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Catgirls
2006-11-27, 01:09
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Itachikun
2006-11-28, 13:14
You just never learn IchiKyo, do you?
Stop linking that site, it will be removed everytime you put it up.
On another note, what the hell is up with that clip? and not to mention Light's face.
I know that this site is not correct that because 2-3 days after
This link turn to a 404 Hentai link :/
that why now i deleted the link when the RAW out
About that clip/gif
It's just Light, laughing again
So can any1 spoiler what happened?
Light Meet L and it will be very interesting :)
Cai Calamigarde
2006-11-29, 02:32
interesting indeed...
but i can not guess the potential of this event in this eps...
maybe we'll learn much more in 10
Cooldude
2006-11-29, 05:48
The next couple of episodes are gonna be brillant, best part of the series IMO
I believe this episode could have been handled better, but still its staying true to the original story and doing a good job. The scene in the test was something i've been looking forward to since the start - death stares all around. :3
As for the presentation Doesn't L say what he says to Light as they're walking of stage? I think thats a lot better then what happened in the anime.. it just didn't leave that much of an impact this time around
Next episode should be good to see 'cause its time for a spot of Tennis.
Itachikun
2006-11-29, 12:00
Contact
Great episode, love the whole red vs blue hair thing going on. It was insane, also the music was great, definitly picking up the OST, and Light's laugh is still crazy as usual. But when he laughs, I always think of Tameki Suou, he cant have such an evil laugh, not my precious Suou.
This covers chapters 18 and 19, and a page from 20 ( the shinigami realm scene), still the whole "I'm L" thing wasnt that great and hyped up as you would think it was. Still it gave me goosebumps.
White Manju Bun
2006-12-01, 01:08
Contact
Great episode, love the whole red vs blue hair thing going on. It was insane, also the music was great, definitly picking up the OST, and Light's laugh is still crazy as usual. But when he laughs, I always think of Tameki Suou, he cant have such an evil laugh, not my precious Suou.
I think the same thing, especially when Light kinda giggles.
This epi had one of my fav scenes from the manga in it
When Light turns around and sees L sitting behind him!!! Totally awesome!
I love when the show the Shinigami world, death gods playing cards is funny
Just when I think this anime cant get any better it does. Zomg I just love this!! Epi deserves a 10!
This was pretty good - that was a very bold move L pulled off - never saw that one coming :p And i must say it was quite brilliant from L. Light really is in a pinch now - he can't do anything. Things will be pretty interesting from now on. This show has definitely surpased my expectations. Light was definitely cought off-guard in the ceremony.
Oh, and our poor death god is truly miserable - Light has him eating out of his hand :P Literally.
very ironic, yeah - normally ryuk is just an observer, but light can use the apple addiciton to manipulate ryuk into helping him some.
Setsuchan
2006-12-01, 12:38
I liked this episode,especially the part when Light turned around and saw L sitting behind him XD
But I tought this episode was kinda 'ugly' drawn >3>
Deathkillz
2006-12-01, 14:01
oh wow this ep was really dramatic!
light was totally pissed about losing this round of the battle to L...i never thought that L would be crazy enough to do it O.o soo funny the way they are both portrayed at the ceremony...how ironic that their outside appearence contridicts their inner thoughts ^_^
and light was about to go insane when i got back home and snapped at poor ryuk...man the shimigamis have it harsh :p first no apples now being threatened by humans omg! :heh:
i chuckled a bit when ryuk said that he was going to write light's name into the death note himself :p
Kisuke06
2006-12-01, 15:32
This one was another very good episode. L telling to Light who he is was quite unexpected IMO, and now he has totally cornered Light.
And in next episode is tennis time! I wonder how L plays tennis. :heh:
hitokirigirl
2006-12-01, 16:22
OMG,
I think I freaked out 100 times more than Raito. I never expected L to tell him directly.
The first half of the eps annoys me seriously : L is suspecting Raito to be Kira with no rational facts. He said it later : he's rather using his intuition and "feeling" that Raito is no ordinary top-student....You liar, look at yourself;you're even more suspcious :heh:
The way they are starting college together must be awesome : being buddy-buddy at day and enemies at night will be sure a hell.
At least, Kira might relax a bit, since he can now survey L every day at school ^^"
Wow, still freaked.
wingdarkness
2006-12-01, 17:08
Just another flooring episode from the best anime out right now perhaps the best psycological murder mystery I've ever seen in anime...
Let's just get to the heart...L's plan was ridiculously ingenious even if he has no clue Light is "Kira"...It was as much a shock to me as it was to Light and ups the ante in every way...While Light is getting a little freaky with his mad-scientist laff he still has been forced to play a defensive role...Now he's gonna accept it and play L's game, but still he's boxed-in and will have to be nearly flawless from this point out...L's earlier deduction was jaw-dropping and amazing as he pondered if "Kira" even existed --That he's so good it may be divinity...He later backtracks which in-turns leads him to his plan against "Kira"...
It's so funny because Light could easily give-up the Deathnote and quit (I mean isn't this too much trouble?), but I find it so ineteresting that he really wants to become God...At first it seemed as if he was purely intoxicated with power and arrogance, but it seems as if he feels he was chosen to change this world or something, and he won't give that goal up...This budding chessgame is par the course now...
What was really special to me about this episode was the presentation of everything, the music, the slow-mo effects, the out-of-body theatrics... Seldom have I watched an anime with this much action in the form of normal happenings (I.e. Light eating chips, L vs. Light just sitting down looking at one another)...The artistic expressionism this episode was absolutley brilliant...
"Whatcha' gonna do now Light? I thought you had the upperhand, but L even made me look like a fool this week for supporting your L33tness...His overikill analysis is actually working, but is this simply a battle he's winning or is a war?"
Holy sh!t, that was crazy... so many plot twists in one ep.
To the poster above me, Death Note is surely a top notch Anime in it's genre. But my vote still goes to Monster, being the best crime/murder thriller.
It was for sure a good episode. Didn't expect that!
wingdarkness
2006-12-01, 19:38
Holy sh!t, that was crazy... so many plot twists in one ep.
To the poster above me, Death Note is surely a top notch Anime in it's genre. But my vote still goes to Monster, being the best crime/murder thriller.
Well I haven't seen Monster (although I've heard lots about it and intend at some point to watch it), but I don't mean murder mystery in the classic or literal sense...I mean I consider something like Detective Conan more superior than DeathNote if we're talking purely "whodunnit" type of murder mysteries...What I'm morso saying about Deathnote is the psycological warfare between individuals that's on the level of something like Sherlock Holmes and Professor Moriarty with the back-drop of a highly spritual, LARGE-SCALE murder-thriller...it's not like "The Butler did it...", it's far more expansive than a single murder thriller or mystery while being epic and quaint at the same time...So I really meant the psycology of a scenerio that's far more unique than some Hardy Boys murder mystery...
On another note I really need to watch Monster because I've heard such great things, just never got around to watching it...The episode count kinda scares me because I might watch all 70 plus in a row if it's that good and I can't afford to waste much more of my life other than a heavy dose of all the animes I like once a week...
Nice episode.
As people have pointed out, the voice can seem, odd at times. When I read the manga I imagined more of a crisp, clear, confident, and somewhat deeper voice, none of this theatrical "elegance" that I sense in this VA's voice. I think this fits better in situations like where you see Light laugh. In the anime, his laugh is so high-pitched he sounds like a clown, or maybe feminine, in a way which leaves you with the impression that it's just the laugh of a crazy idiot, when you were expecting an evil genius; in other words, a let-down.
The first ~20 seconds before the episode "began" (that is, the flashbacks before the episode title "Contact") came off somewhat ridiculous... It cuts to Light looking at a half-naked woman in a magazine with dramatic music as Chief Yagami is incredulous, then cuts to Light giggling inwardly as he opens the potato chips, then his famous line that ends in "take out a potato chip and eat it!" lol...
The echo effect when L told Light his identity was a bit too much, but still okay. It was an interesting effect to see them slow down time in order to play out Light's thoughts well. Although they exaggerated the shaking, I'm sure, since there's no way Light would be able to physically shake like that without L noticing.
So yeah, all in all very enjoyable. A lot of things were exactly like I imagined they would be.
OMG, I think I freaked out 100 times more than Raito. I never expected L to tell him directly.
Heheh, personally, I still found the moment when Light declared to Ray Penbar that he was Kira to be freakier, just because it was so out of the blue. My first thought was that he was simply going to shadow the man.
But yes, this was really awesome too. First, seeing those tell-tale unshod toes and - wow ... L has guts. I was expecting Light and L to meet up eventually, but hardly this soon. The story keeps upping the ante, and hardly an episode ever passes without the situation and circumstances being completely flipped on their heads.
Two thumbs up!
The first ~20 seconds before the episode "began" (that is, the flashbacks before the episode title "Contact") came off somewhat ridiculous... It cuts to Light looking at a half-naked woman in a magazine with dramatic music as Chief Yagami is incredulous...
I agree that that moment was really quite ridiculous. You've got a story about a few men of the law risking their lives to capture a megalomaniac serial killer - and in the backdrop of epic music, you have a father staring in utter disbelief as his teenaged son flips through that magazine. It does seem pretty exaggerated.
While I liked L before what took place in this episode, his actions here were what really cemented him as my favorite character.
To explain, Light does so many things that I find hard to swallow as coming from a "genius". No matter how many times the narrative tries to tell me how brilliant he is, I still think killing the FBI agents was utterly moronic and the TV in the bag of chips was a dumb move. Killing Lind was another one of those "what are you doing, idiot?!" moments for me. I also can't quite buy his winning over a supposedly smart woman like Naomi so easily. (Though the episode in question was amazingly executed otherwise)
L, on the other hand...he just seems genuinely intelligent to me. When I think about what he does and why he does it, his actions not only make sense but I'm impressed by them. The moment where he told Light who he was in the manga completely shocked me, but it was a brilliant move. Every time I think about the carefully calculated risk, I literally shake my head in amazement.
Light can pull off his plans, but a lot of what he does ultimately seems so pointless or silly except in terms of moving the plot along.
karumofin
2006-12-01, 23:12
Well I haven't seen Monster (although I've heard lots about it and intend at some point to watch it), but I don't mean murder mystery in the classic or literal sense...I mean I consider something like Detective Conan more superior than DeathNote if we're talking purely "whodunnit" type of murder mysteries...What I'm morso saying about Deathnote is the psycological warfare between individuals that's on the level of something like Sherlock Holmes and Professor Moriarty with the back-drop of a highly spritual, LARGE-SCALE murder-thriller...it's not like "The Butler did it...", it's far more expansive than a single murder thriller or mystery while being epic and quaint at the same time...So I really meant the psycology of a scenerio that's far more unique than some Hardy Boys murder mystery...
On another note I really need to watch Monster because I've heard such great things, just never got around to watching it...The episode count kinda scares me because I might watch all 70 plus in a row if it's that good and I can't afford to waste much more of my life other than a heavy dose of all the animes I like once a week...
From reading your post it becomes clear that you will HAVE to watch monster sooner or later. Light and L might be smart, but none of what ive seen so far comes even close to the analytic genius that is johan ;)
I would compare both shows as well. However, I heard that Death Note will turn bad pretty soon, while Monster stayed equally ingenious throughout every one of the 70+ episodes, so at the end of the day my vote would go for it as well.
But well, so far all 9 Episodes were great, so lets see when the quality starts to decrease.
retardation
2006-12-01, 23:52
why did he take out the cameras and bugs? i know he doesn't need them in there anymore but it wouldn't hurt just to keep them.
I watched the first 20 eps of monster and wasn't at all impressed by it, and stopped watching. Death Note is bounds ahead of it IMO.
This episode was indeed another awesome one, will be crazy to see them being friends during the day, trying to manipulate each other into giving themselves up and at night trying to decipher the day learning more about each other. Can't wait.
Deathkillz
2006-12-02, 03:57
why did he take out the cameras and bugs? i know he doesn't need them in there anymore but it wouldn't hurt just to keep them.
because he wanted light (who he suspects might be kira) to act normal again and by removing the cam/bugs it means to him that hes off the hook and can start killing in peace again...
but this is followed by what happenes next in this ep...
anselfir
2006-12-02, 04:38
From reading your post it becomes clear that you will HAVE to watch monster sooner or later. Light and L might be smart, but none of what ive seen so far comes even close to the analytic genius that is johan ;)
I would compare both shows as well. However, I heard that Death Note will turn bad pretty soon, while Monster stayed equally ingenious throughout every one of the 70+ episodes, so at the end of the day my vote would go for it as well.
But well, so far all 9 Episodes were great, so lets see when the quality starts to decrease.
hopefully the contrived situations become more realistic. I dont want to see TV in potato chips ever again, come on.
edit: oh great, where did L pull that 5% from, I really dislike that fake empiricism. -______-
Is it me, or did the animation quality suffer a bit?
This episode didn't seem quite as smooth as the last few.
the animation quality definitely dropped by abit, though its not to the point where its unwatchable. Im still kinda curious tho. WHy was ryuk so "surprised" that he was speechless when light went to university, rofl?
willem113
2006-12-02, 16:52
Damm this was a fine ep.
This was the first time i have seen Light that pissed off.
And for L to just come up to him and say: I am L,
toke some real guts.
Sinestra
2006-12-02, 18:05
Another brilliant episode i have to admit that L has some giant BALLZ to do what he did. But at this point i think whoever is willing to take the most risk is the one thats going to win. Playing it safe has worked for Kira so far but its not going to last forever. ITs already been shown that when you rattle Kira's buttons he becomes undone and that was most evident in this episode. The fact that Kira became distraught over these circumstances shows that L is playing for keeps and Kira did expect L to go that far.
I just finished downloading Deathnote the movie so i think ill check that out so i can satisfy deathnote cravings
Is it me, or did the animation quality suffer a bit?
This isn't the first episode to be like that. It seems as though a few episodes get the good treatment (Episode 01, Episode 07) and others don't. I'm not complaining 'cause at the end of the day animation doesn't make everything, though there where a few good scenes in episode 09 that would have looked good with the excellent quality we've seen in the past.
evil-samurai
2006-12-02, 18:35
Although Light laughing at the ending looked a little werid.. it was Great! :heh:
Watching L this time was Interesting! He kinda even freaks me out, and just the voice that he spoke in, to tell Light he was L was freaky. Still it cant beat the moment Light told Naomi he was Kira, that really was a sad way to be Die :/
Animation hasn't been to bad, I wasn't expecting extremely consistent animation from the show but still I get dissapointed >.> at least it isn't horrible as some shows this season.
pepitomilburn
2006-12-02, 18:55
This Anime just keeps me wanting more, all the twists and turns. I can't help but laugh whenever Light or L become frustrated for lacking behind the other! I love the intest feeling you get while watching.
Nice twist. I'm a bit disappointed at L though, for not using remote audio surveillance (without bugs in the house) after removing the bugs to put Light at ease in case he was Kira (we know he is, but L doesn't know that for sure yet). Remote audio surveillance would have cinched it ages ago for that matter. Guess it would cut the story too short eh. :p
Also... When L told him who he was, wasn't Light's closing of the eyes and clenching of the fists a tad suspicious? Seems to me L would notice little things like that.
Oh, and Light losing his cool - priceless.
Darkside
2006-12-02, 21:57
something I just noticed, though it's probably been going on for a few eps now. But in the intro during the part where it zooms in on Light's face and then L's while they are standing facing eachother in some corridor, it looks like they changed Light's eye color from it's normal red color to a gray seed-mode looking eye. Is that supposed to symbolize anything?
First thing first.
To the guy's bitching about the T.V in the bag and the 5 % statistic from L shut the hell up.
Putting the T.V in the bag was an ingenious trick tought up by Light. He realized that he might be forced to show in his house that he is studying and somehow kill criminals while it does not appear at all that he is watching T.V. He tought of that well a head of time and did this just amazingly simple trick. Opened the bag. Put the camer in. Glued it back up. BAM that is just damn smart.
Second the L comment i am not sure it is suppose to be 5%. I think the subbers MIGHT have messed up, because i saw the episode on You Tube and the one i watched said 50% instead of 5%.
Also 50% is an easy guess , because Light fills the critera of suspicious as hell:
a) student
b) dad working on Kira case
c) survailanced by Ray Penbar who died in a weird place looking into the subway train meaning Kira was there.
Second the episode was just awsome. I felt the tension here as well. The art suffered a bit, but it got the point across. I was too into watching to notice a small thing such as normal art instead of super art like in the other episodes.
I was really drawn into the episode especially when Light start thinking in his head during the college school meeting after he was told the guy next to him was L. He was freaking out.
NEXT THE TENIS MATCH OF DEATH!!!
It's 5%. You have to remember that the suspicions that Kira is a student connected to the NPA and that Kira made contact with Penbar are just suspicions. L has been following through on these leads but for all he knows, Kira could have planned the deaths to make it seems like he was a student and then done them every hour just to make fun of L for arriving at a conclusion he'd tricked L into reaching. There are also different ways Kira's actions in the Lind L. Tailor incident could be reinterpreted, as L himself evidenced by second-guessing himself briefly in episode 3. L had pretty much already made up his mind that although Kira killed supernaturally, murder is something human. Of course it's safe for L to start off with that assumption because if it's false then he would have great difficuly getting anywhere on the case. However, from there on, he's been pretty much just following any evidence he can, none of which has been certain, hoping that he's taking a correct lead and trusting his instincts, and so that's why in the end, all this only amounts to 5%. For all he knows, this whole situation will end in another coded message about fantastical beings eating round red objects. For instance, the assumption that Kira needs both a name and face to kill is one which he's believed since he analyzed the information released about the victims, and this is why what he's doing in approaching Yagami Light is a risk; for all he knows, Kira only needs a name to kill remotely, but can fix the death of someone if he can see their face within physical range, too, for instance. (And as it turns out, the eyes deal /would/ make L's assumption incorrect about needing both a face and a name, so it's fortunate that there's a price to pay for that as well the fact that Light-as-Kira can't kill him because it might not be L and he'd be putting himself under suspicion.)
This is a problem you run into when dealing with the supernatural in your detective work, and why Light should always have the advantage; when he knows exactly what L is capable of (things restricted within the laws of physics) but L doesn't know what he's capable of, he can account for everything while L can't.
For me the most priceless moment for this episode....
Comes when L sitting next to Light at the Toudai Welcome ceremony secretly whispers to Light not to reveal...
(L in an automated rush turns to face Light and his face is dead as stone)
... that he's 'L'.
The way the camera fixed the angle on L's fast neck movement and his stone-cold face achieved a marvelous, creepy effect.
It ranks to the top five most memorable moments in Death Note, on par with the drama effect of the potato chips that Light ate on the previous episode.
L knows that Kira won't be giving himself away while suspecting the surveillance cameras inside the house, thus playing with L's rules.
But I think that limiting and decreasing his activity with the Death Note and thus warranting the death of minor criminals, Light unintentionally had L's eyes sighting on him.
For L it was also either unintended or not part of the plan; I'm not saying that L suspects outright Light. However, by playing with L's rules, on the long run Light had himself compromised into a sensitive dilemma.
I knew that L would had either sooner or later to expose his identity, however, both his odd personality and quirks, although made him to stand out as a gross and off-put character by the standards of Japanese society, came both as a life-saver and punch kisser.
At first look on him, Light underestimated L to be an idiotic character just to be dismissed, however, when L approaches him to outright reveal his identity it served the purpose.
That purpose was to psychologically imbalance his targeted, potential suspect, though if putting on Kira's shoes L knew better that Kira would not had allowed his emotions to give him away.
I must commend Light for keeping his composure and not letting his honne blowing up his tatemae, perfect image.
This is more evolving into a battle of wits and images to judge how each character keeps their frail covers standing to insiduos, sneer assaults aiming more to outsmart each other and forcing one another to give into the pressure.
It might be weird, but to the girl who picked-up L as her idol, I think she made her choice fine, and how she liked it.
I'm very fond of L because of his off-the-way manners and quirks. It doesn't matter if he stands out from the rest of the crowd, L acknowledges himself to be quite childish but true to his personality and thoughtful of his limitations.
He walked right into the wolf's den, though still Light has not been revealed as Kira, but shook his opponent with fear and forcing Kira to change his plans.
Itachikun
2006-12-03, 00:46
Holy sh!t, that was crazy... so many plot twists in one ep.
To the poster above me, Death Note is surely a top notch Anime in it's genre. But my vote still goes to Monster, being the best crime/murder thriller.
Haha, I say give it time. It's still only 9 episodes. It gets better and better, and by the looks of the preview for episode 10, we get to see them play some Tennis!!! Cool
porchoky
2006-12-03, 02:31
Yeah, seriously... a 9.45 temp rating in anidb.... holy crap.
Intersting episode... if Light cant kill L, looks like hes going to have to wait until he graduates or something. L's too smart to give away any information regarding his group of detectives.
Pakxenon
2006-12-03, 05:04
l33t episode. The first half was a little boring, but the second half put this one at 12/10. Having to compromise with the first half, it comes out as a 10/10!~
Totally l33t. You've got your wacky pet shinigami, first? hair color changes, evil laughter, and the call of friendship! Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. ^^
hitokirigirl
2006-12-03, 15:04
For me the most priceless moment for this episode....
Comes when L sitting next to Light at the Toudai Welcome ceremony secretly whispers to Light not to reveal...
(L in an automated rush turns to face Light and his face is dead as stone)
... that he's 'L'.
The way the camera fixed the angle on L's fast neck movement and his stone-cold face achieved a marvelous, creepy effect.
It ranks to the top five most memorable moments in Death Note, on par with the drama effect of the potato chips that Light ate on the previous episode.
That's what freaked me out ^^"
L whispering voice is so......creepy.
Deathkillz
2006-12-03, 15:17
haha! yes that was the best scene! i was surprised that light didnt have a mental breakdown! XD
but then again he did have a babish tantrum when he got home :p
haha! yes that was the best scene! i was surprised that light didnt have a mental breakdown! XD
but then again he did have a babish tantrum when he got home :p
That tantrum scenes is one of the worst in the show, in my opinion.
It's supposed to show how psychotic Light is, but all it does is leave some questions unanswered and in a way destroy how the viewer perceives Light (as a calm, calculating killer).
That tantrum scenes is one of the worst in the show, in my opinion.
It's supposed to show how psychotic Light is, but all it does is leave some questions unanswered and in a way destroy how the viewer perceives Light (as a calm, calculating killer).
And the inward maniacal laughing while opening a bag of potato chips didn't already paint him as a bit off the deep end? Or how about his reaction to Lind calling him evil?
Light's tantrum was absolutely in character with what we've seen from him so far.
And the inward maniacal laughing while opening a bag of potato chips didn't already paint him as a bit off the deep end? Or how about his reaction to Lind calling him evil?
Light's tantrum was absolutely in character with what we've seen from him so far.
I never said it was out of character.
I said it was a bit over-the-top and really added nothing to the flow of the story. I'd say more, but then I'd be bringing up the manga.
FatPianoBoy
2006-12-03, 23:30
So, I guess round one goes to L. Introducing himself to Light was absolute genius; so obvious and ballsy that it doesn't even enter most people's heads. However, like Light kept spazzing about, L basically just got free life insurance. L probably didn't notify the police department that he'd do this, so Light could off him if he got his name, but Light has to assume he did. I think even Ryuk is a little concerned about where it'll go from here.
anselfir
2006-12-03, 23:55
I dont think this is proper behavior by L at all. Remember he does not know about Kira's full capabilities, and to cast himself as a suspicious suspect for being L, who is hunted by a guy who can kill through undefined means, in such a direct fashion, is a highly risky move. Take out Light's reactions, and consider on what basis L made the move, and it seems clear to me that this is an artificially created dramatic moment.
the critical irrationalities in L's thinking are:
1st, believing he has the necessary leverages over Kira, which includes:
a highly specific, presumed limit on kira's powers. how does he know that kira cannot have tricks up his sleeves? The shinigami eye deal for example, or some other way of killing or finding out names. Everything here is possible for Kira, or at least L must consider all that is strictly impossible, which is still pretty dangerous. He has the burden of proof, not kira. Why doesn't kira simply bust out some moves to kill L? because it would ruin the story? when was he aware that he's in a contrived story in teh first place? Any time that the "this is a story" argument is used, you don't have a story. For something like an undefined power like the death note, the ability to produce limits on kira's powers are unlimited, and one would be tempted to do so just to get a situation of interest, but do it less obviously please. -__-
according to Light's take on the situation, which we can assume to be L's way of saying how he would put risk on kira. We have some sort of semi official police investigation against a killer with unnatural powers. Why does he presume that the police is enough to catch or kill kira, and why does he think what kira tries would necessarily attract the police attention.
then, we have the assumption of a risk-valuing kira. No matter what L does to deter the potential kira, it is still a deterrence by risk. If kira ignores the risk, then L is basically fucked. gg no re. What makes L so sure that kira is not reckless, as he had shown with the taylor situation?
2nd, believing he can prevent a rumor from circulating
frankly, if this is done in a normal college, it would be spread as a rumor, and L would cause complications for himself. Certainly a story can be made of a curious student following L around or something, and here some more "this is a story" argument are needed.
That the situation turned out in his favor as a stalemate is more luck than anything else, in other words, a contrived situation. That the story is set up as a cooly conducted criminal investigation and not a wtf is happening and everyone freaks out situation as suggested by the undefined power of the supernatural deathnote is just an adherence to an irrational rationalism that plagues much of intelligent society today, a simple and comfortable intepretation of the world that has but arbitrary truthfulness.
Darashinai
2006-12-04, 07:29
I did not see that coming whatsoever...
...but I knew L was going to do something interesting when he was thinking internally after meeting with the officers. He rationalized that Kira, as frightening and unfathomable as his powers are, is not a god, but a human. He acknowledged that he could use this as an advantage, but also that someone would have to get killed. Not the dozens of people Kira's been killing, but someONE he could observe, as in himself or someone in the position of Lind. So instead of putting someone else's life on the line, he put his own.
But anselfir mentioned this before I could, and that's right - what guarantee does L have that Light won't tell this to anyone or that someone might have overheard him? (There were lots of eyes on them even as they were sitting down). I'm sure not only Kira wants to kill the agent known as L.
And for that matter, why is L's admition important anyways? No Japanese person would ever be named L. Let's be realistic...just this once. :rolleyes:
anselfir
2006-12-04, 15:03
Before this episode there were contrived moments, but only insignificant details, such as the potato chip tv (looool, seriously) and 64 cameras (buy one get one free yo), but to set up a major plotline like this is pretty risky, hopefully they will execute it well.
Darklightz
2006-12-04, 18:03
the critical irrationalities in L's thinking are:
1st, believing he has the necessary leverages over Kira, which includes:
a highly specific, presumed limit on kira's powers. how does he know that kira cannot have tricks up his sleeves?
When Kira killed Lind L Taylor,L found that Kira would respond to confrontation.But when the FBI agents died,it told L a clear message that Kira is afraid of being caught,meaning that he can get caught.A person with a completely fullproof way of killing wouldn't care how many detectives were watching him.
When the 2 families were under surveillance and Kira only killed 2 minor criminals,it told L that Kira cannot simply kill anyone he wants,he needs to gather information first.The fact that Kira only killed 2 minor criminals shows that as his access to information is restricted,so is his range of targets.
Additionnally,through all this L came to know Kira as someone methodical who careful think each of his moves.With all this information,L could put his life on the line,knowing that if he died at the school ceremony or shortly after,then Light is Kira,because he would be the only one to have information about him outside the investigation team,but also the assurance that if Light is Kira,he wouldn't dare kill him yet.
I really liked how L whispered to Kira during the ceremony.It sounded really creepy,but with a face like his,I guess he can make anything sound creepy!
I"m looking forward to the Prince of Tennis episode.
If so, then why did L himself do it? Why didn't he send another of his men?
Unnecessary risk.
FatPianoBoy
2006-12-04, 18:32
If so, then why did L himself do it? Why didn't he send another of his men?
Unnecessary risk.
Age. None of the other detectives could pass for college students. Going to Light's school is a good way to keep close tabs on him without being too blatant about it. Yes, he is being blatant by telling him that he's L, but that's a necessary move to get close to him. If Light backs away from someone he admires, it's a giveaway. Therefore, Light has no choice but to keep L around. L is even safer than the other agents working on the case, because if Light were to kill him, he'd dig his own grave as well because Light has to assume that the rest of the force knows what L is doing and are watching to see what happens. Even if Light were to write up a death other than a heart attack, it would still be extremely suspicious, and considering the department has no other leads at this point, they'd be after him in full force.
That's a terribly poor excuse.
Since he planned to tell Light he's L, there's no need to actually enroll in the school. If I remember correctly, they don't even really share any classes.
Besides, an older cop could go as a grad student or a teacher. As a teacher, he'd have even more administrative access. L DOES command the world's police, after all. He should have no problem setting these things up. Silly he had to take the test too.
The way I see it, this entire encounter is contrived and does nothing more than serve as a cheesy dramatic device. It doesn't really add to the storyline. It's just convenient to pull off for some "wow!".
Deathkillz
2006-12-04, 19:07
That's a terribly poor excuse.
Since he planned to tell Light he's L, there's no need to actually enroll in the school. If I remember correctly, they don't even really share any classes.
Besides, an older cop could go as a grad student or a teacher. As a teacher, he'd have even more administrative access. L DOES command the world's police, after all. He should have no problem setting these things up. Silly he had to take the test too.
The way I see it, this entire encounter is contrived and does nothing more than serve as a cheesy dramatic device. It doesn't really add to the storyline. It's just convenient to pull off for some "wow!".
2 words...psychological warfare...
how long do you think it will take anyone to breakdown when he/she is being looked upon all day everyday waiting for you to make a wrong move? L is trying to taunt light into doing something stupid and by giving him the crazy "death stare" it adds pressure for light not to screw up...his brain will be working overtime and hopefully loose it...but knowing how smart light is im sure he will try to think of something to come back...
FatPianoBoy
2006-12-04, 21:21
2 words...psychological warfare...
how long do you think it will take anyone to breakdown when he/she is being looked upon all day everyday waiting for you to make a wrong move? L is trying to taunt light into doing something stupid and by giving him the crazy "death stare" it adds pressure for light not to screw up...his brain will be working overtime and hopefully loose it...but knowing how smart light is im sure he will try to think of something to come back...
Beat me to it :p
Also, L is much sharper than anyone else on the force by a mile. The other officers may miss something. Plus, it's just his personal hunch. It could be that he wants to take responsibility for the FBI agents and not put others in danger on his whims.
If you've ever played the game Go (as in Hikaru no Go), you'd see what was going on here. L has basically just created life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_%28board_game%29#Strategy) for himself. This show has been compared to chess, but I think Go is a much better parallel.
Blargh, you guys win.
I still don't like it as a plot twist though. Now that anonymity is lost, it's less interesting to me at least. It's probably the converse for most of you =P
anselfir
2006-12-04, 23:36
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what you have said is what they want you to think, but they suggest this to you in such cheap ways such as character voice overs, nonsequitur explanations of "self evidence," and basic stereotypes like mad genius is always right. The data simply will not provide for these easy solutions. To the audience, the deductions may seem vigorous, but really they are proceeding in a contrived and artificial way.
When Kira killed Lind L Taylor,L found that Kira would respond to confrontation.But when the FBI agents died,it told L a clear message that Kira is afraid of being caught,meaning that he can get caught.A person with a completely fullproof way of killing wouldn't care how many detectives were watching him.
Why was the death of the FBI agent sending that clear message? It could just be that kira is smacking them in the face, and not merely afraid of getting caught. To suppose kira is in a position of weakness, and hiding from the authorities like a petty criminal, is to totally ignore the unexplored potential of the death note. Really, I see a naturalistic rationality here not unlike those who were afraid of falling down from a round earth. The serious non sequitur like "he is afraid of getting caught, therefore he can get caught." can you suppose that he is afraid of getting caught without assuming that he can be caught, and therefore engage in circular logic?
When the 2 families were under surveillance and Kira only killed 2 minor criminals,it told L that Kira cannot simply kill anyone he wants,he needs to gather information first.The fact that Kira only killed 2 minor criminals shows that as his access to information is restricted,so is his range of targets.
Light had scheduled deaths several days ahead of time, so there were people dying at a normal rate, even when he was under surveillance, otherwise he would be busted. The 2 petty criminals were there just to provide him with an alibi, that these guys died when he apparantly had no access to their information, and therefore he is in the clear. This does not reveal any information about kira's limited abilities if light is not assumed to be kira. The type of information here is purely risky. According to L himself, to assume kira's power is limited using this information has a risk of 95%+.
Additionnally,through all this L came to know Kira as someone methodical who careful think each of his moves.
No. Maybe he believes that this is the case, and the audience may trust him for various reasons, but the story itself is not the cause of this gigantic leap of insight. Certainly L is struggling to figure out Kira, but he started off from scratch, and has essentially no bounds. Ryuk could have killed the same guys Light killed, in the same manner, just to toy with L, and L would not know it. That his particular naturalistic rationality happens to coincide more or less with reality (imagine if L got confused for a slight second, and went on a wild goose chase The show would be ruined, of course, but how realistic is L deducing everything right, really, considering he has so little to start off with) is a contrived part of the story, and I am increasingly irked by how forced it gets.
With all this information,L could put his life on the line,knowing that if he died at the school ceremony or shortly after,then Light is Kira,because he would be the only one to have information about him outside the investigation team,but also the assurance that if Light is Kira,he wouldn't dare kill him yet.Eh? what information? That Kira kills by some pattern? Responding to L's moves? L must be a real expert about women then, able to comprehend every vague detail that remotely reminds him of something absolutely accurately as to put his life on the line against an unknown power. Good luck L, nice knowing ya.
because he would be the only one to have information about him outside the investigation teamI'm highlighting this. So what? So the chief police guy's son had a conversation with L, in the middle of a thousand people, and therefore it is enough to arrest the chief police guy's son? Seriously, with L dead, the investigation would die, and Light would be in the clear, since there is simply not enough evidence to make him suspicious, much less to convict him. It is the fact that Light doesn't know whether L is telling the truth or not that's preventing him from striking. That detail, is not dependent on what L knows(a story-based development, L's knowledge is built up from story events), but what Light is, which is manipulated easily by limiting the power of the death note. It is not that Light is afraid of what will happen if he really kills L. The deterrence only works if L is alive and can use that information to form his own judgments, after that he will try to collect enough evidence to convince a jury or something, who knows how the legal system works in this.
So, they are moving way too fast here. L made a boneheaded decision, got lucky because of the limits of the death note, and the audience buys it, all applause!
I dont think this is proper behavior by L at all. Remember he does not know about Kira's full capabilities, and to cast himself as a suspicious suspect for being L, who is hunted by a guy who can kill through undefined means, in such a direct fashion, is a highly risky move. Take out Light's reactions, and consider on what basis L made the move, and it seems clear to me that this is an artificially created dramatic moment.
the critical irrationalities in L's thinking are:
1st, believing he has the necessary leverages over Kira, which includes:
a highly specific, presumed limit on kira's powers. how does he know that kira cannot have tricks up his sleeves? The shinigami eye deal for example, or some other way of killing or finding out names. Everything here is possible for Kira, or at least L must consider all that is strictly impossible, which is still pretty dangerous. He has the burden of proof, not kira. Why doesn't kira simply bust out some moves to kill L? because it would ruin the story? when was he aware that he's in a contrived story in teh first place? Any time that the "this is a story" argument is used, you don't have a story. For something like an undefined power like the death note, the ability to produce limits on kira's powers are unlimited, and one would be tempted to do so just to get a situation of interest, but do it less obviously please. -__-
according to Light's take on the situation, which we can assume to be L's way of saying how he would put risk on kira. We have some sort of semi official police investigation against a killer with unnatural powers. Why does he presume that the police is enough to catch or kill kira, and why does he think what kira tries would necessarily attract the police attention.
then, we have the assumption of a risk-valuing kira. No matter what L does to deter the potential kira, it is still a deterrence by risk. If kira ignores the risk, then L is basically fucked. gg no re. What makes L so sure that kira is not reckless, as he had shown with the taylor situation?
2nd, believing he can prevent a rumor from circulating
frankly, if this is done in a normal college, it would be spread as a rumor, and L would cause complications for himself. Certainly a story can be made of a curious student following L around or something, and here some more "this is a story" argument are needed.
That the situation turned out in his favor as a stalemate is more luck than anything else, in other words, a contrived situation. That the story is set up as a cooly conducted criminal investigation and not a wtf is happening and everyone freaks out situation as suggested by the undefined power of the supernatural deathnote is just an adherence to an irrational rationalism that plagues much of intelligent society today, a simple and comfortable intepretation of the world that has but arbitrary truthfulness.
Narrowing your search to a few ppl.
Finding one that is too perfect.
Telling him your name (that is fake of course) that resembles a pop idol.
If the person who is under suspision by you first won't kill you because when he does immediately he would be busted.
Two he would probably kill the idol....pretty good logic here to me
Life is like a chess game. In a chess game the BEST moves are ones that defend and let you attack on your next turn. Imagine what they are doing as the most complicated chess game ever played up so far in humanity's existance.
anselfir
2006-12-04, 23:59
L cannot contain the chess game as a two person interaction. What he did was not only telling Light that he is L, with its implications if Light is kira, but also releasing that information to the world, which would have its own implications. not that he had any idea of what he was dealing with when he tells a potential kira that he is L, arousing the guy's attention. The last thing you'd want to to do when confronting a guy who is killing hundreds of people without laying a finger on them is to arouse their suspicion. Seriously, he had no reliable leverage at all to speak of.
Why would anyone else around them, assuming they did overhear him, believe that L is L? Why would they even care? Do you think the general public keeps track of a man who has only appeared once (in a certain area) in conjuction with the Kira case? Isn't it more likely they'd brush him off as some weirdo?
Saying who he is only really has meaning for Light. Whether he is Kira or the dutiful son of a police officer who is following the case.
anselfir
2006-12-05, 00:50
Why should L take that risk. Light may simply "blog" about this and make it some kind of phenomenon, who knows. What kind of info can L expect out of this move, except maybe, upon realizing he is a part of the show, he did this to add more exciting ACTION!!
Which is all fine and dandy, but come on, let's slow down for a bit.
Arkwright
2006-12-05, 02:47
I thought a bit about this plot point (why L reveals himself to Light.) I remember enjoying this moment in the manga and it transferred well to the anime.
The point was brought up that L is making an unnecessary risk here, if Kira has powers that have not been seen yet. However, for all L knows, Kira is already able to strike him down and is just toying with him (the shinigami eat apples message.) L knows even if he is not working against a god, it has some unknown ability to kill. Knowing this, Kira could have any range of powers, so avoiding a possible lead because it may lead to personal risk may prove ultimately fruitless because Kira may very well be able to kill him on a whim even if he doesn't take that risk, so the reasoning "L shouldn't do this in case of hidden powers" doesn't really work out for L.
So, L decides to work with what information he has, as no other information is available. Light stands out the most to him as a suspect, and is just now entering college, an opportunity for L to observe first hand. A proxy would be better, but he would be unable to witness Kira murdering for himself, which he has decided is necessary to convict him. Meanwhile, he introduces himself to Light as a shield against the powers he knows about (again, other powers are possible, but this has to be disregarded.) So, what if Light tells others?
If Light is not Kira, as the dutiful police chief's son he respects L and would likely not reveal this information to others. If Light is Kira, he gains immunity from Kira for the moment, in case he is a proxy. Also, the chances of people believing he is L are low; these claims of "I saw L" may show up on the internet fairly regularly. Kira might hire people to kill L with more conventional means, but this would still point suspicion towards Light as he is the only one who has been told who L is. (Also, L may be carrying bugs or cameras on his person.)
I'm enjoying this series so far, but I do have a couple nitpicks... Much of it is very well done, but I am sometimes confused with the way they open episodes. This episode didn't need a recap and it seemed somewhat absurd with the dramatic music. Meanwhile, I thought episode 6 where L introduces himself to the police should have had a recap including parts of the cliffhanger ending of episode 5, but instead it started right off with L and the police, while I thought it would have been stronger with some buildup beforehand. The opening theme helps to fix problems with the beginnings of episodes, though.
Also, I found the animation to be a little annoying when Light and Ryuk are leaving the ceremony, but it didn't last too long.
Other than those 2 points I thought the episode was done very well, especially the second half.
anselfir
2006-12-05, 03:32
then you are destroying any rational argument over kira's powers. the case is that the limit is not specific enough with the evidences available to L for him to take the highly incremental risk of showing himself in public and at least showing the slightest suspicion of himself being L. This is such a great contrast with when L was being so so secretive so as to avoid even seeing the police.
This is a highly important plot twist that is justified just to create a situation of confrontation. I understand the work is an art, and we are being shown a personal conflict between the two lead characters, however, with each, they are drawn up by convenient devices (such as the mysterious aura surrounding L, and his quirks, showing some deviant character and talent that operates beyond human understanding, so the audience is expected to eat from L's hand, or brain), even more so for L, since his character is the one driving the story (the progress of the investigation is the story, hence L must be able to make progress, or something must happen in the investigation, in order for there to be a show).
Anyways, this is not my biggest complaint about the show. I can ignore these plot devices, but for Light's character to be so simply drawn, without showing any internal struggle over this issue, makes death note lose much of its potential. What would one do, he who can control death, that should be the theme, not some contrived action sequence, which it is increasingly becoming apparently.
I have to admit that my initial reaction was incredulity. The situation seemed off to me somehow because it didn't fit with the over-cautious profile L had established for himself.
Then I thought about it some more and I became more comfortable with it and started to appreciate the gutsiness and daring of the move. L really had no other leads besides the people Ray was investigating. L, by his own admission, is childish and hates to lose. I think this just shows the desperation of L.
In ordinary murder cases, there are so many tools and analysis available from DNA tracking, to munition tracking, to autopsy reports, etc... There is nothing like that here. L has to force the action. He has strong suspicions that's backed by circumstantial evidence but he really has no solid evidence of anything. He's concluded that he can't progress any further unless he takes more drastic measures to "create" the clues he needs.
At the very least, he'll eliminate Light from his short list of suspects so he can go back to the drawing board.
I'm highlighting this. So what? So the chief police guy's son had a conversation with L, in the middle of a thousand people, and therefore it is enough to arrest the chief police guy's son? Seriously, with L dead, the investigation would die, and Light would be in the clear, since there is simply not enough evidence to make him suspicious, much less to convict him. It is the fact that Light doesn't know whether L is telling the truth or not that's preventing him from striking. That detail, is not dependent on what L knows(a story-based development, L's knowledge is built up from story events), but what Light is, which is manipulated easily by limiting the power of the death note. It is not that Light is afraid of what will happen if he really kills L. The deterrence only works if L is alive and can use that information to form his own judgments, after that he will try to collect enough evidence to convince a jury or something, who knows how the legal system works in this.
So, they are moving way too fast here. L made a boneheaded decision, got lucky because of the limits of the death note, and the audience buys it, all applause!
given the situation, if L were to die, the investigation would still remain. L may be the only viable character that can track down Kira at this point but if the murders were to continue after L's disappearance, someone or some people would just pick off where he left off. i'm sure Light's father wouldn't give up on the case. I don't know much about the rest of Kira team because they seem to depend too much on L. criminals dying at a continuing rate isnt something you can just ignore.
anselfir
2006-12-06, 15:53
Of course, but Light wouldn't be fucked over if L died, that's the point.
This is the best Chapter so far IMHO:
The use of the Blue and Red (well, L looked really freaky),
The first Eye contact between L and Light,
How Light kept his cool when L told him about Him been L (:D I bet most of you first time People seen Death Note were shocked by this bold move).
This Chapter Script was so good, I was not even bothered by the sub par Animation. This Anime team is doing a great job at the adaptation, and this is only the beginning.
2nd, believing he can prevent a rumor from circulating
frankly, if this is done in a normal college, it would be spread as a rumor, and L would cause complications for himself. Certainly a story can be made of a curious student following L around or something, and here some more "this is a story" argument are needed.
How could the rumor about The real L circulate in the University? , Just because of Light, and L knows very well that Light (or Kira for that matter) would not do this type of Childish maneuver.
L decided to present himself to Light because He knows Lights physiological Background and His ties with The investigation (his Father), as a University gossip started by light, would only hurt him more in terms of the suspicious cast on him.
If I were an Investigator, I would be asking myself, Why Light, the son of someone who is in this case, be telling everyone such confidential information? Reason: He has something against me or the people in the investigation.
And why he feels that way, when he helped before the Police to take down evil and he is supposed to be someone with strong sense of Justice?then this answer will only elevate the suspicions on him been Kira.
And its true the move was risky because L does not know about some things as the Shimigami eyes; However, up to this point of the investigating, he has shown everything he can do or the limits of his powers, So there is very low possibility he can kill me (L) when I present myself with a fake name, and if he does Gets to Kill me, he would be trapped, because I already presented myself.
Anyone that Comes close to Light and Dies in a strange matter, only helps to fuel more the idea of Kira been Light.
anselfir
2006-12-07, 07:03
How could the rumor about The real L circulate in the University? , Just because of Light, and L knows very well that Light (or Kira for that matter) would not do this type of Childish maneuver.
Light is a high school kid. L doesn't see the stuff that teh audience sees, and he would have no information to allow him to say, nah, Light isn't this loose.
Anyone that Comes close to Light and Dies in a strange matter, only helps to fuel more the idea of Kira been Light.
Light would not be in a more dire situation if L died. There is not enough knowledge on Kira's powers to conclude definitely that the killer is from the surroundings, although what can we expect from criminal investigation shows that seem to think the standard for making investigation leads is just whatever reason the audience would accept. Unless L made some kind of "if i die wreck this Light kid" note before he died, Light wont get too much flak. But in any case, there ae too many undefined things for us to speculate beyond L's death, the most important being the full scope of L's little adventure, whether the police knows it, whether there are backup plans, etc. With the available evidence it is pretty much clear that the show expects the audience to accept it, but I do not think they have provided enough support for this endeavor.
Light is a high school kid. L doesn't see the stuff that teh audience sees, and he would have no information to allow him to say, nah, Light isn't this loose.
No he isnt, Light is and University Grown Man, didn’t you watch this Episode? they are University student, not only that, but Light has shown he has a maturity above your normal 18 Year old.
If L has been investigating Light, he sees more about Light than we the audience sees, So he pretty much could tell weather someone as Light could be trusted with this info, just wiht the fact that his father is part of the investigating team of Kira, is sufficient enought o trust Light wiht it.
L is the best investigator in the Planet, a Brilliant mind that understand the human Physcology, so he knew very well that Light would not be spreading his secret.
Light would not be in a more dire situation if L died.
I did not say he would be in a more dire situation, I said: “Anyone that Comes close to Light and Dies in a strange matter, only helps to fuel more the idea of Kira been Light.”
Meaning if it was 5% before, it could elevate to 10%. The chances of a hunch about something will not put Light in a predicament, it will only elevate the suspicious on him.
There is not enough knowledge on Kira's powers to conclude definitely that the killer is from the surroundings, although what can we expect from criminal investigation shows that seem to think the standard for making investigation leads is just whatever reason the audience would accept. Unless L made some kind of "if i die wreck this Light kid" note before he died, Light wont get too much flak.
Yes, there is Everything there is to know About what Kira can kill from L's perspective, if there were something more to it, then Kira would had already killed L a long time ago, but still L is alive. So basically L has decipher this, as we know its on the mark.
Even if L did not left any Note about if he dye, the suspicious of Kira been Light would only be elevated, and not stay the same or diminish.
But in any case, there ae too many undefined things for us to speculate beyond L's death, the most important being the full scope of L's little adventure, whether the police knows it, whether there are backup plans, etc. With the available evidence it is pretty much clear that the show expects the audience to accept it, but I do not think they have provided enough support for this endeavor.
You are treating as L is some punk that does doesn’t know what he is doing, that’s just Wrong, he exactly knows what he is doing, Reason why A) He is still alive and he is not in any immediate danger, B) It puts Light on a very tight spot.
L moves prove to be a genius move as The Shown in this Episode, reason why Light lost his cool in this one. So pretty much We can speculate all you want, but one thing is certain And even mentioned in the series: If L dies now, it will only make Light a bigger Suspect of the case, that’s an irrefutable fact
If L died now, it doesn't matter if Light's a stronger suspect, because there'd be no one left that's competent enough to investigate him.
If L died now, it doesn't matter if Light's a stronger suspect, because there'd be no one left that's competent enough to investigate him.
You really think L is the only great detective in the world?
anselfir
2006-12-07, 13:28
L is the best investigator in the Planet, a Brilliant mind that understand the human Physcology, so he knew very well that Light would not be spreading his secret.
Honestly, college students > facebook > blogs >random parties > gossip. You know how information spread in a college. For L to deduce somehow that Light is someone who would keep things to himself, or, even take him seriously and not go "loooool I'm so blogging this joker" he indeed is a great genius. But I can understand if he did, just that the reasoning is weak and thin, resting on intuition more than anything.
I did not say he would be in a more dire situation, I said: “Anyone that Comes close to Light and Dies in a strange matter, only helps to fuel more the idea of Kira been Light.”
Meaning if it was 5% before, it could elevate to 10%. The chances of a hunch about something will not put Light in a predicament, it will only elevate the suspicious on him.
so L's death only carries a 5% risk to kira, great, i'll do it. The only thing L has going for him is that Light can't be sure that L is really L.
You are treating as L is some punk that does doesn’t know what he is doing, that’s just Wrong, he exactly knows what he is doing, Reason why A) He is still alive and he is not in any immediate danger, B) It puts Light on a very tight spot.no i'm not, read my post.
Would it matter if Light told everyone that "Hideki Ryuuga" was L? It's not as if anyone would believe him...
Honestly, college students > facebook > blogs >random parties > gossip. You know how information spread in a college.
The problem is that Light has shown no interest whatsoever in this, Don’t try and push it, is really easy to tell that Raito is not that immature to do that. you don’t have to be a world class detective to figure that he is not going to disclose L secret.
For L to deduce somehow that Light is someone who would keep things to himself, or, even take him seriously and not go "loooool I'm so blogging this joker" he indeed is a great genius. But I can understand if he did, just that the reasoning is weak and thin, resting on intuition more than anything.
Reason why I said before you think that L is some punk that does not know what he is doing, L is a genius detective who never failed a Case before, so deducting (not having Hunch) that Light will not gossip about this should be something easy for him to guess.
So, Basically, L did not acted on intuition, but using Reasonable logic.
so L's death only carries a 5% risk to kira, great, i'll do it. The only thing L has going for him is that Light can't be sure that L is really L.
You’ll do it because you don’t have a genius mind as L or Light who think about every bit of detail before acting, know I know if you would had been Kira, even detective Clouseau would had caught you.
As I threw a number for example purpose, it could be 8, it could be 10, it could be even 50%. But the probability would rise, and that’s the last thing Light want to happen. He wants to get rid of L, but even if he knew that’s the real L and knew his Name, he would just not kill L right there without thinking of an of the wall strategy so Light does not seems guilty.
no i'm not, read my post.
Sorry, but your post said otherwise:
. But I can understand if he did, just that the reasoning is weak and thin, resting on intuition more than anything.
I doubt L is without a backup plan. How does he even get to this position of "greatest detective in the world" without proper funding and backing? This Wataru guy who keeps following him around should at least know what's up.
If L should die, then it's pretty much 100% certain that Light is Kira. The only thing left to do is catch him doing the deed or Patriot Act his ass (lock him up based on suspicions alone). Don't tell me about human rights violations. It's perfectly legal in the U.S. and there seems to be an international criminal investigations organization that wields that kind of clout.
L has not exposed himself to anyone else besides Light. Light has deduced this so he dares not kill L.
I think it's rather absurd to say that the situation for Light wouldn't worsen drastically should L die sometime after meeting with Light. L has revealed himself to no one else besides the 6 Japanese Police Investigators and he's already determined none of them are Kira. Sure, there's not enough evidence to convict. But who needs strong evidence when trying to catch a dangerous international terrorist?
If I become the new leader of the investigation after learning L died and that his last move was to personally investigate this Light fellow (something he has never done before), I'd arrest Light immediately without warning, strip him, throw him in an insane asylum suit, and put him in a box for 3 months.
Trickster Priest
2006-12-14, 15:25
I guess I can see the argument that L might not know all of Kira's capabilities. But from his mindset, Kira is -not- 'an act of god'. In other words, killing by heart attack seems like a very powerful... yet 'mortal' ability. Perhaps even the ability to control their actions before they die could be viewed as such. It's incredible, but not beyond imagination.
Where Kira's abilities go beyond that is killing in means -beyond- heart attack. Killing by a heart attack may be a specific ability... but by heart attack, disease, car accident? Well, in theory Kira could kill someone by his ability by causing someone to have a heart attack as they drive car, thus causing a car wreck. But being able to strike someone down by more than that one means is smacking of 'acts of god'. Where this comparison does break down though is Kira's ability to kill at any time. That does resemble something beyond what he should be able to do logically, just in a 'focus ability' perspective...
Looking at Light though, I can definitely see why L's intuition is telling him this. Even in the "TV announcement" of the 1500 investigators, Light had to challenge it. Seeing Light's behavior and mannerisms even in basic conversation would be very helpful. And it's true, no one else on the investigation team has L's insight. The next episode is out, so I'll some spoiler about L's investigation in that episode...
When L is interviewing Light, Light gives a perfectly reasonable explanation as to get information out of L. But L sees completely through Light's (hey, even my habit) of "talking too much" because he wants to be right. He also predicts what Light is going to say and try, and pre-empts his attempts; rather, he makes Light think he is trying to pre-empt him. He rather eloquently manipulates Light into speaking and thinking "as if he is Kira" both with the message and Light's expectation that he will not be allowed to meet the investigation team, and noticing how Lights' thinking line up to meet L's profile. If Light wasn't Kira, he wouldn't think like that so readily and have the expectations he does. L doesn't have much information about the powers to go on, and knows Light will be trying to avoid anything 'giving himself up'. But by avoiding the 'conclusive evidence', he meets all of L's suspicions and thus L can be more certain to investigate him further and not move on.
He couldn't really trust second-hand accounts, Light could easily manipulate the people and details would be lost. Camera equipment could be used, although they are falliable and filtered. But that still wouldn't give him the ability to get the person down there to act and respond right, and even if so it would be falliable enough that Light could see it for what it was. By showing no fear of Light, he really put Light on edge. If L died though, Watari seems smart enough to help the investigators head in the right direction. So I do think L's approach was risky, but had payoffs. It does lack the anonymity though, and it does endanger the entire thing. I wouldn't have moved so soon... but L might have been counting on unbalancing him and cracking the facade all of a sudden, which it did! L's also pretty confident that Kira hasn't the ability to kill him without his name, and L doesn't know about the 'deal'. As such, it's not nearly as risky to L as one might think... at least, by Death Note. It also makes Light even more frightened of making mistakes; overanalyzing what he's doing and stuff like I mentioned in the spoiler paragraph.
Now, if the police caught onto Kira, he could always run. But as he is the 'pampered prodigy' and extremely proud, I don't think Light even wants to consider the possibility. He needs to beat L at his own game, and so I think he's not going to be "cheap" per se. He could spread around the word of who he is, but it'd obviously have to come from Light. If Light does anything that impedes L, he could at least have the police arrest Light for impeding an official investigation! This would give them grounds to search his home and anything else as necessary, too. If Light tries to hire someone, that leaves evidence that can be traced directly, and up until now that is the one thing he has been avoiding. L doesn't know about the 'other' deaths, but it's possible if L died someone investigating more thoroughly may notice Pember was involved in that fateful bus incident, and Light was one of merely two that fit the criteria for further investigation... which would bring one of Light's biggest cards out, death by means other than heart attack. Thus, killing L isn't a good idea... even if L dies and all the investigation team, that L may not be the real L. If it was, Light may bring out others like L. Also, every time L seems to get the "upper hand" on Light, Light has to explain the situation as something that works for him in the end. Light doesn't even want to think that he might be on the ropes; both an admirable trait and a tragic flaw, you could consider. He won't give up, but he's also possibly deluding himself...
I won't say that they don't make their mistakes. We think of things differently because we have a different perspective on things. Even if we try and meet theirs, sometimes people don't see what's right in front of them; with our perspective we might just have 'our answer' and be trying to work backwards and get a better method. Then again, we just might be noticing something unnatural about the anime and our intuition tells us 'something is off'. It's not unreasonable to think someone around might have heard L's words; in the manga it's said when they are coming down from the stage. It's also not unreasonable to assume Light's power might be "growing", too...
Everyone in the series seems to make errors from time to time, it doesn't mean we are better or worse for noticing them. They are mortal men, despite any aspirations for more, and this is a situation unlike anything either of them have ever been in before. Even if they are 'good', and I can easily see that they can be quite skillful, that's different from perfection or godhood. ;) Even the writers, you can say, are mortal men... if you don't like their writing, you don't have to. I do, I like a lot of the undercurrents I keep on noticing, and hell, I like L.
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