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Catgirls
2006-10-30, 23:10
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dxgarten
2006-10-31, 16:53
Episode 05 screencaps and summary (http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/archives/death_note_ep05.html)
A really good episode that basically deals with Raye Penber's fate. I think some people will be far more interested in next week's episode though.
Ending an episode on an L note seems to be a good for this series. My heart hasn't beaten so fast since his first appearance in episode two. :p
Ah, poor Ray, we hardly knew ye.
This was actually the turning point of my deep seated dislike for Light. I found him interesting before, but after this I only rarely saw him as anything but repulsive.
And it's cruel to make us...well, maybe just me wait another week. Even seeing the position in next week's ep preview is a torment.
Ending an episode on an L note seems to be a good for this series. My heart hasn't beaten so fast since his first appearance in episode two. :p
I thought it was just me ... I found this episode really intense, and my heart was beating triple time when the episode ended. The last time this happened for me was as episode 38 of Twelve Kingdoms drew to a close.
This was actually the turning point of my deep seated dislike for Light. I found him interesting before, but after this I only rarely saw him as anything but repulsive.
And it's cruel to make us...well, maybe just me wait another week. Even seeing the position in next week's ep preview is a torment.
I agree ... I found this final descent into self-serving megalomania rather painful to watch. I usually rewatch episodes right away, just because my understanding of the language is too weak to grasp everything the first time through. This time though ... despite how incredibly powerful and intense the episode was, I just can't make myself watch it through again.
This shows i liked Ray a lot more in the anime, i cried my heart out has he was lying there on the ground.. same goes for seeing Naomi reaction to the news. The whole train journey was fucking awesome - the music brought along the dark side of Light's plan out so well, i can seriously see good times ahead for this series.
Gotta love what they've done at the end of the episode - even more so with the fact that they didn't even show L's face in the preview for episode 06. Genius stuff~
Good, Poor Ray... But now we finally see L :) , Not Bad, Good Orchestral Plan of Light... Just like usual...
DoReMiFaSo
2006-11-01, 14:43
Wow, another Light's ingenious plan. Gotta love them. The second half was so intense that my eyes can't leave the screen for a second.
I feel bad for Ray's fiance though. I bet she is going to be Light's next target. Although I don't want her to die, I guess she will die eventually. :(
Deathwing
2006-11-02, 02:48
I'm hoping this dosn't follow the manga exactly and we get an alternate ending
as for this episode i loved it the cat and mouse game between light and L is so exciting
also this was able to get a better emotional responce for Rays death then the manga did
StrawHatLuffy
2006-11-02, 04:34
It would be an utter disaster for me if the anime doesn't follow the manga.
A pretty nice episode. I just knew they would end without showing L =X
ShikaShika
2006-11-02, 11:35
It would be an utter disaster for me if the anime doesn't follow the manga.
Complete opposite for me. :p After about chapter 30 I give the anime team my full consent to do whatever they want, because that's where the manga just took a gradual 70 chapters long nosedive into the pavement for me. The first 30 chapters were the coolest I've ever read though. :)
guiltygearxt
2006-11-02, 11:41
funny thing is ppl already no wut L looks like from OP so wuts the point of hiding >_>
Darklightz
2006-11-02, 12:57
Very interesting.Light is starting to show how clever he can be.
Spoiler,don't read if you haven't read the manga yet
Who else believe like me that this is what started Light's downfall?As Matsuda and Mogi point out later,because Kira kills the FBI agents it means there is evidence of his identity.
Also it just so happens as Light is one of the people watched.To top it all off,after the bus incident Raye was convinced Light was not Kira.Had Light simply been patient and not succumb to his need to show his superior intelligence,Raye would have gone on his way and L would never had any evidence to point him to Light
funny thing is ppl already no wut L looks like from OP so wuts the point of hiding >_>
My thoughts exactly... :heh:
Spoiler,don't read if you haven't read the manga yet
Who else believe like me that this is what started Light's downfall?As Matsuda and Mogi point out later,because Kira kills the FBI agents it means there is evidence of his identity.
Also it just so happens as Light is one of the people watched.To top it all off,after the bus incident Raye was convinced Light was not Kira.Had Light simply been patient and not succumb to his need to show his superior intelligence,Raye would have gone on his way and L would never had any evidence to point him to Light
How many times does it need to be mentioned that Light had no idea that Ray no longer suspected him of being Kira? The longer he's under observation, the higher the possibility that he may somehow be linked to Kira. So it's a somewhat "damned if I do, damned if I don't" situation for Light.
Furthermore, just because Ray no longer suspects Light of being Kira doesn't mean that L would stop suspecting Light as well. Remember, there were numerous times where Light managed to manipulate what was going on to lead suspicion away from him. Even after the time where they were watching Light's room with all the cameras and whatnot, and he decided that Light probably wasn't Kira... somewhere deep down he still believed that Light was most likely Kira. I don't think Ray reporting "From my observations, there is no way that Light Yagami is Kira" would have made a true difference in keeping L from connecting Kira to Light.
Deathwing
2006-11-02, 16:52
Complete opposite for me. :p After about chapter 30 I give the anime team my full consent to do whatever they want, because that's where the manga just took a gradual 70 chapters long nosedive into the pavement for me. The first 30 chapters were the coolest I've ever read though. :)
i agree
the series starts out great and innovative but the series starts to loose its luster after a few events happen in the manga so keep the beginning but alternating the ending is fine with me
How many times does it need to be mentioned that Light had no idea that Ray no longer suspected him of being Kira? The longer he's under observation, the higher the possibility that he may somehow be linked to Kira. So it's a somewhat "damned if I do, damned if I don't" situation for Light.
Sorry but I have a real issue with this type of thinking in regards to the situation in episode five.
Light is supposed to be a smart boy. It's inconceivable to me that he did not grasp that Ray did not suspect him after the bus incident. An FBI agent, on the trail of someone he knows can kill with a name and a face, hands his badge over to the man he suspects? Impossible. Unless he doesn't really suspect Light.
Futhermore, Light's goal is not about his own convenience. Yeah, he has to be careful with a guy following him, but Light's stated goal isn't supposed to be "I'll kill anyone who makes my life a bit difficult!" Light has postured that he wants to save the world, for the sake of the law abiding people out there. You know, people like Ray. The fact that these "good people" become expendable when it comes to his inconvenience just highlights the fact that Light is not a saviour, he's just a sociopathic kid with a death notebook.
Sorry but I have a real issue with this type of thinking in regards to the situation in episode five.
Do you remember what Ray's thoughts were before he showed his badge to Light? He thought that there's no way Light could be Kira because if he did he would kill that criminal. This is what any ordinary person would think. Because we follow Light's actions, we're biased, but the truth is that it requires a major leap of faith to go, just from the knowledge that Kira is a person who has a murder weapon that can kill anyone of a heart attack, to that Kira may also be capable of mind control.
In the first place, there's no reason to believe that the bus-jacking wasn't random. Bus-jackings occur, and if all the victims were somebody else, there would be no victims. When you see someone hijack a bus, your first thought isn't that this is some previous unseen supernatural power at play (well, Ray's wasn't). L was uniquely both able to conceive of the possibility that Kira was using supernatural means and assert its legitimacy (to the NPA) unopposed, but, Ray isn't L.
Rather than trying to analyze the situation at L's level of detection (since notably, when he isn't there to analyze possibilities, he's there to watch Light), Ray probably just thought that he should show his badge to Light to avoid Light getting into a conflict with him that could get both of them shot. This is probably what Light thought when he was constructing his plan: in that kind of life-or-death situation there's an incredibly high probability that he won't risk a conflict and so will show the badge.
The fact that these "good people" become expendable when it comes to his inconvenience just highlights the fact that Light is not a saviour, he's just a sociopathic kid with a death notebook.
I've said it many times. Anyone who opposes Kira is evil, as stated in episode two. Hmm, do you choose to assume that because he displayed emotions, he didn't really mean it?
Even if he hadn't stated it, from the first episode we see that the creation of a perfect world is the task which Light has placed above all else, including his own life and soul (his words).
In other words, even if Ray was not, by definition, evil, he would still be subject to death, if necessary. We know that because Light says he would be willing to kill his own family if necessary, or at least implies that he believes he would be.
It's too bad there isn't a clear distiction between "I'll kill anyone who makes my life a bit difficult!" and "I'll kill anyone who would inhibit my ability to create a perfect world!"
(Regardless of the inability to distinguish between those two, however, by Occam's Razor, we should assume that the latter is correct, because it's the one supported by the evidence.)
I'm afraid I haven't watched this one yet but I really look forward to it. Even more so the next one.
I'm looking at it from Light's perspective. People are saying that there's no possible way that Light could know that Ray didn't suspect him. I think that's bullshit. If anything, if I was Light and since he's not telepathic, I would assume if an FBI agent on the track of a dangerous killer hands over his badge to a suspect who can use that knowledge to kill him, chances are, he's not that suspicious of me. Ray's thoughts have absolutely nothing to do with Light's thoughts.
Also, Ray is not going against Light. He is not L. He's just doing his job. Light has no issue with not only getting rid of people that might make his life slightly more difficult, but has an utter willingness to use the innocent as expendable chess pieces in order to flush L out. Some "savior".
Darklightz
2006-11-02, 23:15
Even if Light somehow didn't figure out that Raye didn't suspect him,he should realize that killing people suspecting him is like advertizing that he's one of the suspects.Before the incident all L had on Kira is that he's in the Kantai area.By killing an FBI agent,he greatly narroed down the search for Kira.In short,Light's "clever" move is not so clever
I'm looking at it from Light's perspective. People are saying that there's no possible way that Light could know that Ray didn't suspect him. I think that's bullshit. If anything, if I was Light and since he's not telepathic, I would assume if an FBI agent on the track of a dangerous killer hands over his badge to a suspect who can use that knowledge to kill him, chances are, he's not that suspicious of me. Ray's thoughts have absolutely nothing to do with Light's thoughts.
Also, Ray is not going against Light. He is not L. He's just doing his job. Light has no issue with not only getting rid of people that might make his life slightly more difficult, but has an utter willingness to use the innocent as expendable chess pieces in order to flush L out. Some "savior".
Well, I respect your opinion, mine just happens to differ from yours. Remember, Light orchestrated the busjacking and everything in an attempt to get his shadower's name. When Ray showed his badge to Light, do you think Light is really going to think "Oh...well, if he is willing to show me his badge, he probably doesn't think I'm Kira."? No...if anything, he's shown that he has a pretty big ego, and so it's more likely he's thinking "Everything is proceeding exactly as I have planned, muahaha." (Okay...maybe not the "muahaha" part...but you get my point I hope.)
Since Ray is working for the FBI, which in turn is helping L, by default that automatically means that Ray is working against Light since he's helping L. That's probably how Light would think. I agree that he's not the great "savior of the world" he proclaimed himself to be, I'm just saying that in Light's mind, Ray wasn't innocent since he was working for the enemy.
I'm looking at it from Light's perspective. People are saying that there's no possible way that Light could know that Ray didn't suspect him. I think that's bullshit. If anything, if I was Light and since he's not telepathic, I would assume if an FBI agent on the track of a dangerous killer hands over his badge to a suspect who can use that knowledge to kill him, chances are, he's not that suspicious of me. Ray's thoughts have absolutely nothing to do with Light's thoughts.
Also, Ray is not going against Light. He is not L. He's just doing his job. Light has no issue with not only getting rid of people that might make his life slightly more difficult, but has an utter willingness to use the innocent as expendable chess pieces in order to flush L out. Some "savior".
Let's look at it from this perspective: Let's say that Light already knew that Ray wasn't suspicious of him. However, that would also mean that he would lose his opportunity to use the police against L. By revealing that the FBI was investigating the police, he would sever the bonds of trust between L and the police, putting L at a severe disadvantage. Tensions were already high because L was hiding himself while the police put their lives on the line, and that would be the straw that broke the camel's back. The only way that L could regain that trust would be to reveal more of himself to the police and to Light.
Yes, I'm aware of that.
But people are claiming that Light had no idea that Ray didn't really suspect him, and I can't agree with that. Whether or not Ray suspected Light was immaterial to Light. Light is trying to flush out L. Ray and the other FBI agents were pawns to do so, even though they were guilty of nothing but doing their jobs.
Therefore I can't agree that Light killed Ray in a nebulous sort of self defense. If Light is the great savior of the masses he claims he is, then he could have A) found a way to keep on cleansing even though Ray was watching, and B) not have treated the lives of innocents as completely expendable in accordance to his plans.
Also, Ray is not going against Light. He is not L. He's just doing his job. Light has no issue with not only getting rid of people that might make his life slightly more difficult, but has an utter willingness to use the innocent as expendable chess pieces in order to flush L out. Some "savior".
No, Ray is going against Light because is knowingly acting with the intent to put an end to Kira. He is conducting surveillance because of the possibility that he would be able to find Light to be Kira. Even if he doesn't have some intense moral conviction, and has been ordered to do this, he is choosing to do it. And like I said, Light's standard is that anyone who inhibits the creation of a perfect world by Kira meets the criteria for punishment, and Ray does that by limiting Light's movements and leaving open the possibility of suspicion.
myopius:
What you are saying would make more sense if that was the motivation Light had for killing Ray. He might use what you're saying as an excuse, were anyone to ask him, but his motivation for killing Ray was that his death happened to be a cog in his plans to expose L.
Ray was not disrupting Light's life to the point where he couldn't carry on as Kira, and again, logically he should know that if he just kept his head down, the dogs would be called off eventually.
That was an odd move to make by Light, considering that he already knew that he was probably not a suspect anymore. In fact, if Ray had made a report that he came into contact with Light and that report made it to L, it would make him a prime suspect when he killed off all those FBI agents. I guess Light is just too obsessed with messing with L. This was a stupid move imo, and Light is quickly turning into an oppressive maniac. Also, the plan he executed with Ray was very risky in its own right. Ray could have simply turned around and tried to apprehend him, as an emotional response to him threatening his fiancee. Or Ray could have left clues to this encounter somehow, like writing a quick note on his laptop. Especially if he recognized the voice in time. Hell, even showing himself at the end could have given Ray a chance to write something in his final moments. Light made tons of risky moves and mistakes, the writer just gives him too many breaks for the sake of not letting it end prematurely.
Also, one thought just occured to me, couldn't L make use of the information leak to set a trap somehow? Plus if L notices that Kira still manages to get his information he will know that Kira is connected to one of the final 5 people that are still working with him. I guess something like that is likely to happen now.
The reason why Light should kill Ray has been discussing actively for these days.I don't watch DN Anime very carefully and I wonder whether that was uttered in anime or not.But at leaset the reason is described in Manga.
DN anime is a little hasty, I think.
i thought this episode was great. but i was thinking,
why kill Ray Penbar via heart attack, and not through other means? IMO using the heart attack route did him more harm than good since he could have just made the death as more of a coincidence
Woah, I loved all the sublimal stuff during the whole train ride thingy. The anime showed Ray Penbar boarding the Yamanote line train at 3:10. When he finished writing the names of all the FBI agents, they showed the advertisement boards of the station he boarded from, which means the train has made 1 round trip (which according to wikipedia is about 60-65 mins) He stayed on the train for another 30min and alighted at 4:40.
This is an important clue for L to narrow down the suspects to Light. Why is Ray spending more time on the train than 1 round trip? Why is he staring toward the train as he died? I think this shows that no matter how careful you are in committing crimes, you are bound to leave some evidence.
I'd prefer if they had shown that Light had actually written into the note for Ray to carry his laptop to the meeting place and die 3 seconds after stepping off the train. Here it seems Light was lucky that Ray just happened to be carrying his laptop.
Orchunter226
2006-11-03, 12:36
I think my opinion of Light has changed greatly. Where as before I could see that he was walking in a gray area killing criminals, he is not just another killer. What he is doing is wrong. The police and FBI are not some criminals, they are people doing what they thing is right. Most of them are people just doing their jobs. They have done nothing wrong.
Ray Penbar died in fear of his family being killed. He died not because he was a criminal or because he did something wrong, merely because he was bothersome to Light. What Light is doing is very wrong.
My thoughts on Light's actions.
hitokirigirl
2006-11-03, 13:22
I really don't know what to think of this episode...Raito just acted stupidly this time.
Sorry, he actually KNEW Ray will forget him, yet he killed him just for the sake of exciting L...Raito you pervert :uhoh:
The more troublesome is by killing Ray, he's asking for his FBI girlfriend to tail him merciless. The scene when she cried was really painful, and I hate feeling that way :(
Something's bothering me since last eps when we found out Raito's father's the police chief : obviously their relationship is cold and distant, and it makes no doubt to me that Raito grew this way because of such parents : a mother greedy for good notes at school, and an absent father who is everything but cheerful and caring the rare minutes he's at home.
I'm saying that because of the dinner scene in this eps : Yagami says it will become dangerous from now on, and only Raito encourages him in that deadly way...wonder if he could get rid of him as he did with Ray.
Last, but not least, L : hell, how that monkey can live in such a luxury hotel ?!:heh: :heh:
Oh yeah, I forgot he must be rich, by solving impossible cases...
Anyway, Raito took a step...................of no return.
Deathkillz
2006-11-03, 13:50
this ep was nicely done again ^__^
how ever i did notice that the scene on the train was a bt rushed when compared with the manga but its to be expected considering the time on one ep...
well light made a massive move...killing off all the FBI and ruining L's reputation with the FBI and the japan police...while in the process pissing L off with the "shimigamis likes apples" joke :p
but at the end of this ep its clear that L is ready to strike back :D
btw...i must stress that im a huge fan of Naomi Misora...but her outcome made me cry >.<
The more troublesome is by killing Ray, he's asking for his FBI girlfriend to tail him merciless.
I thought that was a bit ridiculous. It was a massive leap of logic to go from a bus hijacking to narrowing it down to Kira. There are so many other simpler explanations, and many reasons why it probably wouldn't have been Kira from what the other characters know about it. You can feel the presence of the author when she just happens to hit upon the most miniscule and unlikely of explanations.
Something's bothering me since last eps when we found out Raito's father's the police chief : obviously their relationship is cold and distant, and it makes no doubt to me that Raito grew this way because of such parents : a mother greedy for good notes at school, and an absent father who is everything but cheerful and caring the rare minutes he's at home.
I'm saying that because of the dinner scene in this eps : Yagami says it will become dangerous from now on, and only Raito encourages him in that deadly way...wonder if he could get rid of him as he did with Ray.
I disagree with that. If your child is brilliant and diligent, and if getting into a top university is all Japanese student life revolves around, you'd be pretty excited about his scores too. I don't think his mother is any less loving for being proud of her son.
I also don't think that his father is all that cold and distant. He's definitely very busy and stressed these days with the Kira case, but I doubt he's always like that. In episode 3, his sister seemed happy when their father got home early and ran off to greet him, and from the scene at the family meeting, her attitude seems fairly relaxed, the way she wails at their father to quit and slumps over on the table.
As for Light's supportive attitude, I don't think he's planning to off his own father. First of all, he's a quiet and serious person, so his family would have found it out of character for him to suddenly act like his sister. And being an intelligent and proud person, I think it would have sounded more natural to his parents that he would have the confidence to think he could challenge Kira. More importantly, his father's position at the head of the investigation meant that he had access to all the latest information on the case and early warning about any progress or change in the investigation. As such, it is important that his father remains on the case to give him inside information.
I'm not saying that his upbringing has nothing to do with the way he has responded to the ownership of the Death Note. I just think it's different from what you see. From his father's job as a police officer, he's probably been indoctrinated to think about things in terms of right and wrong. He's probably heard his father talk about various disturbing cases, examples when the justice system failed to properly punish a criminal due to insufficient evidence, loopholes, legal wrangling, etc., and has a deep familiarity with the darker side of humanity. I think this upbringing (and his sheer intellect) may have given him the sense that he is more capable of distinguishing right from wrong than most people, as well as feeling an urgent need to do away with the ills of the world without being tied up by legal procedures, bureaucracy, and technicalities like the police and the courts.
Just had a thought... Is it possible that criminal organizations are trying to track down Kira aswell? Don't know the manga, but I can imagine they would be desperate to get rid of him.
hitokirigirl
2006-11-03, 15:20
I disagree with that. If your child is brilliant and diligent, and if getting into a top university is all Japanese student life revolves around, you'd be pretty excited about his scores too. I don't think his mother is any less loving for being proud of her son.
Sore wa dou kana...I saw many japanese TV reports about that race to perfect school scores. And the results sometimes led to suicide. But yeah it's marginal, of course :p
I also don't think that his father is all that cold and distant. He's definitely very busy and stressed these days with the Kira case, but I doubt he's always like that. In episode 3, his sister seemed happy when their father got home early and ran off to greet him, and from the scene at the family meeting, her attitude seems fairly relaxed, the way she wails at their father to quit and slumps over on the table.
What makes think that is the previous episode : the father was talking to everybody except him during the dinner. At least his mother asks him about school and stuff. Yagami doesn't seem to pay a single attention to his son.
As for Light's supportive attitude, I don't think he's planning to off his own father. First of all, he's a quiet and serious person, so his family would have found it out of character for him to suddenly act like his sister.
he's quiet and serious : his seriousness is the most fearful thing actually ^^"
he said it in eps 1 : this world is crumbling. If he believed in Santa Claus, I'm sure he'd have ordered a similar note years ago :heh: :heh:
Besides, when he realized DN was real, he was kinda in ecstasy, rather than scared :uhoh: :uhoh:
I don't think he'd kill his pops either, at least I hope :eyespin:
He's probably heard his father talk about various disturbing cases, examples when the justice system failed to properly punish a criminal due to insufficient evidence, loopholes, legal wrangling, etc., and has a deep familiarity with the darker side of humanity.
I think this upbringing (and his sheer intellect) may have given him the sense that he is more capable of distinguishing right from wrong than most people, as well as feeling an urgent need to do away with the ills of the world without being tied up by legal procedures, bureaucracy, and technicalities like the police and the courts.[/spoiler]
You made a good point about the system failure because of lack of evidence. I know some people who experience that frustation.
But truly, he's not more capable than anyone else : don't tell me you have to be Einstein to be aware that raping women and kill children is bad !!!!
After all, 90% people live righteously (God, I hope it's true ^^")
PhantomX
2006-11-03, 16:11
Ok, a little clarification for me please ... when Penbar is writing the names of the people in the boxes, he's writing through the top paper and onto the Death Note one, right?
If that is so, then I have no respect for Light's plan. I mean, how could he know that Ray Penbar wouldn't look at the page behind and see the method of death written on there? That would've ruined the entire plan -_-. You could always argue that Ray would do it anyways for the sake of saving his loved ones, but he'ld also know that Kira was trying to dupe him, and he would gain some insight into how Kira does the killing ...
If that is so, then I have no respect for Light's plan. I mean, how could he know that Ray Penbar wouldn't look at the page behind and see the method of death written on there? That would've ruined the entire plan -_-. You could always argue that Ray would do it anyways for the sake of saving his loved ones, but he'ld also know that Kira was trying to dupe him, and he would gain some insight into how Kira does the killing ...
From episode 4, Light verifies that Ray Penbar is the type of person who will willingly risk his own life for a stranger. In episode 5, Kira says that he can kill everyone around him because he can see their faces, and he threatens Ray that, if he does anything funny, he wouldn't hesitate to kill.
What makes think that is the previous episode : the father was talking to everybody except him during the dinner. At least his mother asks him about school and stuff. Yagami doesn't seem to pay a single attention to his son.
His father was the one who asked him about school.
You made a good point about the system failure because of lack of evidence. I know some people who experience that frustation.
But truly, he's not more capable than anyone else : don't tell me you have to be Einstein to be aware that raping women and kill children is bad !!!!
I'm not saying he's more capable of discerning right from wrong. I'm saying he thinks he is. I don't think I need to elaborate much on that - the world situation today is enough evidence that most people on the world stage think they have the monopoly on truth and the ability to discern absolutely what is right and what is wrong. Add a large dose of intellect that has over and over been proven to be way above that of his peers, a near-front-seat view of crime and criminals - it all adds up to an overwhelming desire for justice fueled by a sense of self-righteousness and sustained by his confidence in his capacity for reasoning and logic.
Not that it's a major issue, but
At this time, we don't know Naomi's name, just that she is Ray's fiance. If people know her name, then they possibly could not enjoy what happens between her and Light next episode as much because they would be either confused by her initial introduction or just be less surprised.
What you are saying would make more sense if that was the motivation Light had for killing Ray. He might use what you're saying as an excuse, were anyone to ask him, but his motivation for killing Ray was that his death happened to be a cog in his plans to expose L.
If that's the case, I don't see the distinction, because that cog in his plans was the fruit of his desire to kill L, the person who would inhibit the creation of his perfect world.
I just saw this episode and as much as I love the events that unfold, I disagree with a few ways they're characterizing events and people.
As usual, they characterize with the intention of confirming that Light is the bad guy. The NPA's outcry over the FBI's death noted that since he killed non-criminal who pursued him, "he's a true serial killer". Another new addition to the anime which exists for the sake of "moral clarification". In the manga none of the NPA ever implied he was less of a serial killer because he spared non-criminals for a time (nor did they even express their opinions; Soichiro had the floor). However, certainly viewers could, and that's who this is aimed at. I haven't been pointing these out but this one is just so blatant it really annoys me.
And importantly, in the anime, Ray's fiance all of a sudden asked all sorts of detailed questions about the busjacking. She immediately asked if the criminal had ended up dead. There's no way any non-L person would think that quickly. In the manga she just guessed that Ray had to show his badge to somebody to keep order (which they /ommitted/ in the anime, as a matter of fact; probably because with how talkative she was, they wouldn't have been able to let her know that without also knowing who he showed it to).
I did really like how they kept Light's face shadowed as he responded to his father's decision to continue to pursue Kira. Overall, however, it doesn't feel like too notable an episode to me.
I wonder whether the next episode will cover 2 or 3 manga chapters? There's an important distinction...
If that's the case, I don't see the distinction, because that cog in his plans was the fruit of his desire to kill L, the person who would inhibit the creation of his perfect world.
The only way, before this point, L could inhibit Light's plans for a perfect world is if Light gets sucked into responding to L instead of continuing with his plans and evading capture. Obviously, at this point it's too late. Let the dick measuring contest begin!
Sorrow-K
2006-11-03, 20:30
Wow that was a great episode.Light is a hell of a lot smarter than I am. I'd have made the assumption that Ray Penbar knew which of fellow FBI agents were in the country and Death Noted him to deliver detailed files containing their identities and pictures before dying of a heart attack. Light realized Penbar may not have had such things and the way in which he manipulated him into killing his own teammates was brilliant.I'm extremely impressed with how clever this anime can be. I'd have never thought up such methods, let alone guess them, in a million years.
The atmosphere is great as well, but it's the story that's aiding that the most. I mean, the music and animation are typical of a Madhouse feature with this sort of budget, but the real appeal of this anime just completely transcends that. The whole just so enthralling and intriguing.
DownloadingData
2006-11-04, 08:05
What Light is doing is very wrong.
Relax, no one ever said what light's doing is very "right".
Ray and the FBIs were simply a tool which Light manipulated to cause further disagreement between L and the police force.
Also, to a lesser extent, the FBI were an obstacle and potential threat to his personal safety. Had it been in real life, it would be logical for anyone to do what Light has done, perhaps via another method, provided, they share the common goal of becoming a "god" by wielding the power of the death note.
What i thought was that, morality issues aside, his actions were more than justified in the sense that he is in fact, moving closer to his ultimate goal of hunting down L.
I was actually not too surprised by light's ingenuity and cunningness shown in this episode. In terms of the script, it is fairly well done. But i guess i've probably seen too much conan, in which the culprits are so creative to the extent it is beyond imagination.
I have not read any manga, so this is pure speculation...
"The human who uses this not can neither go to Heavan nor Hell."
Hmm, looks like there might be a Ray Penbar shinigami roaming around now?
Just a guess...
No manga spoilers please :)
Lollerpants
2006-11-04, 18:20
^ Hahaha, well, it's not FMA, I'll tell you that much.
IMSabbel
2006-11-04, 19:50
I have not read any manga, so this is pure speculation...
"The human who uses this not can neither go to Heavan nor Hell."
Hmm, looks like there might be a Ray Penbar shinigami roaming around now?
Just a guess...
No manga spoilers please :)
Well, that doesnt make any sense.
Read your quote again. Its the _user_ of the deadnote, not the target that gets neither to heaven nor hell. So if anything, there would be a kira shinigami. (or did i mix up something again?)
OTOH, its more likely that the statement is to be taken literally: They just end. No afterlive,ect. They just get annihilated.
FatPianoBoy
2006-11-04, 20:41
Well, that doesnt make any sense.
Read your quote again. Its the _user_ of the deadnote, not the target that gets neither to heaven nor hell. So if anything, there would be a kira shinigami. (or did i mix up something again?)
OTOH, its more likely that the statement is to be taken literally: They just end. No afterlive,ect. They just get annihilated.
But Ray did use the Death Note, remember? Light made him kill his comrades by writing on the paper with the holes in it. He wasn't aware of what he was doing, but he did use it.
But Ray did use the Death Note, remember? Light made him kill his comrades by writing on the paper with the holes in it. He wasn't aware of what he was doing, but he did use it.
I think the rule was more like "the owner of the death note" can't go to heaven or hell, so it only applies to Light. So this rule doesn't apply to other people who use the death note, like Ray.
EDIT: on second thought, maybe it was user....I don't remember. If it was user, I'm not really sure of the answer then...
FatPianoBoy
2006-11-04, 21:54
I think the rule was more like "the owner of the death note" can't go to heaven or hell, so it only applies to Light. So this rule doesn't apply to other people who use the death note, like Ray.
Are you sure? I clearly remember Ryuk saying: "humans who have used the Death Note..."
No stipulation in there about owning it or not.
Yeah, that just occurred to me. But, maybe it was just a mistranslation and they really meant owner and not user, but anyways, I don't remember the exact words Ryuk used...anyways, forget what I said before
This was just malicious cunning and ingenuity from Kira/Light to compromise Ray Penbar and had him to write the names of all the FBI agents stationed in Japan relunctantly and without being awared on the DEATH NOTE page.
His death was portrayed more agonizing due to the slow motion the scene was shot and reaching for Kira, who moments before Penbar dies, reveals himself as Light before him just as the doors of the subway car slide shut on Ray's face.
I commend Kira for the strategy and cunning not only for eliminating within the single blow potential interference from the FBI but also forcing 'L' to at last show to-be-soon his face:
1. FBI calls off to provide anymore help to L due to a potential retaliation from Kira.
2. Kira leaked that L had the FBI checking on the Tokyo Police Force, provoking dissension within the Japanese Police Department.
3. Due to Kira's ever growing threat coupled with L's relunctance to show his identity, the police members dwindle in numbers to resign from the case.
4. There are now five members of the Tokyo Police, including Light's father, who are staying afloat with the case.
5. Kira has forced L to lure him out from his hiding place. L knows better he's walking right into the wolf's den, but he must also taking into thought that Kira overlooked some critical details that flaw his accomplishments.
6. Kira/Light doesn't know for now that L's already in Japan and confiding with the remaining police members that are working in the case.
7. Ray's wife, a former FBI agent, is taking the case personally working with her detective skills to trace Kira's whereabouts, unknown to him.
I must confess Ray's wife is an exquisite lady with an inquisitive mind to work stoic for the sake of Ray's legacy to have Kira busted.
What's her name?
Sinestra
2006-11-04, 22:30
Well i had giving Light the benefit of the doubt hoping that he would not kill Ray but he did. So now to me Light is no diffrent than a serial killer just one that happens to be very intellgient. He bullshit words about punishing the guilty were just that words if he was a true hero of justice he would not treat innocnet lives like chess peices in a game. Ray was just doing his job like any other person had commited no crime and had a family and fiancee Ray had everything to live for and was good member of society yet Light killed him off like a common criminal. I was thinking killing him with a heart attack was a mistake but he was sending a message to L so it was appropriate.
However killing Ray was a mistake on many diffrent levels not to mention the number one reason morality. Granted the U.S. stop pulled the FBI of the case conerning Kira. But killing the agents has now cemented Kiras case as a serial killer and given L info to go on. Also, he might have killed of Ray but in doing so he brought anothing player in the game who has more reason than anyone to catch him Ray's fiancee. From the looks of her she seems very capable and her mind seems to be sharper than Ray's was. She now has a personal grudge against Light this motivation alone can be enough for one person to do a lot of damage. I think she will play a huge role from now on im hoping that she joins up with L. Im conerned about what might have happened to Ray since he used the death note im thinking he might be excused from the not going to heaven and hell part since he was tricked.
Im firmly on L side now Kira to me is just another criminal who happens to be smart. He has fallen into the trap that many men in history have he has absolute power and absolute power corrupts. Plus im pretty sure that he just cant use the deathnote with out consaquences which we may see towards the end of the series. If the police department plays there cards right they could get the public on their side causing Lights ego to take a hit. If the police tells the media that Kira has killed innocent people including FBI agents with no criminal past people would stop supporting him. I cant think of anything that would hurt Light as people not thinking of him as the hand of justice but as a criminal. This is a good psychological way to get him to make a mistake. The more innocent people Light kills the more enemies hes going to make and guess what the death note only has so many pages. What hes doing reminds me of what Stalin did to his own people.
The more innocent people Light kills the more enemies hes going to make and guess what the death note only has so many pages.
I think the deathnote has unlimited pages magically. What do shinigami do when they run out of pages? Ask for another from the death god boss?
Ok, a little clarification for me please ... when Penbar is writing the names of the people in the boxes, he's writing through the top paper and onto the Death Note one, right?
If that is so, then I have no respect for Light's plan. I mean, how could he know that Ray Penbar wouldn't look at the page behind and see the method of death written on there? That would've ruined the entire plan -_-. You could always argue that Ray would do it anyways for the sake of saving his loved ones, but he'ld also know that Kira was trying to dupe him, and he would gain some insight into how Kira does the killing ...
Anyway Ray Penbar and his colleagues' fate was already sealed when ray revealed his name. Remember light tested the limits of the deathnote and found out that he can control the events leading to the person's death as long as it is possible. For that reason, as long as light carefully writes exactly what will happen during that day within the limits, everything WILL go according what he writes. So Ray wont see the page behind, because light written that ray will not see the page behind.
I think the deathnote has unlimited pages magically. What do shinigami do when they run out of pages? Ask for another from the death god boss?
Maybe they use liquid paper or eraser to erase all the names. :D
On the death note's capacity,
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=706951&postcount=74
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=712439&postcount=50 (just the contents of the spoiler)
For a brief explanation,
Most likely, it can't run out of space to write names. There's a very small chance that it can, depending on the motivation for different ways a certain line was translated and also on the motivation for writing a contradictory statement in a later chapter, but I'd say it's at least 95% chance that it can't fill up. How it doesn't is ambiguous, however.
While I've noticed people saying that Light is very smart to have pulled this off, I haven't noticed anyone mentioning a certain aspect of that, so I'll mention it. We see that at least twice Ray almost realizes Light's voice, but doesn't. We also see that there are no small errors, either, like Ray instinctively turning around before Light can mention that he's Kira, and Ray doesn't come up with a way of subverting Light's plan. That's the true power of the death note: because it was reasonably possible for Ray to cooperate as long as he thought his fiance was in danger and as long as he doesn't recognize Light's voice, he did. For instance, if Ray had just recognized Light's voice, he could have removed the earpiece and yelled out "Tell the NPA Yagami Light is Kira!" and if he died of a heart attack in front of them I'm sure they would, and he knows Kira wouldn't have their names so the word would get out. But even then he wouldn't have, because of his fiance's life. He could have considered a plan like, write down 'Yagami Light is Kira. Tell the NPA' on a piece of paper, fold it in half, and write on the outside 'Please believe me. If I die of a heart attack, unfold this paper. Kira is targeting me', hand it to someone, and then told Light about what he'd done over the earpiece. But even if he'd been able to think of that miraculously, and Light hadn't noticed him from his vantage point, then the other person would have been controlled indirectly by the death note into not believing the paper. Ray immediately revealing that he had a laptop with him on which he could receive the names of inmates instead of even considering bluffing is something which I also suspect was probably death note control. In those kinds of conditions, the validity of which Light had tested for using inmates, there was no way Light wouldn't have pulled off his plan, unless it was somehow already too unreasonable for Ray to be at the subway by the time Light wrote it down in the note, but Light probably knew that someone in Ray's position is already making a lot of autonomous decisions.
Sinestra
2006-11-05, 17:46
I think the deathnote has unlimited pages magically. What do shinigami do when they run out of pages? Ask for another from the death god boss?
I was going by what the other Shinigamis said about the DN filling up In episode 4 the other death gods say that Ryuk would either have to stick around till the human was finished or the note book was finished. We cant assume that the same rules for a Shinigami apply to a human like Light as well. Yes he can use the DN but that does not make him a SHinigami. Im convienced that Light cant go on forever using the DN. Maybe it will come as a twist but if think about how gods think they usually get bored of humans. Let us not forget also that Ryuk still has another DN. Where he got it from i dont know maybe he did ask the death god boss for another.;) He told the other death gods he lost his so how did he get another one
I thought that was a bit ridiculous. It was a massive leap of logic to go from a bus hijacking to narrowing it down to Kira. There are so many other simpler explanations, and many reasons why it probably wouldn't have been Kira from what the other characters know about it. You can feel the presence of the author when she just happens to hit upon the most miniscule and unlikely of explanations.
I felt the same way. Ray's fiancee theory was close, even if she was an ex-FBI agent I think it was just too much for someone to pull that one. Now she really seems determined to find Kira, but looking at preview it seems Light has some sort of plan for her already.
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FatPianoBoy
2006-11-05, 22:10
I felt the same way. Ray's fiancee theory was close, even if she was an ex-FBI agent I think it was just too much for someone to pull that one. Now she really seems determined to find Kira, but looking at preview it seems Light has some sort of plan for her already.
I don't think it was a huge leap at all. For her to be so convinced of it is defiintely a leap (we'll pretend that's just due to the shock of losing her husband :P), but suspecting it is quite logical.
A criminal dies on the bus her husband was on, who just so happened to be working on the Kira case. Then just a little while later, he dies of a heart attack. It's logical to suspect Kira's involvement in the hijacker's death, all things considered.
Besides that, it's her only lead.
Is Penbar's wife the one will bring Kira down?
Cooldude
2006-11-06, 00:54
There is a very big change in the anime as to the method to killing those FBI agents as oppose to the manga, personally didn't liked this change as it affects several quite logical deductions from L later on.
Light thought he had to kill the agents as if he leaves them be, they'll eventually suspect him even though he isn't suspected now. He already said that last episode or two ago. It makes perfect sense. And by killing the FBI agents it officially warns the police that they're dead if they're after him, which also worked quite damn well
BrokenWingz
2006-11-06, 03:15
We see that at least twice Ray almost realizes Light's voice, but doesn't. We also see that there are no small errors, either, like Ray instinctively turning around before Light can mention that he's Kira, and Ray doesn't come up with a way of subverting Light's plan. That's the true power of the death note: because it was reasonably possible for Ray to cooperate as long as he thought his fiance was in danger and as long as he doesn't recognize Light's voice, he did. For instance, if Ray had just recognized Light's voice, he could have removed the earpiece and yelled out "Tell the NPA Yagami Light is Kira!" and if he died of a heart attack in front of them I'm sure they would, and he knows Kira wouldn't have their names so the word would get out. But even then he wouldn't have, because of his fiance's life. He could have considered a plan like, write down 'Yagami Light is Kira. Tell the NPA' on a piece of paper, fold it in half, and write on the outside 'Please believe me. If I die of a heart attack, unfold this paper. Kira is targeting me', hand it to someone, and then told Light about what he'd done over the earpiece. But even if he'd been able to think of that miraculously, and Light hadn't noticed him from his vantage point, then the other person would have been controlled indirectly by the death note into not believing the paper. Ray immediately revealing that he had a laptop with him on which he could receive the names of inmates instead of even considering bluffing is something which I also suspect was probably death note control. In those kinds of conditions, the validity of which Light had tested for using inmates, there was no way Light wouldn't have pulled off his plan, unless it was somehow already too unreasonable for Ray to be at the subway by the time Light wrote it down in the note, but Light probably knew that someone in Ray's position is already making a lot of autonomous decisions.
Yes, if Rey /Ray had noticed his voice then it would've worked nicely. Just a few things I think as to why he wasn't able to.
1. He was quite nervous after seeing a guy get murdered right in front of him.
2. He was too busy thinking / abiding as to what Kira was telling him.
3. Probably the most crucial, the fact that this event took place a week after he meet Light, and from the bus meeting they only exchanged around 6 lines to each other, and we all know how hard it is to remember a voice of a stranger :p
Giving this ep a 9, the idea of getting someone to 'use' the death note was cunning , though it felt kinda similar to the previous episode where he got the robber to touch the death note.
I'll probaly get the worst for say this but this applies to well for Ray. You got struck by a smooth criminal.
Kinny Riddle
2006-11-06, 09:54
It just gets better doesn't it? Light at his most brilliant evil-ness. You don't get an anti-protagonist as cunning as Light.
How about I provide another perspective?
While it would have been true that had Light laid low for a bit longer, the FBI wouldn't suspect him at all. But that way he'll drift further and further apart from L. Light wants to get nearer to L, it's not surprising he's willing to risk exposing his whereabouts by killing the FBI agents in order get closer to L and kill him.
BTW, the soundtrack just gets better and better. While Monster used a haunting orchestral soundtrack, Madhouse matched that by giving DN a dark heavy metal track.
It just gets better doesn't it? Light at his most brilliant evil-ness. You don't get an anti-protagonist as cunning as Light.
How about I provide another perspective?
While it would have been true that had Light laid low for a bit longer, the FBI wouldn't suspect him at all. But that way he'll drift further and further apart from L. Light wants to get nearer to L, it's not surprising he's willing to risk exposing his whereabouts by killing the FBI agents in order get closer to L and kill him.
BTW, the soundtrack just gets better and better. While Monster used a haunting orchestral soundtrack, Madhouse matched that by giving DN a dark heavy metal track.
At the moment it Light is one of the best bad guys I've seen in a while.
It's weird, but one of the things that annoys me about this episode, manga or anime version, is Ray reaction to his fiancee's inquiries. It's in line with the Japanese philosophy (get married, quit work, raise a family), but for a couple of American FBI agents, it just isn't correct. For that matter, I sincerely doubt anyone as smart and dedicated as her would have quit the FBI just because she was getting married. Plus, Ray's attitude towards her seems pretty condescending: "You're not an agent, so your opinions don't matter. Just shut up and wait to do the housework and be a mother." Pheh. If she'd been on the bus instead of Ray, Kira would've been caught in a matter of hours.
As far as Light putting himself under more suspicion by killing the FBI agents, it's what he's after. It's got to be. Think about it: he deliberately let people know someone was killing criminals as soon as he chose a signature method of attack. He keeps drawing in the enemy closer and closer, until he's got a clear shot. Guy's already thinking thirty moves ahead.
On a different note: Ever wonder if Light would lose to Mulder and Scully? And, on yet another face, wouldn't the CIA be the ones investigating Kira? I was under the impression the FBI handles strictly domestic stuff.
R.
I was going to post something along those lines myself. How horribly condescending was his attitude towards her? "Yeah, your opinion doesn't matter, I only brought you here to meet your parents, and you'll forget all this crazy "agent" nonsense as soon as I put a baby or two in your belly." Maybe Ray dying was the best thing that could have happened to her. :p
This series just keep getting better and better. Though I found it "jacked-up" what happened. And it just goes to show you what 'Ray's financee was figuring stuff out. In a way this show really has you on the edge of your seat.
Oh, does anyone know what that type of writing is called? Where you write a normal message but there is a hidden message that only the person it's directed toward would catch? I know there is a name for it as it's something "forensic" experts who handle writings deal with.
Suna no tate
2006-11-06, 18:08
Light is now just a murderer. Its one thing to protect himself. But its another to murder people who are just doing their jobs. Its not like he gave them a warning. Still you gotta admire the guy. When you're building a new society, some people just can't fit in and he has the resolve to do away with them, innocent they may be. So I'm still mixed. This whole series has really been something. The question I immediately asked as did everyone would be what would I do with the deathnote if I had it. Strangely enough, most of us would probably be doing more or less what Light is doing, but with a few changes here and there. Power is power and is meant to be used. It'd be worse if he just didn't do anything with the deathnote...
Deathkillz
2006-11-06, 19:03
I was going to post something along those lines myself. How horribly condescending was his attitude towards her? "Yeah, your opinion doesn't matter, I only brought you here to meet your parents, and you'll forget all this crazy "agent" nonsense as soon as I put a baby or two in your belly." Maybe Ray dying was the best thing that could have happened to her. :p
lol thats what i was kinda thinking :heh: ray seems like the aboslute "man of the house" type of guy...but still she didnt seem to mind and its soo sad to see such a pretty face cry :( light needs to pay! :frustrated:
Sinestra
2006-11-06, 19:04
anyone think that Kira's plan whatever it may be for Penbars Finacee might not pan out the way he wants it? for some reason im getting the feeling that she will be around for a while and may play an important role. She really has nothing to lose shes already lost the man she loves if she dies in the process of trying take down her mans killer then that might be enough for her. whats her name by the way?
Actually to be honest I thought that was messed up too with Ray telling his fiancee some crap like that. C'mon man, she's a FBI agent! Sure you might not want her getting involved with this but man listen to what she's got to say. Don't hand her some s**t like that! :frustrated:
But here's something, how many caught that whole deal at the dinner table with Light's family. Father tells him that he's gearing up for this case and of the only 2 people that show any concern is his wife and daughter. While Light may have shown concern it was as phony as hell. Hell, even his father wondered about that statement. Because it was almost two sided. In one hand it's like sure let the game begin. More than likely we'll see how much his family matters against holding onto the 'Death Note'. And on the other hand, his father probably wondered about that statement, "you're going to send him to hell if I get killed. If I'm having trouble finding this person what makes you so sure you can?" Not to mention the statement was somewhat cold. Eventually, he may end up suspecting him but who knows when.
Man talk about a show that has you head churning. My mind doesn't usually get that worked up on shows and it usually takes me some time to figure stuff out. But for some reason the complexity of this show may be simple enough that you don't have to wrack you're brain so much. Or maybe I like forensics stories. Again this is not the stuff I normally get into in a anime show. ;)
But here's something, how many caught that whole deal at the dinner table with Light's family. Father tells him that he's gearing up for this case and of the only 2 people that show any concern is his wife and daughter. While Light may have shown concern it was as phony as hell. Hell, even his father wondered about that statement. Because it was almost two sided. In one hand it's like sure let the game begin. More than likely we'll see how much his family matters against holding onto the 'Death Note'. And on the other hand, his father probably wondered about that statement, "you're going to send him to hell if I get killed. If I'm having trouble finding this person what makes you so sure you can?" Not to mention the statement was somewhat cold. Eventually, he may end up suspecting him but who knows when.
Hmm, I disagree with that. Like I said earlier, I think his family probably feels that suits Light's personality.
Recall earlier in episode 2 that Light's cover story for the Death Note is that "he's practicing to become a detective". That sounds like a really lame excuse, unless it's an ambition he's exhibited in the past, perhaps by showing interest in his father's work or trying to help solve cases.
Furthermore, you'll remember Light's zealous desire to create a just world with only good people. People that idealistic and passionate would put their lives on the line to do what they feel they have to do - and Light was prepared to condemn his soul when he decided to use the Death Note for his goals. Therefore, it wouldn't be surprising to his family that he would agree with his police-officer father that one should not back down from trying to bring down a terrible killer like Kira.
I also don't think his father was thinking such things. He knows Light is incredibly smart, and most certainly smarter than him. If anything, he doesn't want Light getting involved, but he doesn't say anything because he knows that once Light has made up his mind, he wouldn't budge.
PhantomX
2006-11-07, 22:33
This series just keep getting better and better. Though I found it "jacked-up" what happened. And it just goes to show you what 'Ray's financee was figuring stuff out. In a way this show really has you on the edge of your seat.
Oh, does anyone know what that type of writing is called? Where you write a normal message but there is a hidden message that only the person it's directed toward would catch? I know there is a name for it as it's something "forensic" experts who handle writings deal with.
I think they are called cryptic messages, no? An yeah, everytime I watch this episode, I'm kind of disgusted with Ray's attitude towards his wife. They could've easily taken the "I just don't want you to get endangered" approach, but opted instead for "You're my woman so shut up and go cook." It has kind of made this my least favorite episode so far, despite the cat and mouse action going on between L and Light, that portrayal of American life is a little off (lol, especially since here all it takes is a bad day to lead to a divorce XD)
...An yeah, everytime I watch this episode, I'm kind of disgusted with Ray's attitude towards his wife. They could've easily taken the "I just don't want you to get endangered" approach, but opted instead for "You're my woman so shut up and go cook." It has kind of made this my least favorite episode so far, despite the cat and mouse action going on between L and Light...
Well the hole point of Ray's attitude towards his soon to be wife is to give the audience a reason to dislike Ray. Up until then I didn't want to see Ray go. The thing I found messed up was how Light actually used the name of Kira for the first time, and how Light got Ray to kill the other FBI agentes in Japan by cutting out pages from the Death Note and having Ray right on them.
White Manju Bun
2006-11-09, 19:21
Nice epi! The OST is so awesome, I loved how it fit into the subway seen. Man Light is getting crazy! I was disappointed we didnt see L at the end but you know he's coming in epi 6!!!
juri_miki
2006-11-10, 08:31
It's weird, but one of the things that annoys me about this episode, manga or anime version, is Ray reaction to his fiancee's inquiries. It's in line with the Japanese philosophy (get married, quit work, raise a family), but for a couple of American FBI agents, it just isn't correct. For that matter, I sincerely doubt anyone as smart and dedicated as her would have quit the FBI just because she was getting married. Plus, Ray's attitude towards her seems pretty condescending: "You're not an agent, so your opinions don't matter. Just shut up and wait to do the housework and be a mother." Pheh. If she'd been on the bus instead of Ray, Kira would've been caught in a matter of hours.
I couldn't agree more. Though, personally, I think that Raye Penbar is like the biggest idiot in any anime I've EVER seen. Even towards the end, all Raye had to do was to misspell the names of all of them even it meant his death. Or he could've been really, really loud about what was going to call attention to himself. It's sad that his idiocy brought about the deaths of his coworkers.
My friend had discussed this particular point in the story when we first read it in the manga, but seeing it in the anime upsets me all over again. We were wondering were/how Raye was raised. He, basically, told her to, "STFU, since all you're going to be good for is cleaning up the house and having my babies." I'm even sure that there are still American men who still think like that, but, normally, having TWO people working means that there's 2 ways of income coming in.
I mean, he didn't even take her suggestion into consideration and TOTALLY blew it off.
Another thing that bothered me about this episode, was what the US did. Actually, it's something that bothered me all throughout Death Note. In this episode though, the US stopped it's investigation completely. I know that this the wrtier has 'creative license', but, realistically, 12 American FBI agents were all killed by Kira. I don't see the US gov, OR the FBI, letting that fly, especially if the US us still the acting Military for the country.
Wouldn't what have Light done been almost a direct declaration of war with the US? Wouldn't the US pressured Japan to step up their investigation, making it seem as if Japan is harboring a WMD itself? IRL, Kira would've been the new 'Osama Bin Laden' or 'Saddam Hussein.' I would've seen Japan, especially that region of being under Martial Law. Or even the US paying L up the ass to reveal all the info he knew, especially since they knew that there was quite possibly a leak in the NPA.
Maybe I'm wrong in thinking so, but even so, Kira took the lives of 12 innocent FBI agents. I don't see the US media or the US government taking that as a sign to 'retreat'. Though I think that it was interesting that Ohba thought so.
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