Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha licensed by Geneon

[xris]

It appears that Geneon has registered the following domain name

Nanohadvd.com (Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/515.html))

Since we haven't seen any official announcement, then AnimeSuki will consider the title as unlicensed at this point in time. For now, this thread can be used to discuss aspects of the rumoured license. It is also unclear just how much of the series they might be considering to license, they might see how the sales go with the first series before committing to the second and (forthcoming) third series.

Registrant:
Geneon Entertainment (USA) Inc.
2265 East 220th Street
Long Beach,, CA 90810
US
Domain Name: NANOHADVD.COM
Record created on 12-Jan-2007

[Bloodseeker]

I've said this before on other forums, and I'll probably say it a few more times before the DVDs are released (or possibly before its even licensed, if this turns out to be nothing): I really hope that Nanoha doesn't get the niche anime that the company has no faith in treatment. It really deserves better than a half-assed dub, a cheap flimsy art box, and bare-bone DVDs with only the usual extras (previews and non-subtitled promos) and nothing else.

Granted, I've never seen half-assed work from Genenon (except for Tenchi, but that's pretty old), but I can't help but feel a little pessimistic about it...

[Village Idiot]

Second Hint:

"Summer '83, it wasn't quite summer of '69, but for some, it was still the most memorable summer of their short lives."

The 'latest' license is definitely Higurashi.

Now all that remains is to find out for certain that Nanoha's been licensed or not, though I'd imagine with Geneon registering the domain name that it has been.

Someone better get the mangas over here too.

[relentlessflame]

Do you really think someone would license the manga? I guess it's kind of possible, but it's the sort of thing that can only work because of timing. It's not just some manga you could put on the shelf whenever and have it make sense -- you have to have watched the first and second seasons first, because it's designed to fill story gaps leading to the third season. So I just don't see it as a very likely thing for anyone to license. The only would way would be if Geneon themselves gets it and includes it as a bonus with StrikerS DVD 1 (or A's DVD 3/4), but there isn't much precident for doing something like that. There aren't that many licenses for manga based on anime.

[Shadow Angel]

I'd totally enjoy it if Nanoha was dubbed been really hoping that it might happen some day.

[Aisa]

Hmm... Geneon is a really good company, so I'm excited to see what they'll do with the Nanoha series X3 though I'm finding it hard to imagine a good voice on Nanoha or Fate... I don't think anything can be as good as their original VAs.

[panzerfan]

Well, Nanoha's already licensed in places such as Singapore and Taiwan, so it's about time that N.America catches up with it.

[Dragnfly@Gamefaqs]

Hmm... Geneon is a really good company, so I'm excited to see what they'll do with the Nanoha series X3 though I'm finding it hard to imagine a good voice on Nanoha or Fate... I don't think anything can be as good as their original VAs.

I figure if they get their VA's to sound like kids like in GSG, for example, they'll do fine. If they get it into their heads that they need unnaturally high-pitched screechy voices, it'll go right to hell.

All in all I'd have faith in the dub. Nanoha would be a 100% or a 0% in the west. And a lot of things could make or break it, like how many episodes go on the first disc. If the first disc only has 3 eps, they've just killed the series right there.

[LoweGear]

Dun worry... Courage can turn 0% into 100%!!!! :D

As long as the dub remains tolerable, I'd like to see it. Although the novelty of the Devices speaking english will be lost in any english dub. Which raises the question: Would they keep the VA's for the Devices intact, or will they totally re-dub them (Or even better, re-do the dubs with the original VA)?

[Deathkillz]

^ haha i will be funny if they decide to make the devices more talkative XD but i think there will be a high chance the engrish being removed by perfectionists (but no matter what everone else says i like the original engrish :))

i wonder if fate will get a sexy voice :rolleyes:

[Shadow Angel]

Hopefully she will, though I wonder who would be a good voice for her?

[Dragnfly@Gamefaqs]

Since they have access to the original tracks of the devices just like everyone else, I think they'd do well to save the money and cancel risks of bad dubbing by just leaving the original voices in. There wasn't that much engris, really. It's mostly all single names of spells.

[dkellis]

Personally I'm wondering if there'll be some editing done to remove the Japanese subtitles during the times of Engrish.

Unless the R2 DVDs already removed them, in which case, never mind.

I'd prefer some of the more awkward Engrish corrected, myself. Raging Heart is the prime offender, but Bardiche had his moments as well.

Not like I'd watch the dub, though. Yukari Tamura probably can't be imitated in English.

[Bloodseeker]

Dubs don't need to and shouldn't try to imitate the original voice over. They should find the VA that sounds the most natural voicing the character, and then the VA should act out the character to the best of their ability, not giving any thought to trying to sound the same as their Japanese counterpart. That goes double for high-pitched female characters.

Since they have access to the original tracks of the devices just like everyone else, I think they'd do well to save the money and cancel risks of bad dubbing by just leaving the original voices in.

Raging Heart: "I can be shot!"

Viewer: "WTF?"

The other devices are fine, but Raging Heart needs a new voice over.

[Deathkillz]

Raging Heart: "I can be shot!"

Viewer: "WTF?"

and given what most westerners think about the lolicon issue in this series already that "WTF" will be quite a big one :heh:

[Bloodseeker]

They won't be thinking about lolita during the fights. I sure as well wasn't, and I'm about as anti-lolita as they come. :D

(well, as anti-lolita as you can get without getting to the point of "I won't watch this series if it tries to appeal to lolicons")

But Raging Heart really needs a new voice over for the dub.

"Call me Excellion Mode!"

[Dragnfly@Gamefaqs]

Darnit! If James Earl Jones wasn't already voicing Fate, he'd be perfect for Raging Heart. I doubt they could afford to get him to do double roles though:)

Seriously, though. I agree with Bloodsucker. A good dub is perfectly possible for Nanoha provided they focus on the path to making it good. Only bad VA's try to mimic the japanese ones. And I don't mean bad as in unskilled, I mean bad as in unintelligent:)

[Bloodseeker]

You're like the third person on this site to call me that! Its BLOODSEEKER, dammit! Two Es, no Us, no Cs!

On topic: Indeed.

[SpaceDrake]

The original Nanoha is going to be a bit of a tough sell, given the somewhat dull, loli-like nature of the first five or six episodes. The only thing I could really see working is a three-disc set, with 1-4, 5-8 and 9-13. If this series is sold in segments of 3, the curious will be turned off by disc 1, most likely.

I almost wonder if A's might get released first. It's far easier to sell in terms of what the Nanoha franchise is actually about; Geneon could then go back and release season 1 as an "Origin" thing.

[Aisa]

The original devices voices were great! I really hope they don't change it. The English was also fluent and completely understandable. Well at least to me X3

[relentlessflame]

Incidentally, they should even be able to re-cast all the original device voice actors if they can get them, because the Engrish is just the way the lines were written. For example, the VA for Raising Heart was also the Narrator voice in the English dub of Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, which was in perfect English and even had a slight Irish accent (very nice voice, IMO). So it's not like the VAs were incompetent, they just read the lines they were given. It's mostly a case of bad writing and bad voice direction, which makes sense since all the writers and producers were Japanese. I think it'd be sort of cool if they got the original voices back to re-do the Engrishy lines, but we'll see. Probably too much work. :p

[StanAce]

strange how the VAs had no input to fix up the bad english though...

[Deathkillz]

strange how the VAs had no input to fix up the bad english though...
as relentlessflame said the VAs just reads from the script that they are given so its not like they dont want to but rather they cant ~ then again i like they engrish as it reflects how i imagine machines with semi intelligence would talk :)

[Dragnfly@Gamefaqs]

You're like the third person on this site to call me that! Its BLOODSEEKER, dammit! Two Es, no Us, no Cs!

On topic: Indeed.

Sorry, man. Really, I should just copy/paste people's names online. Too many people with names far too similar for me to not reisk mixing it up.


VA's - In Japan, it's considered immensely rude to correct a superior. In fact, their status automatically makes them correct, regardless of what the truth may be. If a high-ranking businessman tells the world's top Guilty Gear champion that Dizzy is the crazy guy who manifests spirits, then he has to smile, agree, and suck it up. And the fact that the VA's here are white makes it all the deeper of a problem.

I don't know how expensive they'd be to hire from overseas but if they could get good recordings of the lines read without the engrish, I'd prefer that. But if they can't, I'd prefer they use the existing engrish than try to get more VA's. The lower the savable voicing costs, the higher the chance that we'll see a good production in all other areas.

[SpaceDrake]

Dragnfly, remember that the VA's for Raging Heart and Bardiche do seem to be from the West. Their names suggest that, at the very least. Sort of even money on whether or not the lines are cleaned up though...

[BatAttack]

They may be westerners, but that their voices were used in Nanoha, a Japanese production, makes it highly likely that they live in Japan.

But then again, maybe they have moved, or do work remotely. Who knows.

[Dragnfly@Gamefaqs]

I'm pretty sure Donna Burke, although Australian (I think) has nlived in Japan for a number of years.

Even if working online, it'd still be a world of problems if she'd have tried to correct their engrish. It's not about working in Japan. It's about working on a japanese production.

[Shadow Angel]

Guess this means it's not getting licensed?

[LoweGear]

Where'd you get that idea? O_o

[Village Idiot]

Guess this means it's not getting licensed?

All it means is that Higurashi's the 'latest' license that Geneon acquired.

Its almost certain that they have the license for Nanoha as well, since I don't think they've ever registered domains just to fool people with their licenses before.

Now its just the waiting game for the license announcement, which I'm guessing will be announced at that Nanoha Party thing April 1st.

[Shadow Angel]

Hope something is a brought up there.

[xris]

Guess this means it's not getting licensed?
I suggest you read the first post of this thread a bit more carefully :)

So far, every domain Geneon has registered has resulted in a license, but until they make an official statement we have to assume it's just rumour. Just because When They Cry - Higurashi has been announced doesn't mean anything for the others (Nanoha, Maria-sama ga Miteru, Saiunkoku Monogatari).

[Bloodseeker]

I hope that they take "Magical Girl Lyrical" out of the title and just leave it at "Nanoha" for the R1 release. Whenever I try to recommend MGLN to someone that's looking for a good action anime, I always get a "WTF, the magical girl genre is still alive? DO NOT WANT!" reaction until I show them an AMV or badass Fate wallpaper or something. The phrase "magical girl" seems to drive a lot of people away...

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

I hope that they take "Magical Girl Lyrical" out of the title and just leave it at "Nanoha" for the R1 release. Whenever I try to recommend MGLN to someone that's looking for a good action anime, I always get a "WTF, the magical girl genre is still alive? DO NOT WANT!" reaction until I show them an AMV or badass Fate wallpaper or something. The phrase "magical girl" seems to drive a lot of people away...

that does make sense
people trying to look for a good anime to watch will probably turn away from the phrase "magical girl" in the anime
but at the same time
changing the title to just "Nanoha" wont really make sense
especially to the fans that already know about magical girl lyrical nanoha

[Bloodseeker]

that does make sense
people trying to look for a good anime to watch will probably turn away from the phrase "magical girl" in the anime
but at the same time
changing the title to just "Nanoha" wont really make sense
especially to the fans that already know about magical girl lyrical nanoha

So basically what you're saying is that keeping things the same is more important than not driving away people that have come to associate the phrase "magical girl" with cheesy romance shows with mediocre plots and fight scenes?

[Cloudy]

Finally geneon had the initiative to license animes that already ended long ago and already have a huge fanbase.

[Dragnfly@Gamefaqs]

I'm gonna have to agree with Bloodsu..SEEKER on this one. If they leave it MSLN it'll greatly reduce interrest. I think just "Nanoha" is a good name for it. Maybe Lyrical Nanoha, but I think even that doesn't have the same impact. Tho calling it "The Nanoha" is kind of badass, it just doesn't sound good.

My DVDs (which I made myself for my own use but haven't burnt to disc yet) are titled:
Lyrical Magical
The Other Magician
Shoot First, Ask Questions Later
Black and White
Friendship

I used the full anime's name of Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha but in retrospect, I wish I'd just used "Nanoha". It just works much better and it's far easier to get people to agree to watch it.

[Bloodseeker]

You got it right this time. :D

I never thought that giving it titles other than listing the show's name and the volume was all that important... though if I were to name them:

1. Raging Heart
2. Rival
3. Allies
4. Redemption

And they need to release it with four episodes on the first dvd (its gonna suck if they stop at three, seeing as how the first three episodes were typical magical girl crap... I've ran into a few people that gave it a chance and were turned away by the first three episodes being exactly what the show title suggested they are) and three on the rest, IMO.

[dkellis]

Yeah, personally the first time I encountered "well, I've never heard of Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha, but it's a magical girl show, so it has to be bad", I just sat there stunned for several minutes, as my worldview got a severe realignment. I've only talked about the show to people who've already seen it for so long that I didn't even consider how the title must sound to those who've never seen it and don't like the standard stereotypical plots in magical girl shows.

Personally, based on gut instinct and feelings, I would prefer that they leave it as "Magical Girl (or Mahou Shoujo) Lyrical Nanoha", if only because the full name (in Japanese) is on all the logos and eyecatches. It's a bit like calling CCS "Sakura", instead of the full "Card Captor Sakura". It just doesn't feel right.

However, I have to concede that the arguments for making it sound more, well, manly are very valid.

I wonder if it's possible to show this on American TV. On the one hand, it's the sort that might appeal to the mythical mainstream audience, since it does have lots of action. On the other hand, there's all the Fate abuse by Precia, which may not be suitable. (I keep thinking back to when I found out ROD TV was being aired in the US, and trying to compare the "mature situations" level of that and this.) If nothing else, letting the General Public know that not every show with a magical girl in it follows the standard stereotypes would go a long way, and is a possible argument for keeping the "Magical Girl" in the title.

[Sister Princess]

I wonder if it's possible to show this on American TV. On the one hand, it's the sort that might appeal to the mythical mainstream audience, since it does have lots of action. On the other hand, there's all the Fate abuse by Precia, which may not be suitable. (I keep thinking back to when I found out ROD TV was being aired in the US, and trying to compare the "mature situations" level of that and this.) If nothing else, letting the General Public know that not every show with a magical girl in it follows the standard stereotypes would go a long way, and is a possible argument for keeping the "Magical Girl" in the title.

NO!NO!NO! :twitch:

[Bloodseeker]

I wonder if it's possible to show this on American TV. On the one hand, it's the sort that might appeal to the mythical mainstream audience, since it does have lots of action. On the other hand, there's all the Fate abuse by Precia, which may not be suitable. (I keep thinking back to when I found out ROD TV was being aired in the US, and trying to compare the "mature situations" level of that and this.)

CN has shown little kids getting beaten to a bloody pulp before. Its not like Fate gets raped or anything.

If nothing else, letting the General Public know that not every show with a magical girl in it follows the standard stereotypes would go a long way, and is a possible argument for keeping the "Magical Girl" in the title.

That's not going to help draw people in... and really, MGLN isn't exactly what you'd call your standard magical girl show. (romance is nothing more than a minor subplot, big emphasis on great fights) I never thought that the title fit it all that well in the first place.

[dkellis]

I'm not sure myself why I'm resisting the very idea of changing the title to something more "action-packed". It's certainly not something that I can explain logically, since about all I can come up with is "it sounds wrong to make it less Magical Girl".

It might be because of the whole ingrained appreciation of the absurd, or something. Here we have a rather sugary title, "Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha", and the series itself turns out to be all, um, explosive. The incongruity between the title and the content just seems to oddly fit, or at least is quite agreeable. And yet, that doesn't really seem to be quite enough for me to feel this way.

As mentioned, I don't know myself why I'm against a renaming, except that it makes me incredibly uneasy and uncomfortable. Even more so when Utawarerumono got changed (temporarily) to Shadow Warrior Chronicles or something. It's just that much of a bad feeling in my gut.

[Bloodseeker]

Its just what you're used to... Breaking away from the "familiar = best" mentality is important if you're going to enjoy dubs. (no offense meant)

Shadow Warrior Chronicles is a terrible name though. (granted, I haven't seen Utawarerumono yet) Reminds me of those old mid-90s dubs.

[Village Idiot]

Personally, I ignored Nanoha all the way up till the end of A's due to the title name.

Thought it was just another magical girl series, and didn't bother watching it.

It wasn't until I was on Gamefaqs' forum in the anime section where everyone kept talking about the series over and over again for the past year, usually with posters saying how awesome someone called 'Fate' was, so I decided to give the series a try.

First three episodes wasn't too bad, but didn't really draw my interest.

And then Fate came along, and wow, I ended up d/ling watching all of Nanoha/A's over the course of two days, and when the figurines was for sale, picked them up on the spot.

So ya, the title 'Magical Girl' can be a huge miss.

I still can't believe that I ignored such a good series for a full two years.

But ya, Geneon really needs to put 4 episodes on the first DVD, the series starts out way too slowly until then.

[Bloodseeker]

Ugh... don't remind me of GFAQs OT in mid-2006. The posters there made me want to watch it even less. Between their comments, the character designs (I think that I'd only seen Nanoha and a few ecchi Fate fanarts/figurines at the time), and the show title, I thought that it was some typical magical girl show aimed purely at magical girl fans and lolicons. It wasn't until I saw people raving about the fights on these boards (I think that it was these boards...) that I checked it out.

Wolf girl's character design helped too. :D

[relentlessflame]

But ya, Geneon really needs to put 4 episodes on the first DVD, the series starts out way too slowly until then.I think it's pretty likely that they would. I imagine it'd probably be released something like 4-3-3-3 (eps./disc). The other thing they could do (if they plan to release both seasons one after the other) would be to release the first season as 5-4-4, to get the interest up, and then the second as 4-3-3-3 for 7 discs in all (that's sort of similar to what happened in Japan, except it was 11 discs in all). All in all, though, I can't see why the first disc wouldn't have 4 episodes on it.

[Dragnfly@Gamefaqs]

Despite my username I'm not really on Gamefaqs anymore (I use this name so old friends can find me, which has worked suprisingly often) but I do know there was a large pro-Nanoha campeign over there.

Actually, if they gave it some sort of collector's edition I'd buy more than one copy likely. I'm a sucker for any sort of pack-in.

[Bloodseeker]

If you could call group fapping over a couple of lolis a pro-Nanoha campaign...

[Dragnfly@Gamefaqs]

*shrugs*
What I heard was more like the Nanoha image thread here.

...

Take that as you will. LOL

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

So basically what you're saying is that keeping things the same is more important than not driving away people that have come to associate the phrase "magical girl" with cheesy romance shows with mediocre plots and fight scenes?

i guess i see your point in renaming the series to just "Nanoha"

i guess it makes sense
most people will think that the "magical girl" will not be interesting and thus will avoid the anime show....
i just hope it really is licensed
the first season of Nanoha was great!!

[dkellis]

Its just what you're used to... Breaking away from the "familiar = best" mentality is important if you're going to enjoy dubs. (no offense meant)

Oddly enough, I have absolutely no problems with dubs, and as long as it doesn't sound like the voice actors are forcing it (which happens in so very, very many cases), I do watch some.

Nanoha is a special case, because I love listening to Yukari Tamura. But if Yukari Tamura wasn't voicing Nanoha, I may well listen to the dub, mostly for the probability of correcting the Devices' Engrish.

In another attempt at rationalizing this irrational feeling, maybe it's a sort of example of ugly elitism in myself. Changing the name may be "pandering" to those already biased against magical girl shows, or something like that, and it rubs me the wrong way. Let those who are more open-minded buy it! Let those who are close-minded ignore it! It is all as it should be!

Or something. As mentioned, I'm trying (believe me I'm trying) to convince myself that changing the name to just "Nanoha" won't be a bad thing, but it's a long, hard road.

[Dragnfly@Gamefaqs]

I see it that the most important thing is sales. Because then it does well and more gets liscensed, and more people see Nanoha.

[dkellis]

I wonder what the average DVD-buyer's reaction would be, upon seeing a DVD cover with something all dark and broody and pretty much Dark Nanoha (maybe based on the later episodes of the first season), but still with the title "Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha".

[sapphire]

re:the possibility of renaming.

For me it is the other way around to most people. I downloaded the first episodes thinking it would be a magical girl series (because I am a major mahou shoujo fan) and I was disappointed to find that it really wasn't a magical girl show at all. I lost interest in it pretty quickly. It may be fashionable to sneer at mahou shoujo but I love it and I really don't understand why so many people casually dismiss it as a kneejerk response. ( yes mahou shoujo is often formulaic but not always, it's not all bad.)

So it works both ways y'all. The title is misleading to Magical Girl haters and fans alike!

[Klashikari]

heh? in which traits you consider Nanoha not being "magical girl" type anime?
the fact the "magic parts" is instead some technolgy thing doesn't really change its genre, right?

the themes aren't really conventionnal, but the usual plot structure is really classic, along with the casting and traits.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

so nothing has been confirmed yet if Nanoha is really licensed by Geneon??
i guess the title "Nanoha" would suit nicely for the DVD release since most people would tend to stay away from "MAGICAL GIRL" animes
i really do hope if Nanoha does get licensed or is already licensed
that it will do very well with its release in the US

[Dragnfly@Gamefaqs]

Here's a question. If you heard Nanoha wasn't being liscensed in your region but WAS in another english-speaking region, would you import that version?

I would. I think a British or Australian dub would be classy:) Tho importing costs would be evil. Of course I'd prefer a Canadian or American version but I'll take what I can get. Two of my players are region free.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

Here's a question. If you heard Nanoha wasn't being liscensed in your region but WAS in another english-speaking region, would you import that version?

I would. I think a British or Australian dub would be classy:) Tho importing costs would be evil. Of course I'd prefer a Canadian or American version but I'll take what I can get. Two of my players are region free.

maybe i would try buying it....it would sound very classy hearing Fate and Nanoha's voices with a brittish accent...but it would even more better if Nanoha was considered licensed in the US!:)

[Dragnfly@Gamefaqs]

Not "Considered Liscensed", friend. Then nobody wins. If it's only "considered Liscensed" it gets pulled from common fansub lists so lazy people (or people with morals ^.^) can't see it, yet it doesn't really mean that it will be released.

We need it to be liscensed:)

[NoSanninWa]

Indeed. A show is either licensed, or we're just talkin' 'bout it. Either those DVDs are coming out or we're just wishin' for them. That's why we need Geneon to confirm. Gosh forbid we pull the fansubs and don't get any DVDs to replace them.

"Considered licensed" is like "a little bit pregnant." Lots of worried parents, but no babies.

[dkellis]

Here's a question. If you heard Nanoha wasn't being liscensed in your region but WAS in another english-speaking region, would you import that version?

Considering the only things capable of playing back DVDs I have are Region 1, I wouldn't.

Region encoding is far, far more irritating to the consumer than it should be.

[Vexx]

Okay.. thats it (goes off to look for region crack for the DVD player in his den). Next player I buy WILL be region-free, after all if its a global economy for the corporations - its a global economy for me too, dammit.
edit: and... it turns out my player can only be modded by a rechip or with a service unit it seems (bastards). Ah well, so much for their products.

[Ratler]

Here's a question. If you heard Nanoha wasn't being liscensed in your region but WAS in another english-speaking region, would you import that version?

Lets see here... YES!! Runs off to buy a region free DVD player.
I Love this series. At first i was thrown off by the title but that didn't last long.

[Furyou Miko]

Something I've been considering... since part of the 'coolness' of the Devices is the speaking in foreign languages, maybe they'll do a full switch.

You know... everyone else speaks English, so RH / B speak Japanese. (Or for a German dub, the Tome devices speak Japanese, or maybe Swedish).

Heh, here's an idea. Why not call the dub "White Devil"? That's a great idea! (cough. Sarcasm.)

[LoweGear]

Actually, they'll call it Demon Cannon Girl Lyrical Nanoha :D

[Furyou Miko]

Didn't we already have that joke somewhere?

[Chaos2Frozen]

From the quote thread.

Ma Hou.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

any news on Nanoha being licensed yet??
or was it just a rumor after all....:(

[Kensuke]

any news on Nanoha being licensed yet??
or was it just a rumor after all....:(
Like said in first post, Geneon has registered nanohadvd.com, but this does not mean that Nanoha will be licensed. There is just a possibility.
It depends on good folks at Geneon. ;)

[Conan-san]

I meen, similarly, I believe Funimation had the rights to Onepiece.com (or simmilar) and then 4kids beat them to the punch.

On the renaming, "Lyrical Nanoha" works fine. As long as they don't go the Tokyopop route of naming it something completely illrelevent (COUGHchibivampireCOUGH) It's fair game.

Maybe even have a reverse cover so the selling side is "Lyrical Nanoha" and the revese side is "Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha".

[Klashikari]

Well... to be honest, i was always wondering "why the "lyrical" in the title?". weirdly enough, i think "magical girl" made more sense than lyrical, for the nanoha series :heh:


maybe i didn't really get the true meaning of that word for the title, but still ~~

[dkellis]

Maybe even have a reverse cover so the selling side is "Lyrical Nanoha" and the revese side is "Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha".

That would certainly satisfy people like myself. I'll just pretend that the non-"Magical Girl" title doesn't exist.

[Bloodseeker]

Considering the only things capable of playing back DVDs I have are Region 1, I wouldn't.

Region encoding is far, far more irritating to the consumer than it should be.

Well, it is there to stop you from playing DVDs/videogames/etc. from other regions. Just look into "methods" of bypassing that encoding. I haven't had need to bother yet (not a big importer... though I am considering importing the Tsukihime and Higurashi no Naku Koro ni games, and the Fate/Stay Night game once mirrormoon finishes the English translation patch), but I know that they're out there.

[Rava]

Well... to be honest, i was always wondering "why the "lyrical" in the title?". weirdly enough, i think "magical girl" made more sense than lyrical, for the nanoha series :heh:


maybe i didn't really get the true meaning of that word for the title, but still ~~

That was probably because of the "incantation" Nanoha used to seal Jewel Seeds in the first set of 13 episodes.

[Eclipze]

That was probably because of the "incantation" Nanoha used to seal Jewel Seeds in the first set of 13 episodes.
As far as I can tell, its the incantation for Nanoha to activate Raising Heart and maybe some of the spells.

In season 1, Yuuno did ask Nanoha to "look into your heart" or something like that to find her own incantation. Lyrical was just that.

[LoweGear]

Well... to be honest, i was always wondering "why the "lyrical" in the title?". weirdly enough, i think "magical girl" made more sense than lyrical, for the nanoha series :heh:


maybe i didn't really get the true meaning of that word for the title, but still ~~

Here's the dictionary meanings of Lyrical:

1. (of poetry) having the form and musical quality of a song, and esp. the character of a songlike outpouring of the poet's own thoughts and feelings, as distinguished from epic and dramatic poetry.
2. pertaining to or writing lyric poetry: a lyric poet.
3. characterized by or expressing spontaneous, direct feeling: a lyric song; lyric writing.
4. pertaining to, rendered by, or employing singing.
5. (of a voice) relatively light of volume and modest in range: a lyric soprano.
6. pertaining, adapted, or sung to the lyre, or composing poems to be sung to the lyre: ancient Greek lyric odes.

Notice the third meaning? It easily pertains to Nanoha's theme of expression of feelings and understanding in the first and second seasons.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

oh wells i guess its up to Geneon to announce if they really did license Nanoha

[Chi-no]

oh wells i guess its up to Geneon to announce if they really did license Nanoha

True.... Will have to wait to see and hear that news... :)

[Shadow Angel]

Hopefully it happens soon since I'm not one for long waits.

[Vikitehwaffu]

Well... to be honest, i was always wondering "why the "lyrical" in the title?". weirdly enough, i think "magical girl" made more sense than lyrical, for the nanoha series :heh:


maybe i didn't really get the true meaning of that word for the title, but still ~~

"Lyrical" was a nod to the old Triangle Hearts fandisc, Triangle Heart ~Lyrical Toy Box.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_RBghAfiW8

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

"Lyrical" was a nod to the old Triangle Hearts fandisc, Triangle Heart ~Lyrical Toy Box.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_RBghAfiW8

woah, there was alot of changes made before it finally became "mahou shoujo lyrical nanoha"....
Lindy as a fairy and Fate as Arf's baby fox form...hahahah pretty weird...
plus raging heart's magical staff...it looked so weak compared to the current raging heart....and Nanoha vs. Chrono!!??:heh:

[mdauben]

plus raging heart's magical staff...it looked so weak compared to the current raging heart....
Yeah, it looks more like a lolipop in that teaser than a weapon that could level entire cities. :heh:

[Bloodseeker]

Seems that Geneon is announcing some releases at Anime Boston... I wonder if they'll announce Nanoha tomorrow?

[Shadow Angel]

I truly hope that they do.

[Woden]

Wouldn't that cause people to stop subbing StrikerS?

[Bloodseeker]

Probably not... I doubt that they'd license all three seasons at once, and subbers would probably be less cautious since the different seasons have different names. (kinda like Gundam Seed Destiny, FMP TSR, Sailor Stars, etc.)

[Duo Maxwell]

It really surprise me. I thought they all have some kind of grudge against Loli, aren't they? O_o

Anyway, I really don't want to hear the dub, so I don't really care about the license stuff.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

i guess no news yet huh...:(

[NoSanninWa]

If there was news, it would be marked licensed on AnimeSuki. If there was news someone would be crowing about it here.

Yeah, no news.

[Ottocycle]

The board is set, the pieces are moving.

From Anime News Service:
At TIFFCOM, 2006 a Toei representative told ANS that seperate spaced releases were being planned for their latest magical girl anime franchises Pretty Cure and Maho Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha.

It sure won't air in Canada, though.

[Darco_emp]

Heh, so Toei took Nanoha instead of Geneon.

While they leave me with no particular bad memories, they did not leave any good ones too...

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

sounds like good news!!
maybe more people will get expose to how Nanoha will differ from everyone's usual expectations of a Mahou Shoujo show....

Toei took Nanoha??....what does that mean?
didn't Geneon do the anime for Nanoha??
weird...

[xizro345]

I'd rather wait for official confirmation. ANS isn't exactly reliable.

[Ratler]

I hope they hurry up and confirm something.

[Shadow Angel]

same here I'd really like to see this dubbed one day.

[Shounen]

Ok first of all: I rarely stick my ass into some thread unless i haven't watched the series myself.

Anyways.. After getting disappointed of StrikerS. I caught myself the attention that A's had dutch voice overs right? (the Knights little "toys"...)

I have no idea how US dubbing works with Anime. But would they "re-dub" that to English or leave it out in dutch?

I don't really care much about R1's, unless their really clean.. leaving that aside...

2ndly, a friend of mine posted some screencaps of different series (cant remember there names atm), but he said that the DVD's (R1 yes) had the original Japaneses on the front (romanjinized ofc). But, they were cut of instead they wrote only maybe, like for example with Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha (yes, i don't like typing english translations either) to Nanoha. So the sale figures are needed, that's why the cut off some names, making the title more "interreseting" for kids/teens/adults.

Cuz, just like some posted here before. If I would go into an store and see the words Magical Girl, you bet i would go WTF.

I'd probably use Nanoha on the front cover, and leave the original title/logo that appears on the video material, and using (the subtitle coding found in vob files) posting up the name in English over/under/whatever by the logo/title.

The only downfall for R1's is the heavy interlacing, and poor quality found on the DVD's. Other than that, I bet they would suit anyone who ain't a quality freak like me.

Cheers~

[Tokkan]

Anyways.. After getting disappointed of StrikerS. I caught myself the attention that A's had dutch voice overs right? (the Knights little "toys"...)

I have no idea how US dubbing works with Anime. But would they "re-dub" that to English or leave it out in dutch?

It's not Dutch, it's German.

[Keroko]

Ok first of all: I rarely stick my ass into some thread unless i haven't watched the series myself.

Anyways.. After getting disappointed of StrikerS. I caught myself the attention that A's had dutch voice overs right? (the Knights little "toys"...)

German, the two languages may look alike, but there is a distinct difference, and this is definetely German.

Besides that, it depends on the company in question. Some dub everything, others dub where needed.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

if any licensing company takes Nanoha in, i hope they just leave the device's VA alone and just dub the characters...

[Darco_emp]

if any licensing company takes Nanoha in, i hope they just leave the device's VA alone and just dub the characters...

Heck why release in dub at all :heh: Do what Bandai(It is Bandai right?) does and only release in Jap.

then again I'm one of those who have not touched dubs for over a century...

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

yea its bandai thats releasing Galaxy Angel Rune in Japanese with no dubs, but at a price for 30 bucks i think??!!...i forgot, but yea....well it would be interesting to see how the company would handle the dub for this series...

[Keroko]

yea its bandai thats releasing Galaxy Angel Rune in Japanese with no dubs, but at a price for 30 bucks i think??!!

Welcome to my world. Anime is kinda hard to come by where I live, and if you manage to find it its either A: Imported, and therefore expensive, or B: Simply expensive.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

Welcome to my world. Anime is kinda hard to come by where I live, and if you manage to find it its either A: Imported, and therefore expensive, or B: Simply expensive.

yea imported anime that's not been licensed for any country other than japan is expensive!!

[Keroko]

yea imported anime that's not been licensed for any country other than japan is expensive!!

Importing from America isn't exactly 'cheap' either, you know...

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

Importing from America isn't exactly 'cheap' either, you know...

yea i know, importing anything isn't always cheap, the shipping cost is what gets most people.

[Keroko]

And then there's the bloody region codes! I'm glad I have a region-free DVD player downstairs, and my laptop has been set to region 1.

[Skane]

yea i know, importing anything isn't always cheap, the shipping cost is what gets most people.
And the exchange rate, don't forget the exchange rate. :heh: I import frequently from Japan and the USA, and the exchange rate is MURDER.

Ouch!

[Keroko]

That's why, when I'm going to Canada in a few months, I will be plundering the shops there. I'm already saving up, and once I'm there, I will go in full plunder-mode, simply grabbing everything I can get my hands on. Manga, anime or otherwise.

[Darco_emp]

And the exchange rate, don't forget the exchange rate. :heh: I import frequently from Japan and the USA, and the exchange rate is MURDER.

Ouch!

It was quite good recently with the AUD exchange rate. I enjoyed the 1 AUD to 100 yen rates. Its the shipping fee that kills

Still it is surpising that Nanoha still have not have an offical US license considering it StrikerS is by about 40k post is ranked the top topic on 2ch

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

And the exchange rate, don't forget the exchange rate. :heh: I import frequently from Japan and the USA, and the exchange rate is MURDER.

Ouch!

woah there's exchange rate also??!!
man thats murder to anyone's wallet, let alone trying to import something including the base price, shpping, and exchange rate...ouch!

[Meophist]

That's why, when I'm going to Canada in a few months, I will be plundering the shops there. I'm already saving up, and once I'm there, I will go in full plunder-mode, simply grabbing everything I can get my hands on. Manga, anime or otherwise.
Err... watch out for bootlegs while you're there. Somethings that seem like a bargain actually aren't.

[Keroko]

Bootlegs? I'm not familiar with that term... what are bootlegs?

[Meophist]

Bootlegs? I'm not familiar with that term... what are bootlegs?
In terms of anime, it's basically illegally made DVDs. Often, you'll find some DVDs for sale where its contents is basically just fansubs. If you find 5-6+ episodes on a single DVD, chances are it's a bootleg. Often a deal that seems too good to be true often is.

It's fairly common in Toronto where I live.

[Skane]

Bootlegs? I'm not familiar with that term... what are bootlegs?
Pirated merchandise. Copies. Fake goods. Etc...

Cheers.

[Keroko]

Hmmm, I'll keep that in mind, thank you.

[Meophist]

Hmmm, I'll keep that in mind, thank you.
I'm rather surprised that you're unaware of them. As an anime fan, it's important to know about these things, as buying them doesn't support the anime industry, nor do we actually get any more quality than what we would've gotten by just downloading. It's really lose-lose for those in the know.

Not to mention they're so common that many people I know have many bootleg DVDs without realizing.

[Keroko]

I'm rather surprised that you're unaware of them. As an anime fan, it's important to know about these things, as buying them doesn't support the anime industry, nor do we actually get any more quality than what we would've gotten by just downloading. It's really lose-lose for those in the know.

Not to mention they're so common that many people I know have many bootleg DVDs without realizing.

Well, as I said, Anime is hard to come by where I live. The only stores that actually sell them are the heavy duty import stores (the ones filled with figurines, collectors items etc.) So my contact with that sort of stuff is limited to say the least.

[Meophist]

Well, as I said, Anime is hard to come by where I live. The only stores that actually sell them are the heavy duty import stores (the ones filled with figurines, collectors items etc.) So my contact with that sort of stuff is limited to say the least.
Ahh… well can I ask where you live? And where in Canada you plan on going?

[xizro345]

I know it's quite uncommon as opinion but, given the records of US releases for quality (not referring to adaptation or translation, just on how DVDs are done), I'll probably stick with R2 JP DVDs (which I'm ordering as soon as a firm release date is set). Most R1 anime DVDs (save "famous series", and I don't expect Nanoha to be one) are - in my opinion - no more than a "VHS copy", meaning they offer too low for their price (even the - again save for very popular titles - so-called "limited editions"). Maybe I'm spoiled a bit, but the EU R2 Italian anime DVDs, while scarce, offer much more than the typical R1 release.

[Keroko]

Ahh… well can I ask where you live? And where in Canada you plan on going?

I live in Europe, Netherlands to be precise. Our anime market is quite tame, unless you know where to look.

As for Canada we intend to go to Niagra Falls.

[Meophist]

Niagra, huh? Been there before, pretty nice. Heard the Canadian side is better, but I haven't seen the American side to compare.

In any case, I don't know too much about the anime market there. The big stores here in Toronto(Best Buy, Future Shop, etc.) doesn't have too bad of a selection, and you're pretty much guarenteed no bootlegs, but specialty stores' selection is much better. However, they can be pretty hard to find. I don't know how prices compare, but they're not exactly cheap here.

[relentlessflame]

I know it's quite uncommon as opinion but, given the records of US releases for quality (not referring to adaptation or translation, just on how DVDs are done), I'll probably stick with R2 JP DVDs (which I'm ordering as soon as a firm release date is set). Most R1 anime DVDs (save "famous series", and I don't expect Nanoha to be one) are - in my opinion - no more than a "VHS copy", meaning they offer too low for their price (even the - again save for very popular titles - so-called "limited editions"). Maybe I'm spoiled a bit, but the EU R2 Italian anime DVDs, while scarce, offer much more than the typical R1 release.Well, not to take this further off-topic, but as someone who buys plenty of both (R1 and JP R2), I'd pretty much have to disagree there. The quality of R2 JP DVDs are nice, but at two-to-four-times the price for a series, you'd hope it'd be. Even the R1 DVDs I have for "non-famous series" typically have a pretty good array of extras and nice packaging, often pretty close to what's available on the R2s. So I'm not sure which R1 and JP R2 series you've tried, but my overall experience is a bit different, I guess. It also depends on what company you're talking about in both cases.

Anyway, for this show, though, I've already been collecting the R2s since I wasn't sure if this show would ever get licensed. And, incidentally, the DVDs for StrikerS already have firm release dates (the first 8 are already up for pre-order on Amazon (http://www.amazon.co.jp/s/ref=sr_nr_i_0/249-7141869-8365933?ie=UTF8&rs=&keywords=%E9%AD%94%E6%B3%95%E5%B0%91%E5%A5%B3%E3%8 3%AA%E3%83%AA%E3%82%AB%E3%83%AB%E3%81%AA%E3%81%AE% E3%81%AFStrikerS&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3A%E9%AD%94%E6%B3%95%E5%B0%91%E5%A5 %B3%E3%83%AA%E3%83%AA%E3%82%AB%E3%83%AB%E3%81%AA%E 3%81%AE%E3%81%AFStrikerS%2Ci%3Advd)).

Also, the company you all were thinking of earlier (releasing Galaxy Angel Rune) is Bandai Visual, not Bandai. They're actually two completely different groups in the U.S., strangely enough. The regular Bandai normally does dubs, and are typically cheaper.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

The board is set, the pieces are moving.

From Anime News Service:
At TIFFCOM, 2006 a Toei representative told ANS that seperate spaced releases were being planned for their latest magical girl anime franchises Pretty Cure and Maho Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha.

It sure won't air in Canada, though.

this could be true, as there is an article stating that Toei is trying to establish an In-house licensing company in the US.

http://news.awn.com/index.php?ltype=top&newsitem_no=19787

[Shounen]

Bootlegs? I'm not familiar with that term... what are bootlegs?


This is an bootleg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8175/6a9f2574f43db45ae8c9d28xd6.th.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=6a9f2574f43db45ae8c9d28xd6.jpg)

And once again, I apologize for mixing up Dutch with German. Cuz I don't say Germany, I say Deutschland... YGRSFS...

I also have a question for those living in the US or Canada..

Doesn't you guys import R2's? I mean.. why import from another country, when you have stores that takes care of that?

[relentlessflame]

As per AnimeOnDVD (http://www.animeondvd.com/) and ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/), Geneon's finally announced the license for the first two seasons of Nanoha. StrikerS isn't licensed yet, though, before people ask.

[Keroko]

Finally! About time they brought these jewels to the bigger audience!

Now for ETA's.

[darkchibi07]

Let's all pray this doesn't get an Odex dub! :upset:

[Mirificus]

That's great news. It had looked like Geneon had just acquired the website for that "guess what we licensed" contest they were doing.

[guest]

Great news indeed. I can't imagine how wonderful the visual quality is going to be on DVD for all those fighting scences.

I can't wait for the dub. :D

[Kha]

Let's all pray this doesn't get an Odex dub! :upset:Curse ODEX! Flog the heretical demons! Boycott the minions of Chaos that have no respect for privacy!

DOWN WITH ODEX! POWER TO THE FREE PEOPLE OF S'PORE!!! :frustrated:

[Meophist]

Geneon was good, right?

[relentlessflame]

Geneon was good, right?They generally put out good product, if that's what you mean.

The only thing that people are commenting on here is that one of their recent releases (Karin) had a dub produced in Singapore by a company called Odex that isn't known for doing very good work. So that's why people are saying "please, not Odex". Other than that (and/or, if you're not into dubs), there's nothing much to complain about. So yeah, they're "good". :p

[Deathkillz]

not to mention some other controversies as well :rolleyes:

great news :D time to start saving up...(and to hell with dubs they all FAIL!)

[Meophist]

They generally put out good product, if that's what you mean.

The only thing that people are commenting on here is that one of their recent releases (Karin) had a dub produced in Singapore by a company called Odex that isn't known for doing very good work. So that's why people are saying "please, not Odex". Other than that (and/or, if you're not into dubs), there's nothing much to complain about. So yeah, they're "good". :pAhh. Generally, the anime I watch either gets some bad dubs or no dub at all, so I'm not too knowledgable in that area. I just remember hearing that Geneon is good, but their releases are often expensive. At least, my friend wouldn't stop complaining about Mao-chan's price.

[Kamui4356]

Ahh. Generally, the anime I watch either gets some bad dubs or no dub at all, so I'm not too knowledgable in that area. I just remember hearing that Geneon is good, but their releases are often expensive. At least, my friend wouldn't stop complaining about Mao-chan's price.

I haven't noticed geneon being more expensive than other companies. Though it seems some retail stores charge full price for them while releases from other companies tend to be discounted a bit.

As for odex, hopefully they learned their lesson about them. If not, well it's not like I actually watch my dvds, I just buy them to have them sitting on my shelf. :heh: Of course I don't imagine most people are like that.

Anyway, I'm looking foward to being able to put this series next to the only other mahou shoujo series I like, Magic Knight Rayearth.

[guest]

They generally put out good product, if that's what you mean.

The only thing that people are commenting on here is that one of their recent releases (Karin) had a dub produced in Singapore by a company called Odex that isn't known for doing very good work. So that's why people are saying "please, not Odex". Other than that (and/or, if you're not into dubs), there's nothing much to complain about. So yeah, they're "good". :p
Wait, so they did the dub in singapore and released dvd in US? That doesn't make sense. It has to be more expensive to do this, doesn't it?

[Shadow Angel]

Finally been wanting this for a long time now.

[relentlessflame]

Wait, so they did the dub in singapore and released dvd in US? That doesn't make sense. It has to be more expensive to do this, doesn't it?Well, off-topic, but it's not like they flew American actors to Singapore or anything; Odex used English-speaking dub actors from Singapore, and that was probably cheaper than paying U.S. or Canadian actors. It may also have been that Odex was dubbing the series already for their local market; I'm not sure.

In any event, there's been no news about the dub studio for Nanoha yet, so time will tell. Using a certain dub studio one time doesn't exactly set a precident.

[Bloodseeker]

:D

One of the four anime that I've watched fansubbed that I'd actually be willing to buy (Higurashi, Nanoha, Hunter X Hunter, and Code Geass) got licensed! All I've got to say is that I hope that they don't half-ass it. Well, at the very least, I'll get to watch Nanoha with improved video and sound.

Edit: And of course, by not half-assing it, I mean giving it a proper dub with good VAs and no Japanese phrases that don't make sense in English mixed in, attractive cover art that will catch the attention of the non-pedo crowd, and a healthy supply of extras. After Higurashi though (haven't bought the first DVD yet, since I've been broke (though its at the top of my to-buy list for DVDs for sure), but I've heard and seen enough to know that it doesn't have a proper dub, that the DVD content is bare-bones with a static title menu and only previews for extras, and that the R1 cover art looks like shit), I don't really have my hopes up...

[serenade_beta]

Aah, it got licensed... Wonder if I should buy it? Too many licenses recently. Hmm... Maybe just A's.

[Kamui4356]

attractive cover art that will catch the attention of the non-pedo crowd

Hmm... Now that you mention it, I think I'll buy this one online... :uhoh:

[relentlessflame]

Edit: And of course, by not half-assing it, I mean giving it a proper dub with good VAs and no Japanese phrases that don't make sense in English mixed in, attractive cover art that will catch the attention of the non-pedo crowd, and a healthy supply of extras. After Higurashi though (haven't bought the first DVD yet, since I've been broke (though its at the top of my to-buy list for DVDs for sure), but I've heard and seen enough to know that it doesn't have a proper dub, that the DVD content is bare-bones with a static title menu and only previews for extras, and that the R1 cover art looks like shit), I don't really have my hopes up...Well, I think you're probably setting yourself up for disappointment... It's not like they're going to commission new art just for their DVDs, they're not going to get more extras than the Japanese DVDs have (except if they make their own with the English cast/crew?), and the dub... well, no matter what, it'll be pretty hard to do better than the Japanese cast, IMO. I think it should be a good release, but I'm afraid that virtually everything in R1 would be considered "half-assed" by your standards (not to mention the original Japanese DVDs...)...

[Bloodseeker]

Well, I think you're probably setting yourself up for disappointment... It's not like they're going to commission new art just for their DVDs, they're not going to get more extras than the Japanese DVDs have (except if they make their own with the English cast/crew?), and the dub... well, no matter what, it'll be pretty hard to do better than the Japanese cast, IMO. I think it should be a good release, but I'm afraid that virtually everything in R1 would be considered "half-assed" by your standards (not to mention the original Japanese DVDs...)...

Not really... I'm a bit of an oddity on this board in that I'm a dub fan. I'll take a good dub over a Japanese track any day, and the mass majority of my favorite VAs are English-speaking. And its really not all that much to ask that they give it a proper dub and translate everything in the dub, instead of leaving phrases like "kana kana" and "*insert character name here*-sama" in there that don't make sense in English (-chan and -kun are alright as long as they make them sound like nicknames though)... forget the purists that bitch and whine whenever their favorite phrases gets translated to their closest English equivalents, they aren't going to be happy with a dub whatever the R1 companies do with it, anyways.

I don't expect as many extras as the R2 DVDs, just some concept art, promotional clips, and maybe something more series-specific like details about the weaponry and an insert with character profiles. (which is more than you find in most R1 DVDs these days outside of Funimation's releases, sadly) I hate it when anime DVDs have boring cases, a static menu with the cover art in the background, and only advertisements for their other products for extras.

In other words, I just want it to have a good quality release that at least makes it look like they cared.

[relentlessflame]

Well, actually, I don't disagree with any of what you said. I also tend to listen to the dubs on R1 DVDs, and generally I find them quite good (though I'm not sure if I prefer one or the other -- it depends). I agree with what you said about translating everything in the dub (even "senpai" sounds awkward to me in a dub), though, conversely, I'd rather they leave all the suffixes in the subtitles. I always think that shows that are more "Western" in nature tend to make the transition very well, but shows that depend more on Japanese culture tend to have the most problems. As for Nanoha, though... well, honestly, it's sort of a real mix of elements, isn't it? I'll be interested to see how they handle it.

My point about extras was that, except for the physical extras (like the DVD-cases, cards, OST CDs, etc.), I don't remember there being that many on-disc extras for Nanoha on the R2s. I'll have to check again. But the ones you describe would seem reasonable -- I agree with you there too. I do sort of find it "cheap" when there's no insert, and nothing but promos in the extra section...

I guess, when it comes right down to it, I agree with you. It would indeed be good for this show to get a nice treatment.

[Meophist]

I kinda hope for translated manga and sound stages, but I doubt that's going to happen, unfortunally.

[Shadow Angel]

As long as they give Fate a good dubbed voice I'll be happy.

[Mow Yun]

I wonder how they're going to change the Engrish phrases that really don't make much sense :X

[relentlessflame]

I wonder how they're going to change the Engrish phrases that really don't make much sense :XActually, it probably wouldn't happen, but this is one of those cases where they actually could fix it and use the same voices. Donna Burke in particular (voice of Raising Heart) has done a number of English gigs. Probably won't happen, but that'd be interesting.

[grgspunk]

Did Geneon announce an estimated release date for the series?

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

NO WAYS!!
this has made my day:D(been having a bad day today, but this makes it all better:D)
now the only thing we have to worry about is the dub cast...and if they'll re-dub the device's voice overs...I'd rather have Geneon leave it alone, since they are already speaking full english.

[Bloodseeker]

NO WAYS!!
this has made my day:D(been having a bad day today, but this makes it all better:D)
now the only thing we have to worry about is the dub cast...and if they'll re-dub the device's voice overs...I'd rather have Geneon leave it alone, since they are already speaking full engrish.

Fixed. I'd rather that they changed them.

[Keroko]

I quite frankly don't care how they dub them. They are DVD's, ergo they have dual language, ergo I will switch to whatever language I like best.

[Cynor]

I quite frankly don't care how they dub them. They are DVD's, ergo they have dual language, ergo I will switch to whatever language I like best.

QFT

Personally, I think if they do re-record them they need to try to get the original VA to do updated lines (if any). Especially since they are already speaking english, if not slightly mechanized so not 100% clear sometimes. But, at the same time, since they WERE speaking enlgish maybe they'll just leave it alone? Although doubtful since some of it was super engrishy...

Personally, what i'm wondering (although not complaining about) is why they didn't nab StrikerS also. I mean sure it is currently airing, but you have to figure they have most (or all) recorded now. I mean they got one and two, are they that scared it's going to bomb or something to not get three also? Kind of makes me a little concerned, especially since it's fairly rare (from my experiences) for a company to license two seasons at once. Seems to me like they saw "Magical Girl" and decided to just give it the quick, cheap, niche title treatment... I really hope i'm wrong, but thats the way it's reading to me right now. Well, I guess we'll know as more details are released.

[Bloodseeker]

*emails Geneon asking them to drop "Magical Girl" from the title as to not drive away the masses that hated Sailor Moon*

*hopes that at least a few hundred other Nanoha fans are doing the same*

[Darco_emp]

I quite frankly don't care how they dub them. They are DVD's, ergo they have dual language, ergo I will switch to whatever language I like best.

Since there is no way I'm watching Nanoha in dubs unless its to annoy Kha and Liingo so at least it will not bother me as much...

Since its Geneon I guess the dubs is not going to be the worst there is, but I don't see it can be better then the orginal. And I really doubt we'll see a re-recording of those lines in English...

Still about time they made it public :D

[LoweGear]

Personally, what i'm wondering (although not complaining about) is why they didn't nab StrikerS also. I mean sure it is currently airing, but you have to figure they have most (or all) recorded now

Exactly because it IS airing. Asides from extremely rare cases (i.e. Death Note, which caused quite the negative reaction from fans), most don't license a series while it's still incomplete. and will wait at least a few months after it's been completed to decide whether they'll snatch it up for licensing or not.

[Adr 00]

Making it public via dub could be bad.Now imagine Nanoha macdonald action figures coming out.>.<

[Bloodseeker]

Making it public via dub could be bad.Now imagine Nanoha macdonald action figures coming out.>.<

Let's not to jump to conclusions on the dub without even so much as a clip to go off of. I doubt that Nanoha is going to get the VIP treatment, and we're probably going to see a lot of new VAs on the cast list and not a lot of old popular veterans, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the directing will be garbage and that the VAs will be terrible.

And if they market Nanoha to the kiddies, me and the people responsible for that decision are going to have to "sit down" and have a nice long "talk". :heh:

[Panon]

Personally, what i'm wondering (although not complaining about) is why they didn't nab StrikerS also. I mean sure it is currently airing, but you have to figure they have most (or all) recorded now.

While they just announced it, the licensing itself didn't exactly happen in the last couple of days.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

Hopefully it will be named just "Nanoha" instead the whole full "mahou shoujo" title.
Casual anime viewers who didn't know anything about Nanoha would think that seeing "mahou shoujo" on the cover might mean its another "sailor moon/ cardcaptor Sakura" kind of genre.

Now, about Geneon nabbing StrikerS, while its currently airing in Japan, and I do believe that a licensing company (forgot, was it ADV??) did license Devil May Cry and thats also being currently televised in Japan, it could have been possible, but I think Geneon wants to wait a little bit more before making an announcement on it or maybe they just want to see how the first two seasons sell well when its finally released.
But most likely, they will license StrikerS though, but not now...unless they surprise us.:heh:

[Adr 00]

Let's not to jump to conclusions on the dub without even so much as a clip to go off of. I doubt that Nanoha is going to get the VIP treatment, and we're probably going to see a lot of new VAs on the cast list and not a lot of old popular veterans, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the directing will be garbage and that the VAs will be terrible.

And if they market Nanoha to the kiddies, me and the people responsible for that decision are going to have to "sit down" and have a nice long "talk". :heh:

marketing nanoha to kiddies is a bad idea.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

marketing nanoha to kiddies is a bad idea.

you can imagine something like 4kids' version of One Piece will happen if Nanoha was put on the market for Kiddies only...0_0

[Liingo]

Since there is no way I'm watching Nanoha in dubs unless its to annoy Kha and Liingo so at least it will not bother me as much...

Since its Geneon I guess the dubs is not going to be the worst there is, but I don't see it can be better then the orginal. And I really doubt we'll see a re-recording of those lines in English...

Still about time they made it public :D

Oy oy, you even think about watching there and I'll exercise my authority to kick you out...

Why would they want to re-record the engrish.... just more money... As long as they don't do something stupid with the dubs/dvd (not that i would watch it dubbed) I'll be happy with it... :D

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

well, all I know is that all those first timers whose gonna pick up this title and watch it for the first time, they'll know how Nanoha is different from the other "magical girl" titles...and how little girls who are only 9 years old, get to fire off giant beams of magic that could make any of the DBZ characters jealous.:heh:

[Darco_emp]

you can imagine something like 4kids' version of One Piece will happen if Nanoha was put on the market for Kiddies only...0_0

To tone down the undertones with Fate is not that hard I think, but I wonder how will they tone down all the happy family moments with Precia.... It will be interesting to say the least, the suicidal kind...

Oy oy, you even think about watching there and I'll exercise my authority to kick you out...

Why would they want to re-record the engrish.... just more money... As long as they don't do something stupid with the dubs/dvd (not that i would watch it dubbed) I'll be happy with it...

:heh:, After Trigun marathone in English how bad could this be, its all in the aim of scientific experment.

[Liingo]

well, all I know is that all those first timers whose gonna pick up this title and watch it for the first time, they'll know how Nanoha is different from the other "magical girl" titles...and how little girls who are only 9 years old, get to fire off giant beams of magic that could make any of the DBZ characters jealous.:heh:

That is of course if they get past the first 4 episodes of the first season with no Fate.....

To tone down the undertones with Fate is not that hard I think, but I wonder how will they tone down all the happy family moments with Precia.... It will be interesting to say the least, the suicidal kind...

Those scenes will be ones to look for since those would be the ones on the chopping block if they do decide to cut bits... (hopefully not)

:heh:, After Trigun marathone in English how bad could this be, its all in the aim of scientific experment.

yeahh.... lets not go there... *shudder*

[Alexandrite]

Well... this is somewhat unexpected, but since that rumor was flying around a while back, not too surprising. Yes, dropping the Magical Girl bit from the title will probably help it sell better, and to me wouldn't be that big of an issue. Like Air, this is one series that I will have to pick up simply because I would really like a hard copy to own, regardless of how the dub turns out. Since Geneon is the one that nabbed it, I don't have too many major concerns over the quality of the dub, but it occurs to me that I haven't seen too many Geneon dubs, especially not recent releases. But I'm guessing that it can't be hit or miss like some of Funimation's releases. :heh:

[Darco_emp]

That is of course if they get past the first 4 episodes of the first season with no Fate.....

I remember the reluctance from me introducing Nanoha to people, and ending with me ramming it down their throats....

Still I makes me wonder how will the mainstream watchers recives Nanoha even after they does get through the first few relatively dull eps....

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

That is of course if they get past the first 4 episodes of the first season with no Fate.....


well, someone already posted this idea in this thread already, but as long as Geneon decides to put 4 or maybe 5 episodes in the first volume of the DVD, then first time viewers will really get a kick out of what Fate is made of and how it gets interesting from that point on.
But the first 4 episodes were slow...see a monster, destroy it, get its jewel seed, and then done...

[Cynor]

Just to clarify something... I know they've been in talks or whatever and just announced it for awhile. However, it would just make more sense to me to do a batch license of all the titles for the series, not just the first two seasons. I mean really, by the time the first two seasons are fully out on dvd season 3 will probably be out totally in japan for months.

Anyways, on the topic of the DvDs... It seems to be a trend recently to pack 5 episodes on the first DvD of any series. So i'd be willing to bet money that they'll put 5 on the first Nanoha DvD. As for whether they should drop the Magical Girl from the title... I'd vote no personally. Will it toss some people off? Yes. Will it matter if the series gets good reviews and people shove it down other's throats? Nope.

[relentlessflame]

Just to clarify something... I know they've been in talks or whatever and just announced it for awhile. However, it would just make more sense to me to do a batch license of all the titles for the series, not just the first two seasons. I mean really, by the time the first two seasons are fully out on dvd season 3 will probably be out totally in japan for months.Well, what they probably negotiated was an "option" on the third season. Meaning that so long as the first two seasons sell well, they reserve the right to buy the third season as well. Sort of like having "first dibs". It's a bit less of a risk to buy "26 now, 26 later", than to pay for all 52 now (which is a real over-simplification, but still). (Example in recent memory would be Media Blasters with Ah! My Goddess -- they declined their option on the Second Season, and ADV picked it up instead.)

That and, as a secondary issue, they don't normally announce licenses until the DVDs are well into being released in Japan; as you probably know, North American anime DVDs are much much cheaper, and they don't really want people in Japan to skip the Japanese discs and wait to import the American ones. This one of the reasons why you don't normally see license announcements until a few months after the series is done airing in Japan. That's not always the case, of course -- sometimes shows are licensed even before they air. But it's still a factor, anyway.

[grgspunk]

Hmm... Now that you mention it, I think I'll buy this one online... :uhoh:

Can anyone show me the Japanese cover/box art? I'd like to see for myself to know what they're talking about.

[relentlessflame]

Can anyone show me the Japanese cover/box art? I'd like to see for myself to know what they're talking about.We'll, it's not like they're particularly risqué or anything... I think it's just the "cute little girl" factor. :heh: Nanoha (http://www.nanoha.com/archive/cd_dvd/dvd.html), and Nanoha A's (http://www.nanoha.com/archive2/goods/goods_dvdmap.html).

[grgspunk]

We'll, it's not like they're particularly risqué or anything... I think it's just the "cute little girl" factor. :heh: Nanoha (http://www.nanoha.com/archive/cd_dvd/dvd.html), and Nanoha A's (http://www.nanoha.com/archive2/goods/goods_dvdmap.html).

Huh? I don't see anything to be intimidated about...

[Kamui4356]

Huh? I don't see anything to be intimidated about...

I meant it as more of a joke. Sorry if it wasn't clear I wasn't being serious. Of course, I live in a conservative state, so you never know who's going to get the wrong idea about stuff like this around here.

[grgspunk]

I meant it as more of a joke. Sorry if it wasn't clear I wasn't being serious. Of course, I live in a conservative state, so you never know who's going to get the wrong idea about stuff like this around here.

Oh, now I see. I was wondering about that since I've seen plenty of anime cover/box art that are deemed as "cute" or "pedolicious". Card Captor Sakura and Higurashi come to mind (for the box).

[narmi]

Wow I can't believe that Geneon licensed Nanoha, Nanoha A's. I hope YTV (A tv Channel in Canada) will broadcast episodes of Nanoha, Nanoha A's but that possibility is unlikely........ Oh well. Ahahahaha.

[Dark Wing]

you can imagine something like 4kids' version of One Piece will happen if Nanoha was put on the market for Kiddies only...0_0

That gives me a good idea check page 7 of the joke section of more details. ;)

[Sorrow-K]

This is a surprise. I always saw Nanoha as too much of an otaku anime to get licensed, but it seems companies are licensing anything and everything these days (which is good, since it signifies that people are actually buying anime and that companies have the money to take risks).

I'm sure Nanoha fans will be buoyed, but I'm rather indifferent to this. Neither series entertained me enough to convince me that they were worth throwing money at.

[grgspunk]

I really hope Geneon releases news on when the first volume is going to be out soon.

[Vexx]

This may turn out to be a rather expensive year in terms of DVD sets.... yowchers.

[Alexandrite]

This may turn out to be a rather expensive year in terms of DVD sets.... yowchers.
Agreed. For once in a long time, there are series being released here that I actually would care to spend quite a bit of money on.

[Cynor]

This may turn out to be a rather expensive year in terms of DVD sets.... yowchers.

Isn't that true. I've lost count of how many series I like have been licensed lately or are still coming out from licenses last year. Whether I buy em all or not I haven't decided, but still with Nanoha and even one or two other series that is expensive!

Edit: Not as expensive as importing the R2s (if I could even play them or understand them) but still expensive none the less!

[Shadow Angel]

I wonder when the first dvd will be released most likely around the end of the year I bet.

[narmi]

Isn't that true. I've lost count of how many series I like have been licensed lately or are still coming out from licenses last year. Whether I buy em all or not I haven't decided, but still with Nanoha and even one or two other series that is expensive!

Edit: Not as expensive as importing the R2s (if I could even play them or understand them) but still expensive none the less!

Yah most of the time I don't buy the dvd's because they're to darn expensive. I don't have the money to pay for it but :heh: I think I might actually try and get the dvds of Nanoha and Nanoha A's. Anyway from where I currently live anime dvds cost about 30 to 45 dollars EACH! Talk about your bloody budget breaker no?

Anyway I can't wait to become an airliner pilot so I can actually buy the dvds:heh:. At least when I become an airliner pilot I'll have to spend some time away from home and pilot an aircraft. Thus less electric and water tax on my income in the long run including gas for the car :heh:.

[Cynor]

Yah most of the time I don't buy the dvd's because they're to darn expensive. I don't have the money to pay for it but :heh: I think I might actually try and get the dvds of Nanoha and Nanoha A's. Anyway from where I currently live anime dvds cost about 30 to 45 dollars EACH! Talk about your bloody budget breaker no?

Yea, that sucks for sure. Not that much worse (at the lower end) then what I pay though, I end up paying about 25 on average, with the starter box thingies (which I like because I like having good organization for my collection) running 30-35.

[grgspunk]

Yea, that sucks for sure. Not that much worse (at the lower end) then what I pay though, I end up paying about 25 on average, with the starter box thingies (which I like because I like having good organization for my collection) running 30-35.

Just be glad you're not buying dvds in Japan. 2-3 ep dvds (with little or no extras) cost 40 to 50 dollars. If they offer 4 or more eps per dvd, prices may range from 50 to 60 dollars (assuming 1000 yen is a rough equivalent of 10 dollars).

[Cynor]

Just be glad you're not buying dvds in Japan. 2-3 ep dvds (with little or no extras) cost 40 to 50 dollars. If they offer 4 or more eps per dvd, prices may range from 50 to 60 dollars (assuming 1000 yen is a rough equivalent of 10 dollars).


Yea, I did say that somewhere... not the exact prices, but I did say it was better then importing the R2s (aka Japan DvDs)

Oh, and the current exchange rate is roughly 120 yen to 1 USD. It's actually closer to 130 then 120 last I looked, but it fluctuates a lot. In general I just say 100 yen = 1 USD when buying things. That allows for a lot of overhead to make sure I can afford things.

[Petco]

marketing nanoha to kiddies is a bad idea.

Yeah, in fact, I want Nanoha to be showed on something like "Adult Swim". Though it's not like there is much that can't be viewable by all ages except the Fate torture scenes.


And yes, the first few episodes of Nanoha S1 is pretty dull or 'typical' Monster of the Day stuff that a lot of series have.


I've seen a fandub (http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/Nanoha/video/x1h9hq_nanoha-as-episode-09-part-a) of Nanoha which is pretty good(except for some of the knights) and can get me to imagine English versions without "bad dubbing" thought.

Though Nanoha isn't Nanoha without the Engrish.

[grgspunk]

Just a quick question. How long does it usually take for Geneon to announce a release date for the first volume of a series after they license it?

Also, has Geneon ever licensed a series, but never released it?

[Cynor]

Just a quick question. How long does it usually take for Geneon to announce a release date for the first volume of a series after they license it?

Also, has Geneon ever licensed a series, but never released it?

Not sure about either, although normally once something has been officially announced you'll hear a rough time for the first volume, like say summer 07. That is probably a bit too soon for Nanoha, but it gives you the idea. They first got the domain in Jan of this year, so we may be seeing a release soon... but if they've had it for so long why take so long to announce it? Makes me think they were just more in talks so they probably just recently started the actual work on it, which means I wouldn't expect one personally until probably Nov at the earliest.

[hendo001]

so still nothing going on atm with regards to the dvds coming out?
I've not seen anything on their website but I'm gonna check again

[grgspunk]

Has anyone emailed Geneon to find out any info in regards to the Nanoha license?

[hendo001]

Has anyone emailed Geneon to find out any info in regards to the Nanoha license?

yes still not heard anything from them though :(

to be honest either they are taking their time releasing this or they have dropped it.

the domain NANOHADVD.COM is owned by a web hosting company atm.

So dunno whats gonna happen now.

[Cynor]

yes still not heard anything from them though :(

to be honest either they are taking their time releasing this or they have dropped it.

the domain NANOHADVD.COM is owned by a web hosting company atm.

So dunno whats gonna happen now.

Well, they only recently announced the series. They have had the domain for awhile, but they could have registered that when they started talks for it. I'd say give it another couple months and if there still isn't some kind of official site then start worrying I'd say.

[grgspunk]

I don't get it though... When exactly did they acquire Nanoha before they announced it? And were there any other anime titles that Geneon took a long time to announce an ETA after announcing that they licensed it?

They usually don't take long to declare a release date after declaring a license for other titles... What makes Nanoha so different..?

I'll probably give them around November or December to get some sort of information...

[cyanne]

Geneon's generally been pretty good about releasing shows that they have announced. Remember, we're also talking two different seasons and the biggest hang up with shows is usually not the show itself but licensing the music.

From what I understand, music licenses are sometimes negotiated separately from the show itself because the company has to not only go through the animation studio but also the music studio that released the song and the song's artist. Nana Mizuki is a very big deal in Japan right now. Most idol stars don't tend to hang around for seven years and well... she's in her seventh year (Hahaha... Seven years for Nana... This is a play on words joke. Personally, I love her voice).

That said. I'm sure Geneon was able to work out all of those details before announcing those licenses but there could have been a last minute change of plans. So be patient guys. It'll come when it comes.

[hendo001]

Geneon's generally been pretty good about releasing shows that they have announced. Remember, we're also talking two different seasons and the biggest hang up with shows is usually not the show itself but licensing the music.

From what I understand, music licenses are sometimes negotiated separately from the show itself because the company has to not only go through the animation studio but also the music studio that released the song and the song's artist. Nana Mizuki is a very big deal in Japan right now. Most idol stars don't tend to hang around for seven years and well... she's in her seventh year (Hahaha... Seven years for Nana... This is a play on words joke. Personally, I love her voice).

That said. I'm sure Geneon was able to work out all of those details before announcing those licenses but there could have been a last minute change of plans. So be patient guys. It'll come when it comes.


I just hope that it does come and not get dumped :S

Lots of good shows have been dumped before by their makers and/or studios etc.
We all know it happens (look at sg-1), so lets hope its not gonna get dumped.....

[cyanne]

Of course... the other reason might have something to do with this mysterious ADV and Geneon deal that Anime On DVD is reporting...

[hendo001]

Of course... the other reason might have something to do with this mysterious ADV and Geneon deal that Anime On DVD is reporting...

got a link and some more info on this?

as i have no clue what ur on about :confused::confused::confused::confused:

[Mirificus]

got a link and some more info on this?

as i have no clue what ur on about :confused::confused::confused::confused:
ADV Takes Over Geneon's Sales, Marketing, Distribution (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-08-24/adv-takes-over-geneon-sales-marketing-and-distribution)


ICV2 is reporting that according to a notice sent to retailers, ADV Films will be handling the marketing, sales, and distribution for Geneon's entire catalog beginning October 1. The notice mentioned that Geneon will still be licensing and producing anime for North America, but the way those titles reach the market will now be handled by ADV Films. ADV Films declined to comment for this article; Geneon could not be reached for comment.

[hendo001]

ADV Takes Over Geneon's Sales, Marketing, Distribution (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-08-24/adv-takes-over-geneon-sales-marketing-and-distribution)


hmmm lets hope this will include the nanoha series

[Cynor]

hmmm lets hope this will include the nanoha series

It's been forever since I bought a DvD period, but any reason why you hope that it includes Nanoha? Does ADV include better extras or something? Then again, extras in general weren't that great when I was still buying DvDs heh. Although I do think that ADV included something better then normal lol.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

ADV Takes Over Geneon's Sales, Marketing, Distribution (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-08-24/adv-takes-over-geneon-sales-marketing-and-distribution)

All I know is that ADV sure pushes their releases out pretty fast. Hopefully they might push Geneon to release Nanoha before the year's end.

[hendo001]

It's been forever since I bought a DvD period, but any reason why you hope that it includes Nanoha? Does ADV include better extras or something? Then again, extras in general weren't that great when I was still buying DvDs heh. Although I do think that ADV included something better then normal lol.

yeah i wanna see and own the dvds not bothered about extras :)

[Cynor]

I guess maybe it's been too long since I bought any anime then... since I don't seem to remember ADV being any slower then other companies. Well, if they are quicker and they do take over the Nanoha distro then that'll be great. So long as it doesn't make Geneon rush things that is... Not that i'll be watching the dub, but you still don't want them to do a rush job hehe.

[krisslanza]

I'm really more worried by the fact Geneon has a small cast of voice actors and you tend to see many anime with the same voice actors filling roles... And since the majority of dubs seem to pale in comparison to the originals... I'm scared for Nanoha dub x_x

[Keroko]

I'm really more worried by the fact Geneon has a small cast of voice actors and you tend to see many anime with the same voice actors filling roles... And since the majority of dubs seem to pale in comparison to the originals... I'm scared for Nanoha dub x_x

I fail to see the worry. It's a DVD. If the dub turns out bad, simply switch language to Japanese and you won't have to worry about it anymore.

[Mow Yun]

I'm really more worried by the fact Geneon has a small cast of voice actors and you tend to see many anime with the same voice actors filling roles... And since the majority of dubs seem to pale in comparison to the originals... I'm scared for Nanoha dub x_x

I'd be more scared of the way they'd translate some of the names... for example.

Daizengar -> "DaiGenGuard" (SRWOG2 English) -> "DaiGynGuar" or something like that in SRWOGs for Japanese.

[relentlessflame]

By the way, it's not all that unusual for Geneon to take a while in announcing release dates after announcing a license. The typical wait time from announcement to release is something like six months to a year or more, IIRC. They probably just don't want to give a date until they're relatively sure they can make it.

And, incidentally, music licensing won't be an issue here, since King Records published both the anime and all the music for it. And the ADV deal shouldn't affect it much either, since Geneon will still be operating independantly and handling all the production work. All in all, I'd say to just give it time.

[grgspunk]

About the ADV thing... It makes me wonder, if Nanoha (or any other anime) boxsets come down the road a few years from now, do you think they'll be stripped of extra content like ADV thinpaks are? Usually, Geneon's collections retain everything that was in the singles...

[Jimmy C]

Probably not. According to what has been said, Geneon will still be responsible for creating the material for sale, but ADV will be the one selling.

[Lordshade]

yes still not heard anything from them though :(

to be honest either they are taking their time releasing this or they have dropped it.

the domain NANOHADVD.COM is owned by a web hosting company atm.

So dunno whats gonna happen now.


Um, according to WHOIS...
"
Registrant:
Geneon Entertainment (USA) Inc.
2265 East 220th Street
Long Beach,, CA 90810
US

Domain Name: NANOHADVD.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Geneon Entertainment (USA) Inc.Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by DomainTools.com
2265 East 220th Street
Long Beach,, CA 90810
US
800-607-2411

Record expires on 12-Jan-2012.
Record created on 12-Jan-2007.
Database last updated on 17-Sep-2007 15:21:38 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS53.WORLDNIC.COM 205.178.190.27
NS54.WORLDNIC.COM 205.178.189.27"

This implies that they still have the website, and that the record was updated today...

http://whois.domaintools.com/nanohadvd.com

[Vidofnir]

I would only start getting worried if there has been no news from Geneon halfway 2008.

Getting a nice box with the first volume would be nice. If there isn't one I usually wait
until a complete boxset comes out, but for this show waiting is not an option.
I don't want the initial sales to flop and having them decide StrikerS is not worth licensing as a result.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

it seems that Geneon has canceled its distribution partnership with ADV...and it might be looking bad for Nanoha being released in the states.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-09-20/adv-films-geneon-entertainment-distribution-deal-cancelled

[cyanne]

From what I have heard, production for Nanoha is already underway. The problem is they have no way to distribute due to lack of a Sales team. This will also affect all other Geneon products currently in production.

[grgspunk]

From what I have heard, production for Nanoha is already underway. The problem is they have no way to distribute due to lack of a Sales team. This will also affect all other Geneon products currently in production.

Sauce for the Nanoha production update, please.

[cyanne]

Sauce for the Nanoha production update, please.

Wish I could give you one but that's what I heard from a friend who's now a former employee. Of course with the press release stating that all in-house production is being shut down at the end of the year, we might never see beyond a couple DVDs anyway or Hellsing 4 or pretty much anything else beyond what's on the release chart. :/

[grgspunk]

Wait a second, what makes you think that Geneon is going to stop all in house productions anyway? Which press release are you talking about?

[Mirificus]

Geneon USA Lays Off Sales, Marketing Staffers, Sept. 11, 2007 (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-09-11/geneon-lays-off-sales-marketing-staffers)
Geneon USA Lays Off Sales, Marketing Staffers
posted on 2007-09-11 16:50 EDT
As part of its transition to A.D. Vision handling its sales and marketing, Geneon Entertainment (USA) Inc. laid off five employees from its sales team last Friday, and plans to lay off employees from its marketing team at the end of this week. The five employees in the sales team were informed earlier last week that Friday, September 7 would be their last day. According to a recent press release, Geneon USA had 39 employees; by the end of this week, Geneon USA will have laid off more than 20% of its staff.

ADV and Geneon Call off Strategic Alliance, Sept. 21 2007 (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2007-09-21/adv-and-geneon-call-off-strategic-alliance)
ADV and Geneon Call off Strategic Alliance
Sep 21 2007
HOUSTON, September 21, 2007—ADV Films, the number one producer-distributor of anime outside of Japan, today confirmed that it has withdrawn plans to distribute Geneon Entertainment's DVDs, CDs, and other product in North America.

“We regret that we could not complete an arrangement with Geneon Entertainment,” said ADV Films co-founder and President John Ledford. “We have enormous admiration for Geneon's line and wish them the best of luck.”

The strategic alliance announced jointly by ADV Films and Geneon Entertainment on August 29, which was slated to take effect October 1, would have made ADV Geneon's sole distributor in North America.

About ADV Films:
In the 15 years since its inception, ADV Films has become the #1 producer-distributor of Japanese animation (“anime”) outside of Japan and has the largest English-language anime library in the world. With best-selling titles such as Neon Genesis Evangelion, RahXephon, Robotech, Full Metal Panic!, Hello Kitty and Azumanga Daioh, ADV Films' extensive catalog is fueling the popularity of anime around the globe. Always on the forefront, ADV is introducing North America to bold new anime franchises such as the new Guyver, Le Chevalier D'Eon, Gantz, and Elfen Lied. ADV Films' library also includes popular live-action science fiction programs such as The Jim Henson Company's Farscape, the nationally syndicated Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda and the Saturn Award-nominated Mutant X. In 2005 ADV Films was voted “Best Anime Company” in the SPJA awards, presented at Anime Expo, North America's largest anime convention. The readers of Anime News Network designated ADV Films “Overall Favorite Anime Company” in both 2004 and 2005.

Parent company A.D. Vision, Inc. encompasses a variety of complementary media divisions, spanning publishing, television, licensing and merchandising and continues to expand into new areas. Its Anime Network™ is “America's #1 Anime Channel,” reaching more than 40 million households. Anime Network is the nation's top video-on-demand (VOD) offering as well as a 24/7 linear cable channel and is the first television network dedicated to bringing anime and anime-related programming to consumers nationwide. The company has two publishing arms: Newtype USA, North America's top-selling anime and manga monthly magazine, and ADV Manga™, dedicated to publishing graphic novels. Headquartered in Houston, the company has offices in Europe and Japan. For more information, visit www.advfilms.com.

This suggests that while Geneon should still have its production staff, it will need to do a fair bit of work to get its marketing and distribution back into shape.

[Xellos-_^]

Geneon USA Lays Off Sales, Marketing Staffers, Sept. 11, 2007 (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-09-11/geneon-lays-off-sales-marketing-staffers)


ADV and Geneon Call off Strategic Alliance, Sept. 21 2007 (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2007-09-21/adv-and-geneon-call-off-strategic-alliance)


This suggests that while Geneon should still have its production staff, it will need to do a fair bit of work to get its marketing and distribution back into shape.

They could always have Rightstuf take over the sales and marketing.

One thing about Genon and ADV that has always bug me is their artboxes are plain. Nice artwork but stilll just a plain artbox. I really like how Funi and Bandai puts in the extra work with their special ed artboxes. Long shot but i am hoping Nanoha will get either a Mai-Hime type sp ed artbox or a Trinity Blood type. Those boxes are awsome and I would pay extra for them.

[cyanne]

Wait a second, what makes you think that Geneon is going to stop all in house productions anyway? Which press release are you talking about?

The press releases were posted a little earlier. The thing about stopping in house productions is from AnimeNewsNetwork. My mistake, not an official press release but STILL somewhere in print.

"In addition to the contracting of Geneon USA's sales and marketing to ADV Films, Dentsu Inc. (Geneon USA's parent company) was also planning on closing Geneon USA's in-house production by the end of the year. It is not known what was to be done with ongoing projects, such as the Hellsing video series, that will not finish in Japan before December 31."

Full story can be found here: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-09-20/adv-films-geneon-entertainment-distribution-deal-cancelled

[grgspunk]

The press releases were posted a little earlier. The thing about stopping in house productions is from AnimeNewsNetwork. My mistake, not an official press release but STILL somewhere in print.

"In addition to the contracting of Geneon USA's sales and marketing to ADV Films, Dentsu Inc. (Geneon USA's parent company) was also planning on closing Geneon USA's in-house production by the end of the year. It is not known what was to be done with ongoing projects, such as the Hellsing video series, that will not finish in Japan before December 31."

Full story can be found here: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-09-20/adv-films-geneon-entertainment-distribution-deal-cancelled

Do they have some sort of official confirmation to back it up?

[Cynor]

This makes me wonder if ADV ever had any real interest in the deal... Unless either party was asking for an outrageous amount you'd think they would put a little more effort into it. Especially with Geneon actually firing some of their employees, it sounds like they really wanted to make this work. Then ADV pullys out? I mean maybe it's my being paranoid over some stuff that has happened recently, but this reeks of a plan to take out another company... or at least hurt them.

Ignoring the possibility of being planned... I wonder what this will mean for Nanoha and other Geneon series that they haven't finished yet or are still airing. Especially if they are shutting down in-house productions, one has to wonder what will happen there. Even if they get it all done, and are shutting down, one has to figure that will be a huge rush job and wont give the series the attention it really deserves. The layoffs don't worry me that much though tbh... All they have to do is hire new people, or re-hire those who were fired (if they'll come back). I doubt they'll have a major problem filling the slots either, they probably wont get as many people applying after this if they do open it up... but there will be people willing to do it.

[Avatar_notADV]

Well, at least the subs will come out okay. I can manage that much. ;p

[relentlessflame]

Well, at least the subs will come out okay. I can manage that much. ;pCongrats on getting the contracts, and good news for those of us left slightly dazed and confused about all the Geneon stuff. Looking forward to your well-done subtitles! :p "Once and current subtitler" indeed.

[Cynor]

Well, at least the subs will come out okay. I can manage that much. ;p

0.o

Now, if maybe you could also talk them into like changing up the whole fugly yellow text that normally come on DvDs. Not even asking for different colors per char, but all the huge yellow subs do tend to wear on you... Add some style or something! >_>

[relentlessflame]

Now, if maybe you could also talk them into like changing up the whole fugly yellow text that normally come on DvDs. Not even asking for different colors per char, but all the huge yellow subs do tend to wear on you... Add some style or something! >_>Heh -- well, that's corporate policy, and that (or white) is basically the standard for legibility. DVD subtitles are not about "style" they're about making sure the maximum possible audience can read it clearly on even the worst of TVs. So long as there are people with craptastic TVs out there, I can't see them changing it.

[Ottocycle]

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-09-26/geneon-usa-to-cancel-dvd-sales-distribution-by-friday

This does NOT look good at all. To think I was wanting to replace my A's done oh-so-well by Odex...

[Kensuke]

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-09-26/geneon-usa-to-cancel-dvd-sales-distribution-by-friday

This does NOT look good at all. To think I was wanting to replace my A's done oh-so-well by Odex...
This sucks, seriously. Geneon is one of my favorite anime companies. My only hope is this line:
"The letter does not address the issue of the future availability of titles, nor does it discuss Geneon USA's future production plans."

I really hope they will return eventually. I was waiting for Nanoha as well... :sad:

[grgspunk]

Requesting restoration of Nanoha, Nanoha A's, Rozen Maiden, Fate/Stay Night and Higurashi fansubs, please...

I'd say it's safe to say that current licensed titles are not going to see future releases in the forseeable future...

[relentlessflame]

Requesting restoration of Nanoha, Nanoha A's, Rozen Maiden, Fate/Stay Night and Higurashi fansubs, please...

I'd say it's safe to say that current licensed titles are going to see future releases in the forseeable future...I think it's too early to tell. At this point, Geneon USA still has the rights, and even though they may not be selling the products themselves anymore (they laid off their sales and marketing teams a few weeks ago), production doesn't seem to have been cancelled (yet?). Not to mention, Fate/stay night will be released in its entirety anyway.

At this point, I'm of the opinion that they should still be considered licensed, until we hear word that production is cancelled. They can always find some other company to distribute their products, just as Kadokawa USA does. Geneon USA isn't going out of business, they're just not publishing their own DVDs anymore.

[grgspunk]

They can always find some other company to distribute their products, just as Kadokawa USA does. Geneon USA isn't going out of business, they're just not publishing their own DVDs anymore.

Considering the deluge of bad news that's been circulating lately, how am I supposed to be convinced that Geneon is even going to go the Kadokawa route? Even if that does happen, what are the chances of having titles like Nanoha, Higurashi and Rozen Maiden sold to another company for a license rescue? I ask this because they're all niche titles, and none of them seem like the kind of titles ADV or Funimation would want. Those companies prefer more "mainstream" titles. There is Bandai-Visual, but *gasp* they relied on Geneon for their DVD production!

Considering the fact that worst-case scenarios always seem to come true these days, I'll assume that Geneon's dead and the licenses won't see an R1 rescue. The alternative possiblilty just doesn't seem feasible...

[Avatar_notADV]

Given that people are being paid to work on it, it's safe to say that the project isn't cancelled.

As far as subtitle colors, spot on, Flame. TV pictures aren't as sharp as computer ones - you need a high-contrast color combination, yellow and black or white and black as the best. But white and black would be really dumb for Nanoha, given that Nanoha herself isn't exactly running around in a slate gray outfit. Bright white heroine plus bright white subtitles equals fugly mess.

[grgspunk]

Given that people are being paid to work on it, it's safe to say that the project isn't cancelled.


I know it isn't cancelled yet, but they said that Geneon was going to cease production efforts by the end of the year. What then?

[relentlessflame]

I know it isn't cancelled yet, but they said that Geneon was going to cease production efforts by the end of the year. What then?Geneon themselves never stated that (at least not publically/officially); ANN "got the word" that that was "in the works", but nobody knows exactly what that means yet, if anything. Maybe they were just referring to "in-house production", or something; most of Geneon's production work is outsourced, IIRC. If they're still paying people to work on new shows at this point, then they may at least be committed to finishing production on the shows they've already started/licensed, which will take them past the end of the year. And no matter what, there'll still be Geneon Japan-produced shows that they'll want to see released in the U.S., even if it's through some other partner/distributor now.

In any case, I'm sure all will become clearer over the next few weeks/months. At this point, though, we can assume it's still licensed with the intention to be released... somehow...

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

I guess we won't know when Nanoha will be released since Geneon is shutting down its DVD sales and distribution to retail stores. Somehow, this sounds bad in a way, because we might not get an announcement about any of Geneon's licensed titles set for release.

[grgspunk]

Geneon themselves never stated that (at least not publically/officially); ANN "got the word" that that was "in the works", but nobody knows exactly what that means yet, if anything. Maybe they were just referring to "in-house production", or something; most of Geneon's production work is outsourced, IIRC. If they're still paying people to work on new shows at this point, then they may at least be committed to finishing production on the shows they've already started/licensed, which will take them past the end of the year. And no matter what, there'll still be Geneon Japan-produced shows that they'll want to see released in the U.S., even if it's through some other partner/distributor now.

If most of Geneon's production is outsorced, then what "in house" production IS there to be shut down?

Also, even if Geneon goes the Kadokawa route, what chances are there that licences like Nanoha and Higurashi be found suitable by other distributers for a license rescue?

[Avatar_notADV]

Can't comment on the potentials (a lot of what I know is covered by NDAs from other companies, heh.) But I figure nobody would be paying to get the shows worked on if they didn't plan on bringing them out somehow; they might end up failing and packing it in, sure, but they definitely haven't abandoned them (yet.)

[Cynor]

As far as the whole sub color thing is concerned, that was more just a joke then anything. Although it has bugged me a bit, especially since I have an HDTV and HD sets are becoming more and more common/standard now.

As for the whole Geneon distro thing, that sucks on so many levels. Besides the whole thing with Nanoha they recently started distro on quite a few of the "niche" titles that I was really looking forward to getting.Some will be done by the time specified for the cut-off... most wont. Even if they are still working on the subs/dubs (or finished work on) while not actually making the dvds to sale, who knows how long it'll be before we actually see them.

[grgspunk]

I've been wondering about something... When the hell is Geneon going to say something about what they're going to do with their unfinished/unreleased licenses? :frustrated:

[Red Lupine]

I just don't see a Nanoha dub having a chance of being good

I expect it to go the way of the Rozen Maiden and Higurashi dubs

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-10-06/geneon-usa-president-and-ceo-sends-message-to-fans/2

Well I would call this good news, but I think we won't be seeing the first volume of Nanoha not until next year. Though, they did state that "subtitling" work is still in the process of both Nanoha seasons...does this mean we won't be getting a dub cast for Nanoha?
Either way, they still have the licenses and are still working on the shows, its just the distribution options that they need to explore to get those DVDs released.

[serenade_beta]

Well I would call this good news, but I think we won't be seeing the first volume of Nanoha not until next year. Though, they did state that "subtitling" work is still in the process of both Nanoha seasons...does this mean we won't be getting a dub cast for Nanoha?

They might be finishing the subtitles first, and they will do the dubbing later.

Either way, they still have the licenses and are still working on the shows, its just the distribution options that they need to explore to get those DVDs released.

Yes, but the situation still seems unstable. Right now, they're discussing. Meaning we might get the DVDs... but we might be saying good-bye to the chance of getting any more of their DVDs.

I really wanted to finish collecting Higurashi no Naku Koro ni too......

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

Yea, same here. Higurashi was on my list to complete my DVD set...I even got the box.:heh:
But back on topic, do all companies always do that? Subbing first then dubbing?
So even though they're discussing any mean of getting their DVDs released, its still a slim chance that we might even get Nanoha or Higurashi or any of Geneon's currently licensed animes to hit stores.
This sucks.:(

[Jimmy C]

Subs are needed before a dub script can be created.
To me, what Geneon didn't tell their retailers was more important than what they told their fans. Remember the letter from Geneon to its sellers that was released earlier?
There was not one word reassuring them that they would make every effort to resume sales. To me, that's not a good sign.

[Avatar_notADV]

Subtitling work and dubbing work often proceed in parallel. The process of creating a dub script is radically different from making a subtitle script, so it's best if they diverge from the beginning anyway. (This might not be the case if you have a really good subtitler but a crappy translation...)

I'd say the chances aren't slim. Doing this stuff with contractors is expensive. If you were looking to cut your losses, "don't start a new show" would go a long way. The fact that they're still starting new shows indicates that they plan to get them to market somehow, even if it's another company who ends up doing the distribution.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

Lets just hope we get an announcement of a DVD release by early next year.
Although their distribution problem seems really heavy in terms of money...so maybe it might take a while before we get anything on a DVD release date.

[Dythe]

Here's the link to an article I found:
starbulletin.com Article (http://starbulletin.com/2007/09/10/features/yadao.html)

In short, ADV will be marketing Geneon's entire catalogue, and its future releases as well.

--Dythe
Edit: This is what I get for not researching
(oops)

[Cynor]

Subtitling work and dubbing work often proceed in parallel. The process of creating a dub script is radically different from making a subtitle script

Just because I'm curious, I don't suppose you can shed any light on the differences? Normally they seem pretty close to each other, and every company always translates every last bit of things including things like Brother and Sister in either version (which I can understand why they would) but with very little differences between them it does make me wonder about it. Probably is something really obvious that I just didn't think of this late at night lol.