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Tables turn, turn, and turn....
It almost makes you dizzy.
Cai Calamigarde
2007-01-24, 04:27
OMG!!!!!!
An absolute 10!!
Light is a genius indeed...
Maes Hughes
2007-01-24, 07:46
Oh. My. God. 10/10
The *removed* sub is excellent, I couldn't believe the quality of the subtitles. When you consider how long old fansub groups used to take...well, it gives you good idea about the quality of the job *removed* did in such a short period of time.
Episode 15 has to be the best episode yet! I didn't think Death Note could get any better...
I loved it when Light started saying how he'd finally got L after Misa saw him, only for L to answer Misa's phone! It seems being perverted can save your life. :P
The humorous L x Misa part certainly made the way L treated Misa afterwards rather shocking. Sure, he doesn't know how Kira can kill, but it did seem like a cruel thing to do to her.
The ending, while not leaving us with a cliffhanger as huge as last time, certainly gave us DN fans food for thought. I'm not sure what Light meant when he said goodbye to Ryuk at the end... I'll have to see if re-watching the episode helps explain (anfs didn't include the preview >_<). Maybe he's going to ditch Ryuk and let Rem follow him around as his Shinigami in order to kill L? She seems happy to kill L if Kira will help free Misa.
ging-inc
2007-01-24, 07:48
i have to say this was a 1st for me, after over 20yrs of watching anime, an eps of anime that actually left me feeling creeped out, even now 6hrs after I watched the raw. i still feel slightly like that :O
At least now I know where a certain image from a death note doujin comes from now.....
shakildwz
2007-01-24, 10:19
man ..what the fuck..this episode has completely tarnished any theories I had about what was going to happan after episode 14. What an episode.
WOW @ Misa getting locked up..and the fact she loses all her memories...I wonder what Light will do to save her...
Quajafrie
2007-01-24, 11:15
Pure ownage.
pathyfinder
2007-01-24, 11:47
Everything to this point having been said, I don't belive it will be "L" taking out Light, I think L has this pretty much set up things (by sharing his information) for Light's own Father to take Light-down, (by having to kill Light himself).
that would be so creepy awesome :D
This is episode was full of surprises. Creepy, suspenseful, and it looks like things are really picking up the pace now :eek:
- Light kissing Misa. I really never expected that from Light's disinterest in her romantically. Poor Misa... getting even further involved with a guy who is only using her.
- L examining hair strands. Wow, physical evidence of some kind? Who woulda thunk?
- L out in the open. It's funny that Misa probably would've gotten his name had it not been for Light's overeager push aside. From the previews last time, I had though Light would've taken Misa's phone (presumably a camera one) and taken a picture of L. Guess I was wrong about that. Wouldn't that have been easier though? :heh:
- L stealing Misa's phone. Then Light calls Misa thinking L is so dead now after meeting Misa, only to have it picked up by L. Wow, crazy stuff.
- Misa's ringtone is the ending theme song XD (... I think I'm going to put that on my phone too >_>). And L's fascination by it was exceptionally creepy too. L was just so much creepier than usual throughout the whole episode. He moves a lot too, which I can't really imagine that well. He seems so stationary most of the time XD.
- Of course the biggest shock was Misa being captured and the way she was tied up. It was creepy, and I really felt sad at the way she was treated. It was so nice to see Rem reassure Misa that everything would be okay, and sad to see them part from each other.
- I really wonder how L will explain the strand of Misa's hair being brushed aside by Rem and how Light gets them all out of the situation. I'm a bit glad that Light seems to have much more to deal with now. Things seemed too easy before, but now he's got his work cut out for him.
Awesome episode. Can't wait for next week.
Oh. My. God. 10/10
The *removed* sub is excellent, I couldn't believe the quality of the subtitles. When you consider how long old fansub groups used to take...well, it gives you good idea about the quality of the job *removed* did in such a short period of time.
If by quality, you mean completely incorrect, you would be right. Real subs don't exist and talking about them even if they did is forbidden.
Deathkillz
2007-01-24, 14:50
oh my jesus O.o
first L is pinned down by a pincer move from light...then L gains misa as blackmail to hammer light's head in (almost causing him to give up) now light gains yet another death note and one silenced misa...how crazy is this O.o and so the battle of witts goes on...those two are like roaches...no matter how many times they get crushed they both pop up again O.o
perfect! 10/10
This is how L dodged the bullet, then. How cheap!
The hair...it was most likely taken from the place near the TV station where Misa killed the cops. She foolishly left the binoculars on the table and everything.
So L must have known about Misa's...relationship with Light from the beginning. Which means L still had spies watching Light, or at least his house! His suspicion of Light was never 2% or 5%, he always thought Light to be Kira and everything he's done lately was to get the proof.
And now Misa must be saved. She won't be released soon even if there is no evidence against her. Light must deceive L into thinking the second Kira is someone else or that Kira controlled her into doing it.
But..."Goodbye, Ryuk." WHAT IS THAT! WHAT IS HE THINKING! Damn this anime is intense, it'd always be a cliffhanger no matter where they ended the episodes.
I will hate the manga writer if Misa dies like this, just horrible, one of the worst things I've seen.She just seemed too innocent to be treated like that. and it better be resolved soon because that sucks. Not to mention shes been like that for days, since L mentioned of water deprivation.
Yet again i'm amazed with yet another episode of Death Note. I love the manga to pieces, and the anime is doing such a good job at being a perfect adaptation of the story.
Misa's tear & Rem wiping it away being added (meaning that scene wasn't in the manga) was a wonderful touch to an already powerful scene between the two. I was moved to tears myself after Misa mentioning about not to kill Light.. so this added scene works perfectly with the already level of emotion the viewers are feeling at the time - seriously, it was a perfectly added scene. Also, it has L seeing the hair move, there's something else for him to think about.
Yet again i'm amazed with yet another episode of Death Note. I love the manga to pieces, and the anime is doing such a good job at being a perfect adaptation of the story.
Misa's tear & Rem wiping it away being added (meaning that scene wasn't in the manga) was a wonderful touch to an already powerful scene between the two. I was moved to tears myself after Misa mentioning about not to kill Light.. so this added scene works perfectly with the already level of emotion the viewers are feeling at the time - seriously, it was a perfectly added scene. Also, it has L seeing the hair move, there's something else for him to think about. If that part is not in the manga then it could totally change L's reactions, unless he was heading in that direction anyway.
Wow... totally didn't see that coming O_O
This episode seriously had the most overall plot development out of any of them... and most of it was in the last 10 minutes O_O
Awesome, Awesome episode...
It's evil I have to wait a full week to see what happens next ;_;
Wow... totally didn't see that coming O_O
This episode seriously had the most overall plot development out of any of them... and most of it was in the last 10 minutes O_O
Awesome, Awesome episode...
It's evil I have to wait a full week to see what happens next ;_;
You don't have to, you can just go grab the manga, I know I've had to urge. I don't want to see Misa like this for a whole week.
Amazing argument and an unexpected construction of events.
A masterpiece. L never rushes to jump into conclusions at first sign of evidence. He works up his suspicions and theory to reach the 100% of proven validity.
Amazing he manipulated the small amount of evidence he picked up from the tapes and occurences at Amano to lure out Light to what he (L) wanted him (Light) to do.
Like Jaden posted, L's hunch on Light being Kira boosted above the 4-5% that he made everyone to believe.
This is because in the previous episode and this one Ryuk pesters Light about what L said that he esteemed Light as his first friend ever.
L plays with words, which have double-meaning. He did not meant to acknowledge Light as his equal match when he said friend, as I presumed. He meant that his suspicions about Light being Kira boosted upwards to let's say a 70%, but Light ultimately failed to realize that L's suspicions on him dramatically increased.
This is because L found out that Light met Misa but kept that information to himself as not leave himself exposed. He tested Light with the "friends" deal to throw him out in confusion.
Remember that L ordered to had Light tailed and followed due to the latter's interest to visit the Amano place, which was written as one of the two meeting points where Kira and Kira 2nd will make contact.
That same person tailed Light from that point onwards and found about Misa, who she visit the Yagami house for the first time to meet for the first time ever Light.
That agent made contact to L. Of course, L has his suspicions particularly given that the agent informed him that Misa stayed in the Yagami home until late hours.
L did his homework research on Misa while everyone else was sleeping and checked her profile record as a celebrity.
He started to notice out the pieces of evidence that were found on the tapes that Kira 2nd sent to the TV stations and lastly to the investigation team, which L found the strands of hair.
The point is that L upon learning that a foreign woman who was a celebrity model visited the Yagami home at night, ringed odd bells on him to make him immediately suspect Misa as Kira 2nd, thus dramatically increasing Light's suspicions on being Kira as well; explains L's certainty in the previous episode that both Kira had made contact once viewing the tapes. But the way he concluded at it seemed that he already knew it beforehand and was no news to him. That's because he already had his suspicions confirmed and now was the time to start setting up the bait and the trap to work up his suspicion percentage proven true to the 100%.
To me the climax of the episode happened with L's perverted grinning once Misa arrived to the Uni, saluted Light, and both she and L met. But this happened because L studied scrupulously Misa's reaction on her face when he revealed his name as "Ryuuga". Misa hesitated for a moment, but L knew better that she was getting an odd reaction from hearing his name.
Misa gave herself too easily, and that allowed L to realize the expression on Misa's face; she had found out his real name through her Shinigami eyes, the name he never reveals to anyone, and she knew well.
From that point it became a double-edged situation for Light, because he had to act on instinct to prevent the cover from being blown-up. By doing so, however, he took the bait of L's trap to confirm up to a 90% that Misa was the 2nd Kira.
I was impressed on how they could managed to insert a piece of funny comedy on L's perverted face to a climactic, tense, and haphazard moment. It served as a juxtaposition to L's character. He lets himself vulnerable in the open to get closer to his enemies, but at the same time makes fool of himself so as to prevent his enemies from taking seriously in critical moments.
The perverted face on L served a double-meaning. On one hand to distract unsuspecting viewers initially that L admits to himself he's a hopeless loser for not attracting girls. On the other hand, the face behind the public image meant "Busted", and Light fell into the trap.
After that climax, the resolution quite came fitting into its place, until Light has an epiphany meaning that there's another card to be played and L has not won the game at all when even the tide turned against Light with L having pawned him.
It also amazes me as well L's dexterity and reflexes to steal Misa's phone from her sight, and instantly reacting on instinct to come up with a convincing reply to Misa's reaction.
I do agree with Garten that L's security measures were just too over the top.
He could simply had ordered Misa handcuffed and blindfolded, sitting on a chair. Or confine her into those solitary, interrogation rooms where there's a black panel window. With those mirrors the culprit cannot see the investigators through the other side, but the investigators can see the culprit from their side.
I do not think that Shinigami eyes on humans are able to see through solid walls or material of covered glass from those windows.
How ruthless of L.
What I think of Rem's exchange with Misa.
It was an emotionally appealing scene, because Misa's suffering earned my sympathy.
She was willing to take the risk and punishment for the love of Light, but at the same time it was too traumatic for her to endure that hell she was going through, knowing she would not last longer before giving herself in and admit that she is the 2nd Kira.
Instead of betraying Light and ending her torment, Misa acknowledges the easy way out is for Rem to kill her. After all, she made clear to Light she does not mind to be used as a tool. She only wants Light's love through him praising her that she's useful one way or another, and being shackled-up in a strait-jacket, kept on the dark with nothing to see in grip of deep fear is a situation that well awards to beg Rem to kill her.
In that particular scene, Rem tended to Misa as a caring mother, and in fact, her voice changed warmth and tender to Misa.
It just surprises me that no one noticed a coincidental similarity to Misa's predicament in comparison to another character that has been through the same thing quite or less.
Doesn't it brings you memories?
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Priceless Screencaps
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-L infamous face.
Seriously, L needs to get himself a girlfriend now or never.
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-A particularly funny scene involving L insulting Light's intelligence at expense of mocking him up. This gag actually should be something that the three stooges would have come with.
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-Misa looks interestingly moe.
psycho bolt
2007-01-24, 19:43
Holy *&^$!! This is a amazing episode. The twists had me in. And Goodbye Ryuk? That last line made me wondering, maybe Light will use Rem instead?
kira_lacusXX
2007-01-24, 21:02
ahhh anyone who understands japanese!! Tell me what they said in the preview!! ..not asking for spoilers, just a translation to what Raito said :) Also rated 10/10, aww I love Misa so much, it was so sad when she started to tell them to kill her T^T *sniiiiiiiiff* I like Ryuk better then Rem though, hope that bye Raito said isnt really THE goodbye of him and Ryuk :( OH and gotta love L dancing around Misa, very funny :) c-a-n-t-w-a-i-t-t-i-l-l-e-p-1-6-!!!
The way Misa was tied up well inspired lot many Deat Note Dojins :eyespin:
darkchibi07
2007-01-24, 21:39
The way Misa was tied up well inspired lot many Deat Note Dojins :eyespin:
Why am I not surprised? People with bondage fetishes would devour that type of stuff! :heh:
psycho bolt
2007-01-24, 21:46
I feel sorry for Misa. She was manipulated by two guys, Light and even L! =O
Why am I not surprised? People with bondage fetishes would devour that type of stuff! :heh:
Tempted to post front page of that Dojin but slightly ecchi AS doesnt provide nosebleed insurance so cant . That Misa scene was kinky to begin with and consider how Dojins evolved the concept :D
Tempted to post front page of that Dojin but slightly ecchi AS doesnt provide nosebleed insurance so cant . That Misa scene was kinky to begin with and consider how Dojins evolved the concept :D
Feel free to PM it to me XD
I must find these Dojins >:X
anselfir
2007-01-24, 22:37
This episode was a bit on the dangerous side, giving L a fair amount of executive power without much prior development on this front. Can L use force whenever he wants to, or does he need to clear some nonwimsical constraint that would require more plot development?
In any case an action packed episode that is too reliant on sudden incidents.
michaelman90
2007-01-24, 22:51
This episode sure was strange, going from humorous scenes ("Ahh, Yagami-kun....konnichiwa.") to what happened in the end was quite sudden. Still, this is one of the best parts of suspense stories, when the "hero" is caught in a bind and you have to wait a week (or longer) just to find out how he gets out of it..
As for L's power and the force he can use...it makes sense. L had enough proof to make Misa a suspect as the second Kira, and since by now you'd have to be a moron not to have realized there is something fishy in the way Kiras are able to kill people, they can't take any chances in the way they restrain her. They know Kiras need to be able to see their victims, which explains the visor, and straitjackets are a staple for restraining crazies.
Holy *&^$!! This is a amazing episode. The twists had me in. And Goodbye Ryuk? That last line made me wondering, maybe Light will use Rem instead?
Wow you're a genius, now I know how Light plans to disprove that shes the 2nd kira :)
anselfir
2007-01-25, 00:36
This episode sure was strange, going from humorous scenes ("Ahh, Yagami-kun....konnichiwa.") to what happened in the end was quite sudden. Still, this is one of the best parts of suspense stories, when the "hero" is caught in a bind and you have to wait a week (or longer) just to find out how he gets out of it..
As for L's power and the force he can use...it makes sense. L had enough proof to make Misa a suspect as the second Kira, and since by now you'd have to be a moron not to have realized there is something fishy in the way Kiras are able to kill people, they can't take any chances in the way they restrain her. They know Kiras need to be able to see their victims, which explains the visor, and straitjackets are a staple for restraining crazies.Realize that there are a series of permits and such before someone can be held in such a constraint, mere suspicion by L alone is not enough. At least develop the interplay between L and whoever it is that decides whether he can do this to someone else or not. This is obvious.
WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF? Good episode but I TOTALLY HATED IT! ~_~ weird huh....
Hurry and get Misa out, I can't stand to see a character like that get totured. I freakin hate Light now >"<!!! I really enjoyed Misa's character, i feel sorry for her, but damn she's one strong girl. Again with a cliff hanger at the end (not as big as before but still one), can't wait for next week! Farewell Ryuuk?
Poor misa, but then again; she does really love Light...
and that "Farewell Ryuk" left me hangin'
michaelman90
2007-01-25, 07:17
Realize that there are a series of permits and such before someone can be held in such a constraint, mere suspicion by L alone is not enough. At least develop the interplay between L and whoever it is that decides whether he can do this to someone else or not. This is obvious.
Isn't L basically the head of the entire police force regarding the case at this point? Interpol turned to L because they couldn't do the job themselves, and I'm willing to bet his help in cases such as this have made them trust him enough to give him the power to do as he pleases. From what I've gathered from this episode, they were of the mindset that the proof was irrevocable, and from what I've gathered from the series on a whole is that L is not the kind of person to jump to conclusions and restrain people without due cause, something Interpol has probably realized by now and taken into consideration when deciding how much power to pass down to him in these cases. Remember, this isn't L's first case, and I'm sure he has proven himself to the higher-ups enough times to make them realize letting him do what he wants is probably the quickest and most effective way to get a positive end result.
Isn't L basically the head of the entire police force regarding the case at this point? Interpol turned to L because they couldn't do the job themselves, and I'm willing to bet his help in cases such as this have made them trust him enough to give him the power to do as he pleases. From what I've gathered from this episode, they were of the mindset that the proof was irrevocable, and from what I've gathered from the series on a whole is that L is not the kind of person to jump to conclusions and restrain people without due cause, something Interpol has probably realized by now and taken into consideration when deciding how much power to pass down to him in these cases. Remember, this isn't L's first case, and I'm sure he has proven himself to the higher-ups enough times to make them realize letting him do what he wants is probably the quickest and most effective way to get a positive end result.
This is why Light is not captured, L doesn't have enough evidence but he quite frankly knowns that Light is Kira, especially after this episode.
anselfir
2007-01-25, 08:20
Isn't L basically the head of the entire police force regarding the case at this point? Interpol turned to L because they couldn't do the job themselves, and I'm willing to bet his help in cases such as this have made them trust him enough to give him the power to do as he pleases. From what I've gathered from this episode, they were of the mindset that the proof was irrevocable, and from what I've gathered from the series on a whole is that L is not the kind of person to jump to conclusions and restrain people without due cause, something Interpol has probably realized by now and taken into consideration when deciding how much power to pass down to him in these cases. Remember, this isn't L's first case, and I'm sure he has proven himself to the higher-ups enough times to make them realize letting him do what he wants is probably the quickest and most effective way to get a positive end result.
This isn't the mafia. Then again I dont have any expectations for a show like this to seriously deal with the legal aspect of the situation. The higher ups are not running the show, since the very notion of legal authority means that there are rules any higher up has to follow.
psycho bolt
2007-01-25, 12:57
We still don't know what's his plan is to release Misa. All we can asume is that Misa lost her memories and will be confused with L's interegation. That means L and Light are basically tied again.
Anyways, for L bondaging Misa up? I think thats agreable because remember Waturi was in the same room as her. L, still doesn't know about Death Notes.
A request to the anime viewers:
Since some of the anime-only fans seem to be very perceptive who need the smallest of clues to foresee an upcoming event or, reach a very good conclusion (like L), it would be best for every first time viewers to use the speculation thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=38820) created for the anime-only viewers. Don't worry. We will read you and shower you with praises once your speculation turns out to have merit. If those speculation turns out to be nothing more than old-wives-tale, then of course, we will ridicule you. Just kidding! :D
For now, I'm moving djc89 and Pycho Bolt's respective post to the speculation thread to have that thread a few posts it so sorely needs. Will read their speculation once I watch this episode. :)
Deathkillz
2007-01-25, 14:34
Poor misa, but then again; she does really love Light...
and that "Farewell Ryuk" left me hangin'
that was a total WTF moment for me too...its either he thinking about bumping off ryuk for rem or hes thinking that he might be a goner this time if L catching him out again ~
aaaakh...
It makes me sad that Misa lost her memories of Light. And It seems as if Light is going to let go of Ryuku!! what was that all about!!!
and why did Rem have to touch Misa's forehead in the interrogation room...L SAW THAT...Rem is an idiot....that part realy pissed me off! I took it personally! ;p
michaelman90
2007-01-25, 20:55
This isn't the mafia. Then again I dont have any expectations for a show like this to seriously deal with the legal aspect of the situation. The higher ups are not running the show, since the very notion of legal authority means that there are rules any higher up has to follow.
I'm reading my post for like the tenth time trying to find out where anything I said at all resembled the description of a mafia...
In any case, I'm of the belief that pretty much everyone thinks of L as their last hope of catching Kira, so with the proof they claim to have and L's belief that Misa is the second Kira, even if he did need to get permission to restrain her in such a way, Interpol or whoever else is in charge wouldn't hesitate to give him the go-ahead. Oh well, I guess if they took the time to actually develop L's authority in the storyline it would detract from all of the suspense. Apparently most of it happens behind the curtain.
L is so funny he grabs Misa's butt and does that lil dance about protecting Misa who would have guessed that ero-ness was a guise for stealing Misa's Phone .
This episode is a good example of L being the bad guy for once. He's having Misa tied up and almost tortured to make her talk, even though he's already sure she is the second Kira. Quite drastic. And a very good episode.
This episode is a good example of L being the bad guy for once. He's having Misa tied up and almost tortured to make her talk, even though he's already sure she is the second Kira. Quite drastic. And a very good episode.
I wouldn't call it "bad guy".
I keep seeing people get very emotional about Misa being interrogated.
I think a lot of people are getting fooled by her cute looks and antics, as well as her passion for the protagonist.
Do remember, the she is a mass murderer, and have murdered completely innocent people, such as news anchors and policemen.
L has NO idea how she kills, so making sure she has no control of movement, hearing, and sight is crucial. It's also crucial that he get information from her in haste, as his as well as others in the police department's life are in SERIOUS danger.
She may look like a innocent teenager girl, but remember, power of shinigami and deathnote are NOT to be taken lightly. She's no diffrent than murderous monster to the police force.
We, as the audience, have seen her sweet side and her cute antics, and can see her as an attractive character to the story. But L is not the audience, and Misa is a mass murderer with unknown power.
This episode was a bit on the dangerous side, giving L a fair amount of executive power without much prior development on this front. Can L use force whenever he wants to, or does he need to clear some nonwimsical constraint that would require more plot development?
You keep bringing up comparison to reality.
As much as this show borders on fantasy and realism, it is facing a crime of unimaginable scale, never before seen in history.
You can't percisely imagine what will happen in real life, if a criminal capable of killing ANYONE from ANYWHERE appears, and is performing murder regularly, now can you?
If such massive event was to take fold in reality, trust me, many rules will be bent, and authority will do everything they can, including giving the man who is the last hope of stopping it, massive executive power.
I've watched this episode finally, and I think I'll have to rewatch it again just to understand what really went on in regards to some of the new development. One question for now,
Did Misa's loss of memory happen because she gave up her Death Note to Rem, or was it Rem who erased her memory? I was watching the episode half a sleep, but it didn't prevent me from taking a screen to my liking! :)
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P.S. Agree with aohige! I've also figured it out what exactly has been bothering me about this, Hirano Aya's, recent role.
Sendoh718
2007-01-26, 13:09
Did Misa's loss of memory happen because she gave up her Death Note to Rem, or was it Rem who erased her memory?
it's because she gave up the Death Note, she forgets everything that is related to the Death Note.
This episode is a good example of L being the bad guy for once. He's having Misa tied up and almost tortured to make her talk, even though he's already sure she is the second Kira. Quite drastic. And a very good episode.
there's nothing bad about it. go watch 24, some people do what they have to do for the greater good.
Hm... maybe 'bad guy' was not the best way to word it... I'll rephrase and say L is taking some measures that are more drastic than what he has done in the past.
Sendoh718
2007-01-26, 15:33
I'll rephrase and say L is taking some measures that are more drastic than what he has done in the past.
more drastic than put a criminal up to die on TV?
i don't think we know enough about how he solved his previous cases to make an accurate comparison.
I wouldn't say that it's about time L did something like this, but up until this episode, L's actions have been more "justified" than Light's so you see L mostly as a "good" character. With Misa in L's possession now, I think it's setting up to balance the moral ambiguity in the series and perhaps add more "good" points to Light's character and a more "bad" points to L's character.
I don't agree with torture, but L is not enjoying Misa's torture, like Light enjoyed watching Naomi and various other victims suffer. L wants her to reveal information because there is evidence she's the second Kira. How else do you get information from criminals if there's no fear or incentive to release that information?
Anyways, I was just wondering where Rem was from the time that Misa met up with L and Light. I always though Rem followed her everywhere. If Misa didn't see L's name, Rem probably saw it.
I don't agree with torture, but L is not enjoying Misa's torture, like Light enjoyed watching Naomi and various other victims suffer. L wants her to reveal information because there is evidence she's the second Kira. How else do you get information from criminals if there's no fear or incentive to release that information?
I thought this extreme measure for restraining Misa is for added caution. Let me elaborate a bit further.... we see Misa's hands are restrained, so are her legs, in fact, her entire body is tied down. Not only that, her eyes are covered too. Isn't it an unusual practice for restraining a criminal such away just for interrogation? Once she starts talking, L abruptly orders to tie her mouth as well. Why? Because, we, the viewers know that L doesn't know yet how the 2nd Kira, or the original Kira, kills people. Are they using their legs? Their hands? May be their eyes? or, could it be the mouth?
I didn't consider the unusual measure for restraning Misa as part of torture, rather, L's being extra cautious for the safety of the people who are interrogating her which also includes his own safety. :) Misa is suffering without a doubt under all these restrainment, but so did the people she so casually killed, and the families and friends who mourned those death!
I didn't consider the unusual measure for restraning Misa as part of torture, rather, L's being extra cautious for the safety of the people who are interrogating her which also includes his own safety. :) Misa is suffering without a doubt under all these restrainment, but so did the people she so casually killed, and the families and friends who mourned those death!
I understand completely the reasons for the restraints. I'm not saying that they shouldn't restrain her in that way. If it were just that, I wouldn't really be bothered that much :heh:.
It's the part afterwards with Watari slipping on his gloves by a cart of unidentified colored liquids, and L saying something along the lines of, "Do what you can to make her talk, but don't let her die." that implies the real torture that is to remain off-screen. Imaginations run wild :uhoh:
I had thought Misa was going to bite off her tongue to commit suicide or something, which is why Watari tied up her mouth before she could die and they'd lose their biggest lead in the Kira case. I hadn't thought that L and Watari may have thought she would kill them. Those are very good points.
Anyways, I was just wondering where Rem was from the time that Misa met up with L and Light. I always though Rem followed her everywhere. If Misa didn't see L's name, Rem probably saw it.
Well, maybe Rem was there and just wasn't shown to us.
And Misa saw L's name but with her memory being erased that hardly matters anymore. Rem may have been there and may have seen it as well but without Misa asking her to, Light would never get to know it from her.
It's the part afterwards with Watari slipping on his gloves by a cart of unidentified colored liquids, and L saying something along the lines of, "Do what you can to make her talk, but don't let her die." that implies the real torture that is to remain off-screen. Imaginations run wild :uhoh:
It is true that what we see on screen are merely necessary precautions but you got a point there, I also noticed that line.
I had thought Misa was going to bite off her tongue to commit suicide or something, which is why Watari tied up her mouth before she could die and they'd lose their biggest lead in the Kira case. I hadn't thought that L and Watari may have thought she would kill them. Those are very good points.
Actually I don't think L expected her to try killing him when she started talking; in that case he would've tied her mouth from the very beginning in the first place.
More probably he thought that she would kill herself with her powers as a "kira".
She begged for killing her and said something along the lines of "I'm gonna do it myself then" I believe.
Whispered.Hope
2007-01-26, 19:03
ahhh anyone who understands japanese!! Tell me what they said in the preview!! ..not asking for spoilers, just a translation to what Raito said
I second this~! xD I have an idea but I don't want to be wrong~!
It's the part afterwards with Watari slipping on his gloves by a cart of unidentified colored liquids, and L saying something along the lines of, "Do what you can to make her talk, but don't let her die." that implies the real torture that is to remain off-screen. Imaginations run wild :uhoh:
That is a thought I suppose. I don't completely agree with it, though I think you are right about the tongue-biting which lead to tieing her mouth as well.
A much more simpler explanation is that they don't want Misa to kill herself. It was mentioned in the episode that she refused to eat anything after her capture. It is easy to administer the essential to sustain a body through a life support system if she continues to remain unwilling to eat anything in the future. The "colored liquids" could be one of those truth-serum such as sodium pentathol that are so easily used in spy novels and such. Hence, the dialogue, "Do what you can to maker her talk, but don't let her die."
More we watch Watari, more it seems this butler is no ordinary being! He can make tea, he can interrogate, and L is even ready to leave all of his burden of work to Watari if he expires. :)
SealedTears
2007-01-27, 04:04
this is so faar the best episode of death note i ever seen O.o, i cant get it off my mind with L finding out about misa. And that in the end "kira" says Good bye to ryuku or wtf hes name was cant remember rigth now :o
Deathkillz
2007-01-27, 04:22
That is a thought I suppose. I don't completely agree with it, though I think you are right about the tongue-biting which lead to tieing her mouth as well.
A much more simpler explanation is that they don't want Misa to kill herself. It was mentioned in the episode that she refused to eat anything after her capture. It is easy to administer the essential to sustain a body through a life support system if she continues to remain unwilling to eat anything in the future. The "colored liquids" could be one of those truth-serum such as sodium pentathol that are so easily used in spy novels and such. Hence, the dialogue, "Do what you can to maker her talk, but don't let her die."
More we watch Watari, more it seems this butler is no ordinary being! He can make tea, he can interrogate, and L is even ready to leave all of his burden of work to Watari if he expires. :)
or the coloured liquids could be used to inject her with nutrients :p
but i do think that there more of watari than what meens the eye ~ looking at him i think hes the undertaker! :heh:
Wow this episode was awesome. The drama just keeps building and building, truly awesome. The best part of this episode is just after Light was told Misa was arrested, it showed Light like he was falling down. Then he just opens his eyes and stops and isn't going to give up, that was great.
How did L even know to look into Misa, where did he find this hair at?
Pretty harsh what L did to Misa, Light definately has his work cut out for him. I am VERY interested to see how Rem and Light will rescue Misa. I bet Light will somehow manipulate Rem into saving Misa so Rem will die and he can work freely without the threat of being killed. To be honest, using Rem would be the most logical choice since she will help Light rescue her, Ryuuk probably wouldn't help him out to the degree Rem would. Damnit, need more! :(
Quajafrie
2007-01-27, 05:51
How did L even know to look into Misa, where did he find this hair at?
L had sent one of the people in the investigation team to follow Light. So he saw that Misa has been hanging out with Light too much, and L decided to look up on her. I guess.
anselfir
2007-01-27, 06:39
You keep bringing up comparison to reality.
As much as this show borders on fantasy and realism, it is facing a crime of unimaginable scale, never before seen in history.
You can't percisely imagine what will happen in real life, if a criminal capable of killing ANYONE from ANYWHERE appears, and is performing murder regularly, now can you?
If such massive event was to take fold in reality, trust me, many rules will be bent, and authority will do everything they can, including giving the man who is the last hope of stopping it, massive executive power.
Draw me a triangle, and expect me to watch it, I wont.
ThisIsDream
2007-01-27, 13:10
I think in the opening theme, L stand on a silver stage, it should be a golden one i remeber
Draw me a triangle, and expect me to watch it, I wont.
I have no idea what you mean by this.
First rule of fiction is to try and imagine if the fictional events took place, what would be the outcome, isn't it?
Can you elaborate on what you mean by that, or are you just trying to be insulting, instead of being constructive?
ps3mania
2007-01-27, 16:49
I completly agree with foam, L is in big trouble
I'm moving my post and Fome's to the speculation thread for the first time viewers (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=38820) just in case. I also request that any other extensive speculation/prediction kindly be directed in one of those two speculation threads. Since those threads are there, we should put those into good use. :)
foolonthehill
2007-01-27, 21:59
I have a question about the episode...I skimmed the pages so I dont think it's been asked yet, but I could be wrong.
What made the police investigate Misa's apartment in the first place? That really confuses me...how did they all of a sudden decide that this random girls apartment needs to be checked? Did they somehow trace the tapes to her, and then search it or what? I didn't even think they knew who she was.
I have a question about the episode...I skimmed the pages so I dont think it's been asked yet, but I could be wrong.
What made the police investigate Misa's apartment in the first place? That really confuses me...how did they all of a sudden decide that this random girls apartment needs to be checked? Did they somehow trace the tapes to her, and then search it or what? I didn't even think they knew who she was.
Nothing has been specifically stated yet about how L made the connection, but there has been enough information to form an educated guess. Recall, when L asks one of the investigator to follow Light; he also asks him to keep it confidential from everyone else, especially from Light's father. If that investigator saw Misa with Light, then Misa immediately comes under suspicion of being the 2nd Kira. As it was said, the 2nd Kira would try to meet Kira-1. Since L suspects Light to be Kira-1, then Misa must be the 2nd Kira.
That said, take the above deduction with a grain of salt since I've only followed the anime. :) There are also a bunch of evidence like those hair fragments that aren't explained yet. This show has suddenly taken a huge turn. The upcoming episodes should be interesting.
SephirothYuyX
2007-01-27, 23:37
Best episode yet.
SealedTears
2007-01-28, 00:02
1 thing keeps nagging my mind here, since misa gave up her ownership on the death note. she will forget every thing about the death note and so on. BUT will she forget kira? or what he did to to the person who killd her parents? will she forget that she loves him and so on? thats been on my mind since i saw episode 15 3 times :P
foolonthehill
2007-01-28, 00:46
Nothing has been specifically stated yet about how L made the connection, but there has been enough information to form an educated guess. Recall, when L asks one of the investigator to follow Light; he also asks him to keep it confidential from everyone else, especially from Light's father. If that investigator saw Misa with Light, then Misa immediately comes under suspicion of being the 2nd Kira. As it was said, the 2nd Kira would try to meet Kira-1. Since L suspects Light to be Kira-1, then Misa must be the 2nd Kira.
That said, take the above deduction with a grain of salt since I've only followed the anime. :) There are also a bunch of evidence like those hair fragments that aren't explained yet. This show has suddenly taken a huge turn. The upcoming episodes should be interesting.
I suppose...but they'd have had to search everyone that Light's been in somewhat regular contact with since they deducted that Kira 1 & 2 met. Seems a bit farfetched (not to mention illegal - but that hasn't stopped them before ;) ). Oh well, I hope we get an answer.
but they'd have had to search everyone that Light's been in somewhat regular contact with since they deducted that Kira 1 & 2 met
But did anyone else Light has been in contact with visit him in his home like that? Perhaps that's why there was increased suspicion of Misa.
Wow, this ep was completely crazy. More plot twists and surprises than i ever anticipated in a single ep 0_o .... "Goodbye, Ryuk" < what was that all about ? Is he going to ditch Ryuk for Rem ? But what will that accomplish? Or... perhaps by ditching Ryuk he loses all his memories as well, but before that he will instruct Rem to come and give him the Death Note after some time later (after the suspicion has been cleared), and he might regain those memories that way ?
Bleh...that was one mean cliffhanger, i NEED the next ep T.T
1 thing keeps nagging my mind here, since misa gave up her ownership on the death note. she will forget every thing about the death note and so on. BUT will she forget kira? or what he did to to the person who killd her parents? will she forget that she loves him and so on? thats been on my mind since i saw episode 15 3 times :P
To quote directly from the episode, "The human you love is Yagami Light. Those feelings alone will remain." I guess she'll forget everything related to Kira and shnigami's, etc... including the murderer who killed her parents, anything that had to do with the Death Note. Only remembering Yagami's real life, being the college attending pro-tennis player she became infatuated with.
smeg4brainsuk
2007-01-29, 05:01
Question is how will Misa get out?
She may lose all her memories but im pretty sure L aint going to let her go just because she claims to have lost all her memories. Which leaves it all down to Light getting her out somehow. Ohhhh things are gonna start getting very interesting :D
Rei_Battlecake
2007-01-29, 06:25
First, hi to the forum here^^
Then, this episode was just awesome!
I nearly freaked out as Misa suddenly appeared at Uni... and I couldn't believe it got even crazyer as L suddenly answered Misa's Phone (thogh I already suspected such a thing as L wouldn't have touched Misa's if he hadn't planned something... [though i'd do so even without planning something ;)]) The way L threats Misa is indeed very brutal and her giving up her Death Note is a quite interesting decision...
Biggest question for me now is: How much does L now suspect Light as being Kira... We know he once suspected with a probability of around 5% or so, but now after the thing with Misa and probably knowing Lights Connection to her (at least he sure knows that he has seen Misa several times, as we know he lets someone follw Light), how much is he now suspecting Light...?
The other big question is what Light means with "Goodbye, Ryuk"... I suppose he intends to forget 'bout the DN and give it back to Ryuk, so that he can be cleared of any suspicions and so that he afterwards can get Rems Death Note... But kicking Ryuk from the series'd be such a shame, i kinda like the "guy" ;)
How much is L suspecting Light? Well, he's certain that Misa is the 2nd Kira.
Then, what are the chances of Light hooking up with the 2nd Kira by coincidence? minimal.
So L pretty much knows Light is Kira. What I'm wondering is why he doesn't have Light arrested already. L must be planning to lure Light into another trap, this time to get solid evidence that he is Kira and maybe to learn something about the way the murders are being committed.
Rei_Battlecake
2007-01-29, 15:35
Well at the preview we see Light sitting in a prison cell, so i think he'll get Light arrested just because he knows the second Kira, but as he already said before, L didn't suspect Light for more than 5% or so, so i don't think that he now suddenly is absolutely sure, that Light must be Kira and especially, he has not a single piece of evidence what means he can't do anything even if he'd know Light is Kira...
But we also see how L treats Misa, so we don't really know how much he, himself "bends" the law... I could imagine that L will arrest Light but he still has no evidence what would force him to release him after 24 hours... But as we see how L treats Misa, I don't really believe that L'd free Light after 24 hours even if he has no single piece of evidence....
A request to the anime viewers:
Since some of the anime-only fans seem to be very perceptive who need the smallest of clues to foresee an upcoming event or, reach a very good conclusion (like L), it would be best for every first time viewers to use the speculation thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=38820) created for the anime-only viewers. Don't worry. We will read you and shower you with praises once your speculation turns out to have merit. If those speculation turns out to be nothing more than old-wives-tale, then of course, we will ridicule you. Just kidding! :D
For now, I'm moving djc89 and Pycho Bolt's respective post to the speculation thread to have that thread a few posts it so sorely needs. Will read their speculation once I watch this episode. :)
Suffice it to say I thought of the same thing they did and was going to post it as well, but I guess I no longer need to. ;)
Kisuke06
2007-01-29, 18:31
This episode was awesome! I wonder what Light meant with "This is goodbye, Ryuuk", a person can only own one Death Note, and thus only "own" one Shinigami?
Suffice it to say I thought of the same thing they did and was going to post it as well, but I guess I no longer need to. ;)
lol.. Sure, why not? Just so you know, if Psycho Bolt and Djc89 do turn out to be wrong, we will look to persecute them and taunt them because they had dared to be wrong. :D
This episode was awesome! I wonder what Light meant with "This is goodbye, Ryuuk", a person can only own one Death Note, and thus only "own" one Shinigami?
That was mean by the animators to leave the first time viewers in such a suspense for one whole week. The answer better be good! *shakes fist at the animators. :heh:
SealedTears
2007-01-30, 04:31
To quote directly from the episode, "The human you love is Yagami Light. Those feelings alone will remain." I guess she'll forget everything related to Kira and shnigami's, etc... including the murderer who killed her parents, anything that had to do with the Death Note. Only remembering Yagami's real life, being the college attending pro-tennis player she became infatuated with.
in other words she will forget all about kira killing and shinigamis, that i know. but i was just thinking kira is related to death note and all that, so it woude be "normal" in my eyes if she forgot yagamior how u wrote hes name to. cuz the reason she used the death note and got the eyes, is because of him. and what will happen after, will she stile go after him? will she stile wanna date him?
well i cant wait for next eps. il see what happens
There's one point that's bothering me. Wouldn't she have to lose her eyes as well? Otherwise she's going to be wondering why the heck she can see people's names above their head.
There's one point that's bothering me. Wouldn't she have to lose her eyes as well? Otherwise she's going to be wondering why the heck she can see people's names above their head.
Think she will lose the shinigami eyes too, coz she will forget everything about the DeathNote including Light...
There's one point that's bothering me. Wouldn't she have to lose her eyes as well? Otherwise she's going to be wondering why the heck she can see people's names above their head.
If she's losing the powers of the Death Note, including all her memories of what happened - don't you think she'll lose them?
Rei_Battlecake
2007-01-30, 09:43
Hmmm assuming, she'll lose the shinigami eyes, does she get the half of her lifespan back or not?
Sendoh718
2007-01-30, 10:45
Hmmm assuming, she'll lose the shinigami eyes, does she get the half of her lifespan back or not?
no, she won't get it back.
She still might have a very long lifetime ahead though; we don't know how long exactly the lifespan of that Shinigami that saved her was.
as far as i get it she will forget everything about the death note and who is kira (so everything she would not know without finding a note herself) what strikes me is that rem told her that she will still love light but she would have never met him without the note well maybe that is because its not directly note related? but i think it's save to assume she will still like kira (and because rem said so that she will still love light) but she will not know that light and kira are the same person. and she obviously does not have the eyes anymore that would not make any sense.
anyway i bet the next ep will tell us more.
Sinestra
2007-01-30, 18:00
Wow did expect what went down to happen. L shows again why he is brilliant and underestimating is no wise. I feel bad for Misa yet in im glad for her i think the best thing that can happen to her is for her to completely forget about kira and the death note. but that now Light has 2 death notes which in my mind makes him twice as dangerous. But he lost his trump card with Misa and her Shinigami eyes and the real identity of L.
Light stated that once L is dead everything will be perfect for him. I do agree with this statement. L and Light are like 2 sides of coin. IMO Light feel at his best when he is going up against L no one can match him intellectually except for L. If and when L is killed not only has L left clues that if he dies soon Light is Kira but in doing so i think Light will feel a sense of loss, not out of friendship. He will have no one to talk to on his level nor will he have anyone who can go toe to toe with him. However his arrogance will be his downfall.
In short had to give it a 10 and the way Light said bye to Ryuk makes me want to watch the next episode so damn bad. Things are defiantly getting interesting,
Seriously.. Anyone would confess that they killed princess diana if they were tied up to that shit with all that light on them and stuff..
1. She had no way to move
2. Sleep like that..?
3. She couldn't see a thing
4. She didn't get any water
5. Those lights on her made me feel sick, imagine having so strong lights on you when you're totally dehydroated
6. She knew that Light would get mad if she said anything
7. L should be shoot in the knees and someone better force a hedgehog down his gay little fucking haepHREUPGA throat
Fuck that, seriously, won't be able to get any sleep as I'm still imagining how it'd be to endure all that at once.. Been drinking about 3L water since I saw the episode 30 mins ago. Maybe I'm sick as well
I'm the one voting painful btw, as that was just what this episode was
White Manju Bun
2007-02-09, 17:43
Man Im behind, all Im gonna say is the scene where Light is standing on the building with the red tint hair and the bgm, that was just awesome!
DmonHiro
2007-02-11, 16:02
I belive that L has just signed his own death certificate. I am now certain that L is going to die, maybe even by Rem's hands. Light is now relly upset, not so much for what happened to Misa(heartless jerk) but for how L played him. He's out for revange now. In the preview he said "But my stupid pride....I don't need it". In my book, that means "the gloves are off". Also, Rem WILL be out for L's blood, but she won't kill him unless Light fails. L now will lose the support of the poilce team, his fron as Light's friend is shot to hell, and he still has no idea how "Kira" is able to kill. I do hope L will die beacuse I really like Misa, and evem though she is a killer, I would still side with her.
This episode really shows it's not just about who is good or evil.
Sure, Light has a twisted sense of justice and hates to loose, but L is no saint either.
He hates to loose just as much and sacrifices anything to reach his goal, no matter what.
I just hope both Light and L dies in the end, twisted and heartless as they are-
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