Tsubasa RESERVoir CHRoNiCLE

[Xellos-_^]

CLAMP has never been a conformist doujin circle. That's why I always refer to them as "dames": they pretty much do what they want, and they liberally show people who don't agree with them the middle finger (in a roundabout way of course).


personally i prefer their works like RG Vega, X/1999 and Tokyo Babylon. Those were much more edgier then their current stuff.

[Anh_Minh]

(I say lost because people tend to jump down my throat when I say it was stolen from him)
That's because "stolen" would mean someone did it to him. That's not what happened.

[Kafriel]

En garde, your throat is about to be jumped on! I want to see the whole thing end, the last few chapters have been too much magic and too little talking.

[KimmyChan]

I never realised until a few months ago that the original Mokonas were found in Magic Knight Rayearth :)

[solarknight123]

I never realised until a few months ago that the original Mokonas were found in Magic Knight Rayearth :)

Yeah in fact there was a book released called "SOEL and LARG: The Adventures of Mokona＝Modok" that explain the origins of the mokonas. Yuuko and Clow met the original mokona from Magic Knight Rayearth who was traveling through dimensions and after the original makona told them about alternate dimensions and make the 2 mokonas based off the original for the purpose of stoping Fei Wong Reed

[Xellos-_^]

Yeah in fact there was a book released called "SOEL and LARG: The Adventures of Mokona＝Modok" that explain the origins of the mokonas. Yuuko and Clow met the original mokona from Magic Knight Rayearth who was traveling through dimensions and after the original makona told them about alternate dimensions and make the 2 mokonas based off the original for the purpose of stoping Fei Wong Reed

i just had a sudden vision of God-Mokona suddenly appearing and swallows Fei Wong to end the series :uhoh:

[solarknight123]

i just had a sudden vision of God-Mokona suddenly appearing and swallows Fei Wong to end the series :uhoh:

I will so laugh if that happens lol :heh:

[yezhanquan]

personally i prefer their works like RG Vega, X/1999 and Tokyo Babylon. Those were much more edgier then their current stuff.

These earlier works form part of the grand puzzle that CLAMP is presenting to their fans. The dames know that there are many "old" fans, along with the newer gen who liked CCS and the works after it. Tsubasa and holics have something for everybody.

The day the puzzle is complete is the day the dames retire, and subsequent generations of manga readers may look at the puzzle, and marvel at its grandeur .

[NickelXenon]

I also liked Tokyo Babylon, but I like dark works.

[yezhanquan]

With Tsubasa, CLAMP mixes darkness and light. Neither is entirely out of the picture at any time.

[solarknight123]

With Tsubasa, CLAMP mixes darkness and light. Neither is entirely out of the picture at any time.

Yeah Tsubasa seems to have a nice mixture of this.

[KimmyChan]

It does indeed, which is what always makes for compelling reading :)

[yezhanquan]

As KimmyChan's sig reminds me, if anyone thinks that CLAMP has "twisted" or "bloody" works (X1999, perhaps?), hand them any work by Yuki Kaori, and watch their faces turn white.

[Kafriel]

Well I don't mind the bloody parts, but eye-munching is just too weird for my tastes:P

[yezhanquan]

Aye. Still, with holics, Fukuyama Jun would probably be known as the seiyu with "eye" problems. At least three of his characters are like that.

[KimmyChan]

One thing I really love about Tsubasa's artwork is that it's so sweepingly detailed :)

[Xellos-_^]

With Tsubasa, CLAMP mixes darkness and light. Neither is entirely out of the picture at any time.

personally i don't think Tsubasa was that "dark." It was mostly light with a few dark moments.

As KimmyChan's sig reminds me, if anyone thinks that CLAMP has "twisted" or "bloody" works (X1999, perhaps?), hand them any work by Yuki Kaori, and watch their faces turn white.
Try RG Veda, someone dies almost every chapter, some by really gruesome ways.

RG Veda is Clamps earliest work and imo still their best work.

[Shirubia_Lamperouge]

I'm reading RG Veda, and so far it's interesting but it seems a little cliched at times. Also, I don't like the idea that destiny is set in stone, and that there's nothing that can be done to change it. It sort of... Blinkers the story, I guess. It means there's only one avenue it can go down. Then again, I haven't finished so it may yet surprise me.

Also, I haven't noticed the gore being THAT bad. The worst I've seen by CLAMP is in X/1999.

[finalnight]

Yay for finally getting some exposition this chapter.

[Haruyasha]

Not to be rude or anything, but these latent chapters are some of the worst work I had ever seen by CLAMP.

A bunch of squiggly lines cluttered in utter chaos over all of the pages with no meaning whatsoever. This goes beyond failing Storywriting 101... it's absolute garbage.

For example, let's take this page (http://i44.tinypic.com/2rzflfo.jpg). What is the purpose of the picture in this page? It offers 0 comprehensible material other than a bunch of toner splashed over a page with zigzag lines.

I really hope Tsubasa can stop with the crap and start the real story again, because so far I've been completely lost for the past 5 chapters or so.


Sorry if I seem agitated. I like the series but.. having endless action scenes like this killing it for me.

[Miles Teg]

For example, let's take this page (http://i44.tinypic.com/2rzflfo.jpg). What is the purpose of the picture in this page? It offers 0 comprehensible material other than a bunch of toner splashed over a page with zigzag lines.

The response was on the next chapter, first by Mokona and after that by Fay (the different piece of "memories" coming back together).


Sorry if I seem agitated. I like the series but.. having endless action scenes like this killing it for me.

Then good for you that this is a Shonen manga done by Clamp else you would probably have dropped the series long ago :D

[KimmyChan]

Despite the fact that Tsubasa is classed as a Shonen manga (which isn't what I usually like to read anyway) this hasn't put me off reading it whatsoever and never has done :)

[yezhanquan]

The dames are not really well known for their action scenes. They are known for their writing, costumes, character designs, Ho/Les Yay and Eye Screams.

[KimmyChan]

That they aren't, but that's what I like about them the most & is a nice change :)

[solarknight123]

Even thought Clamp always makes series that are technically classified into one type of manga, it can still be enjoyed by a wide range of audience. For instance, even thought x/1999 is classified as shojo, and has designs of a typical one, it's plot can appeal to much more than simply girls. It's one of the darkest shojo manga i've ever seen lol.

[KimmyChan]

That is very true indeed, even more darker than that of our beloved Tsubasa in fact :)

[solarknight123]

That is very true indeed, even more darker than that of our beloved Tsubasa in fact :)

So true, especially with all it's gory parts lol.

[Xellos-_^]

That is very true indeed, even more darker than that of our beloved Tsubasa in fact :)
what make you guys say Tsubasa is dark? I have never consider it a "dark" type series.

[Arabesque]

Even thought Clamp always makes series that are technically classified into one type of manga, it can still be enjoyed by a wide range of audience. For instance, even thought x/1999 is classified as shojo, and has designs of a typical one, it's plot can appeal to much more than simply girls. It's one of the darkest shojo manga i've ever seen lol.
That is the thing with demographics. They have a specific audience, but can still appeal to other ones as well. Majority of works nowadays do tend to do so.
what make you guys say Tsubasa is dark? I have never consider it a "dark" type series.
It does have its moments where it is ''dark'', but as a whole, Tsubasa was always on the bright side of things where the characters always reassure us that everything would turn out fine (even in the most absurd manner at times).

[yezhanquan]

Even thought Clamp always makes series that are technically classified into one type of manga, it can still be enjoyed by a wide range of audience. For instance, even thought x/1999 is classified as shojo, and has designs of a typical one, it's plot can appeal to much more than simply girls. It's one of the darkest shojo manga i've ever seen lol.

I think it's shojo in art style only. Kinda reminds me of works by Yuki Kaori.

[solarknight123]

I think it's shojo in art style only. Kinda reminds me of works by Yuki Kaori.

Yeah that's about the only aspect of shojo it actually has lol.:heh:

[Haruyasha]

Then good for you that this is a Shonen manga done by Clamp else you would probably have dropped the series long ago :D

Well, in other shonen mangas I read, the action scenes are understandable. :)

[Kafriel]

what make you guys say Tsubasa is dark? I have never consider it a "dark" type series.

I'll admit, it was very standard at first, but after reading the chess world, Tokyo tower and Celes, the characters are thrown in a sea of despair, each for their own reasons, and the originally happy team became separated in many ways. From that point on it's been dark-ey :P

[lovelysan]

Well, in other shonen mangas I read, the action scenes are understandable. :)

Limed for truth. I'm overjoyed that Cloney is back, but the last few chapters have just been a visual (and story) mess.

[Kikuchi]

I've been catching up on xxxHolic's japanese publication and there something that tells me that real Shaolan parents are DEFINITELY the Lis.

Mokona comments how Watanuki's cooking is similar to his father. Wasn't CCS' Shaolan a good cook ? Yûko also mentions it's similar to a more distant relative's, aka Clow.

[Anh_Minh]

Could be all the Syaoran across all dimensions are good cooks.

[Kikuchi]

My point wasn't really about Shaolan being a good cook, but about this Shaolan's ancestor being Clow.

[Xellos-_^]

My point wasn't really about Shaolan being a good cook, but about this Shaolan's ancestor being Clow.

in CCS syaoran's ancestor wasn't Clow but was a relative of Clow. As for as the CCS world was concern, neither Sakura or Syaoran were form his direct descent.

[Kikuchi]

...which is exactly what I said in my spoiler ?

[KimmyChan]

This series was a real first for me when I started reading it thats for sure :)

It's whole look, style and storyline is not one I'd usually pick up, but am really glad that I did :)

[Shirubia_Lamperouge]

Random change of subject... Meh.

Tsubasa actually is my favourite type of story, and manga. It's fantasy, which is always a plus, it's got brilliant art and costumes, it's intelligent, it's not like most of the... well, shonen manga which I WOULD like if they weren't so inspirationally one-dimensional (what I've read anyway. Like naruto. I don't see the point in reading any more of it if it only gets better half way through it's 400 chapters. I've got better things to do than read 200 stupid ones), but it still has really awesome fight scenes and like zero gore.

With most stuff I don't really like to stick to a single genre, and manga is no exception, but I still have preferences, and tsubasa basically ticks every box.

[yezhanquan]

Well, for series like Naruto and Bleach, you don't really have to read every chapter. Browse through the pages, and see if the art/snippets of dialogue interest you. If it doesn't, chances are it's not very important.

As for Tsubasa, the old dames are excellent with their story telling. The only reason why I don't buy their works is that I'm not willing to pay to buy their whole canon just to enjoy one story. Thankfully, in the case of Chobits, the Angelic Layer parts don't affect the story much.

[Kafriel]

I like manga with a good plot and amazing characters, no matter how much the same theme has been used before, if I see a good execution of it, I'll be happy to take a look.TRC and holic have a unique story that, although one could say has been used before (travelling through worlds etc can even go back to doraemon), the way it is done and the effect of every action the characters take make me want to read it again at least once. Now THAT, is what I call a good manga :P

[KimmyChan]

I actually prefer Tsubasa to the likes of Naruto and Bleach anyday...It really captures me :)

[NickelXenon]

Is there a soundtrack to Tokyo Revelations? I want the song that plays when R! Syaoran wakes up in the first OVA.

[KimmyChan]

Is there a soundtrack to Tokyo Revelations? I want the song that plays when R! Syaoran wakes up in the first OVA.

That is going slightly off-topic, as this thread is about the Tsubasa manga matey, no the anime :)

Just though I'd point that out to you in a friendly manner :)

[Tech-Guy]

mm anyidea when the new chapter will be published?

[Miles Teg]

mm anyidea when the new chapter will be published?

Issue 24, so this week, Wednesday to be more precise.

[Tech-Guy]

Issue 24, so this week, Wednesday to be more precise.

great, thanks. :)

[KimmyChan]

I still can't get my hands on Volume 21 of the Del Rey manga at the minute, as it's always out of stock, BOOOOOO!!! :(

[Eleutheria]

220 is out, but the dialogue is confusing.


Something about Clow almost committing a taboo with the witch (raising her from the dead?) but just wishing for her to open her eyes once more. But such was his power that it effectively stopped the witch's time.

Clone Syaoran was never born, was made, and has the chance to be reborn.

People paying other people's prices...



All in all, it's too much trouble to figure out, and I'll wait for more enlightened minds to tell me what's going on.

[Kafriel]

From what I gather, instead of raising her back from the dead he gave her borrowed time (kinda like what had happened in the anime at that one episode with the tower and the wish), and chained borrowed time with time freeze, effectively preventing her death. So, since she didn't die, another bunch of things never happened...or something....
>.>
<.<
right????

[Miles Teg]

Yuuko time has been "frozen" just before her death because of a simple though that has cross Clow mind. The situation they are right now is because of that mistake done by Clow and the fact that Fey Wong wants to realize Clow wish :heh:

Clow going to Clow Country to become the father of Clone!Sakura can probably be linked to Clow mysterious death in CCS. In CCS he has changed Kero/Yue memory before disappearing so instead of dying he has changed world. Because is power was too great he wasn't able to control it so his reason to cut his power in two has become way more important than simply not being able to see the future.

Both clone can be born again because they are created being and the price for that is the remaining life and magic power of Clow + the time Yuuko has passed granting wish in the shop.

[yezhanquan]

While Yuuko said that she wasn't brought back from the dead (which I believe), it is very likely that she was at her deathbed, since she had her eyes closed. So, before she drew her last breath, Clow stopped her condition from getting worse. Talked about living on borrowed time.

CLAMP loved their word games. So, it's a taboo to bring the dead back to life, but ok to "suspend" the time of someone who is near death. Nice one.

[Kafriel]

Because they're not dead YET! :heh:

[Anh_Minh]

Wait. Fei Wong wants to resurrect Yuuko? Against her will?

[Kafriel]

I THINK that it's the wish of Clow whose blood flows in Fei Wong...can't tell for sure till I read the chapter though.

[kayote]

Yuuko is the face of Bo from Doctor Who. in a sense. she can't die. if time is frozen for her than that is kind of like the face of Bo.

[yezhanquan]

Thus, when she unfroze her time, she'll most probably die.

Still, makes you wonder why she didn't unfreeze it sooner rather than later.

Wait. Fei Wong wants to resurrect Yuuko? Against her will?

I believe the correct term is "removing the condition which would cause her death". Remember: She may be at death's door, but she hasn't entered it yet.

[Flyvedelta]

Damn, another plot twist. . .
They sure gave us some twist lately . .;_; wonder if my head can keep up :(
Looking at page 12. . so it has a connection with CCS after all #_# What about Sakura ? #_# ugh, my head. .

[kk2extreme]

i knew it, shaoran could very well be his own father, some conclusion after 220. im confused, but w/e, just go along with w/e clamp throught at us :heh:

[KimmyChan]

I'd really hate it if Yuko ever did die, as she's one of my favourite Tsubasa characters :(

[Eleutheria]

It's official with xxxholic 181... CLAMP finally decided to spell it out.

With the trick of 5 characters on a black background to squeeze maximum profit with minimum effort out of a page -_-


I'd really hate it if Yuko ever did die, as she's one of my favourite Tsubasa characters


Well,

She already died before the series began, per xxxholic 181.

[yezhanquan]

Correction: She was near death, and WOULD have died, if not for the thoughts of someone we know.

[KimmyChan]

Looks like I'm in for a really good ride as far as the whole Yuko storyline is concerned :D

[Eleutheria]

Correction: She was near death, and WOULD have dead, if not for the thoughts of someone we know.

Chapter 181, Page 14 - "あたしは　貴方が産まれる前に　死んでいるの”

I think that's pretty clear - "I was dead before you were born"

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Tsubasa Chapter 221 is out.

Gist of the chapter:

Clone Sakura and Shaoran are given the choice - they confess to each other and are reborn(?), knowing that they will meet again.

Some stuff about the past and future having no meaning - it's all "now" since Wong destroyed continuity. So maybe they'll be reborn as Real Sakura/Shaoran? My head hurts :heh:

[Flyvedelta]

^
Now it's getting more confusing. Hope the scan come out quick so that at least I can understand the story. . a little :(

[FruitsPunchSamurai]

Chapter 181, Page 14 - "あたしは　貴方が産まれる前に　死んでいるの”

I think that's pretty clear - "I was dead before you were born"

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Tsubasa Chapter 221 is out.

Gist of the chapter:

Clone Sakura and Shaoran are given the choice - they confess to each other and are reborn(?), knowing that they will meet again.

Some stuff about the past and future having no meaning - it's all "now" since Wong destroyed continuity. So maybe they'll be reborn as Real Sakura/Shaoran? My head hurts :heh:
So what happened to the real Shaoran is he and his dad still fighting Wong?

[Miles Teg]

So what happened to the real Shaoran is he and his dad still fighting Wong?

Yes, they are still fighting.

[Eleutheria]

Yeah, it's the old manga trick of "As an aside..." while time freezes for the other scenes :P

[KimmyChan]

Yes, they are still fighting.

That doesn't surprise me to say the least, had a feeling they'd prolong this a bit more :)

[Megacrash Gr]

Yey for the confession in this chapter XD Yuko q~p*sniff*.....good chapter overall.

[kk2extreme]

Tsubasa Chapter 221 is out.

Gist of the chapter:

Clone Sakura and Shaoran are given the choice - they confess to each other and are reborn(?), knowing that they will meet again.

Some stuff about the past and future having no meaning - it's all "now" since Wong destroyed continuity. So maybe they'll be reborn as Real Sakura/Shaoran? My head hurts :heh:

So does that mean the real sakura and shaoran was the clones in their past life, and gives birth to shaoran jr. and somewhere along the line they got clone along the timeline, repeat in a loop.

I dont even know what am i talking about anymore :heh:

[Kafriel]

^ you're right...you don't know what you're talking about :heh::heh::heh:
from what I could tell... the way things are now the clones will be simultaneously reborn in another dimension but their fate will be to meet their real counterparts sometime in their life, so there will always be 2+ of each :P

[FruitsPunchSamurai]

^ you're right...you don't know what you're talking about :heh::heh::heh:
from what I could tell... the way things are now the clones will be simultaneously reborn in another dimension but their fate will be to meet their real counterparts sometime in their life, so there will always be 2+ of each :P
Or maybe the Clones are Shaoran's parents who are actually helping them fight Wong right now? AHHHHHHH!

[Miles Teg]

Or maybe the Clones are Shaoran's parents who are actually helping them fight Wong right now? AHHHHHHH!


I think the same thing, that would explain why father!Sharon was able to use Clow magic in chapter 219, if mother!Sakura is able to use Yuko magic then that will seal the deal :D (or if Mother/Father explain that they are the clones reborn :heh: ).

Starting from chapter 219 -> father!Shaolan use Clow magic power, Yuko say that he can use it because Clow has given it to him, next panel we go into the dream world where the clones need to make a choice, they choose to be reborn, c!Shaolan by clow power, c!Sakura by Yuko power. The clone will be reborn in the same world with their memories and we learn that past and future has no meaning because of Fey Wong.

Now what I think has happened after that, c!Sakura is reborn, c!Shaolan also, they meet, they marry (everything is easier when you have fallen in love before being born :D). After r!Shaoran is born, c!Sakura has a dream both clone realized that they are the mother and father of r!Shaolan and that they have been reborn in the past. They prepare r!Shaolan for what has to come and send him to Yuko and after that they make their own preparation by sealing themselves in the glass tube.

[Tech-Guy]

I think the same thing, that would explain why father!Sharon was able to use Clow magic in chapter 219, if mother!Sakura is able to use Yuko magic then that will seal the deal :D (or if Mother/Father explain that they are the clones reborn :heh: ).

Starting from chapter 219 -> father!Shaolan use Clow magic power, Yuko say that he can use it because Clow has given it to him, next panel we go into the dream world where the clones need to make a choice, they choose to be reborn, c!Shaolan by clow power, c!Sakura by Yuko power. The clone will be reborn in the same world with their memories and we learn that past and future has no meaning because of Fey Wong.

Now what I think has happened after that, c!Sakura is reborn, c!Shaolan also, they meet, they marry (everything is easier when you have fallen in love before being born :D). After r!Shaoran is born, c!Sakura has a dream both clone realized that they are the mother and father of r!Shaolan and that they have been reborn in the past. They prepare r!Shaolan for what has to come and send him to Yuko and after that they make their own preparation by sealing themselves in the glass tube.

yeah i was thinking about the same thing but the only thing that still off is momsakura. its ccs and thats off ne? i know she says that some1 that is same as her but in another dimmenstion gave her the star key. (and everyone says that mom sakura now is not ccs) but remember that shes suppose to pay something of value for her for a wish, and if she received the key from another person it wont be importantt ne? and the one she received might be after she paid yuko, anyways now back to topic that still doesnt explain ccs symbol in momsakura.
(i bet u got confused ne? lol)

[kk2extreme]

time and space always confuses me, wonder how the next one gonna confuse me even more

[Kafriel]

Hmm..."your father is actually your clone who travelled back in time". Brb, incoming stroke :heh:
just a small note, afaik power in this universe goes by sun/moon/star, not by person, so maybe they just happen to have the same attribute...but then again, this IS CLAMP we're talking about.

[yezhanquan]

I think the old dames would explain nicely once the fireworks are done.

[Miles Teg]

just a small note, afaik power in this universe goes by sun/moon/star, not by person, so maybe they just happen to have the same attribute...but then again, this IS CLAMP we're talking about.

Sakura at the beginning of CCS was using Clow power, she has starting using her own power only when her magic circle has replaced Clow one.

Clow/Eriol : Sun/Moon

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2343/mi11.jpg (http://img42.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mi11.jpg)

(all the) Sakura : Star/Sun/Moon

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/2442/mi35.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mi35.jpg)

Shaolan : Ying and Yang (:confused:)

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/1188/shot0027c.th.jpg (http://img32.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot0027c.jpg)

Yuko : Strange symbol :heh:

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/6729/shot0012n.th.jpg (http://img33.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shot0012n.jpg)

From the opening of TRC : Tokyo Revelation Fey Wang is Moon/Moon.

[Kafriel]

So much for power definition in TRC :heh:

[Flyvedelta]

Yuko's magic circle really does remind me Saigyou Ayasaki danmaku #_#

[KimmyChan]

time and space always confuses me, wonder how the next one gonna confuse me even more

It confuses me at the best of times aswell, thank goodness for Yuko's explinations :D

[Lostdreams]

ehhhh... I read this every week, and after many I think years of reading this I'm lost!!! Anybody feel the same way? I think I've been lost since I found that the Syaoran and Sakura from the beginning were clones. Anyways, I don't get what happened to Fei Wong. They were fighting him, they were transported somewhere with Yuko, and now they're moving to another dimension?

[KimmyChan]

What amazes me even more is the fact that this series has only been rated a Teen (13+) :p

I mean, I'm 26 and even I find it pretty puzzling myself at times :p

[Kafriel]

This should be 90+, only experienced philosophers can fully appreciate its value...
While they were fighting Fei Wong, the magic blasted them and opened a dimension hole, the Syaorans and Sakuras got transported inside another world (with help from the shop), where they made a choice and paid a price and altered the course of history, thus completing Yuko's role and letting her time move again. Or something along these lines.

[Miles Teg]

While they were fighting Fei Wong, the magic blasted them and opened a dimension hole, the Syaorans and Sakuras got transported inside another world (with help from the shop), where they made a choice and paid a price and altered the course of history, thus completing Yuko's role and letting her time move again. Or something along these lines.

Not really :heh: Yuko was on the dream world with the clones who have "died" before. The real and parents Sakura/Shaolan are still fighting Fey Wang in the real world.

It's Fey Wang who has destroyed the continuity of past/present/futur.

Yuko price for clone!Sakura to be reborn was the time she has passed helping people, and Clow price, for clone!Shaolan, was his magical power and the rest of his life. and after Yuko has paid her price then her time has started to move again and she is now dying.

[KimmyChan]

This should be 90+, only experienced philosophers can fully appreciate its value...

Good point! Very good point! But hey, we can still try all the same! :)

[Tech-Guy]

does any one know when its the new chapter of xxxholic and tsubasa coming out?

[KimmyChan]

does any one know when its the new chapter of xxxholic and tsubasa coming out?

The latest Tsubasa chapter is 221 which was released on May 22nd so chapter 222 should be coming out pretty soon I should think :)

[Miles Teg]

For TRC : Shônen Magazine issue 28 (06/10)
For xxxHolic : Weekly Young Magazine issue 31 (06/29)

[KimmyChan]

For TRC : Shônen Magazine issue 28 (06/10)
For xxxHolic : Weekly Young Magazine issue 31 (06/29)

It's a shame I can't get my hands on either of those magazines, let alone in English :(

[Candice]

Jeez. I love this Manga o_O.. ♥♥

[KimmyChan]

Jeez. I love this Manga o_O.. ♥♥

I hear ya girl ;) I am totally hearing ya right now, me too! :D

[Tech-Guy]

well it looks like the new chapter will have
the magic knight girls in it and sakura will study with them cause it looks like she's weaing a uniform of their school

[Miles Teg]

well it looks like the new chapter will have
the magic knight girls in it and sakura will study with them cause it looks like she's weaing a uniform of their school


clone!Sakura is real!Shaoran mother, and clone!Sakura is not CCS!Sakura.
Clone!Sakura is not wearing Tomoeda school uniform. The uniform design is familiar but I am not able to find where I have seen it.
If it's the same dimension as the one from Magic Knight Rayearth then Hikaru, Umi and Fuu have decided to go the same High school :D

[Xellos-_^]

well it looks like the new chapter will have
the magic knight girls in it and sakura will study with them cause it looks like she's weaing a uniform of their school


clone!Sakura is real!Shaoran mother, and clone!Sakura is not CCS!Sakura.
Clone!Sakura is not wearing Tomoeda school uniform. The uniform design is familiar but I am not able to find where I have seen it.
If it's the same dimension as the one from Magic Knight Rayearth then Hikaru, Umi and Fuu have decided to go the same High school :D



this is giving me hope that God-Mokona will show up and swallow Fei-Wong and skip happliy away :heh:

[ZeroForever]

to many xanatos gambits... seriously can anyone explain in detail the order which all these plots were designed and occurred. I mean i understand the general concepts of what occurred but there are definitly things that still escape me.

I mean i like this series but as noted trying to figure it out from just hints/imagery is painful, specially when you either haven't read all the series in question or read them a while ago and don't remember the details.

[Xellos-_^]

to many xanatos gambits... seriously can anyone explain in detail the order which all these plots were designed and occurred. I mean i understand the general concepts of what occurred but there are definitly things that still escape me.

I mean i like this series but as noted trying to figure it out from just hints/imagery is painful, specially when you either haven't read all the series in question or read them a while ago and don't remember the details.

just re-read them again and take notes this time.

[Miles Teg]

Still a work in progress :D


Yuko dies.
Clow don't think before speaking, Yuko is put into a stasis.
Fey Wong think it's funny and want to do better by fully reviving Yuko.
Yuko is not pleased, Clow idem, they start to work to stop Fey Wong.

r!Sharon is born

m!Sakura receive the star wand from CCS!Sakura
m!Sakura give the star wand to Yuko

r!Shaoran parents send him to Yuko

r!Shaoran is sent to Clow country (the price the star wand). Here he meet r!Sakura.
r!Sakura receive the seal of death, r!Shaolan is sent back to his dimension.
r!Shaolan go back to Clow country, the price is to never see again his parents.

r!Shaolan try to find a way to remove the seal of death, r!Sakura mother is able to see the mark, her father know about it.
The mark of death is activated, r!Shaolan wish to go back in time.
Yuko grant the wish, the price is the time r!Shaolan will be with Fei Wong unable to move.
Watanuki is created to take the place of r!Shaolan.
Fei Wong clone r!Shaolan body, r!Shaolan give a temporary heart to c!Shaolan.
Fei Wong clone r!Sakura body and soul, Yuko steal r!Sakura body.
In the "new" past, r!Sakura mother is dead, her father become c!Shaolan stepfather and he is replaced by Clow (coming from another dimension).
Both clone take the place of their real counterpart in the new past.

Start of TRC...

Tokyo Revelation
r!Shaolan is free, c!Shaolan heart disappear he stole half of Fay magic power.
Chess tournament
c!Sakura decide to separate her soul and her body, her soul is sent to the dream world, her body to Celes.
Nihon country
c!Shaolan kill c!Sakura soul, c!Sakura body is stolen and given to Fei Wong.
Clow Country (time is frozen just before the seal of death is put on r!Sakura)
c!Shaolan is killed by Fei Wong.
r!Sakura soul and c!Sakura body merge.
m!Sakura and f!Shaolan appears.
In the dream world.
c!Shaolan and c!Sakura (c!Sakura soul + r!Sakura body) decide to be reborn.

[Tech-Guy]

Still a work in progress :D


Yuko dies.
Clow don't think before speaking, Yuko is put into a stasis.
Fey Wong think it's funny and want to do better by fully reviving Yuko.
Yuko is not pleased, Clow idem, they start to work to stop Fey Wong.

r!Sharon is born

m!Sakura receive the star wand from CCS!Sakura
m!Sakura give the star wand to Yuko

r!Shaoran parents send him to Yuko

r!Shaoran is sent to Clow country (the price the star wand). Here he meet r!Sakura.
r!Sakura receive the seal of death, r!Shaolan is sent back to his dimension.
r!Shaolan go back to Clow country, the price is to never see again his parents.

r!Shaolan try to find a way to remove the seal of death, r!Sakura mother is able to see the mark, her father know about it.
The mark of death is activated, r!Shaolan wish to go back in time.
Yuko grant the wish, the price is the time r!Shaolan will be with Fei Wong unable to move.
Watanuki is created to take the place of r!Shaolan.
Fei Wong clone r!Shaolan body, r!Shaolan give a temporary heart to c!Shaolan.
Fei Wong clone r!Sakura body and soul, Yuko steal r!Sakura body.
In the "new" past, r!Sakura mother is dead, her father become c!Shaolan stepfather and he is replaced by Clow (coming from another dimension).
Both clone take the place of their real counterpart in the new past.

Start of TRC...

Tokyo Revelation
r!Shaolan is free, c!Shaolan heart disappear he stole half of Fay magic power.
Chess tournament
c!Sakura decide to separate her soul and her body, her soul is sent to the dream world, her body to Celes.
Nihon country
c!Shaolan kill c!Sakura soul, c!Sakura body is stolen and given to Fei Wong.
Clow Country (time is frozen just before the seal of death is put on r!Sakura)
c!Shaolan is killed by Fei Wong.
r!Sakura soul and c!Sakura body merge.
m!Sakura and f!Shaolan appears.
In the dream world.
c!Shaolan and c!Sakura (c!Sakura soul + r!Sakura body) decide to be reborn.

i gotta say u did a good job in this :D
now i though the same way u did now that i was rereading some parts it in this manga
it says that sakura was cloned when fei wong tried to capture sakura in the star of the series when c!syaoran was living etc. so that means that all the memories that c!syaoran has with sakura when they are kids is r!sakura ne? if im wrong can some1 explain it to me. i wish i havent re- read it xD

oh yeah btw raw is out

[Kazu-kun]

i gotta say u did a good job in this :D
now i though the same way u did now that i was rereading some parts it in this manga
it says that sakura was cloned when fei wong tried to capture sakura in the star of the series when c!syaoran was living etc. so that means that all the memories that c!syaoran has with sakura when they are kids is r!sakura ne? if im wrong can some1 explain it to me. i wish i havent re- read it xD
Oh, yeah, I remember that. It means either a mistranslation, a plot mistake by clamp, or that Sakura was cloned not once but twice.

What chapter was it, btw?? I like to read it again to see if I missed something.

[ZeroForever]

Nice Miles, though i think you typed one part near the end wrong
'm!Sakura and f!Shaolan'
unless they genderswapped... then again it is clamp so i wouldn't put it beyond them just to screw with our heads some more.

[Miles Teg]

it's mother/father not male/female :heh: I should have explained this before :D

It's little Sakura that has been cloned, IMHO Sakura has been cloned when the time has been re-winded to before the seal has been engraved so before little!real!Shaolan has taken the hand of little!real!Sakura :heh: But it's sure it's little Sakura that has been cloned.

[FruitsPunchSamurai]

it's mother/father not male/female :heh: I should have explained this before :D

It's little Sakura that has been cloned, IMHO Sakura has been cloned when the time has been re-winded to before the seal has been engraved so before little!real!Shaolan has taken the hand of little!real!Sakura :heh: But it's sure it's little Sakura that has been cloned.
clones! Clones!! CLONES!!! :frustrated:

[ellifeedn]

Where's a cosmic maintenance man when you need him?

[Tech-Guy]

Oh, yeah, I remember that. It means either a mistranslation, a plot mistake by clamp, or that Sakura was cloned not once but twice.

What chapter was it, btw?? I like to read it again to see if I missed something.

i think its chapter 178 page 14.
and yeah cause it doesnt make sense if its like that u know. because that would of mean that hes in love with both sakura ne?

[Divini]

Based on the latest chapter, if I understand this correctly r!Syaoran's father is a clone of himself, while his mother is a clone of his own original destined Sakura... and because both c!Sakura and r!Sakura essentially switched bodies, and because in TRC, "the body is as important as the mind", the r!Sakura that r!Syaoran swore to protect is also essentially at least half a copy of the clone, which is his own mother!

In addition, this means the sword and techniques r!Syaoran's father taught him were his to begin with...? Also, the only way r!Syaoran exists is because c!Syaoran exists to give birth to him... even though the only way c!Syaoran can exist is to have r!Syaoran exist to be clone off of in the first place!

.... ok even with the existence of different dimensions and stable time loops, I'm really having trouble comprehending this.

[Proto]

You know, I don't know if I should feel cheated by the latest chapter since I feel they just decided to skip some chapters and jump to the clone's happy ending or if it was the most logical conclusion. Or maybe I should just squeel at the Magic Knight Rayearth cameo.

...

In any case we still have to see how the 30 Xanatos pileup will resolve itself. I mean, I don't really buy Divin's self-creating universe POV, so I think we stil lhave to see the R!Ending, the parents ending, the CCS!Random cameo ending, vampires ending, vampire hunters ending, Kurogane ending, Fai ending, Mokona ending, and the resolution of what happened to Tokyo ending.

Oh, and Watanuki, but he got his own series. Along with the black Mokona ending.

[BlueDo]

I'm trying not to make sense of the enigma right now...
So, does chapter 222 mark the end?

[Divini]

The end? With that near apocalyptic battle going on in Clow Country that could decide the fate of dimensions as they know it? :twitch:

Also,

Well that was a much faster than expected reunion but.... so touching <3

[solarknight123]

Finally the latest chapter came out and I must say
I so happy that Hikaru, Umi, and Fuu from Magic Knight Rayearth made their appearances. Also glad to see that the clones get to live happy lives.

[finalnight]

Chapter 222: What the hell is going on?!? I really hope this was just the end to the story of the clones.

[yezhanquan]

Wait: Since Hong Kong is mentioned, does it mean that Magic Knight Rayearth and CCS happened in the same dimension? Then, the rebirth of the clones... what do they represent?

I sure hope it's not the My Own Grampa trope.

[solarknight123]

Wait: Since Hong Kong is mentioned, does it mean that Magic Knight Rayearth and CCS happened in the same dimension? Then, the rebirth of the clones... what do they represent?

No it's just simply the clones were reincarnated and are living their new peaceful lives and have finally met each other in Hong Kong. The girls there with Sakura weren't the same ones from MKR, like most of the clamp characters in Tsubasa they were just alternate versions.

[yezhanquan]

I mean: the Hong Kong mentioned in the chapter: Does it refer to the Hong Kong of CCS, or another dimension?

[Miles Teg]

It's the Hong Kong from another dimension, else you will be able to find two different Sakura in Tokyo :heh:

This chapter was the first meeting of Shaolan and Sakura. In CCS they would have meet each other nearly 8 years ago and in CCS (starting in junior high) Shaolan is living in Tokyo with Sakura.

[Eleutheria]

Must be another dimension, I've lived in Hong Kong for more than a decade, and there're no Sakura trees anywhere you can see the skyline.

[Proto]

The girls there with Sakura weren't the same ones from MKR, like most of the clamp characters in Tsubasa they were just alternate versions.


Indeed, Hikaru, Umi and Fuu weren't even in the same school.

[Serous]

I think my brain got fried trying to comprehend everything that happened so far.

[KimmyChan]

I think my brain got fried trying to comprehend everything that happened so far.

Lol! Completely understandable that! It does with mine too at times! :D

[Lostdreams]

so ummmm., the manga's over soon?

[Xellos-_^]

Indeed, Hikaru, Umi and Fuu weren't even in the same school.

they were in the OAV and their school uniform were similar to the OAV ver as well.

[Proto]

Hmm... forgot about that one. Thanks for the reminder. Damn CLANNAD and their multiverses.

[yezhanquan]

You mean CLAMP, although CLANNAD can be seen as having a few dimensions of tis own.

[Miles Teg]

Hmm... forgot about that one. Thanks for the reminder. Damn CLANNAD and their multiverses.

CLAMP not Clannad ;)

The Magic Knigh Rayeart were in different Junior High (manga), going to the same High School was possible (I have never see the OAV only read the manga).

[KimmyChan]

so ummmm., the manga's over soon?

I was also wondering if it's on the verge of completion very soon myself :rolleyes:

[Miles Teg]

TRC and xxxHolic should finish this year, Clamp has announce that some times ago.

[Proto]

CLAMP not Clannad

Sorry, I just returned from the multiverse where they switched names.


aka sorry for the mental hiccup

[Xellos-_^]

CLAMP not Clannad ;)

The Magic Knigh Rayeart were in different Junior High (manga), going to the same High School was possible (I have never see the OAV only read the manga).

see if you can find the OAV, it is a good take form the original MKR. if nothing else the artwork is pure eye candy. It was made in the late 90s but i would put it up against any series made in the last 10 yrs. Just some of the best artwork and animation i have ever seen.

[Proto]

Indeed, I can assert to that myself. The story is not bad either, for being a (very) abridged reincarnation/spin-off of the MKR series.

Sigh, I even watched that on public TV back when I was in my teens. back when the weekend morning broadcast was something anime time :heh:

Ahemm... in any case I wonder how all of this will fare when it is animated. With all the hiccups, change of animators, skip over arcs and whatnot that the animated series has seen I wonder how much people will remember of the past arcs when they (and if) reach this point in the manga

[solarknight123]

Indeed, I can assert to that myself. The story is not bad either, for being a (very) abridged reincarnation/spin-off of the MKR series.

Sigh, I even watched that on public TV back when I was in my teens. back when the weekend morning broadcast was something anime time :heh:

Ahemm... in any case I wonder how all of this will fare when it is animated. With all the hiccups, change of animators, skip over arcs and whatnot that the animated series has seen I wonder how much people will remember of the past arcs when they (and if) reach this point in the manga

Yeah, overall the MKR OVA was pretty good (dispite the somewhat confusing story line). As for the rest of Tsubasa being animated, i really hope it is with little to no changes from the manga. I especially hope that the infinty arc and the celes arcs are animated. I really can not understand why they felt the need to skip 2 arcs.

[Kazu-kun]

Must be another dimension, I've lived in Hong Kong for more than a decade, and there're no Sakura trees anywhere you can see the skyline.

With time and space all twisted, as stated by Yuko, I don't think anyone can say for sure that's another dimension. In fact, with things as they are now, I don't even think we can be sure of what "dimension" actually means.

Regardless, I'm glad to see the clones together at last.

[KimmyChan]

I've finally bought myself the next available volume (21) in the Del Ray manga book form to add to my collection :D

[Proto]

I really can not understand why they felt the need to skip 2 arcs.

The only reason I can imagine is because they wanted to simultaneously relase the xxxholic OVA as well, and since they interleaved...

[Kikuchi]

I think that something like Revelations/Shunraiki wouldn't be doable as a TV series.

Asking for the whole manga to be adaptated is basically asking for a TV series redux. And we all know how THAT ended up.

Anyway, I'm really glad that the clones had this kind of conclusion. I noticed that too many people (me included !) tend to forget that they were the first heroes of TRC. Like we unconciouslly ditched them for the real ones, forgetting all the time we spent with them.
They definitely deserved a nice ending.

[Tech-Guy]

IMO clones > than original ones.
first because they were the firs heroes and second because they did thing that the real ones couldn t do it in their time. etc

[kk2extreme]

can any say "AWWWWWW" ;)

[KimmyChan]

Volumes 22 and 23 will be coming out soon, can't wait for them! :D

[Miles Teg]

reincarnated!clone!Sakura and reincarnated!clone!Shaolan start living together and have a son who looks a lot like his father :heh: real!Shaolan is born and is the son of the reincarnated clones.

So in this chapter reincarnated!clone!Sakura and reincarnated!clone!Shaolan becomes mother!Sakura and father!Shaolan :D

Now remember chapter 170, Seichirou say that real!Shaolan his a lot like his father, and Seichirou is the one who has trained clone!Shaolan ;) 50 chapter ago we were "Seichirou has meet real!Shaolan father, good for him. Can't they put more important info :mad:" and now it's like "Clamp has been giving hint that the clones where the parents of real!Shaolan 50 chapters ago when we were thinking that their roles was finished :heh:"

And it looks more and more that TRC is the story of the clones.

[cyberdemon]

Why would RSyaoran's mother, if she is in fact the reincanated clone, have the clow staff to give up to let her son go to the other world if she isn't the CCS Sakura?

[kk2extreme]

so if the real shaoran and real sakura hooked up and have a kid look just like sakura :p, can i call incest :heh:

[Miles Teg]

Why would RSyaoran's mother, if she is in fact the reincanated clone, have the clow staff to give up to let her son go to the other world if she isn't the CCS Sakura?

Chapter 217 : mother!Sakura : "The one from another wolrd (CCS!Sakura), who is the same as me (mother!Sakura)"

In chapter 217 we see CCS!Sakura giving the star wand to mother!Sakura, because mother!Sakura will need it to pay the price for the trip of her son.

[kk2extreme]

CLAMP takes forbbiden relationship to a whole new level dimension :D

[Tech-Guy]

yeah but still its not explain how R!Syaoran gets the CCS!Syaoran sword. and M!sakura gets the star symbol from ccs.
a theory i read somewhere else...
R!Syaoran parents are CCS!Sakura and CCS!Syaoran. when R!Syaoran decided to reverse the time, and because all the mess up he did the clones took the place of the original parents while they went to the tube. and raise watanuki. and afterwards CCS and clones merge something like that.... im kinda tired now so ill post it later. xD

[Miles Teg]

The magic circle are not individually base, Shaolan is using the Li family magic circle. So another Sakura being able to use the magic circle of CCS!Sakura shouldn't be a problem (Sakura use a Reed family based magic circle with a different alignment than Clow Star/Sun/Moon instead of Moon/Sun).

The CCS!Shaolan sword is in fact a heirloom of the Li family, the true name of father!Shaolan is "Shaolan Li" so he is a member of the Li family, but a Li family from another dimension a dimension that look a lot like the one from CCS. The Li family from that other dimension is using the exact same type of magic so it's possible that they have created the same type of tool.

The Star wand is completely different because it has been created by THE Sakura who is the daughter of the man who posses half the soul of Clow Reed and THE Sakura who has more magic power than Clow.

From some Clamp interview, TRC should be 30 volume long (27 volume released in Japan).

EDIT : Raw is out

The reincarnated clone are real!Shaolan parents and it's them that have send Shaolan to Yuko.

[Tech-Guy]

The magic circle are not individually base, Shaolan is using the Li family magic circle. So another Sakura being able to use the magic circle of CCS!Sakura shouldn't be a problem (Sakura use a Reed family based magic circle with a different alignment than Clow Star/Sun/Moon instead of Moon/Sun).

The CCS!Shaolan sword is in fact a heirloom of the Li family, the true name of father!Shaolan is "Shaolan Li" so he is a member of the Li family, but a Li family from another dimension a dimension that look a lot like the one from CCS. The Li family from that other dimension is using the exact same type of magic so it's possible that they have created the same type of tool.

The Star wand is completely different because it has been created by THE Sakura who is the daughter of the man who posses half the soul of Clow Reed and THE Sakura who has more magic power than Clow.

From some Clamp interview, TRC should be 30 volume long (27 volume released in Japan).

EDIT : Raw is out

The reincarnated clone are real!Shaolan parents and it's them that have send Shaolan to Yuko.

the only thing i disagree with you here is sakura's only magic circle. even clow said that only she cna have this because she created because she gets her powers from the stars. unless M!sakura got that circle with the staff there has to be an explanation. but meh clamp knows what they are doing. xD

[Eleutheria]

223 spoiler discussion

So... Real-Shaoran and Real-Sakura get captured by Fei Wong. Clone-sakura and clone-shaoran are made, are dead, are reincarnated, and give birth to Real-Shaoran.

my head hurts?

[Flyvedelta]

the only thing i disagree with you here is sakura's only magic circle. even clow said that only she cna have this because she created because she gets her powers from the stars. unless M!sakura got that circle with the staff there has to be an explanation. but meh clamp knows what they are doing. xD
Remember the scene when there's a teen sakura saying things about her wand and the cards to a somehow mature sakura ? I think that might explain how they get Sakura magic. CCS! Sakura is out of the circle about TRC Sakuras' indentity, but she still had some connection because she gave her magic for some reasons and at a certain time.

That's my theory though.

And I think this chapter explain to us enough that R!Syaoran's father is the clone one :( .

Problem is, who is R!Sakura then ? Why did she looked the same ? Or is it just coincidence because of variety of the world ?

[Tech-Guy]

Remember the scene when there's a teen sakura saying things about her wand and the cards to a somehow mature sakura ? I think that might explain how they get Sakura magic. CCS! Sakura is out of the circle about TRC Sakuras' indentity, but she still had some connection because she gave her magic for some reasons and at a certain time.

That's my theory though.

And I think this chapter explain to us enough that R!Syaoran's father is the clone one :( .

Problem is, who is R!Sakura then ? Why did she looked the same ? Or is it just coincidence because of variety of the world ?


yeah thats what i meant when isaid when mother sakura got the staff from middle school sakura. that will be the only logical choice. *kinda like ccsakura got clow's magic with her old key remember?*
yeah some people say that i couldnt be logical for them being the parents. so let's see this is what i think
real syaron is the son of the clones that were reborn looking the same as how they were when they were clones. but if we think about it they wont have the same genes as when they were clones. they were born for real this time not cloned so that might make a little senses. and of course dadSyaoran could be clone out of the real syaron we saw but his son will be the real syaoran in another time. what do u guys think? or just ignore the second part of this it migh tconfused u. lol
:heh:

[kk2extreme]

next thing you know fei wong is actually watanuki :p

and yuko is actually recarnation of real TRC sakura :heh:

just a speculation

[Xellos-_^]

next thing you know fei wong is actually watanuki :p

just a speculation

i bought that up before. Fei Wong does look very determine in bring back Yuuko :uhoh:

[kk2extreme]

^and i brought up the possibility that shaoran being his own father way b4 this chp is out, :heh:

[Divini]

Well, that confirms the whole 'other self' thing that everyone probably guessed...

So if c!Syao is cloned form r!Syao, who was born from c!Syao, it forms sort of a stable time loop... but then how did it all begin? Surely one of them has to exist in the first place for it all to start. This reminds me of the chicken and the egg paradox.

[NickelXenon]

Spoiler for 223

Wow! So Syaoran is his own father... So his own clone is his father and the clone of his girlfriend is his mother...

[finalnight]

Ok, now i really have completely no idea what is going on. First time this series.

[solarknight123]

OH. MY. GOD. Even thought this is from Clamp, I can not believe this series manage to pull of the biggest time paradoxes ever! So The clone Shaoran and clone Sakura is actually the parents of the Real Shaoran and thus his father is a clone of him!?!?! :confused: Wow that blew my mind! Clamp, congratulations, just when i thought you couldn't possibly screw my mind over with anymore plot twist, ya just did! Lol.

[SilverHeimdall]

I half-expected it - after rereading chapters 204 (or somewhere close, after the time-frozen clow country) to 222, I began to wonder if they could (the clones) be his parents.

I dismissed the thought afterwards because well - they're the clones, so it'd just be weird.

Then comes Ch.223 ...and indeed it is weird! But well-thought anyway and perfect for the story.

[yezhanquan]

My Own Grampa. And I think I expected it in one of my earlier posts.

Regardless, is it possible to resolve this time loop and just let space-time flow properly?

[Miles Teg]

People should have watch Futurama :D They wouldn't be that "shocked" by this little time loop :D

The parents are rebuilding the flow of time, It's possible that the "error" that have occurred because of Fey Wong will be included in the rebuilding (else Watanuki will disappear).

[Kagekyuubi]

How is it that there are people who actually understand what's going on anymore? I stopped understanding after that real syaoran flashback arc.

[Tech-Guy]

its really easy to understand. imo, you just need to have an open midn which i have. and u just need to remember the hints they gave us. sometimes those hints have double meaning. etc.

[Lostdreams]

Lol, this chapter is hilarious. But also, that means they are in a never ending time loop. The little Syaoran will grow up to create a clone which will be his father. The clone will then give birth to his son who will ultimately create him.

[Kafriel]

^ They took another data break to prove you wrong in the next chapter :P

[Anh_Minh]

At least Syaoran isn't his own father. Count your blessings.

[yezhanquan]

Well, he comes close: his clone is his father.

[Sakuya]

So, um... Who's his father's father? :heh:

[NickelXenon]

At least Syaoran isn't his own father. Count your blessings.

Technically he *is* his own father. Since his clone is his father and C!Syaoran and R!Syaoran have the exact same DNA...

[Kazu-kun]

Technically he *is* his own father. Since his clone is his father and C!Syaoran and R!Syaoran have the exact same DNA...
But C!Syaoran was reborn into a new life, so he doesn't necessarily have the same DNA anymore.

[Anh_Minh]

You are not your own twin brother. Having the same DNA doesn't mean being the same person.

[KimmyChan]

Ok, now i really have completely no idea what is going on. First time this series.

Confusion can be an annoying thing, I can understand how you feel when it comes to this series :)

But we'll keep up with it as best we can :)

[NickelXenon]

You are not your own twin brother. Having the same DNA doesn't mean being the same person.

Twins are not 100% genetically the same. They also don't share fingerprints. But R!Syaoran and C!Syaoran share more than DNA, they share the same experiences. Since R!Syaoran was trapped and could only experiece what C!Syaoran did.

But C!Syaoran was reborn into a new life, so he doesn't necessarily have the same DNA anymore.

You know...R!Syaoran had to have existed before C!Syaoran so maybe the same way C! Syaoran and C!Sakura were reborn, R!Syaoran was reborn through the clones? Maybe he had different parents from before? And what happened to CSS!Sakura and CSS!Syaoran?

[Miles Teg]

You know...R!Syaoran had to have existed before C!Syaoran so maybe the same way C! Syaoran and C!Sakura were reborn, R!Syaoran was reborn through the clones? Maybe he had different parents from before? And what happened to CSS!Sakura and CSS!Syaoran?

It's a Time paradox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_paradox)

The CCS character are in their own world doing their own thing (eating cake and drinking tea with Kero for example:D). CCS!Sakura has only come once to make a cameo :heh:

[Lostdreams]

It's a Time paradox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_paradox)

The CCS character are in their own world doing their own thing (eating cake and drinking tea with Kero for example:D). CCS!Sakura has only come once to make a cameo :heh:

let's just not mess with time here. Imagine if any1 made a time machine... I just read the time paradox thing and I was like omg...
The time traveler goes back in time, kills his grandfather, but since his grandfather died, he could not have been conceived, therefore his grandfather is alive and he is conceived, but he goes back in time to kill his grandfather. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Miles Teg]

I think the question was asked so :

TRC comes back with issue 32, the 8th of July and xxxHolic has been pushed back by one week in issue 32 of Young Magazine (the 06th of July).

No TRC or Holic for the next two week.

[Flyvedelta]

Guess they need to cool down their head too after creating such a confusing paradox ;(

[Kazu-kun]

You know...R!Syaoran had to have existed before C!Syaoran.

No at all. It's a time paradox so it doesn't have a logical explanation (think about the chiken and the egg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken-and-egg_problem)).

[NickelXenon]

I'll bet the a few more chapters and they'll do something else to mind screw us.

[Tech-Guy]

do you guys think that kurogame and fay are confused as well? xD
i meant they were like parents of the clones now they are married and have a son. and ofcourse they already met their grandson .xD

[KimmyChan]

No at all. It's a time paradox so it doesn't have a logical explanation (think about the chiken and the egg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken-and-egg_problem)).

A very good answer indeed, and extremely logical...Thanks for that Kazu-kun :)

[Luminisk]

In my opinion, any attempt to rationalize time travel is an exercise in futility; I mean has anyone in-real-life time traveled to tell the tale? No, it is all speculative.

In times like these we should trust in the Timey Wimey Ball (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TimeyWimeyBall) and enjoy the story as is.

[yezhanquan]

I think that to "straighten" out the loop, drastic things would happen. For example, both Syaoran and Sakura (the clones/parents and the younger pair) might be erased completely, along with Watanuki.

[Luminisk]

I think that to "straighten" out the loop, drastic things would happen. For example, both Syaoran and Sakura (the clones/parents and the younger pair) might be erased completely, along with Watanuki.

I believe the current situation they are in can be considered as a "stable time loop" so it doesn't need to be straightened out. Anything beyond this I would consider as unnecessary headache.

[Miles Teg]

I believe the current situation they are in can be considered as a "stable time loop" so it doesn't need to be straightened out. Anything beyond this I would consider as unnecessary headache.

Exactly time loop don't necessary need to be removed, after all it's not the full time line who is part of the loop but a "minor" part. But the logic of the time (past/present/future) need to be reconstructed.

[KimmyChan]

I believe the current situation they are in can be considered as a "stable time loop" so it doesn't need to be straightened out. Anything beyond this I would consider as unnecessary headache.

I agree, a stable time loop is better than a really confusing & complicated one in this series by far :)

[Ichy]

I'm fairly certain that Clamp used a modified version of the terrible crossover fanfiction generator (http://kaction.com/badfanfiction/) to come up with all of this :heh:

[KimmyChan]

Lol! Ingenius! :D What an idea! :D

[ellifeedn]

How many chapters do you think are left until the series is finished?

[yezhanquan]

On 224, I wonder how Kinomoto Sakura felt when she travelled to meet "Sakura" in the dream? Also, who opened the portal for her?

After the dream...

Kinomoto: Syaoran-kun, I gave my staff to an alternate dimension Sakura!
Li (blushing): So... did an alternate version of me exists in that space-time? More importantly... did he marry her?
Kinomoto: .... (blushing madly as well)

[technomo12]

OK i might sound retarded i might even sound a dick head.

but after 2 and a half week reading both tsubasa and xxxholic and some parts in magic knight reyearth and clamp school.

oh and also wikipedia.

all i can say is.

DAMN that is one wicked mind making all those plot twist turn and twist some more and even branching out to other series.


but finally maybe in the last volume (I just hope it is the last volume)we can get to see one Happy sakura and syaoran couple with no pain of what so ever.

cuz hell they suffered enough as it already is but damn!.

what will happen to the xxxholic series now taht yuko is now dead???

[fish eric]

Chapter 224 was interesting. Sakura looks older. She should be in her early 20's considering their sons age. She looks alot prettier.

I wonder why they don't just not send their son away? If they don't send him to clow country wont that stop the time loop?

Why did they send him after Sakura in the first place?

[NickelXenon]

Chapter 224 has a page where you see all the stages of R!Syaoran's life from when he's a baby to the teenager he is now. When I saw baby Syaoran, I went, "D'awwwwww!"

[Kazu-kun]

Why did they send him after Sakura in the first place?
Because the clones want their son to be happy, and they know his happiness is to be with Sakura. That's made pretty clear in this chapter. Besides, Kinomoto did say that C!Sakura should believe that everyone can be happy (the clones, their son, R!Sakura... everyone), the more reason to send their son after R!Sakura.

Kinomoto's words mean there is a way to break the time loop without the clones or R!Syaoran and R!Sakura being separated.

[fish eric]

Because the clones want their son to be happy, and they know his happiness is to be with Sakura. That's made pretty clear in this chapter. Besides, Kinomoto did say that C!Sakura should believe that everyone can be happy (the clones, their son, R!Sakura... everyone), the more reason to send their son after R!Sakura.

Kinomoto's words mean there is a way to break the time loop without the clones or R!Syaoran and R!Sakura being separated.

I see what you are saying. However
That's made pretty clear in this chapter.
Nothing in this series is pretty clear :p

[KimmyChan]

Chapter 224 has a page where you see all the stages of R!Syaoran's life from when he's a baby to the teenager he is now. When I saw baby Syaoran, I went, "D'awwwwww!"

OMG Syoaran as a baby in this chapter??!! I JUST HAVE TO SEE THIS FOR MYSELF! :D

[Kafriel]

Well, if anyone had doubts that CCS! was involved, I guess they're gone now:P
Pretty good conclusion, a never-ending circle of parenting themselves and tearing the time/space continuum apart...wonder what's next :D

[KimmyChan]

Are we anywhere near the end of TRC completion of the manga yet peeps :(

[Kafriel]

I'd say we are, now it's just laying out the story for the weak-minded and then seeing how it ends...I THINK!

[Used Can]

Oh, so CCS' Sakura was indeed involved? Well, that's nice.

[fish eric]

Oh, so CCS' Sakura was indeed involved? Well, that's nice.

Remember seeing her wand in Yuko's treasure room? I think Yuko said that when Sayoran was originally transported to Clow country that the wand was clone Sakura's part of the payment for her son.

[Anh_Minh]

Chapter 224 was interesting. Sakura looks older. She should be in her early 20's considering their sons age. She looks alot prettier.

I wonder why they don't just not send their son away? If they don't send him to clow country wont that stop the time loop?

Why did they send him after Sakura in the first place?

It'd probably break causality. Again.

[Flyvedelta]

I think CLAMP read our post before doing this chapter lol. Glad that they decided to explain what the hell happened in this manga #_#;

[KimmyChan]

I had a feeling that it'd probably be nearing the end sooner rather than later this year...Oh well :(

[Lostdreams]

I think this chapter would've been good viewed on screen with sad music. Very dramatic.

[Xion Valkyrie]

I liked the manga better when they were just going to really random places collecting feathers. The new stuff is just way too convoluted and lacks the fun factor the earlier chapters had.

[KimmyChan]

The fascination of time & space jumping in this series was really interesting I have to admit :)

[technomo12]

not to mention the twist and other turn in this manga , made it very very hard to read unless you read the whole thing

well i for one would like it to have a nice and happy ending

and also

does any one feel sad that yuko will be dead??

[KimmyChan]

I do in a way, as any death in any manga is always sad, especially if it's a good character :(

[Kafriel]

Another break for data gathering...I guess that's what makes the story worth it :)

[shmaster]

Remember seeing her wand in Yuko's treasure room? I think Yuko said that when Sayoran was originally transported to Clow country that the wand was clone Sakura's part of the payment for her son.

Just a second, are you implying clone Sakura=CCS Sakura?
I don't think that really is the case.

[Anh_Minh]

No, Clone Sakura received the wand from CCS Sakura. In a dream. Try to keep up.

[KimmyChan]

I'm almost up to date with everything that is going on lately in TRC so far :)

Talking of which, I'm about to recieve volume 22 of the manga through the post as we speak :)

[Lostdreams]

Another break for data gathering...I guess that's what makes the story worth it :)

A little too much data gathering imo. They gather data like every 2 weeks.

[KimmyChan]

Volumes 23 & 24 should be out before the end of this year aswell :)

[Miles Teg]

A little too much data gathering imo. They gather data like every 2 weeks.

Data gathering is used as a generic excuse for the author to take a break :heh:

Some times he will take this time to write the scenario, to think about what has to come but some other time the author will be working on other project or simply taking a break.

But this time it's probably because Clamp was in Paris last week :heh:

[shmaster]

No, Clone Sakura received the wand from CCS Sakura. In a dream. Try to keep up.

Thought so, thanks for the confirmation.

[Kafriel]

Data gathering is used as a generic excuse for the author to take a break :heh:

Some times he will take this time to write the scenario, to think about what has to come but some other time the author will be working on other project or simply taking a break.

But this time it's probably because Clamp was in Paris last week :heh:

CLAMP needs to start reading bakuman!:frustrated:

[Miles Teg]

CLAMP needs to start reading bakuman!:frustrated:

And why exactly :confused:

They were in Paris for their works (20th anniversary of Clamp @ Japan Expo) not for sightseeing and they are at a level where they don't care about what editor have to say else X/1999 would have been finished ages ago :heh:

[yezhanquan]

And why exactly :confused:

They were in Paris for their works (20th anniversary of Clamp @ Japan Expo) not for sightseeing and they are at a level where they don't care about what editor have to say else X/1999 would have been finished ages ago :heh:

Hence, my nick for them: "grand old dames"

[Kafriel]

And why exactly :confused:

They were in Paris for their works (20th anniversary of Clamp @ Japan Expo) not for sightseeing and they are at a level where they don't care about what editor have to say else X/1999 would have been finished ages ago :heh:

Details xD

[Miles Teg]

Details xD

If you want detail about X/1999 little story then that go like that :D

Editor : I want less violence.
Clamp : No.
Editor : If you don't comply then I will stop the publication.
Clamp : Ok, stop the publication...

And the publication is on indefinite hiatus since early 2003.

[KimmyChan]

No, Clone Sakura received the wand from CCS Sakura. In a dream. Try to keep up.

I needed reminding about that myself aswell, so thanks from me also :)

[Xellos-_^]

If you want detail about X/1999 little story then that go like that :D

Editor : I want less violence.
Clamp : No.
Editor : If you don't comply then I will stop the publication.
Clamp : Ok, stop the publication...

And the publication is on indefinite hiatus since early 2003.

what are the chances of Clamp either switching editors or finding another publisher for the last vol?

[Miles Teg]

what are the chances of Clamp either switching editors or finding another publisher for the last vol?

The problem is not really with the editor himself but with the publisher (the editor is only here to convey the "voice" of the publisher ;))

X/1999 is a Shojo manga so you need a publisher who do Shojo (or Josei), who is bigger than Kadokawa Shoten (you can't make them lose face and X/1999 is still selling very well) and who has no problem with psychological and physical violence. Probably harder to find a good match than with Rozen Maiden (from Comic Birz to Weekly Young Jump).

In the end it has become a war of attrition between the two party and we the fan are the collateral damage :heh:

For now we should wait and see what Clamp will be doing after TRC/xxxHolic.

EDIT : For fan of Clover it's possible that the publication will restart this year in the magazine Nakayoshi after nearly ten years of pause :D

[Xellos-_^]

The problem is not really with the editor himself but with the publisher (the editor is only here to convey the "voice" of the publisher ;))

X/1999 is a Shojo manga so you need a publisher who do Shojo (or Josei), who is bigger than Kadokawa Shoten (you can't make them lose face and X/1999 is still selling very well) and who has no problem with psychological and physical violence. Probably harder to find a good match than with Rozen Maiden (from Comic Birz to Weekly Young Jump).

In the end it has become a war of attrition between the two party and we the fan are the collateral damage :heh:

For now we should wait and see what Clamp will be doing after TRC/xxxHolic.

EDIT : For fan of Clover it's possible that the publication will restart this year in the magazine Nakayoshi after nearly ten years of pause :D

maybe the Clamp will get tire of the stalemate and just release it online for free and allow the fans to paid them directly.

[NickelXenon]

Wow! Really? I'm a huuuuuge Clover fan. It would be awesome if that was continued.

[yezhanquan]

maybe the Clamp will get tire of the stalemate and just release it online for free and allow the fans to paid them directly.

Kadokawa will sue their pants off. The contract should have listed them as having some rights to the series.

[ellifeedn]

After all that's happened in this series, how could X/1999 be any worse?

[Lostdreams]

If you want detail about X/1999 little story then that go like that :D

Editor : I want less violence.
Clamp : No.
Editor : If you don't comply then I will stop the publication.
Clamp : Ok, stop the publication...

And the publication is on indefinite hiatus since early 2003.

So technically, if the editor dies can they republish X again?

[NickelXenon]

So technically, if the editor dies can they republish X again?

Erm, the publisher is the problem really. Not the editor.

[yezhanquan]

And to be frank, the publisher has no idea how the fanbase has changed since the last tankubon came out more than 5 years ago. They aren't sure if the series can rope in young people who have never seen CLAMP before.

[technomo12]

question what are the chances that magic knight ray earth will get an animation??

or a new manga adaptation since well sine umm.......what was the word im looking for..

never mind

but who knows? it might get re adapted to make another cross story to TRC and xxxholic??

[KimmyChan]

what are the chances of Clamp either switching editors or finding another publisher for the last vol?

That would be a bit of a pain, but if it happens, it happens :)

[Lostdreams]

question what are the chances that magic knight ray earth will get an animation??

or a new manga adaptation since well sine umm.......what was the word im looking for..

never mind

but who knows? it might get re adapted to make another cross story to TRC and xxxholic??

rayearth already has an anime that aired in 1994.

[Boo.]

Haii I'm kinda new here heh, well sorry for inturupting the talk

I have kinda way back question... at the start of manga/anime there is part where Sakura and Soyran are located in glass tube... what does the whole scene means... >3> I mean I did try to figure out myself BUT I have no idea and I am soooo curious about it x3

Thank you for help :meh:

[Miles Teg]

The explanation is in chapter 216.

[Sprite_Coke]

Should've posted here before...


I've watched the anime seasons and the OVAs. Anime was okay, OVA was epic, but required some manga knowledge.

I want to start reading the manga, but don't want to repeat the arcs that were in the anime. About where do I start?

[yezhanquan]

You'll have to read most of it again, since the series ties in with holics, and the anime specifically left out all references (not sure about the OVAs).

[Miles Teg]

The flashback is finished, next week the "main" story will restart.

[Schnitzel]

after reading chap 225
next chapter is gonna be exciting.

[kk2extreme]

one word AWWWwww...

[yezhanquan]

Fei Wong in 226 reminds me of a mad scientist who had just seen his machine breaking down in front of him. Things are going to hit the fan.

[kk2extreme]

I think that possibility of wong being watanuki is getting higher.

[Xellos-_^]

Fei Wong in 226 reminds me of a mad scientist who had just seen his machine breaking down in front of him. Things are going to hit the fan.

Fei Wong = older ver of Wantanuki

[SidVicious]

Fei Wong = older ver of Wantanuki

After the new chapters of xxxHOLiC and Tsubasa I have to agree.

[Sakuya]

But didn't Fei Wong know Clow Reed? :confused:

[Samanosuke]

But didn't Fei Wong know Clow Reed? :confused:

don't think so . He only said he shares his blood / is a distant relative.
Which would make sense since Watanuki's parent are Clows descendant.

[kk2extreme]

If W = FW, then the relationship chart is going to be a mess. Let see...

Wong create C. shaoran and C. sakura from the shaoran and sakura, which Wat is actually the other side of shaoran, which is Wong himself. And not to forget clones are the parents of shaoran and the same as Wat/Wong... so basically Wat/Wong creates his own parents and himself... or if you start with shaoran and trace it... damn i just get a brain freeze and I forget to put the timeline with the chart

its so twisted and my head starts to hurt now, it is screwing my mind so bad, it is even worse than Evangelion and Raxephon combine :heh:

[fish eric]

I don't think Wata can be Fei. Doesn't the story say that at one point Fei Wong came to Yukko and asked her to grant his wish? His wish being to bring back the dead?

On the other hand Fei Wong might want to revive Yukko.

Watanuki should have just wished to go back in time and live with Yukko then.