View Full Version : Rozen Maiden ~ Ouvertüre ~ Discussion Thread
NightWish
2006-10-07, 00:27
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Hmm, first look at the Rozen Maiden Ouvertüre + some screenshots and potential spoilers?
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/3417/rozenmaidenouvertureok6.th.jpg (http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rozenmaidenouvertureok6.jpg)
Looking forward to see Gin-sama.
Shadow Miko
2006-10-22, 22:04
I can't wait to here the Op Song It translates to Rose Jail Maiden I think...Something along those lines.
justMartin
2006-10-23, 01:04
I'm sorry is this like season 3 of rozen maiden?
Mincemaker
2006-10-23, 01:47
It's an OVA.
QueenNori
2006-10-23, 02:11
Hmm, first look at the Rozen Maiden Ouvertüre + some screenshots and potential spoilers?
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/3417/rozenmaidenouvertureok6.th.jpg (http://img110.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rozenmaidenouvertureok6.jpg)
Looking forward to see Gin-sama.
Can someone translate it? XD
justMartin
2006-10-23, 21:23
what info are there about this OVA? when would it be out?
DanielSong39
2006-10-23, 21:48
Will Jun FINALLY get together with Tomoe?
Or will we have to wait until the 10th season?
Will Jun FINALLY get together with Tomoe?
Or will we have to wait until the 10th season?
hey look on the bright side, we get 10 season :p
Have the date for the OVA been released yet?I only know that the singles is coming out
Suigintou ~
2006-10-23, 22:23
i have too question too about overture. i've tell that from some friends of mine. we know finally the Kirakishou's mistery after bara's death?
(i thought: kira she's born getting the souseiseki and hina ichigo's rosa mysticae... is probably?)
blitz1/2
2006-10-23, 22:52
i have too question too about overture. i've tell that from some friends of mine. we know finally the Kirakishou's mistery after bara's death?
(i thought: kira she's born getting the souseiseki and hina ichigo's rosa mysticae... is probably?)
Since it's about the past, it might explain why Kirakishou likes Suigintou so much.
justMartin
2006-10-23, 23:36
according to wikipedia Ouverture is the prequel to the TV series... seems to me it will be about when shinku and gin first fought.
"The new special for the TV series Rozen Maiden is set to premiere in winter 2006 titled, “Rozen Maiden Ouvertüre.” Set as the prequel to the TV series, it is often speculated that this special will focus on the character Suigintou. In addition, ALI PROJECT will once again lend their talents for the opening."
Will Jun FINALLY get together with Tomoe?
Or will we have to wait until the 10th season?
Then Megu came out of no where and a love triangle is ensured that will be dragged for the remaining 8 seasons.
Shadow Miko
2006-10-24, 00:00
Then Megu came out of no where and a love triangle is ensured that will be dragged for the remaining 8 seasons.
And half way through that Shinku becomes Alice and is like 'WTF? What about me?' and she kills off the competition so it remains a triangle.
QueenNori
2006-10-24, 06:02
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/9435/1160153198648ek7.jpg
http://www.zshare.net/image/1160597840325-jpg.html
Can someone translate them, please? XD
Please, read the Ouverture Q & A in the Q & A thread for all the information we already know.
QueenNori
2006-10-24, 13:32
Okay XD
Sorry ^^"
blitz1/2
2006-10-24, 14:08
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/9435/1160153198648ek7.jpg
http://www.zshare.net/image/1160597840325-jpg.html
Can someone translate them, please? XD
They look blood-thirsty. I also see a bit of Gundam seed in there. Is that from a magazine?
They look blood-thirsty. I also see a bit of Gundam seed in there. Is that from a magazine?
yesh i think it is a magazine because i can see the center of the magazine (the line). Yesh i also see Stellar from GSD to the far right side of the magazine
Suigintou ~
2006-10-24, 21:18
it's a interesting magazine, unfortunately, i cannot understand japanese at this level! at the minimum, i should go to university!! *with this mood, asd*
Martin, Are you seriously that "Overture" will be focus about suigintou and nothing else? we'll discovered in deep Suigintou's past?
i'm waiting more reply with this new series, impatient at all!
eggplant
2006-10-28, 07:28
According to MOON PHASE, the airing dates for Rozen Maiden Ouvertüre have been announced.
Part 1 will air on December 22 (Fri) at late night, Part 2 will air on December 23 (Sat) at late night on TBS.
Dates have yet to be announced, but it will be broadcasted on BS-i (16:9 I presume) as well.
A nice early Christmas present indeed.
Hm...According to a post by someone who has already purchased anime magazines that are on sale on the 30th, it seems that 19th Century Europe is the stage
Deathkillz
2006-10-28, 09:20
*jumps around in joy* :D
early christmas present!! i hope the first ep can be subbed by the day of christmas ^__^
im soo excited i need to cool off now :heh:
*jumps around in joy* :D
early christmas present!! i hope the first ep can be subbed by the day of christmas ^__^
im soo excited i need to cool off now :heh:
I totally agree wif you, it sure is a nice christmas present ^^
QueenNori
2006-10-28, 13:03
I wonder how long both parts will be.
eggplant
2006-10-28, 14:34
I wonder how long both parts will be.
TBS is going to air Winter Garden (coincidently, another Sanada Asami/ Sawashiro Miyuki teamup) on the same consecutive nights as well, and the Part 1 I saw at the TBS Festa was around 20 minutes. So by the same token, I would imagine Ouvertüre to be the same, about 25 minutes each, including the opening and ending songs.
Ouvertüre will be of just 45 minutes? O_O
I cant believe, that is a MISERY.....
the.Merines
2006-10-28, 15:42
45 minutes is about on par with what I expected. That means jumping in head-first to the fast-paced action with a few slowdowns for emotional moments.
Deathkillz
2006-10-28, 16:22
45 minutes is about on par with what I expected. That means jumping in head-first to the fast-paced action with a few slowdowns for emotional moments.
/agree...its going to be short and sweet...maybe too short...i demand season 3 :mad:
Cinnabon-chan
2006-10-28, 16:39
Hmmm......this sounds interesting, but I am not the biggest fan of Sugintou. Not that I don't like her, but I prefer the other dolls myself. But I think I will like it, even though I am not excited about it, since Sugintou is nto really one of my favorites, not that I dislike her.
Ah, thats good then. Thats about same as two episodes then. Really, what were you guys expecting? :p I was expecting one episode. :)
Cinnabon-chan
2006-10-29, 07:50
Ah, thats good then. Thats about same as two episodes then. Really, what were you guys expecting? :p I was expecting one episode. :)
I hope some of the other dolls will make an apperance.
^ No expectation in that area for me, I'm fine with it being Gin-centric only, or I'm fine with them developing other dolls too. However, we can be sure that the other dolls will appear in the OP. Tho I think its likely at least one doll will be present with her, otherwise, who will Gin fight?
Hey, you dont think that in this movie Suigintou maybe know about of the existence of Kirakishou?
Cinnabon-chan
2006-10-29, 13:52
Hey, you dont think that in this movie Suigintou maybe know about of the existence of Kirakishou?
Hmmm...........I wonder........but Suigintou really seemed convinced that Bara was the 7th Rozen Maiden.
Deathkillz
2006-10-29, 13:57
iirc shinku said that kira has never awaken at the same time as the others and seen as the ova is set in the past then i would think that kira isnt going to be in it...
Blablabla
2006-10-29, 14:20
Kira or not, I don't care... As long as Shinku ownes Gin like she used to do in the 2 seasons, there will be no problem for me. :cool:
Cinnabon-chan
2006-10-29, 14:21
She could watch from the sidelines in the N field. Kira seems that she is a manpilator........
Anyway, I have a feeling that Gin wasn't always the sadistic killer she is currently......and that she was a "goodie" doll like the central five dolls (Shinku, Suseiseke, Soseiseke, Kana and Hina.) I have a feeling that the events of Overture changed her from that into the murderous creature she is in Rozen Maiden.
StorminNorman
2006-10-29, 16:49
She could watch from the sidelines in the N field. Anyway, I have a feeling that Gin wasn't always the sadistic killer she is currently......and that she was a "goodie" doll like the central five dolls (Shinku, Suseiseke, Soseiseke, Kana and Hina.) I have a feeling that the events of Overture changed her from that into the murderous creature she is in Rozen Maiden.
Yeah, that's probably true. Perhaps she was fine until Rozen started making other dolls because she was incomplete.
And I really hope they add a season 3 after this. I wanted to see the Alice Game be resolved, but since this takes place in the past, that's not gonna happen in the OVA.
QueenNori
2006-10-31, 11:19
The official site has been updated and has a new design:
http://www.tbs.co.jp/rozen-maiden/
And what's this?
http://www.hangame.co.jp/avatar/rMaidenDetail.html
Cinnabon-chan
2006-10-31, 12:21
Yeah, that's probably true. Perhaps she was fine until Rozen started making other dolls because she was incomplete.
And I really hope they add a season 3 after this. I wanted to see the Alice Game be resolved, but since this takes place in the past, that's not gonna happen in the OVA.
I think you're right, her mad crusade to become Alice is mainly because she wants to be complete, and be beautiful in Rozen's eyes.
Pretty site, Queen Nori!
Mincemaker
2006-10-31, 20:19
She could watch from the sidelines in the N field. Kira seems that she is a manpilator........
Anyway, I have a feeling that Gin wasn't always the sadistic killer she is currently......and that she was a "goodie" doll like the central five dolls (Shinku, Suseiseke, Soseiseke, Kana and Hina.) I have a feeling that the events of Overture changed her from that into the murderous creature she is in Rozen Maiden.
Well, I think the trigger is Shinku calling Suigintou hime-sama 'Junk'. She has always hated being called that.
blitz1/2
2006-10-31, 21:38
Well, I think the trigger is Shinku calling Suigintou hime-sama 'Junk'. She has always hated being called that.
It could be possible that the trigger was that Suigintou and Shinku had the same medium. But due to some event, the medium always prefer Shinku over Suigintou (who gets jealous and then snaps later) which may cause Suigintou to begin despising Shinku and then she may do something dramastic (like killing the medium), in revenge Shinku begins to call Suigintou "junk" because she is a disgrace to the Rozen Maiden because she disrespected their Father's words of not harming humans in their Alice Game.
That hatred is inherent in her, because it stems from the way she was built. Simply, she has an inferiority complex due to her incompleteness, and she reacts violently when its evoked. It'll be very very interesting to see how she changes in Season 3. But thats off-topic. I'm hoping for Ouverture that we'll see that that hole-in-stomach wasnt always there.
Mincemaker
2006-11-04, 22:45
"Junku".
*Suigintou hime-sama goes berserk mode*
Now...
Shinku says, "Junk Junk Junk" everytime they meet.
Imagine what happens.
Get my point?
Erm nope lol. Shinku gets Minced? What do you mean?
Mincemaker
2006-11-05, 04:21
Erm nope lol. Shinku gets Minced? What do you mean?
No. the word 'Junk' makes Suigintou hime-sama really mad. Now a doll who used to say 'Junk' to her every time they meet. That makes Suigintou hime-sama really really mad everytime she sees Shinku.
And being mad every time Suigintou hime-sama meets Shinku only means one thing: Pathological hatred.
So yup, I think that is the trigger. Suigintou hime-sama's lack of a belly and Shinku's policy of calling Suigintou hime-sama 'Junk' in the past.
Are you playing around with my name?
So you're saying that even if Shinku doesnt call her Junk, its just an inbred thing ~ something she has gotten so used to; that Shinku = Hate? Yes I was, sorry, it was irresistable. :D You're welcomed to play around with mine.
Deathkillz
2006-11-05, 04:57
^ LOL! ill try for you mincemaker ;)
the reason why shinku calls gin junk is that she had "lost" her middle section :D (oki not funny :p)
well tbh gin already knows herself that she isnt complete and that this make her and "unfinished product" but by calling her junk (a strong word to piss her off) its obviously stating the obvious which plucks at gin's angry string and she flips :p
all shinku's fault for the mind trauma!
Mincemaker
2006-11-05, 06:40
^ LOL! ill try for you mincemaker ;)
the reason why shinku calls gin junk is that she had "lost" her middle section :D (oki not funny :p)
well tbh gin already knows herself that she isnt complete and that this make her and "unfinished product" but by calling her junk (a strong word to piss her off) its obviously stating the obvious which plucks at gin's angry string and she flips :p
all shinku's fault for the mind trauma!
Yep, that's the point I'm trying to make.
Let's say that I'm obese and then someone comes to me and say "Fat". And do that every time he sees me.
What will happen to me?
Obviously I'm going to be really pissed, and that anger would evolve into hatred.
(BTW, I'm not obese).
P/s: I will find an opportunity to play with your name, Lost :P.
frostmore
2006-11-06, 07:49
i heard that overture is about her past or something
maybe im wrong
junk is like **** in rozen maiden lol.
Yes, it is about her past. Please pop into our Q&A thread to learn more. And don't use vulgarities. Suiseiseki doesnt like it. (:heh:) Jk. Welcome to the Rozen Maiden Sub-forum! (Man its nice saying that :D)
Stellar Loussier
2006-11-07, 06:26
I can't wait, 水銀燈 is my Fav doll of Rozen Maiden...gonna cosplay her next year...
Blablabla
2006-11-07, 06:43
I can't wait, 水銀燈 is my Fav doll of Rozen Maiden...gonna cosplay her next year...
Don't forget the photos :D
Stellar Loussier
2006-11-07, 07:11
Don't forget the photos :D
sure thing ^^ just hope it's still up to standard...
blitz1/2
2006-11-27, 13:09
In animenewsnetwork.com, it says ouverture is a sequel?
Barasuishou is in it! Yes!!!!!
Deathkillz
2006-11-27, 13:53
i think its just a typo maybe its ment to read : prequel
but how is bara in it? doesnt she show up for the first time only in Träumend :eyebrow:
Blablabla
2006-11-27, 17:06
Maybe they'll show us how she was created.
edit > blizz, where did you see Barasuishou annonced in Ouverture ?
edit2 > Okay, the seiyu listing.
I'm thinking that Overture could be Suigintou reflecting on her past or that she could be telling Megu about it as Bara is in it as well. Another possiblity is that she is thinking/dreaming about her past while being in her box in the church.
Er, but thats her past. If Bara only appeared in Traumend, how can she recall Bara in her past? Which could only mean that Bara has a history that precedes Traumend.. Interesting...
Suiseiseki
2006-12-01, 23:31
Er, but thats her past. If Bara only appeared in Traumend, how can she recall Bara in her past? Which could only mean that Bara has a history that precedes Traumend.. Interesting...
Perhaps it's a time paradox?
Er, but thats her past. If Bara only appeared in Traumend, how can she recall Bara in her past? Which could only mean that Bara has a history that precedes Traumend.. Interesting...
Mmm, i prefrer that Kirakishou appear, i insist, Gin know something about of Kira, is just that she forgot all :heh:
Well, talking serious, we dont forget that when Megu found the box of Gin, Bara is hidding watching all from the shadows, dont remember that?
I think that the movie is the begining of all the dolls before the first season, then a history that is middle RM and RM Traumend and i suposse that the final will be a prelude to the third season, dont you?
and i got a question, if Rozen repair to Gin, why he dont give she the stomach in the moment and only in the final?
Suiseiseki
2006-12-02, 03:49
and i got a question, if Rozen repair to Gin, why he dont give she the stomach in the moment and only in the final?
Rozen is a bastard. Plain and simple. Or he didn't have the stomach to fix her (pun intended!).
Mmm, i prefrer that Kirakishou appear, i insist, Gin know something about of Kira, is just that she forgot all :heh:
Well, talking serious, we dont forget that when Megu found the box of Gin, Bara is hidding watching all from the shadows, dont remember that?
I think that the movie is the begining of all the dolls before the first season, then a history that is middle RM and RM Traumend and i suposse that the final will be a prelude to the third season, dont you?
As a legimate doll, Kira may very well know Gin. Then again, what could make Gin forget Kira - Of course, that death at the end of RM S1 may, I'm thinking thats most likely, if anything.
I think the whole movie will be just the beginning before the first season. After all, all they say is that its a prelude to Rozen Maiden. I highly doubt it will include elements after RM:S1
Blablabla
2006-12-03, 13:04
Shinku said that none of the RM has encountered the 7th doll (aka Kirakishou)... that inclues Gin.
the.Merines
2006-12-03, 14:41
The way I see it, Kirakishou was Rozen's final attempt to create Alice. I doubt he would share his plans with his current creations (See Suigintou? Here's yet another replacement for you). We know that Rozen scrapped his plans for her, leaving her without a body and stuck in the N-Fields. Given the huge number of N-Fields, it makes sense that none of the dolls would have encountered Kirakishou until she revealed herself or found them first.
Blablabla
2006-12-03, 15:32
Mmm... it seemed to me that it was said in the anime that didn't wake her.
Cinnabon-chan
2006-12-03, 19:07
Rozen is a bastard. Plain and simple. Or he didn't have the stomach to fix her (pun intended!).
Rozen is an asshat.
He:
Forces dolls to destroy eachother to create him a girl
Makes Gin half finished
What the hell does he want to do with Alice anyway? I pity the doll that becomes her, because Rozen is going to do more then put her on the mantlepice and dust her every so often.
There are more reasons but i am tired.
Suiseiseki
2006-12-04, 00:03
Rozen is an asshat.
He:
Forces dolls to destroy eachother to create him a girl
Makes Gin half finished
What the hell does he want to do with Alice anyway? I pity the doll that becomes her, because Rozen is going to do more then put her on the mantlepice and dust her every so often.
There are more reasons but i am tired.
He's probably a pedo. If Enju made Barasuishou to be his waifu, then Alice will be Rozen's waifu.:uhoh: He probably did more than just look up Shinku's skirt.
Rozen plays with dolls! How many grown up guys do you know who play with dolls?!
He freaking haunts the Rozen Maidens' in their dreams. What kind of bastard does that? Does he think he's the Flying Spaghetti Monster (May the finest spaghetti sauce be poured upon Him)?!
Deathkillz
2006-12-04, 01:48
maybe rozens image of alice is a doll without any joints :p and on that aspect he failed!!
Suiseiseki
2006-12-04, 03:01
maybe rozens image of alice is a doll without any joints :p and on that aspect he failed!!
A doll without doll joints?! A DOLL WITHOUT DOLL JOINTS?! Do no speak of such horror!! Doll joints are the most sexiest thing a doll can have!! A doll without doll joints is like the universe without the mighty Flying Spaghetti Monster (may the finest spaghetti sauce be poured upon Him!)! I dream of the fine joints of Suiseiseki every night and it is the sight of those beautiful joints (and the many desus) that allow me to sleep soundly.
I am Suiseiseki, and I have a Rozen Maiden addiction.
grey_moon
2006-12-04, 04:36
Doll joints are the most sexiest thing a doll can have!!
Never thought about it that way, but if that is the case that means RM has lots of fan service :heh:
Rozen plays with dolls! How many grown up guys do you know who play with dolls?!
Lets see...
(1) Shirosaki .... he turned out to be a bunny rabbit. Not good.
(2) Enju .... he turned out to be an unstable megalomaniac that got high on breaking (or seeing broken) porcelain bits. Not good.
(3) Rozen .... hmmm. Can't be good.
-Wapanese-
2006-12-04, 19:26
Lets see...
(1) Shirosaki .... he turned out to be a bunny rabbit. Not good.
(2) Enju .... he turned out to be an unstable megalomaniac that got high on breaking (or seeing broken) porcelain bits. Not good.
(3) Rozen .... hmmm. Can't be good.
dont forget Jun. Does anyone but me and a group of Rochester,New York animefreaks remember the first thing Jun did upon looking at Shinku? HE LOOKS UNDER HER SKIRT after making an equally scary comment: "oooh she's soft"
DOLLRAPIST ALERT!
dxgarten
2006-12-05, 10:29
Rozen Maiden Ouverture OP Theme - Baragoku Otome screencaps (http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/archives/rm_ouverture_baragokuotome.html)
This is a rather nice OP sung by ALI PROJECT. Lots of shots of all dolls except Kirakishou and Barasuishou.
Deathkillz
2006-12-05, 11:53
its beautiful! :D all praise lovely gin sama :hail:
well one things for sure...she hates roses :heh:
Blablabla
2006-12-05, 13:09
Oh dear God... Priceless ! The song is heartbreaking and the first time we see Gin swinging her sword almost bring me tears... but this time Alice appears to be the "vilain" of the story. Interesting.
QueenNori
2006-12-05, 16:47
Wow. I can't wait to see Ouvertüre.
thx you for the link^^ (22th still is so far away)
Blablabla
2006-12-06, 18:28
Ouverture Op has been put on Youtube : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV47r7N1ojw
grey_moon
2006-12-07, 07:28
Ouverture Op has been put on Youtube : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV47r7N1ojw
Can't stop drooling!!!! I love the op, but the starting with the eyeball is freaky! I really liked they way they show Gin coming back to life, now all they need now is to do the same for Hina and Sou...
Here I was crying over Traumend recently as I finally able to watch the final ep when I learned of a new sequel to RM~T. Hopefully all the questions will be answered this month.
The song was so cool...
midnightlumina
2006-12-09, 00:32
It's supposedly a backstory prior to the events of the first series.
Personally, I would like the OAV to have at least one grand battle.
Remember, Remember, The Junk Of December
Shinku's Foul Treason And Plot
I See No Reason Why Shinku's Foul Treason
Should Ever Be Forgot
The Pernicious Shinku, 'twas Her Mad Lust
To Win Father's Only And Undying Trust
Like Bismarck She Plotted; She Vowed To Let Low
And Prove Gin-sama's Overthrow
By The Red Queen's Foul Doings Suigintou Was Betrayed
Left Incomplete To Lie In An Early Grave
Holler Boys, Holler Boys, Let The Bells Ring!
Holler Boys, Holler Boys: SchÜtze Kaiserin!
Mincemaker
2006-12-09, 11:15
Remember, Remember, The Junk Of December
Shinku's Foul Treason And Plot
I See No Reason Why Shinku's Foul Treason
Should Ever Be Forgot
The Pernicious Shinku, 'twas Her Mad Lust
To Win Father's Only And Undying Trust
Like Bismarck She Plotted; She Vowed To Let Low
And Prove Gin-sama's Overthrow
By The Red Queen's Foul Doings Suigintou Was Betrayed
Left Incomplete To Lie In An Early Grave
Holler Boys, Holler Boys, Let The Bells Ring!
Holler Boys, Holler Boys: SchÜtze Kaiserin!
This is a nice poem! Cookie for you!
This is from V for Vendetta, by any chance?
This is a nice poem! Cookie for you!
This is from V for Vendetta, by any chance?
Its copypasta from Etherchan (http://etherchan.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page), I really can't claim credit :p And yes its a parody based on V for Vendetta I think
Suiseiseki
2006-12-10, 00:42
Ouverture Op in higher resolution: http://stage6.divx.com/members/238246/videos/1053242
mac_pack
2006-12-10, 12:03
The Ouverture looks better and better the more I see. This is awesome. I can't wait!:D
Deathkillz
2006-12-10, 12:27
12 days...just 12 days left...im shaking with excitement all over :D
we should have a countdown or somming lol ^_^ *praise gin sama*
-Wapanese-
2006-12-10, 14:55
Im with Deathkillz. A countdown would be pretty cool. Now i just hope someone can fansub it by Christmas :p
ChibiAurora
2006-12-10, 23:11
Ouverture Op in higher resolution: http://stage6.divx.com/members/238246/videos/1053242
Thanks for the link ^^
Dunno if we're allowed to post this kinda thing but meh. A mod can remove it if its not OK anyway.
Heres the complete single:
http://d.turboupload.com/d/1318730/Nipponsei_Rozen_Maiden_Overture_OP_Single_-_.zip.html
Theres 4 tracks in there
Potatochobit
2006-12-11, 06:26
i cant believe you guys are so excited about this :0
i hope it doesnt end in disappointment. I've been getting my rozen fix from the
US comics and sometimes i still listen to the drama CD. its funny.
grey_moon
2006-12-11, 06:42
i cant believe you guys are so excited about this :0
i hope it doesnt end in disappointment. I've been getting my rozen fix from the
US comics and sometimes i still listen to the drama CD. its funny.
Excited doesn't even come close to explaining the feelings I have bottled up inside me :)
I can't wait, I wonder which group will be giving me the bestest xmas present of the year.
I hope (and think its likely that) Ayu will take it this up. They did great for Traumend.
Suiseiseki
2006-12-11, 23:10
I hope (and think its likely that) Ayu will take it this up. They did great for Traumend.
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/8805/ayutaiyakisp8kp7.gif (https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1174)? I wonder how many uguus will be used.:heh:
Remember, Remember, The Junk Of December
Shinku's Foul Treason And Plot
I See No Reason Why Shinku's Foul Treason
Should Ever Be Forgot
The Pernicious Shinku, 'twas Her Mad Lust
To Win Father's Only And Undying Trust
Like Bismarck She Plotted; She Vowed To Let Low
And Prove Gin-sama's Overthrow
By The Red Queen's Foul Doings Suigintou Was Betrayed
Left Incomplete To Lie In An Early Grave
Holler Boys, Holler Boys, Let The Bells Ring!
Holler Boys, Holler Boys: SchÜtze Kaiserin!
I don't know V for Vendetta but it looks like a parody of the old Bonfire Night chant to me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_Night
Blablabla
2006-12-12, 15:10
Does anyone know if Kukui will work on the ending like they did in RM&RMT ?
I don't know V for Vendetta but it looks like a parody of the old Bonfire Night chant to me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_Night
Yeah, V stole it from that I think. Considering Etherchan is a mostly American site though, I doubt the author knew of the original version so it probably is based on the V version more than anything else. Unless of course I'm mistaken and Guy Fawkes is known in the US? I always assumed it was mostly a British thing but I could be wrong
Potatochobit
2006-12-12, 23:30
so i had a chance to listen to the opening and ending singles, and i have to say, i found them slightly lacking compared to the other two seasons.
the.Merines
2006-12-13, 08:13
Meh, I think (read: hope) that the OP and ED will match the tone of the episodes, and add to the overall experience.
grey_moon
2006-12-13, 08:44
It's hard for me to compare any of the op's to the first one as that is the reason why I started watching RM. Once I heard it I hunted around on the interweb and found a piccie of the lead dressed as Shinku I was wowed. It still is on my favorite list for casual listening.
Meh, I think (read: hope) that the OP and ED will match the tone of the episodes, and add to the overall experience.
True, I suppose we can't compare OPs without first seeing the content that OP serves.
Shardesh
2006-12-13, 12:45
Ouverture Op in higher resolution: http://stage6.divx.com/members/238246/videos/1053242
I was late and the video was removed :(
Could someone who saved it upload it somewhere, please? ^^"
Deathkillz
2006-12-13, 13:12
i like the new OP song tbh :) i think it will fint in more with the dark mysterious mood of ouverture ^_^
heres (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-F5pETCg6E) an amv with the long version of the song...its isnt the best but still i love gin sama :love:
the.Merines
2006-12-13, 13:20
I was late and the video was removed :(
Could someone who saved it upload it somewhere, please? ^^"
When I get the CD/DVD later this week, I'll see if I can't encode a DVD-quality version and put it up on my site.
I was late and the video was removed :(
Could someone who saved it upload it somewhere, please? ^^"
Here ya go, enjoy :p
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7ZU3340I
Cinnabon-chan
2006-12-13, 16:41
Hmmm......recently I've been wondering why SHinku looks so evil in the opening, but Sugintou looks a lot more gentle, only sad.
I wonder if Shinku isn't as good as we've led to believe............maybe she was the one who maipulated Gin into beeing evil in the first place?
Hope not. I love Shinku!
Blablabla
2006-12-13, 17:05
Hmmm......recently I've been wondering why SHinku looks so evil in the opening, but Sugintou looks a lot more gentle, only sad.
I wonder if Shinku isn't as good as we've led to believe............maybe she was the one who maipulated Gin into beeing evil in the first place?
Ouverture is puting the story on Gin's side...from Gin's point of view, the vilain is Shinku (cos' she is more beautiful, cos' Rozen likes her more or what else).
Potatochobit
2006-12-13, 19:08
because she knows how to make tea.
8 days to go !! :D
..though.. the anxiety is painfuly killing me ^^
Having now seen the OP I am more then positive that, even though ~Ouverture~ will only be 2 episodes, it will without a doubt prove itself as having been worth this long 1 year wait.
So far the OP has given us already some conclusions of what realy expect on these 2 episodes; altough I am sure most already had an idea of this when some images (as we can now link) from the OP where posted on the Megami magazine.
..Still it was a compleatly diferent experience (as it always is) when seeing them play in its fluent course.
And I have to state (I doubt anyone will disagree), the animation was just simply flawless...
So with this, surely ~Ouverture~ will probably give us the best animation we have ever seen in the Rozen Maiden series.
Regarding the OST's now, I was quite surprised when regarding " Baragoku Otome ", ALI PROJECT realy chose a very diferent type of sonorization for ~Ouverture~ then they did for the previous 2 OP's for Season 1 & ~Traumend~.
Hence I have to admit that at first I was enjoying more the OP sequence itself rather then the OP theme instead..; however.. as I watched it countless times over again and again " Baragoku Otome " seemed to fit more and more perfectly into each sequence..., leaving me in short time.. compleatly fallen for it :p
Its funny that most of the musics by ALI Project tend to have this effect on me, but by the end I just can't seem to get enough of them ^^
(just like it happened with 'Kinjirareta Asobi' & 'Hikari no Rasenritsu' :) )
Beeing now in fact " Gokuraku Kei Hime ", (also by ALI PROJECT) which I take it is the ED theme for ~Ouverture~ much more similar to what we previously listened two in the past 2 Seasons.
Hence in my opinion now, not taking away how realy well does 'Baragoku Otome' play along with the OP.., 'Gokuraku Kei Hime' definitly seems a bit more superior in motion to it; beeing it probably what most expected to be the OP.
Sadly the ED sequence has not been "released" yet.., so currently I cannot realy tell if 'Gokuraku will fit as well as 'Baragoku' does for the Opening..; but never the less.. to me both of these songs are already part of how positive I am that ~Ouverture~ will be an exceptional OVA :)
Now to adress something that I saw previously written.
Ouverture is puting the story on Gin's side...from Gin's point of view, the vilain is Shinku (cos' she is more beautiful, cos' Rozen likes her more or what else).
I don't belive we should realy adress things in this prespective, or at least not so as in a straight line that is..
Like I previously mencioned, from several weeks now we already had a good idea of what ~Ouverture~ would mainly consist in, and having seen the OP I am 100% positive that in these 2 episodes will consist in basicaly ~Ouverture~ beeing mostely focused on Gin and on one single particular aspect; beeing this as how her storyline development started to the conclusion we know (which in the process will show us what where the reasons for her hatred towards Shinku).
However currently we are not given any hints or clues that lead to speculations of those said reasons, or even in fact.. "trigger moments"..; hence I belive for first expectations we must take a more open view on this entire part of the story and not state out Shinku is "the vilain", for alot of aspects may / and will come into play.
In my opinion I view this as that some sort of events started to unfold in a particular way.., way this that lead Gin to become jealous of Shinku, beeing this probably the first catalyst that lead to the down spiral of hatred that then started to unfold..
..thing is.., we have absolutley no idea what sort of events are these that lead to this..
Apart from of course we knowing that Gin, when analysing her caracter has always shown some sort of jealousy upon seeing Rozen create each new doll, it is a taken fact that something else of much bigger relevance happened between her and Shinku in particular.
But never the less, this does not mean that Shinku is to be protrayed exactly as the guilty party in the storyline..
From what I take it most developments that often lead to conclusions as the one we witnessed upon seeing the two for the first time in Season 1, usualy are often caused by one party beeing lead to take a diferent prespective oposite to the other; beeing this something due to possible various influences.
..adding then the jealousy that Gin in particular has.., it blinds her to this prespective.
As the same would happen to Shinku.., altough not due to jealousy.., but her determination & strong will have acted as a barrier blinding her to her own prespective aswell.
..only for then in ~Traumend~ us to witness a change in this.
Hence what we can so far definitly say is that.., neither can realy be determined as the "vilain".., for in each one's prespective lies the oposite of the other..
It will be in fact in the revelation of the events that lead to this, and to how these will unfold that we will then get the full in-sight as to how the entire story began.
Not ruling aside of course.., there is a huge possibility that there might exist a reason behind the events.., a reason this caused by a third party..
Making no more then Gin & Shinku simple pawns played out to follow shift and spiral towards hatred towards each other..
Something that would be typicial of a certain mysterious character we know ^^
..Altough this last part is nothing more then a possibility amongst many.. ;)
( amusing however that ALI PROJECT's ~Ouverture~ OST CD had a picture of Laplace no Ma in its Booklet :heh: )
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ah.. I almost forgot.., realy so sorry for having been away for so long..; I'm realy glad to see that everyone & everything here have never stopped :)
the.Merines
2006-12-13, 23:01
You always write so much Alu! But it's all very topical and interesting, so I don't mind.
solwyvern
2006-12-14, 01:23
Its funny that most of the musics by ALI Project tend to have this effect on me, but by the end I just can't seem to get enough of them ^^
(just like it happened with 'Kinjirareta Asobi' & 'Hikari no Rasenritsu' :) )
Did you mean "聖少女領域 (Seishoujo Ryouiki; Saintly Girl Territory)" by Ali Project?
Traumend's Ending song, "光の螺旋律 (Hikari no Rasenritsu; Spiralling Melody of Light)" was sung by Kukui (http://kukui.cc/) and not Ali Project. :)
..and I still doubt that, Gokuraku Kei Hime would be the ending theme. It's most likely an extra song like in most Opening Singles. ..but we'll soon find out. ;)
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Rozen Maiden just wouldn't be the same without the sounds of Ali Project playing somewhere in it. ;) I can't wait to hear Gokuraku Kei Hime, if its as good as their other songs then count me in! Although I confess myself disappointed that Kukui didn't do the ending to the OVA, I REALLY loved the ending song to the second season alot. Then again I guess we don't know for sure what the ED is so I guess I'll just keep my fingers crossed.
Vegeta X
Traumend's Ending song, "光の螺旋律 (Hikari no Rasenritsu; Spiralling Melody of Light)" was sung by Kukui (http://kukui.cc/) and not Ali Project. :)
Ah, thanks for pointing it out Solwy; my mistake there... this is what I get for not listening to the previous OST's in a while :p
Your right Hikari no Rasenritsu is ~Traumend~'s ED, the correct name of the song I wanted to quote was Seishoujo Ryouiki; this beeing its OP I was taking in comparison with Kinjirareta Asobi & now Baragoku Otome, all 3 performed by ALI Project.
Regarding Gokuraku Kei Hime now, I take it it has a chance of beeing the ED, or at least I so far have viewed it as such.., however yes, nothing is certain regarding it.
In my previous analysis though I mostely chose to comment on it because of when compared with Baragoku Otome, it was probably what most would expect on a Rozen Maiden OP by ALI Project.
For example as I previously stated, not taking away the fact as to how Baragoku Otome plays so well with the sequences when we watch the OP, in terms of what we where used to listen; or at least to me.. Gokuraku Kei Hime seemed more similar to the to the previous OP themes.
Never the less they are both great songs by ALI Project though.., and I realy have no objections in Gokuraku Kei Hime beeing used in its ED..; something that.. I have some hope in :)
WB Alu and sol :)
Finally saw the OP, and naturally Shinku would factor-in a big deal in Ouverture. Its gonna be a treat for Shinku and Gin fans; but only one can imerge the winner at the end of Ouverture! :p I'll comment more after I've read Alu's post and made mine damned post in the Freedom Project thread.
(the OP's up for torrent, BTW, at everybody's favourite library of Japanese media /no not AnimeSuki)
/edit
Okay, so I haven't read Alu's post yet. Need sleep...
But meh, methinks this OP is quite okay. Of course its not as fast or chaotic as Kinjirareta Asobi or Seishoujo Ryouiki; but something interesting here: if you listen carefully, you can actually hear elements of both KA and SR in Baragoku Otome, in the tune of the music and tone of the artiste (I suppose Ali Project is that distinctive). At the same time, however, this OP maintains itself apart from the two other OPs; being quite distinctive from them both. And thats good I think, because thats what I want Ouverture to be: New and original, yet retaining some elements of its Originals.
And wow, it shows Gin's recreation. But at whose hands? :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV47r7N1ojw&eurl= this is the rozen maiden ouverture op!
the.Merines
2006-12-15, 20:14
A DVD-quality vid and a LQ subbed version of the Ouverture OP are up on Alice-Game (http://www.alice-game.com).
the.Merines
2006-12-17, 09:54
OK, double-posting, so sorry.
Fansub no Tameni (which I may or may not be a member of -_- ) has confirmed that they plan on subbing Ouverture. Any confirmation from other groups out there? I know Ayu did both seasons, but as far as I know they have not decided yet.
Lord Faust
2006-12-17, 10:53
Hello.
I have just recently completed watching RM and RM Traumend, really good anime. Anyways I also recently watched the Ouverture OP. Looks really promising at this point. True, that the OP songs in both seasons rocks really hard, honestly these two OPs are the ones I never skipped while watching the anime. Ouverture OP song does seem like a change of pace, I shall guess that it's all for the better and perhaps its more befitting for Ouverture.
Yes, I very curious too as why the animosity between Sugintou and Shinku runs so deep. Hopefully Ouverture will answer most of our questions. More sword weilding Sugintou is always good IMHO. Hopefully Suiseiseki gets ample screen time too. More desu is also good.
Anyways I'm lucky to have only completed RM only a few days before Ouverture, guessed you guys might have waited for this like almost forever. Hopefully the long wait is well justified in the end for you guys...^_^
Deathkillz
2006-12-17, 11:42
^ im glad you enjoyed it :)
well yea hopefully we will see why gin hates shinku so much ~ anyone with speculation ideas (besides the fact that shinku calls gin "junk") :heh: theres a pic somewhere that shows them having tea together which would suggest that they were close sisters x amount of time ago...
only 5~6 days left!! *shakes* :3
Out of interest, is anyone planning to watch the raw? Cos I want to know if I have to avoid AnimeSuki for a few days so I don't see spoilers >_>
the.Merines
2006-12-17, 12:03
I don't. I restrain myself from watching raws and checking out anime blogs because it ruins the story! The people who post here should be smart enough to use the "spoilers" tag if they have comments before a fansubbed version is posted.
edit: I'll get to see the subbed version ~2 days before you all... QC rocks!
Deathkillz
2006-12-17, 13:52
i duno about the RAWs...they are dam tempting if you ask me T_T i guess it depends on how many people are gonna watch it and start the spoilers early :heh: that might push me over as i just love to talk about stuff and becuase i dont like to feel left behind...but ofc i will try to resist...hope the subs can be fast *crossfingers*
Atheshya
2006-12-18, 19:38
I was planning on watching them, and seeing if I could figure out anything they were saying.
Ah, Tameni will be doing it then? Get it QC'ed fast! And Nag like you've never nagged before! :p :)
Its 1am in the morning here; 20th Dec. 2 more days to go then; I cant wait! :D <- Yes, I really have got that big grin on my face. Sorry about my absence this few days; pretty busy with work. I will be here for Ouverture's release tho. :) Lost scuttles back to work.
/edit @Alu: No, I love your posts! :D
the.Merines
2006-12-19, 12:50
All I can say is "be patient." I've already done a rough time of the OP karaoke on my own time and offered it to the pro-timer Devastator at FnT.
I figure... RAW get in ~12 hours.
Translation ~4 days.
Timing ~5 hours.
Encode ~36 hours.
Karaoke/typesetting ~3 days.
QC ~3 days.
So I'd expect it near the end/beginning of the year. I don't know a whole lot about the process, but I figure that it's Christmas break and most people won't be in school and should have more free time. Having attempted timing, encoding and karaoke on my own, I have a newfound respect for fansubbers.
But yeah, I'll push and push for a quick, quality release.
Thank you. Indeed, patience. Like Dk, I'm still wondering whether I want to watch the raws or not.
JasonX444not666
2006-12-21, 13:24
I'm definitely getting the RAW. Do you realize how hard it is the find Traumend raws now...
Any word on the subbers release?
Extended AMV Opening for OVA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHs_ndGmd_U
the.Merines
2006-12-21, 14:45
Hehe... the time is near. I seriously can't wait...
kingdom_elladrel
2006-12-21, 15:01
I can't wait :) Since both Rozen Maiden series are high on my list, I am definitely looking forward to this one.
Deathkillz
2006-12-21, 15:08
hmm...gah! its soo tempting not to fall into the trap...i know ill just end up watching the raw and spoil the plot for myself T_T
just 1 more day! :) even broken into my gin siggy to celebrate! :D
Seems like I am a bit late to the party. :heh: Anyway, I made an(other) encode of the OP, fresh from DVD source, of course. H.264 video, with Vorbis q6.5 audio, softsubbed karaoke (http://rapidshare.com/files/8401820/Rozen_Maiden_Ouvertuere_OP.mkv.html), a bit cleaned up and all that. ^_^; (Suggestions for a more permanent host welcome.)
Now I just hope, that Ouvertüre will have something for Shinku fans too. :heh:
-Wapanese-
2006-12-21, 20:34
Today alone, I've listened to the new OP song at least 24 times...CANT WAIT! Hurry my translator army!
garra113
2006-12-21, 21:23
May I ask why is it in 10 seasons? And when was the offical statement of releasing 10 seasons? ANd if you can give me a link to it i would apprecaite it. And i would also know when they will finish making all 10 seasons. 2010?
the.Merines
2006-12-21, 22:08
Huh? I think that was a bit of an exaggeration on someone's part... Wishful thinking. ^_^;
If the producers should choose to do a special for every doll, I certainly wouldn't mind, though.
Tonight Overture will be released and midnight the Chinese dubbed version will be ready :D
hope there will be more scenario of Souseiseki and Suiseiseki:love: :o
garra113
2006-12-22, 00:03
Wait so there isnt 10 seasons?
Wait; official site says 3.30 am on 22/12. That was today morning. It should have aired already shouldnt it? Why no raws?!
Pakxenon
2006-12-22, 02:42
Wait so there isnt 10 seasons?
What? This is the OVA, not season 3. Season 2 was last year. Dunno when season 3 will be made. And there certainly won't be 10 seasons. -_-
OH GAWD IT AIRED????????????????? I'm hoping for an early Christmas present. XD
Wait; official site says 3.30 am on 22/12. That was today morning. It should have aired already shouldnt it? Why no raws?!
No, it hasn't yet be aired. Rozen Maiden ~ Ouverture ~ will be aired about 10 hours later from now.
midnightlumina
2006-12-22, 03:46
3:30 am Dec 22??? It has already aired....
3:30 am Dec 22??? It has already aired....
It actually means that 27:30 Dec 22nd, i.e. 3:30 Dec 23rd. :)
Suiseiseki
2006-12-22, 04:22
I'm confused...
Hello I'm Confused, I'm Lost.:heh:
Mincemaker
2006-12-22, 04:24
Hello I'm Confused, I'm Lost.:heh:
I wanted to do that! I did promise Lost that I will play with his name.
LOL I KNEW YOU WOULD ALL JUMP ON IT! Hahaha.
Hmm.. 3:30 Dec 23rd eh. Okay, for me that'll be 2.30am tommorrow, so I guess I'll be won't be sleeping too early tonight. :D
Suiseiseki
2006-12-22, 04:52
LOL I KNEW YOU WOULD ALL JUMP ON IT! Hahaha.
Stop posting as me. I'm Lost!
Hmm.. 3:30 Dec 23rd eh. Okay, for me that'll be 2.30am tommorrow, so I guess I'll be won't be sleeping too early tonight. :D
So for me that's means...scratches head... now I'm Confused!
No, I'm Lost. You're just lost. :p Toyko time is GMT+9; mine is GMT+8.. so just find what GMT zone you're in and minus or plus accordingly :)
Deathkillz
2006-12-22, 05:33
wheres the party!? :D oh noes? still have to wait? uguu~
the.Merines
2006-12-22, 08:33
Checking in at GMT -4... ~5 hours left!
Mincemaker
2006-12-22, 10:47
No, I'm Lost. You're just lost. :p Toyko time is GMT+9; mine is GMT+8.. so just find what GMT zone you're in and minus or plus accordingly :)
I'm Lost too, especially in regards to time zones. I have no idea what is all this GMT and whatnot supposed to mean.
I'm Lost too, especially in regards to time zones. I have no idea what is all this GMT and whatnot supposed to mean.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_time_zones
Since Wiki calls it UTC, its possible you know GMT as UTC
Well, what I know: The world is divided into several timezones; and one standard of reference linking all these timezones together is the GMT; or Greenwich Mean Time.
Different zones are separated by a matter of hours; and this is reflected by the +0X:00hrs in front of GMT (eg GMT+08:00hrs). So something happening (Say, the airing of Ouverture; or you pwning a Japanese in WoW) at GMTime+09:00hrs in Tokyo would be happening at GMTime+08:00hrs in Singapore and KL.
So, do the maths:
RM:O airs at 3.30 in a GMT+9 timezone.
3.30 = GMTime+9
GMTime = 3.30 - 9 hrs.
GMTime+8 = 3.30 - 9hrs + 8 hrs = 2.30
GMTime-4 = 3.30 - 9hrs - 4hrs = 14.30; one day earlier. (Is that correct?)
I'm actually really oversimplifying it, because I wouldnt understand more if I went deeper. :heh: Some interesting reading here (http://www.math.nus.edu.sg/aslaksen/teaching/timezone.html). We should actually be in GMT+7 zone.
Deathkillz
2006-12-22, 11:42
and being in the UK my time is easy ;) its smack onto GMT 0 :heh: now i wonder how long it would take for the RAW to upload :rolleyes:
QueenNori
2006-12-22, 13:09
We have some pictures!
http://www.tbs.co.jp/rozen-maiden/03story/story.html
Is that person Rozen or Enju?
And who is that girl?
http://moetron.com/mystuff/megami_jan07_a17.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8375/sui174xt1.th.jpg (http://img294.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sui174xt1.jpg) ! :D
If im not wrong it has aired yet?
the.Merines
2006-12-22, 13:32
We have some pictures!
http://www.tbs.co.jp/rozen-maiden/03story/story.html
Is that person Rozen or Enju?
And who is that girl?
http://moetron.com/mystuff/megami_jan07_a17.jpg
Could be Gin-sama's first Medium... or Rozen's daughter... or Alice... or some random girl. Take your pic.
midnightlumina
2006-12-22, 13:34
The Excitement is killing me x_x
QueenNori
2006-12-22, 13:38
Could be Gin-sama's first Medium... or Rozen's daughter... or Alice... or some random girl. Take your pic.
You could be right. I don't unterstand very much japanese, but I know one word I read in the girl's description: miidiamu= Medium.
Asrialys
2006-12-22, 13:41
I hope over-anticipation doesn't lead anyone to disappointment...
solwyvern
2006-12-22, 13:42
Looks like a medium.
http://www.tbs.co.jp/rozen-maiden/03story/images/sp2_1.jpg
the.Merines
2006-12-22, 13:52
^PS- spoilers for Ouverture in those threads
Deathkillz
2006-12-22, 14:01
Looks like a medium.
http://www.tbs.co.jp/rozen-maiden/03story/images/sp2_1.jpg
LOL i smell dead medium XP ~ whow i hope theres a killing scene in there somewhere ^_^
LOL i smell dead medium XP ~ whow i hope theres a killing scene in there somewhere ^_^
You may be in for a disappointment if you think that way.
Deathkillz
2006-12-22, 14:10
You may be in for a disappointment if you think that way.
dam you bursting my bubble like that >.< well it would only be a plus if we have killings ~ even if we dont i still love gin sama ^_^
@ QueenNori ~ that pic is painful to looks at :upset:
*Looked through all the pics cause spoiler don't bother me la la la la la*
Now is it me or is the OVA art quality I see from the pics kinda off/suck/etc... :eyebrow:
QueenNori
2006-12-22, 14:18
Shinku's Medium is that girl!?
http://nov.2chan.net/24/src/1166813519561.jpg
http://nov.2chan.net/24/src/1166813528239.jpg
Gin-sama crying!
http://nov.2chan.net/24/src/1166813765372.jpg
Part 2 will be called "Eitelkeit".
Cool images, but ¿how many time will be release with fan-subs?
QueenNori
2006-12-22, 17:51
According to the Megumi article, the girl's name is "Sara".
http://moetron.com/mystuff/megami_jan07_a17.jpg
garra113
2006-12-22, 19:41
What? This is the OVA, not season 3. Season 2 was last year. Dunno when season 3 will be made. And there certainly won't be 10 seasons. -_-
OH GAWD IT AIRED????????????????? I'm hoping for an early Christmas present. XD
Wait so there isnt 10seasons... How come mad people keep rambling saying there are 10 seasons?
Quantumempixusxast
2006-12-22, 19:47
Supposedly, for Japaneses , tomorrow is the day, the OVA. As for me, at least a week or more !:upset:
Anyway, of course, I can't wait to see preview through images and....
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SuiginTou is crying :twitch: noooooo! Don't give up, please!
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When you look in that way, that's better, yeah!!!:D
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Oh! If it is Enju...it reeks perversion lol :heh: I never liked him.
I must not be hasty and see the RAW version forthwith of the OVA, but I can't wait. :p
Chotto mate....some remaining days, not really complicated when we have the mind in a busy position , isn't it? Sigh!
Deathkillz
2006-12-22, 19:49
if you would plz be so kind to put spoiler tags in it would be very helpful cause some of us might prefer not to see spoiler images >.<
still waiting for the raw...i hope i can get my hands on it when i wake up :)
I hope over-anticipation doesn't lead anyone to disappointment...
True, that. Well, the raw is up at the usual places; we'll see.
p.s. Sara looks so much like Rose from RedGarden! :heh:
Suiseiseki
2006-12-22, 20:22
I won't venture into this thread until I've seen the subs, because I don't want to be spoiled at all. I want to keep myself from seeing any mention of ????, ????, and what not. Besides, if it is something that I don't already know from watching seasons 1 and 2, I consider it a spoiler.
Please use spoiler tags. They are there for a reason. Spoiler tags won't bite your limbs off. Though a pissed of Desu might haunt you for the rest of your life.:D
Watching the Raw.
-->Why, is that "Creation" from the Traumend OST I hear in the background?
-->ZOMG IT EXPLAINS WHY GIN CAN HATE SHINKU in the first few minutes. Was Gin so strong-willed as to move and even, perhaps come into consciousness, by herself? She was literally Junk when Rozen was creating and laughing over the rest of the dolls. And she saw it! No wonder she feels out-casted. Yet, she was the first sister. Indeed, she was the first to be created; but left uncomplete on a shelf, only to watch the other sisters being complete and sent off to their mediums.. Yet why, Why? Why would Rozen do that?
In anycase, the scene shows her gasping wordlessly after Rozen's back, as he walks away lovingly carrying Shinku in his arms. No wonder she hates Shinku?
-->YAY HINA LIVES AGAIN In the past that is. :( Hee hee, Hina's side of the shelf in Jun's room is as messy as usual. Hanamaru-chan!! And Shinku is her usual KunKun fangirl self.
-->Looks like Souseiseki has been at her "I will be Alice" routine even way before Bara appeared on the scene. Shinku's and Souseiseki's fight was nice to see. Lots of hearty whacks, I must say. Then, just when they reach the climax in the fight (seeming to charge their artificial spirits for a mighty clash), Suiseiseki appears with her glorious shout of "Yamete!"
-->I just noticed the brooch Shinku was wearing on her ribbon had Rozen's image carved onto it. Not just that, the symbol carved on it appears to have him pressing a doll (Shinku perhaps, or Alice?) to his shoulder.
-->I love seeing Suiseiseki in action!
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Asrialys
2006-12-22, 20:55
*gaspers* Where did you get a raw?
Ahh, I just watched the raw and I was grinning all the way through. That was so good!
As a big fan of Souseiseki, I was very glad she wasn't going to be Rosa Mystica-less. Like the drama CDs, the OVA is set sometime during Traumend, when all the dolls (bar Kirakishou) are active.
After a chilling opening focusing on the shelved, neglected Suigintou, and a few nice, familiar scenes of Jun's house, Shinku asks Jun to re-sew the rose onto the knot of the bow at her neck, but when he goes to Enju's shop for thread, he buys a beautiful brooch that Enju has made and sews that on in place of the little rose. This reminds Shinku of the brooch she originally had, one with Rozen's likeness on it, and she tears off the brooch. Jun storms out, and it falls to Souseiseki to explain why she was so upset. Cue flashback...to Souseiseki and Shinku fighting in front of what looks rather reminiscent of Westminster Palace in London.
The fight was so great. Short but very sweet. I love how Souseiseki fights, and I laughed at haughty Shinku telling her that a lady ought not to refer to herself as 'boku'! Suiseiseku comes and breaks up the fight.
We meet Shinku's old medium, a spoilt little girl whose name I think was Sarah, who having felt her ring get hot knows Shinku has been fighting. She seems to think that Shinku's fighting prowess is admirable, while Shinku of course downplays such unladylike pursuits. She tells Sarah about her siblings, but can't recall Kanaria's name, and seems to think she's the eldest.
Suigintou appears from the mirror while Sarah is asleep, and while we've seen her present-day self callous as ever, cutting off the heads of Megu's roses and later crushing one of them, clearly hating the flowers for one reason or another, in the flashback she is lost, afraid and vulnerable, begging to know where Father is. Shinku asks for her name, and she gives it, saying she was Rozen's first doll. The episode ends with Shinku in shock.
The ED has interesting art, almost imitative of watercolours from children's books. Very western, very different - I like it, even though the music is somewhat insipid. Looks like more Shinku vs Boku next episode. Can't wait!
Overall, the art and animation is much the same as it was in the series, which is quite good enough for me. I can hardly wait to watch the rest.
Pics:
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Suigintou appears from the mirror while Sarah is asleep, and while we've seen her present-day self callous as ever, cutting off the heads of Megu's roses and later crushing one of them, clearly hating the flowers for one reason or another, in the flashback she is lost, afraid and vulnerable, begging to know where Father is. Shinku asks for her name, and she gives it, saying she was Rozen's first doll. The episode ends with Shinku in shock.
Yes, even tho I'm no lover of Gin, seeing like that was painful.. you fanboys will cry :p But wow, it reveals so much about her!Also, I really want the song that was playing when Gin appeared thru the mirror. I'm not sure, is it on one of the two OSTs? Does anyone have info about it?
The question that remains for me at the end of the day is:
Why did Rozen start on Gin and then leave her halfway to complete the others first?? Also, did Gin escape by herself? If so, that would finally explain why she had no torso. So it was really her willpower to find Rozen that made her like that.
Why did Rozen start on Gin and then leave her halfway to complete the others first?? Also, did Gin escape by herself? If so, that would finally explain why she had no torso. So it was really her willpower to find Rozen that made her like that.
Yeah, I'm fairly sure she got away on her own. I think that's why we had that scene of her crawling towards her clothes unaided. I guess they gave her the mystical power of levitation so that she could go and fetch her legs! Her not knowing where Rozen is also supports the idea that she got away on her own.
Li Jianliang
2006-12-22, 22:06
It's frustrating to have an edited version air the first time around. I'm going to blog the episode/Part I when the widescreen version airs...on January 11th on BS-i channel.
(Click for a bigger, un-sideways version)
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Also, I really want the song that was playing when Gin appeared thru the mirror. I'm not sure, is it on one of the two OSTs? Does anyone have info about it?
The song at the end? That's called 'Atem' by Kukui. I don't know if it's on any of the OSTs, but it's on the Rozen Maiden Traumend ED Single.
^Thank you.
Final Impressions. None of it is a spoiler, but if you want to keep your eyes absolutely virgin for the sub you might not want to clicky.
After such a long wait, finally seeing more of Rozen Maiden the anime is a really wonderful feeling. Also, the dolls are as they were, before Bara made her premiere; tho Bara is also seen with Enju in one scene (blitz1/2 you must have prayed very hard!). Seeing Suiseiseki in her tsundere moments was :love:. Even so for HinaIchigo.
This episode seems to have devoted alot of time to the current situation of the dolls (i.e. present time after S1 and before S2); in fact more than Gin's history. Tho from the events in "Jun-time" it leads into the history of Shinku, and later, her first meeting with Suigintou. (When Suigintou says her name for the first time it was quite sad). So far, I think it has not explored much about the origin of Gin, except letting us in on one major spoiler with regards to her creation. Thus, it leaves, quite intentionally I must add, more questions than answers.
Then again, I'm sure that at the end of this OVA, even more questions will be left than answers; and hopefully, all signs will point to a season 3.
The ED. Altho sung by kukui, do not expect anything like Hikari no Rasenritsu. It’s very different, that apart, I think it is very very nice. It captures the foreboding feeling of Gin’s story-to-come. I hope the single gets out soon. I didnt much like the ED sequence/scenes tho, as BonBon said its very westernised, tho I think that it might very well have been drawn by our master-artist, HinaIchigo. Okay, not that bad.
ChibiAurora
2006-12-22, 22:52
EDIT:OOPS...I'm not supposed to put those kinds of links O.o [/EDIT]
so....I'm off to go watch the raw even though I don't understand japanese....I'm the kind of person that enjoys watching things even if I've watched them before. It's almost as if I hadn't watched it before XD
I'm so glad I'm easy to please in that sense >.>
the.Merines
2006-12-22, 22:55
So, I broke down and watched the raw. I was surprised by how much I could understand simply out of prior knowledge and context (I've never taken a single Japanese class, unfortunately).
I guess I never surmised beforehand that the "present time" parts of the episode would be during Traumend's timeline, therefore not forwarding the overall storyline yet still letting us see all the dolls we know.
Souseiseki and Shinku fighting around Big Ben was awesome. I was surprised that Shinku would have such a young Medium, and her reaction to cats is priceless as always. Suigintou... Ah, my love. I never before thought that when they said that Rozen left her "unfinished," it meant more than just her torso being missing. He literally gave up on her (and rather quickly I might add) and went ahead to finish all the other dolls up to Kanaria (though she is never seen in Rozen's house). Suigintou loves her otou-sama. It'll be odd to see her interacting with Shinku, and I have a feeling that the brooch has something to do with their rivalry (it was a tea cup in my fanfiction, but maybe I was dead on!).
There were a couple tracks that I didn't recognize, but they reminded me of the .hack//SIGN or Liminality soundtracks. The ED wasn't too catchy, and I really disliked the ED's background animation. From the moment the OP started I could tell the difference between the widescreen DVD version I know versus the pan-and-scan of a normal TV broadcast.
Patiently waiting for part 2 tomorrow. Laplace no Ma appearing makes me nervous.
Yes, the first thought that came to my mind was, "What the Hell is he doing there?"
ChibiAurora
2006-12-22, 23:58
I just finished watching part one, and....
Even though I couldn't understand much, their actions and tones sort of gave me clues about what was going on. The scenes with SuiginTou were really moving. It seems to me like her body is almost completely incapable of moving, except for her face, neck, and her right arm. Her other arm remains limp, and her legs don't move either (after she somehow gets to them).
I've never been a Shinku fan, and quite frankly, I'm starting to think I will never be.
That scene at the end was really sad. The way Shinku pushes her away is kind of....ugh...I just didn't like how she can so easily push someone off like that when they're clearly in need. I mean SuiginTou fell right after she came out of the mirror, what harm could she do? Shinku just seemed so pompous. Not in the usual cute way, either.
EDIT: (jezz, I keep doing that....)
I HATE FATHER.
When Shinku said SuiginTou was left unfinished, I didn't think it was so extreme..... Not only did he not give her a torso, he didn't give her anything underneath. He left her completely abandoned on a shelf, as she watched him complete everyone up to Shinku. HinaIchigo wasn't really seen in his house ( I think O.O)
He didn't even turn to look at her as she feebly called for him....
I HATE HIM......
well, I can't wait 'till part two, and the subs. Especially the subs....
dxgarten
2006-12-23, 01:36
Episode 01 screencaps and summary (http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/archives/rozenmaiden_ouverture_ep1.html)
I applaud Peach Pit and the writing staff for turning the tide. This is a good example of how a story can be different when viewed from another person's POV. Shinku certainly looks a bit unpleasant here (although still within reasonable limit) while the show completely symphatises with Suigintou's plight
(Click for a bigger, un-sideways version)
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May I use this thumbnail of yours for a signature?
Li Jianliang
2006-12-23, 02:44
May I use this thumbnail of yours for a signature?Yes, you may. You should work with the bigger-sized version of it to start with, though. ^_^
solwyvern
2006-12-23, 02:51
Then again, I'm sure that at the end of this OVA, even more questions will be left than answers; and hopefully, all signs will point to a season 3.
The ED. Altho sung by kukui, do not expect anything like Hikari no Rasenritsu. It’s very different, that apart, I think it is very very nice. It captures the foreboding feeling of Gin’s story-to-come. I hope the single gets out soon. I didnt much like the ED sequence/scenes tho, as BonBon said its very westernised, tho I think that it might very well have been drawn by our master-artist, HinaIchigo. Okay, not that bad.
I love the ED. Even more than the Op, actually..
So, It seems it wasn't Ali Project after all.
Just seeing the first parts of the episode, it undeniabley points to a season 3.
Well, first impressions, would be.. 'It's been too long since I last saw Rozen Maiden, so everthing feels new to me.' :heh:
blitz1/2
2006-12-23, 03:02
Barasuishou is back? Yes!!!!
She had a 20+ second cameo :p
@sol Yes, everything looks bright and shiny doesnt it! :D
Thank you, Li. Don't worry, it's just gonna be a simple one I'll keep up for awhile. Need to advertise Ouverture. :heh:
solwyvern
2006-12-23, 03:37
One thing I've noticed.
Doesn't Sarah sound awfully alot like Vita from Mahou Shoujo??
Can someone confirm?
I can't get Vita-chan out of my mind when I hear that voice. =/
QueenNori
2006-12-23, 03:48
More Enju?
http://www.tbs.co.jp/rozen-maiden/03story/images/sp2_2.jpg
Source: official Ouvertüre site
It makes me so angry that Rozen abandoned and ignored Suigintou
Shinku was really cute when facing a cat,
she said to Souseiseki during their fight:a lady calls herself Boku like a boy,what a mannerism
I feel the same; yet puzzled, because why would he do such a cruel thing? I hope they explain that in the next part. (come-on already, Peach-Pit, give us something about Rozen!)
Deathkillz
2006-12-23, 05:55
*boo**hoo* i am weak minded >.< ahh well whats done is done and i watched the RAW >.<
oki about the ep...
you know the amount of torture that gin sama obtained from this ep only makes my love for her stronger ~
rozen you faggott! :frustrated: okey so not only does he not finnish gin sama but he also leave her there to watch the others get completed and shinku gets a special broach...how unfair is that!? T_T whats more the alice game shows 7 doll competitors (shinku even said so herself) so if rozen wanted gin sama to compete then why the fck did he not complete her? so he expected gin to fend for herself only with the upper part of her body intact? omg T_T i hate the gay soo much now...
and shinku...okey shes still as snobby as ever but seriously smacking gin sama against the wall isnt a good start...
poor helpless defenseless gin sama :( she needs a hug *hugs*
well atm her character is pretty much innocent...she is desperate to see her father (even though i want to shoot him T_T) and this led to her being almost child-like and naive (which i find cute;))...but the preview is sure to change all that ~ the easter bunny is back ~
hurray! ^_^
the.Merines
2006-12-23, 06:11
Part two predictions, anyone?
Shinku starts teaching Suigintou how to be more lady-like. Through Souseiseki, poor little Suigintou is introduced to the Alice Game. After some time, Gin remembers seeing Rozen favor Shinku by giving her that brooch. The two get into a quarrel which escalates, Gin steals her brooch... Laplace instigates things further... Meh, I dunno. If they get in a huge fight over an item from otou-sama (the brooch!), I'll be super ecstatic because that's how I imagined this was the reason for their hatred in my fanfic.
solwyvern
2006-12-23, 06:29
*boo**hoo* i am weak minded >.< ahh well whats done is done and i watched the RAW >.<
hurray! ^_^
Haha, you'd give in sooner or later. :p
You really don't miss anything important though, everything can be understood just by watching.
..or if you think you've missed something, read the summary here (http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/archives/rozenmaiden_ouverture_ep1.html).
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Predictions?
Merines, pretty much said all of it.
Suigintou witnesses the 'Alice' game Father wanted through Shinku & Sou's battle
Suigintou realizes Shinku is Father's 'favorite' through the brooch,
Maybe Laplace will be the sole cause in the end.
Deathkillz
2006-12-23, 07:12
Haha, you'd give in sooner or later. :p
but i already did give in :eyebrow:
ep 2 prediction?
in a fit of rage gin sama is gonna kick some ass :D well the easter bunny would naturally be pulling some strings in the background to get gin sama fired up...and oh well we can all guess that shinku miraculously manages to defeat gin sama ~ how the hell that works is beyond me :rolleyes:
midnightlumina
2006-12-23, 07:18
all in all, after reading the summary. I now know that:
1. Rozen is a jackass. Thinks that Warriors(Kanaria) are better than the Spurs (Suigintou)
2. Stinku really stinks. Easily the most arrogant among all the RM, Lost all respect for her.
3. Poor Gin-sama...
4. Wow, Souseiseki= Warfreak, meanwhile, Suiseiseki= Pacifist... LOL
the.Merines covered most of it. I didnt think about them fighting over the badge; but I guess Shinku's reaction to Jun sewing on that badge gives quite a lot away doesnt it?
I'm quite certain Laplace will have something to do in turning Gin around - thats really all he has done so far, damn him. (Actually, I'd rather not have that prediction come true, because I'm getting sick of Peach-Pit pushing the blame to him.. I don't know how to say it, but to me it just seems like the easiest thing to do, the easy way out to make it the fault of the wabbit. I wish they could show up Gin in greater depth by having her make the decision herself, without that push from him.)
So while my prediction is that Laplace will give that final push; I rather not it come true.
As for those showing hate for Shinku right now, cool down. Although what she did in Part 1 was quite uncalled for (to be fair tho, who would want a slobbering doll to mess up your dress? -- @Gin Fanboys: that was a rhetorical question, don't answer); see the preview. She becomes kind to Gin!
Shinku's attitude is unbearable during those flashbacks. She's more arrogant and selfish before. At least, we got to see the reason why Suiginto hates Shinku with a passion no? :heh: Poor Suiginto, she must've struggled so hard during those times. So Overture is like after the first season and before the second season started?
I wonder know if Kirakishou will apear in the final of Overture today 23
the.Merines
2006-12-23, 14:32
yeah Im with Mercury Lampe on his request. Does anyone know if anyones working on subs?
Fansub no Tameni is going to be subbing Ouverture.
QueenNori
2006-12-23, 14:45
I can't wait until part 2 :)
Deathkillz
2006-12-23, 16:31
okey...i might be hallucinating...but i think i see the raw for the 2nd ep up O.o oh my gods *runs aroung screaming like a little girl*
the.Merines
2006-12-23, 16:39
Yeah, it's up.
QueenNori
2006-12-23, 16:40
I see it, too!
Deathkillz
2006-12-23, 17:17
whoo 61% and going strong :D i can wait to watch this ^_^
edit: done! watching now :3
QueenNori
2006-12-23, 18:07
Is Shinku teaching Suigintou how to walk? How cute X3
ChibiAurora
2006-12-23, 18:10
I saw it. I hate Shinku now ;_; It's not her fault (is it?). I just hate her now....
Whoever said SuiginTou hated her because she called her junk
..they were right
Her wings seemed to come from..
her anger and sudden outburst of power. Seriously. At first, we see feathers floating around her, then she gets mad and sprouts a large mass of feathers from her back, attacking Shinku. Then the newly formed wings shrink to their ...I guess "usual" size.
The main reason I think SuiginTou hates Stinku....*cant believe I typed that...wait..yes I can.
After she came through the mirror, Stinku sort of took her in. Shinku became the one person...er doll....that SuiginTou believed in. And when Shinku didn't believe that SuiginTou after SouseiSeki cut her in half basically...SuiginTou probably felt abandoned..again. Then...she finally got her Rosa Misticae from a certain blonde person..and probably got her strings pulled.
EDIT: @QueenNori: Yes, She was teaching her how to walk X3....wait 'till you see her smile.
Deathkillz
2006-12-23, 18:13
Is Shinku teaching Suigintou how to walk? So cute X3
ahh but what happens after!? noo shinku you evil bitch! :frustrated: suigintou asks soo desprately for help and you just let her sink to the bottom of hell T_T
well as quick as it started it ends :(
shinku at first tries to care for gin sama but things turn horribly when she finds out about the alic game...omg as if boku just atacked gin for minimal reason :mad: revealing her weak form its soo hard to bare >.< gin sama just lying there crying breaks my heart >.<
and what? well gin turns evil in the end because shinku was looking down on her too much...so enough was enough and she decides to take what is hers...grabbing the broach she then crushes it in her hands causing shinku to scream in pain...and thats where the legendary "J" word started out...oh man did that word his gin hard...and she will never forget it for as long as she lives ~ too bad the end was spoiled by the easter bunny and thats the end...
too short! man i demand a 3rd season now :frustrated:
QueenNori
2006-12-23, 18:30
I watched it - and I loved it.
Suigintou looks so innocent in the OVA X3
Shinku cried at the end, too :p
Still having some goosebumps after watching that second part
Shinku didn't really look down on her, that was what Suigintou misunderstood...Shinku tried to explain that she wanted her to live happily with Sarah as a normal doll did she not? Also, to think that Suigintou would move without a rozamystica...I bet that it was pretty much of a surprise to him...in the end he did admit that she had the qualification to become alice so that makes him a bit less of a bastard...just a bit.
ps. Could someone check Suigintou's eyes' colour for me? I thought I saw them red a few times not magenta like they are in the anime...my eyes are tired but meh.:uhoh:
Anyway, in the end that doesn't really affect how I feel about Shinku tho, she was a bit too proud back then sure, is she one now? It made me like Suigintou more tho which should bring her to a divided first place with Suiseiseki. :rolleyes:
Deathkillz
2006-12-23, 19:35
^
well she was obviously looking down on her status calling her "poor this poor that" i mean whats soo poor about gin? sure she isnt a complete doll but for shinku to keep referring to the word "you poor thing" its irritating >.< almost as bad as calling her the "J" word to which i shall not speak in honor of the great gin sama! /fanboy mode ~
and shinku shouldnt have held the secret for soo long and even when the truth was out try to comfort her with words that imply..."your daddy doenst love you so you should just go an be a normal doll"...well little does she know its her love for her father which made her move in the first place even without a rosa mystical ~
and rozen is still a bastard...okey now hes given gin a rosa mystical...but wheres the rest of her body? O.o why not just complete he for hells sakes instead of letting her carry on suffering mourning that she doesnt have a stomach!? T_T
Mmmm ¿and nothing about of Kira?
Megu-chan
2006-12-23, 19:53
Mmmm ¿and nothing about of Kira?
I would have thought Kira would be shown in the shadows, grining like a cheshire cat watching Gin.
To Deathkillz again
Yeah, I know it's irritating then again seeing as she was, couldn't walk or pretty much anything else either, wouldn't that qualify as a "poor one", ofc she didn't give enough credit to her in the end but I didn't think that Suigintou was really ready to be "not called the poor one" more like a child just learned to walk (sigh, pun kinda intented) but didn't know where to walk.
the part after Sou attacked her were heartwrenching indeed but it does show that Shinku wanted to protect her eventho she went kinda overboard with the "oh you poor one, you're an unfinished product" but she did want her to be happy, didn't she? I mean...if she had told her that, she would've been absolutely crushed losing the will to live at all. If I had been in her shoes I would've kept it a secret long enough for her to get something else to live for as well.
about the not completing her...that kinda beats me as well. Trying to look from a different viewpoint...like he accepts unfinished ones but if he did repair her fully that would mean that Suigintou was indeed born as unfinished doll which wouldn't have had any qualifications to be an alice. This way he shows that eventho she is unfinished she can be an alice even with her faults?
Episode 2 of Ouverture, while underwhelming in places, certainly exceeded my expectations in some ways.
Suigintou is so totally innocent and childlike that it’s very hard not to feel sympathetic, and for me that was a very good thing, considering that I always considered ‘Gin-sama’ to be over-rated and not very fleshed-out. Shinku cares for her as she learns to walk and a nice bond forms between them. She follows Shinku into the N-Field, where Souseiseki, dedicated as always to the Alice Game, attacks just where Suigintou is, erm…lacking and makes her fall in two (NASTY Souseiseki! You bad and naughty doll!) and she disappears from the N-Field.
However, Rozen meets her, and gives her a Rosa Mystica. That nasty stirrer.
Shinku and Suigintou meet again, and are soon fighting. What I was very pleased about was that they begin to battle not because LaPlace no Ma instigated it, but because of a genuine enmity that is easy to understand – Shinku, having seen Suigintou at her most vulnerable, pities her, calling her a poor, sad thing and an unfinished product. Suigintou gets angry, her pride offended by being looked down upon. I fully expected to think Shinku was an idiot in this episode, especially since she seemed more arrogant and self-satisfied than ever in the first one, but actually I really understood why she saw Suigintou the way she did – she was just being protective, and I understood why. However, I could also understand why Suigintou was angry, and lashed out…though she went too far, breaking the brooch. Poor Shinku!
Deeply upset, Shinku calls Suigintou the dreaded J-Bomb, and Suigintou, through anger and most likely thanks to her new Rosa Mystica, sprouts her wings and the true battle began. However, out of nowhere, LaPlace no Ma comes and stops the battle, presumably until Jun, Tomoe and that old guy start their makimaki-ing in present-day Japan. It was an abrupt and unsatisfying ending, but Suigintou’s story was told, so…job done, I suppose. It leaves me hungry for more, though.
The Alice Game has always been a bit arbitrary, with Rozen’s desires left inscrutable, but it leads to some great drama; I don’t really mind that his motives are shady at best, utterly contrived at worst. I was also surprised Suigintou didn’t have a rosa mystica before…I always assumed that’s what made the dolls able to move, talk, eat et al, but apparently not. I also didn’t really understand why Shinku was ending her contract with Sarah…
My favourite bit, though, was Souseiseki’s Oddjob impression, with her amazing boomerang hat!
ChibiAurora
2006-12-23, 21:07
My favourite bit, though, was Souseiseki’s Oddjob impression, with her amazing boomerang hat!
I thought I was the only one XD
I was like "boomerang hat!".
I wonder what all of the other dolls would think if they saw SuiginTou as we saw her at the beginning of Part One.
I wonder what all of the other dolls would think if they saw SuiginTou as we saw her at the beginning of Part One.
Probably be more inclined to offer her unyuu.
Also,
Shouldn’t Shinku have been less surprised when she saw midriff-less Suigintou at the end of series 1?
ChibiAurora
2006-12-23, 21:13
Shouldn’t Shinku have been less surprised when she saw midriff-less Suigintou at the end of series 1?
HM...
Maybe it wasn't surprise, maybe she really it's her natural reaction to see something so depressing. Like in movies, something sad doesn't stop being sad the second time around >.>
HM...
Maybe it wasn't surprise, maybe she really it's her natural reaction to see something so depressing. Like in movies, something sad doesn't stop being sad the second time around >.>
Actually, re-watching it, Shinku DOES know in advance, and explains for Jun.
ChibiAurora
2006-12-23, 21:23
That's not quite what I meant.^^
Just because she knew in the first season, doesn't mean it's something pleasent to look at. I'd be shocked if I saw that,even if I knew it was coming
Yes, I understood what you meant, its true I think. She knew that Gin did not have a stomach, yet seeing something so pitiful and depressing, as you said, makes one sad all over again. Especially after such a long time has passed~ even a new shock may be possible.
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/849/snapshot20061224103103fs7.th.jpg (http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20061224103103fs7.jpg)Must... resist... becoming... a Gin... fanboy!! Nuuuuuuu~
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*moved*
ChibiAurora
2006-12-23, 21:40
As a Gin-sama fangirl I say to thee:
You shall give in to temptaion! XD
I love that picture....
THE EDIT BUTTON SEEMS TO BE MY BEST FWIEND....
Megu-chan. I just saw your signature........XD.....I am so slowww.......
the.Merines
2006-12-23, 22:08
Ah, and so quickly it's done. Unfortunately I didn't understand as much of the Japanese in this episode compared to part 1, though the main points got across.
It was super cute to see Shinku teach Suigintou how to walk, and how happy Suigintou was when she figured it out. Even at that point, though, it was obvious that Shinku had become really attached to Gin-chan. Shinku seems to be really stressed by the Alice Game (probably from Souseiseki's constant challenges), which explains why she was so hostile towards Gin at first.
Shinku did not want Suigintou to get wrapped up in the Alice Game at all. This is a side of Shinku we really never saw before: protecting someone outside of her immediate interests (i.e., herself or her Medium). Souseiseki seemed rather unchanged when Gin appeared and only went on the offensive when she called herself the first Rozen Maiden. Sou-chan, bless her boku heart, didn't know Suigintou's whole backstory but simply saw another enemy.
So Suigintou really was left totally unfinished... I assume Rozen had abandoned the property by the time she came to life? It's obvious that a fair amount of time had passed. Rozen, motives unknown as always, finds the broken Gin and gives her a Rosa Mystica. I'm forced to think that he didn't speak with her at all, but rather he simply appeared and gave her that power.
This explains why Suigintou is so passionate, though she didn't understand her situation 100%. From watching Shinku and Souseiseki fight she learned about the Alice Game and how it's played, basically, and the benefit of winning. She thinks that Shinku wasn't protecting her, but looking down on her and egging her on until Shinku was ready to make the kill. Of course this is a misunderstanding... The brooch came into play, as I suspected, and the hatred of "junk" was born.
All in all, I feel enlightened to Suigintou's and Shinku's characters a little more now. Now... bring on news of season 3! Bear in mind all these impressions are based on my interpretation of the events and are not 100% accurate.
edit:
Couple things I forgot.
Yeah, it's odd that Shinku knew Laplace already. It also bothered me that Enju and Shirosaki were around back then; they sure have aged well! Go ahead and blame the "magical power," but maybe Rozen doesn't show himself for a reason. ^_^;
Also, Suigintou's n-Field! It's the same! I always thought that it was based on the city where Shinku and Suigintou fought during WWII. That's what seemed to have been inferred in Traumend, but maybe I was mistaken!
On this episode
*gasp! How can we say that Shinku is arrogant!? She lets Gin sleep in her Case for crying out loud! :upset: :heh:
Actually, seeing how Shinku taught Gin how to walk, full knowing well that she was teaching one who was supposed to be an enemy, one who could use what Shinku taught her later to destroy Shinku, one whom Shinku could have destroyed so easily and taken her RM, is consistent with what we saw as Shinku developed in S1 and 2; that despite her in-born need for propriety, she has this side that is kind and affectionate. Further more, she was helping one who she didnt know was truly a Rozen Maiden, remember, all she had was Gin's words. Apparently Shinku did not see Gin in the workshp.
I mean, Gin owes a lot to Shinku.
I could not understand what Shinku said to Gin in the Cathedral; if it was really degrading, then I take back what I said above. But if she was reasoning that Gin wasn't completed and thus could not be a real Rozen Maiden, I honestly do not blame Shinku.
Ouch, Gin broke the most precious Link Shinku had to father. No matter what Shinku did to Gin, I think it was absolutely uncalled for on Suigintou's part. And laughing over it too... :upset: Then again, "Junk" ran deep, but at this point who can blame Shinku for what she said?
DAMN YOU SOUSEISEKI WHY WHY? Suigintou was defenseless! Suigintou wanted to be friends with you! (to be honest, at that scene, I was actually quite irrationally glad that Sou's RM got taken away later; gomen to all her fans). :heh:
Its interesting that Shinku knows Laplace from before. And He seems to be some sort of umpire or controller of the Alice Game, as if determining when and where they would fight; tho might be wrong because I do not understand what he said.
Final Impressions of the unTL'ed Ouverture
First, on the whole this was a very good watch. What I really liked about it was that it lived up to my expectations in everyway, most importantly tho, in the way that it kept thru to the hype about developing the Origins of Gin. Not only that, it throws in Shinku's history as well. And it is done in a very very believable manner; I found myself feeling for Gin, and crying for Shinku. This OVA is great~! Fanboyishly great! :D
If I may add something about how I feel about the OVA's star now (Gin), I think she has really changed in character for me. Understanding why she became so vindictive and "evil" in a sense really helps, tho it doesnt mean I dislike it any less. I feel, that due to Rozen's bastardly act of leaving her incomplete, Gin started out being mentally and emotionally unbalanced. You can see it in the way she talked about Rozen to Shinku, when she had just learnt to walk. Over time, some things helped her (like Shinku's short friendship), and sadly, other things gave her that push to make her even more off-balanced. But, yes, when Gin next shows that evil eye and laugh, I'll understand why. And thats a very good thing.
Kudos to this OVA, and Peach-Pit (even if you didnt hint at a S3), for doing this. :) Now to wait for the good fansubbers.
And :twitch: I was hoping for a S3 announcement, hint, anything... at the end of OVA 02, but Venus Versus Virus!? :upset: Ah well, I will be watching that. :heh:
the.Merines
2006-12-23, 22:51
I did the same thing Lost. I clicked past the ED to check... but I went back and watched it afterward. It's growing on me... But hey, now I know when V vs.V starts!
Damn Peach-Pit. Hurry up and finish introducing Kira so the story can go on!
/end mood swing
solwyvern
2006-12-24, 01:25
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2717/50612745pi6.th.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=50612745pi6.jpg)
T_T just T_T
Oh, and IT NEEDS MOAR FIGHT SCENES!!1!
where i can watch the scenes of the second chapter?
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2717/50612745pi6.th.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=50612745pi6.jpg)
T_T just T_T
Yes!! That scene was so so sad because we all knew what was going to happen later. :(
mintyfresh
2006-12-24, 02:44
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2717/50612745pi6.th.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=50612745pi6.jpg)
If only that could've lasted longer.. It was so cute to see them so like that... TT^TT
I haven't watched Traumend yet, but after watching this, I think I'm definitely going to watch it now.
Thank you for that scan btw! <3
blitz1/2
2006-12-24, 02:48
Why is Souseiseki here? Does this happen before episode 8? ( I mean the first 10 minutes)
Yes, this is set before Bara gets revealed to them. So somewhere in between the end of S1 and the start of S2 should be an accurate guess.
(p.s. I'm falling in love with Atem by kukui, the BGM that appears in both episodes)
Its such a s...sad history,
shinku and suigintou were neither wrong,
and Souseiseki's action was reasonable,
maybe it was only Rozen's fault!
have to say, in the overture there isn't so much scene for Suiseiseki,
a little disapointed
Souseiseki's hat-attack,really cool ^_^
Yes, this is set before Bara gets revealed to them. So somewhere in between the end of S1 and the start of S2 should be an accurate guess.
(p.s. I'm falling in love with Atem by kukui, the BGM that appears in both episodes)
I think it's more likely to be a bit after ep 4 in Träumend since Suiseiseki complains that "even after becoming my medium he always goes to Jun whenever something happens", which is kinda selfexplanatory?
Oooh.. I see. I didnt know she said that.
Deathkillz
2006-12-24, 06:10
On this episode
*gasp! How can we say that Shinku is arrogant!? She lets Gin sleep in her Case for crying out loud! :upset: :heh:
Actually, seeing how Shinku taught Gin how to walk, full knowing well that she was teaching one who was supposed to be an enemy, one who could use what Shinku taught her later to destroy Shinku, one whom Shinku could have destroyed so easily and taken her RM, is consistent with what we saw as Shinku developed in S1 and 2; that despite her in-born need for propriety, she has this side that is kind and affectionate. Further more, she was helping one who she didnt know was truly a Rozen Maiden, remember, all she had was Gin's words. Apparently Shinku did not see Gin in the workshp.
I mean, Gin owes a lot to Shinku.
I could not understand what Shinku said to Gin in the Cathedral; if it was really degrading, then I take back what I said above. But if she was reasoning that Gin wasn't completed and thus could not be a real Rozen Maiden, I honestly do not blame Shinku.
Ouch, Gin broke the most precious Link Shinku had to father. No matter what Shinku did to Gin, I think it was absolutely uncalled for on Suigintou's part. And laughing over it too... :upset: Then again, "Junk" ran deep, but at this point who can blame Shinku for what she said?
DAMN YOU SOUSEISEKI WHY WHY? Suigintou was defenseless! Suigintou wanted to be friends with you! (to be honest, at that scene, I was actually quite irrationally glad that Sou's RM got taken away later; gomen to all her fans). :heh:
Its interesting that Shinku knows Laplace from before. And He seems to be some sort of umpire or controller of the Alice Game, as if determining when and where they would fight; tho might be wrong because I do not understand what he said.
Kudos to this OVA, and Peach-Pit (even if you didnt hint at a S3), for doing this. :) Now to wait for the good fansubbers.
And :twitch: I was hoping for a S3 announcement, hint, anything... at the end of OVA 02, but Venus Versus Virus!? :upset: Ah well, I will be watching that. :heh:
ahh but ~
when shinku was teaching gin how to walk she didnt have it in mind that she was gonna be an enemy in the future...as if you have forgotted she didnt have a rosa mystical in the first place so was unqualified to be a rozen maiden doll ~ that way we can only see shinku helping out someone "less fortunate" than her...and again her use of the word "you poor one" over and over pissed me off a little ~ and when the truth was revealed...ouch did it becomea blow to gin's heart...she tried soo hard to walk in order to see father now shinku tells her that she will never see him as she isnt even a rozen maiden doll...talk about getting your hopes up and crashing it all back down...
oh and that scene just before gin whent crazy...i think it was due to shinku's disbelief tht gin has become a RM doll by recieving a rosa mystical from father...but whats not to believe? this caused gin to think that shinku is jealous of her recieving something from rozen and that sparked off the war as gin aimed to take something precious away from shinku...
owh man >.< i was hoping for some kind of hint too >.< but it turned out to be VVV <----which i will watch as well cause it looks insane...but really need season 3 :upset:
ahh but ~
when shinku was teaching gin how to walk she didnt have it in mind that she was gonna be an enemy in the future...as if you have forgotted she didnt have a rosa mystical in the first place so was unqualified to be a rozen maiden doll ~ that way we can only see shinku helping out someone "less fortunate" than her...and again her use of the word "you poor one" over and over pissed me off a little ~ and when the truth was revealed...ouch did it becomea blow to gin's heart...she tried soo hard to walk in order to see father now shinku tells her that she will never see him as she isnt even a rozen maiden doll...talk about getting your hopes up and crashing it all back down...
Oooh, I understand. The repeated use of "you poor one" wasnt so justified, but in Shinku's defense, at least she wasnt saying it purposely or trying to anger Gin? I say this because I believe that she really didnt like seeing Gin in that state:
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8072/snapshot20061224104455shl0.th.jpg (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20061224104455shl0.jpg)
This was when Gin was hugging her. I like to think that the pity she felt was at least real. (but, yeah, pity is bad - then again, Gin was in a somewhat pitiful state - tho repeating that pity over and over is worse)
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/8159/shinkudidntlikeitoc9.th.jpg (http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shinkudidntlikeitoc9.jpg)
This was when Gin disappeared into the ground. I dont think Shinku enjoyed it.
Also, while Shinku could have been more tactful when breaking the "news" that Gin "couldnt" become a RM to her, at least Shinku did not expressly teach Gin to walk just so Gin could meet father, i.e. she didnt purposely say or intent: "I'm teaching you to walk so you can meet father" (or did she? Remember, I know no Japanese. :heh:). All along, it was Gin's desire to meet father that led Gin along. Anyhow, I guess thats the reason for Shinku's sad expression when Gin hugged her.. Shinku thought that Gin could not meet father.
oh and that scene just before gin whent crazy...i think it was due to shinku's disbelief tht gin has become a RM doll by recieving a rosa mystical from father...but whats not to believe? this caused gin to think that shinku is jealous of her recieving something from rozen and that sparked off the war as gin aimed to take something precious away from shinku...
I see.
Oooh, I understand. The repeated use of "you poor one" wasnt so justified, but in Shinku's defense, at least she wasnt saying it purposely or trying to anger Gin? I say this because I believe that she really didnt like seeing Gin in that state:
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8072/snapshot20061224104455shl0.th.jpg (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20061224104455shl0.jpg)
This was when Gin was hugging her. I like to think that the pity she felt was at least real. (but, yeah, pity is bad - then again, Gin was in a somewhat pitiful state - tho repeating that pity over and over is worse)
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/8159/shinkudidntlikeitoc9.th.jpg (http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shinkudidntlikeitoc9.jpg)
This was when Gin disappeared into the ground. I dont think Shinku enjoyed it.
Also, while Shinku could have been more tactful when breaking the "news" that Gin "couldnt" become a RM to her, at least Shinku did not expressly teach Gin to walk just so Gin could meet father, i.e. she didnt purposely say or intent: "I'm teaching you to walk so you can meet father" (or did she? Remember, I know no Japanese. :heh:). All along, it was Gin's desire to meet father that led Gin along. Anyhow, I guess thats the reason for Shinku's sad expression when Gin hugged her.. Shinku thought that Gin could not meet father.
I see.
nope, she didn't say it. and yep, Gin snapped when Shinku was in such a disbelief that a "doll like her" unfinished and "pitiful" could ever become a Rozen maiden in her somewhat exact words (I'm not a good translator really) after Suigintou introduced herself to Shinku as a Rozen maiden "That's a lie...for you to be a rozenmaiden? something like that..." "Why?" "because aren't you still unfinished, pitiful doll. The Rozenmaiden were made to aim to be the perfect girl, Alice. You're...different from us"
Deathkillz
2006-12-24, 08:01
nope, she didn't say it. and yep, Gin snapped when Shinku was in such a disbelief that a "doll like her" unfinished and "pitiful" could ever become a Rozen maiden in her somewhat exact words (I'm not a good translator really) after Suigintou introduced herself to Shinku as a Rozen maiden "That's a lie...for you to be a rozenmaiden? something like that..." "Why?" "because aren't you still unfinished, pitiful doll. The Rozenmaiden were made to aim to be the perfect girl, Alice. You're...different from us"
yep quite spiteful imo even if shinku didnt intend it ~ well she can only blame her snobby personality for what happened next :heh: i mean underestimating gin sama *tsk*tsk* ~ and to think gin sama is the big sister...lol she needs more respect :heh:
solwyvern
2006-12-24, 08:08
Don't forget...
JUNK! You're JUNK!!
Ah, but that was after Gin did the unthinkable..
(God, where's Muir Woods when you need him!!) :p :heh: :)
▼ Oy.. not more Shinku hate! :heh:
TamaNeko
2006-12-24, 08:43
After watching this special, which I quite enjoyed, my feelings for STINKU can only be summarized by this one picture alone. :frustrated:
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1712/diestinkudiecj5.jpg
Oh btw, did anyone else noticed that Suigintou had red eyes instead of magenta eyes? at least it's quite apparent in the second part of the special, especially at times when she was learning to walk and 9:27 also 17:05...looks like her eyes changed due to time or due to hate or something like that?
the.Merines
2006-12-24, 10:27
Well, it's obvious that her pupils went from round (like the rest of the dolls) to thin and diamond-shaped (as we know her) when she turned her back on Shinku. I'm not sure if her eyes' coloration is meaningful or staff mistake.
Well, it's obvious that her pupils went from round (like the rest of the dolls) to thin and diamond-shaped (as we know her) when she turned her back on Shinku. I'm not sure if her eyes' coloration is meaningful or staff mistake.
yeh, just snagged a pair of free eyes from somewhere to fit her mood :D oh well, I like the magenta eyes better but the red and round ones weren't bad either. Wasn't her eyes supposed to be red in the manga tho? maybe it was some sort of reference or summat? oh well, her eyes were the right colour in ending and opening and when she was in Souseiseki's N-field (then again, everything was a bit tinted in purplish colour) :uhoh:
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