Death Note Episode 4 Discussion / Poll

[Catgirls]

Welcome to the discussion thread for Death Note, Episode 4!

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[Catgirls]

The thread is up before the episode has aired for anyone that wants to speculate about the next episode. Also, please watch your Manga spoilers. Use spoiler tags and mark them clearly.

Thanks tons. Cheers! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/Mousefinger/Misc/catgirl.gif

[Dark`]

The thread is up before the episode has aired for anyone that wants to speculate about the next episode. Also, please people, watch your Manga spoilers. Use spoiler tags and mark them clearly.

Thanks tons. Cheers! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/Mousefinger/Misc/catgirl.gif

Eh? That's somewhat different than the rules in the Naruto/Bleach/etc discussion threads... :eyebrow:

Anyways...it's probably gonna be another awesome episode. Based on the anime's progression compared to the manga, looks like it's going to be filled with spills, chills and... *tries to think of something else that rhymes* ...frills? :uhoh:

Well...I guess I should clarify: we'd rather not have ANY Manga spoilers in the Anime threads, but ... since this show has such an insane manga following, it seems that it's sometimes impossible to keep them all out. Sooo....all I'm suggesting is that if you can help it, keep manga spoilers out of the episode threads, but if you absolutly must use a manga spoiler to make a point, then label it properly and hide it behind spoiler tags or risk being banned. Better yet, don't post it and send it to the person in a PM.

Cheers. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/Mousefinger/Misc/catgirl.gif

Ah... :heh: Well, I have been doing my best in that regard...I even used spoiler tags in the manga discussion thread (paranoid much?) >_> But seeing as how the manga was released so much earlier and, as you put it, has such an insane following, it would undoubtedly be difficult. Meh, whatever, no further inquiries from me on this topic. :p

[Catgirls]

Eh? That's somewhat different than the rules in the Naruto/Bleach/etc discussion threads... :eyebrow: Well...I guess I should clarify: we'd rather not have ANY Manga spoilers in the Anime threads, but ... since this show has such an insane manga following, it seems that it's sometimes impossible to keep them all out. Sooo....all I'm suggesting is that if you can help it, keep manga spoilers out of the episode threads, but if you absolutly must use a manga spoiler to make a point, then label it properly and hide it behind spoiler tags or risk being banned. Better yet, don't post it and send it to the person in a PM.

Cheers. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/Mousefinger/Misc/catgirl.gif

[IchiKyo]

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RAW 4 Images

[Dagger]

Thanks for the link! The art quality looks really good for this episode... I'm betting that it'll be exciting. :)

[IchiKyo]

I wonder know why 2chan add Haruhi pic? Aya Hirano finally Dub on this Ep? O_O

[Dark`]

I wonder know why 2chan add Haruhi pic? Aya Hirano finally Dub on this Ep? O_O

Doubtful...based on how faithfully they're following the manga. That and we saw no sign of her appearance in the preview. =x Pics were probably posted just because a lot of people are itching to hear her voice another character, especially after the insane following that Haruhi has garnered. /shrugs

[Omniscient]

Episode 04 Screencaps and Summary (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2006/10/24/death-note-04/)

I loved this episode because it shows how great Light is at planning things out. It was very exciting to watch even though I knew how it was going to turn out.

[Srin Tuar]

ep4

So the death note does have some limitations after all: things have to stay realistic.
(sortof ironic for something thats not in any way realistic in and of itself)

Raito's scheme to get the name of the agent following him pretty clever, but I can't help but think it is stupid. The guy following him had already decided that he wasnt a likely suspect, then all the sudden all kinds of crazy stuff starts happening.

If he kills the investigater right away, then it becomes sortof obvious that he died while following laito, making laito look more suspicious. If he doesnt kill the investigator, then the guy will report that all kinds of crazy stuff happened when he was tailing raito.

In comparison to all the other people they are tailing, the only one with such outlandish events happening in either case is him. all the other people they are investigating must be damn boring. He has only succeeded in drawing attention to himself. dumb, imo. Why not just let the guy go about his business?

The other thing i thought was out of place was that the guy was FBI. CIA or Interpol or something, I might believe it. But an FBI field agent? In Japan?

[dxgarten]

Episode 04 screencaps and impression (http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/archives/death_note_ep04.html)

A very good episode which shows Light manipulating his victim through a rather complex circumstance involving an FBI agent.

[Codex]

Wow ... the bus ride really delivered. I was a bit worried about the effect being spoiled, since people were dropping manga hints left and right, but I really didn't quite imagine him to get that creative. Using paper from the Death Note was a masterful touch.

From the wicked glee I got from watching Light in action in this episode, I'm going to stop worrying about why Light just wouldn't leave well enough alone, and simply admire his devious machinations.

[Shiroth]

I loved this episode because it shows how great Light is at planning things out. It was very exciting to watch even though I knew how it was going to turn out.
Gotta agree with you there - most of the fun watching the anime for me is knowing what shall happen, and seeing it in animated with music. <3

Next episode looks to be the end of the FBI agents, it'll be even more fun seeing how they'll explain Lights huge plan out.

[wrex_japan]

Episode 4 Strategy Guide and movie promo. (http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/?p=287) This episode shows that Light is quite clever, but I can see where his pride or conceit will cause him to make a mistake. Ryuk's gotta be happy that the Death Note fell into such capable hands. He was quite impressed with Light's strategy in the end (as were both my gf and I, watching the episode).

[Black_Sharingan]

This episode looks good. Is it wrong that I feel good everytime Light wins?

[Li Jianliang]

The silence was the best part of the episode, in my opinion....But I really feel sorry for Raye Penber for the next episode, since the self-appointed God Light doesn't seem like the kind to have mercy on his pursuers, if the OP was any indication.

[Suna no tate]

Wow! I just started watching the anime and i've never seen the manga. I'm absolutely stunned by the premise of this show and the manga. It troubles me on a philosophical level yet intrigues my intellect. I bet if they made sets of three 20 minute episodes into movies, they would absolutely be smash hits everywhere in the world.

[Dark`]

Wow! I just started watching the anime and i've never seen the manga. I'm absolutely stunned by the premise of this show and the manga. It troubles me on a philosophical level yet intrigues my intellect. I bet if they made sets of three 20 minute episodes into movies, they would absolutely be smash hits everywhere in the world.

Well, they did make a couple of live-action movies. Not sure if they were well-received though.

[DoReMiFaSo]

I don't know how Light can justify his own actions on planning to kill that FBI. So far, he was killing people based on the reason that he wanted to get rid of all the bad guys in the world. The FBI is one of the good guys, so how can he convince himself that it's okay to kill him?

I guess his reason to get rid the bad guys is just an excuse for him to kill people and enjoy his time playing god without feeling guilty.

[myopius]

DoReMiFaSo,

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Edit: Also you must have missed where he said he could be forced to kill his own family on the event they came into accidental contact with the note. In short, those who oppose him are evil, and even those who are not evil may need to die so that Light may create a perfect world. This is from:
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~8:30 into Live-eviL's sub, when he's constructing the hidden drawer.
Edit #2: In case you're wondering, the wording Dark` posted is the wording which the manga uses: Light uses "boku" or "boko" (whatever that pronoun is) in the anime, doesn't refer to himself by either of his names.

[Neux]

I don't know how Light can justify his own actions on planning to kill that FBI. So far, he was killing people based on the reason that he wanted to get rid of all the bad guys in the world. The FBI is one of the good guys, so how can he convince himself that it's okay to kill him?

I guess his reason to get rid the bad guys is just an excuse for him to kill people and enjoy his time playing god without feeling guilty.

My take, and people are gonna disagree :heh:

He is trying to remove all the criminals. But some people like L are trying to stop him. He is determined to create a world without criminals at all costs, and that includes removing those that are trying to stop him that he deems as "threats" to his plan, whether they are "good" or "bad" for the "greater good". Course in either case, he's still guilty of killing people...


Even though the guy trailing Light believes Light isn't Kira, doesn't mean that L doesn't still suspect that Light might be Kira. The important thing is to convince L to think that Light isn't Kira, but since L is so amazingly smart, that's very difficult to do. If he let's the guy trailing him live, L will still suspect Light. If he kills him, L will suspect Light more, but may bring L closer to Light which is what Kira wants even though it's more risky

[DoReMiFaSo]

DoReMiFaSo,

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7471/vlcsnap96864qn4.th.png (http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap96864qn4.png)
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/7537/vlcsnap96960ub2.th.png (http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap96960ub2.png)

Edit: Also you must have missed where he said he could be forced to kill his own family on the event they came into accidental contact with the note. In short, those who oppose him are evil, and even those who are not evil may need to die so that Light may create a perfect world.


Hmm...I think I missed that part. Did he really say that he is willing to kill his family? I guess I need to rewatch that part. Which episode is that?

My take, and people are gonna disagree :heh:

He is trying to remove all the criminals. But some people like L are trying to stop him. He is determined to create a world without criminals at all costs, and that includes removing those that are trying to stop him that he deems as "threats" to his plan, whether they are "good" or "bad" for the "greater good". Course in either case, he's still guilty of killing people...


One word can summarize his bahaviour. He is PSYCHO!!! Haha....

[Dark`]

Hmm...I think I missed that part. Did he really say that he is willing to kill his family? I guess I need to rewatch that part. Which episode is that?

Episode 2, when he's constructing the special drawer to hide the Death Note. His words seem to give off the vibe that he doesn't want to...but if it comes down to it, he probably would kill his family if he had to. Hence the statement, "Kira might have to kill his own family."

[Deathkillz]

lol the smart ass light :p well its another ep that sticks closely to the manga...
all i can say is that the mood was spot on and we are beginning to see the message that light is trying to give to L...oh and the FBI agent is a good as dead letting light see his ID...

[Setsuchan]

I loved this episode,go Light!
And was that L crying in the preview? Or did I just see it wrong O_o (I don't remember him crying in the manga)

[StrawHatLuffy]

No that's not him.

That's Naomi crying.

[guiltygearxt]

No that's not him.

That's Naomi crying.

aka that ray penbar's fiance

[Setsuchan]

XD I know who she is,but I tought the person looked a lot like L.

[Scorch]

I don't understand why Ray Penbar revealed his identity to Light. Let's assume that Light is a normal (but paranoid) person, as Ray thinks he is. Light demands proof that Ray isn't acting with the busjacker. Ray has volunteered to stop the busjacker himself.

Let's say Ray doesn't give his identity to Light. Possible outcome: Ray stops the busjacker without Light's help. Ray is shown to be a non-accomplice by stopping the crime.

If Ray gives his identity to Light, possible outcome: Ray stops the busjacker without Light's help (Light said he'd leave it up to Ray). Ray is proven as a non-accomplice to Light before he acts.

Either way, the same result can be predicted to occur (that is: Ray stops the crime without Light's help). Therefore, Ray has no incentive to reveal his identity. The only reason he would reveal his identity is if he was caught too offguard to think through it logically. He takes a calculated risk because he hasn't realized that there's no functional purpose to it. It seems like a gamble on Light's part to assume that he can catch Ray through this method - and the suspicious coincidence of the criminal's death creates a risk for Light.

[Antonik]

I'm really suprised he hasn't taken the death god eyes, Episode 3 made it seem like he would...anyway the music is just awesome in this, really spectacular and fitting of the story.

[Elvanvitar]

I'm really suprised he hasn't taken the death god eyes, Episode 3 made it seem like he would...anyway the music is just awesome in this, really spectacular and fitting of the story.

That would make it too easy for Light though. He enjoys the challenge.

[i0td]

Because of the three "experiments", L has discovered the omnipotence of the Death Note. However, this was the first time (less the first death by accident which I believe L does not know about) Light used something other than the default heart attack, so at the moment it is still quite difficult to conclude anything about Light just yet. What will really compromise his position is if he kills Ray Penbar. A few people in this thread already touched upon this. I agree. The FBI man doesn't suspect Light anymore. Any more funny business and L will be drawn in if he hasn't already. If the shadow is dead by heart attack or anything that will connect the death to Kira (or even just killed for that matter), it will be quite easy for L to trace everything to Light.

I really enjoyed watching Light's schemes throughout the episode. Seemingly flawless. I'm really eager to learn what other tricks he and L have up his sleeve.

[musouka]

That would make it too easy for Light though. He enjoys the challenge.

I wouldn't say that. On some level he enjoys it, but the reason he didn't take the shinigami eyes was because he doesn't want to die sooner. And he's confident that he doesn't need them.

Though Light covered it up by saying he wanted his reign to last as long as possible, I think it's fairly obvious that Light is also afraid of death. At least, that's the way it seems to me.

[kei25]

Doubtful...based on how faithfully they're following the manga. That and we saw no sign of her appearance in the preview. =x Pics were probably posted just because a lot of people are itching to hear her voice another character, especially after the insane following that Haruhi has garnered. /shrugs

Not sure which pic is referred to.. but Aya (not just voice) does appear at the end of every episodes.. together with Haruka-chan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eeioKduYek

[saravis]

This is getting pretty good. I have a couple things I want to bring up. First Light doesn't know Ray stopped suspecting him after all Ray only came to that conclusion in his thoughts and hadn't revealed it to anyone yet. As far as Light is concerned he's still a possible suspect; after all Ray did continue to follow him on to the bus. Second, and mind you this is coming from someone who knows nothing about the manga, but doesn't Ray Penbar seem like a rather odd name, a name that was made up, this is a japanese man we're talking about here. It's possible that it's a fake.

[Dark`]

I don't understand why Ray Penbar revealed his identity to Light. Let's assume that Light is a normal (but paranoid) person, as Ray thinks he is. Light demands proof that Ray isn't acting with the busjacker. Ray has volunteered to stop the busjacker himself.

Let's say Ray doesn't give his identity to Light. Possible outcome: Ray stops the busjacker without Light's help. Ray is shown to be a non-accomplice by stopping the crime.

If Ray gives his identity to Light, possible outcome: Ray stops the busjacker without Light's help (Light said he'd leave it up to Ray). Ray is proven as a non-accomplice to Light before he acts.

Either way, the same result can be predicted to occur (that is: Ray stops the crime without Light's help). Therefore, Ray has no incentive to reveal his identity. The only reason he would reveal his identity is if he was caught too offguard to think through it logically. He takes a calculated risk because he hasn't realized that there's no functional purpose to it. It seems like a gamble on Light's part to assume that he can catch Ray through this method - and the suspicious coincidence of the criminal's death creates a risk for Light.
Well, Light did reveal in his note that he had the "intention" of stopping that criminal on his own. Ray doesn't really know that Light, more than likely, had no intention of doing so, and it was merely a ploy to get Ray to show him his ID. As such, he probably let Light see his ID so that Light would trust Ray, and not attempt to take down the hijacker. So...it's more like Ray showed Light his ID to protect Light (he would believe Ray isn't an accomplice and would leave things to Ray) rather than Ray not showing Light his ID (Ray could still take down the hijacker, but Light could theoretically get involved as well and could get injured).

What will really compromise his position is if he kills Ray Penbar. A few people in this thread already touched upon this. I agree. The FBI man doesn't suspect Light anymore. Any more funny business and L will be drawn in if he hasn't already. If the shadow is dead by heart attack or anything that will connect the death to Kira (or even just killed for that matter), it will be quite easy for L to trace everything to Light.

One thing to keep in mind though is that while we, the audience, know that Light is no longer under suspicion, Light himself does not know this. He realized that if he were to be shadowed for an extended amount of time, the chance that he will be linked to Kira will grow, especially with someone like L leading the investigation. If he knew what Ray was thinking and that he was going to back off, the chance that Light would not go after Ray would probably be extremely high. But since Light does not know that, he can only assume the worst-case scenario (being watched until Kira is found) and act accordingly.

This is getting pretty good. I have a couple things I want to bring up. First Light doesn't know Ray stopped suspecting him after all Ray only came to that conclusion in his thoughts and hadn't revealed it to anyone yet. As far as Light is concerned he's still a possible suspect; after all Ray did continue to follow him on to the bus. Second, and mind you this is coming from someone who knows nothing about the manga, but doesn't Ray Penbar seem like a rather odd name, a name that was made up, this is a japanese man we're talking about here. It's possible that it's a fake.
You beat me to it by about 2 minutes, curse my long-windedness. =p
As for the name, remember that he's part of the FBI, meaning he's American / from America.



It's a small spoiler...but if I recall correctly, Ray's of mixed heritage (half Japanese, half American). I forget if he mentions it in the anime but in the manga, he tells Light that he's American, and that his mother was Japanese.

[myopius]

Excellent episode. They really picked up the pace. Most of the small adjustments in dialogue weren't at all out of place, and served to enrich the story. This may be my favorite episode so far. I also really approved of how they handled the brief summary of circumstances at the episode's start.

Ray Penbar does sound odd. The last name was Penber (and the first Raye, which is admittedly more unusual) in the manga, which was more ordinary.

Scorch, I concur. On that it didn't make sense for Ray to reveal his identity. But not for the reasons you write, which I disagree with. In that situation, any conflict or misunderstanding between the two of them could mean either or both of their lives, so Ray would have been motivated to establish trust. However, if Ray was more of a calm/critical thinker, then he wouldn't have revealed his identity for the reason that:
When he's on the bus with Penb[a]r, he accused Penb[a]r of working with the bus-jacker convict. Maybe Light counted on that guy to have too much adrenaline to think, but in retrospect, doesn't this seem like it wouldn't work? The guy's more likely to think, "Why would this kid think that crazy guy'd have a partner?" and "If he believes that, why is he telling it to me? Won't I just pull out my gun on him if that's the case or something?"
There was also no way for him to know that Ray would definitely have his ID and that Ray would sit directly behind him so that he could notice the note. Well, whatever the probabilities, there was definitely a possibility of success, and that ended up the case.

One thing to keep in mind though is that while we, the audience, know that Light is no longer under suspicion, Light himself does not know this. He realized that if he were to be shadowed for an extended amount of time, the chance that he will be linked to Kira will grow, especially with someone like L leading the investigation. If he knew what Ray was thinking and that he was going to back off, the chance that Light would not go after Ray would probably be extremely high. But since Light does not know that, he can only assume the worst-case scenario (being watched until Kira is found) and act accordingly.
What really interests to me is that despite his reasoning for killing the.FBI agents, that they are tailing him, he still goes through with his plan to kill all the agents once Ray stops tailing him. It's because of that that L is later able to narrow down his list of probable suspects to within a two-week (IIRC) timeframe. If he had even just held off on the plan until surveillance on him was resumed (if it ever was) then that would have lessened the extent to which L locked in on him later on. Although I'm of the opinion that L would have found Light even among a much larger pool of subjects.

Of course, the main advantage to the FBI's murders, to cut L off from the police, was perfectly justifiable.

[Kisuke06]

Ok, Light is way too smart. o.o

Very good episode. But I fell kinda sorry for Ray Penber, it looks like he is going to die on ep5.

[breed]

i really dont get why light wants to kill Ray Penber. if he is killed while he is after light, light would end in a spotlight. Ray thought that he will quit following him the other day, but i doubt that killing him after he leaves will do any better.
on the other hand L could think that kira has information about fbi-movement too and killed a random member to show that L must think about a better plan. but L is rather straight with his thinking, at least until now. the only way light could end up confusing L is to kill all FBI agents that are in japan, but i dont think light would go that far, because they are no direct thread to him + he doesnt know how to find all FBI agents, or does his fathers pc have files of them too? i guess he would have noticed them allready, wouldnt he?

ahhhh wait... i guess i missed one thing. i guess light kills Ray not with heart attack, lets say he writes down: "dies of salmonella infection after finishing his report about how normal light is". that would be possible, right. and it would be the perfect conclusion to his former test-victims. but L will doubt that note, since he saw that kira can manipulate the last few minutes of his victims. all i need to know now is: can light "command" in generalisations? or must he write down the whole report himself? cause i dont think he knows how standard-FBI-reports look like...

awwwww all this pain of thinking... everywhere new holes in a perfect plan...
why do i torment myself so much with this series *g*

[Archer]

i really dont get why light wants to kill Ray Penber. if he is killed while he is after light, light would end in a spotlight. Ray thought that he will quit following him the other day, but i doubt that killing him after he leaves will do any better.
on the other hand L could think that kira has information about fbi-movement too and killed a random member to show that L must think about a better plan. but L is rather straight with his thinking, at least until now. the only way light could end up confusing L is to kill all FBI agents that are in japan, but i dont think light would go that far, because they are no direct thread to him + he doesnt know how to find all FBI agents, or does his fathers pc have files of them too? i guess he would have noticed them allready, wouldnt he?

ahhhh wait... i guess i missed one thing. i guess light kills Ray not with heart attack, lets say he writes down: "dies of salmonella infection after finishing his report about how normal light is". that would be possible, right. and it would be the perfect conclusion to his former test-victims. but L will doubt that note, since he saw that kira can manipulate the last few minutes of his victims. all i need to know now is: can light "command" in generalisations? or must he write down the whole report himself? cause i dont think he knows how standard-FBI-reports look like...

awwwww all this pain of thinking... everywhere new holes in a perfect plan...
why do i torment myself so much with this series *g*

There's no holes in the plan.

Light doesn't know that Ray Penbar is stopping his investigation. For all he knows, they may continue to investigate him, which will only make his situation worse.

Also, you think too lightly of Light. Just watch next week's episode and see what happens. He's not one to leave a trail behind. He has even more tricks up his sleeve.

[Antonik]

This is getting pretty good. I have a couple things I want to bring up. First Light doesn't know Ray stopped suspecting him after all Ray only came to that conclusion in his thoughts and hadn't revealed it to anyone yet. As far as Light is concerned he's still a possible suspect; after all Ray did continue to follow him on to the bus. Second, and mind you this is coming from someone who knows nothing about the manga, but doesn't Ray Penbar seem like a rather odd name, a name that was made up, this is a japanese man we're talking about here. It's possible that it's a fake.
FBI is not japanesse, its American. L asked the FBI ( Outside organization) to spy on the japanesse greoup thats in charge of the Kira case.

[Lumir]

Its beggining to really look like light has gone to the "dark side". He plans to kill agents according to the end of the ep and the preview... this in it self is a turning point or so i think. The agents are only doing there job and have not commited any crimes, but just because they are watching him and might suspect him, he is going to kill them? Evil! Cant wait to see how things turn out!

Lol, at ryuk trying to get some life from light...

Ryuk: "these eyes for half your current left lifetime."
Light: "Silly ryuk, thats a no no..."

[Kinny Riddle]

Simply the best episode so far, but this will pale in comparison to the next episode. You'll see.

Yuri-chan is cute. :love: Too bad she won't be appearing in this series any longer. Her voice is done by Koshimizu Ami, who did Tenma in School Rumble and Nina in Mai Otome. Wonder if she could switch places with Kudou Haruka (Aka Hagu-chan) for the role of Light's sister? :D I don't dislike Hagu-chan's voice, but Light's sister Sayu could've sounded better if done by someone else, for me anyway.

For rabid Itachi x Sasuke fans reading Naruto, Raye Penbar is voiced by Ishikawa Hideo, who did Itachi's voice. He also performed as Ukitake (Rukia's captain) in Bleach.

In the live-action movie, Raye simply becomes Raye Iwamatsu, maybe even the director thought Penbar was too peculiar a name for an American, so they just made him keep his Japanese name, since Raye is a Japanese-American anyway.

[indicatoto101]

ep4

So the death note does have some limitations after all: things have to stay realistic.
(sortof ironic for something thats not in any way realistic in and of itself)

Raito's scheme to get the name of the agent following him pretty clever, but I can't help but think it is stupid. The guy following him had already decided that he wasnt a likely suspect, then all the sudden all kinds of crazy stuff starts happening.

If he kills the investigater right away, then it becomes sortof obvious that he died while following laito, making laito look more suspicious. If he doesnt kill the investigator, then the guy will report that all kinds of crazy stuff happened when he was tailing raito.



I like this analysis. Light is brining unwanted attention to himself. Really, if he believes he is as smart as he thinks he is, he would'nt have been paranoid about someone following him. Paranoia tells you to be cautious, but it makes you psychotic. I guess it's not a problem for Light considering he already is a psycho. But lets see how he covers his tail.

[Deathkillz]

Its beggining to really look like light has gone to the "dark side". He plans to kill agents according to the end of the ep and the preview... this in it self is a turning point or so i think. The agents are only doing there job and have not commited any crimes, but just because they are watching him and might suspect him, he is going to kill them? Evil! Cant wait to see how things turn out!

Lol, at ryuk trying to get some life from light...

Ryuk: "these eyes for half your current left lifetime."
Light: "Silly ryuk, thats a no no..."

well he thinks that it either "them" or "him"...and Light thinking that he is always right decides that it has to be "them"...he wants to become god but basically hes just a tyrant...
and hoho hes to smart to fall for the shimigami trick :p

btw...ryuk said that shimigami eyes allowed him to see the name of the person and also the life left in the person does this mean that he already knows when Light will die?

[Kinny Riddle]

well he thinks that it either "them" or "him"...and Light thinking that he is always right decides that it has to be "them"...he wants to become god but basically hes just a tyrant...
and hoho hes to smart to fall for the shimigami trick :p

btw...ryuk said that shimigami eyes allowed him to see the name of the person and also the life left in the person does this mean that he already knows when Light will die?
Yes, he could, but only a Death God can calculate a human's lifespan from these numbers, there's no way a human being could understand how these numbers are calculated even if he/she has those eyes.

For example, Ryuuk could see that Light has 50 years remaining. If he decides to kill Light now, then Ryuuk would get an extra 50 years to live. If we waits for 20 years before deciding to kill Light, then Ryuuk would only get an extra 30 years.

[Shiroth]

I'm glad the anime kept in Light's wing joke at the start.. its not all the time you get to see the humor side of Light, and that one's gotta be one of his best moments. As for the bus scene - it played out just how i wanted it to - i knew for a fact that the anime was going to do a good job - especially the Ryuk scene, nice & dark.

I'm liking Ray a lot more in the anime then i did in the manga. Probably 'cause we're pretty much seeing more if him with the anime spreading out the story a lil' bit more.

Yet another great Light plan in action, this one has to be one of his best.. though it shall be a shame to see Ray go. Also can see it being a bit upsetting seeing a certain character cry.

[White Manju Bun]

Nice epi! Followed the manga very nice, I really like seeing all the stuff Light does in the manga finally animated XD

The bus scene was great! I love how Ryuk was just standing there talking to pretty much himself as the guy is shooting him. Sucks the Ray's gonna die in the next epi but I cant wait to see it!

[Kikaifan]

Well, the limitations on the ability to decide the terms of the death explain a lot. I'd been wondering why he didn't just write "killed in police shootout after murdering the famous detective known as 'L' " as the conditions for some at-large criminal.

[Guido]

Death Note continues to intrigue for how Light cunningly managed the limitations on the rules affecting the victims circumstances prior to death, in order to elaborate an intricate plan to demask Penbar's identity.

It must had taken Light a lot of brainstorming and inventive to manipulate the course of the drug addict's life time to specifically dictate, that he should board the bus at X spot in Y date and time.

The Death Note cannot do the impossible:
1. Such as people dying out of the physical laws. NO SUPERNATURAL or TIME PHASED deaths.
2. People who do not possess knowledge prior to the moment they die.

And I may go on with the list of physical impossibilities that the Death Note covers.

What I learned though is that Death Note demands specifics and timing so to deliver the desired result written on it. In order for the drug addict to have been killed in the traffic accident the moring after the night that Light wrote the bum's name on it, Light carefully staged separated scenarios. Each of this scenarios followed a causal course of action which connect from one to the next within the laws of physics.
The ending outcome came with the hoodlum's demise run over by car forcing the FBI to come out from his hiding spot and played the role that Light intended for as written by the Death Note.

This is malicious cunning, but I wonder if Light carefully took measures as not to overlook any details that otherwise would seem off the mark for L to realise that Light's has been scamming him?

I mean, for example, the drug addict. Why was he not killed right away? Light could have picked up another hoodlum for his strategy.
But if the FBI agent was dreadfully tailing his steps, it would reasonable to assume that Light wanted not to risk to become exposed sooner.

Still, I would not stop pondering that L's already inquiring about the fate of the drug addict, and how come Kira did not picked him right away.

In regards to dxgarten's posts, I'm also agreeing that the motif shifted from Light's crusade to accomplish a world free of evil to Light's and L's one-on-one take on confrontation for this episode.

[Sinestra]

Episode 4 sure didnt disappoint me. There are couple of things about light that i wanted to get opinions on. Theres no doubt that Light is uber intellgient however i think one of his short comings is hes under estimating L. Hes convienced that no one can touch him including L. The process in which Light got that FBI agent to reveal his name was brilliant. However killing him would be a mistake that might lead L closer to Light. As we all know the FBI is an american branch and L has asked them for their help. Thats all fine and dandy but the sure way to get more people looking for him is too kill an FBI agent the US does not look kindly on one their agents all of suddent dropping dead while on a case they would launch their own investigation. If he did that not only would the Japanese police force be looking for him but the americans would as well. Sure he could make it look like an accident or a heart attack but the fact remains is that an FBI agent died suddenly while investigating a serial killer it would look suspecious anyway he did it. IF L were to keep his activties in Japan it would be in his best intrest once he starts going international other countires would get invovled. Also killing this agent would no long qualify Light as a champion of justice hes killing an innocent which would offcially make him a murderer. Hes only been killing criminals so far but to kill an innocent because hes investigating him goes against everything he stated in the past. At this rate he will be no better than the ones hes been killing off

Next the fact that Light has access to his fathers computer is a good and bad thing. L wanted it reported that the last few victmins died of heart attacks to keep it from Light. Once L figuers out that Light knows the truth he will be more sure than ever that Light has access to the police data banks thats will be one more clue for L to go on. Dont get me wrong i dont think its going to be easy but these little things now can turn into a big deal later on. I still think everyone is light years away from finding out who Light is. Lights ego and over confidence will be his down fall if he doesnt get him self in check

L im getting more and more curious about hes in a room with nothing else but a computer, i wondering what he really does is some rich guy who doesnt have to work thats why he can spend all his time working on this cases or what. I dont think hes a agent for some country but i am wondering what nationality he is.

[mystictsubasa]

Well, the limitations on the ability to decide the terms of the death explain a lot. I'd been wondering why he didn't just write "killed in police shootout after murdering the famous detective known as 'L' " as the conditions for some at-large criminal.

Light cannot write that because it falls under what is impossible to accomplish with the Death Note. At this point, only Watari knows who L is. Ep 4 explains it at around the 10 minute mark.

[Dark`]

Light cannot write that because it falls under what is impossible to accomplish with the Death Note. At this point, only Watari knows who L is. Ep 4 explains it at around the 10 minute mark.

He (she?) knows...re-read the first line in his (her?) post. Kikaifan was basically saying that up until they explained how the Death Note operates and that impossible things cannot happen, he (she?) was wondering why Light didn't write that down. >_>

[myopius]

Light is brining unwanted attention to himself. Really, if he believes he is as smart as he thinks he is, he would'nt have been paranoid about someone following him. Paranoia tells you to be cautious, but it makes you psychotic.
He's brought unwanted attention to himself? From whom? Wasn't Ray already paying attention to him? And is it paranoia to kill someone whose presence could limit him if he needed to participate in a Kira-related activity that's outside of his room, like he did when he created the drawer to hold his death note? ;)

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[chrno]

Man talk about suspense this ep. Ok, normally these are not the type of shows I normally watch but I wanted to check the series out since the manga was such a popular and recommended title. The set up this episode was so thought out I found myself on the edge of my seat most of the time. It's the battle of the wits. Though Ryuuk is a pretty interesting death god. But I'm curious to find out if 'L' ever manages to figure out this scenario as he's done with the others. Seems there are no heroes in this series so you don't know who you want to root for. Again the premise of why it's never a good idea to play "god". It becomes a dangerous obsession. ;)

[hitokirigirl]

The death note piece of paper was the best part IMO. And as I thought, Ryuk is just here for his own ecstasy : he'll be no one's ally.

Episode 4 gives me the feeling Raito is less "obsessed" with his urge of cleaning Earth from criminals, and more interested in checking his high and mighty IQ on people...

That would enhance what he said in the first eps : he uses the Note to get himself out of boredom more than anything else.

[AK-kun]

True, that. Now, he just uses criminals as pawns for his little game of cat-and-mouse against the people who oppose him.