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Tiresias
2010-12-05, 14:41
I think more Fate is fine (under acceptable dose, of course), but I have to admit I was disappointed that the one-shot took another angst route instead of a badass route; I can't remember the last time I watch her do something that made me go "holy sh-t!"
Yes I get it, she's unhappy, but I want to see her channel that into something more entertainingly aggressive :) (seriously, she showed more badasstitude in the Prisma Ilya crossover than here)
Jeez, so this is what feels to deal with me when i'm in "my days"?
... :heh:
showing more ascpects of her past and solving some questions like Arf's origin(i'm still not used to call her "Alph"),
When was she ever called Alph? (name suspiciously similar to a hairy ugly-nosed alien)
Yeah, it's not the only manga short featured in Nanotype you know...
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha comic A la carte Ou no mesame / Awakening of the king
I've learned not to have my hopes too high, but the title name is still quite promising...It rings like "Return of the King"
When was she ever called Alph? (name suspiciously similar to a hairy ugly-nosed alien)
In the movie, before the 40 minute mark...
Fate goes "Arf, Alph, Aruf" each time she speaks to Arf.
...
Which explains a LOT of the dub inconsistencies.
Even Nana Mizuki couldn't pronounce Arf's name straight.
When was she ever called Alph? (name suspiciously similar to a hairy ugly-nosed alien)
Uh, I think it's just the discrepancy of our L's and R's compared to Japan.
00-Raiser
2010-12-05, 15:00
When was she ever called Alph? (name suspiciously similar to a hairy ugly-nosed alien)
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/9283/011h0.th.jpg (http://img585.imageshack.us/i/011h0.jpg/)
Yeah, it's not the only manga short featured in Nanotype you know...
Besides Vivid and Force and Force Next (which are expected), there are a couple of others, so you have a fair point. But they haven't been scanned yet.
It wouldn't be a stretch to say the movie is the hottest thing in Japan right now. Selling 50.5k blurays and 30kdvds in the first week is something even the most popular anime have a hard time with. I know it's a movie compared to a series, but comparatively - 4k average dvd's sold with first season, 8k with A's, and 18k with StrikerS. It's come a longggg way.
Oh, it's fairly decent; but my point was that it could be so much bigger and better. When you do searches of the biggest and hottest series in Japan, Nanoha is nowhere on the list. It's not even on the top ten or top twenty lists for the best classics.
I really only see it here, honestly.
That's because we're about the only location that actively focuses on all the characters, so by extension, Fate takes up a much smaller percentage. That's pretty much why we get a lot of people coming here, even the Fate fans.
Rising Dragon
2010-12-05, 15:45
And, presumably, why others still dislike us, what with 4channers and other sites considering this place a blemish on the fandom.
The truth comes out, lol. How Fate is an exaggeratedly dramatic character is beyond me, though. Teana trumps her for that position in the span of a few episodes.
Really, has there been that many things focusing on Fate? Because I'm kinda drawing a blank here. Sure she's featured in a lot of images and what not, but that's natural since she's one of the flagship characters of the franchise. Nanoha and occasionally Hayate are right there along with her.
Season 1: Fate abuse was the center of the entire plot.
A's: Fate gets her 'life that she could have led' drama dream sequence that took up a major part of an entire episode.
StrikerS: Even here they threw in some Fate drama in the form of Jail's attempted mind-rape. Sound stages heap on even more drama with the Erio Caro family (though I actually like that drama since it actually was something fresh and new).
Then came the movie, which is basically any Fate fan's dream come true since she nearly overshadows Nanoha in almost everything, particularly the manga.
So yes, Fate is an exaggeratedly dramatic character, and she has been the central focus for a long, long time. We know more about Fate's past, personality and shadow side than we do Nanoha, despite the later being the titular character.
And what about Hayate? A's lead girl? We barely even see her in any of the media, even the current manga. Or how about the Wolkenritter? A lot of the numbers could use fleshing out as well, something Vivid is thankfully doing but it still leaves many other numbers in the cold.
It's not that I hate Fate, yes I never cared for her that much due to her being the cute adorable shy girl with the 'pity me' sign around her neck since S1 (a stereotype I rarely care for), but that doesn't mean I hate her. Its just that the constant re-hash of the Fate drama has reached the point where chewing on the same thing went beyond bland and into annoying territory.
I really only see it here, honestly.
*snap*
You know Demi, I do get really tired of you trying to heap all the blame on the other side here. Do you know why this argument got blown out of proportion? Because the moment anyone even so much as remotely suggests something negative in regards to Fate you jump out of the shadows and yell in their face how wrong they are. Then, when people start to back up their points and counter yours you put your hands in the air and go "Oh no! People here are always hating on Fate!"
No we're not, you just can't stop kicking our shins whenever we try to discuss her with anything other than continuous praise.
And, presumably, why others still dislike us, what with 4channers and other sites considering this place a blemish on the fandom.
yeah, really is sad that they don't dare say anything here in person.
"I just lurk there to laugh at their high and mighty attitudes and the way they're such homophobes."
...
If ANYONE knows ANYTHING about me...
I am probably the LEAST homophobic person around. (Hell, I've written a Teana/Wendi/Nove lemon and a Teana/Sein lemon in the past)
I just don't like NanoFate all that much anymore.
Mostly due to the fans.
But, there's also this fact...
It's been done to DEATH! Seriously, I wanna see something new!
I might like pizza, but I eat other food too.
Oh, it's fairly decent; but my point was that it could be so much bigger and better. When you do searches of the biggest and hottest series in Japan, Nanoha is nowhere on the list. It's not even on the top ten or top twenty lists for the best classics.
"bigger and better" compared to what? It grew so much in popularity from StrikerS to now, I don't see how anything could of brought about a larger change.
And what are you using to determine classics? Not that I'd consider Nanoha a classic, but that wasn't my point. Currently, it is one of the hottest anime in Japan.
Here is the weekly DVD sales ranking for November 22nd - 28th.
*1, 22,758 22,758 Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha The Movie 1st DVD
*2, 12,451 12,451 Hakuouki vol.6
*3, 10,785 10,785 Durarara!! vol.10 Limited Edition
*4, *8,929 *8,929 Angel Beats! vol.6 Limited Edition DVD
*5, *7,426 *7,426 Kuroshitsuji II vol.3 Limited Edition
*6, *5,945 *5,945 Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood vol.16 DVD
*7, *5,417 *5,417 Crayon Shin-chan Movie 18: Chou Jikuu! Arashi wo Yobu Ora no Hanayome
*8, *4,545 *4,545 Ookiku Furikabutte ~Natsu no Taikai Hen~ vol.6 Limited Edition DVD
*9, *4,357 53,726 Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn vol.2 DVD
Blu-ray
*1, 58,000 58,000 Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha The Movie 1st
*2, 31,000 31,000 Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu Blu-ray Box
It's certainly not on par with Evangelion, but again, that's pretty much a Japanese trademark.
You know Demi, I do get really tired of you trying to heap all the blame on the other side here. Do you know why this argument got blown out of proportion? Because the moment anyone even so much as remotely suggests something negative in regards to Fate you jump out of the shadows and yell in their face how wrong they are. Then, when people start to back up their points and counter yours you put your hands in the air and go "Oh no! People here are always hating on Fate!"
"Poorly written fanfic without first reading it" (no, not referring to your comment) doesn't imply remote. Even if it was read, it's still not remote. You admitted yourself why you didn't like it.
And I'm being completely serious. This thread is far more critical than any other site I frequent. And I assure you, a lot of them are not NanoFate centric.
Season 1: Fate abuse was the center of the entire plot.
A's: Fate gets her 'life that she could have led' drama dream sequence that took up a major part of an entire episode.
StrikerS: Even here they threw in some Fate drama in the form of Jail's attempted mind-rape. Sound stages heap on even more drama with the Erio Caro family (though I actually like that drama since it actually was something fresh and new).
Then came the movie, which is basically any Fate fan's dream come true since she nearly overshadows Nanoha in almost everything, particularly the manga.
Fate's a dramatic character, she's not a drama queen. There is a difference. I don't see how her reactions were not justified.
Oh great, and I thought I was finished.
SilentOutlaw
2010-12-05, 16:02
A's: Fate gets her 'life that she could have led' drama dream sequence that took up a major part of an entire episode.
I'm going to argue this one. Yes, Fate had a good part of episode twelve? Which at that point, was interesting because we didn't know much of her backstory besides that she was a clone. Those of us who didn't watch the Sound Stages.
I'm also interested as to why you picked that out of everything Fate related in A's, I thought you would have more of an issue with the whole "Fate goes to school" thing.
Bananoha
2010-12-05, 16:18
When was she ever called Alph? (name suspiciously similar to a hairy ugly-nosed alien)Uh, I think it's just the discrepancy of our L's and R's compared to Japan./late but someone said in an interview with Tsuzuki that it's Alph. Didn't want it to sound like a dog barking or something. And this was aaaaages ago.
Still gotta lol at Raising and then Raging Heart. CONSISTENCY WHAR?
herp derp, also have translations for Memory;ex なう. Working 45hrs+ a week slowing shtuff down. orz
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I really only see it here, honestly.
It's because this is one of the last if not the last place where you can of anything you want of the franchise, in the rest if you dont follow the "one true way" you are going to be dogpilled until you recant.
Some tried to change this forum this way, i am glade they are no longer here.
yeah, really is sad that they don't dare say anything here in person.
"I just lurk there to laugh at their high and mighty attitudes and the way they're such homophobes."
...
The stupidity it burns as some would say, i wonder what the guys among them think about Yaoi...
00-Raiser
2010-12-05, 16:24
Yeah, that thing in A's was just one part of the whole series. Fate is still a main character so she's going to get some parts dedicated to her. The point is she doesn't get all the attention all the time. It's not like in Naruto where every character is obsessed with Sasuke and he became the sole driving force behind pretty much everything in the series.
As for focusing on Nanoha or Hayate's back stories, well... What needs to be said about them? They covered Nanoha's backstory all they needed to: Shiro got injuried and Nanoha was loney because the rest of her family was busy. Pretty straight forward and hardly needs to be explored deeper than that. Hayate's backstory? Her parents are dead. Sure, maybe a flashback showing her life before her parents died might be nice, but in the end it wouldn't really add much to her character.
So in the end, Fate's backstory is just far more interesting. There's a lot more to it, such as the cloning blues, Precia's decent to madness, Linith's role, etc. It got fleshed out because there was much to flesh out.
yeah, really is sad that they don't dare say anything here in person.
"I just lurk there to laugh at their high and mighty attitudes and the way they're such homophobes."
That last bit isn't so much a knock against AS, but one against me personally and they say it in person all the time. I know the hate towards this place has certainly increased because I'm here, but with all the hate focused on me, at least the rest of you don't have to deal with it. That's good, at least.
Random Wanderer
2010-12-05, 16:33
...Whoa, conversation got intense while I wasn't paying attention. I'm just going to sit over here and wait for the next chapter of either Vivid or Force to be translated, ok? You all can go back to murdering each other or whatever over differences in character interpretations.
It wouldn't be a stretch to say the movie is the hottest thing in Japan right now. Selling 50.5k blurays and 30kdvds in the first week is something even the most popular anime have a hard time with. I know it's a movie compared to a series, but comparatively - 4k average dvd's sold with first season, 8k with A's, and 18k with StrikerS. It's come a longggg way.
I don't give a damn about this argument but whenever someone brings out numbers I can't resist posting. *twitch, twitch*
A's averaged around 11k and StrikerS around 22k. The Movie sold 80k in the first 3-4 days and could probably sell another ~20k in the next week of sales, which matches predictions..
The PSP game sold something like 100k too.. the Force/Vivid volumes have sold like..80k..
I'd say the metaseries is pretty popular. Selling 10k discs is considered pretty good. :heh:
Akiyoshi
2010-12-05, 16:48
I thinks is overexaggerating to compare Fate with Sasuke, yeah they're both co-protagonists and also have sad backstories, but the similarities and here. I agree again with Raiser in that while it's true that Fate get the spotlight sometimes it's because she's the other main character of the series, also the focus she recives on StrikerS(Scaglietti's attempt to mind rape her) is at least the minimal a main character could receive(besides her relationship with Erio and Caro and her confrontation with Jail, her most notorious role on StrikerS is just "to be there for Nanoha"). On the other side...
I think more Fate is fine (under acceptable dose, of course), but I have to admit I was disappointed that the one-shot took another angst route instead of a badass route; I can't remember the last time I watch her do something that made me go "holy sh-t!"
...totally agree with this, A's Fate is the best Fate for me, while it's true she get her obligatory dose of angst, she's also more ready to jump into action and think things for herself(also helps the fact that she always have fierce clashes against Signum), she spent a lot less time on sadness and more on determination and asskicking, The Book's attempt to trigger again said sadness is a good indicator of how Fate has overcome that. In the main continuity, however, she's much less action-y, i think editors are aware of that and that's why Fate's badassitude is reworked on the MOVIE 1st manga.
I'm going to argue this one. Yes, Fate had a good part of episode twelve? Which at that point, was interesting because we didn't know much of her backstory besides that she was a clone. Those of us who didn't watch the Sound Stages.
I'm also interested as to why you picked that out of everything Fate related in A's, I thought you would have more of an issue with the whole "Fate goes to school" thing.
Well my main point in that post was that Fate gets a lot of drama thrown at her in every season, not how well it fit.
As for why I picked that scene... *shrug* It was the first thing that sprung to mind. I could probably find other things if I combed through the episodes, but that one was an example that stood out.
As for focusing on Nanoha or Hayate's back stories, well... What needs to be said about them? They covered Nanoha's backstory all they needed to: Shiro got injuried and Nanoha was loney because the rest of her family was busy. Pretty straight forward and hardly needs to be explored deeper than that. Hayate's backstory? Her parents are dead. Sure, maybe a flashback showing her life before her parents died might be nice, but in the end it wouldn't really add much to her character.
True, yet there is still a load they can focus on, the two actually created a lot of backstory that was left unexplored over the course of the series. Nanoha for example has a great potential to show the rising through the ranks in the bureau as she becomes an instructor, and then there's the whole major injury debacle they can throw in as a drama-bomb. Or maybe a little more slice-of-life story about Nanoha and Vivio as they begin to settle down? And Hayate has plentu of tales to tell too. Let's start with the creation of Rein, the healing of her legs and her first real battles, her rising through the ranks and the politics that follows it.
All great potential stories that are just begging to be told. Why not tell them instead of the same Fate story through a slightly different angle?
"Poorly written fanfic without first reading it" (no, not referring to your comment) doesn't imply remote. Even if it was read, it's still not remote. You admitted yourself why you didn't like it.
And I'm being completely serious. This thread is far more critical than any other site I frequent. And I assure you, a lot of them are not NanoFate centric.
This board is very critical, I will give you that. We analyze details most other boards don't bother with or even know they exist, and this is not just limited to Fate. My point is, most of these debates surrounding Fate start when every time someone mentions something negative involving Fate (be it her character, a chapter of a manga or her combat strength) you fly in and outright claim someone is wrong, then go all defensive claiming everyone is 'hating on Fate' whenever they respond to you.
The main source of nearly every Fate discussion on these boards is often you, Demi. You can call us overly critical, but we only get that way because you keep kicking our shins.
Random example, someone mentions Fate is weak in defense. You fly in and say he's wrong and that she's really powerful. The other person retorts with a few more in-dept explanations and examples, which you go further in-depth to counter. Other people involve themselves in the discussion and things get more and more in-depth and critical, spiraling down and down.
Fate's a dramatic character, she's not a drama queen. There is a difference. I don't see how her reactions were not justified.
Oh great, and I thought I was finished.
QED.
Rising Dragon
2010-12-05, 16:53
The absorption segment of episode 12 for Fate likely comes to mind due to the fact that if you remove it from A's entirely, you literally lose 0 amount of plot.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-05, 17:02
The absorption segment of episode 12 for Fate likely comes to mind due to the fact that if you remove it from A's entirely, you literally lose 0 amount of plot.
Well that's ....true. Apart of giving a little more ample glimpse at Fate's backstory it doesen't affect the current plot in nothing. It was a method of the Book to get rid of Fate(and probably absorb her ...oh! the possibilities xD) because she was an enemy, as for why the Book don't use it the same method on Nanoha is arguable, Fate was in Sonic Form at the time and probably her reduced defenses makes it easier for the Book, probably the Book consider her more dangerous than Nanoha, or probably it's only because Fate was close enough after her attempt to land a strike on Reinforce. I don't have anything against that segment but probably it would be raised less complaints if that will be covered on a sound stage instead of taking a good chunk of a chapter during a climatic battle.
Random Wanderer
2010-12-05, 17:12
On the other hand, for some viewers, that sequence was one of the most powerful and emotional episodes in the series. The Nanoha series isn't strictly focused on advancing the plot. The emotions and bonds between characters are one of the most important parts of the series, and by that token learning that Fate had grown to the point of being able to walk away from what she'd wanted more than anything else at the end of the first season was of major significance.
...Going back in my corner now, don't mind me...
The absorption segment of episode 12 for Fate likely comes to mind due to the fact that if you remove it from A's entirely, you literally lose 0 amount of plot.
Pretty much that and her school scenes, and time with Arisa and Suzuka. They have no bearing on the main plot. It would have been nicer instead to see an extended battle scene of Nanoha and Fate working together against the defense program.
And yes, I damn well would have liked some explanation about Hayate's parents, and how a 9 year old crippled girl can live alone. Some flash of backstory to find out when and how her parents died and how she coped. How she came to live alone in that house; more backstory on the knights and their past history.
As for S1, yes, I want some more Nanoha backstory, about how her parents are perfectly okay with her going off on her own. That's still the #1 question I get asked everytime I show someone the series, and I have to painfully explain the theory based on an interpretation of an AU. We get a decent slice of Nanoha's backstory with Arisa and Suzuka, but it's sadly lacking with regards to her family and the roles they played in her life.
As Keroko said, we're critical of all characters, so Fate is going to be hit with it. Being critical isn't a bad thing; it's how we objectively measure them. You can't get defensive when that happens. As I said, Nanoha is my favorite character, but I'll get critical on her, too.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-05, 17:22
As Keroko said, we're critical of all characters, so Fate is going to be hit with it. Being critical isn't a bad thing; it's how we objectively measure them. You can't get defensive when that happens. As I said, Nanoha is my favorite character, but I'll get critical on her, too.
Yep, with Signum, for example, as much as i like her i also need to admit that she's so underdeveloped that her badassitude is more or less her only notorious trait aside from her kuudereness towards her close friends and stoicness towards everybody else. It's the pivotal reason of why FORCE Ch. 7 hits me so hard, Signum is not an invincible Badass anymore so, what will be the new focus of her character? the looong wait to discover that get on my nerves from time to time.
Speaking of being critical, rather than Fate we really should have pity for the Hucks. We've been hammering, rebuilding and hammering them again and again with each chapter that comes out. They are beyond shadow of a doubt the worst off characters facing our critical eyes.
Random Wanderer
2010-12-05, 17:44
Speaking of being critical, rather than Fate we really should have pity for the Hucks.
When they show themselves to be deserving of pity, they may receive it. As of yet they have not.
And please don't try bringing up the "kill or die" thing again, we've been over that like a half-dozen times already.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-05, 17:53
When they show themselves to be deserving of pity, they may receive it. As of yet they have not.
True. I can't say anything valid about Cypha because i'm totally biased against her for now, but as for the other Hucks it's a bit hard to feel pitty for people who didn't give a damn for anyone beside themselves and rejoice on killing, and gloating about how untouchable they are. I actually find Veyron interesting but i don't feel pity for him in the slightiest, when they show remorse or confess that deep inside feel at least guilty over their curses ...the maaaaybe i can open to them but for now more or less like Random Wanderer just said. They don't showing to be deserving of pity for now.
Tiresias
2010-12-05, 18:07
Speaking of being critical, rather than Fate we really should have pity for the Hucks. We've been hammering, rebuilding and hammering them again and again with each chapter that comes out. They are beyond shadow of a doubt the worst off characters facing our critical eyes.
I don't mind if some people have sympathy for the Hucks, but I hope you will not try to enforce that opinion on those who doesn't. Just as you have a reason to pity them, others has the right to hate them. So every man for himself.
And please don't try bringing up the "kill or die" thing again, we've been over that like a half-dozen times already.
And I'd rather not unearth that discussion again so soon; it's been only less than a month from the last one so there's no new info's from the manga to support either side and we'll only get stuck on the same old...
/late but someone said in an interview with Tsuzuki that it's Alph. Didn't want it to sound like a dog barking or something. And this was aaaaages ago.
And here I though she was named precisely after a dog's bark :heh:
When they show themselves to be deserving of pity, they may receive it. As of yet they have not.
I meant pity for how much we hammer them into the ground with our nitty-gritty analysis, not pity for their situation. :p
I don't feel a shred of pity for the Huck's situation. Thoma I pity, because he doesn't want to hurt anyone yet is forced into a corner where he has to choose between kill or die, and dammit the guy has balls to choose the second option. The Hucks accepted or even revel in their situation, so pity for their infection goes out the window. Yet at the same time it's also a trait that makes me like them, true villains in Nanoha could be counted on one hand if not for the Hucks.
I like them being evil.
I don't give a damn about this argument but whenever someone brings out numbers I can't resist posting. *twitch, twitch*
A's averaged around 11k and StrikerS around 22k. The Movie sold 80k in the first 3-4 days and could probably sell another ~20k in the next week of sales, which matches predictions..
I'd say the metaseries is pretty popular. Selling 10k discs is considered pretty good. :heh:
I was a little off on A's and StrikerS sales? I cant tell if you're disagreeing with me or what.
The PSP game sold something like 100k too.. the Force/Vivid volumes have sold like..80k..
Total, or weekly? Though games and manga probably shouldn't be on the same sales scale.
The absorption segment of episode 12 for Fate likely comes to mind due to the fact that if you remove it from A's entirely, you literally lose 0 amount of plot.
That's what I mean. When that scene happened, everyone was talking about about how much they enjoyed it in the discussion threads...And yet, somehow people here think it sacrifices the quality of A's because it's unimportant? It was well done and it was nice character development. So what's the issue?
Random example, someone mentions Fate is weak in defense. You fly in and say he's wrong and that she's really powerful. The other person retorts with a few more in-dept explanations and examples, which you go further in-depth to counter. Other people involve themselves in the discussion and things get more and more in-depth and critical, spiraling down and down.
I wouldn't argue that Fate's the strongest character in the franchise, nor would I argue she's weak in defense. What I would argue against is her being worfed, or the dream sequence not being a nice addition to A's.
Archon_Wing
2010-12-05, 18:28
Season 1: Fate abuse was the center of the entire plot.
A's: Fate gets her 'life that she could have led' drama dream sequence that took up a major part of an entire episode.
StrikerS: Even here they threw in some Fate drama in the form of Jail's attempted mind-rape. Sound stages heap on even more drama with the Erio Caro family (though I actually like that drama since it actually was something fresh and new).
Then came the movie, which is basically any Fate fan's dream come true since she nearly overshadows Nanoha in almost everything, particularly the manga.
But in all these events, only season 1 truly puts emphasis on Fate, and that's only because of how little actually happened. In A's and StrikerS, she hardly gets that much attention. There's that little example in A's, but that was just due to the nature of the plot device. In StrikerS, that was the focus of like half an episode, and by and far was just to give her an excuse to fight aka heroic willpower thing that is hardly unique to any of the characters.
The movie doesn't count, since it's just retelling season 1 and it's too early to put that in perspective with the overall narrative.
The series overall has been getting less and less Fate-centric.
So yes, Fate is an exaggeratedly dramatic character, and she has been the central focus for a long, long time. We know more about Fate's past, personality and shadow side than we do Nanoha, despite the later being the titular character.
I really don't see how Fate can be excessively dramatic when most of her character drama was the focus of one season, and her character hasn't been focused nearly as much as we progress. The later events only show that she's relevant to the scene but hardly dominant considering it's but a small part of the later series. It's also not like she is constantly slitting her wrists after the 1st season either, unlike some other well known drama queen characters.
And you're right about Nanoha. It's sad that she didn't receive any major development until StrikerS, which I lauded them for.
And what about Hayate? A's lead girl? We barely even see her in any of the media, even the current manga. Or how about the Wolkenritter? A lot of the numbers could use fleshing out as well, something Vivid is thankfully doing but it still leaves many other numbers in the cold.
That's because they seem to hate Hayate as well as Yuuno, Chrono, and basically any guy. :( It's as if they made up characters and decided they should all be sweet and loving and have bad stuff happen to them... then they hit a wall. It's sad, really.
Then again, I'd rather have a few characters well focused on, rather than the... umm mess of half heartedly developed characters that happens sometimes.
Justin_Brett
2010-12-05, 18:37
Speaking of being critical, rather than Fate we really should have pity for the Hucks. We've been hammering, rebuilding and hammering them again and again with each chapter that comes out. They are beyond shadow of a doubt the worst off characters facing our critical eyes.
You used the worst possible characters for that argument, buddy. I'll start feeling sympathy for them (MAYBE) when they start being actual characters than just roadblocks for the heroes.
You used the worst possible characters for that argument, buddy. I'll start feeling sympathy for them (MAYBE) when they start being actual characters than just roadblocks for the heroes.
Have you ever wondered why they appears so shallow compared to Fate while they are as interesting if not more for some people (I started Nanoha because of Vita fyi)? hint: horrible misuse of screen time and script that have been detrimental to them in StrikerS.
All that time wasted on pointless, misused, training episodes and fanservice-y fluffy scenes to cater to the pairing crowd, it's just so fucking infuriating because it could have been used to deepen them (Hayate, Rein Zwei, Shamal, Vita, Signum and Zaphira), and Erio and Caro
So yeah, it's fucking hard for the random schmuck to feel for characters that are barely developped because writers misused their time and mismanaged their cast.
Look at what happened to Miyuki in Lucky Star. At least Tsukasa had her sister, while Kagami had her sweet ambiguously tsundere time with Konata.
But in all these events, only season 1 truly puts emphasis on Fate, and that's only because of how little actually happened. In A's and StrikerS, she hardly gets that much attention. There's that little example in A's, but that was just due to the nature of the plot device. In StrikerS, that was the focus of like half an episode, and by and far was just to give her an excuse to fight aka heroic willpower thing that is hardly unique to any of the characters.
The movie doesn't count, since it's just retelling season 1 and it's too early to put that in perspective with the overall narrative.
The series overall has been getting less and less Fate-centric.
My point with those examples was mostly showing that every time Fate gets involved, eventually something overly dramatic involving her past will happen. S1 was a given and had a good reason, but the other two seasons don't have that reason.
Besides, Fate already was the most fleshed-out character in the entire series by the end of A's, and yet she got new development every season while others were simply left in the cold and forgotten. Yuuno had a good source of development in A's, but nothing came out of that. Hayate had a brilliant set-up for development in StrikerS, but that went out with a sizzle.
And guess who gets to wave the 'I am a poor clone created by my sad mother' flag in again both seasons?
So yes, I do call Fate excessively dramatic when they keep shoving the whole clone girl with a screwed up family thing in our face every single season.
Archon_Wing
2010-12-05, 19:32
My point with those examples was mostly showing that every time Fate gets involved, something overly dramatic involving her past will happen. S1 was a given and had a good reason, but the other two seasons don't have that reason.
But there's plenty of scenes where Fate's not suffering an angst crisis, like her readjusting to a civilian life in A's and her teaching the young ones in StrikerS. These all help build character and is mildly relevant to the plot without being overly melodramatic.
As for the actual scenes being overdramatic, I don't really see how the A's one was. It might have not been totally necessary but it wasn't like horrifically exaggerated-- the only blatant example is still s1 and that actually had a reason. I just feel the drama in A's and StrikerS concerning Fate was pretty apporiate and not over the top.
Besides, Fate already was the most fleshed-out character in the entire series by the end of A's, and yet she got new development every season while others were simply left in the cold and forgotten. Yuuno had a good source of development in A's, but nothing came out of that. Hayate had a brilliant set-up for development in StrikerS, but that went out with a sizzle.
It's just easier to build off an established character. In a way character development is a snowball effect. And Hayate and Yuuno just got totally screwed, which makes me pretty furious.
And guess who gets to wave the 'I am a poor clone created by my sad mother' flag in again both seasons?
So yes, I do call Fate excessively dramatic when they keep shoving the whole clone girl with a screwed up family thing in our face every single season.
To me, it's just establishing continuity-- after all everyone needs their own reason to fight and it's a part of a person that can't be removed. Manufacturing a poorly developed reason (lol teana) or just fighting for no good reason doesn't make it as intense. In fact, not tossing in our faces once in a while would be a determent to the character.
But there's plenty of scenes where Fate's not suffering an angst crisis, like her readjusting to a civilian life in A's and her teaching the young ones in StrikerS. These all help build character and is mildly relevant to the plot without being overly melodramatic.
To me, it's just establishing continuity-- after all everyone needs their own reason to fight and it's a part of a person that can't be removed. Manufacturing a poorly developed reason (lol teana) or just fighting for no good reason doesn't make it as intense. In fact, not tossing in our faces once in a while would be a determent to the character.
You would have a point, except Fate has a tendency to overshadow every other character. Let's showcase:
The Stars team consists of Nanoha, Vita, Teana, and Subaru. All of them got development, even Vita (who was shown to now intensely value Nanoha's life and well-being ). I wouldn't call Teana's reason poorly developed; it was actually one of the most well-developed. Remember what she shouted at the Hotel Augustus incident? "A Lanster's bullets will definitely pierce the enemy." The loss of her brother and his humiliation is what drives her to be focused on succeeding, yet you can still see the hint of the vulnerable side, the one that fears not living up to it.
At any rate, Vita, Teana and Subaru each stood on their own two feet with their own stories.
Now, let's take The lightning team: Fate, Signum, Erio and Caro. We got a smidge of backstory about Erio and Caro, with very little development. We got barely any development at all about Signum (only a the tiniest hints towards the end with Agito). And Erio and Caro's stories were more built up to shore up Fate's own development and backstory, culminating with the whole "don't give up!" speech.
In short, they existed to service Fate. It's almost like those closest to Fate, get drowned out by the brightness of her own star. Fate, whether by decree or by accident, steals the show. Whereas Nanoha can still be her own person, but lurk in the background enough to let other people around her shine.
I don't hate on Fate for this, because it's a writer issue, and Force seems to be doing a decent job keeping her appearance minimal to let the focus swing to other characters. Vivid to a degree, as well.
But it's a big reason a lot of people have a certain frustration that they can barely vocalize the reasons why to. To them, they see things like the Movie 1st, and wonder if it should instead be called Magical Girl Lyrical Fate instead, because now she's outshining the main character (RH taking control of Nanoha doesn't help matters either, heh). And why a lot of people tend to get upset at her screentime, because it really feels like other characters get shafted when she's around.
Hell, even Arf disappeared. I guess Fate saving you, and all those years you spent devoted to her, looking after her, don't mean much, eh?
Archon_Wing
2010-12-05, 21:21
You would have a point, except Fate has a tendency to overshadow every other character. Let's showcase:
The Stars team consists of Nanoha, Vita, Teana, and Subaru. All of them got development, even Vita (who was shown to now intensely value Nanoha's life and well-being ). I wouldn't call Teana's reason poorly developed; it was actually one of the most well-developed. Remember what she shouted at the Hotel Augustus incident? "A Lanster's bullets will definitely pierce the enemy." The loss of her brother and his humiliation is what drives her to be focused on succeeding, yet you can still see the hint of the vulnerable side, the one that fears not living up to it.
At any rate, Vita, Teana and Subaru each stood on their own two feet with their own stories.
Teana More developed? Yea I would say that, but that's just relative to a lot of the cast getting horrifically shafted. However, it was all over the place and put aside for the longest time so the impact I felt was really soft. Not that I didn't cheer for her at the end, but I didn't find it particularly convincing even if I know it what her motivations are. Honestly, the part about her I found convincing was her friendship with Subaru
My opinion is of course, affected by that Teana/Nanoha training incident-- I'd call that overly dramatic and made it harder for me to take her seriously.
Subaru? Arguably she's the main character next to Nanoha for StrikerS. For the most part it's pretty obvious that Nanoha's team is much more central to the story.
Now, let's take The lightning team: Fate, Signum, Erio and Caro. We got a smidge of backstory about Erio and Caro, with very little development. We got barely any development at all about Signum (only a the tiniest hints towards the end with Agito). And Erio and Caro's stories were more built up to shore up Fate's own development and backstory, culminating with the whole "don't give up!" speech.
In short, they existed to service Fate. It's almost like those closest to Fate, get drowned out by the brightness of her own star. Fate, whether by decree or by accident, steals the show. Whereas Nanoha can still be her own person, but lurk in the background enough to let other people around her shine.
This entire side just got shafted for the most part. Fate only overshadowed them because there wasn't anything to overshadow, thus making them appear as satellites. And she herself was overshadowed by Nanoha's team. It seems like a time issue to me rather than her overriding anyone. Essentially, even if you cut Fate from the story, there's no guarantee it would have improved their characters.
Personally, I saw Signum to get more action than Fate and her screentime more impressive, really. At least Signum had a valid subplot with Zest. Fate was really just there to beat up on Jail.
Essentially, they were the B-plot, and thus shafting is inevitable.
I don't hate on Fate for this, because it's a writer issue, and Force seems to be doing a decent job keeping her appearance minimal to let the focus swing to other characters. Vivid to a degree, as well.
Glad to know, as I delve more into it. ;) IMO, this franchise starts too many plot threads and characters without trying to follow up too much.
But it's a big reason a lot of people have a certain frustration that they can barely vocalize the reasons why to. To them, they see things like the Movie 1st, and wonder if it should instead be called Magical Girl Lyrical Fate instead, because now she's outshining the main character (RH taking control of Nanoha doesn't help matters either, heh). And why a lot of people tend to get upset at her screentime, because it really feels like other characters get shafted when she's around.
Hell, even Arf disappeared. I guess Fate saving you, and all those years you spent devoted to her, looking after her, don't mean much, eh?
Which I'd like to argue that, besides the movie, that Fate's screentime has been decreasing relative to others as the series go along. From my point of view, I would say that she would be stealing less and less screentime.
Though honestly, RH becoming more automated at least gives me more credbility for Nanoha- it makes more sense to me that Raising Heart is teaching her everything than her picking up everything out of nowhere after a few uses like an expert. I think her bring trained and practicing makes her look better than someone that has instant talent. F1 > Instant talent. Neither situation is perfect, of course.
It's really hard for me to see how Fate's stealing screentime when there are much less plot elements related to her in A's and StrikerS. To me, she was pretty much in the background of StrikerS, allowing the Stars team to develop.
There is far much time wasting on plot threads that go nowhere and random training exercises than anything that involves Fate really. And yes, while I have a severe disdain for so much of the old cast getting shafted, I just see series that lack proper time management and focus.
Teana More developed? Yea I would say that, but that's just relative to a lot of the cast getting horrifically shafted. However, it was all over the place and put aside for the longest time so the impact I felt was really soft. Not that I didn't cheer for her at the end, but I didn't find it particularly convincing even if I know it what her motivations are. Honestly, the part about her I found convincing was her friendship with Subaru
Subaru? Arguably she's the main character next to Nanoha for StrikerS. For the most part it's pretty obvious that Nanoha's team is much more central to the story.
Not really. Fate was the one who was hinted to have a connection to Jail. She was the first person to speak the name and recognize the name on the smashed drone, speaking it with more than a bit of disgust. Jail's interest in her as a Project F clone early on, was cemented later by Tre and Sette.
Nanoha was just there to train, and only got personally involved when Vivio came along (and then to give Fate her due, they made her one of Vivio's mamas and had her spend more time with Vivio, then the two children she had supposedly adopted earlier!). Teana's arc was mostly resolved when she returned to normal, but that didn't specifically deal with the main story. You have more of a point with Subaru since her and her sister both held interest to Jail, but that was mainly reduced to Subaru's feelings of inadequacy with regards to her sister, culminating with their fight that resolved it.
So, if anything, Stars team wasn't as central to the deal. Hayate preparing RF6 for this was arguably more central to the story, yet we all know how she gets shafted.
This entire side just got shafted for the most part. Fate only overshadowed them because there wasn't anything to overshadow, thus making them appear as satellites. And she herself was overshadowed by Nanoha's team. It seems like a time issue to me rather than her overriding anyone. Essentially, even if you cut Fate from the story, there's no guarantee it would have improved their characters.
Erio was a Project F clone, and was one of the ones Jail was initially interested in, along with Fate. In that light, Erio should have been more central to the story, instead of just... being there.
Personally, I saw Signum to get more action than Fate and her screentime more impressive, really. At least Signum had a valid subplot with Zest.
Signum's subplot with Zest wasn't so much. It would be more accurate to say that Signum was just a part of Zest's arc, there to be the honorable warrior to slay him in combat. Again, there are no real changes to Signum's character in the 10 years prior, nor in most of StrikerS, like Vita was. Of course, Shamal and Zafira got shafted as well. About the only memorable thing to Signum's character that I can recall, is her short discussion with Fate about attending a meeting.
Though honestly, RH becoming more automated at least gives me more credbility for Nanoha- it makes more sense to me that Raising Heart is teaching her everything than her picking up everything out of nowhere after a few uses like an expert. I think her bring trained and practicing makes her look better than someone that has instant talent. F1 > Instant talent. Neither situation is perfect, of course.
Are you contrasting the series vs. movie RH? Because I found the series more believable. Yuuno spent a few months teaching Nanoha all the basics. Nanoha had talent, but at least there was considerably time spent in practice (and even then, she quickly got shot down by Fate in the initial meeting).
It's really hard for me to see how Fate's stealing screentime when there are much less plot elements related to her in A's and StrikerS. To me, she was pretty much in the background of StrikerS, allowing the Stars team to develop.
Her development was mostly in regards to how she's been adopting kids, and then furthered by her inserting herself as one of Vivio's mamas (which is made to seem rather odd since she's hardly a mama to her other two kids, and then afterward takes long deep space assignments to stay away from Nanoha and Vivio, but I digress). But it was because of her taking on two kids that led her to development in that last fight.
In short, it was less about Erio and Caro developing because of Fate, and more about Fate developing because of Erio and Caro.
So... how about those Force scans and a timeline for a translation? Heh.
This month's Force chapter was scanned by Nina about a week ago... I think the translator for it is away/busy right now, though.
Justin_Brett
2010-12-05, 22:04
People do tend to view Spotlight Stealing Squad as a trait for unlikable characters, but it might be even worse when a good character gets screen time she probably doesn't need because the writers know people like her. Gives them a crutch in-case new ones fall flat, I guess is what you're saying.
Archon_Wing
2010-12-05, 22:09
Not really. Fate was the one who was hinted to have a connection to Jail. She was the first person to speak the name and recognize the name on the smashed drone, speaking it with more than a bit of disgust. Jail's interest in her as a Project F clone early on, was cemented later by Tre and Sette.
Nanoha was just there to train, and only got personally involved when Vivio came along (and then to give Fate her due, they made her one of Vivio's mamas and had her spend more time with Vivio, then the two children she had supposedly adopted earlier!). Teana's arc was mostly resolved when she returned to normal, but that didn't specifically deal with the main story. You have more of a point with Subaru since her and her sister both held interest to Jail, but that was mainly reduced to Subaru's feelings of inadequacy with regards to her sister, culminating with their fight that resolved it.
So, if anything, Stars team wasn't as central to the deal. Hayate preparing RF6 for this was arguably more central to the story, yet we all know how she gets shafted.
I'm referring to how the show itself treated the characters, and how it appeared on screen. And yea, I honestly think that Stars team was more important to the show just by how prominent the characters where shown. It didn't climax with Fate beating Jail; it climaxed with Nanoha saving Vivio-- it should be fairly obvious where the brunt of the emotional impact was being put on. The whole Jail thing might have been the main plot, but it really feels more incidental. Then again, Jail had zero credbility as a villain/threat to me.
This is almost certainly due to superior character development of the Stars side. Nanoha technically wasn't the core of the story, but she receives the most character development. We learn more about her than any previously existing character. (And the show is named after her, of course. :p) It may not have been meant to be like that, but it sure looked like it.
Erio was a Project F clone, and was one of the ones Jail was initially interested in, along with Fate. In that light, Erio should have been more central to the story, instead of just... being there.
Right, but this entire plot just didn't seem that prominent even though it might have should been.
Signum's subplot with Zest wasn't so much. It would be more accurate to say that Signum was just a part of Zest's arc, there to be the honorable warrior to slay him in combat. Again, there are no real changes to Signum's character in the 10 years prior, nor in most of StrikerS, like Vita was. Of course, Shamal and Zafira got shafted as well. About the only memorable thing to Signum's character that I can recall, is her short discussion with Fate about attending a meeting.
I'm referring to screentime here; that is I felt that she had much more interesting things to do then Fate did. In terms of character development; well I guess they all got shafted.
Are you contrasting the series vs. movie RH? Because I found the series more believable. Yuuno spent a few months teaching Nanoha all the basics. Nanoha had talent, but at least there was considerably time spent in practice (and even then, she quickly got shot down by Fate in the initial meeting).
Yes, I am. And offscreen training didn't really convince me much for season 1. Even with Yunno's guidance. But this has to do more with Yuuno getting screwed more than anything else.
Her development was mostly in regards to how she's been adopting kids, and then furthered by her inserting herself as one of Vivio's mamas (which is made to seem rather odd since she's hardly a mama to her other two kids, and then afterward takes long deep space assignments to stay away from Nanoha and Vivio, but I digress). But it was because of her taking on two kids that led her to development in that last fight.
In short, it was less about Erio and Caro developing because of Fate, and more about Fate developing because of Erio and Caro.
Which I really see as a time issue. It was just easier to develop an existing character, and well, really didn't matter.
But anyhow, what are we talking about here? Is this development for Fate really consuming everyone else's screentime? At most, 2 characters revolve around her (Nanoha doesn't need to anymore) and of course we're talking about StrikerS which just had severe focus issues all around and characters getting shafted everywhere. And even that show had developed other characters in interesting ways; more so than Fate.
Random Wanderer
2010-12-05, 22:11
The lack of proper focus in Strikers, or rather insistence that "they're all main characters so let's focus on EVERYONE," is one of the things I saw as being the biggest problems with the season. I personally thought Nanoha and Fate should have been dropped back to supporting roles and let the forwards be the main characters. And if they weren't going to do that, they probably shouldn't have brought the new kids in at all. As it was, nobody really got enough focus in Strikers. Everyone got just enough to make it plain how things could have been interesting if they had been the main character, but not enough for them to actually BE the main character.
But that's an old discussion. Strikers was three years ago (good gracious, it's been that long?! :twitch: ) and I'm sure complaints about it have been well-aired.
So... how about those Force scans and a timeline for a translation? Heh.
Yes, let's think about those. And I wouldn't mind some Vivid ones too.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-05, 22:16
Yes, let's think about those. And I wouldn't mind some Vivid ones too.
I'm waiting specifically for the ViVid ones xD, i hope Nove's "training menu" thing pass quickly to finally get to the famous tournament. Miura, Shante and Gang leader girl has made their appearances finally and i'm wating for Victoria and Misterious Hooded girl to make their entrance too xD, things are suddenly starting to get fun.
Archon_Wing
2010-12-05, 22:26
The lack of proper focus in Strikers, or rather insistence that "they're all main characters so let's focus on EVERYONE," is one of the things I saw as being the biggest problems with the season. I personally thought Nanoha and Fate should have been dropped back to supporting roles and let the forwards be the main characters. And if they weren't going to do that, they probably shouldn't have brought the new kids in at all. As it was, nobody really got enough focus in Strikers. Everyone got just enough to make it plain how things could have been interesting if they had been the main character, but not enough for them to actually BE the main character.
Well to be fair, I think StrikerS almost accomplished it. Had the plot been tighter, I think it would be fine. However, your way would have probably been better.
I do understand characters suffering dilluted development is very frustrating, but all the issues that happened in StrikerS seems to me about the writing rather than on anyone stealing anyone else's spotlight... of course there was just so little time for everyone.
Now if one were to say they can't think of anything, so they must rely on Fate since she sells, I could see that kinda. But honestly, I don't see the franchise taking that path (especially factoring in the mangas). Except possibly the movie, but I'd rather find about later movies before jumping to that conclusion.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-05, 22:46
* Kouritsu Lyrical Gakuen / Lyrical public school (to be scanned)-> story by Masaki Tsuzuki / art by Asuka Kanan
* Mahou Senki Force Dimension (same as what can be found in Nyantype every month)
* Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha comic A la carte Ou no mesame / Awakening of the king (to be scanned)
* Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha comic A la carte Vivio's plan (to be scanned)
So, nothing new abot those ones? ....Public School AU sounds funny xD
No, just be patient. Scanning takes work and time, and we're lucky to have what we get. :3
Dark Wing
2010-12-05, 23:23
No, just be patient. Scanning takes work and time, and we're lucky to have what we get. :3
aers is right however it seems that people don't understand that up until a decade ago you had to wait weeks just to get untranslated mediocre scans...:rolleyes:
My how lucky we are in this day and age.
Random Wanderer
2010-12-05, 23:46
aers is right however it seems that people don't understand that up until a decade ago you had to wait weeks just to get untranslated mediocre scans...:rolleyes:
My how lucky we are in this day and age.
Welcome to the internet. We live in an age built increasingly towards instant-gratification.
However, I don't think Akiyoshi's comment was intended as a complaint, but rather a hopeful query.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-05, 23:57
However, I don't think Akiyoshi's comment was intended as a complaint, but rather a hopeful query.
That's right, i find very relaxing to have all those special chapters and short stories, it gives me the oportunity to read more about Nanoha without thinking too much on FORCE or waiting for ViVid to advance with the plot. ViVid Memory EX. is pretty good on the nostalgic side of things and i find Fatal Fate amusing, so i'm wating excited the rest of the celebration shorts waiting for more enjoyable things to read.
I gotta say this about Teana and how people are laughing about her reactions in StrikerS and how it was overdone...
Teana was at the lowest point of her confidence, her mind kept going over how people said her arts and her brother was WORTHLESS and it didn't help that she was surrounded by freaking abnormal MONSTERS in magic that she felt pathetic in comparison.
Combine it all together, and well, think about it, her reactions were perfectly *gasp* NORMAL!!
Compare that to the 9 year old Nanoha who goes "I did my best. It wasn't enough, I'll have to try even harder from now on."
If you think about it, most EVERYONE in this series has emotional problems somewhere along the line.
itanshi1
2010-12-06, 01:21
Yeah, lots of 'being there for each other', 'getting each other through it', 'making a family together no matter what shape it takes' Nanoha's family started off awkward, we know the backstory there in triangle heart and now the movie/movie manga, and it went on from there. It's all logical progression. The enemies are even exhibiting these elements.
Justin_Brett
2010-12-06, 08:12
Also, one thing I forgot to mention about 12: is it just me, or is that claw thingy Touma tried to hit Nanoha with very similar to Veyron's?
I gotta say this about Teana and how people are laughing about her reactions in StrikerS and how it was overdone...
To be fair, Signum Punch actually had me falling off my chair laughing for no other reason than the intention (man Teana up and set her straight) being kinda lost in the delivery.
Tiresias
2010-12-06, 09:45
Having fallen to the temptation of reading Force 12 raw...
Now this is what made me attracted to MSLN in the first place: battle, explosions, frikin' laser beams! :D And I know I've said this before, but those air intakes makes those jugs look more firm!:love:
And Isis attacks uses Butterfly motifs? Now usually I would consider them less than intimidating but considering the Japanese association with butterflies...more asskicking please! :p
Akiyoshi
2010-12-06, 10:24
I don't want to feel into temtation so i hope it gets translated soon, finally some MUCH needed Nanoha awesomeness.
Takamura Mamoru
2010-12-06, 10:42
To be fair, Signum Punch actually had me falling off my chair laughing for no other reason than the intention (man Teana up and set her straight) being kinda lost in the delivery.
I lol'd pretty hard too.
Simply because punching someone for being a whiny emo is just... satisfying. Signum didn't even have much to do with Teana, she just... punched her when she saw her whining. And then said something like "Idiots who keep fretting will only take advantage of you if you keep putting up with them."
Awesome.
prescience
2010-12-06, 12:36
And Isis attacks uses Butterfly motifs? Now usually I would consider them less than intimidating but considering the Japanese association with butterflies...more asskicking please! :p
My first mental association was with the Cowboy Bebop movie :heh:
Where can I get force 12 raw
Forum policy forbids asking about raws, even for unlicensed works. You probably want to remove this before a mod sees it.
And Isis attacks uses Butterfly motifs? Now usually I would consider them less than intimidating but considering the Japanese association with butterflies...more asskicking please! :p
Sup (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT6KJJAZzp8)
http://b.imagehost.org/t/0526/CherryBlossom.jpg (http://b.imagehost.org/view/0526/CherryBlossom)
Forum policy forbids asking about raws, even for unlicensed works. You probably want to remove this before a mod sees it.
Actually, I believe the policy is to not GIVE them out publicly.
Though, yeah, it's probably best to err on the side of caution.
Justin_Brett
2010-12-06, 15:02
Really, this is Nanoha we're talking about. Even without that Death and Rebirth business, the more something is girly, the greater the likelihood it can destroy you.
And Isis attacks uses Butterfly motifs? Now usually I would consider them less than intimidating but considering the Japanese association with butterflies...more asskicking please! :p
Actually, butterflies can be interesting. I'm reminded of Papillion from Busou Renkin, whose power was to create a gunpowder-like substance, fashion it into butterflies, and control them to fly at his foes.
Youtube music vid link of him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh3CQ8OV2vA
He's a bit of a gag character, but still surprisingly effective in combat. I envision Isis forming her puffs of gas into butterflies and controlling them. It could be quite effective.
Archon_Wing
2010-12-06, 15:18
To be fair, Signum Punch actually had me falling off my chair laughing for no other reason than the intention (man Teana up and set her straight) being kinda lost in the delivery.
That really annoyed me even though I laughed. It's like she clearly has issues, and everyone's like "cool story sis" and just beats the crap out of her. Well, at least she has her moment taking out 3 of the numbers though. :cool:
mielipuoli
2010-12-06, 16:16
Just to comment, I admit I couldn't help but picture Isis/Pappy after reading this chapter. The latter of which, I might add, is excessively awesome; the best part to the idea of that particular pairing is that they could even share costumes. No, really!
Then I heard the sound-clip of Schwarzenegger shouting "Stop whining!" and pictured it dubbed over Signumpunch. Aaaaand....well, yeah. I think I need my medication.
Archon_Wing
2010-12-06, 16:37
You just made me imagine Arnold voicing Signum. :heh:
NorthernFallout
2010-12-06, 16:39
"GET TO DA CHOPPA!" *signumpunch*
Archon_Wing
2010-12-06, 16:47
Sigh, it's times like these that warrant a gag dub.
Sigh, it's times like these that warrant a gag dub.
"here's the two new members to the Arthra for the rest of the season. Ferret boy."
"HEY!"
"And the main character."
"OBEY ME!"
Sup (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT6KJJAZzp8)
http://b.imagehost.org/t/0526/CherryBlossom.jpg (http://b.imagehost.org/view/0526/CherryBlossom)
First thing that popped into my mind too.
That really annoyed me even though I laughed. It's like she clearly has issues, and everyone's like "cool story sis" and just beats the crap out of her.
lol, that's exactly the kind of shit you would see in a Simpsons episode. "Hey guys, we should feel sorry for her! Nevermind *beattheshitoutofteana*"
Akiyoshi
2010-12-07, 11:34
Personally i felt that it came out of nowhere(presicely because Signum have little to nothing connection with Teana at the time), but i still find it quite shocking and funny, apparently Signum doesn't care for dramatic scenes because she just punched Teana when she attempts to start her dramatic monologue.
Maybe in the near future if Signum suffer an Heroic BSOD as a result of FORCE Ch. 7, Teana will punch her out of it in retribution(at least is cheaper than bring back Zest or Reinforce Eins as Obi-Wans for Signum & Agito xDU).
EDIT: Oh besides, who sent me a reputation comment two days ago? now i have a permanent message on my User CP that says "Hey, Cypha's awesome. :p", imagining me reading that everyday XP ....there's no way to erase that?
Justin_Brett
2010-12-07, 12:24
Oh god. A Fate Worse Than Death.
Blank-Mage
2010-12-07, 14:51
Oh god. A Fate Worse Than Death.
Sounds like a fan-fic to me, someone get on that.
00-Raiser
2010-12-07, 15:16
EDIT: Oh besides, who sent me a reputation comment two days ago? now i have a permanent message on my User CP that says "Hey, Cypha's awesome. :p", imagining me reading that everyday XP ....there's no way to erase that?
You can ask a mod to remove it, but I'll be frank and say they probably won't because it's an incredibly stupid reason you want it removed. Seriously, if you get so worked up over that, you need to step back and re-evaluate things. You shouldn't get so worked up over characters that aren't real.
Anyways, Movie 1st chapter 13 has been scanlated. Nanoha uses her Starlight Breaker, and that's about it.
Page claim for Starlight Breaker
Personally i felt that it came out of nowhere(presicely because Signum have little to nothing connection with Teana at the time), but i still find it quite shocking and funny, apparently Signum doesn't care for dramatic scenes because she just punched Teana when she attempts to start her dramatic monologue.
...
If you want to play the mecha ref game you could say that it was the Bright slap of the franchise.
More seriously i think it was supposed to show the no nonsense side of Signum, a bit like the conversion with Vice that went more or less:
V: "hey Nee-san why arent you training them ?"
S: "i dont have much to teach them, i can only teach them how to get close to an enemy and hit it hard in the face"
V: ":uhoh::heh:".
Akiyoshi
2010-12-07, 15:46
You can ask a mod to remove it, but I'll be frank and say they probably won't because it's an incredibly stupid reason you want it removed. Seriously, if you get so worked up over that, you need to step back and re-evaluate things. You shouldn't get so worked up over characters that aren't real.
Nah, i think i'm gonna be well as long as i avoid using my User CP as much as possible xD(and you're right about it being a stupid reason to go an bother the moderators xDU), also if you send me more reputation messages that hideous thing will soon abandon the "Latest Reputation Received" board xD. So, send me reputation messages! even negative ones are welcome, as long as it don't have any references to to the FORCE Ch.7 or to a certain eye-patched smug snake, i don't mind about the content xD.
If you want to play the mecha ref game you could say that it was the Bright slap of the franchise.
More seriously i think it was supposed to show the no nonsense side of Signum, a bit like the conversion with Vice that went more or less:
V: "hey Nee-san why arent you training them ?"
S: "i dont have much to teach them, i can only teach them how to get close to an enemy and hit it hard in the face"
V: ":uhoh::heh:".
I didn't know much about old mecha references but i know of rhe legendary brightslap thanks to a video of youtube that puts that scene and Signum Punch side to side to compare. and yes, it probably the scene meants to give a glimpse of Signum's straightforwardness as a knight xD.
for those curious this is the video i'm talking about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWF-zysHXXY
Enjoy it
EDIT: I thinked Signum's answer to Vice is more along the lines of "I'm an old knight. [...] All I can teach them is to get up close and slice the enemy to pieces."
Akiyoshi, you should watch out...
Otherwise some jokers are going to rep you like 10 times with nothing but mentionings of Cypha. XD
Akiyoshi
2010-12-07, 16:04
Akiyoshi, you should watch out...
Otherwise some jokers are going to rep you like 10 times with nothing but mentionings of Cypha. XD
xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!
That makes this place sounds like 4chan xDU
EDIT: Just to confirm, the reputation option is only a "popularity" thing right? it didn't affect my rights and restrictions as a user?
00-Raiser
2010-12-07, 16:14
xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!
That makes this place sounds like 4chan xDU
EDIT: Just to confirn, the reputation is only a "popularity" thing right? it didn't affect my rights and restrictions as a user?
Nope, it doesn't affect anything. You can just disable the rep if you want.
Still, I'm sorry Akiyoshi but your attitude is reminding me of the NanoFate fans when I first joined this site. I had put up a Yuunoha signature, which resulted in attempts to convince me to remove it. I was told things like how everyone is a NanoFate fan, and they come here to enjoy themselves, but by just seeing my Yuunoha sig, that fun is ruined and they become deeply hurt by it, etc etc. Even though there's a method to hide specific signatures, that wasn't good enough either because there were people who browse AS but don't have an account. Essentially it boiled down to "Your sig is hurting people so you should remove it and if you don't you're just a troll!"
You aren't exactly that bad yet, but if the mere sight of positive regard for Cypha is enough to bother you like that, well...
EDIT: Oh, and just click the arrow next to your rep point number and you'll hide the box.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-07, 16:32
You aren't exactly that bad yet, but if the mere sight of positive regard for Cypha is enough to bother you like that, well...
Then i owe you an apologize, i'm sorry Raiser.
Is not positive regard of Cypha specifically what bothers me, it's positive regard of Cypha on a personal space like my "User CP"(it's like someone come to my home and put images of the chapter on my house windows xDU), but you tell there's an option to cancel that so the problem is over. Also, even in spite of the countless times we disagree on various things i must admit you're one of the more conservative, well minded users around here, even when you contradict people you put up your points and made arguments worth to think on. That's why i like Animesuki(that and the fact that i'm able to post smileys here without being called a **ggot everytime i do it xDU) and that's why i rest of this place somtimes, about the FORCE Ch. 7 incident and Cypha is a personal bias i have so don't mind that much and sorry again if i offended you somehow.
Besides, the Cypha thing comment is more in a humorous fashion, i'm a bit more relaxed now(thanks greatly to the movie) so move on, there's still no news on the rest of the special celebration chapters?(sorry for insisting but it's the most interesting thing i'm looking for right now xDU).
EDIT: Oh, and just click the arrow next to your rep point number and you'll hide the box.
Got it! ;)
Justin_Brett
2010-12-07, 17:01
Eh. I have what Aki has, except any time an image of her appears.
At least she deserves it more. Which is to say, at all.
Random Wanderer
2010-12-07, 19:25
Teana was out of line when she started yelling at Nanoha that time, especially since she was doing it in front of the rest of the team. If she wanted to air her grievances she should have done so in private. Yes, I know she hadn't had a chance to do so yet, but that doesn't change the fact that that was not the time or place to try to have an undisciplined argument with a superior officer.
Second, she was wrong about several of the key points of what she was worked up about. She needed to be set straight, but she was in no emotional condition to listen to anything she was told, which leads to my third point.
Third, Teana was at the point becoming hysterical, and needed something to shock her enough to snap her out of it. The standard approach to snap someone out of that is to slap them in the face, so Signum's punch was not unprecedented. It also served as disciplinary action, because as I said, Teana had no business yelling at her commanding officer like that.
Now, it came off as rather direct and cold, because that's Signum's personality, but something like that punch was indeed warranted in that situation.
Fourth, Signum also knew Teana had attacked Nanoha after the exercise was over and Nanoha had sealed her device.
To have Teana whine after that was a bit much for Signum.
00-Raiser
2010-12-07, 20:42
I must have missed it because I skipped passed a lot of the text heavy posts, but are people taking issue with Signum punching Teana? Even a Teana fan like myself will admit that Signum wasn't out of line punching her like that. She certainly deserved it.
Now, Nanoha going so far as to hospitalize her, that was being excessive...
Tiresias
2010-12-07, 21:09
What they actually should have done was to send her to counseling, but apparently TSAB military health care doesn't cover that :uhoh:
Cheapskates
LoweGear
2010-12-07, 21:10
If you think ANYTHING that happened in training in StrikerS is harsh, you haven't yet seen what goes down in a real military academy. The types of punishments that gets around makes Signum's punch seem awfully mundane - Teana has yet to taste getting smacked with a nail-studded bat for no reason at all. The trend for current academy curriculum tends to be towards reducing the severity of punishment though (along with the reduction/removal of aforementioned hazing) as the years go by, with increasing emphasis in counselling. Still, physical damage tends to be part and parcel of military training still that goes beyond what many people think.
Still though, Signum's punch may be funny just because it actually is a punch, but it was a well-placed and well-deserved punch that Teana required right there.
Random Wanderer
2010-12-07, 21:25
Now, Nanoha going so far as to hospitalize her, that was being excessive...
Technically Teana hospitalized herself. Nanoha's shot wasn't meant to knock her out for more than a short period. It was the accumulated exhaustion from overworking herself and not sleeping that left Teana unconscious for the rest of the day. Shamal even said that Tia wasn't hurt at all, because Nanoha had been very careful to make sure her shots were not harmful. Nanoha's intention was to disable Tia, because that attack Tia was charging would likely have hit Subaru as well, who was standing defenseless right next to Nanoha. I believe Nanoha was trying to do with magic what Signum did with her punch: knock Tia out of her hysteria so someone could talk sense into her. Unfortunately, Teana's exhaustion left her out a lot longer than intended, delaying that conversation, and leaving unhappy feelings all around.
00-Raiser
2010-12-07, 21:34
I know that, but Teana was clearly out of it with the first blast. And then Nanoha blasts her again. My issue is if she really needed to shoot her twice.
And then there's when Signum did punch Teana, Nanoha got all worried and concerned to the point where Vita needed to hold her back. Um... yeah, Nanoha, you hit her way harder than that a few hours earlier...
Unless...
Nanoha: No one is allowed to hurt me students except me!
Akiyoshi
2010-12-07, 21:42
Technically Teana hospitalized herself. Nanoha's shot wasn't meant to knock her out for more than a short period. It was the accumulated exhaustion from overworking herself and not sleeping that left Teana unconscious for the rest of the day. Shamal even said that Tia wasn't hurt at all, because Nanoha had been very careful to make sure her shots were not harmful. Nanoha's intention was to disable Tia, because that attack Tia was charging would likely have hit Subaru as well, who was standing defenseless right next to Nanoha. I believe Nanoha was trying to do with magic what Signum did with her punch: knock Tia out of her hysteria so someone could talk sense into her. Unfortunately, Teana's exhaustion left her out a lot longer than intended, delaying that conversation, and leaving unhappy feelings all around.
Which ironically(and very probably intended) mirrors Nanoha's own falling after being received just a flesh wound courtesy of a Type-IV Gadget drone in the past, again Shari points out that the wound isn't that worse, it's her overextention with her training and combat method what makes her fall on critical condition but you already know that story. Nanoha see Teana walking the same path and did what she thinks necessary to put Tia away from it, and the result speak for itself, a physical harmless blast intended to just disable Teana knocks her own for a whole day because of her exhausted condition. Nanoha probably don't choice the correct method to go but the lesson she's trying to teach is very acceptable.
mielipuoli
2010-12-07, 21:42
In which case she might well have had to cool Signum's head too...
Akiyoshi
2010-12-07, 21:43
In which case she might well have had to cool Signum's head too...
It would be pretty funny and interesting to see Nanoha trying to do that xD.
Tiresias
2010-12-07, 21:46
If you think ANYTHING that happened in training in StrikerS is harsh, you haven't yet seen what goes down in a real military academy. The types of punishments that gets around makes Signum's punch seem awfully mundane - Teana has yet to taste getting smacked with a nail-studded bat for no reason at all. The trend for current academy curriculum tends to be towards reducing the severity of punishment though (along with the reduction/removal of aforementioned hazing) as the years go by, with increasing emphasis in counselling. Still, physical damage tends to be part and parcel of military training still that goes beyond what many people think.
The problem was that none of Nanoha's previous training conduct came close to real life military academy. Before, the only damage they would receive were from training, and she and Signum had been preferring the cool big sis attitude rather than the drill sergeant nasty one. So while the punch is completely normal in real-life, seeing it happen in the story was a quite ... unexpected. Not that I'm against it; if anything, they should've been sterner to the recruits from the beginning. They're lucky Teana snapped in the base; having your troops be emo in the combat zone, while standard for anime series, is just pathetic.
Y'know what's funny? The Strikers manga showed us that the cadence song used by the recruits was the one from Full Metal Jacket; Signum's punch and Nanoha's blast are nowhere as mentally scarring as Gunny Hartman's abuse :heh:
The problem was that none of Nanoha's previous training conduct came close to real life military academy. Before, the only damage they would receive were from training, and she and Signum had been preferring the cool big sis attitude rather than the drill sergeant nasty one. So while the punch is completely normal in real-life, seeing it happen in the story was a quite ... unexpected. Not that I'm against it; if anything, they should've been sterner to the recruits from the beginning. They're lucky Teana snapped in the base; having your troops be emo in the combat zone, while standard for anime series, is just pathetic.
This! One thousand times this!
Akiyoshi
2010-12-08, 02:17
The problem was that none of Nanoha's previous training conduct came close to real life military academy. Before, the only damage they would receive were from training, and she and Signum had been preferring the cool big sis attitude rather than the drill sergeant nasty one. So while the punch is completely normal in real-life, seeing it happen in the story was a quite ... unexpected. Not that I'm against it; if anything, they should've been sterner to the recruits from the beginning. They're lucky Teana snapped in the base; having your troops be emo in the combat zone, while standard for anime series, is just pathetic.
This! One thousand times this!
It's funny because i remeber a scene of the StrikerS manga where Vita calls Nanoha exactly on this xDU. She reclaims that she's too soft with the forwards and Nanoha's answer is that she's already accustomed to the "Drill Sergeant" attitude but believes that "if we have time for scream and being rude to the cadets, maybe we can focus that effort and time on teaching them more valuable and usefull things". Vita, being Vita, was only half-convinced of course xDU
EDIT: Page claimed for Half-convinced frowning Vita xD!
CrowKenobi
2010-12-08, 15:19
Just a reminder guys: Forum rule 4.4 (http://forums.animesuki.com/faq.php?faq=rules#faq_rules_4_4) and I have seen very little on-topic discussion lately... :eyebrow:
Takamura Mamoru
2010-12-08, 16:26
In which case she might well have had to cool Signum's head too...
We all know how that would end... (http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu328/Smokie1/nanohaowned.png?t=1291843533)
Akiyoshi
2010-12-09, 00:26
We all know how that would end... (http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu328/Smokie1/nanohaowned.png?t=1291843533)
LOL! *saving*
well it's a long debate but clearly Nanoha is one of the strongest and hardest opponet's(if not the hardest) Signum can face, in a's she had an awful advantage over Nanoha(being some sort of Fate+1) but now, adult Nanoha is an ALL range expert not only mid-long, Signum is quick and awfully strong but Nanoha have a myriad of options to handle the majority of situations Signum can put her into. On their combat Signum prevails because of her skill, that's for sure, but also thanks to her godawful Belkan toughness(almost any other opponet could've fallen down after receiving a Blaster-1 powered Strike Stars Assault while binded ...at POINT BLANK! ...gosh even Signum comments "Good grief, you monster ...i tought i was going to die back there"), at the end things ended in comical fashion but a serious combat between those two will be a very close one and a true test for Signum.
Scarletknive
2010-12-09, 04:43
sigh rules are rules...argh i hope can see scanlation of force 12 TT
Takamura Mamoru
2010-12-09, 09:35
^^ Well, Signum has a device mode for all ranges too.
Although it's obvious where their preferences lie. Nanoha is best at long-range combat and Signum best at close-range combat.
I do agree that Nanoha has a more well-rounded skill set, which Signum lacks. That is also the reason why Signum's not a good teacher, she really only knows the "basic" fighting, although she's godlike at it.
Xellos-_^
2010-12-09, 14:04
LOL! *saving*
well it's a long debate but clearly Nanoha is one of the strongest and hardest opponet's(if not the hardest) Signum can face, in a's she had an awful advantage over Nanoha(being some sort of Fate+1) but now, adult Nanoha is an ALL range expert not only mid-long, Signum is quick and awfully strong but Nanoha have a myriad of options to handle the majority of situations Signum can put her into. On their combat Signum prevails because of her skill, that's for sure, but also thanks to her godawful Belkan toughness(almost any other opponet could've fallen down after receiving a Blaster-1 powered Strike Stars Assault while binded ...at POINT BLANK! ...gosh even Signum comments "Good grief, you monster ...i tought i was going to die back there"), at the end things ended in comical fashion but a serious combat between those two will be a very close one and a true test for Signum.
Remember in A's when Nanoha did StarLight Breaker right in Rein's face?
ChronoReverse
2010-12-09, 14:28
The interesting thing is that Signum clearly took more clothing damage than Nanoha. Somehow the impact dizzied Nanoha while Signum shrugged off the impact.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-09, 14:33
Remember in A's when Nanoha did StarLight Breaker right in Rein's face?
It was Excellion Buster, not SLB, still that was Nanoha at her limits using the then dangerous Excellion mode and manage to set the attack thanks to her first real close range attack(ACS Driver) and to Reinforce attitude of tanking everything xD. I don't think someone else would be foolish enough to simply stay still to receive that monstrosity.
As an adult Nanoha have a much more complete array of spells wich she uses to great effect to deal with close combatants(Signum, Vita, Subaru and Einhart are good examples), also she's more skilled in using and chaining spells to counterattack them(the way she combines Round Shield and restrict Lock to trap Signum was very impressive), i'm not saying child Nanoha doesen't have means to fight at close range(she defeats Fate, a close combat expert, after all) but her preferences and weaknesses as a mid-long mage are more noticeable(Fate, Vita and the Lieze Twins all take advantage of this at one point or another), after the 10 year gap she apparently developed means of covering said weaknesses or made them to work on her favour. At the end is like Takamura says, even if Nanoha has developed close range capabilities she still demonstrates her max prowess at mid-long wich is her field of expertise.
Justin_Brett
2010-12-09, 17:19
The interesting thing is that Signum clearly took more clothing damage than Nanoha. Somehow the impact dizzied Nanoha while Signum shrugged off the impact.
Signum is probably just more used to taking hits than Nanoha.
Bananoha
2010-12-09, 19:03
Manga thread ever keeping on-topic? Absurd!
http://piclair.com/data/vvpbx.jpg
blah stuff insert excuses of being in bed for past two days etc. etc.
Will still try to get Memory;ex out sometime before Christmas. Already have translations, just need to get better do the rest nau. =w=
Tiresias
2010-12-09, 19:47
Manga thread ever keeping on-topic? Absurd!
http://piclair.com/data/vvpbx.jpg
blah stuff insert excuses of being in bed for past two days etc. etc.
Will still try to get Memory;ex out sometime before Christmas. Already have translations, just need to get better do the rest nau. =w=
just want to make sure: it really is Excellence instead of Excellion?
And Isis' naming sense kinda reminds me of Sailor Moon :heh: But like mention before: butterflies in a japanese-made story = run for your lives!
00-Raiser
2010-12-09, 20:57
Excellence sounds right to me! (www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9eUcUIUcGo#t=0m46s)
So Nanoha had met Thoma in person before. That doesn't exactly match up with Nanoha refering to him as "that kid Subaru always talks about" in an earlier chapter, though...
I think Arnage's outcry is a pretty telling moment.
Damn these half chapter. Who the hell thought it was a good idea? =/
Justin_Brett
2010-12-09, 22:25
I have absolutely no idea what site that picture is of.
So Nanoha had met Thoma in person before. That doesn't exactly match up with Nanoha refering to him as "that kid Subaru always talks about" in an earlier chapter, though...
Why? Many people refer like that even about people they met before. "N's brother", "cutie M always hang with", etc, etc, etc...
00-Raiser
2010-12-09, 22:54
But she's apparently familiar enough with him to address him by name and ask him "Do you remember me?" Her comments in earlier chapters implied that she only knew of him through Subaru talking about him and showing her pictures.
Rising Dragon
2010-12-09, 23:01
Maybe all the little children just start to blend in Nanoha's mind, considering how often Fate and Genya seem to take in strays.
itanshi1
2010-12-09, 23:02
I have absolutely no idea what site that picture is of.
Google it.
Yay Bananoha! Thanks a lot for your work!
mielipuoli
2010-12-10, 00:03
Maybe she knows Subaru mentioned her to Thoma - I mean, she IS one of Subaru's personal heroes.
00-Raiser
2010-12-10, 01:25
I'm sure Subaru did, but Nanoha did say "It's been awhile."
Justin_Brett
2010-12-10, 01:29
Google it.
Yay Bananoha! Thanks a lot for your work!
I'm sorry if I missed something obvious (and I already got an answer from someone else), but Google what, exactly? The filename turns up nothing, and there's no real indication of where that form is from?
Rising Dragon
2010-12-10, 01:31
I'm sorry if I missed something obvious (and I already got an answer from someone else), but Google what, exactly? The filename turns up nothing, and there's no real indication of where that form is from?
Didn't you get the PM I sent you about it?
Justin_Brett
2010-12-10, 01:39
That's what I meant by 'someone else'.
Rising Dragon
2010-12-10, 01:44
That's what I meant by 'someone else'.
Yeah I'm blind tonight. 48 hours without sleep makes me an idiot. >.>
But she's apparently familiar enough with him to address him by name and ask him "Do you remember me?" Her comments in earlier chapters implied that she only knew of him through Subaru talking about him and showing her pictures.
Nah, it actually didn't . Only that she don't know him well and he is just "that one guy". She could know him only second hand or she could meet him several times but still not be close acquaintance - which she do confirm here, "do you remember me" is somebody you met once or twice... "that one guy".
Thanks for the scanlation Bananoha.
I'm sure Subaru did, but Nanoha did say "It's been awhile."
She could have met him only a few time while he was still a kid ?
Akiyoshi
2010-12-10, 11:10
Interesting chapter, so Excellence is the name of the shield-mounted cannon. Probably it's because the fight just started but i feel uneasy at the clash of Tohma and Nanoha's new styles, the next chapter will be the part two of the fight(i hope) or probably it will focus more on the fight between Arnage and Isis. When the former battle continues it will be grat to see more flexibility between the fighters(they're too straight for the momtent: Tohma hits, Nanoha shields, Nanoha fires, Tohma receives, i mean they're aerial fighters they have plenty of sky to move around, well i'm not waiting for something so beautifully depicted as the Fate VS Nanoha fight on the MOVIE 1st manga but i hope they can come close enough). Nanoha already confirmed Tohma as a close range type so i'm expecting something good(and, hopefully, some Nanoha GARness it doesen't look like she's putting much effort in fighting her attacks looks to automatized, i want my Divine Buster sequence with big screams and determined firing position xD).
Isis's Butterflies of Doom on the other hand looks promising, she seems to be a more direct fighter.
Takamura Mamoru
2010-12-10, 11:16
"Sorry Touma, this is going to hurt a bit."
Classic Nanoha!
... Maybe it's just me, but I have a really, really hard time taking Isis seriously in any way when her Device is named 'Puffy'. I'm sorry.
Justin_Brett
2010-12-10, 11:29
Wait, Arnage can fly!? And she's scared of heights!?
...that's just silly.
I guess she IS Seolla, then; wonderful.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-10, 11:49
... Maybe it's just me, but I have a really, really hard time taking Isis seriously in any way when her Device is named 'Puffy'. I'm sorry.
I know how you feel, but at least it looks like Isis's device is supporting her unlike the other battle where Nanoha is apparently supporting the Fortress Mode.
Interesting motif on Isis. The perfume is obviously non-magical, so it should be somewhat effective, but forming it into butterflies has to be part magical. Unless she really is full cyborg and that's part of her IS, although she didn't say anything about an IS.
Nanoha is classic Nanoha, though, and I'm loving it. This part of Force is really getting interesting for me; Isis's magic, Nanoha clashing, Hayate up there casting a new big spell (Heimdall) which is supposed to bring down a ship.... Really can't wait to see how everything goes down.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-10, 12:11
Probably Isis don't know how an IS is and uses it without calling it like that xD. About Hayate i'm intrgued too, she's gonna a fire a magic spell attempting to bring down an Anti-Magic Ship, intersting indeed.
Blank-Mage
2010-12-10, 12:34
Although Arnage seemed pretty ticked at Nanoha, her choice of words gave me the impression that what she really hates is false hope. ("There's no way you can save him!") Another sign of potential befriending, or am I just reading into things too far?
Akiyoshi
2010-12-10, 12:37
Although Arnage seemed pretty ticked at Nanoha, her choice of words gave me the impression that what she really hates is false hope. ("There's no way you can save him!") Another sign of potential befriending, or am I just reading into things too far?
Probably, i also get the impression that she's desperately trying to discourage them from saving him.
Still i like that Fortis remarks about the Hucks invulnerability, i think it will be forgotten after Cypha's display of it in favour of showing the Fortress mode awesomeness, but gladly i was wrong.
Justin_Brett
2010-12-10, 13:39
As I said, just like Seolla - deaf to all reason other than what she thinks.
And I wouldn't be terrible surprised if Heimdall ended up completely failing, or not getting cast at all.
00-Raiser
2010-12-10, 14:19
But unlike Seolla, Arnage isn't a total bitch and knows how to kick back and have fun with people she supposedly likes.
Though if Nanoha does save Thoma I guess it could result in "What? They saved him just like that? But if we can be saved that way... What have we been doing this whole time?!"
itanshi1
2010-12-10, 14:31
Seems an apt time for her patented technique to falter :3
Justin_Brett
2010-12-10, 15:08
But unlike Seolla, Arnage isn't a total bitch and knows how to kick back and have fun with people she supposedly likes.
Though if Nanoha does save Thoma I guess it could result in "What? They saved him just like that? But if we can be saved that way... What have we been doing this whole time?!"
Just so long as she doesn't employ the same idiot logic.
"Lat, you're being brainwashed! I'll prove it to you by firing directly at your cockpit!
...why are you shooting back at me!? You're more brainwashed than I thought!"
And eh, I'd bet there's more to it than just that.
00-Raiser
2010-12-10, 15:08
Seems an apt time for her patented technique to falter :3
I'd like to see that happen, too. I think Thoma's been set up as being completely immune to Nanoha's usual tactics so I hope she'll have to come up with something new.
@Justin_Brett: I was refering more to how she treats Arado. "Oh, I'm in love with you and I'm gonna show it by treating you like shit 99.999% of the time!"
Fucking tsunderes.
Justin_Brett
2010-12-10, 15:25
Beat You Up And Play It For Laughs Tsunderes are really the worst kinds. Thank god Vita and Teana don't really do that.
And apparently Nanoha's line of reasoning is that if she can destroy the book (or disable it to be reprogrammed, because clearly something's wrong with it), Touma will be alright. Seems pretty logical.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-10, 17:09
And apparently Nanoha's line of reasoning is that if she can destroy the book (or disable it to be reprogrammed, because clearly something's wrong with it), Touma will be alright. Seems pretty logical.
Well, at least for now i think is safe to assume that Nanoha is again the most competent and effective member of the cast(fighting against freakin Tohma while the others are stalling the Huckebein), it will be interesting to see if she can do the miracle right on this fight.
Beat You Up And Play It For Laughs Tsunderes are really the worst kinds. Thank god Vita and Teana don't really do that.
Yep, gladly they don't do that(well, Teana abuses Subaru sometimes albeit in a friendly manner xDU), i'll think doesen't help if a confess to be a fan of Toradora xDU.
Yasanagi
2010-12-10, 18:08
So... where did Deville go? Already got demoted to extra?
Random Wanderer
2010-12-10, 18:26
So... where did Deville go? Already got demoted to extra?
He'll show up when we least expect it. Probably to snatch Thoma away from Nanoha at the last second.
Does Arnage's yell mean "It's hopeless, nothing can save someone infected with Eclipse" or "We're the only ones who can help him, so stop getting in our way"? She seems rather anguished at the end, there.
So far she's the only Huckebain I think I might like.
00-Raiser
2010-12-10, 18:33
Does Arnage's yell mean "It's hopeless, nothing can save someone infected with Eclipse" or "We're the only ones who can help him, so stop getting in our way"? She seems rather anguished at the end, there.
I'd say it's the latter. Could possibly have several meanings: as mentioned before they do have means to supress the effects, but it could also mean they're the only ones capable of helping Thoma with his emotional issues since they're all in the same boat.
Like... "You normal people can't understand what he's going through!"
Dark Wing
2010-12-10, 18:41
I'm calling it now Thoma will regain control with nothing but the power of his will surprising everyone!
Who's with me?
00-Raiser
2010-12-10, 18:44
Unfortunately his will is kinda what started this mess in the first place...
Random Wanderer
2010-12-10, 18:49
I'm calling it now Thoma will regain control with nothing but the power of his will surprising everyone!
I don't know who this "everyone" is, but they are clearly unfamiliar with the genre if that surprises them. :p
I, however, consider that an unlikely end to this battle. That sort of event tends to require the hero to have a powerful incentive to overcome the problem, and right now the only people likely to be able to give him such an incentive are Subaru and Lily. But since he can't see or hear anyone, there's no way for him get that motivation from them.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-10, 18:54
I don't know who this "everyone" is, but they are clearly unfamiliar with the genre if that surprises them. :p
I, however, consider that an unlikely end to this battle. That sort of event tends to require the hero to have a powerful incentive to overcome the problem, and right now the only people likely to be able to give him such an incentive are Subaru and Lily. But since he can't see or hear anyone, there's no way for him get that motivation from them.
Maybe Nanoha manage to blast the Silver Book enough to allow Tohma to recognize his surroindings and people xD?
mielipuoli
2010-12-10, 19:07
I rather hope not. Seriously, guys, this is just over one tankoubon's worth of manga so far. Yeah, all the other series have been short but they have told sidestories around the main arc, or else simply showed a single movie's worth of events in a manga. ViVid shows no signs of stopping anytime soon, and it would be a tremendous letdown for Force to do that right here.
This is not the end.
Yasanagi
2010-12-10, 19:18
I say Thoma does Renzokuken, does serious damage to Nanoha's equipment and forces her to go back to basics. :D
Blank-Mage
2010-12-10, 20:04
I say Thoma does Renzokuken, does serious damage to Nanoha's equipment and forces her to go back to basics. :D
[LIONHEART]
"Oh, this isn't good."
Akiyoshi
2010-12-10, 20:20
I rather hope not. Seriously, guys, this is just over one tankoubon's worth of manga so far. Yeah, all the other series have been short but they have told sidestories around the main arc, or else simply showed a single movie's worth of events in a manga. ViVid shows no signs of stopping anytime soon, and it would be a tremendous letdown for Force to do that right here.
This is not the end.
Don't worry, even if tohma recovers control there's alot of mysteries around: the lab people, Huckebein's backstoryes(ther's no villain in Nanoha without backstory and my bet is that these guys will be no exception), the complot to end the magic era, the true destroyers of Tohma's hometwon(if Fortis's word is that fiable), Book's of silver cross true motives, it's relation(if there any) with the tome of the Night sky, and many many more(oh yeah, and also that matter of Signum's return).
Maybe Tohma only regain control temporary, maybe regaining control accelerates the virus, there are many possibilities but i think that Tohma being back to his senses will be only the trigger to something bigger.
I say Thoma does Renzokuken, does serious damage to Nanoha's equipment and forces her to go back to basics. :D
OH YES PLEASE! xD
Tiresias
2010-12-10, 20:33
... Maybe it's just me, but I have a really, really hard time taking Isis seriously in any way when her Device is named 'Puffy'. I'm sorry.
Right. Since "Raising Heart" sounds really badass :heh:
Though admittedly White Perfume #7 really stretches it. But hey, maybe it fires acid cloud? Or belkan mustard gas? Or even just tear-gas, special mix? :p
Although Arnage seemed pretty ticked at Nanoha, her choice of words gave me the impression that what she really hates is false hope. ("There's no way you can save him!") Another sign of potential befriending, or am I just reading into things too far?
Hmm? I get more "you don't have any idea what you're talking about, woman!" vibes...
Maybe Nanoha manage to blast the Silver Book enough to allow Tohma to recognize his surroundings and people xD?
Possible. But even if that happen, I don't think it will cause him to instantly join Section 6. I'm still vouching for the "evil conspiracy to swoop in at the last second and screws everyone" prediction :D
ChronoReverse
2010-12-10, 20:38
Right. Since "Raising Heart" sounds really badass :heh:
True enough. That's why the entire cast calls it the far more badass RAGING HEART despite it canonically named Raising Heart. At least that's what it sounds like; it's not like the Japanese don't have a sound similar to 's' ;) (and Raging Heart has a native English speaking voice actor anyway).
Justin_Brett
2010-12-10, 20:46
I rather hope not. Seriously, guys, this is just over one tankoubon's worth of manga so far. Yeah, all the other series have been short but they have told sidestories around the main arc, or else simply showed a single movie's worth of events in a manga. ViVid shows no signs of stopping anytime soon, and it would be a tremendous letdown for Force to do that right here.
This is not the end.
Yeah, but on the same token, they'd better have the so-called protagonist become something other than a plot device again if they want him to be even remotely memorable. He's not even really fighting right now, just getting used as a puppet.
And for pete's sake, Aki, there IS no 'end of magic' subplot here. Quit saying so.
Dark Wing
2010-12-10, 20:59
I don't know who this "everyone" is, but they are clearly unfamiliar with the genre if that surprises them. :p
I, however, consider that an unlikely end to this battle. That sort of event tends to require the hero to have a powerful incentive to overcome the problem, and right now the only people likely to be able to give him such an incentive are Subaru and Lily. But since he can't see or hear anyone, there's no way for him get that motivation from them.
When I said "everyone" I was mostly talking about the surrounding cast members (The Huckebein and RF6)
It could happen maybe they'll pull the "voices reaching him in sprite" move...:heh:
Oh or better yet what if Deville is the person who triggers Thoma
And don't forget about Lily all that talk about her having to fuse with Thoma can't all be for nothing
Justin_Brett
2010-12-10, 21:07
I assume by 'they' you mean the good guys, right? I can't see him getting inspired by, say, Deville. >_>
Akiyoshi
2010-12-10, 21:12
And for pete's sake, Aki, there IS no 'end of magic' subplot here. Quit saying so.
"The poison that will kill the world" remember xD?
Nightengale
2010-12-10, 21:13
I wonder if the 'inability of visual and vocal recognition' that Thoma is having with his Thomanator Vision applies to the Huckies as well. to a much lesser extent.
"The poison that will kill the world" remember xD?
Lost Logias always have these fancy taglines. :p
How many LL have we seen actually 'destroy' a world? None, because that would had meant our main characters had lost. :3
Akiyoshi
2010-12-10, 21:14
I wonder if the 'inability of visual and vocal recognition' that Thoma is having with his Thomanator Vision applies to the Huckies as well. to a much lesser extent.
Much much lesser, they seem to be perfetcly able to recognize their surroindings and people near them(Cypha with her "public servant" mockery and Arnage with "Flatty" are good indicators).
EDIT: Page claimed for Badass basic Raising Heart!
DezoPenguin
2010-12-10, 21:16
I assume by 'they' you mean the good guys, right? I can't see him getting inspired by, say, Deville. >_>
I don't know; plenty of shounen heroes get inspired by the bad guy's Hannibal Lecture...inspired, that is, to suck it up, tap as-yet-unseen reserves of willpower and inner strength, and kick much bad-guy ass. Not quite the same thing here, but I can see Thoma pulling an, "I DON'T WANT TO LIVE THROUGH KILLING!" in response to some villainous statement and shutting the Eclipse effect down out of sheer "Because I'm The Protagonist!" will. :rolleyes: Please note that because I can see it as a possible outcome does not mean I actually approve of it. But hey, all of Force has been pretty much a question of which cliche they'll check off the list next (not unlike ViVid...it's just a question, really, of which list the reader likes better. :heh: ).
Justin_Brett
2010-12-10, 21:17
That would suck for Cypha - one eye in infrared.
Well, I meant like, in a positive way...but Veyron will probably end up doing it the other way for Touma, assuming they're even still opponents: it's a pretty tenuous relationship without the village destruction.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-10, 21:22
That would suck for Cypha - one eye in infrared.
Talking about that, his eye-patch looks too fancy to be a simple covering, maybe she's not one-eyed after all, probably that eye-patch conceal some sort of secret weapon or serves as a multi-purpouse visor(you know scope funciotns, scanner and the like).
Justin_Brett
2010-12-10, 21:25
...on the other hand, though, that would explain why none of the Hucks seem to recognize the Section Six people, even though they're probably quite famous at this point.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-10, 21:47
Or maybe they're only famous among the TSAB people, after all, Scaglietti's work on artificial mages and combat cyborgs seems to be a secret, also the details of the cradle, i doubt the information about the events ocurred during the J. S. incident are so wide spread.
The Huckebein themselves dosen't seem to know much about the TSAB apart of being an organization that rely on magic(udesrtandable since they do work as mercenaries among other things and probably are working in the shadow until now). Also the previous incidents that made the aces famous ocurred on Mid-Childa and Earth, so far the Huckebein apparetly have nothing to do with both worlds(and the plot is currently setted on Ruwela, a planet never mentioned on the franchise until now).
So at the end, probably people on Mid-Childa know something about the incident(they must be blind to not notice about a full scale attack on the base loceted in their capital city, or the colossal black dragon who wipes out the enemy forces), but i'm pretty sure the TSAB use their resources to prevent other world(and their own people) from obtaining too specific information.
00-Raiser
2010-12-10, 21:47
Talking about that, his eye-patch looks too fancy to be a simple covering, maybe she's not one-eyed after all, probably that eye-patch conceal some sort of secret weapon or serves as a multi-purpouse visor(you know scope funciotns, scanner and the like).
I bet it's really a creature that sucks away her energy so her fights will be more fun!
...on the other hand, though, that would explain why none of the Hucks seem to recognize the Section Six people, even though they're probably quite famous at this point.
A previous chapter showed that the Hucks knew who they are, they're just not impressed.
Also, holy crap! Why the hell did it take me this long to realise that Vivio is based off of Irui! >_<
Akiyoshi
2010-12-10, 21:51
I bet it's really a creature that sucks away her energy so her fights will be more fun!
...also preventing the virus to go full power, a last minute power-up huh? sounds interesting(i can see her pulling a "Raditz" pretending to surrender or to understand their enemy monologue only to backstab when the chance arise).
Justin_Brett
2010-12-10, 22:03
Oh, smugness, okay. Always an acceptable answer when it comes to these guys.
...man, Signum VS Ken would be INSANE.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-10, 22:08
...man, Signum VS Ken would be INSANE.
Ken? Ken Masters? Ken Ichijouji? Kenshin himura?
Nightengale
2010-12-10, 22:09
Not necessarily, as they are trying to keep the virus contained and not let it go beyond the breaking point. ( state of inability of recognition? ) Arnage's outburst does seem to point to that.
You would think Thoma's evolution ( higher state of infection or unique? ) would make them ecstatic if they wanted to have that kind of power too.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-10, 22:11
Not necessarily, as they are trying to keep the virus contained and not let it go beyond the breaking point. ( state of inability of recognition? ) Arnage's outburst does seem to point to that.
You would think Thoma's evolution ( higher state of infection or unique? ) would make them ecstatic if they wanted to have that kind of power too.
that's why i call it a "last minute power-up" when the options get exhausted and defeat is imminent, i think she will prefer a thousand times to shorten her life a little than let her to be killed/captured.
Still just a guessing, don't give it much attention xDU.
00-Raiser
2010-12-10, 22:19
Ken? Ken Masters? Ken Ichijouji? Kenshin himura?
Zaraki Kenpachi, who I was referencing with that eye patch comment I made.
We all know about the various SRW references in Nanoha, but I was on TV Tropes and I saw people saying that Cypha is an expy of Wilhem von Jurgen. Even as these things go, that's pretty absurd. About the only similarity is that they both put the Lamia character out of commission for awhile (Lamia presumed dead, Signum hospitalized), but beyond that nothing more. Cyha is a young woman, while Jurgen was an old man. Cypha took down Signum in a head on battle, while Jurgen took a cheap shot at Lamia while she was in the Alteisen's hand. He then got blown away by Duminas soon after. You really can't compare the two.
Now we just need to get Caro to whip up a special drink for Signum and she'll be back on her feet in no time after she's in a coma for a few hours!
Blank-Mage
2010-12-10, 22:29
Talking about that, his eye-patch looks too fancy to be a simple covering, maybe she's not one-eyed after all, probably that eye-patch conceal some sort of secret weapon or serves as a multi-purpouse visor(you know scope funciotns, scanner and the like).
Well, in anime, eyepatches hide some kind of crazy 90% of the time. Strike Witches, Naruto, Ikkitousen, Air Gear, Code Geass, Ghost in the Shell, Full Metal Alchemist, Bleach, Soul Eater, Tsubasa Chronicles, and if you count full on eyemasks, Fate Stay/Night. And those are just the ones I can remember off the top of my head.
Heck, I can only think of 2 characters who DON'T have some hidden eye-bility (:heh:) and one of them is our little knife-throwing friend Cinque.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-10, 22:32
Now we just need to get Caro to whip up a special drink for Signum and she'll be back on her feet in no time after she's in a coma for a few hours!
So, no epic comeback, no walk the path btween life and death scenario, no significant near-death experience, she only come back in comical fashion because of a special drink? ...no wonder why Lamia is so understimated after that incident xDU.
Justin_Brett
2010-12-10, 22:34
It's basically another riff on Cypha; despite taking out Lamia by luck, Juergen didn't accomplish much else, and went out like kind of a bitch. People want the same thing to happen to her, I guess.
Given the state of her character entry initially after Chapter 7, it's a remarkably subtle insult.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-10, 22:52
It's basically another riff on Cypha; despite taking out Lamia by luck, Juergen didn't accomplish much else, and went out like kind of a bitch. People want the same thing to happen to her, I guess.
Given the state of her character entry initially after Chapter 7, it's a remarkably subtle insult.
...and that's why i hope that the one-eyed, evil gloating, smuggy blonde we know didn't dissapoint like Juergen, she needs to demonstrate that she's able to be a temible villain with more merits than just slaying someone(it remainds me of Doomsday, sure is threatening and all but his only accomplisgment for a long time is being able to kill Superman and nothing else, ending up as a powerful but hollow character).
Justin_Brett
2010-12-10, 23:00
She and Veyron are kind of opposites in that regard so far; her bite is far worse than her bark, but he manages to be intimidating despite getting smacked around fairly easily.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-10, 23:05
because villains who gloat all around on how awesome they are stop being interesting quickly, Veyron is an underdog but the suspicious way he acts and the aura of mistery keep his image fresh and interesting.
Though admittedly White Perfume #7 really stretches it. But hey, maybe it fires acid cloud? Or belkan mustard gas? Or even just tear-gas, special mix? :p
Just a quick note: In the previous chapter, Puffy said that the only two gas mixtures were defensive equipment. So in this chapter, I think she's putting up some kind of shield to block Arnage's shots. For offensive, if she is a combat cyborg, I think she'll just punch Arnage.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-10, 23:23
Just a quick note: In the previous chapter, Puffy said that the only two gas mixtures were defensive equipment. So in this chapter, I think she's putting up some kind of shield to block Arnage's shots. For offensive, if she is a combat cyborg, I think she'll just punch Arnage.
Good old fistcuffs? ...DO WANT! xD
hat reminds me ...there will be a December chapter? usually mangas take a rest during xmas xDU.
Justin_Brett
2010-12-10, 23:35
because villains who gloat all around on how awesome they are stop being interesting quickly, Veyron is an underdog but the suspicious way he acts and the aura of mistery keep his image fresh and interesting.
Oh, you can gloat and be cool, it's just that most of Cypha's boasting is pretentious drivel. Kinda like Aizen, to use another Bleach character.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-10, 23:50
Yup, there's a few good examples out there, that's why i like comparing cypha to Envy from Fullmetal Alchemist, he/she's a dastardly dick killing and gloating all around and telling the heroes how pathetic they are. I used to hate him/her with a burning passion for killing ****s(you should know this already xDU) but he/she is so evily funny that i ended up hating him/her in an enterteining manner(in a "it's fun to hate Envy" kind of way). As for now, Cypha lacks that "charisma", only time can tell if she have what needs to become a memorable or at least an entertaining villain(a bit difficult for the moment because Arnage is stealing the show xD).
00-Raiser
2010-12-11, 01:43
Well, so far Cypha has backed up her boasting by taking out Signum. Envy never really had such an accomplishment, as the person he killed wasn't much of a combatant.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-11, 01:50
Well, so far Cypha has backed up her boasting by taking out Signum. Envy never really had such an accomplishment, as the person he killed wasn't much of a combatant.
Still Envy trashes around the Elric brothers almost on a constant basis until Mustang say hello xD. Still, i will take said backing up seriously when she beats someone able to actually fight back. (in that sense Signum is on the same situation of the guy Envy kills "taking a knife to a gunfight", the guy isn't an alchemist but he was a badass knife nut able to "kill" Lust and Gluttony in the blink of an eye, sadly his talents do nothing against a bullet, just like magic do nothing against full powered anti-magic).
Xellos-_^
2010-12-11, 01:51
Just a quick note: In the previous chapter, Puffy said that the only two gas mixtures were defensive equipment. So in this chapter, I think she's putting up some kind of shield to block Arnage's shots. For offensive, if she is a combat cyborg, I think she'll just punch Arnage.
the Universal Sign for Friendship.
I wonder if the 'inability of visual and vocal recognition' that Thoma is having with his Thomanator Vision applies to the Huckies as well. to a much lesser extent.
...
I would make the hypothesis that the "Thomanator Vision" is linked to the infection, as Thomas still havent kill anything his infection has rised trough the point he's nearly in berserk mode, since the Huckies are killing things regulary they dont suffer that much (that could also explain the you took so long that it forced me to kill the nuns line).
On another subject i wish i could draw, Setsuna from Gundam 00 would be all over Nanoha after seeing her in Forteress mode :)
Akiyoshi
2010-12-11, 01:59
It will be cool if we discover that Veyron is the leader of his own gang of dropouts, having a bunch of unique and loyal memebrs xD
Seems an apt time for her patented technique to falter :3
I can see that happen, yes. Though doing so would increase the irrational hatred against Thoma to gargantuan proportions.
I wonder if the 'inability of visual and vocal recognition' that Thoma is having with his Thomanator Vision applies to the Huckies as well. to a much lesser extent.
I think that's one of the things they can cure. After all, they still have to kill people to survive.
...on the other hand, though, that would explain why none of the Hucks seem to recognize the Section Six people, even though they're probably quite famous at this point.
In TSAB space, yes. But to quote Hitchhiker's Guide to the galaxy "Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space."
And with Stella confirming they haven't been doing much in TSAB space as of late, that means they've pretty much been outside of it. And since they don't care one bit about anyone not themselves, they haven't been keeping tabs on the TSAB's latest idols and heroines.
00-Raiser
2010-12-11, 10:56
Like I said, they did know about them.
Chapter 5, page 13:
Fortis: Seems like it's a reconstruction of the team that defeated the Cradle six years ago.
Lord Pertinax
2010-12-14, 00:39
Nothing about vivid episode 18?
Akiyoshi
2010-12-14, 01:07
Nothing about vivid episode 18?
Nope, but the chinese scans of ViVid 19 are finally out if that serves.
Lord Pertinax
2010-12-14, 01:37
Nope, but the chinese scans of ViVid 19 are finally out if that serves.
Thanks. I'll take a look then.
Nope, but the chinese scans of ViVid 19 are finally out if that serves.
Picked it up before I dropped by.
Ha ha "Close/Contact Mode" What a name! I wonder if it's a new feature developed from Unison Device research. That neatly answers how Cris is supposed to be used in fights.
Astion, Einhart's new Device, is nice, but Cris is still the cutest.
If you can get this chapter, you can compare Einhart's adjusted Barrier Jacket with her original in chapter 7. The new one is softer with less sharp edges and uses a ribbon to tie her hair.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-14, 11:09
Picked it up before I dropped by.
Ha ha "Close/Contact Mode" What a name! I wonder if it's a new feature developed from Unison Device research. That neatly answers how Cris is supposed to be used in fights.
Astion, Einhart's new Device, is nice, but Cris is still the cutest.
If you can get this chapter, you can compare Einhart's adjusted Barrier Jacket with her original in chapter 7. The new one is softer with less sharp edges and uses a ribbon to tie her hair.
Well each one have teir tastes i guess, Kris is obligatory cute but i find Tio more endearing(i always liked better cute-yet-rude things than simple cute ones xDU).
As for Einhart's new armor design is quite the opposite, i liked the old one better, she suffer the "good costume switch" syndrome, and indeed have less sharper edges, less pronounced shoulder parts along with more ribbons and a more "girlier" skirt compared with the "office" like one she have at the beginning(i'm the only one who thinks that the obligatory costume change to demonstrate that a villain turned good is also responsible for ruining a very cool villain costume the majority of the time?).
LoweGear
2010-12-14, 11:23
Porno binds confirmed canon. What's next, the technique coming from Chrono-
*SHOT*
Cute chapter is cute.
I nearly had to get insulin when I saw Rein, Agito and Hayate all smiling happily in the same frame.
HNNNNNGH!
Blank-Mage
2010-12-14, 16:12
Cute chapter is cute.
I nearly had to get insulin when I saw Rein, Agito and Hayate all smiling happily in the same frame.
HNNNNNGH!
ANY Rein/Agito pic is enough to induce Moe Overload.
RadiantBeam
2010-12-15, 17:31
Random question from someone who has been out of the Nanoha manga loop for a long, long while: how much catching up would I need to do to understand current events in Vivid and Force? The last I read in either one was when Touma met up with Subaru carrying Lily and Isis (if I remember right) and the girls getting ready for the tournament arc in... chapter 16, I think. I'll have free time once my finals are complete, so I'm figuring it's about time I started following the manga again.
Random question from someone who has been out of the Nanoha manga loop for a long, long while: how much catching up would I need to do to understand current events in Vivid and Force? The last I read in either one was when Touma met up with Subaru carrying Lily and Isis (if I remember right) and the girls getting ready for the tournament arc in... chapter 16, I think. I'll have free time once my finals are complete, so I'm figuring it's about time I started following the manga again.
Sounds like you're only one or two chapters behind in both of them, actually. Shouldn't take long to catch up at all.
RadiantBeam
2010-12-15, 18:05
Sounds like you're only one or two chapters behind in both of them, actually. Shouldn't take long to catch up at all.
That's a relief! :heh: I was really dreading what would happen if I had to catch up on a huge backlog, too...
00-Raiser
2010-12-15, 18:11
Unlike falling behind on anime that can set you back for hours, falling behind on manga can be remedied in a matter of minutes. Kinda what I like about reading manga. It's not very time consuming.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-15, 19:34
On the other hand, waiting for new manga chapters is a pain in the butt xDU
On the other hand, waiting for new manga chapters is a pain in the butt xDU
Better than a filler arc. Better than a filler arc. *Glares spitefully at Naruto*. The trauma never fades, sometimes...
Akiyoshi
2010-12-15, 19:54
...there are some good filler arcs(but none of them in Naruto xDU).
since StrikerS is original material i guess i can't label the "training arc" as filler xDU
Lord Pertinax
2010-12-15, 20:11
Better than a filler arc. Better than a filler arc. *Glares spitefully at Naruto*. The trauma never fades, sometimes...
Fillers= heresy. Call the inquisition.
00-Raiser
2010-12-15, 20:16
I like fillers myself. Let's us see the characters do stuff that's not restricted by the original storyline. D.Gray-man had some of the best.
Would I go for a weekly series of showing the Nanoha cast doing stuff that have nothing to do with the main plots of Force or Vivid? Hellz yes.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-15, 20:33
I like fillers myself. Let's us see the characters do stuff that's not restricted by the original storyline. D.Gray-man had some of the best.
Would I go for a weekly series of showing the Nanoha cast doing stuff that have nothing to do with the main plots of Force or Vivid? Hellz yes.
A series of Nanoha omakes? YES PLEASE! xD
Tiresias
2010-12-15, 21:17
Better than a filler arc. Better than a filler arc. *Glares spitefully at Naruto*. The trauma never fades, sometimes...
I agree. Reading Bleach was painful (which is why I stopped three years ago), watching Bleach was torture. And I still don't understand how they still need the "thirty minutes of all talk and no action" trick even after using fillers...
And regarding Nanoha, I personally preferred that they had taken the same approach the FMP:Second Raid approach; put the training montages and fluffy slice-of-life scenes as extra material (OVA or manga) so that they can cram all the fighting/combat/war drama and explosive action to the anime series.
...dammit, now I want OVA's based on the A's and Strikers mangas too...
Akiyoshi
2010-12-16, 00:47
And regarding Nanoha, I personally preferred that they had taken the same approach the FMP:Second Raid approach; put the training montages and fluffy slice-of-life scenes as extra material (OVA or manga) so that they can cram all the fighting/combat/war drama and explosive action to the anime series.
...dammit, now I want OVA's based on the A's and Strikers mangas too...
I want my Nanoha Fumoffu xD!
Kagayaki
2010-12-16, 01:09
Speaking of fillers/omake, there's a six page chapter from MGLN Comic A La Carte that recently got scanlated called Second Mother's Day. It's pretty cute. Fate's reaction faces are adorable XD
We do need a Nanoha slice of life series...
Speaking of fillers/omake, there's a six page chapter from MGLN Comic A La Carte that recently got scanlated called Second Mother's Day. It's pretty cute. Fate's reaction faces are adorable XD
We do need a Nanoha slice of life series...
That screamed "NanoFate" is canon.
Alas, despite being directed by Tsuzuki, it will never flow outside of the usual shippers.
00-Raiser
2010-12-16, 02:02
Heh, of course I'd contest the "screaming NanoFate is canon" part as the comic focused entirely on Fate and Vivio with no look at Nanoha and Fate's relationship.
Inconsistency to canon aside (in the M3 sound stage it was said how Fate was distancing herself from the mother role, while here she was worried about losing it), given how overblown and out of character Fate's reactions were, it's a bit hard to see it as an actual entry into the series. Sure it may be official, but so's the Haruhi-chan and Churuya-san mangas and those definitely aren't part of the original story.
But despite that, it was still a cute and humourous little short.
itanshi1
2010-12-16, 03:03
Well her questioning her role as mother may very well be part of her character :P
irregardless of her role in any other fashion :/
It's in-character for Fate within Vivid timeline. With Fate's whole reaction to seeing Vivio's henshin.
That aside, the manga didn't have to focus on Nanoha and Fate's direct relationship, since there was perspective on what Fate was thinking and how much Vivio considered Fate her mother(And the general teasing of Fate in regards to that by Nanoha and Vivio). Given Vivio's age, I think it says just as much about their relationship as Nanoha and Fate letting it out themselves.
But I'm not one to argue over the canonicity of NanoFate. That manga in particular sure makes them look like a pair, though.
itanshi1
2010-12-16, 03:10
just remmember, oprah and her best bud aren't gay :P
Nightengale
2010-12-16, 04:26
Official anthologies, despite being 'official' are pretty much just compiled fanfics.
Tiresias
2010-12-16, 04:28
Speaking of fillers/omake, there's a six page chapter from MGLN Comic A La Carte that recently got scanlated called Second Mother's Day. It's pretty cute. Fate's reaction faces are adorable XD
We do need a Nanoha slice of life series...
fumoffu! :p
While I still would prefer seeing ass-kicker Fate, a canonical shrieking and over-the-top Fate is still quite a refreshing change :heh:. Much more entertaining than the previous one (Fatal Fate? I kinda forgot the name)
This is stretching it, but since Tsuzuki seems to be on a Fate-centric streak I wonder if there would be Fate-mama(papa?) 2? Her other children could use some of the spotlight
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/771/flightofthetestarossas.th.jpg (http://img100.imageshack.us/i/flightofthetestarossas.jpg/)
Official anthologies, despite being 'official' are pretty much just compiled fanfics.
The story is written by Masaki Tsuzuki. The only thing fan related is the artwork.
Nightengale
2010-12-16, 08:41
The story is written by Masaki Tsuzuki. The only thing fan related is the artwork.
Your 2nd sentence doesn't make sense. If it's 'official', then regardless who does the artwork, the short would be an official Nanoha manga.
Even though it's written by Tsuzuki, the fact that it's published in an anthology of all things put suspect to whether or not it's 'official' or a 'doujin written by the official writer.'
As it is, I'd say it's 2 tiers lower than even the comedy Nanoha manga pages done by the guy who draws Subaru whirling her Revolver Knuckle and delusionally dreaming of her fake StrikerS movie.
Why do two women have to be gay and in a relationship to raise a child together anyway? I think it does a disservice to those close female friends out there who do decide to raise a child together, to assume they must be gay and in a relationship. ;p
Partly tongue-in-cheek, as I've seen that argument used before; just tossing it right back, heh.
But yeah, the short seems a bit out of canon, or at least Fate is being a bit inconsistent, considering part of Vivid being special, is that Fate is actually around at this time.
And Demi, no offense, but you'll see almost anything through "this must mean it's NanoFate!" glasses. :P
Alternate explanation: Fate is in the habit of rescuing orphans and making sure they are taken care of. Erio, Caro, and Vivio all fall into that, so she considers herself a bit of a mother in that respect to all of them. She'd gladly watch Vivio if Nanoha wasn't around, so the focus isn't in any sort of romantic relationship with Nanoha; the focus is in the relationship between Fate and Vivio. A subtle, but distinct difference.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-16, 11:43
Why do two women have to be gay and in a relationship to raise a child together anyway? I think it does a disservice to those close female friends out there who do decide to raise a child together, to assume they must be gay and in a relationship. ;p
Agreed, two womans can raise a child without the needing of being a gay couple. In short, Nanoha, Fate and Vivio maybe can be "Two and a Half Women" xD
Also i'm interested in that Vivio/Fate short, if someone feels like sharing send me a PM please xD
mielipuoli
2010-12-16, 12:07
"Two and a Half Women"
Now that's a fanfic I'd read! :Db
Also i'm interested in that Vivio/Fate short, if someone feels like sharing send me a PM please xD
Don't tempt fate, you'll find yourself with a Cyphia x Signum lemon in your box. With Signum as the uke.
Xellos-_^
2010-12-16, 13:06
Don't tempt fate, you'll find yourself with a Cyphia x Signum lemon in your box. With Signum as the uke.
ahem >_> someone of us wouldn't mind.
Don't tempt fate, you'll find yourself with a Cyphia x Signum lemon in your box. With Signum as the uke.
I wouldn't mind reading that myself.
RadiantBeam
2010-12-16, 13:12
Don't tempt fate, you'll find yourself with a Cyphia x Signum lemon in your box. With Signum as the uke.
... I... fail to see that as a bad thing, honestly.
Your 2nd sentence doesn't make sense. If it's 'official', then regardless who does the artwork, the short would be an official Nanoha manga.
For the artist to be official as well, the artist would need to be payed, in which case, I don't know if it was a fan thing, or he was actually given money to publish his artwork. And I never said the manga wasn't official, you put it on the same level as a fanfic, when it can't be a fanfic considering who the script writer is.
Why do two women have to be gay and in a relationship to raise a child together anyway? I think it does a disservice to those close female friends out there who do decide to raise a child together, to assume they must be gay and in a relationship. ;p
Sure, two females can raise a child, but the way that manga presented it? The implications looked pretty blatant to me.
And Demi, no offense, but you'll see almost anything through "this must mean it's NanoFate!" glasses. :P
You must be thinking of some one else. I'm Fate x anyone, long as Fate's happy.
Rising Dragon
2010-12-16, 13:42
I believe the argument trying to be made here would properly translate into "Something being official does not mean it is canon."
Akiyoshi
2010-12-16, 13:44
Don't tempt fate, you'll find yourself with a Cyphia x Signum lemon in your box. With Signum as the uke.
You're not gonna troll me xDU(i have the power of christmas by my side now =D). Also i'm refering to the "oficial" short writen by Tsuzuki, i know he's a master troll but i really doubt he ever will write something of that scale(specially when he doesn't have the guts to confirm any popular pairing xDU).
00-Raiser
2010-12-16, 13:52
Actually, the 2nd Mothers Day thing doesn't have Tsuzuki's name anywhere. It only has Yuki Mashio listed, so I don't think Tsuzuki wrote it. He's had his name attached to everything else he's written.
But yeah, echoing Kaijo's comments here. Two women don't have to be in a relationship with each other to raise a child. This mind set is a strange mix of old and new mind sets. People are willing to accept a new form of family, yet at the same time they cling to the old fashioned idea that parents of a child must be a married couple.
In the end, Fate's official status as Vivio's god mother has never been explicitly changed to co-adopter. Doesn't change the fact that, to Vivio, Fate is her precious 2nd mother. This Vivio-Fate bond does not reflect on the Nanoha-Fate bond, though.
Justin_Brett
2010-12-16, 13:58
With Cypha as the uke.
If she gets that pissed off from Signum touching her in battle, well...
Akiyoshi
2010-12-16, 14:05
So, in the end that "oficial" doujin doesen't have anything to do with Tsuzuki at all right? ...still if you guys think is worth reading i dont mind giving it a look xD
Returning to the "official non-canon" material topic, it's not that uncommon, i've readed mangas where the writer release from time to time short stories with the characters in situations completely untied to the main plot(Nobuhiro Watsuki does this for example). I don't have info of Tsuzuki doing this but for example it will be great if he decides to came a little more close to his fans, reading the writers commentaries and opinions at the end of a manga chapter is quite a relaxing experience, it helps the reader to understand the writer's intentions and vision of the story, i remember how Ken Akamatsu apologizes when he feel the need to do something bad to a well-received character or reflecting how his experiences affects the plot. If Tsuzuki haved done that, much things in the past would be a million times more understandable(also helps to gain some distance from the characters and be able to see as just that, characters).
00-Raiser
2010-12-16, 14:13
So, in the end that "oficial" doujin doesen't have anything to do with Tsuzuki at all right? ...still if you guys think is worth reading i dont mind giving it a look xD
Returning to the "official non-canon" material topic, it's not that uncommon, i've readed mangas where the writer release from time to time short stories with the characters in situations completely untied to the main plot(Nobuhiro Watsuki does this for example). I don't have info of Tsuzuki doing this but for example it will be great if he decides to came a little more close to his fans, reading the writers commentaries and opinions at the end of a manga chapter is quite a relaxing experience, it helps the reader to undertand the writer's intentions and vision of the story, i remember how Ken Akamatsu apologizes when he deel the need to do something bad to a well-received character or refelcting how his experiences affects the plot. If Tsuzuki haved done that much things in the past would be a million times more understandable(also helps to gain some distance from the characters and be able to see as just that, characters).
Oh yeah, it's definitely worth a read. Just take it's potential canonicity with a grain of salt.
As for the rest of what you said, I think Force Dimension fits that bill why is no one translating those? If I had the raws maybe vic-vic and I will tackle it
Akiyoshi
2010-12-16, 14:33
As for the rest of what you said, I think Force Dimension fits that bill why is no one translating those? If I had the raws maybe vic-vic and I will tackle it
Those things need to be tranlated then xD.
I'm also remebered about Jin Kobayashi(School rumble) and Nagaru Tanigawa(Haruhi Suzumiya), both of them also make commentaries(Kobayashi-sensei go as far as made then during the chapters themselves, more frenquently on the page's corners and frames xD!) and while they have different methods(Nagaru-sensei often put a single "chpater" at the end of one of his visual novels to comment things related about the progression of the plot and sometimes his personal life, philosophy or random stuff is a bit confusing sometimes), it's also a form of approaching and/or understanding.
I know Tsuzuki receives interviews from time to time but i hope he decide to do something similar in the future, he seems to be a very misterious and reserved person and i'm very curious about the vision he have for his stories ....i'm reaaaaally curious.
itanshi1
2010-12-16, 14:51
I dun understand what canon means. You are missing a phrase, 'non canon with ____' At any rate, those new shorts are in the queue, maybe? I'm a sucker for new material.
Bananoha
2010-12-16, 15:38
As for the rest of what you said, I think Force Dimension fits that bill why is no one translating those? If I had the raws maybe vic-vic and I will tackle itDoraneko started and then stopped. And seems to be on hiatus from everything.... Not even saying hi. ;A;
You could botherbotherbother Nina.Wolken for any raws you'd need, though I have a couple of issues that I could scan as well to ease the load off sensei. I only seem to have September Nyantype saved — the extra long special in this issue is also the same one that's in the Nanoha anthology book.
If a friend and I ever finish with SonoHana8, we might be able to pick up Dimension if you don't wanna. (/ω＼)
On a somewhat related note, hope you guys don't mind me releasing a first draft copy of Memory;ex eventually. There's a giant gap on the two double-pagers (http://piclair.com/data/ey1cv.jpg) that I'll eventually fix, whether better scans appear or I have to re-draw it. <___>
Also, wot do I put it as when uploading to MangaFox? Is this like chapter 19.5 or something? orz
I'd just say "ViVid Special" when you upload it.
Akiyoshi
2010-12-16, 15:52
I will wait with anticipation xD!
Kazu-kun
2010-12-16, 16:16
Actually, the 2nd Mothers Day thing doesn't have Tsuzuki's name anywhere. It only has Yuki Mashio listed, so I don't think Tsuzuki wrote it. He's had his name attached to everything else he's written.
I think there's some misunderstanding about this. This short is not a doujin, it's part of one-shot collection published by Kadokawa's Comp Ace manga imprint (same as Vivid). So, I don't know how canon it is, but it's certainly official.
Bananoha
2010-12-16, 16:24
I'd just say "ViVid Special" when you upload it.Yes, but I have to say what chapter + volume so that the thing updates/uploads nicely. orzI think there's some misunderstanding about this. This short is not a doujin, it's part of one-shot collection published by Kadokawa's Comp Ace manga imprint (same as Vivid). So, I don't know how canon it is, but it's certainly official.It's a collection of fan-made material. It's just published by an official company.
So, it's an officially published doujinshi.
And yes, I do realize Force Dimension is also in the anthology book. ∠(。ゝ▽・)キラッ☆
Kazu-kun
2010-12-16, 16:39
It's a collection of fan-made material. It's just published by an official company.
I'm saying it's official because it's published by Kadokawa, not any company.
ISo, it's an officially published doujinshi.
That doesn't make sense. Doujin is self-published manga. If it's released by a publisher, it's just regular manga, not doujin.
Again, I don't know if it's canon, but it is official.
Random example for comparison: Chopperman is also written by Eichiro Oda, but it's not 'canon' in the One Piece universe (since its a story about Chopper being a superhero and all, which he's not). It's just a side-story. An AU. Official, yes, but not canon.
Kazu-kun
2010-12-16, 16:57
Official, yes, but not canon.
Yes, that's the point. Although, I don't really care about "canonicity" as most people do, but yeah....
Bananoha
2010-12-16, 17:16
That doesn't make sense. Doujin is self-published manga. If it's released by a publisher, it's just regular manga, not doujin.
Again, I don't know if it's canon, but it is official.Okay, yes. Doujin is fan-made stuff/Doujinshi is fan-made comics and similar things. To be honest, I'm surprised how we only just got something like this now considering how popular the series is. K-On already has 2 anthology books, iirc.
I'm more stressing the point of it's still all fan-made. Tsuzuki doesn't have any part in it beyond, well, creating the franchise and whatnot. The only time you even see his name in the book is at the very last page.
İMasaki TSUZUKI 2010
İTakuya FUJIMA 2010 İYukari HIGA 2010
Sorry, I'm more of official = canon, but it doesn't mean anything to me if it's just "officially published" when Tsuzuki didn't do anything.
And now I want to re-read Nanoha ☆ Illya. zomg, does something have to be this outrageous to be considered not canon.
itanshi1
2010-12-16, 17:32
canon is a misnomer, it is from the same continuity? I really wish the right terms would be used.
CrowKenobi
2010-12-18, 14:59
canon is a misnomer, it is from the same continuity? I really wish the right terms would be used.Canon (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Canon) @ TVTropes. :D
00-Raiser
2010-12-18, 15:50
Basically continuality = keeping things consistant with the rest of the work, while canon = what's considered an actual part of the work.
Example, Gundam has tons of side story mangas that keep continuality with the TV shows, but most are not considered canon.
Same deal here: that short manga mostly kept the continuality of the Nanoha franchise. It fits in the timeline fairly well. However if this event actually happened within what is recognised as canon is suspect. Since it's from an anthology book, I'm gonna lean more towards 'no, it isn't.'
Bananoha
2010-12-21, 23:07
Man, just as long as I don't see hxc NanoFate people jumping all over the anthology book because it was officially published, I.... something rather.
Anyhoo, mind-the-gap version of Memory;ex has been released. My Internet is freaking out right now, so I can't upload it to any other site. Prolly by the time I can, it will be done already. o(^▽^)o
Man, just as long as I don't see hxc NanoFate people jumping all over the anthology book because it was officially published, I.... something rather.
Anyhoo, mind-the-gap version of Memory;ex has been released. My Internet is freaking out right now, so I can't upload it to any other site. Prolly by the time I can, it will be done already. o(^▽^)o
Hooray!!! Someone was up for the task! Especially because my brief translation was really speedy and haphazard.
Tiresias
2010-12-22, 00:37
Anyhoo, mind-the-gap version of Memory;ex has been released. My Internet is freaking out right now, so I can't upload it to any other site. Prolly by the time I can, it will be done already. o(^▽^)o
The last line -"I'm sure the First Master is thinking the same way"- confused me a bit. I thought they don't remember him/her due to the books' malfunction? And looking at the image, I was under the impression that she's talking about Rein?
00-Raiser
2010-12-22, 01:12
It could refer to Reinforce I suppose, but they never considered her a master, though. The statement could be refering to the actual first master of the book, ie, it's creator. Everyone knows the book was created for peaceful purposes but was corrupted later, so Vita could be wondering the the creator had such a peaceful world in mind when they made the book.
Anyways, nice chapter. Now we know that the Book of Darkness was active during the Belkan wars but it likely predates them.
I must say that Vita's description of Nanoha as a mother gave off strong 'single parent' vibes to me.
So... from memory EX we can easily see that "civil servant" in Nanoha description is just another way to say "TSAB official". She is NOT in any way on leave or on other job, she is still Combat Instructor in TSAB. And because I can't resist - TOLD YOU SO!!!
Argent Solbright
2010-12-22, 07:57
Uahh, thank you for the tranlation bananoha. I got teary eyed reading that :((listening melancholic song in the background didn't help)
A very nice chapter :)
00-Raiser
2010-12-22, 14:11
So... from memory EX we can easily see that "civil servant" in Nanoha description is just another way to say "TSAB official". She is NOT in any way on leave or on other job, she is still Combat Instructor in TSAB. And because I can't resist - TOLD YOU SO!!!
I don't think anyone thought that she was doing some other job. In Vivid chapter one we see her walking around with Vita at the training grounds. It is established that she's 'resting her wings' but that doesn't mean she has to stop teaching. She can still oversee training sessions and give lectures, but she's probably not out there blasting her students at full power.
Rising Dragon
2010-12-22, 14:13
Nope. She's just blasting her friends and family at full power instead.
00-Raiser
2010-12-22, 14:31
Yeah, but that was a case that happens once a year and even then she didn't go full on Blaster 3.
... Then again maybe Tsuzuki forgot about the 'resting her wings' thing or deliberately ignored it so he could have Nanoha fight.
I don't think anyone thought that she was doing some other job.
...
That anybody is like 90% of fandom. About evenly between desk job, other job and "on leave". Because "civil servant = she is NOT TSAB officer any more!!!1111".
00-Raiser
2010-12-22, 15:26
...
That anybody is like 90% of fandom. About evenly between desk job, other job and "on leave". Because "civil servant = she is NOT TSAB officer any more!!!1111".
I don't remember anyone saying stuff like that. Not here, anyways.
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