Code Geass - Manga Discussion Thread

[KrimzonStriker]

I agree! In any case, Gino did hit on Kallen. Whether he ever succeed, we will never know. The poor character seems unused in any of the manga, LotR, SotC or even NoN.

Rolo in the anime probably won't be able to obtain a position like NoN!Rolo did. When LotR!Rolo first appeared, his evil smirk spark an interest on me. That ought to be the face he should have if he wasn't changed after meeting Lelouch. The cold faced assassin. NoN!Rolo did impress me a lot. He is given a bigger area to roll. Having power and such as a cardinal and being a prince.

That and his Vincent was just sweet this time around, I like the darker undertones on it in the manga as well, and how it one-shots the Gawain, or made it's debut with a heck of a lot of guns blowing the landscape and everyone on it to pieces. Anya being his right-hand was cool too, LoTR Rolo never had anyone to really boss around <_<

[azul120]

Is it still not reasonable for me to somewhat dislike Rolo for attempting to displace Nunnally as Lelouch's sibling, and for killing Shirley?

[Nobodyman9]

Is it still not reasonable for me to somewhat dislike Rolo for attempting to displace Nunnally as Lelouch's sibling, and for killing Shirley?
It is not at all unreasonable. Of course this Rolo is a different Rolo and, while I haven't read the manga, I'm sure there were quite different circumstances surrounding him.

[Pink-chan]

For those who are waiting for the next LotR manga, your effort in waiting is finally paid off. Vol. 6 is released on 25th April 2009. Cover image is not released yet. Final volume of NoN will be released on the same day.

LoTR Vol.6 (http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%82%B3%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89%E3%82%AE%E3%82%A2%E3%8 2%B9-%E5%8F%8D%E9%80%86%E3%81%AE%E3%83%AB%E3%83%AB%E3%8 3%BC%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A5-%E7%AC%AC6%E5%B7%BB-%E3%83%9E%E3%82%B8%E3%82%B3/dp/4048543121/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239198633&sr=1-2)

NoN Vol. 5 (http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%82%B3%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89%E3%82%AE%E3%82%A2%E3%8 2%B9-%E3%83%8A%E3%82%A4%E3%83%88%E3%83%A1%E3%82%A2%E3%8 3%BB%E3%82%AA%E3%83%96%E3%83%BB%E3%83%8A%E3%83%8A% E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC-5-%E3%81%9F%E3%81%8F%E3%81%BE-%E6%9C%8B%E6%AD%A3/dp/4047152315/ref=pd_sim_b_1)

Okay. I had completed deciphering Code 23 of NoN. Any mistake, once again I hope someone well-verse in Japanese will be able to clarify them later. Those who support the work, please purchase the manga when it's released ;).



There is increase of uprising activities due to Charles’ reformation.
Coup de tat occurred in 11 areas where Former Nobles’ army whose ststaus was strapped for the same reason is located.
Charles’ whereabouts is unknown ever since the announcement is made. Former Britannia Areas System is facing the danger of collapsing due to formation of Eden Vital Education State.
The chaos could not be stopped without a new king.

Euphemia is to be the new king who will being the chaos to an end. Cornelia could understand if Euphemia is selected as she is negotiating with Kyoto for the return of the name of Japan to them.
However, for her to claim for the crown will require approvals from 80% of Elder members of the Parliament and half of the royal family.
Prime Minister, Schneizel and Elders Members of Parliament seal of endorsement file was sent to Kyoto’s location just before the Emperor’s announcement to abolish the Empire. Euphemia is surprised that Schneizel had anticipated this situation.
Cornelia acknowledged the idea. Euphemia on the other hand was inconfident. Kaguya could understand her fear of being burdened by affairs of a country but encouraged her to go through the whole thing till the end since she was the one who led the negotiation which had already contradict with her country's policy and questioned her resolution.

Euphemia who took on the crown, took a stand and gave a motivating speech. But for her to take the crown doesn’t mean the revival of the tyrannical Britannia system. Declaring all areas to be released from Britannia rules, she hopes to build a new Britannia together with all of the nations.
At the same time, Zero was giving a similar speech to the BK. By crowning Euphemia, Britannia, their enemy had vanished. Charles who proclaimed himself as the Absolute Emperor and his Eden Vital Education State was their common enemy and they would form an alliance and together, they shall destroy them.

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Lucretia helped in preparing Alice and Nunnally by using “The Land” to calculate the route to be taken to Kaminejima.
Nunnally was unsure of having Alice to go with her. Alice reassured her that they would return together. It was not like they are going to a place of doom.
Sancia remarked that Alice was finally released from the curse of her sister and found where she belonged. Lucretia too noted that it was the first time Lucretia saw such expression from Alice.

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The battle began.
Debut of Lancelot Albion. Suzaku ordered an opening to be created in the island.
Zero commented that this battle concerned the fate of all the human beings and he should fight with all his might. Suzaku answered in sarcastic manner for such comment to be coming out from the Demon King, Zero. However, that was the kind of power the enemy possessed. Suzaku exclaimed that he was the knight of Emperor Euphemia and as her sword; he would bring about victory without fail.
Zero noted that his honesty was his strength. C.C. apologized for having Lelouch to send Nunnally to the place of doom which was cast off by Lelouch as that was his choice. His choice to wager on Nunnally’s feeling.
The fleet continued to advance. Enemy KMF which was hit by the missiles which was fired earlier was spotted to have resurrected just like zombie.
Zero noted that it was the works of Charles’ Geass.
Suzaku ordered the Flight troop to stop advancing but support the Land troop instead. Just then, he saw something approaching which Zero recognised them as the Knights of Rounds.

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Alice and Nunnally had reached the core of the island and over there Charles was waiting, the final key to open the door of Eden Vital (Paradise), the place the world full of pain will end and the place where a gentle world will begin.
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Schneizel is wise for having anticipated for such situation to happen. No FREIJA :heh:
Euphemia is the 99th Empress Emperor which some of us must have known. Suzaku is still the knight of Zero Euphemia (No, he is not a Knight of Rounds).
Lancelot Albion debut fighting together with Gawain. Knight of Rounds is really creepy. Yeah, creepy :heh:
The emperor have a different Geass if I'm not mistaken. It will be revealed in the next chapter. Seems rather obvious :heh:

[yezhanquan]

I said it before, and I should repeat: "Your orders, kotei heika?"

[Pink-chan]

Alright I had finished up Code 24. Once again. Hopefully, some of the doubts and mistake made could be clarified later. Volume 5 will be released this week. Please support the work.

NoN Vol. 5 Cover
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Charles appeared before Nunnally at the core of Kaminejima. Nunnally was the key to open the door of Eden Vital.
Anya stepped in and elaborated that that was her desire for an utopia where there is no war and where people are able to understand each other completely. Introducing herself as the first knight of Eden Vital, her other personality was introduced to be possessing her it was Marianne vi Britannia.
It was by the work of the Geass she obtained from the witch, C.C. the ability to process the form of her soul, “The Soul.”
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Alice was forced to watch over Nunnally and her choice when all her effort trying to get to Nunnally were futile after she was separated from her with Nemo who reverted to her dummy form.
Charles explained that as the key, Nunnally had the right to know and he would explain everything to her.


Charles explained on the history of the mankind and his father who govern for the sake of people. Charles and his mother believed in his ideal until the whole of his family including himself were assassinated by the conservatives.
A power awakened in Charles as death closed up to him. He needed power.
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The man at the top is the father or Charles and Charles the boy was at the bottom of the image.


Suzaku continued his battle with the KoR. He cut of the head of one of the Rounds but a new head (a skeleton head) was grown in no time.
Suzaku was saved from the attack by Lelouch who revealed to him that that was the true form of the KoR and it was the works of Charles’ Geass “The Dead Rise”, the power that bestow immortality to the former knights.
Suzaku came to a realization they are to triumph over an army of immortals as their opponents in this battle.
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Charles’ power, “The Dead Rise” allowed him to revive himself. With this power, something which was destroyed had become indestructible.
Since his parents’ death, Charles decided to take the supremacy road of blood. He revived the renowned knights over the generations and had them loyal to him as his knights. And he strike back at the assassins and turned them his puppets by bestowing them immortality.
Nunnally was horrified by his act. What he was doing is no different from what the other royalty was doing. Charles revealed that there was someone who used to tell him the same thing.
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Someone asked Charles if the true utopia of the supremacy road of blood was what he sought from a victory?
She told him that the power of Eden Vital was too much for a human to bear.
Charles sensed that the person is dangerous for knowing about the power fo Eden Vital and Geass which an ordinary human shouldn't know
She was formerly shrine maiden and there was the existence of the witch of Britannia.
In order to find a chance to have her assassinated, Charles appointed her, Marianne as a member of Rounds.
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By watching her, he was reminded by the ideals his parents had. Marianne was attracted by Charles who was in the process of reviving his dream. Soon, they fell in love.
She was received as an empress and gave birth to Lelouch and Nunnally.
To be by the side of her beloved Charles, Lelouch and Nunnally, that was truly the happiest time she ever had. However, the happy time didn’t last long.
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Marianne couldn’t believe that a young and innocent girl like Anya who entered the palace as an apprentice for learning of manners was an assassin.
As an empress who was born a commoner, she made countless number of enemies from the royalty. In addition, the Ashfords who supported her had dominance over the development of the KMF.
Anti Marianne force conspired by brainwashing Anya into an assassin and sent her to Marianne. In order to pursue their interest, an innocent young girl was polluted with such insanity. Marianne was hit on realization of the true nature of human and the gentle world.
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Charles intended to use his Geass to save Marianne but was stopped by her as his Geass was able to resurrect physical body but was not able to save a soul.
Marianne begged C.C. who was at the scene, to grant her a Geass. C.C. explained that depending on the contractor’s essence, the chances of her Geass to save her life is very slim. It didn’t matter, that was her last wish.
C.C. granted her Geass just right before she went limp and Charles cried in anguish. C.C. looked on sadly while all the sudden, Anya’s voice was heard.
That was her power of Geass, the power to process the soul. There was a part inside this girl who is the former Marianne. To have a part of her in another location is just wonderful.
Marianne decided that the plan Charles mentioned, the dream Charles had might be able to come true.
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It was Charles and Marianne’s wish to get rid of the war, source of the world conflict to create a world where everyone can live in happiness.
Nunnally is the key who would decide the realization of the incarnation of the gentle world.



Marianne's Geass is named as "The Soul". Her Geass allows her to process the form of the soul. One part of her had been transferred into Anya who killed her. Anya was the assassin in this series and V.V. does not exist. Charles doesn't have a twin. He is the only son.
A family photo with Charles included is featured. That should be the whole of family photo which was cropped off in Rolo's locket. Rolo was actually watched over by "his mother" just as he wished.

These are certainly much more pleasant about Marianne than having her as a bad mother in the anime and the novel I read recently. My impression of her is really tarnished in both the anime version and the novel version which made it worse.

Charles' Geass, "The Dead Rise" (Not sure if this the the right translation for "ザ．デッドライズ") allows him to resurrect the physical body of the dead. That was way different from the Geass which rewrites the memory in the anime version. His Geass could resurrect the physical body yet he was unable to save a soul. It seems that a person is able retain his mind despite his physical body being resurrected (referring to a character in the next chapter) but I'm not sure why he wasn't able to save a soul.


Lelouch of the Rebellion Vol. 6 Cover
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[Kid Ying]

I was enjoying the LOTR manga, but i just read the beginning. Did the story still goes in the same direction of the anime or not?

I'm interested because i read that the manga is tooking a more romantic direction or something.

[Pink-chan]

I'm sure there are people who are interested. I had a glimpse of the latest chapter of Code Geass LoTR manga. I just merely glanced through and below are some points I could remember.


- Shirley died in the previous chapter killed by Rolo
- Lelouch and Shirley were in their outfits when they were on a 'date' in Turn 3. Shirley died in the pretty green dress
- Turn 14 and 15 was covered
- Geass Cult annihilation
- Rolo was carrying a huge bag of bomb which Lelouch planned to detonate it to have him killed. (I'm not sure how he managed to survive this as I didn't really look through the content)
- No tango dance as Charles was replaced by V.V. who intend to obtain C.C. code which C.C. planned to surrender
- Scenario similar to the anime whwere C.C.'s past was covered
- Lelouch was in his Zero outfit instead of uniform
- C.C. pushed V.V. away as Lelouch damaged the Sword of Akasha with his gun and both Lelouch fell with C.C. who seems to be unconscious in his arms. He don't want to lose anyone again
- Chapter ends with V.V. who was badly injured was confronted by Charles (the scene similar to Turn 14 with V.V. and Charles) who commented he was lying again

Looks like moe version of C.C. might be appearing in the next chapter.

[Pink-chan]

Sorry for double posting. I decided to finish off what I planned to for the summary of NoN. Here is the summary for Code 25. I would love to post the pictures. Since the manga is already released, I won't post. Please purchase the manga if you support the work. Feel free to correct my understanding.




The battle with the "Zombie troop" continues.
The condition is stalemate at the core of Kaminejima.
Cornelia, Kaguya and company was wondering what was going on as the troop except Zero and Suzaku was completely annihilated and the two of them were engaging 5 members of KoR. Euphemia prayed for Suzaku's safety.
Suzaku suggested to Zero to retreat as the battle is disadvantageous to them who rejected the idea as the flagships will all be destroyed. The real reason is to defend to the end as Nunnally was currently having a confrontation with Charles. Suzaku was shocked learning about it.
Knight of One, Bismark challenged Zero to settle their score. he referred to Zero, the witch of Britannia, the emperor once captured.


****


Charles was explaining the details of Eden Vital to Nunnally. He was gathering the energy scattered over the world from the relics and Kaminejima is the nearest to God of all the shrines with access to Eden Vital.
Marianne and Charles had fixed Sword of Akasha in Kaminejima, the sword which will kill the root of conflict, the God (Eden Vital).

Theory of Eden Vital (I'm not sure if I understood it right)
Eden Vital is the energy created before the universe is created as stated in the rule, to intervene the existence of the space-time simultaneously. People since long ago, had idolized the holy spirit which they discovered in the nature. In other word, one can refer Eden Vital as the same meaning as God. The human soul appeared in the present world from Eden Vital. The body came into existence as an individual. Even though human consciousnesses were once assembled as one, conflict occurs when individuality came into existence.
But everyone as human, is different respectively. There are difference in opinions, Conflict is inevitable which is precisely Charles felt that individual should return to the collective unconsciousness and so there won’t be conflict anymore.
Marianne created a gate at the side of Eden Vital as she has the ability to process soul, hence, she was able to maintain half of her consciousness, her individuality within Eden Vital.
The gate is formed from the Sword of Akasha in this side of the world. Through the gate, Eden Vital and this world can be connected.
Once the Heaven Door is open, every individuality will disappear and return as one back to the collective unconsciousness eternally. As one, there won’t be conflict, a gentle world would be created forever. Nunnally is the key to open the Heaven Door by using her Geass, "The Zero".


＊＊＊＊


Alice questioned Nemo about Nunnally's Geass which is the power to turn all creations in nature into nothingness. That was the Geass both Lelouch and Nunnlly possessed. This the Power of God the organization is afraid of.
She understood the motive of C.C. who approached both of them as the two of them were the only ones who have the power to bestow death to them and ordered Nemo to send her over to Nunnally's side.
With the fruit of death waiting for her, why would C.C./Nemo want to betray Charles and Marianne?
Alice decided to take a gamble as she claimed that Nemo gave her power and called her there was because she is lost. She would protect Nunnally to the end.


****


With Nunnally's power, "The Zero", it is possible to destroy the Heaven door which separates the Eden and the real world. Individual soul will return to the collective unconsciousness and the conflict will disappear. A gentle world will manifest.
Marianne questioned why is people fighting, why is Geass, a supernatural power is brought to the real world. The collective unconsciousness in Eden Vital, is the accumulation of the humans’ memory.
The stagnant energy of the unconsciousness which holds the past, before long will welcome destruction of the homogenization.


****

Flashback to the past

Marianne/Anya had a discussion with C.C. and Charles.
The individual born in the present world dispute with each other. To make the new past as tomorrow.
Geass is just one of the expedient which trigger the dispute between people. It is a super power god display in the real world to give birth to the new spout of dispute.
In other word, they had experienced suffering, grieve, dispute and killing in this world.
That is the truth of the world where human existed. Only by killing the god, They can create a gentle world where there is no conflict.

Flashback ended

****


Her father left her and Lelouch in the lurch and their mother is not helping them. Hence, Marianne explained that Nunnally had understood their sufferings and all these sufferings will disappear once the Heaven Door is opened.
By returning to Eden Vital, it is possible for her to see Lelouch. They can return to the time when everyone is happy.
Nunnally reflected on the reason why she wished for power initially and wondered why she is make a detour when what she wanted was within her reach.
Marianne hugged Nunnally as she activated "The Zero" and urged her to open the door as the world she wished was at the other side of the door.


****


Alice approached Nunnally and and expressed her thought. If the door is opened,
the world will become where the memory of tomorrow is not born. Despair and suffering will not born again, but at the same time, hope will not be brought about as well.
Alice continued to express her thought despite Charles mentioning that a mere human like her couldn't do anything as the choice was made. Nunnally had given her hope for tomorrow.
Nemo came along and explained that Geass manifest in an individual depending on the person’s true essence. Her Geass is to see the future she wished for.
Nunnally realised that she had been giving in to the negative feeling. She lost the light to her eyes and the freedom of her legs as she stopped moving forward and she had been denying the feeling of the past. It is same as to have stopped walking
The world Charles made will deny human of their future. That is not the gentle world. She feared nothing anymore and she will accept everything.
Nunnally stood up with her eyes fully opened. She turned to Alice and into her arms and welcome Nemo (Nunnally's double form) back.
The Heaven Door was collapsing.
C.C. came in and commented on Nunnally's choice. She was bothered by the meaning behind the choice made by their children and she realised that they are the existence to be denied. Charles thought that C.C. had betrayed them and he retorted that by denying their world, what awaits Nunnally is the world controlled by God, a world full of conflicts and suffering?
However, Nunnally replied, "Even so, I desire tomorrow."
Marianne persuaded Charles to accept the answer from their children and they should be prepared for this. Charles relented and Marianne bid farewell to Nunnally as they disappeared into the thin air.


****

Meanwhile, all the KMF stopped moving and Bismark sensed the passing of the emperor and at the same time, the life bestowed to him be the emperor had ended and he bid farewell to Zero as his body broke down and disappeared.


****

Nunnally wondered if this is a right choice made and Alice said that she would believe in a world Nunnally had chosen.



Some of the summary I made might not made sense but this chapter enabled me to understand Charles' plan better than before.
Nunnally's, "Even so, I desired tomorrow!" really hit me. Lelouch in LotR had the same thought and hence he fought for it. If it wasn't that I had read the final chapter, I won't be having this thought that she is imitating Lelouch from LotR world.
I really preferred this version of Marianne better. Reject that image I just saw from Heroine's Tribute :twitch:
The last chapter is next. I should be done with it soon.

[Yu Ominae]

Can't wait to get my hands on the 5th volume of NoN. I'm doing a fic based partially on that and having info on Eden Vital does help. Thanks. :D

[Sonae]

I can't wait for the 6th volume of LotR. It comes out in like October or something according to Chapters website.

[Yu Ominae]

Scans for NoN are released.

Looks like CC's really looking after Lulu and Nana, even killing for them.

[KrimzonStriker]

Just to verify on the relationship of Lelouch and C.C NoN I'll ask one thing. Are they one person or two individuals, do they share the same body or is it just that C.C can also replicate his image and vice-versa or something because I do recall certain points where it seems like both as times, images of two Zero's yet constantly seeing them change faces in appearance along with certain dialogue :confused:

[MrTerrorist]

Just read the latest chapter of Nightmare of Nunnally and i have to say...
in the words of the great Doctor "Fantastic!"
The battles were awesome, the story, the characters, heck evrtything! If Sunrise decides to do another Code Geass anime, they should adapt NON.
I love the cliff hangar when both Nunnally & Alice find out their the pilots of their mechs respectively. What will Alice do? Will she still trust Nunnally and save her from the Irregulars? Will Nunnally still believe in her best friend? What happen to everyone else? I can't wait for the next chapter.

[Pink-chan]

I realised that they missed out this page from chapter 16 of NoN.


So that was where the shots came from.
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6183/code4024025.th.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=code4024025.jpg)

Just to verify on the relationship of Lelouch and C.C NoN I'll ask one thing. Are they one person or two individuals, do they share the same body or is it just that C.C can also replicate his image and vice-versa or something because I do recall certain points where it seems like both as times, images of two Zero's yet constantly seeing them change faces in appearance along with certain dialogue :confused:

The only possibility I could think of is:

His Geass, "The Zero". It allows him to turn all creations in nature into nothingness. Hence, it's possible for him to interchange with C.C. in terms of appearance. I would think that they are sharing one armour.

Just read the latest chapter of Nightmare of Nunnally and i have to say...
in the words of the great Doctor "Fantastic!"
The battles were awesome, the story, the characters, heck evrtything! If Sunrise decides to do another Code Geass anime, they should adapt NON.
I love the cliff hangar when both Nunnally & Alice find out their the pilots of their mechs respectively. What will Alice do? Will she still trust Nunnally and save her from the Irregulars? Will Nunnally still believe in her best friend? What happen to everyone else? I can't wait for the next chapter.


I truly agree with you. NoN is awesome. After reading the latest chapter I was awe as certain things I couldn't understand due to my limited understanding in the language until now.

Rescue Nunnally operation will occur. It won't be just Alice :)

More interesting content will be coming. I can't wait to see the scan of them to clarify my doubts.

[Pink-chan]

Here I came with summary of last chapter of NoN. I can't wait for the scanlations to be completed. Awesome story.



With the defeat of the Absolute Emperor, Charles, Eden Vital Organisation was destroyed.
Euphemia, the new emperor in name and reality, overthrew the tyrant, Charles, as promised, abandoned Britannia’s policy, and carried out liberalization of the Areas.
However, it is not easy to abolish the control system of an area which had been going on for years.
The transfer of the power is carried out progressively to each Area
Meanwhile, the public order is maintained by the combination of the remaining army of Britannia and temporary regular army.
However, the regular army in the Areas were the origin of the rebel army. Of course, during this time, conflict occurred in various places with the stationed Britannia troop.
The new emperor, Euphemia had to taking the full brunt of the hostility against the superpower Britannia once more since the loss of the common enemy, Charles, the Absolute Emperor.
The world is turning towards chaos once again.


****

Since the disappearance of Zero, Ohgi assumed the position as the leader of the Black Knight.
Ohgi couldn't believe that Zero died in Kaminejima.
Tamaki had doubts with Suzaku's words as he is the knight of Emperor Empress Euphemia. Kallen stopped him from saying all these as they are going to sign an deed(I think it is transfer of control of Japan) with Euphemia.
Kaguya want Tamaki to acknowledge the fact that Zero is longer with them
Ohgi and company were wondering about Zero's motive for fighting against Britannia but what Kaguya believed is Zero had left the future of Japan to them and they have the responsibility (to build a better future)


****


In the government office Euphemia was reminiscing. It was farewell to the government office. She questioned Suzaku if it is ok for him not to remain in Japan?
Suzaku responded that he is the knight of Emperor Euphemia, her Majesty. With the hostility against Britannia, as a knight, his priority mission is to be the shield of Her Majesty
Lelouch showed up at this point in time and pointed out to Suzaku that "You are as stubborn as ever. Just be honest and tell her that you want to stay by her side."
Both Euphemia and Suzaku was surprise to see Lelouch. Suzaku was mad of his disappearance after the battle in Kaminejima while Euphemia went straight to the point with her request for him to work with them in the rebuilding of the world. With Zero, the hero who liberated Japan, it's possible. Lelouch rejected the request as Zero died in Kaminejima. He is the Demon King of Eden Vital who bring about chaos to the world and he came in the purpose to bid farewell to those who loves Lelouch.


****
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Lelouch approached Nunnally at the roof. Nunnally recognised him as her brother who commented if that was the way she address the demon king?
Nunnally replied that he was the same big brother she last seen 9 years ago before she lost her sight.
Lelouch wanted to say something but was cut off by Nunnally who suggested that they take a walk.
Nunnally updated Lelouch that she volunteered to be the ambassador between Britannia and Japan after returning to the royalty. Today is her first official business for the signing ceremony, therefore, she was feeling a little nervous. Nunnally would work hard as this is the path she chose.
Nunnally was not lost anymore. As for Lelouch, he was still wondering about his existence for inheriting C.C. as a Demon King.
Their (Lelouch and Nunnally) power, “The Zero”, is the power to send everything into nothingness. Due to the contract with C.C., “The Zero”, Lelouch obtained death, it was to release the witch from her duty.
As C.C. wished, she obtained “death” and returned to Eden Vital. At the same time, all the Geass brought by C.C. disappeared from this world. Now, as the Demon King, his mission is to spread the Geass over the world for the sake of escalating the chaos of the world. That is the meaning of the power of the Demon King sent by Eden Vital.
Nunnally had a different opinion for the meaning of the Demon King. Through the contact with the Heaven Door, she had seen various possible worlds apart from this world. Over there, there are many people who experience sad and bitter past. Their world is just one of the infinite possible universes to be found out.
If father and mother’s plan is accepted, "The Zero" will be released by the Heaven’s Door, the other worlds will soon come to light (Destroying the other worlds as well? :heh:). Eden Vital will not only be just the past. Besides, there will be full of sadness and joy.
Nunnally felt that if there is a future where they live in, no matter how much time it takes, she believes that a gentle world can be realized.
Lelouch was enraged. to him that is just idealist thought and dreams! He did not believe there is hope for the world. Nunnally understood that but she stoood by her own belief. They may not see it in their lifetime but, it's possible that a gentle world could be realised.
Understood that this is the significance of the Demon King to Nunnally. The reason Nunnally had chosen the future for this world, Lelouch will disappear from this world. Eventually Suzaku, Euphie and you will become hostile to one another. But, no matter where, and what kind of existence, her big brother, Lelouch will continue to love his sister, Nunnally.
Before he disappeared, he dropped her hints to look for the person was also feeling perplexed.


＊＊＊＊


Sancia and the irregulars had lost their powers (C.C. took all Geasses with her).
Dalque was complaining on the inconvenience for the loss of Geass. She became a frail girl who couldn't do physical work (her Geass was strength related. Dalque is no longer a girl with dark skinned. That could be due to the effect of her Geass, her skin colour turned dark). Dalque was wonder where Alice had been and why was she still staying with them. By rescuing the princess of Britannia, she would obtain the position as the knight of honour without a doubt.
That was something Alice had to sort it out herself.


＊＊＊＊


Alice was up on the roof in Ashford reminiscing on the first time she met Nunnally. The roof was where they first met. Nunnally approached commenting about the same thing.
It was seen that Nunnally had been searching for her
Why did you leave without a world. I had been searching for you.
By the time she was aware, she realise that she couldn’t leave Nunnally.
It’s not the illusion of her dead sister. It was the feeling of a knight when she was fighting in Kaminejima to protect Nunnally. She blamed herself for misleading Nunnally to choose a world without her family. And Nunnally’s became the ambassador between Britannia and Japan standing in the hostility from Japan. Instead of protecting Nunnally, she drove her to a harsh circumstance.
Nunnally responded as Alice said, no matter how tough it is, a future which was given hope is wanted. Same for her. If Alice believed in this world she had chosen, she hoped that she will become her knight by handing her a knight medal. This time, it is not to protect, she wanted Alice to walk together with her to the future.


＊＊＊＊

Without the chaos brought by Geass
Can death be avoided?

That shall be ascertained by the Demon King C.C
.


Overall, this series is indeed awesome to be speaking about parallel worlds (NoN ended after the anime after all).

This version of Lelouch is really feeling hopelessness for the future of this world. He would be observing the fate of this world somewhere. He granted C.C. her wish instead of giving her hope. This C.C. is really much more aggressive and determined than C.C. of LotR due to the harsher fate. Lelouch, by having a pair of black and white wing, still had a human side (white usually implies good). I was imagining that if he could cross the world, he must be the source to spread the curse of Geass to all the different worlds. He had wanted to spread them to bring about chaos, that is his duty. It would be fun to see him meeting with Lelouch from LoTR world. I bet they would have arguments with extreme opposite opinions :heh:. Rewards came from sacrifice. Come to think of it, Lelouch of NoN didn't lose much. Shirley, Euphemia were all alive. Lelouch of LotR really "invested" his feeling, hence he lost much, he gained just as much as a gentle world is achieved. That was where Lelouch of NoN lost out in but he is also alive watching over the world :heh:. Well, he didn't gain a harem (no CluClu, no Kalulu thank goodness). That was the major plus for NoN.

If this was the game of a chess, Nunnally is the player in this world for she was the one who confronted her parents and chose the world as it is. Nothing was changed and the world are all against Britannia. Euphemia took the blunt of it as she is the emperor. It must be really really hard for her. Lelouch is cruel for not helping her. Thank goodness, Suzaku, who could return to Japan chose to stay with her. Suzaku was saved from his fate for killing his father by his own hands, and his fate after that was changed ultimately. He could well become the head of Kururugi Clan and took control of Japan. Lelouch was 'teasing' him for not saying directly that he want to stay by Euphie's side. He understood his friend really well.

Rolo was never a brother. The poor boy seems to get a harsh fate whichever appearance he took in whichever world he is in (save for the cameo in SotC). One was obsessed with mother love and the other was all for the sake of Nii-san. I'm impressed by NoN Rolo. He is a leader of Eden Vital. He hated his brother and sister. He wanted to obtain powers and had his own will all along although he was still outplayed by his own fate.

Alice is a character who I wished she would appear in LotR. Perhaps, she would become Nunnally's knight watching over her.

No sign of Anya after that. This girl was an assassin in NoN. V.V. didn't exist. Marianne is still using her body in this world. Marianne left a better impression in this version. She is the worst in the novel version. Charles' Geass is badass for the ability to revive the body of a dead and turned them a zombie, a puppet for his own use.

My favourite line is. "Even so, I desire tomorrow!" :heh: LotR!Lelouch said it, NoN!Nunnally said it.

[darthfury78]

Here I came with summary of last chapter of NoN. I can't wait for the scanlations to be completed. Awesome story.



With the defeat of the Absolute Emperor, Charles, Eden Vital Organisation was destroyed.
Euphemia, the new emperor in name and reality, overthrew the tyrant, Charles, as promised, abandoned Britannia’s policy, and carried out liberalization of the Areas.
However, it is not easy to abolish the control system of an area which had been going on for years.
The transfer of the power is carried out progressively to each Area
Meanwhile, the public order is maintained by the combination of the remaining army of Britannia and temporary regular army.
However, the regular army in the Areas were the origin of the rebel army. Of course, during this time, conflict occurred in various places with the stationed Britannia troop.
The new emperor, Euphemia had to taking the full brunt of the hostility against the superpower Britannia once more since the loss of the common enemy, Charles, the Absolute Emperor.
The world is turning towards chaos once again.


****

Since the disappearance of Zero, Ohgi assumed the position as the leader of the Black Knight.
Ohgi couldn't believe that Zero died in Kaminejima.
Tamaki had doubts with Suzaku's words as he is the knight of Emperor Empress Euphemia. Kallen stopped him from saying all these as they are going to sign an deed(I think it is transfer of control of Japan) with Euphemia.
Kaguya want Tamaki to acknowledge the fact that Zero is longer with them
Ohgi and company were wondering about Zero's motive for fighting against Britannia but what Kaguya believed is Zero had left the future of Japan to them and they have the responsibility (to build a better future)


****


In the government office Euphemia was reminiscing. It was farewell to the government office. She questioned Suzaku if it is ok for him not to remain in Japan?
Suzaku responded that he is the knight of Emperor Euphemia, her Majesty. With the hostility against Britannia, as a knight, his priority mission is to be the shield of Her Majesty
Lelouch showed up at this point in time and pointed out to Suzaku that "You are as stubborn as ever. Just be honest and tell her that you want to stay by her side."
Both Euphemia and Suzaku was surprise to see Lelouch. Suzaku was mad of his disappearance after the battle in Kaminejima while Euphemia went straight to the point with her request for him to work with them in the rebuilding of the world. With Zero, the hero who liberated Japan, it's possible. Lelouch rejected the request as Zero died in Kaminejima. He is the Demon King of Eden Vital who bring about chaos to the world and he came in the purpose to bid farewell to those who loves Lelouch.


****
http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/ASPink-chan/NoN/th_d878060e.jpg (http://s361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/ASPink-chan/NoN/?action=view&current=d878060e.jpg) http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/ASPink-chan/NoN/th_5318c047.jpg (http://s361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/ASPink-chan/NoN/?action=view&current=5318c047.jpg)

Lelouch approached Nunnally at the roof. Nunnally recognised him as her brother who commented if that was the way she address the demon king?
Nunnally replied that he was the same big brother she last seen 9 years ago before she lost her sight.
Lelouch wanted to say something but was cut off by Nunnally who suggested that they take a walk.
Nunnally updated Lelouch that she volunteered to be the ambassador between Britannia and Japan after returning to the royalty. Today is her first official business for the signing ceremony, therefore, she was feeling a little nervous. Nunnally would work hard as this is the path she chose.
Nunnally was not lost anymore. As for Lelouch, he was still wondering about his existence for inheriting C.C. as a Demon King.
Their (Lelouch and Nunnally) power, “The Zero”, is the power to send everything into nothingness. Due to the contract with C.C., “The Zero”, Lelouch obtained death, it was to release the witch from her duty.
As C.C. wished, she obtained “death” and returned to Eden Vital. At the same time, all the Geass brought by C.C. disappeared from this world. Now, as the Demon King, his mission is to spread the Geass over the world for the sake of escalating the chaos of the world. That is the meaning of the power of the Demon King sent by Eden Vital.
Nunnally had a different opinion for the meaning of the Demon King. Through the contact with the Heaven Door, she had seen various possible worlds apart from this world. Over there, there are many people who experience sad and bitter past. Their world is just one of the infinite possible universes to be found out.
If father and mother’s plan is accepted, "The Zero" will be released by the Heaven’s Door, the other worlds will soon come to light (Destroying the other worlds as well? :heh:). Eden Vital will not only be just the past. Besides, there will be full of sadness and joy.
Nunnally felt that if there is a future where they live in, no matter how much time it takes, she believes that a gentle world can be realized.
Lelouch was enraged. to him that is just idealist thought and dreams! He did not believe there is hope for the world. Nunnally understood that but she stoood by her own belief. They may not see it in their lifetime but, it's possible that a gentle world could be realised.
Understood that this is the significance of the Demon King to Nunnally. The reason Nunnally had chosen the future for this world, Lelouch will disappear from this world. Eventually Suzaku, Euphie and you will become hostile to one another. But, no matter where, and what kind of existence, her big brother, Lelouch will continue to love his sister, Nunnally.
Before he disappeared, he dropped her hints to look for the person was also feeling perplexed.


＊＊＊＊


Sancia and the irregulars had lost their powers (C.C. took all Geasses with her).
Dalque was complaining on the inconvenience for the loss of Geass. She became a frail girl who couldn't do physical work (her Geass was strength related. Dalque is no longer a girl with dark skinned. That could be due to the effect of her Geass, her skin colour turned dark). Dalque was wonder where Alice had been and why was she still staying with them. By rescuing the princess of Britannia, she would obtain the position as the knight of honour without a doubt.
That was something Alice had to sort it out herself.


＊＊＊＊


Alice was up on the roof in Ashford reminiscing on the first time she met Nunnally. The roof was where they first met. Nunnally approached commenting about the same thing.
It was seen that Nunnally had been searching for her
Why did you leave without a world. I had been searching for you.
By the time she was aware, she realise that she couldn’t leave Nunnally.
It’s not the illusion of her dead sister. It was the feeling of a knight when she was fighting in Kaminejima to protect Nunnally. She blamed herself for misleading Nunnally to choose a world without her family. And Nunnally’s became the ambassador between Britannia and Japan standing in the hostility from Japan. Instead of protecting Nunnally, she drove her to a harsh circumstance.
Nunnally responded as Alice said, no matter how tough it is, a future which was given hope is wanted. Same for her. If Alice believed in this world she had chosen, she hoped that she will become her knight by handing her a knight medal. This time, it is not to protect, she wanted Alice to walk together with her to the future.


＊＊＊＊

Without the chaos brought by Geass
Can death be avoided?

That shall be ascertained by the Demon King C.C
.


Overall, this series is indeed awesome to be speaking about parallel worlds (NoN ended after the anime after all).

This version of Lelouch is really feeling hopelessness for the future of this world. He would be observing the fate of this world somewhere. He granted C.C. her wish instead of giving her hope. This C.C. is really much more aggressive and determined than C.C. of LotR due to the harsher fate. Lelouch, by having a pair of black and white wing, still had a human side (white usually implies good). I was imagining that if he could cross the world, he must be the source to spread the curse of Geass to all the different worlds. He had wanted to spread them to bring about chaos, that is his duty. It would be fun to see him meeting with Lelouch from LoTR world. I bet they would have arguments with extreme opposite opinions :heh:. Rewards came from sacrifice. Come to think of it, Lelouch of NoN didn't lose much. Shirley, Euphemia were all alive. Lelouch of LotR really "invested" his feeling, hence he lost much, he gained just as much as a gentle world is achieved. That was where Lelouch of NoN lost out in but he is also alive watching over the world :heh:. Well, he didn't gain a harem (no CluClu, no Kalulu thank goodness). That was the major plus for NoN.

If this was the game of a chess, Nunnally is the player in this world for she was the one who confronted her parents and chose the world as it is. Nothing was changed and the world are all against Britannia. Euphemia took the blunt of it as she is the emperor. It must be really really hard for her. Lelouch is cruel for not helping her. Thank goodness, Suzaku, who could return to Japan chose to stay with her. Suzaku was saved from his fate for killing his father by his own hands, and his fate after that was changed ultimately. He could well become the head of Kururugi Clan and took control of Japan. Lelouch was 'teasing' him for not saying directly that he want to stay by Euphie's side. He understood his friend really well.

Rolo was never a brother. The poor boy seems to get a harsh fate whichever appearance he took in whichever world he is in (save for the cameo in SotC). One was obsessed with mother love and the other was all for the sake of Nii-san. I'm impressed by NoN Rolo. He is a leader of Eden Vital. He hated his brother and sister. He wanted to obtain powers and had his own will all along although he was still outplayed by his own fate.

Alice is a character who I wished she would appear in LotR. Perhaps, she would become Nunnally's knight watching over her.

No sign of Anya after that. This girl was an assassin in NoN. V.V. didn't exist. Marianne is still using her body in this world. Marianne left a better impression in this version. She is the worst in the novel version. Charles' Geass is badass for the ability to revive the body of a dead and turned them a zombie, a puppet for his own use.

My favourite line is. "Even so, I desire tomorrow!" :heh: LotR!Lelouch said it, NoN!Nunnally said it.




Was Milly Ashford in this version of the story? If so, whatever happened to her?

[KrimzonStriker]

I realised that they missed out this page from chapter 16 of NoN.


So that was where the shots came from.
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6183/code4024025.th.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=code4024025.jpg)



The only possibility I could think of is:

His Geass, "The Zero". It allows him to turn all creations in nature into nothingness. Hence, it's possible for him to interchange with C.C. in terms of appearance. I would think that they are sharing one armour.



I truly agree with you. NoN is awesome. After reading the latest chapter I was awe as certain things I couldn't understand due to my limited understanding in the language until now.

Rescue Nunnally operation will occur. It won't be just Alice :)

More interesting content will be coming. I can't wait to see the scan of them to clarify my doubts.


You think somebody should contact the scanlators and ask them to please translate that page, it looks like an awesome scene. I'd also like a translation personally :p

So they're basically using the same body, that is until Lelouch grants her wish but then fades into nothingness as well. Alright thanks for clarifying that part up pink ;)

[yezhanquan]

So, NoN has ended?

[Pink-chan]

You think somebody should contact the scanlators and ask them to please translate that page, it looks like an awesome scene. I'd also like a translation personally :p

I had a hand on the transalation. I'm sorry if it isn't very accurate.

Rolo: Hadrons Cannon clutch connection completed, acceleration device critical, the first target, Zero, second target, Mark Nemo locked. Disappear, the heresy of Eden Vital!
To think the scanlation missed out this awesome entrance of Rolo. :uhoh:

So they're basically using the same body, that is until Lelouch grants her wish but then fades into nothingness as well. Alright thanks for clarifying that part up pink ;)

No problem. They should animate this so we will understand better :p

So, NoN has ended?

Yes, 26 chapters in all ended in March 2009.

Was Milly Ashford in this version of the story? If so, whatever happened to her?

She is in this story. She is still the president of the student council. She did everything she could to help Nunnally to search for the missing Lelouch but their family power is very limited. After that, she just remain a civilian.

[KrimzonStriker]

I had a hand on the transalation. I'm sorry if it isn't very accurate.

Rolo: Hadrons Cannon clutch connection completed, acceleration device critical, the first target, Zero, second target, Mark Nemo locked. Disappear, the heresy of Eden Vital!
To think the scanlation missed out this awesome entrance of Rolo. :uhoh:

Thanks for the translation Pink. Personally I enjoyed the customized entrance of the Vincent the most, such an underrated Knightmare Frame is finally emulated into the butt kicking machine it should have been. Lacking fire power? Get me my mobile armor add-on ala Gundam 00 style! Gawain pops up? Electric Needle Blazer Smash! Bye Bye Gawain! :D

[Pink-chan]

Thanks for the translation Pink. Personally I enjoyed the customized entrance of the Vincent the most, such an underrated Knightmare Frame is finally emulated into the butt kicking machine it should have been. Lacking fire power? Get me my mobile armor add-on ala Gundam 00 style! Gawain pops up? Electric Needle Blazer Smash! Bye Bye Gawain! :D

I will like to see the twins confronted each other :heh:. Only one scene in the coming up chapters


Rolo was about to execute Nunnally for being a witch when Euphemia showed up with her knight, Lloyd and Cecile to stop the execution. She do not acknowledge this and ordered her knight, Suzaku, to rescue Nunnally. He almost succeeded but was stopped by Tristan piloted by Anya. When Lancelot was busy engaging Tristan, Zero showed up and taken Nunnally during all these commotion. Rolo watched and make his speech and summoned his Vincent out of nowhere. (Maybe the scanlator is going to make this as Vincent's 'debut'? :p)

But Zero had his mask on, unfortunately.

The debut of Vincent is impressive for being so destructive. With his Geass activated, it would be awesome. He could have destroyed everyone in an instant. Anime version Rolo, had done an impressive debut in my memory when it first showed up taking a elevator, disappearing all the sudden and thrashed other knightmares before they could react. :heh:

[Sol Falling]

Thanks for the spoilers, now I'm just dying for the scanlations.

I really just have to say, NoN >>>> CG anime. It is simply awesome. What got me into CG in the first season was the sheer narrative potential of the characters. Everyone seemed so developed and so interesting, so that I just wanted to see where they went. R2 pretty much utterly ruined that, and in the end the only Lelouch got a decent treatment. In NoN, it's not just Lelouch, but interesting Nunally, interesting Rolo, interesting Charles, interesting Marianne, even awesomely interesting Suzaku and Euphemia--all of them get development and history and depth that does so much more to make them likeable characters (though I liked Charles already in the anime, and obviously Suzaku/somewhat Euphie too). Furthermore, the tightness and cleverness and delivery of the adopted plot elements--Zero, Mao as 'the Refrain', C.C.'s history, Suzaku's father's death, Suzaku's geass potential, Rolo and the Geass Cult, Anya as Marianne's soul carrier, Charles' 'killing God' plan once again--it's just too good. The writing is/seems (for the chapters that haven't been scanlated yet) simply soo much tighter than R2, what with all that wasted shit on lost memories, fake little brothers, China, incompetent Knights of Round, meaningless shipper fanservice, randomly resurrected characters and more. I also have to talk about NoN's art: the anime's animation wasn't exactly consistent, but NoN's art goes beyond just being competent with some awesome character design as well. On the 'original character's' side we've got muscular Zero, female Mao, Lelouch twin Cardinal Rolo, and future stuff like the Knights of Round. On more subtle character makeover stuff, I really love the air of badassery NoN sometimes displays with characters like Suzaku, Euphie, and Lloyd (the Irregulars boss guy's face is also quite amusing). Suzaku/Euphie standing around in badass poses is simply satisfying in comparison to what they got with the anime, but it's really Lloyd's introduction pics which are my favourite: Lloyd's stance and expression sometimes have him coming off as such a superior little bitch that it's just hilarious.

Anyway, by this point it's pretty clear to me that NoN is unquestionably my preferred version of Code Geass' story. It's plain awesome, yeah?

[yezhanquan]

To me, NoN places Nunnally in the spotlight, and shows that maybe she's not as perfect as she's made out to be, and it's fine by me. I guess among all the CG mangas, this series really stood out, if only because of this:

"All hail Her Majesty Euphemia li Britannia, the 99th Emperor of the Holy Empire of Britannia!"

[Xander]

In spite of all the NoN praise and subsequent hype, let me play the devil's advocate since it's intellectually stimulating to do so, even if it's a very thankless job all the same...so with all due respect, isn't NoN just great fanfiction or great fanservice, in the most flexible meaning of the term, since ultimately it can be nothing more than a derivative work?

It has shufflied around the same cards but not even for playing the same game. This isn't just a different version of the story, it's a different story altogether where you have to change almost everything around in subtle and not so subtle ways, with just a similar coat of paint on top which would be the familiar (or so you would think) faces.

Reading all these summaries all the way to the end of NoN doesn't quite give me the impression that, while there are similar themes involved, the concepts and events involved would really play out that well in the show itself unless you just rewrote the entire story to suit its needs from the ground up. Which isn't even possible.

Because, you know...the elephant in the room is that it's also much easier to build a new building using a foundation that already exists, when you can pick and choose what construction elements you like and don't have to face the same kind of pressures or make the same compromises that the original arquitects did. It's like saying that there are Evangelion fanfics/doujinshi that are superior to the original work, or that the manga is better written than the TV series (and this is arguably quite true, actually).

I wonder if the writer of NoN could have done a better job than the anime writer if their positions had been reversed. Maybe, maybe not. We're talking about a manga here, after all, and the process involved in making it was surely very different from that of the TV series. This same NoN writer would still have had to make an unexpected set of changes from one season to the next and deal with the fact that the show was now on prime time, which created new demands. That doesn't really apply to an alternate manga adaptation nor to most anime series. The neat little outline that NoN seems to have followed, with the not insignificant benefit of being able to take "inspiration" from the anime, would not exist.

I'll buy the NoN volumes when they're released in English, since it does look like a cool story with very interesting ways to mix and match the original material, for which the author should be rightfully praised, but for me that is not going to replace the original series in any way, as flawed but also as charming as it is, nor do I think it's just a matter of pointing out how much better it supposedly is in a vacuum.

Now let the flaming and ostracism begin. :heh:

[yezhanquan]

Well, we do know that there has been quite a bit of Executive Meddling with the anime, and therefore some story plots had to be dropped as the series is re-introduced to a large (afternoon timeslot) audience. Personally, I would recommend the anime, despite the tags of "trainwreck" which some have given it.

I do hope that NoN gets its own set of drama CDs. Compared to a full anime series, they're low cost, and it gives the opportunity for seiyuu to shine. I don't know about you, but Nazuka Kaori needs that little bit more to push her into the A-list.

[Sol Falling]

In spite of all the NoN praise and subsequent hype, let me play the devil's advocate since it's intellectually stimulating to do so, even if it's a very thankless job all the same...so with all due respect, isn't NoN just great fanfiction or great fanservice, in the most flexible meaning of the term, since ultimately it can be nothing more than a derivative work?

It has shufflied around the same cards but not even for playing the same game. This isn't just a different version of the story, it's a different story altogether where you have to change almost everything around in subtle and not so subtle ways, with just a similar coat of paint on top which would be the familiar (or so you would think) faces.

Reading all these summaries all the way to the end of NoN doesn't quite give me the impression that, while there are similar themes involved, the concepts and events involved would really play out that well in the show itself unless you just rewrote the entire story to suit its needs from the ground up. Which isn't even possible.

Because, you know...the elephant in the room is that it's also much easier to build a new building using a foundation that already exists, when you can pick and choose what construction elements you like and don't have to face the same kind of pressures or make the same compromises that the original arquitects did. It's like saying that there are Evangelion fanfics/doujinshi that are superior to the original work, or that the manga is better written than the TV series (and this is arguably quite true, actually).

I wonder if the writer of NoN could have done a better job than the anime writer if their positions had been reversed. Maybe, maybe not. We're talking about a manga here, after all, and the process involved in making it was surely very different from that of the TV series. This same NoN writer would still have had to make an unexpected set of changes from one season to the next and deal with the fact that the show was now on prime time, which created new demands. That doesn't really apply to an alternate manga adaptation nor to most anime series. The neat little outline that NoN seems to have followed, with the not insignificant benefit of being able to take "inspiration" from the anime, would not exist.

I'll buy the NoN volumes when they're released in English, since it does look like a cool story with very interesting ways to mix and match the original material, for which the author should be rightfully praised, but for me that is not going to replace the original series in any way, as flawed but also as charming as it is, nor do I think it's just a matter of pointing out how much better it supposedly is in a vacuum.

Now let the flaming and ostracism begin. :heh:

:P The problem is, I am not making any claims as to the potential ability of the writers, or even NoN ostensibly as a standalone narrative, in the first place. Although it might even be obvious that NoN's writing enjoys a substansive advantage over the original work by virtue of being a rear guard derivative product, nonetheless this does not take away from the fact that, at least to me (even just to me -- though obviously I would be gratified from some sympathetic expressions), NoN is to a great deal more enjoyable.

With regards to NoN being fanservice, I can't really disagree; at least, on the grounds that no small portion of my enjoyment of the manga derives from my investment in (I don't really mean anything financial by that) and familiarity with the source material. In fact, ultimately I might even have to disagree with that (claims that NoN is a better standalone work; though of course not having tried it, I couldn't really say) because admittedly even a large part of that aforementioned enjoyment comes from negative comparisons with the original anime; while a substansive and significant part of the anime left me with a bad taste in my mouth, by now NoN has me jumping at every new chapter, and given the spoilers, this can be expected to continue. But as you might be able to guess by now, that really doesn't have anything to do with what I intend to say: the purpose of my claim 'NoN >>>> CG' was merely to communicate that, for people like me, who were hooked by the potential or originality of the ideas and characters in Code Geass' first season, only to be subsequently disappointed with the poor execution of the second, Nightmare of Nunally might be a great read. For anybody who has already trudged through the whole of S1 and R2, NoN, which offers a tighter, more substansive, and occasionally even inspired treatment of many of those same ideas, should definately be worth the time.

In terms of flaming and/or ostracism, I suppose now we can move on to how R2 isn't actually so crap as I say it is. Unfortunately, though, you might not be so alone on that, and neither of us would be able to end up playing devil's advocate. (It would also be off-topic.) :P

[Nobodyman9]

First off, good to see you again Sol Falling, it's been a while :)

Second off, I'm not really a fan of NoN because...well, actually I haven't read it :heh: But if it is good half as good as you say it is Sol I may give it a look. Does anyone have any idea if it's been licensed in the U.S. or if they plan to release it here soon?

BTW, just out of curiosity, does Shirley play any role in it? And if so, to what extent?

[Rising Dragon]

First off, good to see you again Sol Falling, it's been a while :)

Second off, I'm not really a fan of NoN because...well, actually I haven't read it :heh: But if it is good half as good as you say it is Sol I may give it a look. Does anyone have any idea if it's been licensed in the U.S. or if they plan to release it here soon?

BTW, just out of curiosity, does Shirley play any role in it? And if so, to what extent?

No real role, from what I can tell. As far as I know, she gets worried over Lelouch's disappearance, but I think that's about it. At least she survives, I think.

[Xander]

:P The problem is, I am not making any claims as to the potential ability of the writers, or even NoN ostensibly as a standalone narrative, in the first place. Although it might even be obvious that NoN's writing enjoys a substansive advantage over the original work by virtue of being a rear guard derivative product, nonetheless this does not take away from the fact that, at least to me (even just to me -- though obviously I would be gratified from some sympathetic expressions), NoN is to a great deal more enjoyable.


Your post clearly was the immediate catalyst for mine, that's rather easy to notice, but my statements weren't just directed at you alone and are meant as a response to the general vibe about NoN that seems to be present around here and even elsewhere on the net.

You are certainly not alone in that respect, but I am not suggesting that NoN should not or could not be enjoyed. The very fact that I am definitely planning to buy it, whenever the manga is officially released in the U.S., would be a positive sign as far as that goes so my words aren't meant to absolutely discourage its enjoyment as, perhaps, a kind of supplement to the series in as much as it admittedly didn't fulfill a lot of its promise, for a number of complicated reasons, while NoN seems to be better structured.

It's more of an attempt to ask people to briefly look back at what NoN actually is and why a direct comparison with the show, beyond personal enjoyment which may be based on objective grounds but is ultimately also subjective, runs into several issues. That's really the main message, if you want to describe it as such, that I intend to transmit.
Everything else is up for debate.

[Sol Falling]

First off, good to see you again Sol Falling, it's been a while :)

Second off, I'm not really a fan of NoN because...well, actually I haven't read it :heh: But if it is good half as good as you say it is Sol I may give it a look. Does anyone have any idea if it's been licensed in the U.S. or if they plan to release it here soon?

BTW, just out of curiosity, does Shirley play any role in it? And if so, to what extent?

Hey Nobodyman9; indeed it has. I'm actually in the middle of a pretty long post for the Shirley thread (it's been sitting there for a couple days) so you might see me in there pretty soon.

Given what's been said in this thread, it seems that NoN is indeed liscensed, although no volumes have been released yet. As for how good I say it is, it's really the absence of a lot of the useless/undeveloped crap from the anime, greater development for a lot of the plot points which actually weren't (useless/undeveloped), and a couple of really great plot twists. Shirley, though, doesn't seem to be playing a major role, having disappeared after the hoteljacking incident. It's unfortunate, but kinda expected, given that this series' premise was that Lelouch had died and all. On the other hand, this means that there doesn't seem to be any Lelouch shipping at all, which is great because I consider all the Kallen and C.C. fanservice in R2 one of its great wastes of time, as C.C.'s development never went anywhere and Kallen's love, though I suppose important for her character development, really never did anything significant for the plot.

Rolo also isn't a delusional/psychotic little bitch in this version, and actually the subject of a rather substansive plot twist, which is again great because it makes him immediately more likeable. This is just another example of how NoN seems to be able to trim the useless fanservice (yaoi this time) and actually bring something meaningful to the story.

lol sorry I am totally trolling. :bow::bow::bow:

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Your post clearly was the immediate catalyst for mine, that's rather easy to notice, but my statements weren't just directed at you alone and are meant as a response to the general vibe about NoN that seems to be present around here and even elsewhere on the net.

You are certainly not alone in that respect, but I am not suggesting that NoN should not or could not be enjoyed. The very fact that I am definitely planning to buy it, whenever the manga is officially released in the U.S., would be a positive sign as far as that goes so my words aren't meant to absolutely discourage its enjoyment as, perhaps, a kind of supplement to the series in as much as it admittedly didn't fulfill a lot of its promise, for a number of complicated reasons, while NoN seems to be better structured.

It's more of an attempt to ask people to briefly look back at what NoN actually is and why a direct comparison with the show, beyond personal enjoyment which may be based on objective grounds but is ultimately also subjective, runs into several issues. That's really the main message, if you want to describe it as such, that I intend to transmit.
Everything else is up for debate.

Ah, sorry about that. Yeah, I got that you were responding to the vibe, but as far as I saw I was the only one making direct comparisons to the anime (in terms of better/worse) so my response was to address that part specifically.

Anyway, as far as that goes, I certainly agree that it would be tough to compare the two individually, and indeed only endorse NoN as a supplement. However, even as a supplement, I still feel that NoN is objectively better written than the original, and as a result is more enjoyable, especially for people who, like myself, found the second season's writing lacking.

[Nobodyman9]

Hey Nobodyman9; indeed it has. I'm actually in the middle of a pretty long post for the Shirley thread (it's been sitting there for a couple days) so you might see me in there pretty soon.
Ooh, you tantalizing bastard. LOL, just kidding. Looking forward to seein git.

Given what's been said in this thread, it seems that NoN is indeed liscensed, although no volumes have been released yet. As for how good I say it is, it's really the absence of a lot of the useless/undeveloped crap from the anime, greater development for a lot of the plot points which actually weren't (useless/undeveloped), and a couple of really great plot twists. Shirley, though, doesn't seem to be playing a major role, having disappeared after the hoteljacking incident. It's unfortunate, but kinda expected, given that this series' premise was that Lelouch had died and all. On the other hand, this means that there doesn't seem to be any Lelouch shipping at all, which is great because I consider all the Kallen and C.C. fanservice in R2 one of its great wastes of time, as C.C.'s development never went anywhere and Kallen's love, though I suppose important for her character development, really never did anything significant for the plot.

Rolo also isn't a delusional/psychotic little bitch in this version, and actually the subject of a rather substansive plot twist, which is again great because it makes him immediately more likeable. This is just another example of how NoN seems to be able to trim the useless fanservice (yaoi this time) and actually bring something meaningful to the story.
Hmm, well I must admit that it sounds very interesting, despite the Shirley abscense (hey, at least she's not dead :heh:) If they ever do start releasing the NoN volumes here in the states I think I may go and pick them, being a pretty big CG fan and all.

lol sorry I am totally trolling. :bow::bow::bow:
LOL, I don't think you're trolling. You're responding to my question, and giving your opinion in an honest constructive manner (though, I guess your critiques about R2 weren't entirely necessary :heh:)

[ClovisLaBritannia]

so im curious about suzaku of the counterattack, So is all this stuff about Schneizel true? it seems like BS to me:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schneizel_el_Britannia#Suzaku_of_the_Counterattack

[Kaioshin Sama]

In spite of all the NoN praise and subsequent hype, let me play the devil's advocate since it's intellectually stimulating to do so, even if it's a very thankless job all the same...so with all due respect, isn't NoN just great fanfiction or great fanservice, in the most flexible meaning of the term, since ultimately it can be nothing more than a derivative work?

It has shufflied around the same cards but not even for playing the same game. This isn't just a different version of the story, it's a different story altogether where you have to change almost everything around in subtle and not so subtle ways, with just a similar coat of paint on top which would be the familiar (or so you would think) faces.

Reading all these summaries all the way to the end of NoN doesn't quite give me the impression that, while there are similar themes involved, the concepts and events involved would really play out that well in the show itself unless you just rewrote the entire story to suit its needs from the ground up. Which isn't even possible.

Because, you know...the elephant in the room is that it's also much easier to build a new building using a foundation that already exists, when you can pick and choose what construction elements you like and don't have to face the same kind of pressures or make the same compromises that the original arquitects did. It's like saying that there are Evangelion fanfics/doujinshi that are superior to the original work, or that the manga is better written than the TV series (and this is arguably quite true, actually).

I wonder if the writer of NoN could have done a better job than the anime writer if their positions had been reversed. Maybe, maybe not. We're talking about a manga here, after all, and the process involved in making it was surely very different from that of the TV series. This same NoN writer would still have had to make an unexpected set of changes from one season to the next and deal with the fact that the show was now on prime time, which created new demands. That doesn't really apply to an alternate manga adaptation nor to most anime series. The neat little outline that NoN seems to have followed, with the not insignificant benefit of being able to take "inspiration" from the anime, would not exist.

I'll buy the NoN volumes when they're released in English, since it does look like a cool story with very interesting ways to mix and match the original material, for which the author should be rightfully praised, but for me that is not going to replace the original series in any way, as flawed but also as charming as it is, nor do I think it's just a matter of pointing out how much better it supposedly is in a vacuum.

Now let the flaming and ostracism begin. :heh:

I chalk it up to the old internet phenomenon where the availability of the product is directly inverse to how much people hype it up and treat it like it's the greatest thing ever. NoN is obscure and hard to find so therefore it must be better then the anime, and the anime is the most bashed show in recent memory and readily available so therefore by the laws of the internet NoN must be better than the "horrible" anime.

Personally I don't see how one could say that the manga is superior to the anime. The manga wouldn't exist without the anime's creation to give it a foundation and really it's just a retelling. Of course given how immature and trollish some people get now whenever they discuss the R2 anime I guess in their minds any version of the story is somehow superior. Also if you ask me the art in NoN is pretty awful and more inconsistant then even the weakest parts of the anime, so anybody that claims it's superior is probably just trying to bash the anime.

[Sherby~]

Hey, does anyone have a scanlation for the 17th chapter of Nightmare of Nunnally? I've already read chapters 1-16, but I can't find chapter 17 anywhere.

[Who]

Hey, does anyone have a scanlation for the 17th chapter of Nightmare of Nunnally? I've already read chapters 1-16, but I can't find chapter 17 anywhere.

You'll just have to wait a bit since they're still being released.

[KrimzonStriker]

I chalk it up to the old internet phenomenon where the availability of the product is directly inverse to how much people hype it up and treat it like it's the greatest thing ever. NoN is obscure and hard to find so therefore it must be better then the anime, and the anime is the most bashed show in recent memory and readily available so therefore by the laws of the internet NoN must be better than the "horrible" anime.

Personally I don't see how one could say that the manga is superior to the anime. The manga wouldn't exist without the anime's creation to give it a foundation and really it's just a retelling. Of course given how immature and trollish some people get now whenever they discuss the R2 anime I guess in their minds any version of the story is somehow superior. Also if you ask me the art in NoN is pretty awful and more inconsistant then even the weakest parts of the anime, so anybody that claims it's superior is probably just trying to bash the anime.

Now Now Kaio, no need to take it out on the manga if we're angry with trolls. Plus the artwork was pretty good by most manga standards, challenging a whole staff of animators with budgets up the whazoo for a high profile project like Code Geass that is very much dependent on its graphic animation is a little unfair. The story itself was a very interesting set of twist that I found very enjoyable even comparison to the anime. :p

[Sol Falling]

I chalk it up to the old internet phenomenon where the availability of the product is directly inverse to how much people hype it up and treat it like it's the greatest thing ever. NoN is obscure and hard to find so therefore it must be better then the anime, and the anime is the most bashed show in recent memory and readily available so therefore by the laws of the internet NoN must be better than the "horrible" anime.

Personally I don't see how one could say that the manga is superior to the anime. The manga wouldn't exist without the anime's creation to give it a foundation and really it's just a retelling. Of course given how immature and trollish some people get now whenever they discuss the R2 anime I guess in their minds any version of the story is somehow superior. Also if you ask me the art in NoN is pretty awful and more inconsistant then even the weakest parts of the anime, so anybody that claims it's superior is probably just trying to bash the anime.

:rolleyes: Oh Kaioshin, will you ever get over your persecution complex and actually manage to speak with some perspective? If you're going to try to insert yourself into a conversation that has absolutely nothing to do with you (honestly, calling NoN 'just a retelling' makes it clear you've hardly looked at it in the first place), at least have the courtesy to look past your 'everyone who disagrees with me is a mindless internet sheep' dogma for a moment and actually try to understand what people are saying.

Here is some art from Code Geass (I remembered this pic, so I just google searched Cornelia):

http://www.atalude.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/cornelia9.jpg

You're seriously want to try saying NoN is worse?

[Kaioshin Sama]

:rolleyes: Oh Kaioshin, will you ever get over your persecution complex and actually manage to speak with some perspective? If you're going to try to insert yourself into a conversation that has absolutely nothing to do with you (honestly, calling NoN 'just a retelling' makes it clear you've hardly looked at it in the first place), at least have the courtesy to look past your 'everyone who disagrees with me is a mindless internet sheep' dogma for a moment and actually try to understand what people are saying.

Here is some art from Code Geass (I remembered this pic, so I just google searched Cornelia):

http://www.atalude.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/cornelia9.jpg

You're seriously want to try saying NoN is worse?

Oh god no.....0.5 seconds of a character turning in the distance that somebody actively trolling the show had to go through an episode with a fine tooth comb to find and then blow up several times in order to make seem awful. This is totally not invocative of something that might happen in any series if you go looking for it. No not at all.....:rolleyes:

Seriously did you even bother to ask why that collection of frames looks so pixelated? Yeah I am challenging that NoN looks worse on average, because that is just a blown up set of frames made to look bad by trolls and not at all an example of how Code Geass looks on average. Seriously how do you expect that this 4chan fodder pic proves anything?

Let's do this right now shall we?

http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/ASPink-chan/NoN/d878060e.jpg

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/8933/codegeassr225large38.jpg

I mean for god sakes son, half the time they don't even bother to draw (http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/842/code4063ln9.jpg) faces (http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1738/code4049xd8.jpg) in NoN (http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/842/code4063ln9.jpg). Even the worst frame in Code Geass R2, blown up or not doesnt' have anything like this.

There you go, that was your chance, noted, countered, done. Next time come up with an actual valid comparison/contrast instead of just posting 4chan meme pics, because right now I am facing this head on and have provided far more examples then you have for someone who apparently is "lacking perspective". Also this is a public board and anything posted here concerns everyone, interest in Code Geass or not, so if you have an issue with people jumping into a conversation then you have an issue with message boards in general, in which case I have to ask what you were expecting by posting in one. If you didn't want people responding then you could have used the PM function. :eyebrow:

[yezhanquan]

Off models will exist. As long as someone in the drawing team is slacking off (or simply too tired), they will appear. To me, if a story can be reduced to being told in words and still sound ok, it's not bad for me. Both R2 and NoN are in that category.

[Sol Falling]

Oh god no.....0.5 seconds of a character turning in the distance that somebody actively trolling the show had to go through an episode with a fine tooth comb to find and then blow up several times in order to make seem awful. This is totally not invocative of something that might happen in any series if you go looking for it. No not at all.....:rolleyes:

Seriously did you even bother to ask why that collection of frames looks so pixelated? Yeah I am challenging that NoN looks worse on average, because that is just a blown up set of frames made to look bad by trolls and not at all an example of how Code Geass looks on average. Seriously how do you expect that this 4chan fodder pic proves anything?

Let's do this right now shall we?

http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo56/ASPink-chan/NoN/d878060e.jpg

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/8933/codegeassr225large38.jpg

There you go, that was your chance, noted, countered, done. Next time come up with an actual comparison.

I mean for god sakes son, half the time they don't even bother to draw (http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/842/code4063ln9.jpg) faces (http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1738/code4049xd8.jpg) in the Manga. Even the worst frame in Code Geass R2, blown up or not doesnt' have anything like this.

lol. So disfigured art like the above (you know that's hardly the only example) is totally trivial, but a couple missing faces isn't? I'm talking about consistency here (a minimal level of competence in every drawing), and NoN has that hands down.

Yeah, so one page from NoN (which can hardly be called totally representative) looks slightly worse than one screen from the anime (equally so). What exactly is that supposed to prove? Can you actually point out any glaring flaws in the art there? The point about NoN's art is, you know what you're going to get, rather than flipping around all over the place from peaks like the final episode to troughs like the pic I brought up(episode 22). No doubt that is easier to achieve with a monthly manga than an anime, but you're just being a shill if you expect that to make a difference to the end user.

And you know, this nitpicking shit was never even the point for me with the art, and I can just trust you to dive right into it, right? All I wanted to do by bringing up NoN's art in the first place was spread the greatness of pics of like this (http://www.onemanga.com/Code_Geass_-_Nightmare_of_Nunnally/7/08/) (I suppose not expecting it would make it funnier, but still -- he looks like such a self-satisfied bitch. Instantly ups Lloyd's awesome factor.). You'd do a much better job of defending Code Geass (or whatever it is you really care about, Kaioshin) if you actually bothered to communicate the things you enjoyed about it, you know.

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(adding this)

There you go, that was your chance, noted, countered, done. Next time come up with an actual valid comparison/contrast instead of just posting 4chan meme pics, because right now I am facing this head on and have provided far more examples then you have for someone who apparently is "lacking perspective". Also this is a public board and anything posted here concerns everyone, interest in Code Geass or not, so if you have an issue with people jumping into a conversation then you have an issue with message boards in general, in which case I have to ask what you were expecting by posting in one. If you didn't want people responding then you could have used the PM function.

What I meant by 'jumping into a conversation' was presuming you are qualified to speak on a topic you don't care for and instantly revealing your lack of research, and furthermore completely ignoring significant chunks of the existing conversation to try to make a point that's already been made. I don't mind you posting Kaioshin, I just expect a minimum level of respect (an attempt to actually communicate).

[Kaioshin Sama]

lol. So disfigured art like the above (you know that's hardly the only example) is totally trivial, but a couple missing faces isn't? I'm talking about consistency here (a minimal level of competence in every drawing), and NoN has that hands down.

Okay, demonstrate it then? Keeping in mind that it's a manga series of still shots and the anime is comprised of thousands of individual frames in any given episode of which you are liable to find at least one that is somewhat off if you are going looking for one. Though again the fact that your 4chan fodder shot (which by the way is not a picture but as I have already mentioned several times is actually a set of sequential frames comprising approximately 0.5 seconds worth of animation of Cornelia turning in a doorway off in the distance blown up and zoomed in to make it look like a close up shot) that has already been posted so many times and never in the proper context is all I've got to go on comparison wise leaves me underwhelmed.

Yeah, so one page from NoN (which can hardly be called totally representative) looks slightly worse than one screen from the anime (equally so). What exactly is that supposed to prove? Can you actually point out any glaring flaws in the art there? The point about NoN's art is, you know what you're going to get, rather than flipping around all over the place from peaks like the final episode to troughs like the pic I brought up(episode 22). No doubt that is easier to achieve with a monthly manga than an anime, but you're just being a shill if you expect that to make a difference to the end user.

This could just as easily be turned around you know? I mean you took the point on using one sequence in CG R2 as an example of it's apparently awful art. You didn't help your case by starting off on that note and inviting the same level of comparison. Especially when you consider that the point you are trying to make is that the manga's art beats the shows hands down, which you have done little to prove other than insisting it's the case.

By the way, I linked more than one page you know.

And you know, this nitpicking shit was never even the point for me with the art, and I can just trust you to dive right into it, right? All I wanted to do by bringing up NoN's art in the first place was spread the greatness of pics of like this (http://www.onemanga.com/Code_Geass_-_Nightmare_of_Nunnally/7/08/) (I suppose not expecting it would make it funnier, but still -- he looks like such a self-satisfied bitch. Instantly ups Lloyd's awesome factor.). You'd do a much better job of defending Code Geass (or whatever it is you really care about, Kaioshin) if you actually bothered to communicate the things you enjoyed about it, you know.

.....Lolwut? Are you seriously calling me out like I'm not communicating here despite the fact that I am posting a message and addressing you quote by quote? That I find that disrespectful, especially considering that you could easily find a ton of examples of what I enjoyed about Code Geass here and on my blog if you bothered to look. I've already gone over that sort of thing before and that's a different issue altogether. This is an issue about you knocking the art of the series and stating that the Manga beats it, and me disagreeing. I post a comparison contrast of similiar shots between the Manga and Anime. You present a still shot of Lloyd looking smug as an example of NoN's apparently superior artwork, and yet there are many (http://animehistory.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/good-whine-makes-good-blood.jpg?w=423&h=238) many (http://animehistory.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/snapshot20080730214533.jpg) shots (http://animehistory.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/snapshot20080716234549.jpg?w=500&h=284) of characters like this in the series itself that look even more detailed. Sorry, but what exactly does this shot of yours prove? Time to get on the same page Sol Falling.


What I meant by 'jumping into a conversation' was presuming you are qualified to speak on a topic you don't care for and instantly revealing your lack of research, and furthermore completely ignoring significant chunks of the existing conversation to try to make a point that's already been made. I don't mind you posting Kaioshin, I just expect a minimum level of respect (an attempt to actually communicate).

Sorry I fail to see what huge error in ettiquete I have made here. I wasn't aware that I had to quote somebody else before I could quote you or whatever it is you are taking issue with. Though I do find it laughable that you are claiming I don't care about Code Geass. I will take that as a joke rather than an insult because it's just to nonsensical to be taken seriously. :heh:

What I don't get is this whole "communication" thing you've got going on. What is this you are even getting at? How are we not communicating exactly? I'd also like to know why exactly you think I am not qualfiied to speak on the topic of Code Geass? I am listening. ;)

[Sol Falling]

*sigh* Missing the point again, sir.

Okay, demonstrate it then? Keeping in mind that it's a manga series of still shots and the anime is comprised of thousands of individual frames in any given episode of which you are liable to find at least one that is somewhat off if you are going looking for one. Though again the fact that your 4chan fodder shot that has already been posted so many times is blown up makes it an inaccurate representation of the series consistency as a whole.

You know, I hardly think I should have to bother. You obviously aren't willing to admit that Code Geass's animation is littered with ugly, low quality animation and I am willing enough to believe in other people's ability to think for themselves that I'm not going to bother correcting you. R2's animation isn't terrible, but there are a number of instances which demonstrate less than quality workmanship while with NoN the level of quality is more standardized. As you've even admitted, this is more likely to happen with an anime than a manga so I hardly see why we have to debate this.

This could just as easily be turned around you know? I mean you took the point on using one sequence in CG R2 as an example of it's apparently awful art. You didn't help your case by starting off on that note and inviting the same level of comparison. Especially when you consider that the point you are trying to make is that the manga's art beats the shows hands down, which you have done little to prove other than insisting it's the case.

I only mentioned 'consistency' winning hands down. I'm not going to go through every page of NoN and every screen of the anime just to prove it. I'm just going to ask people to trust me on this, based on their own experiences with the anime, and by offering the idea that yes, a manga being a series of still frames, it should be easier to maintain a consistent level of quality.

By the way, I linked more than one page you know.

Okay, and what was so bad about the others aside from the missing faces?

.....Lolwut? Are you seriously calling me out like I'm not communicating here despite the fact that I am posting a message and addressing you quote by quote? That I find that disrespectful, especially considering that you could easily find a ton of examples of what I enjoyed about Code Geass here and on my blog if you bothered to look. I've already gone over that sort of thing before and that's a different issue altogether. This is an issue about you knocking the art of the series and stating that the Manga beats it, and me disagreeing. I post a comparison contrast of similiar shots between the Manga and Anime. You present a still shot of Lloyd looking smug as an example of NoN's apparently superior artwork, and yet there are many (http://animehistory.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/good-whine-makes-good-blood.jpg?w=423&h=238) many (http://animehistory.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/snapshot20080730214533.jpg) shots (http://animehistory.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/snapshot20080716234549.jpg?w=500&h=284) of characters like this in the series itself that look even more detailed. Sorry, but what exactly does this shot of yours prove? Time to get on the same page Sol Falling.

I am calling you out on what seem to be your motivations. What I want to do is spread the love for NoN, because I genuinely enjoy it and think others would too. My negative impressions on the series proper are just an aside, and can almost be called irrelevant because anybody who's in the Code Geass subforum will probably have watched the series themselves already and formed their own opinions. Your business, on the other hand, seems to be exclusively focused on censoring other people's already formulated opinions by characterizing them as blind internet memetism. Can you just not wrap your head around the fact that people enjoy Nightmare of Nunally, Kaioshin? (before you start claiming you can, just take the small step forward from that and wrap your head around the next idea that some people might then enjoy NoN more than they did the anime. That is really all the comparison was meant to communicate.)

If you'd actually paid attention to my first post in this thread, you'd know that I find the subtle changes in character design present in NoN quite thrilling. The idea of Lloyd being a smug aristocratic know-it-all rather than the whacky scientist we are all familiar with is quite cool (in my opinion). That was what my posting of that pic was supposed to communicate, Kaioshin, while I fail to see how that collection of pics you brought up in response serves any purpose at all.

Sorry I fail to see what huge error in ettiquete I have made here. I wasn't aware that I had to quote somebody else before I could quote you or whatever it is you are taking issue with. Though I do find it laughable that you are claiming I don't care about Code Geass. I will take that as a joke rather than an insult because it's just to nonsensical to be taken seriously. :heh:

lol. I wasn't talking about quoting anybody, but obviously I have to spell this out for you (as you can't be bothered to go back and actually read what has already been said). You brought up Nightmare of Nunally being a derivative product of Code Geass as if it were some new idea disqualifying any statement as to the former's superiority. If you'd actually bothered to pay attention to Xander's and my conversation, you'd have noticed that this was in fact one of his central points and that I had already addressed and even conceded it.

There's your error in ettiquette. Having the decency to actually pay attention to what the people you're talking to are saying.

What I don't get is this whole "communication" thing you've got going on. What is this you are even getting at? How are we not communicating exactly? I'd also like to know why exactly you think I am not qualfiied to speak on the topic of Code Geass? I am listening. ;)

Given your lack of familiarity with NoN, you are not qualified to speak about its enjoyability. The way you're focusing on its art here, when clearly the brunt of its appeal lies in its tighter writing and alternative storyline, only serves to further emphasize this.

[Kaioshin Sama]

What I want to do is spread the love for NoN, because I genuinely enjoy it and think others would too. My negative impressions on the series proper are just an aside, and can almost be called irrelevant because anybody who's in the Code Geass subforum will probably have watched the series themselves already and formed their own opinions.

I suppose I can accept this, though I still don't understand why you felt the need to pull an x>y argument on the show and expect nobody to question it. After all I'm about spreading love for Code Geass in general, which includes the anime and I tend to like to address what I find to be unfair knocks at the show like your posting of that Cornelia 4chan fodder that you admit you don't even really know the proper context of. That was especially irksome considering that intially I was replying to Xander and you were the one that barged in by posting that fodder and while proceeding to call me out on a "lack of ettiquette" as well as to question my intentions as being motivated by a "persecution complex" and featuring a lack of perspective. So yeah, why you expected any the above to go over well is well beyond my ability to comprehend.

And by the way I've read all of NoN that is available to me so yeah I am qualified to speak about it and I still stand by my previous statement that I don't find the artwork or character designs nearly as a appealing as those in the anime and I will settle it for being a difference of taste if you will. Please though, next time don't assume that I haven't read something as it's really insulting.

[Sol Falling]

I suppose I can accept this, though I still don't understand why you felt the need to pull an x>y argument on the show and expect nobody to question it. After all I'm about spreading love for Code Geass in general, which includes the anime and I tend to like to address what I find to be unfair knocks at the show like your posting of that Cornelia 4chan fodder that you admit you don't even really know the proper context of. That was especially irksome considering that intially I was replying to Xander and you were the one that barged in by posting that fodder and while proceeding to call me out on a "lack of ettiquette" as well as to question my intentions as being motivated by a "persecution complex" and featuring a lack of perspective. So yeah, why you expected any the above to go over well is well beyond my ability to comprehend.

:P I'll take this reconciliation, but two things. First, Xander did question my x>y argument before you did, and we managed to have a fairly contained discussion about it. Second, although your post was talking to Xander, the actual topic you were addressing was my opinion (since no one else in this thread seems to have made any x>y manga anime comparisons). Since you were painting all the NoN praise with a broad brush as motivated by anime bashing, not even bothering to address me when I as a representative of that NoN praise was right there, I don't really see how you expected that to go over well either.

And by the way I've read all of NoN that is available to me so yeah I am qualified to speak about it and I still stand by my previous statement that I don't find the artwork or character designs nearly as a appealing as those in the anime and I will settle it for being a difference of taste if you will. Please though, next time don't assume that I haven't read something as it's really insulting.

Since you did read it, I'll apologize. Your decision to focus on the art aspect of the comparison when I had hardly spoken on it for longer than a sentence was honestly baffling, however.

[Bonzo]

I use the way to not draw faces in the panels with little arts too, it's useful to spare time and to evade to ruin all.
But the characters are very little.

[asaqe]

Thank god all the Irregular girls lived, for a moment there, I expect at least one to die, at least now Nunnally and her knights to her secret garden if you know what I mean.

[morbosfist]

Might want to remove the link.

However, having finally seen the opening, how in the name of C's World did a pocketwatch protect Suzaku from a gunshot to the head? It boggles the mind.

[Yu Ominae]

I read it...

It seemed the ending of Vol. 5 showed Zero.

[darthfury78]

Another question that I want to ask is regarding the Code Geass Manga. I know that the first 3 are licensed. However, what about the 4th manga/novel that Has Lelouch in the 19th century? Was that ever translated? I know that it's the only one that was released in the U.S. market.

[Yu Ominae]

Not yet. Bandai hasn't announced it yet for a release in English or in any other language.

[darthfury78]

Not yet. Bandai hasn't announced it yet for a release in English or in any other language.

Since the 4th manga/novel that Has Lelouch in the 19th century hasn't been released in the U.S. is there a site where I could find this novel, translated or even illustration of it? If you have any information about this 4th Manga of Code Geass, please let me know.

[Jze0]

For those who care, the Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion manga series just completed its run at chapter 38 in the latest issue of Gekkan Asuka. It ended pretty much the same as the anime but with a few small differences... of course I'm refering to the no mecha.

From the end of the Code Geass R2 anime I was hoping the manga would have a different ending but I guess that was not going to happen...

[morbosfist]

Yeah, that's not a surprise. They basically ran the plot in the same direction without Knightmares the entire time.

[azul120]

How do they arrive at Zero Requiem? From the betrayal, like in the anime?

Saw a few scans somewhere, and from the looks of it...

Kaguya is leader of Japan instead of Ohgi, thank goodness, and Ohgi himself is seen someone who looks a lot like Villetta.

[Nobodyman9]

Kaguya is leader of Japan instead of Ohgi, thank goodness,
Best. Improvement. Ever.
and Ohgi himself is seen someone who looks a lot like Villetta.
So what, did Villetta die in the manga or did she not appear at all?

[stardrago]

So what happen to Kallen, C.C., and the rest of the student councul?

[azul120]

Read volume 6, aka the first of R2, and it starts out with only Lelouch's memories of C. C. and Geass being erased. The student council still has their memories of Nunnally erased, in order for Rolo to be implanted as Lelouch's "brother". And as it turns out, Villetta shows up as part of the OSI detail. She is the one who is about to kill Rolo (which doesn't make sense in that you would think he could use his Geass to trick her) until Lelouch takes the bullet for him. Since she wasn't around earlier, Lelouch geasses her this time into helping him. I forget the exact command though.

They totally skipped the Black Knight rescue (here, they scattered after Zero's disappearance during the Black Rebellion, so it wouldn't have applied), neither Suzaku nor the other two prominent KoRs showed up during the festival, the events of episode 6-8 were skipped, and Horai Island was acquired as a gift from Xing-ke for helping liberate China. Oh, and that green beaver costume Kallen was in during the festival in the anime? Here, Lelouch was in it first. And Nina is apparently still part of the Student Council. Time will tell if Villetta will turn out to be the same kind of (arguably manipulative) co-Swiss Messenger she was in the anime come the inevitable betrayal.

[ShinobiMuramasa]

Can someone confirm whether or not Suzaku of the Counterattack is only two volumes? Has the second volume been released in English? Also, is Tales of an Alternate Shogunate only one volume?

[Arbitres]

Suzaku of the Counterattack is more then two volumes.

Tales of an alternate Shogunate hasn't even been translated from my understanding. I wouldn't know how many volumes it'd be, either.

[Zetsubou Bunny]

Anyone read the Code Geass: Knights volume 1 yet? :heh: Oh my gosh, I had SO much more fun with that than I expected! I thought I'd seen everything that was official already (with the exception of the elusive SotCA vol 3+ and ToAS as mentioned before) but apparently these aren't scanslated anywhere. So it was a big surprise to me to say the least, and I laughed my ass off! Really well illustrated too. (Wish they would have gotten some of these artists to do a manga which I won't name instead of who they currently have doing it, but we won't go there..)

Poor Lelouch was the butt of almost every gag. (And Rivalz. Poor Rivalz..) My favourite sketch hands-down was the one about Schneizel infiltrating TBK as a Zero look-alike and no one being able to identify the real Zero. That had me in roflz.

I'm so psyched that there are five more volumes of this.

[SonOfHeaven]

Just read the second chapter of Code Geass Shikkoku no Renya. Its getting a little bit more interesting. Still don't have much of an opinion on Renya let. Seems like a typical main character as of right now. Sir Weinberg already is more interesting than Gino. :heh:

[Bonzo]

For now seems another invented theory about geass, for the rest that Claire lee britannia, seems the blonde girl at nunnally's side in the ending of leouch's birthday drama.

[fukarming]

Kaguya is leader of Japan instead of Ohgi, thank goodness, and Ohgi himself is seen someone who looks a lot like Villetta.

Finally my wish is granted. I had been shocked that Ohgi instead of Kaguya becoming the head of Japan in the anime and the staffs had finally realized their mistake.

Still, letting Ohgi survive is bad. We need a sequel that kill off Ohgi once and for all.

[Sol Falling]

lol. Good chapter. Renya/Suzaku isn't qualified to attain Geass? That's really interesting. Seems like he's not gonna become your typical geass user after all.

Claire Lee Britannia == Nunally? Or Euphemia? Nunally makes a bit more sense for me at the moment but I'm finding the slight hints of romance between her and Renya cute so I would prefer the latter. Still interesting either way though.

This manga is a lot of fun too read.

[Hooves]

Finally my wish is granted. I had been shocked that Ohgi instead of Kaguya becoming the head of Japan in the anime and the staffs had finally realized their mistake.

Still, letting Ohgi survive is bad. We need a sequel that kill off Ohgi once and for all.

Ohgi has been an annoying character ever since the incident where he stripped Villetta and eventually started falling in love with her while she had amnesia..

[Xander]

lol. Good chapter. Renya/Suzaku isn't qualified to attain Geass? That's really interesting. Seems like he's not gonna become your typical geass user after all.


While we haven't really seen anything definitive...I'm guessing that arm and its curse might have something to do with it...and perhaps they're also somehow related to the mysterious person with an uncanny resemblance to Lelouch.

Claire Lee Britannia == Nunally? Or Euphemia? Nunally makes a bit more sense for me at the moment but I'm finding the slight hints of romance between her and Renya cute so I would prefer the latter. Still interesting either way though.

That could go either way, really, but so far she's shown more willingness to use force than either Euphy or Nunnally.

By the way, I imagine her name's supposed to be Claire li Britannia, which goes along with how Cornelia and her sister were both li Britannia. Not that I understand anything about how the Britannian naming system works though. :heh:

Anyway...Gino's ancestor, since that's almost certainly who he is, might become a better character if he's given more time to shine. I'm assuming that's the plan here. Right now I'd say my opinion of him is neutral.

Speaking of which, it was implied that C.C. was working along with the late Isshin Sumeragi but now we've learned she's also involved with Weinberg and whoever is the mastermind standing behind the scenes.

The actual premise still isn't terribly clear by this point though...it feels like we've seen half of the first episode of a series and the plot is still going through the motions before we really get a good idea of where this manga is heading.

[Chupps]

I'm most curious about Renya's arm and what C.C said "No this is the seed of sealing... No... The first step towards the curse..." The curse of Geass? Or something totally new, this is what I'd like to know, as well as the ability it's apparently given Renya which isn't similar to anything we've seen so far with Geass.

The Gino bit was okay, but I'd like that plot to thicken.


The actual premise still isn't terribly clear by this point though...it feels like we've seen half of the first episode of a series and the plot is still going through the motions before we really get a good idea of where this manga is heading.

My thoughts exactly. A lot of things are still very cloudy, but we've been shown enough each chapter to keep interest alive.

[Eternal Dreamer]

Well, the third chapter of Shikkoku no Renya is finally out...and now we're left with the same questions after reading it. What is this "zombie arm" of Renya's? Just what exactly is this "curse"? Well, we probably won't find that out anytime soon, if we use how LoR turned as a basis.

Spoilers ahead! If you haven't read it yet, be warned.

[SonOfHeaven]

We'll just have to wait and see how Renya and the plot turns out. When I read the chapter, I wasn't really that interested in it. Though I think after 5 or 10 chapters. The overall story will get better.

[Xion Valkyrie]

I'm pretty sure just a wig is not going to be enough to make a British person look Japanese...

[Bonzo]

I'm pretty sure just a wig is not going to be enough to make a British person look Japanese...

You know, very often japanese mangaka are enough superficial about write a storyboard, however in the manga (for now) they just write Carla is a orphan, with them since she was almost a baby.

[lightbringer]

I'm pretty sure just a wig is not going to be enough to make a British person look Japanese...

But nationality in manga is always determined by hair color and eye color :rolleyes:

[yvj]

I'm pretty sure just a wig is not going to be enough to make a British person look Japanese...

Haven't posted in the forum for months.

But I had to drop an LOL for this.

Hilarious

[Nobodyman9]

But nationality in manga is always determined by hair color and eye color :rolleyes:
Even then, I can see no discernable differences between Britannians and the Japanese in Code Geass. I don't know how they tell each other apart.

[Kittenlady]

To be fair, apart from Suzaku, Lelouch, Guilford and Kallen (who doesn't entirely count), they followed the general 'Japanese people - dark hair' 'Britannian people - multi-coloured hair' scheme.

They still should've made it more obvious considering race was supposed to be playing such a large part in the story, but hey.

[lightbringer]

I had high expectations for this. Now we have floating power rangers calling themselves knightmares. Are they really going to continue pretending that this is a canon manga? It's going downhill at mach 10.

[Roloko vi Britannia]

I had high expectations for this. Now we have floating power rangers calling themselves knightmares. Are they really going to continue pretending that this is a canon manga? It's going downhill at mach 10.

lol power rangers wtf?? :heh:

Well I bought Code Geass Knights volume 1 at the Tsubasacon Saturday and I love it so far I'm planning on finishing the rest of it here in the next couple days.

[Xander]

I had high expectations for this. Now we have floating power rangers calling themselves knightmares. Are they really going to continue pretending that this is a canon manga? It's going downhill at mach 10.

Just a comment, based on limited information about the newest Renya chapter.


Haven't actually seen any of the images yet, but the transcript doesn't make it sound that bad...I can live with some ridiculous supernatural beings or whatever those happen to be if the rest of the story makes up for it sooner or later.

[lightbringer]

Well, it's like this:

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6899/shikkokunorenyach0428.th.png (http://img80.imageshack.us/i/shikkokunorenyach0428.png/)

If you ask me, that's not a Knightmare, that's a masked power ranger :heh:

[TrueElements]

I have to say, what a twist... i like it.

[GundamFan0083]

Power rangers huh? :D

I was thinking more along the lines of the Knights of the Round from Nightmare of Nunnally.
They were a bunch of undead dudes in powered armor.

[SonOfHeaven]

After reading chapter 4. I'm still skeptical on Renya as a main character. Hasn't stand out in my opinion so far. The Weinberg guy doesn't seem too bad as a character. I guess the Weinbergs like to see talent for potential knights. Very similar to how Gino thought so of Kallen. Both of the Weinbergs thinking that they could switch sides to better themselves.

Hopefully the next few chapters get more interesting.

[TrueElements]

This is a slow 4 chapters is the thing, like unless this is going to be insanely short i don't see it getting anywhere soon.

[Xander]

Cross-posting this in the relevant thread.

A thought has crossed my mind reading over this discussion about the ZR and having just finished the 4th issue of Renya of the Dark.

CC mentions that Geass has the power of Resurrection in issue 2 (when Renya fails to acquire Geass). Since Taniguichi is writing this manga it is official and he's definitely Word of God, so could that mean that Lelouch knows he'll get resurrected and thus killed himself off with that knowledge?

That sounds interesting but...I just checked issue 2 and didn't see anything like that. Unless it's part of a different translation or something along those lines. Still, there doesn't seem to be a scene where it would fit, at least not in that particular issue.

However, the only remotely similar reference I've seen, back in issue 1 of the new Renya manga...



...is C.C. actually saying:

"You who has removed himself from the flow of resurrection...will now live along with the horror of..."

In other words, C.C. appears to be arguing the opposite of what you've suggested: that the power of Geass removes its users from the "flow of resurrection" normal people go through (perhaps referring to reincarnation?).

Then again, I'll admit the issue could still be directly addressed at some later point in time.


Incidentally, I've already read chapter 4...and I'm actually wondering if they mean to say "Nightmare" instead of "Knightmare" in this context. Or it may be that the same term was later used to describe something completely different, but...who knows? :heh:

[lightbringer]

Some alternate version of the cycle of rebirth I guess. But that theory is ridiculous. Lelouch died without any such thoughts. Let's have him rest in peace before Sunrise decides to milk him for what he's worth again. Besides, his ancestor or w/e appeared when Renya failed his contract, so we'll see Lelouch's archetype back in action soon enough I bet.

[GundamFan0083]

Cross-posting this in the relevant thread.



That sounds interesting but...I just checked issue 2 and didn't see anything like that. Unless it's part of a different translation or something along those lines. Still, there doesn't seem to be a scene where it would fit, at least not in that particular issue.

However, the only remotely similar reference I've seen, back in issue 1 of the new Renya manga...



...is C.C. actually saying:

"You who has removed himself from the flow of resurrection...will now live along with the horror of..."

In other words, C.C. appears to be arguing the opposite of what you've suggested: that the power of Geass removes its users from the "flow of resurrection" normal people go through (perhaps referring to reincarnation?).

Then again, I'll admit the issue could still be directly addressed at some later point in time.


Incidentally, I've already read chapter 4...and I'm actually wondering if they mean to say "Nightmare" instead of "Knightmare" in this context. Or it may be that the same term was later used to describe something completely different, but...who knows? :heh:

I was referring to CC's quote, and I agree that this issue may be addressed later on in the manga, which is all I was trying to ask (not say).
Actually I'll bet the Kanji is for "Rebirth/reincarnation" rather than "Resurrection."
I haven't seen the original Japanese so I don't know which it should be.

I also concur with you on the "Nightmare" verses "KnightMare" in so far as issue four is concerned. That would certainly make more sense, and as you said, it may be that the Britannian "mobile suits" were later named Knightmares due to this kind of creature.
I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Some alternate version of the cycle of rebirth I guess. But that theory is ridiculous. Lelouch died without any such thoughts. Let's have him rest in peace before Sunrise decides to milk him for what he's worth again. Besides, his ancestor or w/e appeared when Renya failed his contract, so we'll see Lelouch's archetype back in action soon enough I bet.

Aw c'mon that was a bit harsh don't you think?
We don't know what Lelouch knew or didn't know before he died, which is why I asked a question and did not offer up a theory.
Only Okouchi and Taniguichi know what Lelouch was thinking which is why I asked for everybody's opinion about it.
I see some parallels between this manga and the anime Otogi Zoshi in so far as having characters who are similar in an medieval period to those in a modern era(like Gino's ancester, behaving similar to Gino).
It goes along with the Shinto belief in reincarnation (http://www.litesofheaven.com/shinto.html), which is one of the major religions in Japan.
The mention of resurrection (I assume the word used here is saisei which in Japanese Kanji can sometimes be synonymous with rebirth (http://www.kanjisymbol.net/mean/rebirth.html)and can sometimes mean reincarnation (http://www.eudict.com/?lang=engjpk&word=rebirth%2C+reincarnation&go=Search)) by CC leads me to wonder if this is the first glimpse of a retcon by Sunrise.
As you said above, Lelouch may come back if Sunrise sees money in it, and I agree with you that he's dead as a doorknob for now.

[FoxxFireArt]

Have there been any magazine ads for Renya of Darkness that show the friends of Renya and their names in Japanese?

I made a profiles for them over on Anime Vice, but I want to add in their names in Japanese.

[lightbringer]

Check the first post of this thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=89139) for the Japanese names.

[TrueElements]

Check the first post of this thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=89139) for the Japanese names.

apparently that img broke.... hmmmm

heres the list again.

登場人物
The Characters

連夜
主人公。　剣術、学問、馬とまるで駄目だが実戦には強い。　特大のクナイをブーメランのように 投げるのが得 意
Renya
Main character. Sucks when it comes to sword-fighting, studying, and horses, but is strong in actual combat. Throwing specialized kunai as boomerangs is his specialty.

カルラ
連夜の仲間。　頭が良いが教え方に問題がある　（刀で取り囲んだ状態で三日三晩休み食事なし等 ）
Karura
Renya’s friend/comrade. Is smart but her methods of teaching are problematic. (To surround a person with swords for three days and nights while they rest and eat and so forth.)

アンジ
連夜の仲間。　連夜を若と呼ぶ。　連夜とは子供の頃からの仲
Anji
Renya’s friend/comrade. Calls Renya a kid (Uncertain). Their friendship goes back to their childhood.

美鈴
連夜の仲間。
Misuzu (Most probable spelling, not definite. Others: Misato, Mirin, Mirei, Meirin)
Renya’s friend/comrade.

(Cannot find kanji.)
連夜の仲間。
Unknown name
Renya’s friend/comrade.

ツワブキ
連夜の仲間。
Tsuwabuki
Renya’s friend/comrade.

師範
連夜たちの師
Instructor (spelled as Shihan)
Renya’s and everyone teacher

皇一心
里を襲撃した敵の大将。　強い敵を見つけると自分の身体に傷を付けてその存在を心に残してから 倒すハードＭ
Emperor Isshin? (Tentative name)
Leader of the enemy which attacked Renya’s village. When he sees a strong enemy and his body gets wounded, he becomes a hard masochist which gives up his rational mind in order to defeat /kill (Uncertain).

一心の軍勢と行動を共にする伴天連（外国人）。　連夜に力を与えるが…。
Foreigners who serves as Isshin’s army, and who seeks to spread Christianity. They give Renya a certain power…

連夜の背後に浮かんだ人物。
A character that appears in Renya’s background (Uncertain, could also means he is behind the scenes or something.)

桜の爆ぜ石
爆発する
Exploding Stone of Cherry Blossoms (In other words, Sakuradite)
Explodes.

dont have the matching imgs sorry

[darthfury78]

have they released Chapter 6 yet?

[SonOfHeaven]

Chapter five is out. The plot finally seems to be moving. The Lelouch look-a-like showed up at the end. I suppose C.C and himself are working against one another. The knightmare apparently is working for the Lelouch look-a-like.

Still have to wait on Renya. At this point Weinberg is more interesting as a character than Renya. Hopefully there be someone like Kallen in the future in terms of fighting skills.

[Sol Falling]

So, the person who interfered with Renya's Geass contract and instead made what C.C. gave him a curse seems to be the Lelouch lookalike.

[GundamFan0083]

Chapter five is out. The plot finally seems to be moving. The Lelouch look-a-like showed up at the end. I suppose C.C and himself are working against one another. The knightmare apparently is working for the Lelouch look-a-like.

Still have to wait on Renya. At this point Weinberg is more interesting as a character than Renya. Hopefully there be someone like Kallen in the future in terms of fighting skills.

Thanks for the update.

Checked out Chapter 5, and I must say the Knightmare (Mesh) is certainly an intriguing character.

Although I'm curious;

Is Mesh supposed to be alive or a resurrected dead person?

[Syaoran-sama]

Chapter 6 general spoilers.

On the 6th chapter, we have a parent of Sumeragi Isshin appearing nude on the first pages swearing revenge on his rival, Renya: a girl named Sumeragi Futaba. She's observing Renya and the others and ordered his minions to surround all of them and put an end on all of this "before Tokugawa makes its move".

Meanwhile, Alto talks about the "lack of motivations" Renya has to fight while mocking him and the others (with C.C.). Renya promptly admits this fault and then throws the responsability of everyone's death on Alto's shoulders, for which he excuses himself and bows down on the floor. Then, running from a swine and shouting for help, appears Futaba and her servant. Renya uses his power to take the animal down and Futaba recognizes it as an "Ayakashi's Power".

The chapter ends with Renya taking a glance on a knocked down Futaba.

Futaba thinks: "This is Renya... Isn't he a monster...?
Renya: "Huh? What's up...?"

[rinichan]

when is chapter 6 gonna be out?

[Syaoran-sama]

Chapter 7 general spoilers.

Splash quote: Renya, the enemy of Isshin-sama! I'm going to take your life!!

Teaser: What will Renya, who saved Futaba, do now...!?

Renya turns back and gives his cloak to Futaba, who notices her breasts totally exposed. She screams so loud that her servants on the mobile shrine hear her. It's revealed by C.C. that Futaba is actually Sumeragi Isshin's younger sister. She says that she wants revenge for her dead brother, but Renya has no intention to fight a woman.

Futaba steals Angie's sword and tries to go after Renya, but is parried by Misuzu, who asks if she has no gratitude at all for who saved her. She tries to deflect Misuzu with a kick, but it's blocked by Shiori, who joins the fight suddenly. The battle goes on and Futaba's front is yet again exposed, which renders a mockery by Misuzu. Futaba somehow manages to take off Misuzu's shirt in response, and both of them keeping brawling with kicks being watched by Angie and Renya, who are confused and don't know how to intervene.

Meanwhile, Alto questions the boy who was with Futaba (and was dressed like her servant) about his conection with the whole affair. Flashback: he was throwed out by the swine and Futaba tried to confront it - but failed. C.C. says he's an idiot on her own special way. (笑) Alto asks what C.C. did with Renya, and she tells that she was merely accompanying Sumeragi Isshin's actions and, when she tried to make the contract, she was surprised by a nasty trick left by "a certain someone" that wants to be searched by her.

Renya leaves Angie taking care of the girls' fight and asks for the boys' name. He says that he's named Denshichirou and is from a village where a Tengu appeared. Futaba's reinforcement arrives and she goes out with a flashbang, swearing to take her revenge on Renya on the next time they meet even if he affords this so-called "Tengu" power.

Denshichirou stays with the group. He says that he doesn't know if that thing is a real Tengu, but it was called like that by the people of his village because it could fly freely through the air. C.C. and Alto promptly recognize it as "Messhu The Mesh". Alto notices that the Britannian camp was somewhere else and C.C. ponders about the possibility of having to wait to get out of the country. Denshichirou begs for their help and Renya asks him to guide them to where Messhu is.

The scene changes. An empty village with dead people holding swords and blood on the soil. Then, Carla is shown inconscious on the wood floor of a house, while Messhu meditates on the outside, awake. (Maybe he's recharging his energies?) Messhu says that if the natives want to go where he is now he'll utterly destroy them.

The chapter ends with Renya looking thoughtfully on a cliff with 3 big kunais on his belt, thinking about his need to go forward to find his own reasons to live.

Teaser: Anyway, before that...

About chapter 6, 7 and so on, you should ask an ETA for CxC Scans on their site. They are the ones doing the scanlations on english.

[Bonzo]

Renya chapter 7 is out and...

Well, japan mangakas always very skilled to mute a story in a idiocy.

[lightbringer]

They recycle character designs like there's no tomorrow, with the pretense that they're all "ancestors" of the TV series cast. And Renya is a rather annoying generic teenage brat. Honestly, after seven chapters, I see no other reason to read this except for the fact that it's in the Code Geass continuity.

[SonOfHeaven]

They recycle character designs like there's no tomorrow, with the pretense that they're all "ancestors" of the TV series cast. And Renya is a rather annoying generic teenage brat. Honestly, after seven chapters, I see no other reason to read this except for the fact that it's in the Code Geass continuity.

I've lost much interest in the manga after every chapter so far. It just isn't that good in my opinion. Like I said before, Renya isn't that interesting of a character right now.

[Xander]

Well, it's just like what we've already discussed.

If this was adapted into an anime, chapter 7 would be around episode 3 or 4. Not too slow for a ridiculously long shounen fighting series but definitely slow for either season of Code Geass (whatever else you might say, they both had better introductions).

The manga is squarely aimed at teenagers and down, not teenagers and up. That's why we get fairly predictable superpowered martial arts fights and, by and large, a lot of ground that's already been covered by Naruto or Bleach instead of the things that made the property truly interesting to begin with. I'm still hoping the Code Geass Gaiden team ran off with all the good ideas though. :heh:

It's not objectively bad but simply very mediocre and currently lacking any pretense other than providing your standard action adventure. In that sense, Taniguchi was open about his intentions of making Renya's story "more shounen" than anything else...but, naturally, that doesn't have to mean people will necessarily enjoy it.

As previously said, Weinberg's a better character than Gino because he's at least entertaining...but Futaba apparently lacks Kaguya's interest in politics and replaces it with fanservice and a lot of kicks. Her "descendant" did have that childish crush on Lelouch/Zero but...it wasn't more than an occasional joke (and a very ironic one when she briefly showed up near the end of S1 and Lelouch rejected her). With Futaba, I'm not so sure if there's anything more to her character.

C.C.'s still cynical and mysterious, as you'd expect, but the rest of the cast is absolutely average, with Renya being barely fleshed out a little bit here and there while everyone else seems to remain static and the goal (rescuing Carla/Claire) is simultaneously so close and yet so far.

You can still see some vague hints of something better further down the road...C.C. herself has been a real tease during the last couple of chapters and Renya's power could end up causing him more problems than the easy ride we've seen so far. But, once again, this isn't exactly a good chapter by chapter read. The pacing's far too slow for a monthly release and it'll probably be another volume or two before things get real. Hopefully I'm being pessimistic.

Ironically, R2 may have suffered from trying to do too much too quickly thanks to the whole time slot debacle...but Renya suffers from not doing enough and having a glacial pace thanks to the release schedule. R2 still dealt with interesting ideas, even if it did so poorly, but Renya deals with uninteresting elements even if it's following a more rational and less rushed form of storytelling. You could say Taniguchi may know how to direct but Okouchi was the writer for a good reason.

[saya_leviathan]

For those who are wondering what's the status on Renya of the Darkness, here's some:
Code Geass Manga Artist Plans to Sue Blogger (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-03-30/code-geass-manga-artist-plans-to-sue-blogger)
Manga artist Tomomasa Takuma reported on Twitter on Monday that he talked with the publisher Kadokawa Shoten and a lawyer about a lawsuit against a blogger who criticized Takuma and Goro Taniguchi's Code Geass: Shikkoku no Renya manga.

Taniguchi, the director and story co-creator of the original Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion television anime series, created the manga spinoff's story concepts and is scripting the story. The manga is set in the same official Code Geass history as the anime, but in Japan's historical Edo era. The story begins when Renya, a 17-year-old boy with a mechanical left arm and shuriken-throwing skills, encounters a mysterious, perpetually young woman named "Reifū C.C."

The "Code Geass: Shikkoku no Renya no Tōyō to Settei Machigai ni Tsukkomu Blog" wrote several complaints about the Code Geass: Shikkoku no Renya manga. The most significant complaint that the blog makes is that the manga plagiarized Yagyū Reppūken Renya, a historical manga that Takashi Noguchi serialized in Shueisha's Weekly Shonen Jump magazine in 1992.

The Code Geass: Shikkoku no Renya manga is currently on hiatus, but Takuma said that the hiatus is unrelated to the blog. Takuma said that the hiatus is due to a private matter with his staff, so he can not disclose the reason.

On Tuesday, Takuma reported that he made arrangements and completed the paperwork with the lawyer for legal action. As of early Wednesday, he added that he will stop using Twitter for an indefinite period.

Besides Code Geass: Shikkoku no Renya, Takuma also drew the Code Geass: Nightmare of Nunnally and Kurogane Communication manga. He launched Code Geass: Shikkoku no Renya in Kadokawa Shoten's Weekly Shōnen Ace magazine.

[GundamFan0083]

Oh, looks like saya_leviathan beat me to it.
That's the legal battle I was talking about Lost Cause.

[Xander]

Oh, looks like saya_leviathan beat me to it.
That's the legal battle I was talking about Lost Cause.

It's a pretty one-sided legal battle though, as far as we know, with Tomomasa Takuma being the one to sue a nameless person who apparently was more annoying than your average Internet troll, because he/she decided to practically harass him over even the most generic and superficial similarities. It's my understanding this issue wasn't limited to publishing a random blog post.

By this point in time, there's only so many ways you can draw an action sequence in a shounen manga featuring glorified ninjas, samurais and superpowered beings without intentionally or unintentionally reminding people of something someone else has already done. Context and whether the actual art was copied or traced, which doesn't seem to be the case at all, is what's actually important. I doubt anyone has a copyright over "grabbing someone by the neck" or "falling into the ground in a specific pose after being hit" and other common sequences or panel arrangements in a fighting manga.

If there's any serious resemblance to the story of "Yagyū Reppūken Renya" though, on a level that goes way beyond the above or the general events of the historical Edo period, then things might be different. Haven't seen any evidence yet, mind you, and the nameless blogger in question apparently used images from half a dozen unrelated manga instead of just that one.

But I would be far more worried if this was a battle between two different creators or companies instead of "manga artist vs. nameless person" because, once again, there has been no further news about the subject. Still, who knows what'll happen?

Ah well...didn't think I'd end up defending the Renya manga, in a way, but I guess it's a matter of principle.

In fact, that reminds me of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibPCLMH1NM4) video where you can see a compilation of all the repetitive elements in anime OPs. :heh:

[darthfury78]

Well, it's just like what we've already discussed.

Ironically, R2 may have suffered from trying to do too much too quickly thanks to the whole time slot debacle...but Renya suffers from not doing enough and having a glacial pace thanks to the release schedule. R2 still dealt with interesting ideas, even if it did so poorly, but Renya deals with uninteresting elements even if it's following a more rational and less rushed form of storytelling. You could say Taniguchi may know how to direct but Okouchi was the writer for a good reason.

Hi Xander,
Code Geass R2 will always be the stepchild of Season One. After reviewing both seasons, I came to the conclusion that Season Two is a repeat of Season One's plotline, aside from the ending. It's too bad that the original script was tossed into the garbage because of the timeslot change. It might have been the best season of all, since that version might have been a progression of the storyline, instead of the regression that we got.

As for the Manga, I haven't read it because it seems like a long introduction of the character. I'll wait for the good chapters to arrive.

[GundamFan0083]

It's a pretty one-sided legal battle though, as far as we know, with Tomomasa Takuma being the one to sue a nameless person who apparently was more annoying than your average Internet troll, because he/she decided to practically harass him over even the most generic and superficial similarities. It's my understanding this issue wasn't limited to publishing a random blog post.

By this point in time, there's only so many ways you can draw an action sequence in a shounen manga featuring glorified ninjas, samurais and superpowered beings without intentionally or unintentionally reminding people of something someone else has already done. Context and whether the actual art was copied or traced, which doesn't seem to be the case at all, is what's actually important. I doubt anyone has a copyright over "grabbing someone by the neck" or "falling into the ground in a specific pose after being hit" and other common sequences or panel arrangements in a fighting manga.

If there's any serious resemblance to the story of "Yagyū Reppūken Renya" though, on a level that goes way beyond the above or the general events of the historical Edo period, then things might be different. Haven't seen any evidence yet, mind you, and the nameless blogger in question apparently used images from half a dozen unrelated manga instead of just that one.

But I would be far more worried if this was a battle between two different creators or companies instead of "manga artist vs. nameless person" because, once again, there has been no further news about the subject. Still, who knows what'll happen?

Ah well...didn't think I'd end up defending the Renya manga, in a way, but I guess it's a matter of principle.

In fact, that reminds me of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibPCLMH1NM4) video where you can see a compilation of all the repetitive elements in anime OPs. :heh:


Wow, I haven't really been following this legal challenge.
But as you say, if there is more than just a passing resemblance then this could get rather interesting.

[Nobodyman9]

For those who are wondering what's the status on Renya of the Darkness, here's some:
Code Geass Manga Artist Plans to Sue Blogger (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-03-30/code-geass-manga-artist-plans-to-sue-blogger)
Wow. This Takuma guy sounds like a massive pussy.

[stardrago]

Hey, didn't CxC already posted chapter 8 already?

[saya_leviathan]

New Code Geass Manga Reimagines Lead as Convenience Store Clerk (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-05-14/new-code-geass-manga-reimagines-lead-as-convenience-store-clerk)

The second issue of Kadokawa Shoten's 4-Koma Nano Ace magazine shipped on Monday with the first installment of Barcode Geass: Hanbai no Lelouch (Barcode Geass: Lelouch of the Sale), Nao Katō's new four-panel spinoff manga based on the Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion television anime series. The manga re-imagines the anime's title character Lelouch Lamperouge as a part-time convenience store worker. Code Geass script supervisor Ichiro Okouchi and director Goro Taniguchi are credited with the original story.

Convenience store worker?:heh:

[konart]

New Code Geass Manga Reimagines Lead as Convenience Store Clerk (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-05-14/new-code-geass-manga-reimagines-lead-as-convenience-store-clerk)



Convenience store worker?:heh:

why not? :heh:

http://i.imgur.com/gbkV5l.jpg

[Roloko vi Britannia]

Rolo is going to use his geass to steal I just know it xD

[H-Kanan]

New Code Geass Manga Reimagines Lead as Convenience Store Clerk (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-05-14/new-code-geass-manga-reimagines-lead-as-convenience-store-clerk)



Convenience store worker?:heh:

Yeah! He is!
http://jamjamberryberry.up.seesaa.net/image/20110509225150aad.jpg


It says...


Here is convenience store, ‘Zenbu Eleven’.*
His name is Lelouch Lamperouge, working earnestly as a part time employee.
But… The most of all customers of this convenience store are gone to the supermarket named ‘Britannia’ which is recently open and… He is boring.
“Shit, Brit!”
“Hmm? The main article is “Code geass; Lelouch of the Rebellion”? It sounds interesting…”

*Japanese pronunciation of 'Zenbu' is similar to 'Seven', so it is a metaphor for 'Seven-Eleven'.
'Zenbu' itself means 'All' FYI :)

[H-Kanan]

Shikkoku no renya 2

http://www.kadokawa.co.jp/cover_b/201009/201009000528.jpg

[Syaoran-sama]

Got some scans in chinese. Didn't get a translation or someone who would translate, so I'm going to sum 'em up.

Dunno if anyone still cares for the series or no, but I sure wanted to know chinese right now...

Chapter 9:
Chapter cover: Messhu, 26 pages.

- Messhu keeps fighting with Renya and Alto Weinberg, and then retreats because Carla was missing;
- Then the scenary changes. A misteryous english speaking black man (which seems like an acquaintaince of Messhu) appears and talks with two people who seem to be associated with feudal lords, asking "if they don't think that the night sea is lovely;
- Carla meets Renya, hugging him tightly. ♥♥♥ Alto makes reverence to his so-called "Claire-sama". The group talk for a while;
- Carla sees a HUGE TORNADO: Messhu was taking revenge on the soldiers that let Carla escape and on the village. Denshichirou confronts him with a japanese sword;
- Renya appears with four long-knifes on a strange dispositive that is located on his right shoulder. He takes on of them and throws against Messhu's wind gust. He then throws the other two to create a distraction and appears above Messhu, knocking him.
- Messhu's flight makes him not hit the ground with such strength. He and Renya face eachother.

Chapter 10:
Chapter cover: none, 30 pages. (Probably end of volume 2)

- While Renya is facing Messhu, everyone stayed behind. They talk about how dangerous it was to face such an enemy alone;
- Renya flies through Messhu's wind gusts and is knocked back. He then tries to use THE ARM on him, but another wind gust hits the palm of his hand;
- C.C. talks how previous targets of THE ARM died. Meanwhile, on the battle field, Renya absorbs the wind gust. Messhu notices and steps back. They throw wind gusts and knifes at eachother as C.C. still talks with the rest of the group...;
- Messhu's knocks Renya, who is bleeding quite much. When he was preparing a concentrated attack, Renya throws A HUGE TRUNK (!!!) at him. The trunk falls above Messhu's head.
- Messhu's got tired of this shit and throws a wind blast at Renya. The blast hits another huge trunk that falls in front of Renya. It was cutted down by Alto, who just arrived at the scene. He appears with a sword with... BULLETS!?!? (What the hell man);
- Messhu starts doing a huge tornado around him. Alto promptly does an attack called "DOUBLE PANIC SMASHER" on the ground and it slices the tornado in two.
- Renya flies above Messhu and throws the four knifes at his four wind holes: on the shoulders and above his knees;
- He uses THE ARM: "Kourin - Danzai Rekkashou" (Something among the lines of "Descent - Convicting Palm of the Raging Fire"). Was that even a technique...? Oh, whatever;
- The "acquaintaince" of Messhu senses his partner's death.
- Messhu's dead on the floor, desfigurated, with smokes coming out of him. Not much of his body is showed, though;
- The group reunites, everyone is happy... Except for C.C., who stands on a cliff alone and looks gloomy and ominous.

Chapter 11:
Chapter cover: Alto, 26 pages. (Probably start of volume 3)

- The girl's are having a peaceful time on the bath chit-chating. They're without ANY clothes on (No shit, Sherlock?), AKA fanservice;
- Renya tells something to them at distance, but Alto thinks he wants to spy on the girls and draws a sword on his throat.
- Angie, Alto and Renya are carrying rocks and wood. They're building a dam(?);
- A huge explosion of water occurs. They look back on the girls direction.
- The black guy from before emerges from the water and seems to be controlling it, making it rain. (OH I GET IT THE OLD FOUR ELEMENT ENEMIES CLICHÉ, HUH?). The girls put their hands over their breasts to cover them. He's wearing the same strange symbol as Messhu (the nightmare symbol?);
- Somewhere on Britannia... 3 sinister looking individuals with strange symbols (the nightmare symbols) on their hats are seem talking. Lelou-cover is reading a book called "Dead Sea Scrolls" and they seem to be talking about C.C. (she's even shown with the nun outfit on a flashback!);
- Back to action. Remember those guys associated with the feudal lords? They're shown inside a bubble floating in the sky. They are crushed inside the bubble as soon as the black man closes his hands;
- A new bubble is formed... with all the naked girls inside of it, including C.C. and they seem like fighting to not drown;
- The black guy looks down on Angie, Renya and Alto. He smirks.

When chapter 12 is out, I'll sum it up as well. I won't post the link to the scans here because I'm unsure if it's against the rules.

[lightbringer]

It's a sad day for Code Geass when even the Barcode spinoff looks more interesting than Renya's story...

Thanks for posting the summaries. You definitely shouldn't provide links in here.

[Bonzo]

Instead, I don't know if this can be the right section, but the first manga real code geass clone is born:

http://www.tenmangas.com/chapter/BigOrder1/253532/

Name "big order" it take more and too much idea from CG, no robots, but is a real imitation.

[GundamFan0083]

Question:

Is Code Geass: Renya of the Dark cancelled/discontinued?

I ask, because I haven't seen anything new for it in months, and there hasn't been any new information about it.

I was enjoying it, which is why I ask if anyone has heard anything new.

[Xander]

As far as I know, the monthly Japanese publication of the Renya manga is still ongoing and they've already released all of volume four on its own. The most recent chapters would be part of future volumes five or six.

Last time I checked, current English translations have been gradually picking up and they're almost done with volume three or so. If you haven't read up on those lately, you might be interested in finding them.

[Destined_Fate]

Renya is still ongoing, huh? I wanted to get into it but the Lelouch lookalike turned me off. Still have bad memories of when R2 ended, throwing out a fake Lelouch isn't going to make things better.

New Code Geass Manga Reimagines Lead as Convenience Store Clerk (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-05-14/new-code-geass-manga-reimagines-lead-as-convenience-store-clerk)



Convenience store worker?:heh:

Ohgi being there ruins it, does anyone even like that incompetent fool anymore? Poor Kallen, they're shipping her again with Lelouch and it's doubtful that this will end any differently. Even in Suzaku of the Counterattack(Or whatever it's called) she doesn't get with Lelouch despite things ending differently for Lelouch. Do they enjoy torturing Kallen or something?:rolleyes: Don't even get me started on poor C.C. who doesn't even get a proper send off like she did in R2.

Whatever the case I'm sure they'll have Suzaku defect to the other store and they'll clash. Suzaku will be like "I'm abandoning the store my father loved because it's better for everyone to just submit.". Than epic mope duels between Kallen and Suzaku when Suzaku tries to stop Lelouch from taking out the store "Britannia". Kallen will than be blackmailed to meet the guys at Britannia and they'll try and force her to quit and put her moping skills to better use at their store. Lelouch will than appear and save her as promised since she was only blackmailed because of him.

[GundamFan0083]

As far as I know, the monthly Japanese publication of the Renya manga is still ongoing and they've already released all of volume four on its own. The most recent chapters would be part of future volumes five or six.

Last time I checked, current English translations have been gradually picking up and they're almost done with volume three or so. If you haven't read up on those lately, you might be interested in finding them.

Thank you Xander.
I found it online and read the English adaptation up to Chapter 16 (Karim's Dream).

Very interesting developments in this so called official portion of the Code Geass timeline.

Dash and Lelouch are one and the same somehow, as CC points out in Chapter 15 (Journey with the Witch). She makes it crystal clear that she and Dash/Lelouch are required to keep the world in balance. That would make sence since CC says upon seing young Lelouch in S1 or the anime "I've finally found you" upon seeing Lelouch with Suzaku and Nunnally. CC also says that she gave "Geass" its name, so what it's actually called is unknown. Thus far I'm enjoying how this story is developing. There is certainly more than just a simple CC x Lelouch/Dash vein in it. They haven't explained it just yet, but somehow CC and Dash/Lelouch are necessary for the world to be "unlocked" whatever that means.

[Xander]

asfsdfasdfs
Dash and Lelouch are one and the same somehow, as CC points out in Chapter 15 (Journey with the Witch).

After checking that chapter, I think this isn't necessarily the case.


What makes you think Lelouch and Dash are the same person? They look similar, of course, and he is probably Lelouch's ancestor (which may potentially tie in to the part you referenced from S1), but that doesn't mean they are supposed to be the same character in the end.

[GundamFan0083]

After checking that chapter, I think this isn't necessarily the case.


What makes you think Lelouch and Dash are the same person? They look similar, of course, and he is probably Lelouch's ancestor (which may potentially tie in to the part you referenced from S1), but that doesn't mean they are supposed to be the same character in the end.

Because:

CC's comments about Dash being essential (with her) for the balance of the world. Also, minus the cape, this is an Ashford school uniform:

http://mangabreaker.net/wp-content/manga/8914/s1h2xliorua0by9w/p_00004.jpg

I think what Renya of the Dark is saying as a story is that reincarnation plays a large role in the Code Geass universe. The same souls are continuously being recycled through time in order for time itself to continue.
This is also what is hinted at in R2 in the C's World episode when Charles tries to stop time and Lelouch continues it. Marianne tells Suzaku he can be with Euphie. That would imply either they all get killed and go to Geass-Heaven together (a la NGE) or death itself will end by slaying "god" with the Sword of Akasha. Thus stopping the endless cycle of reincarnation and allowing Suzaku to be with Euphemia once more.

Using what we know from the anime as a guide, it is safe to assume that Dash, Weinberg, Renya, the Kaguya clone (forgot her name), and the others are not just ancestors of the anime characters, but literally the anime characters in a previous life. Very much along the same lines as Otogi Zoshi.

[Xander]

I see. When you put it that way, the idea makes more sense.

I'd still like to see some sort of confirmation in due time though.

[Destined_Fate]

Ancestor doesn't make them the same and it's doubtful any reincarnation business happened since C.C. would know.

[GundamFan0083]

I see. When you put it that way, the idea makes more sense.

I'd still like to see some sort of confirmation in due time though.

I agree we'll have to wait and see if the story pans out that way as the manga progresses.

However, I think what CC says in episode 1 of S1 gives the best hint.

At 1:43 seconds into this clip (Japanese with English sub) CC says clearly "I've found you."

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Why?

I understand there are many possibilities/answers to that question.
Originially I would say it only meant CC was looking for him for Charles/Marianne's plan.
However, if we add the new information from Renya (since it is the official history of the anime) then we now have new possibilities why CC says this.
One such reason may be because she is looking for the reincarnation of Dash, and suspects its Lelouch.

[rinichan]

although the art is awful, I think the manga RENYA is one of the keys, if we want to learn more about Geass...

The manga chapter also says CC is just learning everything about it (Code) that means, from that point in time CC just got her code from the NUN. The Nun might be a Jesuit, the mere reason why CC is traveling with them... To look for answers...

and I'm not updated right now, have to catch up...

[Masurao45]

I just heard what happened in volume 6 of LoTR. What about 7 and 8? I heard that in 7, Tokyo got nuked as well as Nunnally coming into Area 11 as well as Kaguya betraying Zero. I wanna know the differences sooooo super BAD! I've watched the show and now's the time to review the manga ;D!

[darthfury78]

Ancestor doesn't make them the same and it's doubtful any reincarnation business happened since C.C. would know.

Otherwise, C.C. x Dash/Lelouch are destine to be together!!!

It's a sad day for Code Geass when even the Barcode spinoff looks more interesting than Renya's story...

Thanks for posting the summaries. You definitely shouldn't provide links in here.

I wonder if they will ever make Code Geass: Ashford Academy?

[Bonzo]

I read code geass renya untile chapter 19, well...is a trash manga.

Nonsense story by now, and the events are written bad, like the battle, they run away and the chapter after, one of the girl is captures, but how and when happened? nobody know....