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Another.... alternate re-telling.... ? @_@
Looks like it. I also noticed Fate being pinned to the bed (or whatever she's laying on at page 23) this manga is taking the dive to drama country as if their lives depend on it.
Because by look I mean I'm cleaning the pages until my TLer comes back from work then eating. *coughs*
Ah, well, no I'm not getting that problem. But the images are all JPEG's on my side to begin with.
So, looked through the Force RAWs. Not bad, not bad at all. Instant action and even though I have no idea what Veyron is saying... he and his team seems to spike on my list.
Especially the eyepatch girl. Oh god I want more eyepatch girl.
And Caro's new hairstyle computes perfectly. As does Hayate's.
But where is the mysterious raven haired women accompany Veyron when he nuked Touma's village years ago? Maybe next chapter we are introduced to her
It's probably one of the scenes I didn't see. Although there was one scene where she defeated some kind of Jewel Shard monster...Was that supposed to be the kitty?
Well, this manga seems extremely graphic compared to the T.V. or even the movie. Just looking at Nanoha and Fate during the instances they were defeated - It looked as if they were knocking on deaths door.
MovieManga!Nanoha took a turn towards the emo, MovieManga!Fate a turn for the brutal... makes me wonder what this manga has on stock for Yuuno and Chrono.
I'd like to ask the author what the point of that is.:eyebrow:
Because making a manga that re-tells the movie is an even lamer way to cash in on the franchise?
I mean, this way we at least get something a bit fresh.
Because making a manga that re-tells the movie is an even lamer way to cash in on the franchise?
I mean, this way we at least get something a bit fresh.
I didn't particularly find it lame...out of character, however...
The chapters up until this one (where something bad happened...) were quite enjoyable, imo. Nanoha's emo scene didn't particularly bother me like it did to some others, but exclude that scene and I'm sure most wouldn't bash it at all. And being the Fate fan that I am, I obviously enjoyed Fate's backstory.
Luckily for me, I only take the anime to heart! Nanoha manga is one of the few manga I've actually read...
NorthernFallout
2010-02-03, 13:38
But where is the mysterious raven haired women accompany Veyron when he nuked Touma's village years ago? Maybe next chapter we are introduced to herYes. Hoping for more of her too. Mysterious!Woman.
00-Raiser
2010-02-03, 13:39
The entire chapter is just pretty much a summary of what happened in-between without re-hashing S1 again. According to JINNSK, the manga does not follow the movie, instead it's another alternate re-telling.
Is that the official word? Cuz this chapter looks like it just glosses over the movie, and then they'll get into the aftermath of the whole Precia thing. Unless the stuff glossed over didn't happen that way in the movie, which I can't say since I've never seen it...
I didn't particularly find it lame...out of character, however...
Up till now the manga hadn't reached the movie yet. Now, the manga reached the point where it would either have to re-tell the movie or throw it's own twist at it.
They chose not to pull a Disney and do the later.
Is that the official word? Cuz this chapter looks like it just glosses over the movie, and then they'll get into the aftermath of the whole Precia thing. Unless the stuff glossed over didn't happen that way in the movie, which I can't say since I've never seen it...
Even with the few things I've seen of it, I'm pretty sure the movie doesn't end with a cataconic Fate bound to... something and Nanoha crying her eyes out. Movies based on series, especially first, tend to have happy endings.
Up till now the manga hadn't reached the movie yet. Now, the manga reached the point where it would either have to re-tell the movie or throw it's own twist at it.
They chose not to pull a Disney and do the later.
Even with the few things I've seen of it, I'm pretty sure the movie doesn't end with a cataconic Fate bound to... something and Nanoha crying her eyes out. Movies based on series, especially first, tend to have happy endings.
I figured just like the A's or StrikerS manga, they could use it to fill pieces that were not included in the manga. Pieces in the movie that didn't have to be added in order for the movie to make sense, but are nice to know anyways.
I supposed since the movie is a retelling, they couldnt think of anything "new" to aid the movie.
Possibly. Whatever the reason, it certainly does look like they're stretching things to the extreme in this manga, though I'll withhold definite accusations until translations.
itanshi1
2010-02-03, 14:13
Movie Manga ought to complement it. Its done fairly often for some works here in the US. Novels for everything else.
Bananoha
2010-02-03, 14:33
I want more mysterious lady and Nanoha. And I think Veyron is cool. And Touma's baby Starlight Breaker. 'A'
But the movie mango.... Time to pester Tori when the raws come out. *cough*Ah, well, no I'm not getting that problem. But the images are all JPEG's on my side to begin with.( ._.) Converted to .png to try and make the file size smaller or something?
I would have thought that Subaru's big sister of sorts relationship with Touma revelation would have caused more chat and surprise though, but aw well.
00-Raiser
2010-02-03, 14:54
I would have thought that Subaru's big sister of sorts relationship with Touma revelation would have caused more chat and surprise though, but aw well.
That's because it was revealed in the prolouge chapter. Everyone knew 'Su-chan' was Subaru.
To those who have problems viewing the Force 04 raws, it could be an encoding glitch or incompatibility. Try different viewers, some may work. If you want to edit the pages, one of those viewers should be able to save in various formats. Try resaving in png if possible. It's better than jpg. Saving in higher-quality formats would be redundant at this point.
Evil Rick
2010-02-03, 14:56
Just checked out the newest Vivid today, not much to coment abot really, a predectible chapter but good anyway.
Ehmmm... I am the only one who thinks there is something VERY WRONG with Lutecia? :heh:
IBut the movie mango.... Time to pester Tori when the raws come out.
Yeah, like I said, I have those.
( ._.) Converted to .png to try and make the file size smaller or something?
*tilts head* Is that what you did? Because the images were all JPEG's in the zip for me.
Bananoha
2010-02-03, 15:15
That's because it was revealed in the prolouge chapter. Everyone knew 'Su-chan' was Subaru.I was hoping it wasn't Subaru. More characters, yeah!Yeah, like I said, I have those.Er, yes, I've read your previous post somewhere about you having it. What was the point about bringing it up again? o.o*tilts head* Is that what you did? Because the images were all JPEG's in the zip for me.Yes, I'd open the files, re-save them as .png and then complain how I'm not able to open them when I was able to in the first place. >__>;?
They're .png for me. ViVid ch09 were .jpg, so I don't know what's going on. I should probably restart though.
Er, yes, I've read your previous post somewhere about you having it. What was the point about bringing it up again? o.o
I'll just send you the PM, quicker that way. :p
Yes, I'd open the files, re-save them as .png and then complain how I'm not able to open them when I was able to in the first place. >__>;?
They're .png for me. ViVid ch09 were .jpg, so I don't know what's going on. I should probably restart though.
Just checking I wasn't confusing myself. :heh: Well, I'll just send you the JPG version then.
nicky_008
2010-02-03, 15:35
This time, my released files are png format. (Normally, jpg format.)
I don't think about people who use other program than ACDSee, which hasn't any problem in reading and editing (to jpg format).
So the Force antagonist is:
A Gunho Biker Gang, you gotta be kidding me.
*shrug* Why not? We've had the 'evil mother' the 'band of dark knights' the 'misguided military leader' the 'corrupt government' and the 'mad scientist' so far, the biker gang fits in Nanoha's diverse list of adversaries just fine.
I'm still shocked that the mysterious Church was not evil.
NorthernFallout
2010-02-03, 16:09
And so far, more interesting and badass than any previous. (well... A's being the exception.)
prescience
2010-02-03, 16:10
Ehmmm... I am the only one who thinks there is something VERY AWESOME with Lutecia? :heh:
Fixed that for you :p
Naga!Lulu is hilarious.
So the Force antagonist is:
A Gun-hoe Biker Gang, you gotta be kidding me.
A gung-ho biker gang with a Subaru-clone, a Vivio-clone (woot, two clones-of-clones :p), someone who looks a bit like a cross between Signum and Cinque, a crazy-ass biker dude and some other dude? Sounds good to me :heh:
Rising Dragon
2010-02-03, 16:12
When someone gets their hands on dangerous Lost Logia, anyone's got the potential to become a villain or antagonist.
I don't really see the Subaru in goggle girl, though the Vivio clone I did note (it's the age and side-tails, methinks). Eyepatch... reminded me of Reinforce more than anyone. This is not a bad thing.
Muscles impresses me the least. The eyes look screwy.
prescience
2010-02-03, 16:24
Goggles = Subaru I got just from the cheerfulness and bare midriff; a bit of a stretch, I guess. Eyepatch = Rein Eins works pretty well... now that I think of it. Isn't it sad, Reinforce?
I remember a while ago that someone referred to "Hückebein" as a family... probably just a translation artifact, but it would be true to form if this lot were the Hückebein family. It would also explain why a biker gang keeps a kid like Vivio-clone around. But I'm hoping that the scale of the story is a bit bigger than that...
Bananoha
2010-02-03, 16:35
I remember a while ago that someone referred to "Hückebein" as a family... probably just a translation artifact, but it would be true to form if this lot were the Hückebein family. It would also explain why a biker gang keeps a kid like Vivio-clone around. But I'm hoping that the scale of the story is a bit bigger than that...Kanji says organization while the furigana says family. So, I put "Hückebein Family" and hoped that it feel like the mafia or something. And this is one of the few times where I'm glad I don't use all capital fonts like Anime Ace/Wild Words. ( ._.)
Also, loli is there because Veyron is a lolicon, like all people trying to take over th- ZETTAI KAREN CHILDREN DAKARA MAKENAI.
prescience
2010-02-03, 17:12
Hmm... how confusing of them. I had interpreted it as mafia-esque when I first read it, but it occurred to me that Nanoha likes making its characters related to each other :p
I wonder what capacity Nanoha and Subaru are involved in this case in (assuming they're involved at all at this point)? It makes sense for Hayate, Fate and Teana to be involved given their posts, but I can't see why Nanoha and Subaru would be pulled away from their usual jobs at this stage. Hayate slowly taking over the TSAB, anyone? :p
00-Raiser
2010-02-03, 17:25
Vivio clone I did note (it's the age and side-tails, methinks).
Hm, I'm getting a Di-air vibe from her, actually, which isn't surprising since the manga-ka also does the Kiddy Girl-and manga.
Anyways, I was under the impression that the goggles chick was the one Touma saw in his flashback...
Kanji says organization while the furigana says family. So, I put "Hückebein Family" and hoped that it feel like the mafia or something. And this is one of the few times where I'm glad I don't use all capital fonts like Anime Ace/Wild Words. ( ._.)
Also, loli is there because Veyron is a lolicon, like all people trying to take over th- ZETTAI KAREN CHILDREN DAKARA MAKENAI.
I would be fcking happy if it was something like The Mob.
Hm, I'm getting a Di-air vibe from her, actually, which isn't surprising since the manga-ka also does the Kiddy Girl-and manga.
A mix between Dia and Vivio... *shudders* There's such a thing as 'too much cute.'
Anyways, I was under the impression that the goggles chick was the one Touma saw in his flashback...
*shakes head* The hair doesn't match. It's different in both style and color.
Body length seems to be different as well. Flashback seems taller, though that might be because Veyron is shorter.
00-Raiser
2010-02-03, 18:01
A mix between Dia and Vivio... *shudders* There's such a thing as 'too much cute.'
If she has a pet voiced by Wakamoto, all our heads would explode from the awesome!
If she has a pet voiced by Wakamoto, all our heads would explode from the awesome!
If any of the producers are on this forum, please take note of this and make Kris be voiced by Wakamoto plz.
Murgatroyd
2010-02-03, 20:01
Kanji says organization while the furigana says family. So, I put "Hückebein Family" and hoped that it feel like the mafia or something. And this is one of the few times where I'm glad I don't use all capital fonts like Anime Ace/Wild Words. ( ._.)
I'm not sure where you're getting "organization" from, unless a different word was used in earlier chapters. The translation 'Hückebein Family' is a good one, including the implication - while the primary meaning of 一家 is simply 'family' or 'household', it is also the term used for a yakuza "family".
Nina.Wolken
2010-02-03, 20:07
I know I should not post that but...
I really had a good laugh reading the latest Force chapter when (if I don't misread, which is completely possible), Vayron mocks Touma when this one states that he saved Lily. Veyron doesn't believe one second that this brat (that's how he considers/treats him *hum*) could save or protect her.
I personally enjoy watching Veyron (who is kinda cool) looking down on Touma and having this one being all worked up in return (that's also because he wants to know what happen to his country, of course). But it also reveals that Lily should have been able to protect herself in Vyron's opinion and that Touma shall not have been able to save her or didn't have any interest in saving her. That's what make him laugh so hard and calling Touma an awesome baka.
Since I pretty much trust Veyron by now, I hope Lily's secret is that she is, indeed, the bad girl. I can only hope that the darkness inside her match the purity her name tends to make us believe in :].
Bananoha
2010-02-03, 20:39
Veyron, Veyron, yay, Nina~I'm not sure where you're getting "organization" from, unless a different word was used in earlier chapters. The translation 'Hückebein Family' is a good one, including the implication - while the primary meaning of 一家 is simply 'family' or 'household', it is also the term used for a yakuza "family".I said "organization" probably because that's what I thought ZSS used for their release of chapter two or whatever.
Clearly, I didn't go check it again myself, lol. I think my TLer did the same, but I noticed the furigana said "family" so I yeah. ;x
Evil Rick
2010-02-03, 20:47
So the Force antagonist is:
A Gunho Biker Gang, you gotta be kidding me.
Well, the bad boy villan was missing in these series, don't?
Fixed that for you :p
Naga!Lulu is hilarious.
... okay... >_>;
isagrimorie
2010-02-03, 21:12
I hope with Nanoha finally arriving on scene things pick-up or actually, the updates pick-up this bi-monthly schedule is killing me!
BTW, I don't know if this has been linked before but Okazu (http://okazu.blogspot.com) reports (http://okazu.blogspot.com/2010/01/yuri-network-news-january-29-2010.html) that Digital Manga Publishing will release the Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS manga Vol. 1 on September this year.
00-Raiser
2010-02-03, 21:20
BTW, I don't know if this has been linked before but Okazu (http://okazu.blogspot.com) reports (http://okazu.blogspot.com/2010/01/yuri-network-news-january-29-2010.html) that Digital Manga Publishing will release the Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS manga Vol. 1 on September this year.
Huh, so it's not dead.
... This is still the most baffling licence decision in recent memory, though :eyespin:
Their loss, your gain. Assuming you manage to grab the series before they scrap the title due to lack of sales.
TheShinySword
2010-02-03, 22:45
Which DMP does quite often so I suggest ordering asap.
Have any other Lyrical Nanoha mangas gotten licensed?
00-Raiser
2010-02-03, 23:41
Have any other Lyrical Nanoha mangas gotten licensed?
Nope, which is what makes it strange. That, and the StrikerS manga is meant to supplement the TV series, which, obviously, wasn't released over here.
Bananoha
2010-02-04, 01:50
Hayate slowly taking over the TSAB, anyone? :pYes, yes she is.
.... And she better get a piece of the real action, too.
'kay, Force ch04 is out, have at it I guess.
Hayate slowly taking over the TSAB, anyone? :p
Nah, advisor Leone already taken TSAB after brains fiasco and made Leti her successor. Of course favorite student of adm.Leti aka Hayate is in turn HER successor.
Ottocycle
2010-02-04, 04:30
If she has a pet voiced by Wakamoto, all our heads would explode from the awesome!
If any of the producers are on this forum, please take note of this and make Kris be voiced by Wakamoto plz.
HALLO EBERY NYAN. HOW ARE YOU. FINE SAN KYUU.
:heh: Snarky Kris. =3
Nope, which is what makes it strange. That, and the StrikerS manga is meant to supplement the TV series, which, obviously, wasn't released over here.
Possibly a test of the waters to see how well people react to a less kiddy looking work (because, let's face it, for all it's flaws many were drawn to Nanoha because of StrikerS).
Alternatively, since they already paid for the license, they decided they might as well throw it on the market.
marconii2002
2010-02-04, 06:05
Translated chaper 4 Force are out on manga fox
prescience
2010-02-04, 06:09
Whoah fast. GiB banzai orz orz orz
EDIT: DDL: http://raizoo.wordpress.com/
... Aaaaand my varsity proxy blocks mediafire. :/
Von Himmel
2010-02-04, 07:27
FFFFFFFF VEYROON~~!!!
Somehow, he made up with my favourite male character list just because of this chapter lol
For some reasons, I had a feeling that the Huckebein family might not all that bad...Maybe there's a greater evil that lurks out there, or maybe one of them are bad while the others are not >_>;
But, guessing on how they oppose Nanoha at the moment....Can't say much of them being good right now :heh: Seriously, this chapter makes me wonder on how it'll turn out.
Ottocycle
2010-02-04, 07:57
The past week (movie 1st release week) was a good week for Nanoha manga. Force enters the Oricon manga charts straightaway upon release debuting at 7th with more than 56,000 copies. Vivid sales in its second week were also buoyed by the momentum and rose to 12th, from 22nd during its release week. Vivid has sold a total of nearly 80,000 copies in its two weeks of release.
Japanese ranking page (http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/obc/w/)
Translated ranking (http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=156615)
It's time to start predicting the future of the franchise. =3
*cheers* thanks for the translation of Force's latest chapter.
Bananoha
2010-02-04, 08:20
It's time to start predicting the future of the franchise. =3lol, wot. I'm completely surprised by the sales. Force selling more than ViVid in the first week? datz mad WITHOUT FURTHER ADO~
Touma = Kakihara Tetsuya or Irino Miyu
Lily = Chihara Minori
Isis = Kitamura Eri
Veyron = Nakamura Yuuichi Kawaii yo Nakamura kawaii
...................... Sisters = Inoue Kikuko *runs* lolmayberierietoo
Not so rittle Kazuki = Not Inoue Marina or I'll think I'm watching Kampfer Maeno Tomoaki? I might end up calling Touma "Touya" and rage.
Einhart = Takagaki Ayahi so I can go LOL PHANTOM MINDS norly, I'm thinking someone cute like Hayami Saori
Corona = Kotobuki Minako 'cause she reminds me of Mugi-chan in half the scenes
Lio = .... Toyosaki Aki. Maybe. idkijustwokeup. Itou Kanae would also be cute for smooth fang-tan loli o'er here.
Kris = Nakata Jouj because THIS IS NANOHAAAA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyuL5urzEgg)
Though I would be very, very amused to hear ChiwaChiwa and Wakamoto having a rolling r-off or something. I miss Kemeko DX. ( ._.)... Aaaaand my varsity proxy blocks mediafire. :/QUALITY SPEED SCANS.
Will try to remember you can't use mediafire if you don't use mangafox. Do you prefer megaupload or rapidshare or something? :s
prescience
2010-02-04, 08:26
Will try to remember you can't use mediafire if you don't use mangafox. Do you prefer megaupload or rapidshare or something? :s
No worries; I'm not at varsity that often anyway :heh:
If he has a good idea on the culprit behind the mine event and wants to know about it, come to me.
Interesting... it almost sounds as though Veyron doesn't know who the culprit was himself, and wants to get more info from Touma. Hmm...
It seems that the TSAB is taking this case pretty damn seriously, if they're pulling in the entire class of 75 so soon. I hadn't expected that...
lol, wot. I'm completely surprised by the sales. Force selling more than ViVid in the first week? datz mad
Possible signs that the moe bubble has burst? Too early to make final conclusions though, but it's... satisfying to know that plot trumps fanservice for now.
NorthernFallout
2010-02-04, 09:30
TAKE THAT NOOBS. MWAHAHA.
*cough*
Good news that, good news. A promising future awaits for you, Lily.
don't worry, kero. the moe bubble will reappear once the J... L... G?.... H-On anime returns for their second season. Then the moetards will lap up anything and everything moe again.
lol, wot. I'm completely surprised by the sales. Force selling more than ViVid in the first week? datz mad
Edit:
Now that is excellent news for this manga that had gotten an unfair amount of flak.
I have yet to hear moar denial from the Anti-Force folks.
Ottocycle
2010-02-04, 09:43
lol, wot. I'm completely surprised by the sales. Force selling more than ViVid in the first week? datz mad WITHOUT FURTHER ADO~
Touma = Kakihara Tetsuya or Irino Miyu
Lily = Chihara Minori
Isis = Kitamura Eri
Veyron = Nakamura Yuuichi Kawaii yo Nakamura kawaii
...................... Sisters = Inoue Kikuko *runs* lolmayberierietoo
Not so rittle Kazuki = Not Inoue Marina or I'll think I'm watching Kampfer Maeno Tomoaki? I might end up calling Touma "Touya" and rage.
I'd go for Hino Satoshi/FukuJun for big Erio (he might still need to do those ecchi comedy moments), and Yoshino Hiroyuki/Seki Toshihiko for Veyron. Spot on for Touma though IMO. Horie Yui for Isis for the srsbsns moments that she might have coming. I'd pitch the typecast of Takagaki Ayahi as Lily too. =3
Nakamura would make an awesome Veyron, thanks to Gundam 00 for that.
Veyron: I BOUGHT THIS AWESUM MASK AT COMIKET!
Bananoha
2010-02-04, 09:59
I'd go for Hino Satoshi/FukuJun for big Erio (he might still need to do those ecchi comedy moments), and Yoshino Hiroyuki/Seki Toshihiko for Veyron. Spot on for Touma though IMO. Horie Yui for Isis for the srsbsns moments that she might have coming. I'd pitch the typecast of Takagaki Ayahi as Lily too. =3The lack of HinoRie makes me not want Hino. FukuJun would be cool, but then he'd be way too much like Kazuki for me, unless Erio becomes a Bakapard.
Yoshino would make me cry in a super special way. Seki is always good. Just hope he doesn't spoil the ending if Veyron turns out to not be part of the bigger picture? *run*
I'm mad at Hocchan right now, so lol. >__>; I was thinking Tomatsu Haruka for a possible Isis in the shower, but I also want KitaEri to go back into fagfagyurifag mode over Marina/Minorin/God. And for her and Kana-sama to round up a Monster Hunter gang so Mai-chan can go 100% tsun.
Ergh, but if Ayahime was Lily, then I don't want her to be Einhart. inb4 MIKI SHIN'ICHIRO FOR STRATOS.Can we have some numbers please?
I have yet to hear moar denial from the Anti-Force folks.34,545 Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha ViVid vol.1
vs.
56,613 Mahou Senki Lyrical Nanoha Force vol.1
But Vivid vol.1 has sold a total of 79,163 copies and the release date difference between the two volumes is really only four days, so.... Yeah, I only vaguely pay attention to Oricon's music ranking for certain people so I'm a little @__@ right now.
Ottocycle
2010-02-04, 10:33
@LVD: Suddenly the thought of Ishida or Kamiya as Erio seems pretty appealing. Keeps his the last vestiges of his boyishness pretty well.
And how about Sawashiro or Sakamoto as Isis? They can pretty much get anyone to do Lily at this point, lol.
And omgwut your seiyuu meta-material.
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With regards to the numbers, we might have to wait till next volume to have a proper gauge of anything, since people might be stalling on the Vivid buy to go on a Nanoha binge on their watching day. Or maybe just next week's stats to find out which one falls faster.
*Reads Force chapter 4/5*
..Damn, damn, DAMN!
This was GOOOOOD!
Okay, Veyron isn't an expy of Squall, he IS Squall. Minus the scar and with longer hair. And a dash of psychosis.
But, really, he's Squall.
I didn't notice it before, but that goggles-girl also has the Eclipse mark on her arm. Are the rest of the family also "infected" by Eclipse?
And it looks like Touma is about to become the first test subject/victim of the countermeasure "Zero Effect".
To be honest, I don't think there's a reason for them to change Erio's voice for Force/Vivid, but if they did, my bets would be on Ono Daisuke to do it.
I still stand by Wakamoto Norio for Kris. xD
prescience
2010-02-04, 12:46
...so Erio would sound like Rossa? That would be a little weird, IMO. Hardly without precedent, though.
Seconding Norio Wakamoto for Kris, though.
Bananoha
2010-02-04, 13:04
Huckebein mark looking like the mark of an infected person with Eclipse? Hmm.@LVD: Suddenly the thought of Ishida or Kamiya as Erio seems pretty appealing. Keeps his the last vestiges of his boyishness pretty well.
And how about Sawashiro or Sakamoto as Isis? They can pretty much get anyone to do Lily at this point, lol.
And omgwut your seiyuu meta-material.I keep thinking of Ishida using his granny voice. Kamiya is meh, starting to get tired of hearing him constantly. Funny when I hear Nakamura more.
Miyukichi can do anything, so yeah. I prefer my Sakamoto to be batshit insane, so unless Isis goes insane.... I want the person to voice Lily to have nice legs, so maybe Toma- Well, maybe the Sisters should be voiced by KitaEri. If anime has taught me one thing, it's that if KitaEri dies in the first two episodes, the anime will be awesome.
And wot meta-material. If Miyukichi is Isis, I'll think of Hayate no Nana and then cringe at adult Chrono. So jealous, so jealous....
Okay, so if Miki is Stratos, Miyano Mamoru can be Corona and Kamiya can go be Lio. Then Yoshino for Touma. www Kugyuu can come back and then we'll need FujiKei somewhere.
FujiKei is always good. FUJIKEI FOR KRIS.To be honest, I don't think there's a reason for them to change Erio's voice for Force/Vivid, but if they did, my bets would be on Ono Daisuke to do it.
I still stand by Wakamoto Norio for Kris. xDInoue Marina could do it again for Vivid, it's just weird. Have you seen Kampfer? Try picturing the voice of male Natsuru as Force Erio.... I mean, Chrono was already voiced by a guy at that age and Erio isn't girly like Yuuno, so I don't see why we should keep legs Inoue Marina. I really do love Marina, though. ( ._.)
And yeah, using the same seiyuu for a character with a bigger role is weird. I mean, the Numbers are exceptions, but I don't want Erio to sound like Kakera. ww
And Wakamoto fags everywhere. D:
And Wakamoto fags everywhere. D:
I suggest Kenji Utsumi (Raoh, Alex L. Armstrong)
Right after Force 4, I get Vivid 9 in Chinese. Some additional interesting trivia:
- This isn't Vivio and Corona's first trip to Lutecia's place. But it is Rio's. It's also this first time she's met Lutecia in person, though they communicated before.
- Kris' outer cover is a regular doll, it can't fly if it gets wet. And here I was thinking that Marie would be smart enough to make it out of Barrier Jacket material! A normal doll wouldn't last more than a few rounds of magic combat. EDIT: It's also confirmed that Kris can't talk because it had to communicate this to Nove by gestures.
- Einhart's fighting skills are completely self-taught.
Estavali
2010-02-04, 14:08
I suggest Kenji Utsumi (Raoh, Alex L. Armstrong)
^ THIS.
*thinks back to that hilariously silly voice-change part in Kiddy Girl-and episode 2 :D*
Right after Force 4, I get Vivid 9 in Chinese. Some additional interesting trivia:
- This isn't Vivio and Corona's first trip to Lutecia's place. But it is Rio's. It's also this first time she's met Lutecia in person, though they communicated before.
- Kris' outer cover is a regular doll, it can't fly if it gets wet. And here I was thinking that Marie would be smart enough to make it out of Barrier Jacket material! A normal doll wouldn't last more than a few rounds of magic combat.
- Einhart's fighting skills are completely self-taught.
Not sure if this was mentioned as well, Vivio actually began her martial arts studies under Subaru, who taught her some basics. What happened was that, one day, while she was training on her own, Nove happened to pass by and pointed out that she would injure herself with what she was doing then and there (like mother, like daughter, I fear...). Since then, Nove would teach Vivio whenever she's free, and ended up teaching Corona and Rio as well.
Looks like Nove has the makings of an Onee-sama as well =3
FlareKnight
2010-02-04, 14:40
Well can say I was surprised by the Touma Subaru connection mostly since I just jumped into the manga without much information a week ago. Though it makes sense since it gives a connection to the main group which can add to the drama and issues later. But wow Touma's really gotten himself into a mess here and has no clue what's going on. Luckily he managed to survive thanks to a bit of backup. Though clearly the more he uses the diver the worse it's going to be for him.
Also holy crap Erio is a giant :heh:. That's a pretty solid increase in height for the guy. Though obviously when time passes people do grow. Just kind of weird.
NorthernFallout
2010-02-04, 15:22
Finally read the translation of Force 4 and, well, awesome. I'm having bad foreboding feelings about Lily and Eclipse (although the end result will probably talk to what I like), but Veyron and the others got a further push on my list now that I know how they talk. So glad it will go monthly.
00-Raiser
2010-02-04, 16:02
Little late to the voice actor party, but back when the main Force trio was revealed, I had made the following predictions:
Touma: Nobuhiko Okamoto, but I can imagine Miyu Irino doing him too.
Lily: Mamiko Noto. It's about time she did something Nanoha related! Yuka Iguchi would also be nice.
Isis: Haruka Tomatsu. I won't accept any alternative! :heh:
Veyron being done by Yuichi Nakamura would be awesome, but Toshihiko or even Tomokazu Seki could be good too. Of course it would be cool if Nobuyuki Hiyama made his return to Nanoha.
Didn't give any thought to the Vivid cast, but I'd love to stick Yu Kobayashi in there somewhere :D
Bananoha
2010-02-04, 16:14
- Kris' outer cover is a regular doll, it can't fly if it gets wet. And here I was thinking that Marie would be smart enough to make it out of Barrier Jacket material! A normal doll wouldn't last more than a few rounds of magic combat. EDIT: It's also confirmed that Kris can't talk because it had to communicate this to Nove by gestures.It's a regular doll? I think that's the biggest wtf I've had in Vivid.
@00-Raiser
Seeing as I've seen pictures of Nobuhiko in a teddy bear suit and cross-dressing as a maid, I, uh, yeah not the greatest of memories.
I'm also probably the only person who hates hearing Mamio's voice in anime now, lol. Iguchi Yuka is cute though. Tomatsu Haruka is awsm too and I have no idea where KobaYu would fit with our current class of charac- She can be Aru from Force. w
Anyone but Hirano Aya for Isis, please.
00-Raiser
2010-02-04, 16:32
I'm also probably the only person who hates hearing Mamio's voice in anime now, lol. Iguchi Yuka is cute though. Tomatsu Haruka is awsm too and I have no idea where KobaYu would fit with our current class of charac- She can be Aru from Force. w
Anyone but Hirano Aya for Isis, please.
I know where you're coming from. There was a time when I too was sick of hearing Mamiko everywhere. However going through a few seasons without hearing her, I can tolerate her again. It was Super Robot Wars OG Saga Endless Frontier that marked her return to awesomeness for me. Her Suzuka voice is just so different from everything she's done before, I could hardly tell it was her!
What's wrong with Aya?
TheShinySword
2010-02-04, 16:41
OMIGOD GUYS DID YOU SEE IT!!! IN FORCE CHAPTER 4!!!!! ON PAGE 27!!! IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER!!!
You could see Zafira's head. And it was only slightly obscured. I am now content.
And he even has a little detailbox of his own.
@00-Raiser
Seeing as I've seen pictures of Nobuhiko in a teddy bear suit and cross-dressing as a maid, I, uh, yeah not the greatest of memories.
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Regarding Hiyama, I am just tired of hearing his fans raving like his voice is the end all be all of manliness. I prefer Akira Kamiya much more as far as veterans who starred in shounen are concerned. Him, and Nozomu Sasaki (Yusuke Urameshi, Johan and Mello) and (RIP) Kaneto Shiozawa.
Blank-Mage
2010-02-04, 20:20
So, having read t3h Force chapter, here are the questions I'm putting up for discussion:
1: Why is Vey so damn confident that Touma isn't going with the TSAB? Is he not aware of his connections with Subaru (and, by proxy, the entire main cast)? This is Nanoha and company we're talking about. The moment they learn about Touma's side of the story, he'll be Grade-A friend material! He's as eager to talk to them as they are to him, for once! And c'mon, the man is about as likely to suddenly go evil as he is to stab himself in the brain-meats. Unless...
2: Eclipse makes you evil, maybe? From what I've seen, Touma tends to lose control when he taps into the reactors power. (If I had to count the number of "with great power comes great emotional instability" moments in shounen manga... well, I'd be here a while.)
3: Lily looked like she was affected by Touma's fight. Or maybe that's just a coincidence? (I'm betting heavily that it's not.)
4: "Zero Effect". THAT sounds nifty! Counter-Eclipse tech? Wait, what would that do to Lily?
5: Nanoha is back. And someone, somewhere, sometime soon, is going to get hit with a Starlight Breaker. No, that's not a question. That is a fact. Now, I don't know who, or how long it'll be before she does it. But it's coming. Oh yes. It is coming. In a sense, it's already happened.
Discuss!
00-Raiser
2010-02-04, 20:38
So, having read t3h Force chapter, here are the questions I'm putting up for discussion:
1: Why is Vey so damn confident that Touma isn't going with the TSAB? Is he not aware of his connections with Subaru (and, by proxy, the entire main cast)? This is Nanoha and company we're talking about. The moment they learn about Touma's side of the story, he'll be Grade-A friend material! He's as eager to talk to them as they are to him, for once! And c'mon, the man is about as likely to suddenly go evil as he is to stab himself in the brain-meats. Unless...
2: Eclipse makes you evil, maybe? From what I've seen, Touma tends to lose control when he taps into the reactors power. (If I had to count the number of "with great power comes great emotional instability" moments in shounen manga... well, I'd be here a while.)
3: Lily looked like she was affected by Touma's fight. Or maybe that's just a coincidence? (I'm betting heavily that it's not.)
4: "Zero Effect". THAT sounds nifty! Counter-Eclipse tech? Wait, what would that do to Lily?
5: Nanoha is back. And someone, somewhere, sometime soon, is going to get hit with a Starlight Breaker. No, that's not a question. That is a fact. Now, I don't know who, or how long it'll be before she does it. But it's coming. Oh yes. It is coming. In a sense, it's already happened.
Discuss!
1 & 2: I think Veyron was so confident because if Touma does go back to the TSAB, they'll probably lock Touma away, probably even separate him from Lily to do experiments on her or what ever. Since Touma wants to know what happened to his home world, he can't do it from a prison cell so he'd escape to seek Veyron out for answers, even if he has to go against the TSAB to do it.
5: She probably won't pull it out until the final battle.
Oh, and Steed = Jun Fukuyama, definitely.
Bananoha
2010-02-04, 21:01
A baby Bakapard!?Regarding Hiyama, I am just tired of hearing his fans raving like his voice is the end all be all of manliness. I prefer Akira Kamiya much more as far as veterans who starred in shounen are concerned. Him, and Nozomu Sasaki (Yusuke Urameshi, Johan and Mello) and (RIP) Kaneto Shiozawa.Nobuyuki fan boys are something I haven't seen. The ones I met when I got his autograph were nice to me.... Maybe because they were like "Woah, a girl who knows he's done stuff other than Link." olol
Not familiar with a lot of the real vets as I haven't seen a lot of older anime, I'm afraid.
@Blank-Mage
1) I'm guessing that they're both people who're seeking revenge, so that's why Vey says "he's one of us". Or something.
2) Evil? Maybe, I keep thinking of the Mariage incident.
3) Yeah, the book thing made me go "wot is going on here".
4) Divide her by zero.
5) (/ω＼)ｷｬ
I'd like a moment of silence for RB's mind. Let's take this time to remember it as it was, before she read Vivid chapter 8.
RadiantBeam
2010-02-04, 21:07
*mind is currently too broken by Vivid chapter 8 to respond properly*
00-Raiser
2010-02-04, 21:20
Nobuyuki fan boys are something I haven't seen. The ones I met when I got his autograph were nice to me.... Maybe because they were like "Woah, a girl who knows he's done stuff other than Link."
Go to /m/
*mind is currently too broken by Vivid chapter 8 to respond properly*
It wasn't that bad, was it? :heh:
Lord Pertinax
2010-02-04, 21:21
*mind is currently too broken by Vivid chapter 8 to respond properly*
That's a good thing or a bad thing?
Blank-Mage
2010-02-04, 21:22
1 & 2: I think Veyron was so confident because if Touma does go back to the TSAB, they'll probably lock Touma away, probably even separate him from Lily to do experiments on her or what ever. Since Touma wants to know what happened to his home world, he can't do it from a prison cell so he'd escape to seek Veyron out for answers, even if he has to go against the TSAB to do it.
...which isn't likely, considering the cast of Nanoha. They're not people who go around experimenting on helpless(?) girls and locking away people with crazy death-artifacts. I think as soon as Touma gets a word off to Subaru, he'll have the entirety of Riot Force 6 on his side, no matter how infected he gets. If he DOES get locked up, it'll either be in a branch of the TSAB our core cast doesn't know about (although I'm certain that if they heard about anything unethical, Nanoha'd be the first to wipe it off the map), or it'll be incredibly out-of-character.
And wait, doesn't Lily have 'sad eyes'? Cause Nanoha will drop EVERYTHING to help her if she does.
RadiantBeam
2010-02-04, 21:23
It wasn't that bad, was it? :heh:
As a Lutecia fan... it was horrible. :heh: Thank God she goes back to her more reserved self when Vivio shows up.
That's a good thing or a bad thing?
Bad thing.
Lord Pertinax
2010-02-04, 21:33
As a Lutecia fan... it was horrible. :heh: Thank God she goes back to her more reserved self when Vivio shows up.
Bad thing.
well, sometimes is good to see a little bit of euforia, specialy when that euforia makes an other person feel bad.
It's a regular doll? I think that's the biggest wtf I've had in Vivid.
No, it's a regular doll wrapped around an Intelligent Device, as described back in ch1. Which still sounds like a bad design decision on Marie's part. The only way it's going to redeem itself now is if the outer shell is designed to be destroyed in combat to reveal its true combat form.
00-Raiser
2010-02-04, 21:59
No, it's a regular doll wrapped around an Intelligent Device, as described back in ch1. Which still sounds like a bad design decision on Marie's part. The only way it's going to redeem itself now is if the outer shell is designed to be destroyed in combat to reveal its true combat form.
... Do keep in mind it's a device designed for a 10 year old school girl :heh: Normally girls like her wouldn't be thrown into situations where they need a super tough device.
Normally.
Bananoha
2010-02-04, 22:03
Vivio? Normal? wot.No, it's a regular doll wrapped around an Intelligent Device, as described back in ch1. Which still sounds like a bad design decision on Marie's part. The only way it's going to redeem itself now is if the outer shell is designed to be destroyed in combat to reveal its true combat form.Yeah, I mean it's a big wtf because if it can't even get wet, that's sort of.... pathetic. So Vivio shouldn't even take the rittle guy into the bath with her unless she makes him some sort of waterproof outfit. Oh, the cosplay horrors.
And the latter part is making me there's a tiny muscular rabbit inside the outer cuter looking one............ (゜ロ゜)
Maaaa, I'll leave the GAR to Bardiche and the cute to Kris. Erokawa is for Sexy Dynamite Raising Heart-onee-san.
Murgatroyd
2010-02-04, 23:07
3: Lily looked like she was affected by Touma's fight. Or maybe that's just a coincidence? (I'm betting heavily that it's not.)
I'm betting that she is the "Reactor" that Veyron was demanding he hand over. Everyone who claims to know anything about her refers to her as a thing rather than a person.
Now, what I'm curious about is the "new equipment" that Nanoha is testing.
00-Raiser
2010-02-04, 23:26
I'm betting that she is the "Reactor" that Veyron was demanding he hand over. Everyone who claims to know anything about her refers to her as a thing rather than a person.
I don't think so. Veyron didn't even know Touma had Lily with him until he mentioned her, at which point Veyron figured she was a "Strosek" (Lily's last name).
RadiantBeam
2010-02-04, 23:28
I'm betting that she is the "Reactor" that Veyron was demanding he hand over. Everyone who claims to know anything about her refers to her as a thing rather than a person.
I think Veyron was referring more to the actual weapon Touma had with him at the time. He seemed surprised at first when Touma mentioned that he'd saved Lily. Of course, that still means she could be the "Reactor", but he might not know exactly what the Reactor looks like.
Force 4 is on Mangafox, but can someone PM me a download of it?
Lord Pertinax
2010-02-05, 00:06
Force is getting pretty good. Violence, I needed a little of it. So, it will be monthly now?
NorthernFallout
2010-02-05, 01:57
After 31st of March it's monthly. \o/
FlareKnight
2010-02-05, 04:34
...which isn't likely, considering the cast of Nanoha. They're not people who go around experimenting on helpless(?) girls and locking away people with crazy death-artifacts. I think as soon as Touma gets a word off to Subaru, he'll have the entirety of Riot Force 6 on his side, no matter how infected he gets. If he DOES get locked up, it'll either be in a branch of the TSAB our core cast doesn't know about (although I'm certain that if they heard about anything unethical, Nanoha'd be the first to wipe it off the map), or it'll be incredibly out-of-character.
And wait, doesn't Lily have 'sad eyes'? Cause Nanoha will drop EVERYTHING to help her if she does.Well to be fair Touma has been avoiding the authorities so far. Sure he plans on getting in touch with Subaru, but until then he is technically avoiding TSAB. From a stranger's perspective it wouldn't appear he has any connections with TSAB.
Besides that guy doesn't really know who Touma is. The fact that he's holding the Divider which isn't something you can legally walk around with would lead one to believe Touma will continue avoiding the authorities. Really it'd be weird if he did know about Touma's connections to TSAB. Since we are working from that guy's perspective he is likely just assuming Touma would avoid the authorities.
Let's just remember that Nanoha's 'help' usually involves a Starlight Breaker somewhere along the way. True they usually are fine in the end, but that's not something most people would line up for :heh:.
prescience
2010-02-05, 06:13
Now, what I'm curious about is the "new equipment" that Nanoha is testing.
Given that Erio mentioned Vita telling him about the "Zero Effect" Eclipse countermeasure, and Nanoha and Vita work together, I would assume it's that.
Force 4 is on Mangafox, but can someone PM me a download of it?
You can get it directly from the source here (http://raizoo.wordpress.com/2010/02/04/force-ch04/). No need for PMs; it's only raws that we aren't supposed to post here (unless the rules have changed all of a sudden...).
Murgatroyd
2010-02-05, 09:53
I think Veyron was referring more to the actual weapon Touma had with him at the time. He seemed surprised at first when Touma mentioned that he'd saved Lily. Of course, that still means she could be the "Reactor", but he might not know exactly what the Reactor looks like.
I read that less as surprise that he had saved her, and more as surprise that he thought of it as "saving" a person.
(I haven't read the translation. How was Veyron's line in the last panel of page 9 rendered?)
RadiantBeam
2010-02-05, 10:42
(I haven't read the translation. How was Veyron's line in the last panel of page 9 rendered?)
From the way I read it, he seemed surprised when he heard that the Reactor had been saved, which indicates to me that Veyron doesn't really know what the Reactor looks like. He definitely knows the name, since he called Lily "Strosek", but I don't think he knew exactly what form the Reactor took. He seemed to be more after Touma's weapon in hand before he heard about Lily.
Veyron's partner from Touma's flashback might be a "Strosek" as well, given that users of the Divider so far both have a accompanying figure with them.
Veyron's sis, Aru, has similar markings on her as Touma in this chapter so the Huckebein Family might very well have one more Divider user among them, if not being entirely compromised of such people. Hmm, Touma joining the family in the future perhaps? Would make for a nice conflict of interests pitting the protagonist against the old cast.
Would make for a nice conflict of interests pitting the protagonist against the old cast.
Darth Avenir: Subaru... I am your something-like-a-brother......
Subaru: No... no... It's not true! That's impossible!
Darth Avenir: Search your feelings you know it to be true.
Subaru: NOOOOOOOOOOOOooooo-huh?
Darth Avenir: Yea, I know. something-like-a-brother just doesn't have the impact of a punchline right?
Subaru: ... Yea. >.>
Lord Pertinax
2010-02-05, 15:57
After 31st of March it's monthly. \o/
Ahh....damn it.
So, thoughts on next Vivid? Isn't 9 supposed to be out and just not translated? I need something to torture myself with.
Considering how long it took the last chapter to get translated...
We probably won't see chapter 9 get translated until chapter 11 is finally released.
RadiantBeam
2010-02-09, 16:41
So, thoughts on next Vivid? Isn't 9 supposed to be out and just not translated? I need something to torture myself with.
It's out, yeah, just not translated. So you can look at the pretty images, but you have no clue what anyone is saying.
Bananoha
2010-02-09, 16:56
For the people who were fagging over Wakamoto before~ (http://d.hatena.ne.jp/video/niconico/sm9627587)Considering how long it took the last chapter to get translated...
We probably won't see chapter 9 get translated until chapter 11 is finally released.translating =/= putting the words to the images
ie - When we speedscan Force, TLer takes under an hour [lol he did ch01 in like 30 minutes] and then it takes me however long it takes me.
I don't think Winterbraid is that slow at translating. It's just the other side making it seem sluggish. Since he's pretty much said "anyone can go for it", it depends on whoever feels up to the task when he gets his translations out.
.... I'm assuming it'll be Shiny again since she did chapter eight, so it shouldn't be that long, right? 8)
TheShinySword
2010-02-09, 16:58
Wait there's a translation out for 9? someone wanna link me to it?
RadiantBeam
2010-02-09, 17:20
I don't think there's a translation yet, just the raws.
Bananoha
2010-02-11, 02:15
SAGE
yo sup guys (http://zss.scanlations.info/?p=244) - Next Movie1st chapter.
Don't know how you guys find Winterbraid's translations, so can't really help you there, Shiny. orz
SAGE
yo sup guys (http://zss.scanlations.info/?p=244) - Next Movie1st chapter.
Don't know how you guys find Winterbraid's translations, so can't really help you there, Shiny. orz
Oh wow, that ch. didn't take a slight drift from the original storyline, it's entirely different. Poor Fate.
The way that Nanoha and Fate never ended their battle, meaning Fate never lost to Nanoha -- I wonder if this manga is taking the novel route? After Fate and Nanoha finally become friends, they have one final battle. (In which Fate wins, resulting in Fate carrying Nanoha.)
*braces self for impending and predictable comments*
Bananoha
2010-02-11, 02:44
INCOMING EMOHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SNIP SNIPWoah, spoilers there! Well for the novel. ;A;
I knew they had a battle, but I didn't know that.... that.... We're not friends anymore, Killy.
INCOMING EMOHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Woah, spoilers there! Well for the novel. ;A;
I knew they had a battle, but I didn't know that.... that.... We're not friends anymore, Killy.
wait, u didn't? But I flaunted the image of that scene sew many times.:upset:
nicky_008
2010-02-11, 02:55
I pray it would be more novelize than the movie edition... XD
Err that was a weird chapter.
That was like the entire S1 up to ep12, in just 23 pages! That's even more condensed than the movie!
Blank-Mage
2010-02-11, 06:43
That was like the entire S1 up to ep12, in just 23 pages! That's even more condensed than the movie!
Yeah, which brings up the question: What the hell is the next chapter going to be about? Also:
I AM IN DESPAIR! THE LACK OF A TOUCHING NANO-FATE BRIDGE SCENE HAS LEFT ME IN DESPAIR!
The ending of season 1 redefined 'warm and fuzzy feeling' for me, and it's gone! Now Fate will never be happy! My world is crashing around me! Damn it Nanoha, get in there and BEFRIEND!
Dayyyymn! that wasn't something I had been expecting, wow.
Though, to be fair to the manga, they'd assume that since you're reading this, you probably watched S1, why rehash what you've already seen?
00-Raiser
2010-02-11, 09:34
So now we got
Triangle Hearts timeline
Nanoha TV timeline
Movie 1st timeline
Movie 1st manga timeline
If they were going to go a different route, I would have rather they do so from the get go like how the My HiME/Otome mangas have completely unique plots from their anime counterparts.
Technically speaking, the manga has been completely unique from the get-go. The first chapter wasn't all that alike the first season, and the second and third chapters were all Fate's backstory...Those are most likely elements to compliment the movie, but those scenes still aren't going to be animated within the movie.
And this could very well be the novel canon...I don't know how that goes exactly, though. Guess we'll find it if it ends up with Fate carrying Nanoha in her arms.:love:
Yeah, which brings up the question: What the hell is the next chapter going to be about? Also:
Nanoha: "I couldn't do anything to save her"
The next chapter will focus on 'saving' her, of course. At this point Nanoha may as well just sneak in a surprise kiss, I don't see a Starlight Breaker being what steals Fate's heart this time...
isagrimorie
2010-02-11, 10:08
Read the new chapter of the Movie 1st, now I'm really interested where this is going. Also, Fate killing the cat thing instead of just sealing it? Awesome. It immediately signifies how serious and deadly the hunt for the Jewel Seeds are (also opens up the possibility that in the hunt for other Lost Logia Fate might have resorted to deadly means) and I kind of like how in this version not everything can be solved by beating the other person into unconsciousness.
Nina.Wolken
2010-02-11, 10:13
This version of the story is too sad ,_,.
Nanoha failed, Fate is morally&physically broken and at this point they are both in despair. I wonder how those two will manage to recover ｡･ﾟ･(ﾉД｀)･ﾟ･｡ .
At this point Nanoha may as well just sneak in a surprise kiss, I don't see a Starlight Breaker being what steals Fate's heart this time...
That or RH will activate its hidden counselling program maybe? :uhoh:
Ofc, I'm all for a kiss too :]
Nightengale
2010-02-11, 10:39
This different interpretation and turn of events looks nice, but if Precia's really dead and gone, I'm fearing for whatever d.e.m of friendship Nanoha/RH can pull out to slap Fate out of her BSOD. Even through the most rose-tinted glasses in existence, no power of love will be sufficient in my opinion from how the whole breakdown was portrayed.
It was done well in the series, with Fate and Precia having a proper final connection, a last moment to be honest to each other. ( that Precia ultimately rejected anyway. ) But with her dying and leaving Fate with absolutely cruel words and nothing from Fate's side?
Also, Yuuno had magic compatibility problems with Earth?
NAW-97 fengshui not good for Scrya Clan mojo
Argent Solbright
2010-02-11, 12:30
WTF..?
I thought the chapter will be something about something about RH or yuno-nanoha first encounter from the title and the first page, but then...
Well, I wonder how is this gonna end.
Something seems odd about the Movie manga, doesn't it? We have sequence 0 that covers events before the start of the movie, yet the very first chapter of sequence 1 zips through the movie's event as a summary. At this rate, there should only be 1 or 2 chapters left to close the series. Why even bother with sequence 0, 1, thing?
isagrimorie
2010-02-11, 13:52
Something seems odd about the Movie manga, doesn't it? We have sequence 0 that covers events before the start of the movie, yet the very first chapter of sequence 1 zips through the movie's event as a summary. At this rate, there should only be 1 or 2 chapters left to close the series. Why even bother with sequence 0, 1, thing?
Maybe they're playing with time in this story? I mean... something along the lines of Anachronic Order (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AnachronicOrder) and with the plot going for a reset for the Movie 1st manga to 'correct' the timeline?
Needless to say, I need the next chapter. Now!:upset:
My guess is they really do plan on giving a final battle to Nanoha/Fate. After Fate recovers, of course.
Blank-Mage
2010-02-11, 14:28
Needless to say, I need the next chapter. Now!:upset:
My guess is they really do plan on giving a final battle to Nanoha/Fate. After Fate recovers, of course.
What would be the point in them fighting now? Ooh, here's a crazy tangent for you: What if Fate, driven by sadness, attempts to seize the Lost Logia, and finish what her mother started? THAT'D be a twist. I mean, it makes sense; Fate wants to change things back to how they were, and she knows the jewel seeds have the power to make it happen. What does she have to lose? Wow, that'd actually be a pretty awesome fan fiction.
A counter to my own wild theory is that Bardiche has evidently been destroyed, and I don't think the TSAB is just going to give her a new one. Either reports of Bardiche's death are greatly exaggerated, or we're not getting a rematch.
What would be the point in them fighting now? Ooh, here's a crazy tangent for you: What if Fate, driven by sadness, attempts to seize the Lost Logia, and finish what her mother started? THAT'D be a twist. I mean, it makes sense; Fate wants to change things back to how they were, and she knows the jewel seeds have the power to make it happen. What does she have to lose? Wow, that'd actually be a pretty awesome fan fiction.
A counter to my own wild theory is that Bardiche has evidently been destroyed, and I don't think the TSAB is just going to give her a new one. Either reports of Bardiche's death are greatly exaggerated, or we're not getting a rematch.
I have to say, that makes a disturbing amount of sense. Hmm, maybe Fate does end up using them, to go to wherever her mother is. IE, Fate "dies."
How does that affect Nanoha? Who turns to Yuuno to comfort her for not being able to really save the girl?
I have to say, that makes a disturbing amount of sense. Hmm, maybe Fate does end up using them, to go to wherever her mother is. IE, Fate "dies."
How does that affect Nanoha? Who turns to Yuuno to comfort her for not being able to really save the girl?
That would be interesting.
I wouldn't mind seeing it!
prescience
2010-02-11, 15:02
All I can say is... wow. I had next to no interest in this manga up until now, assuming it to be a fairly straightforward rehash of S1, but this really caught my attention.
If Bardiche really is dead ( ;_; ), then there wouldn't be any reason for Nanoha and Fate to fight again, so no befriending. But I seriously doubt 7arcs would change the winning formula that drastically... it would be pretty unlikely for them to have Fate no longer be a mage, with her being such a fan favorite. So I'm betting on one of the following:
a) Bardiche wasn't really destroyed (either via some complicated in-story reason, or maybe just because the original Japanese was ambiguous?)
b) Fate gets a new device
But I would be quite happy if the story were to pull another big twist. I like unpredictability...
Needless to say, I need the next chapter. Now!
QFFT
What would be the point in them fighting now? Ooh, here's a crazy tangent for you: What if Fate, driven by sadness, attempts to seize the Lost Logia, and finish what her mother started? THAT'D be a twist. I mean, it makes sense; Fate wants to change things back to how they were, and she knows the jewel seeds have the power to make it happen. What does she have to lose? Wow, that'd actually be a pretty awesome fan fiction.
A counter to my own wild theory is that Bardiche has evidently been destroyed, and I don't think the TSAB is just going to give her a new one. Either reports of Bardiche's death are greatly exaggerated, or we're not getting a rematch.
uh, I wasn't referring to that... ;-;
I was referring more to the novel route. I don't know the specifics, but Nanoha and Fate fight once more (They called it the "real" final battle) after they become friends and before Fate departs to her trial on the Asura. It's more of a friendly battle where they still give it their all. It ended with Fate defeating Nanoha, or I think that's how Nanoha ended up in Fate's arms...How Fate recovers though, I don't know.
I don't think they're going to drift so far off course that Fate tries to take matters into her own hands and loses herself similar to how Precia lost it. Sure, the manga is becoming increasingly more dramatic than the series, but if the manga took that route...I'd be highly surprised.
On a side note - Bardiche may be destroyed, but I'm not sure if they were referring to it being incapable of reconstruction. Similar to how Fate's device broke after she dropped it while Precia was telling her who she really was...It shattered, but it reconstructed without a problem.
I don't think they're going to drift so far off course that Fate tries to take matters into her own hands and loses herself similar to how Precia lost it. Sure, the manga is becoming increasingly more dramatic than the series, but if the manga took that route...I'd be highly surprised.
Why not? They certainly haven't been afraid to spike the drama wherever they could up to this point before, having Fate go over to the dark side would fall in line with the current mood of the manga just fine.
It'd also answer one of the biggest 'what if?' questions the fandom has had up to this point.
Why not? They certainly haven't been afraid to spike the drama wherever they could up to this point before, having Fate go over to the dark side would fall in line with the current mood of the manga just fine.
It'd also answer one of the biggest 'what if?' questions the fandom has had up to this point.
...I just don't see it happening.
May as well call it "Magical Girl Lyrical Despair" at that point.
But we will see.
Which is what we've been saying since the first chapter. Ironic how the sides have switched. :heh:
Which is what we've been saying since the first chapter. Ironic how the sides have switched. :heh:
They've only switched if it truly happens!
But increasing the drama and turning Fate into Precia v.2 are worlds apart in terms of craziness.
prescience
2010-02-11, 15:29
I don't think it would be much of a departure to have Fate go over to the dark side and then eventually be befriended by Nanoha. Having her go over to the dark side and then die is a different matter altogether, though. That I certainly don't see happening.
On a lighter note, I'm sure everyone's favourite blue-haired enforcer is disappointed that his SUPA KURONO TAIMU moment got marginalized... :p
But increasing the drama and turning Fate into Precia v.2 are worlds apart in terms of craziness.
And that's why the tables have turned, right now I'm the one saying 'well, it's a logical turn of events considering the plot' and you're the one saying 'this is crazy!' :p
On a lighter note, I'm sure everyone's favourite blue-haired enforcer is disappointed that his SUPA KURONO TAIMU moment got marginalized... :p
He's not down for the count yet, who knows what the next chapters bring?
Rising Dragon
2010-02-11, 15:38
I don't think it would be much of a departure to have Fate go over to the dark side and then eventually be befriended by Nanoha. Having her go over to the dark side and then die is a different matter altogether, though. That I certainly don't see happening.
On a lighter note, I'm sure everyone's favourite blue-haired enforcer is disappointed that his SUPA KURONO TAIMU moment got marginalized... :p
:V
Who is this blue-haired enforcer you speak of?
/sarcasm
And that's why the tables have turned, right now I'm the one saying 'well, it's a logical turn of events considering the plot' and you're the one saying 'this is crazy!' :p
He's not down for the count yet, who knows what the next chapters bring?
It is crazy...because...because...
Aside from the fact it shoots Fate's character full of holes. It all made sense to me when she worked for her mothers sake, but collecting Jewel Shards for the sake of an impossible goal...My rational thinking Fate. ;_:
I personally don't think that's the only route to take. It would be a valid one, if I didn't think it would be totally OOC for Fate, but the manga can still tell the story in a way where that doesn't happen. I guess we will know in 20 or so days.
prescience
2010-02-11, 15:47
Well, it would make sense (to me at least) if she were to try to use the Jewel Seeds to resurrect Precia. I wouldn't find that remotely OOC...
And I don't think anyone's arguing that it's the only way the story could go. Just a possibility.
May as well call it "Magical Girl Lyrical Despair" at that point.
Which is what we've been saying since the first chapter. Ironic how the sides have switched. :heh:
I'm sorry, but I'm laughing my ass off. People who didn't like the changes to Emoha had their concerns brushed aside by people like you, Demi. And now when there's the chance that Fate will go darker as well... you find yourself in the exact same position.
So, to complete the circle, I'll put myself in your place:
Fate going dark isn't unbelievable and would actually add more to the story! People may decry it, but it actually makes sense, because Fate was rather dark in the original, too. This is just exploring her character more!
Amusingly enough, if they can pull off a good Dark Fate, it may just save this manga in my eyes, despite Emoha (which I can ignore if it's something they never really address again). I'd love to see a real AU that does actually change events significantly.
I mean no real malice by this, just trying to showcase the other side, now that you see it. :P
I'm sorry, but I'm laughing my ass off. People who didn't like the changes to Emoha had their concerns brushed aside by people like you, Demi. And now when there's the chance that Fate will go darker as well... you find yourself in the exact same position.
So, to complete the circle, I'll put myself in your place:
Fate going dark isn't unbelievable and would actually add more to the story! People may decry it, but it actually makes sense, because Fate was rather dark in the original, too. This is just exploring her character more!
Amusingly enough, if they can pull off a good Dark Fate, it may just save this manga in my eyes, despite Emoha (which I can ignore if it's something they never really address again). I'd love to see a real AU that does actually change events significantly.
I mean no real malice by this, just trying to showcase the other side, now that you see it. :P
You guys are gloating before it even happens, sheesh. It was only a possibility that Blackmage brought up, which I don't think is going to happen.
Well, it would make sense (to me at least) if she were to try to use the Jewel Seeds to resurrect Precia. I wouldn't find that remotely OOC...
Fate wanting to resurrect Precia isn't OOC. Fate thinking she can be resurrected however...surely is.
prescience
2010-02-11, 16:00
Fate wanting to resurrect Precia isn't OOC. Fate thinking she can be resurrected however...surely is.
Really? How so? True, Chrono does say (in A's) that even the technology of Al Hazred (or however the frak you spell it) can't bring back the dead, but Precia seemed to think it worth a try, and Fate could well end up clinging to faith in her mother given her emotional state. IMO it would be more OOC to expect her to act logically after what she's been through...
EDIT: In any case, it's entirely possible that Fate simply doesn't know that it is impossible. I hardly think Precia had Linith keep Fate up to date on her research, and it doesn't seem like she's having much social interaction with anyone at this point.
You guys are gloating before it even happens, sheesh. It was only a possibility that Blackmage brought up, which I don't think is going to happen.
I'm not 'gloating' at the event, or even it's possibility which I will agree is still up in the air, I'm amused at how both of our opinions are now at opposite sides concerning the idea.
I don't really care much for Fate, but I'm interested in seeing her dark. On the other hand, I do like Nanoha, and seeing her... well... so emotionally unstable is something I don't really like.
On the flipside, we have you. Though I don't know how you feel about Nanoha, it's not really a secret that you really like Fate, and you don't like the idea of her going dark.
Just goes to show that how we feel about a character can greatly influence how we feel about an element of the story.
Really? How so? True, Chrono does say (in A's) that even the technology of Al Hazred (or however the frak you spell it) can't bring back the dead, but Precia seemed to think it worth a try, and Fate could well end up clinging to faith in her mother given her emotional state. IMO it would be more OOC to expect her to act logically after what she's been through...
I don't expect her to act logically per se, but she's always been quick to recover. True, this scenario is worse than what happened in the original series, but all it took then was a few words from Arf, and she was back on her feet in no time.
I'm not 'gloating' at the event, or even it's possibility which I will agree is still up in the air, I'm amused at how both of our opinions are now at opposite sides concerning the idea.
I don't really care much for Fate, but I'm interested in seeing her dark. On the other hand, I do like Nanoha, and seeing her... well... so emotionally unstable is something I don't really like.
On the flipside, we have you. Though I don't know how you feel about Nanoha, it's not really a secret that you really like Fate, and you don't like the idea of her going dark.
Just goes to show that how we feel about a character can greatly influence how we feel about an element of the story.
I don't really see the connection. In the event what is being speculated actually happens...I'm certainly not going to start calling Fate illogical. I won't like it, but I'm not going to continuously bring it up once it happens. I'll more than likely try to forget it and not bring it up ever again. The Emoha was recurring constantly and was wearing away at my ability to ignore it.
And for the record, I like Nanoha very much.
Blank-Mage
2010-02-11, 16:12
You guys are gloating before it even happens, sheesh. It was only a possibility that Blackmage brought up, which I don't think is going to happen.
Who's Blackmage? :eyebrow:
Fate wanting to resurrect Precia isn't OOC. Fate thinking she can be resurrected however...surely is.
Fate isn't thinking rationally; she just had her entire reason for living crushed in the saddest way possible. Essentially, she has no reason to value her life. Before, Nanoha gave her one, but in this iteration, that isn't the case. What she does without that support is anyone's guess, and throwing logic to the winds and trying to bring back Precia (although I would think she would try to bring back Alicia rather than Precia,) is certainly something she might try.
For my part as a massive Fate fan, I would love to see this, provided she lives through it. Loneliness comprises most of Fate's motivation in season 1; so seeing her in true despair would be excellent character development. (And it makes the befriending all the sweeter.)
I don't expect her to act logically per se, but she's always been quick to recover. True, this scenario is worse than what happened in the original series, but all it took then was a few words from Arf, and she was back on her feet in no time.
I always thought that actually belittled the trauma Fate had just suffered through. I mean, seriously, a little pep talk was all she needed to get through a shock-induced coma?
RadiantBeam
2010-02-11, 16:15
So wait, the manga titled Movie manga is going to be an AU of the already AU movie that it was based off of? What the hell kind of logic is that? Why did they call it the Movie manga if it's different from the movie? They should have given it an entirely different name, or at least not named it after the movie. Bad move, IMO.
Blank-Mage
2010-02-11, 16:19
So wait, the manga titled Movie manga is going to be an AU of the already AU movie that it was based off of?
MY BWAIN! :twitch:
I don't really see the connection. In the event what is being speculated actually happens...I'm certainly not going to start calling Fate illogical. I won't like it, but I'm not going to continuously bring it up once it happens. I'll more than likely try to forget it and not bring it up ever again. The Emoha was recurring constantly and was wearing away at my ability to ignore it.
The connection is simple, Emoha was a changed some didn't like but you thought was logical, DarkFate is a (possible) change that some don't like, but I think is logical.
As for the later part of your post, if you had chosen to ignore it, it would not nearly have been as big as it turned out to be. It would just have been a few random comments.
So wait, the manga titled Movie manga is going to be an AU of the already AU movie that it was based off of? What the hell kind of logic is that? Why did they call it the Movie manga if it's different from the movie? They should have given it an entirely different name, or at least not named it after the movie. Bad move, IMO.
Marketing. That's the only reason, getting the people who've watched the movie to buy the manga.
Who's Blackmage? :eyebrow:
Fate isn't thinking rationally; she just had her entire reason for living crushed in the saddest way possible. Essentially, she has no reason to value her life. Before, Nanoha gave her one, but in this iteration, that isn't the case. What she does without that support is anyone's guess, and throwing logic to the winds and trying to bring back Precia (although I would think she would try to bring back Alicia rather than Precia,) is certainly something she might try.
For my part as a massive Fate fan, I would love to see this, provided she lives through it. Loneliness comprises most of Fate's motivation in season 1; so seeing her in true despair would be excellent character development. (And it makes the befriending all the sweeter.)
Sorry, Blank-Mage!
Well, Fate has every right to act that way considering what she's been through...I just hope it doesn't come to that. And if it does, my main concern is that she doesn't act with total disregard for other human life. "dark" isn't so bad in the lighter sense of the word, but her despair turns her outright "evil" I'll be the one despairing.
The connection is simple, Emoha was a changed some didn't like but you thought was logical, DarkFate is a (possible) change that some don't like, but I think is logical.
As for the later part of your post, if you had chosen to ignore it, it would not nearly have been as big as it turned out to be. It would just have been a few random comments.
It was brought up several times. Most notably in a certain movie thread where the debate spawned from an image of Nanoha acting completely like her Canon self. And that was a clear indication this "Emoha" was getting out of hand.
RadiantBeam
2010-02-11, 16:25
It was brought up several times. Most notably in a certain movie thread where the debate spawned from an image of Nanoha acting completely like her Canon self. And that was a clear indication this "Emoha" was getting out of hand.
So Nanoha screaming to the heavens with tears running down her face is perfectly canon and IC, but the possibility that Fate might end up going dark in an attempt to revive Precia from the dead isn't? Interesting.
That was a really quick recap of a good part of the original season; didn't expect that. The damage they received were from each other after all and Fate's expression in every page was mesmerizing. Now we should see Fate being reborn in the next chapter.
So Nanoha screaming to the heavens with tears running down her face is perfectly canon and IC, but the possibility that Fate might end up going dark in an attempt to revive Precia from the dead isn't? Interesting.
I never said that scene was IC, but it was brought up repeatedly. And then it became such a fad that so much as an image of her with tears in her eyes, and sure enough, some one would slap her with the Emoha label.
That was a really quick recap of a good part of the original season; didn't expect that. The damage they received were NOT from each other after all and Fate's expression in every page was mesmerizing. Now we should see Fate being reborn in the next chapter.
Fixed for you. Aside from the first time Nanoha lost to Fate. But the damage Fate received, and the second time Nanoha was injured - All Precia's doing.
RadiantBeam
2010-02-11, 16:33
I never said that scene was IC, but it was brought up repeatedly. And then it became such a fad that so much as an image of her with tears in her eyes, and sure enough, some one would slap her with the Emoha label.
But if you think about it, in contrast, Dark Fate makes much more sense character wise and story wise than Emoha ever did. Fate has literally lost everything at this point and been completely broken and beaten; the idea of her going evil in an attempt to finish what Precia started and regain everything she's lost makes logical sense, and actually, IMO, would be a very interesting story. Adds a whole new spin to Nanoha's "save her" urge.
prescience
2010-02-11, 16:38
I agree wholeheartedly. And it seems a bit frivolous to worry about an emotionally broken 9-year-old (or are they 10 in this continuity?) being reckless and irresponsible. Fate isn't perfect; flaws are part of what makes a character interesting...
But if you think about it, in contrast, Dark Fate makes much more sense character wise and story wise than Emoha ever did. Fate has literally lost everything at this point and been completely broken and beaten; the idea of her going evil in an attempt to finish what Precia started and regain everything she's lost makes logical sense, and actually, IMO, would be a very interesting story. Adds a whole new spin to Nanoha's "save her" urge.
I don't see Fate as evil, even if pushed to extremes. As such, it doesn't compute for me. But like I said, in the event it happens, I'm not going to whine about it. In-fact, I may just drop on over to my local brain surgeon and have him remove some "unwanted" memories.:uhoh:
@prescience: Reckless? Irresonsible? Sure, makes sense. Evil however, does not. And that's all I'm saying.
RadiantBeam
2010-02-11, 16:45
Actually, reading through the manga, it seems like they cast Fate in a much darker light right from the beginning compared to how she was in the original anime. Certainly an interesting change.
She did have those backstory elements, where she was anything but...dark.
She was portrayed a bit darker after that, though her first confrontation ended the same way as it did in the series. Fate wins, followed by an "I'm sorry"
prescience
2010-02-11, 16:50
@Demi: So you refuse to contemplate the possibility of Fate being evil, a priori? I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. And FTR, I do rather like Fate.
@RadiantBeam: I don't think I'd agree with "right from the beginning"; the first chapter had only a few frames of her, and chapters 2 and 3 seemed to show her as all "cute and innocent". But this chapter is definitely much darker even before Precia dies. She killed the cat...
RadiantBeam
2010-02-11, 16:52
Sorry, Dem, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this topic. Fate might have the same backstory, but her actions in the manga are much darker than her actions in the anime and IMO, if she pulls a Face Heel Turn, it'll be perfectly believable with how they've developed her at this point. Personally, I want to see that; the movie already had its happy ending, I want to see what happens when Nanoha and Fate never form that bond.
I don't see Fate as evil, even if pushed to extremes. As such, it doesn't compute for me. But like I said, in the event it happens, I'm not going to whine about it. In-fact, I may just drop on over to my local brain surgeon and have him remove some "unwanted" memories.:uhoh:
@prescience: Reckless? Irresonsible? Sure, makes sense. Evil however, does not. And that's all I'm saying.
It's interesting... so, no matter what Fate does, she can't possibly be evil? She's been more vicious and uncaring in the movie manga, and while you can say that it was largely a result of Precia, she's going above and beyond what she did in the series.
To me, seeing this Fate go evil is a good possibility. She was already mostly uncaring, with Precia being the only thing she cared about, and now it's gone. This is what the movie should have been: different events leading to different circumstances.
Fate may of killed the cat, but at the same time - she might not of.
Fate was full of blood while Precia was whipping her.(She had no blood from the whiping in the series) The same can be said about the cat. Though it did look like it was in bad shape...
I want to see what happens when Nanoha and Fate never form that bond.
I can't say much about what is going to happen in the next chapter, but Nanoha and Fate will no doubt form that bond in the end. That much I'm sure of.
To me, seeing this Fate go evil is a good possibility. She was already mostly uncaring, with Precia being the only thing she cared about, and now it's gone. This is what the movie should have been: different events leading to different circumstances.
She cared enough to not kill. Nanoha was a large thorn in her goals, and one that could have been removed if Fate really wanted. And she really didn't go above and beyond. The same events happened, you can argue the cat died...but it wasn't specifically stated. There was blood, which is quite common in this manga.
And she certainly cares about Arf.
RadiantBeam
2010-02-11, 16:58
I can't say much about what is going to happen in the next chapter, but Nanoha and Fate will no doubt form that bond in the end. That much I'm sure of.
And do you have any definite proof of that? The manga is already vastly AU from even the movie; what's to say it won't be a Bad End where Nanoha doesn't save Fate, or even if she does, they never trust each other like they did in the original? What's so bad about that?
I can't say much about what is going to happen in the next chapter, but Nanoha and Fate will no doubt form that bond in the end. That much I'm sure of.
Different events lead to different circumstances. If everything ended up the same at the end, it would kinda destroy any semblance of credibility to the AU. Seeing a universe with a darker Fate AND Nanoha (who is also less naive), would be an interesting twist.
These are the differences that make this worth watching again.
And it was a dog, not a cat; they were at the shrine where Nanoha fought the dog in ep2 in the TV series.
She cared enough to not kill. Nanoha was a large thorn in her goals, and one that could have been removed if Fate really wanted. And she really didn't go above and beyond. The same events happened, you can argue the cat died...but it wasn't specifically stated. There was blood, which is quite common in this manga.
Regardless of killing, Fate *is* darker here. And she appeared to pretty much abandon Arf.
NorthernFallout
2010-02-11, 17:01
Beating the horse, 24/7. Seriously, rename the whole thread to "Fate Manga Character Discussion", because it's the same **** over and over and over and over again with the exact same arguments and neither side backing down. For the love of god, just let it be. Or take it to PM, VM or whatever.
On a totally different note, I crave more eyepatch girl from Force. Her design is wieee.
Different events lead to different circumstances. If everything ended up the same at the end, it would kinda destroy any semblance of credibility to the AU. Seeing a universe with a darker Fate AND Nanoha (who is also less naive), would be an interesting twist.
These are the differences that make this worth watching again.
And it was a dog, not a cat; they were at the shrine where Nanoha fought the dog in ep2 in the TV series.
Regardless of killing, Fate *is* darker here. And she appeared to pretty much abandon Arf.
I understand different events lead to different circumstances, however, this is still "Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha" I can say without any doubt in my mind, they will form a bond in the end. I have no proof, but the proof will be there when the right chapter calls for it. The final page of this chapter even hints of it.
And she appeared to pretty much abandon Arf
In the series, Precia told Fate that Arf abandoned her. They cant detail everything when they're retelling a whole 13episodes within a single chapter.
I understand different events lead to different circumstances, however, this is still "Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha" I can say without any doubt in my mind, they will form a bond in the end. I have no proof, but the proof will be there when the right chapter calls for it.
Homer: The turkey is just a bit dirty, it's still good! It's still good!
*turkey lands in water*
Homer: It's just a little wet, it's still good! it's still good!
*turkey gets clogged in drain, then gets shot into the air by pressure*
Homer: It's just a little airborne, it's still good! It's-
Bart: It's gone, Homer.
Homer: *sadly* I know...
RadiantBeam
2010-02-11, 17:09
Well, in an attempt to get on-topic and drop the dead horse, any guesses for chapter 6? Seems Nanoha's suffering a Heroic BSOD for failing Fate, and Fate's in a comatose state judging by her eyes.
prescience
2010-02-11, 17:10
I can say without any doubt in my mind
Well then there's no point in pursuing this discussion anymore, I guess.
For the love of god, just let it be.
Motion seconded.
On a totally different note, I crave more eyepatch girl from Force. Her design is wieee.
Seconding this motion too. Amazing how a character can generate so much interest from just half a frame and one line...
Homer: The turkey is just a bit dirty, it's still good! It's still good!
*turkey lands in water*
Homer: It's just a little wet, it's still good! it's still good!
*turkey gets clogged in drain, then gets shot into the air by pressure*
Homer: It's just a little airborne, it's still good! It's-
Bart: It's gone, Homer.
Homer: *sadly* I know...
There is also Liniths words. Linith told Arf to look after Fate because "I know that one day Fate will be able to smile from the bottom of heart." The movie manga isn't going to disregard that.
Anyways, I'm done. You can see the revelation to the end of this manga for yourself when it happens...
Fate may of killed the cat, but at the same time - she might not of.
Fate was full of blood while Precia was whipping her.(She had no blood from the whiping in the series) The same can be said about the cat. Though it did look like it was in bad shape...
Err... I know Fate being evil is something you just don't see in her, but this is grasping at straws in trying to excuse her acts. Generally, when the amount of blood loss reached 'pooled to the ground and pouring down stairs' level, we are talking about dead people. Or dogs. Cats. Whatever that is.
Yeah, guys, let's stop talking about one aspect of one manga, and do what the thread was meant to: talk about another aspect from one of the other manga. :P
But I'm willing to drop this line of conversation. I think we have speculated enough. Next chapter of movie manga will make or break it for me. The initial chapters made me go "meh, more of the same, but with no reason for the personality changes" while this made me go "oho, actual event changes that make for some real personality changes and a chance to go somewhere it hasn't before."
NorthernFallout
2010-02-11, 17:17
Seconding this motion too. Amazing how a character can generate so much interest from just half a frame and one line...
I have an eyepatch fetish myself so that's my excuse... Still, the whoel Veyron crew is on "want moar info" status.
RadiantBeam
2010-02-11, 17:18
I'm not against the thought of Nanoha saving Fate as long as they find a way to do it believably, considering the recent turn of events. Here's hoping Yuuno might have a larger role in the manga, since Nanoha is clearly going to get some support to get her confidence back after feeling like she's failed Fate so badly... unless she turns to Arisa and Suzuka for that, which hey, I won't mind either. Any of those three getting more development is awesome, in my book.
prescience
2010-02-11, 17:22
I'd put my money on Arisa, for no particular reason. Also, I expect Arf will hear of her mistress's predicament somehow, and spend a while deliberating over what to do before revealing herself to Nanoha.
@AtomicoX: I kinda saw her and thought "OMG Signum + Cinque = WIN" :p But yeah, the whole Hückebein crew have me craving more info (or even just more pictures) at this point...
* desperately trying to avoid going off topic talking about eyepatched girls in other shows... *
00-Raiser
2010-02-11, 17:33
Tsk, as always I'm late to the party. Well, I'm gonna say my piece anyways. Don't feel you need to respond to it =/
So, Fate evil? Meh, that's a subjective term. I do see Fate as more of an "end justifies the means" type. Killing that animal was just a means to get the Jewel Seed, and while she may be a bit remorseful, she won't linger on it. She did apologise to Nanoha for beating her up, though (but you know people: killing ferocious animals is fine, but killing humans? That's a big no no!)
Anyways, in regard to what may happen next. Fate trying to revive Precia is a tad silly, but there's another way that I think is more sensical. It's good old Freud I turn to and propose the application of two basic defense mechanisms: repression and denial.
Fate eventually comes to, but she doesn't remember Precia discarding her and dying. As such, Fate continues her task in getting the Jewel Seeds for her mother. Bardiche could probably repair himself like he did in the original, and Fate will escape. Nanoha learns of this and decides to go after her, they have their fight and Nanoha has to Starlight Breaker Fate upside the head to make her face reality. Fate might say something like she has nothing or whatever, but Nanoha would say that's wrong and that she has her.
Then Nanoha and Fate would go back to her place and have a hot threesome with Yuuno And they lived happily ever after.
Blank-Mage
2010-02-11, 17:33
I feel somewhat responsible for starting this...
prescience
2010-02-11, 17:40
Fate eventually comes to, but she doesn't remember Precia discarding her and dying. As such, Fate continues her task in getting the Jewel Seeds for her mother. Bardiche could probably repair himself like he did in the original, and Fate will escape. Nanoha learns of this and decides to go after her, they have their fight and Nanoha has to Starlight Breaker Fate upside the head to make her face reality. Fate might say something like she has nothing or whatever, but Nanoha would say that's wrong and that she has her.
But... but... but... but I wanted something complicated and convoluted and completely unexpected! Why do you have to go and start saying sensible things like this? :heh:
RadiantBeam
2010-02-11, 17:41
...
Way to kill my dream, Raiser. D': And here I was hoping we'd see a darker, more mature, more likely to strike first Nanoha as a result of failing to reach Fate!
00-Raiser
2010-02-11, 17:42
But... but... but... but I wanted something complicated and convoluted and completely unexpected! Why do you have to go and start saying sensible things like this? :heh:
I can't help it! I'm a psychologist (in training) :heh:
EDIT: Seems some one takes issue with my mention of Yuuno in my above post. It was a joke, pal, lighten up!
NorthernFallout
2010-02-11, 17:47
@AtomicoX: I kinda saw her and thought "OMG Signum + Cinque = WIN" :p ... Oh God. The mental images is too badass to comprehend.
RadiantBeam
2010-02-11, 17:47
Well, it's still up in the air as to what could happen. :heh: So I wouldn't start worrying about it yet. Next chapter will more or less decide in what direction the manga will head.
Heh double standards on biased perspectives? What are you talking about.
More on topic
I want to believe that since the "bond" didnt form, Fate doesnt join the TSAB and actually escapes and things go calm, for Nanoha at least ´till the A´s plot happens, where Nanoha, Yuuno and Chrono try to stop the wolken, and things happen and is pretty much resolved the same way. Meanwhile Fate is found by Jail and offered/conviced to work for him and so things happen and ten years pass in which the accident of Nanoha happened but, unlike certain other source, she made it and can walk like a normal person and the like. Oh and Riot Force exists as it is in canon but without Erio, and Caro was adopted or the like by Nanoha who got reminded of the blonde that she met and well like that. And there is no Zest, but there is Fate plus Lutecia, Erio and Agito.
So things go their natural way ´till somehow Fate and Laith find their way in that universe and... i am ranting the ideas i have for fics.
So yeah unlikely in canon but that is why fanfiction exists~
I feel somewhat responsible for starting this...
Bah, if you hadn't, I would've. Manga thread needed some life anyway.
@AtomicoX: I kinda saw her and thought "OMG Signum + Cinque = WIN" :p But yeah, the whole Hückebein crew have me craving more info (or even just more pictures) at this point...
I see more Reinforce than Signum in eyepatch. Probably my Reinforce nostalgia talking, but her hairstyle and eyes...
Goggles is my favorite though. Spunky attitude, long hair, rough jacket, midriff and of course goggles to seal the deal. I needs more art of her.
prescience
2010-02-11, 18:07
I see more Reinforce than Signum in eyepatch. Probably my Reinforce nostalgia talking, but her hairstyle and eyes...
True. I had Signum on my mind from two pages before, and I haven't watched A's in a while. It's not because I have an obsession, honest... :p
Blank-Mage
2010-02-11, 18:07
Well, it's still up in the air as to what could happen. :heh: So I wouldn't start worrying about it yet. Next chapter will more or less decide in what direction the manga will head.
I've got my fingers crossed that I'm right, not to sound self-centered, I'd just love to see a darker (but not evil) Fate with nothing left to lose. As for what's likely, the "Will RH be a guiding light" bit sounds like it might actually be nothing more than a simple counseling session between Nanoha and Fate, which would be the most anti-climactic chapter ever.
Laith, that is the craziest idea I've heard here. And why does Caro get adopted, but Erio gets shafted? That's just not fair at all. And you'll sink the S.S. Cario! (Stretched analogy is stretched.)
Getting the hell away from that topic, though, Force! I can't make decisions on what characters I do or don't like on looks alone, so I reserve judgment on Vey's buddies. Any time spent with the core cast is time I enjoy, though.
NorthernFallout
2010-02-11, 18:09
I see more Reinforce than Signum in eyepatch. Probably my Reinforce nostalgia talking, but her hairstyle and eyes...Hmm, quite agreed now that you mentioned it. She does have more of a resemblance there...
Laith, that is the craziest idea I've heard here.
Sank you, sank you heh heh
And why does Caro get adopted, but Erio gets shafted? That's just not fair at all. And you'll sink the S.S. Cario! (Stretched analogy is stretched.)
´cause Fate didn´t want anyone else to suffer like she did ya see, so she pretty much kidnapped Erio. Also the Luterio ship calls me~
More on topic, although expecting Force, i am more excited about Vivid, ´cause it seems that the next chapter has more backstory about belka, and it finally will get a little bit more serious. Could be completely wrong on that though.
Lyrical Drop 6th from Newtype 2010 March issue
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/nanoha/magazine/newtype/th_Lyricaldrop006.jpg (http://s264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/nanoha/magazine/newtype/Lyricaldrop006.jpg)
This column expired in this issue.The final topic is ... he recalls his all anime works.
Does he consider making another nanoha animated series?
cow is dried. like chinese foodstuffs.
RadiantBeam
2010-02-13, 10:50
Hmm, why do I feel like the column was short lived?
TheShinySword
2010-02-13, 11:14
Lyrical Drop 6th from Newtype 2010 March issue
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/nanoha/magazine/newtype/th_Lyricaldrop006.jpg (http://s264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/nanoha/magazine/newtype/Lyricaldrop006.jpg)
This column expired in this issue.The final topic is ... he recalls his all anime works.
Pity, I liked all the accompanying art even if I didn't care about what he was actually writing XD
Hmm, why do I feel like the column was short lived?
Well iirc Newtype columns rotate around and switch out all the time, so it just finished its run pretty much.
Ottocycle
2010-02-13, 11:37
Hmm, why do I feel like the column was short lived?
Well iirc Newtype columns rotate around and switch out all the time, so it just finished it's run pretty much.
It's another component of the recent publicity blitz with the movie, game, and manga volumes. Since all the dust has cleared, it's time to make way for others. :heh:
Does he consider making another nanoha animated series?He didn't mention the next movie in the column.
But,Newtype 2010 March issue has an artcile that interviewed Tsuzuki Masaki and Takeuchi Takashi about Nanoha The Movie 1st and Fate UBW.
summary
Interviewer:How did you feel about opponent's movie?
Takeuchi:Fate chan looks sparkling.lol
Tsuzuki:UBW is so cool.
...
Takeuchi:The aerial battle is excellent.
Tsuzuki:The servants animated very well.
...
Like above,most contents are praising comment to their opponent.No important comment to introduce so I won't post it in here.
But in this artcle,Takeuchi asked Tsuzuki the next movie.According to the answer,currently(atleast Jan 19,2010 when the interview was done) Tsuzuki doesn't have any plan to create The Movie 2nd.
I hope he finds plans some time within this year.
There was another (much more recent) article where a fan asked Tsuzuki if there will be a movie 2 and he said, "If there is we will go at it zenryoku zenkai!"
Way to dodge the question.
Here is the article:
http://ivory.ap.teacup.com/nagaharuhenyo2/timg/middle_1265814153.jpg
Considering that first interview was Jan 19th, (before the movie theatrical release) I'm sure the success of the first movie has piqued his interest a bit.
Oh Tsuzuki you dolt. I don't care about A's movie. You should have asked if Takeuchi was going to make a Heaven's Feel movie or not!
Rising Dragon
2010-02-14, 15:53
... I wouldn't want a Heaven's Feel movie. That story arc was damn depressing.
Depressing is good. Heaven's Feel is juicy meaty depression. At least it's not like they have 9 year olds crying about their lack of purpose in lif-... oh.
RadiantBeam
2010-02-14, 18:33
Well, I'm certain with the right amount of plot and character tweaks, at least the movie manga could easily be as depressing as Heaven's Feel.
00-Raiser
2010-02-14, 18:57
Heaven's Feel was pure epicness! Some parts were dark, but pending on the ending you get, it's still uplifting.
Unless you're a Saber fan :heh:
Never could quite feel sorry for Sakura, which made most of the route rather moot for me. Last chapter of full epicness notwithstanding.
Come to think of it... most of my reasons for not really feeling sorry for Sakura are about the same as Fate's. They are pretty similar characters, aren't they?
00-Raiser
2010-02-14, 19:38
Except Fate had it a lot easier (i.e., she wasn't violated by magic worms, raped by her brother, etc). I find Sakura so endearing because she's able to smile despite her shit-tastic life.
Anyways, it would be all kinds of awesome if Nanoha had a final battle like Heaven's Feel. Imagine: Touma and Veyron both exhaust their magic, the Eclipse infection having them on a time limit and then they proceed to have an epic fist fight.
RadiantBeam
2010-02-14, 21:34
Anyways, it would be all kinds of awesome if Nanoha had a final battle like Heaven's Feel. Imagine: Touma and Veyron both exhaust their magic, the Eclipse infection having them on a time limit and then they proceed to have an epic fist fight.
Or better yet, Nanoha and Fate having a similar fight if the Movie manga goes AU and makes Fate dark. :D Would give Nanoha an excellent chance to beat some sense into Fate. If the movie manga goes AU from the series that severely.
Or better yet, Nanoha and Fate having a similar fight if the Movie manga goes AU and makes Fate dark. :D Would give Nanoha an excellent chance to beat some sense into Fate. If the movie manga goes AU from the series that severely.
Maybe Fate does go really dark and Nanoha, realizing she can't really save people after all, is forced to go all out to stop her. One of the last panels has Nanoha holding Fate's dead body after their last combat; Nanoha had to stop her, or the stolen jewel seeds would have destroyed the world...
00-Raiser
2010-02-14, 22:49
Unfortunately 7 Arcs isn't ballsy enough to kill off Fate, who is by far the most popular character. I'd compare her to Sasuke, but at least Fate is likable.
Page claim for creative fortitude!
RadiantBeam
2010-02-14, 22:53
Unfortunately 7 Arcs isn't ballsy enough to kill off Fate, who is by far the most popular character. I'd compare her to Sasuke, but at least Fate is likable.
Maybe not kill her, but at the very least they could have Nanoha really beat the hell out of her this time instead of just hitting her with one blast of Starlight Breaker.
Starlight breaker is her strongest attack...
RadiantBeam
2010-02-14, 23:34
Starlight breaker is her strongest attack...
Fist fight! :D Oh come on, it would be epic; both of them drained of their magic, to a point where Nanoha just uses her fists to get her point across.
Or simply fires a breaker than slams an already-weakened Fate into hard wall. Or Fate, low on magic, falls out of the sky and is impaled on something. Or a Fate that has a backlash from the jewel seeds she's using that overloads her.
Using your vivid imagination to kill off Fate, I see.
00-Raiser
2010-02-14, 23:42
Or Fate, low on magic, falls out of the sky and is impaled on something
That's what I was thinking. If they really wanted to hit Nanoha with the emo stick, they'd have her go "I... I wanted to save Fate-chan but I ended up murdering her!!!"
Blank-Mage
2010-02-14, 23:46
Heaven's Feel was pure epicness! Some parts were dark, but pending on the ending you get, it's still uplifting.
Unless you're a Saber fan :heh:
*Tears well up* Well, I was also a Rider fan, so it's give and take.
And Kaijo, you seem really determined to have Fate die a horrible, bloody death.:eyebrow: Can't we just settle for some old-fashioned befriending? They're 9 years old, man! Have some mercy!
Haha, just fooling around. Yes, I doubt they'd kill her, but it would make for a very interesting dark angle. :P
Laevatein
2010-02-15, 02:05
That's what I was thinking. If they really wanted to hit Nanoha with the emo stick, they'd have her go "I... I wanted to save Fate-chan but I ended up murdering her!!!"
Again with the Gundam comparisons, Nanoha as Amuro and Fate as Lalah... but then we'd need someone else as Char.
Rising Dragon
2010-02-15, 02:09
Again with the Gundam comparisons, Nanoha as Amuro and Fate as Lalah... but then we'd need someone else as Char.
Hayate as Lalah. Fate as Char. >____>
Hayate as Lalah. Fate as Char. >____>
Hum i cant see Fate as Char, she's not "flamboyant" enough :heh:
Rising Dragon
2010-02-15, 03:43
But she is fast enough.
So, I've now read the A's manga, and I'm up to ch. 10 on StrikerS. All I can think of to say is... damn, these are really good!
Having just finished a rewatch of all three seasons, and still feeling a need for something beyond that, the manga really is quite a satisfying bit of extra material.
Unfortunately 7 Arcs isn't ballsy enough to kill off Fate, who is by far the most popular character. I'd compare her to Sasuke, but at least Fate is likable.
Page claim for creative fortitude!
Don't you regret these times where popular characters gets killed off? (http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fist_of_the_north_star/v10/c002/11.html)
Chapter 9 of Vivid was released by Mugen no Oro Scanlations.
I still maintain that, no matter how much I like her, Vita should have died on the Cradle. The setup was just so perfect for that to happen. Vita, mortally wounded, saving her friends with the last of her strength. It would have been a crowning moment of supreme awesomeness.
In fact, I'm pretty sure this was the initial plan. All the scenes point to this. Shamal's talk bout how they don't heal as fast anymore, the semi-goodbye speech between Nanoha and Vita, the final charge at the core... I think someone just chickened out here.
Aaron008R
2010-02-15, 05:03
Orororo?
http://www.onemanga.com/Magical_Girl_Lyrical_Nanoha_ViVid/9/23/
What's this? It looks like Subaru rubbed off on Nanoha more than we expected during the time in RF6. Our dear Ace of Aces (who used to suck in P.E.) can now outdo Fate (who was only second to the vampire princess Suzuka) in running? :heh: XD
In other news, seems like Hayate has competition in the shortness competition (poor Caro:heh: ). And Einhart is still as adorable as ever.:D Nove is climbing up in the character rankings too. >:3
I still maintain that, no matter how much I like her, Vita should have died on the Cradle. The setup was just so perfect for that to happen. Vita, mortally wounded, saving her friends with the last of her strength. It would have been a crowning moment of supreme awesomeness.
In fact, I'm pretty sure this was the initial plan. All the scenes point to this. Shamal's talk bout how they don't heal as fast anymore, the semi-goodbye speech between Nanoha and Vita, the final charge at the core... I think someone just chickened out here.
That would have comited the franchise into a more serious tone, i think you can understand why they may have not done it :).
Losing Vita would have been one of those deliciously tragic moments that rends your heart and makes you feel grief for days on end.
But, the Nanoverse is a place of happy endings where you can get Divinely Busted and still survive as long as you have just the right amount of magical resistance.
Aaron008R
2010-02-15, 06:11
Regarding Vita's fate, this is the part where fanfics come in, huh? >.>
That said, I'm all fine and dandy with Vita surviving. Giving it your all and then seemingly failing + falling to your death, and then getting rescued and seeing your efforts actually payed off is also nice. :3
EDIT: Page claim for Hayate and the Wolkies, who are so far no-shows in latest Vivid chapters. :T_T:
That would have comited the franchise into a more serious tone, i think you can understand why they may have not done it :).
*shrug* They already threw in a more serious tone since S1. I don't see the problem, really.
Looks like both Nanoha manga's have a bright future ahead of them. ViVid is currently at #5 in Amazon.jp rankings (was #4 until just recently) and force is at #9. Seeing both in top10 is really great.
RadiantBeam
2010-02-15, 08:52
Chapter 9 of Vivid was released by Mugen no Oro Scanlations.
Sweet, I'll have to check it out later today when I have some time. Lutecia looks like she's back to her old self in chapter 9, so hopefully her first appearance was just played for laughs.
*shrug* They already threw in a more serious tone since S1. I don't see the problem, really.
It is like the franchise is tied to the magical girl tree by a bungee cord. It wants to boldly go where no one in the magical girl galaxy have gone before but the bungee cord drags it back to the tree.
It's like Geass that had the pretentious to show neat mechs battles with something close to something called strategy and tactic (hinted in the first episodes of S1) but had thrown this out of the window the instant the arm race was introduced (more powerful mechs kept getting introduced).
I can't tell if the sight is hilarious or saddening.
neither. the term you're looking for is "ridiculous"
NorthernFallout
2010-02-15, 09:26
Partly why the franchise lost it dragging power. You either do it or you don't. Standing in the middle, teasing, only makes me go UUUUUUUUUGH.
Problem is, they've written themselves into a corner. Either they continue with the darker, more military story, or they return to the magical girl roots. Whatever the choice, they will end up disappointing fans of the path they didn't choose.
NorthernFallout
2010-02-15, 10:02
I thought that's what they are doing with Force and ViviD respectively though.
Altohugh admittedly, Force could be a hell of a lot darker...
RadiantBeam
2010-02-15, 10:25
I think that's part of where Vivid fails, for me. It feels like they're trying too hard to go back to the simple magical girl formula that they had in season one, but when you're already located on a magical world it doesn't feel right to try and focus on Vivio the way they first focused on Nanoha.
I thought that's what they are doing with Force and ViviD respectively though.
Altohugh admittedly, Force could be a hell of a lot darker...
Yes, and note how they're releasing both manga at the same time. They're still pandering to both sides.
Perhaps if one grossly outsells the other, they'll make a choice, but if both sell equally, I don't see the status quo changing.
NorthernFallout
2010-02-15, 10:29
Yea, that's what seems most likely. I got my predefined reactions ready to be used too...
Actually, they plan to kill Nanoha off in Force.
But don't worry, she'll merely go get some training on the "other side" and maybe compete in a tournament there with other strong mages that died from other planets, and occasionally come back to Earth to help out, albeit with a halo over her head to signify that she's actually dead.
00-Raiser
2010-02-15, 10:40
What's this? It looks like Subaru rubbed off on Nanoha more than we expected during the time in RF6. Our dear Ace of Aces (who used to suck in P.E.) can now outdo Fate (who was only second to the vampire princess Suzuka) in running? :heh: XD
Well, we don't see what Nanoha and Subaru are doing before that panel, so they could be taking their break earlier while the others kept going. But even if Nanoha is suddenly in better shape, it's not really surprising, as being an instructor keeps her active while Enforcers have a lot of desk work to do.
Sweet, I'll have to check it out later today when I have some time. Lutecia looks like she's back to her old self in chapter 9, so hopefully her first appearance was just played for laughs.
If by 'old self' you mean how she was in StrikerS, then no, she's not back to that. She's your standard genki girl now. Her old self certainly wouldn't have done this:
http://i48.tinypic.com/r28g00.jpg
:heh:
Well, there's a ship related comment I could make in regards to this chapter, but I'll keep my mouth shut :heh:
Hum question: did we ever get someone wearing a priest like white collar like the one Erio is wearing in Vivid chapter 9 ?
Well he is a Belkan Knight after all.
Estavali
2010-02-15, 11:35
I prefer Lulu's current personality myself. If anything it'll at least set her apart from the other dark-and-rescued people like Fate and Einhart (who are really too well-behaved imho).
Maybe it's just me, but I kinda find that a lot of people in Nanoha are just... too placid, or not lively/mischievious, enough to amuse me (where's my "Rahahahaha!!!" character, dammit... Oh, there you are, Lu <3). I would like a mischief maker on board, and one that goes "Ohohoho" at the the same time too >=3
Well, there's a ship related comment I could make in regards to this chapter, but I'll keep my mouth shut :heh:
Elio/Caro/Lu-chan FTW! Though Teh Ebil Lu-chan is something i didn't thought to see...
prescience
2010-02-15, 11:58
Elio/Caro/Lu-chan FTW!
Lucario, LOL :p
Lulu certainly is more outgoing than she was in StrikerS or SSX, but I wouldn't say she's your "standard genki girl"; she certainly has a bit of a way to go before she's in the same league as Subaru or Wendi. I agree with Estavali, though -- this Lulu seems more fun.
Perhaps if one grossly outsells the other, they'll make a choice, but if both sell equally, I don't see the status quo changing.
Unless one of them really mess up later on I can't see that happening. Their sales are close to each other right now, with ViVid slightly ahead. ViVid is getting better ratings though.
I prefer Lulu's current personality myself.
Same here. We have enough super nice, well behaving and timid characters already. Mischievous ojousama Lu is a very good thing. And I want Tsukuyomi like yandere lesbian to join the cast.
And really why so many people want deaths in Nanoha? If you want a very serious story with protagonists dying left and right and grimdark plot there are many series like that. Let Nanoha be a light hearted mahou shojo it was supposed to be in the first place.
Maybe it's just me, but I kinda find that a lot of people in Nanoha are just... too placid, or not lively/mischievious, enough to amuse me (where's my "Rahahahaha!!!" character, dammit... Oh, there you are, Lu <3). I would like a mischief maker on board, and one that goes "Ohohoho" at the the same time too >=3
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