[Manga] URAHARA Techniques / Bleach Databooks..help

[BleachOD]

I am sorry if this is in the wrong place...but I didn't know where else to place this...

While browsing an unnamed site, that I am a member off. I just happen to be in the Hollow guide and I came across URAHARA Techniques.

I had some questions about the things that were written in it, and I wanted to know if someone might know if the Data Books fully explain Urahara’s Hybrid Techniques

Didn't get much help there Besides they think I am just looking for information to support one of my theories...So they arent taking me seriously, or they just dont know

It says ….
Urahara, a former member of the Gotei 13, Captain of Squad 12, Chief of the Federal Research Bureau, the best Scientist of Sereitei and great Fighter. He is the one who discovered a few of the best Techniques ever known.
We’re here for the Hollows and now, for Uraharas hybrid Technique.

If a Shinigami is able to use rip off the mask in the moment of becoming a Hollow, he is able to become a Hybrid (also called Arrancars). A mixture of a Shinigami and a Hollow. This is happening to Ichigo during the Rescue Arc while trying to regain his ability to use Spiritual Power using the help of Uruhara.
If this is the case a hollow-like personality will exist inside the Shinigami and come out during dangerous situations to prevent the Shinigamis body from dying. The sign of a Hybrid is a Hollow mask which sticks to the Shinigami inside his clothes.

I am assuming they really mean Vizards here...

Also it says…

The Hybrids are able to use a Hollow-like strength combined with the Powers of the Shinigami Zanpakuto (transl.: Soul Slayer), their powers exceed the power of both, Hollow and Shinigami. The only problem is that the Hollows Personality is in a half-hollow state, meaning he is somehow mad, violent and brutal, this personality lacks a heart.
I am assuming they are talking about the Arrancar here

I ask because it also says…

In the Manga there are described also different ways of becoming a hybrid, which are called “Vastoorode”, there you use forbidden spells to become a hybrid.

I must have missed that. Can someone tell me where in the Manga does it state that there are forbidden spells, that can be used to create Hybrids

If Aizen could have use spells to create Hollow/Arrancar/Shinigami Hybrids. Then how come all he produced were failures? Why would he need the Hougyoku

Didn’t Aizen say that Urahara’s method of creating the Shinigami/Hollow Hybrids, Involved the Hougyoku? (Forget about my second Hougyoku theory…I am talking about the first one)

Didn’t he say that he tried on his own, but all he got were failed experiments?

Didn’t he also say that to break the limits placed on a Shinigami he had to use Urahara’s technique, and in order to do that he had to use the Hougyoku?:confused:

Correct me if I am wrong but, didn’t Hitsugaya say that a Vastoorode is a form of Hollow that is the most humanoid and stronger than all the other Hollows? (And very rare)

So how come, it says they are hybrids made by forbidden spells?

Does anyone know if there is anything in the Bleach Data Books that states this out right?
Can anybody tell me if it says which method created, each (Arrancar/Vizard) or was it the same method that created both. (Arrancar/Vizard)

I would appreciate it if someone could help me understand this

I would also appreciate it someone could point me to a place where I can read it for myself


What , also has me confused is…It says the Arrancar (whom I think is described in the quotes above) powers exceed both Shinigami and Hollow.

And the Vizards only have …a hollow-like personality will exist inside the Shinigami and come out during dangerous situations to prevent the Shinigami body from dying.

That’s bull. Where did this information come from? We know Ichigo’s Hollow prevented him from dying, but Shinji and the others can call theirs out at will.

So this can’t be the only advantage of the Shinigami, gaining Hollow-like entities.

Aizen said He himself wanted to surpass the limits,(I know that is redundant...sorry) placed on the Shinigami. He didn’t say he only wanted to make
everyone other than HIMSELF, stronger. So …How come, the Shinigami with Hollow-like personality, strength, doesn’t exceed both (Hollow/Shinigami) like its Arrancar brother?

They are BOTH hybrids. Two sides of the same coin, IMO.


Who gave these guys the information for this Hollow Guide anyway…I don’t think it’s correct.

[Dark`]

Please label the thread with a [Manga Spoilers] tag...otherwise anime-only people could come in here and, theoretically, get their experience ruined by spoilers.

I must have missed that. Can someone tell me where in the Manga does it state that there are forbidden spells, that can be used to create Hybrids

If Aizen could have use spells to create Hollow/Arrancar/Shinigami Hybrids. Then how come all he produced were failures? Why would he need the Hougyoku

Didn’t Aizen say that Urahara’s method of creating the Shinigami/Hollow Hybrids, Involved the Hougyoku? (Forget about my second Hougyoku theory…I am talking about the first one)

Didn’t he say that he tried on his own, but all he got were failed experiments?

Didn’t he also say that to break the limits placed on a Shinigami he had to use Urahara’s technique, and in order to do that he had to use the Hougyoku?:confused:
The manga states no such thing, but it was heavily implied, to the best of my recollection, that Aizen did try to create hybrids on his own. As such, it's not a stretch to think that there might be some kind of "forbidden spell" which allows for one to create a hybrid. In the end it didn't work properly it seems, so Aizen was forced to go after the Hyogyoku.

Correct me if I am wrong but, didn’t Hitsugaya say that a Vastoorode is a form of Hollow that is the most humanoid and stronger than all the other Hollows? (And very rare)
The Vastorode is indeed the strongest form of a pure Hollow, which looks the most humanoid when compared to the other types of Menos Grande. It's also speculated by Hitsugaya that the strength of a single Vastorode is above that of any captain.

So how come, it says they are hybrids made by forbidden spells?
It was probably an assumption made on someone's part, unless it was specifically stated in a data book. I lack the ability to understand, as well as access to one, so I can't answer your questions pertaining to the data book.

What , also has me confused is…It says the Arrancar (whom I think is described in the quotes above) powers exceed both Shinigami and Hollow.
That is, for all intents and purposes, correct. There's more to it than that, such as the strength and level of the hollow before it became an Arrancar...but for the most part the statement is in the right.

And the Vizards only have …a hollow-like personality will exist inside the Shinigami and come out during dangerous situations to prevent the Shinigami body from dying.

That’s bull. Where did this information come from? We know Ichigo’s Hollow prevented him from dying, but Shinji and the others can call theirs out at will.
Partially correct. As you mentioned, Ichigo's hollow side has come out at least twice now, in an attempt to both protect Ichigo and to take over as the dominant host. And while we know that the other Vizards are now, after training, capable of controlling their hollow side, we don't know how they were before they were able to control it. They could have very well been like Ichigo, in that their hollow side would only manifest itself when the host was in trouble. It's all speculation on my part as I reiterate that I lack access to a data book (not that I'm sure a data book would explain all of this).

So this can’t be the only advantage of the Shinigami, gaining Hollow-like entities.

Aizen said He himself wanted to surpass the limits,(I know that is redundant...sorry) placed on the Shinigami. He didn’t say he only wanted to make
everyone other than HIMSELF, stronger. So …How come, the Shinigami with Hollow-like personality, strength, doesn’t exceed both (Hollow/Shinigami) like its Arrancar brother?

They are BOTH hybrids. Two sides of the same coin, IMO.
Agreed, they are both hybrids. Gaining a hollow-side is just a facate of it...apparently the merging of the two powers (Shinigami and Hollow) produces a larger power. And from what we've been shown so far, the strength of a Vizard does exceed that of a pure Shinigami or pure Hollow...have you forgotten Ichigo's fight with Byakuya? When his hollow side manifested itself, it was cleaning Byakuya's clock. Same goes for Ichigo/Shinji when they pulled out their mask and fought Grimmjaw (I know he was minus an arm, but still).

Who gave these guys the information for this Hollow Guide anyway…I don’t think it’s correct.
The information, more than likely, consists largely of speculation based on what I've seen, mixed with some facts here and there. I don't want to dismiss them totally...but a lot of it seems like stuff that the website you were reading made up according to their own theories.

[Zu Ra]

I have two crazy theories regarding Urahara , these theories are inter-related and merly on speculation basis .

First Theory : Urahara's Banishment

Till today we are not told about Urahara’s past it’s mostly seedy , What was the apparent reason for Kisuke Banishment from Sendai no Gotei .??

Urahara is well known for trying out his experiments on himself. He tried Tenshintai ( Zanapkuto materializer ) on himself Yoruichi herself mentions it. Urahara invented Hōgyoku… wouldn’t it be possible if indeed Urahara was the first guinea pig to try it whether it was successful like earlier?

Does that mean Urahara is a Vizard? Reasons regarding my speculation

• He can shoot Ceros which only Vizards and Arrancars are capable of ( ie ep 31 )

• He wasn’t surprised one bit when Ichi emerged from the hole with a Hollow Mask (ie ep 19 )

• He cant enter through Senkamon when Yoruichi can ( ie ep 20 )

• He is known for trying his experiments on himself if not how else did he know Hōgyoku was a success



Second Theory :Urahara’s escape


We all know Yoruichi aided Urahara’s escape , were there others like say Isshin and Shiba Kukaku .

Shiba families are one of the noble families how did they fall to grace why were they banished from Seireitei to Ryukognai .Was it related to Urahara’s escape ?

Did Kukaku aid his escape, If you do remember when Yoru and three stooges first come in contact with Kukaku . She does mention I cant say no to Urahara’s friends . She refers Yoruichi as Urahara’s friend , that is a strong indication Yoru knows Kukaku through Urahara .

Isshin knows Urahara extremely well , Isshin knows first hand Ura is training Ichi . How are they friends and they seem like old friends



I have been thinking Kukaku theory from long time and this vizard theory came up after ceros

[BleachOD]

Soorry about the spoilers....my site didn't have them... so I forgot. that was orignally posted in the Manga section (There it's stated there are spoilers...so read at your own risk)

So Geta Boshi. I agree. I have been arguing for a year...with a member for a year that AIZEN and Urahara is a Vizard...I also have a second Hougyoku theory...let me run that by you guys and see what you think.

Thanks Dark for trying to help.... Some things I agree with...even said before.

[LoOnatick]

The theory of Urahara being a Vizard, I never thought of it until now. It does sound relevant though since Urahara is a character shrouded in mysteries. About Ichigo - unlike the other Vizards. The shinigami powers he obtained at the beginning were Rukia's in which he lost after his first fight with Byakuya. Ichigo received help from Urahara on regaining his own Shinigami powers, however, at that same time his inner hollow was created.

[BleachOD]

The theory of Urahara being a Vizard, I never thought of it until now. It does sound relevant though since Urahara is a character shrouded in mysteries. About Ichigo - unlike the other Vizards. The shinigami powers he obtained at the beginning were Rukia's in which he lost after his first fight with Byakuya. Ichigo received help from Urahara on regaining his own Shinigami powers, however, at that same time his inner hollow was created. I will atempt to explain why I believe wholeheartly Aizen is a Vizard and Urahara is a Viz...and there is possibly an a Second Hougyoku...
I am sorry if this is the wrong place...but I am still new and I didn't want to create another thread... If it isn't or I should put spoilers in certain places...Please tell me.

I am running my theory by you guys, because I notice there are a lot of intelligent, and open-minde ppl at this place. So I really want to know your opinion. My other unamed place....thinks I am just trying to glorify Ichigo. I am not (He is glorious anyway...doesnt need my help)

At the time Ichigo lost, regained his powers, and entered SS. Aizen hadn't even aquired the first one yet. Aizen said himself, by the time he discovered the where the Hougyoku was hidden (Where it was hidden, not its existence)...Rukia had already left SS, and he immediately put his plan into action to recover her, and it.

(He also said he couldn't find her at first, because of the Gigai, which is why he ALSO had it recalled, so she couldn't escape in it incase Ichigo did manage to stop the excution...but that is another story)

So even if he knew, of the existence of the second one...Which, he probably did, because I am sure he knew, Byakuya destroyed Ichigo's Soul Sleep and Chain Link, taking his powers. (Yet, he still expected Ichigo to show up)

...Knowing the power of Hougyoku, and it exactly what is was...He had to know (or at least suspect) the only way a former Deathgod could recover his lost powers, or even just get new ones was with the Hougyoku.

He couldn't go after it, because ...A) He hadn't revealed his true nature, nor his motives

B) It is obvious he couldn't just go to the Living World, himself, without an assignment...Because then they would kinda of had a tip off he wasn't what he seemed, or may have met him with resistance, before he could get to it.

C)If it was that easy, he wouldn't have done all that planning and moving certain pawns (I.e killing rm 46. Sending out captain Kuchiki and Renji to retrieve her ...Two ppl who he knew would, put duty before friendship)

(Really, he could have simply grabbed Urahara, by the neck and said "Where you put the F--king, Hougyoku"...and make him run (give up) the Sh-t. Its not like he didn't know where he was.

D) Why go after a second Hougyoku and possibly ruin a GREAT plan, when the first one was all he needed to achieve his goal, and within his grasp.

E) Again,The Time Frame Even If he found out or suspected a second Hougyoku existed, he would have been in the middle of trying to excute Rukia, and retrieve the first one, at the time it was used...so he could not have gone after it. Or should I say he didn't have time...

Aizen said He the only way to sucessfully create a Shingami/Hollow Hybrid, was the method created by Urahara. He was dissatified because he already master all the Shingami fighting styles and could go no further. He wanted to become what we know as a Viazard. And create Arrancars, Hollows with Shingami Powers.

Aizen has to be a Viz because his base form was Shingami soul. And Arracars base form was Hollow.

Urahara has to be a Vizard, because its his method. How else would he know how dangerous it is,and Yourichi said he ALWAYS performed his experments on HIMSELF first

We saw how Ichigo was made. Also Hougyoku translates as "Crumbling Treasure" and Ichgio was put into the "Shattered Shaft" Do you see a connection? It could be a tool. I believe spells were probably invovled and I think it was a bootleg version since time was of the essence and thats why he has trouble controlling it

As far as the location...Only Urahara would know. He could have found a way to destroy it, or at least put it out of comission. Think outside the box.

[Zu Ra]

Actually Aizen is not a Vizard ... Aizen plans to become one using Hogyoku with Tosen and Gin .. We can speculate but factually there is no evidence . Indeed Aizen plans to become a vizard to combat Royal Gaurd and dethrone SS King thats the main reason he needs an army of Arrancars and most importantly Hogyoku

Also Hogyoku is the key to open SS King Dimension

[Zoe]

Also Hogyoku is the key to open SS King Dimension [/FONT]


No, it's not. That's a different device being referred to as the "King's Key."

[Zu Ra]

Yeah but is not Hogyoku the Catlyst ?

[Zoe]

Yeah but is not Hogyoku the Catlyst ?

Nope --

The Hougyoku was only affiliated with one record, the research data compiled on it. However, two days before Aizen escaped, records completely unrelated were also removed.

(in reference to the key)

[Zu Ra]

I know about the key a million mod souls etc etc ... But I always belived Hogyoku was the catlyst to the chain reaction ie SS King Dimension

[Zoe]

I know about the key a million mod souls etc etc ... But I always belived Hogyoku was the catlyst to the chain reaction ie SS King Dimension

It's only a means to the end in that Aizen needed it to get the Hollow forces on his side. There are certainly other ways to fulfill the requirements, so I wouldn't say that the two are inherently related.

[BleachOD]

Actually Aizen is not a Vizard ... Aizen plans to become one using Hogyoku with Tosen and Gin .. We can speculate but factually there is no evidence . Indeed Aizen plans to become a vizard to combat Royal Gaurd and dethrone SS King thats the main reason he needs an army of Arrancars and most importantly Hogyoku

Also Hogyoku is the key to open SS King Dimension Wrong! Also Hogyoku is the key to open SS King Dimension who told you that? Seriously, Aizen used Negashion to escape. Ichigo and Co...went to SS and HM without a Hougyouku.
If that's all it was, would it be considered that dangerous?

It has the power to create beings with unlimited, and dangerous powers. It can a turn a Shinigami or a Hollow into an absurdly powerful, beast. Who can destroy the living and they dead at a whim, nor can it destroyed. That is it's purpose.

There are many ways to travel through dimensions...Urahara didn't waste time creating a key to unlock a door, when there are many keys.

The Hougyoku was the key to sucessfully breaking the limits on Shinigami...Aizen needed to become stronger. So he could stand in the heavens....His words. He wanted to become stronger because He couldnt do it alone. His Shinigami Soul hit a wall...He said this in the Manga and the Anime

He experimented with Hollow Shingami combos...But failed, He needed a method that he could use on himself. His army is nothing more than Ginea pigs

Do you really think he would upgrade Hollows...who would have the potential to overthrow him. But not increase his own power level

Look how easy Tousen took out Grimjow, but got pwned by Zaraki....He is much stronger now...So AIZEN, TOUSEN AND GIN have to be Viz



Arrancars would be stronger than him ...so the only way he could control beings that powerful is to become even stronger than them. That's a Vizard

The Hougyoku was catalyst ....Yes. But he needed it to become stronger. So he would be able to go after the king.


*Say this to the tune of the Old lady who swallowed a fly*

He got, Hougyoku, to get the mask, to become a Vizard, to kidnap the girl. To get to the king....I don't why, You guys cant see it, like I.

[Zu Ra]

Err you are a little confused between Senkaimon and SS King Dimension .. SSKing doesnt reside in Seireitei but in an alternate dimension in Seiretei





SS King


http://img323.imageshack.us/img323/5841/m7bleachch22207yi4.jpg

Chapter 222 page 7

This was an intresting peice of information collected by No Sanin Wa from Bleach chara Book regarding SS King before chapter 222 came out way before

In the Bleach Character Book, they refer to a king that rules Soul Society. No name is given for him, just that Soul Society is ruled by him.

Character Book Info (http://inubros.net/bleach/log/2006/02/bleach-official_character_book_souls.html)
http://s01.imagehost.org/0509/Charbook-small.jpg (http://s01.imagehost.org/0509/Charbook-large.jpg)

Since we have never heard the existence of a king even mentioned in the course of the manga, I seriously wonder if that "king" really exists. Perhaps this he was killed ages ago. Perhaps when Aizen said that noone rules in heaven he was referring to the fact that the king's throne is empty.

This is all just speculation of course, but it does lead one to the amusing speculation that the real reason Ichigo is so ridiculously powerful is because he is descended from (or reincarnated from) the vanished King of Soul Society. Real? Who knows. It is just an amusing thought.

If someone could translate this picture, I would be grateful:
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4296/bleachbooklist7zf.jpg

If anyone wants to comment with something that is only in the manga (you know what I mean), then make sure to use spoiler tags:
Manga r0x0r5

Thread link : SS King (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=28848&highlight=soul+society+king)




Its not about seeing like you do we all know Aizen is going to become a Vizard , but till its mentioned or appears in manga we can only speculate he has become or not . Lets say he has become a Vizard are there any facts to back us up , we have reasons not facts . I am in agreement he will become a Vizard but we cant say for sure when =)

[WarpObscura]

There is one thing I am unclear about...

We have seen that Ichigo has had to fight Shirosaki/Hichigo/Whatever-He's-Calling-Himself-Now to gain control over the Hollow powers. Did this apply to the other Vizards? Do Arrancar need to crush their Shinigami halves in order to wield their power or is their Shinigami side too "civil" to attempt wresting control?

[Zu Ra]

We have seen that Ichigo has had to fight Shirosaki/Hichigo/Whatever-He's-Calling-Himself-

You forgot Vichigo , I think he doesnt call himself anything guess we call him all that . Retro : he was just called by us as Clone Hollow :)

Now to gain control over the Hollow powers. Did this apply to the other Vizards? Do Arrancar need to crush their Shinigami halves in order to wield their power or is their Shinigami side too "civil" to attempt wresting control?

Yes in case of Vizards its true, Arrancars I dont know . Actually for a perfectally balanced Vizard like Shinji or Hiyori , the hollow and the shinigami side are in perfect balance .

I mean remember ep 38/39 the Zangestu world had Clone hollow and Zangestu , thats what I meant by a perfect balance . For a vizard the Clone Hollow side and Shinigami side ( ie Zangestu ) are in perfect balance without one super imposing the other . If one side is more dominant you are more likely to have that side's powers more ( Vichigo ) or ( Shinigami Ichigo ).

Ichigo has no idea he is a Vizard he thinks / he belives he is a Shinigami . And his inablity to control clone hollow side results in his hollow becoming more dominant at the end taking over Zangestu world . The Vizard Inc teach him how to control his hollow side but only for 13 seconds in combat .

Genrally for a Vizard the Shinigami side is more dominant and for an Arrancar the Hollow side

[Zu Ra]

Ichigo with his Hollow side Maxed Out

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/3641/222hichigobydedalnx4.th.jpg (http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=222hichigobydedalnx4.jpg)

[Dark`]

Yes in case of Vizards its true, Arrancars I dont know . Actually for a perfectally balanced Vizard like Shinji or Hiyori , the hollow and the shinigami side are in perfect balance .

I mean remember ep 38/39 the Zangestu world had Clone hollow and Zangestu , thats what I meant by a perfect balance . For a vizard the Clone Hollow side and Shinigami side ( ie Zangestu ) are in perfect balance without one super imposing the other . If one side is more dominant you are more likely to have that side's powers more ( Vichigo ) or ( Shinigami Ichigo ).

Ichigo has no idea he is a Vizard he thinks / he belives he is a Shinigami . And his inablity to control clone hollow side results in his hollow becoming more dominant at the end taking over Zangestu world . The Vizard Inc teach him how to control his hollow side but only for 13 seconds in combat .

Genrally for a Vizard the Shinigami side is more dominant and for an Arrancar the Hollow side



Where exactly did you find this information? I don't recall seeing that in the manga at all, only Shinji mentioning the fact that "The only way to push down a hollow... is by crushing it down into the very core of your soul." I've yet to see any true signs of the other Vizards having their hollow and shinigami sides in perfect balance. It's a reasonable assumption, I'm just wondering if you have anything to back it up, or if it really is just an assumption.

[Zu Ra]

Partly facts / partly assumption let me explain... What is a Vizard ? Vizard is super breed between a shinigami and a hollow with shinigami side slightly more dominant . Or in other word a Shinigami who has gained hollow powers

Let me substantiate with Ichigo , a shinigami powers are personified by his Zanapakuto . Initially when Ichigo's hollow side is totally passive only Zangestu is seen . When his Hollow side becomes active the Clone hollow along with Zangestu is seen this is the median. When his hollow side becomes far more active than his shinigami side, only clone hollow is seen in Zangestu World (chptr 217,218,219).

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/6849/m7bleachch21801lb3.jpg

The point of this was, a Vizard is a mix of shinigami/hollow ... Balance is achieved only when both sides are active with the shinigami side being slightly more active as Ichi or Vizards are Shinigami to begin with If the Hollow side takes over we see Vichigo

I've yet to see any true signs of the other Vizards having their hollow and shinigami sides in perfect balance.

Well if they did not, would Shinji be able to manipulate his hollow side to fight Grim. I mean unlike Vichigo, Shinji is in control. He is manipulating the hollow side clearly that’s what I meant by balance. But off course the shinigami side is going to be more in control always .

Same goes for Arrancar but their Hollow side is more dominant.


EDIT : The Balance was in refferance to Zanpakuto World

[Dark`]

Partly facts / partly assumption let me explain... What is a Vizard ? Vizard is super breed between a shinigami and a hollow with shinigami side slightly more dominant . Or in other word a Shinigami who has gained hollow powers
Shinigami who gained hollow powers, correct. However, it's never been said specifically that the shinigami side is more dominant. The only thing we know for sure is that Vizards, generally speaking, were shinigami first and then gained hollow powers, just like Arrancars were hollow first and then gained shinigami powers.

However, I agree with your argument simply because, as seen from Ichigo's attempt to control his hollow, it seems as if a shinigami who gained hollow powers but loses dominance to it (king and his horse reference) can theoretically become an Arrancar.

The point of this was, a Vizard is a mix of shinigami/hollow ... Balance is achieved only when both sides are active with the shinigami side being slightly more active as Ichi or Vizards are Shinigami to begin with If the Hollow side takes over we see Vichigo
Oh, you mean that kind of balance. I wouldn't really call it balance. You see, the balance you spoke of originally gave me the impression that both sides were working in harmony, as allies or whatnot.

Well if they did not, would Shinji be able to manipulate his hollow side to fight Grim. I mean unlike Vichigo, Shinji is in control. He is manipulating the hollow side clearly that’s what I meant by balance. But off course the shinigami side is going to be more in control always .
Shinji does not need the hollow to work in harmony with him in order for him to draw out its power. Again, by balance, I thought you meant harmony. If by balance you simply meant that the shinigami and hollow's powers are both being used at the same time, then yeah. But like I said again, by balance, I thought you meant harmony. I mean, as of this point, even Ichigo can manipulate his hollow side, he just needs more training in order to keep his mask out longer. But that doesn't mean he's in perfect harmony with his hollow....after all, his hollow made certain to let him know that he'd overtake Ichigo at the slightest sign of weakness.

[Zu Ra]

Yeah I was not specific on Balance I was using it to the pretext of Zanapkuto World , which lead to the confusion ^^

Edit :
However, I agree with your argument simply because, as seen from Ichigo's attempt to control his hollow, it seems as if a shinigami who gained hollow powers but loses dominance to it (king and his horse reference) can theoretically become an Arrancar.

Yeah a Vizard whose hollow side is more dominant like the last form of Ichigo in Vizard Basement
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/3641/222hichigobydedalnx4.jpg
Basement yet again , first Shoten basemnt then Vizard Basement , whats Bleach Universe's obcession with Basements

[NoSanninWa]

Good post Geta Boshi. Incidently I have mulled over exactly what the difference is between a vizard and a arancar. We were told that an arancar is a hollow that removed its mask while a vizard is a shinigami that put on a mask, but I think that was overly simplified and we might find out differently later on. After all, that picture was undeniably an arancar. If Ichigo can transform into an arancar than we know that the relevant detail is actually where the balance lays. This balance might prove to be an extremely important element.

This leads me to speculate that someone who is perfectly balanced between shinigami and hollow would have the greatest strength, able to use either shinigami techniques or hollow powers at will. This is probably the ultimate use of the hyougouko that requires Aizen to practice by creating all these arancar first.

Vizard is super breed between a shinigami and a hollow with shinigami side slightly more dominant .The word you meant to use is "hybrid." A vizard is a hybrid between a shinigami and a hollow.

[Zu Ra]

This leads me to speculate that someone who is perfectly balanced between shinigami and hollow would have the greatest strength, able to use either shinigami techniques or hollow powers at will. This is probably the ultimate use of the hyougouko that requires Aizen to practice by creating all these arancar first.

Earlier when numeros info came out there was an argument about the class Vastorode/Gillian . But recently with HQ Quality I was wrong I can concur

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/1551/bleachhqsf2.jpg

The current crop of Numeros including Espada are of only Gillian class .. Vastordes arrancar have not been made yet . And the orignal sexta Grim and Shinji have not even gone to first release and shikai yet . Their respective second release/bankai would be a true coefficent or the true power of hybrids .

Just consider Vastorde Espada release or Hiyori's bankai that would be a treat to watch

The word you meant to use is "hybrid." A vizard is a hybrid between a shinigami and a hollow.

Yep .. ^^

[Varis]

maybe I'm not seeing it... but uraharas toy the hyougouko was supposedly not working yet... so how is aizen turning all those hollows into arrancar?

I know aizens crew is not just a bunch of rare hollows that put off their mask (came out of the closet?) because we saw grand fisher come back with a sword on his back.


so is the damn thing working or not?

[NoSanninWa]

It has been said that the hyougouko isn't working perfectly yet, but it isn't powerless. We haven't been told the exact difference between what Aizen is doing and what he wants to do. That's why I speculate that it will be able to create a being perfectly balanced between vizard and arancar.

[Zu Ra]

maybe I'm not seeing it... but uraharas toy the hyougouko was supposedly not working yet... so how is aizen turning all those hollows into arrancar?

With double taicho Level Leatsu he can make Hogyoku work and create arrancars . Aizen demonstrates it using Hogyoku while creating Wonderwice Margera

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8e/Maljera.jpg
I know aizens crew is not just a bunch of rare hollows that put off their mask (came out of the closet?) because we saw grand fisher come back with a sword on his back.
GrandFishcer was turned into an imperfect arrancar by Iceringer and is later used by Aizen as an experimental subject for the Hōgyoku. Other Imperfect Arrancars created by Aizen even before getting Hogyoku while in SS : Kaien's Hollow and also the Hollow that attacked Momo , Renji , Kira and Shuhei


Edit

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/519/m7bleachch22915mt7.jpg

[freakabcd]

Earlier when numeros info came out there was an argument about the class Vastorode/Gillian . But recently with HQ Quality I was wrong I can concur

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/1551/bleachhqsf2.jpg

The current crop of Numeros including Espada are of only Gillian class .. Vastordes arrancar have not been made yet . And the orignal sexta Grim and Shinji have not even gone to first release and shikai yet . Their respective second release/bankai would be a true coefficent or the true power of hybrids .

Just consider Vastorde Espada release or Hiyori's bankai that would be a treat to watch


err.. who and when did anyone say the current espadas are _all_ gillian? Did you forget that there are Gillian -> Adjucas -> Vastrode (in terms of power level) hollows?

[Zu Ra]

But certainly not Vastorodes , there was an assumption earlier some were vastorodes among espada namely Grim and Ulqi

[freakabcd]

But certainly not Vastorodes , there was an assumption earlier some were vastorodes among espada namely Grim and Ulqi

Ok. The way you put it felt like you were saying its either Gillian or Vastrode (nothing else). Also, we are not certain about adjucas among the Espada. To clarify the previous sentence: we don't know if #10 is an adjucas or just a very strong gillian. Or is it implied by Aizen that there are no gillians in the espada when he says 'They are only gillian' in that screencapture in a few posts earlier?

My speculation is that #1 (maybe #2 as well) is most likely a vastrode.

[Zu Ra]

Well seing the vast diffrence in power comaparing Luppi/Yammi ( first release ) to Ulqi/Grim ( no release) there were assumptions/speculations that the espada may consist of mixed classes of Arrancarnized Menos and Ulqi/Grim may be Vastode class .I too presumed that they were .

But according to this Info its not true Aizens plans to build another espada so called Perfected Espada consisting of only Vastorde class Arrancar

EDIT : Can it be that Ulqi/Grim are Adjucas class Arrancarnized Menos ??

[freakabcd]

Well seing the vast diffrence in power comaparing Luppi/Yammi ( first release ) to Ulqi/Grim ( no release) there were assumptions/speculations that the espada may consist of mixed classes of Arrancarnized Menos and Ulqi/Grim may be Vastode class .I too presumed that they were .

But according to this Info its not true Aizens plans to build another espada so called Perfected Espada consisting of only Vastorde class Arrancar

EDIT : Can it be that Ulqi/Grim are Adjucas class Arrancarnized Menos ??

Well, thats what I was getting at. #1 (and maybe #2) are vastrode, the rest adjucas (given the huge power difference) and maybe the last 1 or 2 (#9, #10) are very strong gillians.

[kagato3]

I belive we can safely say Grim is an Adjucas as Urahara told Ishida that the Arrancars that had come to earth with Grim were a mix of Gillians and Adjucas.

There are strong hints that Ulqi is a Vastrode and is Espada #1. (image of a Vastrode looks like him with a full mask, seems to be Aziens right hand hollow, setting in the spot #1 should be if the Espada were setting in order)

[WarpObscura]

You forgot Vichigo , I think he doesnt call himself anything guess we call him all that . Retro : he was just called by us as Clone Hollow :)

You mean the one that appeared in the Vizard Basement while Ichigo was fighting Shirosaki?



Yes in case of Vizards its true, Arrancars I dont know . Actually for a perfectally balanced Vizard like Shinji or Hiyori , the hollow and the shinigami side are in perfect balance .

I mean remember ep 38/39 the Zangestu world had Clone hollow and Zangestu , thats what I meant by a perfect balance . For a vizard the Clone Hollow side and Shinigami side ( ie Zangestu ) are in perfect balance without one super imposing the other . If one side is more dominant you are more likely to have that side's powers more ( Vichigo ) or ( Shinigami Ichigo ).

Ichigo has no idea he is a Vizard he thinks / he belives he is a Shinigami . And his inablity to control clone hollow side results in his hollow becoming more dominant at the end taking over Zangestu world . The Vizard Inc teach him how to control his hollow side but only for 13 seconds in combat .

Genrally for a Vizard the Shinigami side is more dominant and for an Arrancar the Hollow side

I cannot remember the Zangetsu world with both Zangetsu and Shirosaki. Could you please spare a scan?

I suppose then that in order to draw on his full power and thus do the crazy stuff "Vichigo" could like insane regeneration speed, Ichigo will have to achieve this "perfect" balance. Is this right?

[Zu Ra]

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/4749/bleach3912zp1.th.jpg (http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bleach3912zp1.jpg) http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/4421/bleach3910dh9.th.jpg (http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bleach3910dh9.jpg)

Vichigo == Vizard + Ichigo ,somewhat like the term Hichigo . Clone Hollow Vs Ichigo in Zangestu world with Zanegstu still exsisitant

Bleach-39 (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2005/07/05/bleach-39/)

[WarpObscura]

Should it not be Arichigo or something like that, given that the Ichigo with the fast-regenerating claw arms seems more like an Arrancar than a Vizard?

I see the thumbnails... So it did not occur in the manga, is that the case? Do remind me.

[Zu Ra]

Should it not be Arichigo or something like that, given that the Ichigo with the fast-regenerating claw arms seems more like an Arrancar than a Vizard?

No that condition is Hollow Ichi tottaly in control of Ichi . Whats happening in Zangestu world has a direct influence on Ichigo . The Clone Hollow had taken over Zangetsu world thus the effect in Real World ie Hollow Ichi to the Max

I see the thumbnails... So it did not occur in the manga, is that the case? Do remind me.

It happened in the manga and the anime (ep 39) I dont remember manga chapter but I can get back to you on that

[WarpObscura]

Oh, okay, I think I understand better what you mean. Thanks for the clarification.

[LoOnatick]

This leads me to speculate that someone who is perfectly balanced between shinigami and hollow would have the greatest strength, able to use either shinigami techniques or hollow powers at will. This is probably the ultimate use of the hyougouko that requires Aizen to practice by creating all these arancar first.

You know, after reading your theory, it hit me.

Vizard - A hybrid between shinigami and hollow in which the shinigami side stays dominant. At this point, I'm thinking. Since the shinigami side stays dominant, the Vizards do not possess the full potential ability of the hollow.

Arrancar - A hybrid between hollow and shinigami in which the hollow side stays dominant. Since the hollow side stays dominant, the Arrancars do not possess the full potential ability of a shinigami (Which would probably explain their unusual release). However, since none of the Espadas have shown their release (Except for Luppi/Ruppi) we don't know their abilities.

So what does this mean? One who is in perfect balance between shinigami and hollow, a perfect hybrid (Like Ichigo for instance) holds the most power. If the 2 theories above are true ("if") then that means this perfect hybrid would hold the true potential abilities of both shinigami and hollow.

This is just a theory that hit me after reading this quote XD. Probably some one had already post it.

[BleachOD]

Although Ichigo looks like an arrancar in that pic.

I don't think he can transform into and Arrancar type. I think that he almost turned into a hollow once again (Like the time when he got his own powers)
It peeled off of him, I believe that is what Ichigo would have turned into had W'Ichigo won. But he didn't so Ichigo retained the mask but did not become a full blown hollow.

To me Arrancar and Vizards are the same, a blend of Shinigami and Hollows

Vizards,while gaining a Hollow still retain their humanity
Arrancars, while gaining shingami power and are no longer beings of instinct, are still devoid of humanity.

I just thought of something what if one those Hollow's were shingami before they became hollows, and were later turned into arrancar?

I do believe that Ulq is a Vastrode....He looks the most human and doesn't really have a mask...it looks more like a helmet. Also that Ukitake triplet (There is a Shinigami one, a Vizard one and now and Arrancar) Looks very Human so I think he may be a Vastrode too


As far as Aizen goes...He has to be a Vizard! No way would a someone as diabolical as he is...going to create beings that are stronger then himself.
And if he isn't and can't create anything that is stronger than himself...The what the hell does he need the Hougyoku for?

I belive Tousen and the other's are his guinea pigs, but He used it on himself too.

Urahara has to be one...He created it, He always tried experiments on himself first...it had to have been a sucess...I belive he made the others as well. (They may even be former squad members)

Gin, the verdict is still out ...because in the Manga he seems more like Aizen's eqaul than suboordinate.

I think that he may be the manipulative, sneaky type that may let Aizen think he is the boss, when all the time he has a plan and is the real bad ass (That's just wishful thinking I know...but I like Gin)

[The Small One]

Urahara has to be one...He created it, He always tried experiments on himself first...
:twitch: Why do you think this? IMHO there is no hint whatsoever, that Urahara tried any of his experiments on his own.
Did he try his power-absorbing Gigai and became powerless? Doesn't look this way. :)

[Half Demon]

First Theory : Urahara's Banishment

wouldn’t it be possible if indeed Urahara was the first guinea pig to try it whether it was successful like earlier?

it could be true because as u said that he wasnt surprised one bit when he saw ichigo in a hollow form, probably the same thing happened to urahara when he used hogoko on himself. he knew that ichigo might turn half death god/hollow because resistence to become complete hollow would end u up in half death god and hollow. we dont know exactly about urahara since he was genius.

[Half Demon]

[QUOTE]First Theory : Urahara's Banishment

Quote byGeta Boshi :
wouldn’t it be possible if indeed Urahara was the first guinea pig to try it whether it was successful like earlier?

it could be true because as u said that he wasnt surprised one bit when he saw ichigo in a hollow form, probably the same thing happened to urahara when he used hogoko on himself. he knew that ichigo might turn half death god/hollow because resistence to become complete hollow would end u up in half death god and hollow. we dont know exactly about urahara since he was genius.

[Half Demon]

[QUOTE=Geta Boshi;714920][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]
I have two crazy theories regarding Urahara , these theories are inter-related and merly on speculation basis .

First Theory : Urahara's Banishment

[spoiler=manga]Till today we are not told about Urahara’s past it’s mostly seedy , What was the apparent reason for Kisuke Banishment from Sendai no Gotei .??

Urahara is well known for trying out his experiments on himself. He tried Tenshintai ( Zanapkuto materializer ) on himself Yoruichi herself mentions it. Urahara invented Hōgyoku… wouldn’t it be possible if indeed Urahara was the first guinea pig to try it whether it was successful like earlier?

[it could be true because as u said that he wasnt surprised one bit when he saw ichigo in a hollow form, probably the same thing happened to urahara when he used hogoko on himself. he knew that ichigo might turn half death god/hollow because resistence to become complete hollow would end u up in half death god and hollow. we dont know exactly about urahara since he was genius.

[Half Demon]

my computer got freezed and kept on clicking submit reply

srry

[Faitchen5]

There's no solid proof that Ichigo is a vizard. Or either, for that matter. It's not simply taking off your mask as you're becoming an hollow that makes it happen. As stated, a Device is needed to do a successful union of the tower. To create the hybrid. Ichigo didn't have a device used on him. And knowing how to use the device would be necisare to make it happen. Remember that Ichigo's family has had weird things happen with them as well. One of his sisters can see ghosts, and talk with them, like ichigo. The other can sense them.

There are different ways to create that, or atleast it has been eluded that there is, however ichigo seems to be more like the reincarnation of the two. As has quite literrally been smacked in our face, ichigo is the reincarnation of the Vice Captain of Rikuia's regiment. He was turned into a hybrid, or something very similar, before being killed. This leads us to believe that as such, it's possable he was reincarnated or perhaps cloned, as ichigo.

Now, ichigo's hollow side is never seen before a certain point. Why? because when she gave him her powers, it was death god powers. Yes, nothing in a sense that would wake up both sides of his abilities. However, waking up his innate abilities could have woken up his hollow side as well, when he tried to activate his own powers and not just use hers because he got his butt kicked.

It is possable, that while ichigo is nearly the same as the others, he is something different. He was born how he is, it's not something a device did to him. He has always been extremely powerful, but after the fighting to not become a hollow, IE awakening both sides, he was going head to head with straw hat boy, when he should have been exhausted.

It is also shown that he is strong as a vizard, perhaps stronger then normal.

Basically, it is possable he is more of a mmm, natrual unison of the two, the rules may not be the same for him. The basics might be, but somehow i doubt that it is the same. There is plenty of proof that there was no device used, but that the hollow was connected to him originally, not because he nearly became a hollow. If that was true, then anyone could have done it, literally. Azien wouldn't have needed the device, at all. The others are likely part of the original experiment, and perhaps they are the reason straw hat was bannished, not him making himself a Vizard.

The two children with him are also likely part of his experiments. He says that they are as strong as death gods, however that they are not. They are not quincy, so what are they? I'm sure he doesn't try all of his experiments on himself first, but i don't think they'd be forced on other people.

The Vizards that we see are likely those that volunteered, in secret, to under go the experiment. However the expirement wasn't sanctioned by SS, so, when there were issues, and people weren't seen for a time, and straw hat tried to correct them, he was discovered. or perhaps they got out, originally, and that is how rukia's first VC died, by one of straw hats experiments that went wrong.

[Zu Ra]

There's no solid proof that Ichigo is a vizard. .

Is that a Typos Error or are you Serious ???

[Faitchen5]

vizards as has been strongly implied dont' happen in nature. that's why a device was made to make them. I'm saying ichigo is likely the same and different then the other guys. I think he was born that way, not made that way, and thus he is different. Trying to define him you could put him into the vizard catagory, however I think he's something different that is just very similar.

[Zu Ra]

Actually there are natural Vizzards like Ichigo . We have seen natural non Hogyoku based Arrancars GrandFisher . Hogyoku allows a an already exsisiting Shinigami/Hollow to become Vizard/Arrancar . If your just a soul you have 4 options depenending on your creation

Hollow
Shinigami
Arrancar
Vizard

Hogyoku comes into play when you are already a Shingami/Hollow

EDIT : If your saying about Ichigo's abilities the only thing specuial about him is he is an Ocean of Soul Power .. other than that he is no diffrent

[Zu Ra]

Also note Your theory maybe true I am not contradicting the theory in Genral . Only that I am not in agreement with this statement and the resoning behind it

There's no solid proof that Ichigo is a vizard. .

[Lendial]

Ichigo is a vizard in by the current assumed definition but imo, he will eventualy become the perfect 50/50 hybrid(after all he is the main protagonist) aizen so desperately seeks to create or/and become. Hes all natural unlike human-like arrancar, though youd have to make the assumption that shinji and the gang were artificialy created.

very good thread, the most interesting ive seen in a while.

[Half Demon]

Ichigo is a vizard in by the current assumed definition but imo, he will eventualy become the perfect 50/50 hybrid(after all he is the main protagonist) aizen so desperately seeks to create or/and become. Hes all natural unlike human-like arrancar, though youd have to make the assumption that shinji and the gang were artificialy created.

very good thread, the most interesting ive seen in a while.

well its easy to say ichigo is vizard but atleast give us tiny bit proof or any of yours theory.

[kagato3]

I hope you're not debateing that Ichigo is not a vizard as it has been stated flat out that he is by the other vizards.

vizard: a shinigami that is part hollow and able to summon a mask.

Ichigo: a shinigami that is part hollow and able to summon a mask.

Ichigo = vizard

[Half Demon]

I hope you're not debateing that Ichigo is not a vizard as it has been stated flat out that he is by the other vizards.

vizard: a shinigami that is part hollow and able to summon a mask.

Ichigo: a shinigami that is part hollow and able to summon a mask.

Ichigo = vizard

i dont read manga. if it is stated in the manga then he is a vizard but we wanna know if urahara is a vizard or not.

[kagato3]

i dont read manga. if it is stated in the manga then he is a vizard but we wanna know if urahara is a vizard or not.

Fair enuff, but given that this is a manga thread most people are assumed to have some knowlage about what is going on to with in the last few chapters and Ichigo is a Vizard is real old news, people aren't likely to post proof on what is blindingly apperent, like water is wet, the sky is blue most of the time, fire burns, or Ichigo is a Vizard:D
As for Urahara's status as a Vizard, we have no in info at all. He doesn't seem to be in contact with the known Vizards although the Vizards are very well informed about what has been happening in SS durring the SS arc.

[BleachOD]

Damn! Too much to answer right now.(trust me I will and it will procbably be long) But, I just want to say this

Urahara had to create the Viz and I think it was he who sent to them to train Ichigo.They were very familiar with Ichigo. they didn't just sense he was a Viz, they knew he was one. He is a Viz.

How else would they know things about Ichigo? i.e How fast he got his Bankai.

There is no proof, but it makes a hell of alot of sense...Urahara has to be a Vizard. (Aizen too)

Is it Vizard or Vaizard? I keep on seeing both;which one is it?

[kagato3]

Is it Vizard or Vaizard? I keep on seeing both;which one is it?

I'm not sure there is an offical spelling yet. It seems to be based on the word visor and may have been ment to be visored

[Zoe]

There is no proof, but it makes a hell of alot of sense...Urahara has to be a Vizard. (Aizen too)

I don't agree about Aizen. It makes sense for Urahara because he was the one focusing on the Shinigami->Hollow path, but Aizen was always focusing on the Hollow->Shinigami path. He wouldn't have experimented on Shinigami, much less himself.

[WarpObscura]

I'm not sure there is an offical spelling yet. It seems to be based on the word visor and may have been ment to be visored

In Shakespeare's Macbeth, Macbeth says "And make our faces vizards to our hearts" in Act Three Scene Two. There would seem to be a legitimate basis for choosing "vizard" as the spelling, although, with these sort of things, you never really know until the official info comes out.

[AmbiDextrose]

In Shakespeare's Macbeth, Macbeth says "And make our faces vizards to our hearts" in Act Three Scene Two. There would seem to be a legitimate basis for choosing "vizard" as the spelling, although, with these sort of things, you never really know until the official info comes out.

"Vizard" is a very Old English term that means "mask".

[NoSanninWa]

Interesting, but I still think that Tite intended it to be "Visored" which means simply wearing a visor (face guard).

[jianfish]

I think that Urahara is definitely more than a Shinigami. I highly suspect he is at least a vizard or something more at least. He doesn't even really need to go into Shikai to defeat those arrancar.

Somehow I wonder if Bleach is gonna end in this current Arc? Whats after Aizen?

[Lendial]

i guess the next super badguy magicaly appears out of nowhere

or they could expand the aizen arc and finish bleach with just that

[Zu Ra]

Somehow I wonder if Bleach is gonna end in this current Arc? Whats after Aizen?

Not after current HM Arc much much later not until all the Taichos have shown their Bankai.. :D

After Aizen depending on popularity of Bleach there may be a season 3 or If Kubo feels artistically confined he may discontinue ....

[Zu Ra]

Urahara cancelled Yami's cero with Benihime , to counter a cero you need a cero ( Shinji Vs Grim ) or lot of reatsu like Ichi ( Pre SS ) . Urahara doesnt have that much reatsu and isnt a hybrid to shoot a cero . Makes you wonder isnt it about trying Hogyoku on himself

[Junni]

i think ichigo already got his hollow inside since the beginnen ...
when he fought renji for the first time his hollow controlled ichigo for the first time but in a weaker state... since SS his hollow grows stronger and stronger...

[Zu Ra]

Ichigo had the hollow inside him from day 1 as soon as he came out out of Ura's pit . Ichigo is NOT a shinigami but a Vizard . As Ichi's shinigami's side was more powerful the hollow side remained dormant

Vizard == Shinigami + Hollow ( With Shinigami side more active hence no hole but Mask <v> )

Arrancar == Hollow + Shinigami ( With Hollow side more active hence the hole Mask and Zanapkuto <s> )

[Supaiku_of_Sand]

can anyone tell me how the hell can Urahara, pull out his zompakto while he is still in a gigai? how is that possible? i mean he has a physical body and yet he has access to his soul slayer? What the hell is that?

[Zu Ra]

There are 3 known Gigais two have been shown the third is what you speak off . Its shown in the manga during Yami Vs Urahara

[Supaiku_of_Sand]

i mean why doesnt urahara have on the reg. sinagami shit? the kimono and the other stuff? how come he can use his his zampakto without coming out of his gigai?

[NoSanninWa]

Maybe he wears unusual garb in his shinigami state. That might have been his shinigami form. It seems far more likely that he can change his clothing than that he'd have full fighting power in some gigai.

[Lendial]

his coat actualy resembles a captains coat a bit.

what about his lovar tho? is yourichi currently in a gigai when she smacked yammi around.

[Zu Ra]

i mean why doesnt urahara have on the reg. sinagami shit? the kimono and the other stuff? how come he can use his his zampakto without coming out of his gigai?

Though I dont remember him ever wearing a Kimono but if you say so I take your word ... :D Its been discussed in Q&A thread by me Small One and Blueinkalchemist I will just use that


Urahara is a Shinigami so he is basically a Konpakku (soul) . Urahara's gigai is quite unique it allows him to acess his shinigami powers whilst in it .While the other Gigais shinigamis use donot allow this . That brings the Gigai Type count to three

* Reatsu Inhibiting Gigai : Rukia

* Normal Gigai

*Inflatable combat Gigai which allows the user to acess his Shinigami powers

No it isnt his Reatsu just his specality Gigai which he uses in combat and also for daily use

[NoSanninWa]

s yourichi currently in a gigai when she smacked yammi around.

As far as we know Yoruichi has never worn a gigai.

[Zu Ra]

As far as we know Yoruichi has never worn a gigai.

Yeah true I was thinking just that in Human Form just maybe we can speculate . But in the cat form I dont think there is a speciality Neko Gigai :D

[astrallionheart]

Maybe some Shinigami are capable of using their powers in a gigai? I mean souls are corporeal in Bleach, so I mean, I don't see how a gigai is anything more than just an additional set of clothing on your true self. Quincy and humans like Inoue and Chad are fighting while not in a "spirit" form.

I think they sort of screwed up to start with by making Ichigo the only guy who had to jump out of his "real" body to fight (Rukia was fully capable of casting spells and doing fairly superhuman activities, while weakened and in a gigai). I think Kubo Tite started it off with it being a "cool" concept of jumping out of your physical body to do fights with spiritual forces, while in your own spirit form. The problem was...everything was corporeal, so it was a pointless transition.

[Zu Ra]

It would be too early to say simply coz Rukia was given a diffrent type of Gigai not the standard one .