CLANNAD the Movie [Archive]

Sushi-Y

2007-02-22, 17:18

And they go and make it a film rather than a series. GG guys. And while I've got nothing personal against Toei... after their version of Kanon, I'm not really holding out that much hope for this film. Though to be fair it's not like Toei are the same as they were in 2002, so they may yet surprise :)
Like I mentioned elsewhere when Toei announced the CLANNAD movie adaptation last year, there's a pattern to this thing. Toei has already worked on Kanon (TV anime) and AIR (movie), with Kyoto Animation coming into the scene later each time with something that completely shadows Toei's version of the adaptations. With a Toei CLANNAD movie due out this year, it would almost be natural to expect a Kyoani CLANNAD TV animation to follow after that. With Kyoani's current busy schedule though, nobody knows when it'll come. But I think all Key fans will agree by now that we expect no less than Kyoani when it comes to a CLANNAD anime adaptation.

Still, that doesn't mean the CLANNAD movie will be a flop. That would be giving Toei too little credit. I'm still very much looking forward to the movie, although I fear it would be nothing but a barebone version of Nagisa's story, simply because of CLANNAD's sheer size and length. CLANNAD is longer than both Kanon and AIR combined for a reason, after all.

Radiosity

2007-02-22, 18:25

Like I mentioned elsewhere when Toei announced the CLANNAD movie adaptation last year, there's a pattern to this thing. Toei has already worked on Kanon (TV anime) and AIR (movie), with Kyoto Animation coming into the scene later each time with something that completely shadows Toei's version of the adaptations. With a Toei CLANNAD movie due out this year, it would almost be natural to expect a Kyoani CLANNAD TV animation to follow after that. With Kyoani's current busy schedule though, nobody knows when it'll come. But I think all Key fans will agree by now that we expect no less than Kyoani when it comes to a CLANNAD anime adaptation.

You're not the first to mention it either, because I already came to the same conclusion some time ago during discussions in an IRC channel I idle in. I still believe that they should go with maximum wow factor the first time round with a 24-26 ep series done by KyoAni when they have time, rather than diving into a truncated feature film version like this.

Still, that doesn't mean the CLANNAD movie will be a flop.

Neither do I, and will likely enjoy it as much as I did the Air film (which was ok for the most part.) I just don't think it's really a good move.

edit:

It's too bad that no one's made Planetarian into a movie yet.

Now that's something I would love to see a good quality film of. It's short enough for it to be absolutely mind-blowingly awesome and atmospheric and sweet, particularly if a really high quality studio did it.

Leo_Otaku

2007-02-22, 19:51

I wonder how the movie foucus will be, and which bits they will change. I can't wait to see Nagisa animated ^-^

For planetarian if it were to be animated, I wonder if they would animate bits from the novel.

Looking way ahead I hope for a Little Busters anime too XD

FatPianoBoy

2007-02-22, 19:56

I'm still very much looking forward to the movie, although I fear it would be nothing but a barebone version of Nagisa's story, simply because of CLANNAD's sheer size and length.

Fear? That's what I'm hoping for. It'll be a total mess if they try to focus on more than one of the ladies. Sure, the others can have small parts, but spreading itself too thin would be far worse than just focusing on one single plot thread.

Sushi-Y

2007-02-22, 22:03

I wonder how the movie foucus will be, and which bits they will change. I can't wait to see Nagisa animated ^-^
The focus will be on Nagisa almost without a doubt. The other heroines will probably get a cameo/sub-heroine level appearance during the school life arc, and then fade out once we get into the After Story portion (speculation).

For planetarian if it were to be animated, I wonder if they would animate bits from the novel.
Planetarian would make a good movie, although for some reason, it doesn't look like anyone is expecting one. Perhaps because of its limited story contents compared to a full-fledged game?

Looking way ahead I hope for a Little Busters anime too XD
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. First we need to hope that the game actually gets released on the promised date first. :heh:

Fear? That's what I'm hoping for. It'll be a total mess if they try to focus on more than one of the ladies. Sure, the others can have small parts, but spreading itself too thin would be far worse than just focusing on one single plot thread.
Oh, no, I wasn't suggesting in any way that they should try to capture the other girls' routes. To begin with, that would be impossible to do even if we split the movie into several installments. Besides, most other heroines' routes weren't all that significant compared to Nagisa's epic main route anyway (save Fuuko's, I cried so damn hard during her ending :( ).

By barebones I meant the movie having so little room to wiggle, they wouldn't have time to portray anything from Nagisa's story except the bare minimum that's required for the story to make sense. We're talking about a story that progresses through several eras in the characters' lives, after all.

Another concern I have, though less important, is the atmosphere the movie will end up providing. Anyone who played CLANNAD (or any Key game, for that matter) will tell you that it is a game that's as funny as it is touching (I think game fans will agree that CLANNAD wouldn't be CLANNAD without Sunohara or Akio's gut-bustingly funny antics). If possible, I want to see a movie that can maintain the "serious but gut-wrenching funny at times" atmosphere that the game managed to achieve.

Then again, maybe I'm just worrying too much. Dezaki-san is one of the most experienced anime directors out there, and I'm sure his experience with AIR movie will help with CLANNAD as well.
(then again, the guy is like 54 years old... ^^; )

Sorrow-K

2007-02-22, 22:31

Sign me up as another person who doesn't see this working. There have just been too many examples in anime history of lengthy complex stories losing all that makes them meaningful and interesting when they're squeezed into a two hour movie. Sure, the AIR movie was acceptable, since it was more an adaptation than a direct retelling, but it was nothing compared with the TV series. Without knowing much about the CLANNAD story, I'd guess they'd do a similar thing with that, but my early guess is that it's going to be underwhelming compared with the source material.

And it seems I'm not the only one who would love to see KyoAni do a full length TV series with the CLANNAD story. They've shown already that they have a massive respect for Key's stories and the way they handle them is outstanding. We may dream, I guess. Hopefully Kanon 2006 will be a massive financial success to the point that KyoAni would see the benefit of bowing the any public requests for them to animate a CLANNAD TV series.

velocity7

2007-02-23, 01:28

Looking forward to the movie, for two reasons:

1. Nagisa animated! :heh:
2. Good way to attract attention to my translation project! ;)

TOEI can either do this two ways; they can either, as Sushi-Y said, have a barebones version of Nagisa's route (would that cover both School and After stories?). Or, they could do a completely original scenario that only involves Nagisa and ties the 幻想世界 a lot more than it should be. Maybe to the point where it's more like the AIR movie was. Not saying it's bad, I haven't seen it myself, but you never know when you only have 90 minutes.

-Nyu-

2007-02-24, 01:53

Yeah, but what I mean is that a Toei movie doesn't preclude the possibility of a TV series by another company.

It's too bad that no one's made Planetarian into a movie yet.

Better not! Planetarian (http://www.visual-novels.net/vn/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=91&Itemid=28) is so sad that I'd cry over a week q.q
Yeah, Clannad movie, I can't hide that I'm little displeased that it's not KyoAni doing this. Moreover I played the game and it's long and I just wonder: How the hell they want to make a movie out of this? There were already mentioned a few possibilities, but it's still hard to imagine for me.
Ah, as for little Busters, the game release date is the 27th July (http://www.visual-novels.net/vn/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=224&Itemid=2), so better keep back with anime and stuff, that's how rumors get started!
But throwing away all questions and doubts, a KEY visual novels is getting animated, that's already a good reason for a party!^-^

Skane

2007-02-25, 07:45

Its to good to be made into a movie.

& thats true, we shouldn't exclude the possibility of a CLANNAD TV series happening in the future.. hopefully by you know who.
Like I mentioned elsewhere when Toei announced the CLANNAD movie adaptation last year, there's a pattern to this thing. Toei has already worked on Kanon (TV anime) and AIR (movie), with Kyoto Animation coming into the scene later each time with something that completely shadows Toei's version of the adaptations. With a Toei CLANNAD movie due out this year, it would almost be natural to expect a Kyoani CLANNAD TV animation to follow after that. With Kyoani's current busy schedule though, nobody knows when it'll come. But I think all Key fans will agree by now that we expect no less than Kyoani when it comes to a CLANNAD anime adaptation.

Still, that doesn't mean the CLANNAD movie will be a flop. That would be giving Toei too little credit. I'm still very much looking forward to the movie, although I fear it would be nothing but a barebone version of Nagisa's story, simply because of CLANNAD's sheer size and length. CLANNAD is longer than both Kanon and AIR combined for a reason, after all.
IF, and I stress on the "if", KyoAni ends up doing a remake of CLANNAD shortly thereafter. I am going to be really paranoid about my "Key's Conspiracy" theory. :p

Natch.

orion

2007-02-25, 10:09

Hey, I don't mind this type of a conspiracy from Key. If they get an R1 distributor on board too, that would be great. :D

nani

2007-02-25, 11:21

TOEI can either do this two ways; they can either, as Sushi-Y said, have a barebones version of Nagisa's route (would that cover both School and After stories?). Or, they could do a completely original scenario that only involves Nagisa and ties the 幻想世界 a lot more than it should be. Maybe to the point where it's more like the AIR movie was. Not saying it's bad, I haven't seen it myself, but you never know when you only have 90 minutes.

Another possibility is that the film will only cover Tomoya and Ushio's event in After Story.
Nagasi will only appear as a side character when Tomoya recalls events during their school years.

I am not sure if 幻想世界 and the "light orbs" can be fitted into the 90 minute time frame.

(save Fuuko's, I cried so damn hard during her ending :( ).

Same here, which is quite surprising.

After learning her true identity, I was saying "Not again....." to myself. I thought her story will be a repeat of another story by Key. Obviously, this is not the case and I am pleasantly surprised.:)

It's too bad that no one's made Planetarian into a movie yet.

There is still hope. After all, Key had produced an original novel, an OST and a drama CD last year, two years after the game was released. I am hoping that the movie (if there is one) will include events in 星の人 and チルシスとアミント(the last two chapters in the novel) as epilogue to give the story a bit more closure.

Question

2007-02-25, 13:08

So does anyone know how long this movie is going to be? An hour? 1.5?

-Nyu-

2007-02-25, 14:57

So does anyone know how long this movie is going to be? An hour? 1.5?

There is no info on the official site yet. I'd guess 1.5 - 2 hours.

FireChick

2007-02-25, 15:48

Maritime

2007-02-25, 16:31

Sushi-Y

2007-02-25, 22:26

It actually is a repeat.

Fuuko is the astral projection of a comatose girl according to Wikipedia. Also, Ayu from Kanon was another projection so they copied Ayu's...spirit projection and made Fuko into one. Well, I might be right...I think
Although Key veterans can easily point out the common trait shared between Fuuko and Ayu, both their character and story are on a completely different vector. At the very least, Fuuko's character and story setting felt completely original to me. I would even go as far as to say that Fuuko's route hit me harder than Ayu's did.

How on Earth did Toei manage to get their hands on this project? I only discovered Key and their excellent works about a month ago but after watching Kyoto's Air and Kanon '06 and comparing them to Toei's Air Movie and Kanon '02 there's no doubt in my mind as to which company is more faithful to the original Key material. Don't get me wrong, Toei have done some really great work over the years but I personally feel that they're just not good enough to tell the sort of stories that Key makes.

I'd really like to be wrong on this, but I just can't see it.
That's the problem really. People tend to think Toei=bad and Kyoani=god, I mean good, but that's not really true. If we were to look at Toei's adaptations on their own, they are by no means bad. For example, people generally considered Toei's Kanon a good adaptation back in 2002. And if we don't think about Kyoani's AIR anime, I'd say Toei's AIR movie wasn't that bad either.

So it's really Toei=good, but Kyoani=better. Kyoani deserves the praise because they really put the effort into their creations, but that still doesn't make Toei a bad company in any way. If there's going to be a Kyoani CLANNAD TV anime in the future, then great. But even if there isn't one, it still shouldn't affect how we rate this movie.

Either way, as long as they don't bend or mess around with the scenario, I'll be happy with whatever we get out of this movie.

By the way, here are my personal top 5 scenes (besides the main story of Nagisa route + After Story + Illusion World) that I wish to see in animation (some are probably impossible to fit in the movie):
5. Sunohara's attempts to expose Tomoyo as a man (智代、おまえのおっぱい貸してくれ！(Tomoyo, lend me your boobs!) :heh: )
4. Tomoyo's Sunohara-64hit-combo (impossible in animation? :heh: )
3. Akio/Sanae-san's manzai scenes in general (俺は大好きだぁ！！)
2. Tomoya's journey to becoming Fuuko Master + Fuuko route in general
1. Ushio arc in general

nani

2007-02-26, 12:01

Since the movie will probably be 90 min long, my wish list of game materials to be included into the movie will be very short:

The 64 Hit Combo (Actually, this scene is a good way to let all the other characters to make a cameo appearance)

Naoyuki's and Ushio's stories (The theme of Clannad is family. I think it will be a good idea to illustrate this theme by describing the issues Tomoya faced with, both as a son and as a father).

aohige

2007-03-06, 23:59

CLANNAD: Fall of 2007
Toei Animation / Director: Osamu Dezaki
(same as Air movie. legendary director for many classics such as Ashita no Joe, The Rose of Versailles, etc)

Vexx

2007-03-07, 15:36

How on Earth did Toei manage to get their hands on this project? I only discovered Key and their excellent works about a month ago but after watching Kyoto's Air and Kanon '06 and comparing them to Toei's Air Movie and Kanon '02 there's no doubt in my mind as to which company is more faithful to the original Key material. Don't get me wrong, Toei have done some really great work over the years but I personally feel that they're just not good enough to tell the sort of stories that Key makes.

I'd really like to be wrong on this, but I just can't see it.

I kind of get the feeling that TOEI is Key's lower-budget test market tool. Although I can't quite figure out why they'd go for the movie first (rather than something like the AIR sequence... perhaps the movie sales on AIR were disappointing to them so they think a movie-first might maximize that profit item before moving to OVAs or a series... especially since given the material they might have to resort to a two season series).

houkoholic

2007-03-07, 15:59

Actually Toei is the much larger company here (don't let the Kyoani hype get to you, Kyoani is still really just a small production house), therefore they were probably rich enough to fork over the money in advance to take full control of the project in a way that was satisfactory to Key. Plus the Clannad movie project was announced as far back as last year along side the Kanon 2k6 TV at TAF. If anything the two projects were probably concurrent.

Also the Kyoani Key work adaptations are a collaboration between various parties, for example both AIR and Kanon TV involved the parties of Pony Canyon/Kyoani/Movic/TBS, obviously when you need to have that many minor parties involved to create an anime things tend to work differently.

Leo_Otaku

2007-03-08, 00:39

Oh wow pretty page the sakura ..i want to catch them >.<. Nagisa looks so nice! The art style is really neat looking.

velocity7

2007-03-08, 01:03

First thoughts... the line above Nagisa's picture here translates to: Did you lose someone important to you?

Based on that line alone, I'd gather...

This is lethal! Are you sure?

Last warning!
The movie will likely take place during After Story after Nagisa's death, with Tomoya trying to take care of Ushio and trying to make a miracle happen, with flashbacks to the School Life story.

Another possible take could be...
Tomoya most likely lost someone close to him (maybe TOEI will rewrite it so his father or mother dies at the beginning of the story?) and Nagisa tries to comfort him during the School Life period.

Sushi-Y

2007-03-08, 01:38

First thoughts... the line above Nagisa's picture here translates to: Did you lose someone important to you?
"Have you ever lost someone important to you?" might fit the context better, but that's just me being meh.

As for your spoiler comments, I don't see why they can't cover both the school life portion and after story portion in the movie. Although I'll agree the movie would come off much more dramatic and "movie-like" with the way you suggested.

That, and your spoiler is lethal for those who never played the game. Might want to slap on a few more layers of spoiler tags there. :heh:

As for the losing someone thing,
it applies to pretty much every character in CLANNAD if you think about it, so it's somewhat of a recurring theme of the game. For the movie though, it'll probably be focused on Nagisa (and maybe Ushio if there's time).

FireChick

2007-03-08, 05:55

"Have you ever lost someone important to you?" might fit the context better, but that's just me being meh.

Actually...I've lost someone very important to me last month.:(

nani

2007-03-08, 07:15

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7153/p1000750bygafsf1.th.jpg (http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p1000750bygafsf1.jpg)

Seems that Kyo, Tomoyo, Akio and Sanae will at least make a cameo appearance in the film. Now, where is Fuuko?!

Looks like the story will consist of three parts : school life, after graduation (After Story?) and the 幻想世界

Actually...I've lost someone very important to me last month.:(

My condolence. Hope you are feeling better now......

FireChick

2007-03-08, 07:58

I'm not. I lost my precious cat who was 19 years old who died of poisoning/kidney failure. Sorry if I went off topic. Oh and maybe there's a page that does have Fuuko but isn't shown. But is the boy with the blue hair Youhei? No, it can't be! In the game he's blonde! Besides, the blue haired boy reminds me of Len from La Corda D'Oro because of hair and uniform.

FatPianoBoy

2007-03-08, 15:19

I also find their lack of Fuuko disturbing. FPB demands ヘンな人 goodness.
Hopefully they just left her out of that particular article, or she got cut out of the scan.
[/wishful thinking]

Sushi-Y

2007-03-08, 22:34

I also find their lack of Fuuko disturbing. FPB demands ヘンな人 goodness.
Hopefully they just left her out of that particular article, or she got cut out of the scan.
[/wishful thinking]
All the Fuuko Masters in the world would riot if they left her out. Same goes for Kotomi or even subcharacters like Yukine or Mei. I'm guessing the character arts for the other characters were simply not ready when the magazine article was being written, that's all.

Skane

2007-03-08, 22:42

Sacrifices would need to be made if they want to make a coherent movie without the plot wandering all over.

:heh:

FatPianoBoy

2007-03-08, 23:14

Sacrifices would need to be made if they want to make a coherent movie without the plot wandering all over.

:heh:

But those sacrifices don't need to include Fuuko :mad:

Any chance of this movie being two hours? I just can't see anyone fitting this much stuff into 90 minutes without trimming nearly everything (and everyone) and leaving only the skeletal remains of Nagisa's arch.

velocity7

2007-03-09, 10:15

The chance of an anime movie being two hours is roughly the same as seeing another Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack.

Kaioshin Sama

2007-03-09, 12:00

The chance of an anime movie being two hours is roughly the same as seeing another Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack.

Especially from Toei who is reknowned for making 50 minute movie after 50 minute movie of their properties, roughly following the exact same plot. If I had to pick the largest fault with the company it would definitely be that and their tendency to have one fairly repetitive opening song and remix it several times for most of the BGM including a shortened vocal version for the first fight scene they have in their action series.

FatPianoBoy

2007-03-09, 18:59

Oh, I see... :sad:
I guess this movie will be viewed mostly as a glorified teaser trailer for the upcoming(?) KyoAni 52(64? :p)-episode-combo ;)

entity15498

2007-03-09, 23:34

3-9-07 (6:19PM EST)---- CLANNAD Animation / BS-i?

The official website (http://www.bs-i.co.jp/main/game/) of Japanese sat-broadcaster BS-i reportedly posted some info on a future CLANNAD animation broadcast about a day ago. The mention was pulled shortly thereafter, leaving many to speculate on what this means. The only existing CLANNAD animation currently known is the animated film which is due way out towards the end of this year. Logically, that would mean a DVD release 4 months + after a healthy theatrical run and an eventual TV broadcast sometime into 2008. A bit premature for a TV network web posting now? Could a seperate TV series also be in the works? The CLANNAD film is going to get a major announcement at the Tokyo Anime Fair occuring at the end of this month. All bets are if something is brewing it will be announced then.

-- Anime News Service

Could this mean we're getting a TV series sooner than we think?

Kaioshin Sama

2007-03-10, 00:16

Oh, I see... :sad:
I guess this movie will be viewed mostly as a glorified teaser trailer for the upcoming(?) KyoAni 52(64? :p)-episode-combo ;)

Don't count on it. 52 episodes is almost exclusive to the mecha genre. It would be a lovely change up, but a million too one shot for a harem show.

holyman282

2007-03-10, 00:28

Don't count on it. 52 episodes is almost exclusive to the mecha genre. It would be a lovely change up, but a million too one shot for a harem show.

But I think you are forgetting the all famous Da Capo! which was a harem show and went for 52 episodes!

Good to keep your hopes up, but i would be satisfied with maybe a 26 ep anime.

Skane

2007-03-10, 00:58

But I think you are forgetting the all famous Da Capo! which was a harem show and went for 52 episodes!

Good to keep your hopes up, but i would be satisfied with maybe a 26 ep anime.
Da Capo was split into 2 seasons. A straight 52-episode ero-game anime series adaptation is kinda mythical at this point.

Cheers.

FatPianoBoy

2007-03-10, 01:21

Da Capo was split into 2 seasons. A straight 52-episode ero-game anime series adaptation is kinda mythical at this point.

Ahem... last I checked, CLANNAD has no pr0n.
Also, I think splitting CLANNAD into two seasons would be a great idea. It's easier on the animation studios (which means quality stays up), and I've managed to survive so far whilst waiting for another Haruhi series, so it shouldn't be too hard on the fans, either.

Skane

2007-03-10, 01:27

Ahem... last I checked, CLANNAD has no pr0n.
Also, I think splitting CLANNAD into two seasons would be a great idea. It's easier on the animation studios (which means quality stays up), and I've managed to survive so far whilst waiting for another Haruhi series, so it shouldn't be too hard on the fans, either.
Ah jeez, fine. A bishoujo-game-based anime series then. :heh:

As for CLANNAD, I don't think two seasons is enough. Three would be a better number if we want to include everything. If I am not mistaken, there are three time-lines within it?

Cheers.

holyman282

2007-03-10, 02:13

Ah jeez, fine. A bishoujo-game-based anime series then. :heh:

As for CLANNAD, I don't think two seasons is enough. Three would be a better number if we want to include everything. If I am not mistaken, there are three time-lines within it?

Cheers.

3 time lines?! Hearing that really makes me fear the movie because, if it takes 3 seasons to tell the whole story, it puts in perspective how small in terms of story telling the movie is going to cover.... i'll still watch this movie when it comes out, but I would be totally annoyed if they just left it at that.

Sushi-Y

2007-03-10, 02:13

As for CLANNAD, I don't think two seasons is enough. Three would be a better number if we want to include everything. If I am not mistaken, there are three time-lines within it?

Cheers.
Assuming we're only talking about Nagisa's scenario here (which is the main plot of the game anyway), there's really only one continuous story timeline, but played out over a really long period of time (somewhere in the range of 10 years, beginning from when all our main characters were still in high school).

The story can be roughly split into 3 arcs though, in terms of the "life eras" that Tomoya will pass through. This is the primary concern the gamers have for the movie: even though the game did do some fast forwarding here and there, we're still talking about 10 years worth of life here. To cover that within only a 90 minute movie would be anything but easy.

Still, even though we keep stressing about CLANNAD's epic length, I actually don't think we'll need that many episodes to cover the game. Unlike Kanon or AIR, it's possible to have multiple heroines' routes running at the same time in CLANNAD, which all takes place during the "school life" era anyway. Once that is over, all that's left is a single route through the "After Story". If they plan things right, 24 episodes should be enough for a satisfactory adaptation.

Kaioshin Sama

2007-03-10, 02:20

Assuming we're only talking about Nagisa's scenario here (which is the main plot of the game anyway), there's really only one continuous story timeline, but played out over a really long period of time (somewhere in the range of 10 years, beginning from when all our main characters were still in high school).

The story can be roughly split into 3 arcs though, in terms of the "life eras" that Tomoya will pass through. This is the primary concern the gamers have for the movie: even though the game did do some fast forwarding here and there, we're still talking about 10 years worth of life here. To cover that within only a 90 minute movie would be anything but easy.

Although we keep stressing about CLANNAD's epic length, I actually don't think we'll need that many episodes to cover the game. Unlike Kanon or AIR, it's possible to have multiple heroines' routes running at the same time in CLANNAD, which all takes place during the "school life" era anyway. Once that is over, all that's left is a single route through the "After Story". If they plan things right, 24 episodes should be enough for a satisfactory adaptation.

Uh Oh, there's a character named Nagisa. Everytime I hear that name it usually brings up some horrible memory I can't fully recall, but causes me to shiver. Though I honestly can't remember why. All I get is somebody mumbling something about "NAgisa-Chan... Something" in a high pitched voice and its all a blank, but it still scares me. Maybe its a false memory.

FatPianoBoy

2007-03-10, 13:29

Ah jeez, fine. A bishoujo-game-based anime series then. :heh:

As for CLANNAD, I don't think two seasons is enough. Three would be a better number if we want to include everything. If I am not mistaken, there are three time-lines within it?

That's better :p
[/weeaboo]

I really don't think we need to include everything. Some things will have to be altered/left out for the sake of keeping a consistent timeline, and some things may be better off just being omitted (the Sunohara ending comes to mind :uhoh:).

@Kaioshin: If you've somehow played CLANNAD without realizing it, then that name giving you the shakes would be understandable :heh:

FireChick

2007-03-10, 13:49

Uh Oh, there's a character named Nagisa. Everytime I hear that name it usually brings up some horrible memory I can't fully recall, but causes me to shiver. Though I honestly can't remember why. All I get is somebody mumbling something about "NAgisa-Chan... Something" in a high pitched voice and its all a blank, but it still scares me. Maybe its a false memory.

Do you watch Pretty Cure? Cuz' in the first season there's a character named Nagisa Misumi. Maybe you're talking about her?

-Nyu-

2007-03-10, 15:20

52 episodes are too much in my opinion, 24/26 will be enough.
I'm not a fan of series with more than 26 episodes. I've only watched two series with more than 26 and these were "Full Metal Alchemist" and "Eureka Seven".

Zappster

2007-03-10, 19:21

Uh Oh, there's a character named Nagisa. Everytime I hear that name it usually brings up some horrible memory I can't fully recall, but causes me to shiver. Though I honestly can't remember why. All I get is somebody mumbling something about "NAgisa-Chan... Something" in a high pitched voice and its all a blank, but it still scares me. Maybe its a false memory.

Going way off-topic here but it could be Strawberry Panic. Sounds like a line that Tamao would come out with who is quite into Nagisa... if you catch my drift.

Sushi-Y

2007-03-10, 20:53

Not really on topic either, but the casting for the CLANNAD drama CD has been announced:
http://www.animate.tv/special/clannad.php

Nojima Kenji-san as Tomoya... Not a bad choice, really. His sexy Nanaya Shiki voice from Melty Blood would be perfect for the role. :heh:

orion

2007-03-10, 20:53

I'm hoping for 24/26 episodes. I lose interest in most titles after that number is exceeded.

Kaioshin Sama

2007-03-11, 02:46

Going way off-topic here but it could be Strawberry Panic. Sounds like a line that Tamao would come out with who is quite into Nagisa... if you catch my drift.

I think it might have actually been two equally bad Hentai's that I have purged entirely from memory other than that name. I recalled this while walking home last night actually.

paopaoyu

2007-03-11, 05:21

http://www.dengekionline.com/data/news/2007/3/10/6f8d552139215913219f507f6b9c0cbc.html

I'd like the bus -v-

nani

2007-03-11, 09:14

Kisuke06

2007-03-11, 09:41

More information can be found here:
http://www.akibablog.net/archives/2007/03/clannad_070311.html

Scroll to the bottom, there is a WMV file of the promotional video (contains spoiler). Seems that the Game OP メグメル will be used in the film.

The video is already on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ28NRBwY6c)(if someone doesn't want to download it).

Seems very good.:D

velocity7

2007-03-11, 12:11

More information can be found here:
http://www.akibablog.net/archives/2007/03/clannad_070311.html

Scroll to the bottom, there is a WMV file of the promotional video (contains spoiler). Seems that the Game OP メグメル will be used in the film.

I am really curious how are they going to incorporate Tomoyo's cooking scene into Nagisa's path.

I wouldn't say that they are spoilers, as you'd need an explanation of each scene to even call it a spoiler.

Regarding the CLANNAD... promotion... "things", that the girls are handing out in Akihabara...

They screwed up! Why not dangos?! WHY?!?!?!

なぜだあぁぁぁぁぁぁぁ――――――！！！！

FatPianoBoy

2007-03-11, 17:44

They screwed up! Why not dangos?! WHY?!?!?!

なぜだあぁぁぁぁぁぁぁ――――――！！！！

Well... dangos are edible, and after people eat them, will they still remember what they were handing them out for?

Sushi-Y

2007-03-11, 19:26

Scroll to the bottom, there is a WMV file of the promotional video (contains spoiler). Seems that the Game OP メグメル will be used in the film.
I really liked Megmel even though its pace seemed a little too fast, compared to the slow-paced game that CLANNAD was. But its melody and lyrics really delivered on that "lifelong journey" feel, so it's all good to me (as long as they keep 小さな手のひら too).

As for the promo video:
- Everyone looks great, although Nagisa and Akio-san's design felt somewhat off.
- Tomoyo's cooking scenes. The OTHER personal favorite from her route besides combo kicking Sunohara to death. ":heh:
- The final cut with Nagisa... Eh? Why are there tears in my... (´・ω・`)

They screwed up! Why not dangos?! WHY?!?!?!
You can't really print any information on them, maybe? Plastic long balloon stick-things are probably cheaper to make. :heh:

endofuniverse

2007-03-12, 07:07

If I didn't knew about original, after watching that short trailer I'd say it's another generic looking bishoujo anime.

velocity7

2007-03-12, 07:52

One thing I'd like to point out about the TOEI animation for this one... it seems too much like Kanon 2002. I mean, sure, the front page of the website has character designs that look great, but when seen in actual animation, it reminds me too much of Kanon 2002. Hmm...

Leo_Otaku

2007-03-14, 14:49

Wow that looks so beautiful ^-^ I want a uniform >.< gao....

I also want one of those damn posters are they up for auction??

Sushi-Y

2007-03-15, 02:39

The announcement movie that was seen around Akihabara recently during the publicity campaign has now been made available for viewing online,

http://www.animate.tv/pv/detail.php?id=p070315a
(Left orange button for narrowband, right one for broadband)

That's Nakahara-san's voice alright, which is good to hear since I can't imagine Nagisa with anyone else's voice. ^^ Chances are the other original casts will be back too.

Opening will be September 15, 2007, according to MOON PHASE.

-Nyu-

2007-03-15, 09:30

I like the quality! Far better than of the Air movie (my opinion though)
Stream Vid (http://www.visual-novels.net/vn/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=278&Itemid=2&mosmsg=Item+successfully+saved.).

martino

2007-03-16, 04:19

I wonder if Toei can do the same with the animation than what they did with Iryia, but corresponding to today's standards...then that'd be awesome.

Aoie_Emesai

2007-03-16, 09:57

It's too bad the official site is still in the process of creating itself.

Shiroth

2007-03-16, 10:46

I'm very happy with the preview --- thanks to it i'm able to picture the good old Toei character design in my head. The scenery also looks pretty special, Toei did wonders with the Air movie and how it looked --- and i'm happy to see that side of Toei keeps on improving.

velocity7

2007-03-22, 23:30

The cast has been announced (http://www.clannad-movie.jp/staff_cast.html), they are...

*drumroll*

岡崎朋也：野島健児
古河　渚：中原麻衣
坂上智代：桑島法子
藤林　杏：広橋　涼
春原陽平：阪口大助

Okazaki Tomoya: Nojima Kenji
Furukawa Nagisa: Nakahara Mai
Sakagami Tomoyo: Kuwashima Houko
Fujibayashi Kyou: Hirohashi Ryou
Sunohara Youhei: Sakaguchi Daisuke

Guess the drama CD actor is the lucky guy who gets to be our favorite delinquent. ;)

-Nyu-

2007-03-24, 17:02

They were already announced earlier, see (http://www.visual-novels.net/vn/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=280&Itemid=2#jc_allComments);)
Hmm, airing will probably start on September 15, 2007?
I'm so curious how they'll handle the story. The game is so long, there'd be enough stuff for 52 episodes..

velocity7

2007-04-03, 20:17

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GQRBPxQBQAc

CLANNAD TIAF Movie trailer. Very terrible quality. Anyone got anything better?

velocity7

2007-04-18, 10:49

http://www.clannad-movie.jp/story.html

See Sushi-Y's translation.

Sushi-Y

2007-04-18, 17:07

http://www.clannad-movie.jp/story.html
Where did you get the arm stuff from? :heh:

Let's try this again,

Okazaki Tomoya, a delinquent youth who is in conflict with his father, meets a girl on the way to school under the hill road where the sakura bloomed wildly.

The girl's name is Furukawa Nagisa.

Nagisa says to Tomoya,

"I just can't get myself to climb this hill"

"So may I ask you to climb this hill with me?"

If you can't climb this hill now, then you should become able to if you find something you enjoy at school, suggests Tomoya.

Inspired by those words, Nagisa began her fight to bring back the abolished acting club.

And then, Tomoya too began to work and spend his time together with her, and before long, Tomoya finds himself drawn towards the hard working Nagisa ...
Well, I figured there would be plot changes. Still, if they really changed those lines Nagisa said at the bottom of the hill, it would be pretty annoying.

Especially "Anpan!"

For some reason, I get a feeling that Dezaki-san's priorities is a little off from us Kagikkos...

velocity7

2007-04-18, 17:43

I could have sworn I saw "ude" somewhere... :(

Telliamed

2007-04-26, 16:02

Trailer and image PV on animate.tv. Crappy WMV though.

(news blurb) http://www.animate.tv/nf/detail.php?id=0000001445
(preview page) http://www.animate.tv/pv/detail.php?id=p070315a
(direct links to the ASF) http://www.animate.tv/asx/p07030031_suya_bb.asx
http://www.animate.tv/asx/p07040047_oc3n_bb.asx

All I have to say is, "Death by cherry blossom."
And enough with the lens-flare effects. It was neat the first few times, now it's just annoying.

velocity7

2007-04-27, 00:29

New だんご　だんご　だんご song, too:

http://www.animate.tv/asx/p07040050_n3ja_nb.asx

boggart

2007-04-27, 15:33

All I have to say is, "Death by cherry blossom."
And enough with the lens-flare effects. It was neat the first few times, now it's just annoying.
I'm agreeing with you on this... it seems like I will be squinting throughout the entire movie due to the excessive use of the lens flare... =_=

darkchibi07

2007-04-27, 15:50

I'm agreeing with you on this... it seems like I will be squinting throughout the entire movie due to the excessive use of the lens flare... =_=

Hey, I had to do that when I tried watching Air the movie! :heh:

Alohomora

2007-04-28, 01:48

Trailer and image PV on animate.tv. Crappy WMV though.

Here's (http://www.animasia.net/) the trailer (as well as some PV images) with much better quality. ^^

Aoie_Emesai

2007-04-28, 10:55

...didn't really explain much now did it? :p

FatPianoBoy

2007-04-28, 17:09

...didn't really explain much now did it? :p

Actually, there's an uberspoiler in there (if it is indeed the scene I think it is), but you probably won't notice or understand it unless you're already aware of what it's spoiling. So, no harm done, I guess.

velocity7

2007-04-30, 00:41

houkoholic

2007-04-30, 01:22

Upon fansubbing the CLANNAD Special Disc, I've found that the content is absolutely spoilerific and, unless you're familiar with CLANNAD, this stuff will be basically killer. Absolutely killer. :p

If you want to know how far I mean in terms of killer, refer to one of my previous... killer, spoilers. ;)

I'm actually quite a bit more interested in the movie version now after seeing the disk (which reminds me that I should go preorder my tickets). Yes, the spoilers are killer and I was going "holy s**t, they put these stuff in a preview?!" as Tomoya monologues his way along. Though I guess they expect the people who preorder the tickets to get this preview disk were most probably fans of Clannad to begin with so they're not pulling any punches.

I have some speculation on how the story will be re-written based on the preview disk:

Only read if you really want to be spoiled

Last warning.....

It actually looks quite likely that they are taking the Ushio route as main but will mix in with some Tomoyo elements to come up with an original ending. Nagisa is going to die as implied, Tomoya goes into his slump and Tomoyo is going to take a big role in helping him get back on his feet. It also makes sense that they choosed Kyou as the other heroine to throw in there as not only she is a good tsukkomi combo with Tomoya/Youhei, but she also plays a big part in the Ushio route as Ushio's kingergarden teacher who's worried about Tomoya's well being.

orion

2007-04-30, 03:19

I'm actually quite a bit more interested in the movie version now after seeing the disk (which reminds me that I should go preorder my tickets). Yes, the spoilers are killer and I was going "holy s**t, they put these stuff in a preview?!" as Tomoya monologues his way along. Though I guess they expect the people who preorder the tickets to get this preview disk were most probably fans of Clannad to begin with so they're not pulling any punches.

I have some speculation on how the story will be re-written based on the preview disk:

Only read if you really want to be spoiled

Last warning.....

It actually looks quite likely that they are taking the Ushio route as main but will mix in with some Tomoyo elements to come up with an original ending. Nagisa is going to die as implied, Tomoya goes into his slump and Tomoyo is going to take a big role in helping him get back on his feet. It also makes sense that they choosed Kyou as the other heroine to throw in there as not only she is a good tsukkomi combo with Tomoya/Youhei, but she also plays a big part in the Ushio route as Ushio's kingergarden teacher who's worried about Tomoya's well being.

But...

I haven't played the game so be nice guys. :)

That type of a story would not endear them to the people of Japan who are trying to encourage a higher birth rate if the pregnancy with Ushio had something to do with Nagisa's death imo. It wouldn't be a believable scenario either these days with prenatal care for high risk patients or health care in general for those with illnesses that may be life threatening imo.

It won't make much of a date movie or bring in repeat viewings either unless they do something in the original ending to make it a neutral open ending (Gee, I didn't understand but I'm pretty sure "X" happened so I'll watch it again to make sure.) or a happy ending imo (Wow, I'm so glad that it ended this way. I love this film now. It really wasn't like Air the Movie at all. I'll tell all my friends to go see this movie now.)

Besides, wife dies and leaves grieving husband is a scenario that prob played dozen of times in live action on Japanese TV. They would have to do something to bring mainstream into the theaters along with the fans of the title imo.

Thanks for the Special Disk. Where was it sold anyways?

DragoonKain3

2007-04-30, 12:48

orion

2007-04-30, 13:33

velocity7

2007-04-30, 13:41

orion: I won't spoil much here for you, but let's just say...
Nagisa won't be pulling an Ayu. What will be pulled though depends on how closely TOEI stays with the original content.

orion

2007-04-30, 14:05

orion: I won't spoil much here for you, but let's just say...
Nagisa won't be pulling an Ayu. What will be pulled though depends on how closely TOEI stays with the original content.

I'm assuming that they will find a commercially acceptable resolution that will not make the fans of the game unhappy just like what happened in Air the Movie. I have very little expectation that Toei will remain 100% faithful to the game because this is a 90 minute commercial venture tied to that franchise , their interpretation of the existing material imo. The 90-100% faithful rendition will prob be in the TV series. But the TV series also walks a fine line too and has to have a commercially acceptable resolution to sell the DVDs imo.

Of course, dead people dont actively yell "Tomoya-san" in the manner that she is doing, i.e every time that he reached a low point. That's why I said the Ayu remark. The game also had an Ayu-like character in it already, so it's not that much of a stretch for me to wonder about it.

velocity7

2007-04-30, 14:22

orion: Too bad I can't answer any more of your questions regarding that, without spoiling any more. ;)

Let's just say that, whatever path TOEI takes for the movie, the ending will likely be close to KyoAni's rendition. But...

Based on the way the teaser was presented, as well as the promotional material, I would say that the movie is focusing solely on the love story between Tomoya and Nagisa. Although many will scream for blood on that note, you have to consider that Dezaki only has about 80~90 minutes to tell a story that is definitely worth 52 episodes, and as such, take it with a grain of salt.

And even though the teaser is very spoilerific, the part where Tomoya says "walking forwards is like walking backwards" is no metaphor, I'll say that much...

houkoholic

2007-04-30, 15:32

I was going to type up the answers, but then I agree with velocity7, anymore spoilers would just be too much, and just describing the story is also not going to help, as Key's work is always about atmosphere and execution anyway.

orion

2007-04-30, 18:17

But I really wasn't asking for spoilers and I really don't want any. It's all speculation at this point. Dezaki can choose to do whatever he wants within reason with the material presented to him for use. It's his interpretation of the source material after all and a commercially viable story/ending will be done imo. It's practical business sense. :)

IRJustman

2007-04-30, 18:30

Blar! I saw the 'teaser' from TWH/Sprocket, and oh man, I feel like I have ruined the entire movie/series for me. Sure nothing was said blatantly, but connecting the dots have ruined I think one the most important scenes in the game.

So for anyone uninitiated on CLANNAD, avoid the movie teaser like the plague!

To keep something like this from happening again, I placed a disclaimer note on Scarywater page at the head of all the movie promo snipes to indicate that if you download and watch those files, you do so with the clear understanding that you may end up getting spoiled.

I sincerely apologize if this potentially ruined any possible experience you may have with the show.

--IJ.

orion

2007-04-30, 18:35

You haven't ruined anything. Thank you for your hard work. The Chinese subs came out beforehand with no one getting upset over spoilers. Loads of people in Japan bought this and no one complained loud enough to get media attention. In fact, from what I could tell, it sold out.

Similar situation happened in Air Prelude and we survived. By the time you saw those Air TV CMs and Prelude you pretty much had an ideal who Misuzu was. No worries about spoilers from those things being translated. In fact, this special disk had similar style of animation for the teaser. B & W grainy filters with lens flares and interspersed text.

Take a look at my Kanon avatar. It's taken from Kanon Prelude. Yep. It had spoilers in it too. No screams from that one either.

Pat yourself on the back for a job well done. :D

houkoholic

2007-04-30, 19:29

But I really wasn't asking for spoilers and I really don't want any.

The thing is it is impossible to address your concerns and questions about the direction of the story without spoilers, it's just the nature of the beast here.

orion

2007-04-30, 20:27

I'm not worried though and thanks for caring. I'll find out when the movie gets released. It's all fun speculation as far as I'm concerned. No one has a copy of the script so game related or manga related spoilers may or may not be relevant to the movie. :)

Images used in the teaser can mean almost anything that the director wants the audience to think to draw you in and then he can totally give you a 180 degree turn in the theater. He probably has to give a fresh interpretation imo since Clannad in theory should have had a wider penetration since it wasn't an eroge title. There is no real incentive to go to the theater if the outcome is assured and a TV series is broadcasting in the same year imo.

My Kanon avi is a good example of this. That scene was not in the TV series at all except the OP.

Mental exercises are good for the soul imo. :)

DragoonKain3

2007-05-01, 02:12

Better safe than sorry, IMO. There's people (like me) who wishes that they can unwatch the teaser, and as such am glad TWH/Sprocket is addressing the issue (though IMO a second version is in order, even if all whats changed was the title to indicate there's spoilers, because theres a lot of people dls the torrent directly and never see the scarywater page, ex. tokyotosho).

As for the no outcry in Japan, you just said the root of it all. The disk was sold out; in other words, its really popular. Otakus being otakus, what percentage of the people who bought the disk do you think have played the game before? Chances are, its close to 100%. As such, them seeing the teaser spoils nothing at all!

As for the analogy to Kanon/Air...
it's a far cry from those. Taking Kanon for example, in the commercial, sure they did show the tree cut and Yuuichi shouting (or for all the uninitiated knows, he just looks like someone gasping for air). But how would someone with no knowledge of the game/previous series know that Yuuichi was looking for a girl, let alone know that the girl is Ayu, and going further, know that she's in a coma with her projected self running around town? It's a VERY BIG stretch to get from point A to point B, and as such, doesn't really count as a spoiler.

But the clannad teaser? I intentionally lied that one has to connect the dots to get spoilered; you don't even have to get from point A to point B, as point A is ALREADY a spoiler. Right off the bat we're told that it's Tomoya and Nagisa we're talking about (how many times did Tomoya and Nagisa's name mentioned?) , and that she 'disappears forever' in the end. Everything there points to her dying.

And even in the best case scenario that Nagisa is all well and kicking in the end of the movie OR that its really some other girl who died/disappeared, the fact is is that people who have seen the teaser already knows that there IS going to be a disapperance/dying scene, and a major one at that. Knowing that there is a scene like that alone would take away from the emotional impact, as the shock factor is gone.

As such, because even in the best case scenario one has the major potential loses enjoyment of the show because of knowing things from it beforehand, the teaser can only be classified as a Class A spoilerific item. In particular, it's the very script of the teaser thats spoilerfic; the images show diddly squat whether you understood what was saying or not.

As for your avvy, its not in the prelude (I just watched it). Heck, even if it was, showing it would probably have it flow over people's head, because some people would be misdirected that she's an angel sent by heaven (when she really is just a girl in a coma), while most would just think its some silly decoration thats not worth mentioning at all. It wouldn't spoil a scene at all.

And for the record, I'm not mad at all with Clannad being spoiled some for me, as I'm not the kind of person who cries over spilled milk. It's just I'm just a tad bit miffed when people try to underscore the spoiler factor of some things, because this might convince people that its actually alright to see it thinking they're safe. I still stand by what I said before... Avoid the teaser like the plague if one doesn't want to get spoiled!

Skyfall

2007-05-01, 05:50

Ok, i watched the teaser (ignoring all warnings :p ), and i have to say - if that is not first class spoiler material, i don't know what is 0_o. You don't need to connect any dots in there if you want to get spoiled... you would have to be blind in the first place not to get spoiled by this :heh:

Since i dived in knowing that it is a spoiler, i am not going to cry about it, i will just quote DragoonKain3:

Avoid the teaser like the plague if one doesn't want to get spoiled!

blitz1/2

2007-05-01, 07:02

No Mamiko Noto? DAMN!!!!

orion

2007-05-01, 12:23

@Dragoonkain3: Rewatch your Kanon Prelude then. The avi is taken directly from the TV OP which is on that disk which also neatly references the game OP. Yeah, I wish I could have bought that Clannad disk too. It came in 3 different designs. I wanted the Nagisa version. :upset:

I don't think that this is worth crying over period. There are more important things to worry about than possible spoilers on a teaser disk which by definition will contain spoilers to satisfy the fans and give mainstream a hint as to what's it about. The outcome of the story wasn't told. So, an even bigger atomic bomb probably awaits the movie goers then imo. Kind of makes this very interesting imo. :)

FatPianoBoy

2007-05-01, 13:32

I'm thinking that one option for people who want to see the trailer but not get spoiled (and don't know Japanese) could be to watch the raw.

orion

2007-05-01, 13:39

I think that it is impossible not to be spoiled about this title. ;) Air is licensed for R1. People want Kanon now more than ever. This title is prob going to be advertised out the wazoo too. I'd be totally shocked if Newtype USA does not run loads of features about this one.

But your suggestion is the best one, FPB. :)

Skyfall

2007-05-01, 14:03

I'm thinking that one option for people who want to see the trailer but not get spoiled (and don't know Japanese) could be to watch the raw.

I would suggest avoiding even that :heh: Seriously, the images speak very loudly for themselves, even if you don't understand what is being said, imo.

DragoonKain3

2007-05-01, 14:14

@orion
Be more specific next time. Just saying 'Kanon prelude' would mean to most animesuki people that it's the prelude itself (you know, the 3 min. one), rather than the disk.

But that's neither here or there. Fact of the matter is, Clannad teaser contains huge spoilers that it can't be compared to any of the preludes. This is because the spoilers are in the script itself (which when watching subs, is the item that the audience is primarily focused on) rather than just plainly shown of which can mean a million different things, or just skipped over by the viewer.

And finally, the purpose of me posting, as I have said before, is not to whine about being spoiled. (I find it's fruitless to complain about it, because no amount of ranting would undo what's already been done) It's solely to inform people of the situation; that 'teaser' is really an understatement when describing the video, and that the source of the teaser is geared towards those who have already played the game. Yeah sure, there might be a bigger twist/bomb down the road, but that's not the point; there's a lot of people who'd rather see the movie/series totally clueless as to what would happen to any and all of the scenes.

To a lot of people, the journey itself is much more meaningful than the outcome.

@FPB
I totally agree. The images show absolutely diddly squat, well at least to someone who hasn't played the game before.

FatPianoBoy

2007-05-01, 14:15

I would suggest avoiding even that :heh: Seriously, the images speak very loudly for themselves, even if you don't understand what is being said, imo.

It only seemed spoilerish to me because I knew what was happening with certain scenes and I readily understood about half of what was said. If you don't know what's going on and you don't understand anything that's said, you may be okay.

Disclaimer: Don't hunt me down if you take my suggestion and still get spoiled. 'Your mileage may vary' and all that.

Skyfall

2007-05-01, 14:18

@FPB
I totally agree. The images show absolutely diddly squat, well at least to someone who hasn't played the game before.

Never played the game (and wouldn't be able to even if i wanted to :heh: ), and i consider the images quite spoilerish. (Heck, the tone of voice can give things away as well, even if you don't understand what is being said).

velocity7

2007-05-01, 16:24

orion

2007-05-01, 21:57

I don't think that it's worth the trouble either.

The tokyotosho dl'ers had 3 different Clannad special disk group torrents to choose from (1 raw, 1 Chinese and 1 English). The English version being the most recent torrent. I'm actually a tokyotosho downloader by the way. That's why I find this current thread complaining of spoilers interesting. If it was really that big of a deal, more people would complain.

No offense, but sometimes I think that people react too much to possible spoilers. :)

Of course, I could give examples of major spoilers from Spring titles that you know within 3 minutes of watching the first episode. ;) I bet it's a new trend :heh:

Leo_Otaku

2007-05-01, 23:32

The way Nagisa and Tomoya meet looks different even with the added scarf.

Willy@m

2007-05-29, 15:35

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/148/largeanimepaperscansclasu1.th.jpg (http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=largeanimepaperscansclasu1.jpg)

FireChick

2007-05-29, 16:04

Hmmm...doesn't Tomoya look alot like Len from La Corda D'Oro?

Willy@m

2007-06-08, 12:15

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/1208/largeanimepaperscansclafd3.th.jpg (http://img503.imageshack.us/my.php?image=largeanimepaperscansclafd3.jpg)

Willy@m

2007-06-29, 07:58

New look for CLANNAD Movie site :p

http://www.clannad-movie.jp/

velocity7

2007-07-02, 16:32

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/2116/clannad02de9.th.jpg (http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clannad02de9.jpg)

velocity7

2007-07-05, 08:48

New pictures have shown up at the CLANNAD Movie site, featuring sketches and the like.

velocity7

2007-07-07, 21:08

Also up at CLANNAD Movie site:

http://www.animate.tv/asx/p07060042_0wo3_nb.asx

A remix of Mag Mell called the frequency-e version, sung by eufonius rather than riya. My bet's this will be used rather than the original mix.

Leo_Otaku

2007-07-07, 23:59

From the looks of it Kotomi and Fuko will be excluded from the movie. I wonder if they will make some kind of cameo apperance...

FatPianoBoy

2007-07-08, 00:56

Fuko will be excluded from the movie.

They wouldn't dare.

I'll get my torch and pitchfork, though - just in case.

Skyfall

2007-07-08, 06:07

They wouldn't dare.

I'll get my torch and pitchfork, though - just in case.

I don't know ... i know almost nothing about Clannad, but they did remove everyone except Yukito / Misuzu from Air Movie, and i must say it worked very well if compared to the rather poor structure and handling of non-main characters of Air TV. I Don't have anything against Clannad movie doing the same - focusing on the main characters.

FatPianoBoy

2007-07-08, 13:27

they did remove everyone except Yukito / Misuzu from Air Movie, and i must say it worked very well if compared to the rather poor structure and handling of non-main characters of Air TV. I Don't have anything against Clannad movie doing the same - focusing on the main characters.

There is truth in your words. However, the awkward pot-arc handling of the side characters in AIR TV was preferable to omitting them altogether. I really didn't like the AIR movie...

velocity7

2007-07-19, 22:03

More material at the SPECIAL tab: Two more sketches and images added.

aONErox

2007-07-22, 05:13

does it matter which i watch first the TV series or the movie? if so which one should i watch if it matters?

Deathkillz

2007-07-22, 15:06

we cant really answer that question seen as neither is out :heh; but i would guess that the movie would contain spoilers relating to the full series as they are using the same plot ~ i think

Willy@m

2007-07-25, 05:34

Tomoyo, Nagisa & Kyou

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4831/largeanimepaperscansclatl3.th.jpg (http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=largeanimepaperscansclatl3.jpg)

Tomoyo eating an ice cream xD

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/1356/largeanimepaperscansclark9.th.jpg (http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=largeanimepaperscansclark9.jpg)

Leo_Otaku

2007-07-25, 23:08

does it matter which i watch first the TV series or the movie? if so which one should i watch if it matters?

The movie would probably spoil Nagisa's story for the anime series. From the looks of it Fuko and Kotomi are excluded so nothing there. Tomoyo and Kyou seem to be more like side cast if anything to expand on Nagisa's school life I expect. Though no doubt many things will be altered like in AIR. It depends then...

Colonel-

2007-07-31, 23:27

This is a bit off topic, but could anyone send me a spoiler of what happens in 星の人? I've been really anxious to know what happens in the epilogue of Planetarian!

Ichigo91

2007-08-01, 06:28

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3536/thumbnailuc3.jpg (http://anime-chronicles.com/index.php?q=/post/view/1765)

EDIT: srry I posted this in the wrong forum

boggart

2007-08-01, 07:22

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3536/thumbnailuc3.jpg (http://anime-chronicles.com/index.php?q=/post/view/1765)

Wrong thread mate... this pic is from the TV anime (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=44299), not the movie. Nice find however.

velocity7

2007-08-01, 09:27

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8580/5blarge5d5banimepaper5dwz7.th.jpg (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=5blarge5d5banimepaper5dwz7.jpg)

Leo_Otaku

2007-08-02, 16:22

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8580/5blarge5d5banimepaper5dwz7.th.jpg (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=5blarge5d5banimepaper5dwz7.jpg)

Really nice picture!! One thing though Nagisa's bust size is like two cm difference than Kyou's why the heck did they make her so much smaller 0_o?

UPR

2007-08-02, 20:19

new here so i don't know but what is it with 2 forum one for the tv and here for the movie??

boggart

2007-08-02, 22:20

new here so i don't know but what is it with 2 forum one for the tv and here for the movie??

There are two different production companies doing the two different adaptations of Clannad. Toei will be handling the movie adaptation (this thread) whereas Kyoto Animation will be doing the TV series (-thread- (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=44299)). As you can probably see already the art style will be completely different from each other, as is expected from the two different companies. However, they will still be based on the same game; or at least certain aspects and paths of it.

You should have a read through a few pages of the two threads to get an idea of the whole thing. In the end, they're two different projects so that's why there are two threads.

UPR

2007-08-02, 22:58

ahh cool thanks from what i read looks like a good series and movie to follow. Im real sucker for a good romance story.

velocity7

2007-08-10, 00:08

New stuff:

Insert song to be put into the CLANNAD Movie, sung by Lia: "Promise"
http://www.animate.tv/asx/p07080004_vnlh_nb.asx (46s)

A lot of other stuff including Lia's song is coming around (http://www.clannad-movie.jp/event01.html):

http://www.clannad-movie.jp/images/special/cmk72_C.jpg

Notice how Hinoue Itaru's design of Nagisa has changed drastically compared to three years ago. You'll see this matching more of the Little Busters! style that went along with Na-Ga.

Leo_Otaku

2007-08-14, 00:42

New's Network posted that there are scenes of the movie up:

http://www.toei-anim.co.jp/movie/2007_clannad/movie/scene01.html

http://www.toei-anim.co.jp/movie/2007_clannad/movie/scene09.html

oooh Lia ^-^ YAY The song sounds really ood actually, i highly perfer it than the dreams came true from AIR just because Japanese sounds better than english. Plus it is Lia ^-^ Key should use her for their OP's more >.>

Skyfall

2007-08-14, 09:17

Leo_Otaku

2007-08-14, 12:41

Looking pretty good so far :) Tomoya's voice i like, but Nagisa sounds almost too sugary cute ... though i am sure she will grow on me fast - i like most of the other characters Nakahara Mai has voiced. Can't wait for this one to air *rubs hands*

I liked it vice versa I didn't like Tomoya's voice that much. I like Nagisa better, except I can't get over how cheerful they are making her.

boggart

2007-08-15, 06:56

I still don't like the lens flare effect. This is gonna nag at me everytime I see it in this movie now. :(

velocity7

2007-08-17, 00:08

Main page updated:
http://www.clannad-movie.jp

Also two new movies:
http://www.toei-anim.co.jp/movie/2007_clannad/movie.html#scene_movie

FireChick

2007-08-17, 09:43

I saw the first scene on the website. Nagisa's voice is cute! Not like Karin's (Kamichama Karin) voice but it's nice. Doesn't anyone think that Tomoya looks like Len from La Corda D'Oro but with darker hair? I do. It's a shame that Taniyama Kishou isn't doing his voice. That'd be cool. But Nojima Kenji is good too!

velocity7

2007-08-18, 17:11

loT7NJaJB_A

velocity7

2007-08-30, 12:48

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5503/5blarge5d5banimepaper5dxb0.th.jpg (http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=5blarge5d5banimepaper5dxb0.jpg)

Skyfall

2007-08-30, 13:04

K3cT

2007-08-30, 14:22

Strange, the character arts in the main movie site look OK but they seem different compared to the one velocity7 posted.

nani

2007-09-11, 12:48

Someone had attended the pre-screen of the movie and here is the summary (http://momo26.blog.shinobi.jp/Entry/149/). (There is no photograph of the event, so I am not too sure whether this is reliable or not.)

My initial comment is ...... has the Afterstory been shafted?! :eyespin:

houkoholic

2007-09-11, 14:23

Sounds pretty much as I've guested how they would animate it, as the promo disk was a pretty big give away to what they were going for. I personally don't mind that they went for this particular route, as I think this route is way more meaningful than the True End anyway.

Anyway I'll probably go see it sometime next week.

velocity7

2007-09-13, 19:29

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm1044850

Beware, insane spoilers about. :o

ayukanon45

2007-09-15, 10:00

its out today!!!!!!

boggart

2007-09-15, 18:35

It was actually out yesterday (15th September)... but yeah... :D

HashiriyaR32

2007-09-15, 19:25

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3536/thumbnailuc3.jpg (http://anime-chronicles.com/index.php?q=/post/view/1765)

EDIT: srry I posted this in the wrong forum

HAHA!! Whose that guy that's about to eat drywall?

boggart

2007-09-15, 20:02

HAHA!! Whose that guy that's about to eat drywall?
That would be Sunohara Youhei - a source of much laughter.

K3cT

2007-09-16, 02:43

Summary is badly needed in English.

houkoholic

2007-09-20, 09:52

Watched the movie today. In the same way that the Air movie made me feel when I watched it a couple of years ago, the Clannad movie left me in a similiar emotion and again I'll have to reuse the same sentence which I did with the Air movie to sum up Toei's take on another Key work - it was a fairly decent movie, just not a good Clannad movie. And quite disappointingly, I felt for the Clannad movie they didn't even do as good of a job as they did with Air.

I'm not going to go into the characters because similiar to Air, we should all know that to tell the story of Clannad in a movie faithfully is just not going to work, so it's self-defeating and meaningless to make any sort of comparison on them. Though I would make the statement that I do feel that they wanted to appeal to the fans by including certain popular characters like Kyou and Tomoyo, but really they contributed nothing to the story at all and it was truely meaningless to have them in the story in the first place. And in the end they were there just to for the sake of being there so they can sell some merchandise.

Things which they did well was keeping the family theme of Clannad intact and chosed to base the story, albit quite losely especially towards the end, of the Ushio route from the After Story, however the execution of it felt very awkward, and I'm certain that Dezaki Osamu's retro style as well as the animation are huge contributing factors to this. The reason for this is that the family theme of Clannad is very standard stuff that's done many times - the importance of family, sacraficing oneself for the sake of the family/children. However the style of which they took, especially in certain retooled scenes such as Tomoya and his father's final confrontation, was unsubtle and exaggerated such that it felt too preachy - combine this together with the theme of the show it came off as corny rather than touching.

In closing, I'm not sure I can even recommend this movie for fans of Clannad, even though I would and did recommend Air fans to at least look at Air movie. As for people whom do not know the story of Clannad but are interested (which I'm fairly certain are a lot of you), I highly recommend against watching this before the Kyoani version, as again similiar to the Air movie, or even Kanon for that matter, it would most likely set you up for the wrong expectations.

boggart

2007-09-20, 10:08

How were the lens-flares? Haha... were they as annoying in the movie as they were portrayed in the trailers?

houkoholic

2007-09-20, 10:28

How were the lens-flares? Haha... were they as annoying in the movie as they were portrayed in the trailers?

No lens-flares that I noticed. They didn't try to do anything so it was just a very standard looking movie feature - except with a very date animation style so that it looks like it's something from the 80s.....

Skyfall

2007-09-20, 10:34

Hm, sounds like you are rather disappointed. Any comments on the animation ? From the trailers it seemed like a merely improved version of Kanon 2002, which i don't exactly like. (Chins of doom, anyone?). Lens flare all over the place i assume :)

That said, i will, probably, check the movie once i get the chance. I enjoyed Air movie more than i did the series, and although i am not expecting that to be the case for Clannad, i am hoping for at least a decent watch :)

houkoholic

2007-09-20, 10:45

Nothing to write home about for the animation really, if you've seen the Air movie then it's the same level quality wise (minus the over-exposure thing, thankfully they didn't try to pull another smart trick). It gets the job done and that's about it.

Like I said, the Air movie was a good movie in its own right, I just don't think it's a good Air movie as they overplayed the romance and downplayed the mother/daugther relationship which was the main theme of the game, but it wasn't necessarily a bad decision given the constrain they had to work with and it worked out as a piece of entertainment, more or less. The Clannad movie is similiar, however just not as good as what they did with Air movie, although they did keep the whole family theme quite intact which I do give them credit for.

Liingo

2007-09-20, 10:50

Thanks for the first impression. I'll be watching it once it's available though since I'm quite interested in Clannad (newbie).

It should be decent enough to hype me up for the Tv release. I hope to get a feel for the characters as well, making it easier once the anime is released to catch onto names and such.

It doesn't sound like the animation is too bad.. Although like Skyfall said.. hopefully no 'Chins of doom' :)

Ice Climbers

2007-09-20, 10:51

In all honesty, i find the artwork ... well ... ugly. The character design looks like a modified kanon 2002 (which is not exactly known for good artwork) and the colors look dull. I like how Toei did the artwork in Air Movie, but i am rather put of by this. I just hope it looks better on screen :S

tbh, i have to agree with you SF, didnt really dig the art style of Kanon '02 either

Well, dont know what the Clannad storyline is so i'll wait and see (anticipating the TV version more tho :heh:)

relentlessflame

2007-09-20, 11:25

Thanks for the first impression. I'll be watching it once it's available though since I'm quite interested in Clannad (newbie).

It should be decent enough to hype me up for the Tv release. I hope to get a feel for the characters as well, making it easier once the anime is released to catch onto names and such.Well, (unless you're in Japan, of course) you probably won't see it until well into the TV series run, since it's only playing in theatres at the moment. The DVDs probably won't be released until early 2008 or so.

boggart

2007-09-20, 18:23

Agreed with the above statements. From houkoholic's impressions and recommendations, it's probably not a good idea to watch the movie first anyway. Just wait for the anime. It's coming out in a couple weeks anyway.

Tiberium Wolf

2007-09-21, 15:47

Isn't it better to watch the movie 1st? I mean it's better we have a (supposed) disappointment and enjoy the good thing afterwards.

houkoholic

2007-09-21, 23:16

Isn't it better to watch the movie 1st? I mean it's better we have a (supposed) disappointment and enjoy the good thing afterwards.

Unless you've already played the game and know the story of Clannad like the back of your hand - then I would say no.

There are certain spoilers in the movie that may affect you enjoyment of the TV series. And like I said, it will set you up for the wrong expectation for the TV series.

Willy@m

2007-09-26, 04:40

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5623/largeanimepaperscansclamj0.th.jpg (http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=largeanimepaperscansclamj0.jpg)

Nyao

2007-10-03, 14:39

Eh I'm not really too excited about the movies the drawings don't look great and I don't want to see the whole anime series smashed in a hour and 30 mins.. (guessing time)

iamandragon

2007-10-03, 17:00

Eh I'm not really too excited about the movies the drawings don't look great and I don't want to see the whole anime series smashed in a hour and 30 mins.. (guessing time)

I really don't recommend anyone to watch the movie--I havn't seen the movie before, but I've read the summary---Toei completely twisted the game plot which took away all the meaning of the events. They think Clannad is just a regular harem game that by putting all the female characters in a cute way the viewers will like it--NOT! Not to mention their art is not top notch at all...

~ Lawliet ~

2007-10-06, 12:48

I'm always interested in how it is the story is interpreted another way. Although I struggle in finding a torrent with it.

relentlessflame

2007-10-06, 12:51

I'm always interested in how it is the story is interpreted another way. Although I struggle in finding a torrent with it.Well, this is because it's still in theatres, and hasn't come out on DVD or aired on TV yet. All in due time.

Ronin Aquila

2007-10-10, 10:31

Having had no prior experience of Clannad, but a healthy experience with previous KEY animes, I sat down in Theatre 1 of Sunshine Cinemas in Ikebukuro, Tokyo and smiled as the lights dimmed for Clannad the Movie.

As one who is new to the franchise, I can say with no pretence or exaggeration that the movie BLEW ME AWAY.

Man, what an awesome story. Although this is not quite as touching as AIR or warm as KANON, this is easily KEY`s most mature and down to earth story to date. And although it unfortunately lacks the suernaturalism of the previous 2 KEY franchises, it therefore allows a closer and more realistic focus on characters we might actually meet and be. An example would be Tomoya`s hyper-ADD-on-Acid friend, who you would more likely meet than a beatiful European-Sword weilding exorcist-sempai.

Having actually come from a family that distances from each other due to physical and emotional violence, I found the portrayal of Tomoya`s situation to be soberingly and uncomfortably realistic, which made his eventual spiritual redemption all the more genuine and touching.

I for one am eagerly looking forward to the TV series. Though I hope it will not be cruel as the movie by murdering Nagisa-Chan in childbirth; but though I may sound cruel or sick for saying this, her smile when she died was so CUTE!!

iamandragon

2007-10-10, 10:46

relentlessflame

2007-10-10, 12:48

You'll be surprised how horrible the movie is when you play the game. Clannad the movie complete revolted the plot of CLANNAD and took away the central meaning of it.Or, he could end up liking them both for different reasons. It's sort of presumptuous and unfair to call something globally horrible just because it isn't what you wanted it to be or isn't true to the game. That doesn't automatically make it a bad movie to everyone. If he liked the movie, let him like it in peace. I, for one, am looking forward to seeing it even if it is a different take.

iamandragon

2007-10-10, 17:35

Indeed. My words were too frank. I apologize on my inappropriate attitude and speech.
But again, playing the game AND watching the movie might just change your opinion. At least, I have yet to meet any experienced players of CLANNAD who liked the movie...

Dyslogistic

2007-10-14, 04:22

What's the movie like?, anyone have a link to a review I could possibly read.

~ Lawliet ~

2007-10-16, 19:00

I'll be waiting for the movie to be released outside of theaters, then. The anime most definitely is not disappointing.

Master Anime

2007-10-26, 14:23

I am curious what happened to tomoya after nagisa died
will he married another woman like tomoya

someone spoil me please

2H-Dragon

2007-10-26, 14:36

So did that also happen in the game?

Nagisa dying

iamandragon

2007-10-26, 18:15

So did that also happen in the game?

Nagisa dying

Depends on your course of action.

Master Anime

2007-10-28, 21:54

Does anyone know. when CLANNAD DVD Movie Release ?

relentlessflame

2007-10-28, 22:40

Does anyone know. when CLANNAD DVD Movie Release ?At this point, it's still doing its rounds in theatres, so it's probably a bit too early. I'd probably guess that you'll see something on DVD early next year.

luckyfoshizzle

2007-12-08, 01:06

I read on a site (don't quite remember if it's credible or not) that the movie will be released mid-March. For someone, like myself, who hasn't played the game, but is thoroughly enjoying the anime I am strongly anticpating seeing this movie, although the animation doesn't look to good (normally for me I won't watch ANYTHING without over the top animation, but the storyline is so great I will put that aside). Urgh! This is why I should never watch anything that isn't already released.

relentlessflame

2007-12-08, 01:39

I read on a site (don't quite remember if it's credible or not) that the movie will be released mid-March.Yup, that's just about right. The DVD (and Blu-Ray disc in the Collector's Edition) will be released on March 7th (http://www.clannad-movie.jp/DVD_info.html).

velocity7

2008-01-07, 01:12

Beating a dead thread here, but:
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20071211/clannad.htm

CLANNAD Movie Blu-ray version has been axed.

boggart

2008-01-12, 01:37

Beating a dead thread here, but:
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20071211/clannad.htm

CLANNAD Movie Blu-ray version has been axed.
What the hell? That's just sad... I wouldn't have minded watching the CLANNAD movie in hi-def, even if it probably won't be as awesome as the anime. But yeah... replacing it with a Vocal CD and a phonecard? Doesn't that sound a bit... I dunno... cheap? LOL

relentlessflame

2008-02-16, 10:21

Where I can download Clannad the Movie pls?I can't find it T___T g-gao...Nowhere, because so far it's only aired in theatres. The DVDs will arrive in a few weeks, and at that point you may start seeing fansubs.

germanturkey

2008-02-16, 13:46

whats the plot of the movie? more filler? or is it something like after story?

velocity7

2008-02-16, 14:02

Not filler. The focus appears to be After Story.

germanturkey

2008-02-16, 16:20

Not filler. The focus appears to be After Story.

thats unfortunate, because that means the rest of the TV series won't be that then...

Espiecakes

2008-02-16, 19:53

thats unfortunate, because that means the rest of the TV series won't be that then...There is no connection between them; they are done by different studios.

Mariner231

2008-02-29, 20:34

that explains why I cant find it no matter how hard i search

ReizoSan

2008-03-01, 05:48

thats unfortunate, because that means the rest of the TV series won't be that then...

Why would you want Clannad to be ruined by that ending it sucks, i know its a typical "key" like they did in Air having stupid illnesses and stuff it just gets boring if its always the same at least up to now Clannad is nothing like it that why its better than the previous animes by key, it would of been really sad if that happens in the anime as in the After Story she gives birth to a kid and Nagisa dies :(.

Ketro

2008-03-01, 14:17

Nowhere, because so far it's only aired in theatres. The DVDs will arrive in a few weeks, and at that point you may start seeing fansubs.

When will the DVD's come out?

tripperazn

2008-03-01, 15:11

When will the DVD's come out?

March 7th, just 9 posts above yours...

Ketro

2008-03-01, 15:14

Hmm, I guess I missed that ppost when scrolling down, thanks.

tripperazn

2008-03-04, 04:12

Will you watch the Spoilers, PLEASE!

Lukix

2008-03-05, 05:40

Why would you want Clannad to be ruined by that ending it sucks, i know its a typical "key" like they did in Air having stupid illnesses and stuff it just gets boring if its always the same at least up to now Clannad is nothing like it that why its better than the previous animes by key, it would of been really sad if that happens in the anime as in the After Story she gives birth to a kid and Nagisa dies :(.

With who nagisa had children? Okazaki??
!!

tripperazn

2008-03-05, 05:59

With who nagisa had children? Okazaki??
!!

Yes.

tencharacterslol

Nexis

2008-03-05, 06:10

Anyone have a clue who will be picking up the fansub's of the DVD when it is released?

Lukix

2008-03-05, 07:07

Yes.

tencharacterslol

Rotfl, I feel happy =D
Thank Ya.

In movie is scene whey they doing "it", or how they "made" child??

Sorry about my english, I said, I'm from Poland : )

tripperazn

2008-03-05, 07:11

CLANNAD is not an eroge, so no.

Anyone have a clue who will be picking up the fansub's of the DVD when it is released?

Rest assured that it WILL be subbed. Does it really matter who?

ZhangKhaiEn

2008-03-05, 07:30

True. And while there are the.. um.. "strange" subbers there who sometimes invent things, I haven't heard of any of CLANNAD's subbers having this tarnished repuation.

Me? I'll stick to Sumisora, thank you. >_>

Proto

2008-03-05, 08:40

Does it really matter who?

Sometimes it does, when you have certain translation preferences, when you prefer series translated by people who have knowledge of the original material, or when you like certain groups encodings. Each group has its advantadges :p

tripperazn

2008-03-05, 12:49

Sometimes it does, when you have certain translation preferences, when you prefer series translated by people who have knowledge of the original material, or when you like certain groups encodings. Each group has its advantadges :p

Well, the average leecher won't really care too much about this. Most don't know the difference between encoding formats and don't know enough Japanese to judge translation.

Anyway, I'm almost positive there is going to be more than one group subbing this, those who can make that distinction, will.

Komori

2008-03-07, 11:03

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/1578/wtffz2.png
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9797/tvwszh5.png

Lols.

Flame-X

2008-03-07, 16:04

half the movie made me LOL
the character designs are tolerable enough to watch.

boggart

2008-03-07, 18:45

I like Nagisa's chin in the movie version :D

Klashikari

2008-03-07, 20:12

Okay... I might need some time to "vent" out what i saw but huh...

To be quite honest, I wanted to drop the movie right after the first 5 minutes. After 30 minutes, I wonder if the scripters just paied Key to borrow their characters without much to do alongside.
So far, the scripters mangled atrociously all the characters so much that they only have "vague" ressemblance with their appearance (quite an atrocious design, especially for a 2007 production, imo) and their name. Aside of it, nothing. The sole exception might be youhei, but aside of that, I can't "recognize" these vibrant characters from the game or so. (one dimensional "kind" nagisa, without any flaw to create the development, Taikwondo Kouko, Vindicative Tomoyo and her supporter Kyou, etc).

I didn't expect much (especially that chemistry/development are hardly possible with such time constraint), but they seriously waste an incredible amount of budget and time in irrevelant and useless scenes/details (the supposed "funny" violent parts and exagerated sequences were lame).

My first impressions are extremely bad to the point i can't even laugh at it... Will edit/post up more after finishing/rewatching that, but it is reaching the "zero exceptation" so far with no praise (oh, maybe the lense flare effects).

boggart

2008-03-07, 20:33

DAMN THAT LENS FLARE! LOL... I still stand by my initial thoughts and will probably have to squint or wear sunglasses for the entirety of the movie...

todkapuz

2008-03-07, 20:34

Klashikari

2008-03-07, 21:40

I think I've grown attached to to KyoAni style of the Key Chara.... I was... almost shocked when I started watching the movie... I actually did stop... and just skimmd through it.. I dont know.
Well, I was like that as well when i saw the magazine scans of it before, but it can't be helped. (it isn't the worst, but sure the designer of the movie didn't have much talent in such things, same goes for the colors). *sigh* why didn't they do like Air Movie?

I'll try again later. I guess part of me wonders how you could put a 300+ hour game in 2 hours.... :)They simply didn't (well they "did" kinda)

After watching this movie, I can hereby grant it:
5.5/10 on a "neutral" point of view, and a whooping 3/10 as a clannad fan.

Seriously, I didn't start much with expectations for the movie, along with aknowledged circumstance (cramping over 80 hours worthing of events in ony 2 mere hours isn't exactly a field trip).
However, even with that mindset, the movie managed to disappoint me.

First, on a technical aspect, the movie is sure... pretty much poor. The animation is simply very whacky at moments. The design itself is subjective, while it stays constant. The BG meanwhile, are nice enough, though, as mentioned already, they are utterly cluttered by LENS FLARE!!! effects and sakura petals (they literally flood the screen at the start).
Visually, the movie isn't impressive at all. if i put my personal preferences of the design aside, I would still think that Clannad anime has a much better demonstration of quality in both animation and visual points, which is quite ironic considering the higher budget and focus for the movie

This could be enough, but the visual were hardly flattered with that insane execution with the camera. it is often static or moving on curve direction which give hard possibility to focus. What is worse is when the camera is switching several time from one point to another repeatedly (see Nagisa's and Tomoya's first discussion).
The execution goes even whackier with some odd choices (such like doubling, tripling a scene...) along with a very uninspiring OST (sounds extremely old).

But what is actually the biggest issue is how the characters are hardly giving a substancial content. Leaving the comparison aside, most characters are simply shallow, void of true "involvement" or logical interactions with Tomoya. Either they appear for a short while, or they pop out of the blue which is hardly convincing.
The plot suffers a lot because of it, as the pace is completely erratic, with dragged phase at first, then a rush of many years in mere 20 minutes (i swear, they started and concluded AS in 10-15 MINUTES).

That is the reason why the movie is hardly touching or giving much a story to tell for any "newbie". But this is a true insult to any fan (i can't imagine for fanboys :heh:), as it is hardly recognizable from the original material.
I must admit I was expecting another "view" of AS, with a "bittersweet" end for it, but no, it isn't even remotely close that kind of wish.

Nagisa: she became ONE dimensional. It was painful to watch... Nagisa was the same from the start to finish. She was only kind, without much charms or flaws. What was freaky is how her dango love is even more "natural" than hers for Tomoya. Speaking of that, the confession was badly timed and very odd as even if i try to search for every flag, Nagisa had hardly any hint of attraction towards him, aside of her "stingy" attitude for the slop ride. Fun fact: after few days only, Nagisa begun to call Tomoya "Tomoya-san". What is more amazing is that she keep this call, even when they are going out/married.

Youhei: he didn't change much, though he is even more goofy/impulsive, but his scenes are lackluster because the scripters and animators had the "good" idea" to make them so exagereted that they were lame.

Tomoyo: she barely had like 1 minute screentime in the school life part and she almost sounded like an antagonist. Since there wasn't any scene between her and tomoya in general, her relationship is completely void and i don't get why she is visiting him in AS

Kyou: it is even worse as she became... Tomoyo's supporter for her election and didn't have ANY ROLE, except hanging around to "cheer up Tomoya" who she would hardly know. (funny fact: she calls youhei "sunohara", so they simply removed her old relaitonship with both boys). last trivia point: Ryou doesn't appear/exist

Kouko: she was the utter opposite at the first glance. Taking Koumura's place, she is however, not really that close, calling Nagisa "Furukawa-san". Fuuko is utterly absent, and she doesn't seem to have that motherly/sister aura.

Yuusuke: funnily enough, he is now quite nosy and doesn't hesitate to barge in Tomoya's room etc. He isn't corny or "anti social" at all.

Akio: At first, I thought he was the same as ever. But soon enough, he was rather like a CLOWN like youhei instead of the manly father he usually is. This is even more emphasised with Akio going completely dumb when he is with Sanae. He is rather playing "pranks" than picking on Tomoya.

Sanae: not really as the MILF she was, Sanae gained energy, but she is far more childish and easy going, then calm, collected and wise/kind.

Ushio: err... 5 second screentime....

Kotomi: same than ushio, but with 0 line. She is basically the maestro of the choir club (oddly performing the usual Alleluia), seen twice. Plain cameo.

as you can see: TONS of missing characters and even the ones who appeared barely had a role or so. Tomoyo and kyou could be removed altogether etc.

Mediocre and disappointing.

velocity7

2008-03-07, 22:17

http://naomi.thewafflehouse.net/blog/2008/03/07/clannad-movie-review/

Non-spoiler review.

And yes I agree, Klashikari, 10-15 minute conclusion. What the hell. :(

ZhangKhaiEn

2008-03-07, 23:14

And not only that, but Nagisa's ahoge is so THICK. >_<;;

Flame-X

2008-03-07, 23:37

at least there wasnt any fuuko in the movie

FCS-31

2008-03-08, 00:04

This sence is enough for me.....really.....

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc245/liu5813467251/snapshot20080308125746.jpg

I hope I can see this in TV...but......

Invi

2008-03-08, 05:32

This sence is enough for me.....really.....

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc245/liu5813467251/snapshot20080308125746.jpg

I hope I can see this in TV...but......
I don't think so. But yeah I liked this scene.

Klashikari

2008-03-08, 05:34

This is probably the only "good" points the movie can offer, along with some changes in AS (like the gang during AS, though the short span and the utter lakc of development for such situation hurt a LOT).

That is to say, we might expect a Anime Bride Nagisa as a magazine scan as a compensation :heh:
(but considering the game, there is no chance for that happening, except if KA decide to make some changes, which wouldn't hurt either).

serenade_beta

2008-03-08, 05:47

I agree that it was a pretty disappointing movie... but I still cried a bit in the end... >_<...
At least I got to see Youhei in another hair color (real hair color is... the future one?)

Klashikari

2008-03-08, 05:56

At least I got to see Youhei in another hair color (real hair color is... the future one?)
Yes, Youhei's natural hair color is Black/Grayish.

Here is how he looks like in the game:
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1134/1199716926447so7.th.jpg (http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1199716926447so7.jpg)

serenade_beta

2008-03-08, 06:00

Yes, Youhei's hair natural color is Black/Grayish.

Here is how he looks like in the game:
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1134/1199716926447so7.th.jpg (http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1199716926447so7.jpg)

Oh~, I see. Thanks. :)

Jimmy C

2008-03-08, 08:24

dgreater1

2008-03-08, 09:26

I'm curious about one thing. I watched the AIR movie years ago. I barely remember any details. But my biggest impression is, "For a so-called movie, this sure has a lot of stills."
Is that still the case with this movie?

In terms of animation (as in the movements), IMO, it's better than AIR. Anyway, don't watch this one while thinking CLANNAD anime or game, you'll surely disappoint yourself :heh: Tomoyo and Kyou duo... I was like WTF?! Kyou is so out of character, she's not the subordinate type for goodness sake!
After that, I was like, all right, don't compare anymore, just watch it without thinking about the game or anime so that I'll at least give it justice. So the outcome? I enjoyed it, it made me crack some smile here and there, and it managed to struck some other emotion chords in me. And the fact that it's a brand new CLANNAD to me helped as well. I probably wouldn't compare it to CLANNAD game or anime... since this is yet another one of TOEI's alternate retelling of KEY's work. Anyway, I probably will rate this one 8.5 out of 10 (I rate by how I viewed/enjoyed/got inspired by the show), compared to AIR movie which I gave 9 for making me cry manly tears, CLANNAD was a bit lower on drama for me which is a factor that makes me rate something really high... Okay, I'm a happy person so I balance it by watching/reading something sad :heh:

mikesince83

2008-03-11, 10:49

After reviewing some of this feedback, I think I'll wait to watch the movie. Maybe a month or so after Kyo-ani has finished airing their adaptation I'll come back for a little Clannad fix.

Klashikari

2008-03-11, 12:05

I will be frank: just DON'T watch the movie until you finished After Story (game) or if KyoAni won't animate it.

Even if the movie is hardly faithful, it does spoil some events. Basically, watching it now is like spelling your own doom: a pretty tasteless spoilerish movie, to say the least.
I can't stress any more than this: if you don't know anything of After Story content, just don't watch the movie.

Snuffle

2008-03-11, 13:13

Sorry if this has been asked before, I just don't want to accidently read spoilers when trying to find an answer to my question :uhoh:.

Is it recommended to watch the movie after the tv series is finished? Klashikari mentioned one shouldn't watch the movie without knowing the After Story. So if I don't plan on learning about the After Story, I suppose it would be ok to watch it?

Proto

2008-03-11, 13:20

No, because you will spoil yourself After Story through the movie (and a badly made spoiler at that). First wait to see if there will be any second season for CLANNAD TV. It may be easier to decide after that point becomes clear.

And even if there won't be a second season it would be preferable to get a copy of the game now that the translation is close to completion.

Tendou88

2008-03-11, 13:42

Should i finish the anime before watching the movie ?

Proto

2008-03-11, 13:45

/me points to the 3 posts above yours.

aka yes, it would be better to wait

Sammich

2008-03-11, 17:25

Finished watching it a while ago....
I didn't like it. In fact, it was rubbish. Does anyone know how to remove memories from your brain? I can use it.
ALL the symbolism and all the profound things the characters say, and all of the thought behind the characters actions are gone. Nothing left of it. They took away everything that makes Clannad Clannad.
Whereas KyoAni are animating the game itself, or a big part of it, TOEI created their own story using some characters and events they found lying around...
The cinematography was even worse, if possible. The constant barrage of sakura trees, doves and other junk flying around in the sky was, well, annoying. I bet the camerapans cause motion sickness with some viewers... The screen being cut in half and showing two characters I can live with, but the overall way they showed everything was disappointing.

And it makes my geek-blood boil that so much things got changed and switched around for no reason.:heh:

I tried to like it, I really did... But this movie just pushed all the wrong buttons. :heh:

Kristen

2008-03-11, 17:37

So, from the just watching a tiny bit of it...

So, just at the beginning, we have Nagisa standing alone on the hill. And she's doing what? Talking about Sakura trees? The Sakura have absolutely NOTHING to do with her story. And beyond that, she's actually striking up a conversation with Tomoya? What happened to the shy Nagisa?
And then I checked the ending. So, Toei decided to be faithful to Key and use Chiisana Terohina. But, for all good reasons, why would you even THINK of putting it in and cutting it out before it gets to the main melody?
Tomorrow morning is going to be a cringefest here...

Invi

2008-03-11, 19:56

I just watched that movie.
Well, I liked and enjoyed it and I'll recommend it to my friends who don't even know about Clannad tv or game.
If I have to compare Clannad movie and tv series then they are even for me... for now. There is possibility for movie being better than tv, it depends if I'll like how tv series will end. (well iI know more or less how it will end, I mean how KyoAni will do that xD)

Just personal opinion and my weird taste.

Forbin

2008-03-11, 21:55

What's the audio trick on this? I can hear the music fine but the voices are too low.

FCS-31

2008-03-11, 23:57

If this movie is not called as clannad,It's a good movie.

But as It was named "clannad",I will compare it with game and tV....and I find It quite diffience from both game and TV.

Joachim

2008-03-12, 05:12

i tried to think positively, but this is not air movie (which i think is good), and imo it is just average, not that bad but easily not good.

And while i'm not comparing it to the game or anime, i just can't enjoy it, sure it has some emotional moment, but the bgm just not quite there, animation... well not that bad but also not good.

the after story(well basically the movie story).. well someone did say the movie is a spoiler but a bad and not worthy one, and i fully support that opinion, don't watch this if you don't want to get spoiled, it would be better you wait for the anime (if they did do the after story) or play the game before you watch this, and unlike air movie, clannad movie feel rushed toward the ending, i was like "err okay? but wait thats it?"

so my score for the movie is basically... 6/10
in biased opinion.. 4/10

it is not bad.. just not good, so well yea

tripperazn

2008-03-12, 06:30

Just wondering...is there anything I'm missing out on by NOT watching this movie?

I saw the entire prologue just now (or rather what was supposed to be the prologue). I love that part, and they didn't even see fit to include a single line from the original. So, unless there is something that is worth seeing in there, I'm not going to waste my time.

Joachim

2008-03-12, 07:42

emm for me, idk for others, some of early scene was good enough, good sakura petals animation, good first interaction between nagisa and tomoya, but after that.. well it just grow less and less for me, some of the scene did make me go "ohh nice foreshadowing event" but well yea overall so-so not bad just not good enough

worth seeing... maybe nagisa in wedding dress, yea thats one, a great sunohara (who didn't agree? he shed tears for tomoya man, that alone moves me) other.. well if you really want to see unattractive kyou, kotomi you got them there

blitz1/2

2008-03-12, 07:54

I liked Sunohara when he snapped, now if there's an official dub, I would want Brian Drummond to do this.

(this reminded me of DBZ lol)

SuperKnuckles

2008-03-12, 08:04

I do not understand the bashing of the movie personally. It's made pretty well and all. Yes, it's not quite what you'd get if KyoAni did a movie, but I think the plot makes a LOT more sense since it only follows one story as it was meant to be unlike the hodgepodge hotpot of a TV anime.

As for the animation, I find the designs to be more palatable than the huge bug-eyes of the anime version at least for the likes of Nagisa and other girls.

Honestly, I don't know if it's the KyoAni favoritism or that they chose a particularly distraught story path or that they put stills into the movie and people consider that as 'bad animation'. Again, it's not KyoAni or a Miyazaki movie or anything like that. But I found it serviceable. I don't see a reason to nitpick so hard for a drama show anyway.

I thought it all flowed pretty well and I enjoyed it as a Clannad (game) fan.

People keep putting the TV anime on a pedestal, but I think as plots go, the anime could be a lot better since it could have landed on a fewer, more crucial plots. But I know it's stretching it for a game with so many paths. But I really think people unnecessarily trash this movie from what I keep hearing. It's nowhere NEAR as bad as everyone makes it out to be.

Joachim

2008-03-12, 08:32

regarding your post superknuckles, i won't say anything regarding how you feel that the movie is good, while imo its not that good

but about animation, i don't have a problem with character design, but i do have a problem with anime movie that have not so fluid character animation (this is animation i'm talking about, not character design) clannad movie have good character/scenery animation? i will give 2 thumbs up for the sakura petal, and the sea background near the end, but well the overall animation? not good, i know its not shinkai/miyazaki/kyoani movie, but come on its a movie, why its animation can even be called "less" than a tv animation?

just that part i can't agree with you, other than that, yea the movie is not that bad.. but like the other has said, if you don't really want to be spoiled in your experience in watching the anime/playing the game, then don't watch the movie yet, it basically spill the bean, same bean, different taste

SuperKnuckles

2008-03-12, 08:45

I don't understand that either because I don't see how excessive detail to animation is even needed. The scenes worked out and translated it out. The original game had no animation at all. I think you have to take into account that kind of gulf as well.

Again, I'm not really pitting anything against KyoAni because as far as the animation itself is concerned, KyoAni is hard to top. As for the whole 'movie should look better' department, I don't think that's necessarily true (for example, with a good staff/actors, Clannad may as well be live action). All that aside, I thought it was an easy watch. Maybe it's because I wasn't comparing it to KyoAni efforts or wanting elaborate animation in a drama. I heard a lot about the movie that made me dread it. People called it trash, they say to avoid it if you're a 'Clannad fan', etc. I think that's really over the line. And like I just have mentioned a few times already, it's almost futile to compare the movie's animation aspects to some of the more elaborate KyoAni segments of Clannad anyway.

I like the TV anime, LOVED the game, and I came away pretty impressed by the movie as a standalone. Maybe that's because it's nowhere near as bad as all the controversy (or shall I put it 'controversy') made it out to be.

Tensami

2008-03-12, 09:00

Joachim

2008-03-12, 09:02

i guess we will leave this discussion to here then, we just have different taste i guess

and did anyone say leave it if you are clannad fan? most of us here who say not to watch the movie is just as a warning for people who don't like to be spoiled when watching the anime/playing the game. if you don't really mind the spoiler, and other stuff that might affect you, then fine go ahead watch the movie, just don't comeback and wailing "i've been spoiled" here

look if you think i'm talking about animation means i'm judging the whole movie based on the animation, please read what i said, i don't argue with you about the story because i find it not that bad, and people may vary in their opinion regarding the story and stuff, which i therefore appreciate and respect your comment, while on the same time i find the story is good but the story telling is so-so. so can we leave it there?

regarding our argument about the animation. you said movie should look better department, is not necessarily true, why is that? they have less time so they can allocate their budget even better than a long-stretch anime tv series. So to cut the argument short, basically you did agree to my point that the animation is not that good, right? that's what i argue with you, not the whole "the movie sucks because of bad animation"

cheers

sorry i feel i need to add this to clear misunderstanding, if you say i don't like the movie because my favoritism over kyoani, tell me why i LOVE air movie ?

SuperKnuckles

2008-03-12, 09:08

i guess we will leave this discussion to here then, we just have different taste i guess

I agree. I admittedly am more open to these kinds of changes and spoilerific stuff so maybe it's just me there.

and did anyone say leave it if you are clannad fan? most of us here who say not to watch the movie is just as a warning for people who don't like to be spoiled when watching the anime/playing the game. if you don't really mind the spoiler, and other stuff that might affect you, then fine go ahead watch the movie, just don't comeback and wailing "i've been spoiled" here

Agreed. I've heard much harsher stuff outside of this forum if you're talking about that specifically.

look if you think i'm talking about animation means i'm judging the whole movie based on the animation, please read what i said, i don't argue with you about the story because i find it not that bad, and people may vary in their opinion regarding the story and stuff, which i therefore appreciate your comment, while on the same time i find the story is good but the story telling is so-so. so can we leave it there?

That's the thing with animation though. The entire thing is judged from how it comes across due to the animation. Like you mentioned, the storytelling part being so-so, I think that could be partly due to the way the animation is. Like I said, it still isn't the epitome of what KyoAni could've done. But I thought it was serviceable and the drama in itself was very good IMO. But of course, you're not going to fit the entire Clannad story into a 2 hour movie. I thought they did good with what they had.

regarding our argument about the animation. you said movie should look better department, is not necessarily true, why is that? they have less time so they can allocate their budget even better than a long-stretch anime tv series. So to cut the argument short, basically you did agree to my point that the animation is not that good, right? that's what i argue with you, not the whole "the movie sucks because of bad animation"

cheers

I actually thought it looked pretty good, just that it's not up to Steamboy/Akira, Miyazaki, Shinkai stuff. It's not exactly outstanding I agree and I could see why it could divide opinions. But I still don't see what exactly makes it bad or horrible, etc. As far as stills go, I thought the imagery rivaled or even topped some of TV Clannad's though.

Joachim

2008-03-12, 09:11

we come to our understanding then, cheers mate = )

Sammich

2008-03-12, 10:22

Wow... Now I know the movie isn't nearly as good as the anime, but damn that's a good movie. Actually it's a f'ing great movie! I agree that Kyou was completely different from the anime, and I wished Ryou was there, but you can't say that it's a bad movie. No one can! Please people, don't bash this movie just because it's not made by KyoAni. Weird, I was expecting this movie to be utter crap like everything else from Toei, but I was shocked at the greatness of this movie.

Anime: 10/10
Movie: 9/10
Game: Plan to play it as soon as the english patch comes out, but I do know most of the story so don't come saying I don't know anything about Clannad just because I love the movie too.

I can! Everyone's going to have a different opinion of the movie, so where you liked it, I really didn't. I'll admit that I'm biased due to playing the game but the movie, sadly, just didn't do it for me.
The animation wasn't bad at all, it has a very distinctive style that could put some people off I guess, but I thought it was good apart from the lip-syncing in some scenes...
But to me, the story told in the CLANNAD movie was just... well, dull.
Well that's just my opinion really... Glad other people did like it. :P

NoOneKnowS

2008-03-12, 11:51

Beautiful movie.

My only gripe is the outcome and the ending. I think Tomoyas meeting w/ his daughter went too fast (Though I was powerful but just went by too fast) so yeah.

about the outcome:

WTH why o why did Nagisa died! Almost the whole second part of the move left me teary eyed on Tomoya's narration and the scenes up to her death. Oh whel; At least seems like Tomoyo is quite giving Tomoya some signs of affection. lol.

It was a great watch for me. I mean a very good watch at that lol.

I don't know whats coming from the haters/bashers but IMHO coming from a guy who knows nothing about clannad(the game i mean; I too watch the anime though) I think the movie is really good.

Kristen

2008-03-12, 12:17

So, after months of waiting, the movie is here. Yay! Although, I can't say I was really looking forward to it as much as the anime. :p

So, first off, Toei did a really good job in the adaptation. In the limited time they had, they managed to show a lot of the after story concepts, and around 60% of the school life Nagisa concepts. However, I say limited time, because this movie needed another hour to completely show everything. It had no basketball match, no cohabilitation, and I think that the Nagisa-Tomoya relationship was just forced out of right field. They also made the birth chapter just a quick mention that Nagisa got pregnant and died.

There were definate things that Toei did that were simply inexcusable. First, they completely changed Nagisa's character. Nagisa is not assertive, she is passive! She's not the type to ask if she could walk up the hill with Tomoya, she is not the type to start a drama club on her own, and she's not the type to suggest putting up those posters again.
In fact, Tomoya at the start seemed to be the game's Nagisa, and vice versa. It was quite disheartening.
Also, you absolutely CANNOT ignore the father's story, or you kill the theme of family. Having no notion to "Tomoya-kun" or anything of the like is just bad.

I think the good in the movie that I actually thought was better than the game was Tomoya's realization that he had become the very man he did not want to be in his father. The game made very little mention of this, where it was more of an implied thing from his grandmother. This was much better in the direct hit.
And Kotomi's cameo as the director was cute. ^_^
Kouko has martial art skills? I did not know that.
And since when does Sunohara actually win fights?

Overally, this movie got a 9 for the artwork and adaptation, but I subtract 2 points for the major character change of Nagisa, so 7/10.