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Production Company: Studio Hibari (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/company.php?id=176)
Genre: SciFi
Expected Release Date: March 2007
Website: http://www.moonlightmile.jp/
The series is going to air in WoWOW. Iku Suzuki (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=9702) will be the director for the series while the animation director is going to be Isao Sugimoto (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=21491). The show is based on a manga by Otagaki Yasuo. The featured character of this story will be voiced by two very talented VAs. Hirata Hiroaki (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=917) will voice Lostman and Inoue Kazuhiko (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=722) will voice Saruwatari Gorou. The other significant character, Ikeuchi Ryoko, will be voiced by Tanaka Rie (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=697). Consequently I became interested in the title after reading the synopsis that is posted by Eggplant (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=748653&postcount=970) in the New Announced Anime thread.
Two men attemtped to climb Mt. Everest in the winter. One was Saruwatari Gorou, a Japanese, and the other was Jack F. Woodbridge, an American know as "Lostman". The two, having succeeded in climbing the world's steepest mountains, gaze at the international space station above, which was the instant it became their next target.
In January 2005, mankind found new value for the moon, in the form of a natural resource Helium 3, a replacement for fossil fuels. The ample reserve was enough for a thousand years worth of energy for the entire mankind. Concurrently, NASA announced the next generation energy development project "NEXUS", soliciting construction workers globally to work in space. Accepting NASA's offer, Gorou heads off the NASDA as an astronaut-in-training. At the same time, Lostman, who at the time was the ace of the U.S. Navy, was invited by NASA to pilot the shuttle, meets the crew of the ISS (International Space Station).
A good SciFi series has been lacking for sometime. Here is to hoping it will turn out to be a good one.
edit: Updated cast info, thanks to Sonhex!
I'm sure we're all thinking 'is this going to be like Planetes?'. Well I've heard mixed reviews about the manga, but I'm quite intrigued by this due to the apparent 'real science' behind the story (Helium 3). This is quite an ambitious series though, scheduled for 2 seasons and Studio Hibari is a seasoned production house (they worked on Spirited Away).
I'm keeping an open mind though.
Nightengale
2006-12-17, 08:29
I can see it now....
The series starts off it's first 5-10 minutes with the traditional 2 men hiking up Mt. Everest, one slips, the other grabs his hand, smiles to each other, and finally reaching the peak, then looking up spouting some corny line about "reaching the peak of the world, the skies are next blahblahlbah."
Does anyone know what the series centralizes upon for one?
This is quite an ambitious series though, scheduled for 2 seasons and Studio Hibari is a seasoned production house (they worked on Spirited Away).
Other note worthy mentions are GitS - Solid State Society, Petite Cossette, Nausica of the Valley of the Wind, and Angel's Egg. What is noticeable about those titles are that they are all movies except Petite Cossette which is a three episodes OVA in which Studio Hibari is mentioned as the Production Company. For their TV series endeavors, Kasimasi Girl Meets Girl is their only above average animation work. Admittedly, I'm a bit worried because these guys are the ones who also animated Tsuyokiss and Happy Seven which are subpar TV series animation and storywise. That said, as an avid SciFi reader, I'm also keeping an open mind because the synopsis reads interesting.
Does anyone know what the series centralizes upon for one?
As far as I understand by reading few comments in various places, the central focus is placed upon an alternate source of energy, i.e Helium 7. In the present, many scientists theorizes on the possibilities of mining Helium 7 from Earth's sattelite. Perhaps a manga reader will have a better idea.
Other note worthy mentions are GitS - Solid State Society, Petite Cossette, Nausica of the Valley of the Wind, and Angel's Egg. What is noticeable about those titles are that they are all movies except Petite Cossette which is a three episodes OVA in which Studio Hibari is mentioned as the Production Company. For their TV series endeavors, Kasimasi Girl Meets Girl is their only above average animation work. Admittedly, I'm a bit worried because these guys are the ones who also animated Tsuyokiss and Happy Seven which are subpar TV series animation and storywise. That said, as an avid SciFi reader, I'm also keeping an open mind because the synopsis reads interesting...
It is a little disconcerting that Studio Hibari haven't had much experience with tv series. The director though, Iku Suzuki, helmed the excellent Garkun and the script writer is a seasoned pro, having worked on GSD and others. So that's a bit more encouraging. Plus this will air on WOWOW which has a good recent record with popular and quality shows.
As for the science, knowledge of Helium 3 and how to mine and utilize it is largely theoretical so it will be interesting to see what approach MM adopts. I hope for gritty scientific realism, but who knows (except the manga readers) which direction the story takes. Also I understand MM has a lot of sexual content, so I wonder if that will make it into the anime...
Nightengale
2006-12-18, 08:22
Actually, that's a wee bit of what I'm a bit wary of towards this series. It's great if any sci-fi series aims towards a solid form of scientific realism, but too much can also really ruin an anime's pacing, especially if they jump too deeply into the scientific jargons and starts sacrificing pacing and character development/human drama (( not plot since apparently H-3 is a central storyline figure )). Kinda like how Yakitate Japan would've ended up had Sunrise not filtered the manga's excessive scientific explainations of the breads and focused more on the puns and reactions. Last thing I wanted to see was Kuroyan spending 2 minutes pulling off reactions while 10 minutes explaining why the hell the bread was so damn good.
Yeah certainly it's the approach that'll prevent something like this from being an animated Discovery Channel special on NASA's Helium-3 ambitions or something equally sterile. Though from little snippets of info I've read on various (mostly French bd sites) MM is quite gritty and stark, in both it's portrayal of military training and the reality of working in space.
While I really don't expect it to be like Planetes, in either greatness or quality, but something like its approach to the reality of space travel and ergonomics would be ideal. The real science is just there, it's background detail; you'll either detect it or it'll just pass you by. Either way it doesn't impact on the human story until it affects the characters directly.
Um... I'm going to sound like a total prick, but... regarding Studio Hibari's track record, you all are looking at the wrong thing I think.
Sure they took part in Spirited Away, Angel's Egg, blah blah... but take a look at the roles, they're all "Finish Animation", "Supporting Animation", "In-between Animation", "Digital Paint" - that's mostly technical work that many other studios share the job of doing, anyway... The final piece you see says absolutely nothing about the studios that do this work because it's all farmed-out menial work.
A lot of movies do this, they could look awesome on screen but that's largely because they have a lot of in-betweeners (quality is not much of a concern at that stage) and more importantly the key animators are good. Amazingly-animated TV eps can rely entirely on Korean in-betweeners as long as the key animation is good...
What's important is to look at shows where they've done animation production. That is a much better gauge because in those cases the studio is directly involved with most aspects of the animation. That's where you can see their true colours, and in Hibari's case, they generally aren't spanking amazing.
I think Cossette though is an exception because there are cases where you have sub-par studio employees, but the animation looks amazing because of a. the director and b. the staff that he (or she) brings along. Shinbo Akiyuki is such a director. (and taking a look at the animators list, it seems like quite a number of them are associates of the character designer Suzuki.)
It can even happen in mere episodes. I remember Studio Gallop is not the most fantastic of studios, but they did the first two arcs of Rurouni Kenshin, and the occasional awesome stuff there was mostly done, IIRC, by staff that didn't belong to Gallop but happened to appear or something.
I think Sonhex has it spot on about the impact of the scientific detail.
Certainly - I do like attention to details like that, and it makes the show much more realistic... but I'm mostly concerned when it's just about the feasibility of situations, not really the nitty-gritty. If we've got a real serious space show, don't have people yelling out to each other in outer space or have ships magically get their energy from some undepletable source...
This show doesn't even have to be as good as Planetes, I just wouldn't mind watching something that deals with similar themes in some way or another. Gritty and stark? I'm sold, I really have been wanting to watch another one of those for a long time... meanwhile, I'll wonder where that Goro Taniguchi I missed from Planetes went...
Um... I'm going to sound like a total prick, but... regarding Studio Hibari's track record, you all are looking at the wrong thing I think.
Sure they took part in Spirited Away, Angel's Egg, blah blah... but take a look at the roles, they're all "Finish Animation", "Supporting Animation", "In-between Animation", "Digital Paint" - that's mostly technical work that many other studios share the job of doing, anyway... The final piece you see says absolutely nothing about the studios that do this work because it's all farmed-out menial work.
A lot of movies do this, they could look awesome on screen but that's largely because they have a lot of in-betweeners (quality is not much of a concern at that stage) and more importantly the key animators are good. Amazingly-animated TV eps can rely entirely on Korean in-betweeners as long as the key animation is good...
What's important is to look at shows where they've done animation production. That is a much better gauge because in those cases the studio is directly involved with most aspects of the animation. That's where you can see their true colours, and in Hibari's case, they generally aren't spanking amazing.
I think Cossette though is an exception because there are cases where you have sub-par studio employees, but the animation looks amazing because of a. the director and b. the staff that he (or she) brings along. Shinbo Akiyuki is such a director. (and taking a look at the animators list, it seems like quite a number of them are associates of the character designer Suzuki.)
It can even happen in mere episodes. I remember Studio Gallop is not the most fantastic of studios, but they did the first two arcs of Rurouni Kenshin, and the occasional awesome stuff there was mostly done, IIRC, by staff that didn't belong to Gallop but happened to appear or something.
Thanks for elaborating on that. I guess I saw Spirited Away and thought 'ooh that's an impressive credit'. Ghibli fanboy here you see :p Anyway I'm looking forward to viewing a trailer or at least peeking at some more production material to guage how this will look (for good or bad). Fingers crossed until then.
... meanwhile, I'll wonder where that Goro Taniguchi I missed from Planetes went...
We can only hope that once he's got Code Geass out of his system he'll depart on just such project to prove that Planetes wasn't a fluke. Code Geass is cool and all that, but knowing what Taniguchi can do you kind of wonder why he isn't doing it already don't you? Economics perhaps? Anyway I guess this off topic...:p
What's important is to look at shows where they've done animation production. That is a much better gauge because in those cases the studio is directly involved with most aspects of the animation.
I agree. They don't yet have an impressive track records for where Animation Production is involved. Only Kasimasi seemed above average animation wise. Sumomomo has a funny script, but the series is most definitely average when animation is mentioned. Yet, I'm impressed with their involvement in some of those big named movies because of couple of reasons: they were responsible for the digital painting of GitS:SSS. As far as I understand the process of Digital Painting, it is a painstaking one and even then, after all the hard work, doesn't necessarily guarantee an animation studio will have impressive outcome. I believe, one of the reason KyoAni is getting all the ooo's and ahhh's for their animation work, is because they are very good at digi-painting. The other positive impression I have of them would be of their production value of Petit Cossette. After all, they are the one who employed the director which speaks volume about good decision making. Hopefully, they will pull a good one in this occasion even though their track record for producing good quality animation isn't very convincing where TV series is concerned.
Btw, the series will have 26 episodes as reported in Moonphase. Moonlight Mile 1st season: Lift Off will have 12 episodes and Moonlight Mile 2nd season: Touch Down will have 14 episodes. I'm guessing the second season will start in Fall 2007.
That's pretty cool, two seasons. Since they're splitting it up it's essentially like two 13-part shows, which means perhaps the usual problems that come with having 26-ep shows (in terms of pacing) maaay be avoided. Unless they spring one of those evil cliffhanger sort of things on us.
I hope they don't have to do that... -.-
As for digital painting - no, that still is very much a menial job as far as I know. Even doing in-between animation requires more creativity and skill; these guys are doing digital paint without the actual colour designing and colour assigning (that was done obviously by I.G.). And if they screw up, I.G.'s the one checking the paintwork anyway, and they'll fix up any messes. Anyway in the age of digital paint, it's a lot harder to screw up compared to the days of cel - there's a handy thing called digital erasing/undo... Only in cases like Musashi do you have blatant mistakes in colouring and things like that.
And anyway, what colour should go where is not assigned by the painters themselves....
As far as I know, at least, digital painting is a largely unlauded work because it's a bit difficult to actually screw up (so you'd expect only perfection or near perfection from them), but one really must admire all the
people who do it - I'd go mad just sitting at the computer using that digital-paint program all the time. @_@ Frame after frame after frame. That is why digital paint is almost always farmed out to other studios...
Even for Cossette - I don't know the production details behind it, but it's most certainly plausible that it was the producers who hired the director and not the studio. I think that happens kind of often...
(And I think Haruhi was lauded much more for its colour design and quality of drawings + movement than the actual paint - you can't really comment on the digital paint unless it's actually bad because only then do you see any difference. As far as I know.)
Even for Cossette - I don't know the production details behind it, but it's most certainly plausible that it was the producers who hired the director and not the studio.
Yeap, that's my understanding as well which is why I'm hopeful Studio Hibari may come through since they are the one shown as the producers for Petit Cossette. :) Good info as always!
Some casting info from here (http://www.wowow.co.jp/anime/moonlight/), Gorou is played by Inoue Kazuhiko (most recently heard as Sotetsu from Bakumatsu Kikansetsu Irohanihoheto). Jack F. Woodbridge/Lostman played by Hirata Hiroaki (Benny from Black Lagoon/Sanji in One Piece). Ryoko is played by Rie Tanaka, who I'm sure everyone knows:p
Stellar cast, really looking forward to this now.
I registered a boat load of posts yesterday and I still failed to notice Sonhex's update. Keeping up with so many thread isn't easy. Anyway, updated the opening post.
I agree with Sonhex's assessment of the cast. Hiroaki-san happens to be one of my most favorite VAs. A stellar performance of his talent can be witnessed in Kaze no Yojimbo. My interest in this upcoming series has gone up a few notch with him included in the cast. May be this will be the break out series for Studio Hibari!?
The website (http://www.moonlightmile.jp/top.html) is now hosting a Promotional Video for it.
Also, the ending theme is now known:
「Scarecrow」 by the pillows (avex trax).
eggplant
2007-01-19, 11:04
Hm, not much to see from the trailer.
Great cast comprised of veteran seiyuus.
Since this will air on WOWOW's non-scrambled (subscription only) slot on Saturday nights, and every title in this slot since TOKKO has an R-15 rating, it looks like Moonlight Mile won't be an exception. If that's the case, I wonder how they're going to handle the sex scenes.
Good to see they're opting for realism, but the CG in that promo looks very sterile to me. More like a simulation than a stylish backdrop; especially that fly-by of the IIS. Epic music though, very James Horner...
prince leon
2007-01-29, 04:09
Tanaka Rie is all I needed to see. I'm already sold on the series just because of her. :D
Speaking of the gorgeous Miss.Rie Tanaka...
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Left to right - Hirata Hiroaki (Lostman), Rie Tanaka (Ryoko), Inoue Kazuhiko (Gurou).
Picture from this article (http://hobby-channel.net/content/view/2184/67/), an interview with the three of them talking about MM (and having a good giggle about some of the 'adult' scenes :p).
Xellos-_^
2007-01-29, 12:01
Certainly - I do like attention to details like that, and it makes the show much more realistic... but I'm mostly concerned when it's just about the feasibility of situations, not really the nitty-gritty. If we've got a real serious space show, don't have people yelling out to each other in outer space or have ships magically get their energy from some undepletable source...
This show doesn't even have to be as good as Planetes, I just wouldn't mind watching something that deals with similar themes in some way or another. Gritty and stark? I'm sold, I really have been wanting to watch another one of those for a long time... meanwhile, I'll wonder where that Goro Taniguchi I missed from Planetes went...
The technical details could be taken care off by having a 60sec explanation in the beginning of each Ep. Kinda like how Divergence Eve did it. The rest of the eps didn't go into too much of details of the techno babble but the opening took care of that.
eggplant
2007-02-04, 10:02
Saw episode 1.
Episode 1 had smooth, detailed artwork and animation. Hope Hibari can retain the quality throught the rest of the long series, considering the many titles they're handling currently. The HDTV broadcast and 5.1 sound is a plus, although for the latter, I always wonder about the existence of sound in outer space when watching space oreinted anime.
Certainly gave me PlaneteS vibes, but it seems that the central concept will be placed on the two protagonists, so looking forward to some human drama. As goes the proverbial "a science fiction series must have an evil entity" plotline, the first 5 minutes of the show the underlying dark side of the moon scenario. Wonder what ulterior motives lies beneath the spacesuits?
The characters are drawn quite realistically, with minimal exaggerations of physical features. The faces inside the space suit fishbowl are ugly, and heck, there's even fat and bald astronauts.
I have no qualms about the veteran seiyuus, although it's a pity Inoue Kikuko got the axe already. Definitely have high hopes for Tanaka Rie in never seen before situations.
Although I thought Moonlight Mile did its best to depict the cosmological aspects , I also believe military and space fans will have their share of criticism. Being a 26 episode story with likely a hiatus in between, character development will be essential.
hi no ken Jebus
2007-02-04, 17:13
Just watched the episode one preview special. Hmm not exactly Planetes this seems like it'll be more action heavy and political. The character designs I really have no problem with but damn they are ugly:heh:. Music is pretty fitting, my only gripe was the CG sometimes it would look good other times kind of jarring like in the opening sequence with the robot assaulting that woman for snooping where she shouldn't have for it. I like the voice actors quite a bit especially Inoue Kazuhiko.
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eggplant, are you sure it's 26 episodes? Seems too much to me, and AniDB mentions only 12 - a much more realistic figure.
It's apparently 2 seasons of 13 episodes (or perhaps 12 then 14?). Personally, looking through the raw for this show and comparing it to REIDEEN, something seems wrong in terms of scheduling over at WOWOW. Airing the far prettier Moonlight Mile in the middle of the night with 5.1 sound and putting REIDEEN with 2.0 sound, which was very boring and slow for episode 1 (obviously can't judge it on that alone though), in the prime time slot where Chevalier/Ergo Proxy were previously.
I'm just not following...
eggplant, are you sure it's 26 episodes? Seems too much to me, and AniDB mentions only 12 - a much more realistic figure.
2 seasons, the first of 12 and the second of 14.
Kaoru Chujo
2007-02-06, 14:04
Clearly, I've been missing something by not watching enough SF. In what other shows can I see CG as atmospherically effective as the command vehicle landing in the reservation on the moon, or the external shots of the space station, or the fighter jets?
I loved the CG, despite some variations, but as soon as people started talking, I had problems. The voices tend to be so self-important and old-fashioned, to my ear. Especially Lostman. I think I react negatively to them the way some other people react to simpering moe-girl voices.
It's probably just personal preference, but I feel as if anime doesn't do realism well. I have trouble suspending my disbelief. I think live-action is better for gritty, realistic situations, and anime is better at fantasy, or at least where things are stylized rather than trying for some spurious kind of realism.
But I got a strong emotional impact from some scenes, especially early (Tanaka Rie?); the story seems interesting; and the music was great, overall. So I'll definitely be back in March when the series starts for real.Regular broadcast will start 3 March. Ep 1 was apparently broadcast as a special preview on a WOWOW free day, Sunday.
Is this one R-15? I know Kemonozume and Tokyo Tribe 2 were.
Tokko didn't really seem that appealing to me, but on the whole WOWOW has been funding/airing some pretty darned cool offbeat titles.
It's not Kemonozume or TT2, it's mostly Coyote Ragtime Show.
So, let's get this right. Could someone explain / confirm the following.
On the 4th Feb Episode 1 aired, but as a special preview. I assume this means it was the actual first episode (not some sort of special version) and it is called a "special preview" because it was aired before the actual TV series officially started. As far as I can make out, the regular 12 episode run starts on the 3rd March, so does this mean they will show the same episode 1 again on that date?
After the 4th Feb Episode 1 special preview was aired, they aired a Preview Special. This was a short preview (i.e. advert) lasting a couple of minutes? Is this correct. It's this short preview that has just been subbed by Formula (at least I assume it contains subtitles otherwise it shouldn't be listed on AnimeSuki :) ).
Yes, the "Preview Special" was at the end of the episode and we just separated it. It does contain subs, I encoded it. :P
Episode 1 will air again. I'm not sure whether it will be exactly the same, but it probably won't have that extra at the end...
Watched ep 1 at last and, in short, the ambition and epic scale of the show is impressive. The animation is thankfully decent (especially the main characters) and while the CG is a bit hit and miss for the most part it's solid. The soundtrack is rather good, fitting the spirit of the show perfectly. Overall a satisfactory first episode (despite the almost naked men) with the promise of space exploration, epic battles, political and military shenanigans and testesterone fuelled manliness to come.:p
The one thing Moonlight Mile does right from the word go is convey a sense of EPIC. This is an anime with big ambition, it's taking its influence from space and military epics like The Right Stuff, Top Gun and Apollo 13. It's thinking BIG. The OP is a montage of showy budget powered CG that the promotional material has been harping on about - space battles, Halo style armour suits vs mechanised troops, warships, the White House, jets and whatnot etc... - it's all very impressive and certainly taking it's cue from 'Hollywood'. Hard not to think this will be nice eye-candy - but only if you like CG, because most it is.
As for the first story, it's quite effective at setting up the two protagonists - Gurou and Lostman. These are men's men. Grrr. Before climbing Everest they bed a couple of local women (cue dark gratuitous gang bang scene, boobs, sweating, grimacing - you've been warned :p ). Okay it's ridiculous but you get the picture. Subtlety is not MM's strong point. Anyway Gurou is a likeable down to earth type, while Lostman is cold and distant military hardman. This is portrayed rather effectively when they rescue a woman climber (whom they name Snow Princess) after her team are decimated by an avalanche. Gurou holds her as she dies while Lostman looks away - this is all played out against activities on the International Space Station and a tune played on a violin by one of the atronauts (I can't think what this violin piece is, I've heard it before - it's probably Liszt or Kreisler or something). That scene is quite moving and one the best of the first episode. This also shows MM has a heart, despite all the testosterone on display. After their triumph on Everest Gurou is an alcoholic construction worker building a launch pad as part of the space programme and Lostman is an ace fighter pilot (oh, pretty CG planes). Both are poles apart at the end of the first ep but obviously their paths will cross when they both get into space. There's also a political aspect in the background with the space programme and the mysterious armoured troops in the opening sequence set on the moon. There's lots of stuff going on already, only hinted at in the first ep. Overall it's quite realistic and honest in it's portrayal of the lives of our heroes - in the first ep we have sex, tragedy and death all taken in their stride. I can see us getting some quite stark and uncompromising scenes in the future when the action shifts into orbit.
Animation wise, it's not bad considering Studio Hibari is a relatively unknown quantity. The strengths are in the main characters, which are detailed and distinctive, but in a quite realitistic and, it has to be said, ugly way. There's no pretty boys and girls here. It's quite refreshing actually. On the downside the CG is rather clunky in places (in the OP for example), and some of the background detail, crowds and npcs, is very poorly drawn, but thankfully that's quite brief. They clearly blew the budget on the CG and those detailed close ups of the main characters on Everest.
Kan Sawada's soundtrack, like the whole show, aims big. Especially the track used in the OP, which is a glorious sweeping affair like something out of Apollo 13. The soundtrack will be a must buy, even if the show ends up being a dissapointment. The Pillow's ED, played out against Gurou wandering across the moon, is okay, but nothing special, it fits the show well though.
Screenshots:
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Is this one R-15? I know Kemonozume and Tokyo Tribe 2 were.
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Most definately R-15. Not for kids. :p
the.Merines
2007-03-04, 13:23
Seems to me like they made a few changes between the preview version and the broadcast version. The whole opening scene on the moon is a lot darker, several scenes in the OP are changed...
i actually watched the first episode just now and I must say that it's really interesting and I am starting to wonder if it will be anything like planetes, since planetes was my favorite sci-fi show of all time.
Interesting stuff honestly, and the sex scene was something I didn't understand until I got the hint from above...
I thought my eyes weren't deceiving me...
That sex scene wasn't in the preview version. :heh: At least, we won't have people labeling those two as a couple. ;)
This definitely won't be like Planetes imo. =D>
But what I would like to know is...
How come no one noticed an explosion on the dark side of the moon? How does a secret organization set up shop on the moon?
I actually did up an episode summary of Episode 1 + screenshots (http://that.animeblogger.net/2007/03/05/moonlight-mile-episode-1-gar-nsfw-sci-fi-wahhhhh/).
Hmmm, I don't have an answer for Orion's question...but.
Still, I am surprised how a huge fleet of soldiers and an extremely big spaceship can be totally unseen considering that the setting is based on the conquest of Helium 3 as the alternative source of energy resources. How can they escape so easily but I presumed that it can be assumed simply as a form of scavenger act by the other nations. I feel that it's likely that even if people noticed, it might be something secretive since all sides are doing it of sorts.
The astronaut just got the wrong time.
Seems to me like they made a few changes between the preview version and the broadcast version. The whole opening scene on the moon is a lot darker, several scenes in the OP are changed...
I'll add a few small changes to Merines post;
1) OP song is the same, but animation has been changed
2) The same goes for the ED
3) They have used much more CG in the March version as opposed to the preview version.
4) Added scene after the OP, without dialogue
I was quite surprised about the 3rd point, because I really don't understand why it was done like this. What is the point in releasing a preview, where the animation is different than from the actual 1st episode (perhaps as promotion, but then why go into the trouble of redoing the animation?). And quite frankly said, some scenes look better in the preview release. It just seems to as if though they tried to use too much kick ass CG and it ended up as a negative. Just like Sonhex said, somewhat "hit and miss"...
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I was quite surprised about the 3rd point, because I really don't understand why it was done like this. What is the point in releasing a preview, where the animation is different than from the actual 1st episode (perhaps as promotion, but then why go into the trouble of redoing the animation?)...
I only saw the broadcast version so I don't know if the extra stuff harms the first episode at all but this is a big project for WOWOW and I guess they needed to hype it up to get the viewers. A streaming version and then a preview seems to be the new cost effective way of doing that (same for Reideen incidently). Also they may have got feedback from viewers or sponsors and decided to add or change bits accordingly. Alternatively the preview episodes may not have been 100% completed, they may even have been rushed for scheduling purposes. Who knows, maybe the DVD version will be different too :p
I was wondering about that too. The last scene in the OP is shaded for some reason so I thought that the shading would be removed in the DVD version.
kauldron26
2007-03-10, 04:16
if this is even half as good as Planet ES, we are in store for something quite awesome.
It's a very different beast to Planetes, though there are superficial similarities. It's a bit early to say whether it deserves such comparisons, but as a well-observed human drama based around the space race it's shaping up quite nicely. Which brings me on to ep 2 ...
...a much more evenly balanced episode focussing primarily on Gorou's recruitment as a 'building specialist' for the space program by the cool Ryoko, (played to perfection by Tanaka Rie). Lostman is shown briefly, heading out on another mission but this is more about Gorou and Ryoko.
Yes there's more sex and nudity. Ryoko gets some action with her man, Lostman with his latest conquest onboard an aircraft carrier and Gurou, get this, is seen shagging some floozy in the cabin of his crane (unfortunately when Ryoko comes to interview him lol). I guess MM is as much about the varied sex lives of its protagonists as about the race to secure Helium3 on the moon. Some of the naughty bits seem a little unnecessary to me, but Gurou's scene was just plain hilarious.:p
However, and rather interestingly, MM begins to show its strengths, through character dynamics and tensions, especially during the rescue of a trapped worker by Gurou. Ryoko dialling Gurou's mobile phone during the critical moment to test him under pressure was an inspired bit of writing that hints at an intelligence behind the scriptwriting beyond the sex and glossy CG.
Ryoko is by far the most interesting character in MM - successful, sensual and bold in her dealings with men. Tanaka Rie plays her as a real career woman, not unlike Hiroko in Hataraki Man but instead Ryoko seems to be equally adept in her personal and professional lives, although how Gurou (or Lostman) impact on both remains to be seen. A love triangle is likely and would be very welcome I think.
Good stuff :)
It's a very different beast to Planetes, though there are superficial similarities. It's a bit early to say whether it deserves such comparisons, but as a well-observed human drama based around the space race it's shaping up quite nicely.
It's definitely shaping up very nicely. As mentioned in your spoiler hidden section, the character development and interaction is well thought out. It's already pushing all the right buttons for me.
Is any fansub group working on this show? I have to admit, I'm kind of surprised that a show with such hype behind it would actually manage to get TWO EPISODES AIRED before even a single fansub could be found! (: I imagine SOMEONE must be working on it, but if not, I may just have to break down and watch the raws...
-Tom
Kaoru Chujo
2007-03-14, 00:39
Formula subs has already brought out the preview version of episode 1 and is listed on Andrew LB's site (http://fansub.andrewlb.com/pukiwiki.php?Winter%202006%2F2007) as subbing this show.
I've seen the Chinese sub of ep1, and ep2 raw, and this show is looking good. Tanaka Rie's character is riveting, and the plot is moving well, if jerkily. I'm still getting used to the harshness, but so be it. I think they're showing Goro as a little too loopy on the surface, but the VA (Inoue Kazuhiko) is holding the character together for me. The way they are playing the sex is part of the harshness, and seems pretty unsexy to me, but I have the sense they know what effects they are aiming at, so I'll give them time to weave the spell.I still find the CG impressive. It just seems to work for me.
metal_fingers
2007-03-14, 17:29
Formula subs has already brought out the preview version of episode 1 and is listed on Andrew LB's site (http://fansub.andrewlb.com/pukiwiki.php?Winter%202006%2F2007) as subbing this show.
any idea if 720p version is being subbed by anyone?
any idea if 720p version is being subbed by anyone?
Formula are doing it too, it's not on Animesuki yet. You can get it here (http://a.scarywater.net/formulasub/) though :)
According to Formula's site, Moonlight Mile will be dropped because their translator for this project will not be translating the later episodes.
Good to see they're opting for realism, but the CG in that promo looks very sterile to me. More like a simulation than a stylish backdrop; especially that fly-by of the IIS. Epic music though, very James Horner...
yeah I really like the music in the trailer
and sex scene :upset: ??? SOLD
*rush to grab a copy of eps 1*
metal_fingers
2007-03-14, 18:46
Formula are doing it too, it's not on Animesuki yet. You can get it here (http://a.scarywater.net/formulasub/) though :)
my apologies for the mindless question...when i checked earlier only the standard definition version had been posted. thanks for the heads-up
KamelRed
2007-03-14, 22:12
According to Formula's site, Moonlight Mile will be dropped because their translator for this project will not be translating the later episodes.
That would be a shame. :(
Hopefully another group will decide to pick it up as well. Compared to some shows this one actually looks like its worth the time to sub. :D
According to Formula's site, Moonlight Mile will be dropped because their translator for this project will not be translating the later episodes.
I agree it's a shame. They did a good job on this one imo. :sad:
Well, I hope that they find a new translator, or other group picks this up.
I like it, realistic (or as much realistic as possible) space drama mixed with some politics is always my cup of tea.
prince leon
2007-03-15, 11:34
The first episode was great. I'm loving the character interactions and the way they deal with real-life situations (such as with the Snow Princess). No to mention from the little I've seen from Riyoko, I've already become a big fan of hers (much in part to the powerful/authoritative aura she gives off and the lovely Tanaka Rie). Me thinks I'll continue blogging this. :)
I do hope Formula continues to sub it if they're able to find another translator. If not then hopefully someone else picks it up because it really deserves some attention.
kauldron26
2007-03-15, 11:55
wow.... that first episode was pretty fuckin fantastic. The animation is pretty awesome.. and Gorou sorta reminds me of Hachimaki's dad from Planet ES
i can see it now.... months down the line, this anime as great as it already is will be overshadowed by some shitty overrated show that revolves around lolis, moe and all that other otaku shit...
Kaoru Chujo
2007-03-19, 20:06
Still good. Good pacing and characters and voice acting. I especially liked the black pilot Chris, played by Ishizuka Unshou (Bunta Fujiwara in Initial D).
It was almost as if this was partly a filler, or at least a side-story. But it continued to contribute both to our understanding of Goro's character and to the progress of the story: this is how he rises in the list to go to space.
And this episode shows that Japanese animators are even worse at drawing black people than at drawing white people.And I continue to enjoy the CG.
And this episode shows that Japanese animators are even worse at drawing black people than at drawing white people.And I continue to enjoy the CG.
Yeah,
The hair truly sucked. :heh:
kauldron26
2007-03-20, 15:07
hopefully shinsen picks this anime up...
NoSanninWa
2007-03-20, 15:15
AnimeYuki intends to pick this up. They just need help some translation help.
If any translators reading this thread would like to work on the show, then please head over to AnimeYuki. Here's their ad:Positions: Japanese to English Translator
Group: AnimeYuki
Group attitude: Quality >>> Speed
Upcoming Project: Moonlight Mile
IRC Channel: #AnimeYuki@irc.rizon.com
IRC Contact(s): Kawasumi_Mai, Tohsaka_Rin, Nagato_Yuki, Minase_Nayuki, Sonozaki_Mion, wa-totem, mirrim, zerox20
Looking for someone to make first TL passes on episodes of this show. While SF fan with some understanding of techie jargon would have it easier, the team has editors with rudimentary knowledge of japanese and a truckload of technology fan-girls/-boys, so we CAN and WILL cleanup if needed.
Warning: show contains some adult material (non-explicit, it's not a hentai).
All other tasks covered, but all contributions welcome.
Joint offers are OK, too.
the.Merines
2007-03-20, 18:21
You must be rather interested in this, NoSanninWa, to post a help ad in here. :heh:
NoSanninWa
2007-03-20, 21:26
Well kauldron26 brought up the topic and yeah, I'm rather interested in this.
I really liked episode 1 a lot, but I have fears for my ability to watch episode 2 after hearing the news that Forumula is dropping the show after only 1 episode. I really want AnY to pick this up. I've always loved AnY's quality and style in the past and I look forward to seeing them sub Moonlight Mile. They are a very classy group and this show would really benefit from their talent.
I love hard core science fiction and if I could I'd sub it myself-the character development is a little suspect in ep.1 but it can only get better as time goes on.The quality of the show, technicialy wise-is fantastic.
Potatochobit
2007-03-26, 11:06
I have to put this show in that hentai gore category.
sure it might be pretty but it does have blatant nudity, sex scenes and graphic death scenes. its really not something teenagers should be watching.
indeed I may be prejudging this since I only watched episode one and viewed the screens of coming episodes, but other shows like akira and blue seed etc etc are also in my gore category and I already know that genre is not my cup of tea.
the physics in this show may be realistic, but the storyline and attitudes definately are not. this show is not potato approved. you may flame on.
kauldron26
2007-03-26, 13:49
c'mon someone pick this anime up... hopefully shinsen.
NoSanninWa
2007-03-26, 14:58
I'm curious. This is the second time you've posted that. Why do you think that Shinsen would do the best job with this show? Are you just hoping for speed?
Personally I find it unlikely that they would pick it up since it is rather different from 95% of their choices.
I have to put this show in that hentai gore category.
sure it might be pretty but it does have blatant nudity, sex scenes and graphic death scenes. its really not something teenagers should be watching.
indeed I may be prejudging this since I only watched episode one and viewed the screens of coming episodes, but other shows like akira and blue seed etc etc are also in my gore category and I already know that genre is not my cup of tea.
the physics in this show may be realistic, but the storyline and attitudes definately are not. this show is not potato approved. you may flame on.
no more than usually found in (american) shows and movies. unless i miss some scenes. :o
besides not every anime watchers are teenagers.
we have more than enough kids-safe anime already. bring up something more interesting. i'm referring to the realistic tech, science-details and politics, not the skin fest & gore. :p
kauldron26
2007-03-27, 23:43
I'm curious. This is the second time you've posted that. Why do you think that Shinsen would do the best job with this show? Are you just hoping for speed?
Personally I find it unlikely that they would pick it up since it is rather different from 95% of their choices.
lol... i really dont know... ive been a fan of shinsen since sophomore year of College. Shit, the first time i discovered anime outsie of adult swin was the Shinsen Fansub of Samurai Champloo. And i remeber that they were the guys that sorta introduced me to anime. lol. I actually researched the term fansub, IRC, and torrents after i saw their Champloo release off Limewire. So i guess i have some sort of weird attachment to them.... They did pop my anime Cherry after all...
They did do Flag, Beck, and Kemono Zume, so i cant see why the wont sub moonlight mile, Red Garden, and Chevalier. Their tastes range, and arent confined to action animes only.
pagan poor
2007-03-31, 13:39
Well, your wish came through. Shinsen subs and Formula subs are doing a joint subbing. The subbed Ep 2 is out. A higher resolution version will be out soon.
I'm curious. This is the second time you've posted that. Why do you think that Shinsen would do the best job with this show? Are you just hoping for speed?
Personally I find it unlikely that they would pick it up since it is rather different from 95% of their choices.
Usually when all hope fails, Shinsen picks up the ball and does the series. Gotta pat them on the back for that. :)
Thanks FoSub and Shinsen for ep. 2.
ccardoso
2007-03-31, 17:41
I want to kiss Shinsen staff! :D
Thanks for picking the show guys!!!!!!
Woohhhooo. Where's that dancing smiley? :D
ccardoso
2007-04-01, 03:41
indeed I may be prejudging this since I only watched episode one and viewed the screens of coming episodes, but other shows like akira and blue seed etc etc are also in my gore category and I already know that genre is not my cup of tea.
the physics in this show may be realistic, but the storyline and attitudes definately are not. this show is not potato approved. you may flame on.
If characers's behaviours hurt your ethic/morale it doesn't mean that they're unrealistic. Anyway I've had enough of good heroes, cheesy crap, blood not shown and being scared of showing anything regarding sex in the anime. Don't criticize a realistical anime only because it doesn't reflect your ideal puritan-like reality. :rolleyes:
There is Walt-Disney and such for kids-safe crap.
Slice of Life
2007-04-01, 07:34
If characers's behaviours hurt your ethic/morale it doesn't mean that they're unrealistic. Anyway I've had enough of good heroes, cheesy crap, blood not shown and being scared of showing anything regarding sex in the anime. Don't criticize a realistical anime only because it doesn't reflect your ideal puritan-like reality. :rolleyes:
There is Walt-Disney and such for kids-safe crap.
I think there is still enough space between Disney and Moonlight Mile for a cartoon or two.
And I think you're going over the top with your puritanism remark here. Calling the cops when a 4 years old child is playing naked on the beach, that's puritanism. A national crisis when Janet Jackson flashes her boob on TV because the view might leave kids mentally scarred or because God Does Not Approve, that's puritanism.
But the nude scenes in Moonlight Mile simply breathe sexism. Goro is TEH MAN who can use women like cleenex and they like it, yeah, we already gathered that. And don't be mistaken that the message of the show is something like "Look we made a complex character tale for the mature viewer with minimal identification potential because the main characters' behavior might hurt your ethic/morale." The message is much simpler, namely "Oh look, how baddass, isn't that cool?"
Too bad, from all shows in 2007 I've seen or read the synopsis so far Moonlight Mile had the highest potential for me, realistic sci-fi plus down-to-earth politics. Cheap CGI is easily outweighted by good plot in my eyes, but cheap CGI plus this characterization is almost a killer. Worst thing is I probably will keep watching it only because I'm afraid I might miss something good in there.
NoSanninWa
2007-04-01, 12:21
Usually when all hope fails, Shinsen picks up the ball and does the series. Gotta pat them on the back for that. :)
Thanks FoSub and Shinsen for ep. 2.
I'm very happy to be wrong about this. And doubly happy that it is continuing as a joint. This show continues to show its quality.
Potatochobit
2007-04-01, 12:38
anyway the point is when does anime cease to become a show for the general public and when does it become a niche adult show? In my opinion this is not for the average anime fan.
and here is something that i find slightly amusing. Shinsen is against koikoi7 but this is Ok? yeah, I had a little smirk there, in a good way of course.
ccardoso
2007-04-01, 13:22
Too bad, from all shows in 2007 I've seen or read the synopsis so far Moonlight Mile had the highest potential for me, realistic sci-fi plus down-to-earth politics. Cheap CGI is easily outweighted by good plot in my eyes, but cheap CGI plus this characterization is almost a killer. Worst thing is I probably will keep watching it only because I'm afraid I might miss something good in there.
So far we've seen nothing about the space so give this show a chance before marking it as hentai. :D
Who cares if they fuck a little: let them do, I couldn't care less. I want to see the real deal and that's when it's in space. The physic, the graphic and the plot: this is just introduction and one thing that I'm starting to find annoying is that it's taking too long. I want the space, I know Earth already for obvious reasons! :D
anyway the point is when does anime cease to become a show for the general public and when does it become a niche adult show? In my opinion this is not for the average anime fan.
the average anime fan is not the most discerning of audiences, which is why japanese studios pump out poorly-directed gundam series stretched into as many episodes as possible, h-game conversions and manga adaptations ad infinitum, and so on. if a series succeeds on an artistic or creative level above and beyond the call of duty, it is precisely because it does not appeal to the lowest common denominator.
i don't think moonlight mile attempts to be a "show for the general public" for the "average anime fan," and that's a good thing to me. it's understandable that the characters might alienate the typical sci-fi anime viewer, but then again, i can see how this would play very well to an older male audience. it remains to be seen whether the machismo of the central male characters will be an intriguing character flaw or an overbearing facet of the characterization, but for now, i'm hooked.
i really like this show after watching episode 1, especially with the 720p releases. Now i'm waiting for the HD version of episode 2.
But the nude scenes in Moonlight Mile simply breathe sexism. Goro is TEH MAN who can use women like cleenex and they like it, yeah, we already gathered that. And don't be mistaken that the message of the show is something like "Look we made a complex character tale for the mature viewer with minimal identification potential because the main characters' behavior might hurt your ethic/morale." The message is much simpler, namely "Oh look, how baddass, isn't that cool?"
Too bad, from all shows in 2007 I've seen or read the synopsis so far Moonlight Mile had the highest potential for me, realistic sci-fi plus down-to-earth politics. Cheap CGI is easily outweighted by good plot in my eyes, but cheap CGI plus this characterization is almost a killer. Worst thing is I probably will keep watching it only because I'm afraid I might miss something good in there.
I think that this anime takes place in the alternate universe where HIV, gonorrhea and chlamydia don't exist. :heh: Goro, Goro, Goro... use some protection once in a while. :nono: :heh:
I agree that this is definitely aimed at an older male audience. Prob Goro hasn't matured enough for the job at hand (sexual promiscuity is a sign of immaturity, impulsivity and poor decision making imo) and we may see that development (him actually acting more like a professional and an adult) as the series develops hopefully. Yes, these 2 are using the females, but those females are also allowing themselves to be used.
Ep. 5 was a real hoot in that department. We got to see loads of topless pole dancers and Goro has a brief interlude with one of them. But I think that Goro may have a cold spell once he gets to space station and we will get to see some character development hopefully since there's only 1 female up there and that type of professional won't be loose.
So far each of those females that got used hasn't had a great outcome. The waitress is still a waitress. The pole dancer won't ever become that ballerina. Riyoko backed the wrong guy, but she's still in the game. The lady on the carrier was totally nameless but carriers are small so she's definitely got a bad rep.
Alright regarding Goro, ... err oh well this whole reply is going to be spoilers...
Goro loves mountain climbing, where he is not unfamiliar with accidents leading death (shown in ep1). People in hazardous occupation usually try to have fun while they can. Some people may think them as unwise. But they may not get another chance.
In ep2 Goro told Riyoko he doesn't really make any plan. He prepared as much as possible, embarked on a climbing expendition, and tried to do the best (while staying alive). This led to Riyoko thinking of him as capricious. But truly anything can happen in this kind of situation. He is reliable though as shown by that feat he did rescuing that old man.
So he is impulsive (or just trying to enjoy life while he can). He trusts his instinct (regarding the contact point during the rescue) -- but still wise enough to discuss it with other people and not just made his own decision. He is dependable during emergency. Although he is by no means a perfect goody-goody boy.
That may be what Ohtagaki Yasuo intended, or at least the impression I get. Can't comment much until I see more (up to ep2 now).
ccardoso's reply might come off as harsh but have to agree with him. Perfect heroes, sanitized world (no blood, no cursing, no skin), black and white obvious good and evil no greys inbetween, invincible one-man-army hero. These have all been done so many times.
I want something new, something fresh.
anyway the point is when does anime cease to become a show for the general public and when does it become a niche adult show? In my opinion this is not for the average anime fan.
Anime/animation is one out of many forms of entertainment/story telling/art/etc. Like books. Like radio. Like cinema. Catered to different audiences. Some people like action stories, some like comedy, others like romance. Some audience are kids, some are teenagers, some are adults.
You are claiming that average anime fan (or audience) are kids. Therefore unsanitized shows are improper. This is a very bold claim. Which I disagree.
Anime is not american cartoon. In america, animation is limited only for children. Which is a waste in my opinion. Why limit all the potential?
Slice of Life
2007-04-02, 08:10
Yes, these 2 are using the females, but those females are also allowing themselves to be used.
Which only speaks against the show.
ccardoso's reply might come off as harsh but have to agree with him. Perfect heroes, sanitized world (no blood, no cursing, no skin), black and white obvious good and evil no greys inbetween, invincible one-man-army hero. These have all been done so many times.
I want something new, something fresh.
Black and white is what I see in your and ccardoso's argumentation by branding people who dislike the message of this show as some kind of bible belt morons demanding "no blood, no cursing, no skin".
And I don't see much revolutionary about the two main characters not do they look as if they were created to attract only a tiny "mature" audience. First of all, Goro does indeed look pretty much invicible to me at the moment. Did anybody have any doubts that he would rescue his collegue, even though being half drunk, getting wrong advice from the computer and being distracted by his cellphone? He's also perfect in the sense that he has all the character traits that will be appreciated by a large fanbase. He's bold, courageous, skilled, and so on, in one word, he emanates coolness. He doesn't care for morale what makes him even cooler in the eyes of many people. He's the type of anti hero you'll find practically everywhere. Tarantino, Hellsing, I don't even know where to start. That his amorality is played out on the sexual field (instead of making him a yakuza, say) is not seen too often in anime thanks to the (self-)censorship in the business but still this archetype goes back at least as far as to early 90s OVAs. In Japanese cinema the type was always present anyway, see Kitano, Miike. I agree that Goro has not much appeal to the youngest audience but most males will be fascinated by the amoralic badass type no later then once they reach the age where they hide their porn folders from their mothers.
So no, there's not much fresh or new about the characters and yes, it has a lot of mass appeal. I don't know if the "typical" anime fan will like him but how is is the "typical" anime fan like anyway? But in any case, if you want to really go against the demands of 90 percent of the anime fans then try Shinji Ikari.
The big plus of Moonlight Mile still is that it has the potential to deliver an epic and realistic plot which is indeed rarely if ever seen in anime.
Black and white is what I see in your and ccardoso's argumentation by branding people who dislike the message of this show as some kind of bible belt morons demanding "no blood, no cursing, no skin".
And I don't see much revolutionary about the two main characters not do they look as if they were created to attract only a tiny "mature" audience. ...
I never said that people who prefer "no blood, no cursing, no skin" type of anime are "bible belt morons". How did you come to this conclusion anyway? :eyespin:
I said there are already a lot such anime out there. And I personally welcome something different.
And I don't see much revolutionary about the two main characters not do they look as if they were created to attract only a tiny "mature" audience. First of all, Goro does indeed look pretty much invicible to me at the moment. Did anybody have any doubts that he would rescue his collegue, even though being half drunk, getting wrong advice from the computer and being distracted by his cellphone? He's also perfect in the sense that he has all the character traits that will be appreciated by a large fanbase. He's bold, courageous, skilled, and so on, in one word, he emanates coolness. He doesn't care for morale what makes him even cooler in the eyes of many people. He's the type of anti hero you'll find practically everywhere. Tarantino, Hellsing, I don't even know where to start. That his amorality is played out on the sexual field (instead of making him a yakuza, say) is not seen too often in anime thanks to the (self-)censorship in the business but still this archetype goes back at least as far as to early 90s OVAs. In Japanese cinema the type was always present anyway, see Kitano, Miike. I agree that Goro has not much appeal to the youngest audience but most males will be fascinated by the amoralic badass type no later then once they reach the age where they hide their porn folders from their mothers.
So no, there's not much fresh or new about the characters and yes, it has a lot of mass appeal. I don't know if the "typical" anime fan will like him but how is is the "typical" anime fan like anyway? But in any case, if you want to really go against the demands of 90 percent of the anime fans then try Shinji Ikari.
The big plus of Moonlight Mile still is that it has the potential to deliver an epic and realistic plot which is indeed rarely if ever seen in anime.
Regarding Goro, what I wrote in my reply was the impression I got and a guess on the author's intension with that particular character.
I made no claim regarding originality, perfection, or even that "they were created to attract only a tiny "mature" audience". :twitch: Again how did you come to all this?
I strongly disagree that immoraliy is cool. But that's an entirely different subject.
You are claiming that average anime fan (or audience) are kids. Therefore unsanitized shows are improper. This is a very bold claim. Which I disagree.
Anime is not american cartoon. In america, animation is limited only for children. Which is a waste in my opinion. Why limit all the potential?
Actually, I was thinking that the maturity level of this series may reflect the current demographics (http://anime.crumplednapkin.net/2006/06/30/japans-demographics-hit-undesired-records-koizumi-in-graceland/) in Japan. Only 13.6% of the population is under the age of 15 yo. That's considered a world low.
Anime is also a business that targets it's demographics. Japan has aging population now so a more maturer title may sell better imo.
But, I do agree that for right now it's prob a niche title. It may even have a hard time in R1. Let's face it all the things that Goro does is against basic R1 life survival skills. Sexual promiscuity will get you a STD (including HIV). Drunk on the job will get you fired. Sex on the job will get you fired. Sex with people of questionable history can lead to loads of problems down the line (HIV).
Goro's antics does wear thin after 5 episodes imo. He may have been a hero in the 90's. Now I think that he's anachronistic. He needs to mature some more imo.
If characers's behaviours hurt your ethic/morale it doesn't mean that they're unrealistic. Anyway I've had enough of good heroes, cheesy crap, blood not shown and being scared of showing anything regarding sex in the anime. Don't criticize a realistical anime only because it doesn't reflect your ideal puritan-like reality. :rolleyes:
There is Walt-Disney and such for kids-safe crap.From episode 2, which is as far as I've gotten:
Like Potatochobit; I'll be another naysayer of this show. From one episode, I garnered that it had cheap 3D CGI (see the OP; not only that, but I remember one particular background in episode 2 that looked as if they took 5-minutes to throw together some pixels in the hope of making them look like buildings; and I could count the buildings with the fingers on one hand). Normally, however, CGI or the lack of it does not make or fail a series in my opinion.
What was worse about was that it had cheesy dialogue; and you know dialogue is bad when it becomes statement of facts already obvious - throughout episode 2, I felt that no effort at all had been placed into the dialogue to make it realistic; fitting for a show that desires to have political elements. Also, it had not so subtle plot-leadings. Wow, so an accident conveniently happens. OMG they are deploying a robotic arm. (Woah, "surgical precision"). Hey, wait a minute. Who happens to be the only person who can show that surgical precision, even while semi-tipsy?
For a show with a space-politiking premise, I'd expect it to be much more mature. Right now, this show aspires to be what it is not. I fear that it will not be able to achieve what it is reaching out for.
the.Merines
2007-04-02, 11:06
I said about a week ago on IRC that season 1 will probably be mostly character development and plot-readying, while season 2 should be stuffed full of the political wargames. After 5 episodes, Goro is just now getting into space? Season 1 -Liftoff-'s pacing is too slow, IMO, and the sex scenes are gratuitous and unnecessary after episode 1.
After seeing episode 3, where Goro seems to have settled down with a single mother and her child, I really thought we'd see some kind of growth from him. Episode 4 was wasted, giving us little insight to Lostman's inner thoughts as it should have. And again in episode 5, Goro is back to his old ways with women. He meets a Russian stripper, uses her for a night, then returns when he runs away from his "job." And she greets him with open arms... *sigh*
Goro should've been in space by episode 3, not 6. For a show that is billed as being a realistic human drama/ future space political war jumble, the dude should get into space ASAP, not halfway through the first season!
I think that there is some politicking going on but the sexual encounters are getting in the way. It's as if the only way to introduce a female interaction with Goro or character development in Goro is thru a sexual encounter. Maybe, Goro views females only as sexual objects.
Slice of Life
2007-04-02, 17:28
I never said that people who prefer "no blood, no cursing, no skin" type of anime are "bible belt morons". How did you come to this conclusion anyway?
That's at least how I understood that. "No cursing" is quite a demand and I've never personally met anybody who was demanding something like that. It's more of a newspaper phenomenon to me. And people who do demand that normally do it on religious grounds if they bother to explain their standpoint at all.
But that's beside the point. I just wanted to extend what I said before, namely that disliking the way sexual relations are displayed in MM does not imply that you are uptight or that you call your lawyer when somebody says "fuck" on TV (Is that a better interpretation of "no skin, no cursing, no blood"?).
I made no claim regarding originality, perfection, or even that "they were created to attract only a tiny "mature" audience". :twitch: Again how did you come to all this?
That wasn't meant to refer to your remarks but to the thread in general. Especially MM being "aimed at an older male audience" and "niche adult show".
:upset: Spoilers galore!
I'm starting to wonder whether Formula + Shinshen censored the releases. In episode 1 there's about 15 seconds of very darkened sex scene. So dark that I didn't really realize what it was at first. Second episode has about 35 seconds. That includes conversation and dialog.
There is no display of genitalia.
By the arguments here it seems like it's a major issue. Or did I miss anything? :confused:
Anyway, honestly I'm more interested in other discussion.
In the prologue of episode one, Fatome Drake (the astronaut) mentioned that she's from the second mission. Lunar base has been constructed. Could this be an indication of what second season would be about?
First season is the preparation and launch of first mission. I assume it's primary objective is to build (preliminary) lunar base. Second mission is to start working on fusion reactor and helium-3 mining. Armed conflicts take place though.
We've seen (primitive) robotic arm in ep2. So armaments should be pretty advanced by the time second mission is launched.
Or it's the alien? Again. :eyespin: I hope not.
the.Merines
2007-04-02, 23:08
If you pay attention, a lot of the first episode (maybe all of it) takes place 4 years before the rest of the series. Goro and Lostman are 22-23 and finishing college. The U.S. President also noted something like "we have to finish it before the consolidation of all space programs." <-This has shades of the political stuff we've sorely missed since then. Fatoma Drake, those robots, and and those dudes were all on the moon before the ISA was formed.
The drama will come into effect when the nations that are now united under the ISA find out that they have been double-dealing behind each other's backs. I *think* (not sure at all), but if you check in episode 2, I think the president of Goro's company meets alone with some official in a Chinese-looking office. ???
And no, we didn't censor anything (except the couple lines of the bar scene that our original TL refused to translate.)
the.Merines,
Thanks for all the hard work you and everyone with Formula and Shinsen put on this. Especially for going through the "glitch". :)
Yeah I thought you wouldn't censor the releases. Very glad to get the confirmation though. Just curious what with all this arguments about sex scenes and all. Thought I might miss something. But enough of that.
I noticed that the mountain hiking is some years before Goro becomes candidate. Not sure about the accidents between Fatome Drake and the robots. BTW, they are robots right? Not soldiers with full body suit?)
Fatome mentioned about the existence of lunar base. I think it requires a significant time and resources to build a base on the moon. Pretty hard to conceal the effort don't you think? If a country starts launching dozens of shuttles or rockets to the moon, people are bound to ask questions.
About the president insisting that they should finish "it" before consolidation of space programs, I though he was refering to Internation Space Station.
This is all just my guess and speculations. Resisting the temptation to peek on the raws. :D
the.Merines
2007-04-02, 23:49
Well, keep in mind that the dark side of the moon is never seen from Earth, so it wouldn't be hard to build and conceal a base there. And I do think they are robots; if you look at a screen shot with the spacesuit-clad human along with them, you can see that their physical structure wouldn't allow a human to be inside them (look around the hips/legs especially).
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-02, 23:56
:upset: Spoilers galore!
I'm starting to wonder whether Formula + Shinshen censored the releases. In episode 1 there's about 15 seconds of very darkened sex scene. So dark that I didn't really realize what it was at first. Second episode has about 35 seconds. That includes conversation and dialog.
There is no display of genitalia.
By the arguments here it seems like it's a major issue. Or did I miss anything? :confused:
Anyway, honestly I'm more interested in other discussion.
You can't show that on regular Japanese Television as far as I know. Maybe on Satellite on Demand, but not TV. I don't even think WOWOW could get away with that. Here in Canada after a certain hour its permissible to show soft core stuff as long as it is accompanied by a viewer discretion warning, but I'm not sure if many other places allow it.
I meant the mission launches from earth. For comparison ISS requires 40 assembly flights and scheduled to be finished in 10 years. Crew complements even after completion most probably no more than 10. Won't be surprised if only around 5. It's a joint effort between USA, Russia, Japan, Canada, and Europe.
ISS should be much easier to construct than a permanent lunar base. ISA is probably founded because of the scale of the project. So I doubt that any country can somehow construct and complete a lunar base alone, especially finishing it before ISS.
Also back to my opinion/speculation, it would be very hard to conceal all this.
regarding the "it" the president refers to:
i was under the impression it had something to do with the militarization of space, which is actually a contemporary real-world hot-button issue. after forming the ISA, there would be a level of international accountability that would make it more difficult to pursue something like that on an independent level. and it very likely has something to do with the violent introduction to the series.
I wonder whether I'm missing something, but can someone give in an example of how the CG is cheap, because it looks good to me... But then it's not like I watch anime which relies a lot on CG...
Slice of Life
2007-04-07, 20:10
I wonder whether I'm missing something, but can someone give in an example of how the CG is cheap, because it looks good to me... But then it's not like I watch anime which relies a lot on CG...
The helicopters in the intro sequence are clearly recognizable as CG to start with. The surfaces are too smooth and the illumination only emphasizes that. Same for the orange-reddish crane in epsiode 02.
What I couldn't find is the gore. At least not in ep 1 and 2.
ZeusIrae
2007-04-08, 08:05
:
There is no display of genitalia.
By the arguments here it seems like it's a major issue. Or did I miss anything? :confused:
Anyway, honestly I'm more interested in other discussion.
Yes,you missed something.The argument wasn't about the sex scene.It was about the fact that in both ep1 and ep2 Goro appear completely invincible and use women as nothing more than tool.Some scenes are completely ridiculous in a show that tries to be realistic.
He's extremely matchist character and it is annoying.If he's going to be like this for the rest of the show it will be painful.
I like it anyway but this show is far from perfect for now.
From what I've seen in episode 3, it does show a slightly different side of him, at least that's what I thought about it...
I wonder whether I'm missing something, but can someone give in an example of how the CG is cheap, because it looks good to me... But then it's not like I watch anime which relies a lot on CG...
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5641/cheap1ah7.th.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cheap1ah7.jpg) http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1926/cheap2pg7.th.jpg (http://img153.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cheap2pg7.jpg)
To be honest, I was wowed by some of the scenes in the OP. CG in the episode itself didn't cut it tho. Too simple/sparse as a whole, perhaps? (The first screen above looked like random placement of buildings and cranes. I'm spoiled, but I'd expect to see more in a city's skyline.)
Yes,you missed something.The argument wasn't about the sex scene.It was about the fact that in both ep1 and ep2 Goro appear completely invincible and use women as nothing more than tool.Some scenes are completely ridiculous in a show that tries to be realistic.
He's extremely matchist character and it is annoying.If he's going to be like this for the rest of the show it will be painful.
I like it anyway but this show is far from perfect for now.
Invincible, perhaps. He failed to save that woman in ep1 but managed to save that old man in ep2. Have to wait and see more.
Goro uses women as tool? I have only watched until ep2. So far he's not that different from most men. Again, have to wait and see. Nevertheless, if it's true that doesn't really detract from the whole series for me. Flawed characters adds to the realistic feeling.
---- OOT (if mods need to delete this, I would understand) ---
The interactions of men and women in todays world is a huge topic. Some women use their beauty and yes body too to climb up the social ladder. Some men use their money and position in the ladder. Both group exploit each other.
Is this right or wrong? How do we remedy if wrong? How much is allowed? Is working as model, thus still using their body, right? Is merely smiling allowed? Where do we draw the line? It's a huge huge huge topic.
Here's a taste. Feminists protest that companies are reluctant to hire women. Companies have to take into account that maternity leaves reduce productivity and add to overhead. Women want to be treated as men. Equal career opportunity. But grumbles if men failed to open the doors for them. Women do have the same potential and ability as men though.
I'm not judging which one is right or wrong. Merely pointing out that this topic is too big for discussion here. There are too many sides and opinions.
DannoHung
2007-04-10, 09:52
I like how people are piling on Goro because he's not socially responsible.
Welcome to the concept of an anti-hero.
the.Merines
2007-04-10, 10:57
I wouldn't call Goro an anti-hero. Just like most anime, the triumphs of the main characters are what is concentrated upon. Yes, Snow White died. Yes, he is *so* good with the robotic arm that he saved his co-worker while he was buzzed. Yes, he tends to be promiscuous. There are good people in the world that do bad things/have bad habits. But Goro isn't an anti-hero, because his intentions are good, not underhanded.
As someone who naturally excels at so much, he easily becomes bored with doing the same thing. The same goes for Lostman.
Slice of Life
2007-04-10, 14:38
I like how people are piling on Goro because he's not socially responsible.
Welcome to the concept of an anti-hero.
We were at that point of the analysis already one page ago, weren't we?
But Goro isn't an anti-hero, because his intentions are good.
How so? As much as I gathered so far his intentions are 1. going to space, 2. going to space, 3. going to space, 4. having sex, 5. getting drunk.
From wikipedia:
Characteristics of the anti-hero
An anti-hero in fictional works will typically take a leading role, performing acts which might be deemed "heroic" (at least in scale and daring), but using methods, manners, or intentions that may not be so - indeed are often underhanded or deceitful.
The original meaning is that of a protagonist who is ineffectual and hapless, rather than resolute and determined, whether his motives are good or bad. In modern instances, anti-hero has come to refer to a protagonist of a work whose actions and motives are villainous or questionable.
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So in original meaning of anti hero you have Arthur Dent from Hitchikers Guide to Galaxy or any wimp male main character from anime (Shinji, Evangelion), Goro is not like them.
With modern definition, I don't see Goro a**kissing or sabotaging vehicles, kidnapping oponents as some of current real life astronauts tried.
Need to note that definition of heroic has changed from "knight in shining armor", perfect in anyway, to more Dirty Harry style.
DannoHung
2007-04-10, 19:54
We were at that point of the analysis already one page ago, weren't we?
My apologies, I arrived late.
kauldron26
2007-04-16, 10:44
I think that this anime takes place in the alternate universe where HIV, gonorrhea and chlamydia don't exist. :heh: Goro, Goro, Goro... use some protection once in a while. :nono: :heh:
I agree that this is definitely aimed at an older male audience. Prob Goro hasn't matured enough for the job at hand (sexual promiscuity is a sign of immaturity, impulsivity and poor decision making imo) and we may see that development (him actually acting more like a professional and an adult) as the series develops hopefully. Yes, these 2 are using the females, but those females are also allowing themselves to be used.
Ep. 5 was a real hoot in that department. We got to see loads of topless pole dancers and Goro has a brief interlude with one of them. But I think that Goro may have a cold spell once he gets to space station and we will get to see some character development hopefully since there's only 1 female up there and that type of professional won't be loose.
So far each of those females that got used hasn't had a great outcome. The waitress is still a waitress. The pole dancer won't ever become that ballerina. Riyoko backed the wrong guy, but she's still in the game. The lady on the carrier was totally nameless but carriers are small so she's definitely got a bad rep.
wow... this made me laugh hard. Because a guy is shown having sex with 3 - 4 women at different times is a bad thing?? how old are you?? where are you from?? and what kind of guy friends do u hang out with?? If the average high school male at the age of 17 has had sex with 2-3 girls, and the average college guy is doubling that, what do u expect to happen with a 27 yr old single male. What the fuck?? are you joking?? people have sex every single day, and because u r having sex doesnt mean ur going to get a disease. Your telling me that Goro, who has planned how he was going to work up the ladder to become an astrounaut for years and years couldnt remember to wear a condom??? I dont understand how sex, which is one of the only natural acts that we humans have left people still mean to make it look bad. And dont give me that sexism nonsense. women love sex too, because he is banging them does not mean they are not enjoying it. Feminism is about empowerment, and if everytime goro gets leid and u start bitching sexism, u are derogating the very thing women have been fighting for. The freedom to be free without judgement. A female can be loose if she wants to be, and for u to judge her sexuality is sexist. A woman has every right to bang whoever she wants without feeling wrong or judged.
WHo are these people that are now thinking that a guy who gets laid is an asshole or irresponsible?? Freud said that the only wrong sexual behavior is no sexual behavior at all. I dont midn if we have conservatives in here, everyone has a right to their own opinions and beliefs, i just cant see what is wrong with a guy who is smart, the main character and gets laid. Maybe ur too used to ur whiny, bitchy easily embarrased stereotypical anime males who blush everytime they see a girls cleavage. Now that is unrealistic. I dont know anyone like that.
ANyways i just saw episode 3, and im liking the show. I just dont understand why japanese people can never draw us black folk well. We are either drawn stereotypically with the afro and all or the big huge ass lips, and it is pissing me the fuck off. Morea was black as hell man, wtf... Look at how nicely they drew us black folk in Planet ES (Fee Carmichael) shit they drew all races in a non stereotypical way. But i must admit it was nice to see an interacial couple that does not have a white half in anime. But seriously tho, do japs have a problem with black folk?? why are we always drawn stereotypically?? Do they see us like Jim Fucking Crow??
Potatochobit
2007-04-16, 13:03
ecause a guy is shown having sex with 3 - 4 women at different times is a bad thing?? how old are you??
the better question is how old are you? oh wait i see it right there. fresh out of college are we?
nd because u r having sex doesnt mean ur going to get a disease
didnt actually study in college now did we? lets try math. 2-3 women = 2-3 more chances now does it not?
The freedom to be free without judgement.
freedom is not an excuse to do wrong. just because you can does not mean you should.
btw the average 17 yoa does not have sex with 2-3 different women. unless your in germany or japan where prostitution is legal. just kidding. I'm done teasing now.
most all asians in asia have a stereotypical view of dark skinned people. they tend to view them as comical or scary.
similarly if a white male said he was african, born in africa, most western people would initially raise an eye brow.
kauldron26
2007-04-16, 16:21
ecause a guy is shown having sex with 3 - 4 women at different times is a bad thing?? how old are you??
the better question is how old are you? oh wait i see it right there. fresh out of college are we?
nd because u r having sex doesnt mean ur going to get a disease
didnt actually study in college now did we? lets try math. 2-3 women = 2-3 more chances now does it not?
The freedom to be free without judgement.
freedom is not an excuse to do wrong. just because you can does not mean you should.
btw the average 17 yoa does not have sex with 2-3 different women. unless your in germany or japan where prostitution is legal. just kidding. I'm done teasing now.
most all asians in asia have a stereotypical view of dark skinned people. they tend to view them as comical or scary.
similarly if a white male said he was african, born in africa, most western people would initially raise an eye brow.
Well, in the U.S according to research on human sexuality and health, most not all students lose their virginity in high school, between the ages of 15 and 16. And after losing their virginity, adolescents go through a state of "binging" (oh my god sex is so good, i have to do it again and again) not in regards to eating disorders. I can provide you with journal reviews and sources if you dont believe me. I wrote my thesis on love and Sex, and have my masters in Psychology. Yes you are more likely to get a disease by having multiple partners, but that is the point of safe sex. Glad to know that in 2007, Japanese people still view us as comical and scary i guess everything that happened during the civil rights movements didnt influence or educate them. Nor the issues regarding Apartheid in South Africa or the genocide that takes place Darfur and Rwanda. We monsters are soo funny and love getting discriminated and killed. har har har. Now i want to stop watching anime.
the.Merines
2007-04-16, 22:51
It's not just black people. White Americans/Europeans always seem to be blond w/ blue eyes, big straight nose, and annoyingly headstrong. If racism bothers you, try to concentrate on other things. Like the shockingly slow pace of Moonlight Mile's plot.
Japan is about 99% homogeneous (ethnic Japanese), and of the 1% or so of foreign-born or non-Japanese minorities, the majority are other East Asians (Korean, Chinese, Taiwanese). I don't have any strict numbers, but it wouldn't surprise me if there were less than 10,000 blacks in Japan, in a country of well over 100 million. They don't "recognize" the issue of civil rights as we know it in America because they have absolutely no frame of reference for it in their daily lives and the way they interact with others. Unless they live in a very busy urban area or near a foreigner-centric neighborhood, chances are most Japanese probably never even see a black person in the flesh, much less get the chance to know them or understand them. Most of what they "know" about blacks comes the media and Western pop culture, and I'm sure nobody needs an explanation about the distorting effect of media...
It's sad, but that's life.
Slice of Life
2007-04-17, 05:39
What he said.
In anime, a black person is first of all seen as a foreigner and as such a target of negative stereotyping, as I see it, and Planetes was anything but free of it.
Real life is another issue but I don't live in Japan and I'm not willing to judge prejudices in Japan based on my own prejudices about Japan.
Negative stereotyping of foreigners (as opposed to races) is also prevalent in all forms of American media, civil rights movement or not.
Because a guy is shown having sex with 3 - 4 women at different times is a bad thing?? how old are you?? where are you from?? and what kind of guy friends do u hang out with?? If the average high school male at the age of 17 has had sex with 2-3 girls, and the average college guy is doubling that, what do u expect to happen with a 27 yr old single male. What the fuck?? are you joking??
Yeah, we got your point, you Usians have no morals and will sleep with anyone in vicinity, we hear ya.
You can't show that on regular Japanese Television as far as I know. Maybe on Satellite on Demand, but not TV. I don't even think WOWOW could get away with that. Here in Canada after a certain hour its permissible to show soft core stuff as long as it is accompanied by a viewer discretion warning, but I'm not sure if many other places allow it.
I'm somewhat surprised that no one actually corrected this comment.
I guess the law in Japan isn't a common knowledge, even within anime fan community.
It's not legal to show female genitalia outside of medical or educational context, PERIOD, in Japan.
Even on print, video mediums, and any other form of publication, regardless of it being labeled adult only or not.
That's why any "legally produced" porn in Japan have mosaic censorship.
Nightengale
2007-05-28, 04:56
I believe he was talking about on-screen sex. I don't know much about how the airing stations deal with flexibility of what can be shown on screen depending on time-slot and cable or whatever, but there were shows that had variable degrees of off-screen or on-screen sex depending on how it was protrayed, so long as it wasn't 100% hardcore stuff. Besides, isn't it a no-brainer that both male and female genitilia is illegal to be shown in Japan and pretty much 90% of all Japan pr0n material from ero to doujinshi, etc have mosaics other than certain..."sources".
I believe he was talking about on-screen sex. I don't know much about how the airing stations deal with flexibility of what can be shown on screen depending on time-slot and cable or whatever, but there were shows that had variable degrees of off-screen or on-screen sex depending on how it was protrayed, so long as it wasn't 100% hardcore stuff.
Check back a page on his reply.
He was replying to this:
I'm starting to wonder whether Formula + Shinshen censored the releases. In episode 1 there's about 15 seconds of very darkened sex scene. So dark that I didn't really realize what it was at first. Second episode has about 35 seconds. That includes conversation and dialog.
There is no display of genitalia.
That's where my explantion comes in.
On-screen, aired, published, or not. It's not legal to have it shown, period.
What he said.
In anime, a black person is first of all seen as a foreigner and as such a target of negative stereotyping, as I see it, and Planetes was anything but free of it.
Real life is another issue but I don't live in Japan and I'm not willing to judge prejudices in Japan based on my own prejudices about Japan.
Negative stereotyping of foreigners (as opposed to races) is also prevalent in all forms of American media, civil rights movement or not.
Which brings me the question of why the hell this issue is coming up in the thread for this anime, of all.
The black characters in this series is shown in a very positive light, the pilot in episode 3 is depicted as an intelligent, family loving man... not some ghetto thug wearing chains and gold. Jesus.
But i must admit it was nice to see an interacial couple that does not have a white half in anime. But seriously tho, do japs have a problem with black folk?? why are we always drawn stereotypically?? Do they see us like Jim Fucking Crow??
Not anymore than you calling us "japs", son.
I'm not offended with it, but do be careful.
If you want to point out "racist stereotypes" of others, it might help if you don't use racist remarks yourself. :rolleyes:
the.Merines
2007-07-21, 14:01
Back from the grave, this thread must come.
Just goes to show that the popularity of a fansub does not equal the possibility of licensing. Licensed by ADV... hm.
I must ask, as an inquisitive mind, does the license include the as-of-yet unaired season 2 -Touchdown-?
I must ask, as an inquisitive mind, does the license include the as-of-yet unaired season 2 -Touchdown-?
Who knows? It's not as if ADV wouldn't know of the new series since it airs in a couple of months, but unless they (ADV) made specific mention of it in the license announcement then we (AnimeSuki) would assume it's not been licensed yet. While we can all guess that it's likely that it will be licensed in due course we can't second guess what ADV plans are. But the fact that the second series is due to air so soon does make it a bit tricky to decide.
the.Merines
2007-07-21, 15:02
Thanks for explaining your position. I suppose there is a couple months for ADV to clarify the license.
Thanks for explaining your position. I suppose there is a couple months for ADV to clarify the license.
To be honest, going by previous experience (of not just ADV), I suspect we will not know until the licensed for the second season is actually announced. It's rare for a company to suggest or imply they have follow up seasons, they tend to either officially announce it or say nothing. Which makes commercial sense really, heck, the series hasn't even aired in Japan yet and they want to promote the first series themselves first of all. Too many things might happen before they go and announce they have the second season as well.
strategos
2007-07-21, 17:52
Well... ADV wouldnt want to repeat the same mistake they made with Samurai Gun, was it? They took the liscense way before it was ever produce. And when it hit the streets @ USA it was never a bit. And they blamed the Fansuber because of it, when not a single group ever dare to touch that series.
strategos
2007-08-07, 17:15
WoW...
Just finished to watch this series. I got to say am impress.
It always had me on the edge of " what might happend next"
Indeed is a series worth getting on DvD.
Wonder if they are going to release a poster or wallscroll in the first dvd release?
Am still doubt thou; the first event, before the opening, in the first episode was years ahead of what is happening in the first season?
ipernorris
2007-08-25, 13:01
Who is the girl at the ending of the OP? I don't recall seeing her in the first season.
the.Merines
2007-08-25, 13:05
You're right, she wasn't in the first season. Dunno why she was in the OP when she didn't even make an appearance... >.<
ipernorris
2007-08-25, 13:55
You're right, she wasn't in the first season. Dunno why she was in the OP when she didn't even make an appearance... >.<
Ok it's like I thought then: she will appear in the second season. Perhaps she will be from chinese military... in episode 11 the american politician guy whined about China launching things in space saying the space belongs to US and other crap like this.
In the op there are fighting sequences on the Moon as well, so those are all scenes which will happen in second season. I'm looking forward it! :)
PS But can astronauts have sex on the IIS? :confused:
strategos
2007-08-30, 19:04
WOW! Spoilers LOL!...
I though the girl in the end of the op was "snow white" XD.
I was talking about the women that got shot in the first episode before the op ^^.
Thats way ahead as well too, right?
BTW, is the manga liscense or are there any scans able?
WOOT, Secod Season comming in just few more weeks!
Cant wait ^_^!
the.Merines
2007-08-30, 19:27
The manga is unlicensed and remains un-scanlated afaik.
strategos
2007-09-02, 21:17
Thats too bad, that the manga is unliscense T.T
the.Merines
2007-09-04, 11:10
Well, considering the manga was written for middle-aged men... Think: how many Western, middle-aged men do you see buying/reading manga? (forum-goers excluded of course ^^ ) It'd be a waste of money for any North American mangaholder to license and release it.
strategos
2007-09-04, 16:42
Are there any scanlators for this manga?
Am very interested in this whole story ^_^.
Second Season is comming next week, no?
Cant wait ^^.
stormy001_M1A2
2007-09-05, 22:28
Yay! Shitloads of sex scenes. Wohoo!
strategos
2007-09-10, 20:16
Woot, few more days for a new season from moonlight mile!!
Cant wait!
kauldron26
2007-09-12, 18:25
i just looked at the fall previews… looks like im only picking up one show: moonlight mile second season. all the others look like loli/moe crap. why is moonlight mile good?? because there are no kids, no brats, no loli, no moe, no superpowers, no annoying characters, no overly optimistic boys. its a show with all adults for adults with an adult story.
stormy001_M1A2
2007-09-12, 19:44
Amen to that.
strategos
2007-09-13, 22:56
Is the second season consider liscense?
In the anime news network there is no info of being liscense.
And I was searching for more info on other sites and it seems it was the first season that got liscense.
This series is awesome. Am planning on getting the Dvds, of first season, when it gets out!
This series is worth a lot.
Episode 1 of the new season has been release today!
Cant wait to see it !
lightbringer
2007-09-14, 17:11
PS But can astronauts have sex on the IIS? :confused:
The answer to that one is: Probably. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14002908/) More interesting are the negative implications on pregnancy in low-gravity environments.
strategos
2007-09-17, 21:10
Will the second season be consider as liscense?
I've been looking in AnimeNews Netowk and other sites and it only shows as the first season consider as license not the second season.
sorry for the question.
Moonlight Mile 2nd Season -Touch Down- (TV) http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=8236
Moonlight Mile (TV)- http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=7383
SGT.Mitsuki
2007-10-23, 09:56
Check back a page on his reply.
He was replying to this:
That's where my explantion comes in.
On-screen, aired, published, or not. It's not legal to have it shown, period.
Which brings me the question of why the hell this issue is coming up in the thread for this anime, of all.
The black characters in this series is shown in a very positive light, the pilot in episode 3 is depicted as an intelligent, family loving man... not some ghetto thug wearing chains and gold. Jesus.
Not anymore than you calling us "japs", son.
I'm not offended with it, but do be careful.
If you want to point out "racist stereotypes" of others, it might help if you don't use racist remarks yourself. :rolleyes:
go boy :D! *cheers*
*to the person whinin about how black people get discriminated in anime n stuff*
ok i know it frustrates u but hey, no 1 can help it that u feel discriminated and pointed at when u see or hear something.
(besides i thought it was an african decendant and not black that african decendant people were called officialy, i mean hey i heard alot of people whining on the internet b4 about how "white people" call african decendants "black people" but hey if u refer to urselfs as "black people" then so can we,
i mean hey its the same as with other stuff ya know, just that u find something offencive doesnt mean it is offencive
i mean, like some 1 mentioned b4, europeans always get drawn with blond hair, blue eyes and a big nose too right?
do we care ? nah....
oh n btw tha fact that u refer to japanese people as japs doesnt do ur statement much good either like the person i qouted mentioned :)
(anyways i like japanese people, n japanese things alot, yes i know u might think sometimes that stuff are meant offencive but thats not always the case, i mean every person is an individual, n if i say something like, that i always experience japanese people to be very smart and well mannered people, u can see it as 2 things, Possibility1= im saying their huge nerds that are realy submessive or Possibility 2= im saying that i find them the perfect example of how a person should be, and am realy fond of them) (obviously i meant it the possitive way, which was possibility 2) (get wa i mean ? things are always wat u make them out to be) (so if i draw a african decendant, it doesnt mean im putting em in a dark spotlight : p)
Well... ADV wouldnt want to repeat the same mistake they made with Samurai Gun, was it? They took the liscense way before it was ever produce. And when it hit the streets @ USA it was never a bit. And they blamed the Fansuber because of it, when not a single group ever dare to touch that series.
still i think it sucks that less n less groups dare to touch anime these days.....
i mean look at it, 5 eps out now of touchdown and still no fansubs....
people really need to get to their senses that without fansubs,
anime abroad is not possible, couse fansubs give the taste of that anime to those people abroad :D which in return means mouth to mouth publicity of the anime :)
for example, i like anime, but im the worst otaku of a kind ^^
i never bought my anime that i saw... why ?
well, first of all the country i live in doesnt realy support anime if ya ask me,
so theres no where where i could buy it or so little locations that i dont even feel like checking em out
another thing is KANE (money),
im like wa a 16 year old which lives in a broken up family and live with just my mum,
well ya know how that goes, problems paying the bills n stuff,
like hell i could afford an anime on dvd, not to mention that holland never sends out any anime these days :/ think it kinda stopped afther pokemon.....
but theres 1 thing people dont count in here, if i like an anime i tell it on like, hey did u see that n that anime, its realy good, which provides mouth to mouth publicity for the anime, making it populair since those people will probably do the same.
that mouth to mouth publicity might seem nothing but in fact without mouth to mouth publicity a company cannot exist ;)
so wa happened to samurai gun in my opinion is that, since it got licensed to soon and never got fansubbed it never had the mouth to mouth publicity and will give people that idea of: oh some noname anime ive never heard of, probly sux, hey look theres .... *name of an other anime* lets see how much they ask :D
added in the Edit:
oh btw i read somewhere on shinsen subs their forums that they knew of 1 group looking for staff to cover touchdown but it dint mention which group so...
think they needed a translater....
anyways if yer interested id recommend askins some blokes at shinsen subs for a way of contacting those guys
strategos
2007-10-24, 15:20
I really hope the second season get fansubed.
My question is still there.
There has been many series that had more than one season.
Full Metal Panic, Initial D, Jungle wa Itsumo Hale nochi Gu, .hack series and many other series.
All of this series had a second name after the original name from their first season.
For this series it has Moonlight Mile (TV): Lift Off.
The new season name is: Moonlight Mile 2nd Season -Touch Down
In the Anime New Network it doesnt appear as liscense, as well like the third and final season of Jungle wa Itsumo Hale nochi Gu.
So, can this second season be consider liscense?
On to another question *lol*
Has the manga of this series is over?
If it not, seems like this series is going to mutiple seasons ^^.
When first season hits the streets, am getting it. It a really good series.
Edit:Sometimes I think this company have a misunderstanding of fansubing. As if they were the ones ripping of their DVD's with dual audio and subs and putting it into torrents. If it were for fansubs, I think most of the series that are very popular today, like Naruto, wouldnt be a hit like they are now if it werent that fansubs presented this to us the fans. And if the fans liked the series, they will show the support for the series when it hits the streets. ^^.
the.Merines
2007-10-24, 15:31
I consider the "second season" licensed, because it is a "second season" in title only. -Touch down- is a direct continuation of -Lift off-. -Lift off- is not an end, nor does it provide any closure. They are one complete, whole story, and they go together as one unit. They were produced together. Heck, most of the scenes from -Lift off-'s OP are from -Touch down-.
Back when the series was announced, it was made known that there would be 26 episodes, split into 2 parts. They are titled 1st and 2nd Season by the production team. Who knows their reasoning. However, until ADV says "we only have 1-12 licensed," I consider 1-26 under their ownership.
Tri-ring
2007-10-26, 08:18
Today in the Daily Yomiuri(JP version) there was an article concerning the PRC probe to the moon writing about their ambitions to obtain Helium3 and that their rocket technology is directly connected to their missle development.
Am I just overreacting or is this program predicting the event to forthcome?
I just hope it does not slide all the ways to the point where Planetes become a prediction of the future as well.
SGT.Mitsuki
2007-10-26, 11:30
Today in the Daily Yomiuri(JP version) there was an article concerning the PRC probe to the moon writing about their ambitions to obtain Helium3 and that their rocket technology is directly connected to their missle development.
Am I just overreacting or is this program predicting the event to forthcome?
I just hope it does not slide all the ways to the point where Planetes become a prediction of the future as well.
il tell ya one thing, mankind already has the technology to live on mars ;)
but its kinda like this: if u see something in for example a james bond film, then go u can count on it that watcha see has already been invented 10 years earlier.
besides we got 3d televisions and tv's as think as a poster that are sold per squere meter, flying cars and combat drones already too, not to mention the fact that some smart heads in britain developed the technology that u can just go onto internet with your thoughts n read n watch n listen stuff that u access !
and americans are the source of all UFO's too, its not a coincidence all sightings are near us bases or in america :/, not to forget stuff like long range electrical disposals too...
the ufo's n electrical stuff were made by nicola tesla, a croatian sientist who afther he discovered that got a job offered in the states, and it is known that nicola tesla could make dishes fload with magnetic fields, and lots lots more ^^
why u think that ufo's are always said to be round : p?
Mits~ (likes philosophy, science and highly intelectual conversations :D)
strategos
2007-11-28, 23:17
WoW... the series is comming to a closure.
One more episode and the series is over for the moment.
Tri-ring
2007-11-28, 23:24
WoW... the series is comming to a closure.
One more episode and the series is over for the moment.
I think they have plans to make 14 episodes for season two, last titled "My Sweet Home" and from the opening title scenes I think they have an option for season three since there is no way they can fit the construction of moon base arc in three episodes.
CessBlue
2007-11-28, 23:35
Won't somebody pick up the fansubbing for the second season? Pretty please?
kauldron26
2007-11-28, 23:42
unfortunately people would rather have crap like gundam00 and clannad subbed... we'll just have to wait and wait. i was hoping makoto might pick it up, but it doesnt seem so. same shit happened with FLAG. atleast we got the first season of both shows. i wish subbers would give us some more adult shows and less moe crap. i still cant believe how lucky we are that baccano got subbed which was incredible, props to AYU for that. i guess there is still some hope for taste.
strategos
2007-12-01, 01:09
Yeah, its too bad it hasnt been notice by fansubbers this good series. :(.
Still, new season is it comming?
Are there any scanlation for the manga?
Tri-ring
2007-12-01, 20:48
Yeah, its too bad it hasnt been notice by fansubbers this good series. :(.
Still, new season is it comming?
Are there any scanlation for the manga?
Can't say for sure but the opening credits for season two does suggests a possibility since some of the scenes are beyond the scope of season two such as Ryoko bearing a child.
The manga is in hiatus presently after Goro goes to moonbase using an out dated Japanese H2 rocket against US's demand, to show that Japan still have ambitions to develop it's own space vehicle, to meet Ryoko who have given birth to the first space child.
During his trip to the moon he meets up with lostman and discusses their personal reason why they chose their specific route to space which is interesting and I believe it was a hidden message to inspire readers who dreams of going to space from the author.
strategos
2007-12-02, 14:39
WoW. from the spoiler the story keeps getting better and better ^_^.
Are there any scalations of the manga? Any group doing it now ^_^?
Man, this series is so awesome.
100 times better than any other series I've been watching.
strategos
2007-12-02, 16:02
Is there any date for the First DVD release?
Wish they put a model of the Space station in the first Box Collection of this series :)
the.Merines
2007-12-02, 16:13
According to TRSI, DVD1 should be out on February 19th. Of course, it could be pushed back, so don't put too much stock in this information.
strategos
2007-12-02, 22:23
I see. Cant wait for the first DVD ^.^
This is a series that is worth getting on DVD
100 times more than naruto =P
Tri-ring
2007-12-03, 07:50
If you check the timeline with some of the events that takes place within this anime you'll find that the author, Otagaki had predicted some provocative parallel within his storytelling.
One is 2nd gulf war.
Moonlight mile started it's serialization in 2000, 3 years before the US made advance into Iraq where lostman was shot down and caught by his enemy.
The ever rising price of oil
Of course this was not that had to predict but neverless the story talks that it was one of the reason why man vasted out to the moon to obtain Helium3 as an energy source in the first place.
China's ambitions into space
This is one of the most intriguing part with parallels with present day events, with PRC sending sending probes to the moon and/or their manned space mission obviously presenting their own ambitions.
I wonder what will be next?
strategos
2007-12-03, 15:16
Well, the International Space Station will be soon be completed in a couple of years.
So, this guy is the Nostradamus of Japa ^_~?
Still, this is why I love this series; it got more or less realistic moments.
"Doesnt China know? Space belongs to the USA."
Heh, in a sense is true. Because USA was the first to, in a sense of a way, to colonize the moon. But it was Russia to ever sent a living thing to Space First ^_^.
strategos
2007-12-03, 15:37
Hmm, found an interesting Video @ Youtube.
ITs the trailer for Moonlight Mile for ADV.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTKJWEEGtvk
They only shows the scens from episodes 1-12.(Possibly the only season they got liscense, who knows)
First season.
I've marked the Date on the Calendar. Feb, 19 2008.
And Adding that this interest on this anime wouldnt have been able if it werent because of the great fansubers that subbed this anime on theire free times. Fans working for Fans, Thank You Fansubers ^_^.
Cogwheim
2007-12-03, 18:13
Anybody know if the title "Moonlight Mile" might have been chosen for the manga with the Rolling Stones song of the same name in mind? It's one of my favorite Stones songs, mind you.
strategos
2007-12-18, 13:33
Noticed something interesting.
The episode that we think as episode 13 after the first season. Its name episode 01.
I think the best thing in this show is the sex hehehe! goro and the Russian blonde was a pretty sex scene for a non hentai! wow so gorou puts a bun inside Riyoko's oven, I guess maggie lost the race.
strategos
2007-12-20, 21:04
Seems like the final episode of the season has been release ^_^.
Saw the first episode of the 2nd season, it was well done now if they would only tone down the sex and improve the character design I might actually rate this show a lot higher.
SuperKnuckles
2008-01-17, 06:45
Saw the first episode of the 2nd season, it was well done now if they would only tone down the sex and improve the character design I might actually rate this show a lot higher.
The sex thing has been toned down for a bit for the first ep and I've grown used to the chara designs.
I had a lot more fun watching season 2 than I thought. And I'm having naughty thoughts about that newsgirl :heh:
FINNALY someone has started doing season two :D
mastertrx
2008-01-24, 17:18
Saw the first episode of the 2nd season, it was well done now if they would only tone down the sex and improve the character design I might actually rate this show a lot higher.
With the flood of asexual titles hostile to masculinity available in the West, a sex-charged and manly story about the conquest of the final frontier is a refreshing a change. Moonlight Mile's chief appeal is it makes no apologies about having two protagonists who are openly heterosexual, gruff, crude and curt with their feelings--in short, pretty dead on for real life adventurers. What's wrong with that?
strategos
2008-02-18, 18:59
Well, tomorow is the big day. Moonlight mile on DVD is comming out ^_^. YEY. Second volumen seems to have and artbook. So, with all the ADV problems recently, is the day for moonlight mile still on?
Siegel Clyne
2008-02-19, 06:55
With ADV problems with titles licensed under Sojitz, it appears that Amazon, Right Stuf, Robert's Anime Corner Store, et al. do not have Moonlight Mile Vol. 1 in stock. Nor, for that matter, any other Sojitz licensed ADV title with a release date of February 19, 2008 in stock.
strategos
2008-02-19, 19:19
NO!!!, so when will this problem be resolve?
NO!!!, so when will this problem be resolve?
hehehe! glad I watched the show as it came out! :P
strategos
2008-02-22, 17:48
So, in a sense this series can't be consider liscense yet till everything is solve?
the.Merines
2008-02-22, 17:49
In the same sense, it can't be considered not licensed.
strategos
2008-02-23, 22:30
Its been 4 days, and still no release T_T. I really wanted to buy the 1st season release of this series on DVD. Its really worth the buy.
Siegel Clyne
2008-02-28, 05:44
ADV Announces New Dates for Delayed Anime Releases (Updated) - Anime News Network (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-02-26/adv-announces-dates-for-releases)
ADV has not provided an official explanation as to why these titles were delayed. The following is an excerpt from Bailiff's message:
As you know, a number of recent releases have been delayed. Here are new ship dates for those titles:
2/26/08
Project Blue Earth SOS vol. 1
Kanon vol. 2
Kanon vol. 2 + Collectors Box
Kurau: Phantom Memory vol. 6
Moonlight Mile vol. 1
Tokyo Majin vol. 2
Tokyo Majin vol. 2 + Collectors Box
Welcome to the NHK vol. 3
Pumpkin Scissors vol. 3
The Wallflower vol. 2
The Wallflower vol. 2 + Collectors Box
3/4/08
5 Centimeters Per Second
Kanon vol. 3
Ah! My Goddess: Flights of Fancy vol. 6
Red Garden vol. 4
3/11/08
Project Blue Earth SOS vol. 2
Project Blue Earth SOS vol. 2 + Collectors Box
Venus Versus Virus vol. 3
3/18/08
Moonlight Mile vol. 2
Moonlight Mile vol. 2 + Collectors Box
We apologize for any inconvenience.
ADV Comments on Relisted Titles, New Release Schedule - Anime News Network (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-02-27/adv-comments-on-removed-titles-new-release-schedule)
strategos
2008-03-06, 18:02
Woot, just saw that the first volume is out!!!
Going to buy soon then
Cant wait for volume 2, it will have an artbook :D
strategos
2008-07-15, 23:02
Has anyone seen this list: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-07-04/funimation-picks-up-over-30-former-ad-vision-titles
Seems like Moonlight mile now belongs to FUnimation O_O?
strategos
2008-09-02, 20:27
Has there been any information on the second season? HAs it been liscense yet? I've been checking ANN and there havent been any info on its license yet :(.
strategos
2008-10-07, 21:43
Well it has been more than a year since this series got liscense. It is a great series and it deserves to be liscense. But, has there been any word on the second season? Can it be consider that it's not liscense after more than a year? Anime NEws Network hasnt posted any new info on the 2nd season of Moonlight mile. Seems like ADV didnt bought the second season. http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=8236
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