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Maybe I'll come up with a better response later... I basically wrote about the complete opposite of what you were asking, AVPlaya. Sorry about that. :rolleyes:
No need to apologize.. this is all about discussing our views... I really enjoyed your take on it. :) You're right that every tsundere is unique and has a different take on same stimulous.. but I guess why we keep watching them shows. :)
As for Kona and Kagami-sama team, I thought maybe the reason why Kagami is so taken by Kona (she's always hanging out with her), WAS the fact that Kona is probably the only person in real life who tease Kagami in this way. As a tsundere she might find this quite to her liking, as she knows dearly that insult is often a form of endearment. She must have felt that Kona only insults her because she's a real friend, just like she often make fun of Tsukasa because she loves her sister dearly. In fact I'm pretty positive - Tsundere really jokingly insult people they love, and they know it. They may act like they're annoyed by it, but I'm sure it's pretty warm and fuzzy deep inside when Kona-chan makes fun of her boring face.
I am eager to see what term emerges to properly describe types such as Kagami in Lucky Star and Naru in Love Hina... and AVPlaya and Vexx's respective wives
Oh I don't mean to brag but describing my wife will bring much hatred from the most of Otaku-dom. Let's start with the Tsun Tsun part: she's not a violent tsundere, but more a serious type like Kagami. She's very serious about the important things in life, like family, trust, love, honor, etc. She can get very passionate about defending the weak, and she always put others in front of herself. As for the dere-dere part, she''ll melt in presence of cute children or animal, she'll play with babies for hours. She's shy and grateful when you do something nice for her, and she has this precious tsundere blush. When she's in a dere mood there's really no one else you want to spend time with.
And the best part? It's when you shower a tsundere with love and she does this little cute display of joy which you know she will never show anyone else. That's like gold to me. Oh, on top of it, she looked like an anime character with jet black, shoulder length hair, and huge expressive eyes. She did her impression of Kona's "Timotei" moment yesterday and oh man, I was so overjoyed I almost cried. And she now says goodbye to me every morning with a "bye-mi". Yeah you can start your hating now. :D
EEEEEeeergh, please don't compare her to Naru, she'll pummel you, she probably fits a 'Motoko' tsundere style better :) (but really Kagami's crunchy outside creamy inside personality is more on target).
I can't believe I just said that.... O.o
I don't think any of us have any problem believing you said that. :D
Of course, when I said "respective" it was respective of you and AVPlaya, not respective of the listed not-tsundere-but-what-are-they character examples. :)
And the best part? It's when you shower a tsundere with love and she does this little cute display of joy which you know she will never show anyone else. That's like gold to me. Oh, on top of it, she looked like an anime character with jet black, shoulder length hair, and huge expressive eyes. She did her impression of Kona's "Timotei" moment yesterday and oh man, I was so overjoyed I almost cried. And she now says goodbye to me every morning with a "bye-mi". Yeah you can start your hating now. :D
I'm simply half-laughing and half-applauding with joy that there is actually someone like that in the world. I never thought I'd hear of it.
Kagami would be devastated if Kona ever actually changed her behavior to counter Kagami's barbs. They're a comedy duo and it would wreck the bond.
Kagami would be devastated if Kona ever actually changed her behavior to counter Kagami's barbs. They're a comedy duo and it would wreck the bond.
Come to think of it...what would happen to Kona if Kagami suddenly breaks off and joins the "popular group"? Tsukasa follows Kagami, and Miyuki basically doesn't hang out with her much to begin with.
Oh I don't mean to brag but describing my wife will bring much hatred from the most of Otaku-dom. Let's start with the Tsun Tsun part: she's not a violent tsundere, but more a serious type like Kagami. She's very serious about the important things in life, like family, trust, love, honor, etc. She can get very passionate about defending the weak, and she always put others in front of herself. As for the dere-dere part, she''ll melt in presence of cute children or animal, she'll play with babies for hours. She's shy and grateful when you do something nice for her, and she has this precious tsundere blush. When she's in a dere mood there's really no one else you want to spend time with.
And the best part? It's when you shower a tsundere with love and she does this little cute display of joy which you know she will never show anyone else. That's like gold to me. Oh, on top of it, she looked like an anime character with jet black, shoulder length hair, and huge expressive eyes. She did her impression of Kona's "Timotei" moment yesterday and oh man, I was so overjoyed I almost cried. And she now says goodbye to me every morning with a "bye-mi". Yeah you can start your hating now. :D
I don't mean to sound nosy, but I love it when people talk about their wives (well, there's only really two of you now). I get massive warm fuzzies. :)
Come to think of it...what would happen to Kona if Kagami suddenly breaks off and joins the "popular group"? Tsukasa follows Kagami, and Miyuki basically doesn't hang out with her much to begin with.
I don't see that ever happening, but if Kagami did leave... I imagine Kona would miss having someone to mess with. I think she'd be OK because she's so used to having no RL friends, but I just can't see how anyone could really stand to lose a friend like Kagami. :)
thanks for the definition :) kagami definitely fits as a tsundere lol
I don't see that ever happening, but if Kagami did leave... I imagine Kona would miss having someone to mess with. I think she'd be OK because she's so used to having no RL friends, but I just can't see how anyone could really stand to lose a friend like Kagami. :)
I think Kona would just shrug and spend more time doing arubaito in the cosplay cafe and spend more time online saving the world with nanako-sensei.
kingsky123
2007-06-25, 21:18
Oh I don't mean to brag but describing my wife will bring much hatred from the most of Otaku-dom. Let's start with the Tsun Tsun part: she's not a violent tsundere, but more a serious type like Kagami. She's very serious about the important things in life, like family, trust, love, honor, etc. She can get very passionate about defending the weak, and she always put others in front of herself. As for the dere-dere part, she''ll melt in presence of cute children or animal, she'll play with babies for hours. She's shy and grateful when you do something nice for her, and she has this precious tsundere blush. When she's in a dere mood there's really no one else you want to spend time with.
And the best part? It's when you shower a tsundere with love and she does this little cute display of joy which you know she will never show anyone else. That's like gold to me. Oh, on top of it, she looked like an anime character with jet black, shoulder length hair, and huge expressive eyes. She did her impression of Kona's "Timotei" moment yesterday and oh man, I was so overjoyed I almost cried. And she now says goodbye to me every morning with a "bye-mi". Yeah you can start your hating now. :D
lol your wife should see this... probably will bring a smile to her face
robertness
2007-06-25, 21:50
The key moment in the quartet's formation has to be Konata and Tsukasa's encounter with the hapless foreigner before the start of the school year. (Which, to digress a moment, always makes me think of some geeky exchange student lying beaten on the pavement and muttering, "Man, I love this country...") It seems to me that Kagami started hanging out with Konata to protect Tsukasa from the strange otaku girl. It's also interesting that Kagami chose to transfer to Nanako's home room to spend more time with Tsukasa and Konata.
Still don't know why the others hang out with Miyuki. Miyuki's rich family probably intimidates guys more than any other factor.
CrowKenobi
2007-06-25, 22:09
(Which, to digress a moment, always makes me think of some geeky exchange student lying beaten on the pavement and muttering, "Man, I love this country...") And of course, the geeky exchange student will say this like Yakov Smirnoff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Smirnoff)... :heh:
:cool:
The key moment in the quartet's formation has to be Konata and Tsukasa's encounter with the hapless foreigner before the start of the school year. (Which, to digress a moment, always makes me think of some geeky exchange student lying beaten on the pavement and muttering, "Man, I love this country...") It seems to me that Kagami started hanging out with Konata to protect Tsukasa from the strange otaku girl. It's also interesting that Kagami chose to transfer to Nanako's home room to spend more time with Tsukasa and Konata.
Still don't know why the others hang out with Miyuki. Miyuki's rich family probably intimidates guys more than any other factor.
According to notes in the first few chapters of the comic, Kagami got to know Konata through Tsukasa (who herself got to know Konata thanks to her... tolerance as a kind person). The girls know Miyuki because she and Kagami are friends, since they're both class representatives in their first year.
One thing that I don't think is made too apparent, but is clear if you pay attention, is that the girls are really just getting to know each other in the early stories. I'm guessing those four are all just types that tend to flock together since they don't naturally mesh with any other particular groups (since Konata's an otaku, Tsukasa's nice-but-slow, Kagami is, uh, herself, and Miyuki is too smart and refined for most people's tastes), or perhaps they just formed a slight bond being the first "group" they encountered in their new school.
I really think that's overthinking things, though. :p
Ascaloth
2007-06-25, 22:54
Tsunderes have the best personality IMHO... They're caring, loyal, self-sufficient, and loving without melodrama. A tsundere as a friend is a friend forever. I love trunderes so much I went out looking for one and married her. Normally guys are scared of tsunderes but they're really too dumb to know what they're missing. They all go for the cute, dumb type they can easily bed. What a shame. :)
I have a tsundere as a younger cousin, and many of my female friends in my schooling days also display the tsundere aesthetic as well. So what I can say about them is....yeah, they're amongst the most fun people to be around, but they're also stressful as hell. I personally haven't got the stamina to be around them 24/7, but they're fine in regulated doses. :heh:
According to notes in the first few chapters of the comic, Kagami got to know Konata through Tsukasa (who herself got to know Konata thanks to her... tolerance as a kind person). The girls know Miyuki because she and Kagami are friends, since they're both class representatives in their first year.
One thing that I don't think is made too apparent, but is clear if you pay attention, is that the girls are really just getting to know each other in the early stories. I'm guessing those four are all just types that tend to flock together since they don't naturally mesh with any other particular groups (since Konata's an otaku, Tsukasa's nice-but-slow, Kagami is, uh, herself, and Miyuki is too smart and refined for most people's tastes), or perhaps they just formed a slight bond being the first "group" they encountered in their new school.
I really think that's overthinking things, though. :p
Personally, I'm questioning Miyuki's presence in the group; she just doesn't give me the feel of being actually "part of the group", and rather just a bit more involved with them than the regular guy in the classroom. Kinda like, to give an example, maybe Tsuruya-san in relation to the SOS-dan; almost part of the group, but not quite, perhaps of her own volition. Tsukasa too seems to be on the fringe; if not for Kagami, I don't think she'll stick around with Kona-chan as long as she has. She's a born follower, after all, and Kona-chan isn't exactly leadership material.
The "real clique", as I see it, is Kona-chan and Kagami-sama. Mostly because Kagami finds Kona so darned interesting, if you get what I mean.
According to notes in the first few chapters of the comic, Kagami got to know Konata through Tsukasa (who herself got to know Konata thanks to her... tolerance as a kind person). The girls know Miyuki because she and Kagami are friends, since they're both class representatives in their first year.
One thing that I don't think is made too apparent, but is clear if you pay attention, is that the girls are really just getting to know each other in the early stories. I'm guessing those four are all just types that tend to flock together since they don't naturally mesh with any other particular groups (since Konata's an otaku, Tsukasa's nice-but-slow, Kagami is, uh, herself, and Miyuki is too smart and refined for most people's tastes), or perhaps they just formed a slight bond being the first "group" they encountered in their new school.
I really think that's overthinking things, though. :p
Aye... this is their first year at high school and they don't know much about each other. At the time of episode 12 anime, they've known each other since April (school year beginning) and now its been about 9 months.
Aye... this is their first year at high school and they don't know much about each other. At the time of episode 12 anime, they've known each other since April (school year beginning) and now its been about 9 months.
Some of Konata's crazier comments really seemed to define the early strips as "getting to know one another" moments, but are placed later in the anime, where they just seem accentuate how weird Konata is.
I'm curious to see if, in doing so, the anime changed the "flow" or dynamics of the character relationships or portrayals, or if the manga just continued in exactly the same manner. Since I don't have the originals or the time to curl up with a kanji dictionary even if I did, I'm waiting on the scanlations to be able to find out.
According to notes in the first few chapters of the comic, Kagami got to know Konata through Tsukasa (who herself got to know Konata thanks to her... tolerance as a kind person). The girls know Miyuki because she and Kagami are friends, since they're both class representatives in their first year.
One thing that I don't think is made too apparent, but is clear if you pay attention, is that the girls are really just getting to know each other in the early stories. I'm guessing those four are all just types that tend to flock together since they don't naturally mesh with any other particular groups (since Konata's an otaku, Tsukasa's nice-but-slow, Kagami is, uh, herself, and Miyuki is too smart and refined for most people's tastes), or perhaps they just formed a slight bond being the first "group" they encountered in their new school.
I really think that's overthinking things, though. :p
well that helps out a lot thanks for the info:)
Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-06-27, 03:34
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-06-27/lucky-star-special-edition
Not too surprised to see this, Lucky Star seems to have captured all of the Otaku's hearts since Haruhi was introduced last year...
outcast_within
2007-06-27, 07:59
will find myself a wife who can do the timotei thing and says bye-mi
Quick Fun Test:
View Katsukabe Kyoei HS from live.com:
http://maps.live.com/?v=2&cid=73F11F10201D3BC!112&encType=1
Can you guys see it? I'll add more points of Lucky Star Interest later. Live.com has much better Japan support than google earth so that's why I was looking for it there. Boy it took me a while... if you know how difficult to find a place in Japan you'll understand...
Note: click on "Arial" to view the actual sat photo of the school and the sports fields where the Sports Festival is held.
EDIT: no wonder they'd show Konata dancing in a rice patty... the school is surrounded by rice patties. It's really on the outskirt of a small-ish city. They have to walk a lot to get to school from clostest JR stations.
Kinny Riddle
2007-06-29, 12:26
According to notes in the first few chapters of the comic, Kagami got to know Konata through Tsukasa (who herself got to know Konata thanks to her... tolerance as a kind person). The girls know Miyuki because she and Kagami are friends, since they're both class representatives in their first year.
One thing that I don't think is made too apparent, but is clear if you pay attention, is that the girls are really just getting to know each other in the early stories. I'm guessing those four are all just types that tend to flock together since they don't naturally mesh with any other particular groups (since Konata's an otaku, Tsukasa's nice-but-slow, Kagami is, uh, herself, and Miyuki is too smart and refined for most people's tastes), or perhaps they just formed a slight bond being the first "group" they encountered in their new school.
I really think that's overthinking things, though. :p
Pretty much what I wanted to say. A chance meeting triggered by beating up a hapless "gaijin" (poor guy, lol) who was only asking Tsukasa-chan for direction was the link Kona-chan needed to begin her friendship with the other three.
Mostly the Hiiragi sisters, as you've said it, Kagami only became acquainted with Miyuki only because they're class reps of their respective classes, and that's reflected in the amount of screen time Miyuki has compared to the other three girls.
Halfway through the anime so far and only three other adult characters (Kona's dad, Nanako-sensei and Yui-nee) have any significant screentime apart from the four main girls. (Kagami-sama's classmates Misao and Ayano only have a few seconds so far. )
Once Yui-nee's little sister Yutaka enrolls in their school along with Miyuki's sister Minami would things become exciting.
Another interesting trivia to talk about: Browsing through Lucky Star's Japanese wikipedia entry reveals that Lucky Star has an insanely high proportion of left-handed characters, while right-handed characters are reduced to a minority. (Kona-chan and her dad are both ambidextrous. )
As a left-hander, sometimes out of boredom, I would always try to seek out fellow lefties, whether in a classroom or a restaurants, usually I would find nothing, chances of seeing so many lefties in the same room are almost nil. So I envy Kona-chan and her group. I have a feeling Yoshimizu Kagami himself is a leftie as well, and is either unconsciously drawing everyone as lefties, or trying to fulfill a wish to live amongst many fellow lefties. :D
Another interesting trivia to talk about: Browsing through Lucky Star's Japanese wikipedia entry reveals that Lucky Star has an insanely high proportion of left-handed characters, while right-handed characters are reduced to a minority. (Kona-chan and her dad are both ambidextrous. )
As a left-hander, sometimes out of boredom, I would always try to seek out fellow lefties, whether in a classroom or a restaurants, usually I would find nothing, chances of seeing so many lefties in the same room are almost nil. So I envy Kona-chan and her group. I have a feeling Yoshimizu Kagami himself is a leftie as well, and is either unconsciously drawing everyone as lefties, or trying to fulfill a wish to live amongst many fellow lefties. :D
Back in the old times in Asia (well...I speak for the Chinese), left-handedness is very much frowned upon, and parents would force their children to adopt the right hand as their dominant hand. My uncle was born a leftie, and my grandmother beat him into using his right hand. He is now practically ambidextrous.
Modern society's not that conservative anymore, thankfully.
macbrown
2007-06-29, 14:24
Back in the old times in Asia (well...I speak for the Chinese), left-handedness is very much frowned upon, and parents would force their children to adopt the right hand as their dominant hand. My uncle was born a leftie, and my grandmother beat him into using his right hand. He is now practically ambidextrous.
Modern society's not that conservative anymore, thankfully.
This reminds me of Elbonia. :heh:
I wonder though,why exactly IS that? What reason did they have for hating on the lefties? :confused:
Yogo_Pogo
2007-06-29, 20:24
I remember someone saying something about evil or satan.
Left handed were cursed/possesed or something.
My mother had to write using her right hande even if she was left-handed.
She was in a school with nuns and such... Because of shoujo-ai stories this seems kind of strange, i hope she didn't have anyone chasing afeter her, hum maybe i think too much...
I think it's not the place to ask this but...
In the translation of the OP of the a.f.k. release there is that Q.E.D. that appears at the end of the cheerleaders segment.
what does Q.E.D. means? I just don't know!
FatPianoBoy
2007-06-29, 20:38
I think it's not the place to ask this but...
In the translation of the OP of the a.f.k. release there is that Q.E.D. that appears at the end of the s segment.
what does Q.E.D. means? I just don't know!
The Japanese word used is 結論, which means 'conclusion,' so I would imagine that's what it means.
relentlessflame
2007-06-29, 20:46
I think it's not the place to ask this but...
In the translation of the OP of the a.f.k. release there is that Q.E.D. that appears at the end of the cheerleaders segment.
what does Q.E.D. means? I just don't know!You know, I hate to admit, I always wondered about that one too, but Wikipedia to the rescue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q.E.D.). Just like the "ketsuron" in the Japanese, it's basically saying the previous sentence was the proof for the one before or the conclusion of the thought.
What I had really wanted to know was why the romaji for what sounded like "kawaii" ended up as "KYA? WA! IIv", but I see now that that's a transcript straight from the lyric sheet too (キャ？ ワ！ イイv). What a strange song! :heh:
robertness
2007-06-29, 21:51
Oh, never mind... I should have looked at the wiki link first.... Slept too long today...
Mods please delete this.
Anonymous Coward
2007-06-29, 22:12
You know, I hate to admit, I always wondered about that one too, but Wikipedia to the rescue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q.E.D.). Just like the "ketsuron" in the Japanese, it's basically saying the previous sentence was the proof for the one before or the conclusion of the thought.
Ahhh thanks! I was also kinda' wondering what Q.E.D. meant, I had just written it off as an Americanism and left it at that.
Very strange for me not to have checked Wikipedia tho (it's usually my first port of call on such matters :eyespin:)
garra113
2007-06-29, 22:20
Wow... I can see this thread become the next Suzumiya Haruhi thread O_O. Well anyway, I am having trouble catching the parodys to this kinda of anime. Does anyone have a link that shows the reference to the anime like the one they made for Hayate no Gotoku? like this link http://whoopdedo.org/moe/anime:hayate_no_gotoku#episode_12
I remember someone saying something about evil or satan.
Left handed were cursed/possesed or something.
My mother had to write using her right hande even if she was left-handed.
She was in a school with nuns and such... Because of shoujo-ai stories this seems kind of strange, i hope she didn't have anyone chasing afeter her, hum maybe i think too much...
I think it's not the place to ask this but...
In the translation of the OP of the a.f.k. release there is that Q.E.D. that appears at the end of the cheerleaders segment.
what does Q.E.D. means? I just don't know!
1) "evil or satan" are european historical reasons that lefties were feared. More practically, since 1/10 people are strong lefties -- most societies feared or shunned them simply because it was unusual. For the Roman Empire, it was impractical since all their military training assumed right-handedness. I haven't found any reason why the asians might freak over it so I suppose its the usual "He's different! Burn him!!" b.s.
2) QED means "quod erat demonstrandum" and is a short hand term used in mathematics, physics, philosophy, and most sciences for that matter to end a proof of something (i.e. "and therefore it is demonstrated")
I suppose you could also say "intuitively obvious to the casual observer".
Konata-chan
2007-06-30, 00:34
I'm back at home (for now) from Anime Expo. The panel was great, despite me having to wait in line for 7 hours for registration and not making it to the good seats for the panel. I expected several people to ask Aya Hirano questions or comment about her role as Konata in Lucky Star. Two people in front of me have asked her to do a Timotei impersonation and a snippet of the DBZ OP. If only I didn't get there so late, I would've asked her how she would go about eating a chocolate coronet.
I'm definitely going to the autograph session tomorrow. Thank goodness I bought a legit copy of the Motteke! Sailor Fuku single.
DJ_RockmanX
2007-06-30, 01:49
I'm back at home (for now) from Anime Expo. The panel was great, despite me having to wait in line for 7 hours for registration and not making it to the good seats for the panel. I expected several people to ask Aya Hirano questions or comment about her role as Konata in Lucky Star. Two people in front of me have asked her to do a Timotei impersonation and a snippet of the DBZ OP. If only I didn't get there so late, I would've asked her how she would go about eating a chocolate coronet.
I'm definitely going to the autograph session tomorrow. Thank goodness I bought a legit copy of the Motteke! Sailor Fuku single.
That panel was teh_awesomeness. So many good "questions" (mostly anyway). :heh:
Shin_Battousai
2007-06-30, 02:00
Someone record what was said at the panel (as a video or a transcription) for those who can't be there for whatever reason (eg. living on the other side of the world...)
Konata-chan
2007-06-30, 02:27
Someone record what was said at the panel (as a video or a transcription) for those who can't be there for whatever reason (eg. living on the other side of the world...)
Not only did my phone decided to die on me at that point, but the higherups said no recording devices allowed, otherwise they'd take it away.
Lemme see if I can try to remember... (and if you guys were there, I was the girl in behind the guy wearing the red shirt and in front of the girl in the Haruhi bunny girl suit in the guitar)
The two references to Lucky Star's Konata. One was about Timotei, the other about DBZ OP. One thing I've noticed is that she seemed to be somewhat embarrassed about us referring to Konata all the time.
Hirano was also asked the following:
(In Japanese) what her ideal 'type' would be. I think it was someone nice and cool
If she had a boyfriend at the moment. Answer: "Kinsoku jikou desu". There are some things that seiyuus are not allowed to reveal.
Something about Drama CD's. She was surprised about us getting drama CD's. (I guess she doesn't know about the power of downloading)
Roles that she would like to play: She wants to play the cold-hearted person, she's playing too many energetic people.
I'm a guy that wants to be a seiyuu, and I was wondering if you can be my friend: We can be friends after doing a co-project together.
I may be a fangirl of Aya Hirano, but sheesh you guys, if I were Hirano-san I'd be a bit creeped out by your comments.
Yuko Goto
How was singing like Mikuru like?: Not that hard, she can't sing well either.
Minori Chihara: Asked about her latest CD's, she mentioned something about her latest album released this month (forgot the name)
Shin_Battousai
2007-06-30, 02:57
Yeah i heard that such devices weren't allowed although it seems like people used them anyway during the S.K.I.N. concert. Hope there'll be vids on AX's backstage website.
Samatarou
2007-06-30, 11:07
I see there's a new Lucky☆Star fansubber, Your-Dad, as of a couple of days ago who's released eps 6-11 pretty much all at once. Does anyone know what their subs are like? I've been looking for an accurate but fairly literal non-H264 subber for this series so I wondered how they scored in that respect.
@Konata-chan: re. Aya's embarrassment over Lucky Star qns, she's probably there at the expense of the Haruhi licensor, so using the time to promote another series (which might end up being licenced by someone else) is probably a bit of a no-no.
§ lefthandedness: this used to be repressed in most cultures not just Japan, e.g. UK & Europe, mainly for the usual "all deviations from the norm are evil and must be suppressed" reasons that most societies have to a greater or lesser extent. some of it is also due to laziness - an unwillingness to make that little extra effort to accommodate left handedness, e.g. I recall a guitar teacher refusig to teach my left-handed brother unless he learned right handed. (That was quite a long time ago now though, I don't think such discrimination would be allowed in the UK any more)
However I think perhaps Japan was still repressing lefthandedness more recently than other countries though, just as sexism and racism have survived longer there (I knew a Japanese girl who emigrated from Japan about 10-15 years ago specifically because she couldn't stand the sexism of her countrymen any more).
Sad to say for my japanese male friends.. but I know far too many japanese women that simply refuse to consider a japanese guy because of the prevailingly sexist attitudes men tend to have. The younger guys seem to be adapting a bit better but the older men... well the ones who realize they're about to get divorced will on rare occasion attend schools to Teach Them How Not to Be An Ass. :)
Japan has a lot of attitudes that I would characterize as "early 60s" ... they're right on the edge of enough women saying "that's enough of this shit". Of course, American attitudes keep seesawing back and forth ... I too often hear the most amazing sexist BS coming out of the mouths of people half my age.
Michael Hopcroft
2007-06-30, 14:47
Anone taking a bet on whether a US license is announced today or tomorrow? ADV is in the middle of its AnimeExpo presentation, and there are many licensors we have yet to hear from. This show NOT getting picked up this weekend would surprise me.
relentlessflame
2007-06-30, 15:05
Anone taking a bet on whether a US license is announced today or tomorrow? ADV is in the middle of its AnimeExpo presentation, and there are many licensors we have yet to hear from. This show NOT getting picked up this weekend would surprise me.If you want my guess, I think Kadokawa USA (who I expect will release it themselves with a partner, ā la Haruhi/The Third/FMP:TSR) will wait a bit longer to announce the U.S. release. Main reason being they wouldn't want to do anything to cut into R2 DVD sales and buzz (LE sell-outs in three days, and all that...), and there are still 11 more Japanese DVDs to go. Plus I think this would be a natural sort of segue from Haruhi's R1 release (despite their being very different shows); sort of counting on the popularity of the one to fuel the other. That being said, I don't see them waiting too long either for those very same reasons; striking while the iron's hot, as it were... So, if I were to place a bet, I'd bet on an announcement in the early Fall with a release to quickly follow. That's just a guess, though, and if anything (from an outside perspective) the market sure seems unpredictable sometimes. Who knows...
Kinny Riddle
2007-07-01, 04:11
I mentioned this in the episode 12 thread, but it got buried amongst other stuff, so I'll raise this issue here.
Once again great work to Stratos and the guys at a.f.k. on the new episode. Though can I make a comment? It's already halfway through the series, but I wonder why your karaoke for the OP Motteike! Sailor Fuku is still only available in romaji. (I'm the sort that tries not to read any romaji when possible while learning, reading and writing Japanese. ) The single's out for sometime already with lyrics attached. Of course I understand if you couldn't be bothered in order to spend more time on translating the main stuff.
I see there's a new Lucky☆Star fansubber, Your-Dad, as of a couple of days ago who's released eps 6-11 pretty much all at once. Does anyone know what their subs are like?If it's the same people as the old your-dad, it's a waste of breath to even mention their existence.
Anone taking a bet on whether a US license is announced today or tomorrow? ADV is in the middle of its AnimeExpo presentation, and there are many licensors we have yet to hear from. This show NOT getting picked up this weekend would surprise me.Neither. It's not going to get picked up at AX. This is just people's fantasies.
It's already halfway through the series, but I wonder why your karaoke for the OP Motteike! Sailor Fuku is still only available in romaji. (I'm the sort that tries not to read any romaji when possible while learning, reading and writing Japanese. ) The single's out for sometime already with lyrics attached. Of course I understand if you couldn't be bothered in order to spend more time on translating the main stuff.
The lack of kanji is probably because it's pointless since those who can actually read it can just google for the lyrics sheet and it takes up space. However I have no idea for the real reason. (To get lyrics, type in the song name + lyrics in kanji to google.)
I see there's a new Lucky☆Star fansubber, Your-Dad, as of a couple of days ago who's released eps 6-11 pretty much all at once. Does anyone know what their subs are like? I've been looking for an accurate but fairly literal non-H264 subber for this series so I wondered how they scored in that respect.
Come now...you can probably feel the low quality just from processing "6 episodes at once" in your mind. Seriously.
Conan-san
2007-07-01, 15:02
I see there's a new Lucky☆Star fansubber, Your-Dad, as of a couple of days ago who's released eps 6-11 pretty much all at once. Does anyone know what their subs are like? I've been looking for an accurate but fairly literal non-H264 subber for this series so I wondered how they scored in that respect. With a name that reminds me of "Your Mom", I don't bet too highly.
Samatarou
2007-07-01, 21:09
Once again great work to Stratos and the guys at a.f.k. on the new episode. Though can I make a comment? It's already halfway through the series, but I wonder why your karaoke for the OP Motteike! Sailor Fuku is still only available in romaji.
JEEB have it in kanji, you could just get the .ass script from their site and overlay it on your existing video (or a raw) if you like. Should be quite easy to chop all but the kanji lines out of the script if that's all you need.
Personally I prefer the op with no karaoke at all, since it's basically a nonsense song I'm not really interested in the lyrics, for me the subs just clutter up the nice OP seq. Given that even Japanese viewers couldn't make the words out properly I'm not sure it's a very useful song to practice your Japanese with either.
Why would any sane company pickup Lucky Star... very, very limited audience. In addition to be overtly otaku, this show is very, very Japanese. There's reference to something Japanese in every sentence. Even among the hardcore Western otaku very few knows that much about the real Japanese pop culture. I really don't see the audience here. I fully expect no R1 release for Lucky Star.
Personally I prefer the op with no karaoke at all, since it's basically a nonsense song I'm not really interested in the lyrics, for me the subs just clutter up the nice OP seq. Given that even Japanese viewers couldn't make the words out properly I'm not sure it's a very useful song to practice your Japanese with either.
Oh there's plenty of excellent meaning in that OP. :) It's not a good practice song though... I think it's great normal OP gets karaoke.. shows the respect the fansubber has for the music. It always bring a smile to my face. One of the main reason I even watch English fansub was for the excellent karaoke.
gomen nei.. double post shita...
relentlessflame
2007-07-01, 22:05
Why would any sane company pickup Lucky Star... very, very limited audience. In addition to be overtly otaku, this show is very, very Japanese. There's reference to something Japanese in every sentence. Even among the hardcore Western otaku very few knows that much about the real Japanese pop culture. I really don't see the audience here. I fully expect no R1 release for Lucky Star.If it weren't for the Kadokawa/Kyoto Animation combination and the prior history of releasing a number of "very Japanese" shows into this market, I might agree with you. As it stands, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Kadokawa sell it here (since they own it anyway, there's no licensing cost). There are a number of shows even more "niche"/limited-in-appeal than this one already being released. Of course, time will tell, though... There's really no way to know, of course.
If it weren't for the Kadokawa/Kyoto Animation combination and the prior history of releasing a number of "very Japanese" shows into this market, I might agree with you. As it stands, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Kadokawa sell it here (since they own it anyway, there's no licensing cost). There are a number of shows even more "niche"/limited-in-appeal than this one already being released. Of course, time will tell, though... There's really no way to know, of course.
Man I wish more so called anime fan start watching real Japanese shows so these references won't be so obscure. Then releases here maybe more likely. Come on anime fans, you're already part of J-culture... it's so strange to know only a specific part of a pop culture so well and be so utterly ignorant about everything else... But I guess that's also true of otakus in Japan. I'm willing to bet that Kahala Tomomi ED song threw them for a loop... its unlikely that many (or ANY) male otaku have heard the song. You can probably kill a J-Otaku by forcing them to sit through a MV for Arashi.
If there's a chance for release, I hope it's a special edition only release with a lot of goodies to reward the hardcore. There are some very knowledgeable, high-quality otaku in the West... they should be awarded for knowing all about Comiket while living in the hostile West.
CrowKenobi
2007-07-01, 22:45
^^I don't know, but I've watched Animaniacs and I still don't get all the references there... but it didn't stop me from watching it... the same with Lucky Star... if I get entertained I don't need to know all the refs, but as I find out more of them, it adds to my enjoyment of the show.
:cool:
Edit: I'm sure that there's more western otaku familiar with Comiket than you realize... (Comic Party anyone?) ;)
Kaioshin Sama
2007-07-02, 05:57
If it weren't for the Kadokawa/Kyoto Animation combination and the prior history of releasing a number of "very Japanese" shows into this market, I might agree with you. As it stands, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Kadokawa sell it here (since they own it anyway, there's no licensing cost). There are a number of shows even more "niche"/limited-in-appeal than this one already being released. Of course, time will tell, though... There's really no way to know, of course.
I'm wondering if going at it from the angle of "From The Creators Of The Runaway Hit Anime Suzumiya Haruhi No Yuutsu Anime, We Bring You..." Would open a market, or if the Haruhi R1 buyers were already a closed sector that had seen the subs, and that type of approach would have no effect on R1 consumers as a whole. :confused:
CrowKenobi
2007-07-02, 11:02
^^How about releasing it on its own merits? I would think that the R1 anime buyer is a lot more intelligent than you give them credit for. :)
:cool:
Kinny Riddle
2007-07-02, 12:54
JEEB have it in kanji, you could just get the .ass script from their site and overlay it on your existing video (or a raw) if you like. Should be quite easy to chop all but the kanji lines out of the script if that's all you need.
Personally I prefer the op with no karaoke at all, since it's basically a nonsense song I'm not really interested in the lyrics, for me the subs just clutter up the nice OP seq. Given that even Japanese viewers couldn't make the words out properly I'm not sure it's a very useful song to practice your Japanese with either.
Point taken. It is indeed a way too nonsensical song for me to learn anything, still I'd like to see what "gibberish" was being uttered by Hirano Aya and the bunch. :D
Not pointing at AVPlaya particularly (actually not at all)... but I don't find it unusual for some people (usually japanese but sometimes not) to just assume the culture is just too opaque for outsiders to ever grasp.
Monty Python is quite dense in terms of culture-specific (and politically specific) memes. Really, in order to truly enjoy the show you have to have several reference books on British culture and politics in the 1970s. Otherwise, you're wasting your time.
See how that sounds? Substitute 'japanese' for British and 'PPD' or 'L*S' for Monty Python and think about it. Personally, I've found I just have to get used to the 'outsider' meme.
1) My goodness, you can use hashi?
2) You speak Japanese very well! (even if I've just totally mangled it)
3) My favorite, if I talk about japanese local politics or recent cultural shifts and I get a completely 'deer in the headlights' look from the person because they just can't process the idea that a 'tall white guy' might know who Abe is or that the changes in the pension plan have caused divorce rates to skyrocket amongst middle-aged japanese.
Ah well... L*S *might* break through as a sort of "Peanuts" meme to the general public video buyer. But mostly likely, it'll be the same crowd that bought into PPD, I.M., AzuDa, and other 'culturally japanese' shows. From a marketing standpoint, I can totally see them trying to tie in with "From the makers of Haruhi..." ... Hell, Disney does that all the time with their products that don't have an automatic "win". I just saw Ratatouille.. a lovely little film from Disney-Pixar, but all the adverts for it feel compelled to say "From the people who brought you...." as if it couldn't stand on its own.
relentlessflame
2007-07-02, 13:44
...I don't find it unusual for some people (usually japanese but sometimes not) to just assume the culture is just too opaque for outsiders to ever grasp. [...]Absolutely right; anime itself is the perfect example of that! There was a time not too long ago when Japanese publishers were astounded that Americans were approaching them offering to pay money to license their "very-Japanese" wares and try to actually sell them in America. Sort of a "why would any American be interested in watching Japanese animation?" deal. How times have changed! Now most of the companies releasing anime here are either owned or partially funded directly by the Japanese conglomorates, and entire productions are green-lit based on U.S. marketability alone. :heh: (For more on this subject, there's a pretty good piece in RightStuf's latest podcast.)
So yeah, I agree with Vexx; the PPD/IM/AzuDaioh crowd + "from the producers of Haruhi and Full Metal Panic!". It won't ever air on TV, so it won't ever sell "bucketloads", but I expect it'd sell quite decently.
Oh I'm not saying non-Japanese can't enjoy L*S.. I think all of you have proven that to be untrue. All I'm saying is that the L*S producer/writers has zero expectation of L*S being understood by a non-Japanese as it was a joke aimed at a niche of a niche, and that you'll enjoy it a lot more if you're an otaku (I believe almost everyone here qualifies) who knows the culture of the real Japan.
Vexx, I don't quite see your substituting of Monty Python (huge Python fan here) is quite comparible. I expect a person who grew up in the US to at least understand the language the Python used and get some of the jokes by default due to cultural similarities. Plus Python even at the time was mostly a senseless slapstick comedy anyone can enjoy. I mean this was the time when Benny Hill was king. However, I would not expect a similar person to know or understand as much about modern Japanese life. The level of ignorance is much, much higher.
As for Japanese expectation for foreign enjoyment of their animation; I must say it's one of the hardest thing for them to fathom. The Japanese don't have a very high opinion of their own popular culture and they do not expect outsiders to like it. It's only in the past 20 some years they've finally come to term that other Asians also enjoy their entertainment and so they're quire comfortable with the concept of, say, Ayumi having a sell-out concert in Shanghai. Given all that, they think even less of their otaku sub-culture which are composed of people they deemed as social outcasts. If you tell an ordinary Japanese now about the state of anime popularity in the US, they will be shocked every single time. I know so since I do this a lot to get the look on their faces. What to shock a Japanese? Show them the English version of "NANA" manga. :)
I still think the Japanese side of anime companies are still struggling with this feeling to really feel comfortable releasing certain animes here. If the non-anime general public are more receptive to modern J-culture, perhaps that will change, but I don't see that from happening anytime soon.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-07-02, 14:56
^^How about releasing it on its own merits? I would think that the R1 anime buyer is a lot more intelligent than you give them credit for. :)
:cool:
It isn't really as much a matter of intelligence as it is of interest. Is Lucky Star on it's own interesting enough for the R1 audience as a whole for them to want to buy it or does it need an extra promotional kick?
WanderingKnight
2007-07-02, 15:06
^^How about releasing it on its own merits? I would think that the R1 anime buyer is a lot more intelligent than you give them credit for.
Umm, you know, I think the regular American anime DVD buyer knows near to nothing about the current airing shows in Japan, and he barely knows anything about its culture. Most people that watched Haruhi don't even know what KyoAni is. Now, the licensing studio could just go and target it at people who already know about the show (the most otakuish part of the fandom), however, I feel L*S is going to have a tremendously high licensing fee due to the popularity it's been having in Japan. Now, with the licensing of Haruhi (which is in general terms a much more appealing series for a western audience), regular non-fansub interested American buyers would have another hook for grabbing a somewhat obscure series in terms of content.
So I think they probably will put a giant "From the creators of Haruhi" band on top of the DVD, if they ever happen to release the title, in order to boost sales. It's not insulting the buyer's intelligence (since there are a lot of people that would buy it even without that little band on top), but there would be a lot more people that would buy it if it was there.
relentlessflame
2007-07-02, 15:45
however, I feel L*S is going to have a tremendously high licensing fee due to the popularity it's been having in Japan.Well, this is part of the thing that makes it all the more likely, IMO. With Kadokawa (the Japanese publishers of Lucky Star/Haruhi/etc.) now operating in the U.S., there really is no licensing fee. They own it, so they can sell it wherever they like, and they just pay the production costs (or pay another studio to do it for them/profit-share with them). That's, I think, what makes it all the more likely they can "chance" on a show like this. Given that Kadokawa already made English-language promo flyers for the show back when it was about to come out, I imagine they're aware of the international interest after Haruhi's success.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-07-02, 16:27
Well, this is part of the thing that makes it all the more likely, IMO. With Kadokawa (the Japanese publishers of Lucky Star/Haruhi/etc.) now operating in the U.S., there really is no licensing fee. They own it, so they can sell it wherever they like, and they just pay the production costs (or pay another studio to do it for them/profit-share with them). That's, I think, what makes it all the more likely they can "chance" on a show like this. Given that Kadokawa already made English-language promo flyers for the show back when it was about to come out, I imagine they're aware of the international interest after Haruhi's success.
That's a fairly good point actually. They've basically got the same deal as Bandai going on and can take risks like when Bandai brought Gundam too the west way back in the day when Gundam was as foreign a concept as Lucky Star is now.
A show dub-less show should not cost too much to re-package and sell. Heck they can even take box art/insert verbatim. After thinking about how crazy it was for Kadokawa to release Haruhi here, they'll probably do a Lucky Star without dub. The otakus here are earning respect... who knows, maybe the next KyoAni series will throw in a bone for the gaijin fansub watchers. :)
Out of curiosity, what other series have been released without a dub? I don't know of any except for Card Captor Sakura, and the reason that was released dub-less is because of Cardcaptors (which was brutally chopped up and released only as a dub), and fans demanded the original series subbed.
Other than that, I can't think of any series that was released without a dub... however, I don't buy a whole lot of DVDs. (BTW, years ago I bought the entire CCS set for $11 a disk... I was very, very pleased. :) )
relentlessflame
2007-07-02, 20:54
Out of curiosity, what other series have been released without a dub? I don't know of any except for Card Captor Sakura, and the reason that was released dub-less is because of Cardcaptors (which was brutally chopped up and released only as a dub), and fans demanded the original series subbed.
Other than that, I can't think of any series that was released without a dub... however, I don't buy a whole lot of DVDs.Dubs are still the standard these days, but you're starting to see some of the more "niche" shows come out without them from groups like Media Blasters, RightStuf, and Bandai Visual. For example, Kashimashi, Wings of Rean, Simoun, Victorian Romance Emma, and Galaxy Angel Rune, among others (those are just off the top of my head).
That being said, I very much doubt a show of this pedigree would be released in North America dubless, for many of the reasons already established. It simply isn't that niche of a show.After thinking about how crazy it was for Kadokawa to release Haruhi here, they'll probably do a Lucky Star without dub.So "crazy" that they'd do it again in a heartbeat. :heh: Those $50-65 Limited Editions are selling very well, by all reports. They ended up soliciting even more of the Character CDs than they had originally lined up, based on strong demand. Lightning may not strike twice, but if anything, Kadokawa would be very encouraged by Haruhi's sales, I think. You sure have some funny ideas about the R1 DVD market. :heh:
You sure have some funny ideas about the R1 DVD market. :heh:
I guess, I don't know much about it really, not normally being in the R1 market. I'm just thinking from the Japanese perspective, knowing the ideas they have in their heads. There's a reason why the major publishers used to license properties to foreign firms instead of setting shop and selling it themselves like they're starting to do now - a lot of Japanese employees in those companies simply don't believe anime will sell in the West, and they want others to take the risk. It seemed that they're coming around now and we may see more IP owners just setup a US branch like Kadokawa. I understand where they're coming from and even with mounting evidence to the contrary I still have to pinch myself sometimes when I see the anime isle at the local mall.
I would certainly buy a R1 L*S release... but I really don't see the point of a dub.
I don't even want to think about a dub... but then I'm already known for my opinion of most dubs and as long as they leave the original audio track as a selection I'm happy.
ZippyDSM
2007-07-02, 22:21
I don't even want to think about a dub... but then I'm already known for my opinion of most dubs and as long as they leave the original audio track as a selection I'm happy.
I am not,so I am paying 50% more for sub par subbing that might have a American tilt to it and 5-7 (out of 11) level of dubbing....
(Ranma1/2 is a 10 or 11 dub,bleach is a 5,FMA is a 6,Naruto is a 4,Inuyasha is a 7 maybe a 8) now adays they market dubs to damn hard at least in the mid early 90s it was either ok or ZOMG bad.
Kira kyo maoh is a 7 or 8 it was dubed in the past 5 or 6 years I think...I just try and not deal with dubs anymore...
Why would any sane company pickup Lucky Star... very, very limited audience. In addition to be overtly otaku, this show is very, very Japanese. There's reference to something Japanese in every sentence. Even among the hardcore Western otaku very few knows that much about the real Japanese pop culture. I really don't see the audience here. I fully expect no R1 release for Lucky Star.
Comic Party, Genshiken and Pani Poni Dash were picked up, and none of them had the marketability of Lucky Star.
See how that sounds? Substitute 'japanese' for British and 'PPD' or 'L*S' for Monty Python and think about it. Personally, I've found I just have to get used to the 'outsider' meme.
1) My goodness, you can use hashi?
2) You speak Japanese very well! (even if I've just totally mangled it)
3) My favorite, if I talk about japanese local politics or recent cultural shifts and I get a completely 'deer in the headlights' look from the person because they just can't process the idea that a 'tall white guy' might know who Abe is or that the changes in the pension plan have caused divorce rates to skyrocket amongst middle-aged japanese.
Heh. The Japanese (and most of the rest of Asia, for that matter) suffer from a lot of cultural chauvinism. The truth is that anyone who's interested in such subjects can readily find out about them.
Oh I'm not saying non-Japanese can't enjoy L*S.. I think all of you have proven that to be untrue. All I'm saying is that the L*S producer/writers has zero expectation of L*S being understood by a non-Japanese as it was a joke aimed at a niche of a niche, and that you'll enjoy it a lot more if you're an otaku (I believe almost everyone here qualifies) who knows the culture of the real Japan.
The truth is that just about no Japanese creators have any idea what foreign markets and tastes are like. Even a short time ago, there wasn't any expectation that any show would succeed overseas, or that foreign fans even existed at all. Currently, all the signs indicate that the Japanese companies still have no clue as to what will sell in the West: often prices for shows are based on their popularity in Japan even though such figures may not have any relevance elsewhere, and Bandai's mangling of the Gundam franchise in the U.S. or Bandai Visual's bizarre pricing schemes. So far, Kadokawa seems to have read the American market the best, so the chances of them doing a good job with the release (it's almost inevitable) are pretty good.
That's a fairly good point actually. They've basically got the same deal as Bandai going on and can take risks like when Bandai brought Gundam too the west way back in the day when Gundam was as foreign a concept as Lucky Star is now.
That may not be the greatest example since Bandai has pretty much flubbed the handling of Gundam.
A show dub-less show should not cost too much to re-package and sell. Heck they can even take box art/insert verbatim. After thinking about how crazy it was for Kadokawa to release Haruhi here, they'll probably do a Lucky Star without dub. The otakus here are earning respect... who knows, maybe the next KyoAni series will throw in a bone for the gaijin fansub watchers.
I don't think so. While Lucky Star has a niche audience, it's well known enough that it probably won't be given a sub-only release. Kadokawa expended a great deal of effort on the release of Haruhi, and I expect that it will perform at least decently. With an interesting marketing campaign and fairly good exposure I don't think that it was a risky move at all.
ZippyDSM
2007-07-02, 23:33
Comic Party, Genshiken and Pani Poni Dash were picked up, and none of them had the marketability of Lucky Star.
Heh. The Japanese (and most of the rest of Asia, for that matter) suffer from a lot of cultural chauvinism. The truth is that anyone who's interested in such subjects can readily find out about them.
The truth is that just about no Japanese creators have any idea what foreign markets and tastes are like. Even a short time ago, there wasn't any expectation that any show would succeed overseas, or that foreign fans even existed at all. Currently, all the signs indicate that the Japanese companies still have no clue as to what will sell in the West: often prices for shows are based on their popularity in Japan even though such figures may not have any relevance elsewhere, and Bandai's mangling of the Gundam franchise in the U.S. or Bandai Visual's bizarre pricing schemes. So far, Kadokawa seems to have read the American market the best, so the chances of them doing a good job with the release (it's almost inevitable) are pretty good.
That may not be the greatest example since Bandai has pretty much flubbed the handling of Gundam.
I don't think so. While Lucky Star has a niche audience, it's well known enough that it probably won't be given a sub-only release. Kadokawa expended a great deal of effort on the release of Haruhi, and I expect that it will perform at least decently. With an interesting marketing campaign and fairly good exposure I don't think that it was a risky move at all.
Not to mention letting hacks like 4kids and Ilumination rape their IPs,its one thing to release it properly after the edits but my god they refuse to sale unedited un dubed and for me thats another strike agisnt the system, add PR/marketisim to the dubing..things get worse ><
before I forget, LS is a fun and silly show,in some ways rings of Azumanga Daioh,all they need to do is not rape the Japanese symbolisms and have ok voice acting,I think the show can be done easily by a normal or better domestic dubber,it will sale on tis own as long as they do not to "localize" it.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-07-03, 00:03
Out of curiosity, what other series have been released without a dub? I don't know of any except for Card Captor Sakura, and the reason that was released dub-less is because of Cardcaptors (which was brutally chopped up and released only as a dub), and fans demanded the original series subbed.
Other than that, I can't think of any series that was released without a dub... however, I don't buy a whole lot of DVDs. (BTW, years ago I bought the entire CCS set for $11 a disk... I was very, very pleased. :) )
My friend has a sub only Tekkaman Blade Boxset, and I have Super Bestial Machine God Dancougar VHS tapes that are sub only (obviously only one audio track was possible). It was more common to see sub only stuff back in the VHS days.
@4Tran:
Coordinator: "Alright ship the Zeta Gundam DVD's"
Next Day
Spokesperson: "Your DVD's have shipped, but I'm afraid there's some bad news, we changed the opening theme, the show is dubtitled and er....some of the discs might be duplicates or may not even work at all, thanks for spending 200 dollars on this boxset that given it's rarity and limited edition nature should have had more effort put into it. Oh and for no real reason we changed the english cast from Mobile Suit Gundam that everybody seemed to like to cold readers, K thanks."
Just hope that ADV Films doesn't pick it up like they did PPD and give Carl Macek the dub direction. Although in all honesty it will probably go to Kadokawa/Bandai if it goes to anyone.
ZippyDSM
2007-07-03, 00:15
My friend has a sub only Tekkaman Blade Boxset, and I have Super Bestial Machine God Dancougar VHS tapes that are sub only (obviously only one audio track was possible). It was more common to see sub only stuff back in the VHS days.
@4Tran:
Coordinator: "Alright ship the Zeta Gundam DVD's"
Next Day
Spokesperson: "Your DVD's have shipped, but I'm afraid there's some bad news, we changed the opening theme, the show is dubtitled and er....some of the discs might be duplicates or may not even work at all, thanks for spending 200 dollars on this boxset that given it's rarity and limited edition nature should have had more effort put into it. Oh and for no real reason we changed the english cast from Mobile Suit Gundam that everybody seemed to like to cold readers, K thanks."
Just hope that ADV Films doesn't pick it up like they did PPD and give Carl Macek the dub direction. Although in all honesty it will probably go to Kadokawa/Bandai if it goes to anyone.
Gotta watch the box sets you get now adays so many china made DVD sets,it seems Tekkaman box set was released by media blasters,I thought the Dub was done a lot like Roin warroris,but I guess it was either to choppy ot lost in time.
Another series I can think of is macross it got a full sub release for that reason,however I can not think of a new series besides CCS that got a full sub only release.
frankly if they do a sub only release and sale it for 6-15 a disc I might start being more interested in what domestic anime is doing.
relentlessflame
2007-07-03, 09:01
frankly if they do a sub only release and sale it for 6-15 a disc I might start being more interested in what domestic anime is doing.This is going further and further off-topic, I guess, but it's probably worth pointing out that what Media Blasters is doing is actually not too far off (see, for example, their release of Kashimashi (http://www.deepdiscount.com/viewproduct.htm?productId=10068236) at online retailers). That being said, I don't think it'll become the norm for most shows, as shows without dubs generally don't sell as well. These boards aren't a very good example, since its focus is fansubs, but in the broader market, a lot of people just don't like reading subtitles. When they do a subbed-only show today, it's basically because they don't think adding a dub will increase the amount of interested people enough to compensate for the added cost. I don't think that'd be the case with Lucky Star.
ZippyDSM
2007-07-03, 09:11
This is going further and further off-topic, I guess, but it's probably worth pointing out that what Media Blasters is doing is actually not too far off (see, for example, their release of Kashimashi (http://www.deepdiscount.com/viewproduct.htm?productId=10068236) at online retailers). That being said, I don't think it'll become the norm for most shows, as shows without dubs generally don't sell as well. These boards aren't a very good example, since its focus is fansubs, but in the broader market, a lot of people just don't like reading subtitles. When they do a subbed-only show today, it's basically because they don't think adding a dub will increase the amount of interested people enough to compensate for the added cost. I don't think that'd be the case with Lucky Star.
Well I for one have lost total interest in 19+ "localized" discs but I am not a normal shepple LOL ,they will make more content watering the content down for the US public not for anime fans, dub ranting aside,LS has its on jenasaqua that will translate pretty good even if the dub has been "localized".
Out of curiosity, what other series have been released without a dub? I don't know of any except for Card Captor Sakura, and the reason that was released dub-less is because of Cardcaptors (which was brutally chopped up and released only as a dub), and fans demanded the original series subbed.
Other than that, I can't think of any series that was released without a dub... however, I don't buy a whole lot of DVDs. (BTW, years ago I bought the entire CCS set for $11 a disk... I was very, very pleased. :) )
Simoun will be released subtitled only. Another Media Blasters title.
from my experiences some dubs are good like the dubs in fruits basket, full metal panic, fumoffu, pretear, and studio ghibli all their subs are good. i tried watching escaflowne dubbed and i switched it off, so annoying.
DragoonKain3
2007-07-03, 16:16
^I actually loved the Escaflowne dub for the same reason why I loved the Gundam Wing dub as they both share A LOT of VAs, but I guess to each their own. On the other hand, I didn't like FMP's dub as much; not because the VAs are bad, but because FMP isn't FMP IMO without Tomokazu Seki's "Mondai nash". ^^;
Of course, nothing still beats Steamboy as my favorite dub so far. Even though the part he plays isn't one of the main characters, Patrick Stewart just freaking rocks. I hope they sign him up for more dubbing in the near future. (Though admittedly, I'm behind in my Miyazaki DVD collection and so haven't heard him in Nausicaa yet) Also doesn't help that the red headed girl's seiyuu was too over the top that I wanted to strangle her, which is kinda odd since she's a good actress otherwise... >_>
Overall I like subs better, but that's only because from what I have seen so far, the average seiyuu has a lot more experience than the average VA. Just looking at the extreme end of the spectrum, compare how long and how many shows the likes of Hocchan, Kawasumi Ayako, Tomakazu Seki, Morikawa Toshiyuki have done to the English VA counterparts of their roles and you'll see what I mean. Heck, even this show's Hirano Aya is still considered a 'newcomer' despite the fact that she was already dubbing 5 years ago.
I however would never buy sub only DVDs. I have maybe seen 95% of shows before they're even licensed, and buying one with no-subs would be just a waste of money for me since once you think about it, its just better quality video with another take on the translations. Not to mention the fact that it doesn't 'share' better; if there's a show I have to show to my friends, it better be in english dub otherwise they wouldn't even touch it. This is especially true when kids of other families come to my house, I'd pop in something like Kaleido Star in my entertainment system and they wouldn't be able to keep up with the subtitles.
But anyone here know how much does dubbing actually costs? I find it hard to believe that having no dubs actually makes a big of a price difference. Just judging from one series I have an eye on (Macross), Animeigo's sub only DVDs are relatively the same price as ADVs.
seki was awesome as sousuke! i don't have only dub anime i have both and i usually use both if i can handle the dub. :p sometimes the dub is terrible and you can't stand hearing it.
Um.... thread topic check, eh?
(steers the out-of-control wagon back towards the oncoming train...)
relentlessflame
2007-07-03, 17:54
Last post on this topic, I swear, but just to answer the question...^But anyone here know how much does dubbing actually costs?The most recent estimate I've read was $10,000 per episode. You do the math.
I however would never buy sub only DVDs. I have maybe seen 95% of shows before they're even licensed, and buying one with no-subs would be just a waste of money for me since once you think about it, its just better quality video with another take on the translations. Not to mention the fact that it doesn't 'share' better; if there's a show I have to show to my friends, it better be in english dub otherwise they wouldn't even touch it. This is especially true when kids of other families come to my house, I'd pop in something like Kaleido Star in my entertainment system and they wouldn't be able to keep up with the subtitles.
But anyone here know how much does dubbing actually costs? I find it hard to believe that having no dubs actually makes a big of a price difference. Just judging from one series I have an eye on (Macross), Animeigo's sub only DVDs are relatively the same price as ADVs.
Dude. That is the sort of reason which will kill fansubs. If you refuse to support originals by buying even sub-only DVDs of anime you love, there is a price to be paid. Of course, everyone tries to free-ride the system. I'm saying that while you seem to have valid reasons and preferences, your sentiment is immoral. It's not just "better quality video with another take on the translations", it's ORIGINAL work licensed by the company that actually produces profit and contributes to the salary of workers involved as well as the revenue of the animation industry both in North American and in Japan.
Dubbing is obviously not that cheap. I'm not sure whether the attempt to set up a union for Voice Actors (which was 2 years ago) has finally succeeded; at that time I heard the rates were very variable. Remember that dubbing is not only pay for the voice-actors but also the renting (possible) of the recording studios, casting director, actual voice-acting director, agent fees and etc etc etc. It all adds up to be a small industry by itself, so yes, it should make a price difference.
DragoonKain3
2007-07-04, 10:57
^
Reading between the lines too much?
f you refuse to support originals by buying even sub-only DVDs of anime you love, there is a price to be paid.
Well, its not MY fault if they didn't put dubs on something they would release in R1. It's their fault for not reading their market right. Customer is always right, no?
Of course, everyone tries to free-ride the system.
I don't know what you're implying, but if you ARE implying I'm trying to get a free-ride, just to let you know while my DVD collection as of now is small, I don't think my expenditures of totalling more than about $2,000 US on DVDs just this year alone (about 6 months or $300+ per month) is me getting a free-ride.
(BTW, anyone know of a reputable store selling a preferably new R1 Nadeshico box set that ships to Canada, feel free to PM. I'm still browsing, and would probably purchase it at the end of the month. I REALLY don't want to purchase it off some random guy at Amazon Marketplace, despite his supposed 'record' which for all I know can be forged)
I'm saying that while you seem to have valid reasons and preferences, your sentiment is immoral.
So me refusing to buy sub-only anime is immoral? Tell that to the majority of R1 anime dvd buyers, who are mostly dub watchers. >_>
It's not just "better quality video with another take on the translations", it's ORIGINAL work licensed by the company that actually produces profit and contributes to the salary of workers involved as well as the revenue of the animation industry both in North American and in Japan.
To tell you the truth, I really could care less if they make a profit or not. I just want a DVD that both is something I can enjoy and something I can share with my family/friends.
And as it is, dubbing is still relatively cheap. Even at $10k per eps, that only means 40-50k per volume. And how many R1 units are sold in US/Canada of a particular volume? I have no idea what the sales numbers are, but if say 10,000 units are sold in both countries, that's only $4-5 of the price of a volume.
But think about it. How much sales would they lose if they didn't have a dub for a non-niche title? 70%? 90%? Whatever it is, I bet it would be a sizeable chunk that the sales generated by putting a dub would far exceed the price of doing the dub. Which in turn would mean that despite it costs less to produce a sub-only, they would have to increase the costs to make up for the loss of sales (makes sense as to why both Macross editions are relatively same price).
Reason why that is true? If licenses can costs up to $80k per episode, why not spend an additonal $10k in order to triple, quadruple or even quintuple the sales if the show is reasonably popular?
As to why Media Blasters is foregoing its dubs on their two shows, I can hazard a guess that its because their license fees are so small that it would be more less risky to forgoe the 10k costs to dub these lesser known shows.
As for Bandai, since they pay no license fees at all, it makes eveb more sense that its more profitable to sell Wings of Rean and Galaxy Angel as they're not really THAT popular even here.
It's a different matter altogether, I think, with Right Stuff's Emma. Since it is set in the UK, they would either have to hire natural British actors or REALLY good VAs that can make a reasonable British accent. It would be a total fail otherwise, since fake accents can make or break a show. In other words, this would be much more expensive to dub than your usual anime if they wanted to do it right.
Now that begs the question, since it costs Kadokawa next to no money to license one of its own shows, would't it better for some of its lesser known shows would be more profitable as no dubs? BUT riding on the coattails of Haruhi (and to a lesser extent, KyoAni) is enough to most probably garner Lucky Star a dub once it gets licensed.
relentlessflame
2007-07-04, 17:33
Breaking my promise already... but I'll be brief.
Even at $10k per eps, that only means 40-50k per volume. And how many R1 units are sold in US/Canada of a particular volume? I have no idea what the sales numbers are, but if say 10,000 units are sold in both countries, that's only $4-5 of the price of a volume.It'd have to be one really popular show for it to sell that many. Except for your major shounen properties that are on TV, I doubt if most shows sell even half that much. Something like ToHeart or Kashimashi might be lucky to sell 1,000-2,000/volume, if that many. And also, keep in mind that on a $30 MSRP DVD, maybe only $10 or $15 of that actually gets back to the production company (if that much); a lot is eaten up by distribution and mark-up.
But think about it. How much sales would they lose if they didn't have a dub for a non-niche title? 70%? 90%? Whatever it is, I bet it would be a sizeable chunk that the sales generated by putting a dub would far exceed the price of doing the dub.The key here would be "non-niche", and that's what this whole discussion is about. On a title like Kashimashi or Simoun, given the cheaper price point, I bet it works out equal; you won't double or triple the sales by adding a dub. (Note: I'm not saying they're bad shows at all!) Shows that have mainstream appeal, though, are always dubbed for that reason. The real point of this conversation thread, I guess, was whether Lucky Star falls under the "niche" or "non-niche" equation. Or, in other words, will the dub pay for itself in extra sales. The answer is... ...well, time will tell. :p
In... response to this post (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=1026168#post1026168)...
[Original Lyrics] (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006030413969)
---- ----
Kagami, Kagami, Miko-chan.
Spank me real good as much as you want.
Whip it and slap it and mark it with your arms.
Just one more of your personality's charms.
~~~~ ~~~~
For the record... the trigger that inspired this was the words "pancakes"; and no... don't ask me how it led to S&M. :p
Cheers.
ano nei... let's not going to this dub vs sub thingie....
Question: why is it that kona is at least 10cm shorter than the rest of the girls, yet in the OP their legs are shown as being approximately the same length? Discuss. :)
Question: why is it that kona is at least 10cm shorter than the rest of the girls, yet in the OP their legs are shown as being approximately the same length? Discuss. :)
lolol, I think most of us have decided to just not think about that... There's also an image floating in the image thread (go fig :) ) that "explains" that part; it's quite humorous.
Can't seem to find it... <_<;
vaizard_ruler
2007-07-04, 22:54
dang it Risaa >.> i wanted to see it
because thats how they roll ... or she could be standing on something,lower camera angle,or something along those lines
Its pretty much unexplainable (I remember the pic she refers to ... it has 4 possible solutions showing the off-camera part --- all zany).
Originally, I thought it was just "realistic style" girls... but now I pretty much tag it as a pretty significant goof up. Wonder if we'll see it changed for the DVDs?
robertness
2007-07-05, 00:17
I hope we don't get that little flub straightened out for the DVD. I think it's a charming little production quirk. Part of the animators using the OP to subliminally tell the audience not to take L*S too seriously because they haven't.
Found the 4 pics.
http://www.raki-suta.com/img/res/446.html
Thanks! I love the Kona Copter. :)
Wouldn't it be funny if, the last Lucky Channel of the last episode of L*S, this was addressed and given an explanation? :p
Yup, my vote would be for the Kona-coputaa. Nothing beats a Doraemon reference.
Maybe that sequence was taken years later, when Kona became world-renounced light novelist and eroge writer, and suddenly grew 10cm.
vaizard_ruler
2007-07-05, 02:04
Found the 4 pics.
http://www.raki-suta.com/img/res/446.html
:heh: sorry, i forgot i had those and seen them XD my memory = FAIL
Ok to quote to a poster on 'You Tube', "Lucky Star is love."
I have agree now. I am now finally a 'Lucky Star' junky.
I guess I had to find my way through it. I rewatched episodes 1-4 again and I kind of felt bogged down. But it was still funny to watch. But I can really see how things picked up after episode 5. Now it just flows like, 1-2-3. I wonder if the change in direction made the difference? I could not help laughing at some of the stuff going on. And I love comedies.
I tell you this is the most "moe" looking group of HS kids I've ever seen. There's almost no way anyone could be convinced that they're all in HS. They remind me of a bunch of middle-schoolers in HS. I love how they just keep plugging the hell out of 'Haruhi'. Considering it's the same studio responsible. 'Konata' is crazy as all hell with her odd sense of mixing fantasy with reality. I guess having an "otaku" for a father is the reason why. But she's got her own agenda. Hell, even her cousin 'Yui' is a mess. But you got to love the teacher who can hang out online and keep watch over students not studying. Gotta love that. But all the characters are interesting. But 'Konata' is that very epitome of "geekdome" where only true geeks can react to a statements that only they know. Like a secret language. And she does this like it's normal. And the only people that don't comment on it are 'Tsukasa' and 'Miyuki'.
In many ways some of the elements of this remind me of 'Azumanga Daioh' a bit. The reason I say that was because someone commented on the similarities of 'Konata' and 'Kagami' vs 'Yui' and 'Konata'. In a way that's similar to 'Yukari' and 'Nyamo' vs 'Yomi to 'Tomo'. But it's got the type of laid back humor like 'Strawberry Marshmallow'. Where it's more about the odd situations and how you find humor there. Like the girls there had their own moments, but couple that with 'Mui's insanity anything could happen. 'Lucy Star' has the balance of both. You get what I mean. I guess it really isn't for everyone.
Well, you know this wil be picked up. If 'Haruhi' did so well for it to be picked up then 'Lucky Star' will be not be far behind.
Yup, my vote would be for the Kona-coputaa. Nothing beats a Doraemon reference.
Maybe that sequence was taken years later, when Kona became world-renounced light novelist and eroge writer, and suddenly grew 10cm.
And then she fits in that uniform? Strange. :p
Michael Hopcroft
2007-07-05, 11:49
Yup, my vote would be for the Kona-coputaa. Nothing beats a Doraemon reference.
Maybe that sequence was taken years later, when Kona became world-renounced light novelist and eroge writer, and suddenly grew 10cm.
You realize what you just said, don't you? That she's going to be the Salman Rushide of Yuri porn?
That is a truly frightening thought, especially given what it would take to actually accomplish the feat of writing something so revolting that even the ero-goru and lolicon artists curse you in their prayers.
vaizard_ruler
2007-07-05, 11:54
Well, you know this wil be picked up. If 'Haruhi' did so well for it to be picked up then 'Lucky Star' will be not be far behind.
well i dont htink that itll be picked up till its over :heh: thank goodness if that happens :heh: but yes welcome to the club
I tell you this is the most "moe" looking group of HS kids I've ever seen. There's almost no way anyone could be convinced that they're all in HS. They remind me of a bunch of middle-schoolers in HS.
Its an art-style (points to Manabi Straight as another example).
You can see similar types of abstractedness in a lot of American comics.
Though they're drawn "cute", they act like high school students. Kona is the only one that could actually pass for a middle-schooler I suppose but as soon as she opens her mouth, that thought vaporizes (as Kagami frequently says, "What are you, Kona? An old man?")
You realize what you just said, don't you? That she's going to be the Salman Rushide of Yuri porn?
That is a truly frightening thought, especially given what it would take to actually accomplish the feat of writing something so revolting that even the ero-goru and lolicon artists curse you in their prayers.
Ah I just got your point... you caught my typo.. it's world-renowned. Hahaha, that's a good one...
BTW, Mr. Rushdie isn't world-renounced... he's just muslim world-renounced. I would say most of the countries in the world have zero desire to behead him. :)
Oh and for the discussion on the moe-ness of LS girls... Have you seen a a bunch of real-life Japanese girls? There are not only girls as small as Kona but even cuter. "Nice" girls like Miyuki are plentiful. Every class has a boke like Tsukasa. Tsunderes like Kagami... well, real Tsunderes are hard to find because they tend to fake cuteness/niceness due to societal pressure, but once you get to know them personally, they go Akira-sama on your ass and give you their "true face". Yeah they can all look damn cute while at it. I'd say these four girls are rather typical. Okay except the Kona being a male otaku part. That's pretty darn rare.
I used to know a girl called NyaNya-chan... she's 145cm and the cutest person you'll ever seen. Has this supremely moe NATURAL high pitch voice too... Always simling and acting cute... and she looked that way when she was 17. And 27. Yeah these girls not only exist but they are DAMN POPULAR. Ever big guy I know wanted to date NyaNya-chan. As gaijins, you can only see them on anime. In Japan and other Asian countries, boy they do exist. Fortunately I like tall tsunderes. :)
Ascaloth
2007-07-05, 20:50
Ah I just got your point... you caught my typo.. it's world-renowned. Hahaha, that's a good one...
BTW, Mr. Rushdie isn't world-renounced... he's just muslim world-renounced. I would say most of the countries in the world have zero desire to behead him. :)
Oh and for the discussion on the moe-ness of LS girls... Have you seen a a bunch of real-life Japanese girls? There are not only girls as small as Kona but even cuter. "Nice" girls like Miyuki are plentiful. Every class has a boke like Tsukasa. Tsunderes like Kagami... well, real Tsunderes are hard to find because they tend to fake cuteness/niceness due to societal pressure, but once you get to know them personally, they go Akira-sama on your ass and give you their "true face". Yeah they can all look damn cute while at it. I'd say these four girls are rather typical. Okay except the Kona being a male otaku part. That's pretty darn rare.
I used to know a girl called NyaNya-chan... she's 145cm and the cutest person you'll ever seen. Has this supremely moe NATURAL high pitch voice too... Always simling and acting cute... and she looked that way when she was 17. And 27. Yeah these girls not only exist but they are DAMN POPULAR. Ever big guy I know wanted to date NyaNya-chan. As gaijins, you can only see them on anime. In Japan and other Asian countries, boy they do exist. Fortunately I like tall tsunderes. :)
QFT. And it's not just Japan; you get these sorts in the Chinese race too, they being cousins of the Japanese race and all. I also knew this girl who fits NyaNya-chan's description in every way, and that was when we were 17 and in the same school. I just recently met her again last year, and she's still the same. At 20 freakin' years old. And it sure doesn't look like she'll change much anytime soon.
Therefore, the gaijins are mistaken when they think of the Japanese as lolipedos; they don't realise that what looks like jailbait to them is the standard in Japan. Of course, Vexx-jiji is one of the obvious exceptions around here, but we all know his tastes mirror a certain oji-san in the Lucky Star cast. :p
shinku no kage
2007-07-05, 21:26
Ok to quote to a poster on 'You Tube', "Lucky Star is love."
I have agree now. I am now finally a 'Lucky Star' junky.
I think that all of us here will agree to that. :D
...just NOW!? :uhoh:
I tell you this is the most "moe" looking group of HS kids I've ever seen. There's almost no way anyone could be convinced that they're all in HS.
True. Thats probably why I'm completely obsessed with L*S. I havent been this obsessed with an anime since...well, EVER!!:heh:
Well, you know this wil be picked up. If 'Haruhi' did so well for it to be picked up then 'Lucky Star' will be not be far behind.
Damn straight!! And if it doesnt...KyoAni is gonna hear from me and the thousands and millions of L*S fans of the world. LOL:heh:
Samatarou
2007-07-06, 23:00
Question: why is it that kona is at least 10cm shorter than the rest of the girls, yet in the OP their legs are shown as being approximately the same length? Discuss. :)
It's the wonders of modern technology:
http://www.infinity.myzen.co.uk/anime/luckystar-rocketpack.jpg
Cyber_chaotic
2007-07-07, 02:58
It's the wonders of modern technology:
http://www.infinity.myzen.co.uk/anime/luckystar-rocketpack.jpg
Hahaha
Only if that were true.....:p.....but then again, she'd be frying her shoes at every OP.
It's the wonders of modern technology:
http://www.infinity.myzen.co.uk/anime/luckystar-rocketpack.jpg
Well, the air pressure from the jet would surely blow their skirt-up everywhere they go... so... not that would be a bad thing or anything...
But as we know from the OP, they all wore Magic Sailor Skirts which will never show their panties no matter how hard they jump, thus I suppose the rocket theory has merit. But hell, Rocket's no fun. It's gotta be a take-coputaa* on her head.
*the little spinning propeller made of bamboo which can be put on children's head to make them fly without somehow breaking their necks. Take=bamboo, coputaa as in Helicopter. It's the flying instrument of choice for Doraemon and the gang when they're exploring alien worlds or the age of dinosaurs. Here's the real deal:
http://www.manganews.net/eclipse_images/Articles/Fujiko_Fujio/doraemon2.jpg
gosh, seeing Doraemon again is making me almost teary... the first manga I collected... the first anime I watched... first anime movie I ever went to... first manga character I learned to draw... sigh...
Kaioshin Sama
2007-07-10, 21:27
Awhile back there was talk about the differences between Western Brand Ramen and traditional Ramen, so I thought I would briefly show the differences with some pictures.
This would be considered Western Brand:
Mr. Noodles Is a common brand of Instant Noodle "Ramen" you can find in Canada. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Noodles)
and comes packaged in either the plastic wrap you see here with a block of dry noodles inside and a small packet of dryed vegetables consisting generally of corn and challotes. There isn't any sort of flavour packet and it mostly consists of empty calories.
These Would Be Considered Traditional Eastern Snacks:
I was at the Doremi Store in the city I lived today and thought I ought to pick up some Ramen and snacks for myself and for this very reason. I took a picture as a sample.
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/541/img1440qx3.th.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1440qx3.jpg)
Bottom Left we have of course Honey & Milk flavoured Pocky. Pocky as we know is one of Kagami's favourite snack foods. I'm sure most are aware of what it looks like without me having to open the box, but I will upon request. To the right is just some chewing gum I picked up called Hi Chew! which is basically a grape flavoured piece of gum that is a lot like Taffy. Up top is Nong Shim Korean Kimchi soup. The bottom ones are plain Kimchi, the top ones that are pinkish are shrimp flavoured and the one to the left is Udon Flavour. What you get in those are a block of noodles, a packet of extra vegetables to add to the variety of the ones already in place, and the quality and variety of the vegetables are much greater than the Mr. Noodles brand (if it's a specialized flavour, the normal ones don't have any vegetables outside of the packet if I recall) and the kicker is a flavour packet that adds a delicious (my words) spicy flavour to the soup that you don't get with western brands period. The English and French writing are only on there since it's required by law in Canada to honor the two official languages.
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6319/img1441wm4.th.jpg ([URL=http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1441wm4.jpg)]
Here's the reverse side of the Pockey with the added label that makes it legal to sell in Canada. The back of the Hi Chew! is just a boring inredients list in Japanese.
So hopefully this has given people a bit of a better understanding of two of the major brands of food favoured by Konata and Kagami and why they are different from what we have here. They aren't too hard to find here in Canada, but I don't know about elsewhere. If anyone is interested I suggest trying to find a store that sells Asian foods in your city and you should find these types of food in sold within.
gosh, seeing Doraemon again is making me almost teary... the first manga I collected... the first anime I watched... first anime movie I ever went to... first manga character I learned to draw... sigh...
Maybe I'm just not old enough, because that is also true for me, but all I did was cheer really hard when I heard it. I never thought I'd hear Doraemon no Uta ever again.
How many gadgets can I remember...(literal translation from Chinese) the Bamboo Copter, the Everywhere Door, the Everywhere Hoop, the Time Machine inside Nobita's desk, that stilt that looks like a real horse, the Memorization Bread, the Flavor-Sharing Chewing Gum, the Answer Glasses and Answer Pencil, the Expanding and Shrinking Flashlights, Expanding and Shrinking Tunnel, Environment Adaptation Flashlight, the Air Cannon, Air Pistol...
...
*tear*
Just finished watching episode 11 last night. Talk about funny. Of course episode was funny as well. Ah yes that whole thing on "tsundere". Is it really being used properly? Hell it had me thinking. Is 'Kogami' a "tsundere" type? Even 'Konata' was relating her to one. Does that mean most "tsundere" types have to have long hair? I guess if it's short and boyish it doesn't count. As having short hair puts you as close to being "boyish" and hotheaded as it gets. The creators were having fun with this one. According to 'Shiraishi' she's not one by his definition. If she was then I guess she would be close to 'Shana'. But if anything she's closer to 'Yomi' from 'Azumanga Daioh'. Their personalities are similar in the fact that they get easily annoyed when someone agitates them. Not to mention when it's about dieting. But are kind and social practically most of the time. Definitely not like 'Haruhi'. Who's agitated all the time unless something works in her favor. Which is also 'Langley Shouryu Asuka'.
And why do I have this bad feeling that 'Akira' was scratching where the sun don't shine? Talk about "ballbuster". You have to laugh when she starts her rants. She'd make a cool shirt. But if she says that 'Kogami' is "tsundere" does that make 'Akira' a "yandere"? Nah she's just mean no matter how you look at it.
Slight correction: it's Kagami (かがみ） 。。。 not Kogami （こがみ）. :)
Most tsundere's do tend to have long hair though its not automatic. I suppose its in the nature of contrasts that a tsundere is supposed to represent. The debate between a "time linear" tsundere versus a "crunchy outside creamy inside" tsundere will probably be eternal :)
That wasn't a bad feeling about Akira.... she *was*. She's just insane in a "needs meds" way :)
A "tsundere" is a girl who is like a creme-filled pastry bun. May be a little burnt or hard on the outside, but has a soft creme-filling. :) Tsunderes can have very different personalities though...
Edit: Nvm :heh: A better answer snuck in before mine.
Hahaha!! That's an interesting contrast "time-linear" vs "crunchy" on the outside and "creamy-filled" on the inside. Well, I guess I have yet to see a short haired one. And again the arguments will be eternal.
Oh I did say, 'Kogami'. At first I did accidently put 'Konata' instead by mistake when I meant to put 'Kogami'. So I went back and fixed it. So no errors on my part. That's why you proof-read. Also easy to mess up when you put those two names together.
:)
@Risaa: I've done that to you too many times :) ... I'll put a timer delay by my workstation. :P
Of course, there's several people who always beat me to the post as well, forcing me to re-edit a lot.
FatPianoBoy
2007-07-13, 14:09
A Japanese friend of mine defines 'tsundere' as thus: 前はつんつん、後はてれてれ。 Before is brash, after is loving. I'm with Minoru on this one: 'tsundere' denotes a progression.
Ah but with the crunchy/creamy types, you get to ride the roller coaster over and over :)
Anyway... I'm kind of with Minoru in that there probably should be a specific term for this. I just don't care enough to come up with one.....
The word for crunch (vb.) is kamikudaku and the word for creamy (n.) is "kurimu no yo" ... no luck there.
Bristly.... the word "sawayaka" is possible (sharp and stimulating)
Yama'arashi is what I find for porcupine but that doesn't really cover it....
Probably have better luck picking a candybar brandname in Japan that is crunchy on the outside and creamy on the inside.
My wife says it makes this description makes her sound like a bug that Timon (Lion King meerkat) is about to eat. :heh:
I like the word Tsundere as it refer to serious gal with soft heart. I hear Minoru's definition but I thought it's a much better description of a state instead of a progression. After all, a Megane'kko denote a certain aspect's that's currently imbued with the character, not a progression of traits.
I do know the *original* meaning was tagged on girls in ero-games who linearly progressed from tsun to dere. But that also begs the timeline problem.
To me, that's a limitation or shallow effect of the simple nature of ero-games. "real" personalities (or at least ones portrayed in anime) tend to be more complex with lots of cycling in and out of tsun and dere.
Heck, in Love Hina .... both Naru and Motoko routinely move from tsun to dere to tsun rinse/repeat multiple times even after they've been "won over" as it were.
teachopvutru
2007-07-13, 16:46
Anyone cares to explain what "time linear" tsundere suppose to be?
All these talks about "creamy-filled and crunchy-crust" nearly make it sound like tsundere is edible @_@
Tsundere pastry bun Kagami flavor...
Briefly.... in erogames, initially the girl is violent and hates you (or something like that). In a series of choices, you wear away at that violent exterior until the demure "loving" side is exposed and you win the girl. So on Day 1, she smacks you in the knees.... and on Day X, she's feeding you by chopstick and cooing...... her violent nature just fades away (forever it seems).
wheee, game over.
"time linear" means it just progresses sequentially with no loopback or relationship cycles. Kind of like playing an RPG that's designed linearly so that once you leave a level there's never any point or opportunity to coming back and the monsters never repopulate or change tactics (or come after you for revenge).
teachopvutru
2007-07-13, 18:49
So you mean a "time linear" tsundere is hard as first but later forever soft? As for the other kind of tsundere the girl has always been crunchy outside and creamy *drool* ... inside?
So you mean a "time linear" tsundere is hard as first but later forever soft? As for the other kind of tsundere the girl has always been crunchy outside and creamy *drool* ... inside?
"Time linear" is like Dia from Harvest Moon: Save The Homeland (here I go with HM again... so nerdy). She's a real bitch when you first meet her, but over time, after you give her enough blueberries (I think it's blueberries she likes..), she becomes a very sweet and loving girl. She actually smiles at you! :)
...Until you start the next year. Then she forgets about you, and you start all over trying to win her sweet side again. Ah, such is life on a farm where sprites run amuck.
The reason I related "tsundere girl" to a pastry bun is that the girls themselves are like the pastries - their personality on the outside is hard, sometimes mean. But once you get to know them, you understand that they have a soft side (sweet gooey creme!), too. Most of the time the girls will put up their hard side, but sometimes they switch to their soft side... then they go to their hard side again (like whenever Kona teases Kagami, Kagami gets really sensitive and embarrassed. But she always returns to her regular hard-personality Kagami).
teachopvutru
2007-07-13, 19:11
Sorry, haven't played Harvest Moon: Save The Homeland before :heh:
Anyway, I think I kinda understand now... Well, yeah, I knew what you meant by "crunchy-outside creamy-inside pastry bun" (can't stop saying it >_<) but I really liked the reference. Normally I can't quite put what tsundere means into words (granted I was never good at expressing what I think into words anyway) :heh:
Mirrinus
2007-07-13, 19:27
I tend to dislike the rough, dry exterior of a pastry bun...it's just too dry for my tastes, it makes eating such a chore. But indeed, the sweet gooey filling on the inside makes it all worth it. What does this have to do with anything? Um...
So...no one is using the term "hajinekko"? What a pity...
Alright let's talk about more MY favorite topic - Kagami as a Tsundere. :)
Actually I just want to point out something that occurred while I was watching Fumoff OP... Why does Kagami love this anime so much? Although it was based on a light novel, it was clearly aimed at male audience, and after the anime, otakus. I have a theory:
1. It's because Kagami identifies with Chidori's ultra-violent Tsundere-hood. Kagami can only dream that she gets to whack Kona on the head with a harisen every time she starts to talk about otaku-gibberish.
2. Maybe, that a quite, strong type like Sousuke IS HER TYPE????
From the L*S we can tell that she's a really HUGE FuruPani fan. She not only saw the anime (she knows Fumoffu OP), and she has an ENOURMOUS Bunta-kun at her bed; if you notice carefully that's her ONLY STUFFED ANIMAL (A normal Japanese teen's bed is like Tsukasa's, filled with various nuigurumis). Not to mention that the ONLY doujinshi that turns her head was an yaoi doujin with Sousuke on the cover (we can probably safely assume that the first pronographic image she's ever saw was Sousuke bending over). I would venture a guess that deep in her Dere Dere teenage heart, she longs for a man like Sousuke to lift her out of her normal, boring life of screaming at Kona every second. Oh where is that man who would blow up watermelon with gun on beach day - just for her?
Hey! A strong, quiet type... not likely to stand out.... has short hair... not overtly tall, but has a manly square face with prominent eyebrows... knows martial arts, probably KARATE... Dedicated himself to the service of an ultra violent female (and seemingly enjoying it)... OH MY GOSH, this can only mean that...
... Kagami has the hots for Shiraishi!!!
He's the REAL reason she's in Kona's classroom all the time!!!
*I kid I kid... you can stop throwing rocks now... Itai!*
I think my theory is more interesting than Kona X Kagami... okay, not really. Everyone's waiting for the next Comiket to turn out say, oh, 10,000 L*S Yuri doujins. And the world will be a better place.
Now for something Completely Different.
On the sports side of the news, the 89th Summer Koshien has officially begun! But as fate would have it a huge typhoon just landed on Japan so almost every game's canceled. Our Katsukabe Kyoei High School baseball team has not played yet. Once they win their first game I'll start a tread to track it (I would feel pretty dumb if I start a tread and they lost their first game :heh: ).
yeah, I've been following the typhoon's track with some trepidation since its passing over a lot of cultural landmarks. One of the nastier hurricanes in terms of potential energy.
I suspected a secret connection between Kagami and Shiriashi since the first few episodes. (dies laughing)
wormspeaker
2007-07-15, 08:12
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Yes you do.
The only good thing about the new endings is that it keeps me from buying another cd.
The only good thing about the new endings is that it keeps me from buying another cd.
Yeah I'll have to agree...:)
Yogo_Pogo
2007-07-16, 08:39
I suspected a secret connection between Kagami and Shiriashi since the first few episodes. (dies laughing)
Please elaborate i want to know about your theory
...hum.. wait.. Are you serious about this? Did i fell in some kind of trap?
i want to thank people who answered my question about QED
in french i think it's something like this --> CQFD: Ce qu'il fallait démontrer
Thank AVPlaya for giving such an in depth look on the concept of "tsundere". Of course then people like 'Kagami' can be every where. Only we didn't come up with this "otaku-difficult-gotta-know-what-your-talking-about" term. We just call them the ones that just have a bitchy side off and on but they really are nice once you get to know them. Now what would we call a 'Sakaki' type. Since 'Konata's little cousin met one. Oh though she doesn't know her name. Quiet doesn't smile often but you somehow feel drawn to them because they made your life a little better.
I'll stick with 'Yui' at least she's nowhere near complex or is she? And what's up with that chair she was on? She was sitting like a dog. And funny thing is I ran across a fanpiece depicting that very shot. Of course when you're hanging out on Japanese fansites you can only think that something dirty is going to pop up. Of course I find out it was in the actual episode. Again all the more reason they can make more out of than it is. After all you'd feel pretty in your own world if you had a chair that you could do that on. I worry about her.
I'll stick with 'Yui' at least she's nowhere near complex or is she? And what's up with that chair she was on? She was sitting like a dog. And funny thing is I ran across a fanpiece depicting that very shot. Of course when you're hanging out on Japanese fansites you can only think that something dirty is going to pop up. Of course I find out it was in the actual episode. Again all the more reason they can make more out of than it is. After all you'd feel pretty in your own world if you had a chair that you could do that on. I worry about her.
Don't worry about her, she's quite normal. I already explained what that was here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1042396&postcount=96). Plus, it's in Konata's house. Why a middle age men and his very thin teen daughter has a Joba in their house, that I'm not sure of.
Don't worry about her, she's quite normal. I already explained what that was here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1042396&postcount=96). Plus, it's in Konata's house. Why a middle age men and his very thin teen daughter has a Joba in their house, that I'm not sure of.
Hahaha!!
So that's what it is. I never seen anything like it. Man talk about references like hell. I guess if you're Japanese and familiar with as much of the culture you'll get all these inside jokes. Man 'AVPlaya' you sure know a lot of stuff. Don't tell me you're living in Japan?
Well, I'll say I am enjoying the show. In fact I'm enjoying it more since the direction took on a different turn. Now it just "bangs" out the jokes. Either I'll get them or I won't. But it will still be funny as all hell. But more than likely the show will take much viewing.
Now they mention this is the next part of the season. Is this the 2nd season portion after 13 or are they planning on doing more after this?
I guess if you're Japanese and familiar with as much of the culture you'll get all these inside jokes. Man 'AVPlaya' you sure know a lot of stuff. Don't tell me you're living in Japan?
No I'm not Japanese, but there was a time when I thought I was. :) My background is very unique... I grew-up on an island where there are a lot of Japanese visiting and living (can't go into detail because it is very small). My family is Chinese but my sister, well, my sister believe she's Japanese. She speak it fluently and worked as a tour guide in HS. Almost all her friends were Japanese. We were close so my friends became mostly Japanese. I also spend some time in Japan on vacation, at times pretending to be a student in their schools. I used to speak it well but after I moved to the States I've lost a lot of it... so I'm not as fluent as I used to be, but I am still very deep in the culture. I think I've said this before, but my sister looked and acted so Japanese, that she was discovered and went to Tokyo to train for idol-hood for a while (yes my sister was very "moe"). She got scared and returned soon with a lot of horror stories about Johnny's. It's not a place for kids to be. :) Just think of the idol I might get to know if she became one... hell maybe I'd even get to ask KyonKyon out.... NOT. :)
Now they mention this is the next part of the season. Is this the 2nd season portion after 13 or are they planning on doing more after this?
No one really knows since we're in the middle of the 1st season, but based from the incredible Akiba popularity and CD sales, I'd say, yeah. Vexx-dono (who has read the manga) said there a lot more stories, plus plot don't really matter in L*S. They can keep doing this year after year like Keroro if they wanted to.
crazyhorse
2007-07-16, 14:08
Ah I saw those horse back riding thingys before at the mall. They're pretty fun to ride. The store had two examples out and my sister and I pretended that we were racing each other. There were a lot of different options too, there was this one that imitated a horse jumping and stuff...fun :p
Of course, since they were examples and in the front of the store, a lot of people passing by gave us looks :heh:
Ah I saw those horse back riding thingys before at the mall. They're pretty fun to ride. The store had two examples out and my sister and I pretended that we were racing each other. There were a lot of different options too, there was this one that imitated a horse jumping and stuff...fun :p
Of course, since they were examples and in the front of the store, a lot of people passing by gave us looks :heh:
What in the states? Oh you guys were at an Asian mall, right? :)
Kaoru Chujo
2007-07-16, 14:49
I haven't been checking out this fascinating Generic thread until now. Great stuff. I just wanted to add something to AVPlaya's original baseball post (looking forward to more when they play their first match).
Not sure if this has been posted before (I searched but might not have found), but I found a photo of Kyoei's cheerleaders in the "dance" section (http://www.k-kyoei.ed.jp/hs/club/dance.php) of the school's club activities. Not much like the outfits in the show, but they do use gold pompoms.
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4861/dance02ih2.jpg
crazyhorse
2007-07-16, 15:12
What in the states? Oh you guys were at an Asian mall, right? :)
Lol, actually it was in an American mall. It's called Sunvalley Mall. The store was those types of stores that sell lots of different gagets to make life "easier". They sell things like massaging chairs and things like magnetic grilling tools...
Although it was the same type of horseback riding chair thingy, I think it was a different brand.
I haven't been checking out this fascinating Generic thread until now. Great stuff. I just wanted to add something to AVPlaya's original baseball post (looking forward to more when they play their first match).
Not sure if this has been posted before (I searched but might not have found), but I found a photo of Kyoei's cheerleaders in the "dance" section (http://www.k-kyoei.ed.jp/hs/club/dance.php) of the school's club activities. Not much like the outfits in the show, but they do use gold pompoms.
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4861/dance02ih2.jpg
NOW HOW THE HELL DID I MISS THIS PAGE? I practically went through their entire site! I was going wild trying to find their female cheerleader photo. Thanks for the find! I knew they would have a big cheer dance squad due to their baseball prowess, but now it's official! Yay!
The uniform... a bit different, much more conservative (but they are a very conservative school)? They did enter in the Kantou regional dance competition, but according to this (http://www.fjca.jp/taikai/index.php) page I don't think they've placed this year or last year. Man, cheer dancing really took off in Japan after that team won the world's for Japan; there's even a dorama about it.
Xiaolang
2007-07-16, 19:29
I don't know if I'm part of the majority or the minority, and frankly, I don't care for that sort of association, but I always LOVE the weird type of ending sequences that certain animation studios do.
I find myself laughing at the Minoru ending sequences. I know that the sequence is dumb, and maybe unnecessary, but it's entertaining nonetheless. Although Lucky Star never had a "proper" ending theme song, it's all good anyway.
I am glad though that it's a different song every week, or else the novelty would wear off quickly for me, and maybe more sooner for others.
Even if somehow Lantis makes "The Best of Minoru Shiraishi, featuring the Wa Wa Wa" (or something like that), that doesn't mean I'll automatically buy it, since I know that the novelty will wear off, and I'll spend that money on something more important, like food and shelter.
I digress. Although I'm fine with whatever KyoAni decides to do with the ending sequence, I do like to see more Minoru craziness. :D
Fat Cat Lim
2007-07-16, 21:41
I read from somewhere that the results on the Lucky radio channel is that the term 'Gami'-dere was chosen by the fans to replace the Tsundere term. Is this true?
Ascaloth
2007-07-16, 22:18
@AVPlaya,
May I ask for your sister's contacts? :D
Nah, kidding, kidding. :p
No idea.. but what the hell would "gami-" translate as? No variation is showing up other than "stingy" or "patient"
Is it a riff as originated from Kagami--> -gami ---> gamidere? O.o
Is it a riff as originated from Kagami--> -gami ---> gamidere? O.o
That's my guess. But... why do fans want to replace "tsundere" in the first place? Does this have to do with the two different types of tsundere we discussed earlier? :confused:
Some people seem stuck on the "time axis dependent" tsundere as being the true meaning of the word (as opposed to the "timeless" form of tsundere).
... if that had been explicitly part of the original usage (rather than just an artifact of simplistic erogames), I'd probably be more sympathetic :)
I really don't care. I hold a loose definition for Tsundere: a character that displays either very hard and very soft personality traits, never both at the same time, and while on one side of that dichotomy would deny the other side's existence.
robertness
2007-07-16, 23:50
For a slight moment I thought "gamidere" might be a phonetic shift of "kami" (god), but the shift from ka to ga would only occur if kami were the ending bit in a compound word and the proceeding bits ended in certain sounds. (Don't know enough Japanese to make a list of those sounds.)
I'm pretty sure "gamidere" is derived from Kagami's name. This whole new tsundere poll feels too much like a Kadokawa marketing ploy with Kagami's name being built right into the word created to describe her type. I'd be interested to see some of the other options that were included in the poll.
May I ask for your sister's contacts?
WAHAHA... if you know she's now mother of 2 I'm not sure you'd ask.. but she might be quite glad to give it to ya! :) :) :)
As for the "gami-dere", I thought it came from Kagami as well... what else could it have meant? And where was this info from? Pole from Computiq? 2ch? Online votes?
Panzer Bandit
2007-07-17, 00:13
I suspected a secret connection between Kagami and Shiriashi since the first few episodes. (dies laughing)
You know, to be quite honest, I had a similar theory pop in my head once I saw...
...Shiraishi calling Kagami without the honorific when she dropped her handkerchief in the classroom (yobisute, correct?). That had me drawing a connection with Shiraishi giving his fiery speech against hastily labeling Kagami as a "tsundere" character.
Unfortunately, that theory crashed and burned after Shiraishi gave chocolates to...wait, who was that, anyway?
You know, to be quite honest, I had a similar theory pop in my head once I saw...
...Shiraishi calling Kagami without the honorific when she dropped her handkerchief in the classroom (yobisute, correct?). That had me drawing a connection with Shiraishi giving his fiery speech against hastily labeling Kagami as a "tsundere" character.
Unfortunately, that theory crashed and burned after Shiraishi gave chocolates to...wait, who was that, anyway?
Hou!!! good point! Shiraishi DID act rather definately that time didn't he? That's about the ONLY time he stood up to Akira-sama, come to think of it... other times he's a complete wuss. Oh the power of Labu Labu!
When did Shiraishi gave out choco again? In EP13 13:27 there's a dude giving another dude chocho... was that him? Is he... BL-fan?
Ascaloth
2007-07-17, 00:28
WAHAHA... if you know she's now mother of 2 I'm not sure you'd ask.. but she might be quite glad to give it to ya! :) :) :)
.....I just got counter-pWn3d. :heh:
...although, what exactly do you mean by her being quite glad to give it to me? :D
And on that score, I think someone said that Shiraishi was practising how to give chocos and was using the other guy as a "counterpart".....so it might well be that the Kagami-Shiraishi link is still there. ;)
...although, what exactly do you mean by her being quite glad to give it to me? :D
Hehe... being a 40-yrs old mother of a 3 and 5 yrs old, I'm pretty sure she'd be quite delighted that a 21-yrs old wants her number. Hohoho... I think my sister was in already dating when you're born... :)
And on that score, I think someone said that Shiraishi was practising how to give chocos and was using the other guy as a "counterpart".....so it might well be that the Kagami-Shiraishi link is still there. ;)
Souda, souda... I'll tell ya ShiraishiXKagami is the ultimate secret in L*S! Only true fans would notice! Just wait for it... that' the big series-ending secret!
Panzer Bandit
2007-07-17, 00:42
.....I just got counter-pWn3d. :heh:
...although, what exactly do you mean by her being quite glad to give it to me? :D
And on that score, I think someone said that Shiraishi was practising how to give chocos and was using the other guy as a "counterpart".....so it might well be that the Kagami-Shiraishi link is still there. ;)
I'm going to have a lot of Konata x Kagami fans angry at me if my theory holds water. :heh:
Ascaloth
2007-07-17, 00:53
Hehe... being a 40-yrs old mother of a 3 and 5 yrs old, I'm pretty sure she'd be quite delighted that a 21-yrs old wants her number. Hohoho... I think my sister was in already dating when you're born... :)
.......
AVPlaya 2:0 Ascaloth
Although I've heard that women of that age group have a certain charm that younger ladies don't. :p
Although I've heard that women of that age group have a certain charm that younger ladies don't. :p
Yeah, like sagging, eh, nevermind... :)
Asca-san, you wouldn't say that if you saw my sister at 16. Trust me, more than a few guys want to make me their best buddy after seeing my sister.
Ascaloth
2007-07-17, 01:10
Yeah, like sagging, eh, nevermind... :)
Asca-san, you wouldn't say that if you saw my sister at 16. Trust me, more than a few guys want to make me their best buddy after seeing my sister.
Must be tough for you, eh? :naughty:
Too bad I'm not born in the right time period.....ah well, no use dwelling on the past. :p
@Panzer Bandit and Ascaloth: that actually was the meat of my "theory" (crazy theories should always have a smidge of Truth) :)
1) Shiraishi was paying enough attention to notice her hankie fall and then he called her by "Kagami"
2) He defended her, unlike any other, and got totally righteous during his tirade.
3) He was practicing with that guy... notice how later he's behind the girls with another group sitting all red-faced like he's screwing up the courage. Of course, he never quite gets the chance.
Clearly he has the hots for Kagami. Whether it ever comes to pass will likely be left a mystery for doujin :)
Ascaloth
2007-07-17, 01:27
Clearly he has the hots for Kagami. Whether it ever comes to pass will likely be left a mystery for doujin :)
Too bad said doujin are probably more interested in the "KonaXKaga" angle than the "ShiXKaga" angle. :heh:
@Panzer Bandit and Ascaloth: that actually was the meat of my "theory" (crazy theories should always have a smidge of Truth) :)
1) Shiraishi was paying enough attention to notice her hankie fall and then he called her by "Kagami"
2) He defended her, unlike any other, and got totally righteous during his tirade.
3) He was practicing with that guy... notice how later he's behind the girls with another group sitting all red-faced like he's screwing up the courage. Of course, he never quite gets the chance.
Clearly he has the hots for Kagami. Whether it ever comes to pass will likely be left a mystery for doujin :)
It IS practice.. in EP13 14:39, both the big dude and Shiraishi was saying this both their "first time". It was a practice run. At 14:48, Shiraishi is sitting their red-faced with his Red-haired buddy, looking just like Vexx-dono described. And moments later, Kagami said everyone's V-day was boring! Oh the beautiful irony! Only CLOSE friends gets to call each other by given name... ESPECIALLY for boys calling girls. GOOD FURENDO. How good? How close? They're not even the same class?!
*of course what happened between Shiraishi and the Red-hair dude can be interpreted in a completely different way by the Pro-Yaoi Camp.*
Also something curious.. in EP13 13:35, there this boy behind Kona which looked very similar to the faceless boy Kona was imagining Kagami with. Hmmm....
Boy this anime is hide a lot of delicious secrets....
robertness
2007-07-17, 01:56
@Panzer Bandit and Ascaloth: that actually was the meat of my "theory" (crazy theories should always have a smidge of Truth) :)
1) Shiraishi was paying enough attention to notice her hankie fall and then he called her by "Kagami"
2) He defended her, unlike any other, and got totally righteous during his tirade.
3) He was practicing with that guy... notice how later he's behind the girls with another group sitting all red-faced like he's screwing up the courage. Of course, he never quite gets the chance.
Clearly he has the hots for Kagami. Whether it ever comes to pass will likely be left a mystery for doujin :)
Shiraishi retrieving Kagami's handkerchief reminds me of Victorian Era romances where girls would purposefully drop their hankies in the path of intended beaus. Could it be?...
No. Doing something like that would be totally out of character for Kagami. Most likely she dropped it while being aggravated by Kona-chan.
Panzer Bandit
2007-07-17, 03:34
@Panzer Bandit and Ascaloth: that actually was the meat of my "theory" (crazy theories should always have a smidge of Truth) :)
1) Shiraishi was paying enough attention to notice her hankie fall and then he called her by "Kagami"
2) He defended her, unlike any other, and got totally righteous during his tirade.
3) He was practicing with that guy... notice how later he's behind the girls with another group sitting all red-faced like he's screwing up the courage. Of course, he never quite gets the chance.
Clearly he has the hots for Kagami. Whether it ever comes to pass will likely be left a mystery for doujin :)
Phew, I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking about this theory. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. If this theory ends up being reality, I'm REALLY interested at how they'll play it out.
I'll be on the lookout for more clues. :)
Kaoru Chujo
2007-07-17, 12:51
...I'll be on the lookout for more clues. :)I know this doesn't exactly count, but in her blog report (http://blog.livedoor.jp/clovercafe/archives/50893926.html)on the handshake session last weekend, Katou Emiri (Kagamin's seiyuu) specifically mentioned Shiraishi, laughing about some comic instruction they received from him. Shall we extend these theories into the real world?
Panzer Bandit
2007-07-17, 12:55
I know this doesn't exactly count, but in her blog report (http://blog.livedoor.jp/clovercafe/archives/50893926.html)on the handshake session last weekend, Katou Emiri (Kagamin's seiyuu) specifically mentioned Shiraishi, laughing about some comic instruction they received from him. Shall we extend your theories into the real world?
Oh snap! :heh:
Hehe, although I wouldn't read too much into it, that would be kind of cute if it did happen.
I know this doesn't exactly count, but in her blog report (http://blog.livedoor.jp/clovercafe/archives/50893926.html)on the handshake session last weekend, Katou Emiri (Kagamin's seiyuu) specifically mentioned Shiraishi, laughing about some comic instruction they received from him. Shall we extend these theories into the real world?
This is Shiraishi, right?
http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/clovercafe/imgs/b/b/bbc775c4.jpg
I don't know from the blog if he's JUST talking to her though... He's supposed to be in a seiyuu drama troop, isn't he? Perhaps he just trying to teach them a few tricks about live sketch comedy. There maybe something there neh... he's the kind of funny and open (to girls) guy a lot of girls dig in Japan...
Kaoru Chujo
2007-07-17, 13:50
This is Shiraishi, right?.... I don't know from the blog if he's JUST talking to her though... He's supposed to be in a seiyuu drama troop, isn't he? Perhaps he just trying to teach them a few tricks about live sketch comedy. There maybe something there neh... he's the kind of funny and open (to girls) guy a lot of girls dig in Japan...Yes, that's Shiraishi. I felt as if I wasn't understanding the Japanese in her blog perfectly, but what I got was that he was giving the whole group amusing pointers. What I noted was that Katou-san was the one who referred to him in such a nice way.
And looking at the photo again, I'm going to imagine that she's looking at him and cracking up.
Yes, that's Shiraishi. I felt as if I wasn't understanding the Japanese in her blog perfectly, but what I got was that he was giving the whole group amusing pointers. What I noted was that Katou-san was the one who referred to him in such a nice way.
And looking at the photo again, I'm going to imagine that she's looking at him and cracking up.
Don't blame yourself... you're just not a gamer (I'm not either so I have to look it up). モンハン in her blog refer to the best selling PSP game of 2007, Monster Hunter Portable 2nd. MonHan is short for Monster Hunter. It just sounded so familiar since I have gamer friends (some really CRAZY gamer friends) so I asked around. Shiraishi was teaching the girls (OR MAYBE JUST HER!) how to play a PSP game. Yes even Seiyuu idol plays games in Japan. It's really cool that Emiri-chan owns a PSP.
Minoru just comes across as the kind of guy you'd love to go have a drink with and goof around, karaoke --- be you guy or girl.
If its a constructed persona, he's done an absolutely stellar job of it - but I'll assume its real :)
It must be heaven and hell to be surrounded with such cute professional comrades (actually I did have an experience with that ... lead engineer of three femme engineers who were all insanely cute and great to goof around with, but it was probably for the best I was already attached).
Yogo_Pogo
2007-07-17, 16:30
For the pairing i suggest the following:
Konata will marry Kagami
she'll have an affair with Tsukassa, just a one night stand
but then she'll have a long affair with Miyuki
hum...?
Xiaolang
2007-07-17, 16:42
For the pairing i suggest the following:
Konata will marry Kagami
she'll have an affair with Tsukassa, just a one night stand
but then she'll have a long affair with Miyuki
hum...?
Hmm... sounds like a shoujo manga. Caught the NANA bug too eh? XD
(kidding... joudan da yo...)
Hmm... sounds like a shoujo manga. Caught the NANA bug too eh? XD
(kidding... joudan da yo...)
More like a Yuri doujin... one I won't mind reading. Only thing I would change would be Kona marries Tsukasa, has long term affair with Kagami, and one-night stands with Miyuki, who's in a triangle relationship with Yukata and Minami. Shiraishi acts as Kagami's fake husband (to hide her yuri self) at day, whipping toy a night. Ah, what a wonderful world.
More like a Yuri doujin... one I won't mind reading. Only thing I would change would be Kona marries Tsukasa, has long term affair with Kagami, and one-night stands with Miyuki, who's in a triangle relationship with Yukata and Minami. Shiraishi acts as Kagami's fake husband (to hide her yuri self) at day, whipping toy a night. Ah, what a wonderful world.
...you scare me.
Yogo_Pogo
2007-07-18, 10:37
Hmm... sounds like a shoujo manga. Caught the NANA bug too eh? XD
(kidding... joudan da yo...)
I like NANA. Relationships sure are complicated in that one...
Let's make/write that doujin/fanFic shall we!
AVPlaya i kind of like your idea. Sometimes you just marry the perfect girl.
She cooks well, is cute and is kind of calm. So Tsukasa is the perfect choice for the wife. About Kagami, she's certainly the kind of girl who gets attention because of the way she acts. She's the type to hide things, like her love for Konata. She'll marry Shiraishi. They met at an hospital after Akira(is that the name of that lucky chanel bipolar?) nearly killed him for being more popular and such. I think i'm too into this for my own good...
About the anime...
I wonder if it's just me or sometimes Kona-chan just ignores Tsukasa?
They met at an hospital after Akira(is that the name of that lucky chanel bipolar?) nearly killed him for being more popular and such. I think i'm too into this for my own good...
About the anime...
I wonder if it's just me or sometimes Kona-chan just ignores Tsukasa?
Yes her name is Akira, but you better call her Akira-SAMA. :)
I think Kona-chan treats Tsukasa like family, meaning she's so used to her being there she sometimes just forgot her. She like to mess with Kagami, but in various episodes Kona is most relaxed with Tsukasa. Plus she often cry to Tsukasa when she can't get what she wanted. I actually think that in many ways Kona is closer to Tsukasa than Kagami. But Kagami is her one true love~~
Okay I just read my first full fledged Comiket quality L*S doujinshi (quite by accident, seriously). Yes, the 18-kin type. Did not like it at all, but the only good thing that comes from it is Shiraishi x Kagami. See everyone's picking up that vibe.
Kaoru Chujo
2007-07-19, 19:22
I see from this page (http://www2.asahi.com/koshien/89/saitama/news/TKY200707180040.html), posted yesterday, that Kasukabe Kyoei HS lost its first match of the summer baseball tournament for the first time in 20 years. I think the article says that Kyoei was the Saitama rep in the national tournament in 2005, and its opponent was one of the Saitama final four last year. I believe the article says that the wheels came off early for Kyoei, and it couldn't recover. In the pictures, Kyoei is the school with red on their uniforms.
I'm not sure what this initial loss means. Maybe AVPlaya can fill us in.
I also agree with AVPlaya that Konata feels at ease around Tsukasa and likes her a lot -- but once Kagamin comes on scene, she does seem to turn all her attention to her.
On the fanfic front, is it possible that Kagamin could get into Tokyo University, since the school does apparently place people there, and she is the top of her class? I picture Konata getting into another Tokyo school, rather higher than you might expect, since she is really smart and knows how to take exams. Then, unless they live at home and commute, is it possible that, at least by second or third year, they might...share an apartment? Meanwhile, Miyuki is going to some expensive university in Tokyo and living in a high-rise flat on her own. And Tsukasa is going somewhere closer to home. Maybe with the idea of becoming a teacher? She's not really dumb, just dumber than her friends. And the beat goes on: Konata spends all her time in her university's Genshiken, and Kagami keeps berating her about it.
CrowKenobi
2007-07-19, 20:09
Now you've done it! This just popped into my mind: Tsukasa and Osaka teaching at the same school... I can just imagine them getting along famously. :heh:
:cool:
I see from this page (http://www2.asahi.com/koshien/89/saitama/news/TKY200707180040.html), posted yesterday, that Kasukabe Kyoei HS lost its first match of the summer baseball tournament for the first time in 20 years. I think the article says that Kyoei was the Saitama rep in the national tournament in 2005, and its opponent was one of the Saitama final four last year. I believe the article says that the wheels came off early for Kyoei, and it couldn't recover. In the pictures, Kyoei is the school with red on their uniforms.
I'm not sure what this initial loss means. Maybe AVPlaya can fill us in.
Holy crap... I was so busy with my project I fogot to check the Koshien news... Thanks for updating it... I am so dissapointed... they lost to a PUBLIC school for crying out loud... not a powerhouse by any means. what does that mean? That means they are OUT OF THE DARN TURNEY FOR THE YEAR. There's over 4000 schools and a loss means you're gone. There's no second chance. All other seeded teams moved on, except them. This is the year they're supposed to attempt national dominance, only to get ousted in the first game? Holy cow. This is beyond belief. Wow, I wonder if Lucky Star will reflect this monumental loss of face in a future episode? Guys, this is a HUGE deal. Baseball powerhouse schools are not supposed to loose to no-name public schools in their first game... it's like the 16th seed beat the first seed in a NCAA regional. It just does not happpen. This is so bad for the moral of the school some student will avoid wearing uniform in public. They're usually the one making others feel bad, now every school in the area will be teasing the. Oh boy, be glad Kona and the gang could not care less.
I guess I won't be opening a thread after all... I am glad I've waited. Sigh. Is this the L*S curse? :)
EDIT: I need to vent more - I checked the progress of some of my favorite.. Osaka powerhouses Toin and PL Gakuen steam rolled their opponent by over 10 points each, and Wakayama Chiben beat the crap out of their first and second round foe by over 15 points each. This is how seeded teams should play first and second games!!! Gosh I'm still steaming.. I was looking forward to following the Saitama Regional..
On the fanfic front, is it possible that Kagamin could get into Tokyo University, since the school does apparently place people there, and she is the top of her class? I picture Konata getting into another Tokyo school, rather higher than you might expect, since she is really smart and knows how to take exams. Then, unless they live at home and commute, is it possible that, at least by second or third year, they might...share an apartment? Meanwhile, Miyuki is going to some expensive university in Tokyo and living in a high-rise flat on her own. And Tsukasa is going somewhere closer to home. Maybe with the idea of becoming a teacher? She's not really dumb, just dumber than her friends. And the beat goes on: Konata spends all her time in her university's Genshiken, and Kagami keeps berating her about it.
It's unlikely she'll get into Todai. We've seen her grades.. she gets mostly B's (80's). She will be lucky getting into a good private U like Waseda. Kona's ability won't get her far, and her English is beyond bad... chances are she'll skip U and start working in the anime industry as soon as the graduated. Miyuki should be in a elite school of sort... her strong liberal arts and social science should end her in either Sophia or Keio. Chances are she'lll be a politician. Tsukasa will be lucky enough to find a job as OL after HS... maybe she'll goto an easy Short term University or vocational school. Hey, KyoEi University is a good non-competitive choice. As for being a teacher... eh, don't believe what you see in anime. Being a teacher in Japan is Not easy... you have to attend specific programs and be tested constantly to retain your certification. They take teaching seriously and its not a gimme job. I'm not sure Tsukasa's qualified to teach HS... kindergarten or lower grade school maybe. :)
They will all still hang out... they all live in the Greater Tokyo area.
Guys, Japanese college entrance exam is beyond anything you have imagine. Todai entrance exam makes GMAT looks easy. I think Kona may end up in a Uni if Kagami pushes her... but other wise I'd think she'd rather just start working in the industry of her dreams.a
There are specific vocational schools targeting the anime/manga industry (saw an article where the government is starting to put some money into them). I could see Konata heading into one ofthose.... but I could also see her being a permament multi-part-time jobber whose dad lets her stay at home for the foreseeable future.
There are specific vocational schools targeting the anime/manga industry (saw an article where the government is starting to put some money into them). I could see Konata heading into one ofthose.... but I could also see her being a permament multi-part-time jobber whose dad lets her stay at home for the foreseeable future.
Well, there are several famous seiyuu vocational schools Konata could try out. Seemed that she has the talent no? :)
Kona-chan, you know KyoAni runs an animation school, right? Want to give it a shot?
On a different note..
I went shopping for some REAL food last night with the wife... and we bought a couple of cronets and a Lot of Pocky in honor of Kona and Kagami. It's funny I when I was a kid I was more a Yan Yan (http://www.japanesesnacks.com/snacks.php?id=134) fan... Pocky is a little dry for me. Now due to Kagami-sama I get Pocky every week now. Oh, I just discover something... if you're eating Choco Cronet with Pocky, you can dip your Pocky INTO the creamy center of a cronet and enjoy it that way! It's really good! It's my way of Kona X Kagami, and please stop the yuri byproduct in your head. :) And BTW, Giant-size Pocky, oh so good.
Huuhuu, I'm still more of a Yan Yan fan myself, but there are some Pocky flavors out there I loooove (strawberry mousse, anyone?). Last time I was in Japan (at Narita Airport :p ) I grabbed the Giant Pocky, but it really didn't do much for me -- I found them to have too much crunchy bread-stick and too little choco.
Somehow I see Kona going into something having to do with playing games for a living. No, seriously! Maybe develop games, maintaining a particular game's website, or creating new events for players... I don't see her leaving home, either. It's not unusual in Japan for kids to still live with their parents even when they become adults. And Izumi-chichi would be *very* reluctant to let her go anyways.. :)
Panzer Bandit
2007-07-21, 02:46
Huuhuu, I'm still more of a Yan Yan fan myself, but there are some Pocky flavors out there I loooove (strawberry mousse, anyone?). Last time I was in Japan (at Narita Airport :p ) I grabbed the Giant Pocky, but it really didn't do much for me -- I found them to have too much crunchy bread-stick and too little choco.
Somehow I see Kona going into something having to do with playing games for a living. No, seriously! Maybe develop games, maintaining a particular game's website, or creating new events for players... I don't see her leaving home, either. It's not unusual in Japan for kids to still live with their parents even when they become adults. And Izumi-chichi would be *very* reluctant to let her go anyways.. :)
I'm a total Pocky addict, but the Giant Pocky is pretty blah for me too. The chocolate to bread ratio is just too off for it to be tasty.
The funny thing is, the most frequent item I bought during my stay in Japan was Pocari Sweat. I went around this time last year, and man I'm glad they had a vending machine every block, because I'm pretty sure I drank around a liter per hour due to the heat and humidity. It's just so refreshing...well, at least to me it is.
I'm a total Pocky addict, but the Giant Pocky is pretty blah for me too. The chocolate to bread ratio is just too off for it to be tasty.
but perfect for dipping into a choco cronet :)
Xiaolang
2007-07-21, 04:36
The funny thing is, the most frequent item I bought during my stay in Japan was Pocari Sweat. I went around this time last year, and man I'm glad they had a vending machine every block, because I'm pretty sure I drank around a liter per hour due to the heat and humidity. It's just so refreshing...well, at least to me it is.
It seems like Pocari Sweat is having the opposite effect if you had to drink nearly a liter per hour of the drink. Sounds like you're getting dehydrated as you drink Pocari Sweat rather than re-hydrated. :p
Looks like they still got the "Midas Touch". Lucky Star and Kanon(2006) rated very highly on the DVD sales charts (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-07-20/japanese-animation-dvd-ranking-june-20-july-17).
Cheers.
Well I did it anyway... I made a Koshien Thread in General Chat. I'm not sure why anyone would want to read it beside myself now that the vaunted KK Baseball team is toast, but I'd probably just keep it up for my own use as I have a few team I'd like to track and see how they do. There's just not a lot of English speaking people tracking Koshien so this forum is as good as any. Check it out if you'd like.
When will Patty Martin show up?
Lucky_Day
2007-07-22, 01:51
I wonder if the four of them might end up working on a project together.
Kaoru Chujo
2007-07-22, 17:03
There was apparently a festival Thursday at the real Washinomiya Shrine (http://www.washinomiyajinja.or.jp/), the one the Hiiragis are supposed to live at. A blog (http://kuki-shimin.com/archives/219) from a local person there said that otaku showed up, on a tour of the "sacred sites" of Lucky Star, and even did some of the dance from the OP. In the comments, one person said they were weird, and another said they scared her daughter, then someone said they weren't dangerous and not to be prejudiced toward them.
Some pics from at least one group's visit were posted on 2channel:
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9783/u12780kx7.th.jpg (http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9783/u12780kx7.jpg) http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4249/u12781ys4.th.jpg (http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4249/u12781ys4.jpg)
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9927/u12783gu4.th.jpg (http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9927/u12783gu4.jpg) http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/2416/u12782qu7.th.jpg (http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/2416/u12782qu7.jpg)
One of the prayers posted there wishes for the anime to have good sales. Another wishes for Konata to be the poster's bride. Here is the Lucky Star "sacred places" (http://zbzbm.hp.infoseek.co.jp/kikaku/moetown/rakisuta.html)site. And following is an image from a magazine, showing how to get to some of the sites:
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7797/11835598180032fr4.th.jpg (http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7797/11835598180032fr4.jpg)
Oh That's just what I expected.... I love you even got to dig up these things.. was this blog posted in 2ch? It seemed that they are mostly concern about "security" issues... oh please, they are otakus. They are going to spend a lot of money in your little town and most likely be the victim of YOUR local bakuzoku gang. Please, like Katsukabe City is going to get tourists for any OTHER reason... This goes to show how much the average person fears the otaku... we really don't understand the kind of crap they really face in Japan. Some commenters has more common sense. Scared your daughter? Your kid's afraid of guys in backpacks? Well I can understand if some moron decide to CROSSPLAY there..
I like it how some guys says "camera and big backpack is so strange? Then what are you going to do during Sports Festivals? Call the cops?" A girl from Katsukabe KyoEi said that the she's often seen camera setup around the school and its' scaring the girls. Another "local" says otaku scares kids and is prone to criminal actions. Man I don't think I wanna go anymore... or If I'm going I'm NOT bringing a large backpack! One of the guy made the most sense... don't you all do the same when you goto Korea for the Kan-ryuu location tours? (thousands of middle age women tours Korea for the locations of their favorite K-dorama).
http://blogimg.goo.ne.jp/user_image/20/9a/bbd45507ccdf80333515130e8f0b3d7a.jpg
This reads:
"I must pass the entrance exam to Katsukabe KyoEi HS!"
Signed, 3rd Year Student from K-University (20).
One comment from a 2ch troll:
"To all local residents:
This anime consisted of women with a child-like bodies, and about half of these otakus who perform these "Holy site tours" are people who must masturbate when they see a child-body woman. If you have a grade of middle school level girls walking around by herself, please take extra precaution. Please report suspicious persons to the police immediately."
BTW this (http://kskb.web.fc2.com/rakisuta/) site is a bit better at location tracking. Simon-san is on his way so they'll even start seeing gaijin ota there as well.. hohoho...
Kaoru Chujo
2007-07-22, 18:52
...was this blog posted in 2ch?...BTW this (http://kskb.web.fc2.com/rakisuta/) site is a bit better at location tracking....Yes, it was posted at least in Hirano Aya thread 80 (http://ex21.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/voiceactor/1184949524/), post 505. And thanks for that other "sacred places" site. I can actually understand the girls at the high school being weirded out by otaku photographers, but cameras and big backpacks at the shrine...? The real shrine keeper should be encouraging it, lol.
I have to admit that was an interesting episode this run. Man how much can we "plug" 'Haruhi' in someone else's show? Gee, 'Kyoto Animation' I know you animated 'Haruhi' but damn, how much more do you want to plug it? I also learned that the same studio was responsible for 'FMP' series too. No wonder there were a lot of those dolls lying around. Yet I've never seen the show.
Ok, references, references... I think I want a 'Lucky Star' shirt. Maybe a 'Yui' one would be good. Ok, I admit the "3" styled mouths are getting to me.
Luminisk
2007-07-27, 18:24
I have to admit that was an interesting episode this run. Man how much can we "plug" 'Haruhi' in someone else's show? Gee, 'Kyoto Animation' I know you animated 'Haruhi' but damn, how much more do you want to plug it? I also learned that the same studio was responsible for 'FMP' series too. No wonder there were a lot of those dolls lying around. Yet I've never seen the show.
Ok, references, references... I think I want a 'Lucky Star' shirt. Maybe a 'Yui' one would be good. Ok, I admit the "3" styled mouths are getting to me.
KyoAni isn't responsible for the FMP in 2002, although, it is responsible for FMP:F and The Second Raid, but really though most of the FMP reference is contained in the Comiket episode. Kagami reads the light novel.
FMP is Kagami's closet otaku weakness. So that's a reference I would actually expect to see in the anime adaptation.
Of course, there's the ongoing rumor that KyoAni will take the first FMP as a project down the road.
Simon just PMed me about his progress at his own L*S Holy Site Tour, and he's captured most of the Tokyo locations, like the walk back from the concert. Tomorrow his time he'll be heading into Saitama... hopefully no locals will give him the evil eye as he frolic around Washinomiya Shrine with his big back pack and camera.
GoldAlchemist
2007-07-28, 02:50
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm711857
A piece of news about Lucky Star sacred places. :)
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm711857
A piece of news about Lucky Star sacred places. :)
Thanks for the link! It's actually a not bad... very little anti-otaku crap there about security etc. The head priest was pretty nice, and the neighbor baba find it all funny. It is pretty cool that they even went to Akiba to AND bought that copy of NewType. It's funny how ever single otaku was embarrassed to talk about it... I think they musted look all day to find a few who would talk on camera. There's even an ota cosplaying in the shrine... I hope they stop THAT. Some of the arts are pretty decent. Hey why not... when they visit they have to contribute to the shrine... more money to run the Jinja... why not.
Simon just PMed me about his progress at his own L*S Holy Site Tour, and he's captured most of the Tokyo locations, like the walk back from the concert. Tomorrow his time he'll be heading into Saitama... hopefully no locals will give him the evil eye as he frolic around Washinomiya Shrine with his big back pack and camera.
Nice to hear its all going well --- and i hope its not long until all those wonderful images shall be shared with us all.
I <3 real locations.
Let's discuss a few points from EP16:
1. What's the link between the movie Ringu and EP16?
2. If you were to pick a LOTR race for each of the girls, what would you have selected? Do you agree Kagami as being in the Orc race?
3. Miyuki and her mom both are unusually found of putting their hand on or near their cheeks. Is it because:
a. They both like how it add to their Moe-Youso (essence),
b. They both like their respective cheeks a lot,
c. Dental disease and dislike of dentists and/or dental hygiene is hereditary, or
d. All of the above.
Please discuss. Feel free to add your own curios.
3. Miyuki and her mom both are unusually found of putting their hand on or near their cheeks. Is it because:
a. They both like how it add to their Moe-Youso (essence),
b. They both like their respective cheeks a lot,
c. Dental disease and dislike of dentists and/or dental hygiene is hereditary, or
d. All of the above.
e. Because it's a habit. :p I also put my hand to my cheek a lot, usually when I'm in *shokku*! Two hands (one per cheek) if I'm embarrassed or blushing, which has been happening a lot lately with all this tsundere-talk... :p
truehappiness
2007-07-29, 23:18
Let's discuss a few points from EP16:
1. What's the link between the movie Ringu and EP16?
2. If you were to pick a LOTR race for each of the girls, what would you have selected? Do you agree Kagami as being in the Orc race?
3. Miyuki and her mom both are unusually found of putting their hand on or near their cheeks. Is it because:
a. They both like how it add to their Moe-Youso (essence),
b. They both like their respective cheeks a lot,
c. Dental disease and dislike of dentists and/or dental hygiene is hereditary, or
d. All of the above.
Please discuss. Feel free to add your own curios.
Supposedly, someone mentioned earlier that Ringu had something to do with the "ringutone" that Konata got to put on her phone. [lol, she took it out of her room finally?]
Hm... LOTR.. since I haven't read the books/seen any of the movies, I probably would've thought of any of the following series:
Dungeons & Dragons
Warhammer
Warcraft
Final Fantasy XI
The Elder Scrolls series
Lineage II
Hârn
Earthdawn and Shadowrun
Sovereign Stone Series
The Killing Spirit
The Three Towns
Utopia
Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura
Orkworld
Magic: The Gathering
Disciples
Siege of Avalon
Fallout
Palladium Fantasy
Flintloque
Ragnarok Online
Seeing as how Konata plays that game online so often, I'm sure that she was probably talking about one of the ones I bolded. XD Then again, are we ever given any hints at ALL about what she's playing?
And the cheek thing.. seems like it is to make herself seem more moe. Most idols seem to do it during photoshoots and stuff. Perhaps it's just a reflex she's developed over the years after looking up endless facts with her elbow on her desk with her hand on her cheek?
e. Because it's a habit. :p I also put my hand to my cheek a lot, usually when I'm in *shokku*! Two hands (one per cheek) if I'm embarrassed or blushing, which has been happening a lot lately with all this tsundere-talk... :p
Mark of a True Tsundere... :) They seemed to do it WHENEVER possible though
Supposedly, someone mentioned earlier that Ringu had something to do with the "ringutone" that Konata got to put on her phone. [lol, she took it out of her room finally?]
Hmm... probably not since it's not called ringtone in Japanese. Ringu to a Japanese means a ring. Oh Lord of the RING? Man that is obscure.
Hm... LOTR.. since I haven't read the books/seen any of the movies, I probably would've thought of any of the following series:
Kona knows... but the other girls would only know about LOTR... :) Every woman and girl in Japan knows Orlando Bloom. :)
And the cheek thing.. seems like it is to make herself seem more moe. Most idols seem to do it during photoshoots and stuff. Perhaps it's just a reflex she's developed over the years after looking up endless facts with her elbow on her desk with her hand on her cheek?
It is a typical Japanese female habit to point to your own cheek when thinking (it is extraordinarily cute and I wish more girls would do it) so I thought it maybe related, but she's touching them like, every single scene it seemed. They are the "Natural-Kei" moe types... they don't know they are moe but they just ARE. :)
Japanese girls do all sorts of cute gestures which L*S has depicted... like how Tsukasa puts both of her hands in front of her with palm facing inside. That is a what a young child would do and again, super cute!
Xiaolang
2007-08-01, 18:04
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm711857
A piece of news about Lucky Star sacred places. :)
I know it's about 4 days old but...
/me face palms.
Old Lady: fushigi desu ne...
/me face palms harder.
I know it's about 4 days old but...
/me face palms.
Old Lady: fushigi desu ne...
/me face palms harder.
Why? You've been to the Tour? :) You've carried your big backpack into Washinomiya Jinja?
Simon is back from his own Holy Site Tours and he'll be posting his pictures soon! Boy oh boy I hope he took some good ones... maybe that same baba on TV to. :)
Man, to be young and capable-of-having-family-free-vacations....
Xiaolang
2007-08-01, 18:41
Why? You've been to the Tour? :) You've carried your big backpack into Washinomiya Jinja?
Simon is back from his own Holy Site Tours and he'll be posting his pictures soon! Boy oh boy I hope he took some good ones... maybe that same baba on TV to. :)
Man, to be young and capable-of-having-family-free-vacations....
No, well not the Lucky Star tour specifically; I will be going to Japan in '09. As for the big backpack, hell no. Although I will admit, if I was going to Japan when I was still in college, I'd buy hella anime-related junk and probably would be carrying a backpack.
But in '09, I plan on traveling light, except for the briefcase of course. I plan on buying mostly fashion (http://www.diabro.net/) and Amerikaji (http://item.rakuten.co.jp/bears/c/0000000149/?p=1&type=all) clothes and maybe one or two Haruhi-related trinkets, if it's still popular by that time. That's about it. :)
Man this tread needs more life!
I was thinking about EP19's strange LC... Shiraishi was busy TEXTING someone, even at the irk of the mighty Akira-sama. Who could he be texting? Must be a gal... no way he's texting his parents. So the question is.. WHO.
Then we have the pretty good ED: Shiraishi singing "Kaorin's Theme". Kaorin is of course seiyuu for TSUKASA. The whole thing is like a love song from Shiraishi to Kaorin; maybe he wants to date her in real life (don't blame him, she's pretty darn cute). But it does gives me some clue... if I'm L*S writer and I see all this Minoru (seiyuu) x Kaorin action going on, what would I do with L*S? Hmmm...
Who likes texting the most in L*S? Who text so much that she got a scolded for high phone bill? Gosh... maybe we have it ALL WRONG. We all thought Shiraishi was eyeing Kagami during Valentine's Day... but think about it.... maybe, just maybe, the final, ultimate secret for L*S is...
Shiraishi x Tsukasa.
Come on now, think about it... This is a better pairing. Any more evidence to suggest this?
CrowKenobi
2007-08-07, 19:25
We all thought Shiraishi was eyeing Kagami during Valentine's Day... but think about it.... maybe, just maybe, the final, ultimate secret for L*S is...
Shiraishi x Tsukasa.
Come on now, think about it... This is a better pairing. Any more evidence to suggest this?That one of Tsukasa's hopes for the future was to be a bride? ;)
:cool:
Panzer Bandit
2007-08-07, 23:49
Man this tread needs more life!
I was thinking about EP19's strange LC... Shiraishi was busy TEXTING someone, even at the irk of the mighty Akira-sama. Who could he be texting? Must be a gal... no way he's texting his parents. So the question is.. WHO.
Then we have the pretty good ED: Shiraishi singing "Kaorin's Theme". Kaorin is of course seiyuu for TSUKASA. The whole thing is like a love song from Shiraishi to Kaorin; maybe he wants to date her in real life (don't blame him, she's pretty darn cute). But it does gives me some clue... if I'm L*S writer and I see all this Minoru (seiyuu) x Kaorin action going on, what would I do with L*S? Hmmm...
Who likes texting the most in L*S? Who text so much that she got a scolded for high phone bill? Gosh... maybe we have it ALL WRONG. We all thought Shiraishi was eyeing Kagami during Valentine's Day... but think about it.... maybe, just maybe, the final, ultimate secret for L*S is...
Shiraishi x Tsukasa.
Come on now, think about it... This is a better pairing. Any more evidence to suggest this?
I'm willing to bet he was texting a Hiiragi. Which one, though, is up in the air. ;)
My gut is still telling me Kagami, although this episode makes me go "hmmmm...".
EDIT: I just remembered something in episode 15, right where they're coming out of the concert. Here's the conversation (based on a.f.k.'s subs).
Tsukasa: "The first person who came out was so cool."
Kagami: "Eh? That guy?"
Tsukasa: "Eh? No?"
Kagami: "People actually go for that, huh?"
By "that guy", I'm assuming it's Shiraishi, since he's the emcee for their concerts, right? If that's the case, then the Tsukasa x Shiraishi argument just got a boost. ;)
EDIT: I just remembered something in episode 15, right where they're coming out of the concert. Here's the conversation (based on a.f.k.'s subs).
Tsukasa: "The first person who came out was so cool."
Kagami: "Eh? That guy?"
Tsukasa: "Eh? No?"
Kagami: "People actually go for that, huh?"
By "that guy", I'm assuming it's Shiraishi, since he's the emcee for their concerts, right? If that's the case, then the Tsukasa x Shiraishi argument just got a boost. ;)
Dude, that's an EXCELLENT find. Yes he is the MC at the concert..... Wow, this is really getting interesting. Hints of romance everywhere.... And why does Shiraishi gets all the girls? The other more famous seiyuus don't get sing not one, not two, but at least 5 EDs in an anime, two of them your own creation! He gets his own animated character! He gets to STAR in his own MV! He gets to flirt with all the girls! He gets the girl both IN AND OUT of anime!? And dont' tell me Akira-sama don't have a secret crush on Shiraishi or Hiromi-chan isn't looking out for some young meat... I mean right now, who is in the male seiyuu world is hotter than Mr. White Rock? And he has never had a decent role! Man, anime popularity sure is funky...
Minoru really has his own harem going there with the VAs of all the girls.... o the possibilities... muhahahaha.
The whole thing is really pretty funny in its own way.
kenjiharima
2007-08-08, 14:03
OMG!!! Shiraishi behind that drag...I didn't know you where a real man. *wink*
(old style trying to get the girls, by being one) :heh:
He's immortalized in L*S. Probably one of my favorite male characters now due to the REAL Shiraishi Minoru
Panzer Bandit
2007-08-08, 18:16
Minoru really has his own harem going there with the VAs of all the girls.... o the possibilities... muhahahaha.
The whole thing is really pretty funny in its own way.
I must say, I'm EXTREMELY envious of Shiraishi now...I'd be in heaven being surrounded by all the pretty ladies. :)
He seems like a genuinely affable guy, so kudos to him for his newfound popularity (professionally and romantically;)).
I was thinking about the lowly origin of Lucky Star, how they were a little 4-koma manga mascot for a game mag... and how Animate Tencho is the anime mascot for Animate stores.. and it just dawned on me...
Lucky Star is the first anime in the world with a HUMAN mascot.
My gosh, we are witnessing history in the making here.
Dark Morford
2007-08-08, 23:21
There's rumor going around that Lucky Star has been licensed, but I can't seem to find any source for it at all, let alone one specifying which company may have the US license. Has anyone come across something concrete about this?
Heh.... (hi...) check the discussion in ep 18.
So far the only data at all is an assertion by the afk irc channel mod in a post (bayoab in the ep 18 thread) and the title of the irc channel itself.
The only verifiable data is that a.f.k. seems to have dropped it. And unless we get a news release or something more verifiable - its still unlicensed.
For now we do have the G. folks and I hope the EnA group starts up again after summer break.
Otherwise, I'll just save my pennies for the eventual licensing.
lol... I just read the same explanation three times in a row in three different threads. I've been reading it throughout the day as well....
I suppose the question about a.f.k. should've originally been asked in the generic thread (this one) and stayed here instead of moving to the other threads.
truehappiness
2007-08-09, 01:45
Heh.... (hi...) check the discussion in ep 18.
So far the only data at all is an assertion by the afk irc channel mod in a post (bayoab in the ep 18 thread) and the title of the irc channel itself.
The only verifiable data is that a.f.k. seems to have dropped it. And unless we get a news release or something more verifiable - its still unlicensed.
For now we do have the G. folks and I hope the EnA group starts up again after summer break.
Otherwise, I'll just save my pennies for the eventual licensing.
It looks more like a translator went on vacation, but a lot of users on afk seem to be sick of people coming in and asking, so there's a kick script for people who come in and ask..
It's likely that they've still got Lucky Star, as there's no reason that they'd just do it without any notice..
Heh.... see now that makes sense. I suppose it could be the caveat that "any buzz is good buzz" but really.. most people are fine with "translator on vacation, please stand by for a few weeks".
Bayoab is usually pretty straight forward, but his cryptic "the information is factually correct" when compared to the irc subject line which is a bit oblique tends to raise the "you've been pranked" estimate value :) They also haven't actually used the word "dropped" --- that's been used by all the query posts.
Alesiopdv
2007-08-10, 05:01
Actually the epsiode titles seem to be random anime or cultural references that had nothing to do with the episode. For example episode one is titled "The Girl who Runs Swiftly" Tsuppashiru Onna in reference to El Cazador de la Bruja, but that title has no relation to that episode. It doesnt even really apply to Konata because she is not that much of a runner.
Anyone here watchs Sayonara Sad Sensei? The anime version has a lot of Lucky Star references.
Actually the epsiode titles seem to be random anime or cultural references that had nothing to do with the episode.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is the titles are randomly picked from one of the titles of the 4koma used in the episode.
kenjiharima
2007-08-10, 07:53
we never seen Konata cried...there's no feeling of sadness in the anime nor the manga.
Ever since seeing the Angel Mom Kanata and Kona-chan pic. Kinda move me...in tears it so beautiful. If I can give 100 cookies to Shana~ for posting that I would
Hey there! I am new around here, but I liked so much this hread that I inmediatly registered. Let's talk about Lucky Star!!!
I have read your posts anout the relationship between Tsukasa and Shiaraishi, and it makes lot of sense... But, there is one thing that may end this discussion, and it is the answer given to Konata by Tsukasa the moment when they are talking about nicknames... (although it is episode number 10, a little early). When Konata asks what would she call Shiraisi, she says "Doesn't matter", or something like that...
What do you think about all of this? Please, reply!
Forgive about my english, he he!!
Uh...wow. So under all this 4-koma plot nothingness, there is a hidden love story under it all, and it's between a seiyuu and basically a human mascot. Like some sort of reality show, only it's very, very real.
So...now it's all up in the air. When Shirashi helped Kagami with her handkerchief, he was probably trying to get close to Tsukasa at the same time. However, we still haven't figured out who Shirashi is really after. Remember when Konata tried to peek into Kagami's phone?
Konata: "It's a man. Definitely a man."
Kagami: "No it's not!"
Wait a second...was he trying to ask Kagami what Tsukasa's doing, or...was he after BOTH?
kenjiharima
2007-08-10, 10:48
Shiraishi x all the girls real and Lucky Star!!! FTW!!! (Iam a harem guy sorry) :heh:
Well well seems the girls real or anime have the hots for Shiraishi...what about Miyuki? There's signs from her that she likes Shiraishi...or is it well hidden in the episodes? One thing is for sure Konata is the first main girl character one to talk to Shiraishi...Sebastian and is it really Shiraishi that she huged when she was imagining? GET YOU!!!
Who knows...maybe the DVD versions will give a special to the real things happening behind the scenes.
Actually the epsiode titles seem to be random anime or cultural references that had nothing to do with the episode. For example episode one is titled "The Girl who Runs Swiftly" Tsuppashiru Onna in reference to El Cazador de la Bruja, but that title has no relation to that episode. It doesnt even really apply to Konata because she is not that much of a runner. Haha, I do that with blog posts all the time. I like to pick out an off-the-wall title that has nothing to do with the post but is a reference, just so people will comment, "heeeey, isn't your title from ___? <_<"
Anyone here watchs Sayonara Sad Sensei? The anime version has a lot of Lucky Star references.I must be blind, because I've only caught one or two L*S references in it so far. I don't mind if they add a few but if they start adding L*S references left and right, I'm going to be annoyed and disappointed. However, I don't see that happening so I'm not particularly worried.
Aye... I do hope burying the original content under random outside references doesn't become a trend of any kind. Used sparingly, its delicious -- used repeatedly, it becomes "what? beans again????!"
Kaioshin Sama
2007-08-13, 12:09
Actually the epsiode titles seem to be random anime or cultural references that had nothing to do with the episode. For example episode one is titled "The Girl who Runs Swiftly" Tsuppashiru Onna in reference to El Cazador de la Bruja, but that title has no relation to that episode. It doesnt even really apply to Konata because she is not that much of a runner.
Anyone here watchs Sayonara Sad Sensei? The anime version has a lot of Lucky Star references.
Hmmmm...... and I thought the reason I saw so many familiar faces their was only because a.f.k was doing it. That's one of those series I've found that was blown up with a lot of hype that I didn't really care for much.
I swear though the anime industry is slowing eating itself with this referencing, it's like every show wants to be Family Guy now.
kenjiharima
2007-08-13, 13:12
It works as good marketing, but if one show or another over does it it's gonna get common.
But Lucky Star has every right to do it!!! One reason the main character is an otaku girl named Konata who likes anime stuff and games alot. :D
But what about parodies from movies?
FireChick
2007-08-13, 13:51
I showed my best friend the opening on YouTube and she said that Nanako looked like Ed from FullMetal Alchemist. I was surprised by that. I bet ADV should get this if it gets licensed.
I bet ADV should get this if it gets licensed.What basis do you have for that statement? XD
Just wishful thinking?
Bandai-America has Suzumiya Haruhi series... and with the forceful product tie-in, it would be almost astounding if Bandai didn't also do Lucky*Star's english anime release.
If I were the owner of Bandai, I'd probably shoot anyone who screwed up those negotiations :) It should be interesting though watching the dance between Kadokawa, Bandai, and KyoAni.
It works as good marketing, but if one show or another over does it it's gonna get common.
But Lucky Star has every right to do it!!! One reason the main character is an otaku girl named Konata who likes anime stuff and games alot. :D
But what about parodies from movies?
The whole show is a current Japanese pop culture parody. There's parody/references from almost every part of current Japanese life, but we only see the otaku stuff here because that's all most people know. That's why I started to write my ref list because some references are designed to stump the otakus (TV shows and sports being the most frequently used.)
I don't have a problem with KyoAni/Kadokawa product placement in the show - Lucky Star was CREATED to push products in a Kadokawa magazine and Haruhi is like a sister show to Lucky Star. In the Japanese culture, the IN group is supposed to be looking out for the other member of the group. Lucky Star referencing Kadokawa manga/magazines and KyoAni anime is acceptable. Unlike the product placement that's rampant in US TV and movies, most of the L*S references are actually funny. The promotion of other companies like the Animate stores is a bit questionable for me, but at least I thought they did a good job. The Anime Tenchou sections are mostly good.
Again, people, before you think KyoAni is some hot shot company - only a few years ago KyoAni is a little known shop in the middle of animation desert (Kyoto is not a hot bed of animation industry). It faces stiff competition and discrimination from larger, more established Tokyo houses and it usually gets filler works or sub-par OVAs. It's it only recently it became an otaku favorite. They still face some of the same issue they've faced before like Kanto snobbery, so I don't blame them for doing everything they can to promote their sister properties. Kadokawa is in a similar place facing competition from Japan's Big Three publishing houses. Again, I don't blame them one bit.
Lucky Star is a VERY Japanese show made with Japanese cultural ethics. We should not use our gaijin eyes to judge them when it comes to product placement/promotions. I personally love the references to death and the effect it has on otakus - I can imagine many of them just start reading a economic book by an accountant and mainstream TV shows about smart cats and dogs just because of Lucky Star. L*S have have single handedly brought many otaku out of hikkomori-dom and back to the real world again.
When L*S first started I had to get each episode as soon as possible, but now it's become sort of a deal in which I'll watch the raw if I'm in the mood to make avatars, and as for subs? Eh, forget about them. I haven't watched any subs since episode eight or nine, I catch a random raw every now and then...
Call me unfair, unreasonable, dumb, whatever.... I can't "make" myself like all the product placement like most people do. You're being reasonable and bringing up good points, but I still can't force myself to like it. (Kind of like, "this curry uses the freshest ingredients and a special spicy sauce - everyone loves it and for good reasons!"... Sorry, I still hate curry. :p ) So, I'm just going to accept that I'm weird and get on with it. I'll watch all of L*S completely sometime... probably when all the hype is over. :)
Kaoru Chujo
2007-08-13, 16:27
Actually the episode titles seem to be random anime or cultural references that had nothing to do with the episode. For example episode one is titled "The Girl who Runs Swiftly" Tsuppashiru Onna in reference to El Cazador de la Bruja, but that title has no relation to that episode. It doesnt even really apply to Konata because she is not that much of a runner.... Anyone here watches Sayonara Sad Sensei? The anime version has a lot of Lucky Star references.In fact, Konata is a great runner, as shown in that episode (ep1). I'm sorry to say that I believe your point is actually quite incorrect, and every episode title does have some relevance to the episode, whatever outside references it may or may not have. That ep1's title would refer to El Cazador is unlikely, since the two shows both began airing in April.
But I am watching Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, and loving both the show and the various references in it, including those to LS.
On the matter of references, I finally noticed the string of "special thanks" in the end credits, which seem to cover some of the companies one might consider offended against. Such as Gundam Ace Publishers, Type-Moon, and Kasukabe Kyouei High School, for ep19. Of course, GOTT and the SOS-Dan are in there, too....
Urotsukidoji
2007-08-13, 17:23
If anyone, Bandai should license it. With the just-about constant Haruhi references, any other company just wouldn't seem right...
And for the record, Nanako Kuroi really looks nothing like Edward Elric, due to the completely different eye color, hair length and style, clothing, gender, and overall body structure. Besides, do you actually see Kuroi strutting around with an automail arm? :P
And for the record, Nanako Kuroi really looks nothing like Edward Elric, due to the completely different eye color, hair length and style, clothing, gender, and overall body structure. Besides, do you actually see Kuroi strutting around with an automail arm? :P
lol!! Funny mental picture.
I can see the resemblance though - it's mostly the blond bangs and the style of them, but they also have a similar "eye style" (the way their eyes are drawn are more similar than Edward's and Tsukasa's, for example). This is coming from someone who's seen a total of two episodes of FMA so maybe a hardcore fan will disagree. :)
But I am watching Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, and loving both the show and the various references in it, including those to LS.
I am too.. I just watch the first episode of Zetsubou Sensei.. OMG... how can anyone translate this one... the references are flying off the shelf on this one, and most of the obscure or very, very Japanese.... they even made fun of the Rakuten Golden Eagles' logo AND the manager's bald head... So many references to historical figures and books... aiyaiyai... I don't think I'm qualify to comment on Zetsubou sensei... I'm in total awe. You would have to be a full-fledged Japanese intellectual well versed in every aspect of post-war Japan to really get all the references. This is almost like an independent film of the anime world. I really like it and I admire people who created it. I really doubt there will be more anime like it, since I can't imagine any otaku getting most of the reference. This anime is a work of art.
I think I'll stick to the everyday, simple pop culture references of Lucky Star. :)
CrowKenobi
2007-08-13, 20:42
And for the record, Nanako Kuroi really looks nothing like Edward Elric, due to the completely different eye color, hair length and style, clothing, gender, and overall body structure. Besides, do you actually see Kuroi strutting around with an automail arm? :PAlso, Kuroi sensei is tall... we all know how much of a shrimp Edward is... :heh:
:cool:
relentlessflame
2007-08-13, 20:59
Bandai-America has Suzumiya Haruhi series... and with the forceful product tie-in, it would be almost astounding if Bandai didn't also do Lucky*Star's english anime release.
If I were the owner of Bandai, I'd probably shoot anyone who screwed up those negotiations :) It should be interesting though watching the dance between Kadokawa, Bandai, and KyoAni.Semantics, semantics, but... Kadokawa brought Haruhi to the U.S. themselves, and simply chose Bandai U.S.A. as a partner/contractor to do production/distribution work on their behalf. This is similar to how they chose Funimation to do the marketing/distribution for FMP:TSR, with ADV doing the dubbing, or how they got RightStuf to work on The Third. I'm sure there was some sort of negotiations involved, but it wasn't your typical license negotiation game. So, it actually doesn't matter much whether Bandai works on Lucky Star or not, and there isn't even any sort of guarantee that Bandai would work on the next season of Haruhi Suzumiya. In the end, it's Kadokawa themselves who'll benefit most from the tie-ins and so on (which is to say, just as it is in Japan). So, it's semantics, but relevent nonetheless. This is why it'd be fair to say that pretty much anything Kadokawa releases in Japan, including Lucky*Star, is "licensed" from the get-go (they have a company to represent their licenses in the U.S.), but we're simply waiting for a sort of "statement of intention to release".
Ah, I see.... I thought Bandai was more of an equal partner in the sense of purchasing the content for dubbing and distribution.
Hmmm, makes me wonder how much Kadokawa was involved in the dub project. Actually, the whole power arrangement is interesting since often the "written material" (manga, etc) people sign away creative control to the animation producers, which sometimes gives us the eye-searing trainwrecks manga-readers love to hate. Synergistic Leveraging *cough* 'blarrrr'
relentlessflame
2007-08-13, 22:06
Ah, I see.... I thought Bandai was more of an equal partner in the sense of purchasing the content for dubbing and distribution.
Hmmm, makes me wonder how much Kadokawa was involved in the dub project.If you want my guess, I bet it's some sort of profit-sharing scheme, but there's no way to know what goes on behind closed doors. :p From what I could tell from the marketing campaign leading up to the Haruhi release though (incl. those ASOS videos), it seemed like it was probably Bandai guiding the process, with Kadokawa overseeing/approving (which would make sense -- the whole reason to partner with a local company like that would be to draw on their experience/expertise). That being said, Kadokawa apparently did keep the rights to the English Adaptation (as per the bottom of the box). They have Bandai listed as "co-producer" and "distributor".
All in all, I think it's a pretty interesting and smart arrangement for all parties, and I bet we'll see more to come.
It is kind of nice to see the japanese industry getting past the "why on earth would someone not from Japan be interested in any of this stuff?" and being smart about the execution. :)
CrowKenobi
2007-08-13, 23:51
It is kind of nice to see the japanese industry getting past the "why on earth would someone not from Japan be interested in any of this stuff?" and being smart about the execution. :)Unlike say, Toei... *cough*4kids*cough*
:cool:
kenjiharima
2007-08-15, 07:38
A friend of mine in another formulated this idea. All credit goes to him.
Character Counter Parts
I've managed to formulate character counterparts. Kagami's group however is lacking one more girls to complete the table.
Konata --- Misao --- Patricia
Tsukasa --- Yutaka
Miyuki --- Ayano --- Iwasaki
Kagami --- Hiyori
Counterparts are based on matching personalities. Very hard though.
CONCLUSION: Somebody else is missing.
Who?
Judging from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lucky_Star_characters), I can't see any others that would fit. The only other character their age would be Shiraishi. Unless there's a character not listed that's in the manga... I wouldn't know.
Kagami --- Hiyori
The grouping only kinda make sense, but if you need to add anyone to this list then it would be Akira. That's if this group is "tsundere-type girls who blushes a lot". Akira a closet Tsundere who blushes...kinda.
CrowKenobi
2007-08-15, 23:30
For those who care, EnA have just released episodes 12-16 so catch up while you can! ;)
:cool:
Cripes..... I'll have to head to campus for that amount of MB. Glad to hear they're back in ops.
I wrote this for the Saimoe Tournament... to be posted when Kagami is up for vote. It's a haiku for Kagamin:
はにかみな
鏡の下に
兔恋
Hanikami na
Kagami no shita ni
Usagi koi
English Translation:
Underneath the embarrassed mirror (Kagami), a rabbit's love affair.
Anyone else want to write poems for L*S? (probably not). I am going to work on one for Tsukasa too.
Claymore_Obsessed
2007-08-17, 12:08
I wrote this small poem for Akira Kogami.
She somehow inspired me a Norse mythology feeling...
A Lucky Star shines in the night sky
Her Channel is seen throughout the Nine Worlds
Our Navigator guides us through the seas of Midgard
Her sleeves are longer than Jörmungandr
Her ashtray is heavier than Mjöllnir
Her angry voice is deeper than Ginnungagap
Mightiest of idols
Rival of main characters
Enemy of producers
Smile, rage, beauty and contempt
The otaku's navigator and Minoru's terror
explanation of the mythological references:
-Midgard is the world inhabited by humans
-Jörmungandr is a giant sea serpent that encircles Midgard
-Mjöllnir is the hammer of Thor, his mighty weapon
-Ginnungagap was a vast windy emptiness that existed in the beginning
^- I wonder if Akira would be happy and appreciate your effort, or if she would dislike being likened to such powerful attributes... >_>
Love the poem though! (^w^)b To quote Kona: Get!
Oh dude, that's beyond awesome. I think Akira will cry you a river when she sees this. Man you HAVE to let Kadokawa/Lucky Channel know about this poem. A gaijin love poem for Akira-sama using Nordic mythology? You'll probably be FEATURED on Lucky Channel. How about it? If you're not sure how I'll send it to them for you while giving you the full credit. Neh Neh? Oh yeah did I tell you ever since "Vinland Saga" Viking /Nordic mythos is becoming popular in Japan? :)
great poem. yea send it in
On this latest episode of Lucky Channel Radio Show, in the "Moshimode Lucky Channel" corner, Shiraishi read an English fan e-mail on the air. It's just a simple fan letter. This means they read and CARE about gaijin fan mail. I will be helping Claymore_OB-san sending this love poem in. Hopefully we can hear it in a week or two on the air.
Here's my translation of the poem; it's not very good cus I'm not really good at writing, but hopefully they can understand it:
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"Akira-sama of the Æsir"
『エーシル*のあきら様』
A Lucky Star shines in the night sky
幸運の星は夜空で照てるし、
Her Channel is seen throughout the Nine Worlds
九つの世界*中彼女のチャネルが見られる；
Our Navigator guides us through the seas of Midgard
私達のナビゲーターはミズガルズ*の海を通して導く。
Her sleeves are longer than Jörmungandr
彼女の袖はヨルムンガンド*より長くて、
Her ashtray is heavier than Mjöllnir
彼女の灰皿はミョルニル*より重くて、
Her angry voice is deeper than Ginnungagap
彼女の怒声はギンヌンガガプ*より深いである。
Mightiest of idols
アイドル界の無敵者、
Rival of main characters
本編キャラのライバル、
Enemy of producers
プロデューサーの大敵。
Smile, rage, beauty and contempt
微笑、憤怒、美貌、軽蔑；
The otaku's navigator and Minoru's terror
おたくの操縦者とみのるの恐怖。
＝＝＝
脚註：
*エーシル (Æsir): 北欧神話における最高神オーディンを長とする神々の系統
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%A8%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B7%E3%83%AB
*九つの世界: 北欧神話に登場する世界の総称
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B9%9D%E3%81%A4%E3%81%AE%E4%B8%96%E7%95%8C
*ミズガルズ (Midgard): 北欧神話に登場する人間の住む領域
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%9F%E3%82%BA%E3%82%AC%E3%83%AB%E3%82%BA
*ヨルムンガンド (Jörmungandr): 北欧神話に登場する怪物の世界より長い大蛇
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%A8%E3%83%AB%E3%83%A0%E3%83%B3%E3%82%AC%E3%8 3%B3%E3%83%89
*ミョルニル (Mjöllnir): 北欧神話に登場するトールがもつ鎚
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%9F%E3%83%A7%E3%83%AB%E3%83%8B%E3%83%AB
*ギンヌンガガプ (Ginnungagap): 北欧神話に登場する、世界の創造の前に存在していた巨大で空虚な裂け目のことである
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%AE%E3%83%B3%E3%83%8C%E3%83%B3%E3%82%AC%E3%8 2%AC%E3%83%97
Kaoru Chujo
2007-08-20, 13:42
AVPlaya, Claymore_Obsessed, that is outstanding!
I think KyoAni and Kadokawa at least have now realized that there is a huge potential (and actual) anime audience outside Japan. I think the obvious knowledge of a current show like Lucky Star that was shown by the audience at AX -- in the Timotei question, especially -- may have surprised and impressed them and got them thinking of ways to capitalize. The fact that the show is popular "world-wide" is already being mentioned in Japanese publicity.
Claymore_Obsessed
2007-08-20, 14:20
I'm glad you like my poem, thank you all :)
and the good news is, the poem has just been sent to LC !!! ^^
So we better cross our fingers and see if AVPlaya (who deserves a huge THANK YOU for his support :bow:) and me will be featured on LC soon :eek:
Have you noticed the fact that Tsukasa was waiting for an important sms in chapter 19? Maybe from a certain Shiraishi Minoru? xDD. Was that only my imagination?? X3
Since Shiraishi is still stuck in the Sea of Tree on the foothills of mount Fiji, I thought you all may want to know what is actually looks like from the inside.
Hard Gay Razor Ramon Sumitani is a wrestler with a special back story - he's gay, but not just any gay, HARD GAY. He eventually land himself on TV doing very funny sketches for a popular show called Daibakuten. This is one of the many Hard Gay sketches. Search for his name on youtube and you'll find more of his adventures helping strangers and doing good deeds in hard gay style.
This particular adventure has him going to the Haunted Forest of Aokigahara Juukai treasure hunting. Due to the popularity of Aokigahara as a suicide spot, many people have discovered that you can find stuff in the forest - if you're brave enough to do it. So there's now a new trend of scavenger hunting (http://petertolman.blogspot.com/2006/10/sea-of-trees-on-dark-side-of-mt.html) in the haunted forest. Hard Gay, being fearless and all, went into the forest looking for treasure. He even took a frequent guest from a popular antique appraisal show (like antique roadshow, only in prime time) to appraise his finds. It's an entertaining way of getting to know this very scary place.
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Hard Gay Razon Ramon Sumitani is a wrestler with a special back story - he's gay, but not just any gay, HARD GAY. He eventually land himself on TV doing very funny sketches for a popular show called Daibakuten. This is one of the many Hard Gay sketches. Search for his name on youtube and you'll find more of his adventures helping strangers and doing good deeds in hard gay style.
I'm sure AVPlaya knows, but many don't: Hard Gay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masaki_Sumitani) is actually straight. :D
As a straight-laced prude, I say this: Hard Gay is hilarious.
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