Mechs, Weapons, and Technology of Code Geass

[C.A.]

Yes Seiten is absolutely the strongest KMF.

I'm not sure what kind of weak stats Banpresto would be giving Lelouch in SRW, they've always been faithful to the stats of characters. Lelouch is really one of the worst main characters in piloting to ever exist in a mecha show lol

But he's a tactician anyway, he's not famed for his piloting skills.

[bladeofdarkness]

who even questions that
it was built by rakshata and has all her really cool tricks
and then Lloyd and cecile go to town on it and give it a "no-one-can-fly-the-damn-thing" makeover with all of Lloyd's favorite toys
of course its the most powerful KMF ever built

[ZeroSama]

who even questions that
it was built by rakshata and has all her really cool tricks
and then Lloyd and cecile go to town on it and give it a "no-one-can-fly-the-damn-thing" makeover with all of Lloyd's favorite toys
of course its the most powerful KMF ever built

Its kinda strange though that they didn't give it a blaze Luminous shield on its left arm though. I mean it had the canon removed and the arms' gauntlet looks similar to the LA's so why not? Might as well pimp it out all the way.

And before anyone says anything about it not needing it or the shield being inferior to the claws defensive ability, keep this in mind, it was shown in the last EP that the LA's shield could block the radiation surge which after much pimping by Llyod and Cecile could overpower a hadron blast. That is pretty impressive but more importantly it would allow the mech to block and attack different opponents at the same time, something both prevoius models of the Guren couldn't do.

[bladeofdarkness]

the energy wings double as a full body blaze luminus shielding
coupled with the radiation surge shield in the arm and the fact that it still seems to have the original shield rakshata instealled on the kasoshiki (its what keeps the damocles shield open in ep24)
why add more shields

[ZeroSama]

the energy wings double as a full body blaze luminus shielding
coupled with the radiation surge shield in the arm and the fact that it still seems to have the original shield rakshata instealled on the kasoshiki (its what keeps the damocles shield open in ep24)
why add more shields

They where pimping the shit out of it:). Why not add more stuff to it:confused:? It never hurt the original Lancelot in S1 when it kept getting new stuff every 5 eps or so in season 1.

EP 5:MVS blades.
EP 8:Varis rifle.
EP 17:Harken boosters.
EP 20:Float unit.

Even if it just make it 1% better/cooler then it should've been added. I mean more toys never hurts right?

[Bonzo]

The guren was the powerful kmf thanks a exaggerated upgrade, but at the same time that robot had the biggest weak-point.

His best offensive system and the weapons control CPU is inside the right arm.

Whit that arm lost, Guren lose 85% of his battle ability, in fact without the right arm that robot was like a toy.
In the final battle it lost the arm in the final blow, otherwise the result was the same, no right arm = total defeat.

Instead the lancelot was a well-blanced model with more weak offensive ability about heavy attacks, but at the same time more functional, it could to continue the fight losing components, without the right arm guren handicap.

[bladeofdarkness]

i think its also the matter of energy use
i kinda always felt that the blaze luminus system is probably the most power costing feture of the lancelot's systems
the varis uses ammo
the MVS seem to be powered by themselves more or less (which is why other units have them in such large numbers)
and the harken boosters are just harkens with rocket attachments
but the shields are something the lancelot generates using internal energy alone
which is probably why its the only fetures that are not included in almost any other unit
MVS's become standard and the tristan at least has self guided harkens
but only the lancelot mordred and galahad have blaze luminus shields

it also makes sense since Lloyd swapped out the guren's engine for an advance version of the lancelot's core luminus during its upgrade (the spinning cube thing)
if the energy wings are basiclly full body blaze luminus shields, it makes sense that it would need an engine that powerful to power them

@bonzo
are you talking original guren or SEITEN ?
becouse the SEITEN has other weapon systems that kallen ends up using even MORE then the arm

[haravikk]

Personally I found the mecha in Code Geass to be somewhat unnecessary; personally I would have been happier if battles had just been soldiers versus soldiers, with some especially skilled ones or clever tactics. I suppose it may have made Code Geass gorier, but some shows portray gunshots etc. without blood to avoid falling into that trap.

I dunno, I just found that on the whole the knightmare frames just resulted in the yo-yo effect from DragonBall Z (oh no he's more powerful, but wait, this week I'm more powerful!) and a lot of the action-scenes were hard to follow or ridiculously destructive (hundreds of "lesser" suits just hanging around stupidly getting wiped out).

Code Geass had me hooked for the plot, characters, and cool scenes where some twist occurs or Zero/Lelouche outsmarted someone or was out-manoeuvred himself, and the soundtrack, so I overlooked the action-scenes. Just wondering if anyone else felt the same? It's just that I find that Anime's with mecha in them tend to fall into the overly rapid, hard-to-follow, pointless robot-battles that don't really add anything. What I've seen of Gundam seems to do this too, and Neon Genesis Evangelion is pretty bad for it sometimes too.

[bladeofdarkness]

read the manga then
its like the show only without the mecha

and leave this thread to the people who thing KMF's kick ass :heh:

[morbosfist]

The guren was the powerful kmf thanks a exaggerated upgrade, but at the same time that robot had the biggest weak-point.

His best offensive system and the weapons control CPU is inside the right arm.

Whit that arm lost, Guren lose 85% of his battle ability, in fact without the right arm that robot was like a toy.
In the final battle it lost the arm in the final blow, otherwise the result was the same, no right arm = total defeat.

Instead the lancelot was a well-blanced model with more weak offensive ability about heavy attacks, but at the same time more functional, it could to continue the fight losing components, without the right arm guren handicap.The final battle was already over for Suzaku. He was missing a leg. That's a game-ending disability without a flight pack. He just got Kallen's arm and head with a last-ditch attack. Besides, Kallen's arm had already run out of ammo for the radiant surge. She was just going melee.

[Bonzo]

@bonzo
are you talking original guren or SEITEN ?
becouse the SEITEN has other weapon systems that kallen ends up using even MORE then the arm

The seiten had the same weak point, but at last Kallen understood the lesson after two defeats for losing the right arm.
It's written in the mecha art too, because inside the arm there were the weapon system CPU control, without the right arm = all energy-radiation weapons disabled.
And the guren was able to fight just with the knife and the machine gun (not installed in the seiten).

A powerful robot, but bad projected, all the body was occupied by the new engine built by lloyd, then he not changed the position of guren CPU and computer.
For this lancelot exploded like a bomb with a single fist, inside the body it had the same generator.

[morbosfist]

The seiten had the same weak point, but at last Kallen understood the lesson after two defeats for losing the right arm.
It's written in the mecha art too, because inside the arm there were the weapon system CPU control, without the right arm losing that arm = all energy-radiation weapons disabled.
And the guren was able to fight just with the knife and the machine gun (not installed in the seiten). The radiant surge is in the right arm, so I fail to see what you're getting at. The arm goes, the surge goes, so it makes sense for the CPU controlling it to be in the arm. The Guren SEITEN still had a knife and two harkens, as opposed to just one. Suzaku broke the knife mid-battle.

[bladeofdarkness]

The seiten had the same weak point, but at last Kallen understood the lesson after two defeats for losing the right arm.
It's written in the mecha art too, because inside the arm there were the weapon system CPU control, without the right arm = all energy-radiation weapons disabled.
And the guren was able to fight just with the knife and the machine gun (not installed in the seiten).

it has wings (that can slice a KMF in half)
harkens with boosters
an MVS dagger
all these systems are as good as any other weapon on the show
its not just the arm anymore

she also the only one who treats the wings as weapons
suzaku uses the pew pew wings spam feture, but not as close combat weapons

[ZeroSama]

i think its also the matter of energy use
i kinda always felt that the blaze luminus system is probably the most power costing feture of the lancelot's systems
the varis uses ammo
the MVS seem to be powered by themselves more or less (which is why other units have them in such large numbers)
and the harken boosters are just harkens with rocket attachments
but the shields are something the lancelot generates using internal energy alone
which is probably why its the only fetures that are not included in almost any other unit


I'm not sure if its my sub or not but didn't Suzaku say "out of shield energy" after blocking Kallens final radiation surge in the last EP? If so that means that the blaze liminous emitters have their own seperate power supply(in 9th gen frames anyway).

If so its not going to end up draing you main battery because its got its own power source, why not install it? She doesn't have to use it all the time or even at all. It just gives it greater defensive capabilities and makes it a more flexible/adaptable weapons platform.

[bladeofdarkness]

i dont know
i guess they didnt insteall the shieds for the same reason they didnt install the wing spam feture
becouse you need each robot to be uniqe enough so you could sell toys of it (it works, im still waiting for my albion :heh:)

@bonzo
i doubt the CPU for ALL the weapons would be inside the arm itself
if it was why on earth would Lloyd turn the arm into a harken
who the fuck shoots out the entire KMF's weapon control system at enemies on a wire

[Bonzo]

If lose a arm = lost all the powerful weapon and to fight just with melee weapon isn't a weak point....

Guren lost the right arm only at the final blow thanks the "standard sunrise gundam plot" about final-battle-robots-demolition-without-to-hit-weak-points. :D

Everybody understood it was the guren best target, in fact for 90% of attacks suzaku tried to cut it.

[bladeofdarkness]

when did he try to attack it in the final fight ?

[Bonzo]

Lancelot had a single energy generator, but losing the wings he had more energy for the shields at despite all the energy he used for the useless attacks against the damocles.

Then he used less energy for defence, kallen made a lot of exaggerated attacks just to justify they empty their resources at the same second.....the immortal anime coincidence.

If you look well, a lot of his melee attacks were against the guren right arm, the only able to generate a sort of shield, kallen blocked all, this is obvious, otherwise....to cut guren right arm was the fastest way to defeat kallen without to hurt her and to low a lot guren's danger.

[bladeofdarkness]

she only fires the arm twice ...during the entire fight
what exaggerated attacks

and when did he attack the arm
at all

every shot and slice and punch were aimed at the guren as a whole

[Bonzo]

You forgot all the radiation attacks against Lelouch minions, I spoke in general for her, I specified only for suzaku.

However, if you want to laugh, there're some doujinshi where the guren without arm turn off and kallen is trapped inside asking help :D

[bladeofdarkness]

during the fight against "lelouch's minions" she uses the arm no more then she uses any of the other weapons
she actually takes out more enemies with the wings harkens and dagger then she does with the arm and that includes C.C (watch ep 24)
the only difference is that suzaku bearly fights anyone in the final battle
he fights xing-ke toudn gino and tamaki
and in all those cases he does it with close range weapons and harknes so he doesnt really waste all that much varis ammo
kallen fighst C.C and lots of mooks becosue thats all lelouch really has aside from suzaku and jeremia
but in terms of enemies she actually fights many more of them then suzaku does
and when they end up fighting each other she bearly uses the arm at all

[Aquaman OS]

I wonder if the Radiation Wave technology requires parts that are otherwise difficult to get for Britannia. That's the only thing I can think of that prevents Britannia from incorporating the technology into their own machines. So far the only machines we've seen that incorporate Britannian tech with Black Knight tech is the Guren SEITEN Hakyoukashiki and the Sutherland Sieg.

I think it was more of Lloyd and Rakshata's rivalry and them not wanting to use each others technology. Lloyd was the only one on the Britannian side who got to look at the Radiation wave tech and he mostly ignored it in favor of his own tech (MVS Energy Wing and Rocket Harken). He tweaked it a bit to fire discs but for the most part left the wave alone and showed no intention of mass producing it. Why would he? The Radiation Barriers were not shown to be more effective than the Blaze Luminous they were just a different type of shield. And rather than be impressed with the improvements to Guren Rakshata was pissed that Lloyd's tech was on her machine.

Likewise when the Black Knights got access to Rolo's Vincent they more or less just left it as his unit. They didn't mass produce MVS's because there was no need to as the Black Knight Katen Yaibatou's were just as effective. The only time Rakshata seemed interested in reverse engineering Lancelot was back in season 1 when it was superior to everything else. During the timeskip she was able to use her own tech to close the gap in machines and invent her own flight system so she had no further interest in it.

The only time she merged her own tech with Britannian was the Sutherland Seig where she was specifically ordered by Zero to salvage a unit for Jeremiah and since Seigfried wasn't built by Lloyd she might not have minded.

But at that point the Britannian tech and Black Knight tech were different but more or less matched each other.

[Bonzo]

About the rest, britannia standard KMF are equipped with short-close range weapon and melee (machine gun, spears, tonfa) the only exception is the gareth (short range missile launcher and mini-hadron)

Instead BK standard robots have weapon for medium-long range (machine gun, missile launchers, assault cannon, rocket launcher), the only exception are tohdou kmf equipped just with melee weapon (swords, the standard samurai honor) and his minions.

Instead UN and China had KMF able just for perimeter defense (only fix long range weapon), then totally useless in short combat.

[bladeofdarkness]

Suzaku does have Knightmare training, but it's simulator-only since Elevens are barred from piloting mechs.

Kallen doesn't have formal training, but she appears to be something of a child prodigy when it comes to piloting Knightmare Frames.

Otherwise I agree with your assessment, blade. Only those who had Super Prototypes to begin with drove them to their limits. Those who later received an upgraded new-generation KMF never appeared to use the machine to its limits.

i wouldnt say that its ONLY about the training (suzaku's simulator and kallen's prodigy skills)
its also about the mindframe of it
if you spend years with a machine that can only do a certain thing, you get used to only using THOSE moves and skills

it happens all the time with martial artists who specialize in specific traits (boxing for example)
they often miss out on chance to kick or throw their opponent because its not what they are used to do in combat
and when faced with stress, they default to what they are used to doing

the reverse is also true
i once saw a MMA fighter who was competing in a kick boxing match
in the middle of the fight, despite it being completely against the rules of the match, he ended up throwing his opponent when the chance to do such a move presented itself
it cost him the match (technical loss)
he KNEW that it was against the rules, but he spent YEARS fighting under conditions where that kind of move was not only acceptable, but also desirable
so when put under the stress of combat, his reflexes kicked in and he did something he was USED to do

same case here
after spending years using a machine that is very limited in its abilities (5th gens)
they get handed machines that are not as limited, and they dont use them
not because they CANT use them (i'd expect anyone with half decent skills would be able to make a vincent or an akatsuki do a jump flip)
but because they arent USED to using such moves in combat
and when put under stress, they default to only using the moves that they are used to

suzaku has simulator training, but no experiance while under stress, so he isnt USED to doing anything, and hence isnt stressed

kallen has no formal training, and so isnt limited in HOW she uses her KMF (puncing out a satherland with a glassgo at one point)
and when both are given 7th gens, they arent limited in their reflexes because they didnt really have time to DEVELOP reflexes

[blitz1/2]

The final battle was already over for Suzaku. He was missing a leg. That's a game-ending disability without a flight pack. He just got Kallen's arm and head with a last-ditch attack. Besides, Kallen's arm had already run out of ammo for the radiant surge. She was just going melee.

Suzaku can go melee too (without blades, use fists). I don't see a game over there.

so now, you're telling me that Kallen can fight blinded (without head) and armless (no weapons)

wow....

[bladeofdarkness]

Suzaku can go melee too (without blades, use fists). I don't see a game over there.

so now, you're telling me that Kallen can fight blinded (without head) and armless (no weapons)

wow....

i think he ment that for suzaku the fight was over the moment he lost the leg
he could no longer move, and was basiclly wide open to kallen's attack
and he couldnt go melee without the leg because he was using his arms to keep himself balanced (you can see it right after he lands)
he had one arm balancing the lancelot and the other arm was destroyed by the claw
so he couldnt prevent kallen from destroying him because she had two arms and he had ONE (which he needed to keep from fliping on his side)
by taking out the head and arm with his last attack suzaku managed to at least STOP kallen from going after LELOUCH, but the moment he lost the leg, he was out of the fight for good even if he managed to take her out WITHOUT being destroyed
he couldnt go anywhere else, and couldnt defent himself from anyone who tried to attack him afterwards (gino could have finished him off with ease by simply floating up and firing his harken at him from the side)

P.S
that post you quoted was from a REALLY long time ago :heh:

[blitz1/2]

i think he ment that for suzaku the fight was over the moment he lost the leg
he could no longer move, and was basiclly wide open to kallen's attack
and he couldnt go melee without the leg because he was using his arms to keep himself balanced (you can see it right after he lands)
he had one arm balancing the lancelot and the other arm was destroyed by the claw
so he couldnt prevent kallen from destroying him because she had two arms and he had ONE (which he needed to keep from fliping on his side)
by taking out the head and arm with his last attack suzaku managed to at least STOP kallen from going after LELOUCH, but the moment he lost the leg, he was out of the fight for good even if he managed to take her out WITHOUT being destroyed
he couldnt go anywhere else, and couldnt defent himself from anyone who tried to attack him afterwards (gino could have finished him off with ease by simply floating up and firing his harken at him from the side)

Lol.



P.S
that post you quoted was from a REALLY long time ago :heh:

lol

But still, Suzaku has xxx number of harkens for defense, I hardly think that Kallen has as much harkens to counter let along surpass them. That alone, may not even need Suzaku's fists.

The leg blowing off just gives me one conclusion, Suzaku cannot escape so he must fight.

[morbosfist]

Suzaku can go melee too (without blades, use fists). I don't see a game over there.

so now, you're telling me that Kallen can fight blinded (without head) and armless (no weapons)

wow....What blade said. A one-legged Knightmare doesn't have a chance. The best he could do was take her down with him.

[bladeofdarkness]

lol

But still, Suzaku has xxx number of harkens for defense, I hardly think that Kallen has as much harkens to counter let along surpass them. That alone, may not even need Suzaku's fists.

The leg blowing off just gives me one conclusion, Suzaku cannot escape so he must fight.

he has two harkens on his hips (the arm ones arent useable)
kallen has to arms (including one that can crush his own arms like they arent there)
she also has two legs (she can kick) while he cant

he uses the harkens to do the only thing he can
take out the arm (which was a second from killing him) and then take out the head to prevent farther movement
but thats the only thing he CAN do at that point
and if he doesnt do that then not only is HE dead, but so is lelouch

[Bonzo]

A knightmare can have two arms and two legs, but without the head they can't fight.
Too much precious systems in the head.
They aren't designed like a gundam with camera and emergency sensors in the main body

[morbosfist]

A knightmare can have two arms and two legs, but without the head they can't fight.
Too much precious systems in the head.
They aren't designed like a gundam with camera and emergency sensors in the main bodyDidn't stop Kallen from blowing him up regardless. Suzaku was already defeated. He just made sure to bring Kallen down with him.

[bladeofdarkness]

actually the attack that took him out started BEFORE he took her head off
otherwise it wouldnt have worked (the machine shut down)
she already WON the fight as it were, suzaku was just able to make sure she wouldnt be able to get to lelouch in the end

[Bonzo]

In fact the Guren made his attack before to shut down losing the head, like all the other knightmare.

[morbosfist]

actually the attack that took him out started BEFORE he took her head off
otherwise it wouldnt have worked (the machine shut down)
she already WON the fight as it were, suzaku was just able to make sure she wouldnt be able to get to lelouch in the endTo-ma-to, to-mah-to. The thing to take away from all of that? Both times Suzaku has tried his spinkick on Kallen, he lost his leg, and the second time she didn't even have the superior machine (vastly, at least) and she still came out with two working arms.

[bladeofdarkness]

well she DID have a more high spec'd machine
but we dont know by how much
and its not like it would have mattered much

Lloyed made the albion as a custom KMF for suzaku's specific use
if he could have made it more high spec'd then it was, in a way that would allow suzaku to be MORE effective, then he would have made it that way
thats what a custom built machine means
its built to maximize the combat abilities of its pilot

the guren was more high spec'd because it wasnt custom built for ANYONE
it was basically a result of Lloyd and cecile playing around with it and just trying to see how strong they can make it
and the end result was a machine that kallen shouldnt even be able to USE, let alone use to the degree where she match's suzaku's custom model

[Bonzo]

Guren was more powerful of the albion, but with the power "live on" suzaku could fight at the same level.

[bladeofdarkness]

Guren was more powerful of the albion, but with the power "live on" suzaku could fight at the same level.

i dont think the spec's made that big of a difference
read my above post for the why

[Bad wolf]

A knightmare can have two arms and two legs, but without the head they can't fight.
Too much precious systems in the head.
They aren't designed like a gundam with camera and emergency sensors in the main body
Actually, Kallen could have just did whatever she needed to do to make that screen in front of her go clear, as it's been shown to be able to do. Thing is she didn't need to because her attack worked.

[incorrupts]

i dont think the spec's made that big of a difference
read my above post for the why

No, it actually kind of did. Kallen herself said so.

[bladeofdarkness]

No, it actually kind of did. Kallen herself said so.

i think that if Lloyd could have made the albion more high-spec'd then it already was, in a way that would allow suzaku to be more effective in combat, then he would have done that
thats what a custom built machine means
its built to maximize the pilot's effectiveness

[incorrupts]

i think that if Lloyd could have made the albion more high-spec'd then it already was, in a way that would allow suzaku to be more effective in combat, then he would have done that
thats what a custom built machine means
its built to maximize the pilot's effectiveness

Guren Seiten > everything else.
Lancelot was close to that, but not in the same level, that is obvious.

Basically, think of it, like a Pro Evolution Soccer Game. Kallen has chosen the best team {say Barcelona} and Suzaku has chosen the next best one {say Lyon or something similar.} Kallen has the random arrows in her players {you know, the ones that indicate if the players are in their full modes of playing and stuff, green, grey, red and so on} while Suzaku with the "live on", manages to have all his playes on the perfect condition, meaning "red arrows".
So yeah, in a nutshell, it was mostly an even battle, because one trait of the other, was countered with something else. And i hope you have played Pro Evolution, because then you will have no idea what i am talking about, haha.

[bladeofdarkness]

you are completely right

i never played Pro Evolution Soccer Game
and indeed, i have NO IDEA what you just said :heh:

anyway, i know this isnt the place
but i have to say it
haruhi is making me a sad panda :upset:

[incorrupts]

you are completely right

i never played Pro Evolution Soccer Game
and indeed, i have NO IDEA what you just said :heh:

anyway, i know this isnt the place
but i have to say it
haruhi is making me a sad panda :upset:

Ahh, just think that Suzaku's football team was all on steroids. Even if Kallen has the better team, it will be even cause of steroids. You get it now? 8D

//you fail btw, lol. Pro is like a cult football PS game, come on. |DD
Personally, no one has ever beaten me, when i choose Arsenal.{which is my fav team generally and yeah, things you do not give a shit about, i know, lol}

[bladeofdarkness]

fine
i'll accept your version of it
but i still dont think the spec difference would have made all that much difference
suzaku is freaking jesus yamato by the end
kallen fighting him on equal grounds for all that time is like mu beating kira

and i was never into soccer PC games
the last one i played was striker :heh:

[incorrupts]

fine
i'll accept your version of it
but i still dont think the spec difference would have made all that much difference
suzaku is freaking jesus yamato by the end
kallen fighting him on equal grounds for all that time is like mu beating kira

and i was never into soccer PC games
the last one i played was striker :heh:

Basically, they were both excellent pilots and beat each other's shit there. I am telling you, in 100 battles between each other, Kallen would win 51 and Suzaku 49. Nearly even, but in a field, no matter what, someone is always the best. Even if the difference is just a 0.000001 inch. And i believe, that Kallen is just a bit, like million-less-bit better than Suzaku.
Partly, because she was used fighting in really dangerous situations and her reflexes were "forced" to get developed more. Suzaku, never really had any problem, until he fought Guren basically.

[Bonzo]

However, speaking about mechas, I designed some new model of knightmare, just for a little use, they aren't part of the original show, but I can add the art in some place.

[bladeofdarkness]

However, speaking about mechas, I designed some new model of knightmare, just for a little use, they aren't part of the original show, but I can add the art in some place.

i hope you named it "The Bedivere"
or at least "the Robin"

@sky
i agree

[Bonzo]

Well..not, the knightmare names are:

Gingalain (nonette enneagram Kmf)

Leodergance (it was the kmf of Dorothea ernst knight of four , but it was under repair during the kor assault, it was a custom gareth, lloyd recovered it and upgraded with the new technologies, now is the Kmf of Kyoko enneagram)

Mohrolt (Monica kruszewski kmf, a model for electronic war, but useless in a frontal attack, then monica leaved it in a hangar and used a sutherland during the kor assault, ashford lab recovered it and rakshata upgrade it, now is the kmf of Joséphine li britannia)

Tristan mk. III (new gino kmf, melee weapon and ecm/epm system for electronic war)

Sagramor (Amanda bradley [sister of luciano bradley] kmf, a new assault model, designed to cover the tristan mk.III, the two kmf fight together)

Lanceren mephisto (suzaku kmf, the newest creation made by lloyd and rakshata, but a outlaw model considered the new laws about weapons limit written by nunnally and UNF, in fact for a promise, after to fix the last problem, the kmf must be destroyed)

Costantine (pollux rui britannia kmf), Costantine is the name of knight of round taked the place of arthur like king of camelot.

[bladeofdarkness]

why skip the name Bedivere
he's one of the most famus knights of the round table

[Bonzo]

I know, Japan writers made the error to consider the 12 knights, but the "historical" research find proofs about a number of knight of 25 to 150...

I just taked some random name by the list on wikipedia.

Instead "lanceren" is just a mixed name about Lancelot + Guren, a model designed on purpose to fight some impressive "monster" after the Merlin event.

Like Merlin was born on purpose to destroy the Guren seiten and the Shinkirou.

[bladeofdarkness]

you should rename one of them
its like not naming a KMF the lancelot in favor of naming it the Gaheris

[Bonzo]

I see, about the Lanceren, the name is just because Lloyd and Rakshata built it together.

However the names can be changed in every time, thy're just sketches in the paper for now.

[bladeofdarkness]

what weapon's have you used
i got a whole concept of new weapons

[Bonzo]

well, the big percentage are weapon really under test and project, like the gauss rifle/cannon.

No hadron weapons or radiation systems, they're outlaw.

[bladeofdarkness]

i have two new weapon concepts

1)MSV shielding based close range weapons
it basiclly takes the elements that were found in the lancelot's leg shields and the percival's energy drill and takes them to a more basic level

for example, a KMF that has arm mounted MSV shielding like the lancelot, but the shields can also form into a different shape
one that looks like a blaze lumius spike
which allows a KMF to litteraly use its punches as weapons and give them luminus gloves (stronger penetraion, without risk of damage to limb)

or a hand held shield like the percival's only instead of a rocket launcher, it has a blaze luminus generator that forms a spike around the shield (turning it into a shield AND a lance at the same time

2)gefun emitter
a farther development of the gefun disturber, it basiclly mounts onto the back of a KMF in the same way that the gefun net does
only instead of little missiles, it simply starts emitting the EMP directly from the KMF itself to about 300 meter radius around it
it makes the machine and anything in the 300 meter radius around it invisible to radar or any other form of electronic detection
but because the machine iteslf is emitting this pulse, it also suffers from its effect, reducing the preformence of the KMF considerably when the emitter is turned on

[Bonzo]

I hope tomorrow to add some of the sketches.

[synaesthetic]

I find it amusing that everyone here is trying to find ways to make Knightmare Frames even more ridiculously OTT Super Robots, while none of the KMFs in my fic can even fly, except for Lancelot's experimental float unit.

In the story it was deemed awesome but impractical due to its enormous energy drain, seriously limiting the active time of the mech. So the new version of Suzaku's mech has mounting points for it for specialized missions, but otherwise no KMFs fly.

I've scaled back melee fighting as well... KMFs acting more like walking and skating upright tanks than enormous superpowered metal people. ^^;

Cause you know, seriously, what are aerospace fighters for if mechs can fly? It's ludicrous.

Edit: Oh yeah and both the Avalon and the Ikaruga are ships (the floating-on-water kind) instead of giant atmospheric flying thingy. Ikaruga is still also a submarine too though. Damocles stops being a floating fortress the size of an Imperial Star Destroyer and instead becomes an unmanned Kill Sat that launches FLEIAs.

So yeah I'm just taking R2, removing the worst wallbangers and turning the Real Robot roots of the show back up to eleven.

[blitz1/2]

I hope tomorrow to add some of the sketches.

I thought we weren't allowed to add fan made creations in this thread. (Since I got scolded when I tried the same thing many pages back)

[Tr3adst0ne]

I find it amusing that everyone here is trying to find ways to make Knightmare Frames even more ridiculously OTT Super Robots, while none of the KMFs in my fic can even fly, except for Lancelot's experimental float unit.

In the story it was deemed awesome but impractical due to its enormous energy drain, seriously limiting the active time of the mech. So the new version of Suzaku's mech has mounting points for it for specialized missions, but otherwise no KMFs fly.

I've scaled back melee fighting as well... KMFs acting more like walking and skating upright tanks than enormous superpowered metal people. ^^;

Cause you know, seriously, what are aerospace fighters for if mechs can fly? It's ludicrous.

Edit: Oh yeah and both the Avalon and the Ikaruga are ships (the floating-on-water kind) instead of giant atmospheric flying thingy. Ikaruga is still also a submarine too though. Damocles stops being a floating fortress the size of an Imperial Star Destroyer and instead becomes an unmanned Kill Sat that launches FLEIAs.

So yeah I'm just taking R2, removing the worst wallbangers and turning the Real Robot roots of the show back up to eleven.

I second that in regards to aircraft. Since there were flying robots in R2, why the hell didn't any faction use fighters in the Code Geass universe at all? Was the images of YF-23s in the beginning of the R1 intro just to tease us?

[synaesthetic]

In a Real Robot world like Code Geass (at least, in season one anyway), tank-buster planes like an A-10 could cause serious damage to Knightmares. They'd likely be just as effective against KMFs as they are against regular tanks.

Really this is kind of the reason why humongous mecha aren't too realistic, even in the Real Robot aspect. Gundam usually tries to handwave the absence of combat ranges in the hundreds of miles by talking about Minovsky particles or GN particles or whatever magical radar-jamming mecha dust they happen to use.

The best way to keep the giant robots not feeling like just an excuse to use giant robots, and make it fit naturally into the story, is limit their abilities to basically just faster, weaker and more mobile tanks. Super Prototypes notwithstanding, of course.

[Tr3adst0ne]

In a Real Robot world like Code Geass (at least, in season one anyway), tank-buster planes like an A-10 could cause serious damage to Knightmares. They'd likely be just as effective against KMFs as they are against regular tanks.

Really this is kind of the reason why humongous mecha aren't too realistic, even in the Real Robot aspect. Gundam usually tries to handwave the absence of combat ranges in the hundreds of miles by talking about Minovsky particles or GN particles or whatever magical radar-jamming mecha dust they happen to use.

The best way to keep the giant robots not feeling like just an excuse to use giant robots, and make it fit naturally into the story, is limit their abilities to basically just faster, weaker and more mobile tanks. Super Prototypes notwithstanding, of course.

You're talking Tom Clancy/Larry Bond-type feasibility, aren't you?

[Bad wolf]

No, it actually kind of did. Kallen herself said so.
I'm agreeing with bladeofdarkness actually.
Spec doesn't mean nearly as much as pilot skills. Look at Cornelia, she was able to rape Gawain, 1 7th or 8th generation, in a 5th generation frame.

[morbosfist]

I'm agreeing with bladeofdarkness actually.
Spec doesn't mean nearly as much as pilot skills. Look at Cornelia, she was able to rape Gawain, a 7th or 8th generation, in a 5th generation frame.Cornelia was piloting a nimble anti-Knightmare Knightmare against a clumsy Knightmare designed to fire on large groups. That battle made perfect sense both by virtue of skill and advantages each machine had.

[incorrupts]

I'm agreeing with bladeofdarkness actually.
Spec doesn't mean nearly as much as pilot skills. Look at Cornelia, she was able to rape Gawain, 1 7th or 8th generation, in a 5th generation frame.

Ah read the rest of my posts after that. I did not say, that Kallen won because of her specs, it was an even battle for reasons i stated above.
I just pointed out, that Guren Seiten > all.
Lancelot Albion included, even if it is not a major difference.

[synaesthetic]

I'm agreeing with bladeofdarkness actually.
Spec doesn't mean nearly as much as pilot skills. Look at Cornelia, she was able to rape Gawain, 1 7th or 8th generation, in a 5th generation frame.

Gawain is much larger than normal, is designed to fight more from the air than the ground. It's a bombardment-type frame--those twin hadron cannons are devastating at range, but useless in melee.

Guren or Lancelot, having forced the Gawain into a do-or-die melee scrap, would have tore the Gawain apart with ease. Even with the inferior production model Gloucester, Cornelia was kicking his ass.

I suppose Lelouch learned from the encounter with Cornelia when he had Shinkirou commissioned. ^^;

[Bonzo]

I thought we weren't allowed to add fan made creations in this thread. (Since I got scolded when I tried the same thing many pages back)

I written I'll add some sketches, but not where, I put them in the art section.

[faiz blaster]

Don't know if this came up already but, does anyone knows how Tristan's Harken/beam cannon works?

Also, what's up with Galahad Excalibur? I know people said that its a MVS, but MVS work under a concept similar to high-frequency vibration swords, and I don't think this kind of weapon is capable of creating a swirl of light nor deflecting a high powered particle beam.

Finally, we know about the 7th and 9th, but what happened with the 8th Generation of Knightmare Frames?

[morbosfist]

Don't know if this came up already but, does anyone knows how Tristan's Harken/beam cannon works?

Also, what's up with Galahad Excalibur? I know people said that its a MVS, but MVS work under a concept similar to high-frequency vibration swords, and I don't think this kind of weapon is capable of creating a swirl of light nor deflecting a high powered particle beam.

Finally, we know about the 7th and 9th, but what happened with the 8th Generation of Knightmare Frames?The Tristan's Harken's are a snap-together cannon and the Excalibur is a big-ass sword with a shield built in. All KoR frames are 8th Generation.

[faiz blaster]

The Tristan's Harken's are a snap-together cannon and the Excalibur is a big-ass sword with a shield built in. All KoR frames are 8th Generation.

:dots:

Care to take this seriously, please?

I meant to ask under which precepts does the Tristan's Harkens work? Like I heard rumors that it had MVS technology as inbuilt features and by combining the Harkens, it could create and fire plasma. Does anyone confirm this?

Inbuilt shielding technology does not explain half of the things that I saw Excalibur doing.

Finally, ALL of them? That's hard to buy. Maybe if you have everything from Akatsuki and on, but there is no way that the original Guren and Gekka are anything beyond 7th Generation (actually, I wouldn't be surprised if they turned out to be one of the few successes of the 6th Generation).

[Rising Dragon]

Finally, ALL of them? That's hard to buy. Maybe if you have everything from Akatsuki and on, but there is no way that the original Guren and Gekka are anything beyond 7th Generation (actually, I wouldn't be surprised if they turned out to be one of the few successes of the 6th Generation).

The technology that defines the Seventh Generation of Knightmare Frames is the practical application of Sixth Generation KMF technology: MVS tech, MSV tech, and the application of Sakuradite through the entire frame of the Knightmare.

What defines the Eighth Generation of Knightmare Frames, however, is the application of improved Float Systems, the ones that don't drain absurd amounts of energy when they're used. All of the KoR KMFs are Eighth Gen, and the Shinkirou, Guren Kakyoshiki, Akatsuki series, and Gareth are also likely Eighth Generation KMFs.

The Ninth Generation, as we know, is the Lancelot Albion and Guren SEITEN, which use the Energy Wings.

[morbosfist]

I meant to ask under which precepts does the Tristan's Harkens work? Like I heard rumors that it had MVS technology as inbuilt features and by combining the Harkens, it could create and fire plasma. Does anyone confirm this?It's never explained as far as I know.

Inbuilt shielding technology does not explain half of the things that I saw Excalibur doing.It's a big heavy sword that breaks things while the shield blocks energy blasts. What about this is hard to believe, aside from the standard fare about such a sword even existing?

Finally, ALL of them? That's hard to buy. Maybe if you have everything from Akatsuki and on, but there is no way that the original Guren and Gekka are anything beyond 7th Generation (actually, I wouldn't be surprised if they turned out to be one of the few successes of the 6th Generation).What Rising said. See this image (http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f356/AmuroNT1/Code%20Geass/Lineart/KnightmareChart.png).

[Rising Dragon]

It's a big heavy sword that breaks things while the shield blocks energy blasts. What about this is hard to believe, aside from the standard fare about such a sword even existing?

The way I see it, the Excalibur sword doesn't use the MSV technology that the Lancelot, Tristan, and Guren SEITEN does because it doesn't need it. Its size likely allows it to be much sturdier than the MSV swords, and as a result, its size and weight gives it more than ample cutting power. Its energy shielding capabilities, I imagine, is a new experimental technology, probably built upon the development of energy weapons such as those used in the Shinkirou, Tristan, Guren, and Shen-Hu.

What Rising said. See this image (http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f356/AmuroNT1/Code%20Geass/Lineart/KnightmareChart.png).

... totally didn't know about that image.

[bladeofdarkness]

techniclly the "generation" bit only applys to britannian KMF's (since they created the whole thing)
the guren is IN EFFECT the second 7th gen (making all its derivitives like the gekka the same)

[Bonzo]

In fact, albion, guren..they're always 7th generation, with some special upgrade (energy wings) they becomed a sort of "8th generation", but the main body at last is always the same.

The Merlin can be a 9th generation (built to destroy guren and shinkirou) but this is a fanmade kmf.

However, in the original geass world there're a couple of real 8th generation kmf, the robots of pollux rui britannia and his brother.
But they're visible only in the rpg game on nintendo DS.

[bladeofdarkness]

what
the albion is brand spanking new
its the first (and only) 9th gen ever built from the ground up

the guren on the other hand, is a HEAVILY modified 7th gen (since its still the same machine)

[Bonzo]

Yes, but depend by a point of view, every mecha website write a different generation chronicles for the kmf.

[morbosfist]

the guren on the other hand, is a HEAVILY modified 7th gen (since its still the same machine)The only thing remotely the same on the Guren is the cockpit. Everything else was rebuilt or replaced.

[bladeofdarkness]

no
the albion is a 9th
its SAID ON THE SHOW that its a 9th

@morbo
but its still the same machine
hence, a very heavily modified 7th gen

[faiz blaster]

... totally didn't know about that image.

Neither did I. First time seeing it. :twitch:

Interesting to see that the Gawain is actually a 6th Gen machine and only the Shinkirou and machines of the Knights of Rounds (minus possibly the Lancelot Conquista) fall under the 8th Gen.

That aside, I think we seriously need the source, higher resolution and possibly a translation of this pic.

[morbosfist]

but its still the same machine
hence, a very heavily modified 7th genFor all intents and purposes, it's 9th, even if the base was a lesser machine. They replaced the core drive, rebuilt both arms and legs (it's taller than the previous model), the chest, everything. The only thing left original on it was probably the central framework and cockpit (since the latter's more a software deal).

That aside, I think we seriously need the source, higher resolution and possibly a translation of this pic.It's from "Code Geass R2 The Complete" official guidebook. Translation will be a mite harder to come by, but you can get the gist from the numbers.

[bladeofdarkness]

i think that if they had rebuilt the legs they would have changed the land spinner design (internal instead of external)
they just put better armor on them

edit:
but my point was still
that its the same machine underneath it all
its just heavily modified to the degree that it can be CONSIDERED a 9th gen

[morbosfist]

i think that if they had rebuilt the legs they would have changed the land spinner design (internal instead of external)
they just put better armor on themIt's way more than slap on armor. Look at the hip joints and feet. Totally different design. They kept the internalized spinners because they were improving the original concept.

[bladeofdarkness]

It's way more than slap on armor. Look at the hip joints and feet. Totally different design. They kept the internalized spinners because they were improving the original concept.

they removed the canon
and the harken
and the float system
its more then just improve teh original concept
they removed what they didnt like and replaced it with what they DO

[morbosfist]

they removed the canon
and the harken
and the float system
its more then just improve teh original concept
they removed what they didnt like and replaced it with what they DOGranted, it's extensive improvements, but improvements all the same. The cannon sucked, and the one harken was replaced with two. The float system was snap-on anyway. They didn't change that much, just a lot of upgrades.

[bladeofdarkness]

how about we just agree that it kicks ass :D

[morbosfist]

how about we just agree that it kicks ass :DCan't disagree there.

[Rising Dragon]

Granted, it's extensive improvements, but improvements all the same. The cannon sucked, and the one harken was replaced with two.

Three, if you want to count the Harken arm.

[morbosfist]

Three, if you want to count the Harken arm.Of course! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8u7px_GzWQ)

[bladeofdarkness]

i just realized something
the guren SEITEN eight extremities type is called "eight extremities" because it has 8 limbs (in terms of weapons)
2 arms
2 legs
2 harkens
2 wings
all of which are independent from each other
in other words, when your face to face with it, it can attack you in 8 different ways at the same time

[Aquaman OS]

That's actually a good point though I don't see how you could attack with all limbs at once since the left arm has no ranged weaponry to speak of.

[bladeofdarkness]

That's actually a good point though I don't see how you could attack with all limbs at once since the left arm has no ranged weaponry to speak of.

close range attacks then

[Aquaman OS]

Yes but you generally won't have that chance very often. How often will that many KMF be in perfect position to hit everyone at once even at close range?

[bladeofdarkness]

Yes but you generally won't have that chance very often. How often will that many KMF be in perfect position to hit everyone at once even at close range?

doesnt have to be all that many enemies at the same time
say you face one enemy in single combat
you attack with one hand, he blocks with one of his
you attack with the other hand, he blocks with the other
then you slash him with the wings while he's arms are busy

[Aquaman OS]

Well yes but I thought you were implying a Freedom like "use all weapons at once" kind of attack to destroy the masses. I don't think that would work.

[bladeofdarkness]

Well yes but I thought you were implying a Freedom like "use all weapons at once" kind of attack to destroy the masses. I don't think that would work.

well that would be a bit too much :heh:
it gives it more fighting options at the same time

[Rising Dragon]

Why is it that the Guren Nishiki is able to match the speed and maneuverability of the Lancelot? Does it have sakuradite embedded into its entire frame as well?

[morbosfist]

Why is it that the Guren Nishiki is able to match the speed and maneuverability of the Lancelot? Does it have sakuradite embedded into its entire frame as well?Maybe. Rakshata thinking to use the method as Lloyd isn't that farfetched. Alternatively, maybe Rakshata's just better with frame design, and so the Guren gets better mileage, so to speak. Lloyd does comment that her frames are extremely modular and easy to modify. Lloyd's are much less so. His department seems to be weapons.

[Bonzo]

Or, when Lloyd and Cecille played with the guren like two children are disassembling and assembling their toys...they added inside it the same yggrasil, generators and sakuradite super-conductors of last generation used for the Lancelot.

[morbosfist]

Or, when Lloyd and Cecille played with the guren like two children are disassembling and assembling their toys...they added inside it the same yggrasil, generators and sakuradite super-conductors of last generation used for the Lancelot.He's talking about at the start of the show, where it's flightless Lancelot vs flightless Guren. Back then Lancelot had all these cool new features, then the Guren comes in made by Rakshata and pwns it.

[bladeofdarkness]

every 7th gen model (guren, gekka, vincent, shen-hu) can match the lancelot for speed and manuverability
it doesnt have to do with the sakuradite frame

the frame allows it to power the new techs that were only theory in the 6th gen (MVS, MSV, VARIS, harken boosters)
the lancelot has more 6th gen weapon systems then any other unit built into it (and even more of them later on)
the guren only has one such feature, with the rest being old weapons of the sort you'll find on mook machines

[bladeofdarkness]

an interesting observation i have about the KMF generations in the show is this

every new "generation is designed to counter the previous gens
the 4th gens are built to combat traditional combat machines like tanks
the 5th was built with the idea that it would also have to deal with other frames like the 4th gens
the 7th gens, in addition to applying 6th gen theoretic weapons, seem to be designed specificlly to fight other KMF's almost exclusively (the fukshahado or MVS seem built for the task)
the 8th gens seem to say "so you have very fast land based KMF's, well in that case, we have flight enabled ones" and designed specificlly to be used with float units (the mordred and tristain for example are pretty much designed from scratch to have them)
and the 9th gen seems to say "so you have flight enabled KMFs, well, we have KMF's specificlly designed to fight against OTHER flight enabled units" and give the 9th gens MUCH better flight speed and maneuverability in the air

every new gen is built to counter the old ones by focusing specificlly on countering the advantages the last gen developed

[morbosfist]

every new gen is built to counter the old ones by focusing specificlly on countering the advantages the last gen developedThis is generally the purpose of war itself.

You you fists, we use sticks.
You use sticks, we use sharpened sticks.
... ... ...
You use swords, we use guns.
You use guns, we make armor.
... ... ...

You use tanks, we make bigger tanks to fight them.
... ... ...

Technological warfare is pretty much nothing but finding way to counter your enemies' advantages. It's hardly unique to Code Geass.

[Commander 598]

Has anyone covered the effects of the largest source of Sakuradite in the world being used as a giant bomb's effect on future weapons production?

[bladeofdarkness]

sakuradite is used in MORE then simply weapons
its pretty much the geass equivalent of fuel or coal (it powers the entire tokyo settlement)
nobody wants to admit that Lelouch just triggered an energy crisis of epic proportions
kinda makes it harder to like him if you do

[Commander 598]

I'm well aware of what Sakuradite is and what it does. It doesn't power anything, it's an energy dense and super conductive (Also flammable) material making it great for power transmission, electronics, and batteries(fillers). The Tokyo Settlement is powered by the skyscraper sized solar panels you see all around it.

Now the question was what it would do to weapons production, specifically the ultra high powered 7th gen wundermachines that probably have no smoking signs on them due to the Sakuradite content in them.

[bladeofdarkness]

the moment Lelouch triggers the gefun disterbers in tokyo, the entire city shuts down
and gefun disturbers only effect sakuradite based tech
sakuradite is a main component for most technology

as for the next gen KMF's
its clear they would start to develop more powerful ones in lesser numbers while phasing out the lesser gens
which is what normally happens during peace times
each side gets an army that is smaller in numbers but each unit is more powerful

[ZeroSama]

Has anyone covered the effects of the largest source of Sakuradite in the world being used as a giant bomb's effect on future weapons production?

For all we know he might've done it anyway after winning so no-one could build anymore FLEIJA warheads. Just because Nina says she won't build any doesn't mean someone else couldn't get their hands on the data/instigate their own R&D program.

FLEIJA would be a greater threat to world peace than any army, since i doubt anyone on the good side would have the resolve to do what Lelouch did to deal with them i.e. we have reserves. And if by some miracle they did they'd get the boot quickly for being a fucking looper.

[Kyero Fox]

This is generally the purpose of war itself.

You you fists, we use sticks.
You use sticks, we use sharpened sticks.
... ... ...
You use swords, we use guns.
You use guns, we make armor.
... ... ...

You use tanks, we make bigger tanks to fight them.
... ... ...

Technological warfare is pretty much nothing but finding way to counter your enemies' advantages. It's hardly unique to Code Geass.

your mechs have skates, ours have wings

[Revolutionist]

The Tokyo settlement was was powered by Sakuradite? News to me.

I always thought it was powered by those giant solar panels spread all over the settlement...

[morbosfist]

The Tokyo settlement was was powered by Sakuradite? News to me.

I always thought it was powered by those giant solar panels spread all over the settlement...Not powered by sakuradite, this would be misleading. Most technology, however, does use sakuradite as a component. It's a room-temperature superconductor.

[PzIVf3]

http://a.imagehost.org/0999/1283854606333.jpg (http://a.imagehost.org/view/0999/1283854606333)

[Arbitres]

I think I get it now, 'Der Weisser'... Though that is only implied if it's Akito's frame. Possibly not, though probably so if they're showing it.

[Bonzo]

One of the kmf for the new anime?

It's absurd, now, a story in 2017 with more modern kmf of R2.

Another commercial production?

[Xander]

It's absurd, now, a story in 2017 with more modern kmf of R2.


Not necessarily. Perhaps the design will turn out to be an experimental model after all but that wouldn't automatically make it any better or worse than the Lancelot and its variants. Performance is a key factor, not just its rough physical characteristics.

And I suppose reading the text (if we could) would help, no? At least a little bit.

[Roloko vi Britannia]

that kmf is gorgeous :blush:

[legonut3]

Does anybody know where the idea for a mech came from? I know Gundam is pretty old and transformers is obviously an american adaptation, but where did the giant humanoid robot-warrior idea come from?

[Hooves]

Does anybody know where the idea for a mech came from? I know Gundam is pretty old and transformers is obviously an american adaptation, but where did the giant humanoid robot-warrior idea come from?

1880 Jules Verne novel La Maison à vapeur (The Steam House) featured a steam-powered, piloted, mechanical elephant. One of the first appearances of such machines in modern literature was the tripods of H. G. Wells' famous The War of the Worlds.

Earliest I can go with how far back mechs go.

[GundamFan0083]

The earliest version of a metal, mechanical, giant humanoid automaton was from the Greek legends that involved Talos (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/t/talos.html).

[Hooves]

The earliest version of a metal, mechanical, giant humanoid automaton was from the Greek legends that involved Talos (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/t/talos.html).

Oh Talon, the giant bronze war-machine that was featured in the game "Spartan Total-Warrior" or something close to that name :heh:

[GundamFan0083]

Oh Talon, the giant bronze war-machine that was featured in the game "Spartan Total-Warrior" or something close to that name :heh:

:D :D

Another automaton from antiquity would be the Golem. (http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/golem.html)

It was a particularly nasty beasty that was virtually indestructable, kinda like a Gundam...which phoenetically sounds kinda like Gundam. ;)

[legonut3]

Thanks for the answers guys, but i was kinda looking for just the anime genre.:D in that case, i think Mobile Suit Gundam is as far back as I found, in 1979. (on my birthday too!):p

[GundamFan0083]

Oh you wanted oldest anime.

That would be Gigantor (http://www.gigantor.org/).

[legonut3]

Oh you wanted oldest anime.

That would be Gigantor (http://www.gigantor.org/).

Well, that is very old. not very interested in watching, just curious. thanks!

[FoxxFireArt]

Seeing how that new KMF has a female appearance. It's seems likely that it will probably be named Guinevere if it sticks with the basic theme they have used in the past.

I am curious about one thing. What generation of KMF technology would you think the Gun Ru and Panzer-Hummel fall into?
It doesn't seem as if they would fall into the 3rd Generation. That's the level of the Ganymede. Would you think the 4th Generation with models such as the Glasgow?

[GundamFan0083]

According to Mahq the TQ-19 Gun-Ru is a 4th generation KMF while the Mk3-E2E8 Panzer Hummel is a 7th Generation KMF.

Here are the links to their stats.

Gun-Ru (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/codegeass/geass-tv/tq-19.htm)

Panzer Hummel (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/codegeass/geass-r2/mk3-e2e8.htm)

[FoxxFireArt]

According to Mahq the TQ-19 Gun-Ru is a 4th generation KMF while the Mk3-E2E8 Panzer Hummel is a 7th Generation KMF.

Here are the links to their stats.

Gun-Ru (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/codegeass/geass-tv/tq-19.htm)

Panzer Hummel (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/codegeass/geass-r2/mk3-e2e8.htm)

Thanks, that's a lot of help.

[GundamFan0083]

You are most welcome sir. :)