Iphone

[Terrestrial Dream]

http://www.forbes.com/2007/01/09/apple-ipod-macword-tech-media-cx_de_0109ces-iphone.html?boxes=custom
It seems that apple had released an Ipod with wider screen and internet combine with cell phone, time to go and buy those apples stock for me I think
http://bp2.blogger.com/_j4rhAToBMlE/RaQkF8HJBTI/AAAAAAAAAFE/Cyz4NbtXQvA/s320/iphone_050.jpg

[psycho bolt]

Looks cool, I don't have a ipod yet.

[kayos]

Uh... that's not an Ipod, it's suppose to be a phone with mp3s, Internet access and all those other gizmo's that would come with cellphone/pda nowadays. That's why it's called Iphone.

You were just wording it backward.

[Fome]

Uh... that's not an Ipod, it's suppose to be a phone with mp3s, Internet access and all those other gizmo's that would come with cellphone/pda nowadays. That's why it's called Iphone.

You were just wording it backward.

Steve Jobs was actually referring to it as the successor to Ipod, which is why people have been calling it that. Although it only has 8 gigabyte capacity currently, I'm certain that future generations will carry enough memory to make it a true evolution of the ipod.

[Aoie_Emesai]

Worthless just like the Ipod. It's just convenience. It's great to have an Ipod, but overall it's just material. (it's quite useful for a external storage though ^_^)

[Fome]

Worthless just like the Ipod. It's just convenience. It's great to have an Ipod, but overall it's just material. (it's quite useful for a external storage though ^_^)

Well, it's not the same as a warm home, loving family, or a soulmate, but as far as material possessions go, the Ipod is hardly worthless.

[Gundam Zero Force]

WHAT NEXT??

an Icar??? or and Itv, Ioven, Imicrowave, Ibook . . . . I tell you they could just about make anything and add an ipod music player too it . . . . lol

how bout' an ILanmower???? lol . . . stupid idea I know . . . .

[kayos]

actually apple did release something like appletv, i may be wrong but i'm too lazy to go to the apple site

Iphone is a I"phone" call it what it is, the name says it all. If it was the next evolution of Ipod it would be the 6th gen Ipod. Sure it has the capabilities of an ipod but like I said before they're trying to compete with the smartphones and pdas.


“We knew we had an opportunity to entirely reinvent the phone,” said Greg Joswiak, Apple’s vice president

[Catgirls]

Cisco files infringement suit against Apple over iPhone

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch (http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7B3C3C5C85%2D43E7%2D45A7%2D91B5%2 D7FC32D3880E5%7D&dateid=39092%2E7481000579%2D886923965&siteid=mktw)) -- Cisco Systems Inc, late Wednesday said it has filed a lawsuit in the United States District Court for the Northern District of California against Apple Inc. seeking to prevent Apple from using the iPhone trademark. Cisco said it obtained the iPhone trademark in 2000 after acquiring Infogear. Cisco said Infogear's original filing for the trademark was on March 20, 1996. "There is no doubt that Apple's new phone is very exciting, but they should not be using our trademark without our permission," said Mark Chandler, Cisco's senior vice president and general counsel, in a statement.D'oh! actually apple did release something like appletv, i may be wrong but i'm too lazy to go to the apple siteEngadget has an excellent write up about it.

Apple to release iTV video streaming box in 2007 (http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/12/apple-to-release-itv-video-streaming-box-in-2007/)

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7565/dsc0993db8.jpg

In an unusual turn of events, Apple has pre-announced a wireless video streaming set-top box to be released in Q1 2007 with the tag line "you can take content to your computer or iPod, but now... TV." Going by the codeword of iTV, the box looks like a flattened Mac mini -- apparently it's around half the height -- and features a built-in power supply, USB 2.0, Ethernet, 802.11 "wireless component video", optical audio and HDMI ports, plus regular ol' RCA stereo audio ports. Controllable by the standard Apple remote, the iTV will come with an updated version of the Front Row interface that shares Front Row's smooth 3D graphics, but differs in that it has a menu on the right side of the screen. Apparently it'll work with both iTunes on both PCs and Macs, and will sell for $299.

[shuusaku]

quite cool... but i need my cellphone only to wake me up in the morning, so a iphone would be a bit exaggerated ;D

[Shay]

Ok... It is a phone that plays Mp3s, has internet, and a camera, right? Hmmm, but I already have a phone that does all that. And it works perfectly fine. (Sony Ericsson w810i)

But even so, I still want one. Weird…

[JanthraX^]

looks very very sleek and stylish but it will truly shine (SHINE!!!!) if it does the all things, stated, well.

The iTv might get a name change for the UK

[guest]

Is this thing really useful? I have very easy access to computers both at home and at work. What iPhone can do, my computers can do better. What is the point of buying something like I already had, not to mention it is more expensive than a cell phone, which is sufficient for me?

I think people who need to be online and/or listening to music, including all the functions of iPhone so far, "a lot" already have easy access to computers. If not, they have figured out something already. They don't need this small gadget to do something that is inferior to computers.

Just read through this thread, which I assume that most people here use computers ranging from "at least some to all the time everyday," we see that people don't really need to use something to get online etc., much, other than using a computer.

As for people who use computers occasually, they don't need iPhone. They only need a cell phone. So does this thing, iPhone, really have market value, not to mention it is not that user-friendly for PC users?

[Jinto]

Is this thing really useful? I have very easy access to computers both at home and at work. What iPhone can do, my computers can do better. What is the point of buying something like I already have, not to mention it is more expensive than a cell phone, which is sufficient for me?

Imo true Apple-addicts won't care about usability, they will fall for the clever organized marketing strategies... even this thread - you could regard as viral advertisment. Another important factor is the herd instinct of people, which will trigger the fast-selling item mode, when the item is popular enough.
Nah, I don't care, if it makes people happy, it has some sort of usability after all (providing happiness) :D

edit: maybe I am just wrong, but I think a touch screen looks very ugly (and refuses to work proberly) given enough usage or time in the pocket ^^'

[Gundam Zero Force]

I still use my Ipod mini . . . . . I so no reason to go waste more money when I already have a perfectly fine working Ipod . . . . if my mine were to break then I would buy a more updated one . . .but for now I don't need a new thing .. . . .

[Theowne]

Ok... It is a phone that plays Mp3s, has internet, and a camera, right? Hmmm, but I already have a phone that does all that. And it works perfectly fine. (Sony Ericsson w810i)

I think the Apple phone is different then most phones we have seen. To say this is some kind of scam or Apple marketing conspiracy...well.....personally, I think it's just a neat little product. The entire thing is a touch screen, the movements between sections are seamless, the picture navigation using fingers, website navigation, zooming, taking calls, merging calls, just a lot of it is just leaps beyond what I use as a regular phone. A lot of companies just pump out new versions of the same tired design, and I'm applauding Apple for taking a new direction. That's basically what this phone is. It takes already existing technology and applies a vastly different interface and design.

If my parents or even some friends saw this thing in a movie, they would complain that the movie is unrealistic.

http://blog.sciam.com/media/dsc_0182.jpg

[Vexx]

Ok... It is a phone that plays Mp3s, has internet, and a camera, right? Hmmm, but I already have a phone that does all that. And it works perfectly fine. (Sony Ericsson w810i)

But even so, I still want one. Weird…

Nice move for Apple (overdue actually) but I also have a w810i which does all those things ... and I'm *really* not a fan of touchscreens or strokepads -- I want buttons that click so I don't freaking have to look at them (touchtype, eh?)... so for me the w810i is more of a win.

News reports at 11.. more people killing themselves with iPhones -- using them while driving or walking into streets or in front of trains.

[killmoms]

The multi-touch interface is fucking brilliant.

I will be switching to Cingular just to get this phone.

[kayos]

I'd rather get a ds lite instead of an iphone. At least with a ds lite I'll have some fun instead of just blankly looking at a new technology that will be outdated in about a year or two. Then again... so will the ds lite maybe.

[reflection]

Wow, after viewing those flash demo vids at the Apple site...this thing is amazing. Love the interface. Seems to me like a Mac experience for a lot lower price tag(yay). Maybe the cool kids' version of Blackberry/pearl? Hehe :p

[onepiecelover]

People are so hyped about this phone in like every place I go O_O and it would be wrong to say I am not :P I want to buy this but its going to be too expensive to buy :(

[Loniat]

As always, the little things will decide the success of this in the market (well, maybe not for apple fans :rolleyes: ). I would like to see what kind of battery this thing uses. Is it like the Ipod baterry? If it is, then no thank you very much.

[Vexx]

Personally I think Darwinism will solve this ... everyone with their head down poking at a no-tactile-feedback touchscreen will be dying in horrible accidents while alternative solution button pushers will thrive and multiply :) :)

[Maxon]

I would like to see what kind of battery this thing uses. Is it like the Ipod baterry? If it is, then no thank you very much.
That's a good point. Chances are I won't get it anyway, but if I was to get it, that would be the main factor.

[SeijiSensei]

I'm puzzled by the amount of hype this device is getting. I'm in the market for a new cell phone and have been browsing the alternatives. There a quite a number of phones with mp3 capabilities like Sony Ericsson mentioned here, the Samsung Sync, and some new RAZRs. I don't really care for touch screens; they usually have targets that are hard to hit with my sized fingers. I've also observed they get less sensitive over time, but that might just be a comment about the types of touch screens I encounter, like the payment devices in supermarkets.

I'm pretty surprised Apple's IP attorneys couldn't find the Infogear/Cisco trademark in advance of the release of this device. Maybe they'll just pay Cisco off and be done with it?

On a related note, RIM is suing Samsung over its new "BlackJack" PDA saying its an infringement on the RIM "BlackBerry" trademark. Does RIM now think that they own the entire gamut of English two-word phrases beginning with black? I thought about buying the BlackJack, but the keys are just too damn small. I knew it wouldn't take long before I found using the device annoying. I have a friend who just purchased a BlackBerry Pearl which is really pretty,

http://www.blackberrypearl.com/assets/images/gallery9_med.jpg (http://business.cingular.com/businesscenter/blackberry_pearl/)

but again too small for me.

What I'd really like to see is a small computer that can run Linux in a form factor about the same size as the BlackJack or the iPhone. Cingular offers a rather nice device (the 8525) that has a slide top which reveals a QWERTY keyboard in the bottom half. You get a longer keyboard, and the screen switches to the landscape mode when this is in use. Unfortunately it only runs Windows Mobile, and I don't really want to pay all those licensing fees to Microsoft for Windows and the Mobile Office applications loaded on this phone. (Nor do I intend to return to the world of Windows, either, if I can help it.) Sadly, I don't see much, if any, pressure to make mobile devices a more open platform. If anything, they're going in the opposite direction.

[Spectacular_Insanity]

It's a pointless product. I think they're fresh out of ideas, or they wouldn't bother producing such an inane item for suckers--- uh, I mean consumers.

[Kyuusai]

Regarding the Cisco use of the iPhone name: Apple has been negotiating with Cisco for the iPhone name for a while, and they to the point of finalizing the contract right the week before the announcement. Either the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing at Cisco, or they're upset that Apple jumped the gun with the name.

Personally, I love everything I've seen EXEPT the lack of tactile input. I'm a touch typist and touch dialer. When my old phone broke, the least-crappy phone I could find was a RAZR, and the buttons on it pretty much ended my eye-less phone operation, anyway. The total loss of non-visual operation is a compromise I'm willing to make, though, for video iPod/PDA functionality in a phone that's the size of a closed RAZR--even thinner, actually.

Personally, I think it's an EXCELLENT product. I have never, EVER seen a phone with a truly good interface and technology beyond Series 40. Now, Apple is not only bringing us a good one, but they're bringing us something years ahead of anything on the market.

[killmoms]

Personally, I love everything I've seen EXEPT the lack of tactile input. I'm a touch typist and touch dialer. When my old phone broke, the least-crappy phone I could find was a RAZR, and the buttons on it pretty much ended my eye-less phone operation, anyway. The total loss of non-visual operation is a compromise I'm willing to make, though, for video iPod/PDA functionality in a phone that's the size of a closed RAZR--even thinner, actually.

Just so you know, it's more like a slightly taller full-size iPod, in terms of size, so bigger than a closed RAZR, though yes, thinner. If it was that small the screen would be unreadable at such a high resolution.

Also, Cingular and Apple have both already said that this is only the first of what will be several different sorts of iPhones. AKA, this is probably the flagship, high-end luxury phone. Much like the first iPod, which was $500 for 5GB of space and much larger and clunkier than today's iPods, the iPhone can only get better and cheaper, and will probably expand to two or three models, likely in the "slimmed down" direction. This is just the beginning of a whole new product line.

Also, I love that people are freaking out about the touch-input. I'd bet my bottom dollar that this will have voice activated dialing just like any other decent phone on the market today—it's running OS X (albeit a slimmed down version), so support for some form of VoiceOver will almost certainly exist in the iPhone as well. Meaning, you wouldn't even need to turn on the screen, probably just unlock it and say "Call John Smith, mobile" and it's dialing. With the Bluetooth earpiece (or the headphones/earpiece combo it comes with), you can leave the phone in your backpack or pocket and just push a button to answer if someone's calling you. The touch-interface is brilliant for when you need to interact with the device, but it won't be mandatory just to answer calls or dial.

[SeijiSensei]

Apple comes out swinging...

From this article (http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2082537,00.asp) in eWeek:

Apple on Jan. 11 was nonplussed about the legal threat.

"We think the Cisco lawsuit is just silly, because a number of other VOIP companies are already using the name iPhone," Natalie Kerris, Apple's director of music public relations, told eWEEK.

"We contend that their United States trademark is tenuous at best, because we see it as a generic term. We are also the first company to name a cell phone as the iPhone. If Cisco wants to challenge us on it, we're confident we'll prevail."

Later in the article a Cisco spokesperson say that Apple approached them multiple times over the past five years to obtain the iPhone trademark, suggesting they always recognized Cisco's ownership of the name. A third-party observer noted that if Apple wants to claim that "iPhone" is a generic term, then maybe we'll see a Motorola iPhone as well.

Lots of fun in this one, methinks.

[Vexx]

Also, I love that people are freaking out about the touch-input. I'd bet my bottom dollar that this will have voice activated dialing just like any other decent phone on the market today—it's running OS X (albeit a slimmed down version), so support for some form of VoiceOver will almost certainly exist in the iPhone as well. Meaning, you wouldn't even need to turn on the screen, probably just unlock it and say "Call John Smith, mobile" and it's dialing. With the Bluetooth earpiece (or the headphones/earpiece combo it comes with), you can leave the phone in your backpack or pocket and just push a button to answer if someone's calling you. The touch-interface is brilliant for when you need to interact with the device, but it won't be mandatory just to answer calls or dial.

Not "freaking out" so much as voice control doesn't really appeal to me...
(queue Dilbert image of people talking to nothing, wiggling their fingers, and having jerky eye movements as they blunder down the street "connected" :) ...).
Voice control also means people around me (who are already a bit annoyed at people who express their personal problems loudly to small boxes) now get to hear *whom* I'm calling unless I code all their names as for example "Call Spunky Ferret, mobile" ... now that might be fun if they have to listen to me babble...

I'm playing with voice control on my w810i .... like testing ... how well does it work with ambient noises (like loud music or industrial sounds).

And does the voice control work on selecting music?

[killmoms]

Not "freaking out" so much as voice control doesn't really appeal to me...
(queue Dilbert image of people talking to nothing, wiggling their fingers, and having jerky eye movements as they blunder down the street "connected" :) ...).
Voice control also means people around me (who are already a bit annoyed at people who express their personal problems loudly to small boxes) now get to hear *whom* I'm calling unless I code all their names as for example "Call Spunky Ferret, mobile" ... now that might be fun if they have to listen to me babble...

I'm playing with voice control on my w810i .... like testing ... how well does it work with ambient noises (like loud music or industrial sounds).

And does the voice control work on selecting music?
Apparently there isn't any voice control at the moment. I have a feeling it will be added though, at least for dialing. Not that you have to speak loudly either. I've never understood people who talk really loudly into cell phones. It's like... it's next to your mouth. You can talk quietly and they'll hear you fine.

[the-idiot-otaku]

it looks and sounds great but there soon going to be accessible only when signing up for a contract plan T_T

[Ending]

Yes, it looks good. And yes, it might work well too, but I wouldn't buy it before testing. If I were to buy a 400+ € phone at all, since Nokia's phones start from less than 100 €. Bought 6060 a little while ago and it does the job well. For music, standard Mp3-players start from similar prices, so it would still be less than 200 €.

Have to admit, though, that it *does* look interesting.

[Mueti]

I don't quite get why everyone gets so worked up about this. Nice design, sure, but so what?
But then, I've never been into cellphones much, calling, recieving calls and sending sms are all the features I need and I got a seperate mp3-player anyway.

[raikage]

WHAT NEXT??

an Icar??? or and Itv, Ioven, Imicrowave, Ibook . . . . I tell you they could just about make anything and add an ipod music player too it . . . . lol

how bout' an ILanmower???? lol . . . stupid idea I know . . . .

Well, if you follow what's happening over in Asia, TV/video on your cell phone will be the Next Big Thing.

Integrating a cell phone with an 8GB music player is pretty cool -- instead of carrying around an iPod and a cell phone, you just carry one device around.

It is true that Apple isn't the first to combine music and phones, but they are the first (that I know of) to offer a phone with such a large storage capacity for music.

As for the iPhone itself -- yeah, I won't be buying it (at least not for a long while).
Besides the fact that the first-gen tech is the one with all the problems, we have yet to see how well this phone actually gets reception -- which is the primary purpose of a cell phone.

[kayos]

Integrating a cell phone with an 8GB music player is pretty cool -- instead of carrying around an iPod and a cell phone, you just carry one device around.

There's an old saying "don't put all your eggs in one basket," I think that's how it goes. Well anyway wouldn't listening to the music drain the life of the phone, I prefer to have things in seperate compartments. If my mp3 player runs out of battery I would still have a cell phone and vice versa. But to have an all in one, constantly using one will kill the other as well.

Unless they develop a battery that will last a longer than the average mp3 players/cell phones with constant use of, then I'd reconsider it. Until then I'll just have to carry both, mp3 player for long rides to and from school and cell phone for vital communications.


It is true that Apple isn't the first to combine music and phones, but they are the first (that I know of) to offer a phone with such a large storage capacity for music.

There are phones with a removable memory card that can store mp3s or what not, I'm not sure how big those micro sd cards are up to now but my sister has a 2gig.

[killmoms]

Yes, there are other phones that can do these functions. I'm aware of that. I want the iPhone for its interface. Much like OS X, it's the interface that makes the device not just easy to use, but pleasant to use. So, for instance, I CAN currently download and listen to music on my RAZR, but its UI is so terrible that I don't want to. Even sending a text message on this thing is a pain. The iPhone excites me because Apple seem to be the only people out there right now who know how to create interfaces that are easy to use and make me WANT to use the device, instead of HAVING to use it.

[kayos]

You know I'm kind of disappointed in the Macworld Expo. I was planning on going there but now I'm glad I didn't. The best technologies that came out of there was the iphone and the macbook tablet. C'mon give me a break, that's so lame I was expecting more innovative ideas for their tech and that's the best they've brought. Sure the designs are cool but why won't they use their "Think Different" slogan and... well whatever.

[1.0.7.]

how durable is it?
scratches, shock resistant and what not?

[killmoms]

You know I'm kind of disappointed in the Macworld Expo. I was planning on going there but now I'm glad I didn't. The best technologies that came out of there was the iphone and the macbook tablet. C'mon give me a break, that's so lame I was expecting more innovative ideas for their tech and that's the best they've brought. Sure the designs are cool but why won't they use their "Think Different" slogan and... well whatever.

Just so you know, the MacBook tablet is not an Apple product. That's a mod by a third party and is not endorsed by Apple.

Steve even pointed out at the beginning of the keynote that they'd have Mac announcements in the next couple months. So, I mean, we'll get to see Leopard and iLife '07 and all that. But honestly, if you don't think that UI and multitouch in a phone are "thinking different…." Apple's the only company left that actually gets user interface design, I think. The iPhone is not just a product, it's a platform, one that I'm excited to see them developing.

how durable is it?
scratches, shock resistant and what not?
I'd imagine we won't know that until it actually comes out... six months from now.