Hayate no Gotoku manga (raw discussion only)

[Used Can]

I honestly don't see why you guys are so eager about keeping up this discussion, when you guys know you won't change the other person's opinion in the end. It's just a meaningless discussion, in my opinion, and it won't change anything that has happened so far.

Why not change the discussion into what we expect from the new arcs? Will things actually go back to the way they used to be? Nagi no longer has her fortune, and that should change many things. To begin with, they'll have to find a new place to live. They will no longer be able to go to Hakuō (unless Athena and/or Hina can do anything about it), and may start attending to the public school (which may mean more focus for Ayumu). One way or the other, I'm expecting a major focus on Nagi. What I'm wondering is if Maria will get any important focus, considering she's been mostly turned into a gag character. There are still some mysteries about her, but I wonder if, in the end, they'll turn out to be relevant.

Hopefully, I'm wrong on the major focus on Nagi, and many other characters will receive important focus as well, and they'll also move with the plot.

[Game8910]

at this point I dont care about any character getting developed that isnt named Maria

[Used Can]

What about Klauss and Tama?

[zodanhko]

If a Maria arc appears, she may actually could pull it off. What a twist will that be since she has been left out like forever...

[Used Can]

That's my point, the mysteries about her are still there, but she's been made into a gag character so much, that I wonder if something serious can be done with her.

She could always be Midas' daughter, who knows?

[alu546]

Yes, did you?
The intended to be main characters in the "Royal Garden" were Hayate and Athena (the very same characters right now). The title "Royal Garden" was changed to "Hayate to Gotoku," not a different manga. That is partially true, but I remember a few years ago that Hata also said this was originally supposed to be about Hinagiku, but it ended up being to serious a story to quuualify as Shonen. So using that as my most clear(frooom my memory) example, I go back to my previous statement. It feels like he is cramming every story he has ever written into one. It doesnt matter what it was at the conceptual stage, the point is to bring her in so late is foring me to suspend disbelief, as opposed to the fondness I wouldve felt fo her had I known who she was in the previous 16 volumes. This is supposed to be HnG, not Royal Garden. Anyway, I probably wont catch up all the way until tomorrow.

[zodanhko]

That is partially true, but I remember a few years ago that Hata also said this was originally supposed to be about Hinagiku, but it ended up being to serious a story to quuualify as Shonen. So using that as my most clear(frooom my memory) example, I go back to my previous statement. It feels like he is cramming every story he has ever written into one. It doesnt matter what it was at the conceptual stage, the point is to bring her in so late is foring me to suspend disbelief, as opposed to the fondness I wouldve felt fo her had I known who she was in the previous 16 volumes. This is supposed to be HnG, not Royal Garden. Anyway, I probably wont catch up all the way until tomorrow.
The Katsuri sisters had a different story for them with their debts (which took place 10 years before HnG time-line wise) but it failed, and Hata recycled the characters as he always does and put them in HnG.

The Royal Garden was the original plan of HnG with some changes so you can't really classify them as two different manga. Introducing a character so late was a risky move done by Hata, but he pulled it off beautiful, I think. I have no complaints. :)

[GlassesLady]

quuualifyfrooom

._.;;

at this point I dont care about any character getting developed that isnt named Maria

So if another character named 'Maria' showed up, you'd care?

Yeah, anyway, I suspect the next arc will focus on what Nagi's gonna do now her fortune's gone, or if it's even gone at all, or whatever.

[frivolity]

alu:
That I agree with. It doesn't matter what the story was at the conceptual stage, what matters is what actually was published. Take Sailor Moon for example, where Naoko Takeuchi originally created Sailor V before Sailor Moon. Many of Usagi's traits were taken from the original Minako, just as how Nagi could possibly be seen as an expy of Royal Garden's Athena. Although Takeuchi later inserted her into Sailor Moon, Minako was no longer the female lead, and her character developed differently from Usagi.

Hata, on the other hand, seems to be trying to change HnG to fit his original story as a form of vindication for his earlier works. I felt as though I was reading a completely different manga for the last few chapters of HnG, with a Mary-Sue thrown at me. I don't buy it at all.

[Bastion_Arcion]

Yeah, anyway, I suspect the next arc will focus on what Nagi's gonna do now her fortune's gone, or if it's even gone at all, or whatever.

I'd really love it if some genre-savvy character showed up and pointed out that Hayate filled the former requirements for the inheritance, thus giving a somewhat plausible excuse to the attacks against him, and him willing it back to Nagi. Thus ending the debate, returning life to normal and once again stating his devotion to Nagi all in one fell swoop.
Causing Nagi to have a debt to repay Hayate for as well :D

[alu546]

The Katsuri sisters had a different story for them with their debts (which took place 10 years before HnG time-line wise) but it failed, and Hata recycled the characters as he always does and put them in HnG.

The Royal Garden was the original plan of HnG with some changes so you can't really classify them as two different manga. Introducing a character so late was a risky move done by Hata, but he pulled it off beautiful, I think. I have no complaints. :)

I have a question for you, have you been following the manga weekly or off annd on in little spurts like I have? The reason for that is thatt I believe it is easier to accept her addition if you have been following weekly because of the timeframe, whereas she has come in and seemingly took control of the story in about 30 minutes for me after many hours of reading and built up affections for what were seemingly very important characters at the time.


My opinions on her developement are still open to change as I read along, but I fear that my opinion may persist if she befomes a permanent looming fixture within the story.

Ofcourse, my opinion on thhis is probably relative. But I do have one important belief about the story in HnG, but ill withhold it publically because while it certainnly isntt a swipe at certain female characters(would apply to many in the harem), I dont think Athena fans would want to hear it.


EDIT: Glasseslady: Im tired and dont feel up to proofreading. But trust me, it was far worse than that originally lol

frivolitty: Thanks, I am glad I am not solo on that thoughtpath. I feel the same way.

[zodanhko]

I have a question for you, have you been following the manga weekly or off annd on in little spurts like I have? The reason for that is thatt I believe it is easier to accept her addition if you have been following weekly because of the timeframe, whereas she has come in and seemingly took control of the story in about 30 minutes for me after many hours of reading and built up affections for what were seemingly very important characters at the time.

My opinions on her developement are still open to change as I read along, but I fear that my opinion may persist if she befomes a permanent looming fixture within the story.

Ofcourse, my opinion on thhis is probably relative. But I do have one important believe about the story in HnG, but ill withhold it publically because while it certainnly isntt a swipe at certain female characters(would apply to many in the harem), I dont think Athena fans would want to hear it.

I never said that I have a problem with your dislike or like about the manga (or her), nor did I try to change it. I won't want to go there.:heh:

[Used Can]

Well, from the beginning, Hayate should never have been burdened with any debt. To begin with, he's a minor, and second, if debt was to be transferred, legal procedures ought to have been made.

In fact, leaving aside this is a manga, Hayate could easily get rid of this burden by contacting the authorities, and then telling them what happened. This way, the "debt" he has with Nagi would be transferred to his parents (i.e. assuming they have an actual record).

I have a question for you, have you been following the manga weekly or off annd on in little spurts like I have? The reason for that is thatt I believe it is easier to accept her addition if you have been following weekly because of the timeframe, whereas she has come in and seemingly took control of the story in about 30 minutes for me after many hours of reading and built up affections for what were seemingly very important characters at the time.
I don't think it really matters whether you've been following the manga closely or not, but how much attached you're to a character or to a relationship. I for one, used to be a huge Hina and Maria fan (with Hina having a slight lead), but there were several things that made me start losing interest in the characters and the manga, like the scanlations being sloooow as fuck (we had to wait like what... 6 months for one release from MQ?), and the manga felt far to repetitive for me, not to mention Hina kept on making no advances, and Maria didn't get any focus.

I remember when I first read about Hayate's flashback, I hoped the girl would be either Maria or Hina (I thought she was Maria, since looking at her from the back, that's what A-tan looked like). There were many people who said it could be a different person, but I thought that'd be a stupid idea, considering we were like, 87 chapters into the story. However, 90 chapters later, we got into the EotW mini-arc, Athena got properly introduced, and I loved her, immediately. She had many of the traits that I liked from other characters (Hina's strength and leadership, Maria's maturity, Nagi's mistress status, Isumi's mysteriousness, Ayumu's straightforwardness), but she had her own flavour. In addition to her positive traits, she also had her negative traits, which I also became fond of. In addition to all of these, she her addition gave Hayate a background, and it gave the story a plot.

[zodanhko]

Hmm...Speaking of debt, I wonder if Mikado will still transfer Hayate's debt to Athena like he mentioned since the stone is destroyed. Surprise, surprise, surprise.

[Bastion_Arcion]

Well, from the beginning, Hayate should never have been burdened with any debt. To begin with, he's a minor, and second, if debt was to be transferred, legal procedures ought to have been made.

In fact, leaving aside this is a manga, Hayate could easily get rid of this burden by contacting the authorities, and then telling them what happened. This way, the "debt" he has with Nagi would be transferred to his parents (i.e. assuming they have an actual record).

Um.. the 'debt' Hayate has to Nagi was his own choice to take on, she was originally intending to give the money as a gift, Hayate insisted that he repay it. It was only made his 'debt' when he insulted Nagi (fully reasonable considering the paper-thin mask she was wearing to hide her identity).

Could he have even gotten to any reasonable authority and gotten it handled before getting caught by the 'very nice men'?

[GlassesLady]

EDIT: Glasseslady: Im tired and dont feel up to proofreading. But trust me, it was far worse than that originally lol

Whatever, those typos were epic, man. Epiiiic.

I'd really love it if some genre-savvy character showed up and pointed out that Hayate filled the former requirements for the inheritance, thus giving a somewhat plausible excuse to the attacks against him, and him willing it back to Nagi. Thus ending the debate, returning life to normal and once again stating his devotion to Nagi all in one fell swoop.
Causing Nagi to have a debt to repay Hayate for as well :D

Nice, nice.... But I was more thinking that Mikado might have second thoughts about disowning Nagi once he finds out that it was Nagi herself that broke the stone. Or something.

[alu546]

I never said that I have a problem with your dislike or like about the manga (or her), nor did I try to change it. I won't want to go there.:heh:

Oh no I didnt mean it toward you, it was more of a general thing, not aboutt who I like and dislike. Butt basically my take on what Hayate no Gotoku is about would make fans of an athenaxhayate pairing go to lengths to tell me how wrong I am and I donot want that. Anyways, its not that I dislike her, i just feel like she is one to many girls in hayates harem that shouldve had their own story but didn.

[zodanhko]

Well then, to answer your question, I actually quit before since it began to drag with what seen to be repetitive humors to me. I wasn't really an active reader of HnG until the introduction of the EotW arc, and as you have already guess it, I pretty much loved Athena character immediately. And my reasons are pretty much the same as Used above. I, quite literally, taken a like of her the moment she introduced because I kind of knew what her characteristics would be like from her actions and tone.

[Used Can]

Hmm...Speaking of debt, I wonder if Mikado will still transfer Hayate's debt to Athena like he mentioned since the stone is destroyed. Surprise, surprise, surprise.
He won't, since Hayate didn't become Athena's butler, and the one who destroyed the stone was Nagi herself.

Um.. the 'debt' Hayate has to Nagi was his own choice to take on, she was originally intending to give the money as a gift, Hayate insisted that he repay it. It was only made his 'debt' when he insulted Nagi (fully reasonable considering the paper-thin mask she was wearing to hide her identity).
I know Hayate decided to re-pay that debt on his own. What I said before was under the pretence that Hayate didn't want that debt.

Could he have even gotten to any reasonable authority and gotten it handled before getting caught by the 'very nice men'?
Since this is HnG, then the answer is no. However, in a normal situation, if your parents or anyone else intended to burden you with any debt, they'd have to go through legal procedures and, obviously, have your consent. Otherwise, you could always contact any authority.

[zodanhko]

He won't, since Hayate didn't become Athena's butler, and the one who destroyed the stone was Nagi herself.

I was thinking that if it were to happen, it would be after Nagi return to Japan to see whether she would be disinherited or not. And assuming if Mikado is really going to disinherit Nagi due to the stone being destroyed, then I guess it won't matter who destroyed it unless Mikado was thinking that he would only make Hayate being Athena's servant(or separate Hayate from Nagi) if Hayate did something that oppose him.

I know that the chance is slim to none. But that could be a twist.;)

[Bastion_Arcion]

Hmm...Speaking of debt, I wonder if Mikado will still transfer Hayate's debt to Athena like he mentioned since the stone is destroyed. Surprise, surprise, surprise.

Technically, he only implied that Athena might take on his debt. Mikado doesn't, and didn't plan to, have his hands in it, since the debt is entirely Nagi's to deal with. Athena would have to deal with Nagi to take it on, not Mikado.

Since this is HnG, then the answer is no. However, in a normal situation, if your parents or anyone else intended to burden you with any debt, they'd have to go through legal procedures and, obviously, have your consent. Otherwise, you could always contact any authority.

Considering the method they used to obtain his money, they were considered his legal guardians, and thus would have been considered fully able to sell Hayate to the 'very nice men'. It's clear that they were working outside the law anyway, so no legal preceedings were needed.

[zodanhko]

Technically, he only implied that Athena might take on his debt. Mikado doesn't, and didn't plan to, have his hands in it, since the debt is entirely Nagi's to deal with. Athena would have to deal with Nagi to take it on, not Mikado.

Well, Mikado said if "Nagi loses the inheritance, Hayate would probably become Athena's butler" and the "150m debt would be transferred to Athena."
So, if Nagi has the money to pay the debt for Hayate, she could keep him. But if she doesn't have the money, she has no right to keep Hayate. And it will depend on whether or not Athena will pay the debt to Mikado, not Nagi.

[Game8910]

if Nagi pays the debt she wouldnt own Hayate, no one owns Hayate if he clears his debt, he can easily say "k thank bye" and leave the Nagi state debt free once its paid, of course he would never do that. If you think about it....Hayate is not in the most terrible situation if u think about it....I guess befriending millionaires has an advantage xD

[Bastion_Arcion]

Well, Mikado said if "Nagi loses the inheritance, Hayate would probably become Athena's butler" and the "150m debt would be transferred to Athena."
So, if Nagi has the money to pay the debt for Hayate, she could keep him. But if she doesn't have the money, she has no right to keep Hayate. And it will depend on whether or not Athena will pay the debt to Mikado, not Nagi.

Um.. do people not notice that the debt doesn't consist of money anymore?
Hayate took on a debt of 'honor' out of gratitude for Nagi paying it off. He holds no more bonds to the debt his parents left him.

His debt is to Nagi herself, not to her money. And that's before you factor in the promise he made to her.

[zodanhko]

Um.. do people not notice that the debt doesn't consist of money anymore?
Hayate took on a debt of 'honor' out of gratitude for Nagi paying it off. He holds no more bonds to the debt his parents left him.

His debt is to Nagi herself, not to her money. And that's before you factor in the promise he made to her.
Not really.
Hayate can't voice if Mikado wants him to pay the debt because he still does owe the money (the working for 40 years to pay the debt isn't really a joke). Hayate doesn't belong to Nagi but to Mikado if Nagi lost the right to the inheritances. That is the reason why Mikado stated that Hayate's debt of "150m would be transferred to Athena."

He owes debt of gratitude to Nagi, but he owes the debt of money to Mikado which means Mikado can give Hayate to anyone if they pay. This is similar to when Nagi sold Hayate to Isumi.

[Used Can]

Considering the method they used to obtain his money, they were considered his legal guardians, and thus would have been considered fully able to sell Hayate to the 'very nice men'. It's clear that they were working outside the law anyway, so no legal preceedings were needed.
That, they could have done, but all the same, that'd assume that the 'very nice men' would have wanted to get Hayate instead of their money.

And it will depend on whether or not Athena will pay the debt to Mikado, not Nagi.
She won't. In the latest chapter, one of the things she told Hayate to have him make up his mind and go back to Nagi was something like this:

Athena: Well, I can clear your (insert sum of money here) debt.
Hayate: Hmmm... well...
Athena: See? You can't do that, right?

[zodanhko]

She won't. In the latest chapter, one of the things she told Hayate to have him make up his mind and go back to Nagi was something like this:

Athena: Well, I can clear your (insert sum of money here) debt.
Hayate: Hmmm... well...
Athena: See? You can't do that, right?
Every new translation from 265 I have been shown reduces their chance. Lo...

If Hayate can't go with Nagi due to the debt, I think Athena could pay for him so he could continue protecting Nagi. What I'm hoping isn't for Athena to be together with Hayate since it's impossible, at least at the momen. But her having something to do with Nagi's inheritance situation. But I guess that's kinda impossible too...

It's like she is too powerful a character to be in the story...Dam it all. >.<

[babohtea]

Athena gets karma points. For Athena fans, you get to live with the knowledge that she's mature, cool, attractive, magically powerful and very perceptive. Congrats, your fandom has been justified (if it wasn't already, to you).

For other fans: your girl now has a better chance at "winning".

So, in order to make this truly a win-win, everyone should become fans of Athena and her personality, and then promptly begin shipping another girl with Hayate. WIN-WIN SITUATION.

[Game8910]

Athena gets karma points. For Athena fans, you get to live with the knowledge that she's mature, cool, attractive, magically powerful and very perceptive. Congrats, your fandom has been justified (if it wasn't already, to you).

For other fans: your girl now has a better chance at "winning".

So, in order to make this truly a win-win, everyone should become fans of Athena and her personality, and then promptly begin shipping another girl with Hayate. WIN-WIN SITUATION.

I was surprised at myself when I posted my spoilers of ch265 after learning of their parting....I was surprisingly calm and satisfied...its like you said Athena may be leaving for now, but at least I have the knowledge that even to this point in the story...she could have won the battle but obviously you might as well put "the end" shortly after if that were to happen. While Athena ending would have been technically my ideal ending, this series is one of the few harems were every single member is just so freaking win...I honestly dont mind any ending (except Nagi as things are right now)

[aldw]

I was surprised at myself when I posted my spoilers of ch265 after learning of their parting....I was surprisingly calm and satisfied...its like you said Athena may be leaving for now, but at least I have the knowledge that even to this point in the story...she could have won the battle but obviously you might as well put "the end" shortly after if that were to happen. While Athena ending would have been technically my ideal ending, this series is one of the few harems were every single member is just so freaking win...I honestly dont mind any ending (except Nagi as things are right now)

Yeah, that's pretty much my sentiment as well (being an Athena fan too), Hayate's possible partners all indeed have a lovable distinct quality of their own. :cool:

[ridgezipline]

Are we forgetting that Athena kicked Hayate to teach him other lessons and when he was complaining that it hurt he was essentially told 'quit crying you baby'?
lol i thought it only showed how hard the training was and also for comedic purposes :heh:


The Royal Garden was the original plan of HnG with some changes so you can't really classify them as two different manga.
thanks for the info ;) ... considering athena's popularity boost since EotW arc., it'd probably be successful if he decides to make a spin-off series about her lol (but that's just a fan talking

I have a question for you, have you been following the manga weekly or off annd on in little spurts like I have? The reason for that is thatt I believe it is easier to accept her addition if you have been following weekly because of the timeframe, whereas she has come in and seemingly took control of the story in about 30 minutes for me after many hours of reading and built up affections for what were seemingly very important characters at the time.


My opinions on her developement are still open to change as I read along, but I fear that my opinion may persist if she befomes a permanent looming fixture within the story.


like some others, i only read HnG again after i chanced upon EotW arc by accident :heehee: i agree she stole the spotlight, even from hayate, for me as well..

it's a shame, she might not be coming on as much, but i prefer seeing her entering with another semiserious/serious story arc than being in gags :heh: somehow hata's gags are used too much... comedies are good, but it gets boring without a plot


I remember when I first read about Hayate's flashback, I hoped the girl would be either Maria or Hina (I thought she was Maria, since looking at her from the back, that's what A-tan looked like). There were many people who said it could be a different person, but I thought that'd be a stupid idea, considering we were like, 87 chapters into the story. However, 90 chapters later, we got into the EotW mini-arc, Athena got properly introduced, and I loved her, immediately. She had many of the traits that I liked from other characters (Hina's strength and leadership, Maria's maturity, Nagi's mistress status, Isumi's mysteriousness, Ayumu's straightforwardness), but she had her own flavour. In addition to her positive traits, she also had her negative traits, which I also became fond of. In addition to all of these, she her addition gave Hayate a background, and it gave the story a plot.

*thumbs up*

Athena gets karma points. For Athena fans, you get to live with the knowledge that she's mature, cool, attractive, magically powerful and very perceptive. Congrats, your fandom has been justified (if it wasn't already, to you).

For other fans: your girl now has a better chance at "winning".

So, in order to make this truly a win-win, everyone should become fans of Athena and her personality, and then promptly begin shipping another girl with Hayate. WIN-WIN SITUATION.

lol good analysis... the ship with nagi has already started in 265 :heh:

[Arabesque]

I've been purposely trying to avoid this thread because I didn't want to be spoiled about ch. 265 (also I've had more to study lately), but I decided to take a sneak at the thread a little to see what the current discussion is. I won't comment on the previous pages because most of the things that I wanted to say have been said about it, but there is one thing I want to point out:
Are we forgetting that Athena kicked Hayate to teach him other lessons and when he was complaining that it hurt he was essentially told 'quit crying you baby'?
You are mixing two different events here.

-Athena only told Hayate to stop crying when they first started the sword training, and that was because she noticed that he cried quite a lot (Before that, she was surprised whenever he's done so)

-Athena kicked Hayate once during the scene in chapter 9, but we learned that that happened because she saw Hayate kiss Izumi before his return (And tbh, this is not as severe as what Nagi does to him from time to time)

lol i thought it only showed how hard the training was and also for comedic purposes

No, this was a one-of-occurrence where Athena was very angry at Hayate for flirting with another girl (Even though it wasn’t his fault :/).

Personally, I never thought that Hayate getting hit or punished by the girls very funny. Not when Hina does it, not when Athena does it, or when Nagi does it (the first two had their reasons, but Nagi does it at times when it isn't even his fault)


*Goes back to avoid spoilers *

[babohtea]

Guys. She was like eight. I punched my sister when I was eight. I told her she was stupid. I told my parents I hated them. I told my best friends never to leave me and to be friends with me forever.

Selfish? Probably, but I was eight. Watch little kids interact with each other and you'll know what I mean. Give it a break, most of that immaturity, violence, and selfishness has LONG SINCE been remedied if it was ever anything serious.

[Bastion_Arcion]

You are mixing two different events here.

-Athena only told Hayate to stop crying when they first started the sword training, and that was because she noticed that he cried quite a lot (Before that, she was surprised whenever he's done so)

-Athena kicked Hayate once during the scene in chapter 9, but we learned that that happened because she saw Hayate kiss Izumi before his return (And tbh, this is not as severe as what Nagi does to him from time to time)

O.o I have no idea what you think you're talking about there. She kicked him in the stomach hard enough to send him flying while teaching him how to be a boyfriend, and then when he complained she told him it's 'the pain of love'. Pretty sure it's on the same page and in the first flashback where she's shown. Long before she's even introduced.

While Nagi does do worse, she does it in the present, when he has the constitution of a Gundam. Athena did this when his constitution is still at the level of a six-year-old.

[musouka]

O.o I have no idea what you think you're talking about there. She kicked him in the stomach hard enough to send him flying while teaching him how to be a boyfriend, and then when he complained she told him it's 'the pain of love'.

It's. A. Joke.

While Nagi does do worse, she does it in the present, when he has the constitution of a Gundam. Athena did this when his constitution is still at the level of a six-year-old.

She kicked him after she had awoken his "inner strength", so he was just as resilient as when Nagi does it.

Really, people have the most ridiculous double standards for a slapstick comedy series.

[Bastion_Arcion]

She kicked him after she had awoken his "inner strength", so he was just as resilient as when Nagi does it.

Really, people have the most ridiculous double standards for a slapstick comedy series.

I have my doubts that she actually did anything with 'awakening his inner strength'. She hasn't cast anything on anyone else except for that one time, so we don't know if she even can. The training she gave him and the self-training in the last 10 years is the more plausible reason, for a normal person.
Seems to me that the 'spell' was more to boost his confidence that he could do something so that she could teach him rather than actually doing anything to him.
Time is a huge factor in the resilience of the human body.

If he'd gotten run over by a car back then, he probably would have been killed. In present he's gotten run over twice, and the first he nearly did die. Later he gets run down, and goes on to out-speed a train on a bike. And both happened before we were shown the spell.

200+ one-fingered push-ups (those are the only numbers I could find) was probably enough to get a benefit back when he was training with Athena, he'd probably have to be doing ten or hundreds of times more by now to be seeing any significant difference now.

[Game8910]

I have my doubts that she actually did anything with 'awakening his inner strength'. She hasn't cast anything on anyone else except for that one time, so we don't know if she even can. The training she gave him and the self-training in the last 10 years is the more plausible reason, for a normal person.
Seems to me that the 'spell' was more to boost his confidence that he could do something so that she could teach him rather than actually doing anything to him.
Time is a huge factor in the resilience of the human body.
i think a re-read is in order for you here, Hayate did comment on how his body felt a lot lighter right after Athena cast the spell. Also dont even start trying to question her magic at this stage of the story because it has already been stated by Isumi as well about how Midas was able to get great strength by drawing Athena's ability to unlock potentials.
As well as controlling Shirosakura's power to strengthen Machina. So yes, she did cast a spell on Hayate that time, he felt the change himself and there were immediately obvious improvements on his skills as a butler since then.

[Bastion_Arcion]

i think a re-read is in order for you here, Hayate did comment on how his body felt a lot lighter right after Athena cast the spell. Also dont even start trying to question her magic at this stage of the story because it has already been stated by Isumi as well about how Midas was able to get great strength by drawing Athena's ability to unlock potentials.
As well as controlling Shirosakura's power to strengthen Machina. So yes, she did cast a spell on Hayate that time, he felt the change himself and there were immediately obvious improvements on his skills as a butler since then.

Never heard of the placebo effect?
He trained with the sword, did thousands of push-up's daily and worked since he was 9, and his endurance and skill is possible for a normal human in the real world.

Loving how Isumi's knowledge is taken as factual when to have anything less than 2nd-hand knowledge of the stuff she's talking about she'd have to be a child prodigy greater than what you're purporting Athena to be with greater knowledge of things that happened out of her sight when she was three

[Game8910]

Never heard of the placebo effect?
He trained with the sword, did thousands of push-up's daily and worked since he was 9, and his endurance and skill is possible for a normal human in the real world.
still doesnt explain his sudden improvement in terms of his skills right after the spell, i mean he was struggling carrying a bucket of water before she did it. All of his hard work and training really started to get underway after she unlocked him, and if im not mistaken she did this on the day after Hayate arrived at the Royal Garden, so its not like he even did anything while unlocked, except of course...dropping a bucket of water on Athena.

There is no mention anywhere of Hayate doing such workout before meeting Athena, so it should be safe to assume that her spell was the catalyst for what would become the boulder he is now. Granted, he could've still trained with the same intensity even without being unlocked, but I doubt he would reach the look-at-me-fight-a-tiger tier without it.

On that note...Hayate's brother looks too unnaturally skilled....was it because of Shirosakura?

[Arabesque]

O.o I have no idea what you think you're talking about there. She kicked him in the stomach hard enough to send him flying while teaching him how to be a boyfriend, and then when he complained she told him it's 'the pain of love'. Pretty sure it's on the same page and in the first flashback where she's shown. Long before she's even introduced.

You are talking about something completely different here. I never wrote that Athena didn't kick Haytae, I was referring to when the scene from vol. 9 was put in context in the EotW arc (where saw those panels included in there) and explaining the reason why she kicked him (because you seemed to assume that she was doing it as part of his training when it was her being angry at him and lecturing him while confusing the other scene where she tells him to stop crying), and what is even more obvious (like musouka mentioned) is that the situation is meant to be taken as being comedic and not serious.
Never heard of the placebo effect?
He trained with the sword, did thousands of push-up's daily and worked since he was 9, and his endurance and skill is possible for a normal human in the real world.

Loving how Isumi's knowledge is taken as factual when to have anything less than 2nd-hand knowledge of the stuff she's talking about she'd have to be a child prodigy greater than what you're purporting Athena to be with greater knowledge of things that happened out of her sight when she was three

You seem to have forgotten that Haytae's strength has been proven to be abnormal by the story itself in the past. The fact that Hayate was able to fight robots, giant tree monsters, and hell, have boulders fall on him and merely brush off all that damage away like nothing is not something that is gained by simply having confidence to do so. He struggled to even carry a bucket of water before she unlocked his strength, and the series supports that she had done something to him to give him his monstrous power. You are simply saying ''Athena didn't do it, it must have been something else'' without actually showing information from the story to support that.

The second part of your post is really strange. You mock Game for actually using the information presented from the story itself, and through (by the author's own word) one of the strongest characters in the series to further validate their worth, while you have not actually provided anything that proves why it is not ''factual''

[babohtea]

Hayate is abnormal according to Word of God, or the author himself. And you spell "existence" with an "e"

[zodanhko]

Bastion, even the TVTrope, although strangely said Athena used psychological tortures on Hayate by *cough**cough*, that you believe in so much said that Athena power up Hayate. What happened?

[Bastion_Arcion]

You are talking about something completely different here. I never wrote that Athena didn't kick Haytae, I was referring to when the scene from vol. 9 was put in context in the EotW arc (where saw those panels included in there) and explaining the reason why she kicked him (because you seemed to assume that she was doing it as part of his training when it was her being angry at him and lecturing him while confusing the other scene where she tells him to stop crying), and what is even more obvious (like musouka mentioned) is that the situation is meant to be taken as being comedic and not serious.
So you're arguing that your statement is more valid than mine because we're using different scenes?

You seem to have forgotten that Haytae's strength has been proven to be abnormal by the story itself in the past. The fact that Hayate was able to fight robots, giant tree monsters, and hell, have boulders fall on him and merely brush off all that damage away like nothing is not something that is gained by simply having confidence to do so. He struggled to even carry a bucket of water before she unlocked his strength, and the series supports that she had done something to him to give him his monstrous power. You are simply saying ''Athena didn't do it, it must have been something else'' without actually showing information from the story to support that.

Yes, it isn't normal to be able to do those things. Most of the story isn't normal, that's part of the humor of the series.
He's done those things after training himself for years, which is in itself abnormal.
Did he undertake those tests while he was with Athena? No, they were after, after his abnormal training regime.

I'm saying the exact opposite actually. The world is not black and white, don't pretend that it is.
I'm not discounting the possibility that Athena did do something, but acknowledging the possibility that she didn't. Occam's Razor takes the possibility with fewer assumptions. That would be the one saying she didn't do anything except give him confidence. He doesn't show a significant difference in endurance until he's undergone a training that would give him that endurance normally, and we've seen that it's still growing stronger.
If the spell simply made a jump in his endurance, would we still be seeing increases of such magnitude ten years later?
The only 'superhuman' thing Hayate has done in his circumstances has been to pull things out of thin air, standard for anime/manga characters and having absolutely nothing to do with Athena's spell.

The second part of your post is really strange. You mock Game for actually using the information presented from the story itself, and through (by the author's own word) one of the strongest characters in the series to further validate their worth, while you have not actually provided anything that proves why it is not ''factual''

That's what you get for not reading the rest of the argument. Non-Athena fans had just gotten a similar statement leveled at them.
Also, see above 'black and white' statement.
Having knowledge that she probably did have trained into her is different that making statements about things she couldn't possibly have known herself. Yet they are taken at full stock as true.

Could Athena be the reincarnation of the Greek goddess Athena?
Yes.
Could she just be a normal human?
Yes.
The story has given us nothing factual making either of these claims true or false.

[zodanhko]

Yes, it isn't normal to be able to do those things. Most of the story isn't normal, that's part of the humor of the series.
He's done those things after training himself for years, which is in itself abnormal.
Did he undertake those tests while he was with Athena? No, they were after, after his abnormal training regime.

I'm saying the exact opposite actually. The world is not black and white, don't pretend that it is.
I'm not discounting the possibility that Athena did do something, but acknowledging the possibility that she didn't. Occam's Razor takes the possibility with fewer assumptions. That would be the one saying she didn't do anything except give him confidence. He doesn't show a significant difference in endurance until he's undergone a training that would give him that endurance normally, and we've seen that it's still growing stronger.
If the spell simply made a jump in his endurance, would we still be seeing increases of such magnitude ten years later?
The only 'superhuman' thing Hayate has done in his circumstances has been to pull things out of thin air, standard for anime/manga characters and having absolutely nothing to do with Athena's spell.
The fact that you keeping denying what's obviously shown in "Hata's world" with endless excuses while the others constantly presenting facts from "Hata's world" that he had shown is hilarious.

I mean, really? The light on Athena's hand, the magic circle that she placed on him, his newly born strength say nothing to you. That would be very so impressive.


That's what you get for not reading the rest of the argument. Non-Athena fans had just gotten a similar statement leveled at them.
Also, see above 'black and white' statement.
Having knowledge that she probably did have trained into her is different that making statements about things she couldn't possibly have known herself. Yet they are taken at full stock as true.

Could Athena be the reincarnation of the Greek goddess Athena?
Yes.
Could she just be a normal human?
Yes.
The story has given us nothing factual making either of these claims true or false.
Everybody uses facts that provided by the author himself in the world that he created to support their claims except you. Everybody knows what happened and Athena's strength which was claimed by the author himself, HE KNOWS WHAT IS BLACK AND WHAT IS WHITE.

This "black and white" scenario is nothing more than "I must mix manga with reality since there is no way out."

If you don't trust what Hata wrote, which is about every positive aspect of Athena, why do you even arguing about her? There is really no point.

[Koroshiya_Kame_13]

He doesn't show a significant difference in endurance until he's undergone a training that would give him that endurance normally, and we've seen that it's still growing stronger.
If the spell simply made a jump in his endurance, would we still be seeing increases of such magnitude ten years later?

I just took the scene as a regular random powerup for the main character in a shonen manga. Except for the fight with Athena back when they were little (rigged too), Hayate hasn't been in any major battles in the past to compare his endurance with his present self. Jobwise, I don't think there's too much difference in his endurance. He had to support his lousy parents' gambling habits through work and obviously had to have a lot of jobs considering how much his parents spend on their investments. ALL of his spare time is devoted to working so his working hours and the amount of jobs he has wouldn't have changed much, and so little endurance boost would've been needed.
If training must be involved to keep the ridiculous amount of power the characters in this manga has, then it doesn't explain how Hinagiku or Maria still possess ridiculous skill, power and endurance despite not having the same training routine Hayate has (they probably don't even have any).

[WildArms]

wtf happened in the last chapter!? EVERYTHING WAS DOING SO WELL, IS THERE A FREAKING LAW BUTLERS CANT HAVE A LOVER?! HE IS JUST GRATEFULL TO NAGI, HE IS NO LOLI LOVAR DARN, Hata will go to jail if hayate falls in love with nagi lulz (anyway for me is obvious he just sees her as a really beloved sister)

[Koroshiya_Kame_13]

wtf happened in the last chapter!? EVERYTHING WAS DOING SO WELL, IS THERE A FREAKING LAW BUTLERS CANT HAVE A LOVER?! HE IS JUST GRATEFULL TO NAGI, HE IS NO LOLI LOVAR DARN, Hata will go to jail if hayate falls in love with nagi lulz (anyway for me is obvious he just sees her as a really beloved sister)

Isn't it normal nowadays that 14 year olds are allowed to have a romantic relationship, considering the fact that Hayate isn't even that much older than Nagi, only 2 years.

[GDB]

Isn't it normal nowadays that 14 year olds are allowed to have a romantic relationship, considering the fact that Hayate isn't even that much older than Nagi, only 2 years.

Nagi's only 13. In fact, barely 13, since her birthday is December 3rd.

[Koroshiya_Kame_13]

Hayate is bad with dealing with girls anyways, so even if they are in a relationship nothing will happen.

[Game8910]

I'm not discounting the possibility that Athena did do something, but acknowledging the possibility that she didn't. Occam's Razor takes the possibility with fewer assumptions. That would be the one saying she didn't do anything except give him confidence.
Fair enough, although Im not sure why you would want to do that


He doesn't show a significant difference in endurance until he's undergone a training that would give him that endurance normally, and we've seen that it's still growing stronger.
If the spell simply made a jump in his endurance, would we still be seeing increases of such magnitude ten years later?

There is no way to measure Hayate's pre-power up endurance since he was never in a situation that would test it before he met Athena, and she pretty much buffed him almost right after meeting with himcso discussing this point is meaningless for both sides now.


The only 'superhuman' thing Hayate has done in his circumstances has been to pull things out of thin air, standard for anime/manga characters and having absolutely nothing to do with Athena's spell.
He can also ride a bike faster than a sport's car, get hit full force by a moving car/truck and survive and although a bit far fetched and maybe unrelated to this...travel through time.

edit: wasnt he pierced/scrapped deeply more than enough times by Midas on the most recent arc as well? Im surprised the guy can still stand

[New/Old]

He can also ride a bike faster than a sport's car, get hit full force by a moving car/truck and survive and although a bit far fetched and maybe unrelated to this...travel through time.

Don't forget. He also jumped off a bullet train going at normal speed and took a tumble. :heh:

[Nochgo]

After watching the second season of Hayate the anime, I came to want to read the manga. And so, few days ago with the start of spring break, I finally had time to sit down and read through the manga. And man, it was sooo great. And as luck would have it, my timing was perfect as I was able to read the entire current Athena arc without a break (till chp 265). I must say, the child Athena arc and this portion was my favorite so far. After marathoning up till now, it feels as if the manga has ended.

Until I read the Athena sections, I was all for Hayate x Hinagiku ending, but now, even though it seems very unlikely at this point, I'm hoping for Hayate x Athena ending :D

[Used Can]

Until I read the Athena sections, I was all for Hayate x Hinagiku ending, but now, even though it seems very unlikely at this point, I'm hoping for Hayate x Athena ending :D
I'd say Hayate x Athena is even more unlikely now, lol.

[zodanhko]

Athena still has that notorious ability of her to attract other shippers.:cool:

Even if it's .01%, it's the same as 100% in Gurren Lagann. ^^

[Bangirasu]

Not chapter of Hayate this week?

[ridgezipline]

No, this was a one-of-occurrence where Athena was very angry at Hayate for flirting with another girl (Even though it wasn’t his fault :/).

ohhh o___o so that's how it is ...


Personally, I never thought that Hayate getting hit or punished by the girls very funny. Not when Hina does it, not when Athena does it, or when Nagi does it (the first two had their reasons, but Nagi does it at times when it isn't even his fault)


ahh, it's comedic in a way for me.. guess it really is relative..

wtf happened in the last chapter!? EVERYTHING WAS DOING SO WELL, IS THERE A FREAKING LAW BUTLERS CANT HAVE A LOVER?! HE IS JUST GRATEFULL TO NAGI, HE IS NO LOLI LOVAR DARN, Hata will go to jail if hayate falls in love with nagi lulz (anyway for me is obvious he just sees her as a really beloved sister)

none... but there's prolly a tacit agreement that hayate remains single or else it's the end for the harem manga :heh:

hayatexnagi makes a lot of sense ^^; she's the person hayate wants to protect the most.. the difference is only 3 yrs plus hayate isnt even an adult yet..,

speaking of which, who knows there'd be hayate x athena when they're both 21 :p <3 (lol, but that's just wishful thinking :D hehe)

===

and on the subject of adults ... any spoilers about the development of hina's sister and the p.e. teacher? :D im looking forward to that too.,
(sorry forgot the names lol)

[Nochgo]

What I'm really hoping for (though again, unlikely), is that Athena comes back to Japan, and then we have a love square with the main (?) heroines, Ayumu, Hina, Athena. This way, Athena can still have a chance. Though I guess there is still Nagi, Isumi, Izumi, and maybe Sakuya? At this point, I see Nagi and Hayate as more of sibling love than romantic love.

I mean, come on, its obvious Hayate and Athena still loves each other :D

[Arabesque]

So you're arguing that your statement is more valid than mine because we're using different scenes?
I am referring to the same scene as you. In case you really are unable to understand English, here is what I am talking about:
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Vol. 9

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Vol. 17
Context is key.
Yes, it isn't normal to be able to do those things. Most of the story isn't normal, that's part of the humor of the series.
He's done those things after training himself for years, which is in itself abnormal.
Did he undertake those tests while he was with Athena? No, they were after, after his abnormal training regime.
See now I think you didn't even read a single chapter of the manga. Hayate's did train under Athena, and as for ''it's part of the humour'' that doesn't work in this case because the story hammered in the point that Hayate is indestructible.

And I don't know where you would get the idea that training oneself for a long period of time as being abnormal. What, are all professional fitness instructors abnormal as well?
I'm saying the exact opposite actually. The world is not black and white, don't pretend that it is.
Where exactly did I pretend that the world is black & white? What I wrote was that you need to present facts to support your theory (which you still refuse to do so).

I'm not discounting the possibility that Athena did do something, but acknowledging the possibility that she didn't.
Where did that possibility come from? And do you have something from within the story itself or from the author himself to prove she didn't unlock Hayate's latent potential?

Occam's Razor takes the possibility with fewer assumptions.
Occam's Razor is used to make things simple by comparing solutions to one result and then cutting away the more complicated method(s) and keeping the simplest one, and there is no way your theory (which is not supported by facts anyway, so using the principle is not needed in the first place) can compare what the author and story have shown.

That would be the one saying she didn't do anything except give him confidence.
So, you are saying that the explanation given by the story is wrong, and that your baseless theory is right? :twitch:

...

I think you should consider renaming (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=36723) yourself as Don Quixote (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote)

He doesn't show a significant difference in endurance until he's undergone a training that would give him that endurance normally, and we've seen that it's still growing stronger.
If the spell simply made a jump in his endurance, would we still be seeing increases of such magnitude ten years later?
Reread chapter 183 to see exactly what did Athena do to Hayate. It is not a simple power up, she unlocked his latent strength so he would be able to obtain great power.

The only 'superhuman' thing Hayate has done in his circumstances has been to pull things out of thin air, standard for anime/manga characters and having absolutely nothing to do with Athena's spell.
Stop making things up.:rolleyes:

That's what you get for not reading the rest of the argument. Non-Athena fans had just gotten a similar statement leveled at them.
I read through the past pages to see what are you talking about, and all I managed to come out with was more of your nonsense. And why should I care if Non-Athena fans had their arguments demolished? Stay relevant to what I am writing to you. This is about you making things up from nowhere, not about Athena.

Also, see above 'black and white' statement.
Having knowledge that she probably did have trained into her is different that making statements about things she couldn't possibly have known herself. Yet they are taken at full stock as true.

Hata himself said that Athena and Isumi were the strongest in the series. We are shown Isumi make statements about how Midas managed to posses her when she shouldn't even know her, shown her grandmother having knowledge of the Shirosakura, knowing how to stop Midas, put forth the conditions and restrictions of how to free her et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. In short, Isumi and her family are knowledgeable enough to know these things coupled with (and more importantly) Isumi being virtually was the author's own mouth piece in the story.

Could Athena be the reincarnation of the Greek goddess Athena?
Yes.
Could she just be a normal human?
Yes.
The story has given us nothing factual making either of these claims true or false.
...wut? :twitch:

Seriously, what are you trying to do here? Where was it even alluded to that Athena was the bloody reincarnation of a Greek goddesses? Where was it mentioned? Why would that even matter?

What you are doing here is just making random statements that the story didn't even mention and then saying that they are probable. They are not fact, just groundless assumptions you made out of nowhere.

Athena still has that notorious ability of her to attract other shippers.:cool:

I may be an Athena fan, but that doesn't mean I think she is the best fit for Hayate. Or that she would ''win''.
Not chapter of Hayate this week?
Tomorrow.

ahh, it's comedic in a way for me.. guess it really is relative..

Pretty much.
I mean, come on, its obvious Hayate and Athena still loves each other :D
Yes, it is clear that the feeling is mutual, but then again like I said before, it takes more than love to make a relationship work.

[Koroshiya_Kame_13]

At least Athena assured to Hayate that "although the chances that we'll meet are small, that day will eventually come". So I guess the author hasn't left out Athena and might be planning for her next appearance.

[Used Can]

And, that day, the Ide will decide to take control, and we already know what happened when it did.

[Game8910]

ch266 spoilers are almost here....and we still have no ch265 RAWs?

[GDB]

ch266 spoilers are almost here....and we still have no ch265 RAWs?

You know Shounen Sundays don't officially release until Wednesdays, right? Which is today?

[WildArms]

OK OK DONT GO CRAZY GUYS, THE CHAPTER ENDED WHEN ATHENA SAID IT (she is not going back), so something may happen!.
Though i know is not probable... i just freaking hope hayate becomes A REAL MAN IN NEXT CHAPTER, I DUNNO there ARE SOME GOOD THINGS he could do so Athena would not feel insecure about hayate's relationship with nagi (hayate is not ped0)...but.... BUT, the problem is.... HAYATE IS AN IDIOT... NOOoooOOO. :twitch: and why would athena feel insecure anyway!? after all that happened!? this smells like hata just want us to run around circles... hata... or SHONEN!? that way they get more monah.:eyespin:
Darn i was finally getting happy and now this happens....

[Game8910]

You know Shounen Sundays don't officially release until Wednesdays, right? Which is today?
Shounen Sundays

Release on Wednesdays....?


JAPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!

[GlassesLady]

You know Shounen Sundays don't officially release until Wednesdays, right? Which is today?

It used to be that the RAWs would come out sometime around Sunday or Monday (I think?); it's only recently that they've been this late.

[WildArms]

As far as ive seen, HnG has the more random releases of all the manga i read

[GDB]

Well, the magazine itself comes out on Wednesdays. If they come out before that, it's a bonus. If it doesn't, that's not being late. It's just not early.

[New/Old]

ch266 spoilers are almost here....and we still have no ch265 RAWs?

The raws and translations of 265 are both available on Mangahelpers. The scanlation has strangely been under the radar.

Edit: Right, LeeMeru's no longer doing the scanlations. Perhaps that's why.

[Game8910]

Edit: Right, LeeMeru's no longer doing the scanlations. Perhaps that's why.

WHAAAT! WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY :uhoh:

[New/Old]

WHAAAT! WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY :uhoh:

Lack of interest (half-assing as LeeMeru said) and lack of time currently.

[WildArms]

Ill translate, but dont blame me if you read athena x hayate's dialogues, or Hinagiku x hayate's dialogue more lovely dovely wiffily pooh.

[leoblack9]

Eh? You guys don't know? It's rah who's (hopefully) scanlating the current chapter ^^. Let's hope that he doesn't do it half-assedly too.

[Game8910]

this is what happens when most of the HnG scanlation groups are Athena fans :heh:

[GDB]

this is what happens when most of the HnG scanlation groups are Athena fans :heh:

What do you mean, "most"? Isn't there just one group, which is ignoring currently released chapters and doing their own versions, and then a bunch of people who use others' translations and do the scanlations themselves? I don't qualify the later as a "group", but more of a hodgepodge of effectiveness.

[Rah]

*yawn*

You wish!

Just wait for eva to do them. Usually 2 days after lee-tan, sometimes earlier, etc...

Who cares? Reading the translation, and checking the raw is good enough.

[GlassesLady]

Edit: Right, LeeMeru's no longer doing the scanlations. Perhaps that's why.

We're talking about the raws, not the scanlations, though.

@WildArms: Huh? Wiffily?

[New/Old]

We're talking about the raws, not the scanlations, though.

@WildArms: Huh? Wiffily?

The raws and translations are already out. Repeating myself is not pleasant, you know.

[fish eric]

The raws and translations are already out. Repeating myself is not pleasant, you know.

then dont do it. they will figure it out eventually;)

[Wolfnagi]

Long time no sea.........
And the scanlation haven't gone out........
So anything new????

[pseudonhym]

what a nice end to A-tan's arc.

[indr0008]

in what sense it was nice? I almost cried myself out even though i'm in school's library?

[Wolfnagi]

Anyway,
it seems that the scanlation did come out......
and the ending.........
its mushy..........
and I hate mushy ending...............
Just like Vol's fanfic..........

[Fandal]

I still want an Athena spin-off! Amazingly, even after all that, almost everything about Athena is still a mystery. I wonder who she is and why was she there......

Either way though, Athena and Hayate, even if they leave the world of romantic love (like everyone here want's for some reason) - they have a special bond only they can have with each other. It's like Nagi's story.

[zodanhko]

Guess it's back to Hayate X *inserts girl* moments. Go Isumi, I suppose...

[Game8910]

I guess I should put back my "Hayagiku OTP" headband now as well :P

[Gambino009]

This chapter...

Wow, way to warn the reader.... to stop ignoring Nagi, and that she's actually special.

So this is the end eh?

Hayate pretty much gave up on Athena romantically... and is now interested in whether or not he can find a new person he can say he loves... Which puts Nagi's face in.

Lame....

I liked Hinagiku before Athena came into the picture (introduction wise).. and only the young Athena.

But with her gone... I hope Hinagiku can take the spot light away from Nagi... (like that's gonna happen)

[zodanhko]

Haha, I might have as well but Isumi was simply too awesome this arc. She can blow away the competitions (excluding Athena) if she tries, and I'm dead serious. ^^

[Game8910]

But with her gone... I hope Hinagiku can take the spot light away from Nagi... (like that's gonna happen)

implying she hasnt done that for 90% of the manga...dont start getting greedy again Hina fans, i need more Maria development here

[zibi88]

Athena is gone...... so I wonder when Nagi arc. will end so Nagi disapears forever too...like athena did... (athena gave up the most imporant thing in the world for her... which is her love........ I wonder if Nagi would do the same and let hayte go to another girl....like athena just did)


With athena gone [depressed]... I hope Hina will enter the spot...... Nagi as Hayates friend ok.... love interest NO IN HELL !!!

I would gladly exchange Nagi's space for..... Hina, Maria, Ayumu...

seriously if hayate starts to look on Nagi with romantic feelins I will stop reading it... since it would be just sick (super undarage love...pedophilia)..... and at least Ayumu,Hina and Maria are the same or little older than hayate (15-17years barrier) so its ok

well I root for Hina... since everyone thinks of her as monster duo her strenght... and that she acts more like a boy.... so her winning hayate at the end would show her as a girl once for all to everyone...

anyway I doubt that Athena disapperas from the scene forever...I mean Wataru has another stone... so I guess the RP will come back in future... it would be funny if hayate ended up beign locked in that RP alone and all he girls try to save him from there... or be with him there...


but in my opinion it would be super funny if Athena went to japan... and builded up her new house next to Nagis mansion.... so both girls could fight for hayates affection (nagi would gain a strong rival)..... yet Hata cuts down this possibility and development of all girls... and forcefully pushed to Nagi side (shivers of disgust...)

[azziz]

Haha, I might have as well but Isumi was simply too awesome this arc. She can blow away the competitions (excluding Athena) if she tries, and I'm dead serious. ^^

it was the same for kaguya in code geass,tough awesome those character alwais seem to be overshadowed by violent and flat-chested loli(like louise in znt and countless other).

[babohtea]

Just read scanlation. The translation made the farewell much "better", I guess. :)

[ridgezipline]

With athena gone [depressed]... I hope Hina will enter the spot...... Nagi as Hayates friend ok.... love interest NO IN HELL !!!

I would gladly exchange Nagi's space for..... Hina, Maria, Ayumu...
seriously if hayate starts to look on Nagi with romantic feelins I will stop reading it... since it would be just sick (super undarage love...pedophilia)..... and at least Ayumu,Hina and Maria are the same or little older than hayate (15-17years barrier) so its ok


i think romance won't develop til nagi would be a bit older (at least drawn older) if it really ends up as hayate x nagi :heh:
but their bond is quite special already, seeing hayate would not want to transfer his debt to athena

but T____________________T lol when are we going to see athena again? :p
(i wish she really ends up happy -.- .. she totally owned the rest of the girls for me)

Guess it's back to Hayate X *inserts girl* moments. Go Isumi, I suppose...

make that Hayate x *girl of the month* lol
for some reason i like izumi also XD

[Used Can]

It's funny, I wonder if I can go back to support Hina the same way I used to. Before the EotW arc, the scanlations were too far behind. However, since foolrulez started scanlating Hayate, and I kept on catching up, other characters like Izumi and, all over the most, Ayumu started growing on me. In fact, I think now I like Ayumu as much as I like Hina. So, I guess it's a tie between them for me, now. Maria... unless Hata stops treating her like a gag-character, I don't think I'll be rooting for her.

Nevertheless, one way or the other, I don't think I'll ever like any of them as much as liked Athena. In fact, with her gone and with this story-line done, I think half of my reasons for reading this manga are over. I'll try keeping up with it, but something tells me I'll go back to reading it spontaneously. But, well, who knows, Hata may surprise us and write a really good story. All the same, at this point in time, I'm honestly not expecting too much.

[Wolfnagi]

This chapter...

Wow, way to warn the reader.... to stop ignoring Nagi, and that she's actually special.

So this is the end eh?

Hayate pretty much gave up on Athena romantically... and is now interested in whether or not he can find a new person he can say he loves... Which puts Nagi's face in.

Lame....

I liked Hinagiku before Athena came into the picture (introduction wise).. and only the young Athena.

But with her gone... I hope Hinagiku can take the spot light away from Nagi... (like that's gonna happen)

"Stabbed Gambino thousand times"

Athena is gone...... so I wonder when Nagi arc. will end so Nagi disapears forever too...like athena did... (athena gave up the most imporant thing in the world for her... which is her love........ I wonder if Nagi would do the same and let hayte go to another girl....like athena just did)


With athena gone [depressed]... I hope Hina will enter the spot...... Nagi as Hayates friend ok.... love interest NO IN HELL !!!

I would gladly exchange Nagi's space for..... Hina, Maria, Ayumu...

seriously if hayate starts to look on Nagi with romantic feelins I will stop reading it... since it would be just sick (super undarage love...pedophilia)..... and at least Ayumu,Hina and Maria are the same or little older than hayate (15-17years barrier) so its ok

well I root for Hina... since everyone thinks of her as monster duo her strenght... and that she acts more like a boy.... so her winning hayate at the end would show her as a girl once for all to everyone...

anyway I doubt that Athena disapperas from the scene forever...I mean Wataru has another stone... so I guess the RP will come back in future... it would be funny if hayate ended up beign locked in that RP alone and all he girls try to save him from there... or be with him there...


but in my opinion it would be super funny if Athena went to japan... and builded up her new house next to Nagis mansion.... so both girls could fight for hayates affection (nagi would gain a strong rival)..... yet Hata cuts down this possibility and development of all girls... and forcefully pushed to Nagi side (shivers of disgust...)

First,
It can't be called pedo cause they only have three years difference and thus,
It is not underage love
second,
"Stabbed zibi 100 times"
Why are eveyone hate ojou!!!!!!
VOL!!!!!!
WE NEED BACKUP!!!!!!!!!!

[zibi88]

"Stabbed Gambino thousand times"



First,
It can't be called pedo cause they only have three years difference and thus,
It is not underage love
second,
"Stabbed zibi 100 times"
Why are eveyone hate ojou!!!!!!
VOL!!!!!!
WE NEED BACKUP!!!!!!!!!!

you can stab as many times you want I dont care..... well nagis patterns are repeating themselfs over and over and over again (the slack all day.. paly games...mangas... and most talks bring to the same issue regarging animes...)... it simply is boring for me....

athena kinda had a refreshemnt and it would be more funny and could bring more development to nagi.... like she saw ultra mature athena and sees that haayte has candy eyes for her...... so she would try to act mode modest like athena (simly change herself) and not remain "angry like hayate mentioned" or childish.... athena was more serious on way younger age...

but now it stuck with nagi alone again.... and if it goes back to the old nagi (like above anime,manga,games) I will be pissed ^^

I prey to god that it would have at least Maria & Hina focus now... and not develop all girls than throw them again like with athena.... becouse hayate has to stay with that braty, childish and flat nagi at the end anyway's (he is her butler so he must end up with mistress at the end no matter what... and no matter how many girls appear)

I would be glad if Hayate won on lottery the 150m yen payed nagi back... so he would be on a point where he can make a choice whenever he wants.... like he fells in love with another girl he can leave anytime and have his own happy life as he wants....... since now he is tied to the debt and cant leave...

well it sounds cruel that he used nagi to survive for a while... but still hayate did not sell his soul to her... he has free will and heart he should choice for himself and not be forced into nonsense relantionship.... it would be more ok with Ayumu, Maria or Hina... since they are clasified as the "normal people" (not close to the rich level... yet not poor like hayate... simply normal level as other people)..... since nagi thinks that becosue Hayate is her buttler..... he belongs only to her (like his soul beloings to her and any other girl is not accepted.... this is f...g cruell people are not objects.... athena let go even thorught she didnt wanted to.... but would nagi let hayte go to another girl that easyly ???? I dont think soo... example is the Hina date... Nagi didnt agreeded for Ayumus date becouse it would be too dangerous [for nagi].... yet he let with hina becouse she thinks nothing will come from this [hina a monster]

[Used Can]

Well, Nagi has never forced him to do anything (well, not to the extent of forfeiting his own happiness to protect her). Hayate prioritises her out of his own will, and he's happy doing so. That's the way Hata has decided to write his character, whether fans like it or not.

[LeaD36]

Shit, this pretty much means we got the Hayate x Nagi flag rolling.....

I can already see the ending, but

me no likey:(

[GlassesLady]

Athena is gone...... so I wonder when Nagi arc. will end so Nagi disapears forever too...like athena did... (athena gave up the most imporant thing in the world for her... which is her love........ I wonder if Nagi would do the same and let hayte go to another girl....like athena just did)

What exactly do you mean by 'Nagi arc'? If you mean something where she disappears after it ends, you can only really mean the entire series /: She's the main female lead.
And letting someone go isn't the only way to show your love for them, you know.

seriously if hayate starts to look on Nagi with romantic feelins I will stop reading it... since it would be just sick (super undarage love...pedophilia)..... and at least Ayumu,Hina and Maria are the same or little older than hayate (15-17years barrier) so its ok

It's only a three year age difference. And it's not like Hayate is even that mature anyway.

[~Yami~]

aaaaa.... I don't like this..!! Why does Hayate must give up on Athena..??

I hope they only separate for a while and ended up together again T_T

[Mentar]

We're very much in a reset situation now. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole romance business would begin to take quite a backseat for a while.

1) Nagi - doesn't even KNOW about Athena. I'd foresee drama for her if Hata does go after her for crushing the stone, but as I said - unless Nagi matures, she's out of focus for a REAL romance. And I wouldn't be surprised if a different "happy ending" would be developed for her: Return of Nagi's mother, or maybe developing feelings for someone her age (remember Ayumu's brother?)

2) Maria - very reasonable, very collected. TOO reasonable and collected at the moment. If anything romancewise is supposed to happen with her, she'll need to lose her balance some. Will we get to see anything in this direction? Also, she has the downside of effectively being Nagi's surrogate mother. How would that play out?

3) Hina - I definitely wouldn't expect any confessing activity of hers in the near future. I'd rather expect her to try to "get back to normal" with her feelings messing her up. If anything, she'll probably get mad at Hayate for neglecting Athena ;) ... so, nothing from her side for a while.

4) Ayumu - I wonder how they will keep her in the story. Somehow I have difficulties picturing her transferring over to Hakuou. And the cafe part-time job also won't be enough. But she is a vital and very popular character, so... what's next? I hope to see alot of her! Other than Hina - who won't talk - she's the only one who knows about Athena. So, she's in yet another key position to kick things off...

[Used Can]

4) Ayumu - I wonder how they will keep her in the story. Somehow I have difficulties picturing her transferring over to Hakuou.
Does she even need to get into Hakuō? As I've mentioned before, there's no assurance that Nagi and Hayate can go back to Hakuō since Nagi lost her inheritance, and therefore, they'd be unable to cover the fees - unless, as I said before, Athena and/or Hina can do anything about it.

Personally, I think the series will change. I'm expecting Nagi to receive a major focus, and maybe Maria too. I think from now on, we'll see them trying to start over now that they have no money. I'm sure the other characters will be there to support them, but for some reason that's all I think they'll do. In addition to all of this, there still many of the factors the EotW arc has left in the story, and that will surely have an effect on the plot, one way or the other. So, I think just as Nagi pointed it out one chapter ago, this is a new beginning.

[Mentar]

Well, it's not like they have no money at all. It was said that if Mikado acted on his threat, Nagi wouldn't have enough to maintain her lifestyle and the mansion, not that they're destitute. That would lack a bit of impact though, so I hope for a BIG DEAL development out of the blue ;)

Still, I somehow doubt that we'll now see The Adolescence of Nagi or something. It would REALLY alter her character. I believe she'll stay the "kid ojousama to be protected (but not loved) by Hayate" till the end of the show.

[DragoonKain3]

???

I dunno about other people, including those in the same ship as me, but this chapter just reinforced my feeling that Hayate and Athena will end up together. To that point that, yes, I am now officially 'all in', to put it in poker terms.

Why? For one, despite Athena and Hayate speaking in past tense of how they loved each other, its still pretty obvious they still have feelings towards the other party. I mean you don't kiss each other goodbye if this wasn't the case; actions speak much louder than words.

(Sure you can argue that kiss scene was strictly a flashback, but considering the "I'm sorry" part was trailed of in the present time and continued to the 'flashback', its more reasonable to assume that the very same thing was happening in the present. Just that the authour merely swapped their younger selves as a sort of imagery, or, more likely, that the present scene of Athena forgiving Hayate was an exact replica of what happened in the past.)

Really, Hayate didn't follow Athena because he didn't love her, but because he has a debt (both monetary and otherwise) to Nagi. That's why you get Nagi's image when Hayate was thinking if he ever would have the chance to do another love confession, because he knows his debt to her would be the biggest obstacle to any romantic relationship, just like it is now with Athena.

Until that debt has been repaid, Hayate will be unsuccessful towards any and all romantic relationship. But then again, we pretty much knew this was the case ever since the time Nagi paid those yakuza off, no?

I mean sure, I can be wrong (just like those who call 'all in' aren't always successful), but my confidence hasn't been higher than, well, ever. So I'm at a loss as to why that even my fellow shippers are dejected at our ship's chances. :shrug:


1) Nagi - doesn't even KNOW about Athena. I'd foresee drama for her if Hata does go after her for crushing the stone, but as I said - unless Nagi matures, she's out of focus for a REAL romance. And I wouldn't be surprised if a different "happy ending" would be developed for her: Return of Nagi's mother, or maybe developing feelings for someone her age (remember Ayumu's brother?)

Funny you mention this. Unless I have missed it (or totally don't remember; 250+ chapters is A LOT to memorize lol), for all their pursuit of people other than each other, Nagi and Wataru are still engaged. And no talk of them breaking it up still. XD

I'd even go so far that those two are just in denial ("There's no way I have feelings for that shorty/brat!!!" <3), but that's just my shippy side talking lol.

[Rah]

Here's 1 spoiler pic, and some text. At least I think they're new..

More will eventually be posted in the MFox Spam Thread once they're found. If not by me, then surely by Ori-tan.


http://i42.tinypic.com/28r1376.jpg

とりあえずサンデー見て来た。266話「さらば遠き日」
帰国の日、空港へ付くハヤテ一行。免税品店に突進する泉達。
ハヤテが一人になった所を見計り、ヒナギクがアテネとの事を聞こうとする。
しかし、ナギのA330（仮）の離陸時間が来て、肝心な事は聞けなかった。
空港へ到着する愛歌さん。そこへマキナ登場し、書類の入った封筒と
手紙を渡す。「これでハンバーガー抜きは免れた。」と喜んで去って行く。
ハヤテ達の飛行機が滑走路に、ハヤテがナギに「今の理事長は代理だけど、
大事な行事の時は、本人が来るのですか？」と聞く。その通りと言われ
少し安心するハヤテ。滑走路に入るA330。ハヤテがふと外を見ると、
展望台の所にアテネの姿が。モノログ「多分これが最後になるという
予感がした。」（ハヤアテは再び幼児投影）A330離陸。
次は、ヒナギク達の飛行機。泉達はお休み。ヒナギクがハム沢さんに
アテネの事について説明。ハム沢さんは、「一度会って見たいな。」
ヒナギク「彼女は理事長で学園の経営者だから、いずれは帰国するわ。
3人で会うのも面白いかも。」しかし、「それ、無理。」そこにFクラスから
愛歌さん登場。手紙を渡す。それを読んだ二人は驚愕。
窓の外を見ながら、愛歌さん「一つの時代が終わったわね。」
ハヤテ達の飛行機が成田に到着。旅行の感想を話すナギ達。
「けど疲れましたね。」「疲れたので明日は休養なのだ。」
「明日は学校ですね。ナギ。」黒マリアさんの笑顔で、ナギは震えて
「もちろんなのだ。」その後せっかくなので、空港のレストランで何か
食べようとナギが提案。歩き出す3人。大型テレビの前を通る。
「クロマグロの危機は一応去りました。」ハヤテが何気なく画面を見た。
「次のニュースです。天王州家令嬢が名門白皇学園の経営権と理事長職
を完全に委譲する事を表明しました。葛葉キリカさんが正式理事長に。」
理由については「一身上の都合。」　驚くハヤテ（もう本当に、お別れなんだね
あーたん。）ハヤテの目に光る物が。ハヤテの異変に気付きナギマリアが
心配そうに声を掛ける。ハヤテは「お嬢様の執事として、今後も守って行く」
事を改めて誓うハヤテ。二人の方を振り向いた時には、悲しみは微塵も
見せず笑顔で、「何か有りましたか。」安心するナギ。

Google Translate:

I saw the Sunday anyway. About 266 "Farewell, Distant Sun."
Return date, one line stuck Hayate to the airport. Izumi Satoru rush to duty-free shops.
One measure was the place to find Hayate, and Athens to hear things are daisies.
However, Nagi A330 (tentative) Time has come off, and I say it is essential.
Love song to the airport's arrival. Makina appeared there, and the envelope containing the document
Pass the letter. "This was saved without hamburgers." Willingly go away.
Hayate our plane on the runway, and the Hayate Nagi, "but now the President of the agency,
The occasion when do I come in person? "I asked. That's been said
Hayate feel some relief. Runway into A330. Hayate is suddenly and looked out,
Where the figure of the Athens Observatory. Log things "that perhaps this would be the last
I had a hunch. "(Haya Ate the baby back projection) A330 takeoff.
Next, our plane daisies. Izumi Satoru is closed. Sawa is a Daisy Ham
Athens explain things. Sawa Ham said, "I met him once and see."
Daisy, "She is the executive director of the school, I'll eventually return home.
Also be interesting to meet three people. "But," it not. "Classes where F
Love song's appearance. Pass the letter. They are surprised to read it.
Looking out the window, love song's "I'm one end of an era."
Hayate our plane arrived at Narita. Our travel feedback Nagi said.
"I was tired, but.." "Tomorrow is a rest, so tired."
"Tomorrow is school. Nagi." Black Maria says with a smile, shaking the Nagi
"It's a course." After so much trouble, something in the airport restaurant
Nagi suggested to eat. Walking three. Pass in front of large TV.
"The bluefin tuna is left once the crisis." Hayate looked casually screen.
"The following news. Workers and management rights of school president imperial family is daughter of a white state House Tenno
Delegate expressed it completely. The president's official Kuzuba Kilika. "
The reason for "personal reasons." Hayate surprised (really now, I'm farewell
Ah tan. ) The lights in the eyes of Hayate. Mary noticed the incident Hayate Nagi
Call out anxiously. Hayate "As a steward of the princess, keep going in the future."
Hayate again I swear. Turned to two people at the slightest sadness
Showing a smile, "There has or something." Nagi relieved.

[Wolfnagi]

Here's 1 spoiler pic, and some text. At least I think they're new..

More will eventually be posted in the MFox Spam Thread once they're found. If not by me, then surely by Ori-tan.


http://i42.tinypic.com/28r1376.jpg

とりあえずサンデー見て来た。266話「さらば遠き日」
帰国の日、空港へ付くハヤテ一行。免税品店に突進する泉達。
ハヤテが一人になった所を見計り、ヒナギクがアテネとの事を聞こうとする。
しかし、ナギのA330（仮）の離陸時間が来て、肝心な事は聞けなかった。
空港へ到着する愛歌さん。そこへマキナ登場し、書類の入った封筒と
手紙を渡す。「これでハンバーガー抜きは免れた。」と喜んで去って行く。
ハヤテ達の飛行機が滑走路に、ハヤテがナギに「今の理事長は代理だけど、
大事な行事の時は、本人が来るのですか？」と聞く。その通りと言われ
少し安心するハヤテ。滑走路に入るA330。ハヤテがふと外を見ると、
展望台の所にアテネの姿が。モノログ「多分これが最後になるという
予感がした。」（ハヤアテは再び幼児投影）A330離陸。
次は、ヒナギク達の飛行機。泉達はお休み。ヒナギクがハム沢さんに
アテネの事について説明。ハム沢さんは、「一度会って見たいな。」
ヒナギク「彼女は理事長で学園の経営者だから、いずれは帰国するわ。
3人で会うのも面白いかも。」しかし、「それ、無理。」そこにFクラスから
愛歌さん登場。手紙を渡す。それを読んだ二人は驚愕。
窓の外を見ながら、愛歌さん「一つの時代が終わったわね。」
ハヤテ達の飛行機が成田に到着。旅行の感想を話すナギ達。
「けど疲れましたね。」「疲れたので明日は休養なのだ。」
「明日は学校ですね。ナギ。」黒マリアさんの笑顔で、ナギは震えて
「もちろんなのだ。」その後せっかくなので、空港のレストランで何か
食べようとナギが提案。歩き出す3人。大型テレビの前を通る。
「クロマグロの危機は一応去りました。」ハヤテが何気なく画面を見た。
「次のニュースです。天王州家令嬢が名門白皇学園の経営権と理事長職
を完全に委譲する事を表明しました。葛葉キリカさんが正式理事長に。」
理由については「一身上の都合。」　驚くハヤテ（もう本当に、お別れなんだね
あーたん。）ハヤテの目に光る物が。ハヤテの異変に気付きナギマリアが
心配そうに声を掛ける。ハヤテは「お嬢様の執事として、今後も守って行く」
事を改めて誓うハヤテ。二人の方を振り向いた時には、悲しみは微塵も
見せず笑顔で、「何か有りましたか。」安心するナギ。

Google Translate:

I saw the Sunday anyway. About 266 "Farewell, Distant Sun."
Return date, one line stuck Hayate to the airport. Izumi Satoru rush to duty-free shops.
One measure was the place to find Hayate, and Athens to hear things are daisies.
However, Nagi A330 (tentative) Time has come off, and I say it is essential.
Love song to the airport's arrival. Makina appeared there, and the envelope containing the document
Pass the letter. "This was saved without hamburgers." Willingly go away.
Hayate our plane on the runway, and the Hayate Nagi, "but now the President of the agency,
The occasion when do I come in person? "I asked. That's been said
Hayate feel some relief. Runway into A330. Hayate is suddenly and looked out,
Where the figure of the Athens Observatory. Log things "that perhaps this would be the last
I had a hunch. "(Haya Ate the baby back projection) A330 takeoff.
Next, our plane daisies. Izumi Satoru is closed. Sawa is a Daisy Ham
Athens explain things. Sawa Ham said, "I met him once and see."
Daisy, "She is the executive director of the school, I'll eventually return home.
Also be interesting to meet three people. "But," it not. "Classes where F
Love song's appearance. Pass the letter. They are surprised to read it.
Looking out the window, love song's "I'm one end of an era."
Hayate our plane arrived at Narita. Our travel feedback Nagi said.
"I was tired, but.." "Tomorrow is a rest, so tired."
"Tomorrow is school. Nagi." Black Maria says with a smile, shaking the Nagi
"It's a course." After so much trouble, something in the airport restaurant
Nagi suggested to eat. Walking three. Pass in front of large TV.
"The bluefin tuna is left once the crisis." Hayate looked casually screen.
"The following news. Workers and management rights of school president imperial family is daughter of a white state House Tenno
Delegate expressed it completely. The president's official Kuzuba Kilika. "
The reason for "personal reasons." Hayate surprised (really now, I'm farewell
Ah tan. ) The lights in the eyes of Hayate. Mary noticed the incident Hayate Nagi
Call out anxiously. Hayate "As a steward of the princess, keep going in the future."
Hayate again I swear. Turned to two people at the slightest sadness
Showing a smile, "There has or something." Nagi relieved.

OMG!!!!!!
Naked Sakuya!!!!!!
"Run away"

We're very much in a reset situation now. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole romance business would begin to take quite a backseat for a while.

1) Nagi - doesn't even KNOW about Athena. I'd foresee drama for her if Hata does go after her for crushing the stone, but as I said - unless Nagi matures, she's out of focus for a REAL romance. And I wouldn't be surprised if a different "happy ending" would be developed for her: Return of Nagi's mother, or maybe developing feelings for someone her age (remember Ayumu's brother?)


That guy,
give me this,
http://i.livescience.com/images/Prototype-03.jpg

What exactly do you mean by 'Nagi arc'? If you mean something where she disappears after it ends, you can only really mean the entire series /: She's the main female lead.
And letting someone go isn't the only way to show your love for them, you know.


I'm right here Ichigo.......
You have my support xD

[ridgezipline]

???
Until that debt has been repaid, Hayate will be unsuccessful towards any and all romantic relationship.

well this one i agree on...

Here's 1 spoiler pic, and some text. At least I think they're new..

More will eventually be posted in the MFox Spam Thread once they're found. If not by me, then surely by Ori-tan.


http://i42.tinypic.com/28r1376.jpg

とりあえずサンデー見て来た。266話「さらば遠き日」
帰国の日、空港へ付くハヤテ一行。免税品店に突進する泉達。
ハヤテが一人になった所を見計り、ヒナギクがアテネとの事を聞こうとする。
しかし、ナギのA330（仮）の離陸時間が来て、肝心な事は聞けなかった。
空港へ到着する愛歌さん。そこへマキナ登場し、書類の入った封筒と
手紙を渡す。「これでハンバーガー抜きは免れた。」と喜んで去って行く。
ハヤテ達の飛行機が滑走路に、ハヤテがナギに「今の理事長は代理だけど、
大事な行事の時は、本人が来るのですか？」と聞く。その通りと言われ
少し安心するハヤテ。滑走路に入るA330。ハヤテがふと外を見ると、
展望台の所にアテネの姿が。モノログ「多分これが最後になるという
予感がした。」（ハヤアテは再び幼児投影）A330離陸。
次は、ヒナギク達の飛行機。泉達はお休み。ヒナギクがハム沢さんに
アテネの事について説明。ハム沢さんは、「一度会って見たいな。」
ヒナギク「彼女は理事長で学園の経営者だから、いずれは帰国するわ。
3人で会うのも面白いかも。」しかし、「それ、無理。」そこにFクラスから
愛歌さん登場。手紙を渡す。それを読んだ二人は驚愕。
窓の外を見ながら、愛歌さん「一つの時代が終わったわね。」
ハヤテ達の飛行機が成田に到着。旅行の感想を話すナギ達。
「けど疲れましたね。」「疲れたので明日は休養なのだ。」
「明日は学校ですね。ナギ。」黒マリアさんの笑顔で、ナギは震えて
「もちろんなのだ。」その後せっかくなので、空港のレストランで何か
食べようとナギが提案。歩き出す3人。大型テレビの前を通る。
「クロマグロの危機は一応去りました。」ハヤテが何気なく画面を見た。
「次のニュースです。天王州家令嬢が名門白皇学園の経営権と理事長職
を完全に委譲する事を表明しました。葛葉キリカさんが正式理事長に。」
理由については「一身上の都合。」　驚くハヤテ（もう本当に、お別れなんだね
あーたん。）ハヤテの目に光る物が。ハヤテの異変に気付きナギマリアが
心配そうに声を掛ける。ハヤテは「お嬢様の執事として、今後も守って行く」
事を改めて誓うハヤテ。二人の方を振り向いた時には、悲しみは微塵も
見せず笑顔で、「何か有りましたか。」安心するナギ。

Google Translate:

I saw the Sunday anyway. About 266 "Farewell, Distant Sun."
Return date, one line stuck Hayate to the airport. Izumi Satoru rush to duty-free shops.
One measure was the place to find Hayate, and Athens to hear things are daisies.
However, Nagi A330 (tentative) Time has come off, and I say it is essential.
Love song to the airport's arrival. Makina appeared there, and the envelope containing the document
Pass the letter. "This was saved without hamburgers." Willingly go away.
Hayate our plane on the runway, and the Hayate Nagi, "but now the President of the agency,
The occasion when do I come in person? "I asked. That's been said
Hayate feel some relief. Runway into A330. Hayate is suddenly and looked out,
Where the figure of the Athens Observatory. Log things "that perhaps this would be the last
I had a hunch. "(Haya Ate the baby back projection) A330 takeoff.
Next, our plane daisies. Izumi Satoru is closed. Sawa is a Daisy Ham
Athens explain things. Sawa Ham said, "I met him once and see."
Daisy, "She is the executive director of the school, I'll eventually return home.
Also be interesting to meet three people. "But," it not. "Classes where F
Love song's appearance. Pass the letter. They are surprised to read it.
Looking out the window, love song's "I'm one end of an era."
Hayate our plane arrived at Narita. Our travel feedback Nagi said.
"I was tired, but.." "Tomorrow is a rest, so tired."
"Tomorrow is school. Nagi." Black Maria says with a smile, shaking the Nagi
"It's a course." After so much trouble, something in the airport restaurant
Nagi suggested to eat. Walking three. Pass in front of large TV.
"The bluefin tuna is left once the crisis." Hayate looked casually screen.
"The following news. Workers and management rights of school president imperial family is daughter of a white state House Tenno
Delegate expressed it completely. The president's official Kuzuba Kilika. "
The reason for "personal reasons." Hayate surprised (really now, I'm farewell
Ah tan. ) The lights in the eyes of Hayate. Mary noticed the incident Hayate Nagi
Call out anxiously. Hayate "As a steward of the princess, keep going in the future."
Hayate again I swear. Turned to two people at the slightest sadness
Showing a smile, "There has or something." Nagi relieved.

thanks for the post! :D

what does this mean ?? athena's not really going back to japan?? :( (can someone please explain this ... i can't understand lol :P)

[Bastion_Arcion]

athena kinda had a refreshemnt and it would be more funny and could bring more development to nagi.... like she saw ultra mature athena and sees that haayte has candy eyes for her...... so she would try to act mode modest like athena (simly change herself) and not remain "angry like hayate mentioned" or childish.... athena was more serious on way younger age...

I find this statement particularly amusing. The closest thing to 'eye candy' that Athena held for Hayate, Nagi has already seen. She's the character known as Hinagiku, and Nagi's already growing in maturity because of it.

Also, why do people still think the debt is about the money? It's become pretty clear that none of the characters see it as such anymore.

Hayate has given his heart and word to protecting Nagi, that's the 'debt' now.

[Game8910]

I find this statement particularly amusing. The closest thing to 'eye candy' that Athena held for Hayate, Nagi has already seen. She's the character known as Hinagiku, and Nagi's already growing in maturity because of it.

I dont think Hinagiku can "match up" to Athena if you know what I mean....thats what zibi was talking about as well

[Bastion_Arcion]

I dont think Hinagiku can "match up" to Athena if you know what I mean....thats what zibi was talking about as well

Hayate has openly stared at Hinagiku. She may not think she stands a chance because of lack of physical development, but she clearly does in Hayate's view.

Considering that she definitely does have the type of body a guy would lust over, I think she's just denying that breasts aren't everything.
An unfortunate misconception the current world gives us.:dots:

[zibi88]

I find this statement particularly amusing. The closest thing to 'eye candy' that Athena held for Hayate, Nagi has already seen. She's the character known as Hinagiku, and Nagi's already growing in maturity because of it.

Also, why do people still think the debt is about the money? It's become pretty clear that none of the characters see it as such anymore.

Hayate has given his heart and word to protecting Nagi, that's the 'debt' now.

well if nagi officialy tells Hayate that she will accept everyone as his girlfriend (Hina,Ayumu ect simply one of them) than she can stay........ but if she acts selfish by acting like Hayate is her object/tool and no one besides her can approach it...... than I hope she will disappear (I mean Athena even thorught holding love feelings for hayate for 10years... for hayates sake of new gained friends and his life as now she backed off)

So if Nagi tells to hayate that he can go out with anyone he wants (has feelings for that person) and its not nessesery her (nagi)... than ok she matured..... but if she stays like she was durring the athen arc. like Ayumu asked nagi if she can go on a date with hayte where nagi instantly did not agree for that...... than she acts like allways and did not mature at all...

as for Hayate and giveing his heart to nagi.....its not becouse its his wish.... but more like he is "too kind" person that cant leave her behind (pity ?).... the same the dept wont allow him to leave too and find a girlfriend

anyway im not a "lolicon" so I prefer other more aged characters... Hina,Ayumu,Maria (offcourse Athena at 1st place but since she disappeared now its over T___T )......

so well for me the "give heart+word to protect" is a curse... he has to donate his whole life to do this... while not allowed to have his own happy life with the person he loved for 10years........ I put all my hope that the story from now on will focus on Hina and Maria


.....according to that spoiler text... it seems that Athena will rather never show up again.... she quit of beign the Hakou chief dirrector (she cutted herself from hayate) and now a former chief will get back to hakou............. anyway I hate Hata now this sick lolicon.... my hopes got crushed for the sake of another flat-loli (like in zeto no tsukaima....)......I dont get it why hata even bothered to bring up the whole Athena.. Royal garden... midas.... if he was going to crush Athenas charkacter just like that..........other girls bring less to the story yet they still are ongoing in the series >__< [goes into corner depressed]

[Bastion_Arcion]

well if nagi officialy tells Hayate that she will accept everyone as his girlfriend (Hina,Ayumu ect simply one of them) than she can stay........ but if she acts selfish by acting like Hayate is her object/tool and no one besides her can approach it...... than I hope she will disappear (I mean Athena even thorught holding love feelings for hayate for 10years... for hayates sake of new gained friends and his life as now she backed off)

So if Nagi tells to hayate that he can go out with anyone he wants (has feelings for that person) and its not nessesery her (nagi)... than ok she matured..... but if she stays like she was durring the athen arc. like Ayumu asked nagi if she can go on a date with hayte where nagi instantly did not agree for that...... than she acts like allways and did not mature at all...

The fact that she's sent Hayate out on dates with two girls that weren't her didn't say this loudly enough for you?

I saw the Ayumu-rejection as Nagi maturing amusingly enough.
Nagi noticed that Hayate likes mature girls, and so when Ayumu acts like a child saying that she wants a date with him (to another girl), she gets her attempt shut down because Nagi realizes that it's not something Hayate would like.

[aldw]

I dont get it why hata even bothered to bring up the whole Athena.. Royal garden... midas.... if he was going to crush Athenas charkacter just like that..........other girls bring less to the story yet they still are ongoing in the series >__< [goes into corner depressed]

I understand the sentiment, having seen Taiga in Toradora and Louise in ZnT it does get tiresome dealing with the flat-chested loli always being the center. The only one I ever considered worthwhile was Shana, and even then Margery was the more interesting character.

[mitsuganae]

Does anyone remember the rom-com film Two Weeks Notice (starring Sandra Bullock and Hugh Grant)? My gut feeling is that this quote from the end of the film would be applicable to Nagi's new financial state:

“When I say I'm poor, I mean we may have to share a helicopter with another family. ”

[Rickketik]

I have to say after reading 265, Hayate x Athena is DEFINITELY over! And so is the chance for all the other girls (I feel bad for Hina)

...And all of a sudden, Nagi x Hayate written in stone. We all know that Nagi is very attached to Hayate (not sure if it's 'love' or not) but for the first time and completely out of nowhere, it seems Hayate might look at Nagi in a romantic way.

[aldw]

I have to say after reading 265, Hayate x Athena is DEFINITELY over! And so is the chance for all the other girls (I feel bad for Hina)

...And all of a sudden, Nagi x Hayate written in stone. We all know that Nagi is very attached to Hayate (not sure if it's 'love' or not) but for the first time and completely out of nowhere, it seems Hayate might look at Nagi in a romantic way.

It's not over by a long shot, hell by that logic Ayumu should give up but nobody's giving up, period. :p

[Bastion_Arcion]

It's not over by a long shot, hell by that logic Ayumu should give up but nobody's giving up, period. :p

Ayumu even reinforced that she's going to keep on trying earlier in this arc even.

[WildArms]

After reading chapter 265, HnG officially went down like 10 or 20 places in my fav manga/anime list.

Now i know.. this will end up with an open ending, so we can all choose wichever girl we want from our freaking imagination, thanks Hata, for once again, showing me that Business is more important than story. I cant belive hayate was saying he loves her and now suddenly they talk in past tense and he just let her go... this was sooo forced *sigh*

[GDB]

Now i know.. this will end up with an open ending, so we can all choose wichever girl we want from our freaking imagination, thanks Hata, for once again, showing me that Business is more important than story. I cant belive hayate was saying he loves her and now suddenly they talk in past tense and he just let her go... this was sooo forced *sigh*

What? I'd say the fact that girls are leaving the harem is actually proof that it WILL have a conclusive ending. If it were going to remain open, then none of the girls would be removed from the harem and each would be given their chances.

And please, stop acting so dramatic as if the story has been actually hurt. I'm sure you're an Athena fan, since that's really the only way you'd see it that way. Just as those who hated Athena felt that the story was being hurt by her inclusion. Works both ways, so the fact that the story actually progressed shows that he cares more about the story than worrying about whether a segment of his fan base may or may not be upset.

[Rickketik]

It's not over by a long shot, hell by that logic Ayumu should give up but nobody's giving up, period. :p

No it's over. In this type of genre, when the main character gives up on a girl, then it over. Story wise it might look as if it's not 100% certain, but it is.

I have been reading stuff like this for years, and haven't been surprised that often after this kind of character development. And I don't believe that Hata is the type of Author to surprise me. :heh:

[babohtea]

What? I'd say the fact that girls are leaving the harem is actually proof that it WILL have a conclusive ending. If it were going to remain open, then none of the girls would be removed from the harem and each would be given their chances.

And please, stop acting so dramatic as if the story has been actually hurt. I'm sure you're an Athena fan, since that's really the only way you'd see it that way. Just as those who hated Athena felt that the story was being hurt by her inclusion. Works both ways, so the fact that the story actually progressed shows that he cares more about the story than worrying about whether a segment of his fan base may or may not be upset.
No. We know nothing. It could end in a harem, nothing we've seen has been conclusive.

Even the most liberal harem manga have female characters who are 100% unviable. Just because Athena's gone doesn't remove the possibility of a harem ending, and it certainly doesn't remove the harem status of this manga thus far.

[Mentar]

???

I dunno about other people, including those in the same ship as me, but this chapter just reinforced my feeling that Hayate and Athena will end up together. To that point that, yes, I am now officially 'all in', to put it in poker terms.

Call.

*prepares to fetch your chips*

The probability of Athena/Hayate in the _main arc_ is essentially nil by now. There is nothing left to be gained and no story to be told here. The reason why Hata could go so all-out with the Athena/Hayate showdown is exactly because she will NOT be part of the main arc anymore. The "Royal Garden" story is told. The two love each other. This is the "happy ending" for this aspect, and this is why Hata spread the cutesy/bittersweet ending over 4 full chapters. It only borrowed the HnG characters, and now it needs to hand them back.

How do we know? The past tense. Not only Athena, but even Hayate is moving on. That wouldn't be necessary if the author wouldn't very consciously _want_ them to move on. Otherwise we could have had the "one day we'll meet again (and love each other)". Instead he's letting Hayate ask himself when (not if) he'll be able to tell someone ELSE genuinely that he loves them. The meta-level strikes again. Hata wants to condition the reader NOT to expect long-range Athena faithfulness. He consciously tags him as "single". That's why.

Funny you mention this. Unless I have missed it (or totally don't remember; 250+ chapters is A LOT to memorize lol), for all their pursuit of people other than each other, Nagi and Wataru are still engaged. And no talk of them breaking it up still. XD

Wataru has too many worthy suitors on his end. I'd say that Nagi isn't impossible, but it strikes me as unlikely.

[GDB]

No. We know nothing. It could end in a harem, nothing we've seen has been conclusive.

Obviously, because if it were conclusive the manga would be finished.

Even the most liberal harem manga have female characters who are 100% unviable.

And they still get time with the harem-lead to make their fans happy, and make it seem like they have a chance. Hayate no Gotoku isn't really doing that.

Just because Athena's gone doesn't remove the possibility of a harem ending, and it certainly doesn't remove the harem status of this manga thus far.

It might not remove the possibility, but it sure makes it less likely. And who said anything about removing the harem status? I said it makes it less likely to end with a harem, not that he no longer has a harem.

[aldw]

No it's over. In this type of genre, when the main character gives up on a girl, then it over. Story wise it might look as if it's not 100% certain, but it is.

I have been reading stuff like this for years, and haven't been surprised that often after this kind of character development. And I don't believe that Hata is the type of Author to surprise me. :heh:

If this was more like AkiSora the bad endings would be more palatable, but if it's more towards the Toradora BS then it just goes into the pile of burnable rubbish. :D

[GDB]

If this was more like AkiSora the bad endings would be more palatable, but if it's more towards the Toradora BS then it just goes into the pile of burnable rubbish. :D

Yeah, who wants a conclusive story with logical story telling when you can have a main character bang a new girl every couple of chapters?

[primuler]

Here's 1 spoiler pic, and some text. At least I think they're new..

More will eventually be posted in the MFox Spam Thread once they're found. If not by me, then surely by Ori-tan.


http://i42.tinypic.com/28r1376.jpg

とりあえずサンデー見て来た。266話「さらば遠き日」
帰国の日、空港へ付くハヤテ一行。免税品店に突進する泉達。
ハヤテが一人になった所を見計り、ヒナギクがアテネとの事を聞こうとする。
しかし、ナギのA330（仮）の離陸時間が来て、肝心な事は聞けなかった。
空港へ到着する愛歌さん。そこへマキナ登場し、書類の入った封筒と
手紙を渡す。「これでハンバーガー抜きは免れた。」と喜んで去って行く。
ハヤテ達の飛行機が滑走路に、ハヤテがナギに「今の理事長は代理だけど、
大事な行事の時は、本人が来るのですか？」と聞く。その通りと言われ
少し安心するハヤテ。滑走路に入るA330。ハヤテがふと外を見ると、
展望台の所にアテネの姿が。モノログ「多分これが最後になるという
予感がした。」（ハヤアテは再び幼児投影）A330離陸。
次は、ヒナギク達の飛行機。泉達はお休み。ヒナギクがハム沢さんに
アテネの事について説明。ハム沢さんは、「一度会って見たいな。」
ヒナギク「彼女は理事長で学園の経営者だから、いずれは帰国するわ。
3人で会うのも面白いかも。」しかし、「それ、無理。」そこにFクラスから
愛歌さん登場。手紙を渡す。それを読んだ二人は驚愕。
窓の外を見ながら、愛歌さん「一つの時代が終わったわね。」
ハヤテ達の飛行機が成田に到着。旅行の感想を話すナギ達。
「けど疲れましたね。」「疲れたので明日は休養なのだ。」
「明日は学校ですね。ナギ。」黒マリアさんの笑顔で、ナギは震えて
「もちろんなのだ。」その後せっかくなので、空港のレストランで何か
食べようとナギが提案。歩き出す3人。大型テレビの前を通る。
「クロマグロの危機は一応去りました。」ハヤテが何気なく画面を見た。
「次のニュースです。天王州家令嬢が名門白皇学園の経営権と理事長職
を完全に委譲する事を表明しました。葛葉キリカさんが正式理事長に。」
理由については「一身上の都合。」　驚くハヤテ（もう本当に、お別れなんだね
あーたん。）ハヤテの目に光る物が。ハヤテの異変に気付きナギマリアが
心配そうに声を掛ける。ハヤテは「お嬢様の執事として、今後も守って行く」
事を改めて誓うハヤテ。二人の方を振り向いた時には、悲しみは微塵も
見せず笑顔で、「何か有りましたか。」安心するナギ。

Google Translate:

I saw the Sunday anyway. About 266 "Farewell, Distant Sun."
Return date, one line stuck Hayate to the airport. Izumi Satoru rush to duty-free shops.
One measure was the place to find Hayate, and Athens to hear things are daisies.
However, Nagi A330 (tentative) Time has come off, and I say it is essential.
Love song to the airport's arrival. Makina appeared there, and the envelope containing the document
Pass the letter. "This was saved without hamburgers." Willingly go away.
Hayate our plane on the runway, and the Hayate Nagi, "but now the President of the agency,
The occasion when do I come in person? "I asked. That's been said
Hayate feel some relief. Runway into A330. Hayate is suddenly and looked out,
Where the figure of the Athens Observatory. Log things "that perhaps this would be the last
I had a hunch. "(Haya Ate the baby back projection) A330 takeoff.
Next, our plane daisies. Izumi Satoru is closed. Sawa is a Daisy Ham
Athens explain things. Sawa Ham said, "I met him once and see."
Daisy, "She is the executive director of the school, I'll eventually return home.
Also be interesting to meet three people. "But," it not. "Classes where F
Love song's appearance. Pass the letter. They are surprised to read it.
Looking out the window, love song's "I'm one end of an era."
Hayate our plane arrived at Narita. Our travel feedback Nagi said.
"I was tired, but.." "Tomorrow is a rest, so tired."
"Tomorrow is school. Nagi." Black Maria says with a smile, shaking the Nagi
"It's a course." After so much trouble, something in the airport restaurant
Nagi suggested to eat. Walking three. Pass in front of large TV.
"The bluefin tuna is left once the crisis." Hayate looked casually screen.
"The following news. Workers and management rights of school president imperial family is daughter of a white state House Tenno
Delegate expressed it completely. The president's official Kuzuba Kilika. "
The reason for "personal reasons." Hayate surprised (really now, I'm farewell
Ah tan. ) The lights in the eyes of Hayate. Mary noticed the incident Hayate Nagi
Call out anxiously. Hayate "As a steward of the princess, keep going in the future."
Hayate again I swear. Turned to two people at the slightest sadness
Showing a smile, "There has or something." Nagi relieved.

The spoiler is a fake. At least, the screenshot is. If you look at the corner of the page closely, it says that it's chapter 8 of 'Hayae no Gotoku! Limited!' A special short comic that was contained inside DVD. (the comic is about nothing except Hayate unfortunately sighthing all the girl's naked body) And Hata mentioned in this week's diary that there will be epillogue for Golden Week next week.

God... I hate those fake spoilers...

[Master Chibi]

Yeah this arc was about the one reason I was absolutely in love with this manga, because the rest of the girls in this series are unbelievably forgettable, as was the most of the series to begin with.

Giving Hayate a real background and emotions that went past his stereotypical oblivious nature was so much more enjoyable, and now that this arc is done and Athena is just going to fucking sulk in Greece, well they should just end the manga.

What's left really? Sure, I rooted for Athena, but that's just the direction the story was going. It didn't feel like I was watching Wheel of Fortune, the guy just felt like he understood himself and had a real purpose. Did he ever even embrace a girl the way he did in this arc? Are they going to address the fact that he doesn't actually love Nagi now, but she loves him or are we going to revert to the same old same old now?

Bah.

[hinakatbklyn]

An ending like Athena's would usually be the end to a normal manga, but it looks like this series is not over yet. I can't see this happening because it would take too long (especially considering how long Athena's arc went) But would Hata actually go out of his way to actually write up a separate major arc for each character who has considered or has already confessed to Hayate? (Hina, Ayumu, Nagi, maybe even Maria). If that was the case, each one would get an ending whether happy or sad, and the heroine in the final arc would win the affections of Hayate.

[WildArms]

What? I'd say the fact that girls are leaving the harem is actually proof that it WILL have a conclusive ending. If it were going to remain open, then none of the girls would be removed from the harem and each would be given their chances.

And please, stop acting so dramatic as if the story has been actually hurt. I'm sure you're an Athena fan, since that's really the only way you'd see it that way. Just as those who hated Athena felt that the story was being hurt by her inclusion. Works both ways, so the fact that the story actually progressed shows that he cares more about the story than worrying about whether a segment of his fan base may or may not be upset.

Leaving the harem? it just started once again! this was just a simple arc it seems, im not athena fan, even more, i want hinagiku more, BUT iim a fan of mangas with conclusive stuff, i hate when they just leave stuff floating like that, seems pointless, unless is a mystery novel.
They said they loved each other,... now they dont? =since they were taking in past tense= and Hayate just let her go (even if he was so determined to get her). Seriously, all he did (hata or shonen) was giving food to the fanbase, when the dessert comes, he makes it dissappear.

Yes he cares more about the story, he cares so much that he just made it stupidly longer and open.

[Bastion_Arcion]

I'm not to clear on where this would fall with the rules of this forum, so I'm not going to go to the trouble of linking an AMV, but I've found what seems to be a perfect song to make this a happy ending for Athena as it's written, possibily even a song you could listen to while you read the chapters.
Big Girls Don't Cry
Since the lyrics seem to be about her saying goodbye to the one she loves because there's some things she needs to work out herself. Even though she doesn't want to leave them, but will miss them, and how it's because of those and not that she's rejecting him.

Poignant lines 'Fairy tales don't always have a happy ending.'
'It's time to be a big girl now, and big girls don't cry.'

[musouka]

And please, stop acting so dramatic as if the story has been actually hurt.

I'm not really upset that Athena is gone, even though she was my favorite character. I'm sure that she'll pop her head in every once in a while to spice things up, so that's not really an issue. I'm not at all surprised that she's been taken out of the harem, since she was just too powerful against the competition too.

Having said that, I do think the story has been "hurt", unless Hata completely shifts focus.

Hayate no Gotoku started out a quirky gag series that was slowly eaten by a mediocre romcom. At this point in time, no one really cares about the "plot" of HnG, it's "who will he end up with." This arc made it clear: Nagi or no one. (With Maria as the super dark horse if Hata still wants to do "family end")

So, in that respect, it's no longer a quirky gag series--it hasn't been in ages. The romance is played out and the conclusion is smacking everyone in the face. The plot is the thing of a thousand other shounen series.

What is there to be interested in now, really? Regardless of whether you loved or hated Athena, she upped the ante. She gave the series the appearance of being willing to take risks, so finding out that it was all a smokescreen after all is sort of disheartening to many people--moreso than how Athena herself ended up, I reckon.

[DragoonKain3]

The probability of Athena/Hayate in the _main arc_ is essentially nil by now. There is nothing left to be gained and no story to be told here. The reason why Hata could go so all-out with the Athena/Hayate showdown is exactly because she will NOT be part of the main arc anymore.
What I get from that chapter was that Athena will not be part of the main arc FOR NOW, hence the 'someday we will meet again' part.

So yes, we will go back to HnG being the quirky gag manga we have known it to be before this arc, for now anyways. Heck, that's what I'm expecting it to, after the heavy drama this current arc has been. Has to go back to its original state someday after all, and what better time than now, when the cause for this drama is out of the picture for now? But when we're going back to romcom style, you can bet dollars to donuts that Athena will be back.

After all, there's a reason why Nagi said that to forgive and to be forgiven is what binds people together. And that's what just has transpired between Athena and Hayate. So no, I wouldn't count out Athena yet, not by a long shot.

The "Royal Garden" story is told.
And that it did. Nothing stopping the author to make a new one if he so chooses, even if its Athena/Hayate.

How do we know? The past tense.
The only past tense is the 'loved' part. And as I said before, their actions after they said the past tense tells us that they still do even now.

Otherwise we could have had the "one day we'll meet again (and love each other)".
Uhh... didn't we just have that?

"We may not have many chances to meet... but don't worry. One day we'll meet again."

As for the 'love each other' part, its pretty obvious both parties cannot say that, as Athena doesn't want to cause more misery to Hayate.

nstead he's letting Hayate ask himself when (not if) he'll be able to tell someone ELSE genuinely that he loves them.
Uhh... translation does NOT tell us its suppose to be 'someone ELSE'. It just said 'someone'.

Unless someone who's fluent in moonspeak can vouch that it really was meant to be 'someone else'? I'm under the impression that the translation 'someone' was used because the subject was omitted like the Japanese are prone to, or some other reason, but certainly not because 'else' was intended in some way shape or form.

[musouka]

Uhh... translation does NOT tell us its suppose to be 'someone ELSE'. It just said 'someone'.

The implication is "someone else."

[Used Can]

Spoilers for 266

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I love you Athena.

[thenightsshadow]

Nice usage of the ring.

And poor Hina~ SHAFTed again?

[musouka]

I love you Athena.

Ahahahahaha! Well played, A-tan, well played.

[Used Can]

Can anyone post those pics in MangaFox or some other forum that people here many know of?
I don't want to keep a full set of spoilers posted here, since that's troublesome.

Anyway, yes, that last page was golden.
All the same, I still believe a Nagi end is 90% ensured, as of now.

[musouka]

Can anyone post those pics in MangaFox or some other forum that people here many know of?
I don't want to keep a full set of spoilers posted here, since that's troublesome.

Anyway, yes, that last page was golden.
All the same, I still believe a Nagi end is 90% ensured, as of now.

Personally, what I really loved...

...was her "No, I'm the one that should be thanking you. Which is why I gave THAT [meaning Hayate] back."

"But...I don't know about next time." [angelic smile]

Ahh~ I really do love you, Athena.

[Rah]

Kay, I'll do that, Can onii-chan.

Spam thread.. you know where it is...



Anyway, what happens in this chap?


Edity~

Umm...

This linky seems to be DEAD.

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x2

I'll just add....

1. Weren't they supposed to be leaving? Damn prolonged vacation...
2. Aika.. hahaha.. I TOLD YOU!

Ah, I can't wait for her to go psycho, or for Midas to possess her, or whatever... ^___^

[LLHayate-Kun]

lol epilogue rah kun epilogue more on the lines we want to see happy times of the crew on this trip b4 they go back to japan XD

[Rah]

Anyway, I've fixed up the pics a little (sepia gone, cropped, resized..), and added the missing ones as well. You can view them all directly from the MangaFox HnG Spam Area.

Kthx~

[Used Can]

Personally, what I really loved...

...was her "No, I'm the one that should be thanking you. Which is why I gave THAT [meaning Hayate] back."

"But...I don't know about next time." [angelic smile]

Ahh~ I really do love you, Athena.
One of the things I liked the best was the empty box. She gave Nagi an empty box, but she kept the ring. Personally, I see that as her giving Hayate back to Nagi (and thus paying her debt to her), but not her feelings.

What I liked the best was Athena's smile in the last panel. I was like: "HNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGHHHHHH..."

Anyway, I wonder what Athena plans to do. Re-paying her debt to Nagi wasn't the only reason why she broke up with Hayate, but because she also realised he was happy being Nagi's butler. All the same, she hasn't given up on her feelings for Hayate. I wonder what will her involvement with the plot be.

Kay, I'll do that, Can onii-chan.

Spam thread.. you know where it is...
♥♥♥

[LLHayate-Kun]

cheers much rah many gracious thanx lol the wikia is now updated with 266 check it out and yeah any1 notice the character with chiharu its either fumi but i hear shes in india or a brand new character o.o

[zibi88]

hmmm...... what if Athena wanted to put Hayates heart as "neutral" zone

like hayate thinks athena gave up on him so his past feelings for the little athena will ease a bit..... he will spend with nagi some time an others develop some happy moments and feleings.... than athena will reappear and make hayate develop feelings for her "current self and not her past self"

so from now on the fight for hayates heart will start...... hina learned that something went wrong with the relationship with athena... and kinda knows that she still has chance ^^....... nagi learns that athena gave hayate back but its not like she will abondon her feelings and that she might come back again so nagi must work hard....... the same we learn that athena put the ring on her right hand which means "married" or rather "engaged" ^^..... so athena accepted hayates feelings (learned that he loved her for all this time)

hope she will appear again and fight with other girls for his heart ^^ (anyway its kidna a refreshment that Athena is in t-shirt !! and not in gothic-dress)

[ridgezipline]

Call.

*prepares to fetch your chips*



call as well, for athenaxhayate ending ... lol, not because i know what's gonna happen, simply coz i like athena.. that's all :p

even if it's not gonna happen, there are doujinshi, fanart, and fanfics around anyway :p


Yes he cares more about the story, he cares so much that he just made it stupidly longer and open.

business is business after all...

Spoilers for 266

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I love you Athena.

hahahaha nice! it's like athena had the last laugh ...

[blade82]

i wish to see a A-tan comeback she 's the best girl see :
-she's stronger than Hina
-she's more inteligent than Maria
-she's more powerfull than Izumi
-she's richest than Nagi
and of course more beautiful than all girls
so why did he left her i can't understand Hayate who did say to Hina that she's the only one that he love?

[Wolfnagi]

Its like everyone is against ojou now.........
Why??????????

[zibi88]

Its like everyone is against ojou now.........
Why??????????

maybe becouse they are not "lolicons" (and they want first manga where a flat chested loli is not winning at the end.... since its sick and already overused motive that appeared in MANY mangas... where lots of cute girls are around a guy but the tsudare/flat-chested loli allways wins).... and that there are more interesting chars than nagi (nagis char at least for me is kinda burned out...)

so personaly I prefer that the story held Athena in it.... and besides it would focus on Marias background (her story) and Hina (who is now again left in confusion)

Nagi alone wont save the manga at this point... something new is needed (and well can nagi drop her past self too ?? video games, mangas, animes, slacking all day.... I kinda doubt it)


btw. explain why are you defending Nagi soo much.... what does she have that makes you defend her so much ??

[Wolfnagi]

maybe becouse they are not "lolicons" (and they want first manga where a flat chested loli is not winning at the end.... since its sick and already overused motive that appeared in MANY mangas... where lots of cute girls are around a guy but the tsudare/flat-chested loli allways wins).... and that there are more interesting chars than nagi (nagis char at least for me is kinda burned out...)

so personaly I prefer that the story held Athena in it.... and besides it would focus on Marias background (her story) and Hina (who is now again left in confusion)

Nagi alone wont save the manga at this point... something new is needed (and well can nagi drop her past self too ?? video games, mangas, animes, slacking all day.... I kinda doubt it)


btw. explain why are you defending Nagi soo much.... what does she have that makes you defend her so much ??

There are many things that you won't understand my young padawan.....
And I'm a lolicon xD
You would come to like her if you know her better like me and Vol,
cause there are many things that makes her awesome,
more awesome than everyone in this manga combined xD

[GlassesLady]

and Hayate just let her go (even if he was so determined to get her).

What he was determined to do was to save her an apologise to her. The only thing that ever said he wanted to 'get her' was probably in your head. /:

i wish to see a A-tan comeback she 's the best girl see :
-she's stronger than Hina
-she's more inteligent than Maria
-she's more powerfull than Izumi
-she's richest than Nagi
and of course more beautiful than all girls
so why did he left her i can't understand Hayate who did say to Hina that she's the only one that he love?

I like how your reasoning includes 'richest[sic] than Nagi', even though the moral of this manga is looking like 'money doesn't mean anything' at the moment. You people are funny.
Anyway.
So. Athene and Nagi meet, then. I guess I'll, like, look forward to that.

[chronoxii]

Athena has much more character than Nagi imo. I read from 150 to 265 in a few hours and was thinking that FINALLY HnG has a good storyline after all instead of just comedy and nonsense then after reading 265 i became EMO. even though i expected nothing better to come out coz nagi is the main female character ZZZ. i have really lost a lot of interest in the series.

[blade82]

Nagi is like Tenma from School Rumble she's the main chara but no ones care about her

[chronoxii]

honestly why did hata make the Athena arc so good if he wanted to end it this way. athena should have just said what she wanted to say and go back to japan and then it becomes a fight for hayate which will make the series more interesting. but looks like from the spoilers of 266 that wont be happening.... i feel so let down

[zibi88]

I like how your reasoning includes 'richest[sic] than Nagi', even though the moral of this manga is looking like 'money doesn't mean anything' at the moment. You people are funny.
Anyway.


well Nagi throws a lot of money without deepr thinking.... becosue she doesnt want to walk... she buys a super car/ airplane/ heli or buy a whole hotel for her and her friends party......................... while Athena isnt throwing money like that......example: in past maria asked hayate to stay on a place for few days and she gave him 1milion yen for that >__<...... and here athena gived Machina only 100Euro for hamburgers and not a whole pack of money...

well hayate kinda destroyed her hosuse but it was ok for her since she couldnt do anything about it..... so well Athena is more mature than Nagi.... becouse she is aware of the money worth and that she shouldnt throw them like nagi does ^^ (the same athena is more aware of the outside world.... while both nagi and maria are in dark... never seen a train xD)

for now I guess athena will pretend that she pulled back from hayate... so he lives happly and other girls get their development.... but than athena reappears... and hell starts XD...... still Wataru has the stone of king midas... so what if hayate later gets couched and locked in that palace.... and all the girls try to save him...

[chronoxii]

Nagi is like Tenma from School Rumble she's the main chara but no ones care about her

agree. she has virtually no significant character development since the start except breaking the stone with the nutcracker which was quite predictable. Actually i think hayate only thinks about the debt and how she saved him so he must protect her coz he owes her. protect =/= love. in contrast he loved AND owed Athena so the conclusion why he chose nagi that i can think of is because she is the "main character". well i am biased but there's a good reason for that lol.

[zibi88]

agree. she has virtually no significant character development since the start except breaking the stone with the nutcracker which was quite predictable. Actually i think hayate only thinks about the debt and how she saved him so he must protect her coz he owes her. protect =/= love. in contrast he loved AND owed Athena so the conclusion why he chose nagi that i can think of is because she is the "main character". well i am biased but there's a good reason for that lol.

yeah there is onyl 1 explanation..... Hata is a "lolicon"... so whatever path Hayate will take it will allways come down to Nagi the loli...

I would be glad if Hayate payed the dept os he would be in position where he can choice when to leave if he needs it ^^ Nagi would have to watch what she says.... since she would be not in a position where Hayate has to stay with her becouse he has a dept that ties him down ^^

[Mentar]

i wish to see a A-tan comeback she 's the best girl see :
-she's stronger than Hina

We don't know. They never dealt with each other.

-she's more inteligent than Maria

She isn't. Maria had better grades.

-she's more powerfull than Izumi

You mean Isumi. She isn't. Isumi was able to at least hold off Midas for a while. Athena has achieved _nothing_ combat-wise, beyond a draw against young Hayate.

-she's richest than Nagi

Nor sure here. Not that it would matter much ;) ... reference?

and of course more beautiful than all girls

Truth is in the eye of the beholder here. Looks-wise, I'd pick Hina over her every day ;)

Its like everyone is against ojou now.........
Why??????????

Not everyone. Count me on the pro-Nagi side. I think Nagi showed herself in a really good light lately. Call it the parting throes of the Athena faction ;)

*ducks into cover*

[ridgezipline]

yeah there is onyl 1 explanation..... Hata is a "lolicon"... so whatever path Hayate will take it will allways come down to Nagi the loli...

i still don't get it why call it lolli -_-; if it's just a 3-year difference, and both are underage? o_o

[Wolfnagi]

well Nagi throws a lot of money without deepr thinking.... becosue she doesnt want to walk... she buys a super car/ airplane/ heli or buy a whole hotel for her and her friends party......................... while Athena isnt throwing money like that......example: in past maria asked hayate to stay on a place for few days and she gave him 1milion yen for that >__<...... and here athena gived Machina only 100Euro for hamburgers and not a whole pack of money...

well hayate kinda destroyed her hosuse but it was ok for her since she couldnt do anything about it..... so well Athena is more mature than Nagi.... becouse she is aware of the money worth and that she shouldnt throw them like nagi does ^^ (the same athena is more aware of the outside world.... while both nagi and maria are in dark... never seen a train xD)

for now I guess athena will pretend that she pulled back from hayate... so he lives happly and other girls get their development.... but than athena reappears... and hell starts XD...... still Wataru has the stone of king midas... so what if hayate later gets couched and locked in that palace.... and all the girls try to save him...

"Stabbed zibi 1000 times"

agree. she has virtually no significant character development since the start except breaking the stone with the nutcracker which was quite predictable. Actually i think hayate only thinks about the debt and how she saved him so he must protect her coz he owes her. protect =/= love. in contrast he loved AND owed Athena so the conclusion why he chose nagi that i can think of is because she is the "main character". well i am biased but there's a good reason for that lol.

Its not because of that,
Its because of his judgment,
He would have transferred his debt to A-tan if he want to stay with her

yeah there is onyl 1 explanation..... Hata is a "lolicon"... so whatever path Hayate will take it will allways come down to Nagi the loli...

I would be glad if Hayate payed the dept os he would be in position where he can choice when to leave if he needs it ^^ Nagi would have to watch what she says.... since she would be not in a position where Hayate has to stay with her becouse he has a dept that ties him down ^^

If Hata IS Lolicon,
I would have kill you guys for Hata..........

Not everyone. Count me on the pro-Nagi side. I think Nagi showed herself in a really good light lately. Call it the parting throes of the Athena faction ;)

*ducks into cover*

"Cover Everyone who still haven't hate ojou cause of the recent chapters"
Thanks Mentar xD
For the rest,
YOU GUYS ARE BAKA!!!!!!!!!!!

[zodanhko]

Onne day he destroyed A-tans, the next they he filled them with hope and joy. I already love the chapter. ^^


She isn't. Maria had better grades.
You meant graduated earlier although it doesn't really matter? We don't know when Athena entered the Hakkou.
But through Miki, the information specialist, we know who's likely the greatest genius ever to enter the Hakkou.


You mean Isumi. She isn't. Isumi was able to at least hold off Midas for a while. Athena has achieved _nothing_ combat-wise, beyond a draw against young Hayate.
Fighting Midas, and being possessed by Midas with him constantly sucking your power is a different thing, and it's much harder to fight if something possessed you. And Athena claimed that she can destroy both Midas and herself with her last bit of power.

[chronoxii]

lol hata is a lolicon? @.@ i didnt know that. anyway to be honest i gave up hng halfway coz it had no storyline and the jokes were getting old and boring. i took it up again after my friend told me it was getting good, or rather, rushed 70 chapters in one shot coz the athena arc was so good. i hope the story will get more serious like the athena arc even though i HATED the 'ending' (hopefully athena does not end there, though i am wishing for the near impossible). HnG is supposed to be a love-comedy, and i think the comedy part has gone on for too far and too long and has impeded the 'storyline' (really i think the story only consisted of chapters 1-10 and the athena arc + some other impt chapters- the rest of the 100+ chapters were just plain filler-comedy, half of which were not even funny). if HnG is to make it into my favorite manga list it must give develop the romance side, and at the same time keep up a steady flow of comedy. ok enough of ranting due to my emo-ness after 265 good night all.

something random: to those who play dota, NOW i know why hand of midas gives gold....LOL

[Game8910]

No mentar stop! such an easy troll bait should not work on you! But since we are at it again

We don't know. They never dealt with each other.

But Hata did confirm Athena and Isumi as the 2 most powerful in the series, and there have been PAGES of discussion on this over at mangafox already so i dont wanna see this again >_>


She isn't. Maria had better grades.
No confirmation of Maria being better academically than Athena because we dont even know what Athena accomplished other than graduating early like Maria did


You mean Isumi. She isn't. Isumi was able to at least hold off Midas for a while. Athena has achieved _nothing_ combat-wise, beyond a draw against young Hayate.
This is debatable since it wasnt really Athena fighting alone, the title strongest vs invincible would put me to believe they are pretty much tied. As far as we know other than sword summoning and ability unlocking, Athena may be able to do other things with her magic...but since we dont, the discussion is pointless


Nor sure here. Not that it would matter much ;) ... reference?

I think Hinagiku said her wealth was almost the same, could've been someone else but I def remember it being said it was almost on par

On who the best looking is....well...I like Athena and Hina but I dont know...something about Harukaze Chiharu is awesome

edit: im posting the spoilers on my blog with ALL scans soon

[Wolfnagi]

lol hata is a lolicon? @.@ i didnt know that. anyway to be honest i gave up hng halfway coz it had no storyline and the jokes were getting old and boring. i took it up again after my friend told me it was getting good, or rather, rushed 70 chapters in one shot coz the athena arc was so good. i hope the story will get more serious like the athena arc even though i HATED the 'ending' (hopefully athena does not end there, though i am wishing for the near impossible). HnG is supposed to be a love-comedy, and i think the comedy part has gone on for too far and too long and has impeded the 'storyline' (really i think the story only consisted of chapters 1-10 and the athena arc + some other impt chapters- the rest of the 100+ chapters were just plain filler-comedy, half of which were not even funny). if HnG is to make it into my favorite manga list it must give develop the romance side, and at the same time keep up a steady flow of comedy. ok enough of ranting due to my emo-ness after 265 good night all.

something random: to those who play dota, NOW i know why hand of midas gives gold....LOL

"Facepalm"
You just don't know HnG like I know.......
and don't you EVER read bout the legend of Midas?????

But Hata did confirm Athena and Isumi as the 2 most powerful in the series, and there have been PAGES of discussion on this over at mangafox already so i dont wanna see this again >_>

One thing game,
They said to be the most powerful in MENTALLY!!!
PHYSICALLY,
Hina is better than A-tan cause kendo is always better than fencing xD

[chronoxii]

yes wolfnagi it is precisely because nagi is the main character so hayate's judgement would be geared toward that side. i have never seen a manga which the main guy can end up with someone else other than the main girl. i am just saying that from my point of view his actions were not very well-founded. he does not love nagi, he considers it as a form of punishment for his sins, his duty, and maybe how he cares for her. yes i may not know hng as well as u do but from what i do know this is what i conclude. Perhaps we just have different perspectives and hence what we infer is different. frankly i got quite bored of hng after a while, and the anime made it even worse. but well i will start to follow it again just to see what happens next.

i didnt hear about the specific name midas, i only heard the legend vaguely.

[ridgezipline]

One thing game,
They said to be the most powerful in MENTALLY!!!
PHYSICALLY,
Hina is better than A-tan cause kendo is always better than fencing xD

it's probably more like an over-all thing .., not just one aspect., hina, hayate or anyone else might be stronger than both in one aspect, but over-all 2 would beat the rest XD.,

plus athena could control machina o.o;;

[ridgezipline]

all pages, and my thought are now on my blog yay
http://gamesmind.wordpress.com/2010/03/26/early-spoilerhayate-no-gotoku-ch266/

I absolutely love Athena x10 more after this

thanks a lot Game! :D

another king's jewel in aika's possession XD

[Mentar]

I mean, discussing it is really pointless to begin with. Athena has developed her cult of fans who are worshipping her like a goddess, and who will stop at nothing to interpret her every deed in the most positive light. Just like she's the best cook, the greatest dancer, and her knitting is way above everyone else's. Why? Well, she's a goddess, ain't she? ;)

Just like it's the prerogative of people like me to point out that this uber goddess was essentially merely a damsel in distress who needed the help of most of the HnG cast to be saved from her (according to her own words) self-inflicted predicament.

Truth is in the eye of the beholder. In the meantime I'm looking forward to chapters featuring Athena in less than 50% of the panels, with a single Hayate dealing with the rest of the cast ;) ... will be a refreshing change of pace for me.

[GDB]

So, on the page where Athena and Nagi meet... is it just me or were Athena's breasts massively scaled down compared to what we saw a few chapters ago?

[Rah]

GDB, that depends who draws them. Hata doesn't draw all the pages. He has assistants. Or even if he does draw them all, or most, you'll notice that over all the chapters where some girls are bathing, or whatever, that their sizes change all the time. Does it matter that much? Sometimes you just can't keep it the same size.

Besides, she's probably wearing a bra with her casual clothes.

[zodanhko]

I mean, discussing it is really pointless to begin with. Athena has developed her cult of fans who are worshipping her like a goddess, and who will stop at nothing to interpret her every deed in the most positive light. Just like she's the best cook, the greatest dancer, and her knitting is way above everyone else's. Why? Well, she's a goddess, ain't she? ;)

Just like it's the prerogative of people like me to point out that this uber goddess was essentially merely a damsel in distress who needed the help of most of the HnG cast to be saved from her (according to her own words) self-inflicted predicament.

You are your usual self again, I see. Nice to have you back. :)

[GDB]

There's a difference between going from like, a 36 to a 40, and going from a DD to a B. Pretty sure you'd need some sort of breast garter for that, not a bra.

[Game8910]

I mean, discussing it is really pointless to begin with. Athena has developed her cult of fans who are worshipping her like a goddess, and who will stop at nothing to interpret her every deed in the most positive light. Just like she's the best cook, the greatest dancer, and her knitting is way above everyone else's. Why? Well, she's a goddess, ain't she? ;)

Just like it's the prerogative of people like me to point out that this uber goddess was essentially merely a damsel in distress who needed the help of most of the HnG cast to be saved from her (according to her own words) self-inflicted predicament.

Truth is in the eye of the beholder. In the meantime I'm looking forward to chapters featuring Athena in less than 50% of the panels, with a single Hayate dealing with the rest of the cast ;) ... will be a refreshing change of pace for me.

Fans love to protect the characters they love after all. I mean, Athena fans who try to explain their points of view behind Athena's actions to those who see it differently are in no way different from how you defend Hinagiku's actions and words as well when someone sees it different from you, right? You said many pages back something about how you dont like it when someone says something about Hinagiku that looks wrong (not exact wording), its the same for us as well.I could say more but....bleh I g2g to class soon

[Rah]

It's a manga, man. Happens all the time. Their heads change sizes as well... ^___^

[Game8910]

It's a manga, man. Happens all the time. Their heads change sizes as well... ^___^

and if its CLAMP, their arms and legs as well

[zibi88]

I hope that what Athena said to Nagi is more like: use the time to get some fun with Hayate.... since when I return to Japan I will not give it up like this anymore ^^

so Athena gives Nagi some time for her to develop some more memories with hayate... since next time Athena wont back off.. and will go for the attack ^^

maybe the ring box is like a sign.... like nagi has the box (hayate)... but athena has the ring (love/bond).... but the ring was with the box at the beggining... so Athena will some time in future come back to regain the box (hayate) ^^

I hope she wont disappear like that for good...but later she will return to Japan (I guess at the ring panel athena mentioned Japan....), I would be happy if she build a house near nagis.... simply becomed a normal character.... since athena now wears usuall cloths (bra+t-shirt+skirt)..... that t-shirt reminds me of one that Hina was wearing ^^....... so maybe athenas cloths points that she will become a normal girl and one to stick at the screen

anywya there are 2stones that we know about...... Aika and Wataru.... heh maybe 1will be used to make hayate go into RG... and inprison him there... so they will use 2nd stone to save hayate on 1point in the story (prefer hina for this mission..... since she is the female version of the hero of justice ^^)

[Wolfnagi]

Great xD
The spoiler is out and the cannon are preparing,
Gotta see chapter 267 to whether fire the cannon or not xD

[Mentar]

Fans love to protect the characters they love after all. I mean, Athena fans who try to explain their points of view behind Athena's actions to those who see it differently are in no way different from how you defend Hinagiku's actions and words as well when someone sees it different from you, right?

Perfectly right, I don't pretend to be any different here ;)

Let's take it all with a wink and a smile.

[zero7]

is A-tan planning still planning something and not given up on hayate because she give nagi her ring box but A-tan is wearing the ring

[Eleutheria]

In 266, the best lines were:

"I'll give that [i.e. Hayate] back this time, but next time, I don't know... *wink*"

and

Snake guy: "I like Japan's MOS BURGER better than Greece's McDonalds"
"...if that's so, it's not like we can't go back to Japan"
*ring sparkle*

Damn. Athena is so much pwn


EDIT:
Also loved Izumi's sand sculpture. DESTROY! What was Sakuya wearing? Otaku baiting swimsuit?

[blade82]

it maybe a memento from Hayate for her or a hint that she could possibly return 2 or 3 years later to hayate until he payback all his debt for the continuation of their relationship (juste like the end of ichigo 100%)

[Nochgo]

Finally read ch266, and man, Athena is going back to Japan~. There is still hope for Hayate x Athena!! :D

from the manga
アテナ：だったら日本に帰らなくてはね
which translates to: Then we have to go to Japan, don't we?

[WildArms]

Spoilers for 266

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I love you Athena.

And so the Harem begins again *sigh*

[babohtea]

WTF. WTF. WTF.

WHY IS SHE GOING BACK. She's my favorite character.. but..
Seriously. Please no Harem Hata. I don't care which girl it is as long as it ends eventually -_-

Well it seems like Athena's back in the running, hm?

[zodanhko]

Looking at the spoilers, it's funny how no one mentioned how similar Athena and Nagi are in appearance, but Hayate was to Ikusa and Yukariko...They could claim that they're sisters and no one will doubt it. Lo

.
but... what was the point of all of that crap then, Hata? GRRBASMLD;FGKJK;KJK;AJ
.
Lol, I wonder.

[blade82]

Looking at the spoilers, it's funny how no one mentioned how similar Athena and Nagi are in appearance, but Hayate was to Ikusa and Yukariko...They could claim that they're sisters and no one will doubt it.
and in one chapter we saw Nagi's father who looks like Hayate

[GDB]

Looking at the spoilers, it's funny how no one mentioned how similar Athena and Nagi are in appearance, but Hayate was to Ikusa and Yukariko...They could claim that they're sisters and no one will doubt it. Lo


Lol, I wonder.

Because it's been established since a long time ago that Nagi's character design was derived from Athena's. There'd be no reason to point it out now since we've known for a long time.

[babohtea]

Hata trolled everyone.

D:

Yeah, I wonder if we'll see Hayate's parents again. I hope so, because just leaving them as "a bad couple who dissappeared" kind of doesn't match the more deep(?arguable?) and serious tone HnG has been having recently.

[Game8910]

i can see Hata pulling a Tsubasa Chronicles soon

Hayate looks like Nagi's father and mother, and Athena looks like Nagi, meaning that they go back in time and Hayate and Athena are actually Nagi's parents in some weird plot twist....calling it now....the rage will be glorious

[zibi88]

i can see Hata pulling a Tsubasa Chronicles soon

Hayate looks like Nagi's father and mother, and Athena looks like Nagi, meaning that they go back in time and Hayate and Athena are actually Nagi's parents in some weird plot twist....calling it now....the rage will be glorious

haha so Hayate+Athena= Nagi and someone+yukariko=maria (hair colour XD)

[Used Can]

I'm still sure Nagi will win. I see they idea of a harem in a manga as diversifying risk when you play the roulette. The difference is that, instead of choosing different combinations of numbers and colours, you put a grand variety of girls with different looks and personalities, so that even if the readers don't like too much the main girl, they'll keep checking the story for the girl they like. However, in the harem factor is just there to attract (and keep) fans, not to actually affect the outcome of the story. In fact, I think this can be easily proved since, in almost all harem mangas, the main character always end up with the main girl (or one which was made obvious from the very beginning - i.e. assuming there isn't one "main" girl). Personally, I don't think Hata plans to stray away from the norm.

I don't have anything against Nagi. In fact, I do like her. However, I just wouldn't want a Nagi end, not because she's supposed to be a loli, or whatever. Fuck, I like lolis myself, and I've rooted for a loli end in other series. All the same, Nagi and Hayate have never, not even once, got romantic development. So far, their development has been that of siblings, or that of a father and his daughter. Their relationship has been developed as that of family. That's the reason why I've enjoyed it, and why I've found it nice. If Hata does indeed decide to have them end up as a couple - which, as I've said, I believe he will - and changes their development into a romantic one, just to keep up with main-male-ends-up-with-main-female cliché, I'd personally be very disappointed. But, once again, that's just my own opinion.

[zodanhko]

Because it's been established since a long time ago that Nagi's character design was derived from Athena's. There'd be no reason to point it out now since we've known for a long time.
It could be used for comedy purposes.

[GlassesLady]

There's a difference between going from like, a 36 to a 40, and going from a DD to a B. Pretty sure you'd need some sort of breast garter for that, not a bra.

Or heck, maybe the dress has padding? She was trying so hard to impress Hayate with them, but it turns out they're a lie )':

i can see Hata pulling a Tsubasa Chronicles soon

Hayate looks like Nagi's father and mother, and Athena looks like Nagi, meaning that they go back in time and Hayate and Athena are actually Nagi's parents in some weird plot twist....calling it now....the rage will be glorious

Oh no no no, it's more like, Hayate and Nagi are clones or something of Athene's parents and Yukkun is their kid from the future. Nagi's supposed father is actually Athene's real father, and he and Yukkun were just posing as a couple so they could take care of Nagi without looking suspicious or anything. Maria is really a clone of Yukkun created as a human vessel for all of Himegami and Mikado's research notes about the god power thing and human cloning and such, so that no other mad scientists would be able to get their hands on it.
Ta-daaah!

[Game8910]

Oh no no no, it's more like, Hayate and Nagi are clones or something of Athene's parents and Yukkun is their kid from the future. Nagi's supposed father is actually Athene's real father, and he and Yukkun were just posing as a couple so they could take care of Nagi without looking suspicious or anything. Maria is really a clone of Yukkun created as a human vessel for all of Himegami and Mikado's research notes about the god power thing and human cloning and such, so that no other mad scientists would be able to get their hands on it.
Ta-daaah!

I suddenly remembered the feelings I had back when I read TRC :frustrated:

[ridgezipline]

Or heck, maybe the dress has padding? She was trying so hard to impress Hayate with them, but it turns out they're a lie )':


lol! XD nah, tees make just make it less prominent and not as revealing, plus it's a bit baggy.. hard to see the curves :p

[Bastion_Arcion]

lol! XD nah, tees make just make it less prominent and not as revealing, plus it's a bit baggy.. hard to see the curves :p

Actually.. tees make the curves more apparent, just not the upper chest ones.
It's when Hina is wearing something closer to a tee than a school uniform (doesn't want to mangle the correct term for it) that her curves become more apparent, same with Maria.

[Used Can]

The thing is, Athena is now wearing a bra.

[GlassesLady]

The thing is, Athena is now wearing a bra.

And just how do you know that?

[babohtea]

he looked. duh.

I don't think it's a big deal. I think shirts generally make features less prominent, but seriously.

Maybe Hata just forgot? Artists have little shifts all the time. HnG's art has changed a lot over time (mostly for the better, too). I don't think that has anything to do with Athena's characterization, in the same way that if Hayate's bangs got thinner it wouldn't mean that he's becoming more perceptive.

By the way. Anyone notice how Hina and Athena both have those freaky cat eyes?

[zodanhko]

And just how do you know that?
I thought her size was pretty much the same...Although it doesn't really matter, really...
Athena unexpectedly met Hayate in her black dress, and she has been shown to wear it so there is nothing to show off with...

[Used Can]

And just how do you know that?
I know my characters. :)

By the way. Anyone notice how Hina and Athena both have those freaky cat eyes?
Their eyes are different. Hina's eyes resemble that of Nagi's and Sakuya's. That's why some people speculate she may be related to Mikado.

[ridgezipline]

Actually.. tees make the curves more apparent, just not the upper chest ones.
It's when Hina is wearing something closer to a tee than a school uniform (doesn't want to mangle the correct term for it) that her curves become more apparent, same with Maria.

depending on the tees, there are tees especially designed for girls, they have been cut with a shape already and with smaller sleeves, whereas guys' shirt just usually just straight, and athena's wearing straight cut ones :heh:

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btw, what day do scans usually come around? thanks much! :D

[babohtea]

Now I know for sure you are all males.

[leoblack9]

So whats the catch in the new spoiler? Is Athena gonna follow them or what? Seems that everybody who went emo post ch255 just got trolled. Hata, Kishi and Kubo may be conspiring something.

[Game8910]

thats what I thought as well...Hata I absolutely loved ch255 and Athena's words and moves made so very happy on ch266 but...I hate you for trolling me like that, whats the points of making such an awesome departure on 255 if Athena is to follow right after? I can see it now...

Hata: Whoever said Athena WASN'T going to Japan? She only said "not with Hayate" (kuboface.jpg)

FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[ridgezipline]

Now I know for sure you are all males.

:eyespin:

thats what I thought as well...Hata I absolutely loved ch255 and Athena's words and moves made so very happy on ch266 but...I hate you for trolling me like that, whats the points of making such an awesome departure on 255 if Athena is to follow right after? I can see it now...

Hata: Whoever said Athena WASN'T going to Japan? She only said "not with Hayate" (kuboface.jpg)

FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU

proves he's good in story telling as well :p (such twists remind me of oda o_o) a lot of people especially athena fans didn't see it coming... (that includes me :p)

[strmclr]

Isn't that the infamous magical hat of time traveling? Athena might be just younger.

[GlassesLady]

I suddenly remembered the feelings I had back when I read TRC :frustrated:

It was supposed to remind you of Kamichama Karin, especially the last part, but that's probably too tall of a task considering that probably few people here have heard of it :P

Isn't that the infamous magical hat of time traveling? Athena might be just younger.

Hey, maybe....

But on a related note, does Athene train pelicans to steal people's hats for her, or what?

[leoblack9]

Heh, lemme guess, the Pelican thought Athena looks like Nagi's mom?

Trolololo trololo trololo ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪♫ ♪

ho ho ho ho ho ♫ ♪

Trolololo ♫ ♪ ♫ ♪

[Game8910]

But on a related note, does Athene train pelicans to steal people's hats for her, or what?
more like Nagi threw a rock at the pelican, but maybe it was working for Athena indeed...so she can control the animals now? I wouldnt mind seeing an Athena spin-off of her going into the wild taming animals like Steve Irwin

[Arabesque]

proves he's good in story telling as well :p
Not really :/ tbh, as much as the Greek vacation arc was entertaining overall, there are many places where it reeks of bad writing.

But on a related note, does Athene train pelicans to steal people's hats for her, or what?

Actually, the pelican represents Hata in the manga (I call him McGuffin to differentiate between the two:)). He shows up to steal Nagi's hat every once in awhile to introduce a new plot point (e.g. Hayate's time travel, bases for Nagi breaking the king's jewel).

[Wolfnagi]

So we now talking bout Athena training pelicans and hunting crocodile......
She might even got stung by an angelfish and die.........

[babohtea]

No more Irwin please.

Seriously though, that COULD be the magical time hat! We're sure this event isn't a flashback?

[Game8910]

No more Irwin please.

Seriously though, that COULD be the magical time hat! We're sure this event isn't a flashback?

no...please stop...Hata isnt Kubo....right..? he wouldnt pull such a ridiculous move...right?

[GDB]

Considering she's handing over the ringbox, it has to be at least after the first fight with Midas (ie: 24 hours before the final fight). Since Athena is thanking Nagi, it's very likely to be after the final battle, especially since we saw the "day out on the town" between the fights.

In other words, not a flashback.

[Used Can]

I think the idea behind that scene was to make you think Hayate would get the hat for her. In fact, I thought that much until I saw Athena. Then, Hata basically said "did you think Athena was out? well, think again?".

[zodanhko]

Never thought Athena would be the person to retrieve the hat. We got played good, not that I'm complaining.

Now, Athena should be back to Japan sooner than expected with her ship continue sailing. Guess A-tan fans don't need to jump on other ships anymore.

In chapter 266, Hayate told Hina that he got dumped because he made Athena wait for 10 years (clueless as ever). It's a chance Hina, Go, go, go! Who knows, maybe Hina might have a chance to go out with Hayate for awhile, or permantly, or get nuked again...Anyway, her chance suddenly drastically decreased again with Athena re-entered the picture.

[Mentar]

In chapter 266, Hayate told Hina that he got dumped because he made Athena wait for 10 years (clueless as ever). It's a chance Hina, Go, go, go!

Nonoooo... the fact that she has NOT confessed yet is her biggest asset ;) ... I don't see that squandered.

Anyway, her chance suddenly drastically decreased again with Athena re-entered the picture.

And why would that be?

Assuming that Athena is no liar, she won't be returning to Japan with him. And Hayate's perspective (wondering when he'll find in love with someone else again) hasn't changed either. It's a cute victory lap for her fans, but pretty much a non-factor for the return to the main arc.

[zodanhko]

the fact that she has NOT confessed yet is her biggest asset
That's the very same reason that still gives Hina fans hope , and it probably will be that way until the story ends if she keeps this up (I, honestly, won't be surprised if she will never confess). ;)




And why would that be?

Assuming that Athena is no liar, she won't be returning to Japan with him. And Hayate's perspective (wondering when he'll find in love with someone else again) hasn't changed either. It's a cute victory lap for her fans, but pretty much a non-factor for the return to the main arc.
Hayate already returned to Japan with the group without Athena. =P

I think the battle is already between Nagi and Athena again the moment that they met. Of course, Hayate is still very much in love with Athena. By the time Athena comes back (gonna be every soon, I think), Hina should make her move if she wants a chance (If she still hasn't by then, she might as well stay in her shell forever...). But what's the chance that Hayate's going to accept Hina (doesn't have feelings for her + have to stay by Nagi's side until she lets him go) ? Well, I'll leave it your imagination.

[indr0008]

Nagi is like Tenma from School Rumble she's the main chara but no ones care about her

god this commment is made of win

[zodanhko]

I think Nagi is becoming a much better character with her recent developments, and she probably will show more of her charms in the future.

[Wolfnagi]

I think Nagi is becoming a much better character with her recent developments, and she probably will show more of her charms in the future.

And thanks to that,
All of your will start changing ships to mine xD
Muahahahahahahahaha
and those who are no will be shot xD

[indr0008]

I think Nagi is becoming a much better character with her recent developments, and she probably will show more of her charms in the future.

I lost interest in HnG once, but rejuvenated because I found this awesome character named A-Tan, so basically I'm one of those who skipped the so many chapters out there just to reach the current arc, thus I dont get this 'developments' of Nagi u are talking abt :heh:

[babohtea]

Erm. Even if Nagi becomes a great character, I'll like her, but I'm not going to ship them.. sheesh.

For some reason people always like to ship their favorite characters together, rather than the characters that should be together.

Her developments are still relatively small. Pretty much her breaking the stone. However, considering the amount of development thus for in HnG (which is surprisingly lacking, guys. The most "development" we've got is just seeing character pasts, which isn't actually development). Compared to other characters, she's actually not very far behind, but that doesn't mean she's developed much at all.

HnG hasn't had much development tbh. Most of it is plot and character... definition.

[Bastion_Arcion]

Erm. Even if Nagi becomes a great character, I'll like her, but I'm not going to ship them.. sheesh.

For some reason people always like to ship their favorite characters together, rather than the characters that should be together.

Her developments are still relatively small. Pretty much her breaking the stone. However, considering the amount of development thus for in HnG (which is surprisingly lacking, guys. The most "development" we've got is just seeing character pasts, which isn't actually development). Compared to other characters, she's actually not very far behind, but that doesn't mean she's developed much at all.

HnG hasn't had much development tbh. Most of it is plot and character... definition.

Loving the assumptions that go into that statement. Neither of my top two favorites do I find plausible shipping targets (and the third doesn't even begin to appeal to plausibilitySquick (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Squick)). I have ships for both of them (I like 'everyone on the side of good is happy' endings, but neither of them are ending up with Hayate.
My favorite shipping is actually lower in favorites than other characters.

Nagi is the character who's grown the most since the beginning. At the start she didn't see any issue with money, now she's actually putting thought into what she earns (if not what she spends), and wanting the money she uses for Hayate's b-day present to be from what she earns herself, not from the stocks she probably bought with her grandfather's money.
She's more 'street smart' than she was at the beginning, when she thought everything had to do with being 'book-smart' (how someone can be successful at the stock market and not be 'street-smart' I'm not quite sure.)

[babohtea]

The assumption about "people" doesn't mean "Bastion Arcion". You took defense too quickly. With that in mind, your entire first "paragraph" is like a counter to an attack that was never there.

Second paragraph I'd agree with. I honestly never saw the events between the beginning of the series and the breaking of the midas stone as significant, but you pretty much summarize the (perceived) significance of her breaking the stone. It's a symbol of materialism, you know?

PS: your location is existence, not existance

[5yewy5r]

NOOOOOO. Goddamn. Looks like the A-tan flag has been ripped apart, burned, and spat on. I guess the main contenders are now down to Nagi, Hinagiku, and Ayumu. I'm rooting for Ayumu, But I have a feeling that it will eventually all come down to Hinagiku vs Nagi.... T.T

[indr0008]

NOOOOOO. Goddamn. Looks like the A-tan flag has been ripped apart, burned, and spat on. I guess the main contenders are now down to Nagi, Hinagiku, and Ayumu. I'm rooting for Ayumu, But I have a feeling that it will eventually all come down to Hinagiku vs Nagi.... T.T



havent read 266 yet? :P

[Wolfnagi]

Loving the assumptions that go into that statement. Neither of my top two favorites do I find plausible shipping targets (and the third doesn't even begin to appeal to plausibilityhttp://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Squick). I have ships for both of them (I like 'everyone on the side of good is happy' endings, but neither of them are ending up with Hayate.
My favorite shipping is actually lower in favorites than other characters.

Nagi is the character who's grown the most since the beginning. At the start she didn't see any issue with money, now she's actually putting thought into what she earns (if not what she spends), and wanting the money she uses for Hayate's b-day present to be from what she earns herself, not from the stocks she probably bought with her grandfather's money.
She's more 'street smart' than she was at the beginning, when she thought everything had to do with being 'book-smart' (how someone can be successful at the stock market and not be 'street-smart' I'm not quite sure.)

So you do noticed Bastion,
Cause only a true loyal Nagi fans noticed a single details of her growth,
plus, before her even breaking the stone,
she already grown much such as not easily give up anymore,
and etc.
And it now end to the fact that A-tan just revives herself from Chapter 265 and went all-assault in few chapters later.......

[5yewy5r]

havent read 266 yet? :P

Goddamn again. I went back a page and saw people's responses...I guess I was a bit late.. xD

But if A-tan did return to Japan just not with Hayate, seems like Hata just wanted to somehow make it clear that A-tan x Hayate won't happen, but still wants A-tan as a character.... Happens in a lot of Harem mangas, and at that point, only thing left for people shipping that relationship is denial and despair...

[Wolfnagi]

Well,
I just have a word for Hata,
JUST MAKE THE HAREM ENDING!!!!!
And LET ME HAVE OJOU!!!!!!!!!!

[chronoxii]

i just realised something a bit late
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/6661/99689567.jpg
imagine if hayate was the one saying that instead of a-tan ... @.@
me and my warped imagination ahahahah

[indr0008]

Well,
I just have a word for Hata,
JUST MAKE THE HAREM ENDING!!!!!
And LET ME HAVE OJOU!!!!!!!!!!

and so A-Tan goes to me :D

[Game8910]

i just realised something a bit late
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/6661/99689567.jpg
imagine if hayate was the one saying that instead of a-tan ... @.@
me and my warped imagination ahahahah
leave that for the doujins

[Bastion_Arcion]

The assumption about "people" doesn't mean "Bastion Arcion". You took defense too quickly. With that in mind, your entire first "paragraph" is like a counter to an attack that was never there.

Second paragraph I'd agree with. I honestly never saw the events between the beginning of the series and the breaking of the midas stone as significant, but you pretty much summarize the (perceived) significance of her breaking the stone. It's a symbol of materialism, you know?


For some reason people always like to ship their favorite characters together, rather than the characters that should be together.
Bastion Arcion is a person, who doesn't follow your statement of 'always'. Thus my statement is valid as a counter.

[zodanhko]

Bastion just doesn't admit that he likes Hina the most and just use Ayumu as a scapegoat. ^^

[babohtea]

People say "everyone", "always", and "nobody" even when they don't literally mean the extremes. A better argument would have been to say that "most people don't fit your description".

[Bastion_Arcion]

People say "everyone", "always", and "nobody" even when they don't literally mean the extremes. A better argument would have been to say that "most people don't fit your description".

A better argument would have been not to use the extreme in the first place, that's what I was pointing out. I wouldn't have commented at all if the argument had said 'most' instead. The extremes exist to be used as such and lesser words exist for when it is known that everyone doesn't fall into the pattern.

[babohtea]

A better argument would have been not to use the extreme in the first place, that's what I was pointing out. I wouldn't have commented at all if the argument had said 'most' instead. The extremes exist to be used as such and lesser words exist for when it is known that everyone doesn't fall into the pattern.

Are you seriously trying to use this as a lesson to teach me not to use colloquial extremes? No. I refuse. That's stupid. Or did you want me to say that it might be slightly annoying to continue? Communication isn't perfect, if you can't detect the millions of assumed nuances in conversation, you're going to misunderstand everyone (Oh no! The "E" word!). I seriously cannot believe that you legitimately misinterpreted my "everybody" for meaning literally every single person on the face of the planet and beyond. It seems like you just want to argue.

Nobody's going to be perfectly specific in speech, ever. In fact, the more specific the sentence, the more likely there will be a fundamental misunderstanding due to differences in definition.

Topic over. Back to HnG please.

[Game8910]

on related news, Athena is the best Hayate no Gotoku! character EVERYONE agrees and its fact too so dont bother arguing about it

[babohtea]

on related news, Athena is the best Hayate no Gotoku! character EVERYONE agrees and its fact too so dont bother arguing about it

I think this disclaimer may be necessary:
He is trying to be funny. Letting your blood pressure rise may have adverse effects on your health. For EVERYONE.

[Used Can]

on related news, Athena is the best Hayate no Gotoku! character EVERYONE agrees and its fact too so dont bother arguing about it
Going by Umineko logic, if I apply Hempel's Raven, I can prove this either true or false. I agree with this statement, and therefore it's true.

[ridgezipline]

Not really :/ tbh, as much as the Greek vacation arc was entertaining overall, there are many places where it reeks of bad writing.
well, i won't deny that one o_o .. but i think the lack of plot for the last 200+ chapters is mainly out of business - extending his series, he could however still create a much decent story if he chose to,.


I think the battle is already between Nagi and Athena again the moment that they met. Of course, Hayate is still very much in love with Athena. By the time Athena comes back (gonna be every soon, I think), Hina should make her move if she wants a chance (If she still hasn't by then, she might as well stay in her shell forever...). But what's the chance that Hayate's going to accept Hina (doesn't have feelings for her + have to stay by Nagi's side until she lets him go) ? Well, I'll leave it your imagination.

i think the last arc made everyone, more or less, of equal standing, except nagi.. unless hayate discovers about the box and the ring earlier...
*atan fans dont shoot me* :meh:

[Mentar]

That's the very same reason that still gives Hina fans hope , and it probably will be that way until the story ends if she keeps this up (I, honestly, won't be surprised if she will never confess). ;)

Neither would I. If Hina is going to win, it will be Hayate to chase and confess to her ;)

Hayate already returned to Japan with the group without Athena. =P

So you mean she caused him heartbreak by telling him goodbye first to then take back her pledge with silly semantics? That would have been pretty stupid of her, wouldn't it? :)

No, the separation holds. The symbolism is "I will return your butler to you, but my feelings of love are mine". It's not a challenge. If Athena wanted to fight for Hayate, she could do so now. There's no point in doing it later.

I think the battle is already between Nagi and Athena again the moment that they met. Of course, Hayate is still very much in love with Athena.

They have said goodbye. Hayate considers himself dumped and is getting over the heartbreak. If you honestly believe that - should he ever fall in love with another girl, as he said - he'll then dump her again for his first love Athena, be my guest. I don't consider him that much of a bastard.

By the time Athena comes back (gonna be every soon, I think), Hina should make her move if she wants a chance (If she still hasn't by then, she might as well stay in her shell forever...). But what's the chance that Hayate's going to accept Hina (doesn't have feelings for her + have to stay by Nagi's side until she lets him go) ? Well, I'll leave it your imagination.

Having Hina take relationship advice from you would be like me taking medical advice from the undertaker ;)

Just leave Hina be for now. I hope that she'll be able to return to her normal self. The rest will develop or not.

[chronoxii]

on related news, Athena is the best Hayate no Gotoku! character EVERYONE agrees and its fact too so dont bother arguing about it

Agree. Is there a a-tan fan club formed yet lol. i wanna joinnnnn <33

[Wolfnagi]

on related news, Athena is the best Hayate no Gotoku! character EVERYONE agrees and its fact too so dont bother arguing about it

Not to all people game xD
Cause it seems that in your poll,
60 % voted 5 Stars while the rest voted less......
I think.............

[zodanhko]

If Hina is going to win, it will be Hayate to chase and confess to her ;)
There is nothing wrong with hoping. Guess Hata's plan worked.;)



So you mean she caused him heartbreak by telling him goodbye first to then take back her pledge with silly semantics? That would have been pretty stupid of her, wouldn't it? :)

No, the separation holds. The symbolism is "I will return your butler to you, but my feelings of love are mine". It's not a challenge. If Athena wanted to fight for Hayate, she could do so now. There's no point in doing it later.
Not really. I thought she rejected Hayate because the author can't have the manga ended, and it gave the others some opportunities with everything back to square one, somewhat.
One of the reasons was to repay Nagi. The other was she thought Hayate could be hurt, but there is no harm in wanting him to love her now, is it?

Athena stated that she's giving Hayate back to Nagi now, but that won't necessarily happen the next time. That means she has the desire to have him. Even more so when Athena wears the ring. Since that ring represents Hayate's feelings for her, it would make more sense that she hasn't give up on Hayate's feelings for her, right?



They have said goodbye. Hayate considers himself dumped and is getting over the heartbreak. If you honestly believe that - should he ever fall in love with another girl, as he said - he'll then dump her again for his first love Athena, be my guest. I don't consider him that much of a bastard.
Well, I was thinking that Hina would leave Hayate once she realized her place, but him dumping her could work. And since they haven't yet going out, he has every right to reject her without being a jack-ass.;)


Having Hina take relationship advice from you would be like me taking medical advice from the undertaker ;)

Just leave Hina be for now. I hope that she'll be able to return to her normal self. The rest will develop or not.
But I wasn't trying to waste my time giving her advice; I'd kill myself before then. So, don't be ridiculous now.:)

[babohtea]

Meh. Harems are harems. Even if they are unplausible; I hope to see Hayate end with anyone.

[Bastion_Arcion]

Are you seriously trying to use this as a lesson to teach me not to use colloquial extremes? No. I refuse. That's stupid. Or did you want me to say that it might be slightly annoying to continue? Communication isn't perfect, if you can't detect the millions of assumed nuances in conversation, you're going to misunderstand everyone (Oh no! The "E" word!). I seriously cannot believe that you legitimately misinterpreted my "everybody" for meaning literally every single person on the face of the planet and beyond. It seems like you just want to argue.

Nobody's going to be perfectly specific in speech, ever. In fact, the more specific the sentence, the more likely there will be a fundamental misunderstanding due to differences in definition.

Who's the group trying to convince others that Hayate's 'true love' is Athena because he's said the words 'I love her'?

Hayate no Gotoku is built on misinterpretation. Please do remember this.

[~Yami~]

yey! Even though I don't actually understand the spoiler but I think I became more excited to see how they will meet again... ^^
Well, hope for HnG anime season 3 comes out ^^

[Arabesque]

well, i won't deny that one o_o .. but i think the lack of plot for the last 200+ chapters is mainly out of business - extending his series, he could however still create a much decent story if he chose to,.
I kinda hoped you would've disagreed :heh: I wanted to discuss that but I guess that won't happen now lol
yey! Even though I don't actually understand the spoiler but I think I became more excited to see how they will meet again... ^^
Well, hope for HnG anime season 3 comes out ^^
If When there is a season three, I doubt they would get further than Wataru's vacation in LA. Most likely they might even just stop at EotW.

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I decide to check out the spoilers for 266,and as much I'm a fan of Athena, I couldn't help but get excited and wonder what was going on with Chiharu instead :p

But anyway, now that we know that where the end point of this arc is, I wanted to ask a question to everyone: What were your most/least favourite moments from the Greek Vacation?

I ask about this because this is the longest individual arc in the manga (56 chapters in total!) so there were a lot of things that happened.

I'll start by saying that I thought that Isumi vs. Athena part was really great, even though it wasn't the best fight I've seen in a manga, it was the best fight in this manga. A lot of effort was put into those chapters and it shows.

Also, I thought that, while a bit prolonged, Hayate's dilemma at choosing between saving Athena or betraying Nagi was really well written and made for good character development. Nagi breaking the stone also managed to exemplify the bond the two have nicely, with her trading all her luxuries and wealth and placing unconditional faith in him (not that she didn't have moments where she showed concern for him before, but this pretty much was the key moment for Nagi to show how much she had grown as a character) it also helped that this was foreshadowed at some time before Athena shown up, to help show that this is an actual planned event.

For things I didn't like, for one, I didn't like how the pacing started becoming uneven in some parts. At times, Hata pads things to fill a whole chapter while at other times skips or shortens events that could've been told better with more space. I also didn't like how he introduces plot points out of nowhere (Isumi grandmother, Hina's ranger costume, Machina showing up out of nowhere to name a few) or when the exposition some of the characters give becomes unnatural.

[babohtea]

Who's the group trying to convince others that Hayate's 'true love' is Athena because he's said the words 'I love her'?

Hayate no Gotoku is built on misinterpretation. Please do remember this.

Not me? I was never a Athena X Hayate fanatic, I just like Athena. And you realize we're debating a story that started out as a gag, right? All of these ridiculous contrivances (on both sides) that are being used to "prove" anything is ridiculous. I wouldn't be surprised if even Hata forgot the small nitpicks that are currently being HOTLY debated.

We'll find out who Hayate picks at the end. You're taking this too seriously for a gag manga. I can understand if it turns out this entire manga actually gives us a deep message about materialism etc., but as of now there's no reason to care so much.