View Full Version : Jack Thompson against videogame "Bully"
xxxplizit
2006-10-16, 13:00
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yREGBKZggwA
It appears that Jack Thompson still won't give up on stating about Video Game Violence. Though this is concentrated more on American games like Doom and now Bully, do you guys think in the futute he may target japanese (anime-related) games as well to so-called "strengthen his argument"?
I think it's gotten beyond the point of sad by this point. It's been proven that Bully is not a school-GTA game...there's no killing or whatever. Furthermore, despite the name, the players don't actually control a bully character...a lot of times they're helping out people who are getting bullied. I mean, it's not like bullying never existed before the game was conceived...maybe good ol' Jack should take a look into that before blaming this video game for kid's getting their "heads knocked in" or whatever. The guy's an attention whore...too bad a lot of the media and government back him up because they're completely clueless about the gaming industry in the first place.
(Haven't watched the link posted as of this post).
Clicked on the link afterwards, turns out I've watched that already. I really hate the fact that he basically puts none of the responsibility on the parents for buying games inappropriate for the age of their kids. I mean, places like EBgames can refuse to sell it to the child, but if the parent/grandparent/guardian comes up to them and insists on purchasing the game, they can warn the adult all they warn, but if they [parent/grandparent/guardian] don't listen, it accomplishes nothing. Then, when they actually see the content of the games their kids are playing, they get their knickers in a twist and complain about video game violence and how it's "ruining" society.
I don't think the more anime-related (re: games localized from overseas) will take as much heat for a while, simply because the violence quotient in games more favoured by North American gamers (FPS, GTA and clones) are on average higher and more "realistic" than in games favoured by Asian gamers (RPG, dating sims, etc). That's not to say NA gamers don't like what Asian gamers like and vice-versa, but with the exception of some huge franchises like Final Fantasy, the average FPS and GTA-clone does better than the average RPG for the most part in NA. So unless FPS games start turning into carnival games (ie - shooting water into the face of a clown to make the balloon above his head explode), I really don't see them going after Japanese/anime-related games much, if at all.
Oh boy...probably gonna get some flak for the above paragraph... ._.;
Someone please lock this thread immediately. As has been stated, the man is an attention-whore, and they way to deal with that is to not give him any attention.
kid's getting their "heads knocked in" or whatever
Don't abuse the apostrophe!
Demongod86
2006-10-16, 14:43
The guy has a point though...I saw a numb3rs episode not too long ago in which the kids were using a modded doom or some shit and went and pulled a columbine...
But on the other hand, in terms of ANIME games? Big lawl there...JRPGs are some of the best sellers in America...I don't think exports will be hurt before things like GTA and DooM bite the dust.
The guy has a point though...I saw a numb3rs episode not too long ago in which the kids were using a modded doom or some shit and went and pulled a columbine...
Yeah....because TV is always an accurate depiction of real life...:rolleyes:
Someone please lock this thread immediately. As has been stated, the man is an attention-whore, and they way to deal with that is to not give him any attention.
Don't abuse the apostrophe!
Well, that's what I get for changing my original line of kid's heads getting knocked in to kid's getting their "heads knocked in" or whatever. Thanks for pointing that out Mr. they way. ;)
But yeah....attention whore to the fullest. No publicity is bad publicity, right? >_>
NoSanninWa
2006-10-16, 16:16
Wow! It's been too long since our old friend Jack Thompson entertained us with his personal brand of wacky humor! I always have a great laugh when he pulls one of these amusingly outrageous stunts.
I hope he's back to stay because this world really needs something to laugh at.
Someone please lock this thread immediately. As has been stated, the man is an attention-whore, and they way to deal with that is to not give him any attention.
Don't abuse the apostrophe!
While he certainly is an attention-whore there are two reasons to allow the thread to exist.
1. He really does bring up points that are relevant in today's society. The arguments he makes are being voiced by others. Ignoring these arguments won't make them go away.
2. His antics are so over the top that he makes me laugh.
Just for anyone who hadn't heard yet- the Bully thing has now been resolved. A judge asked to see a copy of the game to see if Thompson's claims about it being a "columbine simulator" were anywhere close to correct. He concluded that while he wouldn't let his kids play the game, it contained nothing that couldn't easily be found on tv. Once again, Thompson finds his mouth inextricably crammed down his throat. At this rate, Thompson must be the world's most notorious foot fetishist
Just for anyone who hadn't heard yet- the Bully thing has now been resolved. A judge asked to see a copy of the game to see if Thompson's claims about it being a "columbine simulator" were anywhere close to correct. He concluded that while he wouldn't let his kids play the game, it contained nothing that couldn't easily be found on tv. Once again, Thompson finds his mouth inextricably crammed down his throat. At this rate, Thompson must be the world's most notorious foot fetishist
Well, he certainly didn't take it sitting down that's for sure...
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6159812.html
"What you conducted in your chambers, Judge, was the equivalent of Iran leading UN weapons inspectors around the country taking them to places where the illegal activity was not occurring."
"Now that you have consigned innumerable children to skull fractures, eye injuries from slingshots, and beatings with baseball bats, without a hearing as to the danger, let me tell you a few things, with all respect for your office and with no respect for the arbitrary way in which you handled this matter," he wrote. "The way you conducted yourself today helps explain why a great Dade County Judge, the late Rhea Pincus Grossman, could not abide you."
"How dare you, Judge, promise a hearing today and then prevent that hearing from occurring. How dare you, Judge, petulantly order the production of the game after it is released on Tuesday morning. I didn't even ask for that. You did that out of spite, and you were smiling when you did that. You really enjoyed that one, didn't you, Judge? Next time you promise a 'hearing,' I'll bring a parent with me whose kid is in the ground because of a kid who trained to kill him or her on a violent video game. Try mocking that person, I dare you."
Ah, it's good to have you back Jack. :rolleyes:
Well, this is G4 we're talking about. Were you really expecting a rational debate? As usual, they loaded the side that makes them look good with speakers to slug it out with the other side (Jack Thompson).
It could all be solved by Rockstar Games letting him and 2 respectable psych people associated with the studies play the game before release. That's probably what Rockstar Games doesn't want to do. If the player is standing up to teachers as what the website for the game (http://www.rockstargames.com/bully/home/) indicates, then there may be something to what he's saying imo.
But you also need to remember what the judge is ruling on and what Thompson is complaining about aren't the same. It would require a court hearing to resolve which was what he was denied. Here's my take on their views.
Judge: Game meets all the requirements of a teen rating therefore can ship.
Thompson: Violence in the game may result in increased violence by children who played the game, therefore game shouldn't ship. (Judge can't resolve this behind close doors. It requires a lengthy hearing with experts on each side slugging it out. Game release would have been delayed prob if it went to trial.)
Now, if there is one violent incident linked to that video game, that judge will be in deep trouble.
Demongod86
2006-10-16, 17:54
Okay, seeing that game, I can see what the guy was whining about. It's definitely a disgusting looking game, that's for sure...but I hate GTA as well, so...
I don't like Jack Thompson; he has wild misconceptions about the industry on the whole, however, even though he thinks badly of it, his main motivation for his 'crusade' and the main company he attacks is Rockstar. I don't like Rockstar, myself. I don't like GTA. Not only do I not like GTA for what it is, I think a large part of its success is because of its controversial nature. It may be a series of solid games, but I don't think it sells so well because it's a freaking great series. Many copies have been bought because of "cool" (heavy sarcasm) things like drive-bys, beating prostitues, and other forms of wonton, glorified violence. Anywho, Jacks biggest vendetta is against Rockstar, so as much as I don't like him, his main adversary is Rockstar, and that I don't really care about all that much.
Someone said that people support Jack, but he has lost, and continues to lose, support. A lot of organizations led by parents and politicians and so forth who speak out on violence and unwholesome things in the media have found Jack Thompson to be too eccentric, off-base, and doing more harm than good. Also, unlike him, they speak about raising awareness for parents and keeping things orderly (like prohibiting sales to minors and enforcing the rating system and so forth) and encouraging parents to know what their kids are watching/listening to/playing, etc. Jack, on the other hand, is hell bent on damaging the idustry, and his criticism is formed as a blanket generalization; it is like he wants to have all M rated games put down or something. He makes it seem like the whole industry is rotten, all companies and developers and programmers are rotten, crap like that. Many people who have supported him have seen he has highly unreasonable about all this. Where many of those who once supported him would like to voice concern about similar things, raise awareness to parents, and ensure the sale of T and M rated games are not sold to those who fall under the minimum age, Jack is, on the other hand...well, bat-shit insane, unreasonable, and unrealistic.
Kaioshin Sama
2006-10-16, 19:25
I swear I remember reading somewhere about him calling out the Japanese for pushing their smut and violent games on America, people and for him calling to boycott the Japanese with tariffs on their video games or something that didn't make a whole lot of sense. He's basically an Envangelical Christian Republican, you cannot stop them as they're belief system has been driven into them since birth essentially. The only thing that is going to stop him is death. Okay found it http://www.daytoncitypaper.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2399 "Pearl Harbour 2" (Directed by Michael Bay possibly)
Someone said that people support Jack, but he has lost, and continues to lose, support. A lot of organizations led by parents and politicians and so forth who speak out on violence and unwholesome things in the media have found Jack Thompson to be too eccentric, off-base, and doing more harm than good. Also, unlike him, they speak about raising awareness for parents and keeping things orderly (like prohibiting sales to minors and enforcing the rating system and so forth) and encouraging parents to know what their kids are watching/listening to/playing, etc. Jack, on the other hand, is hell bent on damaging the idustry, and his criticism is formed as a blanket generalization; it is like he wants to have all M rated games put down or something. He makes it seem like the whole industry is rotten, all companies and developers and programmers are rotten, crap like that. Many people who have supported him have seen he has highly unreasonable about all this. Where many of those who once supported him would like to voice concern about similar things, raise awareness to parents, and ensure the sale of T and M rated games are not sold to those who fall under the minimum age, Jack is, on the other hand...well, bat-shit insane, unreasonable, and unrealistic.
That would be me. While I did not know about his backing being weakened (I really don't follow Jack that much, though his antics are somewhat amusing to me....probably less so than to NSW), he still does have some support (obviously! :p ), otherwise I doubt he would continue on this "crusade" (re: tirade) of his...well, knowing Jack, he probably would. The thing that stands out in my mind are people like Hillary Clinton supporting Jack...anyone know if she still does?
I'm not a fan of the GTA series myself. My friend lent me GTA Vice City....but it did not keep my interest at all. I don't know...guess it's not my cup of tea. But in all honesty, I just don't see what the big deal with Bully is...it's not GTA: School Edition, nor a "Columbine Simulator". But whatever, to each their own. Keep "fighting the good fight" Jack!
Hehe, Dark, I don't really read up on him, I only know most of what I know about him through reading posts in other forum discussions about him on gaming boards (where there is a lot more insults thrown at him there, I've noticed :D).
Bandersnatch
2006-10-16, 20:00
I remember when he first started attacking it when all that was really known about the game was the name. Do you haters really know anything about this game? Real high school is much more offensive than anything I have read or seen about this game.
Dear Jack, I was rather displeased to hear nothing from you when Rockstar Games presents Table Tennis was released. How dare you ignore a game that trains children to hit small projectiles with paddles at one another!? The game totally rewards violence with more violence as the projectile hurtles back and forth toward our defenseless children. Unfortunately, the game has already been released and children all across America have improved their hand eye coordination resulting in increased lethality with small plastic projectiles. Im sorry Jack, but you have dropped the ball on this one.
It could all be solved by Rockstar Games letting him and 2 respectable psych people associated with the studies play the game before release. That's probably what Rockstar Games doesn't want to do. If the player is standing up to teachers as what the website for the game indicates, then there may be something to what he's saying imo.
Well, for one thing, unlike the judge, Jack could not and would not be considered anything close to an unbiased source... he has a nice history of twisting and misinterperting facts... Also, there's a big difference between "standing up" to teachers and fighting them... if i recall correctly, fighting with teachers in the game results in very swift punishment... same goes for fighting with kids and girls... The game seems to be much more about standing up for yourself and others aswell as fighting with Bully's than being a Bully yourself... There's no guns, knives, blood, or death in the game
Jack is kinda like a conspiricy nut... Every since GTA and the whole "hot coffeee" fiasco last year, jack is convinced that Rockstar is trying to hide something in Bully; with clamis that they are hiding all the bad stuff from the media, the ESRB and the judge... Ofcourse he ignores that fact that rockstar has NOTHING to gain from hiding such content... Rockstar's ended up suffering terribly from the hot coffee fiasco last year and were even threatened to be fined if they do it again... really, hiding stuff from the public is really against Rockstar's own intrests; they'd got to be nuts to actually try something like hiding content... Sure controversy does sell well, but only when you throw it out there in the open (like with GTA), not when you hide it away...
Now, if there is one violent incident linked to that video game, that judge will be in deep trouble.
yes, because Bulling DIDN'T exist until after this game was made :rolleyes:
Consideriong how common it is for male teens to play video games, and the fact that violent poeple tend to be attracted to violent media... Finding out that a violent teen also happens to enjoy violent video games is VERY easy coincidence... The first time we hear that "Bully was the cause of a teen using a slingshot against someone", I'd be willing to bet that the teen involved owned and used a slingshot long before Bully came out...
This is what Jack Thompson does, he ingores all root causes to a youth becoming violent, and tries to pin it all on video games like GTA...
Someone said that people support Jack, but he has lost, and continues to lose, support. A lot of organizations led by parents and politicians and so forth who speak out on violence and unwholesome things in the media have found Jack Thompson to be too eccentric, off-base, and doing more harm than good.
Jack is to protecting children from violent video games, as PETA is to protecting animals :p
Dear Jack, I was rather displeased to hear nothing from you when Rockstar Games presents Table Tennis was released. How dare you ignore a game that trains children to hit small projectiles with paddles at one another!? The game totally rewards violence with more violence as the projectile hurtles back and forth toward our defenseless children. Unfortunately, the game has already been released and children all across America have improved their hand eye coordination resulting in increased lethality with small plastic projectiles. Im sorry Jack, but you have dropped the ball on this one.
No, seriously though, what I don't understand is that he didn't say a damn thing when Rockstar's worse game (by far, I hate this game personally) Manhunt was released. That one released with no problems, but people are making a fuss over the hot coffee mod and Bully. Yeah, those things are far worse than Manhunt. :rolleyes:
He's basically an Envangelical Christian Republican, you cannot stop them as they're belief system has been driven into them since birth essentially.
Hey wait a second...don't correlate ALL Evangelical Christians with Thompson's level of idiocy. Not all Evangelicals are as closed minded and irrational as Thompson.
He really does bring up points that are relevant in today's society. The arguments he makes are being voiced by others. Ignoring these arguments won't make them go away.
Oh yeah?
A lot of organizations led by parents and politicians and so forth who speak out on violence and unwholesome things in the media have found Jack Thompson to be too eccentric, off-base, and doing more harm than good. Also, unlike him, they speak about raising awareness for parents and keeping things orderly (like prohibiting sales to minors and enforcing the rating system and so forth) and encouraging parents to know what their kids are watching/listening to/playing, etc. Jack, on the other hand, is hell bent on damaging the idustry, and his criticism is formed as a blanket generalization; it is like he wants to have all M rated games put down or something.
In a nutshell: he makes a bad argument, and giving it attention won't achieve anything. Especially if you direct your attention to him, which is what this is about.
wavehawk
2006-10-21, 01:27
It appears that Jack Thompson still won't give up on stating about Video Game Violence. - Jack Thompson, I say it again, is tryign to get as much publicity as he can to start his own election campaign. And once he becomes President of the United States, his first move will be "To finish what we started" and drop a nuke on Tokyo.
Seriously people, I don't give a flying f--k about Jack Thompson and his views to promote further irresponsibility among parents. This is as stupid as a 30-something year old-cop going into a store and buying porn--then arresting the storeowner for selling porn to minors.
Kids should not be buying Ghost Recon. It says right on the label, "Mature". Kids shoudl not be buying porn--and generally those crap don't have too many warnign labels. Kids should not be buying cigarettes or alcohol, and most cigarettes and alcohol don't exactly have "Not for kids" labels on them. Far as I'm concerned, the games industry's doing a damned better job of putting not-for-kid labels on their products than the Porn, Tobacco, and Alcohol industries combined--but Jack will never hit out on those, oh no. Theyr'e not popular enough to get him noticed as a potential political candidate. But that's STILL not my concern.
My concern is this: I am 32 goddamn years old, so does this half-wit have any right in the known universe to tell me not to play a game that's violent because it can damage my childhood?
these people......honestly.
Sure Bully might not be for minors, but that's the whole point isn't it? I'm surprised Jack hasn't been flakking some harmless game like xenosaga because it causes minors to believe they can operate giant robots to wreak mass destruction, or Grand Turismo series because it teaches minors to drive recklessly and over the appropriate speed limit.
and you're a bit wrong Wavehawk. not for minors seriously not for minors. if you are a minor don't click on spoiler I reckon if Jack has a crusade on porn i'm pretty sure most of America would be up his ass.
Social awareness needs to be placed on the irresponsible parents who buy violent games for their kids, instead of the violent games themselves.
i think there was a case once a long time ago where a mother sued a cable tv provider for airing an anime at 2am which showed the bare arse of a female character for a few seconds which her two kids (both below the age of 10) saw. But never mind violences. Hate to say it kids, but that arse wasn't real
Onizuka-GTO
2006-10-21, 09:41
personally, i think bully is in bad taste....being a former victim of bullying myself it isn't something to have a laugh about....
we got enough Bully-related sucide problems already in this country, and it's not the best of times to bring a game like this, :rolleyes:
Mind you, people should have a choice to choose to play it or not, it's just a game. They shouldn't let some tell you, your not allowed to play this game because of their personal reasons, without scientific evidence to back it up. So until they can prove violence games lead to violence and anti-social behaviour, screw you Jack Thompson and all those other anti-games arse wipes.
WerdnaNahanel
2006-10-21, 13:35
We shouldn't complain about Jack, he is a great form of entertainment.
wavehawk
2006-10-22, 02:08
Remember, this isn't the first time some holier-than-thou nitwit has tried to get publicity points over something that should--strictly--be the responsibility of parents. Like comic books, for example--Most kids nowadays are brought up on stuff like Image/Wildstorm comics and wouldn't think much of the stuff in them, but some of us remember back when stuff like Superman and Batman were criticized as promoting violence and sexual deviancy among children. Hell, I remember Burt Ward (Dick Grayson/Robin in the 1960's campy Batman TV show) once had christian communities slamming him for wearing improper tights on that show.
But then again, we're living in a world wherein people can sue McDonalds for serving them Hot Coffee that's Hot, or parents who sue pesticide companies for not warning them that pesticides are poisonous after they let their kids play with it.
Not to sound like an insensitive asshole (which I am, BTW), but there's a whole ton of people out there today that for the love of God shouldn't be allowed to breed. Unfortunately for the rest of us, they make up the voting population. So all you need to do, as a politician, is appeal to what the majority want.
On the game "Bully"--I wouldn't like it or play it. I was bullied as a kid, but in my case there were two kinds of bullies--the kind you could reason with, and the ones who were rich. The ones you could reason with you didn't need to fight to get them to stop bullying you, and the rich ones--well, they've got money. I personally wouldn't go as far as saying it's bad, but then again, this is a game by the guys who gave you GTA--and I didn't like GTA, either, so I'm probably biased.
But then again, we're living in a world wherein people can sue McDonalds for serving them Hot Coffee that's Hot
What most people don't know when mentioning that case is that the coffee caused a THIRD-DEGREE BURN!
Not to sound like an insensitive asshole (which I am, BTW), but there's a whole ton of people out there today that for the love of God shouldn't be allowed to breed. Unfortunately for the rest of us, they make up the voting population.
The problem is that many people don't vote in the US. If they would, it's possible it'd make a difference. This is why I like that Belgium forces people to go vote. Everyone gets a say.
On the game "Bully"--I wouldn't like it or play it. I was bullied as a kid, but in my case there were two kinds of bullies--the kind you could reason with, and the ones who were rich. The ones you could reason with you didn't need to fight to get them to stop bullying you, and the rich ones--well, they've got money. I personally wouldn't go as far as saying it's bad, but then again, this is a game by the guys who gave you GTA--and I didn't like GTA, either, so I'm probably biased.
See, from what I've heard, the main character in Bully is not, himself a real bully- he's rather undeniably a good guy. He saves others FROM bullies. That's the reason why this is one of the first Rockstar games that I've had any real interest in (also enjoyed Red Dead Revolver).
I've read about his rants and raves. I don't like anyone that discriminates against video games, period.
The topics kind of old now...as Jack's antics have yet to go anywhere from his original claims of "video games...bad!", but apparently he may or may not be held in contempt of the court for his words towards the judge (of which you can find in one of my earlier posts in this thread. While I'm not fond of him, nor what his does, I do feel a bit sorry for him...sorry that he didn't have the mental capacity to not berate a judge in that manner. *sigh* Jackie boy...time to find a new crusade.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6160347.html?tag=latestnews;title;1
What most people don't know when mentioning that case is that the coffee caused a THIRD-DEGREE BURN!
Was the coffee boiling? It couldn't be that hot if it wasn't boiling.
I don't like violent games, and I believe it influences younger kids and maybe some older teens. Otherwise, why have ratings in the first place?
But it's up to the parents to make sure the kids don't play these games, not the gaming industry. The only reason why these crusaders are going on about games and not movies/TV is because it's interactive. You control the violence.
He's basically an Envangelical Christian Republican, you cannot stop them as they're belief system has been driven into them since birth essentially.
Next time, think a little before you write.
wavehawk
2006-10-28, 01:32
On Jack Thomson yelling at a judge--considering that he -claims- to be a lawyer, you'd think he knew better. However, there are a lot of people who should know better about a lot of things, such as not leaving pails of detergent open for toddlers to play with, then blaming the shopkeeper for nto telling her the stuff could be poisonous if ingested (This happened in Australia last year). Or the case wherein a woman whose rottweiler mauled a few kids decided to sic said dog on a dogcatcher and a news team (who caught it on tape)--I think you've seen that bit of news a couple years ago.
To be fair, I think that one thing you can respect Jack Thompson for, he stands up for the rights of stupid people to remain stupid at the expense of the rest of the world. I.E. the logic that the safest way to avoid a car accident is to bury yourself in your house for the rest of your life and pretend cars don't exist.
Look, I've played Doom when I was younger, as well as a lot of games that are definitely more senselessly violent than "Bully". I'm not a mass-murderer or anything. Why? Because my parents made damn sure I know the difference between a game and real life. And I have a short temper, mind you. If there is a reason kids who watch violent films or play violent games end up doing violent crap (such as certain no-load nitwits from Werribee), it's because their parents not only ignore teaching their kids what they should or shouldn't do--but in many cases, it's the parents themselves that encourage their kids to do it (the father of one of was interviewed on their actions, he laughed it up and considered setting fire to a young girl's hair as "good old-fashioned clean fun").
But the problem is that, as usual, when something goes wrong, they blame something else.
wsheit--I don't recall seeing that info about 'Bully". Then again, I've not actively looked for info on the title. Most info I ghet is that you play a character who, in order to avoid being bullied, becomes a bully himself.
OFF-TOPIC: Oh, BTW, if you're wondering who I'm referring to:
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,20658634-2862,00.html
wsheit--I don't recall seeing that info about 'Bully". Then again, I've not actively looked for info on the title. Most info I ghet is that you play a character who, in order to avoid being bullied, becomes a bully himself.
Then you obviously haven't watched a SINGLE trailer. It's not about a guy who becomes a bully. He beats up bullies. Although he does play a few pranks here and there, but not bullying.
wavehawk
2006-10-29, 00:20
Then you obviously haven't watched a SINGLE trailer. It's not about a guy who becomes a bully. He beats up bullies. Although he does play a few pranks here and there, but not bullying.- I've seen the one with the smart-mouthed kid in the back of the car, that's all. If you're talking pranks that "get back" at bullies, IMHO that's technically not bullying, and as long as it's not life-threatening it's not an issue.
Seriously, I'm not going to play this game anyway--not because of offensive content, I'm just not interested in it as a game.
Knightmare213
2006-10-30, 22:14
What Thompson wants is very clear: he wants all the video games that "promotes" violence and sex gone and never seen again. And out of this, I'm worried that certain video games will be banned, but not soon if Jack's the one leading the crusade.
To add salt to injury, he is twisting some of the facts, I think, to explain, or exaggerate, the bad effects on the teenagers', and younger children's, mentality.
And he sucks at twisting the truth, apparently.
He also sucks, perhaps at the minimum level, at gathering the real truth sometimes when he called Rockstar 'Take-Star.' That happened only once, but the title of the gamemakers are irrelevant to this topic of banning games.
He, and other people including the video gamers around the world who heard of him, knows what he wants. No More Video Games. Period.
And, if by chance, by very slim chance, he manages to banned sales of North American-made games, he may go after Japanese video games for being too sexual.
And also, how the heck did this guy get to be a senator?
NoSanninWa
2006-10-30, 22:52
And also, how the heck did this guy get to be a senator?
He's not a senator. He's just a lawyer. And a media-hog. As far as I know the only office he ever ran for was Dade County State Attorney in 1990. He lost to the incumbent, Janet Reno. He loses at a lot of things.
To add salt to injury, he is twisting some of the facts, I think, to explain, or exaggerate, the bad effects on the teenagers', and younger children's, mentality.
And he sucks at twisting the truth, apparently.
Heh, you should hear about his latest arguement against bully... gay sex
Apparently, it's possible to kiss guys in the game, not just girls... no sex, just kissing...
Jack is trying to get the game pulled from the shelves under the grounds that it violates some harmful to minor sex laws... ofcourse these laws only include actual sex, and not simple kissing or non-sexual gay stuff...
Jack apparently thinks straight kissing is alright, but gay kissing violates state laws... such terrible hate-mongering bigotry -.-
Then there's the whole deal with The Sims 2. He claimed that the nude patch showed FULL nudity, meaning nipples, pubic hair, penises... It showed none of that. They looked like BARBIE DOLLS!
The guy is seriously an idiot, and can't get his facts straight. Anyone who thinks he's doing "the right thing" should be hanged this instant, and then pissed on after they've died. Something even worse should be done to Jack. Like torture.
He's like the devil himself. I mean, violence and sex isn't that harmful, especially not sex. I wonder how this guy thinks we reproduce...
I have a few guesses at why he's doing this:
1. Attention
2. Money
3. He's just a maniac
or...
4. Crazy christian
All of them are very likely. Maybe it's all 4 of them at once.
Knightmare213
2006-11-01, 08:16
@Toxic: Hence, my point exactly. If he wants to accomplish his objectives, he should really spend more time one getting the facts right, not being emo against video games.
wavehawk
2006-11-05, 02:21
And he sucks at twisting the truth, apparently.- that's good news. If you can't lie right, you can;'t be a politician. And an America without Jack Thompson in public office is a beacon of hope indeed. ^_^
If they ban these types of video games. Then they need to do the same with the music, tv shows, movies, etc., that all fall into the same category. Pretty much its not going to happen. Thompson and the rest of those so called "freedom" fighters have too much time on their hands, and need to move on to a new hobby. Seriously
Knightmare213
2006-11-05, 08:39
Also, if video games are banned in the States, let's discuss the economical repercussions.
If anyone didn't know, video game industry is the fastest growing industry so far. If video games are banned in the "Good Ol'" United States, you may be shutting down all of the video game producing companies such as Electric Arts, Activision, and other American-based company.
They may linger on just for selling games in Japan and perhaps Canada (as long as there is no Canadian version of Jack Thompson, me and the other Canadian gamers just safe). However, they'll just be bankrupt, closed, and forgotten.
TV shows regarding video games will be cancelled...
Game websites, forums and other video game-related media will die out.
And let's not forget that some of the games we play are from Japan and Europe.
If America closes its borders for games, you'll affect the video games sales around the world. Japan will only have to look toward Europe for its sales, and the Japanese economy may be hit hard, perhaps harder than the States'.
Hell, I'm sure that Jack Thompson knows about the repercussions he may bring with his "ban the video games" campaign. He probably thinks that negatively affecting the worldwide economy is worth banning video games. Not only that, he may have a solution for the unemployed people who used to work for the video game industry. Nothing to worry about.
And if you believed I was saying the above paragraph seriously, not sarcastically, believe me...I was being sarcastic...funny or otherwise.:heh:
Ooh. I'm looking forward to what kind of idiocy he gets into next. And in the end, he's the one who eventually gets himself thwappage his own face...
The main problem is that the Game Media, and actual gamers, give this clown too much intention. I swear everytime he does something, gamesites have to go out and make it public. Just igonre his ass, and let him go on his merry campaign.
Heck I mean we have been hearing about this clown for the last month, I think first it was either the someone making his character in the new MK game, and woopin up on him, or it was this Bully rant. But seriously, the game media just needs to stop listening to him and advertising what he says.
Besides the real target for the game media needs to be on that Hack Uwe Boll. I swear he is killing video game franchises one day at a time.I mean I actually liked the Bloodrayne games, well the 1st was good, 2nd was eh. But nope, he killed it for me with that plague of a movie. Had nothing to do with the game at all. And to make matters worse, somehow they are making a sequel... Don't even let me get started on House of the Dead
I swear I think him and Thompson are in on it together. Thompson with his retarded rant speeches, and Boll with his crappy lackluster half assed monkey movies.
The main problem is that the Game Media, and actual gamers, give this clown too much intention. I swear everytime he does something, gamesites have to go out and make it public. Just igonre his ass, and let him go on his merry campaign.
Fucking agreed.
wavehawk
2006-11-06, 22:43
Besides the real target for the game media needs to be on that Hack Uwe Boll.- (Snicker) And to think, he had the balls to:
1.) Say that a Halo film directed by Peter Jackson will suck (right, like he's got the credentials to talk), and
2.) Claim that Konami and Kojima productions approached him personally to do the Metal Gear Movie (which Kojima and Konami have both said was false)
Back on-topic: What's he been doing this pre-election period, anyway?
Knightmare213
2006-11-06, 23:16
- (Snicker) And to think, he had the balls to:
1.) Say that a Halo film directed by Peter Jackson will suck (right, like he's got the credentials to talk), and
2.) Claim that Konami and Kojima productions approached him personally to do the Metal Gear Movie (which Kojima and Konami have both said was false)
Back on-topic: What's he been doing this pre-election period, anyway?
When I read that Boll will direct the Metal Gear Solid movie, I was horrified...until I read the part that it was a rumor ten seconds later. However, I was also horrified to learn that Peter Jackson won't be involved in Halo movie anymore as a producer from a friend. Even though I couldn't find the source telling this, I really wish Jackson would stay on it.
Also, NoSanninWa is right, and I ain't gonna challenge the knowledge that s/he gave to me, I don't think he has any worries about that election thing since he's a bloody lawyer.
wavehawk
2006-11-06, 23:19
Put it this way: If Uwe Boll were to be somehow assassinated by a group of terrorists, I'd be so freaking happy, I'd declare my own personal holiday.
Knightmare213
2006-11-06, 23:23
@Wavehawk: Well...let's not hope for the impossible, since why would terrorists would waste a single bullet on a man such as Uwe Boll?
If you want him to stop, you can always sign an Internet petition that asks him to stop making crappy films. You can join on other 15,000 people who signed the damn thing to make Uwe Boll turn good games into crappy movies. Should be pretty easy to find once you Google it.
noisytime
2006-11-09, 03:13
I've been playing Bully a lot the past two days, and it's extremely tame by Rockstar standards. The game is actually a parody of movies with a private school setting, like Rushmore.
As far as bullying goes, you are the one being bullied, and a lot, even most of the missions I've played through thus far entail helping other students.
This game should not raise any eyebrows whatsoever.
wavehawk
2006-11-11, 00:25
@Wavehawk: Well...let's not hope for the impossible, since why would terrorists would waste a single bullet on a man such as Uwe Boll?- Target practice? :p
Seriously though, any games company who willingly hires Uwe Boll to do a movie version of their games pay for what they get. The main reason they get him is because his fee is relatively cheap.
Knightmare213
2006-11-11, 00:54
- Target practice? :p
Seriously though, any games company who willingly hires Uwe Boll to do a movie version of their games pay for what they get. The main reason they get him is because his fee is relatively cheap.
It's like I say: "You can tell a lot regarding qualities of certain objects with the prices."
The companies should invest a lot of money if they're making a live-action adaptation of a game that has a great fanbase.
I just hope Boll never touches Final Fantasy (maybe Final Fantasy X-2 cause that one sucked a$$), Chrono Cross, or other godly games out there.
Jack Thompson is an attention whore.
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