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Al Hazard and Belka are two different civilizations, all we know of Al Hazard is that it was a highly advanced civilization destroyed by their own advanced technology. What exactly happened is unknown. As Nanya said, it predated both Mid and Belka.
itanshi1
2009-08-03, 14:09
yes, el hazard predated belka. belka likely became an empire because of their ability to use the tech of el hazard.
so mid is not their home world? Awkward, I wonder if that will be addressed currently. I'd have to do some agile moves to work with it.
Or, could it be on their home world?
ghost_zero5
2009-08-03, 14:11
I wonder, if the origin of Belka/home world of Belka is even known in Midchilda currently.
Funny thing would be if it turned out to be Nanoha's and Hayate's home planet/birth planet :)
itanshi1
2009-08-03, 14:13
Yeah, that's the other silly possibility. What was the name of mid-childa's home world again? Remember its just a military base planet to them.
prescience
2009-08-03, 14:16
The planet is named Midchilda, IIRC.
Also, it seems highly unlikely that the Belkan homeworld is Earth (or rather, "Non-Administrated [sp?] World #97"); the ancient civilizations seem to have been rather bad at disposing of their magical artifacts, so you'd expect that their homeworld would still have quite a few lying around. The only ones that we have come across on Earth were the Jewel Seeds from S1, and that was only because Yuuno's expedition dropped them here.
Actually, Mid Childa is the home world of the TSAB. :p That's why the Ground Force HQ is placed there.
itanshi1
2009-08-03, 14:20
Could have sworn there was another planet x_x I mean, the actual population on Mid Childa seems single nation sized, small one at that. So where do they make their navy ships at?
We've only seen one continent after, and a handful of city shots. Hardly enough to make a good estimation of Mid's population.
But there are other planets, yes. Several cast members are from different planets.
Xellos-_^
2009-08-03, 14:26
Could have sworn there was another planet x_x I mean, the actual population on Mid Childa seems single nation sized, small one at that. So where do they make their navy ships at?
we need to see more of MidChilda to make that determination. Part of Mid looks like moderm day metropolis and then you have other parts occupied by tribes like the one Caro was form. which looks like the Aussie outback. Then you also have ruines dotting the landscape.
Now there's an interesting question, is Caro's tribe a Mid-Childa tribe? Or one from a different world?
Xellos-_^
2009-08-03, 14:36
Now there's an interesting question, is Caro's tribe a Mid-Childa tribe? Or one from a different world?
i always thought it was form Mid along with the Scrya tribe.
Mid really is the perfect setting for a RPG.
Technomagic world still recovering form a long devasating war. Huge cities, Ancient mysterious ruins, wild tribes with strange powers. And lots of orphan.
you can have a decent rpg without orphans.
ghost_zero5
2009-08-03, 14:39
But even then the question remains if it is from a Mid from the world Mid childa or from another world that also belongs to Mid but is not the planet Mid childa..?
But even then the question remains if it is from a Mid from the world Mid childa or from another world that also belongs to Mid but is not the planet Mid childa..?
I don't think so. Mid Childa is Mid Childa, worlds don't 'belong' to Mid Childa, at most they're administered worlds under the TSAB.
LoweGear
2009-08-03, 14:47
Midchilda is... Midchilda. Much like how Earth is Earth, or Mars is Mars. And Midchilda is just the central planet for the TSAB. Hardly a difficult concept to grasp :heh:
Also, saying that Midchild's population is "nation sized" is hardly a good observation. It's like seeing a movie about New York and then saying that it's the entire population of Earth. :heh:
"All your base are belong to us."
/Obligatory.
*HIDES*
prescience
2009-08-03, 14:56
Could have sworn there was another planet x_x I mean, the actual population on Mid Childa seems single nation sized, small one at that. So where do they make their navy ships at?
The TSAB main branch/interdimensional navy HQ is floating somewhere in dimensional space, which is why it took so long for Chrono to get the fleet to Mid during StrikerS. Midchilda is only the location of the HQ for the Ground Forces.
ghost_zero5
2009-08-03, 15:29
I don't think so. Mid Childa is Mid Childa, worlds don't 'belong' to Mid Childa, at most they're administered worlds under the TSAB.
OK that is true :)
Laevatein
2009-08-03, 16:19
Vivio's learning martial arts at such a young age. You'd think Nanoha would be want her to learn how to make friends instead...
Oh, wait...
Forget I said anything.
Vivio's learning martial arts at such a young age. You'd think Nanoha would be want her to learn how to make friends instead...
Oh, wait...
Forget I said anything.
Eh, learning them around age ten isn't that young all things considered... *Looks at other series for martial arts and magic.*
Making friends...
Well, as long as Nanoha doesn't blow someone up in ViVid or Force, she won't make any new friends...
Right?
...
Right?
Uh, guys?
Fuyu no Sora
2009-08-03, 16:43
Eh, learning them around age ten isn't that young all things considered... *Looks at other series for martial arts and magic.*
Making friends...
Well, as long as Nanoha doesn't blow someone up in ViVid or Force, she won't make any new friends...
Right?
...
Right?
Uh, guys?
Non, non, non *makes 'tsk tsk' motions with her finger*
When have we had Nanoha (whether in Nanoha, A's or StrikerS) NOT use a Starlight Breaker at least once? If that were to to happen, the Nanoha franchise would really be doomed FOREVER! (This is meant as a joke, please do not start arguments because of it, eh? -.-)
EDIT: Oh, nice.
Page claim for Nanoha blowing things up with her Starlight Breaker!
Well i am sure we all assume that Ingvalt is going to be befriended by Vivo Nanoha's style :uhoh:
NorthernFallout
2009-08-03, 16:47
^ The possibility is high... but I hope Ingvalt does her thing before that and we get some badassery. Then I shalt rejoice.
Ingvalt being beaten to a pulp in hand to hand combat by Vivio and ending up befriended. I know I'm looking forward to it. :3
^ The possibility is high... but I hope Ingvalt does her thing before that and we get some badassery. Then I shalt rejoice.
There's a high chance that Nove is going to be trashed next chapter just to prove the point that Ingvalt is a serious threat :upset:
NorthernFallout
2009-08-03, 16:53
Ingvalt being beaten to a pulp in hand to hand combat by Vivio and ending up befriended. I know I'm looking forward to it. :3
I'd like to see how that fight goes actually. Would be nice with pure unarmed combat without devices, don't ahve a lot of that either way.
There's a high chance that Nove is going to be trashed next chapter just to prove the point that Ingvalt is a serious threat :upset:
Indeed, but judging from the usual injuries in this series, it won't be a lot... I certainly hope they break that line of thought.
Then again, having Nove disabled, not being able to perform awesomeness martial art herself, would be quite a loss.
ghost_zero5
2009-08-03, 17:06
Wasn't Nanoha pretty extreme injured in a flashback in StrikerS?
I think Ato is referring to something a bit more... permanent injury.
NorthernFallout
2009-08-03, 17:08
@ghost: Right, true. How could I forget that, that was one of my favorite moments. Well... I don't wish for Nove to be THAT injured. That would put her out of action through the whole manga... then again I do like such things...
synaesthetic
2009-08-03, 17:32
It's not so much designed to appeal to 'a male audience', it's designed to appeal to the fans of Nanoha who were drawn to the series because of its 'magical girl meets military' setting. In short: The fans who were drawn to Nanoha because of StrikerS.
Gender has little to do with it.
This makes sense. I liked StrikerS primarily because it was a continuation, a "where are they now" after A's. If I had never seen the other two, I probably would not have liked StrikerS nearly as much.
Teana would have probably been enough to keep me interested though. I never can resist a good tsundere, especially when romance is not explicitly involved. ^^;
To make them even more interested? It's certainly held my interests, and the rest of the people who frequent the OC chatroom and OC threads (which is like the majority of the people who patronize this quaint Nanoha corner of Animesuki :heh: )
Yeah, I suppose you're right. Looking at it from Keroko's point that 7arcs is operating on the assumption that a lot of fans were introduced to the series with StrikerS, it makes sense to play things out this way.
I wonder though, does 7arcs think those who liked the magical-girl elements just jumped ship during StrikerS? Or are they just totally ignoring that side of things? Or do they intend ViVid to fulfill that niche?
It certainly doesn't fill the niche for me, so I may be rewatching the original Futari wa Pretty Cure again soon. ^^;
And while your points are true in a lot of ways (even I think the opening chapter is kinda cliche, reminds me somewhat of Erementar Gerade), I think the authors were acutely aware of the changes they were about to create when they conceptualized Force, hence the change in the actual title: It's not Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Force, it's Magical War Chronicles Lyrical Nanoha Force, which is a change that speaks to the genre shift that it should introduce.
Which is precisely my point. A lot of us liked the fact that MGLN took the magical-girl archetype and put it through the cleansing fires of Hell. It removed the dead weight, the pointless go-nowhere relationship triangles, the endless filler episodes and the Monsters of the Week. It took all that stuff that takes up space from the genre, took the essence of what remained and then proceeded to crank it up BEYOND THE IMPOSSIBLE.
I've always been a fan of the magical-girl genre, and I used to get people into Nanoha's first two seasons with the line, "After watching Nanoha, you'll hate all other magical-girl series for being insufficiently crazy awesome."
I would like to point out though that the "Magical Girl" title actually can be a turn off/deterrent for those people who might be interested. I know that I was hesitant in seeing what the deal about a "Magical Girl" Nanoha is about despite the good things I was hearing... until I watched Nanoha Starlight Breaker Kira Yamato's ass in a youtube MAD :heh: The "Magical Girl" title holds a certain stigma of girliness that's quite hard to penetrate, and even while the actual series itself is far from your average mahou shoujo, I can imagine the traditional magical girl elements that are there might make some a bit... uneasy. So for those of us men who were able to sit down through the first season and enjoy (or tolerate depending on your mileage) those elements of the show, having a title aimed squarely at all the things we liked about the Nanohaverse is a good thing.
I can understand this, but some of us liked those magical-girl elements and we're sad to see them being deleted from the series. Even the new movie re-imaging of the first season's promotional images show a troubling trend for the magical-girl fans. Looking at Nanoha's and Raising Heart's appearance, every trace of pink has been removed, Nanoha's ribbon has been replaced with an intricate gold medal similar to the one her Barrier Jacket had in StrikerS.
Hell, the movie's tagline is to "re-image the first season of MGLN in the style of StrikerS." Which is a polite way of saying, "we're going to delete all the magical girl tropes and elements entirely."
This is not a rant about how I like Force, or that ViviD sucks - in fact I like both, ViviD for Sankt Kaiser and Ancient Belkan awesomeness, and Force for its more shounen nature. I just would like to point out to both sides of the fence that this discussion is more or less... pointless, since all we're discussing are subjective preferences and tastes, and not objective facts and figures. You like what you like, I like what I like, agree to disagree. Can we move on then?
Agreed. I'll try to be happy for those of you who are still interested while I mope and rewatch the first two seasons and lament the partial genre shift. ^^;
*oggles some more Lily nipples*
*is SHOT*
Nena does not approve. *crosses arms*
Yeah, I suppose you're right. Looking at it from Keroko's point that 7arcs is operating on the assumption that a lot of fans were introduced to the series with StrikerS, it makes sense to play things out this way.
I wonder though, does 7arcs think those who liked the magical-girl elements just jumped ship during StrikerS? Or are they just totally ignoring that side of things? Or do they intend ViVid to fulfill that niche?
It certainly doesn't fill the niche for me, so I may be rewatching the original Futari wa Pretty Cure again soon. ^^;
Again, 7Arcs is an animation studio, and has nothing to do with Vivid. The one whom you should be looking at for thinking this is the creator of Nanoha himself. And it's quite easy for him to make that assumption, considering StrikerS beat the sales of the first season and A's combined.
But yes, I do think he intends to please both sides of his audience. Vivid for the more traditional magical girl fans, Force for the more military magical girl fans.
I personal pet-theory of mine is that these two manga are also to test the waters to see which of the two settings is more popular, in order to get a clear direction for a possible new anime season.
I've always been a fan of the magical-girl genre, and I used to get people into Nanoha's first two seasons with the line, "After watching Nanoha, you'll hate all other magical-girl series for being insufficiently crazy awesome."
If Vivid tones down on the fanservice a bit, you'll still have a manga to use that line with.
Though I think Force will fill that line as well, regardless of Thoma. Every magical girl anime has at least one guy capable of ass-kicking after all. Mamoru, what's-his-name elf boy from Tokyo Mew Mew, hell Shugo Chara has a whole slew of them. From the ever awesome Kukai to the traditional 'chaotic neutral' Ikuto.
NorthernFallout
2009-08-03, 17:56
If Vivid tones down on the fanservice a bit, you'll still have a manga to use that line with.
Oh man, regarding that, I give ViviD 1 or 2 more chapters and if that continues I might just as well read the transcripts or ask IRC about the vital info. When I did the speededit, TSS had the latter part and I only took a look at that today. O'boy...
TheShinySword
2009-08-03, 17:58
TT-TT Ax left me with all the kiddy porn bits. Seriously though, the fanservice in vivid (both the naked vivio and the family fanservice) is too much, I'll keep reading for the bits of plot but fanserivice shouldn't be half the chapter, 1-2 pages of fanservice, okay, half the chapter is too much.
Fuyu no Sora
2009-08-03, 19:31
I personal pet-theory of mine is that these two manga are also to test the waters to see which of the two settings is more popular, in order to get a clear direction for a possible new anime season.
Keroko-kun always arrives at awesome conclusions *nod nod*
This makes perfect sense. Since it's always been a series that took elements from both magical girl (mostly in the first season) and military settings (emphasized in StrikerS), it's natural that fans would clash in preferences so it's a really smart move. Personally, more military and Mid/Belka story would make me happy.
TT-TT Ax left me with all the kiddy porn bits. Seriously though, the fanservice in vivid (both the naked vivio and the family fanservice) is too much, I'll keep reading for the bits of plot but fanserivice shouldn't be half the chapter, 1-2 pages of fanservice, okay, half the chapter is too much.
Lol. Careful Shiny, if someone walks in on you when you're editing/reading that, they might get the wrong idea...
synaesthetic
2009-08-03, 19:34
TT-TT Ax left me with all the kiddy porn bits. Seriously though, the fanservice in vivid (both the naked vivio and the family fanservice) is too much, I'll keep reading for the bits of plot but fanserivice shouldn't be half the chapter, 1-2 pages of fanservice, okay, half the chapter is too much.
This is a case of Misaimed Author rather than Misaimed Fandom--those of us who liked the magical-girl elements could do without that variety of fanservice. Fanservice is all well and good--who doesn't like seeing cute girls, after all? But this is too much.
You have to leave room for plot after all. ^^;
Keroko-kun always arrives at awesome conclusions *nod nod*
This makes perfect sense. Since it's always been a series that took elements from both magical girl (mostly in the first season) and military settings (emphasized in StrikerS), it's natural that fans would clash in preferences so it's a really smart move. Personally, more military and Mid/Belka story would make me happy.
It makes sense, yes, but for me it was the combination that was the most tasty and delicious. A's isn't my favorite season for no reason. It had the perfect, most light and fluffy mixture of magical-girl, paramilitary, mecha, sci-fantasy and action tropes.
Plus I really do not like Vivio. I was facepalming Captain Picard-style when she showed up in StrikerS, obviously a McGuffin Girl and a Little Miss Fanservice used specifically to further excite the Nanoha/Fate shippers and placate the people crying about the main cast not being lolis anymore.
While I dig lolis, I prefer them to be more murderous and creepy (Maria-chan uuuuuuu~). I was happy with Nanoha, Fate and Hayate growing up. Most magical girls are teenagers these days anyway, so it wasn't unusual to me. It's a shame Vivio's Boat Lights didn't make her inherit Souseiseki's Jerkass personality, it would have made her more interesting. ^^;
The whole splitting is causing the problem the original two seasons solved. Together, the elements worked fabulously. Apart, they just become mundane examples of what they once were before Nanoha ever came along.
I should really stop bitching but MGLN is one of the few things that I shamelessly fangirl over, and like my other fangirl-fixations space sims, adventure games, survival horror, and Black Isle, it appears to be dying or changing into something I don't want. =/
Estavali
2009-08-03, 20:46
There's a high chance that Nove is going to be trashed next chapter just to prove the point that Ingvalt is a serious threat :upset:
Things might not go all that bad actually, imho. If Nove is as good as what the chapters so far has suggested (or if Ingvalt ends the fight without pulling any ZOMG technique), it's highly possible that it'll end with a draw and a shaken/displeased/unsatisfied Nove without too much injuries. She's a Combat Cyborg after all, and these ladies have been shown to be really resilient ;).
Yo! Figured I'd de-lurk and start meddling in the conversation a bit ;)
It makes sense, yes, but for me it was the combination that was the most tasty and delicious. A's isn't my favorite season for no reason. It had the perfect, most light and fluffy mixture of magical-girl, paramilitary, mecha, sci-fantasy and action tropes.
Plus I really do not like Vivio. I was facepalming Captain Picard-style when she showed up in StrikerS, obviously a McGuffin Girl and a Little Miss Fanservice used specifically to further excite the Nanoha/Fate shippers and placate the people crying about the main cast not being lolis anymore.
While I dig lolis, I prefer them to be more murderous and creepy (Maria-chan uuuuuuu~). I was happy with Nanoha, Fate and Hayate growing up. Most magical girls are teenagers these days anyway, so it wasn't unusual to me. It's a shame Vivio's Boat Lights didn't make her inherit Souseiseki's Jerkass personality, it would have made her more interesting. ^^;
The whole splitting is causing the problem the original two seasons solved. Together, the elements worked fabulously. Apart, they just become mundane examples of what they once were before Nanoha ever came along.
I should really stop bitching but MGLN is one of the few things that I shamelessly fangirl over, and like my other fangirl-fixations space sims, adventure games, survival horror, and Black Isle, it appears to be dying or changing into something I don't want. =/
Yeaaaaahhhhh, not to be mean or anything here, but it's just like TK said a few pages back: Basically you're just whining 'cause the franchise's moving on to something different than your tastes. While understandable, it's not exactly the best for a discussion, 'specially since the topic's been so thoroughly talked for the last 10 pages or so.
You finally get to why you really don’t like it; because it’s daring to deviate from the tired formula used up to this point? This sort of argument never fails to disgust me. People will always be like “This stinks they need to try some new stuff if I was in charge I’d change it in so and so way!” So the writers try something new and do change things and then these same idiots are “They changed it now it sucks!!!”
I’m tired of this, I’m tired of whiny fanboys that just want the same shit spewed out again and again and again. They’re a plauge that effects all fandoms and that’s killed more then one by forcing writers into an endless cycle of receptive garbage that soon even THEY tire of. Force looks to be trying something new and for that I applaud it and for all the whiners I say piss off and don’t read it then. Besides the genre shift will probably attract new people so it's not much of a loss IMO.
Quoted for Truth. Thanks TK.
*Waves to Sora-chan* Hey, been a while~!
synaesthetic
2009-08-03, 22:33
Everything seems to be going in directions I don't like. PC gaming has fallen on its ass, far from the glories of the late 90s and early 2000s, dominated by grindfest MMORPGs and console ports. Space sims are all but gone, so are adventure games. One of the few remaining things I fangirl over has turned into just another generic boys' action story.
And I'm not supposed to be upset. I'm just whining and I should shut up and accept the changes besides disliking them. Riiiiight.
I'll recuse myself from any further discussion in this thread. It's sad to say but the old adage is true--all good things must come to an end.
Bananoha
2009-08-03, 22:40
Er, MQ-ish thing of the StrikerS chapter thing (http://www.mediafire.com/?mlnmmmz35qy).
Would do the first 2/3 with the HQ scans [and a better job at cleaning], but understaffed at work + me getting = I can't afford to get sick and need to rest more. OTLThough I'll re-do it if no one else does when I can....hell Shugo Chara has a whole slew of them. From the ever awesome Kukai to the traditional 'chaotic neutral' Ikuto.NAGIHIKO, hurr hurr.I guess I really have to read the latest Force and Vivid chapters now with all this talk. >>;
LoweGear
2009-08-03, 23:05
Everything seems to be going in directions I don't like. PC gaming has fallen on its ass, far from the glories of the late 90s and early 2000s, dominated by grindfest MMORPGs and console ports. Space sims are all but gone, so are adventure games. One of the few remaining things I fangirl over has turned into just another generic boys' action story.
And I'm not supposed to be upset. I'm just whining and I should shut up and accept the changes besides disliking them. Riiiiight.
I'll recuse myself from any further discussion in this thread. It's sad to say but the old adage is true--all good things must come to an end.
It's quite sad, but the world doesn't always move in the direction that you want it to unless you really work hard for it, though even then shit happens - frustration is a best friend of mine when it comes to things I like and don't like. Also, a personal sob story isn't going to make your argument more right or wrong: I sympathize with how you feel, since I know the feeling quite well of wanting the "old golden days" back (I myself am a nostalgia freak), but couldn't you find new good things to like? Or at the least, enjoy new things for their own merits instead of comparing them to what has gone before?
And I do find that whining for the sake of whining isn't going to get you anywhere around these parts - if I hate something, I might say a word out or two, then move on and ignore it, it's that simple really. No one's saying you can't dislike Force or ViviD, just that this discussion's been going on in circles for so long that people are tired of it. Like I said, it's pointless to whine whether you or I like or hate something, because someone else with hate or like said thing as well.
Edit: Don't you play RTS games? :p
synaesthetic
2009-08-04, 00:11
I don't like twitch gaming. I have the reflexes of a dead horse.
If I'm going to play strategy, it's going to be turn based.
This is really odd considering how I play Touhou and am actually decent.
LoweGear
2009-08-04, 00:26
Civilization eh... :nod:
... Maybe I should reinstall Civ IV and make a civ with "Cranagan" as capital...
MeisterBabylon
2009-08-04, 00:29
C&C4 is something to look forward to. As to Starcraft 2. And I think RA3 was e best thing since Westwood began. :nod:
It does look somewhat disappointing. So was Strikers; but somehow we've come to like it warts and all. Someday u might just find that u were tsundere for Force. I know I was for Empress Vivio n Keroko... :uhoh:
synaesthetic
2009-08-04, 00:41
Possibly. I really disliked StrikerS at first, but it's grown on me. It didn't have the same love-at-first-viewing quality that the first two seasons had, though.
LimitedEternal
2009-08-04, 00:56
In the end, this is the direction the series' mastermind wants it to go, and all the argument in the world - on both sides of the fence - won't change it.
On the bright side, the creator doesn't decide review scores. :p It's too early to start bringing down the hammer just yet. Kick back, pour a good drink...and wait.
This is a case of Misaimed Author rather than Misaimed Fandom--those of us who liked the magical-girl elements could do without that variety of fanservice. Fanservice is all well and good--who doesn't like seeing cute girls, after all? But this is too much.
You have to leave room for plot after all. ^^;
Well, the vocal minority that said StrikerS was fail due to the de-lolifying loves this kind of stuff. I do hope Tsuzuki will pull his act together and get on with the real meat next chapter.
It makes sense, yes, but for me it was the combination that was the most tasty and delicious. A's isn't my favorite season for no reason. It had the perfect, most light and fluffy mixture of magical-girl, paramilitary, mecha, sci-fantasy and action tropes.
Heh. Opinions vary once again. I liked A's because of the action and characters, but found the setting lacking. Too little of the military setting. Hardly more than the first season, really.
Er, MQ-ish thing of the StrikerS chapter thing (http://www.mediafire.com/?mlnmmmz35qy).
Woo! Thanks for the translation, this reads so much easier.
Heh. Page 21 had me cracking up in so many ways. Shamal's :3 when running by Fate what was about to happen, Fate going "You two better not stress yourself!" towards both Nanoha and Signum, Signum's worrywart reaction, and 'that thing.'
...
Hehe, that thing.
Also, can I say it? Can I? Can I? Ah, screw it, I can't hold back anymore.
Ability to dodge supersonic attack confirmed!
Ahh, that felt great. :D
...You know, if tournaments in a shounen-fied Nanoha all turn out like this, I wouldn't mind Nanoha getting shounen-fied some more. :p
NAGIHIKO, hurr hurr.
Nagihiko is a whole 'nother level of awesome. :3
Everything seems to be going in directions I don't like. PC gaming has fallen on its ass, far from the glories of the late 90s and early 2000s, dominated by grindfest MMORPGs and console ports. Space sims are all but gone, so are adventure games.
There's two space sims in the works. Only downside... they're both MMO's.
One of the few remaining things I fangirl over has turned into just another generic boys' action story.
And that's what we -or at least I- are trying to clear up: That Nanoha hasn't turned into a generic boys action story. Like I said, there's always at least one kickass guy in a magical girl series. This time that guy is Thoma. It's not as if Force will suddenly revolve around Thoma and abandon Nanoha and the rest.
But yes, I do think he intends to please both sides of his audience. Vivid for the more traditional magical girl fans, Force for the more military magical girl fans.
I personal pet-theory of mine is that these two manga are also to test the waters to see which of the two settings is more popular, in order to get a clear direction for a possible new anime season.
I remember this being discussed here back when Force and ViVid were announced and then when ch0 of Force came out. I thought that while Force will continue the StrikerS route ViVid will go back to A's style. But from what we saw up to now ViVid is nothing like A's. It has many times more fanservice than even S1 and it's main story revolve around martial arts. It feels more like magical Street Fighter with lolis.
Well yes, it does have many times the fanservice, but it does follow the A's line. Not exactly, but then it would be boring if they did that. What they are following from the A's line is a more casual slice-of-life setting in which problems arise which the heroine must solve.
Then just replace swords and hammers with hand to had combat and you're all set.
It feels more like magical Street Fighter with lolis.
Someone ought to make a doujin fighting game with the Vivid cast. Vivio as the main character, the Numbers working for the TSAB, the Wolkies and the Forwards in the default character cast. Ingsvalt as final boss. And the Aces as unlockable secret characters. Fighting engine should be something between Touhou fighters and Arc Systems fighters to conciliate melee and ranged style.
synaesthetic
2009-08-04, 04:11
It would help if they'd ditch the Scrappy Vivio and get someone else if they want to spin off a more traditional magical-girl story from the end of StrikerS.
Burning Arisa anyone? ^^;
Someone ought to make a doujin fighting game with the Vivid cast. Vivio as the main character, the Numbers working for the TSAB, the Wolkies and the Forwards in the default character cast. Ingsvalt as final boss. And the Aces as unlockable secret characters. Fighting engine should be something between Touhou fighters and Arc Systems fighters to conciliate melee and ranged style.
Considering that some Spanish group has made a very professional-looking fighter (the name eludes me, something about Card Battles?) using MUGEN's engine, this could be done.
It would help if they'd ditch the Scrappy Vivio and get someone else if they want to spin off a more traditional magical-girl story from the end of StrikerS.
*Reflexive Vivio fanboy reaction* Hell no! Don't touch my delicious hand-to-hand Vivio here.
I'm all up for Burning Arisa joining the fun though.
Considering that some Spanish group has made a very professional-looking fighter (the name eludes me, something about Card Battles?) using MUGEN's engine, this could be done.
As a old fighting game player, I REFUSE to acknowledge Mugen as a fighting game's engine. Fighter Maker, thanks to Vanguard Princess, and the engines of Melty Blood and Tasofro's productions are those I would like more for this.
Fuyu no Sora
2009-08-04, 08:10
Yo! Figured I'd de-lurk and start meddling in the conversation a bit ;)
And about damn time. Where the heck were you hiding?! :D
Yeaaaaahhhhh, not to be mean or anything here, but it's just like TK said a few pages back: Basically you're just whining 'cause the franchise's moving on to something different than your tastes. While understandable, it's not exactly the best for a discussion, 'specially since the topic's been so thoroughly talked for the last 10 pages or so.
It's quite sad, but the world doesn't always move in the direction that you want it to unless you really work hard for it, though even then shit happens - frustration is a best friend of mine when it comes to things I like and don't like. Also, a personal sob story isn't going to make your argument more right or wrong: I sympathize with how you feel, since I know the feeling quite well of wanting the "old golden days" back (I myself am a nostalgia freak), but couldn't you find new good things to like? Or at the least, enjoy new things for their own merits instead of comparing them to what has gone before?
And I do find that whining for the sake of whining isn't going to get you anywhere around these parts - if I hate something, I might say a word out or two, then move on and ignore it, it's that simple really. No one's saying you can't dislike Force or ViviD, just that this discussion's been going on in circles for so long that people are tired of it. Like I said, it's pointless to whine whether you or I like or hate something, because someone else with hate or like said thing as well.
Ouch....
I understand where you're both coming from, but that was a bit harsh...
Er, MQ-ish thing of the StrikerS chapter thing (http://www.mediafire.com/?mlnmmmz35qy).
Would do the first 2/3 with the HQ scans [and a better job at cleaning], but understaffed at work + me getting = I can't afford to get sick and need to rest more. OTLThough I'll re-do it if no one else does when I can....NAGIHIKO, hurr hurr.I guess I really have to read the latest Force and Vivid chapters now with all this talk. >>;
Hey, thank you very much! I'll read it right away! :D
Well yes, it does have many times the fanservice, but it does follow the A's line. Not exactly, but then it would be boring if they did that. What they are following from the A's line is a more casual slice-of-life setting in which problems arise which the heroine must solve.
Then just replace swords and hammers with hand to had combat and you're all set.
*Fuyu approves of all the above*
I'm rather happy that they've decided to develop Vivio into a useful character instead of just having her there for the purposes of giving the NanoFate shippers more reasons to roar. I loved her in Sankt Kaiser mode and I hope we'll get to see her going badass. Sure, she was powered by a relic and whatnot, but I was glad to see a boss that made trouble for Nanoha in StrikerS rather than the useless Book of Darkness in A's.
Although that last line reminds me of one of DezoPenguin's fics in which Vivio cringes from Vita's training "With giant hammers!" xD!
Someone ought to make a doujin fighting game with the Vivid cast. Vivio as the main character, the Numbers working for the TSAB, the Wolkies and the Forwards in the default character cast. Ingsvalt as final boss. And the Aces as unlockable secret characters. Fighting engine should be something between Touhou fighters and Arc Systems fighters to conciliate melee and ranged style.
COMPUTES!
Do want! :D I think it would make an awesome game :D!
*Reflexive Vivio fanboy reaction* Hell no! Don't touch my delicious hand-to-hand Vivio here.
I'm all up for Burning Arisa joining the fun though.
Lolll... Hand-to-hand Vivio... would really make for an interesting game if it was well developed. Especially if she pulls a Starlight Breaker-like move as a secret technique :D!
As for Burning Arisa...would that mean she'd have Engineer!Suzuka as backup? :heh:
synaesthetic
2009-08-04, 08:31
Arisa = pyro
Suzuka = engineer
Nanoha = sniper
Fate = scout
Chrono = soldier
Hayate = heavy
Signum = spy
Vita = demoman
Shamal = medic
...
BRILLIANT. Someone with artistic talent must draw this!
Edit: I am totally picturing Fate running around whacking people with the baseball bat and shouting "BOINK!" And I am giggling.
Edit 2: ... aaaaand now I'm picturing Hayate with a minigun screaming "CRY SOME MORE!" while laughing maniacally. And giggling harder.
LoweGear
2009-08-04, 09:09
Team Fortress Midchilda Edition? COUNT ME IN :D:D:D
RadiantBeam
2009-08-04, 09:28
Although that last line reminds me of one of DezoPenguin's fics in which Vivio cringes from Vita's training "With giant hammers!" xD!
Giant hammers! 8D
I have to say that so far I like the direction Vivid is going. Even the fanservice doesn't make me squirm all that much. It has a lot of that "slice of life" feel from the first two seasons, but it's different because 1.) it's set on a magical world and 2.) it explores more of the Belkan history and society, which I've been curious about since A's rolled around.
Haven't checked out the raws of Force yet because my computer acts weird with manga downloads and doesn't show them right, but I've seen some scans on other websites and I have to admit, I like the feel of it; it's different, but it still has that Nanoha touch to it, at least in my opinion. :heh:
Fuyu no Sora
2009-08-04, 09:31
Team Fortress Midchilda Edition? COUNT ME IN :D:D:D
Ah ha ha ha ha, how typical :heh:
On another note, I've read the special chapter for After Days, and I've gotta say...
WHY DON'T THEY MAKE US A SPECIAL WITH THIS FIGHT ANIMATED?!!! :frustrated:
It would be SO awesome, I'm sure some people here would cry manly tears (:p). I'm seriously reconsidering making that joke (signed petition anyone?) a reality right now :heh:
And I agree with Keroko-kun, if they're going to make more fights like this one, I wouldn't mind it if Nanoha were to become more shounen :D
Also: Am I the only one who thinks Signum is a bit mean for calling Nanoha "That thing" and "You monster"? Especially since she's the scary one when she was firing that Sturm Falken :heh:
@RadiantBeam: LOL at giant hammers xD
Xellos-_^
2009-08-04, 10:00
Just read the scans om you know where.
- so we have the name of the person Vivio was clone form, Regina Olive.
- i got the feeling that in the future the Numbers are going to ask to be Vivio's personal bodyguards. Like the wolkies with Hayate.
Does anyone have a translation to Force yet?
TheShinySword
2009-08-04, 10:29
Just read the scans om you know where.
- so we have the name of the person Vivio was clone form, Regina Olive.
- i got the feeling that in the future the Numbers are going to ask to be Vivio's personal bodyguards. Like the wolkies with Hayate.
I like this name thing, it's very nice to have one. But... Regina? (Reggy for short:p)
BTW: page 21, Nanoha's "that Thing" Expression is the cutest thing I've seen in a while. Makes me really wanna "take her home"
BTW BTW: DID ANYONE NOTICE THAT HUMAN ZAFFY ON THE LAST PAGE WAS IN NEW CLOTHES! *Dies happy*
Xellos-_^
2009-08-04, 10:54
another thought, it is usually a cliche of scifi that clones had residual memories of the original. So how much of Regina's memories does Vivio have and when does she get access to it?
Well, we don't know. She seemed to remember quite a bit when in Saint Kaiser form in StrikerS, but how much, we don't know.
Both Fate and Erio have full memories of their predecessors.
Note: i believe Regina means Queen in italian eh.
Yoyo-sama
2009-08-04, 11:26
Note: i believe Regina means Queen in italian eh.
You believed right.
Xellos-_^
2009-08-04, 11:31
i also like Ixy's title
Dark Ruler of Galea :D another killer loli?
And Cinque looks darn cute looking so serious
Dark Ruler of Galea :D another killer loli?
But of course. This is the Nanoha series, remember? They'd put the Powerpuff Girls to shame.
And Cinque looks darn cute looking so serious
Cinque makes EVERYTHING cute. :3
TheShinySword
2009-08-04, 11:39
Cinque~ In~ a~ Suit~ makes my day.
RadiantBeam
2009-08-04, 13:48
Does anyone have a translation to Force yet?
Not yet, but since the raws have been released it's only a matter of time before Force is translated.
Anh_Minh
2009-08-04, 18:05
but what happens when Vivio is a teenager and wants a bigger allowance and stay up past midnight?
At that point, considering the TSAB's position on child soldiers, she can bloody well earn her own money.
synaesthetic
2009-08-04, 18:08
Hell, Erio is what, ten or eleven in StrikerS, and reminds Fate that he receives a salary during the "Section Six's Day Off" episodes.
itanshi1
2009-08-04, 18:50
Hehe, yes, but currently Vivio is not a part of a team. Force has yet to establish anything regarding that. Concurrent releases are weird.
DezoPenguin
2009-08-04, 19:04
At that point, considering the TSAB's position on child soldiers, she can bloody well earn her own money.
She probably already does. Assistant Librarian at the Infinity Library has to pay something. :)
TheShinySword
2009-08-04, 19:07
She probably already does. Assistant Librarian at the Infinity Library has to pay something. :)
Not if she's volunteering.
Password
2009-08-05, 00:47
Now there's an interesting question, is Caro's tribe a Mid-Childa tribe? Or one from a different world?
According to her TSAB ID Card, she's from 6th world "Alzus"
Also...
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2427086&postcount=2044
Called it! Well, okay, Nove's not yet curb-stomped, but it's practically assured by now. >>
According to her TSAB ID Card, she's from 6th world "Alzus"
Also...
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2427086&postcount=2044
Called it! Well, okay, Nove's not yet curb-stomped, but it's practically assured by now. >>
Especially since her role seems to be down. She got the "and Zoidberg" treatment in this chapter.
Deed: Your Majesty! ...And Nove.
DezoPenguin
2009-08-07, 17:10
Finally got a chance to read the StrikerS extra chapter...pleasantly dramatic. I love how Nanoha and Signum agree to basically show off for training purposes for the first twenty minutes before getting serious and kicking the crap out of each other. The outcome is kind of reminiscent of what someone (I think Vita?) said in one of the earlier chapters (the "Who's the Strongest?" arc) about any fight between any of the captains being basically a crapshoot in terms of outcome. But there's a few things that stuck out:
1. Did anyone else think it's weird that Hayate changed service branches?? She's identified as "Investigator-in-Chief, Bureau Naval Security." Now, we knew she was switching back from command path to investigations after StrikerS, but even when she was an investigator pre-StrikerS she was always in the Ground Forces rather than the Navy.
...could explain why she's in the blue uniform in some of the post-StrikerS artwork, though.
2. Full-size Rein and Agito...and Agito in uniform still has her wings. So cute! ;)
3. Love Dieci's sweatdrop moment, too...
4. You know, I don't know if it's the artist or what, but I loathe Fate's ponytail. She looks like a boy in a skirt now (come to think of it, is it just me or does it look like Nanoha's chest is expanding while Fate's is shrinking in both ViVid and this chapter?).
5. Nanoha gets the best expressions...esp. her SD moments in "That Thing..." and "I'm fine..." and when Signum's twisting her head on that last page. It's actually kind of neat seeing her get to be the goofy one. :D
6. It's a human-form Zaffy sighting in the final panel!!! :bow:
ghost_zero5
2009-08-07, 18:27
Btw.: Is there still no scanlation/translation of Force chapter 1?
NorthernFallout
2009-08-07, 18:29
I was thinking of inquiring the same question. No new info, no nothing. I have a grave concern growing inside me that no one will bother to even give a translation that can be used for speededit due to certain factors.
Same here.
There is the high-quality raws floating around too...
So, what's with the holdup I wonder?
NorthernFallout
2009-08-07, 19:08
As a note, we do have a Chinese translation available. Anyone feeling up to the task to translate into English is quite welcome to do so and it would be greatly appreciated since work on a more normal scanlation of the scans can be conducted.
As a note, we do have a Chinese translation available. Anyone feeling up to the task to translate into English is quite welcome to do so and it would be greatly appreciated since work on a more normal scanlation of the scans can be conducted.
If I could, I would, but I don't know Japanese.
itanshi1
2009-08-07, 19:35
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/cgi-bin/wwwjdic.cgi?1C use this maybe. Its what I use, but translating is not fun for me.
PhoenixG
2009-08-07, 23:52
I'm not really fond of reading translation that is based on other translation, due chance of faulty translation in the first one.
TheShinySword
2009-08-07, 23:58
It's like that game telephone, the final message is different then the intended. But a faulty message is better than none.
Bananoha
2009-08-08, 00:01
As a note, we do have a Chinese translation availableSeems like I have someone who's willing to C>E and also knows a decent amount of J. iirc, Ottocycle forgot a few lines in that StS Special script and I asked this guy to quickly TL for me....
Ottocycle
2009-08-08, 00:42
iirc, Ottocycle forgot a few lines in that StS Special script and I asked this guy to quickly TL for me....
Oh crap, really? Guess rushing through it wasn't the proper way to do it, I flaked out after spending two hours to finish as well.
Whatever happened to Coalguys?
我的接班人来啦！Reminds me that I used to translate that way too...
Bananoha
2009-08-08, 01:03
Oh crap, really?It was three/four lines. No biggie.
Coalguys.... lolol is all I can say.
So, about fifteen minutes ago, dude said he had thirteen pages left of Force to TL. And thankfully, the scans are way easier to clean than the StS Special.How come the HQ StS raws are always blue and slightly grainy... Trying to do one page a day of HQ StS Special. :V
It was three/four lines. No biggie.
Coalguys.... lolol is all I can say.
So, about fifteen minutes ago, dude said he had thirteen pages left of Force to TL. And thankfully, the scans are way easier to clean than the StS Special.How come the HQ StS raws are always blue and slightly grainy... Trying to do one page a day of HQ StS Special. :V
Really?
Only a few pages left on Force?
That's GREAT news!
Bananoha
2009-08-08, 01:22
yo supOnly a few pages left on Force?[02:07:52] <+Basaka> http://freetexthost.com/1ynkxw6q3m
[02:08:00] <+Basaka> some spelling might be wrong but yeah dinner now
'kay, give me a few days to finish Force r01....
prescience
2009-08-08, 11:47
Ooh, finally. After waiting so long for Force r01, it feels weird that it's taken over a week for a translation...
1. Did anyone else think it's weird that Hayate changed service branches?? She's identified as "Investigator-in-Chief, Bureau Naval Security." Now, we knew she was switching back from command path to investigations after StrikerS, but even when she was an investigator pre-StrikerS she was always in the Ground Forces rather than the Navy.
...could explain why she's in the blue uniform in some of the post-StrikerS artwork, though.
Nice catch. I hadn't noticed that. Hopefully Force will elaborate on it (eventually...).
4. You know, I don't know if it's the artist or what, but I loathe Fate's ponytail. She looks like a boy in a skirt now (come to think of it, is it just me or does it look like Nanoha's chest is expanding while Fate's is shrinking in both ViVid and this chapter?).
Hmm yeah... I've always preferred the art style used in the anime to the one in the StrikerS manga. It also doesn't really do Signum and Laevatein justice. On the whole, though, I found the chapter quite fun -- plenty of (non-sexual) fanservice :p
Re-reading over ViVid ch3, I wouldn't say Fate's chest is getting any smaller, but Nanoha's is expanding. Oh, and I still find it weird that Nanoha has a Cross Mirage squirtgun there...
itanshi1
2009-08-08, 12:19
Not weird, awesome! I can just see her at a toy store getting a grin on her face. :P
prescience
2009-08-08, 12:26
... awesome indeed. :D
Nanoha likes to shoot things!
Come on, the only thing we see her training with in the manga besides Raising Heart is a freaking BFG! I still gotta wonder how she held it up... Turn magic into super strength? I don't think she's any stronger than a normal person when not powered up though.
:twitch: If Nanoha got her hands on a smaller-sized Twin Buster Rifle from Wing Zero...
:uhoh: well, she'd be the happiest girl in the world.
If Nanoha gets her hands on Killy's Gravitational Beam Emitter, be very afraid.
At least she won't get the Ideon Gun.
Right?
RadiantBeam
2009-08-08, 12:59
Never say she won't get her hands on anything, Nanya.
Damn, spoke too soon.
Say, Vivio's six in StrikerS, and Force happens six years later...
She still looks very young, to me at least. To be honest, I thought she was 10 in Force, not 12. Course, that's because I thought Vivio was 4 and not 6 in StrikerS. And Vivio actually looks younger in Force than she does in ViVid...
RadiantBeam
2009-08-08, 13:48
Actually, Vivio is five in StrikerS. Something I personally don't understand, since in the sound stages she's nine years old and those apparently take place three years after StrikerS... apparently someone messed up their math.
Also, you have to take into account the fact that she's an artificial mage, so there's no real way of knowing how old she is, definitely. Her body might even age differently compared to a normal mage.
Actually, Vivio is five in StrikerS. Something I personally don't understand, since in the sound stages she's nine years old and those apparently take place three years after StrikerS... apparently someone messed up their math.
Also, you have to take into account the fact that she's an artificial mage, so there's no real way of knowing how old she is, definitely. Her body might even age differently compared to a normal mage.
Then again, it's not impossible that Vivio turned six during StrikerS. I mean, Riot Force Six DID last around a year or more...
Someone should do a fic where Vivio gets to celebrate her first birthday at Riot Force Six. That is, her sixth birthday.
... *Blinks* Hmm... Could be fun, ne?
TheShinySword
2009-08-08, 15:19
While you wait for LVD to release a nice pretty version of Force c1 here's the speed scan version the FFC put together using a translation from my friend Hayata. ^^
As a warning it's a second hand translation Japanese > chinese > English so your accuracy may vary.
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?jjwzwmjnywy
While you wait for LVD to release a nice pretty version of Force c1 here's the speed scan version the FFC put together using a translation from my friend Hayata. ^^
As a warning it's a second hand translation Japanese > chinese > English so your accuracy may vary.
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?jjwzwmjnywy
So this isn't the "official" version then, got it.
Still, thanks.
TheShinySword
2009-08-08, 15:41
More like it isn't the pretty version, I try but I'm still not very good at cleaning up scans ^^and there aren't any SFX translations.
True.
Just finished reading it.
Okay, so Touma isn't a carbon copy of Nanoha here, he already knows magic and is a treasure hunter, okay, so some complaints from earlier can be ignored now... Not sure about the Divider, looks like it's fairly dangerous. I love the credit's page "This girl has nipples!" "You'll find that most people do."
Okay, I think Touma's device should be renamed Skeet. Who's with me on this?
Dunno what they mean by infection here... This isn't going to end well, is it? Maybe the Wild Mass Guessing from TVTropes was right? Someone might just die this time around.
Hmm... Quick guess, I'm going to say that Fate and Teana/Tiana (whichever you prefer here!) are going to meet Touma and Lily in a chapter or two, some words will be said and taken out of context from one or both sides, a fight, Touma will get away with Lily (I can't see him winning, but I can see Tea/Tia and Fate fighting carefully). Then some introspection chapters, Nanoha will show up and maybe we'll see the "Dividing Driver", err, Divide Shot and the Starlight Breaker clash...
Hmm... Based on the name, I wonder if the Divide Shot can cut through anything... Might not be more powerful than even a Divine Buster (which is plenty strong already) but it just has that property to it.
I hope my translations aren't too off... after all it's my first try though :D.
I hope my translations aren't too off... after all it's my first try though :D.
Eh, looked okay to me, at least I could read it.
Needed to get the "and another person" thing fixed, but other than that...
Readable, the message got across (even if it's not completely accurate, it better than nothing.) Thank you very much.
RadiantBeam
2009-08-08, 19:05
While you wait for LVD to release a nice pretty version of Force c1 here's the speed scan version the FFC put together using a translation from my friend Hayata. ^^
As a warning it's a second hand translation Japanese > chinese > English so your accuracy may vary.
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?jjwzwmjnywy
Thank you, Shiny! And thank you to your friend, too. ^^
XenahortCharybdis
2009-08-08, 20:54
I hope my translations aren't too off... after all it's my first try though :D.
Nyaahaahaha. I am so going to feed off this thing. >=3
I think I'll PM any comments to you later. Looks like there's going to be quite a bit to say...though I must say it looks pretty nice for something relatively rough-edged for now.
Anh_Minh
2009-08-09, 15:25
Wait, so Touma already has a girlfriend? Surprising.
prescience
2009-08-09, 16:15
Either that or Steed likes teasing him. Presumably the girl in question is "Suu-chan". Took me a few readings to realize that the square boxes on the first few pages were a letter and not actual speech >_>
About the translations, they seem pretty decent for a J>C>E job. Thanks to everyone involved. Also, major win points for:
Thoma: Nipples! This girl has nipples, Steed!
Steed: Yes, Thoma. You'll find most people do.
:heh:
MeisterBabylon
2009-08-09, 19:17
I believe its more a reference to the hoohaa in the manga thread a while ago...? :heh: Awesome nonetheless. :D
TheShinySword
2009-08-09, 19:54
*bows* thank you thank you.
RadiantBeam
2009-08-09, 20:10
I rather enjoyed Force's first chapter. Kind of reminded me of when Nanoha first found Yuuno, only this time it's Touma finding Lily.
Interesting how it seems that Touma already has a girlfriend, yet Lily appears to be a possible love interest in her own right. Do I smell a triangle on the horizon? (Murder the hypotenuse!)
I might be the minority here, but I rather like Fate's manga design for Force. Seems very true to her character somehow.
I don't mind the look myself, the faces throws me off a little bit, I'll admit, but they look good to me.
*Waits for the cleaned up version of Force to show up.*
synaesthetic
2009-08-09, 22:42
I'm going to go on record as saying Fate's new look is good stuff. I know her "competent moe" attitude made her such a popular character, but she's not a loli anymore... she should look the part of a badass special investigator.
One of the major things I liked about StrikerS was the change to Fate's Barrier Jacket.
Touma/Thoma/whatever's character design is interesting but I think he looks a little too much like Alto in appearance. Not saying he looks any girlier than any generic bishonen, but Alto never looked especially feminine. I was hoping his name and the Device's name meant he'd be more of an expy of Touma from To Aru Majutsu no Index.
The fact that his attack is "divide by zero" makes me lol.
Adult Teana looks a bit off model. I always pictured her as staying slight and petite, but she got rather, ahem, big. It's the same kind of strangeness I remember from the epilogue of A's where teenage Alisa and Suzuka look like they had their loli heads pasted on bigger, more mature bodies.
There isn't a whole lot to go on here, so I can't say for certain which way it's going to go. Hope we get some more regular scanlations soon.
Adult Teana looks a bit off model. I always pictured her as staying slight and petite, but she got rather, ahem, big. It's the same kind of strangeness I remember from the epilogue of A's where teenage Alisa and Suzuka look like they had their loli heads pasted on bigger, more mature bodies.
oh, shush, you. Any Teana is good Teana, as long as she's alive.
prescience
2009-08-10, 01:34
I'm going to go on record as saying Fate's new look is good stuff. I know her "competent moe" attitude made her such a popular character, but she's not a loli anymore... she should look the part of a badass special investigator.
One of the major things I liked about StrikerS was the change to Fate's Barrier Jacket.
Agreed. Force!Fate looks awesome (as usual). Though I admit it would be nice to see her with a black cape/jacket/whatever.
The fact that his attack is "divide by zero" makes me lol.
Indeed. I can imagine introducing people to Nanoha by saying: "There's this dude who can divide by zero. And he's not even the strongest character in the story. Suck on that, Chuck Norris." :D
Adult Teana looks a bit off model. I always pictured her as staying slight and petite, but she got rather, ahem, big. It's the same kind of strangeness I remember from the epilogue of A's where teenage Alisa and Suzuka look like they had their loli heads pasted on bigger, more mature bodies.
Hmm... even in StrikerS, she wasn't all that petite; at any rate, I recall her being substantially taller than Hayate. Also, she was only 16 at the time, so it's not inconceivable that she grew more in the intervening six years. That said, I did find the new look a bit strange at first, but it's grown on me.
oh, shush, you. Any Teana is good Teana, as long as she's alive.
QFT
Bananoha
2009-08-10, 02:49
I was going to wait another maybe half a day to get someone else to see if the English was okay/imagecleaningwasnttooshoddy, but said fcuk it. :B
Chapter/Record 01 Force (http://www.mediafire.com/?gj5mdmnvuy4), sorry for taking so long (ry
If I do end up continuing it, do you guys want me to edit in the actual sound effects or something? I'm not used to actually having most of them translated it, but I don't mind. It'd just take me a couple more days. orz
Oh yeah, don't remember if it was in this thread or not, but about Fate's new hair.... Well, my hair is about the same length and even though wearing it up like that reminds me of Yuuno, it come undone. Or at least as easily. My hair is down when I'm at home and in a bun thing at work. And I rarely go outside, so....
Bloodseeker
2009-08-10, 06:22
1. Did anyone else think it's weird that Hayate changed service branches?? She's identified as "Investigator-in-Chief, Bureau Naval Security." Now, we knew she was switching back from command path to investigations after StrikerS, but even when she was an investigator pre-StrikerS she was always in the Ground Forces rather than the Navy.
...could explain why she's in the blue uniform in some of the post-StrikerS artwork, though.
"These uniforms suck ass. brb, changing agencies"
4. You know, I don't know if it's the artist or what, but I loathe Fate's ponytail. She looks like a boy in a skirt now
Agreed.
That kind of ponytail belongs on men from the American colonial period, and not much else.
She's getting old. Acting all moe moe won't hide the fact that she's 25 now. It's time to grow out of those twintails. Besides, imo this new hairstyle actually makes her look like she really means business.
prescience
2009-08-10, 07:59
Ah, the dialog makes a lot more sense now. Also, all the different fonts make it easier to follow what's going on.
Does anyone else think that the guy holding the Book on page 7 looks a bit like an evil version of Genya?
"These uniforms suck ass. brb, changing agencies"
Yes, that's probably what our favourite cosplay maniac was most concerned with :p
About Fate's new hairstyle, IMO the art style is a big factor. In the StrikerS manga, it really doesn't work, but with the art style in Force, it looks pretty cool.
synaesthetic
2009-08-10, 08:54
Fate's hairstyle used to defy gravity. Now it's slightly less ludicrous.
If Teana gives up the twintails, she should go with a pageboy-ish chin-length razor cut. Kinda like Hayate's haircut or Louise Halevy after she joined A-LAWS. I'm an unrepentant fan of that hairstyle.
LoweGear
2009-08-10, 08:57
Strosek the 4th?
This bodes well for more possible nekkid Eclipse-clones out there in the future :uhoh:
Although the Touma x Lily flag is severely undermined by the revelations of a girlfriend :eek: Suu-chan better live up to expectations then :nod:
Password
2009-08-10, 09:18
Is Suu-chan the other new female character?
If she isn't, I'm predicting a fairly early death to motivate Tohma. No-name old girlfriends in the way of the Official Couple tend to have little screentime and/or short lifespans<<
WMG: Suu-chan = Subaru-chan? Lol.
Is Suu-chan the other new female character?
If she isn't, I'm predicting a fairly early death to motivate Tohma. No-name old girlfriends in the way of the Official Couple tend to have little screentime and/or short lifespans<<
Chrono: ... ...
Yuuno: So that's why I'm not written off yet?!
LoweGear
2009-08-10, 09:44
Is Suu-chan the other new female character?
If she isn't, I'm predicting a fairly early death to motivate Tohma. No-name old girlfriends in the way of the Official Couple tend to have little screentime and/or short lifespans<<
Unless "Suu-chan" is somehow a syllable-shortened form of "Isis Eaglet" i.e. the other known girl, I don't think that Suu-chan and her are the same person. Hence... :uhoh::uhoh::uhoh:
Unless "Suu-chan" is somehow a syllable-shortened form of "Isis Eaglet" i.e. the other known girl, I don't think that Suu-chan and her are the same person. Hence... :uhoh::uhoh::uhoh:
well, that... that's ermm....
http://danbooru.donmai.us/data/56b28245ba1285c0966f1d4284b5c8da.jpg
/me FLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSS
Bananoha
2009-08-10, 10:26
Unless "Suu-chan" is somehow a syllable-shortened form of "Isis Eaglet" i.e. the other known girl, I don't think that Suu-chan and her are the same person. Hence... :uhoh::uhoh::uhoh:Isis = アイシス = Aishisu
DUN DUN DUN.
I'd ditch her for Lily, who I seem to be completely smitten for, even if she hasn't really done anything yet.... Totally not because she has nice breasts.
NorthernFallout
2009-08-10, 10:35
Interesting... very interesting. Haven't seen that dynamic in a while. Less hope Ch2 will have some with her.
MeisterBabylon
2009-08-10, 10:43
Girlfriend from e start of e series? He certainly has e harem making power worthy of e name Touma.
PhoenixG
2009-08-10, 10:58
I was going to wait another maybe half a day to get someone else to see if the English was okay/imagecleaningwasnttooshoddy, but said fcuk it. :B
Chapter/Record 01 Force (http://www.mediafire.com/?gj5mdmnvuy4), sorry for taking so long (ry
If I do end up continuing it, do you guys want me to edit in the actual sound effects or something? I'm not used to actually having most of them translated it, but I don't mind. It'd just take me a couple more days. orz
Oh yeah, don't remember if it was in this thread or not, but about Fate's new hair.... Well, my hair is about the same length and even though wearing it up like that reminds me of Yuuno, it come undone. Or at least as easily. My hair is down when I'm at home and in a bun thing at work. And I rarely go outside, so....
for me you don't have to translate the sound effect. For me it's weird to read it in english ^.^;;
Ottocycle
2009-08-10, 11:06
for me you don't have to translate the sound effect. For me it's weird to read it in english ^.^;;
I feel the same way. I think if it's really important (ie. to understand the atmosphere, or what's going on) then you probably could put it at the side of the panel, well at least that's what we did back then.
TheShinySword
2009-08-10, 11:19
Sometimes I feel that the image of the SFX is more important then knowing what the SFX means.
synaesthetic
2009-08-10, 12:24
I feel that the giant SFX words in manga detracts severely from the artwork and story. During fight scenes, the whole panel is cluttered up with stylized Japanese text. It's almost as headache-inducing as trying to read backwards is.
Fuyu no Sora
2009-08-10, 12:31
Concerning Hayate's blue uniform...
Re-watch StrikerS episode 2. She's also in a blue uniform and explicitly states being part of the Ground Defense Forces, Captain Yagami :p This always had me sort of confused, because apparently the Ground Armaments Service has two uniforms....
prescience
2009-08-10, 14:20
Yeah, that is confusing. Also, Regius and Auris wear the same blue uniform throughout StrikerS, despite being part of the Ground Forces.
Signum's uniform is also a bit confusing -- she wears the brown Ground Forces uniform, but I had thought she was with the Air Force. According to StrikerS manga chapter 15, though, she's from the "Midchilda Terrestrial HQ's Air Corps", which presumably falls under the Ground Forces. Of course, that doesn't explain why her character sheet on the StrikerS website shows the same Air Force emblem as Vita's, rather than the Ground Forces emblem...
On the whole, I'm still a bit confused about the different branches of the TSAB, which characters belong to which, and what their responsibilities are...
itanshi1
2009-08-10, 14:23
I'm just confused noone has doen a ground defense force mao chan parody of strikers givne they a part of three branches like in mao chan mm
DezoPenguin
2009-08-10, 14:24
Yeah, that is confusing. Also, Regius and Auris wear the same blue uniform throughout StrikerS, despite being part of the Ground Forces.
Signum's uniform is also a bit confusing -- she wears the brown Ground Forces uniform, but I had thought she was with the Air Force. According to StrikerS manga chapter 15, though, she's from the "Midchilda Terrestrial HQ's Air Corps", which presumably falls under the Ground Forces.
On the whole, I'm still a bit confused about the different branches of the TSAB, which characters belong to which, and what their responsibilities are...
Plus, everybody in StrikerS wears the Ground Forces uniform during the term of their assignment to Riot Force 6, because RF6 is apparently a Ground Forces unit.
Yeah, the exact breakdown of the various service branches is kind of crazy in MGLN. I'd kill...well, maybe not, but be very, very thankful...for some kind of official org chart of the TSAB's military and politicial structure.
prescience
2009-08-10, 14:29
I'd certainly go as far as a flesh injury for such a chart... :p
Oh, and I just checked something -- it looks like all of the other RF6 crew wear GF uniforms, Nanoha still wears her Air Force / Instructor Corps uniform throughout the season. More weirdness...
@Itanshi: I'm guessing the three-branch setup is modelled on the real Japanese military (JGSDF, JMSDF, JASDF?), so I don't think it's particular to Nanoha. Of course, my knowledge of real militaries in general is quite limited...
RadiantBeam
2009-08-10, 14:38
I still believe the whole upcoming issue of the love triangle concerning Lily/Touma/Touma's-as-of-yet-unseen-girlfriend can be solved by a simple method of murdering the hypotenuse. :D
*machine gunned*
itanshi1
2009-08-10, 14:39
Oh yeah silly me for such visual cues. Strosek the 4th, 4 is well, you should know is a number meaning 'death' she is an ill omen it seems, should be fun.
Dark Wing
2009-08-10, 20:35
About the girlfriend thing...Did the manga actually say Suu-chan is his girlfriend? for all we know Suu-chan could be his sister or something. So i think until we get more info it should be left in the air.
RadiantBeam
2009-08-10, 20:37
Steed simply states that Touma has a girlfriend, though she hasn't actually been mentioned by name yet. The idea of it being Suu-chan is just speculation at this point.
Estavali
2009-08-10, 21:16
Hmmm, I'm reading the Chinese scanlation (and my moonspeak is lousy, to be honest), but from what I understand, Steed probably meant "her" or "that girl/woman" instead of "your girlfriend". Perhaps those better with Japanese can clarify/refute my claim, but when Steed used ”彼女” (which could mean "girlfriend" or just "she/her") in page 9, he didn't add "あなたの" in front of the term, which, if he had, would be translated to "your girlfriend". However he didn't and the sentence in this case should simply be "If you get hurt, I'll be scolded by her". This is, in fact, how it's translated in the Chinese scanlation I'm reading.
As to this "Su-chan"... Personally I think it's Subaru =3
Dark Wing
2009-08-10, 21:21
Hmmm, I'm reading the Chinese scanlation (and my moonspeak is lousy, to be honest), but from what I understand, Steed probably meant "her" or "that girl/woman" instead of "your girlfriend". Perhaps those better with Japanese can clarify/refute my claim, but when Steed used ”彼女” (which could mean "girlfriend" or just "she/her") in page 9, he didn't add "あなたの" in front of the term, which, if he had, would be translated to "your girlfriend". However he didn't and the sentence in this case should simply be "If you get hurt, I'll be scolded by her". This is, in fact, how it's translated in the Chinese scanlation I'm reading.
As to this "Su-chan"... Personally I think it's Subaru =3
so it was a mis-translation...thanks for the clarification...
Bananoha
2009-08-10, 22:04
Perhaps those better with Japanese can clarify/refute my claim, but when Steed used ”彼女” (which could mean "girlfriend" or just "she/her") in page 9, he didn't add "あなたの" in front of the term, which, if he had, would be translated to "your girlfriend". However he didn't and the sentence in this case should simply be "If you get hurt, I'll be scolded by her". This is, in fact, how it's translated in the Chinese scanlation I'm reading.Yeah, I'm leaning toward "girl friend" now that I've looked at the page. What a difference a space can make in that word.
[22:51:05] <+Basaka> ya speedtls are lol speedy
[22:55:39] <+Basaka> so yeah raizoo its not like we had anyone to TLC or QC or anyth
.... I apologize. orz
TheShinySword
2009-08-10, 22:13
Nah don't worry LVD it must be an easy mistake 'cause we have it on our end too.
PhoenixFlare
2009-08-11, 07:31
Based on my assumption that the ominous forewords in first page of Chapter One are really allusions to what will really transpire in Force (and probably also how it'd end), Lily would be the "magic" mentioned earlier that caused the wars, seeing as how she gave Touma a big power boost with just a kis-- ahem, I mean, a (magic) bracelet :p. "Eclipse" appears to be some kind of disease or anomaly that's been afflicting random people, which I suspect also has to do Lily. And she's most likely the "hypotenuse" RadiantBeam was talking about. :uhoh:
The only part in the first chapter that I didn't really get was Page 13, where Touma suddenly collapsed and his eye started bleeding (though it seemed pretty painless to him after he cleaned it and didn't seem to have any impairing effect on his sight). It couldn't have been that instead of his nose, he's bleeding from his eyes from seeing a bared woman, could it? :heh:
I'm interested to see the development on this Book of the Silver Cross and Divider (could this be the gunblade that materialized with Touma after the powerup) that Fate mentioned at the ending page.
Edit: Oh, and I like the nifty "Unlock" spell. Apparently, Hogwarts' wizards aren't the only ones versed with this. :heh:
Password
2009-08-11, 07:56
I suspect the bleeding from the eye is due to psychic backlash (Though those are usually from the nose too)
synaesthetic
2009-08-11, 08:09
The gunblade is shown to be Divider996 when he uses his "divide by zero" attack. ^^; It's unlikely there are two Dividers in the same story.
I suspect the bleeding from the eye is due to psychic backlash (Though those are usually from the nose too)
I interpreted that as Touma contracting the "Eclipse" disease.
PhoenixFlare
2009-08-11, 08:30
The gunblade is shown to be Divider996 when he uses his "divide by zero" attack. ^^; It's unlikely there are two Dividers in the same story.
Actually, I would. I typically like to play "lead the crowd by dropping obvious hints and clues before revealing otherwise" card in my writing (which still is), but that's just me, perhaps. :heh:
I interpreted that as Touma contracting the "Eclipse" disease.
This is what I suspect as well.
What's with people in Nanoha blasting through walls? It seems to be a preferred method of entry/exit. One wonders why they even build doors.:heh:
prescience
2009-08-11, 09:13
"Divine Buster -- Because walls were made to be broken." :p
What's with people in Nanoha blasting through walls? It seems to be a preferred method of entry/exit. One wonders why they even build doors.:heh:
As a certain Amazon once said...
"Doors take too long."
PhoenixG
2009-08-11, 10:16
Hmmm, I'm reading the Chinese scanlation (and my moonspeak is lousy, to be honest), but from what I understand, Steed probably meant "her" or "that girl/woman" instead of "your girlfriend". Perhaps those better with Japanese can clarify/refute my claim, but when Steed used ”彼女” (which could mean "girlfriend" or just "she/her") in page 9, he didn't add "あなたの" in front of the term, which, if he had, would be translated to "your girlfriend". However he didn't and the sentence in this case should simply be "If you get hurt, I'll be scolded by her". This is, in fact, how it's translated in the Chinese scanlation I'm reading.
As to this "Su-chan"... Personally I think it's Subaru =3
Well I kinda agree with Esta here. 彼女 is pretty ambitious. I would go for 'her' instead of 'girlfriend'
XenahortCharybdis
2009-08-11, 12:45
Hmmm, I'm reading the Chinese scanlation (and my moonspeak is lousy, to be honest), but from what I understand, Steed probably meant "her" or "that girl/woman" instead of "your girlfriend". Perhaps those better with Japanese can clarify/refute my claim, but when Steed used ”彼女” (which could mean "girlfriend" or just "she/her") in page 9, he didn't add "あなたの" in front of the term, which, if he had, would be translated to "your girlfriend". However he didn't and the sentence in this case should simply be "If you get hurt, I'll be scolded by her". This is, in fact, how it's translated in the Chinese scanlation I'm reading.
As to this "Su-chan"... Personally I think it's Subaru =3
And what, may I ask, would their relationship be? :eyebrow:
Well I kinda agree with Esta here. 彼女 is pretty ambitious. I would go for 'her' instead of 'girlfriend'
Hooray. Findings from IRC coming to life. :D
I third that interpretation. I think 7arcs would like to keep this ambiguous too, no?
TheShinySword
2009-08-11, 13:02
And what, may I ask, would their relationship be? :eyebrow:
Boy she saved perhaps? I think we theorized about that all when 00 came out.
Boy she saved perhaps? I think we theorized about that all when 00 came out.
You know, that would make TOO much sense, wouldn't it?
Estavali
2009-08-11, 14:40
Sense is like money. You can't have too much of it =3
Btw, while drowning in Nanohawiki, I think Touma's entry states that his homeworld, 3th Administrated World ヴァイゼン (Vaizen?) was mentioned in SSX. Can someone with a good memory confirm this? =3
prescience
2009-08-11, 14:44
Yeah, Vaizen was one of the two worlds where the Mariage appeared before coming to Midchilda.
Waltz: The first incident (murders) happened three months ago… at Faurus’s ancient historical (ruins) site. On Faurus, the murder victims for all six cases were ancient history/archaeological researchers and scholars/historians… The suspect/criminal, calling themselves Mariage, captured/kidnapped/took captive the victims and threatened/coerced them for some purpose. Afterwards they murder/kill the victim with a large deadly sharp blade. Then usually proceeds to destroy/blow up the area/facility. The subject/contents/details of their interrogation/threats are unknown.
After that, similar incidents took place on/shifted to Weisen (Vaizen)… Four murders with similar details/results.
And then last night, the murders begin/arrived at Central Mid.
PhoenixG
2009-08-11, 15:14
Sense is like money. You can't have too much of it =3
Btw, while drowning in Nanohawiki, I think Touma's entry states that his homeworld, 3th Administrated World ヴァイゼン (Vaizen?) was mentioned in SSX. Can someone with a good memory confirm this? =3
well it was from a magazine
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2369891#post2369891
RadiantBeam
2009-08-11, 19:33
What's with people in Nanoha blasting through walls? It seems to be a preferred method of entry/exit. One wonders why they even build doors.:heh:
If there's no way out of a room, make your own door. :p
Estavali
2009-08-11, 22:34
Yeah, Vaizen was one of the two worlds where the Mariage appeared before coming to Midchilda.
well it was from a magazine
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2369891#post2369891
Ahh, thanks folks =3
Was it ever explained how the Mariage planet-hopped though?
prescience
2009-08-12, 09:33
I don't think so. I would surmise that they were located across multiple worlds in the first place.
Then they'd still need some form of transdimensional communication to tell the ones on the next world they need to act.
If they were on multiple worlds, it's likely there'd be murders on even more worlds than were mentioned in SSX.
Didn't the Mariage have a borg-ish collective consciousness of sorts?
prescience
2009-08-12, 16:26
I had assumed they did. In any case, transdimensional communication is probably easier than transdimensional transportation. Also, do we know how Runessa activated the Mariage? Perhaps she had to be on a world to activate the Mariage present on that world?
Given that it seems that Yuuno and Fate could "call" Nanoha live between MGLN and A's, yeah i'd say that communication ain't that hard.
Wilfriback
2009-08-12, 16:48
Then some introspection chapters, Nanoha will show up and maybe we'll see the "Dividing Driver", err, Divide Shot and the Starlight Breaker clash...
I can see ... the destruction.
Girlfriend from e start of e series? He certainly has e harem making power worthy of the name Touma.
Deja vu???? That reminds me a certain boy with bad luck :heh:
I liked the chapter, that Divide Zero Shot is awesomo it could be in the same power level of the Divine Buster.
prescience
2009-08-12, 16:49
IIRC weren't they exchanging video recordings via mail? I remember Nanoha getting a DVD message from Fate in the post in A's. But there was one of the sound stages (I think) in StrikerS where Nanoha called her folks from Mid, so interplanetary communication is certainly possible.
IIRC weren't they exchanging video recordings via mail? I remember Nanoha getting a DVD message from Fate in the post in A's. But there was one of the sound stages (I think) in StrikerS where Nanoha called her folks from Mid, so interplanetary communication is certainly possible.
The second episode of A's has Yuuno saying "we tried to call you, but it was blocked" or something along those lines when they rescue Nanoha.
Obviously.
The point was that it was possible to use a phone to call people on a non-administered planet in a lot of cases (though touma does say some planets have less in the way of relay ports).
TheShinySword
2009-08-12, 17:17
Obviously.
The point was that it was possible to use a phone to call people on a non-administered planet in a lot of cases (though touma does say some planets have less in the way of relay ports).
The area Touma was in had trouble with interdimensional communication, which I suppose means that normally there is very little trouble. Touma just had the misfortune of entering a dead zone. Of course he doesn't mention what type of communication but judging by the fact he's saying it in a letter of some sorts (or maybe an e-mail?) it's probably the same type.
Password
2009-08-12, 17:38
Vivio sent video messages simultaneously to different worlds (Takamachi family on earth, Erio and Caro on that Wildlife Preservation planet) at the start of ViVid with what seemed to be the Mid-Childa equivalent of a commercial cell phone. So yeah, I think trans-dimensional communication isn't too much of a problem in Nanoha.
It's plausible that interdimensional communication uses boosters to reach goals, like a mobile phone network. A reserve planet might not have as much boosters, if any, which would make communication more difficult.
Of course, this is assuming regular communication. The Mariage, being ancient technology of the Belkan era, is very likely to work somewhat different.
itanshi1
2009-08-12, 18:38
hey theory time. the mariages use each other to boost their signal strength
Xellos-_^
2009-08-12, 21:27
The area Touma was in had trouble with interdimensional communication, which I suppose means that normally there is very little trouble. Touma just had the misfortune of entering a dead zone. Of course he doesn't mention what type of communication but judging by the fact he's saying it in a letter of some sorts (or maybe an e-mail?) it's probably the same type.
he should have gotten a better transdimensional cellphone provider. he doesn't have enough bars on his phone.
he should have gotten a better transdimensional cellphone provider. he doesn't have enough bars on his phone.
Or maybe Skeet is his cellphone?
I'm calling his device Skeet!
Hmm...
Does that mean I can nickname him Booster Gold?
itanshi1
2009-08-12, 21:30
<.< skeet? that has other connotations.
TheShinySword
2009-08-12, 21:34
Or maybe Skeet is his cellphone?
I'm calling his device Skeet!
Hmm...
Does that mean I can nickname him Booster Gold?
Steed would like to have a word with you.
Anyway Steed doesn't have to be a cellphone to act as one, we've devices do that kind of thing before. Touma uses steed to cast Protection so he's an intelligent device of some sort at the very least.
<.< skeet? that has other connotations.
Nanya01 is speaking of this guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeets).
Nanya01 is speaking of this guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeets).
Indeed, that thing.
Kikaifan
2009-08-14, 04:15
Indeed, that thing.
"That thing" will always be Nanoha to me, now.
Given that "that scary thing in the sky" is Fate... LOL.
Nanoha's face when she was called "that thing" was adorable though.
Ottocycle
2009-08-14, 06:01
Nanoha's face when she was called "that thing" was adorable though.
I found Nanoha's faces extra cute throughout that chapter, it was almost like the artist was maximising the cute effect on her with every chance he got. Her battle prep shot with Shari, checking RH's magazine, the sigh of relief after the first few seconds, etc etc.
And she's supposed to be 25! Gah. Nanoha's turning anime conventions on its head again, in its own small way this time.
I think the artists goal might have been something like "Who cares that she's 25? Nanoha is Nanoha!"
Aaron008R
2009-08-14, 06:49
SINCE when was it a rule that a character can't be cute in her 20's and above? :rolleyes:
Here's to finally crushing that outdated rule in anime.:p
Though to be fair, I don't think that StrikerS: After Days occurred in the Force timeline. I'm willing to place that around Sound Stage S4, where the Aces should be around 22.
*attempts to toss cookies at Keroko for the SSM4 DL link but is blocked by AS T_T*
MeisterBabylon
2009-08-14, 09:58
I'm sure Aaron is pleased for that in more than one way. ;)
No complaints from me either; Fate looks better and better as the years go past. :D
Tri-Ace Post GETTO! ^v^
Village Idiot
2009-08-15, 08:47
Did anyone translate the StrikerS After Days chapter yet?
prescience
2009-08-15, 09:10
Yes. (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2557817#post2557817)
[damn 10 char limit]
Did anyone translate the StrikerS After Days chapter yet?
Here as well. (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_shoujo_lyrical_nanoha_strikers_the_comics/c015/)
Bananoha
2009-08-15, 11:50
Did anyone translate the StrikerS After Days chapter yet?I'm slowly working on a not as grainy one for the people who like to archive. People like me.
It's just too bad that heroknow (http://www.youtube.com/user/hironou2525) has finally finished his tabs for "innocent starter" [Thank Kyouka-sama I don't need a sliding capo like most of the other songs I'm interested in] and well, BlazBlue and Ookami are awesome.
.... I hope it'll be finished before next chapter of Force comes out. Which reminds me, ANYONE WANNA TRANSLATE FOR ME OR SHALL I GET BASAKA SPEED TLs? 8D
sami_sonic
2009-08-16, 22:53
Hi, I am new in this forum, although I've reading it since some time ago.
I'm from México, I'm fan of Lyrical Nanoha, but this series has little attention in the spanish speakers community (or that what it seems, I think there are a lot of fans, but they're hiding under the rocks :D). Until now I haven't found a forum/site dedicated to the Nanoha fanchise in spanish, but I'm glad that found this place, it has a big community of Nanoha fans, but I'm leaving the point of this thread.
First of all, I like to thank the scanlators of this manga to English, as I am a scanlating this to spanish based in the english translation and thanks to you that is possible.
I found some scans from the tankoubon of StrikerS The Comics, and there are some pages that I like to know what they say.
This are the pages,
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1782/079brd.th.jpg (http://img5.imageshack.us/my.php?image=079brd.jpg) http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9750/080e.th.jpg (http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=080e.jpg)
This 2 are after the chapter 3 and before the chapter 4, I think that
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/214/nanoha20007.th.jpg (http://img195.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nanoha20007.jpg) http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/2002/nanoha20008.th.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nanoha20008.jpg)
And this are at the start of volume 2
Could someone translate them?
I'm from México, I'm fan of Lyrical Nanoha, but this series has little attention in the spanish speakers community (or that what it seems, I think there are a lot of fans, but they're hiding under the rocks :D). Until now I haven't found a forum/site dedicated to the Nanoha fanchise in spanish, but I'm glad that found this place, it has a big community of Nanoha fans, but I'm leaving the point of this thread.
I agree. I have found about 2 or 3 Nanoha communities in spanish, but all of them lack of active users. The only place in Spanish with high activity comparable to this site is the coyuhi forums (http://coyuhi.foros.ws/f66/mahou-shoujo-lyrical-nanoha/).
Cuídense y sigan sonriendo :)
Estavali
2009-08-16, 23:56
Hi, I am new in this forum, although I've reading it since some time ago.
I'm from México, I'm fan of Lyrical Nanoha, but this series has little attention in the spanish speakers community (or that what it seems, I think there are a lot of fans, but they're hiding under the rocks :D). Until now I haven't found a forum/site dedicated to the Nanoha fanchise in spanish, but I'm glad that found this place, it has a big community of Nanoha fans, but I'm leaving the point of this thread.
First of all, I like to thank the scanlators of this manga to English, as I am a scanlating this to spanish based in the english translation and thanks to you that is possible.
I found some scans from the tankoubon of StrikerS The Comics, and there are some pages that I like to know what they say.
This are the pages,
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1782/079brd.th.jpg (http://img5.imageshack.us/my.php?image=079brd.jpg) http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/9750/080e.th.jpg (http://img514.imageshack.us/my.php?image=080e.jpg)
This 2 are after the chapter 3 and before the chapter 4, I think that
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/214/nanoha20007.th.jpg (http://img195.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nanoha20007.jpg) http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/2002/nanoha20008.th.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nanoha20008.jpg)
And this are at the start of volume 2
Could someone translate them?
Welcome, friend, and peace to you =3
The first two pages you posted are basically a summary of the airport fire we saw in episode 1 and 2. If I'm not wrong, the other two should be similar summaries, especially the last image, which is, I believe, a summary of S&T's test.
FYI, the A's tankoban had similar pages too =3
Welcome, friend, and peace to you =3
The first two pages you posted are basically a summary of the airport fire we saw in episode 1 and 2. If I'm not wrong, the other two should be similar summaries, especially the last image, which is, I believe, a summary of S&T's test.
FYI, the A's tankoban had similar pages too =3
They are indeed summaries of episode 1 and 2. Nothing new to add to what we already know in the pages that I can see...
sami_sonic
2009-08-17, 11:50
I agree. I have found about 2 or 3 Nanoha communities in spanish, but all of them lack of active users. The only place in Spanish with high activity comparable to this site is the coyuhi forums (http://coyuhi.foros.ws/f66/mahou-shoujo-lyrical-nanoha/).
Cuídense y sigan sonriendo :)
Ya decía yo que ese "Cuidense y sigan sonriendo :)" no era nada mas por que si :D
Well, I'm not an assiduous visitor of the coyuhi forums, I recognize that there are interesting threads there like the one with the origins of Nanoha (http://coyuhi.foros.ws/t3118/como-empezo-nanoha/), but there are some threads that... well, better not discuss them here, after all is a yuri focused forum
But I guess it won't hurt me going around there once in a while.
Back to this topic theme
@Stavali & Nagumo
I was expecting that the first 2 were from the air fire, but for last 2 I had no idea, thanks for the explanation.
The next Force chapter will be released this month or the next?
prescience
2009-08-17, 13:42
Next month; 30 September. Let's hope subsequent chapters come out every month... having to wait two months between releases would be painful...
what about ViVid?
Was there going to be a comic for the Nanoha movie?
Ottocycle
2009-08-17, 19:38
Vivid has always been regularly released monthly, and yeah the movie will get a manga adaptation.
Xellos-_^
2009-08-17, 20:28
"That thing" will always be Nanoha to me, now.
Nanoha's nickname now inlcudes
The Thing
White Devil
Battle Manic
has there ever been a better Mahou Shoujo :D:p
btw, anyone ever talk to fans of the traditional mahou shoujo genre regarding Nanoha? what does the fans of the traditional mahou shoujo think of the White Devil, The Thing and the Battle Manaic?
spawnofthejudge
2009-08-17, 20:32
btw, anyone ever talk to fans of the traditional mahou shoujo genre regarding Nanoha? what does the fans of the traditional mahou shoujo think of the White Devil, The Thing and the Battle Manaic?As a huge Cardcaptor Sakura fan, do I count?
Xellos-_^
2009-08-17, 20:38
As a huge Cardcaptor Sakura fan, do I count?
hmmm
1. do you like Sailormoon?
2. what part of the mahou shoujo genre do like, the romance or action?
RadiantBeam
2009-08-17, 20:40
hmmm
1. do you like Sailormoon?
*perks up*
Sailor Moon? Where?
*machine-gunned*
TheShinySword
2009-08-17, 20:51
*magical girl fangirl right here* There are quite a few in the Nanoha fandom actually. It appeals to me but not in the same way as say, Sailor Moon does. One I watch for giant explosions and characters, one I watch because I like sparkles and the comfort of routine monster of the weekness. And the power of friendship. Can't get enough of good 'ol friendship.
I liked Sailor Moon and CCS, but...
My tastes changed enough... I doubt I could ever go back to watching them...
Well, I could stand to watch Sailor Moon during the Pharaoh 90 arc, that was pretty decent, overall.
Don't get me wrong, those two series are still among my favorites, I just doubt I could take the time to go back and watch them.
It isn't even the fight scenes that got me into Nanoha (though they got me to like the series in the first place) but rather the relationships that the characters have. (Gods, I still tear up when I watch the "Say My Name" part of the first season. And the part where Vivio's crying about how she's not real and asks Nanoha to kill her and Nanoha tells her otherwise... Dammit! I'm tearing up right now thinking about it!)
...Yeah, I'm a sucker for relationship stuff. I'm weird like that, but I like romance stuff. (Don't get me wrong though, I LOVE a good fight scene.)
zerodragon
2009-08-18, 00:14
*magical girl fangirl right here* There are quite a few in the Nanoha fandom actually. It appeals to me but not in the same way as say, Sailor Moon does. One I watch for giant explosions and characters, one I watch because I like sparkles and the comfort of routine monster of the weekness. And the power of friendship. Can't get enough of good 'ol friendship.
the weapons was what had got me :D. where else do you see a magic girl of 9 year-old fire big beams that should belong on DBZ ;) and could more than likely kick salior moon's butt
Rising Dragon
2009-08-18, 00:38
She wouldn't kick Sailor Moon's butt. She'd just befriend her. :3
itanshi1
2009-08-18, 00:39
Yeah, this plot point has been explored in fanfic form before. doubt i could find it on short notice
RadiantBeam
2009-08-18, 15:44
She wouldn't kick Sailor Moon's butt. She'd just befriend her. :3
With Sailor Moon and Nanoha in the same room, they'd have a befriending frenzy. :heh:
I like Vivid more than Force......
Rising Dragon
2009-08-18, 16:31
Are the high quality translated scans of Force out yet? I still haven't had a chance to read the first chapter.
Are the high quality translated scans of Force out yet? I still haven't had a chance to read the first chapter.
Here you go. Chapter 1. (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_senki_lyrical_nanoha_force/v01/c001/)
NorthernFallout
2009-08-18, 16:40
Are the high quality translated scans of Force out yet? I still haven't had a chance to read the first chapter.
The one Mangafox is probably the most HQ translated out there.
Edit: Oh damnit ninja'd
Rising Dragon
2009-08-18, 16:49
Thanks for the provide, guys.
Nina.Wolken
2009-08-19, 12:05
Just a little something for the October issue of CampAce : http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/707/middle1250524245.th.jpg (http://img5.imageshack.us/i/middle1250524245.jpg/). More fluff to come? :p
Just a little something for the October issue of CampAce : http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/707/middle1250524245.th.jpg (http://img5.imageshack.us/i/middle1250524245.jpg/). More fluff to come? :p
Yay for mother-daughter bonding~
I'll be hoping for some more fluff and for a full size and colored version of that image ^^
Cuídense y sigan sonriendo :)
yezhanquan
2009-08-19, 22:35
With Sailor Moon and Nanoha in the same room, they'd have a befriending frenzy. :heh:
Throw Sakura inside and yeah, more befriending.
spawnofthejudge
2009-08-20, 09:23
Throw Sakura inside and yeah, more befriending.Shake well; allow to cool before serving.
RadiantBeam
2009-08-20, 10:44
Shake well; allow to cool before serving.
Savor slowly, because you might never enjoy something quite like this ever again.
"Caution: Contains copious amounts of befriending. May lead to slight physical discomfort. Refer to your local charming doctor."
...
*temped to overdose and pay a visit to Shamal*
yezhanquan
2009-08-20, 10:53
Also, you can choose the mode of befriending: Beam spam, power blasts, or magic circles.
RadiantBeam
2009-08-20, 10:59
Sailor Moon comes with an extra "power of love" feature, as well.
TheShinySword
2009-08-20, 11:37
Though you have to wait ten minutes before serving as the girls go through their sparkle nude transformations.
Rising Dragon
2009-08-20, 11:40
Make sure Nanoha and Sakura are of legal age and I don't think anyone here would mind that.
Perhaps they would. Some like theirs younger, after all.
I thought Sakura didn't have the sparkly nude transformation.
TheShinySword
2009-08-20, 11:57
She doesn't iirc. So in a battle she has the advantage :P unless she's intent on following the code of sit and wait for everyone to finish.
She doesn't iirc. So in a battle she has the advantage :P unless she's intent on following the code of sit and wait for everyone to finish.
Don't you know? When someone goes through a transformation sequence, there's always power (or a tornado!) to protect them until they finish up.
RadiantBeam
2009-08-20, 12:03
Sailor Moon is the most extreme example of this. Her transformation takes the most time out of all the senshi, and gets lengthier with each power up and new item she gets per season.
TheShinySword
2009-08-20, 12:05
From what we've seen in Nanoha isn't it true that their transformation sequences are completely optional?
Rising Dragon
2009-08-20, 12:07
The transformations are there for our benefit, pretty much. In actuality they last all of two seconds or so.
Sailor Moon is the most extreme example of this. Her transformation takes the most time out of all the senshi, and gets lengthier with each power up and new item she gets per season.
Which has even been parodied. I recall an enemy starting a countdown to an attack once, and only by the time she reached zero did Moon and Chibi's attack hit her.
From what we've seen in Nanoha isn't it true that their transformation sequences are completely optional?
They are.
From what we've seen in Nanoha isn't it true that their transformation sequences are completely optional?
Nope.
The transformation sequence only takes a moment, just a flash of light and new clothes.
When we see them go through it... (Darn! Hayate! Why didn't YOU get one? ;_; ) time is slowed down significantly.
All ten StrikerS transformations. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMg71WlMDlU)
TheShinySword
2009-08-20, 12:09
The transformations are there for our benefit, pretty much. In actuality they last all of two seconds or so.
Actually, at least in the case of Sailor moon, they have the bonus of taking up a good amount of screen time and being nothing but stock footage. Not a bad way to save on budget.
Rising Dragon
2009-08-20, 12:10
I was speaking solely for the Nanoha crew. :V Since that was what you were asking at the time.
TheShinySword
2009-08-20, 12:13
Ah I thought you were speaking generally. So the truth is there is no transformation sequence.
Rising Dragon
2009-08-20, 12:14
Nope. I probably should've quoted you when I answered.
Bananoha
2009-08-20, 12:27
Don't you know? When someone goes through a transformation sequence, there's always power (or a tornado!) to protect them until they finish up.Nononono, it's:
"No attacking during transformation scenes!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuPPEk-G4NE#t=01m59s)
inb4pastelinkisvoicedbytamurayukariwhovoicednano- oops.
Of course people don't attack during transformation scenes.
The girls are naked.
Gotta stop and stare after all! ;)
Xellos-_^
2009-08-20, 14:15
not sure if anyone posted this already by the link is to a chinese site hosting a nanos of Nanoha taking Vivio home to meet her parents.
http://www.lyrical.cn/midoriya/
RadiantBeam
2009-08-20, 14:18
Come on, we're talking about Nanoha's Triangle Heart parents and siblings. I doubt they'd really have much of a reaction to Vivio, considering what they've all gone through.
"You're adopting a little girl? That's nice, honey."
Probably...
Buuuuut....
*Shifty eyes*
what if she forgot to say that she was adopting a girl?
Just (http://danbooru.donmai.us/data/63c990264fd25b30f688d8caee54537c.jpg) like (http://danbooru.donmai.us/data/2fe8a8c9eea5ec333686194d0f54ef1d.jpg) this (http://danbooru.donmai.us/data/6885be203cea3d23ff9252c5e8870d9e.jpg) shows. (http://danbooru.donmai.us/data/1f3e8de3066f06e3f0ab892377324f58.jpg)
Laevatein
2009-08-20, 14:35
While we're talking crossovers, I'd love to see a scene where Nanoha, Fate and Vivio meet up with Haruka, Michiru and Hotaru.
While we're talking crossovers, I'd love to see a scene where Nanoha, Fate and Vivio meet up with Haruka, Michiru and Hotaru.
Hotaru has two mamas and a papa and Vivio has only two mamas...
Hotaru wins there. :p
Xellos-_^
2009-08-20, 14:56
Hotaru has two mamas and a papa and Vivio has only two mamas...
Hotaru wins there. :p
hotaru papa = derange scientist
Vivio cloner = derange scientist
hotaru papa = derange scientist
Vivio cloner = derange scientist
Hotaru has Haruka-papa, Michiru-mama and Setsuna-mama.
Vivio has Nanoha-mama and Fate-mama...
There's no papa for Vivio.
Xellos-_^
2009-08-20, 15:04
Does Hayate and Signaum count?
As a papa for Vivio? Not really. The only time Vivio talked to Hayate was during M3, and she was rather respectful calling her 'commander Hayate' and we don't even know how she addresses Signum.
Though since that would support Fatenum... I kind of like it.
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