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Nightengale

2006-09-28, 23:26

Bartender isn't out in fansubs yet. It's not even showing yet.

I have some minor expectations, but it really depends on the overall presentation.
Will it be a mature and realistic presentation of a relation formed between strangers bridged by cocktails, and how peoples face the sorrows and troubles of their life with the help of others and find lessons in life, accompanied with beautiful, classical piano music arrangements, beautiful visual directing (( these kinds of anime need strong visual directing to help convey emotions better, especially if it's going to be episodic )), and a realistic depiction of both professional bartending and flair bartending without juggling exagerrations?

Or will it be a shouneny unrealistic show where customer comes in, gets drunk, tells life story, and the bartender uses his l33t powahs to juggle 10 bottles in the air, mix his cocktails and offer it to the customer ON TEH HOUSE, the customer drinks it, gets a Chuuka Ichiban-ish/Addicted to Curry-ish reaction, and is revitalized with vigor?

Ummm...since i'm not fluent in Japanese, can someone give a summary for the anime, and is there a manga? <<sorry if it's dumb to ask.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=685007&postcount=781

FatPianoBoy

2006-09-28, 23:32

Well, if the anime will be anything similar to the manga, it'll be the former, Nightengale. The manga is quite mature and believable and doesn't even have furigana, which means that it's probably aimed at the 18-25 crowd.

Kaoru Chujo

2006-09-28, 23:32

Ummm...since i'm not fluent in Japanese, can someone give a summary for the anime, and is there a manga? <<sorry if it's dumb to ask.Random Curiosity's preview of the fall shows (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2006/09/22/fall-2006-shows/) is great resource. It gives a brief and unsympathetic outline. But I think the setup could be good. It all depends on how it's used. According to the Anime News Network Bartender page (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=6816) he links to, yes, there is a manga.This show is about a genius bartender who has an ability called “God’s Glass.” Apparently, he’s so good that he’s able to awaken memories and heal sorrow. Ok, to be honest, I can’t say the words “God’s Glass” without laughing because of how corny it sounds - very much in the we-can-make-an-anime-about-any-topic sense. But this doesn’t sound like this is a competitive bartending anime, but rather a drama about a bartender helping people out.I see there are at least five volumes of the manga, so someone must like it. It appears in a Shueisha magazine called Super Jump (http://sj.shueisha.co.jp/), which is marketed as a magazine for young men (late teens and early twenties).

eggplant

2006-09-29, 06:21

No wonder Bartender is targeted to a mature audience.

Looking at the group photo, the supporting cast/staff look quite....old.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6933/bartenderjv2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Lost

2006-09-29, 06:46

^ They'll prolly play the people that need "healing." Not a bad choice, we'll need really tired voicing. :heh: Anyhow thats good then, I'd prefer a mature theme over a mere bartending compeitition-like theme.

Will it be a mature and realistic presentation of a relation formed between strangers bridged by cocktails, and how peoples face the sorrows and troubles of their life with the help of others and find lessons in life, accompanied with beautiful, classical piano music arrangements, beautiful visual directing (( these kinds of anime need strong visual directing to help convey emotions better, especially if it's going to be episodic )), and a realistic depiction of both professional bartending and flair bartending without juggling exagerrations?
Nicely put; exactly what I want. I suppose the best bartender would be the bartender that could soothe troubled customers with his words or listening ear, rather than throw bottles with "l33t powah."

Sorrow-K

2006-09-29, 07:00

I'll admit it, I'm intrigued, though the intrigue is largely driven by 4chan /a/'s premature non-sensical hype of this series before anyone's even seen an episode. But, the potential's there, both for a masterpiece or a crap-fest. I'm with Lost, though, of Nightengale's two choices, I seriously hope it turns out to be the first one. That's a concept for an unforgettable anime right there. I picture Mushishi, but totally taking place in a bar and minus the supernatural aspect.

If it turns into the second choice, I think I'll bail after a couple of episodes.

Lost

2006-09-29, 07:07

Sorrow-K

2006-09-29, 07:25

Lol.. its interesting the comparision this is getting with Mushishi; I myself can't help thinking of Mushishi when I see Bartender.

Dangerous tho, it may leave us disillusioned with Bartender; like it did with Kino no Tabi for me. :heh:
Ah, the old Mushishi-Kino no Tabi comparison. I saw Kino no Tabi before I saw Mushishi and, even though I'd say Mushish is the better anime, KnT is very, very close to it in my eyes. Both have different strengths and weaknesses though, but they are very interesting anime to compare. I do agree with what you're saying. If we begin to expect Mushishi from Bartender, we're almost certain to be disappointed. Curbing our expectations is the best tactic (as it always is for any new anime), particularly considering that an anime of Mushishi's calibre only comes along maybe once or twice a year.

Rion

2006-09-29, 14:27

If we begin to expect Mushishi from Bartender, we're almost certain to be disappointed.
I second that. From what I can see (from the manga), Bartender rather reminds me of Aria. Don't ask me why... And it features a (regular) bishoujo - yay!

Well, personally I think there are huge differences between Mushishi and Kino no Tabi - except for the fact that both are travelers. Mushishi never questions, say, "systems", Kino does the whole time. Mushishi is, imho, more about interaction between people themselves, Kino is more about the environment in which people live (you might notice that the villages that Ginko visits are basically all the same - they only vary by different characters and mushis). Ginko tries to interact and help all the time - in fact, his proposal of traveling is to help people to get along with mushis, Kino tries to stay out of everything and be neutral. Imho, Ginko is a caring and warm-hearted person who only appears cool on the outside while Kino is seriously emotionally indifferent towards things (except for episode 13) and only acts out of morality and politeness. I even think that the atmosphere of these anime are rather different (Ginko doesn't talk much to himself and you don't have any cheesy monologue/dialogues).

Oh by the way, I prefer Kino no Tabi over Mushishi *hrr* I'm more interested in "systems" than human interaction or mystery after all.

Lost

2006-09-30, 03:15

^ I have to agree with your second paragraph. Further Mushishi is believable and grounded in realism as far as humans are concerned, yet KnT is heavily allegorical at parts. Thats why I think a comparison between the two is pretty unfair; even if KnT is the only one that comes near to Mushishi, its really "near" by a longshot. Sorry, off-topic.

Zappster

2006-09-30, 03:26

I second that. From what I can see (from the manga), Bartender rather reminds me of Aria. Don't ask me why... And it features a (regular) bishoujo - yay!
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Haha. That was my initial reaction upon reading someone's translation of the synopsis of the show. Turns out I misinterpreted what he wrote. Oh well, if it turns out to be Aria without the cuteness or Mushishi without the supernatural aspect, I'll be happy. I'm watching this show out of curiosity more than anything else, so we'll see where it goes.

gianna

2006-10-01, 02:50

Someone finally made a Bartender thread! I've been waiting for this series for a few months now

No wonder Bartender is targeted to a mature audience.

Looking at the group photo, the supporting cast/staff look quite....old.

lol And thank you for that translation

I does seem like it will be similar to Mushishi and Aria and that's what I was really wanting I finally had a chance to look at some of the manga and I really like what I've seen And finally a trailer! Love it Just two more weeks

Haohmaru

2006-10-01, 08:28

Trailer http://youtube.com/watch?v=R8wrOHGzkaQ

MrProphet

2006-10-01, 11:12

BluWacky

2006-10-01, 11:16

So far, there's nothing in the trailer that hasn't already been obvious about this show.

But I guess it was good to hear Ryo's voice, since he sounds a lot more "bishouneny" than I expected him to be.

I'm guessing it's Jun Fukuyama because a) it sounds like him and b) he's in absolutely everything these days...

gianna

2006-10-01, 16:05

Ryuu's VA is Takahiro Mizushima

lol Did he really come off as -bishouneny- That wasn't my first thought

MrProphet

2006-10-01, 16:48

Soft&effeminate voice = "bishouneny" voice. 8)

I think I've taken the Mushishi comparison a bit too literally, since I've expected him so sound like Ginko or one of the characters from Hachikuro. 8)

evil-samurai

2006-10-11, 04:26

Well.... It looks (http://www.bartender-tv.com/story/index.html) like the show will be 11 episodes, I dont know if its confirmed but whenever they have it set up like that it hardly ever changes. I was looking forward to more.. :/

Only! 3 days left till it Airs =)

gianna

2006-10-15, 00:03

Finally! I was waiting for the raw all day--
I really enjoyed the first epsiode - but it's only the first
I'm anxious for the next episode and when they really get into the story
Really liked how real frames were included Some(?) nice music too (volume was a bit low)

panzerfan

2006-10-15, 00:32

It was... beautiful. I can emphasize a bit with a sense of disillusionment... the man's ignorance despite being so well informed...

Li Jianliang

2006-10-15, 02:58

Hmm, I didn't really like the first episode...**Steps away from the anime**
What…what the heck!? o_O Episode 1 was just…full of dialogues, monologues, and a sad, sad story of “Oh, I hate bars! So I can’t open one!” I was fully expecting massive glass-shaking action, complete with Cooking Master Boy light radiating from the finished alcoholic masterpiece, but no, Bartender just presents the viewer with one depressed businessman in an empty bar and an all-too-cheerful bartender. If the bartender guy had lighter-colored hair and the place was decked out with a couple of roses, I would’ve labeled him happily gay. A good chunk of the episode was devoted to the businessman’s problems, which was monochrome and mundane. The lead female character just pops up toward the beginning and the end of the episode. The background music was mostly elevator music, ambivalent and nice for a while but boring after that.

This show redefines the definition of ‘bartender’ in the very first episode. According to the nearly-gay bartender, ‘bar’ = ‘perch/barstool’ and ‘tender’ = ‘tender/kind’…so there’s tenderness at a bar because a bartender exists. This is where I’m gonna say ‘no’ to Bartender and move on with other animes.

At least this show instilled a burning urge to attempt mixing alcoholic drinks in me. It even provides the viewer with a weekly recipe. Drink of the week:
Grass Hopper
Green Peppermint - 20ml
Cacao White - 20ml
Fresh Cream - 20ml

Drink up!

panzerfan

2006-10-15, 09:04

That monologue is every reason why I am sold about Bartender. Guess each to his own... the aftertaste of the man's laments is more real to me than the melancholy of a hikkimori.

evil-samurai

2006-10-15, 10:21

Adictive opening >.> The song in the opening was so catchy! I swear I've heard it before or at least a simliar beat that the song has... Would anyone be able to tell us who does the opening song? =)

The Atmoshphere was great, though I didn't watch it all (need subs ^^)and I knew that was gonig to be the case, as seeing as the show looked like a slow story-telling show.

Interesting to note that, the ending animation.. is to say, Not animated. They have a real person behind a bar. It was quite cool =)

MrProphet

2006-10-15, 17:46

There is a song by Billy Joel that goes like this:

Piano Man

It's nine o'clock on a Saturday
The regular crowd shuffles in
There's an old man sitting next to me
Making love to his tonic and gin

He says, "Son can you play me a memory
I'm not really sure how it goes
But it's sad and it sweet and I knew it complete
When I wore a younger man's clothes"

La la-la di-di da
La-la di-di da, da dum

Sing us a song, you're the piano man
Sing us a song tonight
Well, we're all in the mood for a melody
And you've got us feeling all right

Now John at the bar is a friend of mine
He gets me my drinks for free
And he's a quick with a joke or a light-up-your-smoke
But there's someplace that he'd rather be

He says "Bill, I believe this is killing me"
As the smile ran away from his face
"Well I'm sure that I could be a movie star
If I could get out of this place"

La la-la di-di da
La-la di-di da, da dum

Now Paul is a real estate novelist
Who never had time for a wife
And he's talking with Davey who's still in the Navy
And probably will be for life

And the waitress is practicing politics
As the businessmen slowly get stoned
Yes they're sharing a drink they call loneliness
But it's better than drinking alone

Sing us a song, you're the piano man
Sing us a song tonight
Well, we're all in the mood for a melody
And you've got us feeling all right

It's a pretty good crowd for a Saturday
And the manager gives me a smile
'Cause he knows that it's me they've been coming to see
To forget about life for awhile

And the piano sounds like a carnival
And the microphone smells like a beer
And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
And say "Man, what are you doing here"

La la-la di-di da
La-la di-di da, da dum

Sing us a song, you're the piano man
Sing us a song tonight
Well, we're all in the mood for a melody
And you've got us feeling all right

Bartender is probably the closest anime will ever get to that atmosphere.

To anime is very relaxed and relaxing, almost lost in its own thoughts, or maybe lost in the depths of the drink.

The jazzy ending is amazing and to see the bartender mix the same drink described in the episode was very inventive. I wonder if they are going to do it every time?

This could be educational.

gianna

2006-10-15, 22:01

There is a song by Billy Joel that goes like this:

Bartender is probably the closest anime will ever get to that atmosphere.

To anime is very relaxed and relaxing, almost lost in its own thoughts, or maybe lost in the depths of the drink.

The jazzy ending is amazing and to see the bartender mix the same drink described in the episode was very inventive. I wonder if they are going to do it every time?

This could be educational.

Yes I really liked that The bartender actually did make a Grasshopper in the ED with a recipe provided I was wondering too - would they really show a new drink for every ending? That would be nice

Oh and how many episodes will the series be? There's already eleven listed but could that change

Kaoru Chujo

2006-10-16, 00:01

The show has a good, unique feeling. And I was really impressed with the bartender's voice and presentation. I'm not much of a fan of either bars or mixed drinks, but maybe this will corrupt me, lol. We'll see if the apparently episodic nature of the thing gets stale or not.

kct

2006-10-16, 10:57

Bartender seems really good for 'chilling out'.

monir

2006-10-16, 15:20

We'll see if the apparently episodic nature of the thing gets stale or not.
I just hope episode one would give rest to any further comparison with Mushishi. :)

gianna

2006-10-16, 16:37

It's been subbed!

lommm

2006-10-16, 18:48

yeah, it's been subbed, so this thread should be moved to the Fansubs forum

it took me a while and a couple of searches to even find this thread...

dl'ing now and will comment whenever i get around to watching it

chucky

2006-10-16, 19:57

Definitely a "healing" genre for adult. Just for people to sit back and watch the show and relax and have a drink and then go to bed. Good atmosphere delivers the promise.

And what? Comparing it to eh, mushishi???? Prolly next time people are gonna compare orange with Mother Teresa, spaghetti with Kim Jong Il, and pepsi with hmm, the Mars?

DoReMiFaSo

2006-10-16, 23:31

Just watched ep 1. It's a bit on the boring side, but it's quite educational. And I think it's cool they show how to make the corktail with real person doing it at the end. I will check out a few episodes more before deciding on this series.

Skane

2006-10-16, 23:49

The closest anime I can think of in terms of mood is ARIA. ;) I am a sucker for slice-of-life shows, and it helps even more that Bartender is being directed as though it is a theater show.

To add on, my thoughts as written elsewhere (http://www.basugasubakuhatsu.com/blog/2006/10/15/bartender-anime-first-impressions-preview-review/),
Just watched the subs for this one, and it is definitely a keeper for me. :) The one unique thing about this anime is how they make it seem as though the show is set on a stage, inclusive of character spotlights, narration and soliquays. I am a big Literature fan, and I absolutely love the direction they have taken here. :)

Cheers.

I really hope that a group will pick this one up for regular subbing. :)

Cheers.

Sorrow-K

2006-10-17, 07:48

I also have an uncontrollable susceptibility towards slice-of-life anime. It doesn't terribly surprise me that I liked Bartender, given the premise and what I've heard of it, etc, etc. But it is nice that I can actually say I liked it after I watched it. And it is nice.

Rather surreal at times, though. The story's certainly aren't anywhere near as profound as Mushishi or similar (well, not the one we saw in the first ep anyway). In fact, I think we can all put the Mushishi comparisons to bed now that we've seen the first ep. ARIA is a far better comparison now, particularly given the feel-good mood and the fact that it most definitely belongs in the "healing" genre.

I wouldn't say the animation is bad, but there wasn't a great deal that really tested the animators. I did like some of the cinematography and segue, though... some of it was really clever and eye catching. Absolutely loved some of the music, though.

There are times where I thought the story was a bit stupid. It's obvious they're not aiming for anything overly profound here, but I think the way they handled it made it respectable, even if it wasn't terribly interesting. This is clearly more a character-focused thing and I think the appeal of the stories in future episodes will be more an emotional one than an intellectual one. Which is fine by me.

Good stuff. I think I'm going to thoroughly enjoy this anime.

Zappster

2006-10-17, 09:16

Nice. It always sounded a bit like Aria to me. I think I said as much in this thread and the new announced anime thread. Nice to see some Aria fans enjoying the show, and whilst not a clear cut indication should hopefully mean it's something that I will also enjoy. Like Sorrow-K and Skane, I usually like all the slice-of-life type animes that I've come across and they are something of a favourite genre/class of mine, with the only recent exception being Binbou Shimai(but that was really due to not getting on with the characters and as a result I didn't watch past the first episode which is not something I usually do). I will probably either wait until someone else subs it or perhaps with some spare time check out the subs currently available.

frustra

2006-10-17, 10:11

finally, my ARIA/Mushishi fix for this season.. it's all coming togethere now... the replacements for the void left out by the previous season...

Sukuran/Ouran => Sumomo mo Momomo for comedy
Hachikuro II => Asatte no Houkou and Kanon for drama slice of life
Death Note, D.Gray Man and Pumpkin Scissors for action (include Code Geass and Busou Renkin, but these two pale in comparison with the three)

and of course..

Bartender for slice of life... i just hope they keep it up, and even better, if they surpass the first episde standards

physics223

2006-10-17, 10:50

I hoped that it invoked a mood similar to Hemingway's most known and best-written shorts, A Clean Well-Lighted Place, where although there's an exploration on the problems of the old, suicidal drunkard and some resolution is sought by the bartenders, they themselves have problems of their own that even with introspection, they basically find nothing - the nada concept. Yeah, I know I was shooting for craps, but it would have been fun had the show been something laconic yet evocative of a pervasive melancholy.

For more, kindly check out my First Impressions on Bartender (http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/?p=44). I guess I was simply dreaming; this isn't even the next Mushishi, IMO.

Skane

2006-10-17, 10:56

I think I must have missed the train of though in the earlier posts. Why are people comparing Bartender to Mushishi, and not ARIA?

Lilith

2006-10-17, 11:53

Ep 1
I immediately thought of a Yaoi manga called "A Sex Therapist" by Kazuma Kodaka which is about a bartender who heals his customers. :o

Despite my absolute hate for alcohol inreality, I decided to give this series a chance (especially since Ryuu is a bishounen :p).

I liked the definition of "Bartender". It never crossed my mind that it actually means something. Also, I liked that glass of Edenhall. It's just so pretty. <3

I loved the atmosphere, BGM, character design and using real images (for glasses, wood, etc.). The ending song was average, but the sequence was beautiful. The fishes, the glasses and making the "drink of the day", hehe.

I dislike "episodic" series in which every episode has a different tale, so I hope there will be a story and plot or something. I can feel the high quality of this anime, it'll be a shame to quit watching it.

SilentBob

2006-10-17, 18:50

At least the first episode left me wanting for more. I've always been a fan of drama/slice of life stuff, so I'll be watching this as it goes on.

wilsonx81

2006-10-17, 21:43

I just watched the first ep, I liked the opening, and I really liked the anime, at the end I wanted to go back to try mixing cocktails XD

Srin Tuar

2006-10-17, 21:44

This show redefines the definition of ‘bartender’ in the very first episode. According to the nearly-gay bartender, ‘bar’ = ‘perch/barstool’ and ‘tender’ = ‘tender/kind’…so there’s tenderness at a bar because a bartender exists. This is where I’m gonna say ‘no’ to Bartender and move on with other animes.

Lol, I hope that mis-etymology was on purpose... it was just as you described a bit .... uncomfortable. The whole scene was a bit... eww.

Ignoring that aspect of it, I'll probably watch a few more episodes just to see the names of drinks and stuff. (I guess its like watching yakitate for the bread :heh: )

But I doubt I'll follow the series all the way.

justinstrife

2006-10-17, 23:06

Saw the first episode. It's definetly soothing. And maybe it's because i'm in my mid/late twenties, I already knew about the meaning behind the word bartender. :)

Will continue to watch for the slice of life and slow pace(as well as character growth I expect to see).

ZeusIrae

2006-10-18, 09:18

nice......I like it,I love the animation.
And waht's the voice at the beginning,just after the OP.It's a really nice voice,I won't to hear it more often.

Lost

2006-10-18, 10:09

I find the subtitles quite obtrusive, the way they cover half of the screen. :heh: On a more positive note, the effort they put doing notes for each drink name is impressive.

I liked very much Ryuu's explanation of the Bar being a "hideout" and hence, that need for the heavy door. Basically took the Chief's concept and turned it inside out; theres a bit of intellect here yet. (Its scary but I think I'm going gay for Ryuu :heh:)

Okay, way of story telling here is very unique, but one has gotten used to it, and basically has no qualms about it for this episode, and for it being used in the rest of the episodes, if they deliver a good story, which they did here. Of course, nothing complicated or emotionally spectacular about this story (tho I felt touched that Ryuu's consideration for Chief, truly, God's Gass) but does a story need to be that complicated to be good? enjoyable? refreshing?

The theme of this episode was really: Redefinition.

In everything else, Animation, Music, OP, ED, Choice of using real photos; Bartender was spot-on, and for a first episode, I am very satisfied. Animation is just delightful, sorry I dont have the words to describe it.. clean and bright perhaps? especially the city scenes. I enjoyed the OP very much, and the ED; just wow.

This is a totally different type of show from what I'm used to, perhaps even the first of its kind for me personally, but I like it so far and I am looking forward to the rest of the series.

Quajafrie

2006-10-18, 11:29

That was really something. The first episode of Bartender exceeded my expectations.

Visually, it's nothing really impressive, but it's so delightful to watch. The animation is minimal, but it doesn't matter at all. Everything is so clean and the character designs are pretty good. But what really stood out was the wonderful music score. It was great, and it was suitable. The OP and ED songs were very good as well, and everything seemed to be perfectly fine.

This isn't the kind of show that will make you want the next episode right away, it's one of these 'slow and soothing' shows that are always appreciated. Even if the story of a bartender is not the kind of story I thought I'd enjoy (In fact, I wasn't even planning to watch this show at all), I'll definitely continue watching this.

physics223

2006-10-18, 12:16

It may only be temporary, but I didn't think much of it. I'll be watching more of it to further judge if it's a show worthy enough in my books, but it paled IMO in comparison to Mushishi, if anyone's comparing it to that show. I loved that show; I dropped it because I had to cater to shows like NHK and H&C II, and my disk space wasn't really enormous. From what I've seen of that show, however, I think that was better than this.

I don't disagree with the opinions on the music, however; it is very well made and very well mixed into the story and the ambiance of the episode as well as the series.

Nemo_N

2006-10-18, 14:32

It was just what I expected; nothing more, nothing less. Just a laid back show. Loved the atmosphere and the insight on the drinks.

I am just wondering what kind of stories are ahead...

I find the subtitles quite obtrusive, the way they cover half of the screen. :heh:

Are you using Haali Splitter? If so, go to Media Splitter Settings (somewhere in All Programs or CCCP) then Options, Output, then SSA fontsize scale percentage and set it to 70 or less.

mit7059

2006-10-18, 18:41

I enjoyed it, but I hope it doesn't become too episodic, and I hope it goes deeper into Ryuu's story.

lordblazer

2006-10-18, 23:03

Lol, I hope that mis-etymology was on purpose... it was just as you described a bit .... uncomfortable. The whole scene was a bit... eww.

Ignoring that aspect of it, I'll probably watch a few more episodes just to see the names of drinks and stuff. (I guess its like watching yakitate for the bread :heh: )

But I doubt I'll follow the series all the way.

you guys are just bieng homophobic. Or just ain't use to anothe rmale being kind to another male plutonicly. I like the show so far. Bartenders in real life tend to be Entrepenuers, and have to set up their own bar or work for a hotel. SO the ones that set up their own bars usually tend to design their bar to an atmosphere that would reflect them, and would attract certain customers. Plus its awesome how this show displays recipes.. This is like the History Channel.. Except it makes the drinks more romancticised. Also cocktails are really sweet. Depending on what you get. Theres some were you can only taste the juice, and not the alcohal. Depending on the chemical balance you're looking for. ANyway this looks like a promising show. IT releases a certain type of atmosphere. In America Alcohal is pretty much demonized. We associate it with getting durnk because people do get drunk, but that's only because the crap is illegal to adults ages 18-20, and these are the ones who tend to get drunk. Heck even 21 year olds goto to a bar, and gets hammered real badly, and very few that turn 21 have a real education on Alcohal. Rather than the crap we get at Uni now..Which is "Don't drink at all is the best thing to do."

Ep 1
I immediately thought of a Yaoi manga called "A Sex Therapist" by Kazuma Kodaka which is about a bartender who heals his customers. :o

Despite my absolute hate for alcohol inreality, I decided to give this series a chance (especially since Ryuu is a bishounen :p).

I liked the definition of "Bartender". It never crossed my mind that it actually means something. Also, I liked that glass of Edenhall. It's just so pretty. <3

I loved the atmosphere, BGM, character design and using real images (for glasses, wood, etc.). The ending song was average, but the sequence was beautiful. The fishes, the glasses and making the "drink of the day", hehe.

I dislike "episodic" series in which every episode has a different tale, so I hope there will be a story and plot or something. I can feel the high quality of this anime, it'll be a shame to quit watching it.
Lol this may not be the naime for you. It seems very episodic, and I like it. Because it'll potray tales of different people. Different customers. YOu know. Each one has their own story. This series would work out perfectly if its episodic.

liehcas

2006-10-18, 23:16

I was dissapointed in the animation, a lot of stills and cg. I guess you can argue it fits with the mood, but I think they just half-assed it.

lordblazer

2006-10-18, 23:42

I was dissapointed in the animation, a lot of stills and cg. I guess you can argue it fits with the mood, but I think they just half-assed it.

lol I'm never picky with the animation. Depending ont he type of anime. Sure if it was an action like Bleach. I want to be awed with freaking awesome animation, but when it comes to something like this anime. I wanna be awed by the atmosphere, and story.

Kikaifan

2006-10-19, 00:17

I have to admit, I enjoyed this mostly because it takes what to me is a very trivial matter and attends to it not just seriously but with anime-levels of drama. Still, I enjoyed it.

Apparently someone failed to realize that 'tend' was a verb, though. Oh well... better than 'I can be shot.'

aikming

2006-10-19, 00:21

wasnt as bad as people said, the knowledge on the liquor & cocktail sure captivate my interest.

Dop

2006-10-19, 05:44

I really enjoyed it.

Maybe enjoyed is the wrong word? I liked it anyway, and I'd certainly want to watch more. Ryuu shows Holmesian powers of deduction as he explains the choice of drink, and I'm sold on the whole idea.

I mean. they show you cocktail recipes, and the live action segment at the end even shows you how to mix it! Brilliant!

Although, mind you, a Bartender drinking game would be a bit of a killer!

TougeSil80

2006-10-19, 06:54

It's a pretty cool show, I enjoyed it so far. I don't mind it being episodic, because it's only going to be 11 eps. The live action drink mixing is very cool, I didn't know you can stack like this. Now it makes me want to go to a bar. :p

Clarste

2006-10-19, 07:07

Ironically, the contrast between "barkeep" and "bartender" is so much more meaningful with the proper etymologies. Well, I don't think they were literally saying barkeep in Japanese anyway... (well, their meanings overlap in the middle, but ignoring that)

I liked the stage-play like presentation, but I'm not sure the content of this play interested me very much. I'll probably keep watching at least until we figure out who the heck that woman is and why she's worthy of narrating.

DrewGSR

2006-10-19, 19:13

I dunno why but im totally digging this anime. Its quite interesting and a good change from the typical animes i see.

physics223

2006-10-19, 21:05

It's an anime that evokes a soft and relaxed mood, one you could watch while eating chips and drinking juice. I guess it's not my taste, however; but I'll give it as much time as it needs, seeing that it's only 11 episodes anyway.

Lost

2006-10-20, 09:54

Ryuu is really hot.

Kikaifan

2006-10-20, 13:17

I just had a dream where the main character in this was actually an assassin or ninja or something covert. I'm the sort of person that remembers maybe one dream a month, tops, and they haven't had anything to do with anime before this, so it's really weird...

Anyway, I have to give Bartender props for apparently burrowing deep within my psyche.

And seriously, why was I neg-repped for attacking their etymology for 'bartender?' It's incorrect, and that shouldn't be a big deal.

Lost

2006-10-26, 07:51

O.o I had to go back 4 pages for this. Anyhow just wanted to say the Bartender OP is really great. Honestly, this is a season for OPs, with the exception of DN, I can't stop listening to all of them. Back to Bartender OP; its fast paced and yet doesnt tire you out like others do. And the piano work aint bad at all too. Its a classy piece, without being overwhelming, and one that is enjoyable; with spot on vocals, especially the male's. I've never heard a male singer with a voice like that (then again, how many Male Jap Singers have I heard? :rolleyes:). And I think both complement each other so well. Very very good. Cant wait for the full single.

and Ryuu is really really hot.

Cal-Reflector

2006-10-26, 09:56

I heard it once, I heard it twice, so now, despite having less than 1 gig left on my weekly bandwidth quota (bloody UC Berkeley regulations) I'm going to download an episode of this show just to see how hot this Ryuu is.

Edit: Silly me, I just realized from scrolling back a bit that the aforementioned Ryuu is a guy, and therefore outside my range of curiosity; I blame this little slip on 3 hours of sleep.

physics223

2006-10-27, 04:02

Are you a guy or a girl? LOL. :)

Lost

2006-10-27, 06:56

Sorry Cal for contributing to that slip. :) He's just too hot. :heh: But honestly, I would recommend it to people wholeheartedly only if it wasnt for the fact that this anime is probably an aquired taste; and I've only seen the first episode (tho I liked it). Well, if your looking for an anime to just kick up your legs at and relax, then spend your limited bandwidth on it. No hot girls here (yet), move along now. :)

Lilith

2006-10-27, 07:51

Yep yep Lost! Ryuu is the main reason I'm willing to watch this show (even if it'll become episodic). Even his voice is attractive... kudos to the seiyuu. <3

physics223

2006-10-28, 01:51

That statement of yours REALLY made me snicker. LOL.

But I simply laugh at the whole concept of the show? God's Glass? ROFL. Since I have a new DVD burner, however, I can watch a whole lot more shows. Yay for me - this is included there. YAY for me. :)

Cal-Reflector

2006-10-28, 03:05

Sinestra

2006-10-28, 17:32

I havent watched it yet i wanted to wait to see everyone reacted. Is it worth checking out? i have so much anime im watcing right now dont want to take time away from the good ones if this one blows

Lost

2006-10-29, 05:31

Just try one or two episodes. Wouldnt take longer then an hour.. :/

CrYsYs

2006-11-01, 04:04

<3<3<3 Bartender. Great anime...no words can describe why it's good...it just is.

Question.

Do these episodes air weekly in Japan? :O

Lost

2006-11-01, 06:13

Lunar has released Bartender 1! I suppose this means they are taking the series up.

Skane

2006-11-01, 06:14

Their resolution is 1280x720... It would cough and sputter on my PC. :(

Sigh.

Lost

2006-11-01, 07:00

You HAVE to watch it! Buy a computer, Steal a computer, Borrow a computer, Rent a computer.. [Lunar's Fansub]... its... its... :bow:

This is the first time I'm reading the OP's lyrics. Its so so fitting, and pretty playful at parts too! Very meaningful.

Skane

2006-11-01, 07:33

pathyfinder

2006-11-01, 09:17

I'm a guy. But I have friends who are interested in hot anime guys, that sort of thing, you know. Perhaps I'll try this out on them and see what they're response is.

:naughty: Did someone say "hot anime guys"? :cool:

Enough said....."I'm d/l this, NOW"! :innocent:

Unm, err, I mean, "yeah I loved Mushishi also, and need a nice story telling anime to fill in the emptyness" :P

Mr VacBob

2006-11-01, 10:08

I already seen the first episode of Bartender. :heh: Somebody else fansubbed it earlier. I'm just hoping that Lunar, or some other fansub group will take pity on those of us who do not have 3GHz+ CPUs( mine is 1.8GHz).

Narf.

Well, there's no HD version of episode 2, so they can't do it again.

(I wonder what they think they're doing, is 1024x576 somehow not high-res enough? It's not like this show has the animation budget to support anything bigger.)

Oh well, we'll be done in a day or two.

fiberOptiC

2006-11-01, 10:53

There is no "HD" version of episode 2 because the capper decided to capture something else that aired at the same time. He will continue to capture Bartender at 1280x720 when it doesn't conflict with that. Its not about the budget of the show, its about the resolution its broadcast at in HD and what the capper encodes it at. We will put out the hi-res ones when we can, and do a lower res when there is no raw available. Mr VacBob, 1024x576 is not high-res enough. For those of you worrying about playing it, try it. You'd be surprised what your system can handle. (You might have to close the 20 windows of firefox first though.)

leonaheidern

2006-11-01, 10:56

actually I would prefer if there was a avi version. Reason being is I convert the anime to pmp vlc to watch on the PSP when I'm out of the house. Avi converts to pmp in 1 step compared to having to demux the mka and subtitles in virtualdub first then converting to avi before I can start converting to pmp format.

I only have a single core Hyper Threading Enabled P4 3.0 ghz. And a 17 inch LCD monitor that I prefer to have on 1024X768 resolution. Reason being that I find things on 1280X768 really small and hard to read.

I really do not want to upgrade to a core duo before the end of 2007.

Skane

2006-11-01, 11:35

~ For those of you worrying about playing it, try it. You'd be surprised what your system can handle. (You might have to close the 20 windows of firefox first though.)
Oh believe me when I say I have tried playing video files that are of 1024x768 resolution or higher. :p From Shakugan no Shana to Inukami( when I try out their 'larger' versions), they all stutter on my PC, whether I use MPC or VLC. My PC simply does not have the CPU power necessary to play such files.

Unless Lunar has blessed their files with pixie dust or something, which I doubt very much, since they themselves said that you need a strong CPU to play the file. Not everybody has a CPU that is 2.4GHz+

Narf.

Mr VacBob

2006-11-01, 13:03

There is no "HD" version of episode 2 because the capper decided to capture something else that aired at the same time. He will continue to capture Bartender at 1280x720 when it doesn't conflict with that.

Yes, I know that. I try not to ever make anything that wouldn't play on my last computer, though, which was only 1024x768.

actually I would prefer if there was a avi version.

http://kokiri.ithinksw.net/pub/Bartender%201%20%5bADTRW%5d.avi

Try not to download that a zillion times.

fiberOptiC

2006-11-01, 15:02

You should also take into account that Bartender is not a high action anime. It doesn't take that much to play. If you can't play it, find someone else sub of it. Just because its a larger size and requires more to play it doesn't make is sub quality Mr VacBob. I did put in the name of the file that its 1280x720 encoded with x264 for a reason. If your system can't handle it, thats your issue and not mine.

NoSanninWa

2006-11-01, 18:04

I would suggest that if anyone is having problems playing Lunar's Bartender, there is a good chance that their problem can be solved by CoreAVC (http://coreavc.corecodec.org/). It costs $10, but that isn't much money for a decoder that handle h264 so much better than ffdshow. CCCP is inferior to CoreAVC (for playing h264), and on their wiki (http://www.cccp-project.net/wiki/index.php?title=CoreAVC) they estimate that it is about 30% faster than their decoder. It solved my problems playing back huge h264 encodes and it might help you also.

In case anyone is curious, this is the raving of the converted who wants to save others from the horror of not being able to play HD h264 encodes.

Amaranthine

2006-11-01, 18:57

As cold as it may seem, it really isn't the fansubber's problem. They're only subbing it because they want to, they'll do it how they want, etc. It's up to them whether they release it in a format that everyone can watch or whether they release it like this, and they're not going to be concerned by anything anyone might say about it. I'm not exactly happy, since I do very much want to watch this series and my computer can't handle it quite properly, but that's life. I'll just hope someone else does it. I somehow felt like posting this, since I've seen more than my share of people bitching about it today. (That's not directed at anyone here, don't worry.) NoSanninWa's suggestion is a good one, although I fear that like myself, some of those with crappy computers are also people, who... well... don't have any money to spare. :/

In a somewhat related note (as it may be pleasing to those having problems with Lunar's sub), the first chapter of the manga has been scanlated (by Anonymous and Anonymous of 4chan's /a/). I guess many of you will know this, but there'll be people who don't. Wouldn't want them to miss out. It's great stuff, and hopefully the demand will be enough for more to be completed, or for a real group to pick it up. It has a different atmosphere to the anime, but it works equally well, and in a similar way. Download here ( http://www.megaupload.com/?d=T45TWFOR).

Anyway... this anime is simply perfect for me. Watching anime is often what I do when I want to relax, and I doubt there's much more relaxing than this. Also, I'm a great fan of bars (or pubs) and the healing properties of alcohol. In particular, the image of the quiet, peaceful bar late at night struck a chord with me. I almost feel like I'm a little young to appreciate it so fully, but that's just what I'm like. :)

Regardless of personal aspects, it's... pleasant. There's really not better word to describe it. Certainly not for everyone, but likely to be loved by those it is for. It also seems to me that it's comfortable with what it is. Nothing groundbreaking, not the big new thing, not especially deep of meaningful. Just a simple show with a simple purpose. Similarly, it seems rather pointless to criticise it or point out its flaws. It's the kind of show you watch to take a break from all that, the same way you go to a bar to take a break and forget about your everyday life... it doesn't matter, just like your troubles don't matter when you're having a quiet drink. Honestly, I'm not sure I've ever seen anything that captures that feeling so well. I think it's clear to all that I'm in love with it...

Maceart

2006-11-01, 22:20

None of my computers run Lunar's version, so guess I'll stick with ADRTW.

Anyway, Bartender is a nice, slow and relaxing one episode story arc anime. A great refresher from all these action/bishoujo game anime of the fall season.

exedore

2006-11-01, 22:32

None of my computers run Lunar's version, so guess I'll stick with ADRTW.

ADTRW implied on the AnimeWorldOrder blog that they're only going to sub the first episode. Looks like it's Lunar or nothing.

leonaheidern

2006-11-01, 23:35

Thanks for the avi version. Actually does anyone have a 1 step software that allows you to reencode to avi from MKV. Winnydows' Xvid4PSP cannot work on mkv files sadly. It dosen't seem to find the audio and video.

If I can get that to work its just a matter of selecting bitrate on video and audio on a pretty GUI and pressing start.

Also MKV dosen't play on anything but a computer or at least a MCE enabled pc. Kinda sucks that my AVIX hdd player from Sarotech dosen't play mkv files. I'd like to bring the player around to my neighbours house and watch on his 24 inch LCD tv. And since my brother in law likes alcohol and has a 32 inch plasma TV, 1280X768 would look gorgeous on his tv. but my HDD player lets me down unfortunately. File size isn't a problem the HDD in the player has 30GB of space.

I really wouldn't mind in investing in a portable player that plays mkv though. Rather than a coreduo laptop which is way out of budget.

lordblazer

2006-11-02, 09:53

Oh believe me when I say I have tried playing video files that are of 1024x768 resolution or higher. :p From Shakugan no Shana to Inukami( when I try out their 'larger' versions), they all stutter on my PC, whether I use MPC or VLC. My PC simply does not have the CPU power necessary to play such files.

Unless Lunar has blessed their files with pixie dust or something, which I doubt very much, since they themselves said that you need a strong CPU to play the file. Not everybody has a CPU that is 2.4GHz+

Narf.

I do :P, but seriously thats a good reason to hate .mkv. Also its a lot easier to just have it as .avi because its a pretty simple file, and the size seems to be smaller. I find .mkv unneccessary, but I think people do it to get on other peoples nerves or to serve a specific audience.

Skane

2006-11-02, 10:36

???? What does the screen resolution have to do with the file format?

I happen to like .MKV files and the h264 format. :heh: I'm just amongst the unfortunate that cannot play HD-files.

Cheers.

Mentar

2006-11-02, 10:57

I bet that the majority complaining about being unable to play HD files actually could - with CoreAVC. As an example, Lunar's Bartender 1 hits 99% right away on my Pentium M 1.6 GHz (Centrino) laptop using ffdshow (in other words, CCCP), but with CoreAVC it's playing back easily averaging at 50-60% CPU. I'd be willing to estimate that anybody with a CPU of 2 GHz and above should be able to play HD encodes with it.

We're talking about the huge investment of 9.95 US$ here, which translates to one movie or two burgers with a coke. Just to put things in perspective. And in return, a world of hi-quality anime can open up to you.

And to avoid misunderstandings: I have no links whatsoever to the CoreAVC people, in fact I'm CCCP staff. But credit where credit is due, and while the overall visual quality of the h264 playback is slightly lower on CoreAVC, the enormous playback speed can not be denied.

One final hint: More than once I've heard people complain that after installing CoreAVC, the playback didn't speed up at all. In all these cases, the user forgot to disable ffdshow's/CCCP's playback for CoreAVC, so it automatically took precedence over it. A link explaining how to quickly set up CoreAVC properly can be found here (http://www.cccp-project.net/wiki/index.php?title=CoreAVC#How_to_use_CoreAVC_instead _of_ffdshow).

lordblazer

2006-11-02, 11:02

???? What does the screen resolution have to do with the file format?

I happen to like .MKV files and the h264 format. :heh: I'm just amongst the unfortunate that cannot play HD-files.

Cheers.

WEll I commented on yours by saying I do and doing this :P, and then I went on passed your quote, and started my own statement. Sorry for no speperating the paragraph lol I'm stressed out as of recently.(University student)

NoSanninWa

2006-11-02, 18:20

We're talking about the huge investment of 9.95 US$ here, which translates to one movie or two burgers with a coke. Just to put things in perspective. And in return, a world of hi-quality anime can open up to you.

Listen to the man. For the price of a bargain bin DVD, almost everyone can play high definition h264.

I couldn't play HD h264 either, until I got CoreAVC, but now I have no problem with anything except for LuPerry's stupid softsubbed karaoke. (What they heck was he thinking?)

Ptolemi

2006-11-02, 18:24

I do not see where the show will go with a guy making drinks and POOF the customer is fine... but mabe it will be good we will see :twitch: :twitch:

pathyfinder

2006-11-02, 20:36

Ptolemim thanks for the Badger avi! It's been awhile since I've seen them :heh:

Well, I guess my compy sucks :( As I'm way to dam cheap to buy something to fix it :D

However, I Did realy enjoy this First episode. it just sucked me in and I can't wait to see what else there will be!

It's pretty funny why I d/l to begin with, if I see a new series with a ton of seeds/peers I figure there's something worth d/ling if all those peps are :cool: Even while working full time now, I save some time to watch what I d/l lately.... anime it's my stress releaser :D

Ptolemi

2006-11-02, 20:57

Maceart

2006-11-03, 03:54

Well, I'm using CoreAVC and on my Athlon 3000+ (Barton) it lags horribly. And there's no point lugging out my laptop to watch one ep, so I guess i'll stick with ADRTW, or perhaps just reencode the file then.

Anyway, episode 2 was great! The reverse story telling was pretty unique.

Skane

2006-11-03, 05:36

Baby-D

2006-11-03, 05:52

A barton should play it fine...we have members who played it on CPUs as old as XP 2400+ thoroughbreds. Just close your firefox...and whatever the hell is using resources...

Or just give up too if you don't want to bother you're free to do whatever you want. And people who don't like .MKV dont know anything about .mkv >.>

And filesize has nothing to do with the mkv container.

And hate us for serving an audience that can play the 720p x264. Fiber likes it...mentar likes it...i like it...Translator can play it! Audience seems happy! Im just joking...but if you dont like it that is perfectly fine with us. You can dl and not dl whatever you want. We will try to stop making you.

theacefrehley

2006-11-03, 12:47

it's kind of strange

The video plays fine but it is larger than my screen and I can't make it fit inside it

I'm losing a little part of the karaoke/subtitles on the left and right border

any TIP for me?

leonaheidern

2006-11-03, 12:52

Its not the container I hate. Its just a lack of 1 Step convertable software thats avaliable for converting it to play on portable HDD Divx(v3,4,5)/Xvid MPG, Dat. IFO players.

With an anime like Bartender there is potential to get even non anime liking audiences to actually like anime because of the alcohol subject. Same for gungrave too. Still finding the least painful way to convert to a compatible format so I can bring it around to my neighbours' house to introduce him to the ANIME version of The Godfather.

Also the lack of portable HDD mediaplayers that play mkv is very irritaing. Usually the dvd player manufacturers in my country(Singapore) are the first to start supporting multiformats. And they are cheap too about 59SSD gets u a well rounded player. Sigh I wonder if there will ever be a hardware solution that allows you to do that short of buying a laptop and getting special cables to hook the laptop to the Plasma/LCD TV

Mr VacBob

2006-11-03, 14:22

Ep02 was great. :) A bit of sadness and stuff, but overall it was touching. :) I like how they rope in the history into the story. Most of the OP characters make their debut in this episode as well.

Cheers.

The storytelling mechanic is a little weird, but I guess you don't hire famous people (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=341) for nothing.

Anyway, yeah, our translator wants to not fail senior-level Japanese classes and 2ch tells me there's going to be a double episode the week after next, which would kill us anyway. We can come back if necessary later, I guess.

Also, everyone should take my advice re: Kir Royale!

Lost

2006-11-03, 15:44

...anything except for LuPerry's stupid softsubbed karaoke. (What they heck was he thinking?)
/offtopic but agreed, agreed.. Erm, theacefrehley, please tell me you are playing the video in fullscreen mode.

Sorrow-K

2006-11-03, 18:36

Ep 2.

Heart-warming is probably the best way to describe this show, but there's also something that's... for lack of a better word... "cute" about it. I also agree with everyone else, the unusual styles and effects and methods they use for storytelling are really effective. It's almost avant-garde in a sense, but no where near as in-your-face as something like Haruhi or Petite Cossette. It works really well, though. This show seems to have no problem generating atmosphere, which is a pretty good feat for a show of this type. But, then again I come from a rather bias standpoint, since I pretty much can't dislike a series like this, no matter how hard I try.

theacefrehley

2006-11-03, 19:46

/offtopic but agreed, agreed.. Erm, theacefrehley, please tell me you are playing the video in fullscreen mode.

yeah, full screen mode
it's is like the video width is bigger than my monitor width

but I've tried to resize it, with no avail... :(

Image captured with MP classic (it seems normal)

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2516/imagemcw5.th.jpg (http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imagemcw5.jpg)

Edited image (How I'm seeing it, full screen)

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/1633/imagem2kv2.th.jpg (http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imagem2kv2.jpg)

I hope anybody can help

just an info

My video card is an old 32MB one (P4, 2.4Ghz, 512MB), monitor 15''

Baby-D

2006-11-03, 20:26

theacefrehley

2006-11-03, 20:45

It has nothing to do with your video card. If you can play the video fine, then your system resources are just dandy. What it is your settings in MPC.

Right click on the video and go to Video Frame. I use touch window from inside. It lets me resize but keeps the aspect ratio.

Mess with whatever you like within that and you should be good. you're have it set to just resize but not adjust the video which results in you cutting it off, rather then adjust the size with regards to the aspect ratio.

Anyways that should fix it.

thanks

but it didn't solve the problem...
With it, the screen gets cut on top, bottom and right side hehehe

It's like the screen size is always the same (Big) and it doesn't fit in my screen

I don't quite understand it
I can easily resize the screensize of other videos I have here (including these x264, h264, whatever). It's just these HD videos that don't work

Anyway
thanks

Baby-D

2006-11-03, 21:58

theacefrehley

2006-11-03, 22:06

Well the fact that the video resolution is higher then whatever you have on your monitor should not make it just cut off...Ive set my monitor to 800x600 and it worked fine...except looks like shit because that res sucks :(.

You probably just need to mess with the settings in MPC did what I say change ANYTHING?

Because it seems like it is ignoring resizing the VIDEO, rather it is just resizing the WINDOW.

Before
right and left side cut off

with your tip
right, bottom and top sides cut off

using the commands ctrl+6 and ctrl+4 I can view the parts missing because the screen gets "pushed" to the sides

And it is exacly like you said
the resizing is being completely ignored

Baby-D

2006-11-04, 05:17

Well that is very odd...if it plays back fine aside from the cutting off...it is non-resource related most likely...

I don't know if it would be something with the video output settings in MPC's options. That doesn't sound to likely...or perhaps drivers for the graphics card? But that seems odd too...

Well hopefully someone can pick it apart more technically. But have you tried any other players and do those ignore the resizing?

leonaheidern

2006-11-04, 05:55

Hi any tips on getting the subtitles out of the mkv file so I can mux them in Xvid4PSP and watch the episode on my PSP in PMP format or avi format?

Thanks

tritoch

2006-11-04, 08:51

Before
right and left side cut off

with your tip
right, bottom and top sides cut off

using the commands ctrl+6 and ctrl+4 I can view the parts missing because the screen gets "pushed" to the sides

And it is exacly like you said
the resizing is being completely ignored

mpc settings while playing the file:

touch window from inside (dot)
aspect ratio (check mark)

now your video should be looking something like a widescreen movie.. only the sides are touching the ends while the there's a space on top and bottom.. a letter box.

use pan&scan to increase height until it touches all 4 corners of your screen.
only use increase height.. DO NOT use increase size.

or use the pan&scan again.. and use zoom 0.3-3.0.. 1.000 and 1.0900 respectively.. >,>

I actually lost my good settings trying to fiddle with what I did with mpc.. T__T

Lost

2006-11-04, 10:12

Edited image (How I'm seeing it, full screen)

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/1633/imagem2kv2.th.jpg (http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=imagem2kv2.jpg)
1038 X 720.. is that your resolution? Thats a weird resolution. Try changing your video resolution to something more common like 1024 X 768. (Remember that you may have to adjust your monitors settings so that any viewable area outside the screen can be seen)

theacefrehley

2006-11-04, 10:22

1038 X 720.. is that your resolution? Thats a weird resolution. Try changing your video resolution to something more common like 1024 X 768. (Remember that you may have to adjust your monitors settings so that any viewable area outside the screen can be seen)

my resolution is 1024x768
This image I edited by myself because when I capture the image with mpc the image is just normal. This is how I see the video playing (after all, 1280>1024, but 720 fits in 768)

mpc settings while playing the file:

touch window from inside (dot)
aspect ratio (check mark)

now your video should be looking something like a widescreen movie.. only the sides are touching the ends while the there's a space on top and bottom.. a letter box.

use pan&scan to increase height until it touches all 4 corners of your screen.
only use increase height.. DO NOT use increase size.

or use the pan&scan again.. and use zoom 0.3-3.0.. 1.000 and 1.0900 respectively.. >,>

I actually lost my good settings trying to fiddle with what I did with mpc.. T__T

when I use touch window from inside it simply cuts the top and the bottom of the video
fo example:
With it I can't see the Hiragana/Kanji of the karaoke, as well as the english lyrics

it's not resizing at all

anyway
thanks for the help guys

but I think my old video card is the one to blame heheehe

kauldron26

2006-11-04, 14:01

so is this a story of the week thing?? ala kino no tabi or mushishi, because thats not my thing... overarching stories always have room for character development and catharsis...

Lost

2006-11-04, 23:59

I don't disagree. But please note that "has room" doesn't mean "will deliver." In fact, its my opinion that overarching stories have more potential to fall flat on their faces with regard to character development and catharsis.

Besides, I dont think Bartender will only have one/two recurring characters to follow. There seems to be a cast of main characters.

I personally enjoy episodic story-to-story shows. 25 minutes is all that is neccesary for character development of minor characters. They get developed within the framework of the story. Thats more than enough for me IMO. And as you follow the series, the main characters get more development as you observe them being exposed to those 'stories'.

kujoe

2006-11-05, 00:18

I think the episodic nature of the show also helps in exuding that relaxing atmosphere. Drink, reflect and then forget. It seems to fit.

Eventually, I'm sure once the series reaches a certain point, all the separate events will look more interconnected as a whole.

Baby-D

2006-11-05, 04:30

Hi any tips on getting the subtitles out of the mkv file so I can mux them in Xvid4PSP and watch the episode on my PSP in PMP format or avi format?

Thanks

We hardcode our subs. It's in MKV because of the x264 codec which has to be 'hacked' into avi.

leonaheidern

2006-11-06, 03:06

Hi er its ok cause I figuered out how to copy the script placed on the Bartender wiki into Notepad and saved as .ass format. After that i muxxed it with the xvid4psp pmp format.

First time i converted to avi the video didn't have subs. I saved a copy into avi also haha. gonna put it on my Sarotech Abiggs 2.5" hdd player and bring the thing to my neighbours house for some alcohol goodies.

evil-samurai

2006-11-08, 23:13

The story was nice but its wasn't something that really! grabbed me. More-so the music does it for me in the show, plus I really like the Voice overs. Though-out the whole episodes I think I was enjoying the music more then anything else. Oh! and it looks like the ending has changed! Nice to see that its going to change every week =)

NoSanninWa

2006-11-08, 23:17

It seems that the concept of male oriented slice-of-life feel-good anime isn't taking off well. Shame, I quite like it. Contrary to what many people who download it believe, this is not a show about drinking. The cocktails aren't the point of the show, they're just a way of summing up what the episode taught us about someone's life.

This show's closest relative is probably Human Crossing Point (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=2978).

tritoch

2006-11-09, 04:23

I love Bartender. And I don't even drink.

Its appealing to adults who were from the 80`s perhaps. But I like the storytelling, its unique and refreshing.

Also, both the Op and Ed songs are killer good. The Op just makes me want to dance to it or something. Its fun.

Baby-D

2006-11-09, 05:03

Yup, Natural High is awesome. And the male vocal in the OP is Shiina Ringo's Brother, Junpei.

I think the drinks can be both a reason for someone to get started with this show and also something that doesn't drive away those who don't drink at all but rather just helps tie the stories together within the episodes. I've enjoyed all 3 episodes.

tritoch

2006-11-09, 05:06

I cried watching episode 3, it was that good. I love this 1 shot episode style (pardon the pun) [no pun intended on that pun quote]

btw, any news on the OST?

And uh, the ending video changes huh? It was that cafe style in episode 1, now the ending shows a margarita.

NoSanninWa

2006-11-09, 05:20

I love Bartender. And I don't even drink. Likewise. Of course, I also love Aria. And I don't even ride a gondola.

Cal-Reflector

2006-11-09, 07:06

With such a novel premise and style of presentation, Bartender looks interesting indeed. Suffice that I felt like a water and whiskey myself after episode 1. Conveniently, I'll be turning 21 in less than 2 weeks.

Lost

2006-11-09, 10:23

It seems that the concept of male oriented slice-of-life feel-good anime isn't taking off well. Shame, I quite like it.
Not true! I've turned semi-gay for Ryuu!!! :upset: (No, JK. But he is hot)

I love Bartender. And I don't even drink.
Suffice that I felt like a water and whiskey myself after episode 1.
Was at Hard Rock Cafe yesterday, and guess what made me down a Martini, and a glass of Jim Beam Black?

I absolutely love the OP as well.. like tritoch said, its fun, and if you see Lunar's sub of the lyrics, its very fitting too. Also, tritoch, each ED features a different drink being made. However, I do want to see more of that lady doing the singing for the ED.

Baby-D

2006-11-09, 13:58

Not sure on the OST but the op single (and maybe the end with it?) is out in december.

lordblazer

2006-11-09, 17:36

Not true! I've turned semi-gay for Ryuu!!! :upset: (No, JK. But he is hot)

Was at Hard Rock Cafe yesterday, and guess what made me down a Martini, and a glass of Jim Beam Black?

I absolutely love the OP as well.. like tritoch said, its fun, and if you see Lunar's sub of the lyrics, its very fitting too. Also, tritoch, each ED features a different drink being made. However, I do want to see more of that lady doing the singing for the ED.

You live in Dallas? nice.. I know you hate the OU vs UT weekend..

ANyway yeah this show is aweosme. Even for a naive underage adult such as myself.

Sorrow-K

2006-11-10, 05:57

Ep 3.

Yet another incredibly heart-warming episode. If a bit ridiculous. I mean, I think the only way to swallow the fact that the character in this episode could come to the realization and then self-redemption after a single Margarita is with a grain of salt (lol get it?).

But they did do a really good job of painting the character through reflection. I guess that's what this series does particularly well. Which is good... a series like this just wouldn't survive if it didn't.

Series continues to deliver pretty much exactly what I figured from the beginning... which is good. If future eps are as enjoyable and heart-warming as this one, well, I'd say we have a winner.

Lost

2006-11-10, 07:03

Delightful, episode 2. Delightful, and brought me near to tears too.

Sorrow-K, I think this is a winner. The abstract way of story-telling only enhances its... flavour.. so to speak. It's touching; it's intellectual -- Ryuu's guesswork, and the revelation at the end that what was important wasnt really the exact drink, but the feelings it was staked on -- and with this episode, it became insightful too:

Bringing across this story in such a way without making it seem an overdone Father-son plot, and later, the Grandfather's reason for change of heart revealed; tho best of all: Ryuu's realization about old-drinks at the end.

The scene that most stuck with me was the figure of an old man silhouetted, raising a glass to an empty seat, with tears flowing from his eyes. It brings tears to one's eyes. Then again, I always had a weak spot for Father-Son relationships.

The epilogue perfectly summed up the whole episode by going back to what it started off with in the beginning: Bars having no menus. This is a beauty, indeed. Its honestly rare that an episode leaves me with a smile like that, the smile I’m wearing as I write this. Heart-warming indeed. A beauty.

I wish I could have a Kaku.

Lost

2006-11-10, 07:12

You live in Dallas? nice.. I know you hate the OU vs UT weekend..
:confused: Nope, I'm not from Dallas. :) I believe Hard Rock is International.

Not sure on the OST but the op single (and maybe the end with it?) is out in december.
Thats great to hear! I need more of the OP, and hopefully, the ED.

You know, I'm wondering if those two Bartenders in episode 2, the old-hands, are based on real people. :heh: I hope to see more of them. They have really dependable faces.

Lol thanks physics! :P =D

physics223

2006-11-10, 07:43

He's from Singapore. :D

Lost

2006-11-10, 07:58

Was at the start of Episode 3, then decided to leave it till another night. Its such a waste watching this back to back. I want to spread this series out as far as possible. :heh: Anyway, just wanted to say that the OST sounds really nice too.

And, even if this is nothing like Mushishi, I think its likely that this will become my Mushishi-fix of the season.

lordblazer

2006-11-10, 10:04

naw nothing can be compared to mushishi. THat show was a master piece. I can't wait for it to be dubbed in English. I will buy all of those DVDs and watch it on my tv :)

TougeSil80

2006-11-11, 11:09

This series is great. I loved ep.1-2, ep3 is not bad either, but the story is a little bit too far fetched. I don't see how that glass of wine is going to make up for anything. But the history of the margarita is interesting. If they keep it this interesting, then it would definitely be a winner.

Varion

2006-11-12, 12:20

btw, any news on the OST?
Yep, it'll be out on the 29th November and include 31 tracks for ￥2,625 (inc. tax). Both YesAsia and CDJapan have it available for preorder if anyone wants to buy it (I may well do after the music in episode 2...)

http://exfrieza.homestead.com/files/dvd01.jpghttp://exfrieza.homestead.com/files/coaster_01.jpg
Also, for financially suicidal fans, the first DVD will be released on the 20th December for ￥4,935. It'll have the first 3 episodes, and the first presses will include an Edenhall coaster (because you KNOW you want one), and a full-colour booklet with cocktail recipes and real photos of them. Hurrah! I'm tempted, but there may be a HD version later...

Lost

2006-11-13, 06:09

:o An EDENHALL COASTER?? I KNOW I want one. Who's gonna buy the DVD but can sell me the coaster? :heh:

tritoch

2006-11-13, 06:51

HD version...

*drools*

HD DVD is the next best thing to those elusive Blu Ray discs.

Lost

2006-11-13, 07:48

Lunar's releases aren't HD?

Anyhow. I really like how they use real pictures for the bottles. Those are real pictures right? They look so incredibly gorgeous.

Varion

2006-11-13, 08:31

:o An EDENHALL COASTER?? I KNOW I want one. Who's gonna buy the DVD but can sell me the coaster? :heh:
Good luck with that =p If I end up justifying the cost to buy one I sure won't be parting with mine.

Lunar's releases aren't HD?
Yeah, they are. What I mean is the DVDs won't look quite as good as a HD version, like if they made a bluray boxset of the series or something.

...I doubt that'd come with a coaster though.

Lost

2006-11-13, 08:32

(I'm a hopeless emo but) Damn I had tears in my eyes at the end of episode 3. Is this normal? :/

Someone earlier mentioned that it was unrealistic (?) how the book opened to that page; and I agree, but I also realised something.

We know this whole show is surreal. For example, suddenly encountering that Girl and her grandfather on the street, and they are conveniently standing to face the camera too. Or that conversation with himself in the taxi. Or those two different bartenders in two different places, knowing whats going on at Edenhall (yay they reappeared! See, there is a main cast). Thats because the presentation of this show is akin to a stageplay. It doesnt matter why the players are there, they just are. It doesnt matter why stuff happens, it just does. As long as the story is told.

And it works! It is effective. Because in this way, theres nothing to complicate the storytelling; no need to go round about to lay the foundation, or establish events. Its just plainly told; but at the same time effectively told to bring across, even emphasise, the "moral" or "theme of the day." And it manages to add a human side to it too.

More people should watch this. And really, lime and salt.. how better to symbolise regret?

GUTB_

2006-11-21, 02:18

Meh. Emo rich people looking for a drink? Bartender means "bar tenderness" as opposed to what it clearly means, "that which tends a bar"?

Bartenders who are some sort of master craftsmen and not minimum wage workers? Heh.

Drink mixing of the heart? lol.

But the series DOES do a good job of bringing across the luxury and atmosphere of a fine glass liquor in the evening. But that is strictly for rich people who have $20 to spend on a good drink.

speedpop

2006-11-21, 08:12

As a bartender myself, I enjoy the heck out of this series. Sure we have our ups and downs throughout each week but the best of nights are always the moments where it is you and the customer in a heart-to-heart conversation of sorts during the quiet moments.

And yes, we do enjoy mixing cocktails to please the customers. Even a simple shooter that brings a smile to the face of the drinker will make me happy. Heck I made some very simple tequila sunrises on Sunday night and the couple were quite happy to watch me craft it.

These are the moments that you enjoy being a bartender. The tiny, somewhat imperfect and insignificant moments where the customer enjoys talking and watching you do your job. There is also no denying that when someone requests a drink that you love to make, you put more effort into it to make sure the drinker enjoys it down to the last sip.

Sorrow-K

2006-11-22, 06:38

Ep 4.

NOOO!!! I've caught the GAR for Sasakura!

I realize it wasn't the intended focus, but I loved the juxtaposition of cool, calm, in control Sasakura next to awkward, nervous whatshisface (did they even introduce his name?). I'm sure we've all felt like thingy at some stage (I know I have) which made it hard not to sympathize with him... although on the flip side of the coin it was just impossible not to respect Sasakura's almost perfect handling of the situation.

I didn't think the second half of the ep was quite as entertaining as the first half. It does require a bit of suspension of disbelief to totally swallow the way that Sasakura solves his customer's situation with something as simple as a cocktail choice, but I suppose that just comes with the territory. But, more importantly than anything else, it is absorbing to watch.

Still thoroughly enjoying this show.

physics223

2006-11-22, 10:07

He's the GARtender (http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/?p=67). Everyone who drinks his MAGIG MAN JOOZ will be GAR for him. :V

tritoch

2006-11-22, 12:25

Ep 4 is... superb. gosh i am moved to tears every darn episode so far.

Lost

2006-11-25, 13:18

Grr.. I wanted to post a shot of Ryuu from episode 4, but imgshack isn't working for me right now. Heh, I hope to more of Yuka-san. Such a klutzy cutie.

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3158/snapshot20061126014100mt0.th.jpg (http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20061126014100mt0.jpg)

God's Glass indeed. I just loved this look on his face. That slight smile of satisfaction; it does not pass him off as aloof, yet clearly makes it obvious that there is none like him.

Sorrow-K

2006-12-03, 06:17

Ep 5.

Ok, so this was the standard "find the will to fight" ep and I didn't really take to the character in this ep, but I still enjoyed it at a purely aesthetic level. Take away the traditional "healing" stories and the characters (which I'd say are varied, in terms of how much I can sympathize with them), and Bartender is still a really good anime, since the directing is so unconventional ("free", I think is the best way to describe it) and the music is just delightful. This anime is all about mood, after all, so they'd be foolish to not put a lot of energy into presenting a visually and aurally pleasant experience.

SeijiSensei

2006-12-03, 11:54

I'd say this was the weakest of the episodes so far. Like you I didn't really care much for the put-upon office worker, but the Hemingway portions were gorgeous. The opening sequence showing the old man heading to sea was breathtakingly beautiful.

Did Papa really drink twelve double daiquiris a night, plus another take-home batch?

Regardless of the stories the score, and especially the ED, can often move me to tears.

For those people have problems watching the series in the H264 format, I've been using mencoder to downconvert the episodes to XVid. This is part of the open-source "mplayer" suite of programs and can be found at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/. There are versions for Linux, OS/X and Windows, along with the source code, of course. Mencoder is a command-line program so it doesn't come with a nice clickable GUI, but it works really well. If you're curious the particular command string I'm using is:

mencoder -o bartender-xvid.avi -oac mp3lame -ovc xvid -xvidencopts pass=1 [Lunar]....mkv

This recodes the file to XVid+mp3 and, by specifiying an .avi extension, puts the result into that container format.

Bartender remains one of my favorite animes this year. It's nice to see a show once in a while where some of the characters are over thirty, and no one's out to save the planet from destruction.

Lost

2006-12-04, 10:22

The opening sequence showing the old man heading to sea was breathtakingly beautiful.
It brings tears to one's eyes. Papa Hemingway was a man known for living life to its extremes; I wouldn’t be surprised if he did. Twelve glasses, and double the rum too. I wouldn’t say this was the weakest episode so far, like Mushishi, I think this is one series where relative comparisons between episodes do not matter, because all of them are still better, or at least different, than that of other series. I liked the story here: of not being defeated, especially how they tied it in with Papa's masterpiece.

What I especially enjoyed here, however, was seeing Ryuu's helplessness behind the counter, and his subsequent apologetic manner and regret; it definitely brought more realism into his character for me. It showed that he isn't all "l33t God-like," but has his limitations too, and what's interesting is that this was a principled restriction; Bartenders can't get involved in the customer's conversation.

“…a bartender will be left with a bad aftertaste.” I just had to go ‘wow’ at that sentence.

aliensporebomb

2006-12-04, 17:31

I've been watching this series and though I'm not a drinker I enjoy it.

This is another slice of life series with a quiet mood which I tend to
enjoy once in a while.

I am watching it on a dual processor completely overbuilt computer so
have no issues with watching the subs but I second the mencoder
recommendation if you can't pay the $10 freight to get that other
encoder that's more cpu efficient.

SeijiSensei

2006-12-04, 19:12

I have a question for the native Japanese speakers here about the translation of the OP. At one point there is the line whose phonetic version reads "konya wa donna yubi tsukai de yowasete kureru tsumori kashira." This is translated as "I wonder how you will use your fingers tonight to get me drunk." (In ep. 5 it occurs at 00:42.) Is that an accurate translation? In the context of the rest of the song, and of the show, something like "to intoxicate me" feels more appropriate, but maybe the Japanese version really does say "to get me drunk." Given that the show doesn't really promote the idea of drunkenness as a goal, but more the role of alcohol in human psychology, social relations, and personal memories, I've always found that line in the OP a bit jarring.

Oh, and those of us not running Windows can't use that other codec mentioned above; it's not available for Linux (or Mac OS/X, I believe).

Lost

2006-12-06, 11:23

I am watching it on a dual processor completely overbuilt computer so
have no issues with watching the subs but I second the mencoder
recommendation if you can't pay the $10 freight to get that other
encoder that's more cpu efficient.
Lol I'm watching it on a dated Sempron (yes it only has one core) with no issues.

"I wonder how you will use your fingers tonight to get me drunk."
I never really had much issues with that, because to me; it has always seemed like a desperate woman was singing that line. While the show doesnt promote drunkeness, thats not to say the customers (especially those jaded and sick of life; see episode 4) can't request to get drunk, and some do. Of course, then, its up to Ryuu to distract them from their worries without getting them drunk.

Nergol

2006-12-17, 15:38

Bartenders who are some sort of master craftsmen and not minimum wage workers? Heh.

Look, what Bartender is is the latest in that odd genre of anime, the "enchanted place that has the item the customer is looking for which will make them feel all better" genre. For example, the library where small miracles happen and they always have just the perfect book for you, or the gondola company that will always make you feel better after a ride.

Or in other words, Bartender = Kokoro Bar.

That said, I enjoy Bartender tremendously. It's not for the Naruto/Trigun crowd, obviously, but for those of us over 30 it has a restrained and mature charm to it. I even bought a bottle of Bushmills 10 Year Old Single Malt that I save exclusively for watching Bartender (Which is why I always save bartender for the very last in our house anime viewing nights - it wouldn't help to get tipsy through Honey and Clover or Karin).

For the little we've seen of her, I must say I like Miwa (the hotel heiress) very much. She's my type - the refined, ladylike, mature sort. They don't make 'em like that anymore - it's a personality type that's getting rare even in Japan.

Lost

2006-12-22, 22:47

:twitch: I just stumbled upon the fact that Bartender's OST and OP/ED single have been released.

/ADD

Oh god, I think my favourite track in the OST is the Hemingway Daiquri track. Featured in episode 5. (It seems it names the track by the names of the spirits they appear with; followed then by that track's title. Nice touch. :)) "Million Dollar" and "Red Eye" are very good too; but I'm not sure what episodes they're from.

Sotski

2006-12-25, 06:17

Hello , I'm new here ..

please I want a subtitles for bartender all eposides :( cuz I wanna watch it quickly , I have it raw ^^

anyone help me ? I'll be very thankful

Lost

2006-12-25, 06:35

Ah, here (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/906.html) you go. Currently, it's only been subbed up to episode 6.

Episode 6

Wow, this one was rather hard to follow.

It made heavy use of metaphors, to tell a story of a story within the glass. Essentially, what seemed like an argument between two old guys (one a director, the other a screenwriter) was really a story of jaded souls trying to reclaim an originality that had been lost in their "whiskey blends." At the climax of that argument, my dear Ryuu (:naughty:) interjected, and as usual, presented a opposite view about those "blends." He made his point by wrapping up with a drink that emphasised the fire of resistance and passion, similar to the slant he had just given the whiskey blends. And also, interestingly, to thank the both of them. Ryuu later revealed a little more about himself (!) as a ten year-old boy: what motivated him to pursue a career such as Bar-tending. Yes, it was due to their original "whiskey blend."@__@

One more thing to add, the ED demonstration for the key liquor in this episode; Aberdeen Angus, was a joy to watch.

SeijiSensei

2006-12-25, 16:42

I enjoyed this episode very much, especially the history of Scotch whiskey. I went through a single-malt phase some years ago and tried a number of the whiskeys on display in this episode. I don't recall the "iodine" flavor they attribute to one of these (Laphroaig?), but I'm not surprised they weren't to Miwa's taste.

Like Nergol, I find Miwa one of the more attractive anime women. I'm glad she made an appearance in this episode. Perhaps you just have to be a bit older to appreciate her appeal.

I also like how the writers break through the "fourth-wall" all the time in this series, either by talking directly to the audience or by showing scenes that appear to be taking place on a sound stage. It enhances the sense of fantasy that underlies this show but enables the writers to place the series in a realistic context.

NoSanninWa

2007-01-01, 19:28

Lost

2007-02-05, 08:01

Bartender continues to impress me, no less with episode 8, with which I've just had the pleasure of catching up. What I liked was being able to peer into Ryuu's concept of lies, even for those of Love, being acceptable at the counter until they, and correspondingly the 'stage' on which they were set, could be remembered for sadness and bitterness in the future. From whence, they were forbidden. His rationale: all memories at a bar should be good ones. I for one was sceptical; don't all lies lead to sadness? Still, in this, it showed a depth I rarely see anywhere else. It made me think and question.

And then, just at that moment when I thought that Ryuu was being selfless in exposing Oda and protecting an innocent woman, a twist was introduced. Two of them, in fact. That Ryuu may have been doing this for a little more selfish reasons was evident from his lingering thoughts on the woman in question. Most touching, it showed that the woman wasn't that innocent after all. The love of this woman for her young daughter, in wanting to get her a father, led this woman to believe in the lie that any man would do. Thus, as the show implied, in a sense Oda wasn’t the only liar At least, that’s the way I'm interpreting it.

And at the end it left me uplifted. I mourn that so little people here appreciate this polished gem of a series.

pathyfinder

2007-02-05, 10:00

A low CPU alternative to fansubbed Bartender has arrived for all of the people who complained about not being able to play h264 High Def encodes. And wouldn't stop complaining.

Conclave is now subbing it, in two flavors. I don't know about anyone else, but I like choice. (My choice is to keep watching Lunar's High Def, but I have empathy for those who can't play it.)

YA HA!!!!! :bow: queue the toni toni chopper sakura dance :D

This is good, as I did give up on Bartender for this reason, and the last review of EP 8, really has me "wanting" guess I'll be patient and wait for the Conclave Crew to catch up!!

*...too busy buying daughters latest gaming lap tops to update my own :heh: shiesh, and mine's only like 4 years old too, was pretty kick ass at the time, but meh*

Joojoobees

2007-02-18, 23:16

I also like how the writers break through the "fourth-wall" all the time in this series, either by talking directly to the audience or by showing scenes that appear to be taking place on a sound stage. It enhances the sense of fantasy that underlies this show but enables the writers to place the series in a realistic context.

This is perhaps the one element that disturbs me in this series. It reminds me a bit of "experimental" high school theater. :eyebrow: It isn't so bad that I can't stand to watch it, and I have to admit that it is an important part of the flavor of the series.

I guess this is an example of the show is already so corny ("the taste of apricots, which reminds me of my lost youth." :cries: ) that they might as well go all the way by having folks that are not physically present in the room suddenly commenting about the inner life of characters who they have never met.

Joojoobees

2007-02-27, 04:33

Wow! :cool:

"Glass" 10 was the best episode yet. It had everything that is great about this series.

Goofus Maximus

2007-02-27, 13:10

I love this series, despite the occasional confusion it creates, with it's stream-of-conciousness method of story-telling.

The Professor in ep. 10 was about the wackiest charactor in this series (not a compliment) and the "Doh!" reaction of the other customers at the bar, to the Professor's shout of "BLACK VELVET!", was annoyingly standard-anime, which this series has avoided to this point.

NoSanninWa

2007-02-27, 18:01

That's exactly why it was surprising to me.

Joojoobees

2007-02-27, 20:37

the "Doh!" reaction of the other customers at the bar, to the Professor's shout of "BLACK VELVET!", was annoyingly standard-anime, which this series has avoided to this point.

That's exactly why it was surprising to me.

Yeah, this is the first time that convention seemed funny to me. I guess I wasn't expecting it, and they did a good set up. Maybe I've finally been brainwashed by all the anime I watch. :eyespin:

SeijiSensei

2007-02-27, 20:49

I still think episode 2, where we learn the story of Miwa the hotel heiress, is my favorite in the series. In fact, I think it's one of the single finest episodes of any anime I've watched. For one thing, it is throughout the most "Japanese" of the episodes: the postwar clash of cultures and the appropriateness of Ryu's choice. Miwa's story itself is very touching; to think she's carried this burden for twenty years. Underlying all this is a beautiful, yet understated piano score that always enhances the events on-screen. Not to mention, Miwa herself. Why isn't this woman fighting off suitors left and right? She does have a big crush on Ryu, though. If he's noticed, and he's obviously too perceptive to have missed it, maybe he feels it would be unprofessional of him to have a relationship with a customer. His loss. (Or maybe he doesn't like girls.)

Like Goofus and NSW, I found episode 10 a bit jarring because the style was distinctly more mainstream than the others. I almost stopped watching around the midway point because I found the professor's character so annoying. I've taught university off and on in my life, and no one carries his or her dissertation around, especially to an elementary school reunion. I think I could find a copy of mine if I looked hard enough, but its importance pales in comparison to other life events like having children!

I did laugh when the two fellow bartenders shook their heads after Ryu claimed anyone could make a Black Velvet with a double-pour. I noticed our real-life bartender pulled off the feat at the end, though. I wonder if they needed more than one take.

hamiko_san

2007-02-27, 21:57

10 things more, you never know.

Joojoobees

2007-02-28, 00:15

I did laugh when the two fellow bartenders shook their heads after Ryu claimed anyone could make a Black Velvet with a double-pour.

That was great. :D

I noticed our real-life bartender pulled off the feat at the end, though. I wonder if they needed more than one take.

It looked like it was 9/10ths foam in the shot with him pouring, then they cut to a shot where there is only foam at the very top. I bet they shot him pouring to the top (with lots of foam), and then had him re-pour it slowly so it would not have as much foam for the final shot.

Lost

2007-02-28, 00:34

Wow! :cool:

"Glass" 10 was the best episode yet. It had everything that is great about this series.
Sounds good! I can't wait. Seems like this show is getting better and better as it nears its end (1 more ep left only :(). I thought 8 was nice, to me, 9 was even better - even the best - and now I hear that 10 is good. Lovely. Looking forward to it. :)

KeiOne

2007-02-28, 01:14

I've been slowly catching up to episode 10. (currently on episode 7) I've been really enjoying the show for the well written story. Some of the drinks are a stretch to me sometimes but they pull off a good job with each "Glass of the Gods".
I was wondering if anyone had full translations of the full opening and ending themes? Not the TV size endings, but the full versions of both songs. If I'm in the wrong forum for this hock it up to nOObism, but I'm willing to take a shot.
(FYI, Opening - Bartender, Ending - Hajimari no Hito)

aliensporebomb

2007-02-28, 12:08

I still think episode 2, where we learn the story of Miwa the hotel heiress, is my favorite in the series. In fact, I think it's one of the single finest episodes of any anime I've watched. For one thing, it is throughout the most "Japanese" of the episodes: the postwar clash of cultures and the appropriateness of Ryu's choice. Miwa's story itself is very touching; to think she's carried this burden for twenty years. Underlying all this is a beautiful, yet understated piano score that always enhances the events on-screen. Not to mention, Miwa herself. Why isn't this woman fighting off suitors left and right? She does have a big crush on Ryu, though. If he's noticed, and he's obviously too perceptive to have missed it, maybe he feels it would be unprofessional of him to have a relationship with a customer. His loss. (Or maybe he doesn't like girls.)

My impression:

I think he's noticed, but he's also a professional and maybe he's a little
unsure of what to do in order to keep things light and happy and not
make it uncomfortable. Sometimes that initial period where you're still
friends but obviously interested romantically can be exciting to prolong.
Maybe later in the series we'll see some things happen, maybe not.

kujoe

2007-03-07, 04:12

I guess I'm kind of late with this question, but referring to episode 10, who is this Mika-chan? The episode seems to imply that the viewer is supposed to be familiar with her considering the way her identity was unveiled.

As for my favorite episode so far, I would have to say it's the ninth. There were a few moments wherein the story felt like it "pushing it" in terms of overrating the significance of certain drinks, but it's still acceptable as it's still part of the overall style and mood of the show. But episode nine really hit the spot. It's really something... The one about the married couple is also particularly touching.

Lost

2007-03-07, 05:59

I've to agree about episode 9. One of the reasons why I liked episode 9 is because it showed up Ryuu's vulnerability - in his raw, young and inexperienced spiritedness when tackling the issue of that old man. However, there was a big part of 9 that I did not understand. I'll have to rewatch and post again.

Sigh I'm rather behind.. there's just this inertia that prevents me from watching any series lately. D:

Joojoobees

2007-03-07, 06:44

Not to mention, Miwa herself. Why isn't this woman fighting off suitors left and right? She does have a big crush on Ryu, though. If he's noticed, and he's obviously too perceptive to have missed it, maybe he feels it would be unprofessional of him to have a relationship with a customer. His loss. (Or maybe he doesn't like girls.)

I sometimes think Ryu isn't a human being. In a way, Bartender is a fairy tale, and Ryu's like a magical creature. Eden Hall is a portal to some other world where problems are solved that, if left in the human realm, would otherwise be intractable.

As such Ryu can't get involved with a human. He may not even age at the same rate we do.

Goofus Maximus

2007-03-07, 09:57

I don't know. I have hope for a Miwa/Ryu understanding of some sort or other, ever since the "Black Witch" episode.

Lost

2007-03-07, 10:33

[...]

As such Ryu can't get involved with a human. He may not even age at the same rate we do.
So that's why I liked episode 9 and 8. Because they brought out Ryuu's human side!

aliensporebomb

2007-03-07, 16:44

I actually thought of an idea how this could work too.

Miwa is at the bar, so is Ryu and two of the other older bartenders. She
asks Ryu if he can escort her to her vehicle / bus stop or something like
that. If he were to gallantly agree that would give them some one-on-one
time to talk and you never know what a slightly tipsy hotel heiress might
try when in the presence of a cute bartender she has a crush on.

Probably not happen though.

Joojoobees

2007-03-07, 20:05

Lost

2007-03-08, 04:41

Hehe. Watching 10, I understand what may have almost put some off. For the most part of the first half, we had the usual fare of melancholy, reserved, storytelling style of Bartender we're used to, then suddenly there's a near 180° style-reversal to one that can only be described as "a joke." Even though it was a little jarring at first yes, I'm glad it was a change from the usual formula. I LOL'ed when the Professor brought out the Navier-Stokes equation. I also LOL'ed when he gave his "victory" thoughts, and later when he screamed BLACK VELVET and the subsequent reaction from the counter. "Bartender-kun" FTW haha. And honestly, the Professor's character was a great stereotype of bum-headed academics (no offence to anyone) who think they know everything in their field - some found it annoying; I thought it was a refreshing show of variety in characters. Obviously, this episode deviated so much from the usual atmosphere that this has to be the most comedic episode in Bartender. At the same time, it lived up to it's Christmas title in everyway - ending even with a reunion of sorts (//It was nice to see the woman and her daughter from episode 8 throughout this episode).

I enjoyed every bit of the episode. :D

//Well, the question I had for episode 9 was solved with a re-watch. I don't believe I've commented on 9. Just to say, I think this one reached deep. My favourite scene in this episode, up there with the scene of the reminiscing Father in episode 2, is when Ryuu rebuts "Master" on the street with what he feels about Minegishi-sama. Not only did it reach deep into the psyche of Minegishi-sama, but also that of Ryuu's. And all this accompanied by the most moving piano score. I urge everyone to watch that again - it starts somewhere after 12:00 minutes. In the end, Ryuu was defeated by the stubbornness of a proud old man. Sigh.

tritoch

2007-03-09, 05:09

Ep 09 was leagues better than ep10. Its like eating the appetizer and being full to skip the meal.

I cried so hard while watching ep 9 [cause I got the darn story with my first view T__T]

I ran the the files Lunar has on my old p3 800mhz pc [vintage:1999] and it still works. Kudos to my dad who loves overbuilt computers [i think p3 was the fastest at that time ^^]

Goofus Maximus

2007-03-09, 12:31

For me, I can live with episode 10 because the "4 candles" story redeemed the rest of it. Also, the more I rewatched episode ten, the more the silly professor seemed like a regular charactor than just a standard anime goofball, as you can probably tell by my avatar...

Joojoobees

2007-03-09, 13:45

I liked the 4 candles, too. I almost snatched a line from it for my sig, but decided to use something more positive instead ;)

Lost

2007-03-11, 11:00

The good people at Lunar Anime have subbed 11. Last episode guys!

Goofus Maximus

2007-03-11, 11:33

FINAL?!?!? Episode 11 is the final episode? WAAAAH!

aliensporebomb

2007-03-11, 17:55

Wow, it barely started. Oh well.

Joojoobees

2007-03-11, 18:09

Yeah, it was really short.

Kind of a wistful episode. I guess that couldn't be helped given that it was about the show ending. I know in theory Eden Hall will open again, and since it isn't constrained to the normal laws of time and space, I might even see it's door on some street I walk down without going to the Ginza district, but I'm sorry to see it go.

Lost

2007-03-11, 21:48

My vision was misty by the end of the episode.

I agree with Joojoobees, this was a wistful episode. In parts of it's presentation, with the three bartenders facing and looking straight on; with how the two older bartenders felt about helping Ryuu as they had faced the same trials; it certainly felt wistful. And yet even that word seems so woefully inadequate to describe this episode. It was truly a sending off, of Ryuu, and of ourselves as we are left to continue life without the benefit of the healing of Glass of Gods; which really, isn't one drink, but any cocktail that saves the soul of a person lost in life.

Among the bartender-centric themes in focussed on in this episode, The Macallan 1946 - the water of life - was beautiful because it was so skilfully applied to the wish of each bartender for his customers; and the risk made and uncertainty in presenting each cocktail but that is carried by the hope beyond hope that it will heal the customer. That the life contained in each bottle would soothe the Life of people; that the Bartender would continue to think of what he could give to people. To see that this symbolism was realised in the practice of passing it on to each generation of bartenders that graced the counter of Eden Hall.

Ryuu's bow-out, and his last words as the sun rose over the city of Ginza, couldn't have been a more fitting end. This is a special episode, and one fitting for a conclusion, because among the rest, no where else are the responsibilities, joys, tears, defeats of the craft, nay, life, of a bartender so deeply focused on and celebrated.This episode surpassed all in that it was truly a celebration of bartenders, and a tribute to their art. But really, the same can be said of this whole series, can't it? This ride was an honour to have made with Ryuu. Like Joojoobees, and reflecting the words of the narrator, I am sure that Eden Hall will once again open its door some day; with a new face, and surely, new patrons.

kujoe

2007-03-11, 23:57

Couldn't have said it better, Lost.

The theatrical style really suits this series, and it shows especially in this episode. As for the episode itself, I found it surprisingly moving in its own way.

In retrospect, I like how this anime shows the connection between memory and moving forward, at each step in each moment, always looking back with the will to meet ourselves on the next day.

It's just too bad. These characters really grew in me. I certainly would like to see them passing the time at Eden Hall once again, but perhaps in some other time, whenever that time may be. How wistful indeed, and yet I can't help but feel that it all ends too quickly.

Joojoobees

2007-03-12, 05:26

In retrospect, I like how this anime shows the connection between memory and moving forward, at each step in each moment, always looking back with the will to meet ourselves on the next day.

Yes, my favorite line from the episode was:
"People change, so don't change the taste of the spirits. That way, when customers come to the bar, they can meet their past selves.

:( I'm sorry this show is over. I don't know anything like it.

Sorrow-K

2007-03-12, 07:03

That was a very fitting ending. Concluding episodic slice-of-life series is traditionally quite difficult, but this got it spot on by trying to do something special, yet fitting... and it executed it perfectly. Very heartwarming ending to a very heartwarming anime.

Dop

2007-03-12, 17:54

That was a truly magical end to a truly magical series, quite unlike anything I've seen before. Will we ever see its like again?

(Although biplanes and triplanes in the Second World War? If they'd researched their history as much as their drink they could at least have had a picture of a Spitfire! Although I can see how researching drink would be lots more fun!)

tenunda

2007-04-03, 00:31

I've got a question concerning episode #7 about that "black witch" scene.

What's it all about? That whole scene seemed significant, but it wasn't explained then or after, and I don't know what I'm missing.

Does anyone know what that "black witch" drink was supposed to represent? I mean, it can't be an obvious answer involving only its name. And what about that -- -- thing Ryuu puts into her glass that he later denies putting in there? I don't get it. Maybe the "black witch" was only meant to foreshadow what happens to Ryuu right after, but that still doesn't explain the mystery ingredient. Ice?

Maybe I'm just overcomplicating this, but if anyone could shed some light on this for me, I'd really appreciate it.

strategos

2007-07-25, 17:40

Any hopes for this series getting a second season or even license?
Is the Manga in the StateS?

NoSanninWa

2007-07-26, 03:41

Any hopes for this series getting a second season or even license?
Is the Manga in the StateS?
There is always hope. There just isn't any news.

And the manga is not licensed either.

Recalcitrant

2007-07-26, 22:02

Just a random note:
There was a blatant Bartender reference in Getsumento Heiki Miina 7.

EDITx2:

http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb126/Recalcitrant2501/bar1.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb126/Recalcitrant2501/bar2.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb126/Recalcitrant2501/bar3.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb126/Recalcitrant2501/bar4.jpg
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb126/Recalcitrant2501/bar5.jpg

wingdarkness

2007-07-27, 00:18

Quite sad...After watching Bartender, in my nightlife I asked Barkeeps for countless drinks I learned about in the anime and almost none of them knew how to fix them...Ask for a Pastis water and damn near got kicked outta the Hookah-Bar^^...I actually wanted to try a "Bartender" and no one knew what i was talking about..Oh well, in any event great series, I mean I learned alot of things that i'll try to incorporate into my intoxicated low-life activities :p...

kujoe

2007-07-27, 00:28

There is always hope. There just isn't any news.

And the manga is not licensed either.
Just thinking... Usually the case is the manga has more content than its anime counterpart, and I hope this is also true for Bartender. We could see more stories coming from Eden Hall if this is true—a small possibility at the very least—but with an ending like that, I'm not sure how a second season could even effectively begin.

psycho bolt

2007-08-31, 15:01

This is a very enjoyable show. I learned a lot of the life leasons and the different types of drinks. No longer will I find Bars intimitating. I wish there was a bar like this show, so I can drink to drown all my sorrows.

strategos

2007-09-10, 22:54

Any chance this series getting more episodes?

SeijiSensei

2007-09-10, 23:31

It seems really unlikely given the ending in episode 11. Perhaps someone here has read the manga and knows if there's more material?

psycho bolt

2007-09-11, 11:00

Don't think so there are 6 volumes of the manga. But on the website it says there is a 9 volume out. There is another manga called Sommelier made by the same mangka. It hasn't been adapted to a anime yet.

Edit: The current statis on manga-updates says the manga is still going.

strategos

2007-09-16, 16:16

What is Sommelier about?
sorry for the off topic.

psycho bolt

2007-09-16, 17:35

Probably like a storyline like Bartender, there is a Sommelier who helps people.

Khu

2011-04-18, 06:34

Ohai...

Well, resurrecting this thread from the dead:

Just watched this after reading the manga, absolutely loving it. It's refreshing from all that's airing at the moment, and it's informative too. :D

Reckoner

2012-03-06, 01:02

Why is this anime so terribly pretentious :twitch: and cheap.

SeijiSensei

2012-03-07, 19:43

Watch it again when you're forty. You might have different opinion.

Archon_Wing

2012-03-10, 02:43

Watch it again when you're forty. You might have different opinion.

Hmm, does it slow down so much by then that I can appreciate <5 fps anime? :D

Well, I did like the first episode, but I just felt the whole thing had pretty poor production values and I dunno... it didn't really feel like stuff was happening.

I guess I should have been drinking when watching this. Perhaps that was the intended use.

SeijiSensei

2012-03-10, 18:22

The first episode is probably the weakest. My favorites are the second episode, where we learn about Miwa's past, and the episode with the two movie directors, where we learn about the rebellious history of scotch. The Hemingway episode is pretty good, too.

As for the production values, I never pay much attention to those if I find the stories and characters involving.

Dop

2012-03-11, 20:26

The episode with the two movie directors was fantastic, as was the Hemingway one, which was as close to an anime adaptation of Hemingway as we're likely to get.

I always found this show to be a very theatrical one. I found it very easy to imagine episodes being put on as a stage play without much change. And I liked that.

It was never about the quality of the animation, it was about the quality of the writing. I loved this show. It is in my "Anime for Grown-Ups" list.

Reckoner

2012-03-12, 04:04

Watch it again when you're forty. You might have different opinion.

As for the production values, I never pay much attention to those if I find the stories and characters involving.

It has nothing to do with my age. It's my fault for watching this since I don't even like alcohol to begin with, but the premise and ideas behind it I simply cannot swallow.

Production values do matter to me though, at times I felt like I was watching a picture book instead of animation. To me that's a problem because it's making poor use of the animated medium. It doesn't have to be amazing by any means, just reasonable. Having 2 frames per second literally at times was just a bit tiresome.

SeijiSensei

2012-07-13, 18:05

I discovered today that someone has posted the entire series of Lunar fansubs to YouTube. The AS page (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/906.html) for this show has dead tracker links. They are in 360p, though, not the 720p originals, but we've already talked about whether visual quality is what makes this show or not. I still feel sad for little Miwa in 360p or 720p.

Someone composed a convenient playlist (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBC27A43F92EC79F9). Who knows how long the show will be left alone, but it's been a couple of months now.