Death Note - Spoilers & Speculation (for experienced Death Noters only!) [Archive]

xris

2006-11-15, 11:59

This thread is for the experienced Death Note viewer (i.e. those of you who are familiar with potentially all the manga), its purpose is to allow free discussion of theories and speculation over the Death Note anime series, it therefore will contain unmarked spoilers. If you are a manga virgin of Death Note, then do not read this thread unless you want to be spoiled (use the Death Note - Speculation & Theories thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=38820)).

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Shiroth

2006-11-15, 12:03

Thank you Xris~

Okay - we all know that the Death Note manga falls into the catorgy of being split into two stories. Some people believe that because of this, and being upto the end of volume 02 at episode 07, that the anime might just end when the fight major story does (volume 07). It would be nice to see what people think about that~

Itachikun

2006-11-15, 12:39

Ya. Like I said before, episode 7 = Chapters 13 & 14, there are still plenty of story left.

We still have the MisaMisa arc, the corporation arc, and the L Torture arc. Loads left, it will end with L's death, it has to

Shiroth

2006-11-15, 12:42

it will end with L's death, it has to
Yeah, at first i wasen't thinking straight.. but there's so much left to happen, and from what we've already seen, they won't be missing out anything at all.

Justice Knight

2006-11-15, 18:28

i have read the manga till 90+ chp now and still dunno y N thinks that second L is light @ chp82 if i remember correctly.Aizawa didnt even told him who being locked @ the prison so how in earth N knows its chief's son?

myopius

2006-11-15, 18:55

Good thread. Since I'm used to it, I'll keep up the trend of elaborate spoiler labels when I initiate discussion of a topic and when I respond to topics which have already been precedented to exist in spoilers.

For those who want to analyze the pacing of the series and speculate on what it will cover, I can try to keep an updated list of which episodes correspond to which chapters. Along with that, I'll repost the entire section of text I wrote for an earlier post at http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=736170&postcount=24 about this issue.

Episode 1 - Chapter 1 (which was 2x the ordinary # of pages)
Episode 2 & 3 - Chapter 2, 3, 4, 5
Episode 4 - Chapter 6, 7
Episode 5 - Chapter 8, 9, 10
Episode 6 - Chapter 11, 12
Episode 7 - Chapter 13, 14
Episode 8 - Chapter 15, 16, 17
Episode 9 - Chapter 18, 19
Episode 10 - Chapter 20, 21, 22

So it's clearly about two episodes per chapter. Usually the scene split is where one chapter ends and the next one starts. At this rate, it will end around chapter 74, which is
15 chapters after the end of the first arc, and 34 chapters before the end of the second arc (and the whole series). There are three choices: 1) they could pad it out to fit in 37 episodes, as they have clearly shown they can do, 2) perhaps just extend it and have a different end, or 3) completely trim down or abbreviate the second arc. Given that these episodes have already clearly been heavily padded, I suspect they'll just continue to trend of padding episodes; they'll be able to do it even better when more has happened that they can pad it with. Or maybe, and I don't know if this is how anime works, they will be able to extend the series before they have to plan it to end, and so they'll be able to fit in all the material.

On the subject of the anime,

As those who've read the manga know, the art style for Light changes a lot. At the start he seems to have an innocent, clean-cut appearance, and time passes with him as Kira his eyes narrow and locks of hair cross down over his face. When
Light loses his memory after forfeiting the note, he reverts to his initial appearance in terms of art, and
wins over the trust of L with his upstanding behavior, and even has much higher moral standards than L. "Even if it's to catch Kira, I can't trample on people's good will like that."
But instead of drawing that shift in appearance, the anime has pretty much just shown the evil Light's face since the beginning. That is, his eyes aren't capable of that springy, determined youth, just indifference or malice. And since this recent episode 6 with Raye's fiance,
judging from people's reactions as well as my own, It's become clear that the anime fails to accurately characterize him, in voice, face, and appearance, as someone who can be trusted.
Because of this, I anticipate that they may have difficulty establishing credibility for L's actions in allowing Light to go free. It's my personal opinion, and the opinion of a few others, that because L wanted to believe in Light due to L having come to consider Light a true friend, he chose to ignore his better judgment and allow Light to go free. Yet, somehow I don't know if those who have only watched the manga will see this, which saddens me.

Runesque

2006-11-20, 05:37

You're right, and the change in art is basically what makes seeing Light's Kira face after he regains his memory so powerful. You just KNOW there's no hope for L after that face

^_Usagi_^

2006-11-21, 08:39

it will end with L's death, it has to
no!!!!!!!! i'm a horrible Mello & matt fan ;_; id die without them. though i must say that after L deaths the level manga went down, there still were interesting moments ^-^

its chief's son?
he didint know it was light at 1st. he just suspected the SECOND L or smb among the team with him.
Later Aizawa told him about the time they brought about the Kira suspects (misa, raito) to be shot by his father. Mr jagami screamed that he will kill kira & kill HIMSELF. why the heck would he do that ? even if kira was a coworker? its obvious they were really close people. then he could just check out their info, & see light's been gone from uni or wherever for some time. but the sister is still there. etc

GUTB_

2006-11-21, 10:17

First L/FBI arc - strong
Second L arc - okay
Misa arc - weak
Amnesia/Good Light arc - terrible
Final L arc - okay
Melo arc - weak
Near arc - okay
Finale - strong

The crappy Good Light arc almost lost me -- it was so long and frankly unbelievable. And also kind of dumb considering that Light was NEVER this friend of justice good guy, even before he picked up the Note he clearly hated the world and people in general. But mostly it was just boring.

After that, the manga is fairly weak right up until the end. I only kept reading to get to the end because I knew Light was going to have an awesome death -- I was just waiting for the moment he has an insane laughing fit infront of the SPK and is outed as a maniacal madman. And in this the manga finally delivers -- Light's death sequence was the best ever; screaming, insane, and in the end, pathetic and whimpering. I loved how he started screaming for Misa and Takada to hurry up and kill them all, even when they were dead or held far away.

Edgewalker

2006-11-23, 03:43

isnt there an alternate ending for death note manga ? I dont know, I heard a rumor. I liked ch 107 but though 108 was lame and weak...

Beyond that at 37 episodes Im betting we will either get an alternative ending at the Final L arc, or they will leave it open for a second season.

Misutaki

2006-11-23, 09:35

Considering I hated the "good Light" period, I feel like if they just summarized that up into a few episodes [which they could - even though it takes out a chunk of stuff, I'm sure they could 'paraphrase' it], they might be able to fit the whole thing in 37 episodes...the only problem is it'll get really rushed towards the end.

But, I feel the best thing to do would be to have two seasons - the first season could be the first two arcs, at a good rate. Then the second season could be the whole last arc, with it spanned out more.

I don't know though. I personally wouldn't care if it just stopped at L's death, but it's all up to them.

Shiroth

2006-11-25, 16:44

Next episode (09) shall be L's appearance juring the test that Light takes. Judging from the past episodes i'm getting the feeling that the episode shall end with that, or when L appears juring the award cermony saying "I'm L". Its these kinds of scenes that are happening already that makes me believe they'll end this series with that send.. and go on to another season for the second part of the manga.

myopius

2006-12-01, 20:51

I wish I could post high-quality scans, because my image editor doesn't work under Windows for some reason. The end of episode 9, as it is in chapter 19, is just wonderful: Light leaning back in his chair, his face shadowed yet casual, commenting according to OT's translation, "I'm sure we'll get along just fine. Then I'll find everything, and send you all to hell." Man, that was beautiful. I really, really wish TW & Live-eviL would avoid Viz's translations.

Edit: Oh yes, and I forgot to mention. When
Light forfeits the note
I think they should, artistically, switch the "Next episode" narrator to L. From that point onward, it's more appropriate, IMO.

Juhachi

2006-12-02, 09:38

The crappy Good Light arc almost lost me -- it was so long and frankly unbelievable. And also kind of dumb considering that Light was NEVER this friend of justice good guy, even before he picked up the Note he clearly hated the world and people in general. But mostly it was just boring.
I felt much the same way. Chapters 36 (when Light gave himself up) between 46 (when the third Kira was revealed to be Higuchi) were the most boring parts of the entire series. I just wanted them to end so quickly yet I was reading them at least twice as slowly because they were so damn boring. :heh:

I mean, while I find it ironic that my avatar is from that arc (chapter 45), that scene where L said that just made me laugh and I had to save it for posterity. L just seemed so emo in that chapter...

Shiroth

2006-12-02, 18:26

I think they should, artistically, switch the "Next episode" narrator to L. From that point onward, it's more appropriate, IMO.
Yeah, that would make a lot more sense. It would also do a good job at shaking viewers up. Still.. its hard to see if they'll go the same way as the manga with that arc.. its a crazy part of the story, and there are many parts of it that wouldn't work out for the anime.

Papaya

2006-12-03, 20:16

Keep in mind that the L saga is itself separated into several parts.
We have...

1. The Exposition: Light receives the Death Note.
2. The Battle: Light meets with L and joins the team.
3. Yotsuba: Light forfeits his note.
4. The Ending: Light kills L.

If you try to adapt this into the full series, you realize that it makes for a very, very crappy series. Why? Because the Yotsuba guys suck. They're boring. They're stupid and lack any real character. They never reach the level of "OMG COOL" that Light and L reach. Not only that, but because their saga takes sooooooo long, you're left without the single factor that makes Death Note so compelling: the battle of wits between Light and L. Not only that, but I think it's generally accepted that L's death is fairly anticlimatic. While Light's plan was absolutely genius, the way in which L dies is just sorta... meh.

For this reason, I'm hoping that either they do a FULL faithful adaptation of the manga (I've not read past the introduction of L's successors, though hearsay tells me the second half of the story is pretty crappy), or a retooling of the storyline to minimalize the involvement of Yotsuba and shorten the amount of time Light spends without the note--because let's face it; an honest Light is a boring Light.

myopius

2006-12-08, 01:45

Episode 10 was fantastic.

Unfortunately, it confirms that Madhouse or whoever picks the content is determined to cut out every small instance that Light shows that he can sincerely care about another person. I didn't expect them to leave it in, and indeed they cut out the brief part where Light yells at L for saying he thinks Light is Kira which would upset his father. They've been keeping in the references about Light promising to send Kira to the executioner, but out of context of the instances where you see how much Light cares for/respects his father, it just seems like a recurring sike joke (to at least one person I've seen comment on it) rather than a sadly ironic lie. Edit: And another catch. According to a scanlation, L says of Light's promise to bring Kira to the electric chair if his father suffers, "No, it's way too corny to be an act" but in the anime he says something like "If it is, it's way too corny." Not sure if this is adopted from a Viz altered translation or the anime itself, but I would tend to suspect the latter. The idea being we can't have the great detective L confirming that Light isn't entirely cold-blooded. Also, as I read the scanlation of this chapter, I notice that they cut out the bit where Light profiles Kira. Oh, and now I just realized, it's because that ends in Light yelling at L for suggesting openly in front of his father that Sayu could be Kira by Light's criteria. Wow, it's like every bit they alter is to prevent the ambiguity in Light's character from coming into play, or to prevent certain parts from being interpreted as implying that. Another Edit: Oh, and they cut out the start when Sachiko is in the room and L estimates that the chance Kira will fail to kill isn't necessarily 0%. I wonder why. To tone down Light's way of bringing up the subject emotionally? Anyway, it does lend support to the theory that they're cutting down episodes to fit in just the first arc into 37 episodes, IMO.

Is it just me or have they been toning down the instances where L does cute things? If you read the manga (as you should if you read this topic) maybe you know what I mean by that... Like, his eyes seem eager, and he smiles while poking the inside of his cheek. I always noticed in the series the contrast between before L met Light when he was much more dull, to when he saw Light by camera comment that the 1500 agents coming into Japan was a fake and smiled in interest, to when he met Light and started to act more lively also. There's the idea that maybe he's become more energetic with the presence of another genius, and also the idea that he seemingly subconsciously constantly behaves is small ways which act to throw people off and render him unpredictable (and so his change in behavior is a way that he can exercise his unpredictability more freely, since he comes to be constantly in the presence of someone he needs to be offensively defensive toward). Anyway,
once Light forfeits the note, L's behavior becomes much more pronounced in that regard, as I recall. (so we'll see then)

White Manju Bun

2006-12-08, 15:25

I agree with the "good light" arc in the manga, I found that to be quite boring.

So are we to assume that the series will only involve the first story in DN? Up to where Light kills L? Or are they going to introduce Near and Mello? Course the problem with that
Is that Light becomes L and I found alot of vol 8 and 9 very boring since its alot of information

Shiroth

2006-12-09, 07:48

So are we to assume that the series will only involve the first story in DN? Up to where Light kills L? Or are they going to introduce Near and Mello? Course the problem with that
Is that Light becomes L and I found alot of vol 8 and 9 very boring since its alot of information
At the speed the story is being told, i can see then keeping it in.

So, next week we'll be getting Misa & Rem. Personally i can't wait to see Rem in the anime - it'll be interesting to see just how they'll capture her character.. and of course she'll have a female VA, though i can't imagine it. :3

White Manju Bun

2006-12-09, 14:54

Yeah seeing Rem is gonna be awesome. I hope her seiyuu fits, they did a good job with Ryuk

Shiroth

2006-12-15, 16:55

Yeah seeing Rem is gonna be awesome. I hope her seiyuu fits, they did a good job with Ryuk
If you haven't seen Rem in action yet.. then you better hurry up & do so - perfect VA for her. :3

Dragon_Ninja

2006-12-21, 22:28

I thought Rem's voice was pretty good. As far as the second arc of Death Note goes, I don't know if it will be animated, however, I can say for sure that I liked it a lot, even though most people didn't. Sure, it started out a little slow, but if you have the mind to follow it, than you'll see that it gets good again around chapter 70. I'll admit that I too hated the second arc (but only at first). I didn't like Near at first either, because he was basing his judgements purely on whim when we first saw him in action, however as the second arc progressed, so did his skills in reasoning, and logic. Believe it or not, I began to like him almost as much as L (best DN character :D )! Anyways, DN is my favorite manga, and I don't care what other people say, the second arc was pretty damn good IMO. Hell, I like the whole entire series, aside from the begginning of the second arc.

striderm

2006-12-22, 00:08

So who was the character Jealous? Sounds familiar but I just can't recollect. L's actor from the movies plays him in the anime.

the.Merines

2006-12-22, 08:39

So who was the character Jealous? Sounds familiar but I just can't recollect. L's actor from the movies plays him in the anime.

Isn't Jealous the shinigami that was killed because he broke the rules and extended the life of a human he'd fallen in love with?

piccahoe

2006-12-23, 05:13

Dragon_Ninja

2006-12-23, 14:02

Trickster Priest

2006-12-24, 05:55

myopius

2006-12-25, 00:33

I noticed that. The LMN part is pretty clear and with Kira imitating L's font at one point you also start to think in those terms, if you hadn't already.

piccahoe

2006-12-25, 02:45

hmm I rewatched the second episode and I notice that "kira" means killer in japanese so I'm guessing the message is "Killer light mellow near"...does that meake sense?

myopius

2007-01-25, 11:26

Not really, I'd say...

It seems like DN is definitely lower in popularity than it used to be. Probably because episodes like #12 bored readers with too much intrigue and too little people getting hit by moving vehicles. Now that we're at the end of episode 15, where Light has just uttered the line, "Say goodbye, Ryuk", this is the perfect time for a new OP to capture the major plot changes that begin to occur, and all the new characters (including Light himself). Yeah, too bad it's probably not going to happen... yeah... :( This is where the series becomes most intriguing, in my opinion, since you're left wondering what's going on with Light....

Zu Ra

2007-01-25, 22:22

Did L guess Misa and Yagami were in cahoots ? I think L coming to visit Yagami in Todai had a reason to establish a connection between Kira 1 and Kira 2 . He made it seem arbitrary

Shiroth

2007-01-30, 14:45

Dagger

2007-01-30, 15:02

Man, sure seems fast-moving in comparison to the manga. But that's definitely a positive point IMO.

cyw1988

2007-01-30, 21:44

Episode 20's episode title is "Successor" - so i'm pretty much guessing that'll be where Near/Mello appear. Still, its hard to believe this series shall be 37 episodes at the speed its running.

Also, it looks like it'll be episode 17/18 shall be the end of L. That'll be epic to see..

Major Spoilers ahead... Warning

I reckon thats the part where rem passes the book to Hatori. IMO the anime should end when L dies or maybe they may pull a movie ending on us

Andu

2007-01-31, 00:22

Episode 20's episode title is "Successor" - so i'm pretty much guessing that'll be where Near/Mello appear. Still, its hard to believe this series shall be 37 episodes at the speed its running.

Also, it looks like it'll be episode 17/18 shall be the end of L. That'll be epic to see..

Right now the anime is at the capture of Misa with episode 15, right ?
That means they have to fit chapters 34(beginning of Light's imprisonment)-57(the death of L) in 2 or 3 episodes, which is highly unlikely...

Shiroth

2007-01-31, 09:13

You have to keep in mind that episode 19's title is "Matsuda". This is probably when he pretends to be Misa's manager, and him finding out more about the Yotsuba group.

myopius

2007-01-31, 16:39

Hmm, any episode called "Matsuda" promises to be a pretty win episode... "Successor" as an episode title could refer to just the Yotsuba guy in general, though. I mean, there probably is a focus on him around there, since that should be about when Misa talks to him in the car, and when Misa's told by Rem that he's the successor. Or who knows, maybe Successor is Near, L dies in 18, 19 is a Matsuda filler episode where he runs around the city doing goofy things like helping cats get down from trees a la Buttons & Mindy. !

This last episode #16 was the most crucial yet I think, and fortunately they pulled it off well. Not perfectly but really well. What I mean is the moment that Light forfeits the note, how he's characterized. The sideways-from-below shot of Light's face was badly drawn, but all the front views of Light's born-again face were excellent. His voice acting was also very excellent, especially the line right after he forfeited it. And the bit where they zoom in close to see his pupils and he asks if these are the eyes of a liar, that was beautiful.

(The main complaint I have with #16 is that so much of it is random filler bits, and that they changed it so Light didn't say that he planned to volunteer himself to be in confinement.)

This is the best part of the series IMO (after the initial bit up to Naomi's death) though it will confuse (and I've noticed it already has confused some) first-time viewers who don't realize that for the first time, the viewer isn't told everything that Light's planning. Which does kinda make me worried about spoilers in the episode topics (not major spoilers, just subtle yet important spoilers that I would feel like a bastard for getting someone banned by reporting on). We finally get to see the other side of Light, the side most people forgot about. For a while, we (the viewer) are the only people who know that Light was Kira, that he forfeited the note and lost his memories, etc., and we just have to watch Light & L act not knowing any of the details we do. It's unique, and I love it.

Andu

2007-02-01, 14:05

I take it back. After seeing ep 16 and finding out that ep 19 is called "Matsuda" (which probably will show us how he spies on Yotsuba), ep 20 can probably conclude things with L and introduce Near&Mello.
A little speedy for me though, i kinda prefer the manga. At this pace, they might even be able to conclude this story with 37 episodes...

bkg9990

2007-02-01, 14:20

just watched episode 16, I must say its too short for the whole manga..

episode 17 will be the "Joyride with daddy Yagami and Misa xD

L is not even dead yet =/, im guessing for a 2nd season

Andu

2007-02-02, 00:42

If they are going for a second season, they will probably end the first one with L's death.
Theres no way i could imagine them stretching it that long. Seeing that they have 21 episodes and 21 chapters to go ...
They will definately not make an episode per chapter, that's for sure...

Airi

2007-02-25, 17:01

Will L die in episode 20???!!! No!!! please tell me it's not true!!!I beg you!!!!

Storm-and-Fire

2007-02-26, 12:46

Will L die in episode 20???!!! No!!! please tell me it's not true!!!I beg you!!!!

Yes. L dies. And if the adaptation is faithful to the manga, then it's gonna be really soon.

Airi

2007-02-26, 15:00

Will he die in the episode 20??!!!!100%????

NaOH

2007-03-03, 01:17

well if they want to cover the entire manga L better die or they re gonna run outta time (episodes) to cover the rest of the story! (2nd part was hinted in the OP?)

Kinny Riddle

2007-03-04, 03:54

Some interesting observation concerning the Yotsuba-Kira. I mentioned this in the episode thread, but I'll post it here again.

Even though this is the experienced Death Noters thread, I'll put his identity in a spoiler tag just to be safe.

OK, for those who're here, we all know it's Higuchi. Watching the last few episodes again, I noticed an interesting trend. It seems author Ohba Tsugumi had deliberately left enough hints for the reader to guess that it's Higuchi all along.

In every Yotsuba board meeting, it's always Higuchi that actively suggests having whoever they want dead killed. The other board members simply went along with his suggestions and even made improvements to it.

One example is after Matsuda got busted, while two of the board members go to interrogate Matsuda and the other board members discuss what to do with him, it was Higuchi who first suggested having him killed.

In the same episode later on, one of the board members flips out and wants out of this Killing Meeting. Again, Higuchi was the first to declare his death sentence by saying he will die the next day. From that moment on, he was a dead man walking.

Shiroth

2007-03-04, 10:31

As we can tell by the preview, episode 21 shall be when Rem meets Misa again, and explains the whole Death Note story that she was apart of. I'm guessing from that, and episode titles that have been listed of the shows wiki' page, that'll we'll see L's death at around episode 24/25. That then leaves plenty of room to finish the not so interesting second arc.

Crazy_O

2007-03-04, 17:27

i really hope they change the ending

Manga -> near wins
Movie -> L wins
Anime -> ... maybe its lights turn?

Shiroth

2007-03-04, 20:37

So far, the anime has been a perfect adaptation of the manga, including a few added scenes. I believe they'll stick with the manga, right until the end of the series.

Edgewalker

2007-03-13, 02:08

Will he die in the episode 20??!!!!100%????

They show mello and near in the new opening, they wouldnt do that if they were planning on twisting the story so L wins. L is as good as dead.

Im guessing they will shorten the ending, and likely keep it true to the manga. Either that or light will win.

Azure22

2007-03-20, 19:47

Shiroth

2007-03-20, 21:39

zalem

2007-03-20, 23:58

I don't think Light will win... What I do think, and mind you I have no reason to believe this will happen, this is just a pet theory... That Light will die, and he will wake up in the Shinigami realm, finding out that when a human who has used the Death Note dies, he becomes a Shinigami. I hope that's what happens. ^^;;

Alas, the anime has been following the manga completely so I really doubt they will change the end. Not that I didn't think it appropriate in a way. But as a fan of Light I was hoping he'd win. Though I knew it was highly unlikely...

At the rate they are going looks like L will be dead, if not by the end of the next episode, then by the episode after for sure. Unless they change this...which I hope they don't considering it's Light's biggest victory. Unfortunately, if L dies then it does mean we'll be dealing with Near and Mello. I don't look forward to that at all. Ugh...

Azure22

2007-03-21, 13:59

Alas, the anime has been following the manga completely so I really doubt they will change the end. Not that I didn't think it appropriate in a way. But as a fan of Light I was hoping he'd win. Though I knew it was highly unlikely...

Well, yeah, it is unlikely they'd CHANGE anything, but I can at least hope they'dd make a little addition or something right on at the end...

zalem

2007-03-21, 14:15

But that addition would change things in a way. Ryuk specifically says that all humans end up in MU (nothingness)...there is no afterlife for any of them. I think that is one of the points of the story. That no matter how much of a "god" Light proclaimed himself to be on earth, he was nothing more then a pathetic human. And humans all die and all end up the same way. They are all equal in the end.
I remember someone did make a fake death note comic using manipulated dn pics to depict the ending you want. It was pretty cool. I agree I think I would have preferred if it ended that way.

Azure22

2007-03-21, 16:18

Yeah, I like the idea of all humans being equal in death, it's a very relevant thought. But when Ryuk had spoken about the punishment the a human who used a Deathnote as being unable to go to heaven or hell, he had said it as if humans who used the death note would be special or unique in death... I think that the author would have come up with something like that, if they hadn't had to end it prematurely.

I'd love to see that fake DN ending. Anyone got any idea who made it or where I could find it?

myopius

2007-03-21, 22:27

As we can see from the preview: Light's recapture of the Death Note is next week --- EVERYONE BE READY FOR THE BEST SMILE EVER. Seriously, just thinking about that smile rocks the universe into pieces. Which probably leaves L's death at episode 25. Really.. i feel like crying now, the episode is called Friendship. ;__;
It's really called Friendship? Wow, awesome. Edit: Wait, no it isn't, it's called Silence...

I really, really wanted them to end the confrontation at like 16:00, have 4-5 minutes of slow-paced, musicless minute exchanges, followed at the end by that smile and Light's inner statement directed at L ("L, I've won!" IIRC?). Really owned. As it stands, they're best off doing it right at the halfway point in episode 13, with the second half starting off with an explanation of what really happened the day Light turned himself in and then the blood-written name we see in the preview.

I haven't commented on the DN series in a while, however... yeah, I was surprised that they managed to pick up the pace so much, after they seemed to be drawing it out more earlier in the season.

zalem

2007-03-21, 22:55

I'd love to see that fake DN ending. Anyone got any idea who made it or where I could find it?

I saw it posted here actually. But it was a while ago and I don't remember which thread it was posted in unfortunately. Maybe someone who remembers will speak up...

Shiroth

2007-03-22, 10:36

It's really called Friendship? Wow, awesome. Edit: Wait, no it isn't, it's called Silence...
What the hell? The Wiki' page changed what it was ---- i was a lil' confused with the 'friendship' title. Ah well.

Azure22

2007-03-22, 13:45

It's really called Friendship? Wow, awesome. Edit: Wait, no it isn't, it's called Silence...

On some website, aniDB or something like that, I don't exactly remember, I checked out the episode titles and saw it listed as Silence... I'd hoped they'd changed it to "Friendship." I think it's just more heart wrenching that way.

Shiroth

2007-03-27, 20:01

I must say, they did an amazing job at ending episode 24. Take the preview for episode 25 away, and you still get the feeling that L is going to die. It is upsetting in many ways --- just thinking about it brings tears to my eyes. I do love how they've been able to capture how the manga made you feel at this point in the series.

KaneDragon

2007-03-28, 13:40

Cool, so L dies by episode 26? That would make Death Note a perfect one-season cut off point.

*imagines the expressions of those who don't know about the series when they find out that, yes, the "bad guy" did win. :p

Just leave off the pesky fact that it isn't over yet. ^^

zalem

2007-03-28, 23:05

No, he'll probably be dead in the next episode, episode 25 by the looks of it.

Edgewalker

2007-03-29, 14:45

I cant wait till 25. The L fans who dont know that L dies are going to completely freak out, All fandom shall be in chaos for a day...:D

Deathwing

2007-03-29, 15:49

once L dies the ratings are gonna plummit
just like the Manga:heh:

KaneDragon

2007-03-29, 21:46

Kinda hard to believe people don't know that L dies, but maybe I just hang around 4chan too much.

mist2123

2007-04-04, 14:30

L is dead for L fans

Daisuke CP9

2007-04-05, 08:55

zalem

2007-04-05, 12:19

The L Death is practically the reason why rantings and Kira haters rose. Seriously, doesn't that opinion seem biased, L fangirls simply hating Light just because he made their bishie dead? Like they think Death Note revolves around L...

Well, the anime just made it worse with episode 25. Light-haters will be out of the woodwork because Light betrayed his "best friend." Even though that's totally not the case...neither L nor Light ever thought of each other as "friends". So they made Light look even more evil then he is in the manga. Be prepared for lots of complaining.

mist2123

2007-04-05, 12:46

Well, the anime just made it worse with episode 25. Light-haters will be out of the woodwork because Light betrayed his "best friend." Even though that's totally not the case...neither L nor Light ever thought of each other as "friends". So they made Light look even more evil then he is in the manga. Be prepared for lots of complaining.

L fans Vs Light Fans Showdown!!!!:heh: Buy tickets

Arkwright

2007-04-11, 19:27

A random thought that occurred to me after this week's episode.

Am I the only one who wanted to see more of Roger? Rather than mentioning him briefly, then shifting the focus to the young Near and Mello, I thought it would have been more interesting to present Roger as the main antagonist for the second half.

- It would make more sense for him to be leading the investigation from a distance while he manages his orphanage, while Near and Mello directly investigate on their own and report back to him, instead of having Near sit in his office for the majority of 5 volumes until he finally emerges at the end.

- Near and Mello are too similar to L. Roger appears to be a different type of character, which could perhaps give the story some relief from feeling bland/repetitive.

- If Roger is teaching these gifted children, he is probably at least somewhat intelligent himself, especially since L trusts him as his last resort.

- Or maybe I just want to see Light get a good old-fashioned talking-to.

I have to wonder what they will need to cut out to fit the rest into 11 episodes, though.

Shiroth

2007-04-19, 12:20

After seeing episode 27, you can see how they'll end all this at episode 37. I don't think it'll be rushed, just missing out those moments from the manga that aren't 100% needed.

Can't wait to see Mikami, one of my fav' characters from the series.

iBeast

2007-05-03, 14:03

Mikami is actually one of my hated characters of the series because of his in-ability to follow Light's simple orders...

Edgewalker

2007-05-04, 13:16

episode 29...is it just me or did they completely skip the failed raid ?

Arkwright

2007-05-04, 23:44

Aye, and most of the things with Shidou.

Shiroth

2007-05-05, 14:09

Though if you think about it --- they're not 100% needed, and at this point they don't have that many episodes left to complete the manga story. Episode 29 did feel rushed --- though it was nicely done.

kriez

2007-05-08, 07:46

hmm did anybody notices the names are kind in order by the first letter:
Kira Light/L Mellow Near
I wonder if the author did this on purpose...(I haven't read the whole manga yet so maybe I will know in the end?)
btw a friend of mine already told me the ending so I don't mind spoilers if theres an answer to this.

that was super obvious right from the start!!!!

The L Death is practically the reason why rantings and Kira haters rose. Seriously, doesn't that opinion seem biased, L fangirls simply hating Light just because he made their bishie dead? Like they think Death Note revolves around L...
peeps are just mad lah, and L was a cool character, you can't blame their disappointment as much as they can't blame Kira for L's death~

and here's another concern, which i tnk many would have noticed, they postponed L's death in a way since the proportion allocatd to L's arc was longer in the anime than the manga, all due to L's popularity and therefore the anime now speeding up to keep the viewers watching for the exciting pace of the plot than to focus on the missing L. Near is actually a very nice charc too, i like him a lot, just that we see less of his character development and many are still mourning over L's death to notice him. :eyespin:

Shinobu Morita

2007-05-08, 10:02

I just finished reading the Death Note manga and I was wondering who was the girl holding the torch at the end?

Setsuchan

2007-05-09, 06:06

I just finished reading the Death Note manga and I was wondering who was the girl holding the torch at the end?

Just a random Kira worshipper (So she's NOT Misa,the author has already said that)

Axelis

2007-05-09, 22:30

What? I was quite positive that the girl at the end holding the torch was Misa.....Well, I hope that the author can continue with Death Note 2, which means, Ryuuk gets bored again.....then, we get entertained! Or, they won't continue anymore?......

Shiroth

2007-05-10, 08:26

Thanks to Light's speech in the preview for episode 31 --- we can see that Mikami shall be making his appearance. God i can't wait, i love his character.

Setsuchan

2007-05-13, 05:18

I love Mikami too! I was wondering when we would be seeing him.

But what about Matt >__< I still want to see him too. I hope they don't cut him out of the anime..or something like that ._.

Dagger

2007-05-15, 23:45

Urgh, yeah, apparently Matt's first appearance was supposed to be in the material covered by episode 31... and he's not there. Bad Madhouse. I hope they don't slice him out entirely, even if they have to reduce his role to a few key cameo appearances.

Shiroth

2007-05-17, 10:51

Judging by the preview for episode 32, it looks like we won't be getting Mikami's backstory chapter. Sure there's a chance it might be added at a later date, though it's perfect to see after the end events of episode 31.

Daisuke CP9

2007-05-19, 00:29

Speaking of which~
Why is Matt so damn popular? He only appears a few times in the manga then dies.

Dagger

2007-05-19, 00:33

Why are minor characters in any show popular? *shrugs* Personally I find him entertaining because of how much he contrasts with Near & Mello--and, for the same reason, it fascinates me to speculate on how different the series would have been if he ended up leading one of the major investigations instead of Near or Mello. After all, he was #3. His laid-back persona contrasts wonderfully with the rest of the Wammy's House crew, not to mention almost everyone else in the story. He's more like, say, Ryuk than any of the human characters.

Kinny Riddle

2007-05-19, 07:14

Hey guys, in the New Thread Suggestions I'm proposing a thread for the transfer of ownership of the various DNs. (See link below. )

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=951868&postcount=59

Pellissier would agree to a new thread only if there is some interest in it being discussed, otherwise it would end up with the Q&A thread or in this thread, which I'm also fine with. As this place seems to be the best place to gauge interest since everyone knows the plot inside out, I'm posting this here. So what do you guys think? Please post your thoughts in that thread (be careful not to spoil anything, of course).

Shiroth

2007-05-19, 14:00

Being in the Q&A thread. Though watching the show carefully can answer the questions.

Daisuke CP9: Matt was already in the story at this point. Maybe he's not going to appear, or much later.

But yeah, i don't really see anything in him. He's no Mikami. <3

T E L L

2007-05-24, 21:15

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http://www.deathgod.org/multi/avatars/s_39.jpghttp://www.deathgod.org/multi/avatars/s_38.jpghttp://www.deathgod.org/multi/avatars/n12.gifand for all the girls out there.....http://www.deathgod.org/multi/avatars/n14.gifhttp://www.deathgod.org/multi/avatars/n15.gifhttp://www.deathgod.org/multi/avatars/n24.gif

Edgewalker

2007-06-08, 02:02

Watching the anime near its end is starting to remind me why I hate misa.

Harvest

2007-07-05, 22:32

Death note ending
Explanation by Harvest Lee

Ok for everyone that thinks Light died, you’re all wrong. Do you really think he would not have a back up plan? Think of the bigger picture Light set up Near to make it so that he’s name not being in the death note would mean he dies. Light also remembers back to the very beginning when Ryuuk says he’ll be the one to write he’s name down and kill him. So guess what happen? Ryuuk wroth down light’s name and saved he’s life which means……. ALL OF THE LIFE THAT RYUUK SUCKED UP FROM ALL THE NAMES IN THE DEATH NOTE GO TO YAGAMI LIGHT and Ryuuk dies .

I’m sure some of you may have noticed that yagami Light’s eyes glowed red near the end right? Well if you’re going to have several thousand years of life added to you, you might as well.

Simply put Near, Mhello and L were not Light’s real enemies; from the start Light’s rival was Ryuuk. Oh yeah and everyone but Light is going to die now.

Jaden

2007-07-06, 06:16

That doesn't make any sense Harvest.

And even if there was a scenario where Light stole Ryuk's lifespan and survived the bullet wounds, he would still be more screwed than ever. Everyone knows he's Kira and he doesn't possess a death note. He'd have to rot in prison for Ryuk's whole lifespan.

Harvest

2007-07-06, 18:26

the reason why Ryuuke accidently would have saved Light's life would be because of the paradox of the situration. Near was going to trick Light's henchmen into writing down everyone's names excpet Light's which make him guilty and sentenced to death for all the murders, but Ryuuk said he didn't want to WAIT which confirms that Light will die from that sole piece of evidence that points directly at him.

a piece of the death note isn't that hard to hide Light probably has some used as toilet paper, he'll just write down everyone's names then walk back after they die and just take the real deathnote from that silly near

Harvest

2007-07-06, 18:58

It make sense if you think about it. Light did experiment this similar tactic on Rem and she died and gave all of her life to misa, Each shinigami has a personality/ intellential weakness to make up for their phsyical immunity. With Ryuuke I would say it was he's overconfidence as a spectator, he just wanted to have fun without thinking too much about how it would affect him as an immortal, Light picked up on that and used it against him in the end.

As i have said Near, Mhenllo and L were not Light's true enemy, Ryuuk was. Ryuuk did say he would be the one to write light's name in the death note at the very start so that would have given light 6 years to prepare to make good on his reply that he told Ryuuk " Ryuuk you're about to witness the exception".

Jaden

2007-07-09, 14:47

*sigh*

So you say Light found a way to exploit the moment Ryuk writes Yagami Light on his own death note? Impossible. Regardless of the circumstances, once you write a human's name on the death note while thinking about the face, that human will die, in fourty seconds. Ryuk wrote down Light's name and that was the end for him. It's a good ending no matter how much you overanalyze, it can't be seen as Light's victory.

Harvest

2007-07-10, 17:59

I'm not saying Light thought up that exploit at the moment i'm saying he had PLANNED IT ALL ALONG. Light experimented this with Misha on Rem when he used her to kill L. It actually makes sense for someone like Light who uses every aspect of the deathnote and related entities to Kill a shinigami at the right moment.

Windspirit

2007-07-10, 18:41

First of all, I don't understand a single thing in your theory, Harvest. I have the feeling that it doesn't make sense at all, that you're just babbling stuff like a Light's fanboy would.

You're making an analogy with Rem's case. Now I think I guess what you mean : you mean that as he manipulated Rem to kill L, Light manipulated Ryuk to save his life. What you obviously don't remember is that Rem had feelings for Misa and she killed someone to save her life. This is how a Shinigami dies : it's all about love and feelings.

Ryuk HATES Light, heck, I'd even say the Ryuk was Light's worst enemy : he even says "We killed time well, together, huh ? Now die, you don't distract me anymore."

No matter how you look at it, Ryuk has no feelings at all towards Light, except maybe hate. This means that Ryuk purely and simply killed Light by writting his name on his Death Note. Period.

Echoes

2007-07-11, 07:46

I wouldn't go as far as to say Ryuuku was Light's worst enemy, or even his enemy. He was quite content with letting Light go about his business as usual, had Light not been defeated at the end, I strongly believe Ryuuku would have let him live out his natural life.

He might not *like* Light, but Ryuuku doesn't really like anyone, so that's to be expected

However, the theory about Light tricking Ryuuku and somehow acquiring his lifespan is utterly false.

Anime Overload

2007-07-13, 13:06

Ryuk is a very complicated character seeing as his emotions/thoughts are hard to interpret. The reminiscing at the end about time spent together may be regretful, sad or maybe joking. -Shrug- Who knows.

akira300

2007-07-29, 17:16

Ryuuk wroth down light’s name and saved he’s life which means……. ALL OF THE LIFE THAT RYUUK SUCKED UP FROM ALL THE NAMES IN THE DEATH NOTE GO TO YAGAMI LIGHT and Ryuuk dies .

can you explain to me why all of the life that ryuk sucked up from all the names in the death note goes to Light ?

and i love ur theory (Light-fan)

also i too have a comment in episode 26 reincarnation, there is a countdown for L's PC(that will contact the orphanage informing them about L's Death) , if ur theory is right.. then this may add up.. wouldn't it be strange for light not to check the things L left behind, maybe he saw or knew about the countdown timer and the plan for ryuks dead started there knowing there will be a successor for L. and i think too that Near is inferior to L.

If it wasnt for Mikami's mistake using the deathnote when light told him not too (killing takanada) near wouldnt found out it was a fake that he sabotaged.

But this goes against the big picture.. if it this was all Lights planning(to kill ruyk) he would have predicted that Mikami would kill takanada. why using the death note then himself for killing her. <-- to make sure that she burns evrything with her and that she will not die of a hard attack or this proves your theory wrong.

Echoes

2007-07-29, 18:32

That hypothesis is utterly wrong, and goes against some of the most simple rules in the Death Note world. Sorry for being blunt, but this was debunked some time ago.

akira300

2007-07-29, 19:32

That hypothesis is utterly wrong, and goes against some of the most simple rules in the Death Note world. Sorry for being blunt, but this was debunked some time ago.

what am i missing ? what simple rules then? and there are only a couple post after harvests theory. enlighten me :)

would love to see Light come back, in my fantasy he will be the god of the new world but after a couple years the shinigami world starts to interfere with lights/kira's doing and a whole new plot begins, kira vs shinigamis

Echoes

2007-07-29, 20:46

I too would have preferred an ending with Light walking away victorious, especially since L's victory was no longer an option, and Near was just unappealing in every way. This if, however, far from how the plot ended.
If you've read the manga, you'll know that the last chapter contained a sort of a aftermath to the events in the anime. The fact that everyone was still alive at that point should be sufficient evidence to suggest that Light did indeed perish, and did not become a shinigami.

I'll try to point out a couple of facts which would conclude that Light did not gain any extra lifespan as well. As you probably know, the only way (the only way available to humans) to kill a shinigami is to make that shinigami extend their lifespan by taking someone else's life. In addition to this, the shinigami has to have developed feelings of love, care or affection for the person whose life was extended.
Ryuuku did not care for Light. He viewed him merely as a source of entertainment.
It is apparent in the anime that he does indeed find Light interesting and enjoys the feats he carries out with his death note, there are even times where Ryuuku is impressed by his determination and intelligence, rare as they may be. However, he is still far, far from being selfless enough to ever sacrifice anything for a mere human, whose life is as expendable as the apples he happily devours. It is never suggested that he likes Light in any way, shape or from beyond the fun that comes from his actions. Had Ryuuku liked Light enough to give his life for him, he would have surely killed everyone at the warehouse earlier. Matsuda did shoot Light, after all. I'm certain you see my point, if you love someone enough to die for them, you'd hate to see bullets pierce their flesh.
Exhibit A: Ryuuku does not like/love/care for Light.

This second part will make my first point sort of redundant, but nevertheless. For the sake of the argument, let us assume Ryuuku did like Light enough to die for him. The course of his actions would have been completely different. Writing Light's name in his death note would not have led to Ryuuku dying and Light acquiring his remaining lifespan. Shinigami exist to take life, therefore they are punished if they extend it. But now we've arrived at a circular argument. "Ryuuku died because he extended Light's lifespan, and he extended his lifespan because he died." Still, we have no explanation as to why he would die if he killed Light, it is perfectly legitimate to kill someone you love, even for a shinigami. The feelings are not the problem, the extension of human life is. If Ryuuku wanted to give Light his lifespan, he would have had to kill someone who threatened Light's existence.
Exhibit B: Ryuuku's actions would not lead to an extension of Light's lifespan, even if we assume strong emotions were involved.

The manga is also much clearer on Ryuuku's feelings towards Light, and the ending is a little different, but with the same results. Ryuuku calls Light a loser, and pretty much taunts him after his name has been written in his death note.
Misa also took her own life as a consequence of Light's death, she committed suicide because she heard the tragic news, which would have been impossible had Light not been dead. The last argument is perhaps the simplest answer I could give, and would really close the case alone. Death Note's author has explained the events at the end of the story, and confirmed that Misa killed herself because Light died, among other things.
Exhibit C: Nothing makes sense unless Light died.

akira300

2007-07-30, 05:59

thnx for the enlightenment :), just hate that the author made light die in such a pathetic way, people talking about karma and that the series delivered in with this ending but to make such an interesting character die in such a shameful way, it really made me feel sad.

with the things you just explained i no longer have the hope of light coming back :(, but better to have the short pain then having false hope for a couple of months

Echoes

2007-07-30, 10:04

Hey, no problem, I'll take any excuse to discuss Death Note. I didn't care much for the way Light died either, I wish he would have at least taken someone down with him. This was probably not revealed in the anime, as far as I recall, but he was actually extremely close to finished Near's real name (Nate River, iirc) on his hidden death note. That does show that he payed close attention to detail until the last second, though, since he only learned Near's true name a couple of minutes earlier, when he displayed the death note Mikami had used, to show that Light's name was the only one missing.

The ending was pretty dark, but I often find that the series who dares to do something different are the ones I end up loving the most. The plot was delivered in a very real (as real as fantasy gets) and honest way, and the characters were truly unique. That of course, adds more disappointment when they perish. I do feel your pain, since pretty much all of the characters I cared for died. (Light, L, Misa, Mikami, even Mello) I'll always treasure the show, though, one of my very very favorites. I think I watched about 24 episodes in the first sitting, that's definitely a personal record.

akira300

2007-07-31, 12:49

even its not the ending that i wanted its one of the best and most powerful endings ever done in an anime in my personal opinion, the sad and angry feelings i had after watching the final episode even exceeds the ones i had with the full metal alchemist ending. truly a masterpiece that i will never forget.

still i will never stop hoping for another season of death note, but then again it will lose its power as we all can agree that that is what happened (a little bit) after L died

Echoes

2007-07-31, 13:44

I also hope they make a second season... sort of. I'd rather have no second season than a below average or bad second season, though.
L's death did accelerate the plot, and allowed for some great twists, but I still personally feel that it lessened the quality of the remaining episodes a bit. This isn't because it was wrong of the author or anything of the sort, it was merely because I loved L, hated Near, and thought Mello was ok. (still a bad replacement)

baltostar

2007-08-02, 01:45

Echoes, I liked your detail on post 2007-07-29 20:46

I would like to ask you this, how are death gods born? Do we actualy know? Even though I took a break from the show and jest finnished the last eppisode today, I don't remember them discussing it. For the second seasion, a posible plot could only (in my opinion) be acchived by bringing Kira back. True, for the sake of the arguments you discussed above, he is right now dead and Ryuuku should have gained the remaining years of his life, asuming that he would have lived a full life without getting the death note. Back to my first comment; how are death gods born. Could it be, possibley by some unknown loophole that by Kira's actions, so many died; could it give him a second life as a death god or reincarnation. Still, to support your argument, they know Kira's true identeity and it would be wird if a corps came back to life once in the ground. No... I belevie, the power to form a second seasion would be with the Death Book it self, after all, do death gods even know all the rules? That could be the very twist that could bring the series back. Thats as far as I got, and am clueless on how they would pull it off.

Any one else have some consepts to pull off a second seasion or exspand on some of my comments, then please post.

wingdarkness

2007-08-02, 02:24

@baltostar - Don't know about the whole DeathGod birth thing, but as amazing as DN's characters were, DeathNote as a concept is bigger than this cast...I'll answer your request though...

Any one else have some consepts to pull off a second seasion or exspand on some of my comments, then please post.

Why does it even have to include Light? The DN's have been around seemingly since the beginning of time..I think a great potential story would be to flip the script and have the next series take place in like the 1930's; a prequel (film it even more noir style than DN1--That detective story in the Animatrix short for an example of what I mean)...Maybe the "mantle of L" has been around for decades...Maybe the first "L" can take on a "Kira" from that time period...

The show would obviously be on a smaller scale, but I mean some of the best episodes of DN dealt with Light just killing one person (Ray Penber, his fiancee')...You don't have to kill a million people in one episode to make a good detective story..Maybe the 1930's Kira makes Hitler commit suicide^^...But seriously I think you can take a more contained story alot of different directions...If you don't like the idea of an L connection from the past you can just have a noir styled "Sam Spade" (Normal city detective) try to figure out who "Kira" is ...

Echoes

2007-08-02, 14:31

The whole issue of whether shinigami are actually born, or how they come into existence is one that I believe has been left unanswered. It was never discussed, and no one has ever mentioned any way to create new ones. I, like many others, had a gut feeling that Light might've become a shinigami after he passed on, and that this was the essence of the death note's power, the price you had to pay for using it, so to speak. That turned out to be a fluke, so we are left wondering.
It seems very unlikely that shinigami do not come into existence every so often, though. Their lifespan, though they can basically life forever if they want to, is finite. In addition to this, they can die from the same causes Rem and Jealous did. Though this has never been shown directly, shinigami can also be killed if they disobey the laws uphold by the shinigami "king", who will inflict painful and/or lethal punishments upon the sinners, depending on their crime.

Even if we presume these occurrences are extremely rare, the shinigami population would eventually reach zero if they're subject to long enough periods of time. Shinigami would also have to have come into existence pretty recently, since their only means of extending their lifetime is taking the lives of humans beings. (Sort of debatable, since we do not know how long their original lifespans are)

I'm willing to bet it has something to do with the shinigami king, perhaps he's able to summon or produce death gods, or something along those lines. This is merely speculation on my part, based on the small amount of information available, of course.

Moving on to the possibility of a second season. The possibility is there, but I don't have any high expectations. All of the characters that made the show interesting are dead, so they would have to basically start from scratch. Although the show is already supernatural in nature, I'd hate to see them introduce something like resurrections or magic abilities, I just don't think it'd go well with the show.
So what ideas are we left with for a second season? Since we'd either have to see an entire new cast, or a completely new story with the remaining characters, I believe we would be better off hoping for a spin-off than another season.

If we assume that someone some villain got a hold of the death note, and they'd have to look for him the same way the searched for Light in this season, I don't think it would be very interesting. Without the "I'm purging the world of evil" attitude, the death note in itself isn't that interesting. We all remember the Yotsuba arc, sure it was interesting to see him on a power-trip, but that alone won't make the show.

The idea of a prequel, as mentioned above, though plausible, would pose some questions. If an earlier "L" fought an earlier Kira, we'd have to presume from the start that he never won, since L was obviously oblivious to the existence of death notes. Without the note, it would be impossible to ever convict anyone of a murder, they'd have no evidence, after all. If the script was ingenious, I suppose they'd be able to whip up something, but I still doubt it.

Death Note has been immensely successful, though, so there's always a possibility. I would like to see a second season, or even a spin-off, even though I know it won't be as good as the first was.

baltostar

2007-08-02, 17:17

More ideas to consider:

I beleive there are very few death gods; This would mean they are deminnishing, assumming there were many more long ago. The death gods (the chariters interacted with) didn't seem to know that two of there own died and there might have been someting in the anime that showed the death god relm, but it didn't seem like they were doing much. They could posibly do a seasion of the creation of the death note, do we yet know all the rules, do the death gods even know them.

I mentioned the idea on how are death gods born, but how are death notes created and what happends when a BOOK GETS FULL? If each death god has two books(one to drop and one persional), then if a book gets full, how do they get another, or is there life span unable to exspand, because they lack room to add names.

There could be more power in the books then were are lead to beleive. If you think of the books as a living death god, then the death god's book is the book itself and it only lacks a vesial to Feed It. When a name is writen in the death god's book, the remaining life span of the person get's added to the life span of the death god. However, when someone writes a name in the Death Note, the person dies and we don't relly know what happens the there remaining life span. We know that the death god doesn't get it, because he exsplains that he gets the life from writing names in his book. So, possiby, the death note is living and gaining life from the names written, and assuming that the death note is potential for a death god, a blank slate for personality. The book could learn, or exsorb personality traits of the user, and sence Kira was the main holder of the book (the death god only followed kira) the posiblity of Kira being reborn (I agree that brining him back from the death probly wouldn't work) and becomming a death god from the book....

I was interupted 4 times whell trying to write this and have lost my train of thought, i think i made some points or a diffrent way at looking at the topic. I am good at the "What if" side of things, it makes me good at testing story plots and campain settings.

Any furether comments, please post.

Echoes

2007-08-02, 17:37

Ryuuku stated pretty clearly that humans cannot gain any lifespan from killing people at all, and while he's been known to keep a secret or two, he never actually lies to Light about any rules. I believe he would been honest about this, had it been the case. That of course, leaves the possibility of Ryuuku not knowing anything about it alltogether, but there is really no reason to assume that it's so.
The combined rules of "All humans will eventually die" and "What awaits humans after death is nothingness" would also leave one to assume it is not the case.

About the notes getting full, there's a simple answer to that; they can't. One of the rules states that: "The death note can never run out of pages."
How this is possible is not mentioned, but you can rest assured, the note's capacity is infinite.

baltostar

2007-08-02, 18:05

About the notes getting full, there's a simple answer to that; they can't. One of the rules states that: "The death note can never run out of pages."
How this is possible is not mentioned, but you can rest assured, the note's capacity is infinite.

Didn't remember that point, and it puts an end to my idea.

Ryuuku stated pretty clearly that humans cannot gain any lifespan from killing people at all

This is true, i was jest spectulating on wath happens to the lifespan's because they don't go to the human or death god.

Echoes

2007-08-02, 19:29

I suppose it's just wasted, the whole idea of lifespan is pretty complicated to being with. A pre-determined lifespan seems very weird, and I'm not completely comfortable with the idea yet, nor do I completely understand it. For example, does suicide affect the lifespan? Is that calculated when you see someone's lifespan? After all, it's just a date of death, so it should work. When I even mention Misa, it gets even more complicated, since she's supposed to have the lifespan of 2 shinigami (even a conservative estimate would indicate hundreds of years), yet she killed herself like a year later. Leads me to assume suicide is an exception or something, which wouldn't make much sense.

I'm pretty clueless on the subject.

baltostar

2007-08-02, 21:05

I beleive that the death god gets the "Remaining lifespan" or someting when the name is writen in his book. Howerver, if Kira was about to die because of the gun shot, does it mean that the death god gets the and extra 10-30min life span he would have lived with the bullet wounds? It doesn't seem very affective. The death god should jest write the name of young people to get full life spans for him self.

Echoes

2007-08-03, 09:55

Yes, under normal circumstances the shinigami will get the remaining lifespan, if they write the name in their own death note. There's no doubt about that.

It is heavily suggested that Light would not have died from the wounds, Ryuuku mentions in his monologue that he doesn't want to wait for him to die in prison, so he's fulfilling his part of the deal now. That particular death, however, was not something he did to expand his own lifespan, he did it because that's the deal made between the shinigami and the first person to gain ownership of the notebook. Had Light had 15 seconds left of his life, Ryuuku still would have done it, just for the record.

eru_panda

2008-06-30, 11:12

This may seem off your topic, but it is death note. i just found the most beautiful song, viva la vida-by coldplay, and i searched death note with it.
This AMV made me cry so much.http://youtube.com/watch?v=HbOWaGwL-_4

This anime moved me so much, I can never let go of it. I'm so sad that it ended, and I'm always wishing for more.

eru_panda

2008-06-30, 11:59

Echoes

2008-07-01, 15:18

Wait, didn't he become a shinigami? Because based on this video I came across the other day, (watch it before reading below......)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=lg5LVtnLWC8

rumors are that the shinigami that was looking for Ryuk was Light.

The video you provided is part of the Death Note TV special that aired after the series. My post, the one you quoted, was written before the TV Special was available, and if I recall correctly before it even aired, and is thus based solely on the conclusion of the TV series.

As for Light becoming a shinigami in the Death Note TV Special, I've heard compelling arguments against this, but have not kept up with any recent discussion, so this might be outdated as well.

Endrance

2008-07-01, 15:42

It would be interesting if Light ended up in the shinigami world and explainable seeing that whoever uses the note cant go to heaven or hell...they might as well end up in the shinigami world

kk2extreme

2008-07-01, 17:06

it seems more shinigamis are starting to journey to the human world, both in the manga and anime (final conclusion), it seems that ruuyk started this trend. Would there be a sequeal soon? if so, i hope the next shinigami find a man that as intellegent as Light and L, if not surpass them. But it would be very hard to top them though. :(

Good thing that Light provides a good show for Ryuuk, or else he wont start telling story to the other shinigamis.

As for light being in the shinigami world, i believe what ruuyk said is that human has no soul to begin with when ruuyk laugh at the making up stories of him taking Light's soul, therefore the death note users know the truth, but not the others (therefore, there are no heaven or hell to begin with), so if one die, he/she simply return to ash.

eru_panda

2008-07-02, 11:14

The video you provided is part of the Death Note TV special that aired after the series. My post, the one you quoted, was written before the TV Special was available, and if I recall correctly before it even aired, and is thus based solely on the conclusion of the TV series.

As for Light becoming a shinigami in the Death Note TV Special, I've heard compelling arguments against this, but have not kept up with any recent discussion, so this might be outdated as well.

OHHHH ok. I hope he did become a shinigami, though, and i still want to see the whole DVD to see what happened.

Aquaman OS

2008-07-05, 18:13

eru_panda

2008-07-11, 22:18

If he did, he has no memory anymore anyway. Also he needs to follow the strict Shinigami laws and can't remain in the human world for long without becoming a personal Shinigami to a Death Note user.

Either way, his crusade is over. Kira isn't coming back.

Well, he shouldn't anyway, he wasn't a god after all. Gods don't die. He deserved it for all the innocent people he killed *sniffles* "OH L COME BACK!" :(:(:(
The little arrogant bastard Light is.:frustrated::frustrated::frustrated:

kk2extreme

2008-07-12, 19:42

If he did, he has no memory anymore anyway. Also he needs to follow the strict Shinigami laws and can't remain in the human world for long without becoming a personal Shinigami to a Death Note user.

Either way, his crusade is over. Kira isn't coming back.

there are "kira sequeals" with some other shinigami, but with near in charge of being L, it is very hard to get a "kira" that is surpass or on par with the original, because each deathnote dropped is randomly distributed, and there are only a few in the world that has intellegence come close to Light or L, and someone needs to surpass Light in order to beat near.

Its funny to see how the other shinigamis idolize ryuuk and try to get some human as wise and intellegence as Light

hort

2009-02-09, 09:26

Hello.. I have not read the whole thread... (keep that in mind)

I only watched the anime, but I totally saw the change back from light/kira but i must read the manga to see innocent light the anim did not ever get that across.

when I first saw L die it sucked and the rest seemed worse because of that. But, I just recently figured out (at least I think I did) that L never was fooled by light. There is the time that Light says something like "but what if i am not kira" and L says something like "that would make me the happiest person alive" but really sad like... I think he knew then that he had to die so N could catch Kira.. so the N story is just L's plan to its fruition.

anybody agree? does the manga support this?

Light_Yamagi_Kira

2009-02-09, 13:16

L could never get ahead of the game; this is why Light (Kira) was so successful and at the end defeated L. Yes, L always had the hunch maybe even knew that Light was Kira. We all know that Light was L's number one suspect forever. Nevertheless it was all speculation, L needed evidence and or proof to convict Light - this is where Light perfected, he never let up and never mad mistakes. He never allowed L to get that far. Light really could have cared less if L suspected him because hunches and suspicion can only take you so far. It's the starting point and Light was not going to let L get any further. The difference between L and N is one thing... N was lucky enough to have one of his agents pick up on Mimaki's out of character day. I have much more respect for L, he was much better than N, N is a lucky little brat who thinks he's smarter than he is. Light was dominate over any character in the show - L was second.

Woopzilla

2009-06-02, 11:08

Since it probably can't be answered with a fact I'll post this here rather than the Q&A thread.

Lifespans seem to be set for every human. I would assume these are set from birth and can't be altered in anyway besides being killed via a Death Note.

That makes me think about the role of fate in Death Note. The fact that a persons length of life is set, does this mean his actions are pre-destined too? Or is it more like, if someones lifespan runs out when standing near a road it will have him be involved in an accident, or if the person is somewhere high up it will make him fall. Situational deaths like that... not necessarily having the method set in stone.

This brings me to Yagami Soichiro. Light in the end was blamed for his Father's death, yet Kira or not, his dad would have died sometime soon anyway. Seeing how Soichiro died in a normal way (non-Death Note induced death) means that even if you take the time between the point he did the 'eye' deal, to the point of his death times by 2 = His remaining lifespan.

So deal or not, he was fated to die soon anyway. Can it really be inferred that Light was the cause of his demise? Only people with the 'eye' and Death Gods can read other people's lifespan though, so I guess it doesn't really matter to the characters themselves like Matsuda. Not like you can pat him at the end when he finds out that Kira is Light and say: "Now, now, Soichiro was going to kick the bucket soon anyway."

I think it's just an interesting point to think about.

Light-Yagami-Kira

2009-06-08, 17:57

Lifespans seem to be set for every human. I would assume these are set from birth and can't be altered in anyway besides being killed via a Death Note.

Yes, I like how you assumed that the lifespan began at birth rather than in the fetus. To give the human a fair lifespan, none of it would be used up within the womb. It would make sense to conclude that the lifespan began at the moment of birth.

That makes me think about the role of fate in Death Note. The fact that a persons length of life is set, does this mean his actions are pre-destined too? Or is it more like, if someones lifespan runs out when standing near a road it will have him be involved in an accident, or if the person is somewhere high up it will make him fall. Situational deaths like that... not necessarily having the method set in stone.

The fate of the Death Note had authority over natural fate. Natural fate was set by the persons lifespan, but the Death Note dictated that by cutting off the human before his or her set time. And if the lifespan was set at birth then we can't assume it was predestined in anyway, seeing how "pre" would be before birth. The lifespan would also have nothing to do with the actions of the persons death caused by the Death Note. The Death Note defys the lifespan by killing the human before his appointed time.

Woopzilla

2009-06-08, 18:54

The fate of the Death Note had authority over natural fate. Natural fate was set by the persons lifespan, but the Death Note dictated that by cutting off the human before his or her set time. And if the lifespan was set at birth then we can't assume it was predestined in anyway, seeing how "pre" would be before birth. The lifespan would also have nothing to do with the actions of the persons death caused by the Death Note. The Death Note defys the lifespan by killing the human before his appointed time.

Yea, I know that the Death Note can kill people before their time, but Yagami Soichiro died a 'natural' death... he wasn't killed by a Death Note.

In the last episode Matsuda blames Light for causing Soichiro's death... BUT Soichiro didn't have much time left to live anyway. Soichiro took the 'Eye-Deal' and halved his lifespan. So the time it takes from the Eye-Deal to his Death x2 = His remaining natural lifespan. Not very much.

What I'm saying is that this means noone in the story's world is responsible for anyone's death. Everyone has a set time to die that can only be interfered with a Death Note. It makes you wonder if people actions are also influenced by this lifespan, if everything is just fated to happen. (Except for anything Death Note induced).

Light-Yagami-Kira

2009-06-08, 21:40

In the last episode Matsuda blames Light for causing Soichiro's death... BUT Soichiro didn't have much time left to live anyway. Soichiro took the 'Eye-Deal' and halved his lifespan. So the time it takes from the Eye-Deal to his Death x2 = His remaining natural lifespan. Not very much.

Matsuda argued that if it wasn't for "Kira", Soichiro wouldn't have joined L's Investigation Team; and therefore, wouldn't have got shot and died. This is what Matsuda meant at the end when he said Light was responsible for LEADING Soichiro to his grave.

What I'm saying is that this means noone in the story's world is responsible for anyone's death.

Umm... no; actually, everyone who kills with or without the Death Note is responsible for the ones they have killed. The lifespan can't influence you to kill yourself. Only when it runs out will you die.

It makes you wonder if people actions are also influenced by this lifespan, if everything is just fated to happen. (Except for anything Death Note induced).

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Only the Death Note can influence accidental deaths... Life span can't do shit.

Woopzilla

2009-06-09, 03:34

Matsuda argued that if it wasn't for "Kira", Soichiro wouldn't have joined L's Investigation Team; and therefore, wouldn't have got shot and died. This is what Matsuda meant at the end when he said Light was responsible for LEADING Soichiro to his grave.
Yea but what I'm saying is, wouldn't he have died anyway? What do you think of the 'Eye-Deal' calcuation I posted above? I know Light wouldn't know his father's lifespan... but still.

Umm... no; actually, everyone who kills with or without the Death Note is responsible for the ones they have killed. The lifespan can't influence you to kill yourself. Only when it runs out will you die.
Well, I'm thinking in terms of fate. Don't fated events mean that people don't really have control over some of their actions?

Like Misa... her lifespan was running out and a Shinigami, named Gelus, wanted to see how she dies. A man with a knife attacks her... but she is saved by the Shinigami, and the Shinigami dies. Wasn't the man originally 'fated' to kill Misa? Does fate allow some control over actions?

Only the Death Note can influence accidental deaths... Life span can't do shit.
But doesn't the above incident with Misa show that lifespans running out can be natural, suicide or murder?

Tenken's Smile

2009-07-04, 15:51

Did Near cheat in the final confrontation?

In the end, Matsuda raises a theory of Near cheating by writing Mikami's name in the Notebook to make sure Mikami bring the real Notebook to the warehouse and forget to test its authenticity. Is Matsuda's theory true?

I think the theory has 70% of being correct,
knowing Near's personality (tries to win at any cost),
+ Near did not try to catch Kira for justice or for L. He just wanted subject Kira to humiliation.
+ Mikami's extremely meticulous nature
+ the situation (a life-or-death battle in which everyone tried to hold onto his life)

Besides, look at Tsugumi Ohba's answer to the question: "Is Matsuda’s theory correct?" in volume 13 HTR :

Ohba: "Basically, I want each of the readers to decide for themselves and adopt their own views. The only thing I can say for sure is: Light ordered Mikami to not take out the real Note until the end..."

Now look at what Takeshi Obata said in this same interview:

Question: "Who is the smartest character in DN?"
Obata: "Near, because he cheats."

There answers contain subtle hints. Based on those, I can conclude that :
- Mikami would never betray Light
- Near cheats.

AND (as pointed out by Samurai_Drifter):
- At the end, Near holds up the Notebook, points to Takada's name in it, and says, "This is the fake notebook we made, but it is exactly like the original." It's a very subtle point: Near wanted to prove that Mikami had written Takada's name in it, but why would he hold up the replica instead of the real one? The answer: because he'd written Mikami's name into the real Death Note and wasn't going to show anyone.

Together the possibility of Near cheating adds up to 99%

But
I have to take Near's pride into account: was his pride enough to prevent him from doing the same thing Kira did?

ShootingStars

2009-07-06, 07:02

it doesnt matter if he cheated
light died :(... i wanted him to win and make the new world.

Woopzilla

2009-07-08, 04:01

I don't think Near used the Death Note to his advantage.

When Light is pretty much cornered and exposed as Kira, Light asks Near if that Note that he is holding is real. Near wonders if Light is trying to trick him, but would he think that after exposing Kira? If he did use it to help him corner Light, then he would be in no doubt that it was real.

But if he did use it, then I like him even less... Suicide by stabbing yourself with a pen? Ugh.

Tenken's Smile

2009-07-09, 20:33

I don't think Near wondered about the Notebook's authenticity.
Near's thought was, "Is he bluffing now?" because Light bluffing to buy time was out of his speculation.
His full thought might be, "Of course it's real. What is Light planning to do now?"

If you're interested, further discussion: http://community.livejournal.com/death_note/1759743.html

ArrowSmith

2009-07-24, 02:54

You know I've thought it over and over. I just can't come up with a scenario that Light can use the Death Note(in the beginning) and for L not to find out that it's being used from the Kanto region. Also Light needed to access the police files because he was running out of criminals from his first week or so of killing. Maybe a more mature person would have found a way to be more patient with it, so as to avoid attracting ANY attention. But once L got involved, I think it was game, set match because Near & Mello existed to take over whatever L found out.

The Trice

2009-09-01, 04:04

i wish i could know how would light get rid of rotten people i mean not every bad guy appear on tv , like people who bully and harm people by frightening them they don't appear on tv
and even if one who got bullied posted on the internet the name of the bad guys , how would kira know if he is making it up or not?

LXwillXlive

2009-11-15, 20:17

You know I've thought it over and over. I just can't come up with a scenario that Light can use the Death Note(in the beginning) and for L not to find out that it's being used from the Kanto region.

it would have been easy to keep it hidden light was in the kanto region. all he needed to do was lay low and think when Lind L. Taylor was on the TV. even i realized what L was doing(playing it only in a certain region at a specific time.) all light needed to do was realize this and not be so childish and quick to result to the action he did. but, as has been stated, light is childish. he tried to act mighty by saying 'stand in my way and it's instant annihilation.' when he should have been studying this man named 'L'. it was completely obvious L would never show himself in that way. light was too worked up about the fact that L had the nerve to present himself saying that kira was evil. and since he had the power to kill Lind L. Taylor, he did.

frankly, all Light needed to do was lay low. although having his big moment with the raye penber bus hijacking incident was a very good plan, it would have been smarter that he pretended he didnt notice raye there. he would have stopped being followed soon enough (literally, the next day though he didnt know that)

and he really shouldn't have hacked into the computer either. sure he was down on criminals and he wanted to stay on top of the case but it bites him in the butt in the end, because it was obvious he had access to police files. laying low would be smartest; it would lower his suspicion because he had access to information of such but didn't use it.

his pride is what really killed him in the end.

though doing that wouldnt make a very good storyline, dontchathink?