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Catgirls
2006-09-24, 07:53
Welcome to the discussion thread for Utawarerumono, Episode #26. The final episode.
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*sniff* *sniff* It’s over.
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I love the new name, "Shadow Warrior Chronicles".
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I love the new name, "Shadow Warrior Chronicles".
With just under 24 hours to go before the series finale, let's post our anticipations, our wants, our questions that we'd like answered before Utawarerumono concludes. I'm personally expecting a lot of these things to happen:
- Another vision which will explain Mutsumi, the red blobs, and the medallion Eruruu wears on her hair
- Dii's gonna get all speechy mid-battle, explain the origins of his powers, and justify his actions in his glorious yet nonchalant manner (see RPG Rule #181 (http://project-apollo.net/text/rpg.html))
- Plenty of rock throwing
- Eruruu's going to sing...again
- A lot of tears
Then again, it could just end up being an episode of gargantuan fisticuffs (just like episode 20, 22, 24. Hey, all even numbered shows!) with very little to do with explanation (in which case, #182 (http://project-apollo.net/text/rpg.html) would apply here). I dunno if episode 26 can crush my heart and move me to tears with the time allotted, but if it can, it's high points. I wasn't that emo when Teoru died in 11, but plenty tearful in 4, so I know this show can do it.
Don't disappoint me, OLM.
EDIT: Catgirls loves the new name? O_o
I can't recall Erurru sing before. I do agree with you one most your point about what I would like to see happing in this episode.
I can't recall Erurru sing before. I do agree with you one most your point about what I would like to see happing in this episode.
She sings at the end of episode 4, after Hakuoro returns from battle.
Plenty of rocks throwing? Is that as in flaming the series or something? o.O
Renegade334
2006-09-24, 23:46
He probably means 'rock-throwing' as in 'titans flying around due to gigantic blows and crashing into mountains, etc' or possibly 'titans chucking rocks at each other'.
:heh: That'll be fun to see, two giants chucking fistfuls of rocks at each other. :uhoh:
Renegade334
2006-09-25, 13:06
http://bin.4chan.org/a/res/1053422.html <-- Spoilers ahead. I'll edit this later for the 2chan link. The ep seems to have just started so do come by from time to time as screenshots come in.
Apart from the battle, it seems that there is also the much-awaited flashback arc explaining how the world came to be and what happened to Mikoto - as well as why there is a dark version of Hakuoro-beast. And it looks like Amaterasu is shown, too.
Alright, to sum it up, it seems (based on my knowledge of the game's ending) that they followed the game, especially with the parting of the cast...
Yuzuha's grave (it looks like she died from natural causes) visited by Oboro and his departure with the twins for a long journey...
Benawi possibly taking up the position as emperor after Oboro declined it...
Touka and Karura journeying together a bit like wandering dispensers of justice...
Eruruu going back to a village as a doctor like her grandmother...
Urutorii becoming head of Onkamiyamukai and letting Kamyuu enjoy her youth with Aruruu...much to Munto's anguish...
Hakuoro being sealed but possibly coming back at the very last second of the ep, although it's not shown...just like in the game (it's just hinted)...
Kuuya still in her childlike state...
And, yes, it seems that Hakuoro and Eruruu kiss despite the blood link between the two.EDIT: 2chan link --> Removed
Must......not.......spoil........myself......ROAR.
Was there at least plenty of rock throwing? :x
Renegade334
2006-09-25, 13:25
Looks like they sticked to the game ending, eh, Zaris? I didn't see any rock-throwing in the scshots; I expected more time allotted to action but I guess they went for the bittersweet parting and snapshots of what becomes of each character.
White Manju Bun
2006-09-25, 13:34
I want an all out knock-em dead battle btwen hakuoro and dii plus I want some explanation to what the heck is going on with the weird flashbacks, Ive read some stuff but I still dont get it....
I want closure, so many anime endings dont give closure, I dont want to scream, WTF was that at the end of it XD
It is over... :sad:
But locking at the Screenshots, it seems to be a great Final :D
Game ending, eh? Well, it's not like you can entertain the crowd with 10-12 minutes of colossal mashing and bashing. I figured since 25 that they were allotting time to the epilogue portion of the game.
Not going to spoil myself yet! I'll watch it once I get the opportunity. If I know what's going to happen, I'll lose the emotional impact. I want to cry!!!!! = [
Here's the full episode screenshots.
Episode26 (http://sakuratan.ddo.jp/uploader/source/date22771.jpg)
YES im dling the ep right now WOHOHOOHOHOOHOHOOHOHO!!!!! XD
update: O.O;; overall, i liked the final ep. they could've taken out the op to cover up more stuff from the game. i want that new ending song!!!
I just saw it...
and YES!!!!! ヽ(´―`)ノ
Synopsis is underway...as well as a new sig. Mwahahahaha.....
And yes, I cried.
That ending song was secks<3
T'was a gewd ending, bittersweet with a hella long goodbye :o
The fight could've been better, but oh well desu :3 T'was still good :x
kari-no-sugata
2006-09-25, 18:59
Excellent ending...
But seriously Hakuoro, your harem management skills suck - "sorry girls, gotta go else world goes boom" :heh:
Last episode screenshots courtesy of Random Curiosity: http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2006/09/25/utawarerumono-26-end/
Deathkillz
2006-09-25, 19:15
grrr soo hard trying to stop myself from watching the screen caps...but im managing :D gona get 100% enjoyment watching this first time ^_^
Toonleap
2006-09-25, 20:29
Episode 26 finally arrived....
It was a good ending, but it could have been better and less cheesy...It is curious how they altered or skipped many important things during the entire series and at the end, they preserved almost the same ending as the game. If the series was more than 26 episodes, zero rush and allowed to develop more each of the characters, like Touka or Benawi, the ending could have a much more strong impact. Maybe thats why the ED was a little bit above average. Of course, many people will find the ED very good. I agree with that, but still I think something was missing...
It ended this way, and it was a good ride. I dont have any regrets watching this series as I enjoyed playing the game as well....:)
I agree, the ending seemed rather bland. They didn't really get everyone terribly worked up about Hakuoro leaving them as they did in the game. There wasn't really much "impact" per se. :/ Converting Witsarunemitea's dying figure into an image of Hakuoro made it kind of cheesy, and we didn't even get the mask falling scene, which I thought was fantastic in the game. I guess the term is happy-go-lucky?
I've decided to forgo putting my synopsis on my website front page and paste it here instead. You've seen the screenshots, and there's plenty of links to go around too. But nobody has the audacity to spend 6 hours translating and coming up with a synopsis of the episode besides me lol. :heh:
Well, that and the fact that all my recordings are in WMV9 format. VirtualDub, the program I use to open and take screenshots with, can't read that file type. I swear, this was done on purpose! :frustrated:
Well, the below spoiler is the summery. Again, my Japanese is not perfect. This is an extrapolation based on what I know from the game and what I was able to translate from the show...but it's not like I made up stuff. :eyebrow: Don't click it unless you really wanna know what happens word for word. You have been warned.
Prelude
Before I continue with the synopsis of episode 26, there are clarifications of episode 25 that need elaborating that I missed last week.
The conversation that the protagonist and antagonist had was exactly as I thought, but when I had written it, it was totally vague. What you must understand now is that (according to Dii) Dii and Hakuoro have been struggling for the same thing - to achieve essentially worship status. It is their drive - whether they knew it or not. Both of them achieve this in different ways, but the means are always bloody.
Dii gives his supporters/believers the means to conquer the weak nations, thus he gains the acceptance and praise of his “children”. He calls the people who are weak and/or don’t agree with his godlike nature an inevitability that must be weeded out, but it is so few compared to those who will eventually worship him that the method becomes legitimate.
Compare that to Hakuoro, who is literally willing to appear before them (notice how Dii is usually in hiding?) and teach his “children” agriculture, crafts, and warfare. And these acts essentially gets him the praise that he unconsciously wants - to the point that he becomes a ruler. Thus, there is nothing wrong with their actions according to Dii. Sometimes, both of them will grant wishes and requests to further their agendas (Dii to Genjimaru, Hakuoro to Eruruu). This is the point where Dii was pointing his finger at Aruruu and Eruruu…before Eruruu speaks out that her actions were of her own choice, not by contract.
Dii expected their two philosophies to clash in the end. And so they did at the end of episode 25. Which brings us to episode 26…
Teaser
Urutorii explains to everyone that the Onkami are fighting each other. The outcome of this battle will decide mankind’s fate...essentially. Everyone, even Mutsumi, watches silently, captivated by the two colossuses as they rip each other apart.
Act One
Dii continues to provoke Hakuoro into fighting with his words. Hakuoro, realizing that their existence has taken the lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent victims, fights Dii to end their being. At one point, after tearing one of Hakuoro’s arms off, Dii pins his opponent to the ground, questioning Hakuoro to recall the memories of a more peaceful existence - before the here and now, before they had awakened. This sparks a vision of such a moment:
Iceman returns home from foraging. Mikoto is there waiting for him; their baby lies sleeping in her arms. Iceman puts a necklace he made around the baby. It consists of a piece of brown string with a ring-like amulet tied around it. The amulet is from Mikoto’s father (Mizushima) and though it isn’t a necessary item to them anymore, it is still an important one to her father and they believe it will bring the child fortune. But just then, a group of soldiers in environmental suits ambush their location and tranquilize Iceman. Before passing out, he can hear the baby crying and Mikoto restrained and screaming for help.
Coming around, Iceman finds himself in the underground facility, bound, and greeted by a scientist who puts on a mask like the one he has. It carries the power to enhance metabolism and immunity, allowing humans to live above ground again. Iceman inquires about Mikoto, and the scientist replies by saying she’s been “dismantled”, that her womb and other important bodily parts are being stored and studied. Then he jokes with him, saying they can create as many copies of her as he wants, which ticks Iceman off to the point that his ethereal form unravels.
The entity grants the humans’ wish of having strong bodies and immortality by turning every last one of them into red slimes. The entity is utterly amused, but a part of Iceman (within the entity) calls out to anyone who can stop him. Suddenly, he finds himself in contact with Mutsumi telepathically, saying she can grant his wish. She adds that his wish is her wish and says good-bye. With that, Mutsumi activates a device in orbit and obliterates the facility. Unfortunately, Mutsumi’s effort caused a secondary effect to occur, splitting the two personalities apart just before they were sealed.
Which brings us to the present: it appears as if Hakuoro is losing, but in a last desperate move, he mends the two together like an infection, catching Dii off guard, and cuts off his head. The aura released from Dii’s body is absorbed into Hakuoro and he becomes his whole self again - the evil locked within.
Act Two
In the evening after the battle concludes, Hakuoro tells Eruruu that she has witnessed the truth. Aruruu doesn’t want him to go, calling daddy a liar for saying they’d be together. The rest of the group approaches, and Urutorii is asked to seal him. Urutorii fears that doing such a thing to Witsuarumetia would be a sin. Mutsumi flies down and says they’ll bear the sin together (if her father is going to disappear, so should she), and on that word she departs from Kamyu’s body. After a short reunion, the spell is cast. As it is done, the evil half rises and attempts to free itself, so Hakuoro gives them the go ahead to cut him down. The group advances, strikes, and in blinding light, the entity vanishes.
But the light does not end just yet. The group sees Hakuoro’s “soul” before them, his face happy and content, and with last minute favors and requests. He implores:
- Urutorii to continue her peacekeeping ways
- Kamyu to keep being Kamyu
- Karura to do as she wishes (although she admits that she’s always been doing that)
- Touka to use her powers to stop violence and help the weak (like Genjimaru)
- Oboro to take care of Yuzuha and lead the country into its new era (with Dorii and Guraa to assist)
- Benawi to care for the people in the palace and country
- Kurou to continue to support everyone
Aruruu wants to go with daddy, but Hakuoro asks her if she did, what would become of her sister, her friends, and all the people who care for her if she went with him. Aruruu understands, but she weeps at the fact that she won’t have a father figure anymore. Turning to Eruruu, they enter a place in private…
Eruruu asks if he’s really going, and Hakuoro says yes, that he’s going to slumber for some time. Eruruu says that everything will be okay in their care and not to worry. Hakuoro understands and smiles, but as he walks away, Eruruu lets her true feelings out and says she doesn’t want him to go. She asks how long is “some time”? He had told her that they were a family and they would be together. Hakuoro believes those are the forced feelings of their contract, but Eruruu tells him he’s wrong. Everybody knew that he wasn’t human, but it didn’t matter. He took care of Aruruu; he was there for everyone when people felt down. This Hakuoro, Eruruu loves, and it’s nothing to do with the contract at all. Hakuoro tells her thank you, and Eruruu says that he’s being unfair.
Turning away from Eruruu, Hakuoro tells Eruruu that just now, he saw Mikoto in her. Eruruu takes a few steps calling his name, but Hakuoro shouts at her not to come any closer - that it’s not good to be near him. Eruruu is silent, but approaches anyway. Hearing her footsteps, Hakuoro turns. Eruruu leaps into his arms, kissing him. Hakuoro is startled at first, but gives in to her passion and embraces Eruruu. Hakuoro says that without a doubt he’ll come see her again. And Eruruu whispers quietly, “Without a doubt…”
Epilogue
Oboro places Yuzuha’s favorite bell next to her grave and bids her farewell. Benawi and Kurou ask if he really is going, and Oboro tells them yes. Dorii and Guraa asks to accompany him, but Oboro insists that they don’t have to be bound to him anymore. They persist until Oboro says it’s ok as long as it’s their choosing.
Karura and Touka are fleeing from An Kuam soldiers. Touka agreed to be a samurai assistant to Karura because the latter was feeling bored. But now she’s gotten involved with obtaining sake without cash and is regretting every minute of it.
Munto approaches Urutorii and says that Kamyu is missing, but she assures him that everything is fine.
In a bed of flowers, Sakuya is babysitting Kuuya as she picks them. Suddenly, Kuuya jumps up in the air and reaches for something in the sky. A small wind blows petals above her.
Kamyu and Aruruu are eating beehives and honey. Kamyu asks if she’s alright with running the risk of being stung, but Aruruu says that the harder they come, the more delicious it tastes. Then Aruruu’s ears ruffle. Looking ahead, a similar-blowing wind swirls in front of them.
Eruruu is now a physician, and she’s being greeted and welcomed by the locals of the village that she’s moved into…as well as being inundated with patients. But she is happy…almost happy. Eruruu looks up in the sky, and thinks to herself, “Hakuoro-san, I am here. Aruruu is here with me. We’ll be here…for a long, long time…here…until you…”
The wind blows, and she turns around. Her face flushes and she smiles.
I'll give my full opinion of the show within the next 24 hours. But I must say this for now:
You go, Eruruu. Don't hide your feelings anymore. Being in love is the most wonderful thing in the cosmos. My heart is satisfied.
RunningTARGET
2006-09-26, 03:35
Wow what a wonderful ending I must say.
Hakuoro you were kind of cool, And may Yuzuha R.I.P.
Renegade334
2006-09-26, 07:43
Mmmmh...just read Zaris' post with translations and such.
I'm a bit surprised that
they left Hakuoro to be a mere ethereal presence, almost like a spirit watching over them than a living person coming back to greet those he had left behind.
In the game, it is hinted that Hakuoro comes back but no longer as a god or its avatar (reincarnation/vessel of a god) - there are multiple instances supporting that; three if I'm not wrong.
- When Kuuya is playing around, she does more than babbling and giggling. She can talk and speak with people although her mindset is still as childish. At a certain moment, she says, 'it's coming' - to which Sakuya asks 'what?' only to be answered by, 'the smell of soil'.
That said smell is a reference to Kuuya's observation about how Hakuoro smelled (a statement she made when she first met him) - like soil. It's probable that this fragrance was caused by his long sojourn under earth. Here, as one can see, it's the first hint that Hakuoro is coming back.
- Eruruu and Kamyuu playing together. At one point I believe Mukkuru lets a low growl and Kamyuu looks up and sees someone in the background. She then says, 'is that oji-san?'
I think the said person would have had to be pretty solid instead of a benevolent breeze for Kamyuu to identify the said person. Unless, of course, there is a form of empathy specific to the Onkamiyaryuu that allows them to recognize ethereal presences floated by.
- Then, of course, there's Eruruu who turns around to greet someone apparently coming to meet her. Problem is, we don't see anything because that's when the game ends and the credits roll down.
What's written above might not even have been considered by the staff - as a matter of fact, as I've said, I think they'll let Hakuoro sealed along with Uitsuarunemitea. In the game,
An explanation for Hakuoro's return, complemented and more or less confirmed by his mask falling into Eruruu's hands, is that Uitsuarunemitea is once again whole and Hakuoro is no longer needed as a mortal vessel to carry the great god's soul. As such, he's free to go while Uitsuarunemitea remains sealed.
Nevertheless, it seems that the two halves did not completely fuse together as seen when the party tried to seal them. So it might mean that Hakuoro's nature as an avatar is maintained because Dii doesn't want to fuse with him, leaving Uitsu's good side inside Hakuoro. I don't know if Dii's rebellion was stunted by the sealing spell and the two essences were forced-meshed together but it might be a credible way for Hakuoro to discard his second nature and come back as a mere mortal.
[offtopic]
BTW, Zaris, you should try CCCP (Combined Community Codec Pack) for taking screenshots.
Kyero Fox
2006-09-26, 12:23
I hate it when a good anime is only 25 or 26 Episodes long .. like Hyper Police >< i loved that and Utawarerumono and and very sad to see them end :(
kauldron26
2006-09-26, 14:08
loved it, loved it, loved it loved it!!!
Deathkillz
2006-09-26, 15:31
OMG! O.o
they disected mikoto!!!!
and ohh so thats where the red blobs came from :p
well it was to be expected that hakuoro was gona leave is some form...but i have no complaints seen as it was done so well
aruruu crying made me shed a tear or two and the sight of seening eruruu kiss hakuoro made me cheer...you go girl! :p
overall i really loved this series and the producers didnt screw up the end...thankfully...would be a shame if they did...
now i want that song that they played at the end! :D
O_O OMG...
Thosee... thoseee... BASTARDSSS...
They killed poor Yuzuha in the last minutes :'(
Why... WHY!!!... couldn't they just cure her through devine intervention... :upset:
Damn as$holes... :mad:
Seing Yuzuha all happy in the end is the only thing I wanted from the series... :upset:
I was disappointed with the end. Basically another anime where everyone loses in the end. And yes I mean lose. He lost his self.. Eruru lost him.. Aruru lost him.. Oboro lost Yuzuha.. Kamyuu still has not started to regain any mentality beyond a child. Man I'm tired of being drawn into bad ending anime's.
So.. its over. ;_;
Anyway, i've gotta admit.. i pretty much loved the last episode - true they left out a few things that would have pushed into over the top & made it even better, but i like how it is - the lil' ending showing the characters future was also a great touch. All thats needed now is the anime's ost at the end of October~
Oboro acting all so cool in his last scene.. i can't laugh at him anymore, but still, he's a great legend.
Never got to see Benawi at his fullest.. though just thinking how good that would be makes it all better.
Touka & Karura need there own TV series. :3
Yuzuha.. of course i'm not happy about her death, but i'm glad they didn't leave it hanging.
Kuuya.. <3333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333~ ^^;;
& i'll say this last thing. Through out each & every episode, Hakuoro just kept on showing just what type of character he is.. what a legend.
Seing Yuzuha all happy in the end is the only thing I wanted from the series...
Just because we didn't get to see it, where-ever she is.. i'll bet my life that she's smiling away.
Kyero Fox
2006-09-26, 18:38
O_O OMG...
Thosee... thoseee... BASTARDSSS...
They killed poor Yuzuha in the last minutes :'(
Why... WHY!!!... couldn't they just cure her through devine intervention... :upset:
Damn as$holes... :mad:
Seing Yuzuha all happy in the end is the only thing I wanted from the series... :upset:
lol World of Warcraft player :)
but yea it sucks she died :(
Deathkillz
2006-09-26, 19:14
imo it contributes to the impact of "everyone loses" but it comes across in a good way ;) would have been nice to see the interval when yuzuha dies...i think seeing oboro cry would get me pretty emotional...
@ kyero fox ~ WoW owns :D
i think seeing oboro cry would get me pretty emotional...
I know what you mean.. i'd be the same, crying my heart out. ^^;;
I'm sure Oboro did cry like hell, probably the same for Aruru.. okay, i don't wanna think about this anymore. ;_;
Darklightz
2006-09-26, 20:53
I think it was a good ending.We also got a few of the final pieces of the puzzle together
Now it sucks they killed Yuzuha,but I can understand how it was necessary to have a "everyone moving on with their lives" kind of ending.
I loved the final incestual kiss,it's about time she said it!And my heart melted at seeing Aruru cry like that,poor girl.
Oh yeah,they absolutely must make a spinoff serie with Touka and Karura!
does anyone have a picture of Hakuoro where his mask falls of? any screen shots or whatever of the game where I could see that ending D:
personally, I liked the ending - although one thing was slightly confusing....
Was it Dii's essence that was absorbed by Hakuoro, or was it simply the other entity? Waitsuarumitea (sp?)... I mean, it's a little hard to understand.
Why, after he cut Onkami-dii's head, did it seem like he was trying to escape again? I thought that Dii's will would've been destroyed after Hakuoro destroyed it.
But yeah, I thought it was a good episode. the music at the end was touching, and I've always liked Hakuoro's VA's voice to be pleasant. I hope I get to hear him in other anime.
The whole damn episode had me at the edge of my seat as I saw the fight, and I kept trying to fight back tears as I saw Hakuoro say his farewell to everyone.
I like Hakuoro a lot as a character because even though he was Waitsuarumitea (or is it Onkami? D: ), he earned everyone's respect as Hakuoro, the man, and not the god. I don't think that he had a subconsious desire to be praised as Hakuoro - he simply did what he had because he wanted to share it, not because he wanted anything in return - I dunno...
but I have to say, the most touching part of this episode was definately seeing Aruru cry - it was such a barely contained sob... she really seemed like she didn't want to cry but she just couldn't hold it - it was such an honest kind of crying, it moved my heart. Her voice actress did such an amazing job.
sigh, it's sad knowing I don't have my Utawarerumono to look foward to from now on....
The was amount the best ending I seen in a while. I don't know how else to praise this final episode.
I gave ep. 26 a vote of 9.
Some reason was they hurried through it all. That missed about 7 or 8 'tear jerker' moments. Im not sure how much time passed after Hakuoro left and Oboro lost Yuzuha as well as time it took him to recover and move on to the part we saw at the end.
Maybe they wanted it to all sink in later after we think about it and read some more.
I am glad some of their world exisitance, past and present got explained somewhat.
guenthar
2006-09-26, 23:45
I don't know how you could say that Eruru loving Hakuoro was incestual since if she was related to his child in some way that would have been probably thousands of years in the past and would be like saying everyone is related to each other since at the beginning of humanity there were far fewer people and a large part of humanity is related to those people and from that related to each other.
I really loved the whole series and place it very high on my all time most favorite anime list but I think it would have been much better if it was 52 episodes instead of 26 episodes.
Cardiac Glycoside
2006-09-26, 23:52
A good episode.
I would have liked it if somehow Eruruu lingered in "heaven" for a while with Hakuoro and everyone assumes she was abducted by aliens, only to find her back in town with tattered garments and not walking properly.
Oboro actually looks cool (or at least less stupid) with his "minimalist ninja" outfit last seen in ep. 4. Now that he is cool again, he knows his place. In other words, who can out perform GOD as Emperor of Tusukuru?
The twins "will be corrupted without" Oboro? Uh, I think episode 17 shows that the two are beyond redemption. ^_-
I know I have the grim reputation of making fun of Yuzuha for saying that she can't see shit. Well, now she can't taste, smell, hear or feel shit either. It's good to see that there's still at least a spoiled little sister's duo.
A good episode to end a good series.
I find it damn sad to see mikoto get disected. If my wife gets disected like that, I will probably do worse than hakuro can ever think of. At least Yuzuha died more peacefully.
Was it Dii's essence that was absorbed by Hakuoro, or was it simply the other entity? Waitsuarumitea (sp?)... I mean, it's a little hard to understand.
Why, after he cut Onkami-dii's head, did it seem like he was trying to escape again? I thought that Dii's will would've been destroyed after Hakuoro destroyed it.
They are both halves of the same being, so at the end, Hakuoro forced them to be merged back together.
I like Hakuoro a lot as a character because even though he was Waitsuarumitea (or is it Onkami? D: ), he earned everyone's respect as Hakuoro, the man, and not the god.
Witsarunemitea is the name of their god. 'onkami' is just a noun meaning a great god.
Incest is term used for relationship with close kin.
Separated by hundreds, thousands of years of generation is not "close kin".
Hence, Hakuoro and Eruru's kiss are not incestual.
While on topic, the closest kinship to Hakuoro is Kamyu/Mutsumi.
Unfortunately the anime didn't cover it, but Mutsumi is the closest clone of Iceman.
All the humanoids created by experiments were based on Iceman's DNA, but hers was the closest one.
Because she inherited some of his god-like powers, they considered her dangerous, and kept her contained.
Although separated by dozens, maybe even hundreds of generation, the sex scene between Hakuoro and Kamyu in the game was the closest thing to incest, since Kamyu's DNA strongly resembles that of Mutsumi :P
Oh, and another thing.
Yuzuha was treated diffrently from the original game.... here's the spoiler on Yuzuha.
Before Hakuoro is sealed, Yuzuha bears his child.
In the epilogue, Oboro is at Yuzuha's grave like in the anime... but Yuzuha gave birth to a child before she died, and left him/her with Oboro.
She was the only one who had a baby with Hakuoro, even though others had physical relationship with him also.
And the vague ending was modified also....
Spoiler on Hakuoro's fate.
At the end of the anime, Kuuya, Kamyu, and Aruru notices someone passing.
Aruru turns around at someone, and smiles.
In the game, it's more obvious who it is.
It's strongly hinted that Hakuoro finally (after a year or so of absense) returned to them.
Oboro going on trip to train himself as a ruler was kinda wasted. ;)
Cardiac Glycoside
2006-09-27, 03:01
Oboro going on trip to train himself as a ruler was kinda wasted. ;)
Well, in case Hakuoro decides to waste time playing with Aruruu and her pets, he knows which suckers can do his dirty work for him~
Oboro with general emperorship
and Benawi with bureaucratic matters ^_-
thundrakkon
2006-09-27, 09:42
The fact that there are still wars around and the hint that Hakuoro is returning leaves open the room for a possible sequel.
They did not go much into the detail of how and why Hakuoro was fighting and injured enough to make a contract with Eruruu, even though Dii said they are not supposed to meet.
Furthermore, they barely touched the subject of the petrified being that gave Hakuoro his mask.
Also, for supposedly really intelligent beings, I find the scientists quite dumb to not realize human feelings, dissecting poor Mikoto and having the nerve to tell her "husband" about it casually.
The ending was too fast and felt really rushed, so it was a little confusing at some parts. Overall, it is one of the better ending to a series, and the series is one of the better ones as well.
I would love to see a mini-series of Touka and Karura on their adventures. ^o^
Deathkillz
2006-09-27, 11:43
Also, for supposedly really intelligent beings, I find the scientists quite dumb to not realize human feelings, dissecting poor Mikoto and having the nerve to tell her "husband" about it casually.
well i dnt think that the scientists know about hakuoro's transforming ability...it certainly make them piss themselves tho :D
and mikoto!!!!! >.< feel like crying...
You're right, quite a bit of details were omitted in the anime.
They did not go much into the detail of how and why Hakuoro was fighting and injured enough to make a contract with Eruruu, even though Dii said they are not supposed to meet.
A young Onkamiyaryu man named Dii came in contact with the destructive half of the god Uitsuarunemitea, and awakened it. It became one with Dii.
At the same time, Iceman-side of the god was awaken, and it resulted in a fierce battle between the two. The earthquake that was caused by their battle is what Eruru felt before she found Hakuoro in episode 1.
The earthquake is also most likely what caused Aruru to get mortally wounded.
Furthermore, they barely touched the subject of the petrified being that gave Hakuoro his mask.
Quite simply, the petrified being is a god.
No explanation of when or where it was born, and how it became petrified.
Like gods in many mythology, this god answers to man's wishes, for a price.
When the scientist whose name is unknown was shot, his blood splattered on the petrified god. The god asked the scientist what he wishes. The dying scientist wished for a quiet slumber.
The god answered his wish, and put him to sleep. For the price, he took over his body. (since his own body was aged and petrified)
How this scientist became frozen in ice is unknown, but it's most likely result of the god putting him to sleep.
Wandering_Youth
2006-09-27, 17:55
I would love to see a mini-series of Touka and Karura on their adventures. ^o^
I second that. When I first saw them running away from someone that Karuura apparently pissed off, I though to myself, what an unlikeyly duo they are. Should make great laughs if they did make a specialy DVD episode about them.
Yeah I thought the ending was a little bit rushed too. Can someone explain to me the whole stabbing him and sinking into the ground. Not like he can be killed or stopped, he's basically a godlike being who could destroy the world, yet the closure was so simple. So in the end where did he go? He fozzilized his own body again and left for the spiritual realm or something? UGH...ending got me thinking oo much >"<!!!!
KaneDragon
2006-09-27, 18:33
Haha, Mutsumi really does control a killer satellite array. Kickass. Suck it, evil scientists! =D
Deathkillz
2006-09-27, 19:53
Yeah I thought the ending was a little bit rushed too. Can someone explain to me the whole stabbing him and sinking into the ground. Not like he can be killed or stopped, he's basically a godlike being who could destroy the world, yet the closure was so simple. So in the end where did he go? He fozzilized his own body again and left for the spiritual realm or something? UGH...ending got me thinking oo much >"<!!!!
i would think that he was sealed off "somewhere" and even tho he was godlike hakuoro wanted dii to be sealed off so in wasnt like hakuoro would be struggling but he would have been trying to drag dii with him...and the stabbing bit was to weaken dii enough so he cnt geat out of hakuoro...
Cardiac Glycoside
2006-09-27, 21:00
Does anyone else notice this is ending is like that of Ronin Warriors/Yoroiden Samurai Troopers?
1. Leader uses his power to fuse with villain.
2. Leader holds villain down.
3. Teammates attack leader.
4. And for god's sake, there's even a white tiger!
All that's missing is that Hakuoro's hero units don't become nude as they tearfully attack him.
Also, the ending WAS like Old Yeller, except Old Yeller is the one giving the wild animal rabies.
AHAHAHAHAHA....Cardiac has a point kinda. Didn't think about that or noticed it, but you're kinda right. I still don't see how being stabbed by everyone even hurt him the slightest. While he was fighting with Dii, he lost an arm and didn't even phase him and then having Dii punched his arm right through him didn't even phase him again. Their physical body doesn't mater, they're made out of that black smoky stuff ~_~
At the end of the anime, Kuuya, Kamyu, and Aruru notices someone passing.
Aruru turns around at someone, and smiles.
In the game, it's more obvious who it is.
It's strongly hinted that Hakuoro finally (after a year or so of absense) returned to them.
Oboro going on trip to train himself as a ruler was kinda wasted. ;)
Good, that's the feeling I got from the ending of the anime and I was going to check and see if anyone else got that impression.
GundamZZ
2006-09-28, 00:01
Doesn't anyone want to shout, "Hakuoro and Eruru, how can you kiss while talking to each other!" Is it some kind of stomach talk?
The people who can make Kurura running away must be some kind monster, but these monsters are still scare Eruru's harsh stare. :D
Renegade334
2006-09-28, 00:35
Yeah I thought the ending was a little bit rushed too. Can someone explain to me the whole stabbing him and sinking into the ground. Not like he can be killed or stopped, he's basically a godlike being who could destroy the world, yet the closure was so simple. So in the end where did he go? He fozzilized his own body again and left for the spiritual realm or something? UGH...ending got me thinking oo much >"<!!!!
The problem is that when Hakuoro decapitated Dii, he destroyed the vessel that contained the dark side of Uitsuarunemitea. Since Dii's body was dead, Dark!Uitsu had no other choice but to return in a living body - Hakuoro's.
Which means that Uitsuarunemitea is once again complete but, in the meantime, Hakuoro deemed that such godly powers were too dangerous for everyone's sake, especially now that the deity's dark side had come back. So he asked Urutorii and Kamyuu to seal him for the greater good.
However, when the spell was cast, on Hakuoro's orders, the dark side of Uitsuarunemitea fought back because it didn't want to be sealed again - which shows that the reunion between the two halves wasn't perfect and probably irremediable. In order to keep the dark half-soul inside him - the only living vessel right then, Hakuoro asked the others to strike him so that the destructive half-soul would also feel the pain and balk. The pain caused by the wounds caused the hatred-filled half-soul to relent and return into Hakuoro's body...and be sealed for good.
He didn't fossilize his body, just got it sealed away, probably in a separate dimension or whatnot. The fossil you saw was Uitsuarunemitea's earlier body, probably decayed through natural processes. Perhaps the deity's body wore down and he was 'condemned' to remain inside the bones until a willing vessel came by him.
Good, that's the feeling I got from the ending of the anime and I was going to check and see if anyone else got that impression.
Yes, but as I stated earlier, in the anime it seems more like Hakuoro is back as an ethereal being watching (in the shape of a benevolent breeze) over his beloved ones rather than a full-bodied individual returning to the UM world. In the game, it's definite that Hakuoro is back (read my earlier post, page 01 or 02) but no longer as a vessel for Uitsuarunemitea's soul (because we see Eruruu receiving Hakuoro's mask, meaning that the seal keeping Uitsuarunemitea's soul inside Hakuoro doesn't do its job anymore and Hakuoro is freed from his contract) - and not as a spirit.
Cardiac Glycoside
2006-09-28, 00:42
I was half expecting a headless Dii to interrupt Hakuoro's and Eruruu's moment of love.
Yes, but as I stated earlier, in the anime it seems more like Hakuoro is back as an ethereal being watching (in the shape of a benevolent breeze) over his beloved ones rather than a full-bodied individual returning to the UM world.
Yes, but that's your impression.
It wasn't depicted in detail, and it's up to anyone's guess.
I got the impression that Kamyu, Kuuya, and Aruru felt his "presence" coming back to the world, but Hakuoro himself may have appeared at Eruru's side.
Like I said, it's up to anyone's guess.
Sinestra
2006-09-28, 16:40
Its all over and for once i dont feel bitter about an ending. I loved Utawarermono from the first episode all the way to end. IMO no charcter will ever be as cute as Aruruu she is definetly my number 1 choice for cutest little kid in an anime
First let me say i cant beleive those bastards disected Mikoto that has to be one of the cruliest things ever. If that were my women and that happened to her after i was done with them they would be wishing for me to send them to hell. THe fight between Hakuoro and Dil at the end was a litte shitty but i can over look that. I was really hoping that Hakuoro would be rewarded for all his good deeds and find a way to stay sadly that did not happen. I was so happy that Eruruu finally admitted her feelings for him to the point where i almost cried. It was nice to see that none of the main charcters ended up dead everyone except Yuzu survied but we all knew she was going to die anyway i feel bad for Oboro but at least she lived her life to fullest till the end what more can anyone ask for.
Touka and Karura were so damn funny they need their own comedy act with just them traveling and getting into all types of shit. My impression for the ending is pretty open i think the writer did it on purpose. My theory is that after about a year Hakuoro was rewarded and allowed to return as a human. I think that everyone felt his pressence returning we all know how accute Aruruu is espcially when it comes to Hakuoro. THey felt his pressence pass over them but he really appreaed in front on Eruruu. If he was a spirt on just a passing a breeze i dont think she would have made the face that she did when she turned around. She made that face because he really was standing behind her. Thats what i think anyway.
Over all a great series i dont hold my breath for season 2 but there is enough story to do 1 or 2 OVA's that would be nice. OH yeah seeing Kuuya still in that childlike state broke my heart all over again. Hope everyone had fun i sure did
Yes Aruru is best little kid if any anime. I never find her annoying even when she cries or whines.
It'd be great if an OVA is on production on Hakuoro's past and a mini sequel on Touka/Karura. LOL XD
ChainLegacy
2006-09-28, 20:17
Well, I loved this show, but there are some things I don't understand. Why does Hakuoro never think about his life as a human scientist? From what I've gathered, that would probably be his longest 'life,' and even though he fell in love with Mikoto, making his second life perhaps more memorable, it seems like his human life isn't even of relative importance to him. I don't know, if I lived as a normal human being in our society and then suddenly woke up thousands of years later... uh... the past would be pretty important to me.
They also don't say how mankind fell and the artificial beings took over. Did Hakuoro destroy every human? What time period was 'iceman' Hakuoro from? Many questions, no answers. I suppose some people would consider the information to be irrelevant and taking away the mystery would defile the charm of the world Hakuoro is from, but either way I want to know. The Utawarerumono world is fascinating and I wish they would go into it more. Oh well.
I also wish the damn game got translated, cuz from the gamers it seems so much more was explained, though it never will be translated -_-.
roxybudgy
2006-09-28, 20:28
I was really looking forwards to the end. It felt rushed, I mean, I watch, it ends, and it's like 'Huh, over already?'. I guess it can't be helped for a 26 episode long series, but it's good.
I also wish the damn game got translated, cuz from the gamers it seems so much more was explained, though it never will be translated -_-.
http://www.soylations.com/site/
It might take a long long time for the game to get translated though, but I wouldn't say it would never happen.
panzerfan
2006-09-28, 23:34
I agree with those sentiments with the loose ends from that whole flashback episode. (Right now though my staying-up high has just left me after my mad blitz through the entire series +school in <24hr so my mind is not coherent enough to delve deeply into it. Ima gonna drop dead.)
Cardiac Glycoside
2006-09-28, 23:50
I just thought of something.
Yuzuha didn't die! Kamyu must have been playing around with magic and just turned her into a rock.
Deathkillz
2006-09-29, 12:05
Yes Aruru is best little kid if any anime. I never find her annoying even when she cries or whines.
that is really true :) aruru crying = you want to hug her...while others you want to shoot :p
that is really true :) aruru crying = you want to hug her...while others you want to shoot :p
Welcome to the world of moe.
Well, that was a nice episode, and I loved this anime. One of the best shows I've seen lately. I was a bit disappointed by the end... only a bit, though:
I was sad to see that Kuuya still remained in that state, like a child. Also, Yuzuha's death. :( But at least it seems that Hakuoro returns... or at least that's what I think after watching the last few seconds. :)
I think I prefer totally pleasing endings in anime (like Scrapped Princess), but Utawarerumono's ending was stil very nice, and I liked it. :)
panzerfan
2006-09-29, 16:56
Aruru is... hardcore... for some reason that's what I think of when I look back at her. Time and time again she disobays Hakuoro's order and puts herself in utter peril to save her him, and rides with his army on pivotal battles. I remember when she seeks out the location of the bridge that Kucca Kecha expeditionary forces use as well as shielding Hakuouro from Mutsumi to protect him. It's kind of funny how that the end of the series would make you wonder if Mutsumi should start calling Aruru as her little sister now that the whole story's out.
Frankly, there's actually more than enough to go on for sequal (although it won't happen). Aruru has alot of potential to take after Hakuoro's footsteps...
Well, I loved this show, but there are some things I don't understand. Why does Hakuoro never think about his life as a human scientist? From what I've gathered, that would probably be his longest 'life,' and even though he fell in love with Mikoto, making his second life perhaps more memorable, it seems like his human life isn't even of relative importance to him. I don't know, if I lived as a normal human being in our society and then suddenly woke up thousands of years later... uh... the past would be pretty important to me.
hint: amnesia.
He lost memory when he was awakened as Iceman.
He lost memory again when he was saved by Eruru.
He didn't regain these memories back until the last episode.
They also don't say how mankind fell and the artificial beings took over. Did Hakuoro destroy every human? What time period was 'iceman' Hakuoro from? Many questions, no answers.
It doesn't say, but it's mentioned that the surface world was contaminated, and it took long time (hundreds? thousands? of years) to clense itself.
Humans were living underground, and lost immunity to many virus and germs, and was too weakened to live on the surface.
They found iceman, and researched him.. and from from studying his DNA, they created those humanoid specimen with immune system strong enough to live on the surface.
Time periods between these periods are not mentioned.
Here's the general idea:
1. Present, or close to present time: Archaeologist was killed near the petrified god.
2. Not too distant future: Earth surface contaminated. Most likely a world-wide apocalypse of some sort.
3. Far in the future: humans living in shelter, found iceman.
created beings that can live in the surface world, and work for them.
Researched iceman to create mask that can keep them alive on surface also.
Humans pissed off iceman, and were turned into slimes.
4. Even further in future (dozens, hundreds of generations later): Utawarerumono present time.
Now, there's a bit more story in the game that wasn't shown in the anime.
The shelter iceman was at was in Japan.
There were other shelters around the globe.
However, when the scientists in Japan shelter were turned into slimes, The other shelters around the world decided to abandon them, and destroy them with satelite laser system.
The slimes cursed the world, and wished death to them all.
The god, Uytsuarunemitea (the angered Dii side) heared their call, and demanded Mutusmi to kill all humans around the world.
Mutsumi hacked the Amateras laser system, and used it to bring death to all shelters around the world.
Hence, the total genocide of human race was complete, and only the humanoids that fled to the surface world were left on earth.
illusion
2006-09-30, 07:32
hint: amnesia.
He lost memory when he was awakened as Iceman.
He lost memory again when he was saved by Eruru.
He didn't regain these memories back until the last episode.
It doesn't say, but it's mentioned that the surface world was contaminated, and it took long time (hundreds? thousands? of years) to clense itself.
Humans were living underground, and lost immunity to many virus and germs, and was too weakened to live on the surface.
They found iceman, and researched him.. and from from studying his DNA, they created those humanoid specimen with immune system strong enough to live on the surface.
Time periods between these periods are not mentioned.
Here's the general idea:
Present, or close to present time: Archaeologist was killed near the petrified god.
Not too distant future: Earth surface contaminated. Most likely a world-wide apocalypse of some sort.
Far in the future: humans living in shelter, found iceman.
created beings that can live in the surface world, and work for them.
Researched iceman to create mask that can keep them alive on surface also.
Humans pissed off iceman, and were turned into slimes.
Even further in future (dozens, hundreds of generations later): Utawarerumono present time.
Now, there's a bit more story in the game that wasn't shown in the anime.
The shelter iceman was at was in Japan.
There were other shelters around the globe.
However, when the scientists in Japan shelter were turned into slimes, The other shelters around the world decided to abandon them, and destroy them with satelite laser system.
The slimes cursed the world, and wished death to them all.
The god, Uytsuarunemitea (the angered Dii side) heared their call, and demanded Mutusmi to kill all humans around the world.
Mutsumi hacked the Amateras laser system, and used it to bring death to all shelters around the world.
Hence, the total genocide of human race was complete, and only the humanoids that fled to the surface world were left on earth.
Wow, thanks for all the info.
The end of Utawarerumono is one of the best, if not the best anime ending iv'e seen. I got really emotional when Aruruu started crying, and it just continued to the end of the ep. The kiss between Hakuoro and Eruruu is one of the best scenes ever, though it probably has alot to do with the music. Im playing Suara - Kimi ga Tame over and over again on my comp. :D
ZeRoGravity
2006-10-01, 00:53
Ok, after reading some of the posts, I am finally started to understand more about Hakuoro. Though it will take me a few days to obsorb all these info, but im still confuse about Eruru.
Is Eruru Mikoto(clone)? or is she her daughter that Hakuoro had with Mikoto?
Deathkillz
2006-10-01, 06:43
Ok, after reading some of the posts, I am finally started to understand more about Hakuoro. Though it will take me a few days to obsorb all these info, but im still confuse about Eruru.
Is Eruru Mikoto(clone)? or is she her daughter that Hakuoro had with Mikoto?
eruru is mikoto's great great great great great great great great great fck knows how many great grand daugther
^ I wanted to add onto this, and I can't believe I forgot to include this in the analysis. >_< Here's what I have to say, summerized:
The fact that we don't know exactly how many generations passed between the Iceman incident and when Utawarerumono tooks place means there's no proof of their relationship being incest. It would be if the time span was like 5-10 generations apart , but we live in a world where evidence is fact. Because we have no evidence, it cannot be incest.
And it wouldn't be logical to say it was even if several eons had passed because that would be like saying all the 6 billion people on this earth was committing incest right now since we all come from the same father and mother, Adam and Eve.
This is my justification on why their relationship is fitting and appropriate.
relentlessflame
2006-10-01, 15:27
The fact that we don't know exactly how many generations passed between the Iceman incident and when Utawarerumono tooks place means there's no proof of their relationship being incest. It would be if the time span was like 5-10 generations apart , but we live in a world where evidence is fact. Because we have no evidence, it cannot be incest.
And it wouldn't be logical to say it was even if several eons had passed because that would be like saying all the 6 billion people on this earth was committing incest right now since we all come from the same father and mother, Adam and Eve.
This is my justification on why their relationship is fitting and appropriate.Well, clearly... :heh:
I doubt it takes nearly that many generations (not even 10) before it becomes a wash (in terms of genetic risk to offspring). Even if you set Adam and Eve aside, some say that everyone on the whole planet is related if you go back some 30-32 generations (or around 1200 years). For practical purposes in your day to day lives you probably wouldn't have to go that far back. In any case, it'd be a huge stretch to call their relationship incest; I just can't imagine anyone trying to seriously make that claim. Too many degrees of separation.
White Manju Bun
2006-10-01, 15:57
^ I wanted to add onto this, and I can't believe I forgot to include this in the analysis. >_< Here's what I have to say, summerized:
The fact that we don't know exactly how many generations passed between the Iceman incident and when Utawarerumono tooks place means there's no proof of their relationship being incest. It would be if the time span was like 5-10 generations apart , but we live in a world where evidence is fact. Because we have no evidence, it cannot be incest.
And it wouldn't be logical to say it was even if several eons had passed because that would be like saying all the 6 billion people on this earth was committing incest right now since we all come from the same father and mother, Adam and Eve.
This is my justification on why their relationship is fitting and appropriate.
I was totally thinking that when they kissed and Hakuoro made the ref to Mikoto but what you said makes it sound better.
A Karura/Touka OVA would be awesome! I love when Touka said she's still immatrue.
Man the ending was depressing and but it was very good. I didnt expect Yuzuha to die but I get why it was done.
Just one ques when Eruruu's turns around at the end, who is she seeing? Im assuming its Hakuoro so can we have an OVA on that please!
Yeah, we were meant to assume it's Hakuoro in person. The game clearly slaps it in front of your face but in the anime it's totally inconclusive. Notice the wind blowing in the last three scenes - Kuuya/Sakuya, Kamyu/Aruruu, and Eruruu. They all get very familiar sensations as it blows by. It could be him. Then again, it could be a wiff of really tasty pound cake. -.-
Just assume it's him. Let Eruruu smile in peace. = D
And yep, it does sound better doesn't it? = o
ZeRoGravity
2006-10-01, 17:14
Thx for clearing up my question. Now I have another.
Hakuoro was the scientist that got shot, he became part of the whatever-his-name-is God. He got unfrozen etc. etc. So, who is Dii? I know hes the other part but what other part? Is the Dii the original representation of the whatever-his-name-is God where Hakuoro accidentally just became part of him?
Hakuoro was the scientist that got shot, he became part of the whatever-his-name-is God. He got unfrozen etc. etc. So, who is Dii? I know hes the other part but what other part? Is the Dii the original representation of the whatever-his-name-is God where Hakuoro accidentally just became part of him?
These are particularly tough questions to answer. Since I'm not really fluent in Japanese, and Dii's colorful language didn't make translating any easier, half the time I'm left scratching my head trying to hook words and phrases together. I could use Renegade334's assistance on this, but here's how I understand it:
So we know Iceman got unfrozen and we know he got resealed by Mutsumi, right? From what Dii said during his cataclysmic fight with Hakuoro in episode 26 (and I stated this in my synopsis of the episode on page 2 of this thread), Mutsumi's effort caused a secondary effect to occur during the sealing process. It split the angry and compassionate personalities apart - probably just their souls and not their bodies.
This is because at some point in the future, Dii traveled to the undergrounds of Onkamiyamukai and found this beast. When he got in proximity with the creature, the angry soul placed himself within Diii. Iceman woke up at the same time, the compassionate side within him. He realized what had happened and fought Dii to try and contain himself. This attempt ended in failure, and in the midst of their fighting, earthquakes shook the ground, and Iceman was presumably drawn to the artifact that still remained in the world: Mikoto's ring amulet. This is how he chose Eruruu...out of all the people in the world to care for him.
Now, when I say compassionate and angry, I don't want you to take it literally. I'm making generalizations to separate their personalities. One took pleasure in turning the humans into slimes (that personality went to Dii), the other didn't want to ease his anger by taking it out on everybody (the Iceman personality). Is this making any sense so far?
Remember, Dii was mortal. He was flesh-and-blood like any other winged people like Urutorii and Kamyu and Munto and Waabe. Urutorii said he was a philosopher for her people who disappeared several years ago. You can assume that Dii chose the hermit life and/or disappeared the moment he made contact with the entity.
Hakuoro is the guy that slept his way into the future. He was the guy who got shot. He was the guy who got possessed in the first place. He was the guy the scientists found under the Earth. He was the guy who got sealed by Mutsumi. He was the guy that Dii found after uncertain amount of time passed.
And Dii is the one who took a shard of Hakuoro to become his cynical self.
If this doesn't make any sense to you, I'll try reexplaining it in simpler terms.
The fault I felt for the last episode is that did not live up to my expectations. The clash of the titans could not develop into a thundering climax, and Hakuoro's farewell depart to everyone else seemed campy.
Everything else including also music, story, and animation went well.
Basically, the scientists recapture Iceman and Mikoto. They made replicas of the mask as a means to likely find their way to immortality and dissected Mikoto.
Iceman went on a murderous rage, and thus the vengeful side of Witsuarnimitea was borned. He granted the scientist's wish for immortality and turned them all into slime.
From within the soul, Iceman pleaded to stop but was useless. Mutsumi finally reached him (her father) and released him. It causes the catastrophe on the world and Witsuarnimitea having his soul splitted into two parts- the vengeful one (which Dii found and possesed him) and the compassionate one (which Hakuoro acts as its avatar).
The compassionate one subdued the vengeful one to absorb it back to become one soul. Now speaking as Hakuoro he recovered his memories and asked Urotorii to seal himself, knowing well that as a long as he exists then his other self will also and the vicious cycle to instigate war and hatred will continue.
Mutsumi's soul left Kamyu. She and Urotorii chanted the sealing spell. Hakuoro pleaded to everyone else to injure him, because the vengeful side was attempting to break free, but he contained it.
Everyone relunctantly complied and the winged sisters sealed Witsuarnimitea forever.
Hakuoro's spirit had one last meeting with everyone. Aruruu did not want him to leave but made her certain that as long as Eruruu is by her side she won't feel lonely.
Cut to Hakuoro saying his last words to Eruruu. She finally finds her courage to confess that she truly loves Hakuoro and wants to come with him. He violently replies she cannot go where he's heading.
Eruruu tells him there's no more need to feel lonely, and he'll always have her, their family, and friends.
Unexpectedly, she promptly kisses Hakuoro, and he thanks her for everything.
Just as he's leaving, he promises to Eruruu that one day they will meet again.
Some questions:
1. Did Mutsumi finally rest in peace?
2. What did Hakuoro said to everyone before leaving?
At the very end, they left somewhat open for the ending. Both Eruruu and Aruruu see someone surprised at first but their faces change to a smile, as if they are familiar with whom or what are seeing.
Could it be that they saw Hakuoro returning back to them?
What is the name of the song played from when Hakuoro says goodbye to Eruruu until the end of the epilogue?
Aryeztur
2006-10-01, 19:45
I like this type of series. I was wondering if someone could recomend a similar series to me? I'm new to Anime...I've watched Samurai 7 before and that got me into Utawarerumono. I also liked Fate Stay Night and Tengou Tenge and am watching Rurouni Kenshin. So, is there another series along those lines?
Guido, most of your answers are right here lol (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=687176&postcount=23):eyebrow: :eyebrow: :eyebrow:
As for Mutsumi...
can't exactly say that she "left" Kamyu's body. Better to assume she went back to her repressed state.
Probably one of the stronger endings I've seen in some time. Knowing how strong the bond was between them all, no matter how ugly things got to the end, accepted was the fact that as strong as they felt for Hakuoro, their duty and professionalism stood strong. Oh,.. poor Aruruu. Can't fault her for her tears. To for her to know that she will likely be losing a father...
Probably the greatest reaction of all, no matter what they seen of Hakuoro, the beast, a god, ...what they saw was just Hakuoro. But perhaps just an reach too far for Urutorii, ...to maybe in her just seeing Hakuoro as a god. But of what she was asked, if correct as to Hakuoro practically being her god, for her to be told to seal Hakuoro away, a crime as they called it. In a way as to say, if your god told you to kill your god, that god being the only one, could you, would you do it? And in the circumstances seen, shows Urutorii's strength.
Eruruu... Let no one say that this series has been without romance! Oh Lordi, no matter the pain, no matter the blood,.. yet as good as Hakuoro is, she certainly does love a monster man.
Yet overall in the end,
Never could really figure out the gender of those damned twins.
Most sad in the end. And the time likely passing of course after Hakuoro's departure.
To of what Yuzuha of the Utawarerumono game is known. To here in the Anime, could almost say her loss of Hakuoro may have weakened her so. Yet with Oboro remaining strong, that just perhaps, it was just her time. Only, with Oboro's new journey ahead, and his not taking the throne, ...doesn't seem that he see's himself as a Hakuoro yet. And should he feel that perhaps he wasn't able to be a Hakuoro to her, with after her passing, that perhaps the journey also in part to a greater sadness. Where here, Oboro practically goes as far to depart from everyone, as well as the twins. But as it seems, to maybe what they believe, it appears that nobody is going to put blame on him ...Oboro.
The game script perhaps as to what I could only imagine, it probably would've been, beautiful.
...
Although on the flip side, most would say Hakuoro killed Yuzuha either way between the two.
White Manju Bun
2006-10-01, 21:43
I like this type of series. I was wondering if someone could recomend a similar series to me? I'm new to Anime...I've watched Samurai 7 before and that got me into Utawarerumono. I also liked Fate Stay Night and Tengou Tenge and am watching Rurouni Kenshin. So, is there another series along those lines?
you might want to chk here Suggestions (http://forums.animesuki.com/forumdisplay.php?f=15)
Aryeztur
2006-10-01, 22:30
The matter of who ends up sitting on the throne is also left unsettled. Oboro goes off and tells Benawi to take care of things...so does Benawi become Emperor/Regent?
panzerfan
2006-10-01, 22:51
Regency probabilly. Actually I am wondering at the possibility that Oboro might see himself as a regent as well and hands the throne to Aruruu when she grows up (I can't see Eruruu accepting the hotseat)... that would make for a great story with the empress and her sworn friends/allies carry on the legacy of the great god.
Aryeztur
2006-10-01, 22:54
Why Aruru? Technically, as Hakuoro's eldest child (albiet adopted), Eruru should inherit the throne.
panzerfan
2006-10-01, 22:58
It's just a feeling that I have given the nature of Eruru versus Aruru. Aruru actually shares alot of the traits that are present with the heroes of the court as well as her dad, being decisive, charismatic, brave and actually even imaginative. That girl stays together despite some really tragic consequences and fights for her family's right to exist agressively. Given who's involved in the court, she would be protected and supported by Hakuoro's former subjects without question.
(that and I can actually see Aruru raising a sword against Mutsumi should she had one in her defense of her father... )
Why Aruru? Technically, as Hakuoro's eldest child (albiet adopted), Eruru should inherit the throne.
Although they refer to each other as family, I get the feeling that Hakuoro and Eruru have the roles of lovers and parents and Aruru has the role of the daughter, and even refers to him as a father. Eruru was never adopted in any sense nor did she ever assume the role of a daughter like Aruru; even when Hakuoro was oblivious to her feelings for him, I remember he referred to her as "kind of like a sister."
Then, family roles aside, I think Aruru's personality will be more fit to that of a leader when she grows up.
edit: good god, Shadow Warrior Chronicles. I'd forgotten about that.. brilliant monstrosity of a name. Why couldn't they play along and go with Underwater Ray Romano? Or if seriously, a literal translation of the title? I don't see any Shadow Warriors anywhere.
Aryeztur
2006-10-01, 23:50
That may be true, but in a cultural like that depicted in the series, it is unlikely the older sister would be passed over for the younger one. Besides, Eruru is more kind and nurturing than Aruru which is why I think she would make a better ruler. And nobody else seems to think the romance between Eruru and Hakuoro is kind of weird when he's old/tall enough to be her father...
Cardiac Glycoside
2006-10-02, 01:42
My thoughts on succession:
--Benawi is too honorable to go against Hakuoro's last commands. Even with a ruler he detested (Inkara) he had to at least find honorable explanations for rebelling against him; how could he go against some to whom he is greatful?
At best, he will consider himself a regent, but not the Emperor.
--Oboro's reason for rejecting the throne is that he is too young. Which implies to me that he may reconsider it once he becomes older. He has matured to the point where he can correct his weaknesses, so perhaps he has considered training himself in prudence before doing anything crazy. I think he might become Emperor eventually, since he also respects Hakuoro a lot. (Of course, if Hakuoro returns, I can also see him abdicating).
--Kurou has demonstrated a very poor capacity for thinking for himself, so I doubt he will get the throne.
--Dorii and Gura would rather liquor up and rape Oboro.
--Urutorii is now Oruyankuru, so technically that is a higher ranking position than Hakuoro ever had (if you ignore that he was THE Onkami). Short of annexing Tusukuru, I doubt Urutorii will rule.
--Karura already objected to the idea of living as royalty. She is far too "bohemian." At best I think a personality cult will overthrow Derihourai, but his is not the country we are interested in.
--Touka seems to have no abilities beyond swordfighting. And is easily led astray (by Orikakan, Karura).
--Aruruu shows a little promise. She turned another would-be Mutikapa into a lovable, fluffy tank that is selective of her targets. How is that for reining in your men? But I doubt her ability to lead. How could she be a good authority figure if she made a career of going against authority?
--Eruruu: good for peacetime, bad for wartime. I cannot believe that when Tusukuru was in danger of annihilation in episode 9, all she can think about was how distant Hakuoro seemed. Good leadership calls for looking beyond one's own personal life and helping through crises....
I am nearly asleep while writing this, so if something doesn't make sense, I don't care...
panzerfan
2006-10-02, 03:31
Well Aruru might have gone against the authority but she is in accordance with a greater agenda, in preserving her family doing whatever she can despite going against the roles. (Mutsumi, being totally obdient actually looks worse to me in being able to serves as an authority...)
I don't see Aruru as someone that is at blatant disregard to authority but somebody that acts beyond the partisanships that are set for her own safety to serve the greater purpose. She knows the risks and puts her own life on the line... and well knowing both that she will face the consequences for her actions like her father when he started the revolt in the countryside. She and those that goes on her expedition (like the trip back to Yamayura and finding the crucial bridge with Kamyu. We may have seen her picking up flowers but she must have also seen the razed ruins as well...)
Urutorii if anything has almost a familial tie to Tsuskuru now. The two courts came and acted on a crisis that is at the heart of her own race and having an idea about how Aruru+Eruru fits into the bloodline that's in her race and all and having to serve the great god's order to her (being arbitrator for further conflicts), Tsuskuru is more than a strategic and ideological partner. I think she will be a stunch foundation and support for the entire court of Tsuskuru despite being away from it.
Yeah, we were meant to assume it's Hakuoro in person. The game clearly slaps it in front of your face but in the anime it's totally inconclusive. Notice the wind blowing in the last three scenes - Kuuya/Sakuya, Kamyu/Aruruu, and Eruruu. They all get very familiar sensations as it blows by. It could be him. Then again, it could be a wiff of really tasty pound cake. -.-
The anime does have Kuuya sputtering out an 'owro/oro' at the end. Personally, I thought it was more predictable in the anime, because the mood wasn't one of tragedy/loss. Thus, you don't need as much prodding as in the game.
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I have a question, sorry if it has been asked before, what is that satellite thing in orbit? Mutsumi used it when she tried to seal IceMan. I thought their power are magic based, not "lost technology" based..?
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I have a question, sorry if it has been asked before, what is that satellite thing in orbit? Mutsumi used it when she tried to seal IceMan. I thought their power are magic based, not "lost technology" based..?
Ok...
That is the Ameteratsu Satellite. In canon Utawarerumono history, the array was designed to destroy all of the last human underground facilities should anything catastrophic occur. Indeed, something did. All the humans turned into slimes, but that wasn't why it was used. It was used by Mutsumi because as you said, she was sealing Iceman through some crazy-daisy procedure.
However, in the anime series, the array does seem a little anonymous since nothing is mentioned about it until you see it. I guess you're suppose to go "what they hey" and shrug it off.
One can only asssume that because of Witsuarumetia's pressence, the experiments within were able to survive and none of the other ones around the planet did. But you're not really suppose to know that, are you...?
Their power? You probably mean just Mutsumi. There's no way to fathom just what kind of power she has. But as for everyone else, safe to say it's pretty much magic or telekinetics with light flares. = o
Deathkillz
2006-10-02, 17:16
[Their power? You probably mean just Mutsumi. There's no way to fathom just what kind of power she has. But as for everyone else, safe to say it's pretty much magic or telekinetics with light flares. = o
she has the power to control death rays from space :D now that is ownage lol!
Thanks for the explanation, but it just brings up more questions. Seems logical doesn’t work on some of the little details. Yeah, I should just listen to you and let it go before I ruin it, lol, silly me
Common, they've got magical rings opening doors, funky ears, and even a god popping in and out of form. A satellite is the least of your concerns :p
kauldron26
2006-10-02, 18:07
guys vote high for utawarerumono on ANIDB.net. It is currently number 6!
does anyone kno wut the song was in the last episode?
Mmm, why does Hakuoro have to be sealed? Can't they just seal the monster in him instead? I want an alternate ending!!!
Red_eyes
2006-10-04, 17:18
Just one thing - who was Mutsumi? How come she had the power to call down some satellite's beam? Why was she encased in ice? What makes her special from other "Multi's"? Can someone who played the game please clarify? It would be appreciated.
As far as I can recall, Mutsumi was just another artificial lifeform/experiment. Why she had access to the Ameteratsu Satellite? Why she has all her special powers? Valid questions, but I don't recall any of those questions having answers. I guess the scientiest designed her a little too well. Maybe she was intended to have her telekinetic powers to begin with (which makes her especially different than the other Multis by a long shot). I guess we're meant to take it as it is.
Note that Mutsumi's number is 63, a surprisingly lower number than Mikoto (3510). This could be a clue to something. Perhaps an earlier, more powerful experiment that was deemed too powerful, and later productions were meant to be more...timid.
You never see her encased in ice/a crystal in game. In the anime, it was used as an illustration to show how she was abandoned when Iceman and Mikoto left for the surface.
In short, we're left speculating on the details.
Red_eyes
2006-10-05, 01:43
Thanks Zaris, I suppose we'll never really know! But I don't think Iceman (anyone else find that name cheesy?) even realized Mutsumi existed! How could he abandon someone he never knew existed? I suppose Mutsumi just misunderstood. Anyhow, one last question, who gave birth to Eruru and who was her father? It's not actually the masked Hakuoro is it? It was just never revealed? So basically she's in love with her great great grandfather or something along those lines?
Cardiac Glycoside
2006-10-05, 02:49
Anyhow, one last question, who gave birth to Eruru and who was her father? Tusukuru's daughter-in-law. Someone else who happened to be named Hakuoro and wore the same clothes, minus the mask.
To: Zaris
Answer to why Mutsumi is significantly diffrent from other humanoid experiments....
As far as I can recall, Mutsumi was just another artificial lifeform/experiment. Why she had access to the Ameteratsu Satellite? Why she has all her special powers? Valid questions, but I don't recall any of those questions having answers. I guess the scientiest designed her a little too well. Maybe she was intended to have her telekinetic powers to begin with (which makes her especially different than the other Multis by a long shot). I guess we're meant to take it as it is.
This part wasn't explained in the anime.
Mutsumi was the "closest DNA sample" to Iceman.
Because her genes were so close to the god, she gained many supernatural abilities... including hacking the Amaterasu system.
ALL the experment humanoids are based on Iceman's DNA, but hers was the closest to him. She's almost a clone of him.
Ahhhh, thanks for clarifying that important detail for me, aohige. I never would've figured it out. But then...
the multi experiments never started, if not never would have started, if the human hadn't discovered Iceman in the first place? I was under the impression that Iceman was discovered halfway through their research for immunity to live on the surface. Maybe I was under a false impression then.
And yeppers, Tousukuru's daughter-in-law gave birth to Eruruu. We know this from the events in episode 1. Her son's clothes, the striking resemblance. Perhaps Iceman purposefully changed into an appearance that would be most comfortable to Eruruu...?
panzerfan
2006-10-05, 10:55
(although... Eruru+ Aruru should actually be quite a bit closer to Iceman genetically comparing to the rest of'em. They are 'direct offsprings' of many generations... )
Ahhhh, thanks for clarifying that important detail for me, aohige. I never would've figured it out. But then...
the multi experiments never started, if not never would have started, if the human hadn't discovered Iceman in the first place? I was under the impression that Iceman was discovered halfway through their research for immunity to live on the surface. Maybe I was under a false impression then.
And yeppers, Tousukuru's daughter-in-law gave birth to Eruruu. We know this from the events in episode 1. Her son's clothes, the striking resemblance. Perhaps Iceman purposefully changed into an appearance that would be most comfortable to Eruruu...?
Well, that's half true.
They most likely WERE infact, researching genes that can survive in the surface world.
No idea how far they were in the research when they found Iceman, but discovery of Iceman brought HUGE improvements to their research.
If they didn't find him, humanity may have gone extinct in the long run anyways.
As for Hakuoro's appearance, who knows.
It doesn't seem to be hinted that he looks anything like their father though.
Hakuoro's appearance (as well as Iceman's) is probably based on the archeologist that was killed many years ago (during OUR time).
I was just wondering, why did Hakurou call Eruruu "Mikoto" at the end and saying that now he realizes. What did he realize and is there something between Mikoto and Eruruu?
PastPrime
2006-10-07, 10:54
I was just wondering, why did Hakurou call Eruruu "Mikoto" at the end and saying that now he realizes. What did he realize and is there something between Mikoto and Eruruu?
I think he realized that Eruru was the reincarnation of Mikoto.
Red_eyes
2006-10-08, 23:04
I think he realized that Eruru was the reincarnation of Mikoto.
I think he means that he realized he's an ancestor of Eruru (it all began with Mikoto + Hakuoro).
Runningkid
2006-10-11, 10:29
so is ice man and hakuoro the same person?
so is ice man and hakuoro the same person?
uh..... no shit? XD
REJOICE I CAN FINALLY WATCH UTAWARERUMONO TO COMPLETION by buying the official DVDs!
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errrh. yeah. :heh:
REJOICE I CAN FINALLY WATCH UTAWARERUMONO TO COMPLETION by buying the official DVDs!
Can you really ? I wonder...
Considering there are no official dvds that you can watch utawa to completion...
juventas
2006-10-14, 01:50
Was there ever an explanation about Hakuoro just before Eruru found him unconscious? What's all this about killing his family and his brother-in-law coming after him?
Cardiac Glycoside
2006-10-14, 02:12
That is... a loose end, apparently.
To answer your question, Hakuoro is not Rak Shine.
combat kitten
2006-10-14, 20:07
does that hakuro = ice man means he is eruru and aruru's great great great greaaaaaaaaat grandfather? o_o
relentlessflame
2006-10-14, 20:31
does that hakuro = ice man means he is eruru and aruru's great great great greaaaaaaaaat grandfather? o_oYup, though how many generations back we have no idea. Being so many generations removed, though, the blood connection is still very loose (for practical/genetic purposes, they might as well be strangers).
There was something Iceman said about a "father" when he gave the child the ring does anyone know what he was saying and what it meant?
Xellos-_^
2006-10-14, 21:47
Don't know what the hell happen, i was going to vote 9 vote good and i accidentally ended voting 2 very bad.
Discount that 1 very bad vote.
I think he means that he realized he's an ancestor of Eruru (it all began with Mikoto + Hakuoro).
So Mikoto + Hakurou (iceman) is Eruruu's grand grand grand grand parents to make sure? And Iceman is the same Hakurou within the anime, but Eruruu and Aruruu's dad just looked like Hakurou without the mask?
SilverChakra
2006-10-17, 10:34
So Mikoto + Hakurou (iceman) is Eruruu's grand grand grand grand parents to make sure? And Iceman is the same Hakurou within the anime, but Eruruu and Aruruu's dad just looked like Hakurou without the mask?
I didn't really like ep 26. SO much answers were left unanswered in my opinion. I am glad that Hauoro and Eruruu finally managed to epress their feelings to each other (well actually it was more Eruruu that did it than Hakuoro).
I didn't really understand the baby with the ring thing, but thanks! Now I got me an explanation ^__^
Will there be a season 2??
season 2 aint happening, although im hoping a mini series of touka and karura on their adventures XD
There was something Iceman said about a "father" when he gave the child the ring does anyone know what he was saying and what it meant?
That thing was passed to iceman by the scientist who he was friendly with(the one that ask him to flee).seems to act like a security unlocker or something .
Anyone who played the game can give any more information the rak shine plot?
One last thing that Im still confused.
Hakurou is the scientist that got shot and then his blood went onto that fossil. Then he became one with the God and many years later awoke as Iceman which the time the surface was uninhabitable. Then he goes outside with Mikoto cause the lead scientist said they were free to go and becomes a father. Soon after, they get captured by the same scientist and Mikoto gets disected. Iceman goes mad makes them into slime givnig them their urging immortality. Mutsumi seals him but Iceman is fighting with within himself causing a split and then there was the evil one?
depthcharge101
2006-10-19, 06:08
One last thing that Im still confused.
Hakurou is the scientist that got shot and then his blood went onto that fossil. Then he became one with the God and many years later awoke as Iceman which the time the surface was uninhabitable. Then he goes outside with Mikoto cause the lead scientist said they were free to go and becomes a father. Soon after, they get captured by the same scientist and Mikoto gets disected. Iceman goes mad makes them into slime givnig them their urging immortality. Mutsumi seals him but Iceman is fighting with within himself causing a split and then there was the evil one?
well after reading all the posts my answer for that is-
Yea thats why you get the compassionate side (hakuoro) and the crazy violent side. But they are still sealed eventho they are splitted. After a long time, then angel dood (who disppeared) bump into the crazy violent side, awoke him, and then the compassionate side woke up and had a fight. And this causes the earthquake, killing aruruu (but rez'd by hakuoro again) and then the anime starts from here with eruruu.
One big question, why utawarerumono?
Ahh well i found something interesting and it may help in solving most of the question form this website which take abit of reading...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utawarerumono
As mention in the web contains spoiler be warn!!
Should be view who those have fully watched the series or just extra info on the story about
If those who want to know more about iceman read the backstory section
Why Utawarerumono? It's because of the events that transpired in the game. In my opinion, the layout of the anime didn't quite explain it as effectively. You see,
there's a bit of singing that comes from Eruruu. A familiar tune, sorta like Princess Garnet/Dagger from FFIX if you ever played it. One of Hakuoro's last requests was to listen to her song that she had been singing when she treated his injuries. Thus why it's called, "the one being sung". To whom it is being sung to (Hakuoro or Eruruu) is left to the opinion of the viewer, I guess.
Ahhh, wikipedia. You can spend a few days there and learn all kinds of stuff. It's actually a very helpful resource, but bear in mind that they're not 100% correct on some things (and their description of Utawarerumono, particularly its Background text, is no exception. Minor errors, but errors nonetheless).
Ahhh, wikipedia. You can spend a few days there and learn all kinds of stuff. It's actually a very helpful resource, but bear in mind that they're not 100% correct on some things (and their description of Utawarerumono, particularly its Background text, is no exception. Minor errors, but errors nonetheless).
Well if you know more i like you to acknowledge and tell me abit more since form wiki of the backstory (correct title) it true it wasnt 100% as its timeline maybe but I'm that the info on the happening that wasn't mention was some true since I havent played the game yet.
Rall)eon117X
2006-12-30, 01:03
Well, this was just one of the greatest anime ive ever seen!
I have to admit, the reason why i started watchin it in the first place was because a lot of the characters had cute ears and tails ^_^". But after watching the first episode i automatically got hooked and watched it to the very end. And i liked it all (for the most part, but in general, it was awesome!)
Thoughts on final episode:
You wouldnt believe how mad i got when i heard they 'dismantled' poor Mikoto. She was really cute too! (i really liked her ears for some reason, and i felt like i saw them somewhere before...maybe on that little rabbit-like creature that's in Zaris's sig right above this post).
However, i was extremely happy to see that Hakuoro pwned them all by turning them into blobs for shattering his heart, his hopes, and all his dreams. He had finally found happiness and then they go dismantle her. What memories he had that i would definitely not want to happen to me.
It's great to see that Eruruu showed her feelings, and kissed him. I was waiting for that a long while (since like episode 1 when he stroked her tail :P). She took the initiative and wasnt afraid to show her feelings at all. I really liked that, as she was more reserved in the other episodes.
After all this though, i didnt cry, even though i was on the verge of it when Mikoto was dismantled. However, i pretty much broke down when i saw Oboro. At Yuzuha's grave. Really hit me hard there. I really wasnt expecting that at all. Just way too sad. Although im happy she's finally at rest, knowing that all's (mostly) right with the world.
And the very very ending. That made me happy. It's not clear cut, but i love when the story producers can give you such a massive amount of hope, for you to decide the fate. I believe that Hakuoro returned to Eruru. The look on her face pretty much convinced me. Whether or not it was in spirit, body, whatever, i want to believe they were reunited.
Overall comments (WTHeck? Damn long post eh? Cant help it...i really loved this anime):
This story had some of the greatest storytelling and time integration ive ever seen. I bet 99% of us thought this story was in a complete alternate reality in the past or in a feudal era. Finding that it was in the future, in the VERY far future was downright impressive. Greatest thing ive ever seen.
Beautiful battles, overall story, lovely characters, design, development. I really am happy it ended (to me,) to a satisfying ending, but i wish there were more now. I really hope to find another anime as epic and cool as this soon! This is the reason why i like anime. For series like Utawarerumono!
Well, this was just one of the greatest anime ive ever seen!
I have to admit, the reason why i started watchin it in the first place was because a lot of the characters had cute ears and tails ^_^". But after watching the first episode i automatically got hooked and watched it to the very end. And i liked it all (for the most part, but in general, it was awesome!)
I gotta agree with this :heh:
This is one of those typical (super rare) anime with seemingly simple story , but with a hidden background. The last few episodes kinda resemble the end of Trigun.
And his evil side , that might be god itself. Although , there's the possibility that the god is neutral and the evil side was created when the monster fused with angel Dii. Here's a theory.
Hakuoro was a scientist , he was killed , and his blod was absorbed by the dead monster/god. That monster doesnt look like a good guy at all. But , obviously , we forgot something very important.....why is the monster "dead"? I presume that somebody sealed it for a very long time , since it looks like that thing can't die no matter what.
My theory is that this evil creature rules the humanity , until somebody seals it for some time. So basicly , thats a neverending circle. Only , this time , Hakuoro's blood is fused with the creature. The creature gains a human body due to Hakuoro's DNA or somthing like that and a "good side" which is Hakuoro.
few centuries pass....
The scientists find Hakuoro (and the monster within him) frozen and they do some experiments with him. He goes on a rampage and transforms all (non geneticly moidified) humans into slime.
I believe that sometime after that he gets "purified" by the laser beam , and he is sealed again. That angel guy goes on a journey from his homeland , finds the monster's dead body and he fuses with it. We dont know how , but probbably the same way Hakuoro did. Let's say he dies somehow.
Since the monster fused with 2 humans (maybe the angel is evil and the difference between good and evil is much greater then before , or the evil part needed another host) , now it can split into 2 parts .
2 parts awaken , they fight , the good side gets wounded , Aruruu dies during the battle. Good side revives Aruruu and signes a contract with Eruruu. Since the good side is wounded from the battle , it transforms into his human form Hakuoro.
Eruruu forgets all this because of the shock of her sister dying. The anime begins from here....
Hey all,
Just got finished watching Utwarerumono in the last couple days. Splendid anime if I do say so myself. I enjoyed it a lot, especially the comedy. Anyway, on to what i think of the last episode...
What the hell happened? I really liked this anime (and still do) but I was soooo let down by the ending. besides being so damn confused (which happens a lot to me so it's okay) I couldn't help but notice the fact that Yuzuha got the shortest end of the spectrum in the last few episodes.
I enjoyed all the scenes she was in and can understand that they didn't really give her a story but, why did they cut her so short at the end? Hell, I don't even remember seeing her at episode 25 or 24 (it's 6am so don't quote me on that). The last time I remember seeing her was when she went "Cough" yup, that's right, "cough"
Cut scene to Grave...
26 was Horrible!
Suffice to say, in an effort to stay true to the sequence of events that happened in the actual game the anime was basing it on, they ran out of time trying to explain everything in a consise manner. It would be nice if they spelled everything out to you, but the game was no better. Plus, Yuzuha received the cut for explicit censorship reasons.
I too agree that Yuzuha had absolutely zero time to speak (in fact, she didn't have any!). But then, she didn't in the game, and converting that to drama on television results even worse. On Yuzuha's part, it was a failure waiting to happen.
HurricaneHige
2007-03-21, 14:19
I'm not so sure Hakuro's actually Eruru's great * X grandfather, becuz the baby of Mikoto was also disected no? Therefore there are no "direct" offspring from iceman really, they r all just modify beings coming from Hakuro's DNA, and since they r modified...not real blood relations. Just a theory
just finish watch the utaware....the ending is...
make me sad and touching ....
I got a question, I'll ask it though I doubt anyone would be able to answer it but here goes. There was a link on the wiki where someone had wrote a full analysis of the series. Kind of like a thesis. But of course it contains spoilers and you have to finish the series. I'm about 6 eps away from the end and I wanted to know if anyone else has an idea of where this link is? Aparently, I saw it on Tuesday but then it disappeared. Or I could have searched is somehow and felt I'd find it again. I'm so stooopid. I shouldn't have just felt I could find it again based on simplicity. If anyone has any idea or know what I'm talking about pass your knowledge along.
roxybudgy
2007-05-17, 18:39
Well, if it was on the wiki, then simply go to "History" and view the older versions of the page. Perhaps the link is there somewhere.
Well, if it was on the wiki, then simply go to "History" and view the older versions of the page. Perhaps the link is there somewhere.
Thanks for your advice, I found it! :bow: I need to get as much info. to understand some things about the ending in comparison with the game. But mostly to understand some things that I was a little lost by. But I will say this was a really great show.
After reading through everyone's comments, I now have a better understanding of the series than I did before. That's what I get for trying to finish the last 6 episodes before going to bed. Not to mention things possibly being rushed to tie up lose ends. You have to come to expect it when they're adapting the story from a game. So of course those that already know the game inside out won't have too much problems. The only thing they might have problems with is the pacing and various edits with the plot. Even if they keep or change some things. But from what I read they seemed to keep things pretty much the same except for a few things.
I will definitely want to own this series. Which I knew I would do. It has so many elements to a lot of my favorite games ('FF', 'BOF', 'Lunar', etc...) Hell, it's based off a fantasy game. If the game was ever ported over I would pick it up. Sadly...
I definitely want to give this series another run. A really great and moving story. I really have to pick it up to show to my friend. Since he wasn't grabbed the first time. But I think he'll like once I feed it to him. Since he likes a lot of the same stuff I do. ;)
TougeSil80
2007-06-29, 01:04
hint: amnesia.
He lost memory when he was awakened as Iceman.
He lost memory again when he was saved by Eruru.
He didn't regain these memories back until the last episode.
It doesn't say, but it's mentioned that the surface world was contaminated, and it took long time (hundreds? thousands? of years) to clense itself.
Humans were living underground, and lost immunity to many virus and germs, and was too weakened to live on the surface.
They found iceman, and researched him.. and from from studying his DNA, they created those humanoid specimen with immune system strong enough to live on the surface.
Time periods between these periods are not mentioned.
Here's the general idea:
1. Present, or close to present time: Archaeologist was killed near the petrified god.
2. Not too distant future: Earth surface contaminated. Most likely a world-wide apocalypse of some sort.
3. Far in the future: humans living in shelter, found iceman.
created beings that can live in the surface world, and work for them.
Researched iceman to create mask that can keep them alive on surface also.
Humans pissed off iceman, and were turned into slimes.
4. Even further in future (dozens, hundreds of generations later): Utawarerumono present time.
Now, there's a bit more story in the game that wasn't shown in the anime.
The shelter iceman was at was in Japan.
There were other shelters around the globe.
However, when the scientists in Japan shelter were turned into slimes, The other shelters around the world decided to abandon them, and destroy them with satelite laser system.
The slimes cursed the world, and wished death to them all.
The god, Uytsuarunemitea (the angered Dii side) heared their call, and demanded Mutusmi to kill all humans around the world.
Mutsumi hacked the Amateras laser system, and used it to bring death to all shelters around the world.
Hence, the total genocide of human race was complete, and only the humanoids that fled to the surface world were left on earth.
Wow, that explained a lot, thanks for the explanations. The series makes more sense now.
Angrypokstick
2007-08-06, 01:08
I'm not so sure Hakuro's actually Eruru's great * X grandfather, becuz the baby of Mikoto was also disected no? Therefore there are no "direct" offspring from iceman really, they r all just modify beings coming from Hakuro's DNA, and since they r modified...not real blood relations. Just a theory
It was never mentioned whether his child was dissected just Mikoto was dissected. And with all the hints they were throwing at you in the anime and game implying that Eruru was Hakuro's descendant one can only assume that the baby somehow survived.
kamikazex
2007-08-13, 06:00
yeah. so im about a year late. but this series was seriously good and is prob one of my top favorites. although the ending wasn't the fairy tale everything turns out perfectly and lives happily ever after kind it still was very great in a way though it kind've left me disappointed because i love the typical everything works out in the end ending. i also like how it explained everything by the last episode. damn wish there was more
I just finished this anime and I am kinda disappointed at the end, I hate endings where the main character or w.e just goes up and leaves and you never see them agian. Also what was the point in killing off yuzuha at the very end?
Better late than never. Spoiler free. ^_^
I enjoyed Utawarerumono immensely. It's the the best anime I've seen, after Death Note. The characters were all so amazing and portrayed extremely well. Whats with all the ears, tails and wings? Hell, I don't know, but I loved it! The Japanese voice acting was also brilliant, Hakuoro's seiyu continued to impress me through the series. The story grabbed me and never let go. I had to think quite a bit to understand it all, but thats one of the best things about it. The back story was very interesting! I never would have thought the animation was done by the same studio that animated Pokemon. Utawarerumono's animation is easily above average, it fit the show extremely well, without ease. I also understand the backgrounds were mostly hand painted. Simply beautiful. The whole world of Utawarerumono is beautiful. The OST is very soothing and really fits the mood of the show. I now love Suara. She sang the opening (Musou Uta) and the song at the end of episode twenty six (Kimi Ga Tame). The ending was very sad (I admit it, I cried), but at the same time it was also so beautiful.
However, after that we find out Yuzuha died!? Are they trying to kill me? I loved Yuzuha! Oboro is so cool by the end of the series though. They also teased us a bit with the ending. It appears that Kamyu and Aruruu notice something in the woods, and also Eruruu seems to notice something behind her, turns around and smiles (lovely smile by the way). Is it Hakuoro!? No one knows!
I could continue to praise Utawarerumono for as long as I live, the series is so amazing. I already own all the DVDs. If they bring out a boxset with some extras I'll buy that aswelll... That reminds me actually. There are also four special DVD episodes, which are absolutely hilarious! It's worth buying the DVDs simply for them. If you haven't seen Utawarerumono yet, why are you reading this? Go and watch it! You won't be disappointed, it is fantastic. Words can't explain how much I loved it.
NightBaron
2009-04-11, 11:18
Since I haven't played the game I might be wrong but...
If Hakuoro's mask falls off then he can't live in my opinion because of the condition of the Earth at that time. Remember, the scientists made a replica of his mask and said that could make them survive on the surface.
Gahhhh!!!!! I hate myself for thinking so much.
P.S. Yes, I know that I'm about 2 years late but I still felt like posting this anyway.
Wow, such an old thread, but I just finished watching and had a quick question here:
I am a little unclear about Hakuoro. When did he obtain godlike status? I understand he was a scholar at first and then found that fossil where another scientist shot him. His blood was absorbed into the fossil etc. And then we see him again waking up with his mask greeted by Mitoko. Did he just regenerate his body or something? Was it because he was shot and his blood got on the fossil that he turned into a god? He was a normal human before that right?
I just don't get how someone with human origin became a god... and how he came back alive after being shot assuming that quite some time has passed already. There is a missing explanation as to what happened to him from the time he was shot and when he woke up with his mask and lived until present time in the anime.
Thanks
It has been awhile since I watched/played Utawarerumono but it is one of my favorite animes so hopefully I remember enough to give a proper answer.
From what I can remember it was Hakouro's blood that had awoken the being inside the fossil. The being than gave Hakouro a basic proposition; allow me to become one with you and I'll give you the power to survive. The mask is just an icon to reflect the fact that the creature is in-fact living inside Hakuoro, or that they are one in the same.
You can think of the creature as the devil so to speak; your soul for _____. Very similar to when he met Eruruu and made a deal with her. In the end I don't think we really know one way or another if that thing was actually a god or not. All we know is that it was worshiped as a deity.
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