Nanoha - Q&A

[JINNSK]

Does anyone have specific information regarding the Enforcer and Special Investigations Officer ranks in the TSAB hierarchy? I really need to know what exactly SIOs do, and I haven't been able to find much information about them. As near as I can tell, they seem to be independent investigators unattached to any specific branch of the bureau.

According to this interview with creator,
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-フェイトの執務官とはどういった立場ですか?
都築 執務官は警察寄りの役職で、事件捜査や各種の調査などを取り仕切る立場の人です。
警察で言えば「警視」とか、その少し上くらいの役職ですね。
単独で、もしくは信頼の置ける部下数人だけで活躍する執務官もいれば、何十人もの捜査員を束ねて指揮をする 執務官もいます。
仕事のスタイルは部署や個人ごとに差異はありますが、法務関係の処理を行える資格をもっているので、捜査グ ループや巡航艦船に執務官がひとりいるといろいろ便利で助かる、重宝される役職です。
その代わり、試験がとても難しいようですが。

-はやての捜査官は、執務官とは違うのですか?
都築 捜査官は実際の捜査を担当する人たちなので、一般の警官のような存在です。
ただ、はやての特別捜査官という役職は、捜査や事件解決に役立つタイプのレアスキル保持者が就くことになる 役職で、要請に応じてさまざまな部署に出向して働く「特殊技能の専門家」といった役割です。


Translation

(In other section,Tsuzuki says that TSAB is the organization which merged the police and the military and Nanoha belongs to the post equivalent to the military)

-What kind of post is the enforcer that is Fate's post?
Tsuzuki:The enforcer that is similar to the police is a post managing crime cases and various investigation.
The post equivalent to in the Japanese police is 「警視」(a police superintendent) or slightly higher than 「警視」.
There are enforcers who work alone or only with several subordinates.
On the other hand, there are enforcers who work with subordinates of dozen.
There are various style of work every assignment and individual.
When there is one enforcer in an investigation group or cruise vessels, he is treated as a very excellent talented person who has legal affairs processing qualification .
But an examination seems to be very difficult.

-Is an investigator that is Hayate's post different from the enforcer?
Tsuzuki:A normal investigator is people investigating on the site like the general police officer.
But the special investigator is the post which the person owning a rare skill of the type to help the investigation and crime-solving becomes.
It is "the expert of special skill" proceeding to the various sections depending on a request.


:eyespin:...These are very difficult Japanese text.I want time or the help of other translators.Can anyone translat?Sorry.

[TheShinySword]

I have a question. Who were those brain guys in StrikerS?

[Tormenk]

Formerly known as the TSAB High Council. Supposedly they paved the way for setting up the Bureau way back from 150 years ago and used the Three Admirals to guide the fledgling government from 75 years ago after they had to abandon their bodies, hence the brains-in-a-jar.

[arkhangelsk]

According to this interview with creator,
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:eyespin:...These are very difficult Japanese text.I want time or the help of other translators.Can anyone translat?Sorry.

OK... most of it is OK, actually - a bit stilted but the meaning comes through.

The post equivalent to in the Japanese police is 「警視」(a police superintendent) or slightly higher than 「警視」.

It is just Inspector / Captain 警部. Check the original text in the picture.

When there is one enforcer in an investigation group or cruise vessels, he is treated as a very excellent talented person who has legal affairs processing qualification .

Actually, a better translation might go like this:
Because they are qualified to handle legal affairs, the presence of an enforcer in an investigation group or patrol ship is much treasured because he makes many things more convenient.

[Anh_Minh]

So... Fate is like a JAG (from the TV series. I have no idea how they are IRL.) Does that mean we could get to see her plead in court?

[Ottocycle]

So... Fate is like a JAG (from the TV series. I have no idea how they are IRL.) Does that mean we could get to see her plead in court?
Given how Chrono was able to help Fate in her own criminal case, I don't see why not.

[JINNSK]

It is just Inspector / Captain 警部. Check the original text in the picture.
Ooooops.I have continued misreading it and thought "Wow.Fate got a great post." for a long time....:heh:
Thank you for correcting.:)

[Avatar_notADV]

I'd say that Fate (and Chrono) are more G-men than JAG, old Elliot Ness style. Less conventional law enforcement officers, more troubleshooters sent in when there's problems too big for the locals to handle.

[wjr]

hehe i got Question to ask

Q: I would like to know Nanoha , Fate , Hayate , Vita , Signum , Zafira , Arf , Yunno , Shamal , the stars and lightings personal Ultimate move ^^v

example : Nanoha ( Starlight Breaker)

thx fer da help!

[AtomicoX]

I don't think they have a "ultimate" attack in that sense, but you can check here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Girl_Lyrical_Nanoha_Strikers

I don't know if the information is correct but it might help. Click on each characters name and scroll down to the spells.

[nines]

Mmmm id consider when use Booster Mode Full power and Starlight Braker would be Nanohas ultimate attack, I mean it did break the sacreds(Vivios) like super defense shield plus her Booster 2 went threw like what 7 or 6 thick ass walls and owned Quatro. I'd consider that an ultimate move with an ultimate body punishment

*sorry from bring up old thread just finished watching StrikerS so yah x,x*

[Kikaifan]

What's all this about Midchilda and Belka having fought a war? Did some official history come out without me hearing about it?

[Keroko]

The ruined cities most battles in StrikerS take place kinda give away a war was fought. ;) And since we only have two names, both of which were said to be the most widespread magic, logically people conclude that those two were the main fighting parties.

[Kikaifan]

Oh, it's just supposition? Well, thanks for the answer.

[Avatar_notADV]

You can't really conclude that.

We know that the Saint King dates back 300ish years, and that the TSAB's founding is relatively more recent (even if the Legendary Three Admirals are pretty old, heh.) Chrono did state that the two magical styles had competed for primacy, but he didn't come out and say that there was an actual war between the two.

There were practically no Belka-style mages remaining by the time of A's. They certainly hadn't encountered the magic often (it was familiar enough to find out about in research, but not through personal experience of anyone in A's). We can assume that the popularity of the "Neo Belka" style in Strikers came from the same source as the spread of Cartridge Systems (i.e. they rocked too much to ignore!), and it's definitely more popular by that time - enough that the training instructors for Subaru and Teana weren't only equipped to handle it, but had a decent number of training weapons available (implying that quite a few people used 'em).

[Keroko]

I find it hard to believe that the style was virtually unknown by the time of A's. Quint Nakajima was a practicioner of Neo Belka, Zest Grandweitz even a practicioner of the Old Belkan style. The TSAB had its own people practicing the style, so saying it wasn't encountered often is a stretch too far to believe. There is also the Saint Church, which houses Carim, Acous, Schach and who knows how many knights.

[Avatar_notADV]

I don't know. Think back to early A's. The barrier that the Knights were using was giving Amy fits - and she's awfully good at her job - because she didn't recognize the formulas it was using. They only pieced it together after the fact, and that actually came after Chrono recognized the Book (and he'd be briefed on it better than normal, given his family history, huh?)

That implies that Belka-type magic (and countermeasures) weren't part of the then-normal TSAB training. It's the same way that Cartridge Systems were in the TSAB part catalog (to the point where RH and Bardiche could request 'em by number), but unknown enough that the technicians had to call for help when they actually got asked for that part.

I'm not saying either were extinct, or totally unknown, but there's no way that they were integrated into the standard doctrine. That's not inconsistent with a small number of extant users, almost all of whom are friendly...

[Kha]

I believe the ruins were an indication of a more recent disaster, rather than something 300, 150 or even 75 years ago. They were too clean for starters. :p

However, the matter stands that Belka is the 2nd most widespread style even in A's, due to the backdating from StrikerS, as mentioned by Keroko.

The Wolkies were Ancient Belka knights, and quite possibly used extinct formulas that New Belka, a Midchilda emulation, didn't. Hence they were unrecognizable to Amy.

The War conclusion came from however, the anti-science weapon ban (which is really bad wording; Science is a STUDY, not a Weapon, Ken Akamatsu & Tsuzuki! -.-) and the existence of the TSAB. No one in their right minds will ever give up their weapons and sovereignity to join a super-conglomerulate without a good reason. It all points to a disaster so bad that people gave up how they used to think and joined up to survive.

Then when you think of such a disaster, even having Belka and Midchilda going for each other's necks leading to Mutually-Assured Destruction once isn't that far-fetched, because 2 major fighting parties won't be enough to cause such a disaster. You're gonna need much more contestants, with much more brutality.

[Keroko]

There is also the matter that the Wolkenritter were programs of a Lost Logia, I imagine barriers generated by a Lost Logia program can give even the highest of expert headaches. In any case, I highly doubt they were stardard barriers, especially concidering the Belkan employees the TSAB has in service.

[Nightengale]

To be honest, I'm just thinking it's just a matter of mild retcon of sort by StrikerS, introducing the Belka SAR, the existence of established Belkan practitioners at least 10 to 20 years prior, along with the Saint Church thing.

Granted, it might not had been something large then as Neo Belka has probably yet been properly established, but the way the situation in regards to Mid vs Belka was treated in A's as opposed to the details established in StrikerS concerning things that happened 10~15 years prior to StrikerS is a little awkward. It's not within the ranges of being completely off, but considering the solid establishment of how the events took place, you might even say it'd seemed awkward no assistance was asked from the Saint Church in any form whatsoever.

[Keroko]

In regards to no assistance of the Saint Church, you have to remember that Regius hated the Saint Church just as much as he did the navy. Also, Regius didn't want to be found out, and investigations done by the Church would have been rogue ellements. His Ground Forces, he could control where to go and where not to go, but the Church investigators he would have had little grip on. By the time Regius got killed, the Cradle was already high in the air, and it was then that we saw the Church beginning to move.

[Nightengale]

In regards to no assistance of the Saint Church, you have to remember that Regius hated the Saint Church just as much as he did the navy. Also, Regius didn't want to be found out, and investigations done by the Church would have been rogue ellements. His Ground Forces, he could control where to go and where not to go, but the Church investigators he would have had little grip on. By the time Regius got killed, the Cradle was already high in the air, and it was then that we saw the Church beginning to move.

I was talking about the Navy (( not )) getting (( any )) assistance from the Church back in A's in regards to the Book of Darkness Incident. It's not like communication was ever a problem, and even they can even travel back and forth within a few hours as well. I mean, it's not like Graham was an active member in regards to the Book of Darkness incident back in A's. (( for obvious reasons ))

I'm just in favor that there are background transitional issues between A's and StrikerS, and that when trying to argue the semantics of Old Belkan usage before A's, amongst other things, even if we can factor the establishment of wide-spread CS and NB after A's, obscurity of Old Belka, Church Knights were probably extremely understaffed and Zest is like one in a million.

Anyway, this is getting WAY off the question here. Continue this in generic if you wish to.

As for Kikai's question, I'd say that considering that Mid and Belka was mentioned to be the forefronts during the Old War, the ruins of the war and seeing how Belka only has 1/5th of Mid-childa's grounds as their own in present time, I'd say that it hints greatly that while they are other factions in regards to the war, the primary warring factions were Belka and Mid-childa. Think of it as... I dunno, the Sengoku period, but rather with 2 super powers rather than 3 and rather than Belka being eaten by Mid, there was a peace treaty towards allowing Belka to have their own region.

[Keroko]

Anyway, this is getting WAY off the question here. Continue this in generic if you wish to.

No need, I misunderstood. I thought you were refering to StrikerS. Sorry. :meh:

[Nvis]

What happened to Duo? :sad:

[Keroko]

Due? She got killed by Zest after her very short but memorable role.

[Village Idiot]

Due is confirmed dead as of the latest StrikerS SoundStage.

[Evil Rick]

In SrtikerS, the motives of Jail were mentionated in some episode?

[Vivio Testarossa]

One question, everybody here talk about years, but is it ever stated how long a midchildan year is?

[Comartemis]

Presumably about as long as an Earth year; nothing contradictory on this is ever mentioned to the extent of my knowledge.

[AtomicoX]

In SrtikerS, the motives of Jail were mentionated in some episode?
I don't remember which episode but you are correct. I think it's in one of the episodes near the end.

One question, everybody here talk about years, but is it ever stated how long a midchildan year is?
I agree with Comartemis, nothing goes against that theory and if we also look at the official information and the fandom based on that it makes more sense that it is the same length.
Although it is different planets they should have different time periods, but this argument is taken away if see Mid-childa as an earth in another dimension. I could be VERY wrong with this theory though, I just think it makes sense if I'm not mixing up the whole dimension thing, sorry about that :heh:

[Keroko]

Mid uses the same calender as earth, down to the months. The only exception is the years. I think Seven Arcs simply thought 'why make things difficult? Just give them the same calender.'

[Kha]

And given the exact same climate rules and seasons (even sakuras survive on that alien environment), even if it is Earth in another dimension, there's no telling. It is said that there can only be 1 kind of star, 1 kind of planet makeup, 1 kind of orbit, 1 kind of moon associated, that is actually compatible to life.

Given that, these planets might end up being the exactly the same as Earth. :p

[Keroko]

And given the exact same climate rules and seasons (even sakuras survive on that alien environment),

That was a simulation though, not an actual sakura field. :heh:

even if it is Earth in another dimension, there's no telling. It is said that there can only be 1 kind of star, 1 kind of planet makeup, 1 kind of orbit, 1 kind of moon associated, that is actually compatible to life.

Given that, these planets might end up being the exactly the same as Earth. :p

That theory is still under heavy dispute though. But we're overthinking things, Seven Arcs keeps things like this simple, and it only starts to not mske sense when you start overthinking things, like how Caro was picking apples of a planet that had floating islands.

[Preston]

It is said that there can only be 1 kind of star, 1 kind of planet makeup, 1 kind of orbit, 1 kind of moon associated, that is actually compatible to life.

Given that, these planets might end up being the exactly the same as Earth. :p

The Rare Earth Theory only argues that planets supporting intelligent life similar to ours must be similar to Earth, not identical. Neither has it been proven; it is only a model on which we have (probably) developed, which assumes everything is critical to our development as intelligent life. For example, we have an overly large moon for a planetary body our size, and it gives us unusually severe tides, which were a contributory factor in the evolution of life on our planet. We know very little of the universe, and it's make-up; we can only consider what planetary bodies may be in the Altair system, and that's in the Local Interstellar Cloud.

[Kha]

Well... I was half-seriously trying to rationalize Seven Arcs' bad (or anime-warped) science, then pulled out the rare earth theory out of my ass despite not knowing its name. :heh::p

[Preston]

Well... I was half-seriously trying to rationalize Seven Arcs' bad (or anime-warped) science, then pulled out the rare earth theory out of my ass despite not knowing its name. :heh::p

You've a braver person than I, trying to rationalise Seven Arcs' somewhat inconsistent storytelling (that often gives me the feeling it was made up on the spot). :p

[Keroko]

I take the easy route and justify it because its an anime, and it wouldn't nearly be as cool if they'd follow every law of science correctly. :heh:

It's a fantasy story after all, just let realism go and enjoy it. :D

[Chaos2Frozen]

Calling an Anime out for inconsistent science is like playing basketball with a crippled kid and calling him out for double dribble...

You just gotta let some things slide =_=

[Preston]

Calling an Anime out for inconsistent science is like playing basketball with a crippled kid and calling him out for double dribble...

You just gotta let some things slide =_=

Maybe I was misunderstood. I wasn't referring to the science when I said it was inconsistent. I meant, well, everything (except, as SB said, when you take the series all as individual creations). :p

[Keroko]

*Tilts head* Then what other inconsitencies bother you? Maybe I can help, I'm good at pasting together inconsitencies when it comes to story.

[Preston]

*Tilts head* Then what other inconsitencies bother you? Maybe I can help, I'm good at pasting together inconsitencies when it comes to story.

I don't have any particularly glaring problems with MGLN, just... Most anime strikes me as being quite poorly thought through; the rules that binds the story often seem to be made up on the spot, and clichés so frequently reverted to. An example to contrary would, of course, be Ghost in the Shell (it's universe a work of true brilliance), but MGLN certainly doesn't break the mould for me.

[Vivio Testarossa]

I have some more new questions yet again.

Are "dimensions" in Nanoha universes or galaxies?
If they are universes, is there multiple TSABs and versions of the characters? I.e. a nonmagical version of Nanoha Takamachi.
Is there any healing magic in the Nanohaverse?
Can a unison device perform a unison with another unison device? Can a person have multiple unison devices "junctioned" to them at one time?

[Keroko]

1. We've only seen single worlds, but its safe to say they are all seperate universes.

2. As far as we have seen, no. Each universe seems to have developped on its own, we haven't seen any 'mirror dimensions' yet.

3. Yes. Yuuno and Shamal are both capable healers, and Rein and Nanoha have been shown to have that abillity as well.

4. I wouldn't think a Unison Device can Unison with another UD. That's not what they're made for, after all. As for the second, we don't know.

[Deadwings]

Probably not a question, I needed some info. If it was a question it would probably be "how big is the Nanoha universe?". I just came across a post somewhere around here with a huge timeline with lots of info that I have absolutely no idea where did they came from and while googling I found out that Nanoha was a spin off from some OVAs named Triangle Heart I think. So now I'm completly lost. If there's any gentle soul around, can you tell exactly how many anime seasons (so far I've seen the first, A's and StrikerS), manga releases and/or games/novels exist about Nanoha? God bless the one who answers.

[Evangelion Xgouki]

Probably not a question, I needed some info. If it was a question it would probably be "how big is the Nanoha universe?". I just came across a post somewhere around here with a huge timeline with lots of info that I have absolutely no idea where did they came from and while googling I found out that Nanoha was a spin off from some OVAs named Triangle Heart I think. So now I'm completly lost. If there's any gentle soul around, can you tell exactly how many anime seasons (so far I've seen the first, A's and StrikerS), manga releases and/or games/novels exist about Nanoha? God bless however answers.

Nanoha was based off the game series Triangle Heart. To be more specific, it's based off an off-shoot of the 3rd game called Lyrical Toy Box which featured young Nanoha gaining powers from little fairy Lindy to combat the evil Chrono (weird, isn't it? :heh:). The Nanoha-verse we all know currently has:

3 TV series
-Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha (13 eps)
-Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha A's (13 eps, 6 months later)
-Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS (26 eps, ~10 years later, not counting epilogue time skip)

Movie
-Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha THE MOVIE 1st (re-telling of season 1, coming soon)

Manga
-Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha A's
-Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha A's to StrikerS

Novel
-Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha (re-telling of season 1)

In terms of timeline...check out this post (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1097265&postcount=6536) on the OCT (MC 065 is the Earth year 2005).

There are also several CD Dramas and other bits on the OSTs. I think I covered most of it...

[Comartemis]

There are only three seasons of the anime, with an upcoming movie due out sometime this winter (or was it next winter?) which is essentially a slightly-modified retelling of Nanoha season 1. There are also two manga series, one for A's and one for StrikerS, both of which can be found at onemanga.com. The A's manga expands on the events of Nanoha A's by examining certain viewpoints from the various characters at various points in the series, for instance there's one chapter that could be summed up as "A Day in the Life of Hayate Yagami" gives a more in-depth look at Hayate's attitude and feelings towards her life and the Wolkenritter, while another looks at Fate's interactions with Suzuka and Arisa during a normal day at school. Turns out Suzuka's pretty spectacular at sports. :eek:

The StrikerS manga is similar to the A's manga but it has a more coherent feeling of being a story instead of just snippets and the like. It expands a great deal on Subaru's backstory and her history with Teana, the creation of Riot Force Six, and the Ace's first encounter with Jail's Gadgets, among other things.

A single novel exists to my knowledge but I'm not sure whether it's regarded as canon around here, as there's a line in there that paints the TSAB in a somewhat more negative light than it is in the rest of the series, something about abducting potential mages from non-magical planets I think.

The Triangle Heart series has little to do with Nanoha save for a few recurring characters. There are a few references made to Triangle Heart in the first season but those are easy to miss and not altogether important to enjoying the series.

In addition to everything mentioned above, there are a variety of Sound Stages, music cds containing audio tracks that expand on the events of the series somewhat, sort of like a radio show that's been prerecorded and put on a disk for you. Most of these are not necessary to understand or appreciate the story, and I disregard them entirely when working on the Original Characters thread. There's one, however, that contains a completely new story set after StrikerS and focuses on the Forwards. You'll have to ask Keroko or one of the others about that one, but translations of many of the Sound Stages can be found in the music thread.

Hope this helps.

[Deadwings]

Thank you both Evangelion Xgouki and Comartemis. I think I'll proceed first with the mangas and then take a look at the CD dramas.
Evil Chrono... sounds interesting hehe. Probably I'll check that too.

[krisslanza]

More on Triangle Hearts...
I believe Arisa is a vampire in it or something? Suzuka doesn't exist in it, nor does Fate. Chrono was indeed the villian but is Nanoha's love interest... Should go without saying that none of the Wolkenritter or Hayate existed or anyone from StrikerS :heh:

It's all very different. :P

[Comartemis]

From what I understand, Alisa Bannings was a ghost with a grudge against living people. Nanoha helped her find peace. Suzuka didn't exist in Triangle Heart, but I think Kyoya's girlfriend, Noel or whatever her name was, was a member or a servant of the Tsukimura family.

[JINNSK]

From what I understand, Alisa Bannings was a ghost with a grudge against living people. Nanoha helped her find peace. Suzuka didn't exist in Triangle Heart, but I think Kyoya's girlfriend, Noel or whatever her name was, was a member or a servant of the Tsukimura family.

Let me add some points.
Alisa's family name in TH3 is Lowell not Bannings.
Kyouya's girlfriend's name is Tsukimura Shinobu(月村 忍) and Noel is an android created by Shinobu.

[Keroko]

Probably not a question, I needed some info. If it was a question it would probably be "how big is the Nanoha universe?". I just came across a post somewhere around here with a huge timeline with lots of info that I have absolutely no idea where did they came from and while googling I found out that Nanoha was a spin off from some OVAs named Triangle Heart I think. So now I'm completly lost. If there's any gentle soul around, can you tell exactly how many anime seasons (so far I've seen the first, A's and StrikerS), manga releases and/or games/novels exist about Nanoha? God bless the one who answers.

Adding to Eva's list:

3 TV series
-Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha (13 eps)
-Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha A's (13 eps, 6 months later)
-Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS (26 eps, ~10 years later, not counting epilogue time skip)

Movie
-Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha THE MOVIE 1st (re-telling of season 1, coming soon)

Manga
-Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha A's
-Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha A's to StrikerS

Sound Stages/Drama CD's
-Nanoha Sound Stage 01
-Nanoha Sound Stage 02
-Nanoha Sound Stage 03
-Megami Sound Stage 1

-Nanoha A's Sound Stage 01
-Nanoha A's Sound Stage 02
-Nanoha A's Sound Stage 03
-Megami Sound Stage 2

-Nanoha StrikerS Sound Stage 01
-Nanoha StrikerS Sound Stage 02
-Nanoha StrikerS Sound Stage 03
-Nanoha StrikerS Sound Stage 04
-Megami Sound Stage 3
-StrikerS Sound Stage X (story set 3 years after StrikerS and centers on the StrikerS cast, specifically the Teana, Subaru and the numbers)

Novel
-Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha (re-telling of season 1, though the novel sometimes takes a different course)

That about covers all of the Nanoha material I think.

[Vivio Testarossa]

Question concerning naming. Is it Raising Heart or Raging Heart? Belka or Velka?

[Keroko]

Raising Heart, Belka.

[PhoenixG]

@Keroko

The other sound stages are also drama CDs

[Keroko]

Ah, figured they were just sound stages because of the names. What makes a Sound Stage a Sound Stage or a Drama CD anyway?

[Evangelion Xgouki]

Ah, figured they were just sound stages because of the names. What's the makes a Sound Stage a Sound Stage or a Drama CD anyway?

I think that's how they opted to name them. Unlike the Drama CDs, the SoundStages are a mix of OST and a few drama tracks if I recall.

[PhoenixG]

Ah, figured they were just sound stages because of the names. What makes a Sound Stage a Sound Stage or a Drama CD anyway?

Sound Stage is just what 7arc named these drama cds

* Wonders why "Sound stage" X is labeled by keroko as drama cd while the other aren't"

@Eva
Ohter drama CDs also have a mix of music tracks and drama tracks

[Keroko]

Mostly because it had its own seperate storyline while the others were more 'in between' moments. I figured the difference between Sound Stages and Drama CD's were that Drama CD's were stand-alone.

[Nya~n]

Question: does the helicopter in Riot Force 6 have a call sign? Like Long Arch-03 or something?


edit: thanks, Keroko.

[Keroko]

The helicopter's type is a JF704, but for a 'callsign', it shares the name of the Device uploaded in it: Storm Raider.

[Kha]

Flurry of questions, with answers backed up with sources if possible:

1. Which is Verossa's family name: Acous or Verossa?

2. What is his family background?

3. Apart from Chrono's passing mention of Carym to be Verossa's sister in law, are there any other details of Verossa's and Carym's ties?

4. Is Carym married?

[dokupan]

Flurry of questions, with answers backed up with sources if possible:

1. Which is Verossa's family name: Acous or Verossa?

2. What is his family background?

3. Apart from Chrono's passing mention of Carym to be Verossa's sister in law, are there any other details of Verossa's and Carym's ties?

4. Is Carym married?

Edited (again...) for accuracy. (...and to save face. :uhoh:)

1. His family name is Acous.

2. It appears that he was orphaned as a child and "picked up" (拾われた) by the Gracia family but it's unclear whether they actually adopted him into their family or if they just had him placed in the care of the Church.

3. The word used for Carim's relation to Verossa is "義姉" (and "義弟" for the opposite) which I've seen translated as both "sister-in-law" and "stepsister." (I'm guessing it works in the same way as "義父" which can be translated as "father-in-law," "stepfather," or "foster father.")

4. Unknown.

[Nya~n]

Magical ranking question:

Is it
S- < S < S+ or
S < S- < S+?

If it's S- < S, doesn't that mean it's the same as AAA+?

[AtomicoX]

As far as I know, it's: S- < S < SS < SSS

And I guess S- is inbetween AAA+ and S...

[Vivio Testarossa]

As far as I know, it's: S- < S < SS < SSS

And I guess S- is inbetween AAA+ and S...

Anything greater than SSS? How is "rank" determined?

[Comartemis]

SSS+ is the highest possible rank, but those kind of capabilities would be akin to DBZ stuff. The highest we've ever seen is Hayate, who's a "synthetic" SS-rank. Presumably the synthetic part means that she doesn't have complete control over her abilities or that she's useless without Rein II or something like that.

Ranks seem to be determined partially by power and partially by a mage's ability to accomplish tasks related to their area of expertise. For instance, if Subaru had decided to be a medic instead of a ground combat mage, her advancement exam would have been related to healing magic instead of a combat examination.

[Liingo]

There's no official ranking higher than SSS. The highest ranking we've ever seen in series is Hayate, who's SS.

Rank is determined by a number of factors. How skilled an individual is as well as how much 'mana' that someone has plays a big part of it. Case in point would be a discussion back in season one where it's mentioned that nanoha and fate have x amounts of 'mana' in comparison to chrono's amount, which IRC was slightly less than that of Nanoha and Fates, but he still ranked higher due to his skill and technique.

So coming back to Nya~n's question about the difference between AAA+ and S-, it would likely be either a difference in skill level, or a difference in 'mana', as opposed to AAA+ and S, where it would be a combination of the two major factors above, in addition to anything else that rank is based on.

[TheShinySword]

What exactly are Inspectors?

[Keroko]

Depends, which character did you get the term from?

[TheShinySword]

Depends, which character did you get the term from?

Verossa Acous

[Keroko]

Ah, Accous, well they're the intelligence department of the TSAB. They find out where the people they are looking for are hiding and what they are planning, investigating possible Lost Logia, and so on.

[TheShinySword]

:D thanks very much

[Vivio Testarossa]

Ah, Accous, well they're the intelligence department of the TSAB. They find out where the people they are looking for are hiding and what they are planning, investigating possible Lost Logia, and so on.

So basically put they are the "CIA" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency) of the TSAB?

[Estavali]

While searching Nanohawiki for some info on the Saint Church, it has come to my attention that the Belkan/German term for 聖王 there is actually Heiliger Kaiser ("Holy King/Emperor"). A check on episode 25 (2:08 of this link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F0cWsxzSvA)) showed that the Cradle also addressed its master by the same term.

The irritating thing is that on nanoha.com (http://www.nanoha.com/archive3/character/sk_vivio.html), Adult-Viv is labeled as the Sankt Kaiser instead.

While the meanings are essentially similar and only nitpickers like me would be disgusted over the lack of consistency, I thought maybe this little bit of info might be useful for anyone interested.

[Keroko]

Hmm? But 聖 translates to saint, doesn't it?

I mean, the Cradle can be explained that it was merely referring to its master in a more formal rather then official way.

[Estavali]

Hmm? But 聖 translates to saint, doesn't it?

I mean, the Cradle can be explained that it was merely referring to its master in a more formal rather then official way.

Not sure about Japanese, but in Chinese 聖 can mean both holy and saint (though I expect the same from Japanese as well).

And saints are supposed to be holy wo/men, though a critical review of their lives sometimes prove these people to fail badly in moral examinations =3.

[Keroko]

Double checked, 聖 can mean both in Japanese as well.

[Aaron008R]

Just double checking...

In StrikerS, just where is Hayate's new Tome of the Night Sky stored? =/
Is it stored inside Schwertkreuz, or inside of Hayate herself?

Thanks in advance.:3

[Keroko]

Considering it is a standard storage device, I would say inside Schwertkruez.

Notice how in episode 10 she grabs Schwertkruez before summoning the tome, for example. It doesn't prove anything, but it does support it being stored inside Schwertkruez.

[Aaron008R]

I guess I'll go with that, then.:3 Jimmy said the same.

Thanks.:)

[dokupan]

Found a couple interesting things at NanohaWiki (http://nanoha.julynet.jp/).


Schwertkreuz (http://nanoha.julynet.jp/?%A5%C7%A5%D0%A5%A4%A5%B9%2FStrikerS%2F%CD%BB%B9%E 7%B7%BF%A5%C7%A5%D0%A5%A4%A5%B9#e1bd03ef)

はやての大規模魔法に耐え得る頑強さを確保するため、AIもカートリッジシステムも搭載しないシンプルな構 造になっている。
なのは達のインテリジェントデバイスやシグナム達のアームドデバイスとは異なり、ストレージ機能も無い、た だの魔法発動媒体に過ぎない。（ただし、ストレージデバイスである「夜天の書」があるのでシュベルトクロイ ツにはストレージ機能は必要無い。）

To guarantee that it would be able to sustain the power of Hayate's wide area magic it was given a simple structure without an AI or a Cartridge System.
It's not like Nanoha and the others Intelligent Devices or like Signum and the others Armed Devices, nor does it have a storage function. It's nothing more than a medium to invoke magic. (That's because with the "Book of the Night Sky" being a Storage Device a storage function for the Schwertkreuz was not neccesary.)


Book of the Night Sky (http://nanoha.julynet.jp/?%A5%C7%A5%D0%A5%A4%A5%B9%2FStrikerS%2F%CD%BB%B9%E 7%B7%BF%A5%C7%A5%D0%A5%A4%A5%B9#ia050cd1)

はやてが自分の記憶野にない魔法を使用する場合、ここからの読み込みが必要となるため、発動にタイムラグが 生じる。

For Hayate to use magic not in her own field of memory, it is necessary for her to read into the book, which in turn creates a time lag in the spell's invocation. Ew, poor phrasing. :X


So perhaps the book is actually the book? :uhoh:

[Aaron008R]

Found a couple interesting things at NanohaWiki (http://nanoha.julynet.jp/).


Schwertkreuz (http://nanoha.julynet.jp/?%A5%C7%A5%D0%A5%A4%A5%B9%2FStrikerS%2F%CD%BB%B9%E 7%B7%BF%A5%C7%A5%D0%A5%A4%A5%B9#e1bd03ef)

はやての大規模魔法に耐え得る頑強さを確保するため、AIもカートリッジシステムも搭載しないシンプルな構 造になっている。
なのは達のインテリジェントデバイスやシグナム達のアームドデバイスとは異なり、ストレージ機能も無い、た だの魔法発動媒体に過ぎない。（ただし、ストレージデバイスである「夜天の書」があるのでシュベルトクロイ ツにはストレージ機能は必要無い。）

To guarantee that it would be able to sustain the power of Hayate's wide area magic it was given a simple structure without an AI or a Cartridge System.
It's not like Nanoha and the others Intelligent Devices or like Signum and the others Armed Devices, nor does it have a storage function. It's nothing more than a medium to invoke magic. (That's because with the "Book of the Night Sky" being a Storage Device a storage function for the Schwertkreuz was not neccesary.)

It makes sense...:eyespin::eyespin::eyespin: And no problem with that matter too. The only thing is... Does having no storage function mean the new Tome can't be stored in it or not? More ambiguity from the producers?! D:


EDIT: On second thought, it might just be called Storage Function referring to how Storage Devices work. but what the heck.

Still!

<shakes fist at the direction of Japan>

DAMN YOU, 7ARCS!!!:frustrated::frustrated::frustrated:

Book of the Night Sky (http://nanoha.julynet.jp/?%A5%C7%A5%D0%A5%A4%A5%B9%2FStrikerS%2F%CD%BB%B9%E 7%B7%BF%A5%C7%A5%D0%A5%A4%A5%B9#ia050cd1)

はやてが自分の記憶野にない魔法を使用する場合、ここからの読み込みが必要となるため、発動にタイムラグが 生じる。

For Hayate to use magic not in her own field of memory, it is necessary for her to read into the book, which in turn creates a time lag in the spell's invocation. Ew, poor phrasing. :X

Ooh... So she can still cast her other inherited spells as long as she has them memorized... >:3 I could use this.:D

So perhaps the book is actually the book? :uhoh:

Nah. More like she needs a quick reference since I doubt she could memorize all and recite the sheer number of spells from the original Tome at short notice.XD

Though there's no mention with regards to other restrictions on the new Tome. Exceelleeeent... >:3


Thanks for the info, dokupan!:D:bow:

[Vivio Testarossa]

Ooh... So she can still cast her other inherited spells as long as she has them memorized... >:3 I could use this.:D

Somehow I think spell casting is more complex than that... knowing how to cast spell-X doesn't always imply being able to use spell-X. ;)


Nah. More like she needs a quick reference since I doubt she could memorize all and recite the sheer number of spells from the original Tome at short notice.XD

Somehow I doubt she could memorize all of the spells in the book. :)

[Avatar_notADV]

Hm... so there's three components to a device - storing the structure of the magical spells, supporting the mage during the actual casting of the spells, and boosting the power of the mage's spells.

Raising Heart fills all three roles, but Hayate's devices don't. In a way, it makes sense. A lot of Hayate's spells are complicated, slow-casting ritual magic, and she has a much larger variety of them than the other characters, so it's not a surprise that she can profit from a device with a heavy emphasis on spell storage and support. At the same time, those spells are already high in magical output (to the point of ridiculousness?), so a separate device to facilitate the actual casting makes sense. Furthermore, because the staff's not a sentient device, Hayate can run it into the ground if she has to, and just swap it out like a worn-out cannon barrel after things are done.

So what's Rein's function? Hayate says she helps control, but we don't really know if Hayate needs the help or not; it's entirely possible that she's mostly redundant for Hayate's own skill set, which would mean having her merge with Vita or Signum is a better use of her talents. But I dunno...

[Keroko]

In the second episode, Hayate admits that her control is on the low side without support, and later on she also needs help from Long Arch in accuracy. Rein usually helps her with that while in Unison.

[Nya~n]

Hayate specialises in using big-ass spells, which are normally hard to control. For Nanoha and Fate, Raising Heart and Bardiche helps them to off-set this disadvantage by helping them to target as per their functions as Intelligent Devices.

On the other hand, Buch von Dunkelheit and Schwertkreuz are Magical Tome and Armed Devices respectively, both of which are are not 'Intelligent'. Therefore, Hayate has to control her spells by herself, which is very taxing, as she has to calculations and charging of the spell all by herself. Having Rein, who is sentient, who plays the part that Raising Heart and Bardiche plays, means that she is helping Hayate with the minor details(such as targetting) so that she(Hayate) can focus on her spells.

[PhoenixG]

Nanoha doesn't use RH for control, she control everything by herself.

*points to A's eps 1*

[Comartemis]

Correction, Nanoha may not be reliant on RH, but she obviously helps with Nanoha's control. In A's episode 1 she struggles to control one Divine Shooter without RH's help. In season one she commonly had between 2 and 4 flying around when she was using RH. Never mind the eight rounds she controls with Axel Shooter.

[dokupan]

Been poking around NanohaWiki and found some more stuff on the Schwertkreuz. It has, like, 3 different articles. X<

(These only reaffirm what we already know/have guessed at but you can never have too much information, amirite? :B)

---

一般的なデバイスのように魔法管制・記録能力はほとんど無く、杖本体は加速・圧縮などの魔力サポートのみを 行っている。都築氏によると「単なる砲身」とのこと。
この理由は不明だが敢えて推定すると、はやての場合には、魔導書本体がストレージとなり、融合したリインフ ォースが管制をしているため、一般的なデバイスの機能が不要なのではないかと推測される。

Unlike the commonly-used devices it has very little magic control or record(ing) ability. It's structure is meant only to offer magic support such as acceleration and compression. According to Tsuzuki it is "merely a gun barrel."
The reason behind this is unknown, however one can assume that, with a magical tome's structure being meant for storage, and that when in unison with Reinforce it is she who manages control, the functions of commonly-used devices would not be necessary for Hayate.

---

So that would explain Rein's purpose.
(Mind you, this article was written for A's (hence why it says 'Reinforce' rather that 'Reinforce II') but it's probably still the same nowadays.)

Still nothing on where the new Book Tome of the Night Sky is stored though. :/

[Kha]

Isn't floating in hammerspace enough? That's what I use for tome devices, which I have lots of. :p

[Skane]

Do bear in mind that this is an universe in which cards and tiny trinkets can transform into fully functional staff weapons, rofl-blades, guns, oversized lances, etc... and Barrier Jackets virtually materialise out of thin air.

Keeping a tome out of sight, when not in use, is no sweat in comparison really.

Cheers.

[Village Idiot]

Most likely its simply matter/energy conversion.

Its unlikely that Across created that cake out of nothing. Its probably just stored in another dimension or something.

[Evil Rick]

Fate's Sister

Is spelled Alisia Testarrosa or Alicia Testarrosa?

[TheShinySword]

Fate's Sister

Is spelled Alisia Testarrosa or Alicia Testarrosa?

Alicia (Due to the fact Alisia isn't a name)

[Evil Rick]

Thank you very much :)

[EternalMelody]

I just watched Nanoha, didn't know such a good anime exist. I thought it was some goodie2 kawaii2 Disney like show so I didn't bother watching it at first. But then because of people with Nanoha/Fate sigs and avatars it has gotten into my curiosity. Wow. I liked that StrikerS moment when Nanoha blasted Teana and when Signum punched her. She deserved every bit of it. Long live the White Devil and Fate! Is season 4 announced yet?

[Evil Rick]

I just watched Nanoha, didn't know such a good anime exist. I thought it was some goodie2 kawaii2 Disney like show so I didn't bother watching it at first. But then because of people with Nanoha/Fate sigs and avatars it has gotten into my curiosity. Wow. I liked that StrikerS moment when Nanoha blasted Teana and when Signum punched her. She deserved every bit of it. Long live the White Devil and Fate! Is season 4 announced yet?

No, And I hope that they'll never decide to make a season 4 :upset:

But a movie has been anounced alredy ;)

Check here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=69348)

EDIT: Oh, Wait, there exists a rumor of afourth season, that rumor started out of this photo

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9430/1217249358862zi2.th.jpg (http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1217249358862zi2.jpg)

Personally, I hopes that it's only a rumor, but well, hope it has been usefull for you

[Kha]

That isn't exactly a rumor, more like a sidestory that occurs on a CD Drama. However, its anyone's guess if they are going to make a 4th season out of it. If they do, it won't be a 4th season per se, but an entire series on its own, focused on the forwards.

They really should rename the series to be Magical Lyrical in that case...

[Keroko]

Considering the Sound Stage was names Strikers Sound Stage X, its possible the fourth season, if any, will start with StrikerS.

[TheShinySword]

Magical Babysi-
I mean Magical Girl Lyrical Vivio :P
If we see another series I think it'll be about our favorite blob

[Keroko]

I hope so, though if that's the case we'd be looking at a 5-6 year timeskip after StrikerS at the least, considering Vivio is still in school 3 years after StrikerS.

[Kha]

Vivio looks to be receiving Yuuno treatment though. :/

And I know that something with StrikerS is a safe bet; what I mean is that, now that the anime series is no longer just about Nanoha, her name and Girl should be dropped from the title, but keep the rest to preserve the link.

Magical Lyrical StrikerS, not just StrikerS. Magical Lyrical Seishoujo Vivio. Magical Lyrical SEED Destiny...

That's right; just like a mecha anime! :p

[Evil Rick]

If a fourth season takes as protagonist Vivio (character that I like btw) or any of the stupid, empty, wasted characters of StrikerS (Subaru, Teana, Erio, Caro, etc...)

There is only one title that I can found for it

Epic Fail

[Comartemis]

I fail to see your logic there, Rick. You haven't even heard what the concept or plot for this theoretical season 4 is, but you've already labeled it EPIC FAIL? Even I waited until I'd actually seen and been disappointed by BetrayerS before I made similar claims....

[EternalMelody]

I won't really like it if the focus switches from Nanoha/Fate to some other characters to be honest. If they do that they should change the title. No longer Mahou Shoujo Lyrical NANOHA. Otherwise it'd be like Mai-Otome where Mai didn't even make an appearance till like ep 20 or something.

[Comartemis]

I like the general universe 7Arcs has created. I'd be a little disappointed if they switched away from Nanoha and Fate, but I'd still watch the series and the new characters. Personally I like the idea of a Nanoha version of Gundam's Universal Century, with each new generation of characters linked to the previous.

[Evil Rick]

I like the general universe 7Arcs has created. I'd be a little disappointed if they switched away from Nanoha and Fate, but I'd still watch the series and the new characters. Personally I like the idea of a Nanoha version of Gundam's Universal Century, with each new generation of characters linked to the previous.

New characters linked to previus ones? When I heared that before...

Oh, yeah, Dragon Ball and Digimon

...

Ultimate Fail!!!

[Comartemis]

Are you going to explain why you think that way, Rick, or are you just going to keep shooting your mouth off and making yourself look like an idiot?

Whatever you do, do it in the general discussion thread. This is moving away from question/answer stuff.

[Evangelion Xgouki]

New characters linked to previus ones? When I heared that before...

Oh, yeah, Dragon Ball and Digimon

...

Ultimate Fail!!!

Huh...what other series were like that...

Tsubasa Chronicles
xxxHolic
Chobits
Fullmetal Panic! Fumoffu
Fullmetal Panic! The Second Raid
Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
Great Mazinger
Mazinkaiser
Shin Getter Robo
Getter Robo Armageddon
Kotetsushin Jeeg

Oh, didn't Nanoha A's have characters from a previous series, too?

Yup...all these series are really horrible with their character ties to previous series :rolleyes:

[Evil Rick]

Are you going to explain why you think that way, Rick, or are you just going to keep shooting your mouth off and making yourself look like an idiot?

Whatever you do, do it in the general discussion thread. This is moving away from question/answer stuff.

Kids, learn the lesson that Comartemis has though us today

If you cannot convice someone to change his mind, simply call him Idiot

:hyper-^v^::hyper-^v^::hyper-^v^::hyper-^v^::hyper-^v^:

Oh, yeah, do not worry, I just asked in the propery thread for the craetion of a thread dedicated to disscus the theme of a fourth season

Hope the moderators to create one :)

[Evangelion Xgouki]

Kids, learn the lesson that Comartemis has though us today

If you cannot convice someone to change his mind, simply call him Idiot

:hyper-^v^::hyper-^v^::hyper-^v^::hyper-^v^::hyper-^v^:

I believe that is a misinterpretation of what he was saying :p

And the emotes were soo uncalled for

------------------

And getting back on topic a 4th season with Vivio as the main focus would be pretty cool. Though how they handle it...so many possibilities. We've already seen the military and part of the political side of the TSAB. So have a series on mage schooling or even the Saint Church would be interesting to watch. Or maybe even with Vivio older so see basic training or what other off-world missions on both Administered and Non-Administered Worlds are like.

[Vivio Testarossa]

Kids, learn the lesson that Comartemis has though us today

If you cannot convice someone to change his mind, simply call him Idiot

:hyper-^v^::hyper-^v^::hyper-^v^::hyper-^v^::hyper-^v^:

Oh, yeah, do not worry, I just asked in the propery thread for the craetion of a thread dedicated to disscus the theme of a fourth season

Hope the moderators to create one :)

But wouldn't such a thread just be unverifiable speculation... somehow I don't think they would create a thread on those grounds... Not that I wouldn't like such a season to be made As long as there are LOLIs... but...

[TheShinySword]

two random questions

1. What's Vita's height (also does a height chart exist for the characters?)
2. What are the different uniforms for the different groups in the TSAB (like enforcers, instructors etc...)

[Keroko]

1: An accurate height? I don't think I can be of any help there...

2: This one though, I can answer.

Navy: Blue
Ground Forces: Brown
Air Forces (Nanoha's uniform is of the Air Forces): White-blue
Agents (Enforcers isn't really an accurate translation): Black

[TheShinySword]

1: An accurate height? I don't think I can be of any help there...

2: This one though, I can answer.

Navy: Blue
Ground Forces: Brown
Air Forces (Nanoha's uniform is of the Air Forces): White-blue
Agents (Enforcers isn't really an accurate translation): Black

Thanks Kero ^^;;;

[JINNSK]

two random questions

1. What's Vita's height (also does a height chart exist for the characters?)
2. What are the different uniforms for the different groups in the TSAB (like enforcers, instructors etc...)

Vita's accurate height is unknown.Some character's height are mentioned in the bunch of rough sketches Side B.I put only information of major characters.
Nanoha 160cm
Hayate 154～150cm
Subaru 154cm
Signum 167cm
Yuuno 168cm

If you want to know other characters,these pictures will help you.(these pictures support all characters excepting Zafira and Shach)
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/th_Side_B_0001.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/Side_B_0001.jpg)
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/th_Side_B_0061.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/Side_B_0061.jpg)

[TheShinySword]

Vita's accurate height is unknown.Some character's height are mentioned in the bunch of rough sketches Side B.I put only information of major characters.
Nanoha 160cm
Hayate 154～150cm
Subaru 154cm
Signum 167cm
Yuuno 168cm

If you want to know other characters,these pictures will help you.(these pictures support all characters excepting Zafira and Shach)
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/th_Side_B_0001.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/Side_B_0001.jpg)
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/th_Side_B_0061.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/Side_B_0061.jpg)

:c no zaffy But thanks a lot :3 *never realized how small Hayate is :p*

[Vivio Testarossa]

Nanoha 160cm
Hayate 154～150cm
Subaru 154cm
Signum 167cm
Yuuno 168cm

Do happen to know Fate's height? These values are for height only applies to StrikerS, do you happen to have a similar chart for A's/Nanoha?


http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/th_Side_B_0001.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/Side_B_0001.jpg)

One of the characters in the sketch kinda looks like Barret from FF7. :heh:

[Evil Rick]

two random questions

1. What's Vita's height (also does a height chart exist for the characters?)


There isn't an oficial height for the characters in the official cite, but I think Vita is like 1,20 1,25 :cool:

[AtomicoX]

^ I agree, that seems probable. If you compare with Hayate on the pic and assume she is somewhere between 150-155, 120-125 seems plausible.

[dokupan]

These values are for height only applies to StrikerS, do you happen to have a similar chart for A's/Nanoha?

I do. It's missing a few characters though... :<

http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq359/dokupan/th_SideA_001.jpg (http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq359/dokupan/SideA_001.jpg)

[TheShinySword]

mm I think I'll use that

[EternalMelody]

two random questions

1. What's Vita's height (also does a height chart exist for the characters?)
2. What are the different uniforms for the different groups in the TSAB (like enforcers, instructors etc...)

She's pretty short, that's for sure. A lot shorter than Hayate. Maybe 120-130. But then again, those knights don't age.

[Tormenk]

Big Vivio is BIG. Her teen form stands the highest among the female cast, that and among her other assets. :heh:

Also, having Jail next to Acous does serve to highlight how similar they are in design. Too bad they didn't have the two as one person, else the TSAB vs Saint Church vs RF6 scenario might have been possible.

[Avatar_notADV]

Enforcer might not be accurate, but it's official. ;p

[Vivio Testarossa]

I do. It's missing a few characters though... :<

http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq359/dokupan/th_SideA_001.jpg (http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq359/dokupan/SideA_001.jpg)

Thanks for the image... though Feito doesn't seem to be in it. :(

[EternalMelody]

Thanks for the image... though Feito doesn't seem to be in it. :(

She's not in that one but she's in the other one.
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/th_Side_B_0001.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/Side_B_0001.jpg)

[Keroko]

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/th_Side_B_0001.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/Side_B_0001.jpg)

Big Vivio is BIG. Her teen form stands the highest among the female cast, that and among her other assets. :heh:

Excellent. :D I was wondering how tall teen Vivio is, to find out she towers above the female cast is most pleasing.

Enforcer might not be accurate, but it's official. ;p

It is? Darn. *goes to make several edits on written pieces*

And I had just gotten used to Agent too. :eyespin:

[JINNSK]

Do happen to know Fate's height? These values are for height only applies to StrikerS, do you happen to have a similar chart for A's/Nanoha?


One of the characters in the sketch kinda looks like Barret from FF7. :heh:

Fate's height is not mentined.

A lot of people seem to be interested in their height.ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.is it so important?:heh:
In my previous post,I omited source of values.This time,I put source and pictures.

Note1:"ぐらい","ほぼ" and "約" mean "about" in English.please don't be serious when those words is used.

Note2:Reinforce Zwei and Garyu can change their size(Perhaps,Agito too)

Nanoha(From Megane page)
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/th_Side_B_0053.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/Side_B_0053.jpg)
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19歳なのはと同じ身長です(160cm)
Translation
same height as 19 age Nanoha(160cm).


Hayate,Subaru and Mariel(From Mariel page)
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/th_Side_B_0048.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/Side_B_0048.jpg)
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スバル-154cm
マリエル-150cmぐらい
※はやてより低いです


Translation
Subaru-154cm
Mariel-about 150cm
note She is shoter than Hayate

Because of this,Mariel(about 150cm) < Hayate < Subaru(154cm).


Signum and Yuuno(From Yuuno page)
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/th_Side_A_0075.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/Side_A_0075.jpg)
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身長168cm
参考 シグナム167cm

TranslationHeight is 168cm
For your information,Signum's height is 167cm



Zafira(Wolf mode)
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/th_Side_A_0056.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/Side_A_0056.jpg)
Value is not mentioned.Compare to Vita.


Reinforce Zwei
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/th_Side_A_0057.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/Side_A_0057.jpg)

Original☆身長30センチぐらいです
TranslationHeight is about 30cm


Alto and Lucino
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/th_Side_A_0065.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/Side_A_0065.jpg)
Compare to Shamal.Alto is shoter than Shamal.Lucino is taller than Shamal.


Chrono
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/th_Side_A_0073.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/Side_A_0073.jpg)

Originalヴァイスとほぼ同じです
Translationsame as Vice


Lindy
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/th_Side_A_0076.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/Side_A_0076.jpg)
Original二人の中間ぐらい
Translationbetween Nanoha and Fate


Schach
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/th_Side_A_0080.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/Side_A_0080.jpg)

Original身長はやてと同じです
Translationsame tall as Hayate


Garyu
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/th_Side_A_0100.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/Side_A_0100.jpg)

Original最大 ゼストより低いです
最小 アギトとほぼ同じ
TranslationMax shoter than Zest
Min same as Agito


Chrono,Amy and children
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/th_Side_B_0046.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/Side_B_0046.jpg)

Originalエイミィ なのはと同じ身長です
TranslationAmy is same tall as Nanoha


Big Freed
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/th_Side_A_0043.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/Side_A_0043.jpg) http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/th_Side_B_0105.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/Side_B_0105.jpg)
Value is not mentioned.Compare to Caro.


Voltale
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/th_Side_B_0107.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/Side_B_0107.jpg)

Original約15メートルぐらいです
TranslationAbout 15m


Auris
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/th_Side_A_0089.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/Side_A_0089.jpg)

Original170cmぐらい
Translationabout 170cm


Nanoha,Fate,Subaru and Ginga with BJ
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/th_Side_A_0069.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/Side_A_0069.jpg)

Original<スバル>
☆ローラー装備時
目線の高さ
なのは(バリアジャケット)とほぼ同じになります

<ギンガ>
☆ローラー装備時
目線の高さ
フェイト(バリアジャケット)とほぼ同じになります
Translation<Subaru>
When Subaru is wearing roller,eye position is same as Nanoha is wearing BJ.

<Ginga>
When Ginga is wearing roller,eye position is same as Fate is wearing BJ.

[Vivio Testarossa]

Fate's height is not mentined.

A lot of people seem to be interested in their height.ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.is it so important?:heh:
In my previous post,I omited source of values.This time,I put source and pictures.

Note1:"ぐらい","ほぼ" and "約" mean "about" in English.please don't be serious when those words is used.

Note2:Reinforce Zwei and Garyu can change their size(Perhaps,Agito too)

Nanoha(From Megane page)
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/th_Side_B_0053.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/Side_B_0053.jpg)
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Hayate,Subaru and Mariel(From Mariel page)
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/th_Side_B_0048.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/Side_B_0048.jpg)
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Because of this,Mariel(about 150cm) < Hayate < Subaru(154cm).


Signum and Yuuno(From Yuuno page)
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/th_Side_A_0075.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/Side_A_0075.jpg)
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Zafira(Wolf mode)
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/th_Side_A_0056.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/Side_A_0056.jpg)
Value is not mentioned.Compare to Vita.


Reinforce Zwei
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/th_Side_A_0057.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/Side_A_0057.jpg)

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Alto and Lucino
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/th_Side_A_0065.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/Side_A_0065.jpg)
Compare to Shamal.Alto is shoter than Shamal.Lucino is taller than Shamal.


Chrono
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/th_Side_A_0073.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/Side_A_0073.jpg)

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Lindy
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/th_Side_A_0076.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/Side_A_0076.jpg)
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Schach
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/th_Side_A_0080.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/Side_A_0080.jpg)

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Garyu
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/th_Side_A_0100.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/Side_A_0100.jpg)

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Chrono,Amy and children
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/th_Side_B_0046.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/Side_B_0046.jpg)

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Big Freed
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/th_Side_A_0043.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/Side_A_0043.jpg) http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/th_Side_B_0105.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/Side_B_0105.jpg)
Value is not mentioned.Compare to Caro.


Voltale
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/th_Side_B_0107.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/Side_B_0107.jpg)

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Auris
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/th_Side_A_0089.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/Side_A_0089.jpg)

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Nanoha,Fate,Subaru and Ginga with BJ
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/th_Side_A_0069.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_a/Side_A_0069.jpg)

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Reinforce Zwei is 30cm (12in, = 1ft)? I would have thought 15~20cm. (~6in)

[Nya~n]

Darn, I seem to have load of question around lately.

What makes the distinction between Ancient Belka system and Modern Belka system? What is the thing that makes them significant enough to be classified slightly differently from each other?

[Kha]

That's why this thread exists. :D

I'm not too sure if there was any canon datafax about this, but from what we've gathered so far, it is because the Modern Belka system is a Midchilda emulation of an old, dying but niche-use school of magic, which in this case, is the Ancient Belka system.

As a side note, with the recent Jail incident, I believe tactical analysts will think more favorably of Belka auxiliaries, since the Belka emphasis on personal strength made them more resistant to the "cheap" AMF.

[Nya~n]

So... Modern Belka is like Ancient Belka with Mid-Childan buffs?

[Comartemis]

Something like that.

The only Ancient Belka users we've seen in action (as in "in pitched combat", not standing around casting support magic like Shamal) are Zest, Signum, and Vita, and every magic attack that we've seen from these guys are either of the physical attack kind (melee and solid matter attacks like Vita's Swallow Fliers) or make use of a mana conversion affinity (Signum's and Agito's flame techniques). This says to me (keeping in mind the limited amount of data we have to draw from) that the Ancient Belka system makes use of solid pseudomatter rounds and physical damage as opposed to the Mid system's emphasis on magic damage and energy-based attacks.

The Modern Belka system, as a hybrid of these two systems, makes use of the Belkan focus on melee combat while using the Mid system's energy attacks, which are more suited for the TSAB's apparent preferences for knock-outs instead of kills in combat.

This is only a personal theory of mine and has no official basis in canon.

[Avatar_notADV]

You forgot Zafira! Everyone forgets Zafira... ;_;

Which brings up a good question, really... who can cast what? Who uses what?

Our "confirmed" users of Ancient Belkan style are the four knights, Zest, and Hayate, though if we accept that Hayate inherited all the spells from Rein I, that gives her a good amount of Mid-type magic too (including Nanoha's and Fate's stuff, for that matter.)

We know both Subaru and Elio are Neo Belkans. (Subaru more so than Elio; she's actively gone to the trouble of adding Mid-type energy attacks, and uses 'em too. Plus she has that IS, which is a completely different form of magic/technology. So in a way, she's amazingly versatile/dangerous for her rank.) I -think- Schach is a Neo Belkan, but can't remember for sure.

What about everyone else? Is there anyone who we've identified as not "standard Mid"? Vivio, for one, through her "data collection" ability; she can grab some of Nanoha's spells, but she's not merely a user of Ancient Belkan, she's literally a clone of an Ancient Belkan! Who else? Acous? Do the two lil' summoners get their own category, or is that just Mid with benefits?

[Evangelion Xgouki]

Acous was said to be a user I believe with a Rare Skill (I think that's linked to how he can 'extract' information from people like what he was preparing to do to Uno after he bound her). Wasn't Carim also stated as being a user of Ancient Belkan with her Rare Skill of prophecy (which was given in Ancient Belkan)?

I think Summoners aren't considered 'standard Mid' like Caro and Lutecia since their magic arrays are of a completely different design.

[Keroko]

What about everyone else? Is there anyone who we've identified as not "standard Mid"? Vivio, for one, through her "data collection" ability; she can grab some of Nanoha's spells, but she's not merely a user of Ancient Belkan, she's literally a clone of an Ancient Belkan! Who else? Acous? Do the two lil' summoners get their own category, or is that just Mid with benefits?

Considering Mid doesn't use the cartridge system, we have Nanoha, Fate and Teana spearheading the group that doesn't use Standard Mid.

In Vivio's case, she absorbs the knowledge of spells from the people around her, but she only seems to use the Belkan ones, or converts the Mid spells she does use into Belkan types.

[Kha]

Not to mention anyone with a rifle device, thus making Vice count as non-standard Mid. :D

Hmm I could use this for background... ^_^

[Skyfall]

Considering Mid doesn't use the cartridge system, we have Nanoha, Fate and Teana spearheading the group that doesn't use Standard Mid.


I wouldn't be so sure about that - after all a cartridge is little besides compressed magical energy; i don't see why that can't be used with any magic style without any strings attached - it is merely a boost after all. (And while its true they are uncommon, just because one decides to use it wouldn't mutate his magic style in to something in need of a different label - it amplifies what you have, not turns it in to something else).

[Kha]

Now does anyone have the DVD article about cartridges translated...? :heh:

[krisslanza]

I wouldn't be so sure about that - after all a cartridge is little besides compressed magical energy; i don't see why that can't be used with any magic style without any strings attached - it is merely a boost after all. (And while its true they are uncommon, just because one decides to use it wouldn't mutate his magic style in to something in need of a different label - it amplifies what you have, not turns it in to something else).

It's not standard for intelligent devices I think. It doesn't appear any of the Grunts used them either on their Storage devices. I think it's mainly a Belkan thing. But it's something Mid HAS (since it has a serial number and everything) it's just not used very often?

[Keroko]

I wouldn't be so sure about that - after all a cartridge is little besides compressed magical energy; i don't see why that can't be used with any magic style without any strings attached - it is merely a boost after all. (And while its true they are uncommon, just because one decides to use it wouldn't mutate his magic style in to something in need of a different label - it amplifies what you have, not turns it in to something else).

Yes, Mid can use the cartridge system, but its not standard utility. In A's Chrono notes the cartridge system to be something that signifies the Belkan magic style, and this is supported by Teana, who had to build her own device to be able to use the cartridge system as a Mid mage. There simply aren't any Mid-style cartridge devices standardly available.

[Avatar_notADV]

Here's an interesting question.

How close are Intelligent Devices to, well, people? They're sentient, if not all that loquacious. You could assume that Mid doesn't put cartridge systems in Intelligent Devices normally because, well, it's dangerous, and they could get hurt or killed, the same way that Mid doesn't put cyborg systems in people.

Mind you, just like Subaru gets along just fine as a cyborg, RH and Bardiche and the cartridge-fueled devices of the forwards get along just fine. Maybe "modern" Intelligent Devices are just tougher and more redundant, and what used to be dangerous isn't much of a risk anymore?

We don't see any "old" Intelligent Devices, though. Oh, sure, the Knights' weapons are older'n dirt, but they're still paired with their users, and all the forwards have new custom-crafted devices. But under a scenario where an Intelligent Device was considered an independent, sentient entity, you'd expect that there would be "veteran" Devices; in fact, it would be a really good idea to pair rookie mages with old and canny Devices. But if this ever happens, we don't see it.

(Possible exception: Raising Heart, whose origins aren't well-explained. It's obvious near the beginning of S1 that RH is doing a lot of the driving and Nanoha's just giving it oomph, until she figures out what she's doing. On the other hand, this also gives a good reason not to do this; while RH and Nanoha together had explosive power, they happily used this power until Nanoha broke. So it's possible that pairing "rookie" devices with rookies makes it easier to bring them up slowly...)

[Tormenk]

I would say very close. They can develop personalities and heck, even show concern and worry about their human partners to encourage and offer support! All that's lacking is a physical body to interact with the environment.

[krisslanza]

Yeah Intelligent Devices are kind of evolving computers. They don't seem to start off TOO different from a normal Storage Device but they seem to slowly grow an attachment to their master (much like a human grows closer to someone they know).

Really are amazing little things...

[Kha]

...not to mention scary when you remember HAL. :D

Maybe that's why massproduction devices are Storage types. The lack of an advanced AI means lower maintenance and the ability to be reassigned when the mage leaves service means that there will be less compatibility troubles, attachment issues and will save the defence Budget. This, on top of the fact that Intel devices aren't for everyone.

[Vivio Testarossa]

Question is Reinforce I/II and Agito considered part of the "Wolkenritter" (Cloud Riders)?

[Evil Rick]

Question is Reinforce I/II and Agito considered part of the "Wolkenritter" (Cloud Riders)?

Uhmm... well that's a good question

Agito for sure is Not one, because she wasn't part of the Book of Darkness

Reinforce could be truly a Wolkenritter, Rein 2 probably not, because she appear after the Book of Darkness was turned into the tome of 7 Nights

[Estavali]

I think not. The Wolkenritter or, put in a broader sense, the Guardian Knights System, is the program that protects the Meister of the Tome. Rein I is the Administrative Program that governs the overall functions of the Tome, including the Guardian Knight System. They are separate entities.

In short, the Wolkenritter includes all four Knights but not both Rein I and II.

[Kha]

Just wanna point out a minor error; I think Rick meant Tome of the Night Sky and not 7 Nights. :heh:

[Evil Rick]

Just wanna point out a minor error; I think Rick meant Tome of the Night Sky and not 7 Nights. :heh:

Ah, well, In the spanish subtitled version that I saw, they called the Tome "Tomo de las 7 noches" Wich is Tome of the 7 nights in English :heh:

Sorry >.<

[Comartemis]

I think both Reins and Agito (and Hayate, for that matter) would at least be honorary Wolkenritter if you think of them as a group and not a label applied exclusively to the Guardian Knight system. The idea that the Wolks were human before they were programs is fairly prevalent in the fandom and Signum's connection to Agito seems to imply a past history between them, so logic dictates (going by the Wolks = humans assumption) that before the Wolkenritter were Guardian Knights they were Belkan Knights, perhaps in service to Belka itself (note Signum's title, 'The Flame General'), or perhaps even an extended group with dozens of members long since passed on.

But officially? Nope, it's just the original four.

[Keroko]

You have to remember that Wolkenritter is only a title. It's not what they are. They are guardian programs, that's their biological heritage and that is something Rein and Agito can never be part of. Wolkenritter, however it a title, and everyone can join under a title. Since the Wolkenritter is not limited by heritage, I think we can consider both Rein and Agito to be part of the Wolkenritter. After all, do you really think Hayate would let them be outcasts in their own family?

The only exception is Reinforce I, but that's because she was more of an end-all leader (basically, prior to Hayate the knights were her knights) and died pretty fast after Hayate took over the reigns.

Oh, and Wolkenritter means Cloud Knights, not Cloud Riders. :p

[Nya~n]

Has it ever been hinted what Regius' Einherjar project was?

[Kha]

That ginormically huge cannon in the middle of a desert that was actually a semi-buried immensely massive transformable Macross battle fortress that was unceremoniously destroyed by the Numbers before we even knew what the heck it was that made it a "the all end all" option. Kinda like MI3's "Rabbit Foot". :p

[Comartemis]

I read somewhere that it was supposed to be a surface-to-air Arc en Ciel emplacement, presumably with a much lower area of effect so they don't nuke the surface every time they hit something in space.

Of course I might've read that on Outer Cadia, so take the idea with a few grains of salt. The fact that it's a really big gun and Jail wanted it destroyed before the Cradle lifted off seems to indicate that at the least it was probably some sort of surface-to-air defensive emplacement, if not an actual AeC.

[AtomicoX]

I read somewhere that it was supposed to be a surface-to-air Arc en Ciel emplacement, presumably with a much lower area of effect so they don't nuke the surface every time they hit something in space.

Of course I might've read that on Outer Cadia, so take the idea with a few grains of salt. The fact that it's a really big gun and Jail wanted it destroyed before the Cradle lifted off seems to indicate that at the least it was probably some sort of surface-to-air defensive emplacement, if not an actual AeC.

I agree about the Surface-to-Air theory. Judging from the size and angle of the gun itself, it could be a smaller variant of Arc en Ciel (as you said unless I misunderstood, sorry), or a simple shooter variant, size LARGE.

I just had a thought that it might be a whole new kind of weapon too. Nothing similar exists and that might be a reason why we never find out (unless your information is correct, then this idea fails) what it is.

In any case, it doesn't seem to have a ground function and can only be fired at airborne or orbiting targets, judging from the size and angle.

[Deadwings]

Has it ever been hinted what Regius' Einherjar project was?

I was just about to ask the same thing... :p

[Avatar_notADV]

Which makes no sense, if you think about it. Clearly Regius is thinking about it as a way to increase the power and the prestige of the ground forces, in contrast to the "rare skill" users that are his bureaucratic enemy.

But we're talking about, essentially, naval weapon emplacements. If Regius was out of the navy side of the equation, we could maybe understand that - he'd be trained to think of enemy threats as represented by incoming fleets and the like. But he's a general, not an admiral! And not a general in 1910, who might put his faith in the power of mighty fixed emplacements; he's got to deal with threats that can teleport and all of the other fun magical things you can do with an Intelligent Device and a bottle of whiskey. So, er... what's his deal?

The only thing I can think of is that he's banking on the cyborg project to have produced the ground forces that he's looking for; by assuming a larger portion of the "defense" role from the Navy through the Einherjar, that gives him a greater amount of prestige and budget to use for his own projects. But he seems to be banking on it a little too much for the amount of good that it could possibly do there. Maybe it was his anti-Jail ace in the hole, his insurance that Jail wouldn't take the Cradle and do what he ended up doing?

[Anh_Minh]

"Criminals, surrender, or I'll blow up the whole planet! I'm crazy enough to do it!"?

[Kha]

Hey that's probably very valid. If all it took for Belka to rule Midchilda was the Cradle before (and almost again), a powerful anti-ship installment would be the answer.

But I'll keep to my pet theory about it being more than it seems, if only because nothing rules against it, it makes more sense than a cannon buried in the ground, and that it's more fun than a simple reason. :D

[Deadwings]

Hi! Here again... so, anybody knows anything about how old Due is? Or when was she created or also how old Jail is? Or I could use also, when was the Saint's genetic data stolen? I'm rewatching StrikerS and I found it pretty weird to see Due present when that old man took the Saint's genetic data. So it was a very recent fact or Jail is older than everyone in the series... help?

[Nightengale]

The Einhenjar Project was just a cover, basically the public story to feed his political position of strengthening the Ground Forces. But the core of the power will clearly be the Cyborgs which he was supposed to 'discover from a raid.'

It's quite clear that the Combat Cyborgs were what he wanted more so than Einhenjar (( but of course, he's not ignoring Einhenjar as well )), judging from his desire for stronger and more effective manpower, but at the same time, he can't risk openly and publicly supporting a weapons project that has no basis of proven efficiency since development and research are banned, along with human ethics problems. However, if he can utilize 'already existing cyborgs' that were not involved with him, and use the track record to prove the effectiveness of the Cyborgs, then he can move way to legalize it eventually without risking to destroy his political position.

Hi! Here again... so, anybody knows anything about how old Due is? Or when was she created or also how old Jail is? Or I could use also, when was the Saint's genetic data stolen? I'm rewatching StrikerS and I found it pretty weird to see Due present when that old man took the Saint's genetic data. So it was a very recent fact or Jail is older than everyone in the series... help?

Due is made in MC 0052, so she is 'technically' 23 as of StrikerS. I say technically, because she doesn't grow up normally. She was '13' when she stole the genetic data. Jail on the other hand, is at least 50 years old... technically as well. He wasn't born normally, and 25 years before StrikerS, he looked exactly the same he does now when he first wrote the cyborg thesis.

[Kha]

So that giant thing in the desert was a fake structure? Then why did Jail go out of the way to smash it?

[AtomicoX]

I guess since it was a sort of "Monument of Power", destroying it would hit the morale of the troops under Regius. It didn't matter if it was fake, since the troops didn't know it was. (I think.)

[Keroko]

Einherjahr was a very real project (there were several of them, by the way) it's just that it was only a decoy.

[Gladius_Lucix]

Did any of the StrikerS sound stages mention whether Kyouya or Miyuki had any children?

[PhoenixG]

Nope. IIRC they only mentioned that Kyouya works in german.

[arkhangelsk]

Which makes no sense, if you think about it. Clearly Regius is thinking about it as a way to increase the power and the prestige of the ground forces, in contrast to the "rare skill" users that are his bureaucratic enemy.

But we're talking about, essentially, naval weapon emplacements. If Regius was out of the navy side of the equation, we could maybe understand that - he'd be trained to think of enemy threats as represented by incoming fleets and the like. But he's a general, not an admiral! And not a general in 1910, who might put his faith in the power of mighty fixed emplacements; he's got to deal with threats that can teleport and all of the other fun magical things you can do with an Intelligent Device and a bottle of whiskey. So, er... what's his deal?

The only thing I can think of is that he's banking on the cyborg project to have produced the ground forces that he's looking for; by assuming a larger portion of the "defense" role from the Navy through the Einherjar, that gives him a greater amount of prestige and budget to use for his own projects. But he seems to be banking on it a little too much for the amount of good that it could possibly do there. Maybe it was his anti-Jail ace in the hole, his insurance that Jail wouldn't take the Cradle and do what he ended up doing?

Well, I'm not so sure it is only that. Sure, it can be used in an antiship function, but it probably does have a anti-ground ability.

Given its size and the potential available in a fixed installation, if Regius wished it, there seems little reason it can't produce AOE radiuses similar to the Arc, which is what, over 100km?

Given that, even with a LOS weapon, it is possible to engage ground targets out to over 1000km. At 100km altitude, distance to the horizon on an Earth-sized planet is 1133.84km. Near the range limits, it would only graze the surface and produce a relatively small radius on the ground, but it'll still beat even crack mages by a lightyear.

In fact, regardless of range, the engagement will probably be set to grazing (along with using the lowest feasible power) to reduce ground collateral damage.

And if you assume the weapon can exploit ballistics, the engagement possibilities become even wider. No, Einherjar is likely one of the smarter TSAB weapons ideas (which ain't saying much, admittedly)...

[Comartemis]

You must be joking. You want to use a weapon with a 100 kilometer area of effect against SURFACE TARGETS on your HOME PLANET? That would be like the US army setting up nuclear missile silos designed to nuke stuff on American soil; Regius may be a prick and a bureaucrat, but he's not stupid enough to try something like that, and I sincerely doubt the people of Mid-Childa would approve of having a weapon like that anywhere within range of them, much less just outside the planet's capital city; you'd be seeing NIMBY movements and riots all over the place as soon as word got out about it. And I sincerely doubt a weapon that destroys its' targets by warping time/space has a "stun setting" so to speak.

[arkhangelsk]

Obviously, I did not mean they'll use it against regular old Lost Logia C or regular criminal B. However, if you believe the potential harm levels claimed (because we never actually saw it, remember, we are just constantly told about this) for high-level Lost Logia, yes, even a 100km AOE weapon might be a better option.

If things deteoriate to the point where it needs a weapon of such destructive power, what difference does it make that the Arc-level blow is delivered from a ship or from the ground?

For your nuke analogy, think of a scenario where a bioagent that has the capability to wipe out at least the United States population was released, and the only weapon that will reliably incinerate the bioagent happens to be the holocaustic temperatures of a nuke.

Further, for the morality and priorities of even a recruit-poster good Midchildran, you can just remember how close we were to being nuked in Nanoha A's. True, it is Midchildra, not the unimportant little 97th, but it still says much about their mentality on such matters. It is a mix of their belief in the high danger levels of Lost Logia and a general sense of amorality over vaporizing ~100 million people (or more, depending on the secondary zones of effect). Oh, and let's not forget Graham's "brilliant" idea of activating the oh-so-dangerous BoD right on his home planet. Maybe he quietly hates Japanese and thinks if things deteoriate and Arcie wipes them out it is a good thing... but I digress.

Finally, you completely ignore the possibilities of yield or aiming control to reduce collateral damage.

Of course, you are right that the People, who are known for their inability to face up to the extreme measures for Worst Case scenarios, will raise a big squawk about such things. Sometimes, the government does have to make decisions that are beyond the understanding of the average civilian.

Regius: Ultimately, I don't really agree that Regius is a prick or a bureaucrat at all. He sees a major weakness in his units operation, and seeing that his superiors are not getting him what he needs for the job, tries to remedy the deficiency himself with Einherjar and the Combat Cyborg project. Right or wrong, he's a personal of substantial moral courage.

What Regius ultimately hopes for, probably, is a system with both Einherjar and Combat Cyborgs, with contingents on all worlds. With the Combat Cyborgs supporting the (apparently very few) S-mages the Ground Forces has, and with Einherjar as the final backstop.

By increasing the capability of the Ground Forces, it reduces the chance of Einherjar would have to be brought into play, but the capability is there and ready.

Parochialism aside, Einherjar would also have a faster response time than a ship from HQ. What little we know about Lost Logia running amok seems to suggest they are often supercritical types - the longer you leave it out of control generally the harder they are to stop. So, by having the ground based unit fire quickly rather than slowly call in a ship (or worse, maybe they have to install the Arcenciel first... or wait while Sailing Force HQ slowly sorts through its priorities), you can reduce the firepower used and reduce the total harm, even in a worst case scenario.

[Anh_Minh]

Wouldn't that assume the Einherjar is a lot cheaper than a ship, so that it can be built everywhere?

[arkhangelsk]

An assumption yes, but IMO a probable one. All else being equal, ground based systems are easier to build, support and run compared to space. You can spread out more, draw more power, rely more on local infrastructure ... etc.

[Comartemis]

Further, for the morality and priorities of even a recruit-poster good Midchildran, you can just remember how close we were to being nuked in Nanoha A's. True, it is Midchildra, not the unimportant little 97th, but it still says much about their mentality on such matters. It is a mix of their belief in the high danger levels of Lost Logia and a general sense of amorality over vaporizing ~100 million people (or more, depending on the secondary zones of effect). Oh, and let's not forget Graham's "brilliant" idea of activating the oh-so-dangerous BoD right on his home planet. Maybe he quietly hates Japanese and thinks if things deteoriate and Arcie wipes them out it is a good thing... but I digress.
Um.... what? Are you trying to accuse the TSAB--who willingly discarded weapons that worked perfectly well for killing things in favor of non-lethal magical arms--of being unconcerned with collateral damage and catastrophic loss of life, whether on their home planet or elsewhere?

*Comar headdesks repeatedly at ark's continued habit of reading into things waaaaaay too much*

Guess I can't argue with the rest of your points though, although I share Anh_Minh's question as to whether it's cheaper to build ground installations on all planets in the bureau rather than simply rely on ship-based AeCs. You'd also have to build multiple installations in strategic locations to ensure interlinking coverage patterns so you can hit a planet-killing Logia anywhere on the surface. Much easier and more cost-effective to rely on the navy, methinks.

[Anh_Minh]

An assumption yes, but IMO a probable one. All else being equal, ground based systems are easier to build, support and run compared to space. You can spread out more, draw more power, rely more on local infrastructure ... etc.

Well, maybe one Einherjar is cheaper than one battleship, sure. But cheap enough to build everywhere? If it was that cheap, wouldn't they have built some long ago?

[Proto]

It's the eternal discussion of letting every small administration branch having its own military power, or relying on a strong, central administrated force. Giving ground to air ion cannon to every satellite planet would equate to diminishing Midchilda power, and history tells us that the higher ups have never been fond of that idea :p

[Kikaifan]

Oh, and let's not forget Graham's "brilliant" idea of activating the oh-so-dangerous BoD right on his home planet. Maybe he quietly hates Japanese and thinks if things deteoriate and Arcie wipes them out it is a good thing... but I digress.

I think it's pretty funny that you laud Regius and trash Graham when Graham's actions are by far the more excusable, since the people he endangered were going to be in the same situation a few weeks or months down the line if he hadn't done anything anyway.

What Regius ultimately hopes for, probably, is a system with both Einherjar and Combat Cyborgs, with contingents on all worlds. With the Combat Cyborgs supporting the (apparently very few) S-mages the Ground Forces has, and with Einherjar as the final backstop.

By increasing the capability of the Ground Forces, it reduces the chance of Einherjar would have to be brought into play, but the capability is there and ready.

Parochialism aside, Einherjar would also have a faster response time than a ship from HQ.

Since you seem to be a military buff, I'm going to assume you've heard "He who defends everything defends nothing."

Just how do you reach the conclusion that it is a better policy to build enough guns to shoot everywhere in the known multiverse than to send ships to deal with problems as they arise? Did you mean just on all major worlds or something?

Plus if the politics military deployment in the Nanohaverse are anything like they are on our Earth a fleet in orbit is going to be much more politically palatable on some worlds than a big ground installation.

[Vivio Testarossa]

How tall is Vivio (in both her "normal" (child form), and "adult" form?

[arkhangelsk]

I think it's pretty funny that you laud Regius and trash Graham when Graham's actions are by far the more excusable, since the people he endangered were going to be in the same situation a few weeks or months down the line if he hadn't done anything anyway.

Actually, had Graham done nothing, the whole near-disaster looks as if it'll have ended around Ep5.

Still, it isn't the CONOPS of sacrificing one person that's so bad. It is the little detail where he chooses to perform his forced activation in a populated area.

Besides, at least Regius did not knowingly endanger >100 million people, or even a whole planet when he started his Einherjar and Combat Cyborg projects. The same seems not to apply for Graham. He also had a more strategic focus (peace of all areas under jurisdiction of GF) than Graham, who despite his superior rank obsesses over one LL.

[quote]Since you seem to be a military buff, I'm going to assume you've heard "He who defends everything defends nothing."

Yes, it is in fact one of the criticisms for MGLN StrikerS.

But real military buffs know better than to rely on one axiom. The decision is made based on actual conditions, not on one axiom (which almost always has a counteracting axiom, such as "Enemies tend to find out your weak spots and pour through them."

Just how do you reach the conclusion that it is a better policy to build enough guns to shoot everywhere in the known multiverse than to send ships to deal with problems as they arise? Did you mean just on all major worlds or something?

If those ships react fast, that's less of a problem. But we all have poked fun at their real response speed, and I bet it isn't so funny for Regius. A mobile defense is only a good idea if it is fast enough!

Plus if the politics military deployment in the Nanohaverse are anything like they are on our Earth a fleet in orbit is going to be much more politically palatable on some worlds than a big ground installation.

And that's one of the reasons why Regius deserves praise. Both Graham and Regius have projects, that if discovered in mid-course, will likely get attacked at regardless of the soundness of their respective plans. But while Graham is very likely to win adulation at the end if he makes it (and he barely got a wrist-slap at the end of the real outcome), and in any case it is a fait accompli, Regius is likely to be pecked even if his plan succeeds.

[Keroko]

How tall is Vivio (in both her "normal" (child form), and "adult" form?

I don't have any numbers, but there was a chart posted few pages back with size comparisons of the cast:

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/th_Side_B_0001.jpg (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/side_b/Side_B_0001.jpg)

Vivio is going to get bigger then any of the main cast members. Looks like I'll have to adjust my plans for Syn being the tallest of the two. :p

Actually, had Graham done nothing, the whole near-disaster looks as if it'll have ended around Ep5.

Hardly. Yami no Sho has defense programs in place in case it gets captured. It'll adsorb its current master and reincarnate elsewhere, so all that would have happened in ep5 had Graham done nothing was put everyone back to square one.

Still, it isn't the CONOPS of sacrificing one person that's so bad. It is the little detail where he chooses to perform his forced activation in a populated area.

Besides, at least Regius did not knowingly endanger >100 million people, or even a whole planet when he started his Einherjar and Combat Cyborg projects. The same seems not to apply for Graham. He also had a more strategic focus (peace of all areas under jurisdiction of GF) than Graham, who despite his superior rank obsesses over one LL.

No, but he did doom children to grow up to be nothing more then weapons without a choice, which are currently only a dozen, but would eventually become hundreds. I'm pretty sure that falls along the lines of forced servitude, if not slavery.

Also, Graham was obsessed over 'one Lost Logia' that killed millions for milenia and showed no sign of stopping. That sort of puts things into perspective, no? Graham and Regius are two sides of the same coin: Both of them wanted to protect what they held dear to the point where they wanted to make unethical sacrifices.

[arkhangelsk]

Hardly. Yami no Sho has defense programs in place in case it gets captured. It'll adsorb its current master and reincarnate elsewhere, so all that would have happened in ep5 had Graham done nothing was put everyone back to square one.

Agreed, but at least 100 million people probably won't be threatened. We treat as an axiom that Cure is better than suppression, but considering this cure, one might want to make an exception.

And as I said, it wasn't so much his cure plan in general. It was the part where he had to arrange the whole thing to happen in one of the most densely populated nations in the world. Can't he do his op in Siberia or Far North Canada or Alaska where relatively few have to die even if he has to cut a 200km wide hemisphere out of his homeworld in the end? Can't he teleport her to at least somewhere out of town before he starts his little activation ritual?

No, but he did doom children to grow up to be nothing more then weapons without a choice, which are currently only a dozen, but would eventually become hundreds. I'm pretty sure that falls along the lines of forced servitude, if not slavery.

I think this ethical argument actually came up in earlier discussions about Regius. Let's say it becomes thousands so we can place a platoon on every "Management" world and have a few companies to split up between TSAB warships on the side.

Let me put it this way. If we didn't do this, and something happened, and ultimately they had to Arc a hundred million people, would you like to be the one that stands in front of the survivors to say "Yeah, we could probably have stopped this if only we agreed to Combat Cyborgs. But at that time it seemed so unethical..."

Also, Graham was obsessed over 'one Lost Logia' that killed millions for milenia and showed no sign of stopping. That sort of puts things into perspective, no? Graham and Regius are two sides of the same coin: Both of them wanted to protect what they held dear to the point where they wanted to make unethical sacrifices.

Uh, you don't even know it killed "millions" for "millenia". And remember no matter how powerful that Lost Logia is, it is still ONE LOST LOGIA. One can see its real importance by the Fleets and Armies the TSAB sent to stop it ... wait. OK, I'll agree they sent a Fleet last time, but this time, it rated one ship and one company.

Regius is planning to stop many.

[arkhangelsk]

Hopefully, not many. However, they do seem to lose a bunch of people on a demi-regular basis (based on Ep24). If that's the case, Keroko can just stand and explain to each unfortunate family about the reason why their sons have to die.

[Keroko]

We probably should take this to a discussion thread. We've been hypothesizing for quite a few posts now.

[Fate T Harlaown]

Hi guys, I just wanted to ask some questions regarding SSX if its okay XD.

1. Does Cross Mirage still have its Two Hand mode?
2. Is there anything special about Cross Mirage's new form?
3. Did Caro and Elio went back to their wild life preservation duties after the incidents in SSX?
4. Did Teana learned any new spells?

Anyway, I apologize if any of these have been mentioned before or if I caused any inconvenience on your part. I'm just in a hurry since I managed to have some free time today to write the continuation of my fanfic.

[Keroko]

1. Yes.
2. It's like Excellion Mode, a more powerful form. I can't recall it's name though.
3. -can't recall (didn't pay much attention to those two)
4. If you count Starlight Breaker, yes.

[Kha]

3. Apparently yes; they went back to work on Supools, to Fate's disappointment (a little granted).

[Nya~n]

Cross Mirage's 3rd form:
If my katakana interpretation skills doesn't fail me(which it does frequently), then I believe it's called "Blazer". Here (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/ssx/SSX_Booklet_04-05.jpg)'s the poster. It says [ブレイザ―] in the description for Cross Mirage.'

SSX Questions:
1. Is it stated which magical path Vivio takes? Her biological heritage of being an Ancient Belka Knight? Follow her mamas' path of being Mid-Childen mage? Neo-Belkan Knight like Erio? Neo Belkan mage like Subaru? Or take a leaf out of Hayate's book(pun NOT intended), and become a Mage Knight?

2. By then, what kind of style does she take? Offensive like most of the character's we've seen? Supportive like Shamal, or research like Yuuno?

3. What kind of unit in the TSAB are the numbers assigned to?

4. Is Subaru still in the disaster relief squad as depicted in StrikerS epilogue? If not, then what happened that she had to get involved SSX?

5. Same question for Erio and Caro.

[ /rant ]

[Keroko]

1. That was never actually revealed as far as I know.

2. At the moment she seems quite skillful at Yuuno's data gathering magic, but we don't know what her approach to combat will be. She's still in school in SSX, and I don't think they're teaching advanced magic combat in school. :p

3. An investigation unit, led by Ginga. Zafira acts as Ginga's trainer in the investigator field.

4. She was disaster relief, and buildings were on fire. Subaru dived in and found Expillia, things spiraled of from there.

5. Invited for a reunion, if I recall correctly.

[PhoenixG]

Well Vivio is studing both style. I won't be surprised if she uses both style when she grow up. At school she learns belka and Nanoha and Yuuno teach Vivio Mid-childa.

[Fate T Harlaown]

Cross Mirage's 3rd form:
If my katakana interpretation skills doesn't fail me(which it does frequently), then I believe it's called "Blazer". Here (http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/ssx/SSX_Booklet_04-05.jpg)'s the poster. It says [ブレイザ―] in the description for Cross Mirage.'

I checked the poster and yes, its called Blazer Mode. TY for the info XD. Funny though since in my fanfic, Teana has a move called "Phantom Blazer." LOL, gotta love coincidence sometimes >_<.

[Nya~n]

She does have a move called Phantom Blazer. It was the one she was about to use before Nanoha Crossfire-d her. Or at least, it sounded more like "Phantom Bla-"*shot by Nanoha*

Thanks Keroko for the answers and PG for the possible ideas.

[AtomicoX]

I checked the poster and yes, its called Blazer Mode. TY for the info XD. Funny though since in my fanfic, Teana has a move called "Phantom Blazer." LOL, gotta love coincidence sometimes >_<.
She does have a move called Phantom Blazer. It was the one she was about to use before Nanoha Crossfire-d her. Or at least, it sounded more like "Phantom Bla-"*shot by Nanoha*


Just wanted to say you both are correct. It is Phantom Blazer.

[Nya~n]

What makes Strada's 3rd form so different from the 1st form? Apart from the 2 blades sticking out of its thrusters, that is...

[Tormenk]

Strada's 1st form is Erio's primary form of choice for combat, while the 3rd form taps into his elemental affinity for a bigger bang. That was when Erio brought down Wendi and a bunch of gadget drones at one go during the HQ attack.

[Chaos2Frozen]

What makes Strada's 3rd form so different from the 1st form? Apart from the 2 blades sticking out of its thrusters, that is...

Apparently, 3rd mode allows him to use (more powerful) Lightning spells.

Literally called "Thunderstorm Form".



Personally I feel that they should've exploited it more >.>

[Anh_Minh]

Never mind Strada, they should have exploited Erio more...

[Kha]

Apparently, 3rd mode allows him to use (more powerful) Lightning spells.

Literally called "Thunderstorm Form".

Personally I feel that they should've exploited it more >.>Enjoying the patch 3 shammy love aren't we? :p

StrikerS was meh because it could've been more, and exploited more plot lines, and not trainwrecking. :/

[Chaos2Frozen]

Never mind Strada, they should have exploited Erio more...

Well, I didn't want to say it like that, lest it be seen as nagging... >.>

Enjoying the patch 3 shammy love aren't we? :p


No idea what you're talking about :) Haven't touched that ever since I've gotten Vesperia :nod:

But seriously, putting aside lack of development, his combat display has also been less than impressive for someone trained by Fate herself. Unless Fate is a bad trainer, then that can't be helped.

[Tormenk]

But seriously, putting aside lack of development, his combat display has also been less than impressive for someone trained by Fate herself. Unless Fate is a bad trainer, then that can't be helped.

Combat display probably falls under some area of development. Sorta. >.>

Though if the plotlines could be tweaked again, having Erio go against Lutecia/Zest during the hotel incident would kickstart the Lutecia/Erio/Caro angle earlier even if it means having Erio banged up badly against the powerhouses.

[Skane]

~
But seriously, putting aside lack of development, his combat display has also been less than impressive for someone trained by Fate herself. Unless Fate is a bad trainer, then that can't be helped.
It's Fate. Other than the fact that she is more or less, their adopted mother, she's a well-known softie. Compare her training methods to Nanoha's/Vita's/Hayate's methods (and by implication, Signum's), and you will see day and night.

She'll probably coddle them if they so much as sigh from tiredness.

Fate can never be a good drill instructor due to the suffering she endured herself when she young. It's a mental block for her.

Cheers.

[Nya~n]

I'm on a questioning spree lately, methinks...

The familiar question that was on my mind quite sometime ago, which I got reminded of after reading JC's Vio+familiar fic:
When one creates a familiar, does it already know a certain set of skills, knowledge, have a distinctive personality, and then continue growing from there; or do they all start from scratch like a baby?

[PhoenixG]

In arf's case, she learned everything from scratch. So I guess other familiars too.

[Comartemis]

Arf was made from the remains of Precia's old familiar, Linis I think her name was, not born fresh. You could make the argument either way I guess, but I don't think familiars would be considered very useful if you had to raise them from scratch before setting them to whatever task they were created for.

[Estavali]

Err, I don't know where you got that from, but Arf was created from a dying wolf cub, not from the remains of Linith, who was created from a mountain cat that was Alicia's pet (and died beside her during the freak accident that claimed Alicia). Linith vanished after Precia terminated their contract, the only things she left behind were Bardiche and Fate's memories of her.

I would say that familiars generally start with a clean slate, but information can be "downloaded" into them from their creators. Before her familiarisation, Linith was just a common animal, but Precia gave her the knowledge and skills to train Fate. Arf was just Fate's playmate initially, but I wouldn't be surprised that she took lessons as well to be a better help to her friend and mistress.

[PhoenixG]

Arf was made from the remains of Precia's old familiar, Linis I think her name was, not born fresh. You could make the argument either way I guess, but I don't think familiars would be considered very useful if you had to raise them from scratch before setting them to whatever task they were created for.

Eummm..... how can arf be the remaining of Linith, when Linith taught Fate-san how to make a pact with arf and teach arf and Fate-san afterwards?

Err, I don't know where you got that from, but Arf was created from a dying wolf cub, not from the remains of Linith, who was created from a mountain cat that was Alicia's pet (and died beside her during the freak accident that claimed Alicia). Linith vanished after Precia terminated their contract, the only things she left behind were Bardiche and Fate's memories of her.

I would say that familiars generally start with a clean slate, but information can be "downloaded" into them from their creators. Before her familiarisation, Linith was just a common animal, but Precia gave her the knowledge and skills to train Fate. Arf was just Fate's playmate initially, but I wouldn't be surprised that she took lessons as well to be a better help to her friend and mistress.

Precia didn't terminated the contract, but Linith fulfilled the contract. Making a contract with a familiar comes with a goal and when the goal is fulfilled the familiar will dissapear unless the contractor change or extent it.

The reason why Arf is still around, is because her "goal to exist" is to protect Fate-san and her family.

[Comartemis]

It's in the Sound Stages. Linith completed her contract when she finished Fate's training, but when she started to fade out Fate revealed that she'd been doing some research on creating familiars on her own time, and reestablished Linith's contract with a new set of terms. Thus Linith = Arf. I only know the basics of the story, but if Keroko decides to drop in I'm sure he can shed some more light on the situation.

[Jimmy C]

Comar, I've seen the chinese sub of that Sound Stage, there's no such thing. Estavail's explaination is correct.

[Comartemis]

Really? I thought for sure there was a connection between the two, and I know I heard Arf = Linith somewhere before.

[PhoenixG]

In fandom maybe. The only connection that might be is the student-teacher relation.

[Keroko]

Arf =/= Linnith. That one is certain. Now a connection, there is, Linith was a teacher and confidant for Fate after all. However, this has nothing to do with Arf.

[Skyfall]

I just realized some of the details regarding mage rankings in my head have become blurred (And go figure which might come from some fiction or my own delusions), so i thought to verify with the more 'devoted' users here :)

Firstly, the ability for independent flight. Unless my memory is playing tricks on me, it required a mage ranked A or above to sustain that, yes ? On that note, how frequent was it for a mage to be powerful enough to rank A+ ? I think i vaguely recall somewhere being mentioned that approximately one in hundred mages has the capability to rank A or above, but it might be just me being delusional).

This would obviously also mean that all the combat/operations personnel in airforces and navy would be ranked A or above. (Or does navy aim even higher than that ?). On that note, RF6 aside, Nanoha was part of the air forces, distinguished by her white-blue uniform, right? (Ground forces having the brown uniform the rest of RF6 wear, and navy having the blueish-gray outfits). Why did fate wear the brown uniform as well for that matter, instead of her enforcer black one ? (unless to 'fit in' better - i assume it isn't an obligation, seeing Nanoha kept her white/blue one).

Thanks :)

[Keroko]

I just realized some of the details regarding mage rankings in my head have become blurred (And go figure which might come from some fiction or my own delusions), so i thought to verify with the more 'devoted' users here :)

Firstly, the ability for independent flight. Unless my memory is playing tricks on me, it required a mage ranked A or above to sustain that, yes ? On that note, how frequent was it for a mage to be powerful enough to rank A+ ? I think i vaguely recall somewhere being mentioned that approximately one in hundred mages has the capability to rank A or above, but it might be just me being delusional).

This would obviously also mean that all the combat/operations personnel in airforces and navy would be ranked A or above. (Or does navy aim even higher than that ?).

Not exactly, as Shari says (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/Liinna/argument%20stuff/11-1.jpg), being A-rank merely gives you the means to start flight training without going through an undefined period of service in the Ground Forces. It has no relation with anyone needing to be a certain mage rank to be able to fly. This is supported by the DVD booklets stating the B-rank is an impassable wall for many mages, despite a high amount of cannon fodder aerial mages in both anime and manga.

High innate mage ranks just gives you a free pass to flight training, that's all.

On that note, RF6 aside, Nanoha was part of the air forces, distinguished by her white-blue uniform, right? (Ground forces having the brown uniform the rest of RF6 wear, and navy having the blueish-gray outfits). Why did fate wear the brown uniform as well for that matter, instead of her enforcer black one ? (unless to 'fit in' better - i assume it isn't an obligation, seeing Nanoha kept her white/blue one).

Thanks :)

Nanoha did wear her brown uniform, only when she trains the forwards does she wear her Air Force uniform, probably because its easier to move in, or she's more used to it (in fact, Hayate says just that in episode 3) on every formal occasion she has worn her Ground Forces uniform.

Fate, with her uniform not being designed for either flight nor ease of training anyway, never had a reason to wear her Enforcer uniform (a shame really, black suits Fate so much better then brown).

[Skyfall]

I see, thanks for the quick explanations. I knew i was mixing something up in my mind :)

[Skyfall]

Another thing i am curious (and have forgotten if it ever was mentioned) about - how much official authority does the saint belkan church hold, if any ? (Aside of Carim being a member of TSAB's board of directors).

Same regarding the authority Admirals have. To best of my knowledge, and Admiral is the highest rank a TSAB member can achieve. From who do they take orders from, and what is the extent of independent action they can carry out ?

Same questions regarding inspectors - (Acous for example) - as far as i can tell, they take orders from no one and are pretty much cleared for independent action ?

[Keroko]

Hmm, on the first part, Belka has a few regions on Mid that they govern, possibly on other worlds as well, but in overall authority I'd say the TSAB is superior. In terms of influence, Belka is known to be the most wide-spread and popular religion, spanning around all the known dimensional worlds.

The Admirals are among the highest ranking officials, we were never shown whom they were taking orders from though. The brains are a possibility, though seeing how they had to hide behind the screen that is questionable. There probably is another form of government present... but I can't give a final answer on this.

Inspectors like Acous takes orders from the intelligence division, which is linked to the TSAB chain of command. They can take more individual actions, or at least have more freedom to move around, but I doubt they're James Bonds with a license to cause mass-chaos and swipe it under the table.

[xavier12336]

One thing I'm curious is that does Yuuno still holds a position in any organisation such TSAB etc. And is Chrono, being an admiral, holds greater authority than Hayate or they on par? Just wanted to make sure xD

[Tormenk]

1.Yuuno works in the TSAB as the librarian of the Infinity Library. His job includes managing the TSAB's database (not sure if IF==database), and his position is credited as an civilian collabrator.

2. Not too sure about Hayate's current rank but Chrono has outranked her regardless in his position of Admiral, commanding part of the TSAB's navel fleet.

[Comartemis]

I'm pretty sure Hayate is a Brigadier General. Not sure where I heard that though, so it could have been in a fanfic. Either way, I don't know enough about military command structures to know which actually has more authority, though my guess is that Chrono outranks Hayate.

[xavier12336]

Thanks for clearing my doubts but i have another question. Since Yuuno is part of the TSAB, compare to Nanoha and Fate, does he has greater authority and being a mage, what is his rank?

[Comartemis]

Yuuno would have very little, if any, formal authority in the TSAB beyond his role as the head of the infinity library. Basically he runs the library but beyond that he can't give anyone any orders.

As to Yuuno's rank... well Yuuno is only in pitched combat a few times in A's and never in StrikerS, so I don't think we've gotten a real measure of his capabilities. Nonetheless, he was able to block hits from Vita in melee (though I should note that Vita was conserving cartridges and so the hits Yuuno was taking were most likely a good bit weaker than the one that put Nanoha down for the count) and his Struggle Bind was useful against the Viral Defense Program in the climax. So I guess you could argue that Yuuno is either a very powerful defender or a mostly useless male in a magical girl show. I personally go with the first assumption and place his A's rank around AAA or so, and I wouldn't be surprised if Yuuno had attained S rank sometime in the ten years since then.

[Estavali]

Hayate is a Lieutenant Colonel, in the events of StrikerS at least. Anything higher than that is where fanon, and perhaps any possible season 4, comes in.

BetrayerS promoted her to a General (Brigadier IIRC), but then again that fanon, not canon.

Oh, and btw, Nanohawiki states Yuuno's rank to be Composite A.

[xavier12336]

Season 4? I thought the latest development is that the movie is coming out? Or i am too far behind time T.T

[Estavali]

Season 4? I thought the latest development is that the movie is coming out? Or i am too far behind time T.T

Haha, note "possible", as in if there is a season 4 ;).

[xavier12336]

Haha, note "possible", as in if there is a season 4 ;).

I see. Is there any hint or speculation about season 4 btw?

[Evil Rick]

Hayate is a Lieutenant Colonel, in the events of StrikerS at least. Anything higher than that is where fanon, and perhaps any possible season 4, comes in.

BetrayerS promoted her to a General (Brigadier IIRC), but then again that fanon, not canon.

Oh, and btw, Nanohawiki states Yuuno's rank to be Composite A.

It's hard to see a fourth season based on BetrayerS but still... :rolleyes:

[Comartemis]

Composite A, huh? Any idea what they mean by composite?

[xavier12336]

Oh, what it means Betrayers? Another arc or series?

[Keroko]

A fancomic, it shouldn't be taken as official.

[xavier12336]

A fancomic? I see. Is the information inside reliable or is it just based on the fan opinion?

[Keroko]

purely fanbased, no official support whatsoever.

[Tempest Dynasty]

Composite A, huh? Any idea what they mean by composite?

Composite, as in combined score.

Yuuno could've scored a C in offensive power or as a ground mage, but maybe his aerial and / or support skills is S+ class. Thus the average score is A.

[Skane]

Composite, as in combined score.

Yuuno could've scored a C in offensive power or as a ground mage, but maybe his aerial and / or support skills is S+ class. Thus the average score is A.
Yuuno is not a ground mage. He can fly. Without a device, may I add.

He was the one who taught Nanoha flight.

Cheers.

[Tempest Dynasty]

Yuuno is not a ground mage. He can fly. Without a device, may I add.

He was the one who taught Nanoha flight.

Cheers.

Which is why I put the C grade for ground, but S+ for aerial. Just because he can fly doesn't mean he can't work on the ground. Everyone starts earthbound.

[Wild Goose]

Yuuno is not a ground mage. He can fly. Without a device, may I add.

He was the one who taught Nanoha flight.

Cheers.

The ability to fly doesn't mean that you're automatically an air mage.

In the TSAB system, an air mage is a mage who can both fly and engage in air combat effectively, which, due to power and experience requirements, ends up as a Mage who's A-ranked or higher. B-rank and C-rank mages have flight ability but are not as capable of engaging in air combat as air mages.

You can consider the GF fliers as the equivalent of an Army Aviation Brigade - Apaches and Kiowas, compared to the "fighters" that are AF mages.

[Vivio Testarossa]

Is the "shota boy's" name Erio or Elio?

[monir]

Question: Why aren't more Nanoha-fans watching the show Macademia Wasshoui (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=59722) considering the show is just as nutty as an average Nanoha-fan? Just wondering.

*waves at Skane and Chaos2Frozen for no particular reason* :D

[Evil Rick]

Question: Why aren't more Nanoha-fans watching the show Macademia Wasshoui (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=59722) considering the show is just as nutty as an average Nanoha-fan? Just wondering.

*waves at Skane and Chaos2Frozen for no particular reason* :D

Is that a "question" or you are promoting? :heh:

Well to answer it, probablyu because I had never heared of it before :eyespin:

But if it's Nanoha-style, I'll probably gave it a chance, gonna check it latter ;) it's alredy 1:23 AM here and I need to sleep -.- zzz

[Keroko]

Question: Why aren't more Nanoha-fans watching the show Macademia Wasshoui (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=59722) considering the show is just as nutty as an average Nanoha-fan? Just wondering.

*waves at Skane and Chaos2Frozen for no particular reason* :D

I can't speak for all, but while I may be as nutty as the show, when I watch anime I like to watch something with a little more... serious a story-line.

I mean, its a funny show, but the only parallel between Macademia and Nanoha is that they both center around magic.

[PhoenixFlare]

Is the "shota boy's" name Erio or Elio?

I believe the Japanese pronunciation is Elio, though for politically correct English speakers, Erio sounds better. It's the same when they pronounce Fate as Fato (spelling?). No offense meant.

[Keroko]

To add to PhoenixFlare, his ID card and the website both call him "Erio."

[Avatar_notADV]

We can't actually take the website as "official" spellings, however. If I recall correctly, they list Zafira as "Zafila", whereas "Zafira" is the approved English spelling.

On the other hand, quite a lot of the other names do correspond with the website ("Harlaown", which I still think might have been intended to be "Hallahoun", but oh well. When they give you a list of approved spellings, you use it!)

[Chaos2Frozen]

Question: Why aren't more Nanoha-fans watching the show Macademia Wasshoui (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=59722) considering the show is just as nutty as an average Nanoha-fan? Just wondering.

*waves at Skane and Chaos2Frozen for no particular reason* :D


Lol, you've actually came... Welcome to the Hornets' Nest.



But if it's Nanoha-style, I'll probably gave it a chance, gonna check it latter ;) it's alredy 1:23 AM here and I need to sleep -.- zzz

The only thing similiar is the level of destruction...

Well actually, it's more destructive then Nanoha...

...And it's not really mahou shoujo either >.>



On the other hand, quite a lot of the other names do correspond with the website ("Harlaown", which I still think might have been intended to be "Hallahoun", but oh well. When they give you a list of approved spellings, you use it!)

I've got away with spelling 'Haralown' for several months and nobody stopped me...

In the end I believe it's whatever you want it to be as long as people recognize it.

[Avatar_notADV]

I've got away with spelling 'Haralown' for several months and nobody stopped me...

In the end I believe it's whatever you want it to be as long as people recognize it.

Yeah, but they care slightly more how it's spelled in the official release, right? ;p

[Dark Wing]

We can't actually take the website as "official" spellings, however. If I recall correctly, they list Zafira as "Zafila", whereas "Zafira" is the approved English spelling.

Isn't that mostly due to the fact that there isn't really an "L" in the Japanese language so when Zafila is pronouns it sounds like Zafira because the "L" turns into an "R"?

[Avatar_notADV]

That explains the source of the r/l confusion (as usual). But the point here is that, while the website matches for most of the characters, it doesn't match for Zafira; therefore we can't assume its spellings are "official" for any of the StrikerS characters.

[DezoPenguin]

Okay, here's a question. What's Fate's military rank, if she has one? She's always listed as just "Enforcer," so is that a case of:

(a) Enforcer is a funky Naval rank that the TSAB happens to use; it's a fictional setting so the rank titles don't have to track real-world ones all the time; or

(b) Enforcer is her position within the Naval investigative architecture and she has a rank but nobody ever mentions it; or

(c) Enforcer is a title similar to, say "Special Agent" in an FBI-type system. That would imply that Fate's job is similar to, say, NCIS, which operates under the overall aegis of the Navy but is staffed by technically nonmilitary agency personnel.

Anyone know?

[Keroko]

(c) Enforcer is a title similar to, say "Special Agent" in an FBI-type system. That would imply that Fate's job is similar to, say, NCIS, which operates under the overall aegis of the Navy but is staffed by technically nonmilitary agency personnel.

From what we've seen so far, this one seems to be the most accurate, except for the later part. Fate is pretty much a Special Agent, but she's still military personnel.

[Estavali]

Hmm, some canon check, please.

Did SSX mention any details about Subaru's posting? Is she permanently stationed in or around Cranagan, or is she in one of those mobile units that move around a lot? Was her rank (in SSX) mentioned as well? Likewise for the Nakajima Numbers, was anything mentioned about which unit they are afflicted with? Genya's 108 Squadron or somewhere else?

Much thanks in advance (_ _)

[Comartemis]

Do we have an exact figure on Carim Gracia's age?

[Kha]

Why don't you ask her yourself? ;)

But no; 7Arcs, like most women aren't forthcoming with their ages, but I'm guessing late twenties to early 30s.