Mechs, Weapons, and Technology of Code Geass

[Cal-Reflector]

Question: How does a KMF "refuel"? I believe this is done by swapping rechargeable battery packs, but can this operation be performed quickly and easily in the field?

[Dann of Thursday]

Well, during the Black Rebellion the Gawain apparently switched to another Energy filler. I think they can store them and switch to a new one when needed. Of course, that could just be with the Gawain. We've seen both Cornelia and Suzaku unable to fight after running out of power and not having another energy filler handy. I think they could switch them easily enough.

[squaresphere]

Well the fillers look like cartridges and i think the Lancelot was recharged by the Gawain with a filler swap. Think the ep was when the chinese tried to invade.

[Dann of Thursday]

Yeah, it was episode 20. I think they had a spare all ready for the Gawain during the Black Rebellion. Maybe they were running out of power near the end and that was why they only had one shot on the cannons left.

[miroku2192]

yeah what exactly happened to the gawain after S1?

[Slick_rick]

yeah what exactly happened to the gawain after S1?

It sunk to bottom of the ocean in EP25 with C.C and Orange. No word on if they were able to recover it but its doubtful.

[Terrestrial Dream]

It sunk to bottom of the ocean in EP25 with C.C and Orange. No word on if they were able to recover it but its doubtful. I don't think it will be wise to recover Gawain. The thing seems to be pretty outdated because of mass production of float system, though if it ever came back, which I am hoping it will, needs to get an upgrade like Lancelot and Gurren.

[miroku2192]

I don't think it will be wise to recover Gawain. The thing seems to be pretty outdated because of mass production of float system, though if it ever came back, which I am hoping it will, needs to get an upgrade like Lancelot and Gurren.

yeah i don't really see a point, and what knightmare was lelouch on this time (episode 7 - flying towards suzaku...i don't remember seeing it before) kinda reminded me of the gawain, thats why i rememberd it all of a sudden

[Terrestrial Dream]

yeah i don't really see a point, and what knightmare was lelouch on this time (episode 7 - flying towards suzaku...i don't remember seeing it before) kinda reminded me of the gawain, thats why i rememberd it all of a sudden You mean Vincent, the mass production version of Lancelot?

[miroku2192]

You mean Vincent, the mass production version of Lancelot?

ah right, idk why i kept thinking of gawain, they look very different...maybe it was the golden hands or something like that :heh:

[Dann of Thursday]

I consider the Mordred to be a sort of upgraded version of the Gawain to some degree. I do think Lelouch is going to need a better Knightmare eventually and I hope it's good whatever it is.

[miroku2192]

I consider the Mordred to be a sort of upgraded version of the Gawain to some degree. I do think Lelouch is going to need a better Knightmare eventually and I hope it's good whatever it is.

mordred? is that the one anya uses? thats the only one that sorta reminds me of the gawain

[Dann of Thursday]

Yeah, though I don't think it has the Druid system like Gawain along with how that unit was more built for combat than the Gawain was.

Gawain was a commader unit though and was perfect for him. I hope he either gets an upgraded version or something good at least.

[Renegade334]

If you consider the fact that the Gawain was a two-seater and a commander-type mech, it's safe to assume that the Mordred doesn't have the Druid system. If anything, the amount of space freed up by the computer's absence could be filled with additional armor, micromissile silos and a few spare energy fillers or a bigger Yggdrasil Drive to power the four hadron cannons and the Float system.

The Mordred is obviously an artillery-type machine. It only needs a fire control computer to handle the four cannons, not a machine that processes every SIGINT or C4ISR data from the battlefield. Besides, Anya doesn't strike me as a commander so it's equally unlikely she'd need the Druid in the first place.

[WhiteWings]

Mordred is a heavy assault + artilery support mech. Hit hard and let others do the thinking part.

Anya is the type who'd wipe the floor with the blood of her enemies and still look as if she'd took a sip of coffee during breakfast. A small silent girl but not a pushover.

[Dann of Thursday]

I wonder if Lelouch will ever get another commander unit like the Gawain. So far, it hasn't been as much about battles as politics and plans. I suppose that will change soon enough though and at that point Lelouch is going to need something better.

[Renegade334]

I wonder if Lelouch will ever get another commander unit like the Gawain. So far, it hasn't been as much about battles as politics and plans. I suppose that will change soon enough though and at that point Lelouch is going to need something better.That'd depend on how much money the Chinese could afford for Zero's games - assuming he has secured China's assistance in his soon-to-be world war, they might agree to funding the construction of a new mech...with Rakshata drawing the plans.

I'm not sure for Gawain. One part says it's trashed, buried and forgotten but I still believe Rakshata managed to salvage a few things in order to perfect the Float system. But then again, she could have done that while the Gawain was still in one piece and above the ocean's surface. On the other hand, if Britannia had managed to pull it out of the seabed, it'd explain how they managed to perfect the hadron cannons' dispersion pattern...they reverse-engineered the Gefjun Disturbers.

But, bah, this is speculation. While the delivery and active use of a new mech might be advisable for Lelouch - a commander who likes to be on the front lines while still delivering the coup de grâce - I am not sure the staff will go forward with it.

But then again...it's funded by Sunrise - patron god of mech shows - is it not?

[Dann of Thursday]

I'd say they could probably gain the proper funding needed for such a thing. They need to make all those new Akatsuki Knightmares after all, unless they already got to work on those.

I think it was trashed personally, though it is certainly possible some of what was left could have been salvaged. Jeremiah is back after all, though we don't know the details of that yet. I think she might have kept the data on the Gawain though and was probably in the process of designing and perfecting the Float System to her own use.

It is also possible that Britannia could have salvaged something of the Gawain and thus made the Mordred, though that is anyone's guess at the moment and I'm not sure if we'll even get some sort of answer.

I'd expect some sort new mech for him though.

I wonder if the Order could somehow make the Shen-Hu less dangerous than it seems to be at the moment.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

I'd say they could probably gain the proper funding needed for such a thing. They need to make all those new Akatsuki Knightmares after all, unless they already got to work on those..

Rakshata might've worked on them during the past year. I don't think they've been just sitting around rolling their thumbs all this time... :heh:

[Dann of Thursday]

Of course they haven't. They made the things needed for the Guren's upgrade after all. I think she's been making all these over the year, but isn't done quite yet.

[kk2extreme]

i smell a nuclear weapon in the near future in CG world

[EnKor]

i smell a nuclear weapon in the near future in CG world

I wonder if Nina knows that radiation from unstable isotopes=bad?

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

i smell a nuclear weapon in the near future in CG world

Let's hope not. :upset:

[Kang Seung Jae]

i smell a nuclear weapon in the near future in CG world

An observation that has been made since the end of R1.

[JMvS]

Well at least Turn 8 showed us that also in CG, even if you have enough uranium, a high-tech workshop and Einstein as your last name, there's no way a single high schooler would build a complete nuclear bomb in two days. :D

[ZeroSama]

I was under the impression that the Gawain was completely crushed by the water pressure at the end of R1 so there's no point in recovering it.

Also rember in the episode were the chinese invaded and Laksharta was talking about completing the Hadron cannon she was looking at a full technical schematic of it on screen so instead of upgrading it i would make more sense for her to make a similar type of mech but enhace it with her own tech like giving it shields like Guren .

Also the Gawain was a prototype unit and we all know that in anime that protypes are approximately 100000% better than there mass produced counterparts.

[Dann of Thursday]

Yukana said that was what happened in an interview, though some think she was kidding. I always concluded that it would eventually explode because of water pressure because of how it just kept sinking deeper and deeper.

She does seem to have kept data on it and it would be silly of her not to.

Prototypes are better sometimes because they haven't be streamlined for use with regular soldiers.

[demon_god04]

Prototypes are better sometimes because they haven't be streamlined for use with regular soldiers.

And more often then not are the test bed for new technologies as well.

[Dann of Thursday]

Usually these weapons are more powerful since they haven't been entirely streamlined.

[demon_god04]

Hm is there a reason why Lancelot's rifle isn't an equipment for the Vincent?

[Dann of Thursday]

Perhaps or maybe they haven't found a way to cheaply mass produce it.

[Renegade334]

Yukana said that was what happened in an interview, though some think she was kidding. I always concluded that it would eventually explode because of water pressure because of how it just kept sinking deeper and deeper.Actually it'd implode due to water pressure - the only way for it to explode would be if the sakuradite components get liquefied and suddenly ignited. I remember reading a while ago a theory according to which submarines whose hulls ruptured at excessive depths would find their air instantly igniting due to the pressure change, but I haven't come across material that either confirms or contradicts this. Not to mention that there are very few testimonies about what happens when a sub sinks...and imploding hulls are nearly synonymous of certain, instant death.
Prototypes are better sometimes because they haven't be streamlined for use with regular soldiers.Not to mention that for R&D's sake, they benefit from closer, more thorough maintenance and higher-quality spare parts. Furthermore, prototypes aren't usually handed out to rookies just for the sake of determining whether the new model can be driven/piloted by the first idiot in sight. Either it's an ace behind the controls or it's a veteran. Never a greenhorn.
Perhaps or maybe they haven't found a way to cheaply mass produce it. That, or they do not find the need to mass produce it this soon - their AICW-like (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as72-e.htm) weapon (I know it rather looks like a crossbreed between an MP7 and an XM29 SABR, thank you) still does its job so if it ain't broken, don't fix it...yet. The Float System is much more useful as it provides a dramatic increase in mobility (which is paramount in a war of movement, not to mention field tactics), so I can understand if most of the money was allotted to FS R&D rather than the VARIS. Also, I rather see that rifle as a long range, high-precision weapon, whereas the standard assault rifle can provide higher rates of fire while being more compact...which are two assets I'm certain Knights would appreciate if they are to engage in CQB or in MOUTs (Military Operations in Urban Territory).

[demon_god04]

That, or they do not find the need to mass produce it this soon - their AICW-like (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as72-e.htm) weapon (I know it rather looks like a crossbreed between an MP7 and an XM29 SABR, thank you) still does its job so if it ain't broken, don't fix it...yet. The Float System is much more useful as it provides a dramatic increase in mobility (which is paramount in a war of movement, not to mention field tactics), so I can understand if most of the money was allotted to FS R&D rather than the VARIS. Also, I rather see that rifle as a long range, high-precision weapon, whereas the standard assault rifle can provide higher rates of fire while being more compact...which are two assets I'm certain Knights would appreciate if they are to engage in CQB or in MOUTs (Military Operations in Urban Territory).

I'm not suggesting the Varis should replace their standard rifle, rather that I am wondering why we have not seen a mass production type Varis as an equipment option. The Varis can to comparable damage as their shoulder cannons, yet is more compact. With the introduction of the float system into their forces the Varis is a great support weapon in the air where the shoulder cannon may not be an option.

[Aquaman OS]

Presumably the Varis needs a sturdy frame to handle recoil so a regular mass produced unit couldn't handle it. The only other Britannian unit that could handle it at the moment would be the Vincent and we've only seen two in use so far. Rolo's which carried no optional hand held weapon at all because either Rolo didn't want one or it was a test model and they didn't think to give it one, and Guilford's which has the standard rifle possibly because its what Guilford is more familiar with, since both times its been used a regular rifle would be the better option. Vincent probably could just take a spare Varis if it really needed on like how Lancelot used a regular rifle during the dock battle. Weapon's are swappable.

[Dann of Thursday]

Well, perhaps if the Vincent sees more action in larger numbers on Britannia's side of things we'll see something like the Varis with it.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Well, perhaps if the Vincent sees more action in larger numbers on Britannia's side of things we'll see something like the Varis with it.

Well, I have a feeling the Varis might have being superseded by the Hadron cannon. Even though the Varis could change its offensive output freely, it is probably more practical to have the artillery support and normal rifle separated into different equipment.

Thus, it is possible we might never see Varis again. Perhaps it was originally designed as a stop-gap before the Hadron tech completes.

[jtjr26]

Does Mordred heavy weapon fire a Hadron cannon or is it a powerful beam cannon of some sort? Also in ep6 when Mordred was crushing the Gurren it was slashed right across the torso taking no damage, in previous encounters the sword used by the holy blades slashes through any KMF. Does Mordred just have heavier armor as it seems more of a siege design weapon, or is this a new material making older weapons less effective.

[Kang Seung Jae]

Does Mordred heavy weapon fire a Hadron cannon or is it a powerful beam cannon of some sort?

Four Hadron cannons put together.

[demon_god04]

Also in ep6 when Mordred was crushing the Gurren it was slashed right across the torso taking no damage, in previous encounters the sword used by the holy blades slashes through any KMF. Does Mordred just have heavier armor as it seems more of a siege design weapon, or is this a new material making older weapons less effective.

It seems to be alot bulkier then other KMFs and also the slightly rounder and angled part of the Mordred's armour where the chain katana slashed across may have deflected the blade before it could catch onto it.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

It seems to be alot bulkier then other KMFs and also the slightly rounder and angled part of the Mordred's armour where the chain katana slashed across may have deflected the blade before it could catch onto it.

As it was pointed out in another internet forum, it is a common habit for mecha designers to give the artillery weapon the heaviest armor. The assumption being they can't be that agile due to the oversized weapon anyway, as such mobility is further abandoned intentionally by giving it more armor than other types.

This has nothing to do with real life, but is still an ubiquitous assumption in fiction.

[demon_god04]

It could also be that the heavier armour is to reinforce the frame to absorb the kick of those artillery guns, but yeah that is a common trend for mecha designers.

[Fuzzy_Bunny]

I remember reading somewhere that the VARIS shoots reinforced sakuradite...if that is correct i doubt we will EVER see mass produced VARIS as the whole point of Brittania conquering Japan was to obtain their supply of Sakuradite (a substance that seems to be very valuable in the CG world)

[JackRydden224]

I don't think the Gawain will be back but I'm sure that Lelouch will have another KMF capable of over seeing the entire battle field.

As for VARIS, I think it's more of an ACE-rifle, something only given to ace pilots who will make good use of them. Think the beam rifles in Gundam 0079, they were precious items only given to outstanding pilots or special circumstances. We know how destructive the VARIS, so I doubt the Britannian Army would want nameless soldier A, B and C wielding them around...

[ZeroSama]

Even though the actual mech may have heavy armor the escape block on the Modred seems rather flimsy by comparsion. Probably be a better idea to ram the sword through that and cut the pilot in half rather than bothering with the body.

Hell heavy mech are usually blessed with the pace of a snail and the turning ability of a super tanker so it shouldn't be to difficult for an agile mech to get behind it. Actually sounds like just the job for Rolo, charge in and make her think shes got and easy shot, geass her proceed to blindspot avoiding counter of her Quad Hadron and Hadron missles and gut her from behind for an easy win:p.

Also is it just me or does anyone else think that they should relace the crappy swords that Toudo and his team are using with MVS blades now that Lakshatra will probably be gaining access to the Vincent.

[demon_god04]

They better still keep the katana design for their swords though, I love those chain katanas.

Looking from what we have seen with the Mordred so far, it doesn't seem to be all that slow with it's float unit. Although we haven't really seen it fight all that much, and Anya as not wowed me at all with her piloting skills.

[Dann of Thursday]

Toudou still has that sword of his and it's sort of their thing to have those swords, so I doubt they would not have them anymore. Maybe an upgrade to them or something.

[Jestersage]

Well, now we Know that both the ship and Shinkiro has the Druid system, and with the submarine system, Lelouch don't have to worried about being crushed by water pressure.

[Terrestrial Dream]

Also is it just me or does anyone else think that they should relace the crappy swords that Toudo and his team are using with MVS blades now that Lakshatra will probably be gaining access to the Vincent. Crappy? Are you kidding me? Look at what it could do
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/8853/81480370vq5.gif
:bow::bow:
For me as long as it could own Suzaku it is great weapon

[Dann of Thursday]

Toudou's sword was different from all the others though and it may have recieved some upgrades as well.

[Renegade334]

Crappy? Are you kidding me? Look at what it could do
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/8853/81480370vq5.gif
:bow::bow:
For me as long as it could own Suzaku it is great weaponThe debate was centered around the cutting power between a conventional (heated) chainsaw mechanism and the vibrating energy of a MVS system - if you consider that in S1 the Burai Kai's chain katanas could not pierce through a Gloucester's standard jousting lance but a MVS could cut through a slash harken, there are grounds behind the assumption that chainsaws aren't all that great compared to MVSes.

Last time we saw it in action, a Gekka's chain sword couldn't even dent Mordred's armor. Although there is no footage of the MVS shearing through armor of comparable thickness, one could still assume the chain katanas need more R&D. Seeing that the Radiation Wave uses energy, it might be possible for Rakshata to implement a low-grade spinoff on the said swords, to increase cutter power.
Toudou's sword was different from all the others though and it may have recieved some upgrades as well.Indeed, the blade-mounted thrusters made up for the lack of a chain edge but it seems like it's still the same S1 model and not an upgrade.

[Aquaman OS]

That alone proves Toudou's sword is much stronger though since during his final fight with Guilford in season one he effortlessly chops the lances head off with one hit. Much more powerful.

[Terrestrial Dream]

Toudou's sword was different from all the others though and it may have recieved some upgrades as well. Well I do see that Tohdou's sword was equipped with thrusters.

The debate was centered around the cutting power between a conventional (heated) chainsaw mechanism and the vibrating energy of a MVS system - if you consider that in S1 the Burai Kai's chain katanas could not pierce through a Gloucester's standard jousting lance but a MVS could cut through a slash harken, there are grounds behind the assumption that chainsaws aren't all that great compared to MVSes.

Last time we saw it in action, a Gekka's chain sword couldn't even dent Mordred's armor. Although there is no footage of the MVS shearing through armor of comparable thickness, one could still assume the chain katanas need more R&D. Seeing that the Radiation Wave uses energy, it might be possible for Rakshata to implement a low-grade spinoff on the said swords, to increase cutter power.
Indeed, the blade-mounted thrusters made up for the lack of a chain edge but it seems like it's still the same S1 model and not an upgrade. So that's what you guys were talking about. Well it seems that chain swords are good for the money, as they still do cut pretty decent. While MSV sword probably could cut through nearly anything, it seems that it is really unnecessary expect against really thick armor. The chain sword has no trouble against Lancelot or any other Knighmares, and if the Order do come against knightmares like Morded it has Gurren. In the end I kinda don't see the point of upgrading from chain sword to MSV.

[Dann of Thursday]

Well, they could always go with some hybrid design for the swords that combines both aspects of it.

When it was said they implemented the Gawain's systems into that new ship and the Shinkirou, do they mean the Druid System?

[Renegade334]

Well, they could always go with some hybrid design for the swords that combines both aspects of it.

When it was said they implemented the Gawain's systems into that new ship and the Shinkirou, do they mean the Druid System?Just before the almost-kiss scene, when Toudou chatted with Rakshata. It isn't specified what exactly had been salvaged and transferred away, but one can already consider the Float Pack as a given.

Whether the Druid was relocated on the Ikaruga or whether the hadron cannons were still reusable are both unknown.

[Dann of Thursday]

I know when the scene was. I'd hope she salvaged the Druid System and it makes sense to put it in both the ship and Lelouch's mech.

[JackRydden224]

I know when the scene was. I'd hope she salvaged the Druid System and it makes sense to put it in both the ship and Lelouch's mech.

To my surprise there isn't any concrete information on the Druid system around, not even with Japanese sites. From the little I've got, the Druid system is an analyzer as we have seen Schniezel trying to use to analyze the ruins. It probably isn't too big of a deal for your average KMF but for commander units like Gawain and Shinkirou might use it to analyze the battle field and such.

As for Zangetsu and Gekka Custom's sword, it reminds me of Grungust Reishiki (type 0)'s zankentou, which is a gigantic sword with boosters attached.

[ZeroSama]

Does anyone else think that the the druid system in Lulu's Mirage may be for actual direct comabt purposes?

Say the druid system in the Ikuraga does the processing of the battlefield situation and relays it to his mech while the Mirage's system uses its massive processing power with a combat AI(think mobile dolls from Gundam Wing) therefore avoiding the issues of his crappy reflexs and physique.

It would also fulfill his philosphy that he must be on the battlefield(the King must move or no one will follow) while the keyboard set-up is used to issue orders to its AI i.e. go to point G38 and it kicks the crap out of all before it.

[JackRydden224]

Does anyone else think that the the druid system in Lulu's Mirage may be for actual direct comabt purposes?

Say the druid system in the Ikuraga does the processing of the battlefield situation and relays it to his mech while the Mirage's system uses its massive processing power with a combat AI(think mobile dolls from Gundam Wing) therefore avoiding the issues of his crappy reflexs and physique.

It would also fulfill his philosphy that he must be on the battlefield(the King must move or no one will follow) while the keyboard set-up is used to issue orders to its AI i.e. go to point G38 and it kicks the crap out of all before it.

I honestly don't think it's a good idea for Lelouch to be anywhere near the front line now that we have flying Sutherlands.....

Back in the first season the Gawain was one of the two KMF can fly and the only one to feature the Hadron Cannon giving it a huge advantage but both are gone now. Even if his new KMF is better than the Gawain it's still no match for Amuro Ray and the white death.

It would be cool for the Druid to be like the Zero system though (no pun intended)

[ZeroSama]

My point is that the AI would compensate for his distinctly average skills and underwhelming physical attributes as a pilot. I mean he has a exceptionally quick mind just not the skills to put it into practice.

He doesn't even neccessarily have to get into close combat.

Edit: Also no matter how good a pilot if a machine has a powerfull enough processor and advanced enough AI a human will always be inferior. Also don't say where did it come from in R1 we had the float system and Hadrons magically appear in one episode and expalined away as it had been in the works so why not an AI.

[Dann of Thursday]

It could always work like the Zero system and make suggestions and such, without the insanity at least. He must have some control with that keyboard of his.

I think Lelouch is better suited to ranged combat. The Gawain was a good match for several reason including the fact that Lelouch is poor in close combat. Leave that to Toudou, Rolo, and Kallen. Kallen does have that beam attack now though.

[JackRydden224]

It could always work like the Zero system and make suggestions and such, without the insanity at least. He must have some control with that keyboard of his.

I think Lelouch is better suited to ranged combat. The Gawain was a good match for several reason including the fact that Lelouch is poor in close combat. Leave that to Toudou, Rolo, and Kallen. Kallen does have that beam attack now though.

Agreed on the keyboard. There must be something special about that keyboard.

Lelouch is a pretty smart guy, I don't think he needs the AI to make suggestions for him but if the AI can make up for his average piloting skills it'll be more than enough. He has analyzed Lancelot's movements before so I'm sure he can do the same and program it into his new KMF.

The Gawain was an excellent fit and it gave him a distinct advantage when there was only one other KMF capable of flight, the Lancelot. With the Mirage he has the advantage under water. The Portman (II) is the only other KMF we have seen thus far capable of underwater operations.

[Dann of Thursday]

Didn't the Druid Sytem work through a keyboard? That could have something to do with it.

Perhaps he can, but his body needs to keep up with the program as well I would think. Lelouch's problem is that he may make the same mistake on relying on it too much and thinking his advanced tech will always win, like with Cornelia. He may have learned from that though.

How useful is that sub mode though?

[blitz1/2]

Crappy? Are you kidding me? Look at what it could do
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/8853/81480370vq5.gif
:bow::bow:
For me as long as it could own Suzaku it is great weapon

As long as Suzaku turns the tables around and own Toudou, then Conquista will remain my fav Knightmare but Tristan is also appealing as well.

[Dann of Thursday]

Lancelot always beats everything in the end so you don't have to worry much. I'd rather see him lose to be honest.

[blitz1/2]

Lancelot always beats everything in the end so you don't have to worry much. I'd rather see him lose to be honest.

Sure, make him lose and then make him rise like a phoenix and turn dark.

Does that Chinese Knightmare also have a Hadron/whatever cannon it is called?

[Dann of Thursday]

Or just have him lose and leave it there without him rising.

I think it's another type of Cannon they developed.

[v717]

Has anybody seen this before
http://www.techfresh.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/land-walker-robot_1.jpg
http://www.robotster.org/images/land-walker_69.jpg

[JackRydden224]

Didn't the Druid Sytem work through a keyboard? That could have something to do with it.

Perhaps he can, but his body needs to keep up with the program as well I would think. Lelouch's problem is that he may make the same mistake on relying on it too much and thinking his advanced tech will always win, like with Cornelia. He may have learned from that though.

How useful is that sub mode though?

Yea, I think the Druid system is more of an analyzer rather than a fighting hax so the keyboard would make sense.

The sub mode should be pretty darn useful seeing how we have a lot of carriers and ships around and the portman (II) is the only thing Britannia has to battle underwater. The BK don't have any thing else to protect the Ikaru right now so the Mirage sub mode will serve as its only guard. (I have to say it's weird for the commander to out to protect the ship though....)

[Esper 28]

Has anybody seen this before
http://www.techfresh.net/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/land-walker-robot_1.jpg
http://www.robotster.org/images/land-walker_69.jpg

AT-ST like, whoa.

EDIT: Sorry, I forgot I was on an anime board for a moment and that not everyone here has seen Star Wars, let alone knows what an AT-ST is.

http://www.movie-maniacs.co.uk/images/code3%20at-st.jpg

That's a statue, but it's a great representation of it anyway.

[blitz1/2]

Or just have him lose and leave it there without him rising.

I think it's another type of Cannon they developed.

If Suzaku doesn't rise, then who will be the new pilot that makes Lulu's calculations haywire?

VARIS is semi-automatic right?

EDIT: I can't believe that Sunrise made the Guren MK II aerial type so similar to my Guren Mk III ideas. (but it lacks the second radioactive arm)

[Cherudim Arche]

Wouldn't that mean that Guren loss the very weapon that defines it in combat?:uhoh:

[blitz1/2]

Wouldn't that mean that Guren loss the very weapon that defines it in combat?:uhoh:

My fanfiction idea for the Guren Mk III is this:

it has 2 slash harkens instead of one.

It could fly (jetpack/whatever it's called)

I also made it have 2 arms. (left arm will be season 1 where it is purely short range and right arm is the current one where it do mid to a bit of far range)

[Cherudim Arche]

My fanfiction idea for the Guren Mk III is this:

it has 2 slash harkens instead of one.

It could fly (jetpack/whatever it's called)

I also made it have 2 arms. (left arm will be season 1 where it is purely short range and right arm is the current one where it do mid to a bit of far range)

As long as it doesn't become an overkill unit like Suzaku's unit or worse.:)

[Dann of Thursday]

Yea, I think the Druid system is more of an analyzer rather than a fighting hax so the keyboard would make sense.

The sub mode should be pretty darn useful seeing how we have a lot of carriers and ships around and the portman (II) is the only thing Britannia has to battle underwater. The BK don't have any thing else to protect the Ikaru right now so the Mirage sub mode will serve as its only guard. (I have to say it's weird for the commander to out to protect the ship though....)

I think we have it confirmed for the mech. Still, it is controlled through that keyboard so it probably does more.

But if that's the only thing underwater, then what is there to attack? Most of Britannia seems to prefer the air now.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

I think we have it confirmed for the mech. Still, it is controlled through that keyboard so it probably does more.

But if that's the only thing underwater, then what is there to attack? Most of Britannia seems to prefer the air now.

Most Britannian Knightmare weapons don't work underwater (including Hardon canons). So if the fancy-sounding new cannon Mirage has, can be fired from below the water's surface to strike the flying Knightmares above it, it would be a devastating means of scattering Britannian aerial formation.

(A scene comes to mind in Gundam Seed Destiny, when the upgraded Archangel battleship was able to strike its rival Minerva freely with its railguns under the ocean, while Minerva's mostly beam-weapon based cannons couldn't do anything in retaliation.)

[Dann of Thursday]

I have considered that, but first I'd need to see the Shinkirou in action to verify it can do that. Something would have to be done to make it less powerful though, like one of the Rounds having an underwater Knightmare.

[Aquaman OS]

If Lelouch uses the submarine mode he'll be invincible underwater just because noone will be able to fight him effectively. Assuming it can move quickly in its alternate mode. Even Suzaku would have trouble if only because Lancelot probably can't swim very fast.

I hope this doesn't turn into GSD where all battles have to be at open sea to accomodate the submarine mecha though. That royally sucked.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

If Lelouch uses the submarine mode he'll be invincible underwater just because noone will be able to fight him effectively.

I hope this doesn't turn into GSD where all battles have to be at open sea to accomodate the submarine mecha though. That royally sucked.

It doesn't have to be open-sea all the time. But the ability is important because if BK can control the oceans, Britannia would be unable to safely send reinforcements from Britannia mainland to Area 11.

Think of it like the U-boats.:D

It wouldn't take long for Lloyd to create a countermeasure though, so I don't expect Lulu's advantage to last the entire show.

[Dann of Thursday]

I'd expect something to counter it soon and I would not be surprised if one of the Rounds has a mech that is good for underwater combat. They need to get screentime somehow.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Speaking of tech.

Is there anything special that the Chinese and Britannian infantry wear?

With britannian we know they have scanners, gas masks, and what not though IMO the chinese troops look cooler.

[Ruvixur]

Speaking of tech.

Is there anything special that the Chinese and Britannian infantry wear?

With britannian we know they have scanners, gas masks, and what not though IMO the chinese troops look cooler.

They have spears/halberds :)

[ubiquitial]

Code Geass has the three things every good anime needs

-A deep, recurring theme which has strong moral implications
-A rich, interwoven plotline
-Giant fighting robots

Plus, It embodies my love for mythology, physics, and engineering.

I'll Start with my first (short) essay on technology in Code Geass...





Energy Weaponary in Code Geass


I. Introduction


In the Sunrise anime 'Code Geass', we see many different types of arms used by these supposed 'Knightmare Frame' Mechas. They include Traditional Weaponary such as Rifles and rockets, yet also intresting Desgins for energy ranged weapons.

II. VARIS

The VARIS is the first mentioned Energy weapon from Code Geass. The unique weapon is given to Suzaku Kururugi's Z-01 Lancelot to use as its primary ranged weapon. The VARIS (Variable Ammunition Repulsion Impact Spitfire, Somewhat of an awkward name) appears in a bluish shell supported by a golden frame, with Red shell-like objects protruding from the muzzle. The projectile launched seems to be a green, conical bolt. I Suspect this bolt to be a mass of accelerated neutrons. I base this conclusion on two facts

1. It appears to be heavy, and leaves a trail, as concentrated neutron matter would do

2. It does not 'home in', or curve in its path, suggesting that the bolt is not charged.

The bolt can easily be launched by accelerating Neutrons from a radioactive material (Uranium, Sakurite?) with other, bouncing, neutrons. Or it could be created by squeezing hydrogen atoms together in a torus, Forcing the protons and electrons to fuse into a shard of neutron-star density material.

III. Hardron Cannons

Hadron Cannons are the dominent form of energy weaponary for the Britannians. From the Gawain to the Mordred to the Lancelot Conquista, Hadron cannons have always been the Heavy Assult weapon of choice for the elite. Hadrons are naturally very dense and Bombarding, and they posess a natural charge, often able to disable enemies. Prehaps this was why the Gruen's eject system failed to go off in R2 Episode 6. Around a beam of hadrons, you typically see rings or static, suggesting an electromagnetic field is used to keep the hadrons in place.

IV. Fukushahadō

The Fukushahadō is the right arm attachment for the Guren Type 02. It emits powerful microwave-like energies that disables and fries the metallic components in a knightmare. Found this most pausible. For more information, Throw a CD in your microwave.

V. Diffusion Structure Phase Transition Cannon

The Shinkirō will probrately be able to use the device Underwater. This brings up the question of 'How does the beam stay intact wth all that refraction?'. You would need some kind of infinite energy for the limitless possibilities the water can bring.

I propose two possible solutions.

1. A beam of gluons

Gluons are highly destructive energy particles. They are wild and erratic, leaping all across the place. However, If they are straightened into a beam, they have an advantage: The further they travel, the more energy they have. This would ideally counteract the water's refraction

2. Neutrinos

Neutrinos are the ghost particles with no mass. Well, not 'no mass'. they have a little mass. Now suppose we can get the to 'Phase' into a massive state, They could pass through the water unscathed, but then rematerialize in midair. This is also in accordance with the name of the weapon itself.

[ubiquitial]

Oh, and I Like your insights, Dann of thursday and Renagade


I have a lot more information on the technicals, as well as my own opinions, of code geass

[Dynastya]

I just want to say that CG seems to be implying that the technology in CGverse is more 'green' and environmentally friendly, after all they never seemed to have developed nuclear power (which is NOT 'green' at all) so I wonder why would they want to developed an atomic weapon (apart from the obvious fact that it can be a very powerful weapon in your arsenal, and it's quite possible that they aren't yet aware of the environmental impact of nuclear technology).

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

I just want to say that CG seems to be implying that the technology in CGverse is more 'green' and environmentally friendly, after all they never seemed to have developed nuclear power (which is NOT 'green' at all) so I wonder why would they want to developed an atomic weapon (apart from the obvious fact that it can be a very powerful weapon in your arsenal, and it's quite possible that they aren't yet aware of the environmental impact of nuclear technology).

Environmental issues are irrelevant when large chunks of the planet are barren warzones.

There is nothing "clean" about the Code Geass lifestyle either; it's just that all the waste and garbage are dumped where the poor people live, and they are out of sight.

And nuclear is clean. Cities near Chernobyl might be emptied of people, but quite a beautiful forest is growing there now. Nature don't give a damn about radiation; mutations are quite normal and acceptable to wildlife. If anything, Chernobyl is now nature's paradise where humans fear to tread.

[Sotobrastos]

I wonder why would they want to developed an atomic weapon (apart from the obvious fact that it can be a very powerful weapon in your arsenal, and it's quite possible that they aren't yet aware of the environmental impact of nuclear technology).

Probably because of Sakuradite. Britannia already possessed a huge military advantage with their Knightmare frames.

[Renegade334]

I just want to say that CG seems to be implying that the technology in CGverse is more 'green' and environmentally friendly, after all they never seemed to have developed nuclear power (which is NOT 'green' at all) so I wonder why would they want to developed an atomic weapon (apart from the obvious fact that it can be a very powerful weapon in your arsenal, and it's quite possible that they aren't yet aware of the environmental impact of nuclear technology).I'm certain using burning gasses and other fossil fuels that dump thousands of liters of carbon dioxyde in the atmosphere should be blindly considered a green, 'safe' alternative. I don't wish to turn this thread into a nuclear vs. biofuels political bitchfest, but there are reasons as to why nuclear energy is still being kept around - one of them being an issue of power output.

Anyway, the world seems to have opted for giant solar cells and alternative power sources like the Yggdrasil drives, but so far there hasn't been any deep insight on what the engineers came up with. After all, they followed a different course of technological evolution - and it is highly possible they discovered alternate means of producing energy. Hell, for all I care, they could've even dug deep wells in the ground to draw heat from crust's lower levels, or built dams everywhere (despite the impact on the local biosphere) or created giant turbines using the waves' energy to produce an electrical current. Since CG seems heavy on supraconductivity R&D, I wouldn't be surprised if RL methods that have very low productivity yields work just fine in CG.

As for a nuke being a 'dirty' bomb (if you ask me, that's a scandalous redundancy) and the Britannians not knowing it? I doubt that. If Nina's managed to discover the fact that an uranium atom splits when hit by a neutron, I'm sure she would also have discovered that at each impact, energy is released. Among other things. The tech level seems fairly advanced, so the likelihood of the CG engineers being cautious or forewarned of their weapons' lethality is already quite high.

[Sotobrastos]

As for a nuke being a 'dirty' bomb (if you ask me, that's a scandalous redundancy) and the Britannians not knowing it? I doubt that. If Nina's managed to discover the fact that an uranium atom splits when hit by a neutron, I'm sure she would also have discovered that at each impact, energy is released. Among other things. The tech level seems fairly advanced, so the likelihood of the CG engineers being cautious or forewarned of their weapons' lethality is already quite high.

Well, we do know from season one that Britannian engineers--or at least Lloyd--understand the possibilities of nuclear weapons (judging from his panicked reaction when Nina pops up at Ashford during the rebellion).

[JMvS]

Environmental issues are irrelevant when large chunks of the planet are barren warzones.

There is nothing "clean" about the Code Geass lifestyle either; it's just that all the waste and garbage are dumped where the poor people live, and they are out of sight.

And nuclear is clean. Cities near Chernobyl might be emptied of people, but quite a beautiful forest is growing there now. Nature don't give a damn about radiation; mutations are quite normal and acceptable to wildlife. If anything, Chernobyl is now nature's paradise where humans fear to tread.

Even if they had been shown to be powering their grids with solar pannels and their vehicles being electric, their world may be even less green than ours, as they are already mining methane hydrates, something we aren't already doing.

Well warzones depleted of human presence are also quite good for the wildlife: the DMZ in Cyprus and Korea are good examples of nature haven, as was the delta in Cambodia before their economy started recovering.

[ZeroSama]

The lancelot deserves to get a serious kicking for being so hax. I mean its about time that the thing got totaled and Suzaku lost in a fight for change because it'll start to wear thin otherwise if it hasn't already for us non-Suzaku fans.

Also i think that the Mirage needs to be uberhax to balance out against Britannaia's list of uber mechs(KOR's, Siegfried and the other "special" mechs that some spoilers have been alluded too). I mean up until the last episode the BK have only had 1 with the Guren.

Also for the phasing debate if it had a phase transistion cannon that moved the projectile in and out of phase wouldn't it also make sense for it to be applied to the mech itself so it could be invulnerable i.e. any attack would pass through it. If its true then it would really live up to the name Mirage and be the "ultimate" defensive system because it is meant to be a fortress class mech with a strong defense.

[Renegade334]

Even if they had been shown to be powering their grids with solar pannels and their vehicles being electric, their world may be even less green than ours, as they are already mining methane hydrates, something we aren't already doing.The chief reason for that is that methane hydrates are situated around the continental slopes, which is already quite deep, especially for industrial equipment and crews. As such, it's not exactly easy to erect rigs at that depth, although there are plans to place automated pumps/wells to remove the human factor and have it proceed smoothly in the long run, but R&D is moving slowly for safety reasons.

Furthermore, methane hydrates and methane ice act anchors for the said continental slopes (which are pockmarked with those methane reservoirs); should the gasses escape or be removed too recklessly, there would be a risk of shelf collapse and we all know what it'd mean. The consequences' gravity would depend on where in the world the disaster originated from - and let's be direct, tidal waves have a long reach (and, make no mistake, shelf collapses can be quite impressive - just take a look at the 'Storegga Slide' and you'll see what I mean).

However, it is well-known that the methane reserves in the Atlantic Ocean can easily supply the U.S. with an alternate source of energy for I don't know how many decades, but once again, safe extraction is a technical issue. And the companies are paying attention to it, both in order not to be sorry afterwards and for PR purposes.

In the CG world, it appears they have overcome that barrier thanks to their superior technology.

[JMvS]

My point is that as they have been shown to mine methane hydrates which are very diffult and expensive to exploit, that would mean that all the easier to reach fossiles fuels are already exhausted.

[Dann of Thursday]

I'm not sure if this question applies really, but is there something familiar about the Shinkirou or is it just me? It's not just that it is a bit similar to the Gawain either. I don't know, is it that the head seems similar to the Guren's?

[blitz1/2]

As long as it doesn't become an overkill unit like Suzaku's unit or worse.:)

Only against a grunt of Britannian or a regular Brotherhood soldier (my faction)

But it stands a small advantage against the Venge (my OC's main Frame)

Venge

weapons/armanents:
- 2 VARIS Mk II
- 2 MSV swords
- 2 detachable knee caps (missiles)
- 4 MSV shields (1 on each limb)
- 2 anti-infantry vulcans mounted on head.
- 6 slash harkens (2 on forearm, 2 on shoulder and 2 on hips)

[Dream_Traveller]

Would you mind me saying, unabashedly, that the 'Venge' looks so overkill, more so than even the Lancelot, that its weapons payload is almost laughably too much?

[Renegade334]

I'm not sure if this question applies really, but is there something familiar about the Shinkirou or is it just me? It's not just that it is a bit similar to the Gawain either. I don't know, is it that the head seems similar to the Guren's?Not sure, perhaps the faceplate does offer reminiscences of the Guren but aside from that, I don't see many physical likenesses between the two.

Personally I believe the helm design (especially the back of the head and those cheek guard/pad things) resembles that of Evangelion Unit 01, minus the grinning face. But that's just me.
weapons/armanents:
- 2 VARIS Mk II
- 2 MSV swords
- 2 detachable knee caps (missiles)
- 4 MSV shields (1 on each limb)
- 2 anti-infantry vulcans mounted on head.
- 6 slash harkens (2 on forearm, 2 on shoulder and 2 on hips)
*Blink*
...
Overkill. This is not Char's Counterattack or Gundam SEED Destiny, you know. Too many weapons on a small frame - even the Gawain that was still larger than a standard KMF had modest armaments compared to what the staff could have slapped on it. Greater firepower made up for the lighter panoply, but that was it (excluding, of course, the fact that it was a commander unit in the first place and not a close-combat model like the Lancelot).

And, uhm, last thing - it's not 'MSV sword' but 'MVS'. MVS stands for 'maser vibration sword' so adding 'sword' behind is actually a redundancy.

[Dann of Thursday]

That's what it was!! I was getting weird vibes from the head being similar to Eva 01. It also seems to have characteristics of the Guren as well.

[Renegade334]

Well, it's normal the Shinkirou's head unit has an air of familiarity - after all, it remotely looks like a samurai's helmet (and I believe GAINAX and Ikuto Yamashita subtly incorporated a samurai's features in Unit 01's head design), and the prominent forehead seems like a faraway echo of the departed Gawain, while the pointed, triangular face guard bears likenesses to both the Guren's and even the Vincent's.

Heck, you know, many modern day robots/mechas draw their ancestry from Japanese samurai imagery - even Hasbro had Optimus Prime's appearance in the Transformers live movie harken back to those faraway roots (let's not forget that Takara, Ltd. was the one who originally created the concept, before it was licensed to Hasbro) as a homage to the franchise's past and evolution. It becomes even more blatant once you see the concept art (http://www.benprocter.com/SITEv2/HTML/PROJPAGE_Trans_03.html).

[Dann of Thursday]

I think it may be how it seems like it has something of a neck on it and how the head looks like it hangs down. They may have simply though about doing a redesigned Gawain that would be more in the style of the Guren and such.

[blitz1/2]

Not sure, perhaps the faceplate does offer reminiscences of the Guren but aside from that, I don't see many physical likenesses between the two.

Personally I believe the helm design (especially the back of the head and those cheek guard/pad things) resembles that of Evangelion Unit 01, minus the grinning face. But that's just me.

*Blink*
...
Overkill. This is not Char's Counterattack or Gundam SEED Destiny, you know. Too many weapons on a small frame - even the Gawain that was still larger than a standard KMF had modest armaments compared to what the staff could have slapped on it. Greater firepower made up for the lighter panoply, but that was it (excluding, of course, the fact that it was a commander unit in the first place and not a close-combat model like the Lancelot).

And, uhm, last thing - it's not 'MSV sword' but 'MVS'. MVS stands for 'maser vibration sword' so adding 'sword' behind is actually a redundancy.

The Venge is a prototype unit based on Britannian mech data.

The Venge is a fast close range combat type. It is almost like an upgraded Lancelot. HOWEVER, its energy's capacity is less, therefore the VARIS uses up more energy and therefore must be dumped after around 10 shots (not sure how many times Lancelot can shoot).

Also, his speed is 1.2 X faster than the Lancelot. HOWEVER, his armor is as weak as a grunt which is the reason why there are multiple MV shields around the limbs.

In the fanfiction, the Venge was based on data captured from Lloyd when he was killed in the Black Rebellion (fans, please don't kill me). It uses many experimental technology from Lancelot but later customed by the OC himself.

The slash harkens are just there to backup the VARIS once it runs out of energy. Most of the time, Shen/Shin (OC) hardly uses the slash harkens or the detachable kneecaps because he is a sword fighter.

Regarding the VARIS MK II, think of it as similar to Wing Zero's buster rifle. It detaches and combines (therefore 2 rifles, where it is lacks as much of a punch compared to the original VARIS (the Brotherhood does not have a giant supply of Sakuradite) it fires faster compared to the VARIS.

AND Shen/Shin is not as hax compared to the original characters of gundam or Code Geass (however, he will improve as time goes on and gains some more experience). The Venge got nearly trashed against the Vincent, Guren Mk III (on its first encounter) and lost limbs against Toudou.

So, even though Venge is almost a closeweapon powerhouse, it is nowhere invincible.






Note: Shen is OC's real name, Shin is his Brotherhood identity.

[Cherudim Arche]

The Venge is a prototype unit based on Britannian mech data.

The Venge is a fast close range combat type. It is almost like an upgraded Lancelot. HOWEVER, its energy's capacity is less, therefore the VARIS uses up more energy and therefore must be dumped after around 10 shots (not sure how many times Lancelot can shoot).

Also, his speed is 1.2 X faster than the Lancelot. HOWEVER, his armor is as weak as a grunt which is the reason why there are multiple MV shields around the limbs.

In the fanfiction, the Venge was based on data captured from Lloyd when he was killed in the Black Rebellion (fans, please don't kill me). It uses many experimental technology from Lancelot but later customed by the OC himself.

The slash harkens are just there to backup the VARIS once it runs out of energy. Most of the time, Shen/Shin (OC) hardly uses the slash harkens or the detachable kneecaps because he is a sword fighter.

Regarding the VARIS MK II, think of it as similar to Wing Zero's buster rifle. It detaches and combines (therefore 2 rifles, where it is lacks as much of a punch compared to the original VARIS (the Brotherhood does not have a giant supply of Sakuradite) it fires faster compared to the VARIS.

AND Shen/Shin is not as hax compared to the original characters of gundam or Code Geass (however, he will improve as time goes on and gains some more experience). The Venge got nearly trashed against the Vincent, Guren Mk III (on its first encounter) and lost limbs against Toudou.

So, even though Venge is almost a closeweapon powerhouse, it is nowhere invincible.






Note: Shen is OC's real name, Shin is his Brotherhood identity.

For the Venge, I am surprised that even for a prototype that gets trash quite often not to under go any upgrade, even if it is minor. :uhoh:

[Yu Ominae]

Speaking of tech.

Is there anything special that the Chinese and Britannian infantry wear?

With britannian we know they have scanners, gas masks, and what not though IMO the chinese troops look cooler.

They look the same, but the armor of the CF infantry seems to be a bit bulkier that they remind me of samurais.

Aside from broadswords and all, they do have small arms too.

[blitz1/2]

For the Venge, I am surprised that even for a prototype that gets trash quite often not to under go any upgrade, even if it is minor. :uhoh:

If it were a standard battle, yes Venge would normally come out on top.

But we are talking about facing aces here. And also, I am not a person who makes up OCs/mechs that would be invincible against the original cast.

Venge will get an upgrade but not yet as of current state.

Other Frames I made up:

- Kaisers (Brotherhood experimental attack Knightmare)
- Screkils (Neo-Britannian/Order of Black Knights Heavy assault Knightmare)
- Demon (Special S-human-use (Geass contracted) Frame)

When I make up Knightmares, I think of the factions' battle tactics

For Lelouch's Order of Black Knight and his Neo Britannia empire, they have gained access to most of the former Britannian mechs and they focus on mass power and sheer numbers with brilliant commanders.
(The Order are his elite guard, practically)

For the Brotherhood, they use the Order's old tactics and as well as perfecting hit, run and stealth tactics as well as useing speed to advantage.

Both factions also discovered the important use of S-humans for their war machines.

[ubiquitial]

Umm.....Can i get some opinions on my essay?

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Umm.....Can i get some opinions on my essay?

Ah, yes. You must be new here.

That wasn't a bad post, but you got to realize people are free to reply to posts that interests them.

People will reply when they want to. In the mean time, expecting instant gratification is a sure fire road to disappointment.

...asking someone to reply, however, only makes it worse.:eyespin:

[ubiquitial]

If they did have a new britannian model, at least let it conform to celtic mythology.

Maybe Merlin?
Or Morgan?
Or the Green Knight?

[Renegade334]

The christening pattern doesn't revolve around the Celts but rather the Arthurian lore and the Knights of the Round Table. But that's just for the one-of-a-kinds like the Gawain or the Lancelot.

Aside from that, the MP mechs seem to be named after cities, districts, counties or possibly famous generals like John Vincent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Vincent_%28general%29) (that's my hypothesis - it could very well be another Vincent or some countryside agglomeration that I don't know of).

And, uhm, just a question, blitz1/2 - if it doesn't bother you, could you ask those questions in the fanfiction discussion thread? I don't mind discussing related technology here for the sake of argumenting and all that, but I believe you could also get some feedback and advice from the aforementioned dedicated thread.

[Ruvixur]

The christening pattern doesn't revolve around the Celts but rather the Arthurian lore and the Knights of the Round Table. But that's just for the one-of-a-kinds like the Gawain or the Lancelot.

Aside from that, the MP mechs seem to be named after cities, districts, counties or possibly famous generals like John Vincent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Vincent_%28general%29) (that's my hypothesis - it could very well be another Vincent or some countryside agglomeration that I don't know of).

And, uhm, just a question, blitz1/2 - if it doesn't bother you, could you ask those questions in the fanfiction discussion thread? I don't mind discussing related technology here for the sake of argumenting and all that, but I believe you could also get some feedback and advice from the aforementioned dedicated thread.

I would say that Vincent comes from latin word vincere, which means "winning", "conquering"

[Isegrim]

The name "Vincent" became popular because of Vincent of Saragossa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_of_Saragossa).
As far as I know, there is no source for the War of 1812 concerning the Geass-Universe. The main reason for that conflict was the UK being busy with Napoleon, and the U.S.A. wanted to take a chance; but I'm not really good at American History.

[blitz1/2]

The christening pattern doesn't revolve around the Celts but rather the Arthurian lore and the Knights of the Round Table. But that's just for the one-of-a-kinds like the Gawain or the Lancelot.

Aside from that, the MP mechs seem to be named after cities, districts, counties or possibly famous generals like John Vincent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Vincent_%28general%29) (that's my hypothesis - it could very well be another Vincent or some countryside agglomeration that I don't know of).

And, uhm, just a question, blitz1/2 - if it doesn't bother you, could you ask those questions in the fanfiction discussion thread? I don't mind discussing related technology here for the sake of argumenting and all that, but I believe you could also get some feedback and advice from the aforementioned dedicated thread.

Sorry, no problem. I'll continue asking there.

[aurr]

Hey what is this Verge everyone is talking about? It is from the DS game, righ?

[Ruvixur]

Hey what is this Verge everyone is talking about? It is from the DS game, righ?

Its from blitz1/2 fanfiction :rolleyes:

[fruitcage]

Umm.....Can i get some opinions on my essay?

Your idea about Neutrinos is possible, but the problem is how to make them destructive. They do have different "flavors" as the particle oscillates and if the mech designers thought of "flavors" as "modes" instead, then, again, its possible to make the Neutrino particles destructive as the particle changes from one "mode" to the other.

Problem is thinking of a reasonable yet not too crazy idea on how to make the particles change "modes" or even have all three "modes" activated simultaneously. Remember Geass does have believable weapons with reasonable explanations. [At this point of any of you are lost, might as well research on Neutrinos. Definition and principles behind it is too complex to post here. :heh: ]

I had another theory about the Diffusion Phase Transfer Cannon in the Spoiler and Speculation Thread.

Hopefully We can see Mirage's ultimate attack.

Regarding the name, Koshimizu, translated it to "Diffusion," while Ashlay's post translated it as "Scattering."

I change my hypothesis that Diffusion does not apply to the object being hit, but to the beam itself. Since Diffusion is particles moving, from their own thermal vibrations, from High to low, its possible that the beam particles itself "spreads" or "expands." I just combined the ideal behind "Diffusion" and the definition of "Scattering."

I still believe it has the Radiation Wave properties, but with added features. The Diffusion of the beam and either the phase changing of the object or phase changing of the beam, allowing to to traverse boundaries such as shields, water, etc.

I realize this should be in Tech discussion, but we had a mini-tech discussion a few pages back that I wanted to add to.

[ubiquitial]

Firstly, if they can neutralize Higgs Fields (float Unit), they can cause neutrinos to become massive

Then, Fruitcake, The changing of the frequency of the beam will not do much (until you get it to a Filament-plasma, with an energy of 10^26 electron volts), so Perhaps the beam adjusts it's refraction index?

Thirdly, Authurian lore borrows heavily from both celtic and roman legends, and the standard units are often named after various things asscosiating with Great britain

Sutherland is a name for an area of scotland and those that reside there

Gloucester is the name of England, and lies close to welsh
-plus, it is a major center of aerospace engineering

[stormturmoil]

One thing I could see happening in the next generation or two of Knightmare Frame developments, if the size and efficiency of Float system units continues to improve, is the integration of Float system into the Knightmare Frame backpack as standard, and the evolution of the ejection system into a core-fighter-ish fully contained limited flight capable escape unit, particularly for aerial units.

Not that we'll likely see this, as it'd probably be something on the order of 10th or 11th gen before such a thing could easily be phased in, but it does seem a probable development

[Jestersage]

One thing I could see happening in the next generation or two of Knightmare Frame developments, if the size and efficiency of Float system units continues to improve, is the integration of Float system into the Knightmare Frame backpack as standard, and the evolution of the ejection system into a core-fighter-ish fully contained limited flight capable escape unit, particularly for aerial units.

Not that we'll likely see this, as it'd probably be something on the order of 10th or 11th gen before such a thing could easily be phased in, but it does seem a probable development

Well, crazy nina is developing Nuclear energy, and if that is successful...

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Well, crazy nina is developing Nuclear energy, and if that is successful...

The main problem with nuclear technology, is that it needed significant radiation shielding to be used safely as a mecha powersource. In giant robots like Gundams and in vehicles like submarines and aircraft carriers, it is alright. But Knights are so tiny by giant robot standards that I am not sure a nuclear reactor can fit.

[Dann of Thursday]

Was the Gawain of the size that would be needed for a reactor?

And speaking of size, does the Shinkirou seem to be as large as the Gawain or smaller as a whole?

[Jestersage]

Was the Gawain of the size that would be needed for a reactor?

And speaking of size, does the Shinkirou seem to be as large as the Gawain or smaller as a whole?

Appearantly the same size as standard knigthmare frame
As for shielding, considering that Fukshahado is "radiation", perhaps they could employ the same technology in shielding. We know that Gefun can also help concentrate Hadron cannon, meaning it must have something to reflect those particles.

[Renegade334]

The official site's mecha (http://geass.jp/world_04.html) and vehicle (http://geass.jp/world_05.html) section have been updated with profiles and lineart for the Shinkirou (http://geass.jp/img/mecha_b_05.jpg), Ikaruga (http://geass.jp/img/mecha_b_05.jpg) and Leung Tan (http://geass.jp/img/mecha_b_06.jpg).

Interestingly, the Shinkirou is described as 'supplied with absolute defense'. Which either means Rakshata has found an active deception system which automatically puts it out of harm's way or she perfected her defense-oriented Radiation Wave emitter and implemented it on the Shinkirou. No word about offensive weapons, though.

As for the Leung Tan, it can apparently move over water - which means it has hovercraft abilities.

I posted some of the Animage material on mahq and here is what AmuroNT1 lifted from it:
-There is indeed a final mass production version of the Vincent, apparently named Vincent Ward. If I read the pic right, it loses the needle blazer in favor of tonfa.
-The Vincent has landspinners in its shoulders (!).
-The name for Tristan's polearm is simply "MVS spear type".

-Interestingly enough, the Shenhu's knife can have the blade extend from either the standard position or the hilt.
-Its landspinners are referred to by that scan as "rollerblade-type landspinners".
Anyway, it looks like the Needle Blazer is still too expensive/sophisticated to be mass produced. Only commanders and aces have access to it now.

[Ruvixur]

By the way, if there is a Radiation wave, what's the problem with constructing Nuclear Bomb?

[KrimzonStriker]

Did anyone else note that Shen Shu can emitt an electrical shock through his Slash Harkens which was only stopped by Kallen's mini radiation wave in her other arm? :confused:

[Kaze]

Did anyone else note that Shen Shu can emitt an electrical shock through his Slash Harkens which was only stopped by Kallen's mini radiation wave in her other arm? :confused:

Yeah, I just thought it was natural,

something weird about it?

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

By the way, if there is a Radiation wave, what's the problem with constructing Nuclear Bomb?

No problem at all. But that has nothing to do with what we were talking about, which was squeezing a nuclear powerplant into a tiny Knightmare.

Assuming shielding issues are resolved via Code Geass supertech, there is still a problem using a nuclear reactor. A long time ago I had proposed the reason Knightmares got created because their universe had extremely advanced fuelcell tech. We certainly can't imitate the Knightmare battery in the real world using anything we have. In fact, their fuel cells are so advanced that I don't see any immediate benefit in replacing them with a crude nuclear reactor.

I doubt a nuclear power generator would be created in R2. There is no immediate need for one, and whatever uranium sitting around would probably be used for bombs first and foremost.

[squaresphere]

I did think it was weird that the Guren was about to do a radiation wave with it's other arm. Maybe it's not as useless as it appears to be.

The other thing that confused me was the Gurren looked like it launched normal missiles rather than the engine stopping things that froze the Lancelot. I guess for normal operation missions it makes more sense.

[KrimzonStriker]

Yeah, I just thought it was natural,

something weird about it?

Not really, I just thought it was a bit hard to spot at first so I wondered if some people might have missed it :p

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Yeah, I just thought it was natural,

something weird about it?

I don't think we were expecting the Guren to be packing another radiation wave in it's other arm.

[Dann of Thursday]

I was surprised at that myself, but I suppose it makes sense for her to have another one.

[blitz1/2]

So Shen Hu has 2 "sea serpents/heat rods".

[SoldierOfDarkness]

I was surprised at that myself, but I suppose it makes sense for her to have another one.

But there's nothing in her hand to indicate she has one unless it's a weak one (backup).

Though Lancelot has some sort of shield/emitter on it's legs which Suzaku used against Toudo.

[Dann of Thursday]

I assumed it was a weaker version. I would think only the full arm would have the real power in it.

[ZeroSama]

The shields on the Lancelot legs looked like they were intended to be more like blades to me than actual shields(lacked the proper coverage to be truly effective as shields).

Also in EP 10 when Li Xinge Ke said "it was only at 40% power. Those Eunnch's created a monster" was he refering to the mech itself or its cannon that he used to toast the vangaurd of the Ikaruga?

[Dann of Thursday]

Well, for one they weren't the ones who made it. That was all Raksharta's work. I don't know what it was in reference to, but I think it was the mech itself.

[blitz1/2]

Well, for one they weren't the ones who made it. That was all Raksharta's work. I don't know what it was in reference to, but I think it was the mech itself.

Maybe Rak... made the blueprints but it was the Eunichs who found it and produced it. Now if only they can mass produce it...

[Dann of Thursday]

No, she said that she and her team built it, but that they didn't know how China got it.

[PzIVf3]

There something new weapon installed at the Shinkirou called
Diffusion Structure Phase Transition Cannon i dont know whats that mean.

[Dann of Thursday]

It's probably just an upgraded Hadron Cannon. I remember it being said that the Ikaruga had the same weapon and we saw they had Hadron Cannons on the ship. That's probably all it is.

[bladeofdarkness]

they said they had the same system
and i think they ment the druid system and not the cannons

[Dann of Thursday]

I was speaking of info from the magazines that spoke of weapons, not the show itself.

[squaresphere]

I don't understand why the Hardon Cannons take so long to recharge now. On the Gawin they could almost be fired continuously. There's no way a Frame that has to rely on energy fillers has a greater output then a ship.

[Dann of Thursday]

Perhaps the Cannons on the ship are a more powerful version that requires some downtime.

[Ketro]

Perhaps the Cannons on the ship are a more powerful version that requires some downtime.

Seeing power of the Ikaruga and the Avalon's cannons, that is probably true.

[Dann of Thursday]

Have we ever seen the Avalon's cannons used? I remember the missles being used at some point, but I can't remember of the cannon was.

I'm curious how powerful the Shinkirou's cannons are. They can't be the type that need a recharge or else the combat effectiveness of the mech will be lowered by a lot.

[stormturmoil]

The Avalon's Hadron cannons were first used during the stand off on Kamenajima, when Lelouch first Geassed Kuzaku, but while impressively destructive were terribly indiscriminate. we only got to see that one volley.

similarly, Zero made a point of referring to them as wide area scattering Hadron Cannons on the Ikaruga, so there may be additional mechanisms compared to the Gawain's units, which may limit their rate of fire.

[demon_god04]

Those where not the Avalon's hadron cannons, they were the Gawain's.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c371/demongod03/Gawain.jpg

Screenshot from right before "Avalon's hadron cannons" fired

[Ketro]

Well, maybe the ships need more power directed towards actually maintaining its flight for days, where knightmares must recharge after a heated battle, which lasts for less than 30 min Im sure. (Im sure there are exceptions, I just cant think of any right now).

[bladeofdarkness]

given that rakshata was the one who perfected it using her gefun tech its possible they dont have it (ship mounted that is)

[Aquaman OS]

Avalon doesn't have a hadron cannon at the moment. That's pretty clear.

[demon_god04]

What weapons does the Avalon have if any?

[Dann of Thursday]

What weapons does the Avalon have if any?

I believe it has missle pods for sure. I could have sworn there was some of cannon on it though I don't think it was ever used.

[demon_god04]

The bottom front of it looks like a cannon on a turret, but I didn't want to make that assumption considering I have never seen them use it. Were the missle pods ever used? I dont recall a scene where the Avalon actually did any fighting.

[Terrestrial Dream]

According to MAHQ Unit type: aerial battleship
Overall length: 200 meters (approximate)
Equipment: energy shield, Float System, linear catapult
Armament: 76mm cannon x 1, CIWS x many, missile launcher x many
Captain(s): Schneizel El Britannia, Lloyd Asplund
So it does have few weapons but it is lacking.

[Dann of Thursday]

That's what I thought it was as well, but you are right that we shouldn't make any assumptions. I don't remember if the missle pods were used. I think they were at least once, but I may be wrong. I don't think it ever did any fighting.

It was never meant for fighting anyway.

[bladeofdarkness]

the shield system is the same as the lancelot (loyd said so)
and the lancelot cant hold against the hadron (ep 23)
so unless its a much stronger version ?

[Dann of Thursday]

It may be more powerful I suppose. Upgrades could have been made as well.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

It may be more powerful I suppose. Upgrades could have been made as well.

Well, if Zero's ship can have a hidden ace, why not Schneizel's as well? :uhoh:

[Dann of Thursday]

Wouldn't surprise me, though I'm not sure what they could have exactly.

[Ketro]

I would consider the Avalon more of a forward command aircraft. Most of the things we have seen from the Avalon are just the shield and the knightmare launch platform.

[Dann of Thursday]

Well, that is mainly what it is for I think. It does have weapons, if minimal ones, to protect itself though.

[Renegade334]

Well, considering that the Avalon is one of the first floating warships ever built - if not the first, period - it doesn't surprise me if the engineers didn't bother loading it with a flurry of weapons. After all, it serves as both a command/flagship and a technology testbed (and its shield system makes up for its lack of armements), whereas the Ikaruga was built with the direct intent of being an aircraft carrier. The former had yet to prove itself while the latter already benefitted from combat-proven technology.

The later Logres and Caerleon classes carry more weapons but they are expendable units that should be able to defend themselves against enemy attacks, while the Avalon can just sit them out thanks to its all-encompassing MVS shround. Furthermore, the Avalon seems to be an occasional home to Knights of Rounds, so I wouldn't be surprised if it relied on others' strengths rather than its own.But anyway, nothing says that it wasn't upgraded during the last year...it could very well have a hadron cannon hidden somewhere or have a few Float-enabled Gloucesters in its hull.

[ubiquitial]

Knightmare Equiptment in Code Geass .I


I. Introduction

We see many intresting weapons in Code Geass, but we should not overlook the many technological miracles we find in the equiptment of the knightmares.

II. MSV Particle Shielding

One of the pinnicles of Britannian Technology, MSV shields deflect bullets using a layer of particles. However, the particles must have a certain mass, or else the projectile will pass right through. The particles have to be charged, or else they will not arrange themselves into the flattened shape of the shield. I propose that the shields, in fact, Are composed of H+ Ions (protons) stripped from the air. But a shield of static protons stacked together is incredibly massive. Near impossible to lift. Thus, the shield probrately uses a mechinism that forces proton beams together, then passes it through a type of filter which then spreads it like one of those circular sprinkler systems, before having the beams forced back with an Electromagnetic field. This way, its light, yet still deflects enemy projectiles.

III. Float Units

A Higgs-field neutralizer. Here, I assume you know what a Higgs field is. But to neutralize one, that would use an astronomical amount of energy and the production of vacum energy, a direct opposite of energy which Curves space-time up instead of forcing it down like all mass. But not too stray to far into Enistein's General Relativity (God does play dice with the universe), The Float unit would have to cause a small portion of space-time to be lifted up, neutralizing the mass of the knightmare. This, again, would take a incredibly large amount of energy, possible explanation for the small energy 'pane' we see in the Lancelot's experimental Float System. But, as technology advances, the black knights can create larger 'panes' of reverse Higgs fields, allowing for more agility and speed.

IV. Gejifun Disturber

Rakashata's Gejifun Disturber seems identical to a electromagnetic pulse, often created by power surges or Nuclear weapons. This also explains how the Gawain's cannons were perfected. As I have stated before, a strong electromagnetic field would be needed to keep the Hadron beams stable and stop them from easily diffusing.

[PzIVf3]

Whats the name of the weapon that Vincent using some kind of elbow energy blow?

[ashlay]

Whats the name of the weapon that Vincent using some kind of elbow energy blow?
Needle Blazer

http://www.1999.co.jp/dbimages/user/hobby/itbig/10069516a2.jpg

[~Greed~]

Needle Blazer

http://www.1999.co.jp/dbimages/user/hobby/itbig/10069516a2.jpg

it comes with the wrong float pack:heh:

[ashlay]

it comes with the wrong float pack:heh:
it doesn't come with a float pack at all. It's just showing you that if you happen to own a Lancelot Air Calvary model, you can steal the float pack and throw it on the Vincent.

[Dann of Thursday]

They basically just want to convince you to buy both models.

That Needle Blazer attack is rather impractical though. I would think especially in air combat.

[PzIVf3]

I kind of like the Needle Blazer is indeed deadly at close range but lack of range in order to get closer as quickly without hitting it.

[Dann of Thursday]

It's impractical in combat with multiple foes like an army. One or two and it would work fine though.

[Renegade334]

For a mere Knight, perhaps, but for a seasoned soldier like a unit commander or an ace, it might be a capable, efficient weapon. Let's not forget that so far the Vincent (both prototype and commander versions) have been supplied to veterans or high-ranking officers who can perfectly make full use of the Needle Blazer. Grunts who only know to duck, swerve, aim and squeeze the trigger are unlikely to use it in full combat unless they've shown some CQB prowess that warrants such a privilege; the Vincent Ward lineart already showed that the Needle Blazers were replaced by Tonfas, which suggest that either the NBs are too expensive or too sophisticated to be mass produced (like the MSVs) or the engineers deemed it unnecessary for Knights who'll probably never make use of it during their career unless they grow a pair of brass balls and decide to go wild and creative on the battlefield.

Furthermore, if the NB is, as speculated, an offshoot of the MSV (which, rather than spreading the shield outwards, focuses it forwards to punch through enemy armor), it might be possible to use the energy discharge as an improvised shield/deflective surface.

[Dann of Thursday]

I suppose that is true. It'll have to wait till we actually see Rolo involved in combat with a large number of enemies. Or we see Guildford or someone else show up with one.

[PzIVf3]

Is the Shinkorou is the 2nd production of Gawain or the upgraded Gawain?

[Tokkan]

The Shinkirou is made using technology salvaged from the Gawain, it is not the next in its series or an upgrade.

[PzIVf3]

I think the Gawain Druid System has some sort of special sophisticated controlled drones direct link to the keyboard control command system.

[demon_god04]

Furthermore, if the NB is, as speculated, an offshoot of the MSV (which, rather than spreading the shield outwards, focuses it forwards to punch through enemy armor), it might be possible to use the energy discharge as an improvised shield/deflective surface.

We saw Suzaku kick Toudou's Zangetsu with the Lancelot's MSV shield that was on the leg and it seemed to do do more damage then a normal kick would have. Not on the level of the NB but most likely because the shield was spread out rather then focused with the intent of punching through armour.

[Dann of Thursday]

I think the Gawain Druid System has some sort of special sophisticated controlled drones direct link to the keyboard control command system.

Maybe, but it's mainly a strategy computer than can also be used to analyze data like those Geass ruins.

[Chaos Knight]

I just wonder if there is any potential data gathered from those ruins after it was stolen, I mean there might have been some useful data from the ruins. But the question that remains it what kind of data could it be.

Another thing is was it ever mention who was the one responsible for creating the Druid system, because I know it was funded by Schneizel and it looks like that Lloyd wasn’t the one who developed it from reading the subs. Which leads me to be that it may have been made by another scientist who’s at the same of knowledge rank as Lloyd and Rakshata or it was develop by the scientists who were working on Code R maybe.

[Dann of Thursday]

I don't know if it had the time to analyze back in 19, unless those readings that were out of range were the ones.

[Chaos Knight]

Maybe it was able analyze a small fragment of data before the anomaly occurred because if the druid system somewhat operates like super computer maybe just a bit weaker then an actual supercomputer. So it might have been able to analyze the date from the ruins in a small amount of time.

[Dann of Thursday]

I don't think it could have gotten much really. Maybe it will become involved with things happening in 11, but we'll have to wait on that.

[Blue_Mercy]

So Lelouch's submarine mode makes ocean travel, quick and easy.

[Dann of Thursday]

Seems it does. That shield system seems to work pretty well too. I can't say the same about the laser though. The Hadron Cannons seem much better.

[Kaze]

Seems it does. That shield system seems to work pretty well too. I can't say the same about the laser though. The Hadron Cannons seem much better.

But who says he needs the crystal to fire the laser? he just used it to hit multiple enemies, he could just fire it directly from his chest

[Aquaman OS]

The laser thing looked like it could be aimed at multiple angles at will. So in the hands of someone smart like Lelouch it would be a deadly weapon.

[Dann of Thursday]

He may not need the crystal, but the laser seems to need more of a build up than the Hadron Cannons. And how do they keep reusing the crystal? Do they reload or does it come back?

[kk2extreme]

shinkurou is a single pilot kmf right?

[Oscidaes]

shinkurou is a single pilot kmf right?

Indeed it is.

[PzIVf3]

The crystal is like a programmable smart weapon. Is that a blue Lancelot version Venge?

[Dann of Thursday]

How so? We didn't see it come back.

[KrimzonStriker]

The crystal is like a programmable smart weapon. Is that a blue Lancelot version Venge?

Uhh, it's the new mass production Unit based off of the Vincent. It's known as the Ward apparently :p

[Dann of Thursday]

So a unit made to be a mass production version of the Lancelot was mass produced itself?

[Tokkan]

More like, it's a cost effective version for standard soldiers, while regular Vincents are restricted to commanders due to their high cost.

[Dann of Thursday]

Hmm, I suppose that works. What's this mech got on it though? It didn't seem too impressive.

[Oscidaes]

Hmm, I suppose that works. What's this mech got on it though? It didn't seem too impressive.

Well, I recall they replaced the Electric Needle Blazers with... tonfa.

Other than that, I can't really remember.

[Dann of Thursday]

Meh, it may not matter. So how does the Shinkirou's powerful shield seem to work? The orb on the head seems to be what projects it.

[Oscidaes]

According to Wikipedia, it uses a bunch of MSV shields projected at once or something. Would explain the rather attractive "scaly-honeycomb-shield" look, although... seeing how it's Wikipedia (and uncited at that), it might be speculation. :\

[Dann of Thursday]

Well, I suppose that could work, but I'm sure there is a way to break it and it probably will happen.

[Kaze]

Well, I suppose that could work, but I'm sure there is a way to break it and it probably will happen.

Something about the Absolute Protection Territory that boasts the world's highest defensive power.

I don't think it will go break that fast, at least it's better than what the Lancelot has :heh:

[Chaos2Frozen]

So a unit made to be a mass production version of the Lancelot was mass produced itself?

I think it's better to say that the original Vincents that we saw from Guilford and Rollo are the experimental versions, while these new ones are the 'finalized' versions, ready to mass produce.


Something about the Absolute Protection Territory that boasts the world's highest defensive power.

I don't think it will go break that fast, at least it's better than what the Lancelot has :heh:

A.T. field ? (:heh:)


In any case, it took several canon shells head on without any difficulty, but the real challenge would be if it could withstand an energy base attack.

'Cause... Those seem to pack more punch.

[Renegade334]

How so? We didn't see it come back.I couldn't have come back since it ultimately hit the Mordred's side shield and possibly broke down from the energy build-up. Even if it's quite a powerful scattershot weapon (and, yes, with the same flaws - at long distances it might not always hit the target, just pepper the surroundings), this one-shot use could very well be accounted as the staff's way to ensure that the Shinkirou doesn't get too powerful. Of course, it could still use the emitter as a direct energy attack system without the intermediary of the crystal, but its omnidirectional salvo capability should be gone.

Now, if the crystal had actually been a block of ice coated with a beam reflective material, the Shinkirou could very well have the wherewithal to replenish the launcher's muzzle with a new projectile (although it'd need water in direct vicinity to do so) and ready itself for a second go, but I seriously doubt that.

[squaresphere]

The laser crystal seems very impractical... unless it has another function as well. I thought it was kinda interesting that the Shinkirou seems to have two faces :P. Maybe that's just me though.

I also think that making it a single seater was interesting as well. Lulu is an ok pilot but really he Gawin fit him better since he could concentrate on the field and not on piloting.

[Isegrim]

Now, if the crystal had actually been a block of ice coated with a beam reflective material, the Shinkirou could very well have the wherewithal to replenish the launcher's muzzle with a new projectile (although it'd need water in direct vicinity to do so) and ready itself for a second go, but I seriously doubt that.

Perhaps the crystal is being consumed during the deflection of the laser/beam/whatever? This would explain the term "相転移", phase transition. Energy is not capable of "doing" this, to me the crystal is the only way to explain the name given to Shinkirous weapon.

[ZeroSama]

I think it's better to say that the original Vincents that we saw from Guilford and Rollo are the experimental versions, while these new ones are the 'finalized' versions, ready to mass produce.




A.T. field ? (:heh:)


In any case, it took several canon shells head on without any difficulty, but the real challenge would be if it could withstand an energy base attack.

'Cause... Those seem to pack more punch.

The Modred's shield took a head on hit from its laser cannon and its shields were fine. Since the Mirage is a mech geared towards defense(fortress class) it's shields are probably god-level.

Perhaps the crystal is being consumed during the deflection of the laser/beam/whatever? This would explain the term "相転移", phase transition. Energy is not capable of "doing" this, to me the crystal is the only way to explain the name given to Shinkirous weapon.

Nah. The crystal got smashed against the Modreds shields. It didn't seem to have any damage done to it before that.


The Mirage is a much better mech than the Gawain. Well certainly when it comes to having Lulu as a pilot anyway. The Gawain had great firepower but had zero defensive capabilities(its large size didn't help matters). The Mirage has Uber defense and good firepower and is no bigger than an average KMF.

[Renegade334]

Shinkirou and Vincent Ward (or more exactly, just 'Ward') lineart.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2516/geasspt8.jpg

[SoldierOfDarkness]

While the ward seems nice it seems rather bland. I mean during the battle the only thing they use are Tonfas. Surely for a mass production type they would be equipped with at least a machine gun.

[PzIVf3]

I noticed the Zangetsu hair has a capable of defense against Lancelot kick.

[Dann of Thursday]

Isn't the "hair" something else? I can't remember what the idea for those was.

[KrimzonStriker]

Well, getting off Shinkirou and other mech's for a second, how about we detract to some interesting new tidbits concerning the Tristan. Some kind of energy weapon is not in its arsenal by combining its two Slash Harkens together (I speculate that this might involve some kind of high frequency sound pulse or something similar given the nature of how the attack was carried out) while at the same time I believe during the battle with Guren we saw gunfire from its general direction being dodged by Kallen which leads me to think that while in Flight Mode at least Tristan may boast some sort of machine gun ports in its arsenal. Also, did anyone notice that he managed to catch Shen Shu's slash Harken attack with his fingers? This thing is starting to slowly build a bit of a case for itself now :heh:

[PzIVf3]

Yes I surprised too that i didn't expect there are special hidden weapon installed at the Slash Harken. I remember Xing-ke said he's use the Shen-hu chest cannon against radiation wave only 40%. i wonder what %energy use against Tristan.

[Aquaman OS]

Probably the same amount. It fired at about the same rate. I'd think increasing the power would make the beam much more destructive.

[bladeofdarkness]

i just noticed something odd
the gurren was created by rakshata's team along with the shen hu
presumably in india since thats where she's from and thats where the shen hu was until the maharasha gave it to the CF
but in ep 10 they say the gurren is a "true blue made in japan KMF"
what gives ?
or is this just sunrise being sunrise

[PzIVf3]

Guren MkII is original design made by Rasha but it manufactured at Japan by the Kyoto House it perhaps the Shen-hu sold it to the Chinese Federation as a gift.

[JackRydden224]

Shinkirou and Vincent Ward (or more exactly, just 'Ward') lineart.

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2516/geasspt8.jpg

It says that the phase transition too long of a name cannon is commonly known as "Zero Beam" :heh:

[Dann of Thursday]

Seriously? That sounds just silly. If appropriate.

[ubiquitial]

I just finished watching code geass R2 ep.11...................Wow....................... ...There was some really exciting fighting, and my head is filled with questions about 'the order'

here is a rewrite of my section on the Diffusion Structure Phase Transition Cannon

V. Diffusion Structure Phase Transition Cannon

Main weapon of the Shinkirō, the Diffusion Structure Phase Transition Cannon fires a drone out of it's chest, Then a beam of energy following it. The possibility of the beam being one of fermions is obliterated, you saw how it spread(not to mention the pretty colors), so how does it work?

The pod launched forms the center point for a certain pre-determined radius. The beam is shot into this device, causing the beam to diffuse into multiple smaller bolts and travel in a sphere of destruction. But what is the beam itself?

I believe that the drone was a crystal, in fact. Here are two ideas for what they are.

1. A laser. I found this rather plausible, after all. The only problem is that the crystal launched has to have the exact refraction index, or it won't work. This Crystal then rotated, creating the spinning beams we see. The beams are constant also, suggesting a laser further. This is most plausible, as long as there is enough power and the crystal is perfect as so not to diffuse the beam so much that it loses its power.

2. I propose that the beam was just a regular particle beam, but the beam superheated the crystal, causing it to explode into many miniscule superheated shards. This would explain the meteor-like trails the bolts left behind.

[ubiquitial]

Knightmare Equiptment in Code Geass .II

I. Absolute Protection Field

The defensive system of the Shinkirō, the absolute protection field appears to be an advanced version of the MSV particle shield employed by Britannian military. It is supposively controlled and regulated by a version of the Gawain's Druid system, suggesting some degree of complexity.

I believe it has two main functions--Precognitive/adaptive defense. This is the main power of the Druid system. It is designed to analyze situations and predict outcomes. This way, the Shinkirō will analyze the projectile heading towards it, and then generate the shield only as needed. In other words, the system is passive, and will adapt to the situation as needed. It will also analyze the type of projectile, be it a Hadron beam or a machine gun bullet, and create a barrior appropriate for the projectile.

II. Factspheres

Some type of advanced scanner system, used by earlier knightmares to identify location of enemies. Most likely, it uses laser scanners, like DARPA's military robotics do, or some kind of radar system.

III. Druid System

A powerful analytical device, the druid system uses advanced computational technology in order to study situations and make creating a model of the land easier, allowing for more units more easily mapped in real-time. It also seems to act as a commander device, more easily getting a signal out.

[ZeroSama]

2. I propose that the beam was just a regular particle beam, but the beam superheated the crystal, causing it to explode into many miniscule superheated shards. This would explain the meteor-like trails the bolts left behind.

Watch just before the beam hits the Modred. You can quite clearly see the crystal hitting its shields in the same state that it was launched. It rules out that possibilty.

[PzIVf3]

I expect the Oran-ji Knightmare (what is called?) is going to be different design and lots of miracle weapon.

[Dann of Thursday]

It's called Siegfried. I'm not sure how upgraded it will be. It was already pretty powerful as it was and I'm not sure what could have been changed.

[ZeroSama]

It's called Siegfried. I'm not sure how upgraded it will be. It was already pretty powerful as it was and I'm not sure what could have been changed.

Paint in red. Guranteed to make it at least 300% better.

[Dann of Thursday]

That's a rather odd reason. It doesn't automatically make it better. It didn't help Kallen in 10.

[Dream_Traveller]

Don't you know? 'Blood Orange'!

Hahah...ha.

Yeah, anyways.

[ZeroSama]

That's a rather odd reason. It doesn't automatically make it better. It didn't help Kallen in 10.

Its a TV Trope. We all know in anime that painting anything red automatically makes it 300% better. Take the original MSG. The only difference between Chars custom mechs and any other mech was its colour yet it was always better. Heck you even had the "reds" in GS and GSD:eyespin: who were aces. Plus loses because of plot devices don't count.

All we need now is for Llyod to give Lancelot its final upgrade of a red paint job and Lulu may as well pack his rebellion in.

[Dann of Thursday]

I suppose it could have Hadron Cannons or something, but it was already pretty deadly on it's own and now Jeremiah is much more accustomed to his modifications from the looks of things.

So the fact that the pilots in the red suits were aces means nothing?

[ZeroSama]

I suppose it could have Hadron Cannons or something, but it was already pretty deadly on it's own and now Jeremiah is much more accustomed to his modifications from the looks of things.

So the fact that the pilots in the red suits were aces means nothing?

Kallen wears red as well. They cancel each other out.

[Dann of Thursday]

What? That doesn't make sense.

[ZeroSama]

What? That doesn't make sense.

Er. What doesn't make sense? I'm not sure what you're refering too.

[Rising Dragon]

Er. What doesn't make sense? I'm not sure what you're refering too.

I think they're talking about a match between Kallen and Anya, both of whom are aces, and both of whom are piloting red-colored mechs. Red apparently equals ace, and thus red against red cancels each other out so one is not automatically superior to the other.

[Dann of Thursday]

I thought you meant something like Kallen wearing red canceled out the ace effect of a red mech. Did you mean what Rising said?

[ZeroSama]

I think they're talking about a match between Kallen and Anya, both of whom are aces, and both of whom are piloting red-colored mechs. Red apparently equals ace, and thus red against red cancels each other out so one is not automatically superior to the other.

Ah. Is see. But Kallen had to go on her "Hero charge" so Bandai could sell more Gurens:twitch:. The normal rules go out the window in that situation and its explained away by the fact that neither of the KoR were trying.

I thought you meant something like Kallen wearing red canceled out the ace effect of a red mech. Did you mean what Rising said?

No, her red pilot costume reinforces her image as an Ace pilot. Also i thought the Mordred was purple. I'm going to have to tone down the colour saturation when watching anime. Basically everything she wears is read bar her regular BK and school uniform. Even her hair is red. As soon as i saw her i was like she is going to be the ace.

I meant her red uniform canceled out the red of the Grastons Knights who are supposedly aces. She's still got the advantage because her mech is red(never mind if its any good or not).

[bladeofdarkness]

dont know if its couse of the red but kallen is just a super ace pilot
in ep 6 she showed just how good she is
and she did it before the upgrade
there is a part where she rides on a harken cable and frys one of the glaston knight in mid air
that has got to be the most impresive piloting trick ever pulled on the show

[ZeroSama]

dont know if its couse of the red but kallen is just a super ace pilot
in ep 6 she showed just how good she is
and she did it before the upgrade
there is a part where she rides on a harken cable and frys one of the glaston knight in mid air
that has got to be the most impresive piloting trick ever pulled on the show

Even her normal rebel costume was red as well remember. Don't underestimate the color reds power.

visit http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LawOfChromaticSuperiority for more info on what colours power you up.

[JMvS]

It's called Siegfried. I'm not sure how upgraded it will be. It was already pretty powerful as it was and I'm not sure what could have been changed.

Speaking of Siegfried, I just realized the allusion behind the catch phrase for ep 13: (the thing about finding a least a spot of vulnerable flesh in all the armored one), but I don't think he will have a leaf embroidered on his back :p .

But this also made me wondering: the sentence imply that they will be directly facing him (not trough KMF), so is he turning full cyborg (I doubt), or will he don some sort of powered armor?

[Rising Dragon]

It's called Siegfried. I'm not sure how upgraded it will be. It was already pretty powerful as it was and I'm not sure what could have been changed.

Here's the question: Does the Siegfried NEED any upgrades? Its already nigh-invincible and capable of butchering an army.

[Orga777]

Here's the question: Does the Siegfried NEED any upgrades? Its already nigh-invincible and capable of butchering an army.

Well, Code Geass always seems to like to go more over the top with each new weapon... Who knows...<.<

As for the whole red thing with Guren and Kallen, I just saw it as Kallen's fiery personality is why it was red.... Not really having anything to do with being an Ace...

[bladeofdarkness]

Well, Code Geass always seems to like to go more over the top with each new weapon... Who knows...<.<

As for the whole red thing with Guren and Kallen, I just saw it as Kallen's fiery personality is why it was red.... Not really having anything to do with being an Ace...



red means ace pilot
it also means rival of main character pilot (that was suzaku in season 1)

thats just how it is
blame sunrise

[Orga777]

red means ace pilot
it also means rival of main character pilot (that was suzaku in season 1)

thats just how it is
blame sunrise

Eh. I don't know though. It isn't like very ace in the show has red.

[bladeofdarkness]

Eh. I don't know though. It isn't like very ace in the show has red.


the rival of the show's main pilot is red
thats how it was all the way back to char in gundam
it even extends to shows not made by sunrise (full metal panic)

[Esper 28]

Paint in red. Guranteed to make it at least 300% better.

Awesome as hell Char reference.

And you even got the "3 times the speed of a normal mobile suit down" with the 300%. (Even if you didn't do that purposely, just smile and nod, smile and nod!)

And to everyone else: I think the Red Baron from WWI has influenced the popular image of an ace pilot, hence why red is so common as being awesome. Well, that and Char. :heh:

[ZeroSama]

Awesome as hell Char reference.

And you even got the "3 times the speed of a normal mobile suit down" with the 300%. (Even if you didn't do that purposely, just smile and nod, smile and nod!)

And to everyone else: I think the Red Baron from WWI has influenced the popular image of an ace pilot, hence why red is so common as being awesome. Well, that and Char. :heh:

:) Char FTW.

Didn't really notice the reference in S1 as i only watched the original MSG 3 months ago.

[Blue_Mercy]

You guys are going to love this. As for me I'm really not into the whole scientific aspect, but I thought this was funny.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080628/ap_on_re_eu/doomsday_collider

Calling this weapon/device the Hadron Collider.

[aurr]

Morder actually isn't red, it's purple. Plus Kallen has red hair and dresses in red. Anya only has red eyes.

[squaresphere]

So now that Orange has a technology based Geass canceler, does that mean geass are tech base and not super fairy magic?

[PzIVf3]

I wonder what Lloyd gonna to do the Guren.

[bdragonomega]

I wonder what Lloyd gonna to do the Guren.

Probably molest it....

and then create a Guren version Lloyd...

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

So now that Orange has a technology based Geass canceler, does that mean geass are tech base and not super fairy magic?

What's the difference?:D

As an example, doesn't Internet itself resemble super fairy magic to the average person?

[Esper 28]

What's the difference?:D

As an example, doesn't Internet itself resemble super fairy magic to the average person?

Ohhh, Clarke's Third Law.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

[PzIVf3]

I think Lloyd will redesign the Guren into a improved design to mock Rakshata.

[bladeofdarkness]

strike guren mk III :D

and by the way
during the brifing the notes that Lloyd has name the guren as "guren" (the japanese name) not crimson lotus (the transltion)
but in the scduale that sayuko made for lulu the shinkiro is clearly named "Mirage"
does that mean that were suppose to call it that within the fandom and not use the name shinkiro

[ZeroSama]

i want to know what the rocket harken it mentions on the notes about the Gurens right arm is since i'm fairly sure i've never seen anything like that used.

[bladeofdarkness]

i think its like the harken booster that the lancelot has
a rocket propeld harken that can change coure in mid flight