Nanoha Manga Discussion

[Supremezero]

The Bunny device from Hell...


...is gonna take you home.

Nah, it's gonna befriend you.

[spawnofthejudge]

Clearly Dezo was right about Vivio's combat instructor. Or at least, the person Vivio admires, anyway.

Aside from battle, imagine her at school.

Vivio: *sitting in library with bunny upon her head*
Rio: Um, Vivio....
Vivio + bunny: hai?
Rio:...nevermind.:heh: Don't forget that Vivio + bunny has a creepy double voice font.

[Dri]

And suddenly it strikes me. We have all overlooked a very very very dangerous detail.

Vivio is quite possibly the character with the largest bust in the entire cast now.

She hasn't met Hayate yet.

Uh-oh.

[Nina.Wolken]

And so the frightening Bunnies invasion begun : http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/667/stsvcbooklet1415.th.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stsvcbooklet1415.jpg)
Sooo... was that Chris/Kriss on this pic'? If so he seems quite found of Vivio's plushy :p They're gonna multiply soon >.>

Edit -> @Dri : she is not going to try anything, Nanoha-mama is way too scary and protective ^^"

[Dri]

Whoa shrink that down please. D:

And Kriss is the one with the bowtie, not with the suit. Pretty sure that makes Kriss the female one in the set (wouldn't be surprised if they made her Device female, in fact, to keep up with Nanoha's style).

[Nina.Wolken]

Whoa shrink that down please. D:

Simple thumb' mistake, alright?

And Kriss is the one with the bowtie, not with the suit. Pretty sure that makes Kriss the female one in the set (wouldn't be surprised if they made her Device female, in fact, to keep up with Nanoha's style).

Nope. The "original" one (the one Nanoha gave her when she was young) is the one with the purple bowtie and Kriss/ Chris (if it's him) is the one with the suit. His pose is not something natural when you look at it closely, plus Kriss/Chriss is a male name (and I got the feeling it's a he, I can't picture a soft/girlish voice for this device).

Edit : StS Manga 2, special cover with the first bunny on it. (http://moe.imouto.org/post/show/21839/fate_testarossa-mahou_shoujo_lyrical_nanoha-mahou_)

[Evangelion Xgouki]

plus Kriss/Chriss is a male name (and I got the feeling it's a he, I can't picture a soft/girlish voice for this device).

Actually, that can be both male and female. Kris/Kriss/Chris/Chriss can be a shorten form of Christopher (male) as well as Kristina (female). Though there are others that it can be tied to as well (Christian, Crystal/Krystal, etc).

[Keroko]

In the recap done a few pages back, the term Mid-Belkan Hybrid got coined. The exact words were 'Mid-Belkan Hybrid with Belkan as the base/main", I think. It's not too unusual since Nanoha and Raising Heart are going to be her primary magic teachers that she'd be learning what Nanoha is best at. Though for all we know maybe that was a mistranslation or a liberty, but I do like Mid-Belkan better than saying Belkan and Mid-Childan Hybrid all the time.

*re-reads* Ah yes, now I see. Still, I see Vivio going for close-combat over range, but we'll find out in a couple of chapters.

Nope. The "original" one (the one Nanoha gave her when she was young) is the one with the purple bowtie and Kriss/ Chris (if it's him) is the one with the suit. His pose is not something natural when you look at it closely, plus Kriss/Chriss is a male name (and I got the feeling it's a he, I can't picture a soft/girlish voice for this device).

Neither bunny is wearing a suit though, so how do you know which is which?

[Nina.Wolken]

Actually, that can be both male and female. Kris/Kriss/Chris/Chriss can be a shorten form of Christopher (male) as well as Kristina (female). Though there are others that it can be tied to as well (Christian, Crystal/Krystal, etc).

Sure. But isn't the shorten form more commonly used for guys than girls? That's how it is over there :uhoh:

@ Keroko -> the one she got when she was young has the purple bowtie, so I assume the other one (red bowtie + suit) is Chriss/Kriss, who has been kind of "customized" by Vivio ^^'

[Dri]

Except that the Device bunny she uses has a bowtie and the other a fancy costume. So her Device has to be the original one Nanoha gave her; it makes the most sense.

[Kyral]

Sure. But isn't the shorten form more commonly used for guys than girls? That's how it is over there :uhoh:

I saw more anime with 'chris' being girls.

@ Keroko -> the one she got when she was young has the purple bowtie, so I assume the other one (red bowtie + suit) is Chriss/Kriss, who has been kind of "customized" by Vivio ^^'

Or Chris/Kriss is a complete new bunny and not pictured here.

[Evil Rick]

The Bunny device from Hell...


...is gonna take you home.

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9706/rabbit1180.jpg

D:

[Dri]

I saw more anime with 'chris' being girls.



Or Chris/Kriss is a complete new bunny and not pictured here.No, the recap actually said that it was Vivio's actual bunny but refurbished-- I think. So it would have to be the one Nanoha gave her, which is the one with the bowtie.

Chris can be both. As-is it's actually more used for males, but with names like Christine and Chrissy it can be used as short for those, and is thus female.

[Nina.Wolken]

Except that the Device bunny she uses has a bowtie and the other a fancy costume. So her Device has to be the original one Nanoha gave her; it makes the most sense.

But... they both have a bowtie and neither have a suit so far in the serie. And we know the first bunny has a purple one, and the colour is still unknown for the second one. So that should be the one with the red bowtie + suit : that would make more sense.
And Chriss/Kriss is a totally original Device, not an ordinary plushy turned into a Device from the translation we've got (thought that would not be totally impossible), which make me think you're wrong.

*I told you, bunnies are evil*

@ Kyral -> we actually don't know if the pic from the Vocal Collection is supposed to be pre or post ViVid.

[NorthernFallout]

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9706/rabbit1180.jpg

D:
Fullsize Bunny device...ok, do not want.

[Sheba]

That damn bunny. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXbBlGBoUms)

[Grand Phoenix]

Originally posted by Evil Rick

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9706/rabbit1180.jpg

D:

LMAO! I was just thinking the same thing (about the rabbit from SH3) XD!

[Nina.Wolken]

That damn bunny. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXbBlGBoUms)

^I thought about it too. Indeed, Beware of Bunny (http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/958/bunnygxk.jpg)!

[Keroko]

Or perhaps it will transform into Ninja Bunny?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/Liinna/ninjabunnynobackground.jpg

[MeisterBabylon]

So Ingvalt der Plunderer has a Pirate Bunny? :p

[Evangelion Xgouki]

So Ingvalt der Plunderer has a Pirate Bunny? :p

Space Pirate Ninja Bunny?

[spawnofthejudge]

Space Pirate Ninja Bunny?

Space Pirate Ninja Zombie Robot Bunny? (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NinjaPirateZombieRobot?from=Main.NinjaPirateRobotZ ombie)

[Kyral]

No, the recap actually said that it was Vivio's actual bunny but refurbished-- I think. So it would have to be the one Nanoha gave her, which is the one with the bowtie.

Yeah but there is no bunny with this kind of bowtie in the pic. So it could be a bunny she got later.

Chris can be both. As-is it's actually more used for males, but with names like Christine and Chrissy it can be used as short for those, and is thus female.

Of course.
But as I said, in anime the trend is more towards female then male.
Don't know why... maybe the autors like it more for girls.

@ Kyral -> we actually don't know if the pic from the Vocal Collection is supposed to be pre or post ViVid.

So... I'm not allowed suggest that the bunny is one that was bought after the 'pic'? ^^;

[itanshi1]

heh what a topic, how about a bodyguard (http://th02.deviantart.com/fs45/300W/f/2009/115/7/f/Usagi_Yojimbo_by_Ninja_Turtles.jpg)?

[Sheba]

Or, the useless little bunny, only good for her sex appeal (http://g.imagehost.org/0830/Smoke.png).

[Nina.Wolken]

So... I'm not allowed suggest that the bunny is one that was bought after the 'pic'? ^^;

Oh no no no, that's also possible, but that would made either Nanoha or Vivio a bunny freak with 3 of those at home (depending on who offered or asked for all those bunnies) :uhoh:.

As for Chris/Kriss gender, I won't change my mind about it being a "he". Because really, looking at this first chapter, it could be the closest thing of a male-being we will see in this manga :heh:.

[Key Board]

Vivio actually has 3 parents: Nanoha, Raising Heart and Fate

[Kyral]

Vivio actually has 4 parents: Nanoha, Raising Heart and Fate and Bardiche.

Fixed that! :D

Poor guy got forgotten already... :(

[prescience]

<caro>[With parents like that] Vivio really is invincible...</caro> :heh:

[Satashi]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g140/LeviValor/th_usanano.jpg (http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g140/LeviValor/usanano.jpg)But then again, Nanoha and Fate like bunnies as well...

Here's hoping Vivio gets bunny ears if she has different modes in her transformation!

[TheShinySword]

... no thank you. I don't care if she goes Kaiser she's still a ten year old...

[BPHaru]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g140/LeviValor/th_usanano.jpg (http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g140/LeviValor/usanano.jpg)But then again, Nanoha and Fate like bunnies as well...

Here's hoping Vivio gets bunny ears if she has different modes in her transformation!
LOL

I'm glad that you checked the thread, I was SO expecting that from you! The bunny couple is your trademark after all :D

Anyway, where is my Onyx Chip? ^^

Cuídense y sigan sonriendo :)

[Satashi]

... no thank you. I don't care if she goes Kaiser she's still a ten year old...

Just the ears, shiny, just the ears! *flails*


Anyway, where is my Onyx Chip? ^^

Wrong thread *halo*

[Drethillsh]

Anyone else wonder what (Chris? Kriss? Kurisu?) Sacred Heart thinks about being a rabbit plushie?
I think that SH (him? her?) itself is supposed to be a more typical device inside the rabbit (which makes sense- a 9-or-10-year-old with a jewel around their neck is asking for a mugging, Saint King or not. The same with a stuffed bunny is unlikely to garner any attention.), but... it would be funny to see him/her/it constantly bemoaning its appearance.

Also, do Vivio's friends know about the whole Saint King clone thing? And if yes, what do they think about it? Do they ask for help with history homework? And does Vivio ever say "Oh for the love me" when she's annoyed? Does Vivio's school have those parents-talk-about-their-jobs thing? Is it funny to watch Nanoha trying to resist the urge to say "I blow **** up for peace and justice?"

(The answer to that last one is "yes", by the way.)

[TheShinySword]

Ah you're wrong. Nanoha doesn't blow shit up for peace and justice.

Nanoha: Oh my job. My job is to make friends. *Laughs maniacally*

[prescience]

Hmm.... which would be funnier, I wonder... "Prepare to taste my eyebeams, puny mortals!" or "Oh gods, why do I have to be stuck in this bunny?"

About Vivio's friends and the Saint King clone bit, I guess it could go either way. In SSX, Otto and Deed refer to Vivio as "your majesty". They would know about it anyway, but I don't think they'd address her like that if it were a tightly-kept secret...

[Drethillsh]

I see making friends as Nanoha's hobby, not her job. Her job as a TSAB member can be done without befriending anybody. But if everythingn is standing and intact when she's done, the repair crews get no work, and the economy collapses. (Some steps in this economic theory have been removed for conciseness).
But making friends? No, that's what Saturday nights are for. Beats the hell out out of stamp collecting.

And for poor, maligned SH, we have... Device Therapy!
"How long have you had these feelings of insecurity?"
"It goes back to my childhood. All the cool devices were transforming into swords or guns, but me? I was a bunny. Sometimes... I would cry myself to sleep... [sob]"

And Vivio in history class? I've had this scene in head since the first time I saw the StrikerS epilogue:
Sensei: And so, the Saint King brought his forces to lay seige to the enemy fortress-
Vivio: I remember that! Everyone had to remember not to drink the water, 'cause it would make your bowels all-
Sensei: DON'T CALL OUT IN MY CLASSROOM!

[TheShinySword]

Nah. Nanoha makes friends as her job. Why do you think she took it? don't be a joke ruiner...

SH better be a badass little bunny.... for various reasons.

[Rising Dragon]

Do you think Vivio will use her Saint's Armor ability in ViVid? And do any of you think that the new girl (can't remember her name for the life of me) will have her own if she turns out to be like Vivio?

[Drethillsh]

Since we're on the topic of befriending, I wonder how Vivio became friends with Rio and Corona, since her only role model is N-
No. No! Nothing good lies down that road of speculation. I'm not qualified for that level of character re-interpretation.

With regards to more serious topics, I would like to see how Nanoha's celebrity status, Vivio's role in the Scaglietti Incident, and other things like that affects Vivio's daily life. Did it all get hushed up? Is this just standard stuff for the people of Mid-Childa? Does everyone point and whisper as she passes? Or bow and pray? Or some combination of the above, or something completely different? I hope this is addressed before the plot comes in and upstages everything.

[Satashi]

I think it's a bunny that can fly and follow her around because Vivio is young and althoguh she may be mature, she's still a little girl. A bunny that can keep up with her as well as not draw attention would be the best thing for her. Any thief/bad mage/ whatever seeing kids carry devices would judge them based on it. A gem style device would be more of a target than say, a cellphone and a bunny rabbit.

I think Nanoha did it because A.)Vivio likes bunnies, and B.) for safety.

Also.......

I want to see Vivio be ina really big rush for something important and the teachers/whatevers try to make Vivio stay where she is for her own saftey, and Vivio go "I command you to step down!" and everyone go to their knees ina bow immediatly.

ohhhhh god, such a cool mental image!

[Jimmy C]

Vivid has been translated in English. You can find it at the usual places.

[Evil Rick]

LMAO! I was just thinking the same thing (about the rabbit from SH3) XD!

Robbie the Rabit, don't forget his make or you'll make him anger. @_@...

[Dri]

Vivid has been translated in English. You can find it at the usual places.Although I appreciate the warning, would you mind offering a link for those of us who're new and all that?

[Dri]

No, nevermind, I hunted it down.

"Raging Heart", that makes me wince. Ow. D:

[Comartemis]

Vivid has been translated in English. You can find it at the usual places.
And what exactly are the usual places?

[Satashi]

Vivid has been translated in English. You can find it at the usual places.

"The usual places" are all japanese still, can you be a little more specific? A lot of people don't know where that is

[9taileddemon]

I doubt that the device has any emotional issues. I mean think about it, of all the non-unison devices we have seen it is the only one with limbs. Limbs are useful and fun to use so while its appearance may have negative points the use of limbs probably balances that out.

[Dri]

Look up Nyaatorrents, that's where I found it.

The translation itself, while all prettily-rendered and what have you, kinda bugs me, if only because of the words "Raging Heart". It's not bad otherwise, though. But yes, I'm one of those "Raising Heart or bust" people because no matter how I look at it, Nanoha is not raging at all, it makes no sense. Raising Heart, it fits in with the whole befriending thing so much more, with how happy and constantly uplifted Nanoha is.

Raging Heart is what I'd call an evil alt-u Nanoha's Device. D:

[Rising Dragon]

Err... isn't ViVid licensed? If it is, we're not allowed to be talking about where to get translations of it.

[Dri]

Err... isn't ViVid licensed? If it is, we're not allowed to be talking about where to get translations of it.I literally found it by using google to look up 'ViVid Scanlation'. I could always change my suggestion to that, or if my post is a problem, the reference to the website I got it from can be removed. But I'm not linking to it, at least. I just thought it might be nice to give people a pointer since people prefer to be obscure and assume everyone already knows where to look.

(I had no idea it was already licensed, though. It /barely/ just came out and they haven't even touched A's or StrikerS yet.)

[Rising Dragon]

I don't know if its licensed or not. I'm just saying, if it is, we can't be talking about where to get translations of it.

[The Guy Named Zeo]

I don't know if its licensed or not. I'm just saying, if it is, we can't be talking about where to get translations of it.

It's not licensed in English.

[Kazu-kun]

It's not licensed.

Anyway, the name of the archive is "Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Vivid - 01 [E].rar". Google is your friend!!

[itanshi1]

Woo, just finished reading it. Hehe, damn shiptease. Well, putting that aside, awesome! I'm finding very friendly elements I can use in my storyline I'm working on. Her transformation is nice, very good. Her enemy is also nice, makes me think of all the rival kingdoms in MtG lore that were once enemies, but united against the invaders.

[prescience]

"Captain Nanoha Takamachi has temporarily put her wings to rest."

Good to know that she's taking a rest after StrikerS... it would be a bit lame if all the warnings about overextending herself with the Blaster system were completely ignored.

[Jimmy C]

After reading through the set, I think there's a page missing from the source. When magazines allot colored pages to a title, they give them an even number of pages, because that uses both sides of the colored paper. There should be one more colored page between 003 and 004. I hope it was either an ad or the character data pages.

[Dark Wing]

"Captain Nanoha Takamachi has temporarily put her wings to rest."

Good to know that she's taking a rest after StrikerS... it would be a bit lame if all the warnings about overextending herself with the Blaster system were completely ignored.

I agree more often then not I tend to see a lot of spin-offs and side stories that screw over canon.

[Keroko]

Throwing in the obvious theory that Vivio/Ingvalt (Vivingvalt? Vivalt?) is gong to be the next Nanofate. Any takers?

[NorthernFallout]

I would rather not think about it...

[Keroko]

*shrug* Well, by now I've already decided not to ponder the issue of Nanofate canonicity and just enjoy the many d'aaaaaw moments this manga will be throwing at us, so thinking of what kind of d'aaaaaw moments Vivio is going to have is only one step away.

[Rising Dragon]

Throwing in the obvious theory that Vivio/Ingvalt (Vivingvalt? Vivalt?) is gong to be the next Nanofate. Any takers?

That's what I was thinking too. Even if in a completely platonic, or a romantically ambiguous way. The Nanoha series is big on pairing people off, regardless of whether or not its in romantic situations or not. So Vivio and Ingvalt being the next Nanoha and Fate would not surprise me in the least. And I'm kinda hoping for it, too.

[FRS]

A nice start, i hope we' ll see the number in action in this serie, Hegemon sound way better that "suprem king" (on the other hand it's rare to see a greek title in a manga).

[Sheba]

So Ingvalt is Akuma/Gouki taking on all Fight Clubs while looking for Tyler Durden?

[Rickrolled]

Throwing in the obvious theory that Vivio/Ingvalt (Vivingvalt? Vivalt?) is gong to be the next Nanofate. Any takers?

..huhu im not ready to see it yet .. oh mah vivio u grew soo fast D :
but im not suprised if it does -__-'

[TheShinySword]

Throwing in the obvious theory that Vivio/Ingvalt (Vivingvalt? Vivalt?) is gong to be the next Nanofate. Any takers?

patience young Keroko. All things in time, why don't we let ingy introduce herself before we say anything. Besides I've already thrown in my prediction like 1 pages back.


I predict twintails (5th page) is the largest (perspection wise) new girl in the first pic (Through the power of transformation) who will be cold but Vivio will want to befriend and will in fact befriend eventually but their friendship will be torn apart when they discover they're each others enemies (Because Twin-tails will be the antagonist) until Vivio turns her to the side of good through old fashion Befriending and there will be much shipteasing.


Now before that happens. I want everyone to remember to no be closed minded and allow Vivio to be open to all pairings despite whatever your favorite happens to be.

[Drethillsh]

An interesting thought occured to me recently, though I have no idea how workable it would be:
Let's say Ingvalt gets the Fate-style befriending, and becomes good before the series epilogue. Then, she shows up in the next chapter of Force, with a "Sorry it took so long to get here" type explanation. It would be a good way to tie the series together, though again, I don't know anywhere near enough about how these series are written to say how likely it is.

[Satashi]

An interesting thought occured to me recently, though I have no idea how workable it would be:
Let's say Ingvalt gets the Fate-style befriending, and becomes good before the series epilogue. Then, she shows up in the next chapter of Force, with a "Sorry it took so long to get here" type explanation. It would be a good way to tie the series together, though again, I don't know anywhere near enough about how these series are written to say how likely it is.

That probably won't happen because each Nanoha series has to introduce about 15 new characters each so there's no room for characters who appeared in another series to show up again :3

As for love, it's too early to say anything except that Vivio stated that she sees Fate as a mama, so I'm relieved to see that she still loves Fate-mama. I was a little worried for the girl >.<

[prescience]

Well, considering that the two mangas are going to be running concurrently, it would only be possible if Force went on for a fair bit longer than ViVid. But I somehow don't think Vivio-tachi will have such a major role in Force.

[Kyral]

Huuu! Scanlation! ^.^

Very awesome! :D

But a -1 for translating Seiou with Saint King and not Sankt Kaiser as it should be (yeah, yeah... Kyral goes nitpicking again... sorry :heh: ).

[NorthernFallout]

I actually didn't notice that, good thing you pointed that out. Right should be right!

[Keroko]

Concerning the translation, there's a second one on its way. Or rather, the one on the way is the one first announced on /u/.

[prescience]

Hopefully they'll use Sankt Kaiser and Hegemon - translating the terms literally into English doesn't work for me either; the official terms sound so much cooler.

[Keroko]

Judging by the words quoted when the translator posted that, that seems to be the case.

[Satashi]

I prefer better translations myself, but I'm still really appreciative to the people who translate them for us who can't read Japanese. Raging Heart is one of the biggest things, that alone would make me prefer one scanlator over another. But I'm still thankful for both. I'm holding off a bit with fics just for that reason

We don't want another repeat of the name spelling errors T_T

[Evil Rick]

In page 9 Raiging heart looks like a snitch from Harry Potter lol

[Kyral]

Yeah, Im happy that most people use Belka, Raising Heart and Sankt Kaiser now.

BTW: If only I could figure out Schachs Device name I would be totaly delighted... ^^

(I think ビインデルシャフト is Binderschaft. But I'm not actually sure.)

[Evangelion Xgouki]

"Captain Nanoha Takamachi has temporarily put her wings to rest."

Good to know that she's taking a rest after StrikerS... it would be a bit lame if all the warnings about overextending herself with the Blaster system were completely ignored.

Or it's a force leave imposed on her by a certain blond doctor so she doesn't further aggravate her injuries from the Cradle Incident (with a threat of said doctor cooking for her should she not listen >_> ).

[Satashi]

On the page where Hayate is looking at Vivio's mass sent picture message, is that Bardiche on her desk?

[Sheba]

On the page where Hayate is looking at Vivio's mass sent picture message, is that Bardiche on her desk?

It's Bardiche. However, it is not in her panel. So, it is suggested that Fate also received her message.

[Nina.Wolken]

On the page where Hayate is looking at Vivio's mass sent picture message, is that Bardiche on her desk?

Well, it looks like Bardiche, but not on Hayate's desk. I think that's just a way to imply that she sent it to Fate, but without showing her, not to spoil the fact that she will be at home waiting for Vivio...

Edit -> orz

[prescience]

Yeah, Im happy that most people use Belka, Raising Heart and Sankt Kaiser now.

BTW: If only I could figure out Schachs Device name I would be totaly delighted... ^^

(I think ビインデルシャフト is Binderschaft. But I'm not actually sure.)

Well, the YesY subs for StrikerS used "Windelshaft," which sort of makes sense, considering her abilities seem to be wind-based (IIRC).

[itanshi1]

I dunno, papa-bardiche is a humorous thought.

[Kyral]

Well, the YesY subs for StrikerS used "Windelshaft," which sort of makes sense, considering her abilities seem to be wind-based (IIRC).

Only that "Windel" means "Diaper" and thus has nothing to do with wind at all. :heh:
Ok... maybe the wind that comes from your bowel. :heh:

Nah the word does not sound even close like wind.

[Dri]

I always thought about it as Vindelshaft-- I have no idea what it MEANS, but that's how I hear it when she says it.

Isn't Saint King a poor translation of it anyway? To the best of my memory, Kaiser means Emperor, not just King, doesn't it?

Ironically I've always been saying it as Saint Kaiser, which probably has its ground to appeal to both crowds; the first word doesn't look odd and is clear on what it means, while the second word most people know what it means, or at least have a general idea that it means 'leader' or 'king' or what have you.

[Kyral]

I also tried "Winderschaft" once.

I also was looking for other languages besides german but I found nothing regarding that and as Saint Church is mostly belkan it was the only thing that made sense.
Ok maybe I'm just uncreative in that regard, being German myself. :-/

That reminds that one subber group called Charim's ancient belka skill "Profeitin Shrifti" wich actually should be "Prophetenschriften" (german for "Prophet's Scriptures")

[Rising Dragon]

I also tried "Winderschaft" once.

I also was looking for other languages besides german but I found nothing regarding that and as Saint Church is mostly belkan it was the only thing that made sense.
Ok maybe I'm just uncreative in that regard, being German myself. :-/

That reminds that one subber group called Charim's ancient belka skill "Profeitin Shrifti" wich actually should be "Prophetenschriften" (german for "Prophet's Scriptures")

Have you tried Dutch? According to TVTropes, Dutch is also used when it comes to Belkan-type devices, such as the Wolkenritter Devices.

[Keroko]

They're saying that? Gotta correct that then, because I have heard zero Dutch from any of the Devices, much to my regret. And that includes Schach's Device. I don't know what she's calling it, but it's definitely no Dutch.

[Rising Dragon]

They're saying that? Gotta correct that then, because I have heard zero Dutch from any of the Devices, much to my regret. And that includes Schach's Device. I don't know what she's calling it, but it's definitely no Dutch.

Its on the Nanoha page, next to the Gratuitous German trope. It doesn't list who says it, just that there's dutch, and that the trope mainly applies to the Wolkenritter devices.

[Keroko]

Probably someone confusing the two again. English, Dutch and German have always been part of the language triangle, as we have words that are either very similar (father - vater - vader) , or even equal ('storm' means exactly the same in both Dutch and English if pronounced a tiny bit differently, while the German word 'sturm' only changes one letter) However, the more you learn about a language in total, the more you realize are very different from one another, and while they may know the English language, people not familiar with Dutch and German can confuse the two at times because they haven't learned the differences yet.

[PhoenixG]

Have you tried Dutch? According to TVTropes, Dutch is also used when it comes to Belkan-type devices, such as the Wolkenritter Devices.

soo.... dutch sounds like german? Cuz I clearly hears german

[Kyral]

Listen to Keroko.

If the Dutch-jin says there is no Dutch in Nanoha I'm sure we can belive him.

[Rising Dragon]

Well, the only language I speak is English, so I have no viable way of discerning German and Dutch. I merely made a suggestion based on something said on TVTropes, that's all.

[Keroko]

Listen to Keroko.

If the Dutch-jin says there is no Dutch in Nanoha I'm sure we can belive him.

Unless I missed some attacks that were never mentioned in the show. Fixed the trope page and left a note, I'll be more than happy to be proven wrong here.

I'm not touching the latest addition to the ship-to-ship part though.

[itanshi1]

Sounds like tropes needs a punt. It does fail like wikipedia sometimes.

[prescience]

I wonder if, for Schach's device, they just made up something that sounded vaguely German-ish. Unlikely if other names (like Carim's ability) are actual proper German, but still...

And that ship-to-ship edit on tropes does need to die. I'm all for NanoFate, but that's just blatant flamebait... :/

[Dri]

Well, speaking of Devices. I assume Erio's is Belkan as well, so what does Strada stand for in German?

And Dutch and German are often mistaken for one another by those who don't know better, so that might be the source of that mistake right there.

Now, her Device... I really don't know. Maybe it's not supposed to be in German, but in English. In which case her 'Windelshaft' could be translated to 'Wind Shaft'. Which, well. Kinda fits the Device.

[prescience]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking - pseudo-German sounding English. If the writer were English-first-language, that would be the most obvious conclusion. But having proper German elsewhere muddies the waters somewhat. Then again, the English is quite variable in quality as well - just look at Raising Heart...

Edit: About that spambot/troll that just got banned, I was reading its profile page, and saw a link reading "Befriend facefreebook.com". It seemed quite apposite :heh:

[FRS]

Well, speaking of Devices. I assume Erio's is Belkan as well, so what does Strada stand for in German?
...


I believe that is from the fiat strada car, but i may be mistaken.

[Tempy]

What edit are you guys talking about? The only part I'm noticing is about the flamewars, and even then that's been there for a long while, now.

[Dri]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking - pseudo-German sounding English. If the writer were English-first-language, that would be the most obvious conclusion. But having proper German elsewhere muddies the waters somewhat. Then again, the English is quite variable in quality as well - just look at Raising Heart...

Edit: About that spambot/troll that just got banned, I was reading its profile page, and saw a link reading "Befriend facefreebook.com". It seemed quite apposite :heh:Hey, hey, HEY. Don't diss the Devices' Engrish. I LOVE that. It's one of their quirks I never fail to immitate when I RP.

It gives them some personality and all that, you know? Plus it's always good for a lulz or two.

[Kyral]

Well, speaking of Devices. I assume Erio's is Belkan as well, so what does Strada stand for in German?

The word Strada does not exist in German, it's pretty much the Spain word for "Street".

Well it shows that not all Armed Devices have german names.
Laevantin is another case, as the name comes from a sword from norse mythology.

In which case her 'Windelshaft' could be translated to 'Wind Shaft'. Which, well. Kinda fits the Device.

True. I still hate the "Windel" though... I can't take a Device serious that is named "diaper shaft" in my language. :uhoh:
Let's change it alt least to "Vindel/r"or "Bindel/r" :heh:

[Dri]

I always pronounced it Vindelshaft myself from the way she says it, so yeah.

And hm, pity. I thought Strada might mean something. And yeah, good point on Siggy's sword.

[spawnofthejudge]

I'm not touching the latest addition to the ship-to-ship part though.

Are you talking about the March edit to the Ship-to-Ship Combat page? Or the April edit to the Nanoha page? :confused:

[Rising Dragon]

I just read up on that Ship-to-Ship Combat edit... I lol at the name of the "incident". Really clever.

[arkxkra]

just finish chapter 1 of Vivid, not back, for starting it is done a good job. The Takamachi family is so lovely, so Nanoha and Fate is together (too bad is sometime). Vivio got a lot of big position people behind >.<".

Vivio transformation is awesome, lol at Fate reaction. Well, enemy appear, and I wonder Vivio has learn something from Nanoha, for example, become friend <<.

[spawnofthejudge]

Did anybody else squee at Nanoha's reaction to what Vivio was going to name her device? :love:

[Satashi]

Did anybody else squee at Nanoha's reaction to what Vivio was going to name her device? :love:

Yes, she was all blushy :3

But the icing on the cake was Fate getting weak in the knees and splaffing down with tears in her eyes.

edit:

Anyone notice on page 14 that Vivio's clock on the wall is a bunny clock?

Also, Nanoha's house... Just how much money does she have? If she was "resting her wings" and all, how can she afford/ why would she want a two story house? I dunno how land value is there but I'm thinking that the military pamper's it's ace's to make them want to stay with them.

Another thing is, speculation here, that just like the StikerS bed, it's big for a reason. I'm thinking it's a gathering spot for everyone :3

edit edit:
Ah, I just noticed in the panel where Nanoha blushes at the name Sacred Heart, Nanoha goes "Ara..." and Fate goes "Kusu" which is the cute girlish giggle.

[itanshi1]

Aw, now I need to reread it again :P

So cute, I'll still need to call her device falling soul in my epic fic, tho. It fits in the plot very well with that name.

[Dri]

Yes, she was all blushy :3

But the icing on the cake was Fate getting weak in the knees and splaffing down with tears in her eyes.

edit:

Anyone notice on page 14 that Vivio's clock on the wall is a bunny clock?

Also, Nanoha's house... Just how much money does she have? If she was "resting her wings" and all, how can she afford/ why would she want a two story house? I dunno how land value is there but I'm thinking that the military pamper's it's ace's to make them want to stay with them.

Another thing is, speculation here, that just like the StikerS bed, it's big for a reason. I'm thinking it's a gathering spot for everyone :3

edit edit:
Ah, I just noticed in the panel where Nanoha blushes at the name Sacred Heart, Nanoha goes "Ara..." and Fate goes "Kusu" which is the cute girlish giggle.Have you ever heard of compensations, promotions and bonuses?

Let's face it, MS6/RF6 single-handely saved all of Mid-Childa, possibly the entire universe (multiverse?). Not only would they get a hefty bonus and a handful of promotions from this, which leads to better salaries, but they're going to get bonuses for damage sustained, psychological trauma inflicted to some of them... and Nanoha is probably outright getting a disability bonus because that's /twice/ that she pushes her body to the brink of death like that.

Money is probably not an issue for any of them.

[Satashi]

Have you ever heard of compensations, promotions and bonuses?

Let's face it, MS6/RF6 single-handely saved all of Mid-Childa, possibly the entire universe (multiverse?). Not only would they get a hefty bonus and a handful of promotions from this, which leads to better salaries, but they're going to get bonuses for damage sustained, psychological trauma inflicted to some of them... and Nanoha is probably outright getting a disability bonus because that's /twice/ that she pushes her body to the brink of death like that.

Money is probably not an issue for any of them.

Which is what I said. "I'm thinking that the military pampers it's ace's" but at the same time, the point of it was Nanoha having a huge house for just her and her daughter. There is lots of space going to waste there, and that's what I was pointing out

Edit: Pageclaim for a Vivid version of the StrikerS bed.

......Vivid bed? Sounds like a hentai.

[Dri]

Well, you gotta figure. She probably has visitors and sleepovers a lot, despite her age, and so does Vivio. You can figure out that half of the house is made of guest rooms like in every good anime or eroge. XD

And oh, sorry, I didn't notice you said they pampered their ace. Well, that'd be half-true, I was more thinking that by the end of the JS incident they pamper their soldiers in general, especially those who got injured. ESPECIALLY members of Hayate's team at the time. If I recall, didn't Tiida's death neat Teana enough money to pay for her entire scholarship? I don't know how the Mid-Childan economy works, but to pay for someone's ENTIRE scholarship, military school or not... paid job or not... that can't be cheap.

Even so, I'd have to look it up, but considering that Nanoha and Fate are both extremely high-ranked, that alone is probably enough money to buy a mansion. I mean, let's see... by ViVid, Nanoha and Fate are both 23-24 and thus have just about 14-15 years of service in the TSAB... if this were the real world, given their ranks, they would be getting something along the lines of 80,000 USD per year, getting close to 90,000 USD. That doesn't account for all the bonuses, medals and stuff they'd have gotten on the way.

What else are they gonna spend their money on other than a really nice car (like Fate's!) and a house? XD

[BPHaru]

Which is what I said. "I'm thinking that the military pampers it's ace's" but at the same time, the point of it was Nanoha having a huge house for just her and her daughter. There is lots of space going to waste there, and that's what I was pointing out
And Fate, she may not be the while time there but we can't forget Vivio's Fate-mama ^^
Probably she's helping with the payment too.

Cuídense y sigan sonriendo :)

[Satashi]

Well, you gotta figure. She probably has visitors and sleepovers a lot, despite her age, and so does Vivio. You can figure out that half of the house is made of guest rooms like in every good anime or eroge. XD

And oh, sorry, I didn't notice you said they pampered their ace. Well, that'd be half-true, I was more thinking that by the end of the JS incident they pamper their soldiers in general, especially those who got injured. ESPECIALLY members of Hayate's team at the time. If I recall, didn't Tiida's death neat Teana enough money to pay for her entire scholarship? I don't know how the Mid-Childan economy works, but to pay for someone's ENTIRE scholarship, military school or not... paid job or not... that can't be cheap.

Even so, I'd have to look it up, but considering that Nanoha and Fate are both extremely high-ranked, that alone is probably enough money to buy a mansion. I mean, let's see... by ViVid, Nanoha and Fate are both 23-24 and thus have just about 14-15 years of service in the TSAB... if this were the real world, given their ranks, they would be getting something along the lines of 80,000 USD per year, getting close to 90,000 USD. That doesn't account for all the bonuses, medals and stuff they'd have gotten on the way.

What else are they gonna spend their money on other than a really nice car (like Fate's!) and a house? XD

Well, my father was in the marines and when I asked him he gave me some details and I checked it out online. The (active duty) rank of O8, the highest officer payrank seems to pay $10,898.10 a year for 14-16 years of service. Now take in mind that amount is way under minimal wage and the military only gives you that since you don't have another job. You get your meals for free, but you have to buy your own at other places (go to a bar, club, ect)

This means that given their super high amazing powers that everyone is gaga over, you could double that pay or even triple it, ranking to only about 33k a year, which is only "decent" depending on where you live. (in Florida I think even that is under minimal wage or round-about it?) I'm guessing Nanoha living in that huge city with the school Vivio is in...

So even if you triple the standard active duty pay, that's no where NEAR enough for Nanoha to have that house and take care of Vivio.

My guess is that Nanoha ISN'T rich, but she was given a house from the military since she turned down her promotions. And is "Taken care of" by not having her pay for her living quarters/Vivio's tuition.

(my numbers came from a veteran, my father, and the official military pay charts)

So, to get the super high numbers, they would have to work for the government directly, which they don't.

In other words, we don't know how their pay works at all and can only speculate on something that will probably never be answered >.< Guess we'll never know. But anyway, it was fun to think about :3

On another note, Nanoha is "the ex-sky-ace" and "resting her wings". I wonder, did she choose to do this so she could take care of Vivio or because she was forced to? I kind of like the idea of Fate supporting Nanoha with funds (not just in a shipping sense, but as a best friend sense, and because Vivio is "half hers")

[Dri]

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/fy2009paycharts/a/salenlless.-uXb.htm

This is where I got the salaries from, and it's way more than what you just said. I'm not sure why there's such a huge difference between what would be the army and what would be the marines.

I also figure that Nanoha is eligible for the off-base housing bonus, tax advantage, possibly the food allowance since they get free food at the TSAB and who knows what else.

But yeah, you're right. There's really no way to know but to speculate. Still, it's an interesting subject, but as tends to be the case in animes: the main character's parents are probably rich unless the contrary is said, and the main character is always receiving some ridiculous salary for a simple job just because he or she is that damn good.

I wouldn't say Nanoha is "rich", but I'd say she's comfortable enough that no bill is ever going to bother her. Because really, it's depressing to picture Nanoha full of debts.

[Jimmy C]

the main character's parents are probably rich unless the contrary is said,
Not for Nanoha. We know her parents' background already.

the main character is always receiving some ridiculous salary for a simple job just because he or she is that damn good.

It's not that simple a job and she probably already has loads of hazard bonus for saving multiple worlds plenty of times.

[Dri]

Not for Nanoha. We know her parents' background already.We know her parents from an alternate reality setting, which doesn't account for everything, sadly. The series itself doesn't give us much to work with, although it's implied that they live a very, very comfortable life without any worries and that her mother's bakery (or whatever it is, I kinda forgot) is super-popular.

[Satashi]

I think we can probably all agree on "hazard pay" and the like. "Ace" rank is rare (judging from StrikerS first episodes where the mages Hayate was with had never even seen and S+ mage before, and they're in the service). So I'd believe that Nanoha is "treated like a friend" to the TSAB to keep her interest in teaching. Because they know that if,say, the navy wanted Nanoha then they could bribe her with more pay/ect. So Nanoha is able to live a nice life in return for her services.

Oh! Kind of like "I'll work for you, IF" instead of "Can I work for you?" type of deal :D That sounds good :3(not that Nanoha would say those words, but general concept)

@Dri: I looked at your chart and that's just for the "E" grade, not the "O", which makes lots more. I wonder what the differnce is... I'm not gonna ask my father 'cause I'd rather not talk to him more than I have to, but it's weird to see. I got mine from military.com

[Dri]

The military payment charts are very confusing and I think we all agree Nanoha is probably just swimming in awards and favors anyway, so the actual number is probably moot. XD Although, if I had to guess.

O probably stands for Officer, IE the people who're behind the front lines.
E meanwhile stands for Enlisted, which would be the people going out and risking their lives.
Makes sense that they'd pay the Enlisted people way more, but-- well, I'm just making a very very wild guess here. I could be incredibly wrong.

I remember that one line from one of the episodes that said that they put Hayate, Fate and Nanoha in three different branches of the Military so that 'none were more powerful than the other'. I think that's hilarious and shows their worth right there. XD

[Tempy]

The chart Dri shows is in regards to the Enlisted ranks, thus the "E" designation. Specifically, it shows pay grade based on years of service and your rank.

Enlisted are your regular soldiers: Private up to Sergeant Major, depending on your military branch. As the table shows, even lower ranked folks get paid a pretty penny given that they spend a good number of years in service.

The "O" designation is for Officers, when you go from a grunt to a leader (typically). Officers are obviously paid more. As your rank increases and you put more years into service, you get paid significantly more.

The reason officers get paid more is because of their increased responsibilities, not just their performance. A sergeant is responsible for a squad or patrol, 8-16 men. A Captain like Nanoha would be responsible for a company, 70-250 soldiers. Hayate and her Lt. Colonel position would have her responsible for a battalion, 300-1000 soldiers.

This is the Officer's graph (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/fy2008paycharts/a/saloffmore.htm), though 2008 version. Same set up as the Enlisted table. If we are to assume that the TSAB's paygrades are similar to the US military, then Nanoha as a Captain...

She's what, 23 years old in Vivid? If she started service immediately at age 9... 14 years of service... hmm well it doesn't look like the years match up too well, but suffice to say, her annual salary is at least over $92,000 (active duty). If she was smart, she would've accepted at least one promotion, thus boosting her pay over $100,000. There's also the possibility of bonuses, severance pay, hazard pay, etc. Combined with Fate's salary, yeah I think they can pay for that house.

And yes this means Hayate alone makes about $128,000 a year.

[prescience]

Are you talking about the March edit to the Ship-to-Ship Combat page? Or the April edit to the Nanoha page? :confused:

I was talking about an edit to the Nanoha series page saying that Nanoha and Fate were confirmed as being together. It seems to have popped up in the last few days or so. I can't seem to find any record of it being added in the page history, though... :confused:

Edit: I wonder whether Midchildan cars work the same way as Earth cars do (internal combustion engine and so on), or whether they use some magic-based propulsion system. It would be quite amusing to find that Fate had imported a Ferrari from Earth...

Either way, it would have to be pretty expensive. And I don't suppose there's a fixed exchange rate between dollars or yen or whatever and Midchildan currency... :p

[Dri]

The chart Dri shows is in regards to the Enlisted ranks, thus the "E" designation. Specifically, it shows pay grade based on years of service and your rank.

Enlisted are your regular soldiers: Private up to Sergeant Major, depending on your military branch. As the table shows, even lower ranked folks get paid a pretty penny given that they spend a good number of years in service.

The "O" designation is for Officers, when you go from a grunt to a leader (typically). Officers are obviously paid more. As your rank increases and you put more years into service, you get paid significantly more.

The reason officers get paid more is because of their increased responsibilities, not just their performance. A sergeant is responsible for a squad or patrol, 8-16 men. A Captain like Nanoha would be responsible for a company, 70-250 soldiers. Hayate and her Lt. Colonel position would have her responsible for a battalion, 300-1000 soldiers.

This is the Officer's graph (http://usmilitary.about.com/od/fy2008paycharts/a/saloffmore.htm), though 2008 version. Same set up as the Enlisted table. If we are to assume that the TSAB's paygrades are similar to the US military, then Nanoha as a Captain...

She's what, 23 years old in Vivid? If she started service immediately at age 9... 14 years of service... hmm well it doesn't look like the years match up too well, but suffice to say, her annual salary is at least over $92,000 (active duty). If she was smart, she would've accepted at least one promotion, thus boosting her pay over $100,000. There's also the possibility of bonuses, severance pay, hazard pay, etc. Combined with Fate's salary, yeah I think they can pay for that house.

And yes this means Hayate alone makes about $128,000 a year.Oh, that works. Thank you for clearing it up-- although that doesn't help clear the confusion about his father who was only being paid 10 grands per year and he was an officer?

[Dri]

I was talking about an edit to the Nanoha series page saying that Nanoha and Fate were confirmed as being together. It seems to have popped up in the last few days or so. I can't seem to find any record of it being added in the page history, though... :confused:

Edit: I wonder whether Midchildan cars work the same way as Earth cars do (internal combustion engine and so on), or whether they use some magic-based propulsion system. It would be quite amusing to find that Fate had imported a Ferrari from Earth...

Either way, it would have to be pretty expensive. And I don't suppose there's a fixed exchange rate between dollars or yen or whatever and Midchildan currency... :pThey abolished all forms of conventional fuel along with conventional weaponry, if I recall. More than likely, everything in the Nanohaverse (on Mid-Childa, anyway) is magitech powered, so to speak, because pollution used to be a serious problem. Whatever it is that their Devices, drones and other random stuff are fueled by.

[Tempy]

That $10k pay isn't per year. It's per month.

A 14-year O-8 (a Major General) is paid $10,898.10 a month, resulting in about $130,777.20 in a year.

[Dri]

That $10k pay isn't per year. It's per month.... I are ultimate noob. XD

I wish I could learn to read better. Well, that clocks it up to 120,000 USD per year, which matches into your scale perfectly. Woo!

Edit: Or you fixed the exact number yourself, that works too. But dang that's a lot of money.

[Tempy]

Alright then.

Assuming Nanoha has not accepted any promotions, with 14 years of service as a O-3 Captain...

$5,844.90 monthly. $70,138.80 a year basic pay, no incentives, bonuses, etc. This is according to 2009 US military pay chart.

With incentives, bonuses, etc., it will obviously be more than that. Combined with Fate's pay, I reiterate: Yes, they can maintain that standard of living.

[Dri]

Well, according to the StrikerS epilogue, Nanoha was offered "several promotions" but apparently declined all of them and retired from active duty (due to her injuries) to focus entirely on being an instructor.

But even so; I mean, even if her salary dropped because of this, which I doubt it did due to the hazard pay the JS incident must have demanded, we can probably assume that, since Nanoha is a role model little girl, she has been saving up her salary money since she started getting paychecks (and probably sent parts of it to her family, if anything). So the wealth at her disposal must be... impressive, for a girl her age.

[Keroko]

So, to get the super high numbers, they would have to work for the government directly, which they don't.

Considering the TSAB is the government of Mid Childa, and they are working for the TSAB, yes they do.

On another note, Nanoha is "the ex-sky-ace" and "resting her wings". I wonder, did she choose to do this so she could take care of Vivio or because she was forced to? I kind of like the idea of Fate supporting Nanoha with funds (not just in a shipping sense, but as a best friend sense, and because Vivio is "half hers")

Yes, it has been stated that she is resting her wongs in order to take care of Vivio.

As for Fate supporting Nanoha and Vivio financially... I don't think she needs it, but it wouldn't surprise me. It's not as if Fate has a lot of expenses while cruising around the Dimensional Sea.

[Tempy]

Doubt it.

Midchildan cash won't work in converting into Japanese yen.

Nanoha has EVERYTHING to her self.

Edit: Dammit Keroko you ninja'd me.

[Dri]

Doubt it.

Midchildan cash won't work in converting into Japanese yen.

Nanoha has EVERYTHING to her self.

Edit: Dammit Keroko you ninja'd me.Oh, right, I forgot Earth was an unadministrated world, not part of the Mid-Childan official space. Well there we have it, then, Nanoha has a pool full of monies and probably takes a dive in it every morning.

[MeisterBabylon]

Before tax or after tax? :uhoh:

Though there might be the case where TSAB's best are paid a lot but lack the time to go and spend it, so when they do spend... It just seems excessive?

And imagine an entire industry spawned just to cater to these zillionaires.

Suddenly, that huge house (and base) with too many bells and whistles fits into a certain perspective.

[BPHaru]

With all this issue about their money, Fate's car comes to my mind.
I wonder if they still have it?

Cuídense y sigan sonriendo :)

[Keroko]

I don't see why not. Good cars can last for a long time.

[Dri]

Before tax or after tax? :uhoh:

Though there might be the case where TSAB's best are paid a lot but lack the time to go and spend it, so when they do spend... It just seems excessive?

And imagine an entire industry spawned just to cater to these zillionaires.

Suddenly, that huge house (and base) with too many bells and whistles fits into a certain perspective.That'd seem realistic, yeah. I seem to recall that in Sound Stage X, the gang crashes at Subaru's house, and they describe it as being pretty awesome-- except Subaru's not even home half of the time to even enjoy it following all her promotions and walking in Nanoha's footsteps.

Meanwhile Teana and Fate were off /living on a spaceship/ for several months at a time, so it's even more true in their case that being home is a greater luxury than money itself. In fact, looking at ViVid's first chapter...

We have Fate saying "the ship is being repaired, so I can be home for a few days". Which perfectly demonstrates what you just said.

[Keroko]

We have Fate saying "the ship is being repaired, so I can be home for a few days". Which perfectly demonstrates what you just said.

Guess that means the Nanofate is going to dry up after a few chapters, huh?

Would make sense, having Fate involved with the threat that's going to get Vivio busy would make the story a very short one.

[Dri]

Guess that means the Nanofate is going to dry up after a few chapters, huh?

Would make sense, having Fate involved with the threat that's going to get Vivio busy would make the story a very short one.Probably. At the same time if something bad and powerful happens, especially if it concerns another Ancient Belkan figure, I have a feeling they are going to use that as an excuse for Fate /not/ to leave until they solve the case and figure out if it's linked to Vivio.

[Keroko]

Hmm, true, that certainly is a possibility. Though I still doubt fate is going to be heavily involved in the fighting. This is Vivio's story after all.

[Dri]

Hmm, true, that certainly is a possibility. Though I still doubt fate is going to be heavily involved in the fighting. This is Vivio's story after all.Oh, definitely. They'll figure out ways for her to be delayed, like Fate having to investigate somewhere else and Vivio being caught in the fighting at the opposite end of the city, meaning Fate can't get there fast enough even if she uses Blitz Action/Sonic Move.

They'll figure something out.

So, anyone else picture Blitz Action and Sonic/Flash Move as Clock Up from Kamen Rider Kabuto? And while we're at it, Reactor Purge and Barrier Burst as Cast Off?

(Yeah, you have a Kamen Rider fan on your hands here.)

[Keroko]

personally though, I would prefer Fate to do her research of-screen and have the Nakajima-ke do the on-screen research. Kaiser knows they deserve the page-time.

[Kazu-kun]

personally though, I would prefer Fate to do her research of-screen and have the Nakajima-ke do the on-screen research. Kaiser knows they deserve the page-time.

But Fate is more popular, and Nanoha is all about pleasing the audience.

[Dri]

If chapter 1 is any indication, the Nakajima Numbers (+ Ginga, maybe) are going to get important screentime.

I'm /hoping/ for Subaru screentime, even if it's not her story. She's the punching and kicking guru of the TSAB, you figure she could teach Vivio the basics (when she's not too hyper to hold in place and be serious).

[Sheba]

I don't need to see Fate doing a on-screen investigation unless she pull a Monk, don shades like Caruso, or slap her workmates behind the head like Gibbs. Sadly, she is too mellow to do one of the tree.

It makes me wish that Chrono was still Enforcer, at least you can expect him doing a Sugita-flavored Grissom.

[Keroko]

But Fate is more popular, and Nanoha is all about pleasing the audience.

As Dri mentioned, the Nakajima-ke is already in on the situation, and are likely to get their pagetime. I sincerely hope that Vivid doesn't devolve to 'throwing in Fate 'cause the audience wants Fate' we'll get our 'Fate as an Enforcer' fix in Force, so lets keep Vivid focusing in the younger generation (which, coincidentally, is also something the first chapter points out).

[Dri]

I wouldn't mind /some/ Fate and Nanoha in ViVid, mind; or, obviously, a team up between Vita and Vivio for the bunnies, or Vivio and Subaru for the kung fu. But yeah, I'm mostly waiting to see what Force brings us.

On the bright side? Since all main characters are in Force, it means none will die in ViVid. If anyone dies, it will be ViVid-only characters. THIS MEANS WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT FORESHADOWING YAY. <3

[Nya~n]

Death in ViVid? Kaiser forbid! Think of the kids!

[prescience]

Think of the Kaiser!

[XenahortCharybdis]

Think of the Kaiser!

You mean, think of the brains that were being wasted making those last two posts!

Just kidding.

Anyway, if people are to die, then people are to die. It ain't our comic to draw anyway; it's just a matter of how they're going to die.

[Dri]

I'm pretty sure with the tone ViVid set that no one will die at all and that everyone will end up befriended. Force is what I worry about, going back to a discussion almost fourty pages ago.

[MeisterBabylon]

Why fear death, when the world's greatest heroes, or the world's greatest knights, they are only mortal?

[Satashi]

(I messed up on my numbers, theyt were month, not year, so now everyone matches <3)


As for Fate's car, I think she probably leaves it in Nanoha's garage. So when she gets home, she can drive around. You don't need it on a ship afterall. Also, I'm rooting for Nanoha to have a minivan. that would just be hilarious.

For screentime, I hope hope hope HOPE Nanoha remains "off duty" and doesn't fight at all, but judging that Force is a later installment, the chances of her pulling out her staff at the last chapters to fight alongside Vivio is very great. As for Fate, I don't want her to go away but I don't want her to fight either. Maybe have her assist Vivio is a "behind the scenes" kind of way. Like an assistant: Vivio can't do something but Fate can, so Fate does it to help Vivio's...wait, Vivio isn't enlisted is she? Just in training? So... *thinks* there are going to be a lot of rules broken in this series....

[prescience]

Given that Force is set two years later (and not immediately after), I see it as more likely that Nanoha will remain out of commission for the whole of ViVid, and only get pulled back in when things start heating up in Force.

LOL @ the Nanohavan idea. I suspect she drives like crazy, too... :p

[Dri]

(I messed up on my numbers, theyt were month, not year, so now everyone matches <3)


As for Fate's car, I think she probably leaves it in Nanoha's garage. So when she gets home, she can drive around. You don't need it on a ship afterall. Also, I'm rooting for Nanoha to have a minivan. that would just be hilarious.

For screentime, I hope hope hope HOPE Nanoha remains "off duty" and doesn't fight at all, but judging that Force is a later installment, the chances of her pulling out her staff at the last chapters to fight alongside Vivio is very great. As for Fate, I don't want her to go away but I don't want her to fight either. Maybe have her assist Vivio is a "behind the scenes" kind of way. Like an assistant: Vivio can't do something but Fate can, so Fate does it to help Vivio's...wait, Vivio isn't enlisted is she? Just in training? So... *thinks* there are going to be a lot of rules broken in this series....I'm pretty sure Vivio would count as a cadet. She's clearly in a TSAB school since people are swinging Devices around freely and she's clearly learning how to beamspam and use magic in general. There -might- be a better term than cadet for people in her situation but if I had to guess that's the closest thing we've got right now.

Which while it doesn't make her -enlisted-, I think it makes her eligible for deployment on a voluntary basis. And even if it doesn't, I'm going to assume that they have fun mini-missions set up for the trainees to learn what they'll be doing later. Nothing saying that Really Bad Things(tm) can't happen in those otherwise-controlled missions; it's a fairly overused plot device, after all. "This was only supposed to be a recon job..."

[Jimmy C]

I'm pretty sure Vivio would count as a cadet. She's clearly in a TSAB school since people are swinging Devices around freely and she's clearly learning how to beamspam and use magic in general.

Nope, she's still in the Belkan Saint Hilde magic academy, which she enrolled in at the end of Strikers. Also, we already know Devices aren't restricted or even regulated technology back in Strikers.
Much as I would prefer otherwise, I suspect Vivio isn't even working part-time for the Bureau (like her mamas at this age) yet.

[Dri]

Nope, she's still in the Belkan Saint Hilde magic academy, which she enrolled in at the end of Strikers. Also, we already know Devices aren't restricted or even regulated technology back in Strikers.
Much as I would prefer otherwise, I suspect Vivio isn't even working part-time for the Bureau (like her mamas at this age) yet.Really? But isn't the Church's academy (and heck, the Church itself) pretty much tied to the TSAB anyway? They're always sending in agents to help and all that, so I'd figured they were a (distant) branch of the Bureau, especially with how some of their knights seem to hang around Signum a lot.

Though, that's odd, I'd have thought it was a regulated technology; not too harshly, but they wouldn't want them to fall into criminal hands either. I mean, look at Jail, he didn't have a single Device in his entire armament unless his funky laser-rope-shooting glove was one. And I seem to recall Chrono making a fuss about Raising Heart ending up in a civilian's lap, though that might just be because it counts as TSAB-property or something.

[Arkeus]

Though, that's odd, I'd have thought it was a regulated technology; not too harshly, but they wouldn't want them to fall into criminal hands either. I mean, look at Jail, he didn't have a single Device in his entire armament unless his funky laser-rope-shooting glove was one. And I seem to recall Chrono making a fuss about Raising Heart ending up in a civilian's lap, though that might just be because it counts as TSAB-property or something.

Uh...RH was in the hand of someone from a non-administered world, a world that wasn't aware of magic. That's a big difference right there.

Devices... A CRIMINAL like Fate wasn't confiscated her Device in MGLN, nor was she when she was having her trial.

we don't see many devices in civilians hands mostly because we haven't seen any civilian's mage but yuuno, and he had RH.

[itanshi1]

RH is a lost logia? I'd think he just found it. It needs an episode, but yeah no confiscation so my argument is eh, only exploratory.

[Evangelion Xgouki]

So, anyone else picture Blitz Action and Sonic/Flash Move as Clock Up from Kamen Rider Kabuto? And while we're at it, Reactor Purge and Barrier Burst as Cast Off?

(Yeah, you have a Kamen Rider fan on your hands here.)

We've talked about that in the OCT lloooooonnnngggggg ago :p

[Dri]

We've talked about that in the OCT lloooooonnnngggggg ago :pYeah well I'm new. =(

I wouldn't mind seeing how that turned out. XD

[Keroko]

Nope, she's still in the Belkan Saint Hilde magic academy, which she enrolled in at the end of Strikers. Also, we already know Devices aren't restricted or even regulated technology back in Strikers.
Much as I would prefer otherwise, I suspect Vivio isn't even working part-time for the Bureau (like her mamas at this age) yet.

You have to remember that Subaru and Teana did not enlist until they were, what, 12 and 13 respectively? And they had reasons for joining so soon. Vivio meanwhile is having fun with her friends in school, she's in no rush to leave them and join the Bureau. Not without a reason to join as soon as possible.

Really? But isn't the Church's academy (and heck, the Church itself) pretty much tied to the TSAB anyway? They're always sending in agents to help and all that, so I'd figured they were a (distant) branch of the Bureau, especially with how some of their knights seem to hang around Signum a lot.

No they're not. The Belkan have their own separate forces and even government (hence the 'Belka governed regions') they're definitely not a branch of the Bureau, but more a co-operative party.

And some of their knights have a damn good reason to hang around Signum a lot considering Signum is one of only four genuine Old Belkan knights. Those four are like treasure troves for the Saint Church.

Though, that's odd, I'd have thought it was a regulated technology; not too harshly, but they wouldn't want them to fall into criminal hands either. I mean, look at Jail, he didn't have a single Device in his entire armament unless his funky laser-rope-shooting glove was one. And I seem to recall Chrono making a fuss about Raising Heart ending up in a civilian's lap, though that might just be because it counts as TSAB-property or something.

Jail wasn't magical, so of course he wouldn't have any magical Devices. Chrono was more making a fuss about someone completely unrelated from an unadministered world getting one of those in their hands.

Besides, we now also have Rio with her own Device. And Devices do more than just allow you to shoot things. It's like banning kitchen knives. Just because you can use them as weapons doesn't mean they should be banned.

RH is a lost logia? I'd think he just found it. It needs an episode, but yeah no confiscation so my argument is eh, only exploratory.

Raising Heart isn't a Lost Logia. If it was, Nanoha wouldn't have needed a cartridge upgrade against Vita. Heck, it would have been confiscated as a Lost Logia way back in S1.

[Nina.Wolken]

As for Fate's car, I think she probably leaves it in Nanoha's garage. So when she gets home, she can drive around. You don't need it on a ship afterall. Also, I'm rooting for Nanoha to have a minivan. that would just be hilarious.

I love the idea too : http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2797/voxy.th.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=voxy.jpg), still I'm not even sure Nanoha ever got her licence... Even in the SS, it's always Fate who is driving Nanoha around...

^(alright, not really a minivan, but that's the closest thing I found)

[JINNSK]

Jail wasn't magical, so of course he wouldn't have any magical Devices. Chrono was more making a fuss about someone completely unrelated from an unadministered world getting one of those in their hands.
Jail's device was executed by magical power.Chronicle's explanation said it.(He used the device in AMF however it's a magical device)

[Keroko]

I love the idea too : http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2797/voxy.th.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=voxy.jpg), still I'm not even sure Nanoha ever got her licence... Even in the SS, it's always Fate who is driving Nanoha around...

It's her car after all. :p That aside, if Fate parks her car at Nanoha's, then I would think Nanoha uses Fate's car. With Fate being gone most of the time, she might as well put that car to good use.

Jail's device was executed by magical power.Chronicle's explanation said it.(He used the device in AMF however it's a magical device)

They do? Well, since their technology is Belkan in origin that shouldn't have surprised me as much as it did. <_<

[Nina.Wolken]

It's her car after all.

Not in the first StS SS when they are spending their holidays on Earth. I guess it was a car lend by the TSAB Fate was driving then. I'm sure this information about Nanoha is somewhere, but I can't put my finger on it >.>'.

[JINNSK]

They do? Well, since their technology is Belkan in origin that shouldn't have surprised me as much as it did. <_<

...ah,:heh:His magic style is mentioned as following.

From Chronicle page 17
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/tmp/doctors_device.jpg

魔力駆動のデバイスだが、術式はミッド・ベルカどちらとも異なる独自の運用式によって成されて いる。

According to this,the device is not Mid and Belka.It's his unique magic style.

[Satashi]

Random thought here, but about devices. There are storage devices, Intelligent devices, ect. In Vivid, Vivio's friend stated that Vivio's cell phone was a "communication device"

So you have civilian communication devices that allow them to interact with magical objects, brigning up the floating monitors, making calls, storing date, ect. Like our cell phones these days, a general all around unseful thing to have.

Then the storage devices which are used for "weapons". Standard police I'm assuming. Also the standard military mages. (Remember, even Chrono used a storage device).

After that, intelligent devices that are able to think and act on their own. Of course we all know about them, but the rarity seems to be spastic. Isn't Signum's sword/ Vita's hammer only storage devices? But the forwards for intelligent ones. But they also did the whole "cartridge system is dangerous and should never be used" to ten years later being the standard. Granted it's possible, but they made SUCH a big deal about it in A's.

Anyway, so devices seem to be absolute standards to use in their completely magical world, at least in my eyes right now.

And Nanoha NEEDS a van. It fits her so much :3 Vivio would get a VW beetle, of course.

[Dri]

...ah,:heh:His magic style is mentioned as following.

From Chronicle page 17
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/tmp/doctors_device.jpg



According to this,the device is not Mid and Belka.It's his unique magic style.Oh wow, that's interesting. I had a hunch his gloves were a Device of some sort-- but I was closer to thinking that, like the Numbers, it was more raw technology than magic. Then again, the Numbers use some really funky magic too-- is it the same as Jail's glove?

And what are the gloves called, if that white text in bold is a name?

[Estavali]

Just "Scaglietti's Device".

[prescience]

From what I recall, Laevateinn and Graf Eisen are referred to as armed devices, being a level below intelligent devices in terms of sophistication. Revolver Knuckle is also an armed device, and Tea's old Anchorgun was a storage device. Not sure about the forwards' new devices.

About the cartridge system, I got the impression that it was still a relatively new thing to try fitting onto an intelligent device like RH or Bardiche (as opposed to armed devices like Laevateinn and Graf Eisen). By the time of StrikerS, well... technology marches on, so it wouldn't be surprising if things had changed in the intervening time.

[Satashi]

From what I recall, Laevateinn and Graf Eisen are referred to as armed devices, being a level below intelligent devices in terms of sophistication. Revolver Knuckle is also an armed device, and Tea's old Anchorgun was a storage device. Not sure about the forwards' new devices.

About the cartridge system, I got the impression that it was still a relatively new thing to try fitting onto an intelligent device like RH or Bardiche (as opposed to armed devices like Laevateinn and Graf Eisen). By the time of StrikerS, well... technology marches on, so it wouldn't be surprising if things had changed in the intervening time.

ah, armed devices! makes more sense.

But this has turned into a topic that is off the manga >< sorry

Soooooo, who wants to bet Vivio has bunny pajamas?

I love the idea too : http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2797/voxy.th.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/my.php?image=voxy.jpg), still I'm not even sure Nanoha ever got her licence... Even in the SS, it's always Fate who is driving Nanoha around...

^(alright, not really a minivan, but that's the closest thing I found)

winvan is made of win

[Keroko]

...ah,:heh:His magic style is mentioned as following.

From Chronicle page 17
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/tmp/doctors_device.jpg



According to this,the device is not Mid and Belka.It's his unique magic style.

So he does have magic... and here I was assuming he didn't. Oh well, you learn new things every day.

[FlameSparkZ]

So he does have magic... and here I was assuming he didn't. Oh well, you learn new things every day.

From what I can read...he does have magic. :twitch:
I also see "Maryoku" (Magic Power) in the first line, so...:uhoh:

[Rising Dragon]

Well, artificial mages and combat cyborgs both wield magic themselves, so if Jail's another artificial being like Due suggested, I don't see why he wouldn't have the ability to cast magic...

[Arkeus]

Well, artificial mages and combat cyborgs both wield magic themselves, so if Jail's another artificial being like Due suggested, I don't see why he wouldn't have the ability to cast magic...

Well Numbers are said to use another energy source (not magic), hence the assumption by soem of us Jail did too.

[Rising Dragon]

Well Numbers are said to use another energy source (not magic), hence the assumption by soem of us Jail did too.

Oh, I realized that. But combat cyborgs are capable of using magic, as we've seen with the Nakajima sisters, hence my assumption (that Jail could use magic).

[MeisterBabylon]

So he does have magic... and here I was assuming he didn't. Oh well, you learn new things every day.Then how does he operate under AMF? :twitch: There's a chance that maryoku is part of a context that would've meant that it's not magical... :heh:

[NorthernFallout]

Before it's getting even more off-topic -> http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=44194

And on a related note, still looking forward seeing how they will tie these two together.

[Rising Dragon]

Seemed to me that there were varying levels of AMF. Weaker AMFs like those used by the Gadgets could only neutralize some, but not all magic, and then there were really strong AMFs like that deployed by the Cradle after Vivio was befriended.

[Outlaender]

The word Strada does not exist in German, it's pretty much the Spain word for "Street".

Well it shows that not all Armed Devices have german names.
Laevantin is another case, as the name comes from a sword from norse mythology.



True. I still hate the "Windel" though... I can't take a Device serious that is named "diaper shaft" in my language. :uhoh:
Let's change it alt least to "Vindel/r"or "Bindel/r" :heh:


Perhaps it's supposed to be something like "Windmühl Shaft" Windmill Shaft. Japanese pronunciations of western words can be pretty funky, after all. Gratuitous anectdote- "Beito" apparently comes from "Arbeit", the German word for work.


Actually, I'm surprised that Vivio is so ready and eager to transform into Kaiser Mode. I'd have thought that she and Nanoha would have some reservations about the Kaiser's legacy, after the trauma it caused them both. One thing's for sure, Vivio knows exactly how far her mother is willing to go for her sake.

[Keroko]

Kind of forgotten in the flurry of scans and scanlations, but has anyone found a scan of the Vivid character page yet? All we have so far is this tiny one (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/Liinna/Nanoha/manga/1243311604.jpg) which I'm not sure is big enough to give the translators even a chance to translate...

[FlameSparkZ]

Kind of forgotten in the flurry of scans and scanlations, but has anyone found a scan of the Vivid character page yet? All we have so far is this tiny one (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/Liinna/Nanoha/manga/1243311604.jpg) which I'm not sure is big enough to give the translators even a chance to translate...
Yeah, I don't think there is a bigger version...yet :uhoh:

Also...any suggestions on VA's for the new characters? :)

[Nina.Wolken]

Looks like I missed this page among the scans too (unfortunatly I still didn't received my copy of July CompAce u_u'). But damn, this article is such a tease already from what I see : speaking of Vivio "Nanoha&Fate's daughter?!"
They sure know how to make fans going crazy :heh:...

[Keroko]

Also...any suggestions on VA's for the new characters? :)

I need a bit more info on their personalities before I'm going to make any calls on that. :p

Looks like I missed this page among the scans too (unfortunatly I still didn't received my copy of July CompAce u_u'). But damn, this article is such a tease already from what I see : speaking of Vivio "Nanoha&Fate's daughter?!"
They sure know how to make fans going crazy :heh:...

Any answers to that question you can read? Or do the kanji become blurs beyond that. :heh:

[Sheba]

Also...any suggestions on VA's for the new characters? :)

Wakamoto Norio or Peter Cullen for Kris, please.

[Fishfood1]

Wakamoto Norio or Peter Cullen for Kris, please.

that would be so hilarious, yet awesome :heh:

[Dri]

The Nakajima sisters (Ginga and Subaru) use magic because they are clones of a would-be Ace (Quint Nakajima); they were THEN retrofitted into Combat Cyborgs, most likely before they were ever conscious. This means that they have a Linker Core, which is essential to use the two main styles of magic that we know about-- and which aren't present in all life forms. Humans, for instance, are said not to have Linker Cores except in very rare cases (IE Nanoha, Hayate). You'll also remember that Fate, Erio and Zest are also artificial clones of established mages (or artificial mages) and can obviously use magic.

The Numbers were, for the most part, created out of random gene pools that aren't given any background info. They were either basic humans to start with or were Combat Cyborgs from the start (however that works). Their magic is fueled by something inside them, most likely a smaller version of what Jail and Quattro used to power up Vivio. It's never really revealed, so that's the best we can assume. They don't use "magic" so much as they use "reverse engineered magic" which is based on technology. Proof of concept may simply be in the fact that unlike actual magic, the Numbers' attacks cause visible, bleeding wounds, something all members of the TSAB seem to be able to avoid, even Signum when she cuts clean through someone. It's criminal-friendly magic!

This stuff I remember digging out of the Japanese Nanoha wiki using babelfish at some point in time.

AMFs... are plot devices. The Aces seem to be able to circumvent even the strongest ones, possibly out of either sheer power or experience. The Forwards, as demonstrated by how Subaru and Teana whine when they enter the Craddle, aren't that good yet. But even Nanoha and Hayate can't ignore the AMF when they're exhausted, so it's not foolproof.

Now, on Jail using magic... maybe he just has a Linker Core? I mean it's pretty likely he was born on Mid-Childa or that, if he's able to clone himself at will by shoving his baby clones in the Combat Cyborgs, that he's able to give himself a Linker Core or other means of using magic. The guy's /good/, after all.

Whew, I think I'm caught up on everything that got discussed.

[Nina.Wolken]

Any answers to that question you can read? Or do the kanji become blurs beyond that. :heh:

Thats would be under Vivio's pic if there was more information, but that's too tiny, too blury u_u'. I can only get "futari ga mama" (both are [her] mother) and "Nanoha and Fate..." that comes just after, but nothing more.
Doesn't really help...

As for Stratos VA, I would like a deep voice, something quite imposing (not an easy request...).

[Satashi]

The whole "Nanoha and Fate's daughter" thing is pushing a little too hard. Vivio states clearly that Nanoha and Fate are best friends since they were nine, but the whole dual parenting roles stated everywhere are just.... Actually it's become rather annoying. I wish they'd just either just show Nanoha and Fate kissing or stop reminding us every picture that Vivio is their daughter >.< FFS just let the reminders drop and show the cuteness. It's like "previously on dragonball Z, geeku was charging a move!"

>.< I'm sorry, I'm just annoyed and have a headache

[Dri]

The whole "Nanoha and Fate's daughter" thing is pushing a little too hard. Vivio states clearly that Nanoha and Fate are best friends since they were nine, but the whole dual parenting roles stated everywhere are just.... Actually it's become rather annoying. I wish they'd just either just show Nanoha and Fate kissing or stop reminding us every picture that Vivio is their daughter >.< FFS just let the reminders drop and show the cuteness. It's like "previously on dragonball Z, geeku was charging a move!"

>.< I'm sorry, I'm just annoyed and have a headacheThey can't. Part of the series' charm is exactly that; the couplings, although HEAVILY implied, are left open, that way you only anger a minimal amount of fans.

[Sheba]

that would be so hilarious, yet awesome :heh:

You have either the Emperor of Britannia/Chiyo's Dad effect or the Optimus Prime effect. Win on both fronts.

[Dark Wing]

Actually, I'm surprised that Vivio is so ready and eager to transform into Kaiser Mode. I'd have thought that she and Nanoha would have some reservations about the Kaiser's legacy, after the trauma it caused them both. One thing's for sure, Vivio knows exactly how far her mother is willing to go for her sake.

Well a lot of time has passed since the Vivio's Kaiser incident so both her and Nanoha most likely had time to work on whole trauma thing and beside Vivio said so herself she can't remember very thing that happened back then.

[Nina.Wolken]

I tried to figure wat was said about Stratos : "ヴィヴィオの上級生?" -> Vivio upper classman? ... Nothing we didn't already figure out actually...

[BPHaru]

The whole "Nanoha and Fate's daughter" thing is pushing a little too hard. Vivio states clearly that Nanoha and Fate are best friends since they were nine, but the whole dual parenting roles stated everywhere are just.... Actually it's become rather annoying.
Even if their relationship isn't totally confirmed (yet), it has been highly implied to the point that it's taken as a given. Now with Vivid we see that they are being even more explicit about their relationship as a family, so being positive that long-awaited-kiss seems like a very plausible scenario right now.
Anyway Vivio saying that they're best friends doesn't deny them as a couple (at these extremes it isn't like something can break their bond ^^). For the way she said the phrase she sees that their relationship is much stronger than with everyone else.

Cuídense y sigan sonriendo :)

[Dark Wing]

The Numbers were, for the most part, created out of random gene pools that aren't given any background info. They were either basic humans to start with or were Combat Cyborgs from the start (however that works). Their magic is fueled by something inside them, most likely a smaller version of what Jail and Quattro used to power up Vivio. It's never really revealed, so that's the best we can assume. They don't use "magic" so much as they use "reverse engineered magic" which is based on technology. Proof of concept may simply be in the fact that unlike actual magic, the Numbers' attacks cause visible, bleeding wounds, something all members of the TSAB seem to be able to avoid, even Signum when she cuts clean through someone. It's criminal-friendly magic!

This stuff I remember digging out of the Japanese Nanoha wiki using babelfish at some point in time.

However I believe Estavali mentioned in the Magical Technology Thread that and I quote...

IIRC Nanohawiki mentioned that a mage can decide whether to set magical damage to "lethal" or not.

[Dri]

However I believe Estavali mentioned in the Magical Technology Thread that and I quote...Yes, I just didn't think it needed to be mentioned. Subaru going berserk and losing control is the best example (and Teana when she pushes too far for that matter and unlocks Cross Mirage's V-Dagger mode forcefully), but we can also see that earlier on, Fate's sword drew blood, which implies that to keep the magic non-lethal, there's either training or self-control required which she didn't have at the time.

Nanoha was just so awesome she turned her will to make friends into a stun mode for Raising Heart before she even knew what magic was.

Hayate is also an example of spells requiring control, since she explains that some of her spells are so powerful even she can't fully control them.

[Satashi]

Even if their relationship isn't totally confirmed (yet), it has been highly implied to the point that it's taken as a given. Now with Vivid we see that they are being even more explicit about their relationship as a family, so being positive that long-awaited-kiss seems like a very plausible scenario right now.
Anyway Vivio saying that they're best friends doesn't deny them as a couple (at these extremes it isn't like something can break their bond ^^). For the way she said the phrase she sees that their relationship is much stronger than with everyone else.

Cuídense y sigan sonriendo :)

It does clearly deny them as a couple, or Vivio would have said something other than that they've been best friends since they were nine. Paired with the fact that she states that she still considers Fate a mother and says that she is a precious mama to her, Vivio implies that she sees them as a couple, her parents, but still understands that they are friends.

That poor girl is going to be in therapy before she's 12.

(If you wanna talk about this more, we can take it to the relationship thread, though I won't argue a set pair, just give my interpretation :3 )

@Dri: yeah I know they can't, I was more implying that I wish they would stop bluntly reminding us that they can't every 5 minutes :3

[Dri]

It does clearly deny them as a couple, or Vivio would have said something other than that they've been best friends since they were nine. Paired with the fact that she states that she still considers Fate a mother and says that she is a precious mama to her, Vivio implies that she sees them as a couple, her parents, but still understands that they are friends.

That poor girl is going to be in therapy before she's 12.

(If you wanna talk about this more, we can take it to the relationship thread, though I won't argue a set pair, just give my interpretation :3 )

@Dri: yeah I know they can't, I was more implying that I wish they would stop bluntly reminding us that they can't every 5 minutes :3Well, Vivio IS a child. Love is a form of friendship, and in some cases, the line between true love and best friends is extremely, extremely thin, such as in Nanoha and Fate's case. Then again, Japan in general is much more open to people actually showing their emotions, unlike our silly American ways of 'sentiments make you weak'. Chances are even if they were a couple, Vivio wouldn't be aware of it at her age now would she? XD

[Satashi]

Well, Vivio IS a child. Love is a form of friendship, and in some cases, the line between true love and best friends is extremely, extremely thin, such as in Nanoha and Fate's case. Then again, Japan in general is much more open to people actually showing their emotions, unlike our silly American ways of 'sentiments make you weak'. Chances are even if they were a couple, Vivio wouldn't be aware of it at her age now would she? XD

Two words:

Bunny. couple.

"Aunt Hayate, Nanoha-mama is trying to go to heaven!"

[Dri]

Two words:

Bunny. couple.

"Aunt Hayate, Nanoha-mama is trying to go to heaven!"I was about to answer oh god to that but that would just walk right into your idea of it. XD

Actually I've seen a lot of comics on that that were just hilarious, like Nanoha and Fate snuggling while Vivio was sleeping next to them, she wakes up, catches Fate with her head on Nanoha's chest, goes "can I play too?" and falls asleep on Nanoha while Fate is whining on the side Vivio stole her spot. The joke possibilities are endless. XD

[npal]

Then again, Japan in general is much more open to people actually showing their emotions, unlike our silly American ways of 'sentiments make you weak'.

Now, I know it's offtopic but I had to point this out... That's so far away from the truth, it's actually insane. More times than not, it's the western civilization that's much more open to emotions and emotional outbursts than the asians, in particular the japanese.

In short, do not believe most of what you see in anime and read in manga, the Nanoha-verse is no exception.

[BPHaru]

Well, Vivio IS a child. Love is a form of friendship, and in some cases, the line between true love and best friends is extremely, extremely thin, such as in Nanoha and Fate's case. Then again, Japan in general is much more open to people actually showing their emotions, unlike our silly American ways of 'sentiments make you weak'. Chances are even if they were a couple, Vivio wouldn't be aware of it at her age now would she? XD
lol Indeed
Probably (hopefully!) Vivio's not aware of what her moms have been doing under their bed's sheets xD
Besides that, they have been always very close to each other, so that line is separating two fields that are almost the same.

[Dri]

Now, I know it's offtopic but I had to point this out... That's so far away from the truth, it's actually insane. More times than not, it's the western civilization that's much more open to emotions and emotional outbursts than the asians, in particular the japanese.

In short, do not believe most of what you see in anime and read in manga, the Nanoha-verse is no exception.I don't know, from what /I/ read it's the case, and I've had friends who lived in Japan for a while confirm that it was actually the case. It might be specific to certain regions of Japan, though, if you've got contradicting inside info. But I do know for a fact that people in Europe and Asia are in general much more open than people in the Americas; especially with body contact.

But at the same time I don't think I want to start a debate on cultures and beliefs, so I'll just drop that where it is right now.

[Satashi]

I was about to answer oh god to that but that would just walk right into your idea of it. XD

Actually I've seen a lot of comics on that that were just hilarious, like Nanoha and Fate snuggling while Vivio was sleeping next to them, she wakes up, catches Fate with her head on Nanoha's chest, goes "can I play too?" and falls asleep on Nanoha while Fate is whining on the side Vivio stole her spot. The joke possibilities are endless. XD

I think you're thinking about SeaStar's comics, Diary of Vivio. I love them and did a few short fics based on those ^_^

Speaking of comics and stuff (on topic? wow!) is Vivid a weekly release or monthly?

(This thread is moving alarmingly fast. If anyone wants to chat in real time feel free to join our chatroom, the link is under my signature, I'll be more than happy to extend it to the manga thread permanently <3 )

[Dri]

I think you're thinking about SeaStar's comics, Diary of Vivio. I love them and did a few short fics based on those ^_^

Speaking of comics and stuff (on topic? wow!) is Vivid a weekly release or monthly?

(This thread is moving alarmingly fast. If anyone wants to chat in real time feel free to join our chatroom, the link is under my signature, I'll be more than happy to extend it to the manga thread permanently <3 )Monthly, if I recall, just like Force.

Speaking of Force, we should be getting our new chapter soon, hm?

[Satashi]

Monthly, if I recall, just like Force.

Speaking of Force, we should be getting our new chapter soon, hm?

I'm not reading Force, I don't ahve any expectations for it at all >< someone lemme know if it has promise <3

[Dri]

I'm not reading Force, I don't ahve any expectations for it at all >< someone lemme know if it has promise <3It's looking good in that "it seems like it will give us a lot of Wolkenritter background info" way. It not looking good in that "the foreshadowing implies someone is going to die" way. I'm still undecided on Touma and Lily, who look generic for new characters.

[Satashi]

It's looking good in that "it seems like it will give us a lot of Wolkenritter background info" way. It not looking good in that "the foreshadowing implies someone is going to die" way. I'm still undecided on Touma and Lily, who look generic for new characters.

New characters -.- ugh, that's one of the main reasons I'm not reading it. I don't want new characters, I want depth and background and understanding of a story unfolding around the ones I know and love........But that's not the type of show Nanoha is, afterall.

But really, Wolkenritter? I do like them :3

[Sassy_Bread]

Now, I know it's offtopic but I had to point this out... That's so far away from the truth, it's actually insane. More times than not, it's the western civilization that's much more open to emotions and emotional outbursts than the asians, in particular the japanese.

In short, do not believe most of what you see in anime and read in manga, the Nanoha-verse is no exception.

I'm sorry to veer more off-topic, but would it be more accurate to say that Japan is more open to emotional outbursts and PDAs for "Class S relationships" than to het relationships? I've heard from a site (for a webcomic whose based in Japan, info from the creator's friend who taught in Japan) that the guys and girls had considerable "skinship" with people the same sex as them. Awkward shyness was saved for people the opposite sex as them.

Btw, when is the next chapter of Force coming out? We still need to see the other girl of the trio (I forgot her name)...and whether or not teen!Vivio keeps her bunny...

[selkirk]

Next issue of Nyantype (in which Force is serialized) is scheduled for July 30. Have fun waiting.

[TheShinySword]

I'm sorry to veer more off-topic, but would it be more accurate to say that Japan is more open to emotional outbursts and PDAs for "Class S relationships" than to het relationships? I've heard from a site (for a webcomic whose based in Japan, info from the creator's friend who taught in Japan) that the guys and girls had considerable "skinship" with people the same sex as them. Awkward shyness was saved for people the opposite sex as them.

Btw, when is the next chapter of Force coming out? We still need to see the other girl of the trio (I forgot her name)...and whether or not teen!Vivio keeps her bunny...

Teen Vivio? In force she'll be 12 at most.

[Dri]

Teen Vivio? In force she'll be 12 at most.Vivio is four years old in ViVid, so not even close. Physically she's more like 10-11 though, you'd be right. Teenager is a term that starts applying when you're 13, so she's getting there.
I'm sorry to veer more off-topic, but would it be more accurate to say that Japan is more open to emotional outbursts and PDAs for "Class S relationships" than to het relationships? I've heard from a site (for a webcomic whose based in Japan, info from the creator's friend who taught in Japan) that the guys and girls had considerable "skinship" with people the same sex as them. Awkward shyness was saved for people the opposite sex as them.

Btw, when is the next chapter of Force coming out? We still need to see the other girl of the trio (I forgot her name)...and whether or not teen!Vivio keeps her bunny...Yes, skinship is much more common in Japan. Just about every anime and even live-action series will show you this; public baths are commonplace and no one seems to be shy in them unless they're completely out of place. Men help each others wash their backs, that sort of stuff. And that's just one immediate example I can think of. I'm pretty sure anyone with any amount of Googling skills could look up articles on this and come up with interesting stuff.

Try those things in America, though. You'll get a big fat 'GAY' stamp on the forehead for even thinking about it. But in Japan? No problems with that at all. It's natural for people.

[Evil Rick]

Vivio is four years old in ViVid, so not even close. Physically she's more like 10-11 though, you'd be right. Teenager is a term that starts applying when you're 13, so she's getting there.


How old was Vivio at the end of StrikerS

I think that she was like 4-5 don't?

In that case she would be around 8-10 here.

[Nina.Wolken]

In that case she would be around 8-10 here.

She enters her 4th year in the Saint Church School, so yeah, she is around 10 or 11 even.

@ Dri -> You shouldn't assuming stuff like Vivio's actual age by just looking randomly at the non-translated manga :heh:.

[Dri]

How old was Vivio at the end of StrikerS

I think that she was like 4-5 don't?

In that case she would be around 8-10 here.In StrikerS, she was (probably) freshly created, which means zero. Tack on the four years it takes between StrikerS and ViVid and there we go. But that's an artificial age and it doesn't account for a whole lot. Under the same logic, Fate is much younger than 23-24 (and would be closer to 14-15) since she was 'born' and was already nine physically. Who knows about Erio.

Now, her REAL (mental and physical) age was probably around 5~6 in StrikerS, yeah. Which makes her just about 9~10 in ViVid.

@ Dri -> You shouldn't assuming stuff like Vivio's actual age by just looking randomly at the non-translated manga :heh:.ViVid was already translated. :P Poorly, but it was.

[Evil Rick]

ViVid was already translated. :P Poorly, but it was.

Where? Where can I read this "crappy" translated version of Vivid?

[Nina.Wolken]

ViVid was already translated. :P Poorly, but it was.

I've seen that. But the "4 years old Vivio" statement made so little sens that I thought you based it on the raw versionof the manga.
Still, saying that Vivio is 4 years old because she was created around 4 years ago is still totally irrelevant to me. Because in that case you would have to say that Fate is around what... 15 or 16 years old >_>' (maybe less).
That's just adding confusion where you don't need it.

[Dri]

That's why I specified that it wasn't her real age after, yeah. XD

As for where you can find it, google up 'ViVid scanlation'. It's one of the first links that pops up. (I'd rather not directly link to it, just in case it's against the rules.)

[Keroko]

I don't know how we all missed it, but another forum I frequent pointed out that we do have confirmation on whether or not Fate lives with Nanoha and Vivio. On page 4 Vivio says "I live together with my mama, who is an official"

[Dri]

I don't know how we all missed it, but another forum I frequent pointed out that we do have confirmation on whether or not Fate lives with Nanoha and Vivio. On page 4 Vivio says "I live together with my mama, who is an official"Yeah, but then we're also treated to Fate saying she will be 'able to come home for a few days'. If you were refuting the idea, anyway. I think that pretty much cements the fact they are living together. Then again, look at it this way.

Fate spends months at a time onboard an airship rescuing people across space. She'd have no use for a house of her own when she can just crash at Nanoha's place with her daughter.

[Keroko]

Well... do point out where Fate says she was able to 'come home.' The assumption is easily made by people, but what I am reading is Fate saying "My ship is being serviced, so I'm free until tomorrow afternoon. So I thought I'd come and congratulate you."

In other words, she's visiting.

Now do note this says nothing about the Nanofate relationship (before I get jumped on that). Only that Fate doesn't live with Nanoha and Vivio.

[Nina.Wolken]

I don't know how we all missed it, but another forum I frequent pointed out that we do have confirmation on whether or not Fate lives with Nanoha and Vivio. On page 4 Vivio says "I live together with my mama, who is an official"

I've a question : does "official" equal "government worker"/"public (civil) servant", which is the exact translation for 公務員 / こうむいん actually.


Fate spends months at a time onboard an airship rescuing people across space. She'd have no use for a house of her own when she can just crash at Nanoha's place with her daughter.

Exactly what I said pages ago : Fate is off-planet most of the time, so obviously she is not living on a regular basis with Nanoha and Vivio (which makes Vivio say that she lives with Nanoha only), but everytime she can do so, I guess Fate stay with them at their place. Just look at how she feels at home, using the kitchen and stuff. She definitly doesn't act like a guest.

[itanshi1]

hard to say just how often she is gone and for how long over the past so many years, she is still thought of as mama

[Dri]

hard to say just how often she is gone and for how long over the past so many years, she is still thought of as mamaShe's likely gone for at couple of months at a time, depending on how busy being an Enforcer keeps her. I know SSX tells us a lot about this from Teana's point of view, since she too like Fate spends most of her time off-planet.

Nanoha being an 'official' is probably due to the fact that she 'retired' from active duty but is still considered a government official, IE an instructor and someone they can count on for a hand every once in a while.

And, well, I guess it's ambiguous enough, but there's a point to be made about the fact Fate is definitely not a simple guest in Nanoha's house. Not only is she home before Nanoha, who was seemingly off to buy groceries, but yeah, she's running around like it's her house. Okay, moot point, if her and Nanoha really are bestest friends then she'd probably be doing that anyway.

But I dunno. It just doesn't make any sense for Fate to be living alone when she could be crashing at Nanoha's place and actually help raise her would-be daughter.

[itanshi1]

Its certainly a no brainer. Fate loves kids and the others moved on from her. Man if this was animated, I'd so love to use this song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3bht7S-3vI).

[Keroko]

I've a question : does "official" equal "government worker"/"public (civil) servant", which is the exact translation for 公務員 / こうむいん actually.

Winterbraid's translation uses civil servant, if that helps.

Exactly what I said pages ago : Fate is off-planet most of the time, so obviously she is not living on a regular basis with Nanoha and Vivio (which makes Vivio say that she lives with Nanoha only), but everytime she can do so, I guess Fate stay with them at their place. Just look at how she feels at home, using the kitchen and stuff. She definitly doesn't act like a guest.

I don't know... I often use my best friends kitchen as well (well, ever since he started drowning the chicken in butter I pretty much confiscated making anything related to meat <_<) so that's not really a sign of 'living together' Fate and Nanoha are best friends after all, not strangers. It's not odd for Fate to be perfectly comfortable in the house of the person she knew since she was 9.

And, well, I guess it's ambiguous enough, but there's a point to be made about the fact Fate is definitely not a simple guest in Nanoha's house. Not only is she home before Nanoha, who was seemingly off to buy groceries.

*shrug* still ambiguous. Nanoha could have let her in before going to buy groceries, or Fate has the key. Everyone has a key to their best friends place.

But I dunno. It just doesn't make any sense for Fate to be living alone when she could be crashing at Nanoha's place and actually help raise her would-be daughter.

So it's either 'they live together' or 'Fate stays over when she needs a place to crash' depending on your point of view.

[BPHaru]

So it's either 'they live together' or 'Fate stays over when she needs a place to crash' depending on your point of view.
That is the same, just by different names. But living together seems more appropriate because that seems to be her only residence, and probably she's helping to pay for it too since she paid for the groceries as soon as she arrived too.

Exactly what I said pages ago : Fate is off-planet most of the time, so obviously she is not living on a regular basis with Nanoha and Vivio (which makes Vivio say that she lives with Nanoha only)
There was a thread on 4chan when someone said the same. The thing is that Vivio never says tat she lives only with Nanoha, she was presenting Nanoha and she said that she lives with her, leaving it open to introduce Fate later as her mama too.
Fate living with them wasn't put in doubt, but seems like some people didn't read correctly Vivio's lines in that page and that leaded to a confusion.

Also, as Dri said there is no real reason for them to start living apart now, specially considering her relationship with each other and Vivio, and that they were together during Strikers era too, along many other reasons. Tsuzuki already said that she's like the papa working away so it's normal to don't see her around all the time at home, but that doesn't mean that she doesn't live with them, even if she may spend more time in a ship.

Cuídense y sigan sonriendo :)

[Keroko]

That is the same, just by different names. But living together seems more appropriate because that seems to be her only residence, and probably she's helping to pay for it too since she paid for the groceries as soon as she arrived too.

So if I crash over at a friends place, I'm living with them? It's hardly the same.

There was a thread on 4chan when someone said the same. The thing is that Vivio never says tat she lives only with Nanoha, she was presenting Nanoha and she said that she lives with her, leaving it open to introduce Fate later as her mama too.
Fate living with them wasn't put in doubt, but seems like some people didn't read correctly Vivio's lines in that page and that leaded to a confusion.

*rolls eyes* Using that logic, I can just as easily claim that it was never said that Fate only lives with Nanoha and Vivio when she's on Mid, leaving it open to introduce her real place of residence at a later time.

I did read correctly, thankyouverymuch, I just did not add any theories behind it.

[Nina.Wolken]

There was a thread on 4chan when someone said the same. The thing is that Vivio never says tat she lives only with Nanoha, she was presenting Nanoha and she said that she lives with her, leaving it open to introduce Fate later as her mama too.
Fate living with them wasn't put in doubt, but seems like some people didn't read correctly Vivio's lines in that page and that leaded to a confusion.

I think that Fate being the father figure, working away and not so often at home is pretty clear with this first chapter, I don't deny it (like if I would like to anyway :p).
But Vivio's sentence is definitly more like : "I live with Nanoha mama only", since she says "koumuinno mama to futari gurashide". You can read it like "we live together most of the time, but Fate-mama comes back home sometimes too", like I do, but that's just an interpretation.

I think that it would have been more of an open sentence if she had used "isshoni gurashide", but she didn't :uhoh:. Still that's not surprising, since Fate is an Enforcer, she just can't live with them. I guess it was the same for Chrono during StS :rolleyes:.

[BPHaru]

So if I crash over at a friends place, I'm living with them? It's hardly the same.
No, because it's not the same to do it now and then, than not have other place to stay and stay there when you're free.


*rolls eyes* Using that logic, I can just as easily claim that it was never said that Fate only lives with Nanoha and Vivio when she's on Mid, leaving it open to introduce her real place of residence at a later time.
I did read correctly, thankyouverymuch, I just did not add any theories behind it.
No, but as I said they used to live together, and there are no real reasons to think that Fate won't want to live with Nanoha and Vivio now, so is the situation isn't putting in doubt in canon we should assume that it remains the same, and don't add any theories behind it.
It would be like asking ourselves if Tomoya and Nagisa were still together during each episode of Clannad After where they don't directly said that they were a couple.

I think that it would have been more of an open sentence if she had used "isshoni gurashide", but she didn't :uhoh:. Still that's not surprising, since Fate is an Enforcer, she just can't live with them. I guess it was the same for Chrono during StS :rolleyes:.
Well, that depends of how you interpret Vivio's phrase, and what she and we understand of "living together". But is clear that she spends her free time there at the place that's now her home, but if we call it to live there, or if we call it a visit while she lives in the ships, if not of real importance. For the reasons mentioned previously in my opinion it's more appropriated to call it "live together", because I suppose a father working away considers it that way.

Cuídense y sigan sonriendo :)

[itanshi1]

Ah, what is this tag teaming? There is no evidence at all of anything. They will not admit to anything. Keroko is not misinforming anyone. I agree completely that there is not enough evidence as they continue to shiptease us. Don't add random theories supported by non official sources such as a voice actress.

[Keroko]

No, because it's not the same to do it now and then, than not have other place to stay and stay there when you're free.

Got any proof that she doesn't?

No, but as I said they used to live together, and there are no real reasons to think that Fate won't want to live with Nanoha and Vivio now, so is the situation isn't putting in doubt in canon we should assume that it remains the same, and don't add any theories behind it.

There is. SSM's 'Fate is putting distance between herself and Vivio because Nanoha is the real parent.'

And the one throwing theories behind it is not me, who is quoting directly what Vivio is saying 'I live together with mama' but you, who adds a 'but she says that because' behind it.

[Nina.Wolken]

Well, that depends of how you interpret Vivio's phrase, and what she and we understand of "living together". But is clear that she spends her free time there at the place that's now her home, but if we call it to live there, or if we call it a visit while she lives in the ships, if not of real importance. For the reasons mentioned previously in my opinion it's more appropriated to call it "live together", because I suppose a father working away considers it that way.

Quoted for being absolutly true. With that all fans can read it the way they want to! ^^

Edit : Waoo! 100th page already! Page claim for -"ふたりともわたしの大切ママです" ViVid-

[itanshi1]

It seems the crossroads have come on this topic, but I cannot walk away without a word given my nature. Keroko if it is as you put it, then the shiptease becomes uncomfortable on top of annoyance. Regardless of genre ship tease and subtext are the driving force of anguish and passion in a series.

I guess I can go watch Sasameki Koto if I want more. Haru, I'd advise you to do the same instead of painting castles in the sky.

[BPHaru]

Got any proof that she doesn't?
In Strikers she had her place with Nanoha so we should suppose that it remains the same if it's not stated otherwise.

There is. SSM's 'Fate is putting distance between herself and Vivio because Nanoha is the real parent.'
That was already discussed Keroko, that was Hayate's opinion about the situation of Fate. If you want to keep insisting that Fate isn't Vivio's Fate-mama send a PM because there is no reason in repeat the same thing at relationship thread.

And the one throwing theories behind it is not me, who is quoting directly what Vivio is saying 'I live together with mama' but you, who adds a 'but she says that because' behind it.
My point was that you were reading "I live together ONLY with (Nanoha) mama", instead of "I live together with (Nanoha) mama" when Fate wasn't introducer to the manga yet.

Cuídense y sigan sonriendo :)

[itanshi1]

I suggest you two play the wait and see card, ok?

[Kyral]

Agreed, not that anything would change.

We know that Haru will never consider "Fate is not part of the family" as an option and Keroko will always see it as "maybe, but maybe not" as long it is not totaly stated with airtight proof (Damn you Nanoha and Fate! Kiss already and declare your eternal love IN FRONT OF THE READER so we can finaly go on with it. But as long you go with your "hehehe we're friends! :D" nothing will change here).

I'm serioulsy impressed that the two of you still can go on with that.

[NorthernFallout]

So, suggestions to actually bring this corpse of a thread somewhat back on track? Except for Lily ima- *shot*

[TheShinySword]

Indeed. I'd like it very much if we NEVER ARGUED ABOUT THIS AGAIN. I mean come one who cares about whether or not NanoFate is canon or heavily suggested or not? There isn't even a horse anymore just a fine horsey powder. Why can't we all just like what we want and not force our desires onto other people?

In other news I demand cinque wears more suits. That is all.

[NorthernFallout]

Would be nice if they gave ALL the numbers (well, the sane ones anyway) a wardrobe full of suits. All we need then is sunglasses and the GAR can begin.

[Wild Goose]

You'd get female Agents, IMO. *shrug* Besides, I rather like them in their catsuits. Smooth and slinky.

Besides, you all have it wrong. It's not NanoFate that's in effect here. It's incestuous loli NanoVivio pairing that's the true pairing of Vivid. >:3

Nanoha is running a Hikaru Genji plan, raising her daughter who will grow up to become a lover closer to her than anyone else can be. >:3

[JINNSK]

Kind of forgotten in the flurry of scans and scanlations, but has anyone found a scan of the Vivid character page yet? All we have so far is this tiny one (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/Liinna/Nanoha/manga/1243311604.jpg) which I'm not sure is big enough to give the translators even a chance to translate...
Is this page's scan repost?
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/nanoha/magazine/compace/th_CA200807_006.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/nanoha/magazine/compace/CA200807_006.jpg)
...I feel there isn't important info.But some explanations solve some questions(Stratos's position and personality,Vivio's age,ViVid's atmosphere and course.They mentioned about these topics).:)

[Keroko]

Nope, that's a fresh one. And HQ at that.

Now that we have it... translations please! :D

I'm serioulsy impressed that the two of you still can go on with that.

Let's just say that getting slapped in the face with a baseless accusation that I'm "not reading Vivio's lines correctly" does a lot to spark my motivation to argue.

[NorthernFallout]

Oh my, Stratos. It isn't often they wear such long skirts but she just looks too cute in that outfit <3

[itanshi1]

accusation? oO

Well glad we're back on track anyways

[9taileddemon]

In other news I demand cinque wears more suits. That is all.

I agree. We should just have more Cinque in general.

[Outlaender]

I noticed that it appears the older students at Vivio's school wear longer skirts.

Meaning the school board and faculty are probably all closet (or open :p) loli's

[Keroko]

This might be horribly wrong, as I have no experience in wearing skirts and none of my sisters have ever worn them outside of cosplay or parties, but wouldn't skirts get incredibly in the way of young children? Kids are always running, tumbling, hiding, jumping, I'd say skirts wouldn't really last long against a couple of kids having fun.

[TheShinySword]

This might be horribly wrong, as I have no experience in wearing skirts and none of my sisters have ever worn them outside of cosplay or parties, but wouldn't skirts get incredibly in the way of young children? Kids are always running, tumbling, hiding, jumping, I'd say skirts wouldn't really last long against a couple of kids having fun.

Doesn't stop parents from putting their daughters in them, nor a lot of schools with uniforms from having skirts as part of that. Skirts are a pain but the more pleated kind wouldn't be too difficult to move in. And durability wise they're really no better or worse than pants ripability wise.

[itanshi1]

thought she was 7 in strikers so shed be 10-11, hmm


So, for confirmation, how old is vivio?

[TheShinySword]

Physically and mentally (not technically to anyone out there who is about to point that out) I think she was 6 in strikerS. So in SSX she was 9 and in Vivid she'll be 10 and 12 in Force. But I can't remember if they ever decided if she was 5 or 6 in StrikerS so you might have to bump all those ages down.

[Nina.Wolken]

So, for confirmation, how old is vivio?

The last page posted by JINNSK says clearly that she is now 10 years old, no more doubt about it.