Character Discussion - Kaede

[NightWish]

The purpose of this thread is to provide a place to discuss all things Kaede Fuyou related.
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[Vexx]

Saying what you enjoy about a character isn't "campaigning". I'm pretty sure they were referring to things like 2" blinking fonts and name-chanting. Shouting down different opinions can be considered campaigning (if someone who wasn't happy with Kaede's story wants to discuss it for example and a Kaede-tard tries to wreck the discussion). A Kaede-tard would be a zealot with whom it is impossible to have a sentient conversation. I love the Kaede character... but because I'm unhappy with certain aspects of the story execution and resolution and am more unhappy with the writers than with Asa herself ... a Kaede-tard would shout me down as a heretic instead of discussing the ideas.

"Have fun but post intelligently" is a basic rule anywhere in the forum (though not enforced consistently). Anyone can say an X-tard thing accidently, the difference is in how you respond to some light being shown on it.

One line dittos tend to be nonsense. Discussing how Kaede managed to inflict revenge on Rin based on what he told her happened -- tends to be not-nonsense. The judgement calls are always going to be opinions .. but then that's always been the case in any forum that is actually moderated.

[Vexx]

None of that is campaigning. You're making an assertion, and then supporting it with cites or references. Someone might respond with countercites or dispute your reasons with information of their own. Discussion and debate were not banned, just space wasting noise -- examples of what campaigning is were provided in the stickies months ago.

Blinking fonts are intrusive, annoying and so 1992. They are considered annoying in almost any venue, just like posting entire posts in BOLD. Think of that guy in the tabletop area in the back of the hobby shop, ranting in a loud monotonic voice that about the interpretation of an obscure rule that a quick die roll would solve.

The emoticons, used sparingly, actually help to replace the missing facial expressions. That line isn't so bad but one emotey expresses it equally well.

I'm starting to get the impression you're intentionally ignoring the nuances to be grumpy rather than being interested in discussing Kaede and her story. Unfortunately, that somewhat casts the light that almost everything that can be said about any of these characters has been said so other than discussing it with the occasional new viewer there's not much left new to uncover about this show.

[Deathkillz]

taken from my thoughts on kaede's recap about her mental breakdown in ep 7 of memories ~
soo we see the cracks in kaede's mental state...my hatred for rin has reached a new level (even though i thought it was impossible to hate him even more >.<)

so fine he goes out with asa all day...without calling home or anything ~ okey that forgiven cause its understandable when you are "enjoying" yourself...but to go home and every night tell kaede that you arent hungry after you can see the food she has prepare for you is just despicable :frustrated:

and there was that time...when he called home telling kaede that hes having dinner over at asa's...i can just imagine the amount of pain kaede must have felt when she heard the laugther in the back ground while she is breaking down waiting for rin to return...

and anyone remember the empty pot? just to show how psyco kaede has already gotten at that stage ~

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/751/snapshot20070218232035qo0.th.jpg (http://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20070218232035qo0.jpg) http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/2050/snapshot20070218231833jq5.th.jpg (http://img458.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20070218231833jq5.jpg)

and out of it all i really feel sorry for primula...she was the only one to see kaede's condition get worse and worse...i bet she even felt that her life was being threatened at times with the death aura that kaede was giving off...only the brick headed rin couldnt notice...

i mean for hells sakes rin...look at what you did to her!!!

http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/1802/snapshot20070218232321xf0.th.jpg (http://img458.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20070218232321xf0.jpg)

and also this!!! do you think shes looking well at all? did it even cross you mind that there must be something wrong? but no...he carried on dropping the bombshells like nothing onto kaede's shattered mind! T_T

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/7808/snapshot20070218232337zo6.th.jpg (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20070218232337zo6.jpg)

heres something to start off with ;)

ps...rin is a jerk!

[stoneheart92]

:bow: :frustrated: :bash: :nono: taken from my thoughts on kaede's recap about her mental breakdown in ep 7 of memories ~

heres something to start off with ;)

ps...rin is a jerk!

i dont like Rin... not a useful man, cant do anything why does he still have the priviledge to choose between 4 girls:eyebrow:. i'm with you deathkillz !!!!

i have a HUGE percentage of respect for him which is 0.000001 %: for his kindness (remember he lied to kaede and told kaede that he killed her mother.)

just to mention... kaede joined the cooking club especially for Rin cuz she said that she wanted to cook for him she started to learn very hard... she wake up every morning early, preparing lunch for him, wake him up, shopping after school and cleaning home... that is some big work there !!:twitch: i think rin have problem with his brain:eyespin: do something for her is it that difficul?

ya you right deathkillz the empty pot that i though there would be soup in it suprised me 2. she needs support !!:help:

it is true that asa is hot but come to think back, she didnt do much to rin. she is the one who was the less useful for rin *except making him happy:uhoh: :twitch: .

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/3315/asatease8ja.gif

By the way i dont think that kaede is that fake... many says that there is no girl like that in this world cuz she is 2 shy, unable to talk with a guy unlike asa who is attractive(it is true that a open personnality is more cool), but i think she is cute 2 and she has a lot that asa do not have :love: :naughty: .

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8a/Kaede-game.JPG

Also another thing !!!!! does anyone remember in the episode 20 kaede went on the bed of rin and tried to kiss him (she doesnt really mean it), Rin pushed her away. kaede apologized to him and wanted him to stay(he was already putting his jacket on) but he went away without hesitating !:frustrated: :frustrated: that time i almost smashed my computer:bash: if a girl suplies me like that i just cant not accept what she offers:dots: . lets say if you really dont like her *at least treat her as your friend -.- make an effort man even not much !! like: ah np i was just planning on going to the WC i'll BRB.:o he just dont know how much he is destroying kaede's heart. anyone remember when rin wanted to leave the house ? :twitch: :eyebrow: OMG stop hurting kaede PLZ !! i think the story maker is 2 cruel to make :bash: :nono: let's hope the second season with better result ^^

http://www.kukudm.com/UPLOAD/NewsIMG/2006441441180.jpg


thx for your time^^. nothing is 100% if anyone have a different point of view plz let me know it would be a pleasure ^^

[Meiaminkbell]

Ok...I know I'm going to get flamed for this.

As I watched Shuffle! (have yet to see Memories), I knew right away what was going to be involved with Kaede...least I thought I did. The childhood friend, the one who cares for him, the initial spark of love interest in the entire show starts from her so suffice it to say that she is, in most harem anime cases, the one who the main character chooses.

Let's just say the ending came as a complete surprise to me.

Did I enjoy Shuffle!? Very much so. All the characters were very 3-dimensional and I see it having trouble working with fewer characters.

Did I enjoy the ending of Shuffle!and the "pairing" of Rin and Asa?

Yes I did.

It could be argued who is more "suited" for Rin, obviously no one is more devoted to him than Kaede. Truth of the matter is that Rin loves Asa, no matter how "suited" Kaede is for him. Out of the all the girls he felt the closest to Asa emotionally and in relation to real-life POV's, this is the most acceptable. Think about it, two girls that come out of nowhere and automatically declare their love and future engagement to you would make one a bit jumpy at least and not something one can just jump into. And Kaede, in Rin's view, is more of a litte sister than she is anything else, possibly even taht of a mother-figure. She took care of him, watched over him, developed a relationship with Rin that would make any romantic interest with her very awkward in his mind. Asa, however, is a friend that he's known for a couple years. He's gotten to know personal aspects about her while at the same time maintaining a moderate level of distance from her that makes her desireable and attractive at the same time. How rare it is that the main character in a harem anime falls in love with someone that could actually be considered the ideal choice in real life.

Now on to Kaede. I, LOVE this girl. She is one of the sweetest and cutest anigirls I have seen in a long time (mind you, I'm not a KKK member, I'm an RRR [Nerine does it more for me than Kaede personality, spirit, mannerisms, looks, etc.,]). Shuffle! would not have been what is was without her, yet at the same moment I am glad he didn't fallin love with her. She's too sisterly, she grew up with him for years under a very close house. I find it extrememly difficult, under Rin's position, to find much if any romantic interest in her. True, she ISN'T related to him but she still develops the sister-complex of the story.

Then there is the other point.

Up until episode 22(?) of the series, you realize that SHE. IS. FUCKING. CRAZY.

Case in point, after her mother dies AND BOTH OF HIS PARENTS, she goes into a comatose-like stasis where she cannot even take care of herself. Out of a duty to her as an older brother (in spirit mind you and whether or not this is actually true is still controversial) he takes the blame for their death (which if you think about it, it was no one's fault as accidents like this occur in everyday life). Remember, not just her mother died, but Rin lost BOTH of his parents and she knew this.

She FLIPS OUT.

My eyes were as big as saucers as the next scene unfurled with the bruises around his neck. The flashback wasn't neccessary to know what happened. The following sequences of flashbacks scared the crap out of me.

Knife to the eye?

O.<

OW!

Let us fast-forward several years to the dillemma with Asa. I don't care who you are, but nothing scared the crap out of me more than when Kaede turned to Primula after she asked "Are you ok with Rin doing this?" The wide-camera view on her was all I need, I nearly crapped my pants when they did a close-up on her crazy eyes. And then when she left to answer the phone, and Primula walked over to the pot she was stirring food in...NOTHING IN IT! I am not ashamed to admit i was yelling at Primula to get the fuck out of there.

One argues that Rin wasn't receptive to her feelings. In some cases it's true, not eating dinners she's prepared. But he does have a life of his own and he doesn't have to adhere to every meal she prepares.

Kaede has (had) an obsession with Rin. True, it is out of love and she feels the most hurt out of his relationship with Asa, but other than being slow to react to this Rin didn't really do anything wrong. It was inevitable the moment he realized his feelings for Asa and despite the order of events Kaede was bound to go through this because of her history with Rin. You're supposed to feel sympathetic to Kaede, she's a kind, gentle (usually), and beautiful girl but you're also supposed to realize there is no hope for the KaedexRin relationship because of their past and because of how she revolves her life around Rin. Rin had to let Kaede live for herself and although it was a cruel way to go about doing it, it was better than letting her obsess over him and lead an unfulfilled life. He acknowledged her feelings for him but at the same time tried his hardest to make her a better woman.

Like I said, I love Kaede. She's a great character, like all the characters, and like stoneheart said I don't think she is fake in the least. But I just don't see Rin ending up with her unless all the other girls mysteriously died/disappeared (except for Primula).

Oh and one more thing.

THAT WAS REALLY MEAN FOR THE PRODUCERS TO PUT THAT LITTLE SNIPPET OF HER AND SIA IN THE END OF THE SERIES! YOU CANNOT DO THAT!



Now let me here what you all have to say. :heh:

[monir]

Nice read! Anyone who flames you, will do so because s/he loved Kaede's character for the wrong reason. Without Kaede, and her various flaws that are demonstrated so powerfully, her character would have been incredibly boring. In fact, she was boring through out the series until those couple of episodes that gave the entire show a completely new outlook. She brought spice and variety. In the couple of episodes she starred, everything about this show was exciting, and heart wrenching. Those episodes put the audience of this show in a dillema, made them hope for something different, let them anticipate for a superb finish that are hardly ever seen in anime. Her character resonated with so many audience because of her various traits in her personality and her multi-dimensional psychological state. Her character stood out in a show that has, otherwise, done nothing different than a typical harem genre.

I love her character, but I'm not naive enough to flame anyone for stating the exact reason for why I love her character. :)

[Meiaminkbell]

Very well put. I can't imagine how much different Shuffle! would be without Kaede in it. All of the characters had their own personal problems they had to deal with, but above them all (with the exception of Asa [and even then I don't think so]), Kaede's was perhaps the saddest to watch.

And she did have one of the best lines I've heard in a romantic comedy.

"I love you, so please don't love me."

Even though it's going to be repeated over and over again by all KKK members and Shuffle! fans in general >.>

It's sad, it's heartbreaking, but at the same time you know that there was never any hope for Kaede and Rin and you really can't blame Rin for it. I really wanted him to choose Nerine, but he didn't, and Asa was in my opinion the most realistic choice.

I'm thinking about making an AMV starring Kaede. :x A comedy one, not a romantic or sad one. I need to figure out how to work video editor or wahtever the crap I need.

[Vexx]

I'm only up to volume 6 of the manga so the babbling below may prove inaccurate later but....

The manga version of Kaede that is being played out is (imo) less dynamic than the anime version mostly because Kaede sees that the green competition *doesn't* share whereas the red&blue competition are all about sharing and have made that clear since they arrived.

The manga (so far) really hasn't put Kaede in the totally trapped and drifting position that the anime did. This is both a win and a loss as far as the manga goes because in the manga we might not see the initially excellent drama we got in the anime but otoh we also won't have to endure the unsatisfying resolution of the drama in the anime.

[relentlessflame]

The manga (so far) really hasn't put Kaede in the totally trapped and drifting position that the anime did. This is both a win and a loss as far as the manga goes because in the manga we might not see the initially excellent drama we got in the anime but otoh we also won't have to endure the unsatisfying resolution of the drama in the anime.Well, that's what brings the manga more in-line with the game in that sense, seeing as the "excellent drama" was largely an anime construction. Personally, I liked Kaede's character better in the game and in the manga (where she doesn't "go psycho"), but I realize that I'm in a tiny minority there.

[Meiaminkbell]

Being unable to understand Japanese yet, I won't be able to buy the game for sometime. As far as the manga goes, is it out yet?

[Vexx]

I'm ambiguous on which is the 'better' Kaede (anime or manga). In general, I'm enjoying the manga more simply because the characters just seem to have personality continuity and the stories have more elbow room.

The manga is being released in Japan (volumes 1-6 so far) - its called Shuffle! -Days in the Bloom-.

There's also a Shuffle! series by Kadokawa Comics A which is a collection of short stories done by different manga artists： Shuffle！Comic ala Carte. There are 5 volumes and I *think* that one is complete. I actually find it more entertaining to see how different artists draw the characters.

You can find the main series by searching on "Shuffle! Days in the Bloom" at amazon.co.jp ...
The ala carte series is a bit tougher: "SHUFFLE! コミックアラカルト" will get it.

There's also a light novel series, but thats beyond me for now...

[Furudanuki]

Well, that's what brings the manga more in-line with the game in that sense, seeing as the "excellent drama" was largely an anime construction. Personally, I liked Kaede's character better in the game and in the manga (where she doesn't "go psycho"), but I realize that I'm in a tiny minority there.
While the anime version of Kaede is certainly both compelling and tragic, my personal preference for her as a personality - as opposed to filling a character role in a drama - also leans more toward the way she is portrayed in the game. The anime version added extra helpings of sadness and angst, and created a violent mental/emotional breakdown for Kaede in order to pump up the drama level for her arc. And I think that just about anyone who watched the series will agree that plot device functioned exactly as it was intended. In the game, however, Kaede comes across as a happier person. She is reliable and responsible for the most part, but she is less serious than in the anime - she can even be a bit of a ditz occasionally. Her obsession is still there and she can be gloomy at times, but it doesn't overrule the rest of her personality to the extent that it does in the anime.

[relentlessflame]

While the anime version of Kaede is certainly both compelling and tragic, my personal preference for her as a personality - as opposed to filling a character role in a drama - also leans more toward the way she is portrayed in the game. The anime version added extra helpings of sadness and angst, and created a violent mental/emotional breakdown for Kaede in order to pump up the drama level for her arc. And I think that just about anyone who watched the series will agree that plot device functioned exactly as it was intended. In the game, however, Kaede comes across as a happier person. She is reliable and responsible for the most part, but she is less serious than in the anime - she can even be a bit of a ditz occasionally. Her obsession is still there and she can be gloomy at times, but it doesn't overrule the rest of her personality to the extent that it does in the anime.Yup, exactly. The plot device in the anime functioned the way they wanted it too, but I couldn't help but feel that it was a bit of a "cheap ploy" to improve ratings -- and of course, it worked perfectly. It created whole new legions of Kaede fans to whom the "psycho" aspect was the single most endearing trait (and to whom episodes 19 & 20 are the highlight of the entire show). But until the anime came around, that wasn't the "Kaede" everyone knew. So, it's all very &#224;-propos in this Kaede discussion thread.

[monir]

From an anime-only viewer's point of view, there is nothing to compare her character with other than the show itself. She was a dull character like most of the other characters until those couple of episodes.

[Deathkillz]

true that kaede was shown to be a character only to be blended with the background before the snapping ~ with sia, prim and the other taking the spot light the writers needed something for bring kaede back out...and here spawned her amazing psyco personality :heh: and now this personality trait can be called the "kaede syndrome" which can be applied for other series...and example would be gift ~eternal rainbow~ (man i so saw that comming :heh:)

[EphemeralDream]

While my heart always belongs to Primula (:D ), I found that Kaede's little story arc was by far the best and most compelling of the 5 (Primula's a close second). Unlike the other arcs, which felt like a bunch of side dishes spread out through the course of a meal, Kaede's felt like a giant sandwich stuffed with all your favorite stuff + that little stick with the olive it to keep it all together!

Kaede's really felt like there was actual movement in it. It wasn't like the other 4 (3 if you're a Primfan) where they fall in love, then they back off a little for various reasons. Hers was whirlwind of memories and devotion with just a pinch of psychosis that no one can deny :P.

Honestly, when you see the "Nerine deciding to love Rin for her own sake" scene, you probably think "awww..." or "shazam!". When you saw the "Kaede stirs the empty pot and looks at Prim with eyes of death", you probably think "holy crap my bladder!" Now which one had more of an impact?

Kaede's arc was the only one with a definative answer and that's got to count for something.

Assuming I didn't screw up the spoiler tab, that was my belief.

P.S. Though I will admit that Kaede looks a lot more healthy on that Shuffle! Memories extra chapter. Although she seems to fall back to her psychosis when under Rin-related stress, I believe she still has a shot, not as a sisterly friend but as a potential love interest.

[Flame-X]

Very well put. I can't imagine how much different Shuffle! would be without Kaede in it. All of the characters had their own personal problems they had to deal with, but above them all (with the exception of Asa [and even then I don't think so]), Kaede's was perhaps the saddest to watch.

And she did have one of the best lines I've heard in a romantic comedy.

"I love you, so please don't love me."

Even though it's going to be repeated over and over again by all KKK members and Shuffle! fans in general >.>

It's sad, it's heartbreaking, but at the same time you know that there was never any hope for Kaede and Rin and you really can't blame Rin for it. I really wanted him to choose Nerine, but he didn't, and Asa was in my opinion the most realistic choice.

I'm thinking about making an AMV starring Kaede. :x A comedy one, not a romantic or sad one. I need to figure out how to work video editor or wahtever the crap I need.

to that little spoiler tag.. check this out XD
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_videoinfo.php?v=103060

[Meiaminkbell]

Ephermal: I agree that Kaede's arc was the most compelling, and out of the anime, my favorite one. I just don't agree, becasue of their relationship in the ad their closeness for many years, anything more than a sister-brother relationship, at least in Rin's eye.

Clamp-X: Thanks for that, I was waiting for the last part. :)

[Haru~]

I agree in all the comments posted in this thread.... the story of kaede brought people like me to admire her and love her and respect her... she brings the word tragic unrequited love in the story.. Because of the tragedy in the past, her reason of living is taking care of Rin.. "atoning for her sins"... upto the point that she is confused and lost... her story brought up the Shuffle from a regular harem into a dramatic tragic story of love... That's why I love her esp. her personality.

[Bondius]

*raises white banner*
I come here with good intentions. Hold your boxcutters. (lol)
I found the OP and ED for Kaede without the TV credits, thought I'd share 'em with you. You can view/download 'em here:
Kaede credit-less OP (http://stage6.divx.com/TAKEN2/video/1165536/SHUFFLE!MEMORIES_KAEDE_NCOP)
Kaede credit-less ED (good quality) (http://stage6.divx.com/TAKEN2/video/1165542/SHUFFLE!MEMORIES_KAEDE_NCED)
I don't know if anyone posted them already but whatever ...
*runs away to avoid boxcutter injuries*

[yrael32]

Well yes, all the opinions and facts stated above IMO are true. That Kaede's character brought the spice out of the traditionaly light Harem anime. It's true that throughout the series Rin paid less and less attention to Kaede than what he was already giving her. But...

But doesn't it seem odd that for the long time they've spent with each other before the didn't spark up and vestige of love or maybe just slight teenage attraction. You may say that because of the accident and the events that followed it that Kaede bacame "obligated" to Rin that her feelings got mixed-up with her serving him to atone for her sins and her loving him which are to completely different things.

The fact that Rin taking the blame for Kaede's parents' deaths was a bad move. You can see what happened with Kaede because of that :uhoh: . But taking it from here, it seems that Rin in his young age (maybe of brotherly instinct) CARED for Kaede.

What i'm trying to say is that the character of Rin was inconsistent when he didn't eat the dinner Kaede lovingly prepared for him. As I've said Rin in his younger years CARED for Kaede but what he did to her was extremely incoherent. I mean, is it humanly possible not to see affection coming from a ggirl who cooked for you , woke you up in the morning, cleaned the house for him. Wouldn't Rin's character seem extremly cruel if he would've tried and at least ate the dinner she cooked for him.

Rin was just to damn cruel to her.

Well I'm just glad I got that of my chest.

Anyway, I also believe it would be most realistic for Rin to end up with Asa just for the sole purpose that he oved her and she loves him back. All the other girls loved him but did he loved them back. It was just the simple question of who did he love. Would any of the girl's be happy if they ended up with a guy who didn't love. They probably won't.

I also won't remove Kaede from the being a potential love interest 'cause if Rin had just done a little something here and a little something there and just be a tad more SENSITIVE to other people's feelings then he might just realize that there was always Kaede there helping him up whenever he fell.

P.S. I strongly believe, so strong that its worth mentioning again that the Kaede arc was where Shuffle! truly became different from the rest.

[Meiaminkbell]

If I may, what was wrong with Rin taking the blame on her mom's death a fault?

Kaede was devastated when her mom died. She practically gave up living, the doctor even said that. Rin as a caring brother (I still think that's how he feels his relationship with her) knew something had to be done to help Kaede move on with her life. How do you tell a child like her about death? You really think that no one tried to explain it to her? Not even her own father?

Rin wanted her to live, no matter what the cost. And he paid it for a good 6 years? Why the hell is Rin being ostracized for wanting her to live?

Sorry sorry, I don't want to get fired up, I just can't see how Rin is the bad guy fr wanting to help Kaede live.

[yrael32]

If I may, what was wrong with Rin taking the blame on her mom's death a fault?

Kaede was devastated when her mom died. She practically gave up living, the doctor even said that. Rin as a caring brother (I still think that's how he feels his relationship with her) knew something had to be done to help Kaede move on with her life. How do you tell a child like her about death? You really think that no one tried to explain it to her? Not even her own father?

Rin wanted her to live, no matter what the cost. And he paid it for a good 6 years? Why the hell is Rin being ostracized for wanting her to live?

Sorry sorry, I don't want to get fired up, I just can't see how Rin is the bad guy fr wanting to help Kaede live.

No he shouldnt be ostacized for trying to help Kaede to live. In fact, its a very commendable effort. But what I'm saying is that it was cruel for Rin not to even spare a second glance at Kaede when she was trying his best for him (e.g. The food that Kaede prepared that he didn't eat)

Also look how at how Rin taking the blame for Kaede did to her. Kaede took it heavier because she felt guilty for Rin taking the blame for her and the sudden shock of it plus the thought that she was guilty (which she was not) for her mother's death.

And from my point of view, wouldn't it be intereting if for another retelling of the story that Rin didn't took the blame for the loss of Kaede's mom. I think it would make some space for their relationship to blossom

[Meiaminkbell]

Ok, I apologize if I came off rude.

I've already expressed my feelings towards Rin's treatment to Kaede earlier so I won't get into it again.

ANd I think the general feeling we were supposed to get from Rin taking the blame for her mom's death, if he hadn't done that she would have died. That's how I feel.

[Haru~]

Well it must be said that Kaede can never win from all what happened in the past.. And yeah if the past is change then maybe she got any chance... Oh well I just wish they'll animate Really Really and create an alternative story ..Memories is 11 episode of waste of time and one episode of pure non-sense.. oh well :uhoh:

[yrael32]

Well it must be said that Kaede can never win from all what happened in the past.. And yeah if the past is change then maybe she got any chance... Oh well I just wish they'll animate Really Really and create an alternative story ..Memories is 11 episode of waste of time and one episode of pure non-sense.. oh well :uhoh:

Unfortunately, your correct and I too hope that they make another series 'cause memories was such a let-down:(

[Meiaminkbell]

But that nonsense is pure gold!

[SweetHoney]

Hmm what I think about Kaede is for one she is pretty cool and pretty and how Rin was breaking her down like this was unbelieveable!

I mean look at this Kaede got sick why? because of Rin

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At least he was decent and told Kaede he was the one that ended up her mother being killed even though he wasn't. But I did feel sorry for him

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And saved her from the truck if he didn't Kaede would be Gone T_T

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But then again she appertnaley went "pyshco"

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I mean if I was a guy I wouldn't say no to this and btw I'm not being a lesbo

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So you see half the time it's Rin but he did be descent and saved Kaede once the rest he wasn't fairly nice :/

[Meiaminkbell]

A lot of guys in that similar situation wouldn't have said no either.

But a lot of guys would have.

I praise the ones who would say no. Otherwise they are exploiting a dear friend's fragile (VERY fragile) mind and current state. She wasn't trying to sleep with him because she wanted to, she was trying to sleep with him because she wanted his attention. If he HAD, things would have gone from bad to worse. And I mean the worst possible kind of worse.

Besides, I'll reinstate my last arguemnt of Kaede, inRin's mind, is more of a little sister than she is anything else. Although he (arguably) understood her feelings for him and tried his best to handle the situation, she was probably still the little sister whom he looked out after all his years.

[dahilig007]

Hmm what I think about Kaede is for one she is pretty cool and pretty and how Rin was breaking her down like this was unbelieveable!

I mean look at this Kaede got sick why? because of Rin

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At least he was decent and told Kaede he was the one that ended up her mother being killed even though he wasn't. But I did feel sorry for him

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And saved her from the truck if he didn't Kaede would be Gone T_T

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But then again she appertnaley went "pyshco"

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I mean if I was a guy I wouldn't say no to this and btw I'm not being a lesbo

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So you see half the time it's Rin but he did be descent and saved Kaede once the rest he wasn't fairly nice :/

Yeah you're right... But to be Honest.. I feel sorry for Kaede...:(

[Oneiros]

Besides, I'll reinstate my last arguemnt of Kaede, inRin's mind, is more of a little sister than she is anything else. Although he (arguably) understood her feelings for him and tried his best to handle the situation, she was probably still the little sister whom he looked out after all his years.
I also think he felt some degree of guilt for depriving Kaede of her own life since he tolerated her obsessive kind of atonement for far too long (to the point of dependency). I was actually thinking, "Why didn't that bastard Rin try to wean Kaede off the guilt trip earlier and let her live her own life instead of tolerating (exploiting?) said guilt trip so that he'll have a de facto maid/servant?" He did do something along the lines of the former, but IMHO it was years too late.

God, with that kind of guilt on my head, I would also have said no. Remember kids, always say no to emotional-trauma-induced pity sex. You will feel dirty afterwards (and not in a good way "dirty").

But then we wouldn't have a semi-decent anime without all these "unresolved issues"™ or "emotional baggage"™.

[koreaneeyore]

i <3 kaede. to me she is just pure awesome. part reason is that she is almost perfect. another is, she trusted rin. and another (of many) is she is a total yandere. i dont know about you others, but to me, yandere is a total moe factor (but then, thats just me).

[jethroboni]

Kaede should have been Rin's GF!! I really think Rin has no thankful feelings for Kaede.... I also KNOW that Rin is abusing kaede too much, like ordering her around at anytime he likes....

[Garet Linegod]

The anime staff had completly twisted the behaviour of both Rin and Kaede from their original self in the game. People who suggested that Kaede is a psycho or complained that Rin is abusive to Kaede, please okay the game, or read the newly-released "Really? Really!" manga vol.1 ;)

[Sakura_Kinomoto]

I agree with that statement as we saw in the games Kaede was a sweet kind beautiful girl and only a tad bit pyshco lol. I have to say Shuffle! wouldnt be Shuffle if it didnt have Kaede in it she is the best girl there and if she was in my life i would treat her 10000Xs better than Rin ^^

[Incubusknight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3X4uo7SE54

Youtube video dedicated to Kaede and what she went through.

I'm also a Kaede fan, and while I was watching the series I seriously thought Rin would end up with Kaede since to me she was like the underdog of the series, being the only human from the two princesses of the gods and demons.

It's a shame they didn't have at least one episode where Kaede and Rin went out on a date or did something together other then her just becoming sick from trying to win Rins favor with cleaning and taking care of the house hold chores.

::shrugs:: oh well, just something that bother me for a long while, I'm not displeased with the AsaXRin ending but it was surprising giving the fact that Asa was Kaede's friend and was also the one that knew just how much Kaede cared for him.

[Sakura_Kinomoto]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3X4uo7SE54

Youtube video dedicated to Kaede and what she went through.

I'm also a Kaede fan, and while I was watching the series I seriously thought Rin would end up with Kaede since to me she was like the underdog of the series, being the only human from the two princesses of the gods and demons.

It's a shame they didn't have at least one episode where Kaede and Rin went out on a date or did something together other then her just becoming sick from trying to win Rins favor with cleaning and taking care of the house hold chores.

::shrugs:: oh well, just something that bother me for a long while, I'm not displeased with the AsaXRin ending but it was surprising giving the fact that Asa was Kaede's friend and was also the one that knew just how much Kaede cared for him.


*cries* poor Kaede The KKK will always be there for you...Why did Rin do that to her grrr I hate him!!!!!!!!!! that selfish bastard!

[Incubusknight]

*cries* poor Kaede The KKK will always be there for you...Why did Rin do that to her grrr I hate him!!!!!!!!!! that selfish bastard!

Now, now...while he did wrong Kaede to the point that she almost went insane he at least did her a favor by moving out. Imagine how it would of been had he stayed after the last few events of Kaede's arc, so much uneasiness and darkness would of hung over the house hold, and with him still dating Asa it just would of been insult to injury and even over kill on Kaede's emotions.

Anyway what's also sad is she'll probably take a long time to recover from loosing Rin whom became her entire world from which was shattered. I get the feeling that if Shuffle continued there would be a few scenes with her crying herself to sleep, maybe even on Rins old bed. ::Is getting idea's for a fanfiction::

Another thought...

In ep 21 (I think it was) when Kaede ran away from home after finding out that Rin was leaving, I'm curious to know how many others out there thought she ran off to end her own life.

I remember watching the scene where Primula discovers Kaede missing and my first thought was "Crap my favorite character in the series is going to kill herself now. Way to go Rin way to go..."
Lucky that wasn't the case since Kaede ran into Asa at the bridge (maybe she was planing on jumping) and had that much needed heart to heart talk which may have saved her life.


That's just my thoughts in that scene.

[Sakura_Kinomoto]

Now, now...while he did wrong Kaede to the point that she almost went insane he at least did her a favor by moving out. Imagine how it would of been had he stayed after the last few events of Kaede's arc, so much uneasiness and darkness would of hung over the house hold, and with him still dating Asa it just would of been insult to injury and even over kill on Kaede's emotions.

Anyway what's also sad is she'll probably take a long time to recover from loosing Rin whom became her entire world from which was shattered. I get the feeling that if Shuffle continued there would be a few scenes with her crying herself to sleep, maybe even on Rins old bed. ::Is getting idea's for a fanfiction::

Another thought...

In ep 21 (I think it was) when Kaede ran away from home after finding out that Rin was leaving, I'm curious to know how many others out there thought she ran off to end her own life.

I remember watching the scene where Primula discovers Kaede missing and my first thought was "Crap my favorite character in the series is going to kill herself now. Way to go Rin way to go..."
Lucky that wasn't the case since Kaede ran into Asa at the bridge (maybe she was planing on jumping) and had that much needed heart to heart talk which may have saved her life.


That's just my thoughts in that scene.

Jeez if you ask me i think Rin is to blame for what has happened to Kaede, All that time she cared for him, i mean she did everything for him and he didnt appreciate it!!! He was her entire life....and yeah she will take a very long time to recover, i can see her crying herself to sleep on Rins bed....... also on Your thoughts on Ep 21 i thought that aswell and i was so upset and mad.....but shes still alive so theres still hope for her hapiness

[SeedFreedom]

Its also that his character changed. Remeber when he went to the demon world and stood up to gods to save Primula? Well that was good Rin. But ever since Asa wrapped him around her little figer it became" Duh, i care about nothing except boobs and green hair". He turn from a selfless kind person to a blubbering idiot. Even if you say Rin wasn't directly responsible for Kaede's fall "which i believe he was" then at least he should care about her as much, if not more than primula. This is the girl who drove herself to sickness to serve him and he completely abandons her. He barely knows Asa and Primula compared to Kaede.

[Sakura_Kinomoto]

Its also that his character changed. Remeber when he went to the demon world and stood up to gods to save Primula? Well that was good Rin. But ever since Asa wrapped him around her little figer it became" Duh, i care about nothing except boobs and green hair". He turn from a selfless kind person to a blubbering idiot. Even if you say Rin wasn't directly responsible for Kaede's fall "which i believe he was" then at least he should care about her as much, if not more than primula. This is the girl who drove herself to sickness to serve him and he completely abandons her. He barely knows Asa and Primula compared to Kaede.

i agree 100% but i lay all the blame on Rin hes such a selfless bastard and thats another thing compare how much he knows Kaede compared to the other girls, And of all the people though it had to be Asa...wasnt that just the cherry on the cake? *im being sarcastic here :P* even before i became a member of the KKK i still utterly despied Rin and Asa together

[HASHIRIYA]

when watching the first ep i was like damn that what i called trained...

[Raistlin-]

Awww i personally love Kaeda's character and her ending in the anime really breaks my heart.

It's not that I hate the Asa Rin pairing or anything but i'm just a little bit perplexed by it. I honestly and firmly believed Rin would end up with Kaeda, their foundation was just way too perfect for them not to end up with each other.

I never believed even for a sec that Rin would end up with Nerine, Sia or Primula because it just didnt make any sense that he would fall in love with girls that randomly pop into his world, wanting to marry him. But i was genuinely shocked that he ended up with Asa instead of Kaede.

I always thought Asa would remain just a random side character, the cheerful generic happy go lucky friend. Nothing at all develops between Rin and Asa in like the first half of the anime, they are just childhood friends.

The bond they share doesnt even begin to compare with what Rin and Kaede have been through together. Kaede has been in Rin's life all this time, completely devoted to him with all the love and care Rin could possibly wish for.

Yes, its possible that Rin thought it was only her way of atoning for what happened in the past. But honestly, Rin must be blind if he cant see that she truly loves him. No one goes through THAT much just to atone for a misunderstanding...

So I just cant see why Rin would fall in love with Asa on a whim and chooses to turn his back on someone like Kaede, a person that honestly truly desperately loves him. It just doesnt make much sense to me.

[Sakura_Kinomoto]

*yay omg another australian ^^* neways i thought throughout the series it would be between Nerine, Sia and Kaede, i mean your right she was basically a side character throughout the first Half, and yeah i agree about Rin thinking it was her only way...its a load of bull if u ask me. He turned away from the girl that had loved him practically all her life she was at his call all these years she gave so much and devoted everything to him, Rin returned the favour by being a selfish prick and going with Asa **i wonder if many people visit the Shuffle! end of town any more <.< i miss talking about it how long till they release another!!??? *cries* **

[Incubusknight]

I always thought Asa would remain just a random side character, the cheerful generic happy go lucky friend.

I had the same thoughts as well, especially since Asa later on said she didn't feel like getting involved in boyfriends and just wanted to have fun with everyone.

Course she did say she was interested in at least one guy (that being Rin) but I figured it was just going to be similar to Mayumi's relationship with Rin.

Also given to the fact that Asa seemed to know Kaede's feelings for Rin I figured she'd be a Rin x Kaede supporter too. :(

Nothing at all develops between Rin and Asa in like the first half of the anime, they are just childhood friends.

hmm I never really considered Asa as Rins childhood friend only Kaede.
Asa only met Rin, because of Kaede going to her cooking club to learn how to cook for Rin. Although I'm not 100% of what the grade difference was between then and the preasent. couldn't of been too far seeing as since none of them really looked significantly younger. (maybe it was their first year of junior high??)

Jeez if you ask me i think Rin is to blame for what has happened to Kaede,

Agreed, it was Rins fault Kaede ended up that way, no mistake about that, but for some reason or another Rin didn't love Kaede the way a lot of us wanted him too, which is tragic seeing as how much Kaede tried to win his favor by doing the only thing she could or knew how to do.

Anyway, being that it is that Rin didn't love Kaede, I still believe he cared about her but was just too worried of telling Kaede to stop taking care of him (she did say he was the only meaning to her life) and chose not to do anything but leave her alone and hope she got over him like the other girls seemed to do.
That of course wasn't the case and while Rin went out to continue on with his life and time with Asa Kaede was left at home in her slowly falling apart world.

how long till they release another!!???

Would be neat to see another, I'd definitely watch it. I wonder if it be the same characters though or just brand new ones to start the whole shuffle over again.

[HashiriyaR32]

If they're planning on doing an anime adaptation of Really? Really!, for their restart of SHUFFLE! they MUST tear down a giant portion of the episodes starting from around ep14-16, and COMPLETELY REDO them, in order to fill in people who HAVE NOT 1) Played the original game, or 2) Have but have not gone through Kaede's path.

I don't what's wrong with me, but I found myself laughing manically at Kaede's breakdown (just finished ep20). I think it was because I KNEW it was going to happen, and since I couldn't do anything about it, might as well be vicarious.

[oompa loompa]

i disagree with people saying that the end pairing was ok..
we all said we liked the last 6 episodes or so because it was such a contrast from before. what made this contrast? as far as i can see it wasnt asa.. i admit, perhaps asa was the BEST pairing, in all practicality. but from a story point of view, i thougt the way kaedes and rins relationship deteriorate was brilliant - and was definetly the highlight of the show. if the show had ended on that note, with kaede being chosen. it would end things as absolutely complete, because you could definetly imagine the others walking away as 'just friends'.

infact asa was pefect for the ' just friends'. if i have to put my finger on why it was so wrong
its because you just didnt feel so sorry for asa when she was in the hospital or what not
you did feel sorry for kaede when she broke down. in a sense, the character was much more 'human'.
one of the best developed characters in any anime.. i would really die to see another one with such a complete and well done turnaround of personality, and a char with so much depth..

eh as u might have noticed i thought kaede was the best from the start lol

[Dxon]

when watching the first ep i was like damn that what i called trained...

You mean like a well trained pet human? :p

[Meiaminkbell]

Man you people are...grrr...musn't be TOO rude...

Seriously though, you are putting your entire basis on not only the protagonist but the entire show itself on the fact that Rin didn't fall in love with Kaede. And to make things worse, you justify it by saying that he was a complete jackass to her for 1) not eating all the meals she cooked, and 2) ignoring the signs of her mental instability. I mean holy hell, what the F is wrong with you people?

"omg kaede is teh perfect choice because she does everything for him and loves him the mostest and rin is a stupid-head for not loving her OMG whatz wrong wit him!"

Number one, Asa is TWICE the woman Kaede is, and I like Kaede's character MORE than Asa! Devotion and housework does not a woman make, what kind of backwards 18th century world are you tools living in where OBSESSIVE

ob·ses·sion
-noun
1. the domination of one's thoughts or feelings by a persistent idea, image, desire, etc.
2. the idea, image, desire, feeling, etc., itself.
3. the state of being obsessed.
4. the act of obsessing.

where OBSESSIVE behavior and attitude pertaining to a guy you had every opportunity to advance your relationship with but didn't and oops, now he likes someone else, is a DESIREABLE trait in a woman? I loved Kaede but she FREAKED me out, even as a childhood friend I would not want that kind of person as my girlfriend/lover. Asa was strong, determined, excelled in several things, but nobody likes her because she "stole" Rin from Kaede. Heh in my opinion, Asa's quite a woman, and definently more mentally stable than a maple (see=kaede)

I'm not anti-Kade, I'm anti-fanatics/nuts. Your favorite character wasn't 1) chosen by the protagonist and 2)portrayed as the perfect goddess you think she is, so you bash the main character because he didn't eat every grain of rice she put out in front of him. How sad. I wanted a more in-depth Nerine arc, with more interaction between her and Rin and ultimately, those two getting together, but I ain't complaining. My heart goes out to you poor souls.

If anyone you should feel bad for Sia, because she became the closest to him first half of the show but suddenly disappeared after the Primula arc.

[SeedFreedom]

Man you people are...grrr...musn't be TOO rude...

Seriously though, you are putting your entire basis on not only the protagonist but the entire show itself on the fact that Rin didn't fall in love with Kaede. And to make things worse, you justify it by saying that he was a complete jackass to her for 1) not eating all the meals she cooked, and 2) ignoring the signs of her mental instability. I mean holy hell, what the F is wrong with you people?

"omg kaede is teh perfect choice because she does everything for him and loves him the mostest and rin is a stupid-head for not loving her OMG whatz wrong wit him!"

Number one, Asa is TWICE the woman Kaede is, and I like Kaede's character MORE than Asa! Devotion and housework does not a woman make, what kind of backwards 18th century world are you tools living in where OBSESSIVE

ob·ses·sion
-noun
1. the domination of one's thoughts or feelings by a persistent idea, image, desire, etc.
2. the idea, image, desire, feeling, etc., itself.
3. the state of being obsessed.
4. the act of obsessing.

where OBSESSIVE behavior and attitude pertaining to a guy you had every opportunity to advance your relationship with but didn't and oops, now he likes someone else, is a DESIREABLE trait in a woman? I loved Kaede but she FREAKED me out, even as a childhood friend I would not want that kind of person as my girlfriend/lover. Asa was strong, determined, excelled in several things, but nobody likes her because she "stole" Rin from Kaede. Heh in my opinion, Asa's quite a woman, and definently more mentally stable than a maple (see=kaede)

I'm not anti-Kade, I'm anti-fanatics/nuts. Your favorite character wasn't 1) chosen by the protagonist and 2)portrayed as the perfect goddess you think she is, so you bash the main character because he didn't eat every grain of rice she put out in front of him. How sad. I wanted a more in-depth Nerine arc, with more interaction between her and Rin and ultimately, those two getting together, but I ain't complaining. My heart goes out to you poor souls.

If anyone you should feel bad for Sia, because she became the closest to him first half of the show but suddenly disappeared after the Primula arc.

Maybe i'm only talking for myself, but frankly she deserved to win. Her path is the default path in the game and she was given the most reaction from rin. While it is obvious early on that Asa liked rin, there was no return love. however after her character became more popular, and the wrapped up primula's arc, they basically wrote out Nerine and gave kaede a breakdown, all in an attempt to sell more figurines. I'm use to rooting for the underdog, but i still get upset when they win, because it doesn't match the story. Correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think her character showed any psycho tendencies in the game, and it was just used as an excuse to make her look worse than Asa.

Her whole thing about wanting to be just friends to save their friendship early on should have written her off the competition list

[HashiriyaR32]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think her character showed any psycho tendencies in the game

Right on!

[oompa loompa]

you know i change my view (SLIGHTLY) on this. she did deserve to win. like i said, it doesnt matter who was the 'better' one. there are some elements that I considered.. i donno about others
1.) Kaede is the only one with a really personal relationship with rin - i.e a past
2.) did you notice? Kaede was the ONLY one Rin ever treated badly- shes the only one whos arc wasnt just ' oh i love you rin these are my problems' and rin fixes them- just the fact that it was different, made me think from a STORY point of view, kaede was the most satisfying
3.)Even if asas arc was the last arc, kaedes arc was atleast 10x more intense.. ok maybe that is a bit of an exaggeration :D but it was one of the biggest, if not the biggest selling points of the show, that turned a somewhat silly echhi anime into something which had REAL drama.
4.) OH COME ON, tell me really, would ANYONE have complained at all if kaede did get him?:D

having said that it is just my opinion.. i think what irks me the most is not the fact that kaede didnt get him in the end, it was HOW they resolved kaedes plot. the rconcilliation was simply not satisfying enough, and the transition to asa was very rough..

[Meiaminkbell]

Deserved to win? This wasn't a race or a sports events were talking about here(although in most harem cases it comes very close to a boxing tournament). Rin wasn't neatly wrapped at the end of a long finish line, although most of you KKK members would love to wrap a pretty bow tightly around his neck (or scrotum).

Rin loved Asa and she returned that love. That's it. Done, finished. Take it out of the skillet cuz it's cooked. No more needs to be said. Badda bing badda bang badda boom

Deserves. I love that. "Deserves to win." Like she's a better person than Asa. Like you're comparing Mother Thersea to Hitler (and looking on the KKK forum board most people refer to her as that). Like Asa did something so heinous that she does not deserved to be loved.

*raises hand*

Can I make a point about Kaede?

*points to her*

SHE'S THE MOST VIOLENT ONE ON THE SHOW!

Even ignoring their past together (and seriously, how can you? I give props to Rin for being so strong and tolerant of/for her), they grew up in a tight-knit blended family environment where they interacted as brother and sister for what, a good ten plus years (ignoring the box cutter years)? After their reconciliation, Kaede did nothing, absolutely nothing at all to try to advance their relationship and yet when Rin and Asa started dating she tried to blame him for her problems. So I don't feel sorry for her at all. She had a terrible past with Rin, one that could have been fixed and to an extent was and I sympathize with her on that, but she had her chance, blew it, and is now becoming subservient to Primula.

As far as the game is concerned, that's a completely different subject and has no relevance to the anime. In fact, I think Kaede being coo-coo made her more interesting than "the loving sisterly type" and I would have welcomed an ending where Rin did fall for her and they had a blossoming love together. But as it turned out in the anime, which the computer game has no influence to the outcome of the show, Asa was a pillar of strength for Rin and a person he admired on many levels not just as a senior classmate, but as someone he could always go to no matter the situation, and in return Rin was a person that Asa wanted to be with. Just because he didn't "return" her "love" in the first half of the show doesn't mean he wasn't feeling the same things she was. To wit, Kaede's arc made her more 3-dimensional and not just your typical girl-next-door.

And for f's sake, stop saying he's abusing her! O.M.G. There is no BASIS to this other than the fact that he DIDN'T spend every dinner and day with her outside of school! I've mentioned countless times that he WAS ignorant of her declining mental health and is guilty of not doing anything until the last minute but he ALWAYS had her best interest in heart whether or not the outcome was the desired one. He didn't come home, smack her across the face and go "Where's dinner?!" then leave to pimp around with his hoe's. Maybe he wanted to try someone else's cooking for a change, ever think of that? "OMG someone else is wearing an apron for him what a bitch!" And yet you KKK members continue to go "Rin was a horrible person to Kaede! Rin abused her! Rin treated her like sh*t!" while the main reason you hate him is...

HE DIDN'T LOVE HER IN THE FIRST PLACE!

If he had, there wouldn't be any of this. This show could have played out the exact same way from beginning to end but have Kaede be the woman he falls in love with, AND WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION! :D That in itself is the entire point why you KKK members are NUTS. You try and justify your hatred to Rin for how cruely he treated her, but the real problem is, he didn't see things through your eyes. He didn't fall in love with Kaede, therefore, he's an asshole. If he had, he'd be a genius. See the double standard?

It's not that her arc was more intense than Asa's, or that she was portrayed more human than she was in the bishoujo game, or she had the more personal (see=Donny and Marie) relationship with Rin...that is not a good foundation for the pillars of love (architectural humor). What is a good one however is...

Asa was in love with Rin.

And he in turn was in love wth her.

AND I'M AN RRR MEMBER! :P

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[SeedFreedom]

Deserved to win? This wasn't a race or a sports events were talking about here(although in most harem cases it comes very close to a boxing tournament). Rin wasn't neatly wrapped at the end of a long finish line, although most of you KKK members would love to wrap a pretty bow tightly around his neck (or scrotum).

Rin loved Asa and she returned that love. That's it. Done, finished. Take it out of the skillet cuz it's cooked. No more needs to be said. Badda bing badda bang badda boom

Deserves. I love that. "Deserves to win." Like she's a better person than Asa. Like you're comparing Mother Thersea to Hitler (and looking on the KKK forum board most people refer to her as that). Like Asa did something so heinous that she does not deserved to be loved.

*raises hand*

Can I make a point about Kaede?

*points to her*

SHE'S THE MOST VIOLENT ONE ON THE SHOW!

As far as the game is concerned, that's a completely different subject and has no relevance to the anime. In fact, I think Kaede being coo-coo made her more interesting than "the loving sisterly type" and I would have welcomed an ending where Rin did fall for her and they had a blossoming love together. But as it turned out in the anime, which the computer game has no influence to the outcome of the show,

And there in lies the biggest problem. To help me illustrate my point i will use Naruto, because it is popular and hopefully you have seen it and will understand. If not, please skip the rest of this paragraph. Imagine if in the show, they decide to make sakura crazy and have naruto fall in love with hinata. sakura tries to kill hinata and he completly blows her off and forgets about saving sauske. All of this was done by the creators of the anime to sell more hinata merchandising because her character gained popularity. Now, i would be upset, because this doesn't hold true to the manga, as this anime didn't hold true to it's source, the game. Even if you argue that in a harem, no ending is set or true, i will take that argument for now, it still doesn't justify ruining her character and making her a psycho.

HE DIDN'T LOVE HER IN THE FIRST PLACE!

If he had, there wouldn't be any of this. This show could have played out the exact same way from beginning to end but have Kaede be the woman he falls in love with, AND WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION! That in itself is the entire point why you KKK members are NUTS. You try and justify your hatred to Rin for how cruely he treated her, but the real problem is, he didn't see things through your eyes. He didn't fall in love with Kaede, therefore, he's an asshole. If he had, he'd be a genius. See the double standard?

That is where your wrong. Compared to all of the other characters Rin showed the most compassion to Kaede. While i agree that doesn't solidify the ending, it doesnt mean he never loved her. To write her off after they made it more of a brotherly love. He didn't abandon Primula, and he didn't abandon Asa. but when it came to Kaede he basically said "screw you. I'm not gonna help".

I'm not saying that Kaede is perfect, and im not saying you have to like her. I also dont say you have to hate Rin or Asa, but the writing team didn't give Kaede's character justice. Because of this, i cannot recommend this anime, which was my favorite, not because of the ending, but the sloppy clean up job the writing staff used to sell more dolls for perverted otakus to undress.

P.S. i will also mention, even not really a fan, Nerine got the worst treatment from the writing staff who basically didn't give her a character.

[oompa loompa]

That is where your wrong. Compared to all of the other characters Rin showed the most compassion to Kaede. While i agree that doesn't solidify the ending, it doesnt mean he never loved her. To write her off after they made it more of a brotherly love. He didn't abandon Primula, and he didn't abandon Asa. but when it came to Kaede he basically said "screw you. I'm not gonna help".

I'm not saying that Kaede is perfect, and im not saying you have to like her. I also dont say you have to hate Rin or Asa, but the writing team didn't give Kaede's character justice. Because of this, i cannot recommend this anime, which was my favorite, not because of the ending, but the sloppy clean up job the writing staff used to sell more dolls for perverted otakus to undress.

P.S. i will also mention, even not really a fan, Nerine got the worst treatment from the writing staff who basically didn't give her a character.

hear hear :)

[HashiriyaR32]

If this keeps dragging on, I'm going to bring in a facepalm.

[Meiaminkbell]

Well, he never really went "screw you", he more or less thought that letting things run its course was for the best, and it wasn't until Kaede exploded at Asa that he realized how serious this was. And I personally found no evidence of Rin having more affection for her than that of "brotherly love", other than the odd blush. But of course he loved her, he loved her very much but he wasn't IN love with her. There is a difference.

To point out where people are wrong, I DO like Kaede. I loved her character very much, half of which was because of how 3-dimensional she was portrayed. I thought the "psychotic episode" really solidifed herself as a character and she wasn't just there for filler like Nerine and Primula outside her arc. However, and this is the problem I have with most KKK members (not all, I like you :) ) they are all of the belief that Rin treated her like sh*t (which I will stubbornly argue isn't the case), and hate him and Asa unconditionally because of it. They say she "stole" Rin from Kaede when it's obvious she never had him in the first place. I just love poking the RL KKK because they called me a "mod-troll" and I was "obviously an AAA" even after I said I was completely RRR :). That, an some of the funny stuff they write on their board. OMG it's so funny, that forum always cheers me up, I might go trolling one day. :)

Oops, you are (were?) the VP. :rolleyes:

[SeedFreedom]

Well, he never really went "screw you", he more or less thought that letting things run its course was for the best, and it wasn't until Kaede exploded at Asa that he realized how serious this was. And I personally found no evidence of Rin having more affection for her than that of "brotherly love", other than the odd blush. But of course he loved her, he loved her very much but he wasn't IN love with her. There is a difference.

To point out where people are wrong, I DO like Kaede. I loved her character very much, half of which was because of how 3-dimensional she was portrayed. I thought the "psychotic episode" really solidifed herself as a character and she wasn't just there for filler like Nerine and Primula outside her arc. However, and this is the problem I have with most KKK members (not all, I like you :) ) they are all of the belief that Rin treated her like sh*t (which I will stubbornly argue isn't the case), and hate him and Asa unconditionally because of it. They say she "stole" Rin from Kaede when it's obvious she never had him in the first place. I just love poking the RL KKK because they called me a "mod-troll" and I was "obviously an AAA" even after I said I was completely RRR :). That, an some of the funny stuff they write on their board. OMG it's so funny, that forum always cheers me up, I might go trolling one day. :)

Oops, you are (were?) the VP. :rolleyes:

Its true there are some people who do hate the character blindly because she won, but you'll find those people in every faction. The KKK just seems to have more because we're the biggest losing faction. I will still hold my position against the character change, but it seems we both understand where each other is standing and will just have to agree to dissagree on that.

[Generic Asian Guy]

My heart stopped when I saw that picture in Rin's room O_O

[raven911]

Hello everyone, first post here.

Plain or bland aside, I think what I'm surprise the most is that the choice of adaption. While Asa is certainly an interesting, I don't think she has enough character depth to warrant the position of the main heroin. Same things go for Primula or Sia. I wished it had either been Kaede or Nervin that was chosen as the main heroin.

While it's true that each heroins got a crisis that is needed to overcome. Kaede's scenario is the most natural one in term of narrative and story leading since it's directly wired to Rin. Asa's scenario is good and while I applaud the climax, it does feel like something that comes out of nowhere in order to "force" some sympathy on the viewers and kick off the romance. For me a dramatic climax usually back fire when it doesn't have approriate leading events.

As for Rin, if selfish is too harsh of a word than maybe oblivious will do. I think the point where it ticks me off the most is when Rin came home and he can not see Kaede's red and she has bags under her eyes ... common, it's not possible to miss that. That's when I switched from objectively rooting for Kaede (yes, since I like her) to actively dislike Rin and Asa (side effect). But after the dust is settled and my head got cool, I don't blame Rin or Asa, but simply classified it as BAD SCENARIO WRITING. Good scenario writing should promt an event to happen, not forcefully make it happen. So Kaede's crisis moved from the most dramatic spot in the series to the most un-natural and non-sensible one.


So that's my two cents on it. I believe had Keade was chosen as the main heroin, her scenario could have been writen a lot better in a way that make sense, and with her background story I just think she has a better material for the main lead.

My list of main characters would be:

- Kaede
- Nervin
- Sia/Asa (same)
- Primula.

[foreverdissevered]

After someone made a spoiler and said Rin picked Asa.. I stopped watching the series at Episode 12. It was clear to me how Kaede would feel... and I just can't find any more enjoyment in a love series that has the most devotional girl suffer.

If only Rin would be more sensitive, or atleast know to leave Kaede alone if he is gonna leave her, the series would have been much more renown.

Rin= Ruined the whole series

[Sute443]

After someone made a spoiler and said Rin picked Asa.. I stopped watching the series at Episode 12. It was clear to me how Kaede would feel... and I just can't find any more enjoyment in a love series that has the most devotional girl suffer.

Unless you've been exposed to other spoilers, then I can pretty much guarantee your thoughts are wrong.

[foreverdissevered]

Unless you've been exposed to other spoilers, then I can pretty much guarantee your thoughts are wrong.

I don't understand :x

[Sute443]

You claimed that it became clear to you how Kaede would feel. Unless you've been exposed to other spoilers, I think her reaction is actually quite different from what you expect.

[foreverdissevered]

You claimed that it became clear to you how Kaede would feel. Unless you've been exposed to other spoilers, I think her reaction is actually quite different from what you expect.

She went psycho and got mad at Asa etc...

O.. btw, could you tell me what happened to Kaede at the end? I want to know, but I dont want to witness Kaede's remorse and Rin's ignorance.

[Sute443]

Kaede continues in her role of big sister to Primula, shifting her dedication taking care of Primula. She even forgets her own lunch in favor of Primula's, like she did with Rin early on.

During the ending credits, Kaede is also shown growing closer to Sia. There's even an accidental kiss.

[foreverdissevered]

Kaede continues in her role of big sister to Primula, shifting her dedication taking care of Primula. She even forgets her own lunch in favor of Primula's, like she did with Rin early on.

During the ending credits, Kaede is also shown growing closer to Sia. There's even an accidental kiss.

Ah... Truthfully, thats nice to hear.

Admirable of her

Thank you

[Sian]

well ... not all that sure how admirable it is ...

instead of getting on on with her life, she gets a new 'object of dedication'

she really would do good with some mental treatment ... she's clearcut fitting in on a mental ward at least for a certain amount of time till she gets onwards without any need for 'object of dedication's

and ... sia+Kaede is a 'accidential' Fanservice for the shippers missing Yuri :P ... oh ... yeah ... its Kikyou, not Sia

[Inanimated_object]

I just recently download an AMV about Kaede's relationship with Rin and Asa, however something caught my attention as the video was finishing:

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/5421/shufflesnapsy4.th.jpg (http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shufflesnapsy4.jpg)

Im not sure where this came from, maybe the game? Can anyone confirm/refute this?
Many thanks.


At first, I didn't know where to put this, but since it involves Kaede I though it could fit in here.

BTW watch the mentioned AMV, here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxOwkJ0ffhU)

[gigaloki]

I just recently download an AMV about Kaede's relationship with Rin and Asa, however something caught my attention as the video was finishing:

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/5421/shufflesnapsy4.th.jpg (http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shufflesnapsy4.jpg)

Im not sure where this came from, maybe the game? Can anyone confirm/refute this?
Many thanks.


At first, I didn't know where to put this, but since it involves Kaede I though it could fit in here.

BTW watch the mentioned AMV, here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxOwkJ0ffhU)

COOL MEN!! xD i'll watch ur AMV :heh:

[Sute443]

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/5421/shufflesnapsy4.th.jpg (http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shufflesnapsy4.jpg)

Im not sure where this came from, maybe the game? Can anyone confirm/refute this?
Many thanks.


It looks a lot like the CG that goes with Kaede's epilogue in the original version of the game, but has a few difference. Based on the width and angle of the image, I'd guess that it's an altered version from On the Stage.

[LovePhoenix]

@Sute443: Man, I just watched that AMV and it kind of freaked me out. The song was kind of scary. O_O

But anyway, I see your point about the last scene. Hmm, I remember this scene from SHUFFLE! the game at Kaede's ending but this one looks like from the anime. Maybe someone edited it?

[Furudanuki]

I just recently download an AMV about Kaede's relationship with Rin and Asa, however something caught my attention as the video was finishing:

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/5421/shufflesnapsy4.th.jpg (http://img65.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shufflesnapsy4.jpg)

Im not sure where this came from, maybe the game? Can anyone confirm/refute this?
Many thanks.

That screencap is from Shuffle! - Memories episodes 2 or 7 (the two episodes featuring Kaede). The scene occurs at the very end of the OP right as the music fades out.

[Utau]

damn.. i can't believe i forgot Kaede-sama's b-day :eek:

kudos for bringing up her thread.



1000000 deaths is not enough.. well technically, no one remembered even the former KKK's so.. :heh:

[KimmyChan]

I really like Kaede! She's my favourite female character in Shuffle! for sure! :)

[Jujubee]

Hello everyone, I'm new here and wanted have my express my thoughts on Kaede. After pulling an all nighter watching Shuffle to the last episode I need to get this off my chest. Firstly I haven't fully read this thread but it seems others feel the same way. In my honest opinion, what they did to her in the anime was very cruel and unfair. Rin is a complete and utter fool and I take no pitty on him for obliterating Kaede's heart and spirit the way he did. Asa wasn't a bad choice, it was always between her and Kaede for me if I had to chose one. But after revealing the deep history between Rin and Kaede, she became my instant girl of choice. In the game you can pick whichever girl you want right? So why would go and make Asa the official canon? I'm just curious because Kaede literally seemed impossible to refuse. How can you abandon someone who loved you, fed and took care of you, lived with you and above all made you their reason for living? That's so not right I have trouble believing it. Anyway its really late, I'm tired and can't put all my thoughts into words but the bottom line is the anime had a sad ending and I didn't like it. If you chose Kaede in the game [which I intend to] does Asa die? That's the only way I could accept picking her over Kaede.

[Sian]

How can you abandon someone who loved you, fed and took care of you, lived with you and above all made you their reason for living?

to go on with it, hated you, psycologically tortured you, tried to kill you repeatedly ...

[Jujubee]

The words "there's a thin line between love and hate" speak very loudly in Kaede's case. What she did in the past was understandable, I mean she thought he indirectly killed her mother, I'd hate him too. Then when she found out the truth all that she had said and done backfired causing her to feel overwhelming sorrow and regret. Over time that sorrow and regret turned into love and obsession. So if I were Rin I'd stay with her not just out of love, forgiveness and appreciation for all she's done, but fear too. You know what they say, Hell hath no fury than a woman scorned. Fear isn't a good reason to stay in a relationship but he had plenty of others. It was like a husband ignoring and leaving his wife for another woman. The least he could have done was let her down gently but no he was a blind idiot this time. I say this time because throughout the series he was so good at detecting people's emotions. But somehow he couldn't see the feelings of the one closest to him and that just didn't make sense.

[Gibber]

Wow Jujubee, that's exactly what I was thinking about Kaede, having only finished the series recently too.
When I saw the first episode of Shuffle!, I was pretty much like "oh childhood friend, k he ends up with her" and I was rather shocked. That said, I still enjoyed the ending, there's always the VN, and even though it's the typical childhood friend that goes slightly mad, Kaede is still my most favorite Shuffle! character.

[DJLowrider]

How can you abandon someone who loved you, fed and took care of you, lived with you and above all made you their reason for living? That's so not right I have trouble believing it.

I guess according to you, then, nobody should ever leave their parents' home. After all, parents love, feed, care for and live with you and most certainly make you their reason for living for at least 18 years.

Love is not logical, period. There is no precise process or set of criteria that automatically and without fail lead to a relationship. So saying that Kaede had all these points and qualities that clearly made her the only logical choice to be Rin's girlfriend is irrelevant.

Love (or at least real love IMHO) is unconditional. It comes with no strings attached. Any relationship with Kaede for Rin would have been totally conditional. She wanted him at the center of her perfect little universe and if he so much as breathed without her help it was tragic. The whole concept of co-dependency as the core of a relationship, quite frankly, disgusts me. People in a relationship rely on each other yes, but in a healthy relationship people also still retain a sense of individuality. Kaede had no concept of herself aside from being Rin's doormat. All of this is also not to mention that any relationship with her would have never helped her truly reconcile with her mother's death or with everything she did to Rin as a child. They were merely maintaining the status quo, never going forwards or backwards. That's no kind of life and that's no kind of real love.

Yes, Rin did not handle the situation with her as well as he could have. He openly admits as much to everyone. But at least he had the gumption to do it instead of just falling back to the same crap that had gotten them into that situation in the first place. It would have been even more unconscionable and disappointing had he caved.

Asa never once overtly demanded Rin's attention. She never tried to be anything more to him than a friend. Their romance and love simply sprang from that, and that's as genuine as you can get when it comes to love. Believe me, I speak from personal experience there.

You say it's unthinkable for Rin to "abandon" Kaede? I say it's unthinkable for him not to leave her, and not because of Asa's situation with her health.

[justinstrife]

I guess according to you, then, nobody should ever leave their parents' home. After all, parents love, feed, care for and live with you and most certainly make you their reason for living for at least 18 years.

Love is not logical, period. There is no precise process or set of criteria that automatically and without fail lead to a relationship. So saying that Kaede had all these points and qualities that clearly made her the only logical choice to be Rin's girlfriend is irrelevant.

Love (or at least real love IMHO) is unconditional. It comes with no strings attached. Any relationship with Kaede for Rin would have been totally conditional. She wanted him at the center of her perfect little universe and if he so much as breathed without her help it was tragic. The whole concept of co-dependency as the core of a relationship, quite frankly, disgusts me. People in a relationship rely on each other yes, but in a healthy relationship people also still retain a sense of individuality. Kaede had no concept of herself aside from being Rin's doormat. All of this is also not to mention that any relationship with her would have never helped her truly reconcile with her mother's death or with everything she did to Rin as a child. They were merely maintaining the status quo, never going forwards or backwards. That's no kind of life and that's no kind of real love.

Yes, Rin did not handle the situation with her as well as he could have. He openly admits as much to everyone. But at least he had the gumption to do it instead of just falling back to the same crap that had gotten them into that situation in the first place. It would have been even more unconscionable and disappointing had he caved.

Asa never once overtly demanded Rin's attention. She never tried to be anything more to him than a friend. Their romance and love simply sprang from that, and that's as genuine as you can get when it comes to love. Believe me, I speak from personal experience there.

You say it's unthinkable for Rin to "abandon" Kaede? I say it's unthinkable for him not to leave her, and not because of Asa's situation with her health.
Damn what an excellently worded post. Rep points for you my friend. You said exactly what I was thinking, though I couldn't have said anywhere near as eloquently as you did. Very well done. :cool:

[Altima of the Gates]

Sorry justin, I'm gonna have to burst this guy's bubble here. This may have looked like the perfect solution, but he's definitely conveniently skipped over some glaring problems here.
You say it's unthinkable for Rin to "abandon" Kaede? I say it's unthinkable for him not to leave her, and not because of Asa's situation with her health.

Alright, in your oost you've admitted that Kaede is mentally ill and staying with her will only cause her to grasp tighter around her safety net of the 'status quo.' I think you're absolutely right, but you've conveniently glossed over one important point. You shouldn't leave a person in this mental state by themselves. He is damn lucky that she has presence of mind not to do anything drastic, and there isn't anything he could say afterward that would makes things alright if she did. There are so many ways this could have played out, and their is no excuse for the actions he took without seeking help for her. NONE.

I most certainly wouldn't accept any. If you truly beleive that this person you're living with happens to be mentally ill and you care even a little bit, then its time to get some balls and do something about it. Again, I'll accept that this might not be a worthwhile relationship to pursue at her frame of mind, but I'll be damned if I agree that it wasn't better to talk things over, and get some outside help instead of burying it. But that's the way I am, I'd much rather get this out in the open and let the wound heal naturally, instead of ignoring its still got a jagged piece of glass in it. All this situation showed to me was how incredibly unresourceful and unintelligent Rin was, and how quickly he wished to absolve himself of responsibility. Yeah, you'll bring up their past together, but that situation, and her father shares the blame too, was handled in an incredibly half-assed way. How long do you think keeping this ruse could've gone on for before she did something truly heinous? And it would be on both of their heads as well as hers. It was moronic, and the doctor who suggested such a treatment should have had his medical license revoked. But I'll chalk that up to the writer making her condition totally unrecoverable to that extent bad writing. Its ludicrous.

If he felt that she was an important part of his family, then don't wash your hands of it just because its a hard decision! So yeah, I think its unthinkable to leave her in the that state she's in, and again, he's very lucky that things ended as peacefully as they had. No excuses.

In fact I doubt he ever said these three choice words, "I forgive you."

[DJLowrider]

You shouldn't leave a person in this mental state by themselves.

She wasn't alone, Primula was still there with her. And Nerine and Sia both live right next door to boot.

Plus, it's not like they, I dunno, are in the same class at school or anything like that..

So, yeah. Not alone. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

There are so many ways this could have played out

And yet they didn't. So all your ranting here is pointless as far as I'm concerned. What you're delving into here is pure speculation that belongs in the realm of fanfiction. What I'm talking about is the canon of what actually happened in the series.

[Altima of the Gates]

She wasn't alone, Primula was still there with her. And Nerine and Sia both live right next door to boot.

Plus, it's not like they, I dunno, are in the same class at school or anything like that..

So, yeah. Not alone. Not by any stretch of the imagination.



And yet they didn't. So all your ranting here is pointless as far as I'm concerned. What you're delving into here is pure speculation that belongs in the realm of fanfiction. What I'm talking about is the canon of what actually happened in the series.

Thats great to have moral support, but obviously she needs more than that. Seriously, its troubling to think you would just absolve yourself of all responsibility in this situation and just decide, if she's got friends, she'll be fine soon enough. Quite naive and irresponsible. And excuse me if I make an assumption, but since you seem to have a general disdain for 'doormats" (Heh) then you seem to be more of a person who would leave her high and dry, which as I've said is irresponsible and rather cruel. Sir, I'd say you're lacking in compassion because of personal bias, which I have to say was laughable if yuo said you actually cared about said person.

Also:
So basically its ok to completely disregard my opinion. Sir, I have to say you're pretty narrow minded here. There isn't anything to talk about without speculation, and the story remains static otherwise. I see you smoothly ignored all of what I said just because 'it didn't happen that way.' That's why we have a character discussion, because we are discussing things about the character's circumstances, personality, and their life. If you find that to be pointless, well then, too bad.

[DJLowrider]

I'm sorry if this is somehow touching a raw nerve for you or if you have some kind of personal experience with something similar to this matter. My original post certainly was not intended to be so provocative.

However, I stand by my earlier comments and my original post. Nothing you've said is compelling enough to sway me simply based on the fact that all your scenarios are pure conjecture and did not actually happen in the series. It is patently impossible for any of us to say with any certainty how things might have turned out had the series been at all more realistic in the ways that you describe. Frankly, I think it would be a far less entertaining watch if it were. This is, after all, a harem series based on a fantastical world setting. This is not School Days, thank God.

I'm really not interested in continuing this matter any further. At least not until you're willing to tune down your rhetoric a bit and not resort to making judgments about my personal character based on, of all things, my view of one fictional character in an anime series. You really care way too much about this.

[Omeganian]

BTW, did Primula still live with Kaede after Rin left? Because that's one girl you don't want to live with a mentally unstable woman. She might get upset.

[DJLowrider]

Yup. In the anime Primula is shown continuing to live with Kaede after Rin left the house and she even begins to attend Verbena as well.

[Omeganian]

Yes. And she is shown blasting a room because she lost in a game. Oh, the sacred wisdom of Rin, it is so far beyond my understanding.

[Maiku-kun]

given her past actions towards Rin, its hard to feel bad for Kaede at first, she more than makes up for it by basically becoming his servant though, when things started to go south in kaedes head, Rin should have had the brains to see what was happening and he should have addressed it, instead, being the oblivious guy he sometimes is, he let it spin outta control which led to kaedes complete mental breakdown and complications between her and Asa, Kaede is both a perpetrator and a victim at the same time which is why her story keeps me interested and added to the greatness of this series

[Ricky Controversy]

given her past actions towards Rin, its hard to feel bad for Kaede at first, she more than makes up for it by basically becoming his servant though

This is actually part of the problem, though, isn't it? Certainly, from a 'kind deeds' vs. 'evil deeds' perspective, it seems like her servitude would outweigh her abuses, but that's not what really matters in this situation. Rin was naive--of course, he was a child, that comes with the territory--to come up with the sort of solution he did to Kaede's depression following her mother's death, but his desire was for her to live happily and guilt free. Unfortunately, she made her peace of mind conditional on servitude to Rin when she learned the truth of the situation, because it's far harder to do what was really necessary: forgive herself.

Perhaps her dedication to him makes her more sympathetic, but it doesn't really 'make up for' the difficulties of the past, it just covers them up for her.

[Maiku-kun]

hmm i guess i hadn't thought of it that way, i agree with your views on kaede more than the one i posted, i still dont agree with the way Rin handled Kaede when she broke down, he didnt handle it lol

[Omeganian]

Kaede has such a nice romance storyline in the game... and then this anime came.

[The One and Only One]

I still don't get one thing after reading the entire thread. Why the heck are KKK members mad at Asa and Rin for? I thought that they should be happy that Rin has Asa now as Rin would no longer bug Kaede. From what I see, most are just talking as though they are Kaede herself, not KKK members. Here's a spoiler on what I thought that the KKK should have done

Remember that there was a time (Cant remember which episode,10 I think) when the SSS wanted to kill (or something like that) Rin because everyone thought that Sia and Rin were getting married. But the KKK and RRR helped Rin against the SSS. So I don't really see the difference here, is just that it's different groupies and different girls this time round.

P.S. I LOVE Kaede and I am not from the AAA or KKK. I don't hate Asa enough to join a hate Asa club (KKK) even though I love Kaede :D

[relentlessflame]

I still don't get one thing after reading the entire thread. Why the heck are KKK members mad at Asa and Rin for? I thought that they should be happy that Rin has Asa now as Rin would no longer bug Kaede. From what I see, most are just talking as though they are Kaede herself, not KKK members.Because it became a rivalry, just like two competing sports teams from neighbouring towns. Supporting the one meant that you had to hate the other, even if that's not entirely logical. Plus, unlike the "KKK" members in the anime, most of the real-life fans didn't want to "keep Kaede for themselves", but they wanted her to be happy (and Rin being with Asa made Kaede cry/go crazy). Personally I thought the whole thing (including the way the anime writers messed up the game story) was rather stupid, but that's just me... In the end, it became one of the most defining aspects of the show.

[The One and Only One]

Because it became a rivalry, just like two competing sports teams from neighbouring towns. Supporting the one meant that you had to hate the other, even if that's not entirely logical. Plus, unlike the "KKK" members in the anime, most of the real-life fans didn't want to "keep Kaede for themselves", but they wanted her to be happy (and Rin being with Asa made Kaede cry/go crazy). Personally I thought the whole thing (including the way the anime writers messed up the game story) was rather stupid, but that's just me... In the end, it became one of the most defining aspects of the show.

Ah I see, but condemning Asa and Rin on forums or anywhere else isn't going to change Navel's mindset of changing who Rin wants to end up with. Actually I have the mindset of the anime's KKK, :D Though it's nearly impossible to find someone like Kaede in this world now :(

[Sian]

tried a mental ward?

*grins and flees*

[The One and Only One]

tried a mental ward?

*grins and flees*

hahas wth shes not crazy, go play the games and you'll know :D

[Sian]

i know she was ... 'overdone' in the Anime ... but that doesn't mean that she didn't have certain issues, that had to be handled, in the game (though none of them Yandere)

[Ricky Controversy]

i know she was ... 'overdone' in the Anime ... but that doesn't mean that she didn't have certain issues, that had to be handled, in the game (though none of them Yandere)

But then again, who didn't? That's supposed to be part of the fantasy: these girls have issues and are thus dependent upon the player for happiness.

[The One and Only One]

But then again, who didn't? That's supposed to be part of the fantasy: these girls have issues and are thus dependent upon the player for happiness.

Agreed. If all of them are perfect, why would they need guys?

[Altima of the Gates]

Agreed. If all of them are perfect, why would they need guys?

Well that is true in a sense....

And yeah I did overreact a tad back there(because like DJLowrider said it touched a rather raw nerve that I wouldn't like to go on about), but as I read a bit more into the games its good that someone's got her back (I'm starting to like what I hear about this Sakura girl...odd that I seem to always favor Sakura's lol) and won't abandon her in her time of need.

Like relentlessflame was going on about I could care less if she ends up with Rin, only that her life is fulfilling and not full of self-loathing.