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Whitemoon648
2007-02-06, 05:09
Yey first post
WOW i wonder what will happen now. From the looks of the previews I think some other person might have gotten the death note.
I thought Light had lost his memory but i guess i was wrong :).
Unholy FD3S
2007-02-06, 09:18
when can we expect 17 ?
when can we expect 17 ?
Tonight, after its aired.
I cant w8
I so love this show !!!
I think L will finds somting suspicious sins both suspects lose tier memory o well we will find it soon :confused: ( I DON'T READ MANGA )
O well whit the many twists in this show anything can happen
Deathkillz
2007-02-06, 16:56
i just cant wait to see how L gets out of this one :p light is trying to give him a mental breakdown by the looks of it and using the "confusion" tactic is a great was to break a super genius down :heh:
Omniscient
2007-02-06, 17:10
Episode 17 Screencaps and Summary (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2007/02/06/death-note-17/)
I really liked this episode (gave it a 9/10) because although I knew what was coming, I thought they executed the whole set-up scene really well. A very intense scene with some of the best animation we've seen in a while.
Rem at the start of the episode.. they know what i like.
Wow, the anime did such an awesome job at making the Yotsuba Corporation members look so damn evil. This is where the fact that the anime can go about using colors makes it a huge advantage at expressing something in the series. & yes.. more cute Misa-misa scenes. :3
Great episode - though the fact that you get excellent animation, then good animation.. its taken a while to get used to.
AHAHHAHAHAHAH...WTF is with this episode? Man it was great! <3333333 Misa even more!
Man this episode was freakin awesome! Started out so insanely serious where it even got me shocked. Man that whole car scene was intense. Treatening to kill your own son like that..WOW!
LOL, Misa personality and stuff has not changed, Light sure has towards her. He's more open and light hearted towards her and Misa is just full of spunk driving the detective team crazy.
This is sure getting extremely complicated. em seems to be running the show now. I'm guessing some of this was part of Lights plan or maybe not, but I'm guessing it was. But man I was completely suprised and did not epect this at all.
The episode was GREAT! Nice seriousness plus some good comic relief. Can't wait for next week!
atividia
2007-02-07, 10:41
So are they still following the manga? (just need a yes or no answer. No spoiling!)
Quajafrie
2007-02-07, 12:51
After an amazing OMG episode, we have this disappointing-as-hell episode. I suppose this is where Death Note winds down?
smeg4brainsuk
2007-02-07, 14:43
arg i need to learn japanese faster so i dont have to wait for subs :/
I enjoyed the episode.
I wonder how they are going to do the voice for the mystery man.
You'd think the voice will give away his identity.
shakildwz
2007-02-07, 17:15
The subs for this episode are out.
This episode was insane.
Wow... I'm still confused as shit..its apprent that Light gave the deathnote to one of the board members... but I'm wondering if Light's plan is still going on... I'm pretty sure he's not done yet.
Sockslayer
2007-02-07, 17:56
Amazing episode, the beginning was very intense, definetly put me on the edge of my seat. The ending I'm not sure if I like it.
Seems to me that involving some sort of corporation is going to remove all the great Light/L moments from the show, hopefully it will turn out ok
HurricaneHige
2007-02-07, 18:47
only 7/10 on this one tbh~
If L and Light becomes comrades and catch the "big bad final bad guy" i'll be very disappointed....tbh the only reason i got into this story is becuz the mindtwisting battle between L and Light. I sure hope to hell it'll come back~
On a side note, now that Light has no idea he's Kira, i wonder wat he'll look like when he finds out again XD especially after saying all that crap to L haha
If L and Light becomes comrades and catch the "big bad final bad guy" i'll be very disappointed....tbh the only reason i got into this story is becuz the mindtwisting battle between L and Light. I sure hope to hell it'll come back~
On a side note, now that Light has no idea he's Kira, i wonder wat he'll look like when he finds out again XD especially after saying all that crap to L haha
you won't be disappointed, after they catch the "3rd Kira"... the twist is still there.
I was so hoping Misa would die or stay in prison, her childish antics make even the annoying Light look more than tolerable. And L and Light staying together 24 hours a day seems too excessive, if they want to check on Light they could use different peopel to be with him, put bugs and cameras all around him, etc. Anyway, I am enjoying the plot but why can't I like a single character? :(
Ascaloth
2007-02-08, 10:06
I STILL cannot shake the image of Haruhi everytime Misa speaks...... >_<
Although having thought about it, I'm starting to think using Aya-chan as Misa's seiyuu is an underratedly inspired choice. I mean, think about it; she's like one of the few seiyuu who would be in a position to perfectly understand the character of Amane Misa. After all, they share such important similarities; both are basically just kids, both are starlets at the top of their game in the Japanese entertainment industry, and despite their young ages, both can be said to be veterans in the industry already. Therefore, if there ever is a seiyuu who would understand Misa, the experiences she might have gone through (excluding the part about her parents' murder, of course) in the entertainment industry, and how these experiences shaped her into the ditzy airhead she is today, it would be Aya-chan.
No offense intended to Aya-chan or her rabid fans, by the way. Please don't skewer me. :p
Of course, this begs a most interesting question; if they're so similar to each other, can it not be said that they're essentially two sides of the same coin? Or to put it this way; if Amane Misa is said to be brought to life by Aya-chan, can it not also be said that Misa is a corrupted reflection of Aya-chan herself?
In short, every time we see Misa on the screen, are we also looking unknowingly at the hidden dark side of Aya-chan? A Dark Aya-chan, if you will?
:D
psycho bolt
2007-02-08, 11:53
Ah a very good episode. This episode seems to have more comedy than the previous ones. Some bit of explainations and forshadowing.
shakildwz
2007-02-08, 13:51
Lol who's getting tired of Light's "kind voice"?
Ever since Light lost his memory, his been talking in his "kind" voice..I want his evil voice back!
Lol who's getting tired of Light's "kind voice"?
Ever since Light lost his memory, his been talking in his "kind" voice..I want his evil voice back!
I think it is kind of refreshing to hear Light in a more kind hearted tone for a while.. of course I am betting that we will eventually get his old calculating voice back and that ickty laughter as well...
Deathkillz
2007-02-08, 15:27
LOL quite the dramatic start :heh: *bang!*
i could just imagine light soiling himself there at that situation XD
well the animation quality was a bit lower than normal but still i love the new refershing jokes together with misa :D
and L is truly confused...the preview makes things look quite dramatic O.o
Have no idea what to say about this episode. Although I noticed a lot of comedy compared to other episodes, a lot more use of the traditional anime comedy routines (mostly from Misa). In a way this episode seemed very different than a traditional Death Note episode for that reason and more. I don't know what to expect from the whole corporation angle, as someone else said the best part of the show is the mind games between L and Light.
Pakxenon
2007-02-08, 20:40
Lol who's getting tired of Light's "kind voice"?
Ever since Light lost his memory, his been talking in his "kind" voice..I want his evil voice back!
I agree. DN hasn't been that exciting since Light lost possession of the Death Note. I would have been excited this episode if it weren't for some spoilers. -___-
OMG together 24 hrs/7 days a week? OMG...will they be taking craps together (OMG does L even...?)? They'll be taking showers together (OMG does L shower?)? I dunno, L is so weird already, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't. XD OMGx3 T-r-r-riple Combo! <3 (sry, just a little hyper).
But, scaring the lights out of Light (bad pun/joke) was entertaining. Rarely do you see Light really panic like he does when his dad points the gun at his head.
tempest3991
2007-02-09, 00:58
Wow......can anyone say that this was the most dissapointing episode yet?
Up until Light gave up ownership of the death note this series was mind boggling and very interesting. Once he gave up ownership, this series started to wind down.
What the hell is up with this corperation thing?
And the kind Light isn't very interesting at all. Also, don't get me started on Misa.
Misa is probably the most annoying character i've ever seen in any anime since she lost her memory. I hate this stupid cling to light no matter what and comedy is not what i want to see in this series.
Sorry, this series is great without comic relief....and where is the other death god? I like him.
Sorry, i give this episode a 1/10 because it looks like Death Note is going to be headed in a completely different direction and letting me down :rolleyes:
QwertyAccess
2007-02-09, 01:22
ha ha that 1/10 rating is way too low of a mark, Painful? Your kidding right, if we could rate posts... But anyway, I still feel death note is quite amazing, i love following this series without ever having seen the manga. The car scene in particular is very well done. I've been able to understand everything in the series without having to read the forums, it takes quite some thinking, its definitely a series you need to be a good thinker to understand.
On a side note the building L has he claims it to be 23 stories? It looks A LOT MORE THEN 23 Stories! if you asked me! Anyone got anything on this.
Aya's work in this episode is her best in Death Note yet.
This is my favourite episode now. The car scene was intense as hell and the Misa scenes are <3able.
tempest3991
2007-02-09, 01:37
Yeah and how the hell did they build a building with 23 floors in it in such a short period of time?
Idk, for my personal liking, this series could take a turn for the worst.
But, however since I am posting my opinion of what i think of the show, a bunch of people will attack me and attack my post because i don't feel the way they do. Thats how a bunch of people on this forum seem to act.
Quajafrie
2007-02-09, 03:58
I completely agree with you... That episode didn't feel like Death Note at all. Too stupid, seriously. Everything was so unrealistic; from L's plan on having Yagami-san pretending to kill his son (full of holes), to the 24/7 'working together'... I mean, who would do that? Oh, and since when does L lose his smartness? Because he just agreed to be with Light and Misa, even though they can "get back" their powers anytime (because it was L's 'conclusion' that Kira is some kind of a spirit) and kill him. So simple. And the whole chains thing, meh... This episode got me back to reality. The comedy was just like your generic ecchi anime: Awful. The kind Light doesn't help the situation either; I don't think that he was soo good before he got the Death Note, really. It's just a stupid writing trick to make L realize more that Light changed, to me.
SealedTears
2007-02-09, 07:37
il give this episode a 9/10
well i just love the sence with misa and ligth when he says "she forceing her feelings on me" :P and when they are arguing i was laughing so hard then.
Stalker san is a old man like you? :P
funny how people have the same reaction which is *meh*, wether it is in the anime or the manga. everybody feels down when light turns back to a normal school student. but frankly all of this is just to set up one of the greatest moments in manga's, and i expect anime's, history.
funny how people have the same reaction which is *meh*, wether it is in the anime or the manga. everybody feels down when light turns back to a normal school student. but frankly all of this is just to set up one of the greatest moments in manga's, and i expect anime's, history.
I sure hope you're right, as this episode (or at least the second half of it) was really disappointing. I mean are they trying to implement something like comic relief? This is Death Note ffs, cut it out already. Also Light is, as Quajafrie pointed out, very different from the beginning, completely out of character if you ask me.
Plus the let's-work-together-24/7-chain thing is not only stupid but annoying as well.
lycantivis
2007-02-09, 15:21
The chain thing isn't stupid, you guys just arn't thinking about it hard enough. From L's point of view even during the whole secret cameras part he didn't see any thing. Yet L still thinks light is kira. What better way to watch him that being there? L still thinks light is kira and its boggeling my mind to think how light is gona get the DN/memory back without L finding out about it.
We haven't really seen how Light behaved before getting DN, so we can't really say that he's now behaving unnaturally. There's no real sign that he really was ready to kill someone before getting DN or that he was megalomaniac. He was just bored and cursing world, that's not enough proof.
tempest3991
2007-02-09, 16:25
My question is where the hell did this organization come from? What is it?
They introduced it so fast, i hope they explain more about it.
No more comic relief either please. I prefer Misa to be locked up with that hannibal thing on her face and duct tape around her mouth. Her obsession is like the guy before me said, typical eicchi stuff.
Quajafrie
2007-02-09, 16:50
The chain thing isn't stupid, you guys just arn't thinking about it hard enough. From L's point of view even during the whole secret cameras part he didn't see any thing. Yet L still thinks light is kira. What better way to watch him that being there? L still thinks light is kira and its boggeling my mind to think how light is gona get the DN/memory back without L finding out about it.
Maybe you're the one who doesn't think about it hard enough... L's 'semi-conclusion' based on what he saw during the confinement is that Kira is some kind of a spirit that haunts different people for a period of time and then goes away. So, if Kira's spirit haunts Light once again, what would L do?
while this episode was cool i sure hope light will get the death note back. SOON! if he does not the rest of the series will become quite crappy :(
jacotyco
2007-02-09, 21:12
I think that Light is not hostile enough towards L. He made his father crazy enough to kill him! If i were Light, I'd kill L for my own sake(though that probably wouldn't be to smart XD). forget the death note, get a gun, get a knife, anything to get rid of that guy.
I also agree with above^ posts. Can't remember the last time i heard that evil laugh of Light's. *sigh*
From L's point of view even during the whole secret cameras part he didn't see any thing. Yet L still thinks light is kira. What better way to watch him that being there?
So he thinks he can see more things by looking from upclose than by using 64 cameras? This is some weird logic - can he see Light when the latter is behind his back? :) And of course L could use other people in order to not leave Light alone.
And releasing Misa was just hilariously unrealistic, as if in a huge case like this one, anyone suspected of so many murders would be released so easily, how the heck can they be certain she won't use her superpower to kill the policemen around her and escape? Just because she did not use it to kill Light's father in the car? Yeah, as if the story that he alone was driving them to be executed was that plausible in the first place in order to fool them...
Quajafrie
2007-02-10, 13:31
So he thinks he can see more things by looking from upclose than by using 64 cameras? This is some weird logic - can he see Light when the latter is behind his back? :) And of course L could use other people in order to not leave Light alone.
And releasing Misa was just hilariously unrealistic, as if in a huge case like this one, anyone suspected of so many murders would be released so easily, how the heck can they be certain she won't use her superpower to kill the policemen around her and escape? Just because she did not use it to kill Light's father in the car? Yeah, as if the story that he alone was driving them to be executed was that plausible in the first place in order to fool them...
Agreed. It's like the creator lost his smartness in an instant.
L wasnt being L in this ep but being more human . He was being childish and imamture not to release Lightu , it was more to do with ego and not admitting he was wrong . He wasnt wrong regarding Kira but sometimes you have to give it a rest .
The Highlight of this ep was L Towers and The Misa commenting Lightu n L swinging both ways :heh:
Quajafrie
2007-02-11, 03:31
Erm... Hello? L is supposedly the best detective in the world? The Kira case is the most important case in the world? Can L act childish in that kind of a situation? I think not.
Heh, I for one an not so disappointed at Death Note becoming a bit less serious. I'm sure there will be plenty of seriousness in the upcoming episodes. From a detective's standpoint I guess L's way of keeping an eye of Light is way too much of a bother, but it's certainly not less effective than using spies or cameras. This is funnier...I'll leave it at that.
Anyway main points of this episode:
Light and Misa get out of jail, which was to be expected of course. This episode does a lot to build them new personalities after the mind-wipe. It was necessary, I think. And it's not like L is completely ignorant of what happened. He pretty much knows that both of them are/were related to Kira.
We get clues of where Jealous' death note has now ended up. Very suprising and confusing. It looks as if this opens a whole new arc of the story where Light and L work together to capture the 3rd Kira. And after that...I'm expecting Light's master plan from when he still had the note to be set in motion.
L wasnt being L in this ep but being more human . He was being childish and imamture not to release Lightu , it was more to do with ego and not admitting he was wrong.
What? Why should he admit he was wrong, the circumstantial evidence still points at Light and in an extraordinary case like this such evidence is way more important than in ordinary ones where you can get more proof because of knowledge how the murder was done.
What? Why should he admit he was wrong, the circumstantial evidence still points at Light and in an extraordinary case like this such evidence is way more important than in ordinary ones where you can get more proof because of knowledge how the murder was done.
Well there was
* circumstanial evidence
* L's gut instinct which has never been wrong
* Light was associated with Kira 2 .
All these 3 things point Light ----> Kira . But there was no solid proof for keeping somone in confinement for over 50 days doesnt justify a hunch . I didnt come up with this the detective in L's team himself tells him the exact same thing ( 3.50 m.s ) That detective was biased but he was talking law , L was abusing power .
If L resorts to that whats the diffrence between L and Light ?
Erm... Hello? L is supposedly the best detective in the world? The Kira case is the most important case in the world? Can L act childish in that kind of a situation? I think not.
L is the best detecive in the world or no one would fianance to build that building . That doesnt make L perfect , he is human he is going to ire ie make mistakes NO ONE is always correct , there is nothing such as perfection . He was being childish stuborn and not willing to admit he was wrong . He should have still persued light but with a new approach
Light other than being a deranged power hungry physcopath is a snob and L is a social misfit . Light is supposedly a genius but he made a terrible error of judgement by killing the FBI agent who was investigating him . Without that there was no way to link Light to Kira .
All these 3 things point Light ----> Kira . But there was no solid proof for keeping somone in confinement for over 50 days doesnt justify a hunch . I didnt come up with this the detective in L's team himself tells him the exact same thing ( 3.50 m.s ) That detective was biased but he was talking law , L was abusing power.
Sure but it seems dumb to first imprison someone for fifty days based on only circumstantial evidence and then release him without being sure whether he is guilty or not. Not to mention that if someone with such superpower is captured in the real world he would most likely be "interrogated" (read tortured) until he spills the beans about how he murders people, circumstantial evidence or no circumstantial evidence.
But there was no solid proof for keeping somone in confinement for over 50 days doesnt justify a hunch
For all L knows, Light might kill just by thinking about it, without any external signs. How exactly do you find a proof? And if he is going to watch Light 24 hours a day, he can do it by leaving him in confinement and using cameras and police staff.
L should have resorted to torture and truth serum first hand instead of confinement . There is also Necro anaylisis / Brain mapping . I really dont how L was going to make Light confess with confinement .
This could have been done to Kira 1 and 2 at the earliest . Actually apart from ego and stuborn behaviour L must have though Light was better off locked up as the damage was restricted ...
Quajafrie
2007-02-11, 12:32
The main problem here is Misa. She admitted that she's Kira and there's evidence in her room about that. In reality there's no way L would let her SEE his face. You don't have to be a genius to think that. But L supposedly is, and didn't do anything at all. The mangaka just did it because he didn't know how to progress the story by any other way. Pathetic. Other things in the show before were strange (like L going to the same university with Light just because he was 'feeling' that Kira was Light, without any real evidence), but this is too much.
(like L going to the same university with Light just because he was 'feeling' that Kira was Light, without any real evidence), but this is too much.
Killing Ray exposed Kira . Till then no associated Light with Kira , there was a reason L when to Todai it wasnt strange ... to study his suspect first hand , playing mind games . L had profiled Kira he was checking if Light fit that profile ( the tennis match Light;s thoughts )
Quajafrie
2007-02-11, 13:25
I know that he was exposed from Ray Penbar but still, what L did was too much. He immediately, while watching too different houses, picked the one he 'sensed' that he's the most 'suitable' for the role of Kira, and decided to follow him. Real detectives don't act this way. Most times the real culprit is the one who doesn't look suspicious at all.
psycho bolt
2007-02-11, 18:12
I know that he was exposed from Ray Penbar but still, what L did was too much. He immediately, while watching too different houses, picked the one he 'sensed' that he's the most 'suitable' for the role of Kira, and decided to follow him. Real detectives don't act this way. Most times the real culprit is the one who doesn't look suspicious at all.
You're getting out of the 17 episode topic discussion.
The main problem here is Misa. She admitted that she's Kira and there's evidence in her room about that. In reality there's no way L would let her SEE his face. You don't have to be a genius to think that. But L supposedly is, and didn't do anything at all. The mangaka just did it because he didn't know how to progress the story by any other way. Pathetic. Other things in the show before were strange (like L going to the same university with Light just because he was 'feeling' that Kira was Light, without any real evidence), but this is too much.
Um, I didn't want to come into this topic, but after reading many of your posts, I can't help it.
First off, Misa has NEVER ADMITTED SHE'S KIRA. I don't watch fansubs, so I don't know if you watched some badly translated version of this anime or something.
Second, she's has already SEEN L's face, right before she was arrested. There's no point what so ever to try and hide from her now.
I'm sorry, but you keep criticizing the manga artist for "lack of intelligence", yet your "lack of observation" does not give your comments any more credibility.
Mystical Lint
2007-02-11, 22:22
I dunno why people keep focusing on what a "detective" would do or keep saying what L is doing is stupid and such...
From what I see.. L is not a detective. He is just a guy who is incredibly intelligent, well versed in the art of deduction, and get's involved with interesting and unsolvable crime cases because he enjoys it. He also knows precisely how to sit to increase his reasoning by 40%.
But he's always been right. He's always solved every case he's been on.
Maybe it's because of intuition or or other unorthodox means. But he's still always been correct.
And let's face it. However he came to his conclusion about Light and Misa... he was correct. He knows he was correct and it irks him that they outsmarted him somehow.
So whatever he wants to do know with Misa and Light is justified. He is an fact right about them he just needs proof. And, of course, he's got that track record that says his methods work no matter how unsound they may seem.
Then again, I probably just say this cause I like L.
I just what to know where he gets his big bucks from. His services to stop crime come at a hefty price? That'd be ludicrous considering his enjoyment in solving cases and his sense of justice. He's got to be somebody big. Or somebody big's son.
anselfir
2007-02-12, 06:08
my my aren't you being a good lil viewer and eating out of the director's hand.
ShikaShika
2007-02-12, 07:15
I happened to catch this on tv by coincidence (it was on really late :eek: ). Anyway, this pretty much marks the point in the manga where I lost interest... Memory loss is such a boring way to solve a problem when you've painted yourself into a corner... Imo it doesn't get much better from here, unless the anime does it's own ending.
Quajafrie
2007-02-12, 12:04
Um, I didn't want to come into this topic, but after reading many of your posts, I can't help it.
First off, Misa has NEVER ADMITTED SHE'S KIRA. I don't watch fansubs, so I don't know if you watched some badly translated version of this anime or something.
Second, she's has already SEEN L's face, right before she was arrested. There's no point what so ever to try and hide from her now.
I'm sorry, but you keep criticizing the manga artist for "lack of intelligence", yet your "lack of observation" does not give your comments any more credibility.Maybe she hasn't said anything about being the second Kira and I may be wrong with this (though her manner showed that she was more or less guilty, but I'm too bored right now to watch the episode to find specific points), but still, there's EVIDENCE. You can't free someone with this kind of evidence. And yeah, she has seen L's face, so what? She didn't know that that guy she saw at the university was L, she just saw a random guy's name. Even if she had the powers, she wouldn't kill that person.
I dunno why people keep focusing on what a "detective" would do or keep saying what L is doing is stupid and such...
From what I see.. L is not a detective. He is just a guy who is incredibly intelligent, well versed in the art of deduction, and get's involved with interesting and unsolvable crime cases because he enjoys it. He also knows precisely how to sit to increase his reasoning by 40%.
But he's always been right. He's always solved every case he's been on.
Maybe it's because of intuition or or other unorthodox means. But he's still always been correct.
And let's face it. However he came to his conclusion about Light and Misa... he was correct. He knows he was correct and it irks him that they outsmarted him somehow.
So whatever he wants to do know with Misa and Light is justified. He is an fact right about them he just needs proof. And, of course, he's got that track record that says his methods work no matter how unsound they may seem.
Then again, I probably just say this cause I like L.
I just what to know where he gets his big bucks from. His services to stop crime come at a hefty price? That'd be ludicrous considering his enjoyment in solving cases and his sense of justice. He's got to be somebody big. Or somebody big's son.Oh, how convenient! He's just right, even though his plans are full of holes and I'm not sure if he understands what he does, but he can't be wrong at anything, especially since he sits in that way! Just because he's L, and L's always right, and L is Superman, and L is justice, and L always wins. Great.
my my aren't you being a good lil viewer and eating out of the director's hand.
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I can't understand at all. So you think that creators are some kind of Gods who can never make a mistake and no one can criticize them or oppose to them? No, they're not.
Well, strange twist for the series. I still liked the episode, though I'd give it about a 7/10. Few funny parts but it just seemed out of place for all the comedy. I somewhat agreed with the afro-detective's plea to "This is the Kira Case. Do it more seriously!"
It's all keeping me intrigued, though, and since I don't read the manga I'm still wondering what direction it all could go.
Maybe she hasn't said anything about being the second Kira and I may be wrong with this (though her manner showed that she was more or less guilty, but I'm too bored right now to watch the episode to find specific points), but still, there's EVIDENCE. You can't free someone with this kind of evidence. And yeah, she has seen L's face, so what? She didn't know that that guy she saw at the university was L, she just saw a random guy's name. Even if she had the powers, she wouldn't kill that person.
So what? Did you say So what?
You first said she ADMITTED TO BEING KIRA, and now you say circumstantial evidence pointing her to kira is the same thing? You gotta be out of your mind. If you can't take any responsibility for your own words, then I suggest you don't say them at all.
Admitting to a crime, and circumstantial evidence pointing one to a suspect, is NEVER a same thing. Duh.
Precicely BECAUSE of circumstantial evidence that points towads her, L is confidnet she's Kira. However, she has NOT admitted to being one, and that's precicely the reason why he wants to keep her on leash.
I see no flaw in logic there.
And as for seeing his face....
Kira only needs to tell her "it's that guy you saw at the university" for her to use her powers. That's why HIDING from her does not do jack squat. L knows this, that's why he wants to keep Misa, who he's confident is the second Kira, and Light, who he suspects to be the real Kira, on leash, close to him.
L already has the information that Kira can kill from any distance. Moving them away, out of his sight, does not do him any good. He knows they can kill him anywhere, anyway. He already knows his life is in the same danger no matter what.
Again, your flaw of logic gives you absolutely no credibility over the manga artist.
And you say you're "too lazy" to go back and watch?
Well... don't blame your laziness and lack of observation, as well as your lack of understanding the logic, on the manga artist's intelligence.
When in doubt, always doubt your own observation first, make a detailed analization, then finally, give conclusion.
That is the basic of analyzing anything, my friend.
anselfir
2007-02-12, 20:45
I can't understand at all. So you think that creators are some kind of Gods who can never make a mistake and no one can criticize them or oppose to them? No, they're not.
my my your grasp of sarcasm is sharp as ever
Honestly, this was such an intense episode that I could not help myself at getting goosebumps from watching it.
I have NEVER read the manga, therefore, I thought the plot would only be positioned on the race of wits between L and Light/Kira to find out each other identity with the entire police taskforce on their backs and the scales of power in balance. However, I never thought that the story would be moving on out of bounds and towards something even bigger and sinister.
Somehow the first half reminded me to the story of Abraham. He was tested by GOD to sacrifice his own son as an act of utter faith and obedience towards GOD.
For Abraham it was a judgement passed on to him, because his judgement dwindled whether he should fullfill his sacred duty toward GOD or spare his son due to love for his own child.
I'm very certain Souichirou felt the same way Abraham did, or technically he realistically tricked me to empathize his case to that of Abraham. However, I knew it all along that it was a ruse from the start once Souichirou told Misa and Light about their executions.
Why? Because there was mention about the fake L, Lind L. Taylor, that Light/Kira murdered, and it came to my mind that the L impersonator was a cleverly ruse devised by L to get a reaction from Kira.
For Souichirou acting the role of becoming Light's executioner and followed later by his own suicide was another of L's schemes to test out if Light and Misa were indeed the 1st and 2nd Kira.
I'm glad such tense and heated pass by, but how I reacted to the gunshot heard offscreen was sweaty and restless that felt like the real thing, at least for me.
I could not stop feeling relief and a sense of satisfaction that was Light was acquitted from all charges and inminent suspicion, though he as Kira deliberately planned his imprisonment and memory wipe-out to shake off suspicions.
If I think things through, for L to grant Light full-time access and permission to get involve on the matters concerning the Kira investigation squad 24x7 time it was a side victory apart from Light's original plan to get clear from all of L's suspicion.
It looks like the possibility that L had Rem to give away Misa's DEATH NOTE to another human was not out of the question at all and either unfathomable.
That's why I believe that the story finished a critical climax and has moved on to what looks like world-wide leagues.
We have learned that Rem gave the second DEATH NOTE to a member of the Yotsuba group, which it is most likely a worldly, ring criminal organization.
And each of the eight heads are startled that Kira has given to them his backup.
If you ask me, I am certain that to whom Rem give away the DEATH NOTE is to Higuchi. He was shown very ambitious and callous that Kira has turned the tides to their favor.
While Ryuk displays amusement for the doings and wrongdoings of humans this is juxtapoed by Rem's aversion toward humans for the way they profit through the death of other humans.
The episode delivered a good deal of beautiful shots of Souichirou, Amane, and Light when they were about to break down.
Unfortunately, I disliked the funny antics for the second half of the episodes. Those comedy moments mostly involve Misa's whinning, delirious fantasies of dating Light, and her genkiness. They remember me of those seinen, romantic comedy series.
Her squeaky and squealing voice got on my nerves.
funny how people have the same reaction which is *meh*, wether it is in the anime or the manga. everybody feels down when light turns back to a normal school student. but frankly all of this is just to set up one of the greatest moments in manga's, and i expect anime's, history.
yeah, this eps was lackluster at best
I feel nothing :/
unlike the andrenaline rush, the anticipating, the cold drop of sweat on every movement that Light make, etc
also I screw myself and read the spoiler, which I regret very much :(
Spastic_Hobo
2007-02-13, 03:34
i love the contrast of this innocent Light to the evil coniving one from before. They did a really good job of translating that over from the manga.
hitokirigirl
2007-02-13, 06:29
Hum, I want L's screensaver !! :D
I just saw the raw, and I hope that L's obsession towards Raito will be explained in the next episodes.
As Raito and that afro policeman said, L is acting weird, and persecutes Raito without any proof.
I hope the new villains showing up will at least give Raito some rest of being suspected ...
ApathyEcstasy
2007-02-13, 06:55
the production values really took a dump in this episode but the previews show that it has returned to normal in ep 18 thankfully
StrawHatLuffy
2007-02-13, 08:22
Just to defend the series for those who found this episode somewhat disappointing: bear with it! It's building up for a huge climax which is one of my favourite points in the manga.
Yes, this was part of his plan.
im confused..light is good for now i hope he recovers his evil interesting side quickly i didnt like this whole shitty corporation plot so far...
give us back the real Light!!
also im starting to suspect L is gay and hes in love with light.they will have to shower together now.
I think I got a little lost somewhere. When light said the word "discard" he lost all knowledge of the death note, right? But then how did this organization get a hold of it? Did Remi* just "find" this person and give it to them on a temporary basis? Is Light just subletting the death note out? Did he know who Remi would give it to?
What is Ryuk doing? has he gone back to his old world?
Maybe I just haven’t been paying proper attention the last few eps but this all seems a little scatty to me right now...
Shay: You're not supposed to know whats going on at this point. What you mentioned doesn't need rewatching episodes.
Quajafrie
2007-02-14, 09:58
my my your grasp of sarcasm is sharp as ever
Erm... maybe I understood what you said and I just quoted it as an answer to Mystical Lint? That's why I put --- after it, dammit.
You first said she ADMITTED TO BEING KIRA, and now you say circumstantial evidence pointing her to kira is the same thing? You gotta be out of your mind. If you can't take any responsibility for your own words, then I suggest you don't say them at all.
Admitting to a crime, and circumstantial evidence pointing one to a suspect, is NEVER a same thing. Duh.
Precicely BECAUSE of circumstantial evidence that points towads her, L is confidnet she's Kira. However, she has NOT admitted to being one, and that's precicely the reason why he wants to keep her on leash.
I see no flaw in logic there.
I admit I was wrong with her admitting that she's the second Kira, okay? (Yeah, it's my lack of observation due to lacking subtitles) But even if that's the case, there are many other flaws on L's plan.
And as for seeing his face....
Kira only needs to tell her "it's that guy you saw at the university" for her to use her powers. That's why HIDING from her does not do jack squat. L knows this, that's why he wants to keep Misa, who he's confident is the second Kira, and Light, who he suspects to be the real Kira, on leash, close to him.
L already has the information that Kira can kill from any distance. Moving them away, out of his sight, does not do him any good. He knows they can kill him anywhere, anyway. He already knows his life is in the same danger no matter what.
And then you call my logic flawed... Whatever. So, how exactly can Kira tell her that "it's that guy you saw at the university", though I really doubt if Misa would remember him anyway. Well, with the two of them released, he can easily do that, but with both in confinement, how can he tell Misa? Having them out of his sight? Are you kidding me? 24 hours a day is now called "out of his sight"? Or did I say that L should let them completely free?
hitokirigirl
2007-02-14, 14:24
To sum up the new situation :
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courtesy of ushitora-icons.livejournal.com
And then you call my logic flawed... Whatever. So, how exactly can Kira tell her that "it's that guy you saw at the university", though I really doubt if Misa would remember him anyway. Well, with the two of them released, he can easily do that, but with both in confinement, how can he tell Misa? Having them out of his sight? Are you kidding me? 24 hours a day is now called "out of his sight"? Or did I say that L should let them completely free?
Again, you're not thinking straight.
You're looking at it from the AUDIENCE's view.
You're basing your assumptions over information that YOU and I have, not what L has.
L does not know that Misa and Kira totally lost their memory. The only information he has, is that evidences points towards Misa as Kira2, and that she is in league with Kira1. And for some reason, the two suspects attitudes changed during their confiment.
That is the only inormation L has.
Try to think in the character's shoes, not in YOURS.
Also, you pretty much answered your OWN question.
You proved yourself, that L's decision to keep potential Kira on leash is correct.
Again, keep in mind... he does NOT know what the extent of Kira's powers are. Thus, he must assume the worst, and do anything in his power to observe them. Unfortunately, it goes against the other police officers interest, and thus, he must make adjustments to his plan.
Mystical Lint
2007-02-15, 03:21
As fun as condescendingly snide comments are... I'm just not feelin them.
So yes, I'm working with what the creators give me.
I didn't like the episode that awful much... I didn't like the change of atmosphere given by Misa. And I don't like the potential things that could happen in the future because of these recent events. Especially since the chain seems aimed at giving humorously awkward circumstances.
But I'm going to assume L at least has his reasons and this is the best possible way to both keep them under control as well as give them as much freedom as possible.
It seems to me L has morals enough (or is it regard for the law?) that he doesn't wish to keep them when evidence is building against him. (perhaps he is one of the few who uphold 'innocent until proven guilty')
But he also knows his conclusions are never wrong blah blah blah so he doesn't give them full freedom.
And of course I don't think he has any idea what he would do if Kira's spirit came back into Light. He doesn't really know what it's capable of. And I remember that when he first heard he may be dealing with Death Gods L seemed genuinely frozen with fear. But I also have to assume he's only doing what puts the least amount of people in danger as well as keeping an eye on Light.
So eating out of the creators hands? Maybe. Trying to enjoy this series the best I can? Hell yeah! Don't try to make it out as such a bad thing. It's still a great anime.
I may like L but I'm rooting for evil Light. And I still think this series has much in store in it's future. *shrug*
And I have to watch the new episode soon...
Kisuke06
2007-02-15, 14:39
Wow, Light really seems another person without the Death Note. I guess that there are things that really can change you...
Quajafrie
2007-02-16, 09:27
Again, you're not thinking straight.
You're looking at it from the AUDIENCE's view.
You're basing your assumptions over information that YOU and I have, not what L has.
L does not know that Misa and Kira totally lost their memory. The only information he has, is that evidences points towards Misa as Kira2, and that she is in league with Kira1. And for some reason, the two suspects attitudes changed during their confiment.
That is the only inormation L has.
Try to think in the character's shoes, not in YOURS.
Huh? Did I base my assumption over the information the audience has? If L knew what we know, it would be okay to let the two of them free. But because doesn't know about their memory loss, normally he shouldn't let them free. Anyways, most probably you didn't understand what I said.
he must assume the worst
That's the exact reason why he shouldn't let them free. His plan doesn't make sense, because he made a hypothesis that Kira is a spirit and followed it, ignoring everything else. It's like he knows what's happening, and for some reason he's too damn sure that he isn't going to die by doing this.
Huh? Did I base my assumption over the information the audience has? If L knew what we know, it would be okay to let the two of them free. But because doesn't know about their memory loss, normally he shouldn't let them free. Anyways, most probably you didn't understand what I said.
That's the exact reason why he shouldn't let them free. His plan doesn't make sense, because he made a hypothesis that Kira is a spirit and followed it, ignoring everything else. It's like he knows what's happening, and for some reason he's too damn sure that he isn't going to die by doing this.
L never wanted to let them free. Go watch the episode he released them from cells again. He was given no choice, since evidences weren't strong enough to hold them.
If L could help it, he would have kept them detained, since he is sure they are Kira.
That's why he's trying to keep eye on Light, since he couldn't "detain" them anymore, the best he could do is to keep him near him, and to watch what he does.
That's why I said "Unfortunately, it goes against the other police officers interest, and thus, he must make adjustments to his plan."
SnEptUne
2007-03-05, 23:29
Only recently have I started watching Death Note, so please excuse my delayed reply. Frankly, I was disappointed by the way the anime is progressing. I was hoping episode 18 is the last episode, and that Light and Misa had forgotten about the Death Note as well as everything about themself in the pass few months. Both of them were released due to lack of evidence. One rainy night, as Light became intricited by the red apple in his palm, he met Misa. Even though they don't remember each other, they felt as if they had met before. Life continued as they began to hunt for their forgotten past, a past they don't want to remember. Yet, it is a past they both shared. That's the ending I was hoping for.
Hopefully, the characters in the anime will realized that evil is born within everyone, but human isn't ugly in nature. Light and shadow, one cannot exist without another.
Anyway, now that I know my ending isn't possible, I wish both Light and L will grew up. Although I doubt L will since he seems to care more about himself being correct than saving lives. I wouldn't go into the discussion whether it is justifiable to sacrify one life to save a thousand, but both Light and L is very similar in that sense.
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