Nanoha - Q&A

[GlancingReverse]

Does anyone know around when Eternal Blaze and all those StrikerS songs were put up for purchase on iTunes?

[spawnofthejudge]

Does anyone know around when Eternal Blaze and all those StrikerS songs were put up for purchase on iTunes?You mean US iTunes? Those are all from the "Japan Animesong Collection", and they're apparently all covers. Going through them, they're hit or miss, but nothing matching the originals.

According to iTunes, they all had a March '09 release date.

I switched to Japan and Japanese, but couldn't find the originals :(.

[Nanya01]

2 questions...

1: How long did the events of SSX last anyway?

2: This isn't Nanoha-specific, but I was wondering something... I know that Yami means dark, Hikari means light, and Yuki can mean Ice/Snow... What romanized Japanese word can mean "Flame/Fire" anyway?

[Keroko]

The first one I'm not sure off, but flame can translate to... well, it's a long list actually, so rather than posting a wall of text, here's a link. (http://www.df.lth.se/cgi-bin/j-e/dosearch?sDict=on&H=PS&L=E&T=flame&WC=none&FG=r&BG=b&S=26) Some of them are quite poetic.

[GlancingReverse]

I think SSX lasted about two or three days at the least. One for Teana staying at Subaru's place, and the second involving the rest of the incident. However, I doubt that they could do all they did in one day, so it might be two. Of course, it's probably longer, but that much at the least.

[PhoenixG]

2: This isn't Nanoha-specific, but I was wondering something... I know that Yami means dark, Hikari means light, and Yuki can mean Ice/Snow... What romanized Japanese word can mean "Flame/Fire" anyway?

As far I know Honoo, Hi or En can be used.

[Keroko]

If it's for a name, I'd suggest 'shinka' (sacred flame) or 'naien' (inner flame) for poetic effect myself.

[hideki101]

You could also try Homura.

Anyways, small question. What's the color of Tea's Starlight Breaker? Orange like her own magic color, or pink as normal? I mean the only other time we saw it with Reinforce I it was still pink, but I have a feeling that it was just a copy.

[Nya~n]

You could also try Homura.

Anyways, small question. What's the color of Tea's Starlight Breaker? Orange like her own magic color, or pink as normal? I mean the only other time we saw it with Reinforce I it was still pink, but I have a feeling that it was just a copy.

No idea. SSX is called a sound episode for a reason. No visuals. I'd assume it's her own orange, since she's the one linking the free mana lying around.

[Rising Dragon]

That's what I was thinking, since Reinforce has Nanoha's data and would be probably be able to copy her magic perfectly.

We're also told that Subaru and Erio's Lightning Driver is visually similar to GaoGaiGar's Bolting Driver, which baffles me since it was also in SSX... so how do we know it looks like that?

[al103]

...
It wasn't pink with Rein 1 but white.

[Tormenk]

He may be talking about the actual color of the SLB, not the magic circle Rein I used for the SLB.

Unless I forgot about the DVD changes..

[Rising Dragon]

Yeah if the magic circle and actual attack was changed to white in the DVDs, then I'm sorry; I haven't seen them. But in the original episodes, the circle that appeared beneath Reinforce was white, while the magic circle and magical particles for the Starlight Breaker itself was pink.

[al103]

Hmmm... Re-watched... It was pinkish but not Nanoha's pink, but something between it and Reinforce white.

[Keroko]

Of course Reinforce used stolen magic, not taught magic. Instead of Reinforce, let's use Subaru. Her Divine Buster is just as blue as her magic.

[Rising Dragon]

Hmmm... Re-watched... It was pinkish but not Nanoha's pink, but something between it and Reinforce white.

You sure? I just cross-checked it with Nanoha's Starlight Breaker in episode 2, and they look the same in color and graphical effect for its build-up.

[Nita]

Can't believe I forgot this, but how old were Subaru and Ginga at the start of StrikerS?

[spawnofthejudge]

Can't believe I forgot this, but how old were Subaru and Ginga at the start of StrikerS?The airplane incident, or after that? (Airplane incident, 11 + 13; StrikerS proper, 15 +17)

[Alavon]

Hey I have a question. What kind of work Nanoha does in ViVid? I know she's a civil...ci...civil servant...whatever!:heh: Is she in a sort of 'Reserve" unit?

[GlancingReverse]

During ViVid, isn't Nanoha just taking a long break and doing no work at all?

[MeisterBabylon]

Yup. I think the fancy way to put it is "Extended Maternity Leave." :heh:

[Alavon]

But Nanoha was wearing her Uniform and was walking along with Vita outside...:confused:

[GlancingReverse]

Really? I don't even think Vita has appeared in Vivid yet, let alone with Nanoha. Then again, I haven't exactly been paying the most attention to ViVid.

[Nanya01]

Civil Servant. I think that Nanoha's just doing mostly weapons testing and paperwork these days.

[Keroko]

Overseeing the training of new members most likely as well. You don't need to be doing the blasting to be doing the teaching after all, standing on the side providing advice and corrections to the trainees is still perfectly possible for Nanoha.

[Jimmy C]

While her "teaching assistant" does the pounding in her name.

[MeisterBabylon]

Pounding. With a Hammer. :D I see what you did thar. :p

[kaworu50]

In Nanoha Strickers, list all villain characters

[Nya~n]

In Nanoha Strickers, list all villain characters

Next time, a little more manners when asking for something.

It's actually quite difficult to list them. You have your villians like Precia, the BoD Corrupt Defense Program and Jail.

And THEN you have your Anti-heroes. Fate, who was being played badly by Precia; the Wolkenritters, who strongly believed that completing the Book would save Hayate; Lutecia, who merely sought to help her mother recover; Zest, who only wanted the answers he need; the Nakajima and Saint Church Numbers, being raised to do Jail's bidding(Dieci was a good example of a good person who was working on the wrong side); and Regius, who got carried away in his strong desire to protect all of his men.

[Keroko]

Definite bad guys with their own selfish goal in minds (Precia type): Jail, Uno, Due, Tre, Quattro, the brains.

Bad guys with good goals (Wolkenritter type): Regius, Zest, Auris, Agito.

Bad guys manipulated into doing the definite bad guys will (Fate type): Lutecia, Cinque, Sein, Sette, Otto, Nove, Dieci, Wendi, Deed.

[tyronoa]

Hi again guys,

I still can't find the episode where Carim gave the prophecy and would really appreciate some help.

Also, was it mentioned where Lutecia learned to summon, cause I might have to mark my story slightly AU if it was.

[DKN117]

I have a minor nitpick that no-one else seems to ever wonder about. I saw "Q & A" and thought this might fit here; feel free to move it somewhere else if there's a better forum section for it.

Just how big was Precia's base, the Garden of Time, anyway? Are we talking small, like around 1500-2000 meters, like an Imperial Star Destroyer or Covenant Battlecruiser? Are we thinking big, like an Assault Carrier (5300 meters)? Huge, like an Imperial Super Star Destroyer or Forerunner Keyship (17 & 14 km)? Or did it look more like f*king huge like High Charity (didn't even bother measuring that thing)? We're never given anything to scale it against, so I've always wondered how large the Garden of Time is/was. Any conjectures?

[NorthernFallout]

I think we lack size references to anything MGLN has in space. The warships, TSAB HQ, Garden of Time; we can only theorize unless we are given some numbers which, to my knowledge, doesn't exist.

[Resonance_]

Don't know if this has been asked before, but will Nanoha Force be made into an anime? If its anything like the other manga before it, the anime should be out by now or soon.

[Rising Dragon]

Don't know if this has been asked before, but will Nanoha Force be made into an anime? If its anything like the other manga before it, the anime should be out by now or soon.

We don't know. Right now its just a manga.

[Evil Rick]

Don't know if this has been asked before, but will Nanoha Force be made into an anime? If its anything like the other manga before it, the anime should be out by now or soon.

Perhaps, depends on how much people like the manga, I guess.

[Alavon]

Does anyone know Subaru's father's name?

[Nanya01]

Does anyone know Subaru's father's name?

Genya Nakajima

[Jimmy C]

Given how the franchise's products have been released, there's a good chance that Force and Vivid won't be animated. If there is a next animated series, it'll likely take place after the events of Force.

[Nya~n]

IF being the keyword here.

[Nanya01]

I think there's enough of a cast that they could do a bunch of OVAs focusing around each...

Oh, right, Sound Stages...

[Nya~n]

After all, why bother spending money on animation when the real fans will still lap up the Sound Stages?

[tyronoa]

Hi again guys,

I still can't find the episode where Carim gave the prophecy and would really appreciate some help.

Also, was it mentioned where Lutecia learned to summon, cause I might have to mark my story slightly AU if it was.

Anyone can answer the questions i posted here?

Also, are the Forwards' positions actual military positions (Teana = Centre Guard, Erio = Wing Guard, etc.) or are they just made up?

[spawnofthejudge]

Also, are the Forwards' positions actual military positions (Teana = Centre Guard, Erio = Wing Guard, etc.) or are they just made up?The positions are in-universe psychology, it seems. A position is assigned based on what job the individual performs when they are working in a squad situation. I don't think we have any confirmation for that, though. I know they are not ranks. Does that answer your question?

As for your other question: I keep getting reminded of it at work, where I can't pull it up and answer it :p

[Nanya01]

Anyone can answer the questions i posted here?

Also, are the Forwards' positions actual military positions (Teana = Centre Guard, Erio = Wing Guard, etc.) or are they just made up?

Between episodes 11 and 16 are where you want to find where Carim has her prophecy...

I think maybe episode 12, honestly, just after Vivio showed up.

[Fuyu no Sora]

Between episodes 11 and 16 are where you want to find where Carim has her prophecy...

I think maybe episode 12, honestly, just after Vivio showed up.

Very close assumption. It's actually on episode 13.

[tyronoa]

Very close assumption. It's actually on episode 13.

Yeap. Found it near the end of episode 13. Thanks Nanya and Fuyu.

[FRS]

Anyone know the age of Lutecia during Striker's and how long did her mother staid in a coma ?

[Nanya01]

Lutecia was like 10/11 in StrikerS. Her mother was in a coma for at least eight years.

[MeisterBabylon]

And all my medical knowledge is screaming "central nervous necrosis" at that long time spent in a persistent vegetative state... :heh:

[FRS]

Lutecia was like 10/11 in StrikerS. Her mother was in a coma for at least eight years.

Thanks

And all my medical knowledge is screaming "central nervous necrosis" at that long time spent in a persistent vegetative state... :heh:

"A wizard did it !"

:heh:

[Nanya01]

To be fair, she was kept, naked, in a tube that could keep her body from fully breaking down any worse than what it already was after all.

[JINNSK]

Anyone know the age of Lutecia during Striker's and how long did her mother staid in a coma ?

According to this production sketch,Lutecia was 9 during StrikerS.
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/nanoha/sketches_sts/th_Side_B_0057.jpg (http://s264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/nanoha/sketches_sts/Side_B_0057.jpg)

According to the explanation about Lutecia in Nanoha Wiki (http://nanoha.julynet.jp/?%C5%D0%BE%EC%BF%CD%CA%AA%2FStrikerS#fa1ce43f),She was 9歳(9 years old).

@Nanya
Is there any official source?:confused:

[MeisterBabylon]

"A wizard did it !"

:heh:That reminds me. Looking at the TSAB, and asking "how the heck did someone take over the world?" What answer do you get?

"A wizard did it."

I wonder if that is the whole point of everything we never understood about Nanoha now... :uhoh:

[al103]

According to this production sketch,Lutecia was 9 during StrikerS.
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/nanoha/sketches_sts/th_Side_B_0057.jpg (http://s264.photobucket.com/albums/ii189/JINNSK/nanoha/sketches_sts/Side_B_0057.jpg)

According to the explanation about Lutecia in Nanoha Wiki (http://nanoha.julynet.jp/?%C5%D0%BE%EC%BF%CD%CA%AA%2FStrikerS#fa1ce43f),She was 9歳(9 years old).


I actually remember 12y.o. from somewhere... which would fit nicely if this sketch for moment when they found Agito... and it really looks like it. Which also would answer question WHEN they found Agito - 3 years before series...

[Tormenk]

Could be two years ago. She's indicated as current self as 9yo while her "past" self is 7yo, right next to the Agito figure for comparison.

[al103]

Ah, you are right. Then she is indeed 9.

[Nanya01]

At most 9. Since Megane was in stasis sleep for 8 years and Cinque commented that Megane had a new-born daughter.

Just re-watched the scene. ^^;;

[al103]

At most 9. Since Megane was in stasis sleep for 8 years and Cinque commented that Megane had a new-born daughter.

Just re-watched the scene. ^^;;

There was nothing about newborn in translation. Was it in japanese?

[Nanya01]

There was nothing about newborn in translation. Was it in japanese?

Huh? Really? It said Newborn on my translation.

...

Don't you just *loooove* translation issues? ^^;;

[RadiantBeam]

Huh? Really? It said Newborn on my translation.

...

Don't you just *loooove* translation issues? ^^;;

The translation I have just said Megane had a daughter. O_o

[isagrimorie]

I know it was said that when a familiar is killed the effects would be detrimental to the master but if Arf dies (knock on wood) would that automatically mean Fate would grow stronger now that she isn't constantly feeding Arf mana?

[DezoPenguin]

I know it was said that when a familiar is killed the effects would be detrimental to the master but if Arf dies (knock on wood) would that automatically mean Fate would grow stronger now that she isn't constantly feeding Arf mana?

As far as I can tell, yes. Come to think of it, I'm not even sure about the "detrimental effects on the master" part (though a quick review of the freshly-translated-by-Nagumo Sound Stage 2 would be good to check on that).

[isagrimorie]

From the translation, there does seem to be some kind of damage if a familiar is killed:

Precia: If a third party destroyed a familiar, it would have damaged the contractor, Fate, as well through the link they had. Did you seriously think I would do something like that?

And thanks for answering, I was unsure if I understood Precia's statement correctly:

Precia: Yes it’s over. Once you’ve finished the staff, disappear immediately. Maintaining a high level/quality/independent familiar like you is very difficult.

Glad to see I'm not way off base.

I was rewatching the series and I wondered how strong Fate really is, we never really do see Fate go up against a really worthy opponent. All her matches with Signum were cut short or left to our imagination. Sometimes I do feel like its a cop out much as I loved the Signum vs. Nanoha special I've always wanted to see how a Signum vs. Fate match would go.

[hideki101]

Well, it's said that Signum generally beats Fate, but yeah, I want to see an actual confrontation.

Coupla questions here:

What type of device is Sacred Heart?

What does Diabolic Emission do? I mean I know it's supposed to be a wise area spatial attack or some such, but whenever it's used it just seems to darken the area inside the globe for a bit.

[Nanya01]

Sacred Heart is an intelligent Device, from what I saw. Just a new one that needs time to grow. It can use Belkan magic though. Or at least help Vivio use Belkan magic.

Diabolic Emission is a spatial attack. From the way everyone reacts, I don't think it's a typical magic attack in the series. It's probably one of the few lethal moves around.

[Alavon]

Does anyone know what 'Nanoha' means? I was curious. I searched a lot of places but it appears as if her name was just made up...

[pankzman]

Does anyone know what 'Nanoha' means? I was curious. I searched a lot of places but it appears as if her name was just made up...

Nanoha is named after "rape blossom".
Rape blossom is "Nanohana(菜の花　なのはな)" in Japanese.:)

[Nagumo]

Nanoha is named after "rape blossom".
Rape blossom is "Nanohana(菜の花　なのはな)" in Japanese.:)

I have a sudden urge to act all insensitive and immature...

Nanoha, she'll beam rape you... b!7$#

[Alavon]

"Rape Blossom"?

*snicker*

Maybe I should tell my friend not to choose that name for her next semester Japanese class... :heh:

[pankzman]

Nanoha is pretty name.:)

http://www.animelab.com/anime.manga/dictionary/?word=%E3%81%AA%E3%81%AE%E3%81%AF%E3%81%AA&type=kata&search=Normal

[Kaijo]

I've got a question. From what I understand, there are 5 main divisions/sections. Hence, why Hayate's group was Section Six. So has it been said anywhere in particualr what those sections/divisions are?

I'm guessing at the following:
#1 Ground army forces
#2 Naval Ship forces
#3 Disaster Planning and Humanitarian Division
#4 Engineering division?
#5 - ??? (Maybe there is a division for Enforcers/Agents ?)

If there is no canon for them, has anyone dealt with this in a fanon way?

[Nya~n]

I've got a question. From what I understand, there are 5 main divisions/sections. Hence, why Hayate's group was Section Six. So has it been said anywhere in particualr what those sections/divisions are?

I'm guessing at the following:
#1 Ground army forces
#2 Naval Ship forces
#3 Disaster Planning and Humanitarian Division
#4 Engineering division?
#5 - ??? (Maybe there is a division for Enforcers/Agents ?)

If there is no canon for them, has anyone dealt with this in a fanon way?

i don't think they mean section six in that way. it's like how, let's say the infantry, has the ###th division.

[Bananoha]

So has it been said anywhere in particualr what those sections/divisions are?Let's see how much of this I have right.

Remember that the TSAB/Administrative Bureau is basically an interdimensional security force formed by several administrated worlds.

1) Air force
2) Ground force
- Battalion 108 belongs here.
3) Sailing Force - It seriously says that, but we all know they mean the navy.
- Fate works as an Enforcer under the Interstellar Navigation Bureau which is part of the navy part of TSAB iirc Three aces of the ground, sea and sky, so I'm assuming Teana [in Force] would be here.
- Subaru [in SSX] is part of the reallylongtitlethatiforgetexactly uhhh Security Harbour Force Disaster Rescue and Relief Second Team, which sounds like it belongs here. Or my brain is frying and thinking that Disaster Management is something else.
4) Medical Center - sup Shamal
5) Database -> Infinity Library - Midchildan, but affiliated with TSAB, I think....
6) Intelligence Department - Woops, forgot this. Sorry, Verossa!

I guess the engineering thing could be a different section, but it seems only willing higher ranked mages or special cases would be able to get a special device made specifically for them. Or they could be pro like Subaru and Teana and craft their own devices. Then there's, uh, Shario [s]who likes to create/tweak WMDs.... Anyway, the majority of TSAB uses Storage/Armed Devices now, depending if you pick Belkan or Midchildan magic, so you get the standard/mass produced models. :V

[Rising Dragon]

Just how many names does Hayate's division have, anyway?

[Bananoha]

Just how many names does Hayate's division have, anyway?機動六課 = Mobile Section Six
Lost Property Riot Force Six
八神はやてのハレム

[MeisterBabylon]

ハレム End indeed. :uhoh:

[Nya~n]

Sugisaki Hayate. I like this. except that Hayate's more like Chizuru and that Vice fits the role of Sugizaki more.

[Dr. Casey]

I have a question, kind people of the Nanoha forum. Why does Arf look younger in Strikers than she does in the original or A's? Maybe I missed something, but I don't remember that being explained at all.

[Keroko]

They did, though not in the anime. In the A's to StrikerS manga, she explains that her smaller form drains less magical energy from Fate.

[Dr. Casey]

Thanks Kero, glad to have the lolification make sense now.

[Rising Dragon]

Actually they kind of did explain it at the end of the A's anime, too, when she was telling Zafira that her smaller puppy form didn't drain mana as much. Makes sense if you apply it to her human child form, really.

[Keroko]

Actually, she was talking about looking cuter and getting treats from random people going 'aaaw' in A's. :p

[Kaijo]

This was a timeline I put together from the anime, manga, and the Japanese wiki. I haven't included Sound Stage information yet. The Japanese seem to have a few extra ways of telling specific dates, via some timelines in magazines and sound stage material.

For the most part, this should be roughly accurate, although I made a few educated guesses here and there. I tried to only really include the more important information, leaving off minor stuff. I also tried to break it into season chunks, as it made a bit more sense to me

If something seems a bit off, or you have a source that better identifies something, let me know. I'd eventually pretty it up and add it to the Nanoha wikia and/or FAQ thread.

Pre-series:
462 (Old calender) - Dimension dislocation that devastated several worlds

225 BC - Age of Ancient Belka, the age of the Saint (analysis of Vivio's DNA can tell time!?) And yes, it's BC as this was stated to be 300 years ago, so 225 before the year 0, approximately. Would be nice to know what year the old calender ended at.

75 BC - TSA is founded, begins to root out mass-based weapons and regulates Lost Logia (Fate says that was 150 years ago in StrikerS ep14,) This founding is in response to the Mid-Childan wars that utilized mass-based weapons, as a way to switch over to magic-based civilization.

0 - TSA establishes their main branch in space, and ground HQ on Mid-Childa (3 old admirals critical in this time)
15(or earlier) - Gil Graham saves an Administration Bureau clerk
29 - Clyde Harlaown born (assuming the A's sketch that he is 25 at death is correct)
33 - Lindy born
32-34 - Alicia born? (she could be 5-7 years old; JP wiki tends to think 5)
35 - Regius joins the TSAB (Auris to Hayate "he's been in the TSA for 40 years")
39 - Precia is the 3rd director of Central Science & Development Bureau when she is exiled due to failed experiement; Alicia(5-7 years old) is presumably killed
50 - Chrono is born
53 - Tiida Lanster born
54 - Clyde dies to book of darkness (assuming age 25; Lindy 21, Chrono 3)
56 - Nanoha, Yuuno, Hayate born
58 - Ginga born? (possibly unsure due to nature of birth)
59 - Teana Lanster born
59-60 - Lanster parents die
60 - Subaru born? (same as her sister)
62-63 - Fate born as a 7 year old girl?
64 - Quint shuts down a lab, finds and adopts Ginga and Subaru
64-65 - Yuuno finds & loses Jewel seeds, goes to Earth and seals one, gets injured on second (he meets Nanoha

First Season - Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha
Season 1 and 2 take place entirely with the year 0065 (Nanoha, Yuuno, Fate 9, Chrono 14 depending on birthday? I'm assuming everyone goes up an age sometime during these two seasons)

Janurary to Feburary - Nanoha meets Yuuno, gains magic powers (Strikers ep9 "Just a few short months after she learned about magic, another life-risking battle took place" referring to Fate)
April - Nanoha meets Fate for the first time
April 26th - Nanoha and Fate clash over jewel seed that creates dimensional disturbance(TSAB take notice)
April 27th - Fate takes 4 seeds back to Precia, gets whipped
May 6th - Six seeds are sealed over the ocean by Nanoha and Fate
May 7-10th? - Nanoha spends some time with friends and family, then fights Fate above Uminari Seaside Park. Precia activates her 9 jewel seeds, final confrontation

Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha A's

June 3rd - Book of Darkness awakens, Wolkenritter emerge
October 27th - Wolkenritter find out Hayate's life is at stake, begin collecting cores
December 2nd - Vita attacks Nanoha
December 13th - Nanoha, Fate, Arisa, and Suzuka visit Hayate in the hospital for the first time
December 24th - Final confrontation with the Book of Darkness


Pre-Strikers:
65 - Caro, Lutecia Born; technically could be Erio, but he was a clone, so his true birth date is unknown.
65 - A woman (Due in disguise?) seduces a priest to steal the shroud of the saint; genetic experiments begin on it
67 - Zest, Quint Nakajima die, & Megane Alphino captured
67 - Reinforce Zwei born, Hayate meets Carim shortly after that(ep4, "8 years ago")
67-68 winter - Nanoha's is seriously injured (2 years after she came to the Bureau), Hayate spends some time in the hospital with her as her own legs recover
69 - Teana's brother, Tiida, dies (Tiida 16, Teana 10)
69 - Vice accidentally shoots Laguna, his sister
69 - Vivio born in a lab (same clone problem)
69 - Fate gets S rank, Erio is taken from his family by some group; might be TSAB or someone else
71 - A's Epilogue (6 years later)
71 - Caro kicked out of her tribe, she's taken in by a TSAB shelter some time after
71 - Fate finds Erio locked up in a straight jacket, takes him to a housing facility, becomes his guardian; although technically Lindy is Legal guardian ("became guardian not too long ago" with a note about Erio's 6th birthday)
72 - Fate becomes Caro's Guardian
72 - Chrono and Amy are married, waste no time in popping out kids (the picture in Strikers makes the two kids appear to be at least 3; shotgun wedding?)
73 - Zest and Lutecia rescue Agito
73 - Erio is at the Main office housing facility until age 8, but it sounds like Fate's been teaching him magic for awhile ("Since before I can remember, she would do a lot for me")

Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS(mostly takes place over a year):
71, April 29th - Airport fire where Nanoha(15) & Fate rescue Subaru & Ginga
75, April 25th - Teana & Subaru take 1st B rank test and fail
75, April 29th - Teana & Subaru take 2nd B rank test, pass and join Section 6
75, May 13th - 2 weeks after Teana & Subaru join S6, First deployment, battle on the train
75, June-July? - Hotel Augusta incident
75, June-July? (several days later?) - Teana's breakdown, Shari tells Nanoha's past
75, July (2 weeks since breakdown) - Section Six's day off, Vivio found, battle in city
75, August - Vivio settles in with Nanoha-mama, the whole question of "Who is strongest?" comes up
75 September 5th - Subaru/Ginga have their annual checkup (7 days before peace conference)
75, September 12th - Peace Conference incident (almost had their 9/11!)
75, September 19th - Cradle Fight
75, October - life returns to normal, people begin to discuss what they are gonna do after
76, April 28th - Section six disbands 1 year after it's formed

[Rising Dragon]

Actually, she was talking about looking cuter and getting treats from random people going 'aaaw' in A's. :p

Yeah, uh, calling her puppy form really fuel-efficient doesn't exactly translate into that. =X

[DKN117]

Don't know where else to turn but here, considering the old wounds still festering amongst the Nanoha Fanfic section.

I hear that someone, somewhere released official height data for Nanoha & company. Is this merely an unfounded rumor?

[Outlaender]

Don't know where else to turn but here, considering the old wounds still festering amongst the Nanoha Fanfic section.

I hear that someone, somewhere released official height data for Nanoha & company. Is this merely an unfounded rumor?


Well, there is a height chart for Strikers characters, I don't have a link handy, but it may be on the MSLN main site. Try a web search for same. You'll probably find it.

[Tempy]

Don't know where else to turn but here, considering the old wounds still festering amongst the Nanoha Fanfic section.

I hear that someone, somewhere released official height data for Nanoha & company. Is this merely an unfounded rumor?

There this image:
http://imgur.com/cTRcUs.png (http://imgur.com/cTRcU.jpg)

I do not know whether or not it is official. The art style looks pretty close to the manga art, so it could very well be. When it was posted in the image thread, there was a small discussion about some heights seeming off and whatnot. I personally feel that even the image is unofficial, it's a pretty good estimate as to the character heights. While some people are missing, it shouldn't be too hard to guesstimate the height with visuals from the anime and manga. Just be careful of perspectives.

[Keroko]

The image itself is from the design sketches, so it's official. The colored height bars and data, though, were fan-added.

[Bananoha]

Well, Reinforce Zwei is approximately 30cm (http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz248/opanpon/MGLN/b7b6ca37.jpg). The only other official measurement I remember is of Hayate when she was 15 (http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz248/opanpon/MGLN/7e26d7ea.jpg) and those er, two other dudes I guess.

.... And Veyron is 180cm....

[DKN117]

Where does this leave Shamal? And Zafira? And Arf (both regular and LOLI forms)? And the Numbers? And earlier-season characters like Precia and Reinforce, the Lieze Twins, and Linith?

[Nya~n]

well, we'll have to waituntil tsuzuki decides to provide us with some numbers(which seems like NEVER)

[DKN117]

...I forgot; Vivio's Sankt Kaiser Form. They never gave us height for that, either.

[DKN117]

Ah, screw it. I'm stickin' with my old personal guesses for everyone. How do these sound?

Nanoha: 1.42m (4'8") in A's; 1.73m (5'8") in StrikerS
Fate: 1.47m (4'10") in A's; 1.78m (5'10") in StrikerS
Alisa/Alyssa/Arisa: 1.4m (4'7") in A's; 1.7m (5'7") by StrikerS
Suzuka: 1.45m (4'9") in A's; 1.75m (5'9") by StrikerS
Yuuno: 1.47m (4'10") in A's; ?? in StrikerS
Arf: 1.8m (6 ft.) in Adult Form; ?? in Kid Form
Chrono: 1.55m (5'1") in A's; ?? in StrikerS
Amy: 1.66m (5'6")
Aria & Lotte Lieze: 1.69m (5' 6 1/2")
Vita: 1.35m (4'5")
Signum: 1.75m (5'9")
Shamal: 1.73m (5'8")
Zafira: 1.93m (6'4")
Hayate: 1.45m (4'9") in A's; 1.75m (5'9") in StrikerS
Precia Testarossa: 1.8m (5'11")
Subaru: 1.62m (5'4")
Teana: 1.67m (5'6")
Ginga: 1.69m (5'7")
Erio: 1.41m (4' 7 1/2")
Caro: 1.34m (4'5")
Vivio: 1.04m (3'5") as 5-year-old; 1.65m (5'5") in Sankt Kaiser Forme
Lutecia: 1.37m (4'6")
Zest: 1.84m (6'2")
Jail Scaglietti: 1.85m (6'2")
Uno: 1.8m (6')
Due: 1.65m (5'6")
Tre: 1.89m (6' 2 1/2") ...I think I screwed up calculations somewhere...
Quattro: 1.63m (5'4")
Cinque: 1.44m (4'9")
Sein: 1.67m (5'6")
Sette: 1.78m (5'10")
Otto: 1.57m (5'2")
Nove: 1.62m (5'4")
Dieci: 1.52m (5 ft.)
Wendi: 1.65m (5'5")
Deed/Diido: 1.7m (5'7")

[TheShinySword]

O-O Hayate's 5'9!!

Hayate's one of the shortest nonloli members of the cast! Sankt Kaiser Vivio is the tallest female cast member. Your calculations are way way way off.

Edit: For the record Hayate is 4'11 not 5'9

[Nya~n]

Remember, Hayate has Japanese genes, which most likely means she's already short(no racism intended here...). If you include the years of slightly stunted growth from the BoD eating into her... There's no way she's 5'9

[DKN117]

How about 5'4" (1.6m)? Is that a little more realistic for StrikerS!Hayate?

[TheShinySword]

How about 5'4" (1.6m)? Is that a little more realistic for StrikerS!Hayate?

http://i.imgur.com/cTRcU.jpg <= She's 4'9.

There are centimeter measurements for almost all the characters there. (sans numbers who are all medium to tall in height except for loli cinque)
Your guesses are all either way too tall or way too short. (leans on the way too tall side though, think Japanese heights not western heights)

[DKN117]

http://i.imgur.com/cTRcU.jpg <= She's 4'9.

There are centimeter measurements for almost all the characters there. (sans numbers who are all medium to tall in height except for loli cinque)
Your guesses are all either way too tall or way too short. (leans on the way too tall side though, think Japanese heights not western heights)

...But... but I have 4'9" as her 10-year-old height! What would that make her 19-year-old height, then? Are you saying she didn't grow an inch in 10 years?!

[Nanya01]

...But... but I have 4'9" as her 10-year-old height! What would that make her 19-year-old height, then? Are you saying she didn't grow an inch in 10 years?!

Hayate grew somewhere between 20 and 30 cm in 10 years. She was only about as tall as Vita in As. (as was Nanoha and Fate)

[TheShinySword]

...But... but I have 4'9" as her 10-year-old height! What would that make her 19-year-old height, then? Are you saying she didn't grow an inch in 10 years?!

I'm telling you that your heights are just plain wrong. They're based mostly on inapplicable western standards.

As Nanya said if she was about Vita's height (4'0) during A's then she grew 9 inches between A's and StrikerS.

[DKN117]

So Nanoha, Fate, Hayate, & Vita (and presumably Yuuno) were, in A's, the height I as an American would typically expect of a 6-7-year-old? Ditto for StrikerS' Erio, Caro, & Lutecia? And everyone's full-adult sizes are as short as or shorter than my 15-year-old sister? (...okay, bad example; Melanie is VERY tall for her age, around 5'10", but you get the point that I mean the AVERAGE American mid-teen)

[TheShinySword]

So Nanoha, Fate, Hayate, & Vita (and presumably Yuuno) were, in A's, the height I as an American would typically expect of a 6-7-year-old? Ditto for StrikerS' Erio, Caro, & Lutecia? And everyone's full-adult sizes are as short as or shorter than my 15-year-old sister? (...okay, bad example; Melanie is VERY tall for her age, around 5'10", but you get the point that I mean the AVERAGE American mid-teen)

Yes.

Though,
The average height for an American female is 5'4 and male is 5'9 fully grown.

Compare to the average 5'2 for Japanese females and 5'71/2 for men.

[Bananoha]

Why do you want to know their heights again?

PS - I'm eyeballing it, but Adult Vivio looks like 172cm~174cm with her heels of death if we go by that fan-made chart. Too lazy to actually check if she's taller than Verossa or not.Hayate grew somewhere between 20 and 30 cm in 10 years. She was only about as tall as Vita in As. (as was Nanoha and Fate)Wait, what? (http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz248/opanpon/MGLN/AsAsSideA_001.jpg) And then I suddenly remembered about this height chart (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/14121).

Hmm, 10cm from 15 → 19 feels weird to me for some reason. Maybe it's only 'cause it's Hayate we're talking about....

[MeisterBabylon]

Vivio being this tall makes me think of certain Space Nazi superhumans. :uhoh:

[DKN117]

...I used a combination of basic observation/comparison combined with the official character heights of Mahou Sensei Negima as age-to-height reference (discarding Kaede & Mana, skyscrapers that they be; Negi & Kotaro are 10-year-old boys and are both around 1.4 meters; Evangeline is tiny at biologically 10 and only 1.3 meters, but since she was born in the Middle Ages when people were shorter she makes sense; I assumed most of the rest of the girls of Class 3-A were average height for their ages (14-16) and extrapolated from there for various other media like Nanoha and Higurashi). Which step caused the massive clusterfrak of mistakes?

[Nya~n]

errr... too many variables, i think. we've got nothing solid to actually work with

[Nanya01]

Hmm, 10cm from 15 → 19 feels weird to me for some reason. Maybe it's only 'cause it's Hayate we're talking about....

Well, Hayate wasn't exactly super-short in As, and when laying down, she and Vita were about the same height, give or take a few inches. By the StrikerS chart, Hayate's 150 CM tall and Vita's 122 CM tall, which means that Hayate, if she was, say... 120 CM tall, grew 30 CM in 10 years.

Which is... *Does the calculations* not even a whole foot in ten years. Just over 11 inches.

[Bananoha]

Well, Hayate wasn't exactly super-short in As, and when laying down, she and Vita were about the same height, give or take a few inches.Er, laying down? Whatever you mean, Hayate looks a head taller (http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz248/opanpon/MGLN/AsAsSideA_030.jpg).By the StrikerS chart, Hayate's 150 CM tall and Vita's 122 CM tall, which means that Hayate, if she was, say... 120 CM tall, grew 30 CM in 10 years.

Which is... *Does the calculations* not even a whole foot in ten years. Just over 11 inches.30cm in 10 years sounds fine from 9 → 19.
10cm from 15 → 19 is what I'm iffy about because I don't know how Hayate's legs work. :B

Bleh, trying to figure out a height chart when we've only been given two exact measurements.
- If Rein is 30cm and her shoes give her 2.43cm, everyone is slightly shorter.
- If Rein is 30cm with the shoes on, everyone.... is still slightly shorter than what the chart makes them out to be.Or something. Jeebus, should not be touching the computer with 9 hrs of sleep over three days..... lol @ heights anyway. I have a friend who's grown 15cm from 14 → 16. I've maybe grown 10cm at the most from 12 → 19. And we're both female Asians with ethnic backgrounds where the height average is shorter than the average Japanese female.

[Nanya01]

I went from 9 -> 19 for my basis, not the epilogue of As, since I don't have a ton of pictures to compare to.

[Gespenst]

According to Wikipedia she's 134cm (4' 5'') in A's and In StrikerS she's 155cm (5' 1'')

I don't know where they got that info from though.

[Estavali]

Hmm, according to Nanohawiki (the Japanese wiki, that is), during StrikerS:

Nanoha: 160cm
Yuuno: 168cm
Signum: 167cm (ara, shorter than I've expected)
Subaru: 154cm (she was 120cm when she was 11, during the airport fire)
Agito: Around 30cm (same as Rein)
Duo and Quottro: Around 160cm

(Those not found here did not have their height mentioned in the StrikerS character page.)

Also:

Ginga: 130cm when she was 13 (during the airport fire)
Auris: Around 170cm
Quint: 160cm
Megane (Lutecia's mom): 160cm
Mariel: Around 150cm
Amy: 160cm


... Hmmm.

It seems that the general height range is around 160cm, save for the very tall (like Zest) and the very short (Rein II and Agito). Together with the height chart, I believe it's possible to hazard a fairly close estimate on their actual heights. Hope this helps.

[Bananoha]

Yeah, not like it makes a difference that the fan-made chart is off by an inch or two unless you're really picky. Interesting to know how much taller 19 yr old Nanoha is than me, though. :3I went from 9 -> 19 for my basis, not the epilogue of As, since I don't have a ton of pictures to compare to.Okay, that I can understand. The only person who's in both A's group picture thing is Amy and she's making me really confused.Hmm, according to Nanohawiki (the Japanese wiki, that is), during StrikerS:sdgdfjgbdkg I was just posting that. Argh, whatever. @_@

Here's the proof, too lazy to look at the rest of the book (http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz248/opanpon/MGLN/SideB_053.jpg). Text says Alpine [Lutecia's mama] is the same height as 19 yr old Nanoha: 160cm.

Now what I'm confused about is Amy. If she's 160cm in StrikerS, does that mean Signum grew (http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz248/opanpon/MGLN/AsAsSideA_001.jpg)?

[Estavali]

Yeah, not like it makes a difference that the fan-made chart is off by an inch or two unless you're really picky. Interesting to know how much taller 19 yr old Nanoha is than me, though. :3

*imagines a small and cute LVD =3*

Yeah, most of the time fans and fanfic writers wouldn't be too concerned, much less be too particular, about precise character heights.

sdgdfjgbdkg I was just posting that. Argh, whatever. @_@

*pats* Have a cookie =3

Here's the proof, too lazy to look at the rest of the book (http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz248/opanpon/MGLN/SideB_053.jpg). Text says Alpine Lutecia is the same height as 19 yr old Nanoha: 160cm.

You're actually talking about her mom, yes? :heh:

Now what I'm confused about is Amy. If she's 160cm in StrikerS, does that mean Signum grew (http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz248/opanpon/MGLN/AsAsSideA_001.jpg)?

Either that or she's wearing 7cm heels.... :uhoh:

[Alavon]

Yeah, not like it makes a difference that the fan-made chart is off by an inch or two unless you're really picky. Interesting to know how much taller 19 yr old Nanoha is than me, though. :3Okay, that I can understand. The only person who's in both A's group picture thing is Amy and she's making me really confused.sdgdfjgbdkg I was just posting that. Argh, whatever. @_@

Here's the proof, too lazy to look at the rest of the book (http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz248/opanpon/MGLN/SideB_053.jpg). Text says Alpine Lutecia is the same height as 19 yr old Nanoha: 160cm.

Now what I'm confused about is Amy. If she's 160cm in StrikerS, does that mean Signum grew (http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz248/opanpon/MGLN/AsAsSideA_001.jpg)?

The mom I believe...

[Bananoha]

*imagines a small and cute LVD =3*o plz, 155cm is not small.You're actually talking about her mom, yes? :heh:Yes, I think I meant to put Lutecia's mother and then OH MOUNTAINS her name is Alpine and then something went wrong.Either that or she's wearing 7cm heels.... :uhoh:Hohoh, her heels could have been 7cm. I mean, 7 = Nana = Fate, bwahaha. *brick'd*

And I keep thinking that line of the top of A's SideA_001 is 180cm for some reason. Wtf. And I tried to skim through the moonrunes, but then I saw this (http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz248/opanpon/MGLN/SideB_116.jpg) and just burst out laughing.

[Tempy]

o plz, 155cm is not small.

I am 183cm. Compared to me, you are small.

*pats LVD*

[Gespenst]

o plz, 155cm is not small.

It's as small as Hayate (maybe).

And I thought I was pretty short at 178(ish)cm Well I'm still short compared to most of the men I know.

[FRS]

Hmm, according to Nanohawiki (the Japanese wiki, that is), during StrikerS:

Nanoha: 160cm
Yuuno: 168cm
Signum: 167cm (ara, shortly than I've expected)
Subaru: 154cm (she was 120cm when she was 11, during the airport fire)
Agito: Around 30cm (same as Rein)
Duo and Quottro: Around 160cm
...


Signum is only 167 cm tall ?

I always pictured her in the 175-170 cm range, western bias and whatnot i suppose.

[hideki101]

It's as small as Hayate (maybe).

And I thought I was pretty short at 178(ish)cm Well I'm still short compared to most of the men I know.

I'm about 160 cm. Damn you tall people!

[Evil Rick]

I presume Vita is around 120 cm :/

Hah, I'm 192 cm. I win :D

:joke:

[Nanya01]

Hey, in StrikerS, did Lutecia have a device or not?

[Nya~n]

It was a Boost Device called "Asclepius". Visually resembles Caro's Kerykeion, except that it's black with purplish decals.

[isagrimorie]

Apologies if this was already brought up but I'm trying to figure out the command structure of the Enforcement Division (Bureau?) Would it be conceivable if my analog for the Enforcement Bureau be NCIS? (Much like as I think of the Ground Forces investigative arm as Army CID). But instead of civilian agents Enforcers recruit inside the Navy.

And if so, would it also be conceivable to conclude the Enforcer's command structure is something like this?:

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj311/grimorie/Screenshot2010-01-12at112922PM.png

Thanks in advance!

[Dark Wing]

That dose sound just about right.

[isagrimorie]

Whew. Thanks, just needed to have that confirmed!

[Eva aka Pinkfox]

Is there any source that states Yuuno's mage rank?

This website http://nanoha.wikia.com/wiki/Mage_rank lists it as A, but it doesn't give a source. A just seems a bit low to me.

[Keroko]

It's a Megami magazine rank, if I recall. Rank isn't everything anyway, for example Hayate is an SS-rank mage but squishy to the point where she even jokes about Caro beating her in close combat. Likewise, AAA-ranked Nanoha and Fate got tossed around by an aged AA-ranked instructor.

[Bananoha]

A just seems a bit low to me.Can't seem to find the exact source, but I think everything I'm finding is linking back to A's - Arf, Zafira and Shamal are apparently rank A at this time, too....

[Ottocycle]

No one tried the official site? (http://www.nanoha.com/archive3/character/yuuno.html) It explicitly states that he holds a mage rank of Composite A.

[Eva aka Pinkfox]

Thanks Ottocycle, for looking that up. I can't read Japanese, so that's why I didn't see the info.

[Konagami_03]

There this image:
http://imgur.com/cTRcUs.png (http://imgur.com/cTRcU.jpg)


I've been curious of this too, Thank you.

I'm the same height as Fate, nyahaha. a bit taller since I'm 164.27cm XD!

Hey look at that, behind Vivio, NanoFate holding hands? Nyahaha.

[Takamura Mamoru]

Somehow, I always thought Fate was quite tall.

Oh you, Japanese.

[Bananoha]

I'm the same height as Fate, nyahaha. a bit taller since I'm 164.27cm XD!Chart is sliiiiightly off.Hmm, according to Nanohawiki (the Japanese wiki, that is), during StrikerS:

Nanoha: 160cm
Yuuno: 168cm
Signum: 167cm (ara, shorter than I've expected)
Subaru: 154cm (she was 120cm when she was 11, during the airport fire)
Agito: Around 30cm (same as Rein)
Duo and Quottro: Around 160cm

(Those not found here did not have their height mentioned in the StrikerS character page.)

Also:

Ginga: 130cm when she was 13 (during the airport fire)
Auris: Around 170cm
Quint: 160cm
Megane (Lutecia's mom): 160cm
Mariel: Around 150cm
Amy: 160cm


... Hmmm.

It seems that the general height range is around 160cm, save for the very tall (like Zest) and the very short (Rein II and Agito). Together with the height chart, I believe it's possible to hazard a fairly close estimate on their actual heights. Hope this helps.So yeah, since Nanoha is 160cm (http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz248/opanpon/MGLN/SideB_053.jpg), I'm assuming Fate is 165cm. Not like we should care about height because there are three other sizes that are more important being that accurate. No one tried the official site? (http://www.nanoha.com/archive3/character/yuuno.html) It explicitly states that he holds a mage rank of Composite A.Despite seeing the StrikerS website banner on a weekly basis because of Radio StrikerS, I forget it had a site. Rofl.

While I was looking through the book thing for his page (http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz248/opanpon/MGLN/3d514a7f.jpg), I did come across something kind of interesting height wise:
Sister Schach is the same height as Hayate (http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz248/opanpon/MGLN/16eef5d3.jpg) if I'm reading this right. <_>

[Ottocycle]

While I was looking through the book thing for his page (http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz248/opanpon/MGLN/3d514a7f.jpg), I did come across something kind of interesting height wise:
Sister Schach is the same height as Hayate (http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz248/opanpon/MGLN/16eef5d3.jpg) if I'm reading this right. <_>
Yep, you are reading it right.

[isagrimorie]

Shouldn't Fate's style be considered more of a Mid-Belkan style? Especially since it appears her fighting style is similar to a Belkan Knight?

More to it, why isn't Fate considered to be a Belkan Knight? Is it because she has an Intelligent Device instead of an Armed Device? But then, what about Erio?

[Arkeus]

Shouldn't Fate's style be considered more of a Mid-Belkan style? Especially since it appears her fighting style is similar to a Belkan Knight?

More to it, why isn't Fate considered to be a Belkan Knight? Is it because she has an Intelligent Device instead of an Armed Device? But then, what about Erio?

Because she uses Mid magic.

Mid magic and Belka magic aren't only different in how they usually fight, they use completely different equations and system.

Both can do what the others does, but they do it differently, and most likely have different good points in their system.

[isagrimorie]

Because she uses Mid magic.

Mid magic and Belka magic aren't only different in how they usually fight, they use completely different equations and system.

Both can do what the others does, but they do it differently, and most likely have different good points in their system.

Ah, I see, thanks for explaining!

[WarpObscura]

I hear that the Takamachi surname is a "cover" name for safety or some other nonsense. Is this another of those Sound Stage things, or is it Word of Dante imported from Triangle Heart?

[Arkeus]

I hear that the Takamachi surname is a "cover" name for safety or some other nonsense. Is this another of those Sound Stage things, or is it Word of Dante imported from Triangle Heart?

yeah, imported from Triangle Hearts.

they were a clan of ninjas/bodyguard, and changed name because they were too well known.

[Estavali]

Actually, in Triangle Hearts, Takamachi is Momoko's surname. The children (Kyoya, Miyuki and Nanoha) gave up their father's after his death to live a peaceful life.

[WarpObscura]

Well, curse this lazy over-reliance on All There In The Manual.

[isagrimorie]

Actually, in Triangle Hearts, Takamachi is Momoko's surname. The children (Kyoya, Miyuki and Nanoha) gave up their father's after his death to live a peaceful life.

Really? Huh. I didn't know that... since that's in TH... I suppose that doesn't crossover to MSLN since Shiro is a Takamachi in MSLN-verse.

[spawnofthejudge]

Really? Huh. I didn't know that... since that's in TH... I suppose that doesn't crossover to MSLN since Shiro is a Takamachi in MSLN-verse.Maybe it still happened, but the father did it too in MSLN-verse. At least, that's what I'm gonna think until proved wrong. :p

[al103]

Maybe it still happened, but the father did it too in MSLN-verse. At least, that's what I'm gonna think until proved wrong. :p
They changed name not because of Shiro's death but because Fuwa and Mikami clans were wiped out except for 4 members (Shiro, Kyoya, Misato and Miyuki) at time IIRC. And it was clear that somebody for they heads. Which happened in Nanohaverse too - Miyuki is in Takamachi household after all.

[Dark Wing]

So let me get this straight nanoha is descendant from ninjas?

[al103]

So let me get this straight nanoha is descendant from ninjas?

Short answer - yes, she is.

[spawnofthejudge]

They changed name not because of Shiro's death but because Fuwa and Mikami clans were wiped out except for 4 members (Shiro, Kyoya, Misato and Miyuki) at time IIRC. And it was clear that somebody for they heads. Which happened in Nanohaverse too - Miyuki is in Takamachi household after all.This makes sense.So let me get this straight nanoha is descendant from ninjas?The Takamachi's aren't a badass family (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BadassFamily) for nuthin'.

[al103]

This makes sense.The Takamachi's aren't a badass family (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BadassFamily) for nuthin'.

Yeah, they are one. And this one - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQPtB0pc9HA - gives a somewhat good look at they abilities (Toraha ova spoilers).

[Mushi]

Short answer - yes, she is.
I was under the impression that Kyouya and Miyuki were crossover characters in the MSLN world, not the same ones as from Toraha.

[Keroko]

There is no official word confirming they share the TH background. But on the same hand there is nothing denying it either. It's all a matter of 'what do I think sounds cooler?'

[Mushi]

Well, looking at wiki info...

Nanoha is supposedly 12 years old in TH, which would make MSLN a prequel to TH. And Shirou, the father, is dead in TH. Momoko is his second wife and she was pregnant with Nanoha when he died, so Nanoha never even knew her father in TH.

That might all be game info. I don't remember any of those details in the anime, but it's been a while since I watched it. I should probably give TH a rewatch. I do remember thinking it was pretty good the first time I watched it.

[Keroko]

Which is why the theory goes as this: In MSLN Shirou never died. He was hospitalized by whatever killed him in TH, but he survived by the skin of his teeth in MSLN.

[JINNSK]

Well, looking at wiki info...

Nanoha is supposedly 12 years old in TH, which would make MSLN a prequel to TH. And Shirou, the father, is dead in TH. Momoko is his second wife and she was pregnant with Nanoha when he died, so Nanoha never even knew her father in TH.

That might all be game info. I don't remember any of those details in the anime, but it's been a while since I watched it. I should probably give TH a rewatch. I do remember thinking it was pretty good the first time I watched it.

In triangle heart 3,Nanoha is 8 years old.
In Lyrical toy box,Nanoha is 9 years old.
In OVA Triangle heart sweet songs forever,Nanoha is 12 years old.

[Mushi]

Which is why the theory goes as this: In MSLN Shirou never died. He was hospitalized by whatever killed him in TH, but he survived by the skin of his teeth in MSLN.
In OVA Triangle heart sweet songs forever,Nanoha is 12 years old.
Theories are fun and all, but I don't see the two as being part of the same story. MSLN is a spinoff of TH. Characters and setting borrowed for a different story. I really don't see any point in trying to make them coincide with each other when there's nothing to suggest it.

And I'm not trying to be critical of anyone who likes to theorize or speculate on the relationship between the two, I just prefer to see MSLN as a separate world, with a story of it's own.

[Arkeus]

Theories are fun and all, but I don't see the two as being part of the same story. MSLN is a spinoff of TH. Characters and setting borrowed for a different story. I really don't see any point in trying to make them coincide with each other when there's nothing to suggest it.

And I'm not trying to be critical of anyone who likes to theorize or speculate on the relationship between the two, I just prefer to see MSLN as a separate world, with a story of it's own.

... uh

Yeah, they are different worlds. That's obvious.

However, the world's are similar enough and *made to look like each other* enough that unless the differences are stated, it's better to assume it's the same.

For example, Shiro has numerous scars coming from combat, and was in hospital for a loooong time during Nanoha's youth.

This does tell us things.

[al103]

For example, Shiro has numerous scars coming from combat, and was in hospital for a loooong time during Nanoha's youth.

This does tell us things.
He even outright stated to Momoko that because Kyoya is old enough he can stop risking his life, retire and concentrate on Midori-ya. He is not simple shop-owner period.

[Mushi]

He even outright stated to Momoko that because Kyoya is old enough he can stop risking his life, retire and concentrate on Midori-ya. He is not simple shop-owner period.
Where does he say that?

[Rising Dragon]

Episode five, I believe.

[Mushi]

That's what I was thinking... the onsen episode where he and Momoko go for a walk. The Exiled-Destiny translation has him saying, "I'm sure I won't be worrying you or our kids anymore, Momoko. Right, from now on, Midoriya's owner is what I'll always be." Before that is when he mentions the kids being old enough to handle the cafe.

So, without giving any thought to TH, I was taking that to mean he was going relax and simply be the "owner" and not work there so much. But, taking TH into consideration, I can see how that can be interpreted as him giving up a former line of work.

[Arkeus]

So, without giving any thought to TH, I was taking that to mean he was going relax and simply be the "owner" and not work there so much. But, taking TH into consideration, I can see how that can be interpreted as him giving up a former line of work.

Especially if we take into accounts the SCARS!
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/6060/scars.th.jpg (http://img717.imageshack.us/i/scars.jpg/)

[WarpObscura]

What're the English names for the artbooks that form a Mirrored Confrontation Shot (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MirroredConfrontationShot) when you put the two volumes' front covers side by side?

[Mushi]

Especially if we take into accounts the SCARS!

Yeah, there is that. Not what you would expect from on the job injuries at a cafe, is it? Ok, I guess there's more to suggest the TH connection than what I had considered before. Thanks for the replies.

[Evil Rick]

Anybody has any information of the Belkan imperie origins?

[Keroko]

Its origins? Nope, canon hasn't given us much regarding that yet.

[Rising Dragon]

If they do reveal the origins, I wonder how much of it they'll draw off of Ace Combat, seeing how Belka in Nanoha is a fairly obvious reference to Ace Combat.

[Evil Rick]

Its origins? Nope, canon hasn't given us much regarding that yet.

So nothing? No fisrt king? No fundation? No independense event or anything related?

[MeisterBabylon]

All theories man. If there were some solid work I'd wouldn't be even half as proliferic as I am now. :p

[Evil Rick]

Thanks, I asked because of a running project, I guess I have some liberties in this aspect of the Nanoha universe. :heh:

[Kaijo]

So nothing? No fisrt king? No fundation? No independense event or anything related?

From what I've put together from the Nanoha wikia and various other sources, this is kinda what I'm working from:

-There was Al Hazard's advanced civilization. It collapsed long ago, for whatever reason.
-Time passed, and the planet of Belka became an empire (probably created by some of the remnants of Al Hazard civilization), and conquered numerous planets.
-Eventually, the Belkan empire began using advanced weapons like nukes, and other planets in their empire began to rebel.
-Belka home planet is destroyed, along with some others.
-Remnants of Belka settle on a new world (I think it might be Mid-Childa, but it's not said). They begin to rebuild their civilization.
-Belka used the Sankt Kaiser's Cradle, to begin the re-unification war to reclaim all the planets in their empire that they lost.
-That lasts for a time before the Sankt Kaiser, Olive, did something about the war and the Cradle. She's the person whom Vivio is cloned from. In an episode of StrikerS, they place Vivio's DNA as being from 300 years ago, which works out to year 0225 "BC", when Olive lived.
-Year 0075 "BC" Things settle down, Mid-Childa arises as the center of the galaxy now, TSAB is founded, works to root out normal weaponry and enforce magic only
-Year 0000 TSAB pretty much succeeds by this point, so I suppose this is why they decided to start the new calender (also built it's space station at this point, while being led by the 3 famous generals you see in StrikerS)

My fanfic "Recollections of a Lost Age" deals with the launch of the Cradle and the start of the Reunification War. Although it's not stated so much, I also placed the creation of the Tome of the Night Sky here, as well as the Wolkenritter becoming part of the book; this is my own fanon take, though.

[al103]

-There was Al Hazard's advanced civilization. It collapsed long ago, for whatever reason.
-Time passed, and the planet of Belka became an empire (probably created by some of the remnants of Al Hazard civilization), and conquered numerous planets.
Wrong, from one of booklets we know that there was time when they were simultaneously active and there was tech transfer from Al Hazard to Belka.


-Belka home planet is destroyed, along with some others.
-Remnants of Belka settle on a new world (I think it might be Mid-Childa, but it's not said). They begin to rebuild their civilization.
-Belka creates and launches the Cradle, and the current leader renames himself as the first Sankt Kaiser, begins the re-unification war to reclaim all the planets in their empire.
Craddle is Al Hazard relic, also was in possession of Saint line long before fall of Belka.


-That lasts for roughly 300 years, I think, before the last Sankt Kaiser, Olive, sacrificed herself to stop the Cradle.
Where did you get it - i don't remember such thing in any source. Also because Cradle activated by Saints genetic code she should have just ordered it to drop on sun and not sacrifice herself.

[Evil Rick]

Okay, thanks a lot guys, you helped me with my project.

Going out of the theme a bit, I have another question.

Is it posible for a mage to control 2 or more diferent devices at the same time?

[Arkeus]

Okay, thanks a lot guys, you helped me with my project.

Going out of the theme a bit, I have another question.

Is it posible for a mage to control 2 or more diferent devices at the same time?

Depends what you say by 2 devices.

Hayate 'control' Rein, and always has her own Storage Device.

Btw, Rein also has her own Storage Device.

However, having more than one of the same type ofdevice should be counterproductive.

[spawnofthejudge]

Is it posible for a mage to control 2 or more diferent devices at the same time?Isn't that what Subaru was doing with Revolver Knuckle (or... half of it...) and Mach Caliber?

I doubt a mage has reason to use more than one Intelligent Device, but an Intelligent and another type has precedent, at least in StrikerS.

[Keroko]

Hayate uses two as well. Three, if you count Rein.

On Belka... if I recall, the death of Olivie and the disappearance of the Cradle had a rather large timespan in between. Also, Olivie's death was to re-unite Belka and stop the war (hence the re-unification war), not to destroy the Cradle.

[Rising Dragon]

Isn't that what Subaru was doing with Revolver Knuckle (or... half of it...) and Mach Caliber?

I doubt a mage has reason to use more than one Intelligent Device, but an Intelligent and another type has precedent, at least in StrikerS.

From what I understand, Subaru has her half of the Revolver Knuckle 'synchronized' with Mach Calibur, whatever the hell that means in StrikerS. What it does happen to allow, though, is for Mach Calibur to use the Revolver Knuckle like Subaru can.

[Kaijo]

Wrong, from one of booklets we know that there was time when they were simultaneously active and there was tech transfer from Al Hazard to Belka.

Source? There is contradictary information if you look hard enough, which is why it's always risky to rely on stuff like DVD booklets. You might want to check the Nanoha wikia, along with the Japanese wiki site, to see for yourself. Belka used Al Hazard tech, but it's not real clear that both existed at the same time; the most logical explanation is that they just rediscovered it, or whoever was leftover from the collapse of Al Hazard, migrated to Belka and contributed to it's rise. The loss of the ancient civilization of alhazard meant that some of the lost technology, and perhaps even people, ultimately formed the first ancient Belkan Empire. Details are sketchy, however.

Craddle is Al Hazard relic, also was in possession of Saint line long before fall of Belka.

That much I had a bit wrong. Yeah, it is a piece of Al Hazard technology that the Belkans had in their possession. It's this clue that tells me that the two weren't around at the same time, because the two have clearly different names (Belka and Al Hazard) and if the civilization of Al Hazard was still around, they'd want their ship back. So it's more logical to assume Belka just rediscovered enough Al Hazard technology to launch and control the cradle. Tying it's genetic code to the Sankt Kaiser was a useful key that meant no one else could use it. The cradle was used as the main base for the Reunification war, though, that started after the Warring Ages and the destruction of the Belka home planet. This much is fact. The Cradle was the base of the later Belkans attempt to get all their worlds back.

Where did you get it - i don't remember such thing in any source. Also because Cradle activated by Saints genetic code she should have just ordered it to drop on sun and not sacrifice herself.

I assume we'll find out more in Vivid. We already know, from Vivid, that Olive was the last Sankt Kaiser, and that the end of the Cradle was the end of the war. It was their trump card, and without it, their Reunification war ended. Hegemon Ingvalt tried to save Olive's life to prevent her from doing it, but he failed.

On Belka... if I recall, the death of Olivie and the disappearance of the Cradle had a rather large timespan in between. Also, Olivie's death was to re-unite Belka and stop the war (hence the re-unification war), not to destroy the Cradle.

Belka was never reunited, though. The Cradle could only only be controlled by a Sankt Kaiser, and Olive knew this. Its a large part of why she was able to bring the Reunification war to an end.

Here's a link that helps explain a few things:
http://nanoha.wikia.com/wiki/Chronology

[Arkeus]

Source? There is contradictary information if you look hard enough, which is why it's always risky to rely on stuff like DVD booklets. You might want to check the Nanoha wikia, along with the Japanese wiki site, to see for yourself. Belka used Al Hazard tech, but it's not real clear that both existed at the same time;

No, Wikis are made by fan, and as such are in the low-order of truth about things.

As for the Source, it's in SSX, Ix said it- she remembers them.
The most logical explanation is that they just rediscovered it, or whoever was leftover from the collapse of Al Hazard, migrated to Belka and contributed to it's rise. The loss of the ancient civilization of alhazard meant that some of the lost technology, and perhaps even people, ultimately formed the first ancient Belkan Empire. Details are sketchy, however.

Personal theory contradicting facts.



That much I had a bit wrong. Yeah, it is a piece of Al Hazard technology that the Belkans had in their possession. It's this clue that tells me that the two weren't around at the same time, because the two have clearly different names (Belka and Al Hazard) and if the civilization of Al Hazard was still around, they'd want their ship back.
Olivie was one of the later-era Belkan Kings, not a earlier one.


So it's more logical to assume Belka just rediscovered enough Al Hazard technology to launch and control the cradle. Tying it's genetic code to the Sankt Kaiser was a useful key that meant no one else could use it. The cradle was used as the main base for the Reunification war, though, that started after the Warring Ages and the destruction of the Belka home planet. This much is fact. The Cradle was the base of the later Belkans attempt to get all their worlds back.

Not, 'fact'. Btw, the reunifications was tried many, many times. Hell, olivie had to contend against other kings who wanted the same things.


I assume we'll find out more in Vivid. We already know, from Vivid, that Olive was the last Sankt Kaiser

We do? Seh sin't the first?

, and that the end of the Cradle was the end of the war. It was their trump card, and without it, their Reunification war ended. Hegemon Ingvalt tried to save Olive's life to prevent her from doing it, but he failed.

Can't remember if it's more than implied.


Belka was never reunited, though. The Cradle could only only be controlled by a Sankt Kaiser, and Olive knew this. Its a large part of why she was able to bring the Reunification war to an end.

Fanon.


Here's a link that helps explain a few things:
http://nanoha.wikia.com/wiki/Chronology

not checked yet, but i doubt much of it is correct.

[Keroko]

Source? There is contradictary information if you look hard enough, which is why it's always risky to rely on stuff like DVD booklets. You might want to check the Nanoha wikia, along with the Japanese wiki site, to see for yourself.

Begging your pardon, but I'll take a booklet statement over a wiki page any day. Unless that wiki entry has a clear source attached.

Wiki's are edited by fans like you and me, and so can just as easily contain the same mistakes you and me make when debating this, especially when talking about grey area subjects like this. Between this and an official source, which is the more reliable one?

Not to mention wikis are build using booklets like this. If the wiki conflicts with the booklet, it's obvious which of the two needs to be edited.

I assume we'll find out more in Vivid. We already know, from Vivid, that Olive was the last Sankt Kaiser, and that the end of the Cradle was the end of the war.

The loss of the Cradle was never labeled the end of the war. It was merely noted that the Cradle disappeared during the wartime.

It was their trump card, and without it, their Reunification war ended.

Source?

Hegemon Ingvalt tried to save Olive's life to prevent her from doing it, but he failed.

Belka was never reunited, though. The Cradle could only only be controlled by a Sankt Kaiser, and Olive knew this. Its a large part of why she was able to bring the Reunification war to an end.

That's pure theorycrafting. We know Hegemon tried to prevent Olivie from sacrificing herself, and we know he mentions the Cradle, but until we have more information anything of this sort is speculation, not a clear answer.

Here's a link that helps explain a few things:
http://nanoha.wikia.com/wiki/Chronology

I don't really see how this timeline supports any of the theories you've put forth, as it's just as vague as the canon sources we have on the subject.

[Kaijo]

Had a big reply typed up, but just gonna say this much: A lot of my conclusions are drawn from the Japanese Wiki, of which the Nanoha Wikia is based. Occam's Razor fills in gaps for me, as far as the likliest suggestions and outcomes.

If you feel you have information that contradicts, feel free to contribute to the wikia; it's the only way it's going to get better. Although, it does feel better to sit back and smugly say, "Wrong, heheheh" without bothering to contribute to make better.

Someone had a question, and I answered it to the best of my ability, based on the work of others who combed through the Japanese wiki to help make the Nanoha wikia.

If you have a better idea of history, feel free to suggest it.

[Keroko]

If you have a better idea of history, feel free to suggest it.

That's the big problem: We don't. There are too many empty gaps and grey areas in the Belkan history that still need to be answered.

However, this thread is for facts, not theories. Which is why most people confronted you about your theories, because we thought they were facts and were wondering what we'd missed.

[Evil Rick]

Depends what you say by 2 devices.

Hayate 'control' Rein, and always has her own Storage Device.

Btw, Rein also has her own Storage Device.

However, having more than one of the same type ofdevice should be counterproductive.

Isn't that what Subaru was doing with Revolver Knuckle (or... half of it...) and Mach Caliber?

I doubt a mage has reason to use more than one Intelligent Device, but an Intelligent and another type has precedent, at least in StrikerS.

Hayate uses two as well. Three, if you count Rein.

On Belka... if I recall, the death of Olivie and the disappearance of the Cradle had a rather large timespan in between. Also, Olivie's death was to re-unite Belka and stop the war (hence the re-unification war), not to destroy the Cradle.

Close, my question (more exactly) is if a mage could ude 2 inteligent devices at the same time, like 1 close combat device and 1 ranged device. You know, in a fight to alternate between close attacks & ranged attacks. Is this posible in the canon of the Nanoha universe?

[Rising Dragon]

Would it even be necessary? Devices themselves can switch between such forms on their own already, as we've seen with Bardiche and Levantien and Cross Mirage.

[Arkeus]

Close, my question (more exactly) is if a mage could ude 2 inteligent devices at the same time, like 1 close combat device and 1 ranged device. You know, in a fight to alternate between close attacks & ranged attacks. Is this posible in the canon of the Nanoha universe?

Most people who wants to do that uses a device that can do both, like Fate or even in a more limited manner Nanoha and Signum.

There is no Reason one *couldn't* use two devices, except that you'd have to multi-task your "connection" with both, and that it would be simpler just to have a main device with a secondary one under control of the main one.

[Keroko]

Close, my question (more exactly) is if a mage could ude 2 inteligent devices at the same time, like 1 close combat device and 1 ranged device. You know, in a fight to alternate between close attacks & ranged attacks. Is this posible in the canon of the Nanoha universe?

It is far more likely they will go for a mode-switching Device instead, such as Teana's Cross Mirage, which is both gun and sword in one. Why carry two different devices when you can have one that can do both?

I see nothing that disproves the possibility though.

[Evil Rick]

Would it even be necessary? Devices themselves can switch between such forms on their own already, as we've seen with Bardiche and Levantien and Cross Mirage.

Most people who wants to do that uses a device that can do both, like Fate or even in a more limited manner Nanoha and Signum.

There is no Reason one *wouldn't* use two devices, except that you'd have to multi-task your "connection" with both, and that it would be simpler just to have a main device with a secondary one under control of the main one.

I know it may not be necesary (well, unless the mage is blocking and attack with the close combat devices and counter attack with the ranged device and upcoming foe from behind). I only want to know if it is possible.

EDIT

It is far more likely they will go for a mode-switching Device instead, such as Teana's Cross Mirage, which is both gun and sword in one. Why carry two different devices when you can have one that can do both?

I see nothing that disproves the possibility though.

So, it is possible. Thanks that's what I wanted to know :)

[Kaijo]

That's the big problem: We don't. There are too many empty gaps and grey areas in the Belkan history that still need to be answered.

However, this thread is for facts, not theories. Which is why most people confronted you about your theories, because we thought they were facts and were wondering what we'd missed.

Well, I once thought as you and had people tell me things worked differently than I thought they did. When pressed, they too said the facts were in different languages and to do my own research, which I did, heh.

But as I said, if you feel the wikia is just guessing, then delete things and give your reasoning. Because a lot of that information was taken from sources like Japanese magazines and such, and thus can't really be put up as a linked source. You can see with that one link, that there are Japanese words for things like the Warring Ages, because the source was in Japanese.

This is the best we've got at the moment. You're welcome to ignore it, but I feel it fills in a LOT of gaps and makes sense in the overall scheme of things. I will bet that Vivid ultimately will show that, too, because it's already showed some things that were in the wikia before Vivid confirmed it. Occam's Razor means a lot of things do make sense, too.

But you're also faced with the prospect that not everything is going to line up nicely. Case in point: Schach says Vivio's DNA comes from 300 years ago. Einhart says Olive lived 100 years ago. Figure that out, heh.

Edit: Gonna add this bit from a google translate of the Japanese wiki:

Prehistoric - during war - Invaded neighboring countries as well as using otherworldly technology, superior weapons development, expand their territory.
Its technology is the technology leakage was from Al Hazard.

Mid-war period (about 1000 years ago of this story):
Significant advances in artificial life research, a number of "king" of their own to strengthen our body, destined to map it to posterity.

The war (a few hundred years ago of this story) :
Disappear by the end of the war a substantial ancient Belka Belka, Marek Belka land Menu land and who will even after hundreds of years due to pollution. Shall be confirmed by a runaway or not the imposition of any weapons of mass.
Other countries seeking to come back and won The King Seong houses scattered around the world held by a cradle, Belka uniform measure. (Unification War King Seong)
Cradle is lost during the war, King Seong lose the house.
Country surviving occupant had ruled the world, to stop claiming to be orthodox Belka.
During this time, almost to extinction and armed ancient Belka-style magic.

Current:
King Seong and his family and faith for an end to the war, King Seong church is established.
Organization established under the slogan of peace and peace-dimensional interaction with the world of weapons of mass disconnection Middochiruda dangerous, after which time and space Administration.
King Seong church organizations lent strength to the establishment of peace is part of Middochiruda "Belka autonomous" to secure the country as a.

It's kind of hard to make things out, but one thing is clear: The reunification war was a few hundred years ago, and the cradle was lost during this time, as well as the fall of the Saint Kaisers. The TSAB was founded only 150 years ago, so the war ended long before the founding of the TSAB. This falls in line with what Shach said about Vivio's DNA being from 300 years ago.

[Arkeus]

Well, I once thought as you and had people tell me things worked differently than I thought they did. When pressed, they too said the facts were in different languages and to do my own research, which I did, heh.

But as I said, if you feel the wikia is just guessing, then delete things and give your reasoning. Because a lot of that information was taken from sources like Japanese magazines and such, and thus can't really be put up as a linked source. You can see with that one link, that there are Japanese words for things like the Warring Ages, because the source was in Japanese.

The problem is that you haven't shown the translation, and that what you are saying directly contradicts Official Sources.

This is the best we've got at the moment. You're welcome to ignore it, but I feel it fills in a LOT of gaps and makes sense in the overall scheme of things. I will bet that Vivid ultimately will show that, too, because it's already showed some things that were in the wikia before Vivid confirmed it. Occam's Razor means a lot of things do make sense, too.

Except it *doesn't* make sense, and that "making sense" isn't enough in a fact thread.


But you're also faced with the prospect that not everything is going to line up nicely. Case in point: Schach says Vivio's DNA comes from 300 years ago. Einhart says Olive lived 100 years ago. Figure that out, heh.
Heh, don't remember that.

[Kaijo]

The problem is that you haven't shown the translation, and that what you are saying directly contradicts Official Sources.

Edited my post above to show part of the sources, so you don't have to take my word for it, if you want to do your own translation. There's a lot of clues laying about that people have managed to piece things together; they aren't outright said, but it's pretty clear about a lot of things that happened, and in what order that happened in. The Nanoha wikia information shows the results.

[Arkeus]

Edited my post above to show part of the sources, so you don't have to take my word for it, if you want to do your own translation. There's a lot of clues laying about that people have managed to piece things together; they aren't outright said, but it's pretty clear about a lot of things that happened, and in what order that happened in. The Nanoha wikia information shows the results.

what you translated doesn't support at all what you said earlier though.

[Kaijo]

what you translated doesn't support at all what you said earlier though.

You'll have to be more specific. There were a few things in my initial timeline that were a bit off, because I was remembering incorrectly (such as the Cradle existing since Al Hazard, instead of being constructed later). But what I translated doesn't go against the general gist of it.

I'm just gonna point to the Nanoha wikia as the source to work off of, which you can choose to believe or not. It's the product of work from a lot of people connecting the dots on the few details we have to get a general picture of how things went. In a more simplified form, fixing some of my errors, without any of my occam's razor stuff:

Belka built an empire using Al Hazard technology.
Their world was eventually either destroyed or rendered uninhabitable, and the empire collapsed. These were known as the Warring Ages.
Belka resettled a new world, and launched the Reunifcation war(s) with the Saint Kaiser's cradle to get all their worlds back.
Ingvalt was the leader of one world that fought against Belka. Seemed he had a connection to Olive, who existed 300 years ago (what I like to call 0225 BC).
She was gonna do something with regards to the war and the cradle, which meant the end of her life.
The Belkan part of the war ended sometime after.
Time passed, and 0075 BC, the TSAB is founded, to ban bad weaponry from the wars and focus on magic.

That's it in a nutshell. If Vivid information doesn't fill out the details, then odds are we won't get much else along these lines, so we'll ultimately be left in doubt. And as I mentioned, the one glaring error at this point is the 300 years ago of Schach's DNA test, and the 100 years ago Einhart mentions. Either the writers messed up, or one of them is deliberately wrong.

And as people said in another thread, the writers may not have even really sketched this out, and are making it up on the fly, and we might even get confirmation of details. So it's up to logical deductions to flesh things out. Time will tell.

[Arkeus]

A few things:

Old Belka was at the same time as El Hazard, not after.

I am pretty Sure Ingvalt was also from Belka, just another faction of Belka.

[Keroko]

I'm porting this discussion to the Generic thread to avoid dragging the Q&A thread further off-topic, see you there.

[Aaron008R]

I tried looking at the FAQ thread, but I haven't been able to find out about these:

What was the name of the other spell Vivio copied from Nanoha aside from Sacred Cluster?

And...

Was Plasma Arm the only shown spell copied from Fate?


Thanks in advance. :heh:

[Keroko]

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/Liinna/Nanoha/th_Vivio_Skills-1.png (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/Liinna/Nanoha/Vivio_Skills-1.png)

[Aaron008R]

Yup, just what I was looking for! Thanks!:D:D:D

[MeisterBabylon]

Curses, Railgun. I see Plasma Arm and all I think of is Mugino. :eyespin:

[Nanya01]

Okay, just a question from me.

Of all the Numbers that were cloned... Nove, Sette and Cinque (since Uno, Due, Tre and Quattro were based on Jail's genetics), do we have any clue who they were cloned from?

I know Nove was based off of Quint's DNA. But what about Sette and Cinque?

[mechdra]

How many moons are there in Midchida?

[Keroko]

Depends on what screenshot you look at. Sometimes 2, sometimes 3.

Yuuno's star chart says 2 though, so it's best to go with that.

[al103]

Depends on what screenshot you look at. Sometimes 2, sometimes 3.

Yuuno's star chart says 2 though, so it's best to go with that.

Yuno star chart show ones that are relevant to situation. By picture from booklet - 4. Though as they mirror Mid, just in different color they are certainly not normal moons.

[Keroko]

Though as they mirror Mid, just in different color they are certainly not normal moons.

That's just lazy artist using a template several times.

[DezoPenguin]

That's just lazy artist using a template several times.

Then, of course, there's the booklet art for SSX. On the front cover (of the booklet, not the larger case of the CD set), there's 3 in the air behind Subaru, Caro, Erio, and Tea. Then, when you flip around to the other side where you see the same poses from behind, there's an additional 5, one of which looks more, size-wise, like Earth as seen from our moon... :eyespin:

[Arkeus]

Then, of course, there's the booklet art for SSX. On the front cover (of the booklet, not the larger case of the CD set), there's 3 in the air behind Subaru, Caro, Erio, and Tea. Then, when you flip around to the other side where you see the same poses from behind, there's an additional 5, one of which looks more, size-wise, like Earth as seen from our moon... :eyespin:

They are just trying to hide the Death Stars' Factory :D

[spawnofthejudge]

What is Shari's title? (I'm remembering "Device Meister" for some reason, but I'm unsure)

[Keroko]

Device Meister, you remember it from her card, which calls her a 'Device Meister A (master)'

[Rising Dragon]

Was it ever explained why Quint Nakajima was barren?

[Keroko]

I don't think it was ever confirmed that the problem lied with Quint in the first place.

[Nya~n]

now you make it sound like genya's sterile xD

[Keroko]

Mostly because that's exactly what I'm suggesting. :p

The problem doesn't always have to lie with the women, after all.

[Nya~n]

or maybe neither. there have been cases where a couple who have no intention of having children yet encounter orphans and decide to adopt them despite their plans.

then again, canon states nothing.

[Keroko]

Well canon was pretty clear that they couldn't have children, Genya said as much during the cyborg explanation. Who exactly was the one who couldn't was never said, much less the reason.

[Anh_Minh]

It could also be some kind of incompatibility. Neither being sterile, yet unable to have kids together.

[MeisterBabylon]

Keroko's right; studies show that 60% of the time, it's the man's fault. But canon only said that the couple "couldn't have children", so pretty much it can go either way.

[Arkeus]

Keroko's right; studies show that 60% of the time, it's the man's fault. But canon only said that the couple "couldn't have children", so pretty much it can go either way.

It's Nanoha :p

It's always the male's fault *shot*

[Rising Dragon]

Huh. I could've sworn I read that Quint was the one who couldn't produce kids. Guess I was wrong, though. Thanks for answering anyway.

[Nya~n]

It's Nanoha :p

It's always the male's fault *shot*

correction - it's nanoha - the uterus kills 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 999999% of all sperms even before they reach the fallopian tubes.

And considering that sperm count only goes so high....

[Nanya01]

correction - it's nanoha - the uterus kills 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 999999% of all sperms even before they reach the fallopian tubes.

And considering that sperm count only goes so high....

That doesn't explain how Chrono got twins or Shiro managed to have 3 children himself. (Well, 2 if you go by Triangle Hearts with Miyuki being their cousin)

[Nya~n]

the power of character armour extends to the cellular level *nods*

[Rising Dragon]

Okay, new question: who is the voice actor for the Lieze twins' male disguise forms? I can't find any information on who it is and I'm not well-versed in Japanese voice actors.

[Bananoha]

Okay, new question: who is the voice actor for the Lieze twins' male disguise forms? I can't find any information on who it is and I'm not well-versed in Japanese voice actors.Nobuyuki Hiyama as the perverted masked doods?

[Rising Dragon]

Yeah, Hiyama was the first one I though it'd be... wasn't sure, though, since he wasn't screaming.

[Nya~n]

Nobuyuki Hiyama as the perverted masked doods?

haven't we been calling that disguise Hentai Kamen for ages? xD

[Arkeus]

Any word regarding Tea's #3 device form? details, if there is some, please.

[Nya~n]

Other than the fact that it's called Blazer Form? Can't remember much. *pokes Keroko*

[Ottocycle]

It's just geared towards longer-ranged shooting without any new external aesthetic changes. Nor does it have any new abilities.

[Nya~n]

designed for bombardment-type spells and the like, i suppose?

[Bananoha]

haven't we been calling that disguise Hentai Kamen for ages? xDUgh, don't want to remember a certain guy's 4koma.... ;____;designed for bombardment-type spells and the like, i suppose?I'unno, does this look like it can do heavy bombarding spells to you? (http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/448004) Then again, this is the Nanoha-verse we're talking about. 8)!

And I am kicking myself for leaving the SS on hiatus, despite editing those 4koma. Blaze Mode's existence is first revealed in StS SS03.... -w-;

[Keroko]

Other than the fact that it's called Blazer Form? Can't remember much. *pokes Keroko*

Silver Retriever has more trouble finding things in moonrunes, which most of the information on that subject it in.

[Bananoha]

Silver Retriever has more trouble finding things in moonrunes, which most of the information on that subject it in.There's not a lot about it actually, or that one Nanoha wiki doesn't have as much info enough as it could.Blaze Mode
StirkerS SS03にて存在が明かされた。
長距離特化型で、ロングレンジ戦闘用の形態。
ガンモードで対処できない長距離戦での牽制・狙撃を行う、遠距離狙撃砲形態（StrikerS トレカ SP06）。
この形態もダガーモードと同じく、ティアナが執務官として単独行動を行う日を見越して用意されたと思われる 。
ただし、解禁されたのが地上本部襲撃戦後であり「直ぐに次の実戦に突入し、『練習不足によるミス』を誘発し かねない」というティアナ本人の希望により出力アップのみに留めた。
その為本編中ではこのモードは使用されなかった。Blaze Mode
Its existence was first revealed in StrikerS Sound Stage 03.
A model that specializes in long range combat.
Gun Mode is unable to do long distance battles, mostly used for restraint and diversions, but Blaze Mode's form was shown in StrikerS Trading Cards SP06.
Teana is preparing and looking forward to when she is able to use Blaze Mode as well as she can use Dagger Mode when she's an Enforcer/as she's training to be one.
However, the surprise attack above ground on HQ lifted the ban. Being rushed into combat, Teana was unable to use Blaze Mode because of the possibility of making a mistake due to lack of training.
Because of that, this mode was not used in the original story.I think I got the more important parts right. *scratches head*

[Doraneko]

I think I got the more important parts right. *scratches head*
Blaze Mode

StirkerS SS03にて存在が明かされた。
長距離特化型で、ロングレンジ戦闘用の形態。
ガンモードで対処できない長距離戦での牽制・狙撃を行う、遠距離狙撃砲形態（StrikerS トレカ SP06）。
この形態もダガーモードと同じく、ティアナが執務官として単独行動を行う日を見越して用意され たと思われる 。
ただし、解禁されたのが地上本部襲撃戦後であり「直ぐに次の実戦に突入し、『練習不足によるミ ス』を誘発し かねない」というティアナ本人の希望により出力アップのみに留めた。
その為本編中ではこのモードは使用されなかった。

*Nosy translator pops in* 　(￣ ￣)………(￣∇￣)ﾆﾔｯ

Blaze mode

With its existence first revealed in StrikerS SS03, this mode is specialized for long range battles. In particular, its "extended-range snipping cannon form" is utilized for containing actions and sniping operations in long range battle conditions unaddressed by the "gun form" (Source: StrikerS Trading Cards SP06). Same as the Dagger Mode, this mode has been prepared in advance for Teana's independent operations in the future as an enforcer.

This mode was, however, unlocked after the attack on the Ground Headquarters. Nonetheless, at the request of Teana, who worried that "mistakes may result from insufficient practice deal to the urgency of actual warfare," it was consequentially limited to output increase only.

As a result, this mode has not been used in the main story.

*Nosy translator got kicked away* 　(T-T*)ﾌﾌﾌ…

Translation of the relevant section from SS03 (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2581740&postcount=12) for your reference. (many thanks to Nagumo for the translation)
Teana: Mode 3, right? It won’t have a form change yet, I only focused on increasing its power output.
Subaru: Eh, Cross Mirage's Mode 3... Isn't that the one for long-range use?
Teana: Our next dispatch/deployment will likely be soon so we won't have enough time to practice with it. If so, I don't think I can use it to my full potential by then.
Subaru: Mmm...
Teana: It's dangerous to use magic and weapons you're not properly trained with, we should know this point intuitively. Cross Mirage also agreed with it.
Subaru: I see.

LOL@2ch chat on the Blaze mode. :heh:
193 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 09:04:27 ID:dZkzkQbP]
>>184
モード3が長距離用の遠距離狙撃砲形態でブレイズモードという名前というのは判明してる。
形状だけが謎。

194 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 09:13:25 ID:q97TWQ0L]
>>193
きっと２丁の銃を縦に連結して・・・

195 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 09:20:08 ID:NUYU1H5q]
フォアグリップのあるライフルってのも芸がないから・・・

インナーアームカノンだな

196 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 09:26:26 ID:uhsbykHu]
むしろバズーカで・・・

197 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 09:28:58 ID:Kdzb/YsX]
「遠距離狙撃砲」だとイメーシスカノンと被っちゃうなぁ
むしろティアナが乗り込む狙撃砲台で。ﾌﾞﾌﾞｰﾝﾄﾞｩｰ

198 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 09:50:49 ID:2KUQ1bPf]
レールガンとかがいいな
直径1.5kmくらいに展開される感じで

199 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:11:05 ID:mk09KOQ+]
>>198
魔導誘導式…って普段の発射方式となんらかわりないと思うけどｗ
あの世界は電気の代わりが魔力みたいなんで。

200 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:12:15 ID:KYYcYv2p]
>>199

直径１．５kmじゃ、ゆりかご並に巨大なんですが…

201 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:16:44 ID:scn5Suvq]
>>198
ティア 「死にたくない人はあたしの視界から去りなさい！」

202 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:29:36 ID:2G0acJr1]
口径1,500,000㍉ってｗ

203 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:35:25 ID:7p8DUyS4]
>>201
モンスターでも使うんですかw

204 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:38:13 ID:bRllJUBa]
>>113
亀だけどマーク２だよ

205 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:39:30 ID:2nRtxFKc]
ユーノ「鳴海市のお嬢さんは、嬢ちゃんやってりゃいいんだぁー！！」

206 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:50:06 ID:/72mZTpT]
まだ海鳴を鳴海とかいう謎の地名で呼ぶやつがいるのか・・・。

207 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:51:16 ID:lETroZ3K]
ユーノ「鳴海さんはだまっててください」

208 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:51:21 ID:2nRtxFKc]
細けぇな

209 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:51:27 ID:bRllJUBa]
鳴海孝之死ね　氏ねじゃなくて死ね

210 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:52:49 ID:WTQK3dez]
誠に比べれば大したことはない

211 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:55:02 ID:bRllJUBa]
>>210
でも、誠も孝之もエロゲ界三大ヘタレだったはずなのに・・・。

212 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:55:54 ID:2KUQ1bPf]
レールガンと言いつつイメージしてたのは円形粒子加速器だったけど黙っておこう

213 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:58:44 ID:q97TWQ0L]
というかモード３より移動デバイス追加してやれよと。
一人だけ走りって惨めだろ。
しかも敵は空飛んでくるのに。

214 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 11:00:42 ID:9DKGFZmz]
何だかんだでストラーダでも飛べるのにエリオはフリードに乗っていた。
後は察せ。

215 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 11:01:36 ID:dZkzkQbP]
>>213
アンカーがあるし、遠距離攻撃できるのに敵が飛んでるとか関係あるか？

216 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 11:03:03 ID:/72mZTpT]
>>214
カートリッジも魔力も無駄遣いするより普通に飛べるやつに乗ったほうが楽だろう。

217 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 11:05:00 ID:/72mZTpT]
>>213
近づいてくる敵なら撃ち落とせるし、遠くてもシューター飛ばして迎撃。
腕さえまともなら、ティアナが車椅子乗ってても簡単には勝てないぜｗ

218 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 11:05:34 ID:scn5Suvq]
>>214
λ・ヮ・Ζ)((゜ヮ゜*))(

／´(;`ー´)`＼ 「は…入りづらい」

219 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 11:10:44 ID:2nRtxFKc]
撃つべし！撃つべし！
逃げるべし！逃げるべし！

これがティアナの戦い方

220 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 11:11:33 ID:y+ptirce]
移動手段をどうにかするよりバインドの一つでも
修得したほうがよっぽど有意義だなティアナの場合

[Bananoha]

*Nosy translator got kicked away* [/I]　(T-T*)ﾌﾌﾌ…No kick, just love~

(*>∀<)ﾉ萌げー☆LOL@2ch chat on the Blaze mode. :heh:
193 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 09:04:27 ID:dZkzkQbP]
>>184
モード3が長距離用の遠距離狙撃砲形態でブレイズモードという名前というのは判明してる。
形状だけが謎。

194 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 09:13:25 ID:q97TWQ0L]
>>193
きっと２丁の銃を縦に連結して・・・

195 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 09:20:08 ID:NUYU1H5q]
フォアグリップのあるライフルってのも芸がないから・・・

インナーアームカノンだな

196 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 09:26:26 ID:uhsbykHu]
むしろバズーカで・・・

197 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 09:28:58 ID:Kdzb/YsX]
「遠距離狙撃砲」だとイメーシスカノンと被っちゃうなぁ
むしろティアナが乗り込む狙撃砲台で。ﾌﾞﾌﾞｰﾝﾄﾞｩｰ

198 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 09:50:49 ID:2KUQ1bPf]
レールガンとかがいいな
直径1.5kmくらいに展開される感じで

199 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:11:05 ID:mk09KOQ+]
>>198
魔導誘導式…って普段の発射方式となんらかわりないと思うけどｗ
あの世界は電気の代わりが魔力みたいなんで。

200 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:12:15 ID:KYYcYv2p]
>>199

直径１．５kmじゃ、ゆりかご並に巨大なんですが…

201 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:16:44 ID:scn5Suvq]
>>198
ティア 「死にたくない人はあたしの視界から去りなさい！」

202 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:29:36 ID:2G0acJr1]
口径1,500,000㍉ってｗ

203 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:35:25 ID:7p8DUyS4]
>>201
モンスターでも使うんですかw

204 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:38:13 ID:bRllJUBa]
>>113
亀だけどマーク２だよ

205 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:39:30 ID:2nRtxFKc]
ユーノ「鳴海市のお嬢さんは、嬢ちゃんやってりゃいいんだぁー！！」

206 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:50:06 ID:/72mZTpT]
まだ海鳴を鳴海とかいう謎の地名で呼ぶやつがいるのか・・・。

207 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:51:16 ID:lETroZ3K]
ユーノ「鳴海さんはだまっててください」

208 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:51:21 ID:2nRtxFKc]
細けぇな

209 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:51:27 ID:bRllJUBa]
鳴海孝之死ね　氏ねじゃなくて死ね

210 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:52:49 ID:WTQK3dez]
誠に比べれば大したことはない

211 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:55:02 ID:bRllJUBa]
>>210
でも、誠も孝之もエロゲ界三大ヘタレだったはずなのに・・・。

212 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:55:54 ID:2KUQ1bPf]
レールガンと言いつつイメージしてたのは円形粒子加速器だったけど黙っておこう

213 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 10:58:44 ID:q97TWQ0L]
というかモード３より移動デバイス追加してやれよと。
一人だけ走りって惨めだろ。
しかも敵は空飛んでくるのに。

214 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 11:00:42 ID:9DKGFZmz]
何だかんだでストラーダでも飛べるのにエリオはフリードに乗っていた。
後は察せ。

215 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 11:01:36 ID:dZkzkQbP]
>>213
アンカーがあるし、遠距離攻撃できるのに敵が飛んでるとか関係あるか？

216 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 11:03:03 ID:/72mZTpT]
>>214
カートリッジも魔力も無駄遣いするより普通に飛べるやつに乗ったほうが楽だろう。

217 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 11:05:00 ID:/72mZTpT]
>>213
近づいてくる敵なら撃ち落とせるし、遠くてもシューター飛ばして迎撃。
腕さえまともなら、ティアナが車椅子乗ってても簡単には勝てないぜｗ

218 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 11:05:34 ID:scn5Suvq]
>>214
λ・ヮ・Ζ)((゜ヮ゜*))(

／´(;`ー´)`＼ 「は…入りづらい」

219 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 11:10:44 ID:2nRtxFKc]
撃つべし！撃つべし！
逃げるべし！逃げるべし！

これがティアナの戦い方

220 名前：名無しさん＠お腹いっぱい。 mailto:sage [2008/05/25(日) 11:11:33 ID:y+ptirce]
移動手段をどうにかするよりバインドの一つでも
修得したほうがよっぽど有意義だなティアナの場合 Oh jeez, I only bothered looking at the first few. CONNECTING TWO GUNS TOGETHER? BA-BA-BAZOOOOOOOOOKAAAAAAAAAAA.

.... Actually, the two guns combining would be so looooool. Imagining Teana going all "GATTAI! BLAZE MODE!", only to be shot down by the White Devil later.

[sniperk]

I read/heard/saw somewhere that Time-Travel isn't possible in canon on the Nanohaverse, but I can't find where it's explained why.

Does anyone ever heard about this, and if you know, can you point me to it?

Thanks.

[Arkeus]

I read/heard/saw somewhere that Time-Travel isn't possible in canon on the Nanohaverse, but I can't find where it's explained why.

Does anyone ever heard about this, and if you know, can you point me to it?

Thanks.

It was chrono talking about Precia's plan at the end of MGLN. Of course, as the time they didn't believ e AL Hazerd existed.

[sniperk]

It was chrono talking about Precia's plan at the end of MGLN. Of course, as the time they didn't believ e AL Hazerd existed.

I see. But, in that case, it wasn't actually stated that time travel isn't possible, right? Since they didn't actually stated anywhere that Al Hazard never existed, it's still possible (some new lost logia maybe) that it can happen, right?

[Arkeus]

I see. But, in that case, it wasn't actually stated that time travel isn't possible, right? Since they didn't actually stated anywhere that Al Hazard never existed, it's still possible (some new lost logia maybe) that it can happen, right?

And we can learn that Precia is actually Shiro's mother.

Time-Travel is deemed impossible with current knoweldge on magic of MGLN (season 1). Precia seemed to believe it was possible (or at least resurrect Alicia), but...

[sniperk]

And we can learn that Precia is actually Shiro's mother.

Time-Travel is deemed impossible with current knoweldge on magic of MGLN (season 1). Precia seemed to believe it was possible (or at least resurrect Alicia), but...

Thanks for the point, but from what I understood, he said that it was impossible to reach Al Hazard since it was a legend, but in one StrikerS Sound Stages (X, I think) Agito says something about the time when "the way to Al Hazard was still open", so it sheds doubts on Chrono's earlier statements.

[Arkeus]

That's exactly what i am saying. Chrono stated in MGLN Time-travel and resurrection is impossible.

However, he also believed Al Hazard was a legend.

What it tells us is if time-travel is possible, it's not within the TSAB's ability to even prove it could exist.

[Rising Dragon]

Basically, there's no way to accomplish time travel, but there's nothing to say that its without a doubt impossible to achieve.

[MeisterBabylon]

Just... don't mess around with it so badly like Star Trek did as the years went by... :heh:

[WarpObscura]

I'm suffering from Archive Panic regarding the length of the Movie thread. Does anyone have a straightforward answer to this/ese question/s:

What does "the 1st" in the Movie's title mean? Is "the 2nd" going to be for A's or something else?

[Nya~n]

i'm not exactly the brightest bulb around here, but i think because it's the errr... 1st movie?

[WarpObscura]

Wait, so does it actually cover/remake the whole of the first season?

[Ottocycle]

Wait, so does it actually cover/remake the whole of the first season?
Yes it does.

[WarpObscura]

Is Movie the 2nd going to be for A's then, something else, or simply unconfirmed as of this writing?

[NorthernFallout]

It's unconfirmed. No info about a Movie 2nd.

[dacoma]

I have a question about the Nanoha DVD's - could someone please tell me if any of the DVD releases have a Dolby 5.1 surround sound track? Or are they only Dolby 2.0 stereo?

[Nanya01]

I have a question about the Nanoha DVD's - could someone please tell me if any of the DVD releases have a Dolby 5.1 surround sound track? Or are they only Dolby 2.0 stereo?

*Goes to look*

...

Dolby 2.0

[Evil Rick]

Does anyone have any source or link to the mage's power ranks and how they're classified?

You know?

B - A- S - SS - etc...?

[sniperk]

Don't know if it helps.

http://nanoha.wikia.com/wiki/Mage_rank