Clannad TV (general discussion)

[Kinny Riddle]

Let's just say... Yuuichi and Yukito can't match up to his character. Though Sunohara has a lot to do with that. :heh:

Oh and Kinny, you're still part of Baka-Tsuki right? You do know of the CLANNAD project? :o
I'm aware of the CLANNAD translation project, but I've not played the game yet, so I don't think I'm qualified to translate that, not to mention not wanting to spoil myself.

After spending months going through Kanon and AIR (reading sentence by sentence without a dictionary when being semi-fluent in the language is mentally exhausting), I needed a break, especially hearing the time it takes to finish CLANNAD is longer than Kanon and AIR combined. Thanks to you and Sushi-Y, I think I'll get the game within the next month or two. The money had better be worth it.

[velocity7]

It will be worth it. :) Though if you're buying it, I suggest getting the PS2 version. Not saying the PC version's bad, but the PS2 version on sale is the only one with voices.

[Sushi-Y]

It will be worth it. :) Though if you're buying it, I suggest getting the PS2 version. Not saying the PC version's bad, but the PS2 version on sale is the only one with voices.
Or if you're like me, who's willing to sell an arm and a leg to play the game voiced on PC, you can buy both versions and use this (http://www.geocities.com/sleephook/clannad/index.en.htm) to patch the PC version with the voice files from the PS2 version.

Of course, you can always just buy the PC version and "obtain" the PS2 files from a certain p2p software. ^^;

Then perhaps I can make you a bit happier again, my favorite scenario in the game (not counting the Afterstory) was easily Kyou's and Kotomi's. To bad that Tomoyo's scenario is the most uneventful one if you're not counting Tomoyo After.
To me, Kyou's story had a lot of potential, but it never really got a chance to realize them. I loved the twist in the end, but it still wasn't enough of a punch for me.

Kotomi's story was great, it's easily my second favorite after Fuuko. To be honest, Kotomi didn't really attract my attention much at first, but once I got into her story, I was hooked. The Noto Mamiko voice matched her perfectly too. :heh:

[houkoholic]

Then perhaps I can make you a bit happier again, my favorite scenario in the game (not counting the Afterstory) was easily Kyou's and Kotomi's. To bad that Tomoyo's scenario is the most uneventful one if you're not counting Tomoyo After.

I disagree. Save for Nagisa, Tomoyo's scenario is easily one of the deeper stories in the school arc. It's the only one which actually deals with both Tomoya and Tomoyo's dislike of their family in any detail and how that brought about their paths. It's also one of the few arcs where you can actually understand why they were so attracted to each other (unlike say why Ryou is attracted to Tomoya for example, and Kyou's attraction is run-of-the-mil). It's only "less eventful" because a lot of the things were the characters themselves talking about it as past ordeals they've dealt with and less of it being stuff happening in realtime, but in this case less is definitely more and the deeper emotions spills over from the text so well that makes it interesting.

[Orrin]

Kyou's scenario was the second one I played after Nagisa's, so it might have given it a bit of extra impact that i hadn't heard Ana before and the twist in the end was pure genius. Though I'm a bit worried how it will turn out in the anime, atleast if Kyoani is going to do it "the Kanon way" and skip any form of romantic involvement from Tomoya.

Kotomi was actually the one that I was most interested in from the start, mostly because I'm a big Mamiko Noto fan but I couldn't imagine that her story would be so touching.

To make myself a bit clearer, I liked every scenario in the game they were all great in their own way and it was really the diversity that made it so special. Tomoyo's scenario has more of a emotional dialog and monologue then actual events, which makes it special but just as with Kyou's I'm a bit worried how it will turn out in the anime.

After all this talking about how touching some scenarios are I really have to mention Kappei's, I don't belive that I have ever laughed that much before :heh:

[velocity7]

The other thing to note is that, what KyoAni does here will determine whether or not a Tomoyo After anime is possible. (?)

[Leo_Otaku]

The other thing to note is that, what KyoAni does here will determine whether or not a Tomoyo After anime is possible. (?)

They could always just do it anyway regardless of the anime outcome. Maybe as a 4 part OVA or tv series. Maybe Toei movie XD

[boggart]

They could always just do it anyway regardless of the anime outcome. Maybe as a 4 part OVA or tv series. Maybe Toei movie XD

I reckon to milk as much out of the franchise as possible, there will probably be the Tomoyo After anime regardless. But yeah... and OVA would be nice too! :D

[Ascaloth]

The other thing to note is that, what KyoAni does here will determine whether or not a Tomoyo After anime is possible. (?)

There's always the possibility that they'll scrap the original Tomoyo scenario, and instead use the Tomoyo After scenario in CLANNAD TV, instead.

[Sushi-Y]

There's always the possibility that they'll scrap the original Tomoyo scenario, and instead use the Tomoyo After scenario in CLANNAD TV, instead.
Tomoyo After is a direct continuation of Tomoyo's scenario in CLANNAD, not to mention it's kind of like Tomoyo's version of the After Story, so I don't think that'll work. And I think it might be a little too weak to stand on its own as an animation.

Of course, I would love to be proven wrong on this.

[houkoholic]

What you want to do is take Tomoyo's arc in Clannad and combine it with Tomoyo After and release the combined story as its own stand alone piece (which was how it was supposed to be read anyway), also the cast and art has to be standardise between the two works, so IMO that's probably the best way of doing a Clannad/Tomoyo After anime. You can even take out the "After" from the title and just call it "Tomoyo - It's a Wonderful Life". :)

[Kinny Riddle]

It will be worth it. :) Though if you're buying it, I suggest getting the PS2 version. Not saying the PC version's bad, but the PS2 version on sale is the only one with voices.
I'm more of a PC person, so I'll pass. I cleared both Kanon and AIR via the PC version without voices anyway (not to mention getting to see some, ahem, "extra" stuff, no matter how insignificant they are to the storyline).

I'm wondering if I should get Tomoyo After. The character design is done by someone else than (I forgot her name), is it even worth it? I noticed only the PS2 version is available on internet stores, so I'm assuming the PC version didn't sell well. I gave the guys at the store an email and they said the PC version is rare and quoted me a very obscene price just for one copy.

(Yes, I want to see what the "juicy" extras available on the PC version are like, or else the PS2 version's not worth it if the story's crap, so shoot me for being superficial. :D )

[houkoholic]

I'm wondering if I should get Tomoyo After. The character design is done by someone else than (I forgot her name), is it even worth it? I noticed only the PS2 version is available on internet stores, so I'm assuming the PC version didn't sell well. I gave the guys at the store an email and they said the PC version is rare and quoted me a very obscene price just for one copy.

(Yes, I want to see what the "juicy" extras available on the PC version are like, or else the PS2 version's not worth it if the story's crap, so shoot me for being superficial. :D )

Tomoyo After is quite worth it if you've played Clannad and enjoyed Tomoyo's character. If you can get your hands on the first press, even better since it comes with the soundtrack, and KEY music is, as always, fantastic at setting the mood.

Most of the way the story is told in Tomoyo After is pretty standard KEY stuff - sarcastic protagonist, lots of tsukkomi comedy etc at first, then dips into the heavy stuff at about half-way. The execution really hasn't deviated much from their winning formula. The opinion of the game is, however, divided, because of how the theme of the story is quite different to previous KEY works. Most KEY works has more or less happy endings and at worst bitter-sweet endings, and in the centre of these it's always the "if you tried hard enough, you can overcome any obstecles" optimistic view of life, and in a lot of ways previous KEY works even invokes miricales to assist in the story to progress in that fashion. This is where Tomoyo After is different.

Tomoyo After sort of flips that philosophy upon its head and says there are going to be times which you simply cannot get what you want no matter how hard you try, and no miricales will happen. It sounds a bit harsh for a game where people are suppose to enjoy some sort of escaptism, but the best thing about attacking a theme like this in Tomoyo After is because when this is applied to Tomoya's character it showed enourmous growth in his personality, as he had learnt to quickly pick himself up after failures instead of mopping around as he did in Clannad. And for a character like Tomoyo whom had always gotten what she wanted through hardwork because she is such a capable person but now having to face failures or matters which she cannot change, it makes a very contrasting story and adds a fair bit of chemistry and tension between this pair of lovers (Tomoya and Tomoyo are officially lovers from the beginning of the game). All these in itself is quite a valueable lesson in life too, especially for young adults, and that's what Maeda Jun wanted to write about according to several interviews he gave. The make-or-break part is whether you feel Maeda Jun had delievered or not, some people felt that he didn't and instead demoralised people (why bother if there are things you can't change?) but IMO he did it fairly successfully, even though at first I was quite shocked at the ending and it took me a bit of reflection on the whole story to understand what Maeda Jun was going for. Perhaps I'm more of a pessimistic person but I reckon Tomoyo After is a bit more mature and much "rawer" than previous KEY works (or other visual novel works for that matter) and it's definitely worth it for a bit of change IMO, especially if you've gotten sick of the too-many "protagonist wins through hardwork in the end" type of stories out there.

[velocity7]

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/1306/clannad01te6.th.jpg (http://img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clannad01te6.jpg)

[mugener]

Just to let you guys know, Clannad is delayed by kyoani until 2008 fall because Haruhi 2(which will be aired this fall).

well, no surpirse, since Clannad can't earn more money than Haruhi 2 for kyoani,
this delay is reasonable.

source: moonphase.

[velocity7]

http://d.hatena.ne.jp/moonphase/20070705

Dunno how good your Japanese is, but the Moonphase poster posts that it is "quite possible that CLANNAD will end up in Fall 2008", but does not imply that it is a confirmed written-in-stone date. Spring 2008 I can probably understand based on timing, but Fall 2008 looks quite ridiculous, especially since a previewing of CLANNAD is happening at TBS Anime Fest next month.

Another thing to note is that the Moonphase post is based off an overview in March of 2007 that was under publication ban until recently. And overviews are never 100% accurate, since times change, and people can make more money and such.

Needless to say, no confirmation on Haruhi's date either. I suggest we all wait until we get an actual confirmed date on Haruhi or CLANNAD, so we can figure out which one will air first.

Although I'd like CLANNAD to air first, I already know Haruhi has the volume 4 timing so it might get the Fall 2007 slot with CLANNAD taking Spring 2008 (which also is good timing). That's just my two cents though.

On the other hand, we haven't seen any Haruhi season 2 footage to date. Unless that's what the next Lucky Star is for?

[relentlessflame]

Spring 2008 I can probably understand based on timing, but Fall 2008 looks quite ridiculous, especially since a previewing of CLANNAD is happening at TBS Anime Fest next month.Well, yeah -- with the AnimeFesta in August, the Movie airing in September, and the Invitation DVD being shipped in September, they're not then going to wait a year to air it. I think that's just a bad guess there. Clannad should either air in the Fall or Winter at the latest, I think.

[max2k]

Just to let you guys know, Clannad is delayed by kyoani until 2008 fall because Haruhi 2(which will be aired this fall).

well, no surpirse, since Clannad can't earn more money than Haruhi 2 for kyoani,
this delay is reasonable.

source: moonphase.

In this form it sounds like a try to give "clannad" fans a bad feeling ...

Yes i like ShnY to, but should that mean i shoul disike Clannad :eyespin:?

I think i would enjoy Clannad to because is it Kyoani. Great news ShnY 2nd seems to be 100% by Kyoani, still waiting for some more FMP :upset:.

[dgreater1]

In this form it sounds like a try to give "clannad" fans a bad feeling ...


More like, giving the Kagikko's something to worry about, or they might be trying to stir some emotions between Kagikko's and Haruhist :heh:


Yes i like ShnY to, but should that mean i shoul disike Clannad :eyespin:?

I think i would enjoy Clannad to because is it Kyoani. Great news ShnY 2nd seems to be 100% by Kyoani, still waiting for some more FMP :upset:.

No! You'll enjoy CLANNAD because it's a KEY story that's been faithfully animated by KyouAni, erm... KyoAni :D

Anyways, Haruhi... CLANNAD... I don't really care which comes first... :D
(Damn you DGreater1! Don't lie! We all know you want CLANNAD first :bash:)

[FatPianoBoy]

More like, giving the Kagikko's something to worry about, or they might be trying to stir some emotions between Kagikko's and Haruhist :heh:

Unless they want to be remembered for centuries as the catalyst for World War III, I don't think they'll mess with that.

[FireChick]

Nooo! Clannad got pushed back to 2008! CURSE YOU HARUHI! (Sorry to all Haruhi fans but I want Clannad first)

[Kinny Riddle]

Nooo! Clannad got pushed back to 2008! CURSE YOU HARUHI! (Sorry to all Haruhi fans but I want Clannad first)
On the contrary, I'm mightily relieved. I just got the game through post today, I can now take this "epic long" story on my own pace rather than having to rush it before the anime starts. :heh:

BTW, seeing some of the Japanese walkthroughs, this game seems to have some sort of complicated format.

From what I can understand, I'm supposed to clear all the characters route, collect some sort of orb, and then go through an "AFTER STORY" for each character before reaching the TRUE END.

I'm still trying to understand how it works, can someone please give an explanation without spoiling anything? Cookies guaranteed.

[Sushi-Y]

I hope for an earlier release than Fall 2008 too. It doesn't make much sense for them to announce and release so many contents for the anime if it's going to be a 1+ year wait...

From what I can understand, I'm supposed to clear all the characters route, collect some sort of orb, and then go through an "AFTER STORY" for each character before reaching the TRUE END.

I'm still trying to understand how it works, can someone please give an explanation without spoiling anything? Cookies guaranteed.
Advancement in the game is dependent on the collection of "light orbs" (光の玉), which is something you obtain after completing a scenario.

The game is roughly split into two parts: the school life arc, and the After Story. The After Story (which is actually the main part of the game) will only appear as a selection in the main menu after you have obtained every light orb in the school life arc (which most people thought was the entire game at first!).

There are a total of 11 scenarios in the school life arc. A complex choice of selection branches determine which scenario you go into.

During the school life arc, you can obtain a light orb after finishing these characters' scenarios:
- Fujibayashi Kyou(she shares most of her scenario with Ryou, but you can only get an orb from Kyou)
- Ichinose Kotomi
- Sakagami Tomoyo
- Miyasawa Yukine
- Sagara Misae
- Sunohara Mei
- Hiiragi Kappei
- Koumura Toshio

For a total of 8 orbs. You do not obtain an orb for completing Nagisa or Fuuko's scenario (this will make sense later), although you will still have to complete them to advance.
Note that if you complete Fuuko's scenario before Nagisa's, you will lose one orb at a certain point during your run through Nagisa's route (but don't worry, you'll get it back later in After Story).

Once you have 8 orbs (or 7 if you lost one) and have completed all main character scenarios, After Story will become accessible.

The After Story is a straightforward single story (although it's about as long as the entire school life arc), there will still be selections here and there, but they do not affect the story too much, and there are no branches. (Oh, and for the record, there is only ONE After Story, you don't get one for every character)

At the end of your first run through the After Story (and reaching a normal(?) ending), you will have obtained orbs from the following people (if you did things right):
- Furukawa Sanae
- Yoshino Yuusuke
- Okazaki Naoyuki
- Ibuki Kouko
- Ibuki Fuuko (if you lost one orb earlier)

At this point, you have 12 orbs. Now you have to go back to a certain event in the After Story (you can use a save file) and obtain the final orb from Akio.

Once you have all 13 orbs, continue through the After Story and it will eventually lead into the true end.

I recommend this site for walkthrough:
http://yuzz21.web.fc2.com/CLANNAD.html

[Mirrinus]

We're going to get both anyway, so let's call off the do-ra-ma, shall we? It's starting to get a bit ridiculous. ^_^

(OK, so I admit, I kinda want CLANNAD first, even though I'm an avid Haruhi fan).

[Deathkillz]

I hope for an earlier release than Fall 2008 too. It doesn't make much sense for them to announce and release so many contents for the anime if it's going to be a 1+ year wait...

hype...that is where the $$$ are...now if a lot of people went out to buy the game just so they can know the story instead of waiting for a year then why not drag out the hype? :rolleyes:

[relentlessflame]

hype...that is where the $$$ are...now if a lot of people went out to buy the game just so they can know the story instead of waiting for a year then why not drag out the hype? :rolleyes:Acually, I think it's the reverse. They'll want to keep the hype going strong after the movie launch and get the series on the air ASAP so people can start buying the DVDs. They'll get some new game sales, I'm sure, but most already own the games. It's the DVD/merchandise sales they're after. So no, Moonphase is certainly wrong. I'd bet on it. Besides, he was only offering it as a guess anyway.

[Deathkillz]

Acually, I think it's the reverse. They'll want to keep the hype going strong after the movie launch and get the series on the air ASAP so people can start buying the DVDs. They'll get some new game sales, I'm sure, but most already own the games. It's the DVD/merchandise sales they're after. So no, Moonphase is certainly wrong. I'd bet on it. Besides, he was only offering it as a guess anyway.
valid point but what about all the other clannad related merchendises? the long the gap time between the movie and the TV series then the more this series can "linger" on in name which then have an affect on the sales of clannad related goods as the fans wait for the TV series with anxiety ~ more often than not once a series passes then the name of it begins to cool down drastically (which is normal cause it is just a case of out goes the old and in comes the new) >.<

[velocity7]

Just for reference, the AIR movie and TV series aired pretty closely, with the TV series starting in January and the movie in February.

[relentlessflame]

valid point but what about all the other clannad related merchendises? the long the gap time between the movie and the TV series then the more this series can "linger" on in name which then have an affect on the sales of clannad related goods as the fans wait for the TV series with anxiety ~ more often than not once a series passes then the name of it begins to cool down drastically (which is normal cause it is just a case of out goes the old and in comes the new) >.<Well... I think you answered your own question, sort of. They've been promoing it pretty heavily over the last few months, so they wouldn't want the hype to cool down by letting it "linger" for too long. The TV series is being previewed at the AnimeFesta in August, and the Clannad Invitation (preview) DVD is shipping in September/October. The website is already up, and it was originally announced, with preview footage, over 3 months ago now. There's preview imagery in Megami Magazine every month. They can't keep that sort of promo work up for another 15 months; people will get sick of it, and by the time it comes out, it'll be underwhelming no matter how good it is. So, all in all, I don't see that there's any marketing benefit in delaying the show, and the amount of promo thus far makes it much more likely to be the thing that'll air first.

All that's in my opinion, of course. Time will tell...

[Leo_Otaku]

I highly doubt that Clannad will be pushed back since we have not seen any haruhi second season promo art or animation clips. It has only been mentioned now. It would not be fall 2008 it would not make sense to advertise it in newtype, animage and so forth if it would not be released soon >.>

[boggart]

I'm a fan of both Key and Haruhi... so either first doesn't concern me... I'll just know that KyoAni will not be slack and that they'll do a magnificent job on both projects.

Now we wait for a FMP announcement too... LOL

[sakuravs]

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/1306/clannad01te6.th.jpg (http://img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clannad01te6.jpg)

How about a high-res version of that "oh-so-cute" scan?

[velocity7]

Note that if you complete Fuuko's scenario before Nagisa's, you will lose one orb at a certain point during your run through Nagisa's route (but don't worry, you'll get it back later in After Story).

I actually checked on this one, via variables, and it's more specifically like this:

If you don't play Fuuko's scenario first, say you play like Kyou's then Kappei's and then finally Nagisa's, you will lose an orb during Nagisa's route.

However, if you had no orbs to begin with, you won't lose any during Nagisa's route.

Much tracing of the variables in RealLive came to this conclusion. :S

[Sushi-Y]

I actually checked on this one, via variables, and it's more specifically like this:

If you don't play Fuuko's scenario first, say you play like Kyou's then Kappei's and then finally Nagisa's, you will lose an orb during Nagisa's route.

However, if you had no orbs to begin with, you won't lose any during Nagisa's route.

Much tracing of the variables in RealLive came to this conclusion. :S
Thanks for the correction ^^;

Either way, it doesn't really matter whether you lose an orb or not. But it's probably a good idea to save Nagisa's route for last (and Fuuko's as second last, because her scenario is closely tied to Nagisa's), since the After Story is a direct continuation of Nagisa's route.

[Skyfall]

I finally gave in to the temptation and took a look at Clannad summary :) Plot related things aside ... the thing seems HUGE 0_o. Obviously i can't get a very good grasp at the overall story size from a summary, but it really seemed rarely big. A question to the people who have played the game - is it even reasonably fit-able in to 24-26 episodes? Because i think it is not from reading the summary alone. Is there a chance we might get ~37 or even ~50 episodes of this ? :)

[nani]

is it even reasonably fit-able in to 24-26 episodes?

Yes..... but that will be very rushed and a lot of characters will get shafted.

IMO, Nagisa + Fuuko's arc (yes, I am a Fuuko Master wannabe.....:heh:) will require at least 8 episodes, the AS arc will require another 8 episodes, leaving only 8 episodes to cover the remaining characters. The result will be very similar to what happened to Minagi and Kano in AIR TV.


Is there a chance we might get ~37 or even ~50 episodes of this ? :)

Although there are certainly enough materials to make 50 episodes, a single 50 episodes series will be too much a financial risk and too long a commitment for Key & KyoAni. My guess will be either:

one 26 episodes series which will mainly focus on Nagisa;
or
two 26 episodes series to cover everything (please include 光見守る坂道で (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1033043&postcount=107) as well......)



On a side note, the CD Drama adaptation of the final chapters of the Planetarian novel (星の人 and チルシスとアミント which covers events after the game) will also be released on 27 Jul http://key.soundslabel.com/discography.htm. Can we expect a Planetarian animation/OVA next year?

[Skyfall]

Thanks for the answer.

Yes..... but that will be very rushed and a lot of characters will get shafted.

IMO, Nagisa + Fuuko's arc (yes, I am a Fuuko Master wannabe.....:heh:) will require at least 8 episodes, the AS arc will require another 8 episodes, leaving only 8 episodes to cover the remaining characters. The result will be very similar to what happened to Minagi and Kano in AIR TV.


Thats what i thought ... and despite being optimistic i also don't think we are going to get more than 26 episodes. And seeing how less-important characters were handled in Air, i dread for Clannad.


On a side note, the CD Drama adaptation of the final chapters of the Planetarian novel (星の人 and チルシスとアミント which covers events after the game) will also be released on 27 Jul http://key.soundslabel.com/discography.htm. Can we expect a Planetarian animation/OVA next year?

I would kill to see that animated :) Although i don't think there is enough material for a full season ... a movie or a 6 ep OVA is the most the story can reasonably support without feeling draggy imo. Unless they spend loooots of time on flashbacks ... i bet they could come up with more flashbacks/detailed background of the planet than presented in the game, but i am having my doubts.

[Skane]

Well... KyoAni might buck the trend and attempt either a 3-cour series or a 4-cour series for CLANNAD(TV). They did surprise us with Kanon(2006)'s 2-cour. Maybe that is why they delayed CLANNAD(TV) in favour of SHnY 2. They needed more time to animate the series. :heh:

After all... they have not yet announced how long CLANNAD(TV) will be. ;)

Considering how some of the heroines STILL got shafted in terms of screentime, presence, and plot content in Kanon(2006), a 2-cour length for CLANNAD(TV) seems detrimental.

Financial risk? Maybe, but considering that their Kanon(2006) DVDs and Lucky Star DVDs have been hitting solid Number-1 each time they début onto the market (not to mention the prior sales of their SHnY and FMP! DVDs :heh:), I think KyoAni is well-funded at this point to undertake something that no other company has really done before. Adapt a Renai-Game into a series that is longer than 2-cour... uninterrupted.

Cheers.

[velocity7]

If it means it being uninterrupted, then I don't really mind it being pushed. :)

[rg4619]

How long in advance are episodes normally completed? If I'm not mistaken, studios receive funding as they go, so it isn't like they can animate a full series before initial airing (maybe just the first few episodes). In that case, would overall length even make much of a difference?

[blitz1/2]

Maybe that is why we have a Clannad movie + TV. Maybe they'll cover the different angles of the story.

[Sorrow-K]

Well... KyoAni might buck the trend and attempt either a 3-cour series or a 4-cour series for CLANNAD(TV). They did surprise us with Kanon(2006)'s 2-cour. Maybe that is why they delayed CLANNAD(TV) in favour of SHnY 2. They needed more time to animate the series. :heh:

After all... they have not yet announced how long CLANNAD(TV) will be. ;)

Considering how some of the heroines STILL got shafted in terms of screentime, presence, and plot content in Kanon(2006), a 2-cour length for CLANNAD(TV) seems detrimental.

Financial risk? Maybe, but considering that their Kanon(2006) DVDs and Lucky Star DVDs have been hitting solid Number-1 each time they début onto the market (not to mention the prior sales of their SHnY and FMP! DVDs :heh:), I think KyoAni is well-funded at this point to undertake something that no other company has really done before. Adapt a Renai-Game into a series that is longer than 2-cour... uninterrupted.

Cheers.Momentarily forgetting for a moment that anime (like all things) is bound by money, I'd seriously hope that they'd take as much time as they need to tell the story properly, whether that is 3-cour or 4-cour. As big a fan as I am of Air, I admit that it was flawed in the respect that it needed more episodes than it ended up getting in order to tell its story properly. 2-cour is the timespan for Kanon (as we saw), but I'd hate if Clannad was poorly paced because it wasn't given as many episodes as it needed.

Which is why, maybe it isn't a totally bad thing for them to hold it back until next year. Make some money with SHnY II (and the possible new FMP series), clear up plenty of time on their calender, and do it right.

[Mirrinus]

Well put, Sorrow-K. That's one of the main reasons why I don't really care too much which show Kyoto Animation decides to do first. I'm willing to be patient if it means recieving something of such high quality. And like many of you, I'm hoping CLANNAD will be at least 3 cours, even though such a feat has yet to be done by KyoAni. If they can maintain their quality through such a run, I will be extraordinarily impressed. I don't expect a perfect adaptation (is there such a thing?), but I want to see them go as close as they can, and hopefully come up with a clever way of intertwining the stories. I'm still not sure how they're going to pull off the ending, really, but I think either way can still work.

On another note, I'm still hoping for a CLANNAD addition to Eternal Fighter Zero.

[boggart]

The thing with a 3-cour or longer series would be to keep the audience entranced for that extended period. Will they be able to keep true to the story if given this much leeway. Would they struggle to find enough material to cover the entire length of a 3-cour run? Finance shouldn't be a problem. But would the high quality continue for the whole run? Knowing KyoAni from their past ventures, I'm willing to bet that they would definitely consider giving it a go to lengthen a series, but I see no reason why a 2-cour wouldn't be sufficient enough to tell as story. Kanon was done well at that length (in my opinion anyway). My 2 cents worth... :P

EDIT: BTW... what's a cour? LOL... I know it's supposed to be the average length of a season (i.e. 12-13 episodes), but where did this term originate? LMAO

[Skyfall]

Knowing KyoAni from their past ventures, I'm willing to bet that they would definitely consider giving it a go to lengthen a series, but I see no reason why a 2-cour wouldn't be sufficient enough to tell as story. Kanon was done well at that length (in my opinion anyway). My 2 cents worth... :P


Actually, Kanon was their first attempt at a 24-26 episode anime. It was nicely done, but could have used a wee bit more time as well. As far as i know, the story of Clannad has much more material than Kanon, so finding the content for more episodes wouldn't be the challenge here :)

[boggart]

Ah ok... I haven't played the game so I'm not quite sure how much they could have to work with here, but good to know there's plenty to go around then.

I still think a 36-39 ep series might be pushing it a little... But I'll be overly happy if they decide to go with it AND do a damn good job at it. All speculation here, but it should give the fanboys more to mull over.

[nani]

but I see no reason why a 2-cour wouldn't be sufficient enough to tell as story. Kanon was done well at that length (in my opinion anyway).


IIRC, the script file for Kanon is around 2M (containing the stories of the 5 main characters) while the script file for Clannad is around 5M (containing the stories of the 10 main characters in the school arc as well as the AS arc). Clannad simply contains twice the game materials as compared to Kanon.



EDIT: BTW... what's a cour? LOL... I know it's supposed to be the average length of a season (i.e. 12-13 episodes), but where did this term originate? LMAO

クール (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%AF%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB_%28%E3%83%86%E3%83%AC% E3%83%93%29)

[velocity7]

IIRC, the script file for Kanon is around 2M (containing the stories of the 5 main characters) while the script file for Clannad is around 5M (containing the stories of the 10 main characters in the school arc as well as the AS arc). Clannad simply contains twice the game materials as compared to Kanon.

Actually, CLANNAD has a lot more.

Kanon's count is about 30k lines worth.
AIR has about 50k lines.
CLANNAD is about 103k lines.

Of course, this is not counting the amount of playthroughs you can go through simply to get different variations of Yukine's spells and the like.

If Kanon is a 2-cour, and we were to proportionally base ourselves off that, then AIR should have been a 3~4-cour. And CLANNAD would be a 6~7-cour. ;)

[rg4619]

I thought Kanon was haphazardly assembled with some parts of the story being too rushed and some parts featuring too much filler (okay in a novel or game, but unnecessary in a TV series). It's what you do with limited time that's most important.

With AIR, the best choice would've been to delete the Kano and Minagi scenarios, but I guess Ishihara aimed to please all game fans.

[Deathkillz]

i guess if 26 isnt enough they could do a death note thing and opt for 37 ~ even though if there is a lot of materials to work with for a genre like this it is risked being too draggy if not done properly :X

[boggart]

even though if there is a lot of materials to work with for a genre like this it is risked being too draggy if not done properly :X

Well put. This is what I would be worried about as well.

[Kinny Riddle]

The main reason Kyo-Ani was able to fit AIR into 13 episodes and still felt better than Kanon in 24 episodes was due to the structure of the story. In Kanon, even though Ayu is designated as the "main girl", each of the other girls' story was pretty much independent of each other and carried equal weighting, which was why 24 episodes didn't feel like enough.

On the other hand, the backbone of the story of AIR has always been on Misuzu, Minagi and Kano's story were simply used to complement the "girl in the sky" mythos. So even though AIR had more words than Kanon, it is easier to adapt this story by concentrating more on Misuzu. This is not to say the 13 (+ 2 extra) episodes Kyo-Ani made was totally perfect, but they were spot on in most of the important plot points.

I've only started playing CLANNAD, so I'm not in a position to comment on how the story can be adapted. Hopefully Kyo-Ani has learned some lessons from their previous Key adaptations.

[Skyfall]

The main reason Kyo-Ani was able to fit AIR into 13 episodes and still felt better than Kanon in 24 episodes was due to the structure of the story. In Kanon, even though Ayu is designated as the "main girl", each of the other girls' story was pretty much independent of each other and carried equal weighting, which was why 24 episodes didn't feel like enough.


(Going off topic) I can not agree to this. Air certainly didn't "feel" better than Kanon. (Although the title has a special spot in my heart). Air is structured rather poorly, to the point i think it would have done better with omitting the "side characters" altogether. If you can't do justice to them it is better to leave them out imo - this is why i feel the movie was superior to the series.

Which is something i hope not to see in Clannad - all of the stories you include need to be fulfilling and have an importance in the story, not feel like semi-forgettable fillers than even the title itself choses to pretend never existed after it has moved past them.

[Kinny Riddle]

(Going off topic) I can not agree to this. Air certainly didn't "feel" better than Kanon. (Although the title has a special spot in my heart). Air is structured rather poorly, to the point i think it would have done better with omitting the "side characters" altogether. If you can't do justice to them it is better to leave them out imo - this is why i feel the movie was superior to the series.

Which is something i hope not to see in Clannad - all of the stories you include need to be fulfilling and have an importance in the story, not feel like semi-forgettable fillers than even the title itself choses to pretend never existed after it has moved past them.


I cannot believe you actually find the movie better than the series. Please bear in mind that when Kyo-Ani first adapted AIR, they were still an upcoming studio and were not given more episodes to work on as they're still "testing the waters" before doing two cours for the first time with Kanon.

Of course AIR could've been much better if they had more than 13 episodes, but given the limited resources that they have back then, I thought they managed rather brilliantly. The trimming of Kano and Minagi's story was inevitable if the "girl in the sky" mythos was to be conveyed to the uninitiated within 13 episodes.

And pray ask what exactly do you mean by "Air certainly didn't "feel" better than Kanon"? Do you mean the games or the animes? If the former, than I have to disagree with you vigorously. While the "true ending" is with Ayu, Kanon had the standard bishoujo game formula of "every girl has their own stand-alone story", the girls' situation are totally unaffected by Ayu's.

AIR's emphasis has always been the "girl in the sky". Kano and Minagi's situations both hint strongly in their connection to that girl. Then the SUMMER and AIR arcs complete the circle and wrap things up nicely.

If it's the latter, then it's certainly debatable and I won't argue with you on that.

[Skyfall]

I cannot believe you actually find the movie better than the series. Please bear in mind that when Kyo-Ani first adapted AIR, they were still an upcoming studio and were not given more episodes to work on as they're still "testing the waters" before doing two cours for the first time with Kanon.

Of course AIR could've been much better if they had more than 13 episodes, but given the limited resources that they have back then, I thought they managed rather brilliantly. The trimming of Kano and Minagi's story was inevitable if the "girl in the sky" mythos was to be conveyed to the uninitiated within 13 episodes.

And pray ask what exactly do you mean by "Air certainly didn't "feel" better than Kanon"? Do you mean the games or the animes? If the former, than I have to disagree with you vigorously. While the "true ending" is with Ayu, Kanon had the standard bishoujo game formula of "every girl has their own stand-alone story", the girls' situation are totally unaffected by Ayu's.

AIR's emphasis has always been the "girl in the sky". Kano and Minagi's situations both hint strongly in their connection to that girl. Then the SUMMER and AIR arcs complete the circle and wrap things up nicely.

If it's the latter, then it's certainly debatable and I won't argue with you on that.


Yes, KyoAni might have been a "new studio" (Actually, they have produced "Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu" (of notable titles) before Air ), but that does not fit in the discussion of "Whether Air Movie was better than Air Tv or not". It does provide for excuse (and bear in mind i am not saying i found Air TV bad per se or anything), but ultimately doesn't matter when comparing the movie against the series.

It is not so much about the fact that some arcs had to be cut down in order to fit the main story (Though they did find the time for a recap episode :eyebrow:), but the fact that these stories have no bearing on the story/characters. The arc is over -> it gets forgotten and you would have never been the wiser if you hadn't known they existed. (Though Kanon has this problem as well to a degree, but it isn't so jarringly obvious as in Air). Bear in mind that i don't care much about things like faithfulness to the original material, so as long as the parts they decide to handle are well handled and properly integrated in to the story i am a happy bunny.

And that is exactly what i mean by "Kanon felt better than Air"(I am talking the animes, not the games here :)) - the overall structure of the story was superior to that of Air and the stories were tied together in a more solid way - the way the story was planned and handled felt better, and the pacing was nice as well (minus the transition of Shiori-Ayu arc). Of course there is the excuse of Kanon being the later work and the staff had more polished skillzz by that time, but it doesn't change the fact.

Yes, i do find Air a good anime without a doubt, but i deem the movie as superior for all intents and purposes - it focused on the important things and chose to omit the side characters, which worked out as very enjoyable piece of work in the end. Quality over quantity. (The upped romance aspect is a plus as well :p)

Cheers!

[Mirrinus]

I think what Kinny Riddle is getting at with AIR (tv) is that both Kano's and Minagi's arcs were used as a supplement to the main story of Misuzu, and not as their own disconnected arcs like what Kanon did. Both their stories were used to highlight the truth behind the story of the girl in the sky, and while the characters themselves dropped out by the time Misuzu's arc rolled around, the lessons that Yukito took from their arcs were carried on.

At any rate, I prefer the TV series simply because the mother-child theme was so much stronger and memorably portrayed (I don't care too much for any romance between Yukito and Misuzu). The movie also took out Sora. And Potato (as a real character). Piko piko?

On topic: assuming Kyoto Animation is doing at least all the main story arcs, like what they did with Kanon and AIR, what plausible order of the stories should we expect? (I'm assuming we're at least going to end with Nagisa.)

[Sushi-Y]

On topic: assuming Kyoto Animation is doing at least all the main story arcs, like what they did with Kanon and AIR, what plausible order of the stories should we expect? (I'm assuming we're at least going to end with Nagisa.)
They'll have to do every scenario if they want to remain faithful to the true ending. The ordering of the scenarios, however, is pretty arbitrary...

My order would be:

Kyou/Ryou
↓
Kappei (ties in with Ryou)
↓
Yukine
↓
Kotomi
↓
Misae
↓
Tomoyo (ties in with Misae)
↓
Mei
↓
Fuuko
↓
Nagisa (with Koumura-sensei's scenario tied in)
↓
After Story
↓
Ushio
↓
After Story (true end)

[Vexx]

Looking at the distance Nana traversed in numbers of episodes and looking at the story content in Clannad ... I'd say.. no sweat on 3 or 4 cour.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Put this in a format they will see this, say on 2ch, make your desires known. Anything the fans desire will come true with Clannad. 50 Episodes isn't exactly an unheard of number. Well, it used to be a lot more common. Gundam 00 is going to be a 50 episode series, so why not Clannad. In fact now that people have said they desire 50 episodes, it's probably going to happen.

[Kinny Riddle]

[QUOTE=Mirrinus;1037621]I think what Kinny Riddle is getting at with AIR (tv) is that both Kano's and Minagi's arcs were used as a supplement to the main story of Misuzu, and not as their own disconnected arcs like what Kanon did. Both their stories were used to highlight the truth behind the story of the girl in the sky, and while the characters themselves dropped out by the time Misuzu's arc rolled around, the lessons that Yukito took from their arcs were carried on.

At any rate, I prefer the TV series simply because the mother-child theme was so much stronger and memorably portrayed (I don't care too much for any romance between Yukito and Misuzu). The movie also took out Sora. And Potato (as a real character). Piko piko?

Thank you for elaborating further, that was exactly what I wanted to convey. The story was never really about romance in the first place, it's just that it was packaged like any other visual novels out there. Sure Yukito loved Misuzu, but the movie added too much romance that was unnecessary, IMHO. The true emotional impact was actually between Haruko and Misuzu.

[velocity7]

They'll have to do every scenario if they want to remain faithful to the true ending. The ordering of the scenarios, however, is pretty arbitrary...

My order would be:

Kyou/Ryou
↓
Kappei (ties in with Ryou)
↓
Yukine
↓
Kotomi
↓
Misae
↓
Tomoyo (ties in with Misae)
↓
Mei
↓
Fuuko
↓
Nagisa (with Koumura-sensei's scenario tied in)
↓
After Story
↓
Ushio
↓
After Story (true end)


My only concern with that ordering is how early Founder's Day is supposed to happen...

[mugener]

Just to let you guys know.

One of the reasons that KyoAni push clannad back may be that kanon dvd does not sell really well in Japan.

Compare with other normal animes, kanon dvd sales may look good, but it's not enough for KyoAni's budget put on this anime.

If KyoAni anime can't enter Oriocon's dvd(all kinds of dvd, not just anime) weekly rank top 5, then they are losing money.

This also means that KyoAni will make clannad more than 24 eps under only one condition:

If only they can earn more by making more eps, not losing more.

And judged by kanon's dvd sales, this doesn't look good.

They may be willing to make another 50eps Haruhi though.

[FatPianoBoy]

Just to let you guys know.

One of the reasons that KyoAni push clannad back may be that kanon dvd does not sell really well in Japan.

Compare with other normal animes, kanon dvd sales may look good, but it's not enough for KyoAni's budget put on this anime.

If KyoAni anime can't enter Oriocon's dvd(all kinds of dvd, not just anime) weekly rank top 5, then they are losing money.

You have numbers to back this up, I presume?


This also means that KyoAni will make clannad more than 24 eps under only one condition:

If only they can earn more by making more eps, not losing more.

Obviously. It may just be my delusional imagination, but KyoAni seems to take pride in what they do - they care as much about their reputation as the almighty yen.


They may be willing to make another 50eps Haruhi though.

Even if they animate everything remaining in all of the novels, I don't think they could stretch it to 50-ish episodes.

[mugener]

You have numbers to back this up, I presume?

yeah, in my mind.

well, at least I can let you check this week's rank:
http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/dg/w/

It seems that kanon just couldn't enter top5 since dvd 1.

[Leo_Otaku]

yeah, in my mind.

well, at least I can let you check this week's rank:
http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/dg/w/

It seems that kanon just couldn't enter top5 since dvd 1.

actually a few volumes 5 and 6 have made it to # 1

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-05-11/japanese-anime-dvd-ranking-may-2-8
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-04-17/japanese-anime-dvd-ranking-april-4-10

[Mirrinus]

Wow. 6th place. Yeah, I know, too bad. Ranking 1 place higher would have meant the difference between prosperity and bankrupcy, right?

Actually, I think the question is, why do you think Kyoto Animation is losing money on such productions just because the DVD sales aren't in the top 5 of Oricon? If that were the case, I think a lot more animation studios should be worrying about their financial state...

Or is it because you think Kyoto Animation spent a disproportionate amount of money on the show, and somehow isn't making it back with the sales? I'm curious to know how you calculated such a thing.

At any rate, I agree with FatPianoBoy that Kyoto Animation seems to make stuff that they themselves are fans of, and they probably enjoy making what they do. I mean, why else did they animate Skane's favorite uber-tastic CGI marble?

And there definitely isn't enough material for Haruhi so far to make 50 episodes. Maybe 3 cours at the most. And until we get an actual confirmation date from Kyoto Animation themselves, please don't go around proclaiming which show will come first without hard evidence backing it up.

[boggart]

Has anyone had a look at the AnimeFesta website (http://www.tbs.co.jp/anime/festa/)? I can't read Japanese very well, but is Clannad scheduled to be the featured or something there?

EDIT: That pic of Nagisa they have up sure looks hot... *ahem*... I mean, nostalgic... :p

[dgreater1]

Has anyone had a look at the AnimeFesta website (http://www.tbs.co.jp/anime/festa/)? I can't read Japanese very well, but is Clannad scheduled to be the featured or something there?

EDIT: That pic of Nagisa they have up sure looks hot... *ahem*... I mean, nostalgic... :p

Seems like there's an exhibition on August 11-12 and the tickets are all sold out...

[Kinny Riddle]

yeah, in my mind.

well, at least I can let you check this week's rank:
http://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/dg/w/

It seems that kanon just couldn't enter top5 since dvd 1.

I'm not trying to defend Kyo-Ani or anything, but may I ask how did you deduce that Kyo-Ani is losing money just because they didn't make it to the top five of Oricon?

After all, it takes an insane amount of popularity for an anime OP or ED (like Hare Hare Yukai) to even break into the top five of the Oricon singles chart. So besides the "mainstream" titles like Naruto, Bleach and Death Note with their insane popularity, I don't find it odd that other decently popular anime titles couldn't reach the top 5 of the Oricon DVD charts. Based on your deductions, most of the anime studios would have gone bust by now, and yet they still churn out more titles.

My point is: So what? The primary target audience for Kanon has always been the Akiba otaku male, it's a plus for Kyo-Ani if it can attract other type of audiences as well, as the original game has proven.

And why are we talking about sales of Kanon DVDs here? Please get back on topic, folks.

[Nightengale]

Even mainstream titles do not necessarily get chart-toppers. Detective Conan, One Piece, etc as far as I know it are popular, and also rakes in viewers, but as far as sales go...well, their sales-per-DVD output does not remotely come close to Gundam SEED/GSD/Haruhi/Code Geass.

It was never about the issue of reaching the Oricon, it's matter of how much DVDs they sell. And that on its own, be it Kanon, or AIR is not the primary indication of what'll happen to Clannad.

As far as I know it, while Kanon isn't the blockbuster the size of Haruhi/CE, if I recall, the sales were strong. Unless Kyoto Animation secretly churns out gold for each episode, they're not losing money.

If I recall it properly, a regular 2-cour show reaching 5000 DVD sales is considered already a good thing. 10000, and it's good enough to warrant a sequel in the making.

[nani]

And why are we talking about sales of Kanon DVDs here? Please get back on topic, folks.

Allow me to continue this off-topic discussion for a little bit longer. :heh:

It seems that the average sales figure of the Kanon DVDs is around 16,000. Obviously not as high as Code Geass nor SHnY, but still very profitable according to the "5,000 copies=break even" guideline.

http://d.hatena.ne.jp (http://d.hatena.ne.jp/n_euler666/20070513/1179062778)
http://www.syu-ta.com/blog (http://www.syu-ta.com/blog/2007/04/30/152152.shtml)

[Kinny Riddle]

Must've been all the off-topicness that's causing the topic to slightly lose steam huh? :D

I wonder if Kyo-Ani would follow in AIR and Kanon's footsteps and cast someone else different from the game and drama CD for the protagonist Tomoya's role?

I've seen Itou Kentarou do bishoujo game protagonists before (Soul Link), but I just can't imagine him doing Tomoya, for some reason (I play the PC without any voice patch). Though Tomoya is designed as a delinquent, Itou sounds too "gruffy" for my taste. I must've been influenced by watching him performing Renji from Bleach for too long, since Renji is the sort of "wreak-havoc" delinquent-type character. :D

For me, Tomoya is on the "refined" scale for delinquents, a bit of Kyon-like sarcasm, but overall a nice guy. OTOH, despite his record of witty sarcastic characters, I also don't see Sugita Tomokazu do Tomoya, because Sugita's characters are mostly polite rule-abiding fellas, which Tomoya isn't.

I'm not familiar with Nojima Kenji's previous roles, besides, the Toei movie's not out yet, so the jury's still undecided on his performance. Though the seiyuus for the AIR movie and anime are different as well, it's unlikely he'll be cast for the anime.

Let's assume Kyo-Ani does pick someone else, who wants to speculate who it'll be? An established character or a relative unknown?

Useless afterthought: Starting off with the Fujibayashi twins makes me wonder: Does Lucky Star's Yoshimizu Kagami base his Hiiragi sisters' character design on the Fujibayashis? I'm not talking about the minute details, which are distinctly different, but the basic design: Kyou and Kagami - tsundere elder sister with long hair and twin tails, Ryou and Tsukasa - timid younger sister with short hair. Both siblings have purplish hair as well.

[velocity7]

You could have a listen to the drama CDs he's been in for CLANNAD thus far (and still going). He's pretty good.

[Ascaloth]

Must've been all the off-topicness that's causing the topic to slightly lose steam huh? :D

I wonder if Kyo-Ani would follow in AIR and Kanon's footsteps and cast someone else different from the game and drama CD for the protagonist Tomoya's role?

I've seen Itou Kentarou do bishoujo game protagonists before (Soul Link), but I just can't imagine him doing Tomoya, for some reason (I play the PC without any voice patch). Though Tomoya is designed as a delinquent, Itou sounds too "gruffy" for my taste. I must've been influenced by watching him performing Renji from Bleach for too long, since Renji is the sort of "wreak-havoc" delinquent-type character. :D

For me, Tomoya is on the "refined" scale for delinquents, a bit of Kyon-like sarcasm, but overall a nice guy. OTOH, despite his record of witty sarcastic characters, I also don't see Sugita Tomokazu do Tomoya, because Sugita's characters are mostly polite rule-abiding fellas, which Tomoya isn't.

I'm not familiar with Nojima Kenji's previous roles, besides, the Toei movie's not out yet, so the jury's still undecided on his performance. Though the seiyuus for the AIR movie and anime are different as well, it's unlikely he'll be cast for the anime.

Let's assume Kyo-Ani does pick someone else, who wants to speculate who it'll be? An established character or a relative unknown?

Useless afterthought: Starting off with the Fujibayashi twins makes me wonder: Does Lucky Star's Yoshimizu Kagami base his Hiiragi sisters' character design on the Fujibayashis? I'm not talking about the minute details, which are distinctly different, but the basic design: Kyou and Kagami - tsundere elder sister with long hair and twin tails, Ryou and Tsukasa - timid younger sister with short hair. Both siblings have purplish hair as well.

Personally, I've always had Tomokazu Seki in my mind as Tomoya's voice. Now why Seki, you may ask? Especially considering he sounds nothing like that role when he's playing Sousuke of FMP!.......

...aaaaaahhhh, but listen to him as Takahashi Keisuke in Initial D, and Yzak Joule in GS. Definitely "delinquent" enough for me. :D

Of course, I'm not too sure as to what kind of character Tomoya is, exactly, so I'm probably way off base here. :heh:

[velocity7]

Trust me when I say Seki doesn't really fit him. Seki may have the tsukkomi trait that Tomoya has, but his voice is too deep.

[DragoonKain3]

@Kinny
No it's not because of the OT posts that the topic is losing steam. It's just a combination of...

1) It's a start of a new season, and as such people are more interested in the new things NOW

and

2) I don't think we've got any new material recently (past month?), whether it be scans or otherwise just news.

[boggart]

But seriously... I don't understand why they have used put such a picture of Nagisa as a centrepiece on the webpage of AnimeFesta 2007 if they are not going to premiere the anime there.

[Nightengale]

Well, to me, I'd prefer someone who can not only portray the role needed to well, but also has the kind of...chemistry with the other cast members.

Putting aside what game players say about Seki not being suitable, since Nagisa's clearly the "main" girl...well, let's just say the last time I watched a Seki/Mai show (( My-Hime )), I didn't enjoy their chemistry one bit. Of course , different roles play for different voices, and different kind of interactions, so things may be different, but just my 2 cents. Besides, the sound director too may affect how the portrayal of the interaction comes out to the audience.

Rather than speculation, I'd rather just wait and see who Kyoto Animation comes up with.

[velocity7]

Or you could check the drama CDs and see how well it works. :)

Of course, that's comparing against the bonus DVD with the first release of CLANNAD PS2, which had Kentarou Itou... (note Wikipedia is wrong, the game itself didn't voice Tomoya at all, it's just the bonus DVD)

[Leo_Otaku]

Or you could check the drama CDs and see how well it works. :)

Of course, that's comparing against the bonus DVD with the first release of CLANNAD PS2, which had Kentarou Itou... (note Wikipedia is wrong, the game itself didn't voice Tomoya at all, it's just the bonus DVD)

Which was sooo a disappointment! I was looking forward to hearing his comments ^-^"

[Skane]

I just had a strange thought... what about Kamina's VA? :heh:

*mulls over the idea of a Kamina-type character in a Renai-Game*

Narf.

[Nightengale]

I just had a strange thought... what about Kamina's VA? :heh:

*mulls over the idea of a Kamina-type character in a Renai-Game*

Narf.

Katsuyuki Konishi was also the VA for gasp! the silent, sombre and loyal Haji from Blood+. :eyespin:

[Kinny Riddle]

Trust me when I say Seki doesn't really fit him. Seki may have the tsukkomi trait that Tomoya has, but his voice is too deep.
Agreed. I thought Seki would be more suitable as Sunohara, Tomoya's delinquent partner-in-crime. More disregard for the rules and less intelligent, which provides Tomoya plenty of opportunities to play pranks on him.

[Ascaloth]

Ah, well.....I got shot down. :heh:

Although yeah, now that I think about it, Seki's made a habit out of playing the hapless side character who's always overshadowed by the main. So, if Seki for Sunohara, who for Tomoya? Hmmm......

[Nightengale]

No, no, no, Sunohara to stay the same Daisuke Sakaguchi! :(

I've only played through Clannad a little (( not that long after Tomoya saw Nagisa the first time )), but goddamn it, Sunohara's pitched quirky and dorky voice is addictive as hell. And from what game-players say, that is only one extremely minor, speck of a fragment of Sunohara.

[Nightengale]

Hmm...I've heard 2 tracks from the Nagisa Drama CD. The one with the...*r****** and the Soul Blade/Shinken one lol.

I like it. I think Nojima Kenji did a pretty good job overall. The tone was there, the emitted feelings can be felt, and while it's a little bit generic (( the voice style )) that is, it's a solid voice acting work. Of course, it's hard to evaluate since this Tomoya is already...erm...you know what I mean, and I stopped at 2 tracks to not spoil myself too much.

The only problem is that due to the fact that it was a "shinken match", and the extra irony that Ossan is voiced by Okiayu who played Trihart, a literal soulblader in Shining Tear X Wind/Shining Wind, and along with Tomoya's talking style, I keep voice-visualizing Hoshi Souichiro and god forbid, some of Akira Ishida for Tomoya as well when I hear Tomoya talking.

Granted, both of them are not really that suitable (( more so for Ishida )), since Hoshi's voice style is more boke than tsukommi (( and his teenage character voice template seems to fit Sunohara better, since he's good at playing those half-dorky, but well-meaning delinquent teenager types. )), and Ishida's teenage character archtype is angst. No one does better teenage angsty monologues like Akira Ishida, but it can't be helped that this was the impression I got.

That being said, I wouldn't mind Nojima Kenji. At least I think he's better as Tomoya than the Tomokazu(s).

[velocity7]

Well, I guess all the drama CDs are spoilerish (thus far). Better wait for Another Story. :)

[Sushi-Y]

No, no, no, Sunohara to stay the same Daisuke Sakaguchi! :(

I've only played through Clannad a little (( not that long after Tomoya saw Nagisa the first time )), but goddamn it, Sunohara's pitched quirky and dorky voice is addictive as hell. And from what game-players say, that is only one extremely minor, speck of a fragment of Sunohara.
Let me put it this way, if they kept other characters' VAs (as they did so far in the announcements) but changed Sunohara's VA to somebody other than Sakaguchi, I'll fly to Japan and smack Ishihara's shiny forehead myself, if it's not smacked by thousands of angry game fans already.

[Willy@m]

Fuko has appeared on CLANNAD TV website

http://w3.bs-i.co.jp/clannad/

I'm worried about this adaptation of CLANNAD by KyoAni... :confused: At the moment, i will be looking forward to CLANNAD Movie ( the teaser was great and completely for fans ). CLANNAD TV, however, seems to be an adaptation for all kind of public. I say that because i respect all CLANNAD characters and i don't want to see an ecchi scene of our heroines on TV series.

[Mirrinus]

Fuko has appeared on CLANNAD TV website

http://w3.bs-i.co.jp/clannad/

I'm worried about this adaptation of CLANNAD by KyoAni... :confused: At the moment, i will be looking forward to CLANNAD Movie ( the teaser was great and completely for fans ). CLANNAD TV, however, seems to be an adaptation for all kind of public. I say that because i respect all CLANNAD characters and i don't want to see an ecchi scene of our heroines on TV series.

Looking at Kyoto Animation's version of both AIR and Kanon, I don't think you will find anything ecchi in the series. I mean, it wasn't even an eroge in the first place...

[velocity7]

Series was never meant to be ecchi. But there are your jokes, but all because Akio has a pr0n book with him. ;)

[amoirsp]

The series couldn't possibly be ecchi, at least not as a genre. If there was a random flash, the frequency would be extremely little. I don't recall any ecchi in any of kyoto animation's recent works, as I would find it a very small level (and in some ways leads me to say kyoto animation is rather restrictive, but at least retains implicit measures)

I mean a character could be said is perverted, yes that would probably be implemented, but in terms of actual action, likely to a lesser degree.

Since Kanon had a few jokes, some of the jokes better be in clannad as well, or you lose some of the humour. Though, since there is someone named Sunohara, the likelyhood of jokes is essentially amplified. So Clannad, with how it is structured, can limit weaknesses that existed in both Kanon and AIR (likewise it imposes new possible weaknesses, such as covering even more characters, making shafting much easier to do).

Since Sunohara is around, he will likely have among the most air time, which hopefully prevents Nagisa from being excessively used, since her prominent importance will already net a large amount of use anyways (meaning hopefully the other characters can be significant enough to warrant usage such that they're kind of even, though obviously they are not. Thus, the fact that like half of the routes are indeed completely independent of each other, makes cohesion more difficult, even though it can kind of coexist.)

Well, so far I've been more satisfied with every Toei adaptation of the same Key game. O_o And right now, I'm quite intrigued by the movie approach, because I don't think the anime will have much similarity at all to it (well by default it likely would be like that anyways).

And yes, there is that cohesive day problem, since some key events/days are on the same day for different people, but it is different for each route, and if it is segmented into one at a time stories, then you'll have a problem.

Well, given Founder's Day, it's probably going to be merged. Tomoyo will still be dressed in a bear, Sunohara will still get 64 hit by Tomoyo, Misae will still probably look for her cat, Tomoya will still see Nagisa there, and the Fuuko event kind of can co-exist, and Tomoyo can still be student council president since that kind of has to be there. If there is an after story, it would have to be executed at least 2/3 way through. If there isn't an after story, it can be used after 5/6 way through, I would think. Point being that Fuuko, Nagisa, and Tomoyo's routes are likely to be near each other as several predicted routes have displayed. Kyou's route isn't as special day oriented, so even if it is out of chronology, the story can still be implemented. Oh wait, Kotomi's route slipped my mind, but it's too independent to have a confliction.

I think positioning Yukine's route is kind of funny. She's actually not a main girl in a sense, but the point being is that since her route is among the shortest, it would make sense to finish it earlier, since chronologically it does, but at the same time, because the events are kind of an almagam with how some of the things you can do work, it would seem better to put later. Though, given that it's kyoto animation, there's a very high likelyhood that they have Tomoya meet just about every girl within the first six episodes. So this time position issue isn't really an issue.

Although several parts of several stories can clearly be implemented, I'm starting to wonder what will be truncated. Though, the Kyoto Animation might not truncate it, some portions, if coexisted with other things, can seem really odd. Right now I'm still under the assumption of just about every route and just about every positive ending, with a possible shaft or two. I guess Kyoto Animation can try indulging in every single route kind of what they did with Kanon, but it kind of screws up the overall perspective a little.

If it's a 2-cour, some things definitely have to be omitted or shorthanded (especially if after story is implemented, though I guess main ideas can still remain, but plenty of smaller details would go out), but if it is longer, you might get a potential bland issue of being too long (and yes I thought Kanon 2006 had a bland issue. It's very difficult to enjoy watching more than once, and I find it best when I don't have any idea what is going to happen).

I'd probably lose interest if I had to wait longer than Fall 2007. If not, I find the timing quite fitting. Well, if I don't expect much, it'll be easier to enjoy.

[aONErox]

i dont know much about this series to come but i think it looks pretty good and im looking forward to when it comes out

[Sushi-Y]

since there is someone named Sunohara, the likelyhood of jokes is essentially amplified.
Since Sunohara is around, he will likely have among the most air time
The if A then B logic here gave me a good laugh :heh:
All hail Sunohara

Well, given Founder's Day, it's probably going to be merged. Tomoyo will still be dressed in a bear, Sunohara will still get 64 hit by Tomoyo, Misae will still probably look for her cat, Tomoya will still see Nagisa there, and the Fuuko event kind of can co-exist, and Tomoyo can still be student council president since that kind of has to be there. If there is an after story, it would have to be executed at least 2/3 way through. If there isn't an after story, it can be used after 5/6 way through, I would think. Point being that Fuuko, Nagisa, and Tomoyo's routes are likely to be near each other as several predicted routes have displayed. Kyou's route isn't as special day oriented, so even if it is out of chronology, the story can still be implemented. Oh wait, Kotomi's route slipped my mind, but it's too independent to have a confliction.

I think positioning Yukine's route is kind of funny. She's actually not a main girl in a sense, but the point being is that since her route is among the shortest, it would make sense to finish it earlier, since chronologically it does, but at the same time, because the events are kind of an almagam with how some of the things you can do work, it would seem better to put later. Though, given that it's kyoto animation, there's a very high likelyhood that they have Tomoya meet just about every girl within the first six episodes. So this time position issue isn't really an issue.
The Founder's Day event, if done with all the characters together, will be one eventful... event indeed. ^^; I think it's probably best to enter the event from Nagisa or Fuuko's route (since it connects with After Story), with Tomoyo's scenario already completed previously up to that point. Kotomi's scenario... Well, it's true that her story doesn't really interfere with anyone else's, but I guess that means Tomoya will just have to keep visiting her house every now and then to do some garden renovation, whenever he's not busy chasing after the other girls. :heh:

The support character's routes are all generally pretty short compared to the main character routes, and most finish early timeline wise (except Hiiragi), so I don't think there's too much problem here.

[Willy@m]

Kotomi's hot scan for CLANNAD "fans" ¬¬

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5590/largeanimepaperscansclass8.th.jpg (http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=largeanimepaperscansclass8.jpg)

[PaSTi]

It seems CLANNAD TV will have some "ecchi" scenes, like Willy@m said.
The image is for capture new "fans", I don't like it.

[FireChick]

I don't think that looks ecchi at all. Sorry about that. The things that I usually see (anime that I do not watch) that are ecchi are girls being naked and showing off their...well, 'you know whats that start with a B'. That doesn't really look ecchi to me. I don't think Kyoto Animation would want to make anything ecchi and just go with the flow with the clean, non-ecchi versions. Kinda like how they did with Air and Kanon (I'm not sure what to say for Suzumiya Haruhi. Lucky Star is not an exception...I think). Sorry if I'm saying this. I hope I'm not being mean in any way.

[PaSTi]

You have reason, the screen is not ecchi at all but since Suzumiya Haruhi I think Kyoto Animation has taken a diferent way to work with Key's novels. For me Kanon is different from Air, lot of people said that is unnecesary to translate Air (novel) because Kyoto Animation did a really good work with it but with Kanon2006 I don't feel the same as Air, that's beacuse I think Kanon(novel) needs to be translated like planetarian.
I think this images don't represent the true Key's philosophy.
Sorry with my english

[Willy@m]

There are better scenes in CLANNAD that they can draw on scans. Where are tomoya and akio? They are an important characters, but they prefer putting a kotomi's hot scan in water than put an interesting CLANNAD history scan.

Maybe... Does this scan give any information about CLANNAD?

[Sushi-Y]

There are better scenes in CLANNAD that they can draw on scans. Where are tomoya and akio? They are an important characters, but they prefer putting a kotomi's hot scan in water than put an interesting CLANNAD history scan.

Maybe... Does this scan give any information about CLANNAD?
It doesn't mean anything. The game and anime are geared toward otakus, and otakus like to see cute moe girls. That's all.

[Skyfall]

You have reason, the screen is not ecchi at all but since Suzumiya Haruhi I think Kyoto Animation has taken a diferent way to work with Key's novels. For me Kanon is different from Air, lot of people said that is unnecesary to translate Air (novel) because Kyoto Animation did a really good work with it but with Kanon2006 I don't feel the same as Air, that's beacuse I think Kanon(novel) needs to be translated like planetarian.
I think this images don't represent the true Key's philosophy.
Sorry with my english

Suzumiya Haruhi has nothing to do with Key works ;) Air is somewhat far from "very well done", as some parts of it were rather poorly handled.

As for ecchi - Kanon had some ecchi scenes as well, so that wouldn't be anything new. What KyoAni avoid though are pantyshots :heh: thats one thing they don't do, even if it means to make it look like the miniskirt is defying laws of gravity :). Not sure about Key philosophy (or what that would even be), but i don't feel like the image is something 'abnormal' in this regard. Key isn't "ecchi free" by any means either, considering Air, Kanon and Tomoyo After all have 18+ content.

Anyways - Clannad is not going to be an ecchi anime. No more than Kanon and Air anyway, and those were anything but ecchi.

[Willy@m]

It doesn't mean anything. The game and anime are geared toward otakus, and otakus like to see cute moe girls. That's all.

Which kind of "otaku" are you talking about, CLANNAD fans or Anime fans ? The japanese CLANNAD fans only want to read this Key visual novel to see a moe~ girls?

If the answer is Yes, the powerful history of CLANNAD will be pushed into the background ( Akio and Tomoya too ), giving a priority to a cute moe~ girls on CLANNAD TV adaptation. Is that true?

[FireChick]

As for ecchi - Kanon had some ecchi scenes as well, so that wouldn't be anything new. What KyoAni avoid though are pantyshots thats one thing they don't do, even if it means to make it look like the miniskirt is defying laws of gravity . Not sure about Key philosophy (or what that would even be), but i don't feel like the image is something 'abnormal' in this regard. Key isn't "ecchi free" by any means either, considering Air, Kanon and Tomoyo After all have 18+ content.

Anyways - Clannad is not going to be an ecchi anime. No more than Kanon and Air anyway, and those were anything but ecchi.

Oh. Sorry. Why do I always forget stuff?! Curse my rotten brain! Anyway, back on-topic...I think?

[Skane]

Man... if people consider that picture to be ecchi, their brains would probably meltdown from seeing a bra or panties. :rolleyes: Note how they broke the laws of physics and censored the picture already.

Cheers.

[Leo_Otaku]

As for ecchi content... I think we would see that in Little Busters if it were an anime more so than anything from Clannad. Clannad has a few jokes that might be considered echhi? (questionably?) But then there was the same in Kanon too.

As for when the show is airing, I haven't seen any new Haruhi images floating around >.> Clannd is coming!

[WanderingKnight]

Note how they broke the laws of physics and censored the picture already.

Now, now, she's pulling the skirt down, like every girl does... or not? :heh:

[amoirsp]

Well, what you called ecchi, with that image to back up that statement does allow me to understand what you meant in the first place. I was confused since Key never seemed to have any official images of Clannad that did that, since it was the only game that was specifically all-ages. Now what I would say your image looked like is more like, aggressive. If you want to really think deeply, than you can take it as subliminal messaging.

Those that have played Kotomi's route would notice some things. Well, although that image does not recall a specific part of the game, it does imply multiple things. First off, the expression is completely off of Kotomi's contrast. In the game, any of the characters are aware of this, and thus Kyou suggests Kotomi do something to Tomoya, such as giving him a surprise hug from behind, indirectly letting him feel her big soft chest. Kotomi would obviously be oblivious to the actual implication of such an action, agreeing to do it in the first place since Kyou claims it would make Tomoya happy.

Most of the images, although not necessarily directly related to scenes (or maybe), usually include at least something that would occur in the game/anime. Fuuko handing out starfish, that's obvious. Nagisa and drama, that's obvious. Fujibayashi sisters eating lunch, that too. Though now I'm not too sure since the background baffles me, and it doesn't look like a garden to me.

The implication from this image? Well, it's a double implication because of the fact that Kotomi sometimes does not wear her shoes, which is something identified from the first meeting of her because she is eating lunch alone and cutting paper in books. I don't think the background is a garden though.

Not really a spoiler, but the point was that the images usually imply at least some component of what the anime or game would present. I don't know if it's called subliminal messaging or not. However, that image I do not recall a particular scene, but if you derive it carefully, you'll notice it actually has a few components from the game that's implied (now the other Kotomi image we've seen is the obvious violin one.).

I'd rather call the image marginal, or aggressive. Quite frankly, if Kyoani actually makes Clannad more aggressive than Kanon, it actually would increase my interest quite a bit. There were some Kanon jokes that were implicit but not implemented, but that's not a downside anyways (I still thought the flow was stagnant at times).

Oh Skyfall, technically Kyoani did anime a pantyshot flash before. It's in Mikuru Adventures Episode 00, where she jumps over the camera angle. It's really fast, but the fact she jumped over the floor camera angle just makes it impossible to be invisible. However, like you said, Haruhi isn't Key related. If I was thinking attraction, it would probably be the detail on the background of AIR or Kanon (as opposed to Haruhi where portions of detail went to moe/turn-ons specifically and thus you see things occur with Mikuru that would never occur in Kanon or AIR).

Yeah, and that moe thing, the girls would attract the attention easier. And because it's a Key game, we also could recall that things like cover boxes or front covers never show the main guy (and probably not another one). So in terms of advertising, I don't think you'd see many pictures of the main guy. I mean, you look at artbooks for say, Kanon, and you see practically 100% girls (though it's artbooks, so I guess stating this is naught). Anyhow I'm sure scans were intended to be made for similar intents, which is attract attention.

I mean, Kanon 2006, aside from the prelude, I would say it was definitely majourity girl images/products. So it's not a male shaft usage, since for Kanon or Air, the frequency isn't any different. Look at Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu, where Kyon is probably the most important character, and yet you hardly see his character in any sort of promotional image/banner/whatever. Though yes, it isn't Key, though it was a somewhat recent production, so it's slightly comparable.

Anyhow, the lack of Tomoya images may make Tomoya's debut better. I thought Yuuichi's debut in Kanon 2006 was just fine (though too much Kyon similarity feeling ahaha). We know little of Tomoya in terms of image presentation because of the lack of him, and the fact that he'd be seen in third person is going to be a completely new feeling regardless. With this unknown level, this will be a point of interest with this perspective.

Anyhow, he starts off the game with a very pessimistic like mood anyways. First impression? Delinquent of course. Of course you also learn that he's not a bad person and this and that that will be presented in the anime that will be the most impressive part, which is the growth and interactions I would think. So if he was in an image, the delinquent one wouldn't be so happy. And while he contains humour, he's not specifically a comedic character that Sunohara would have emphasis on. And technically, the most accurate is ... first person view. So technically you don't see him, and thus the lack of him in images is further accurate implying that he was in first person, so you don't actually see him. Well, this isn't exactly spoiler but I wouldn't know what's the best projection. Quite frankly he could present multiple moods. A happy one wouldn't be convincing, and nearly all images need to present that (cool would be the other one I suppose).

Clannad could easily have a main girl shaft, but I don't think the male characters would be shafted much at all. Well then again, a select few is pretty much humour emphasis, so even if there is a shaft, the humour would probably still be there anyways. You can't sense story from promotional images, so if it is executed well in its airing, then I think that will suffice.

Actually, because of the way the jokes work, and how some things work in the game, I would actually hope Kyoani gets slightly more aggressive. Note: slightly. Currently I think their Key works have been slightly restrictive, so you might get a loss of momentum or as other say, some parts were poorly handled. If the higher aggressiveness results in more accuracy in all regards, if it minimises parts possibly being poorly handled, then I would be very satisfied. (If anything not from the game is implemented, hopefully this time it can be more interesting, but I can't think of anything, so I just hope the course of the anime would have a more sufficient flow.) Unfortunately, since they'll implement just about everything, the likelyhood of losing momentum somewhere is very likely (particularly since all the routes don't technically coexist). There's perversions and jokes, none which should impact any stories, but it would be nice if they included them. Or if there's a girl in a school uniform doing a flying kick, do a minour flash if such skirt physics are impossible without a flash. Then again via preview, Tomoyo doing lightning kicks already displayed that while the kicks for humour would be implemented, the likelyhood of a flash is pretty much impossible. No explicit portions are perfectly fine, but the implicit portions better be retained.

Okay seriously, if Kyoani is going to restrict Clannad to the degree of Kanon 2006, I won't know how the heck they would animate parts with Tomoyo and Tomoya alone. Likely it will be toned down, but it would make little sense if it was removed, with other parts in the scene still remained. If it can't be explicit, it better be implicit. Well, given history of Makoto airings, some degree should still exist.

Of course there were parts in the game that described things Tomoya was doing, such as a perverted look or something perverted. Or some of Kyou's actions, if animated without restrictions, sure there could be a flash or a boob grab. However, these are more minour. Tomoyo's case is emphasis on physical affection displaying strong wants and bonds, and well if there were to be a Tomoyo After you would need some degree of that displayed or it would seem way too restrictive.

Well, if such things were animated, I'd be happy in terms of accuracy. If not, if it still makes sense, then that's fine too. If the implicit jokes were removed, I guess that is okay too, but I'd rather those stay in because of context humour.

I totally forgot that Sunohara BLEEDS from said hits/kicks/slaps/smacks. Considering how Kyoani toned that down considerably for Kanon after the Sayuri incident, I wouldn't be surprised if that was removed. Though this I'm more or less indifferent about, particularly since unlike Clannad, it wasn't in more sad/serious occurrences, but rather humour. There's no chance Kyoani wouldn't implement the actual hit.

Well, by default, it cannot be ecchi. There's almost nothing in the game that warrants that. At least not certain obvious things you may find in an ecchi anime. If anything, it would have maybe one or two things at most, and such cases might not even be animated. And well, since it is a visual novel, you don't actually see anything anyways.

However, if Kyoani again, is slightly more aggressive with Clannad than how it was in Kanon, I'd actually be rather happy with that. This just means if they have majourity of the jokes and any/all of the actions without toning it down, then that'd be cool. (Note how ecchi anime would usually amplify the perverted portions. If Clannad had any of it, it's quite mild, but certainly not exaggerated)

And thus I conclude that every Clannad image thus far implies at least one thing or another that is actually identifiable from the game and can relate either to story or event or occurrence. (Though yes I do agree that Kotomi image is actually pretty aggressive.)

And I just realised, of all things ecchi, I don't even see how Clannad would have fanservice (the explicit version). Though I suppose it easily could have the implicit one, but not to a large degree (not like ecchi anime at all, not at all, absolutely no way at all, not that degree). If there is perversion, it would probably be of a similar degree to Kanon scenes that have Yuuichi and Makoto, and that's probably the most it would be taken to, which would be fine.

Ah, and in the end, anything Sunohara related regardless of the situation would still pretty much be there. And thus, I expect humour, not ecchi. Ecchi amount would be like 1% at best. Humour would be like 50%, while drama/sadness is some other portion. However, it wouldn't be a comedy series. The equation for how clannad works should still be very similar to AIR or Kanon, despite differences. I mainly would prefer a lesser amount of Kyoani weaknesses.

The images have nice indirect subliminal messaging, but otherwise I would find has absolutely no accuracy for first impression. I am quite sure the anime would project a much different impression, and hopefully the prelude would be similar to that of Kanon (though that's probably because I knew nothing of Kanon at the time of the start of the anime).

However, if such images give the idea that Clannad may have more perversion than AIR or Kanon, then I wouldn't really disagree to that (though again, at most it would be to a slightly larger degree, while an ecchi anime would be tenfold more). I guess despite the fact that Clannad is all ages, that mainly means it has no specific 18+ content, but it doesn't restrict any level of perversion.

Well, again at least I see why you said ecchi in the first place. It makes sense to me.

Ugh, I repeat myself too often, my bad.

On the other hand, based on the last post, is the image ... a curtsy? O_o Though that'd be a weird one.

[Mirrinus]

Oh the irony...wasn't it Toei's Kanon adaptation the one with the panty shots?

[Willy@m]

Oh the irony...wasn't it Toei's Kanon adaptation the one with the panty shots?

and KyoAni's Kanon has the Nayuki's bra, is the same :p

[nani]

Latest rumor from Moon Phase (http://d.hatena.ne.jp/moonphase/20070726#p2) :

Autumn 07 : Clannad Season 1
Winter 07 : SHnY Season 2
Spring 08 (or later) : Clannad Season 2

Let's keep our fingers crossed.....

[Willy@m]

@_o

CLANNAD by seasons?

[Deathkillz]

2 seasons? so they are planning on making us wait :eyebrow:
you can already begin to imagine the cliffhanger :rolleyes:

as far as pantyflashes go...i would expect to see some seeing the girl's kicks XD

[CCYoshi]

Latest rumor from Moon Phase (http://d.hatena.ne.jp/moonphase/20070726#p2) :

Autumn 07 : Clannad Season 1
Winter 07 : SHnY Season 2
Spring 08 (or later) : Clannad Season 2

Let's keep our fingers crossed.....

How could they slot even part of Clannad into fall and still get Haruhi off the ground in 2007 - unless there's some overlap!? Lucky Star still has 10-odd episodes to go, which would put us at about the start of October for Clannad, assuming no dead time (i.e. right after LS ends, Clannad begins the next week). Clannad could still only get 12 episodes done before the end of the year at one a week.

Unless of course Winter 07 also includes early 2008 as well. But then, Haruhi could only get in another 1-cour season or so before going back into Clannad. Hmm...

I suppose it could work, because I'm not the best at knowing how these anime seasons work, but it feels like it would be a better idea to not split up the shows, just have one go before the other. It feels more fair for Clannad to go first (since it was announced earlier), but with the power of the Haruhiists it could go either way. I can't complain, in any case. :D

[Skyfall]

Latest rumor from Moon Phase (http://d.hatena.ne.jp/moonphase/20070726#p2) :

Autumn 07 : Clannad Season 1
Winter 07 : SHnY Season 2
Spring 08 (or later) : Clannad Season 2

Let's keep our fingers crossed.....

I am quite puzzled about how that would work out. Until anything official is announced i am going to say that these rumors are just that - rumors, and take that information with ocean's worth of salt.

[cyth]

In September issue of Monthly Comic Rush, word came about that a big announcement concerning CLANNAD TV is going to be made on TBS Anime Festa, which is an annual TBS event. Event date: August 11th--12th.

Anyway, this big announcement may put all the speculations about Kyoto Animation's "schedule" in their correct places. Also, as part of the event's screenings, they will also show new CLANNAD TV footage, and that might as well be the first episode of it (and this is another speculation :p). Remember last year's Kanon TV and the early screening of its first episode on Tokyo Anime Fair?

There will be other screenings on this event, most notably an early screening of the barely announced Hidamari Sketch Special that's slated to air this October on BS-i.

[FireChick]

Yay! Clannad and Haruhi in the same year! I'm happy Clannad's still gonna be shown! So everyone's happy! I better spread the word!

[velocity7]

In September issue of Monthly Comic Rush, word came about that a big announcement concerning CLANNAD TV is going to be made on TBS Anime Festa, which is an annual TBS event. Event date: August 11th--12th.

Anyway, this big announcement may put all the speculations about Kyoto Animation's "schedule" in their correct places. Also, as part of the event's screenings, they will also show new CLANNAD TV footage, and that might as well be the first episode of it (and this is another speculation :p). Remember last year's Kanon TV and the early screening of its first episode on Tokyo Anime Fair?

There will be other screenings on this event, most notably an early screening of the barely announced Hidamari Sketch Special that's slated to air this October on BS-i.

This was already mentioned long, long ago. You can search the thread...

http://www.tbs.co.jp/anime/festa/

[Leo_Otaku]

That would be really interesting to see that done two seasons....It would make the story so much better since it is much longer story....How many episodes for each season? Hmm.....

[houkoholic]

That would be really interesting to see that done two seasons....It would make the story so much better since it is much longer story....How many episodes for each season? Hmm.....

One season in Japan is 13 episode. So if this rumor is true, then this make Clannad 26 episodes in total but broken into two runs of 13 episodes with Haruhi sandwiched in between.

It doesn't sound plausible to me, as I have already assumed that Clannad had to be at least 26 episodes in the first place due to the epic-ness of the story and the amount of characters they have to cover. I can't picture how they can do this without totally ruining the flow. As the most logical way would be do 13 eps of the school life section and then devote 13eps to After Story - but school life was much long with more characters to cover.

[cyth]

This was already mentioned long, long ago. You can search the thread...lol? Let me quote the original poster:
August 11th... So close, yet so far.
So forgive me for not noticing a post done in March, even though the main message of my post was mentioning of the "big announcement" that will be made at the event. n_n

[FatPianoBoy]

As the most logical way would be do 13 eps of the school life section and then devote 13eps to After Story - but school life was much long with more characters to cover.

Perhaps one is Nagisa and one is Tomoyo?

[houkoholic]

Perhaps one is Nagisa and one is Tomoyo?

That's just not possible either, since Tomoyo After is not officially related to Clannad. Without Tomoyo After Tomoyo's story can only make up 5 eps or so at best, and the nature of her story also means you really can't have other heroine's arc weaved in.

[velocity7]

Perhaps one is Nagisa and one is Tomoyo?

Nope, not possible.

Going through more of the game, I figure this might be a possible way to go about things:

Main route should cover:

Nagisa
Sunoharas’
Koumura
Fuuko
Yukine
Misae
Kotomi
Kappei

Kyou and Tomoyo won't be able to maintain a true role in the main route because of the circumstances revolving around them, and thus could end up in DVD specials.

I did a quick math with the game so far; 82% of the game revolves around the School Life section, and 18% of it in the After Story. If we were to go by that, After Story would be 13 episodes, and School Life would be 59 episodes (!!). Of course, that's unreasonable; it should be possible to cover School Life in 26 episodes (given the merging), with Kyou and Tomoyo's routes in DVD specials. Of course, this means shafting the two in the main anime, but not much can be done in this regard due to the way their stories were written originally; unless Maeda can come around and come up with something completely new for the two (yet allowing them to give lights for 幻想世界).

List of possible DVD specials:

Kyou's route (likely two DVDs)
Tomoyo's route (likely two DVDs)
Sunohara, TV, and games
Red Lightning Flash Zillion
Baseball route
Yukine's spells
Fuuko Master
All the CLANNAD Another Story chapters, including the ones in the fanbook

Doing it this way, it'd leave some leeway for Kyoto Animation to do a Tomoyo After OVA (likely 3~4 episodes).

Going into reasons why Kyou can't make it into the main anime showing:
It has a lot to do with the fact her route is purely the run-of-the-mill romance and having very little to do with the family theme central to the game...
And going to reasons why Tomoyo can't make it:
Tomoyo's route is all about her trying to become Student Council President so she can keep the sakura trees from being cut down so when her younger brother, Takafumi enters, the two can walk together with the sakura trees still around. Lots of family themes, but one problem. Tomoya has to get involved and romance between the two is the main conflict; conflict between the romance and her job as the President. Without that conflict, she's sure to keep the trees around, but no lights are going to be given to Tomoya (due to lack of involvement). Tomoya has to be there.

[Kinny Riddle]

One season in Japan is 13 episode. So if this rumor is true, then this make Clannad 26 episodes in total but broken into two runs of 13 episodes with Haruhi sandwiched in between.

It doesn't sound plausible to me, as I have already assumed that Clannad had to be at least 26 episodes in the first place due to the epic-ness of the story and the amount of characters they have to cover. I can't picture how they can do this without totally ruining the flow. As the most logical way would be do 13 eps of the school life section and then devote 13eps to After Story - but school life was much long with more characters to cover.
Well, the first season can be 24-26 episodes focusing on School Life and the second season with 12-13 episodes can focus on After Story. With Suzumiya Haruhi sandwiched nicely in between.

[Skyfall]

Well, the first season can be 24-26 episodes focusing on School Life and the second season with 12-13 episodes can focus on After Story. With Suzumiya Haruhi sandwiched nicely in between.

The problem with this is: Clannad 'first season' can't be 24-26 episodes, because Haruhi is supposed to start in winter 2007. With 24 - 26 episodes Clannad(1st season) would end in spring 2008. Either way i highly doubt the plausibility of these rumors.

[velocity7]

I think the whole Haruhi business was only because it was 7/7/7, and they had to make an announcement then and there or forever hold their peace. Although I'd like to see Haruhi as well, I doubt they're that ready at all in terms of content (CLANNAD is getting the showing at Anime Festa in two weeks after all).

[Deathkillz]

not to mention 26 eps overall is punty :/ not much better than kanon though they had less material to crap in :heh:

well another option if they do what houkoholic is hinting at is for the first season to have 26 eps while the 2nd season has 13 (odd number like what happened to death note :p)

edit: ahh...but push haruhi to a later date perhaps?

oops didnt click a page forward XD

[boggart]

I think I'm gonna take everything with a large grain of salt until August 11-12 for the Anime Festa details to surface. Come on, that's only 2 weeks away? :p

In the meantime I can enjoy Little Busters! to keep me happy... LOL

[Ichigo91]

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3536/thumbnailuc3.jpg (http://anime-chronicles.com/index.php?q=/post/view/1765)

[boggart]

LOL... I see you found your way over here. Again, nice scan you have there.

Judging from the character designs down the bottom, they are looking pretty good. Having not played the Clannad game previously, I'm seeing a lot of violence coming from Kyou and now Tomoyo... is it a big part of the story?

(I LOL'd at Sunohara, or is it Okazaki, in the air in that pic...)

[Orrin]

Heh well Sunohara does get beaten up a lot by Kyou and Tomoyo during the earlier parts of the game, but he almost always deserves it. He's the one that actually challenges Tomoyo to fights because he's determined that she couldn't possibly be stronger than him, when she's finally convinced him well then he's just plainly stupid and keeps getting beaten up anyway.

When it comes to Kyou it's often Tomoya that's the cause behind it, he usually tricks Sunohara into doing something that makes Kyou abuse him. The biggest difference between Kyou and Tomoyo is that Sunohara completely lacks respect for Tomoyo in the beginning while he often screams like a child as soon as Kyou appears :heh:

And yes that's Sunohara in the air, Tomoya is to slick to ever get beaten up.

[amoirsp]

I think the impressive part of the image is the fact that we see the base design for Tomoya.

While I find that most interesting ... in a way he looks almost no different than Yuuichi and very similar to Kyon.

I guess the overall look for male leads will have many similarities. It's like a mix of Yuuichi and Yukito.

Well, that spoils the unknown factour of what Tomoya would look like in the anime.

While most of these images are accurate in the sense that the overall context is correct (or rather something can be derived from the game rather easily), none of the images seem to be directly accurate either. Well, even this image, though the overall idea is spot on, given that it's too obvious, it's not 100% what happened.

The anime's challenge is already clear (conflicting portions, context, or flow). Things like animation quality is not going to be of any concern. Well, if the air date is in the fall, it's not too much longer.

[Leo_Otaku]

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3536/thumbnailuc3.jpg (http://anime-chronicles.com/index.php?q=/post/view/1765)

LMAO that is truly awesome XD poor sunohara getting the worst of it...but he also deserves it most of the time :uhoh:

Yeah Okazaki has blue hair from what I remember.

Yeah I was just thinking of episode counts I wonder if it will be 24/26 or more. More would make so much more sense.

[UPR]

this problaby has been asked before but i just found this and got me interested since it's about romance but have not found much info about it (only on ANN) so anybody could explain it to me further I would be greatly thankful.

[boggart]

this problaby has been asked before but i just found this and got me interested since it's about romance but have not found much info about it (only on ANN) so anybody could explain it to me further I would be greatly thankful.

Have a read through this thread. If you want a brief summary, check out the Wikipedia entry - here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clannad_%28visual_novel%29).

[UPR]

see i was looking for a wiki page and could not find it. thanks

[Ichigo91]

http://anime-chronicles.com/_thumbs/1bd99382d1838887cb16ae290d67074f/1788.jpg (http://anime-chronicles.com/post/view/1788)

[Sushi-Y]

It looks like Kotobukiya is re-releasing their CLANNAD figures.

http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=447705
http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=447725
http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=447745

I already have them all from their first release, but this is a great second chance for anyone who missed getting them. ^^ (Especially Tomoyo)

[Riker]

I think these were made by the same person who made those blue background Kanon wallpapers.

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/8991/1186328735067nw9.th.jpg (http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1186328735067nw9.jpg) http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/7913/1186328689894rj6.th.jpg (http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1186328689894rj6.jpg) http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/3721/1186328633199mp9.th.jpg (http://img236.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1186328633199mp9.jpg)

[boggart]

:o Those wallpapers look good... time to remove my Little Busters! wall, and update with the feisty Kyou!

[JagdPanther]

Hmm. I saw an advertisement for this at the end of Kanon 2006, which I just finished the other day. This looks kinda interesting. Might have to put this on my list of stuff to get.

[FireChick]

Me too. I just found the manga at www.mangarun.com ! Nagisa looks cute!

[DragoonKain3]

Awesome Kyou wallies and scan. Thanks guys! XD

[JagdPanther]

Me too. I just found the manga at www.mangarun.com ! Nagisa looks cute!
I didn't understand it at all, but it was funny. :D

[ayukanon45]

i keep hearing different air dates, are ANY confirmed at the moment, i really dont wanna wait another year

[velocity7]

No confirmed dates. Everyone says it's the past and future, but if I were you I'd wait until TBS Anime Festa (August 11 & 12) for an official answer.

[boggart]

3 days people... I'm sure waiting that long can't be THAT bad...

[Varion]

i keep hearing different air dates, are ANY confirmed at the moment, i really dont wanna wait another year

lol of course it's not going to be another year.

But yeah, we'll find out for sure in a few days. This month's Newtype (due out the 10th August) does have it down under Autumn shows though... (and no, I forgot to save that scan so I can't post it.) But, of course, they might be wrong.

[Leo_Otaku]

3 days people... I'm sure waiting that long can't be THAT bad...

two days even because they are a day ahead...but 0_0 need to find out >.> I wanna know what ppl think of it ^-^

[houkoholic]

I'm going. I'll give an impression of it.

[Leo_Otaku]

I'm going. I'll give an impression of it.

Thats so awesome! I hate being here >.< I can't wait to hear what it is like!
I always end up missing the events in japan ^-^"

[Varion]

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1982/1186604018114tk1.th.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1186604018114tk1.jpg)

Here we go. Enjoy the low quality.

[Shana-tan]

is just me or there are more images of Kyou, Tomoyo and Nagisa than the other two girls (Kotomi and Fuuko)?

[Kristen]

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1982/1186604018114tk1.th.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1186604018114tk1.jpg)

Here we go. Enjoy the low quality.

If that is the August 11th announcement, is there any news on a date of release? Or what does it say?

[relentlessflame]

If that is the August 11th announcement, is there any news on a date of release? Or what does it say?Well, for starters, the Engrish text in the top left corner says "The Selection of New Title in Autumn", so...

[Kristen]

Well, for starters, the Engrish text in the top left corner says "The Selection of New Title in Autumn", so...

Oh, I didn't notice that, it was a little blurry.

I guess that states it. I'm thinking of an October release in that case which will run 24 episodes. Kyoto seems to like the number 24 a lot.

[relentlessflame]

Oh, I didn't notice that, it was a little blurry.Haha -- I don't blame you -- it was a lot blurry. :heh:

And yeah, your guess sounds right on to me.

[Kristen]

Haha -- I don't blame you -- it was a lot blurry. :heh:

And yeah, your guess sounds right on to me.

Yeah. Lucky Star should end on September 16th, and I am highly suspecting that during the "Next Episode" portion, they will show the first clips of Haruhi season 2. They will probably take two to three weeks off, allowing for an October 7th release. This will run much like Kanon and finish on somethin like March 16th. At that point I think they will take another 2 weeks off and starting on April 6th they will release Haruhi Season 2, which will go until July 6th.

That is as far as my predictions go. :)

[boggart]

Sounds good ChrissieXD... again, let's wait for those attending the AnimeFesta today and tomorrow fill us in on what the real deal with Clannad is going to be.

[houkoholic]

Back from TBS Festival, so here's the meat:
* Clannad goes on air on 4th October on BS-i, TBS and MBS.
* Tomoya's seiyuu is Nakamura Yuuichi
* Opening is Megumaru (as expected), ending is a new song "Dango Kasoku" which has its music based on Chiisa na Tenohira.

As for the show itself, let's just say there is nothing to worry about - it's Kyoani quality and I think that speaks for itself. Sunohara, Akio and Sanae are brilliantly handled, no complaints from me as a fan of the game.

[Nightengale]

Argh. Yuuichi Nakamura.

Mind giving your personal thoughts on his voice as Tomoya? Disregard any comparison to Kenji, just thoughts based on what was shown, IF there was a voice-in by Nakamura. It's okay if there's bias, I just want some reassurement.

I personally was never really fond of his voice work. Of course, he has little roles thus far, but none of them (( that I watched )) really clicked with me yet.

[Shiroth]

October isn't all that much of a shock, though brilliant news! I can't wait to hear the musical score for the series, yet again.

I have no problems with Nakamura, and i'm sure to keep thinking that after the first episode.

[houkoholic]

He did a pretty good job.

There are basically two sides to Tomoya which Kyoani was trying to portray. The exterior, deliquent side, and via the use of monologues which reflects the aimless-ness of Tomoya's life. He was able to do both pretty well and conveyed the right emotions.

I wouldn't say he was as perfect of a fit as say, Sugita as Yuuichi in Kanon where on the get go you feel he was spot on, but otoh Nakamura did better than Ono's first episode as Yukito of AIR. That's how I would rank it.

[Nightengale]

That's good enough for me. Thanks a lot for the input.

Well, I'll just look forward to Clannad. Looks like it was a good idea to put the game on hold after all. Other than the boring monologues, the first ~meeting, and some other friend~interactions, I haven't been spoiled on anything.

Btw... Sakaguchi IS VOICING Sunohara...RIGHT!?

[houkoholic]

Btw... Sakaguchi IS VOICING Sunohara...RIGHT!?

Yes. Nobody is changed AFAIK.

[boggart]

Back from TBS Festival, so here's the meat:
* Clannad goes on air on 4th October on BS-i, TBS and MBS.
* Tomoya's seiyuu is Nakamura Yuuichi
* Opening is Megumaru (as expected), ending is a new song "Dango Kasoku" which has its music based on Chiisa na Tenohira.

As for the show itself, let's just say there is nothing to worry about - it's Kyoani quality and I think that speaks for itself. Sunohara, Akio and Sanae are brilliantly handled, no complaints from me as a fan of the game.
Thanks for the report back, houkoholic! Sounds like it's going to be an anxious wait for the next couple of months then! :D

Any idea if 'Meg Mell' will be sung by Riya as the original game version or will there be a new mix? I'm guessing the new ED song will feature Riya as vocals as well. It's a shame that they won't be using 'Kage Futatsu' as the ending theme.

[Shiroth]

I wouldn't say he was as perfect of a fit as say, Sugita as Yuuichi in Kanon where on the get go you feel he was spot on, but otoh Nakamura did better than Ono's first episode as Yukito of AIR. That's how I would rank it.
Hmm, i'm quite fond of Ono's Yukito, even in the first episode. Ah well --- i'll take your word for it, hopefully we'll hear Nakamura's Tomoya before the first episode airs, preview or something like that.

[houkoholic]

Any idea if 'Meg Mell' will be sung by Riya as the original game version or will there be a new mix?　

It's a new mix, but the difference is not that big.


I'm guessing the new ED song will feature Riya as vocals as well. It's a shame that they won't be using 'Kage Futatsu' as the ending theme.

The ending is not sung by Riya but a big ensemble, in fact there were so many names I couldn't remember all of it (I think there were at least 6). It's got a nice children's song feel to it, which fits the whole "dango daikasoku" theme (plus the ending animation is of the dangos). Replacing "Kage Futatsu" with a different song is a very good choice, as I would bet that they are saving it for the right moment to play it as an alternate ending theme, as you don't really want it to play "Kage Futatsu" and waste its impact at the end of the first few episodes.

Hmm, i'm quite fond of Ono's Yukito, even in the first episode. Ah well --- i'll take your word for it, hopefully we'll hear Nakamura's Tomoya before the first episode airs, preview or something like that.

Ono's Yukito during the first half of the first episode was still a little stiff IMO. By the second episode he eased in a lot more and I did eventually liked his Yukito more than Midorikawa's.

[nani]

The ending is not sung by Riya but a big ensemble, in fact there were so many names I couldn't remember all of it (I think there were at least 6). It's got a nice children's song feel to it, which fits the whole "dango daikasoku" theme (plus the ending animation is of the dangos).

Thanks for the update.

Do they reuse the BGMs from the game or do they compose new ones for the TV instead?

BTW, have they announced how long will the series be, 13 or 26 (or more) episodes?

[Shiroth]

Do they reuse the BGMs from the game or do they compose new ones for the TV instead?
Well, seeing as though both Air & Kanon both used the score from the game, i can see it being the same here for CLANNAD --- well, i hope.

[houkoholic]

Thanks for the update.

Do they reuse the BGMs from the game or do they compose new ones for the TV instead?

BTW, have they announced how long will the series be, 13 or 26 (or more) episodes?

Same music. I would expect so since they never messed with AIR and Kanon's soundtrack either.

I don't think they mentioned how long it is.

[boggart]

The ending is not sung by Riya but a big ensemble, in fact there were so many names I couldn't remember all of it (I think there were at least 6). It's got a nice children's song feel to it, which fits the whole "dango daikasoku" theme (plus the ending animation is of the dangos). Replacing "Kage Futatsu" with a different song is a very good choice, as I would bet that they are saving it for the right moment to play it as an alternate ending theme, as you don't really want it to play "Kage Futatsu" and waste its impact at the end of the first few episodes.
I guess that's a good point. ^_^ Blame my ignorance of the actual plot details as this story is all new to me. :D I'm just hoping that the 'children's feel' won't ruin my perception of the series... lol... I guess I'll wait to sample it in the imminent Prologue DVD release (I think that there is one similar to Air and Kanon previously?).

Haha... otherwise I'm jumping around in eager anticipation of October 4 now... :D

[relentlessflame]

I guess I'll wait to sample it in the imminent Prologue DVD release (I think that there is one similar to Air and Kanon previously?).Yes -- it's available as a mail-in offer for those who ordered all the Kanon DVDs. Hopefully they're organized and can get them out before the show starts airing, but I'm not necessarily counting on it... Mail-in offers can be quite slow to ship.

[Kristen]

Back from TBS Festival, so here's the meat:
* Clannad goes on air on 4th October on BS-i, TBS and MBS.
* Tomoya's seiyuu is Nakamura Yuuichi
* Opening is Megumaru (as expected), ending is a new song "Dango Kasoku" which has its music based on Chiisa na Tenohira.

As for the show itself, let's just say there is nothing to worry about - it's Kyoani quality and I think that speaks for itself. Sunohara, Akio and Sanae are brilliantly handled, no complaints from me as a fan of the game.

3 days off. Thank you! :)

[JagdPanther]

Well, looking forward to another good anime. ^_^

Good to know the date now. Though at the same time it's kinda depressing because this is just one more that I have to keep track of. *sigh*

[UPR]

I have now 2 romance shows to watch this October it does not get better with SnS and now this. Im a sucker for a good romance series.

[JagdPanther]

I have now 2 romance shows to watch this October it does not get better with SnS and now this. Im a sucker for a good romance series.
I'm more worried about the fact that I have 90 million shows to watch that are sitting on my hard drive. LOL

I've watch soooo much anime this summer and it seems like I've barely made a dent in my backed-up collection. I want to finish off Inukami! this weekend, then Gift ~Eternal Rainbow~ and Magikano next week... Probably also Tokimeki Memorial, since I've decided to push that way up in the "To watch" list now that it's finally finished being subbed.

I just have a thing about not watching too many anime concurrently. I already don't like watching Zero no Tsukaima 2, Potemayo, and Sky Girls concurrently with whatever series I am burning through at the moment. I think I'll watch Clannad as it comes out, and DEFINITELY watch SnS as it comes out. So that's already an increase in my "work" load. LOL

Grrrr.... So much anime to watch, so little time.

[FireChick]

YAAAAAAY! October 4th Woohoo! I better see this! Nakamura Yuuichi as Tomoya? The only voice I've heard him do is Wataru from Kono Aozora ni Yakusoku wo. But that was okay to me so I bet Tomoya will be good too! I get the feeling Youhei is gonna sound like Kish/Kishu from Tokyo Mew Mew. Oh! Who's doing that new ending song called "Dango Kasoku"? I need to add it to ANN.

[Sushi-Y]

MOON PHASE (http://d.hatena.ne.jp/moonphase/20070811) also posted the TBS info and episode comments.

Looks like it'll be really nice come October. The first episode ended after Tomoya has already witnessed Nagisa's acting? That's pretty fast. ^^; But a fitting cut off point, I think.

[Vexx]

Interesting.... the Haruhists should be spontaneously exploding in the street by next April ---- but nice to hear Clannad didn't get bumped.

[velocity7]

MOON PHASE (http://d.hatena.ne.jp/moonphase/20070811) also posted the TBS info and episode comments.

Looks like it'll be really nice come October. The first episode ended after Tomoya has already witnessed Nagisa's acting? That's pretty fast. ^^; But a fitting cut off point, I think.

Can you translate the summary? :o

[DragoonKain3]

Clannad this fall? That means non-stop Kyo-Ani goodness for more than a year running now. And I think my next avvie is all but set for fall season now, lol.

[Mirrinus]

Sorry to ask, but has there been any news on how many episodes it would be? From all the previous comments, it looks like the show would deserve more than the 24 that Kanon got.

[rg4619]

Clannad this fall? That means non-stop Kyo-Ani goodness for more than a year running now.

That could be KyoAni's intention. With the studio so hot now, they'd want to coordinate their schedule/production line so that something is running every season (and there's undoubtedly no lack of project offers).

Sorry to ask, but has there been any news on how many episodes it would be? From all the previous comments, it looks like the show would deserve more than the 24 that Kanon got.

No word yet, it seems. However, with Haruhi on the horizon (now my question is whether Ishihara will be able to direct the upcoming season), I wouldn't count on getting anything longer than Kanon.

[Nightengale]

That could be KyoAni's intention. With the studio so hot now, they'd want to coordinate their schedule/production line so that something is running every season (and there's undoubtedly no lack of project offers).

Most upper-tier studios has something running EVERY season. :heh:

Kyoto Animation's clearly touching the spots though, doing one at a time (( maintaining animation quality )), solid staffs that had been proven strongly on other similar adaptions (( directors, etc )), along with maintaining a relatively solid profile for their works.

[boggart]

[アニメ]TVA「CLANNAD」TBSにて10月4日（木）25:55より放送開始予定。

MBS、CBC、BS-iでも放送予定。オープニング曲は『メグメル -cockool mix 2007-』、エンディング曲は『だんご大家族』、岡崎朋也役は中村悠一。公式サイトは、8月13日（月 ）23時より (http://www.tbs.co.jp/clannad/) に変更。
Basically this is the announcement that houkoholic filled us all in earlier.

From this it looks like the opening theme will definitely be a new mix of 'Meg Mell' entitled 'Meg Mell -cockool mix 2007-'. How this will differ from the original 'Meg Mell -cockool mix-' from Disc 3 of the OST, I have no idea. But I liked the original -cockool mix- so it should be good. Ending theme is 'Dango Daikazoku', if my romanisation is correct.

First episode to air on the Thursday 4th October, at 25:55 (Friday 5th October, 1:55am) on TBS; with MBS, CBC and BS-i having broadcast rights as well. Nakamura Yuuichi will be the seiyuu for Okazaki Tomoya. And the official TBS website (http://www.tbs.co.jp/clannad/) will be renewed on Monday, 13th August @ 11pm.

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That's probably the limit of my translation abilities here. So please correct me if I am wrong. I wouldn't trust me on translating the Episode 1 summary. LOL

[dgreater1]

Taken from http://d.hatena.ne.jp/moonphase/20070811#p8

†We start to climb up. The long, long hill road...

First Eps. Subtitle is "Cherry Blossoms Dancing on the Hill," with main character appearing on first eps, Tomoya, Sunohara, Nagisa, Kyou, Ryou, Tomoyo, Yukine, Akio, Sanae, Naoyuki, Unvoiced girl in the World of Illusion, only the rugged doll has a voice. As thought so, the scene where Ushio was running over the field left the most impressive character opening... Kotomi, Fuuko, Yukine, Mei, and the only one I've confirmed from behind is Yuusuke. Though Minoru Shiraishi is in the cast, I wonder if he'll play as that backstabbing classmate of him from first year? I have no complaint with the image quality. Although it's like they're conserving their drawing energy from "Lucky Star," this one doesn't look inferior compared to KyoAni/Key's "AIR" and "Kanon." After seing the first episode, I wondered if my impression of it is the same as the first eps. of "AIR." But my expectation this time is no doubt higher than with "Kanon," the image quality has evolved too. It started with a monochrome view of Tomoya, then as he met Nagisa, they played it with color, though they used it on "Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu" it felt really nice. Nagisa's first word is of course, anpan! Because she has a weak body, she has to repeat another year of school, saying that she's in fact, also a senior onee-san even for Tomoya. Sunohara has a lot of activity as expected, being beaten by the rugby team, made to take revenge against Tomoyo, and being Tomoya's nimble comedian (laughs). Only the battle scene where Tomoyo beat up a group of old fashioned yankees circling around the campus in a bike made it feel like it became a different production. But hightens the Tomoyo combo that you're expecting they'll show afterwards. They also put the spreading gossip about the ghost in the school which is a preparation for Fuuko who hasn't showed up in this episode. Tomoya who's caught by Akio because he made Sanae cry for telling what he truly thinks about her idea bread that has a rice cookie stuffed inside called "Nagomi" which Tomoya ate. I think there doesn't seem like any changes in the conversation in Furukawa's dining room, the tempo is good and might be funnier than Sunohara's comic dialogue. The Eternal and Universe, which is also Tomoya's name joke is there. **朋也が自堕落な生活を送り、渚の家族に特別な感情を抱いた理由は、実家での直幸の状態とそれを見て逃げ 出した朋也の行動で、それとなく察することはできるな。** It became harder for him to go home, so Tomoya came back near Furukawa's bakery, and there he saw the dreamlike figure of Nagisa standing alone in the park.

†May I... May I accompany you? In this town where wishes comes true?

That's how far is the first story. Honestly, hearing "Mag Mell" and "Dango Daikazoku," and just catching a glimpse of Ushio made me feel like crying. Having knowledge of the original and their choice is as always, good, I think, **あとは1本道に再構成されたアニメ版の学園編で** I waant them somehow to explain each character route getting the sphere of light. I wonder if this will be turned into something like a comic too?

There done, forgive me if there are inaccuracy, I hate long and compound sentence :3

Geh... I forgot the spoiler XD

[boggart]

Hahaha... thanks for that translation dgreater1. I wonder if my anticipation of this series is also making my expectations of the art and animation grow. Hopefully it'll hit me the same way as Air and Kanon did back when they were released.

[velocity7]

Thanks DGreater1!

[Kinny Riddle]

I've only remember Nakamura Yuuichi him play Vice, a minor character in Nanoha StrikerS - the chopper pilot that keeps on hitting on Teana. From his CV, he has mostly played bit part roles.

Kyo-Ani seems true to their tradition of casting unknowns into lead roles and propelling their careers. Ono Daisuke wasn't that well known until he played Kunisaki Yukito and Koizumi Itsuki, and of course, there's Hirano Aya. Sugita Tomokazu already had some credentials, but doing Kyon and Aizawa Yuuichi certainly made him even more popular.

All that is left is for Nakamura to repay the faith Kyo-Ani has in him and prove the doubters wrong.

(I reserve the right to change my mind. :D )

There's still the million dollar question: How many episodes is this going to be? 2-cours (24-26) or 3-cours (36-39)?

I would see them doing 2-cours of School Life first (October to April). Then Haruhi2 will come out on April 2008, as most would expect, which would last 1 cour (12-13 episode. Then director Ishihara probably have a break of about six months to do the After Story arc to be aired in Fall 2008 earliest.

Kyo-Ani would probably have some other project in place for Summer 2008 by another director to fill in the gaps.

In brief:
Fall and Winter 2007: CLANNAD (Season 1) - ~24-26eps - Director: Ishihara Tatsuya
Spring 2008: Haruhi 2 - ~12-14 eps - Director: Ishihara Tatsuya
Summer 2008: Something else? - episode unknown - Director: someone else
Fall 2008 or Winter 2008: CLANNAD (Season 2) - ~12-24eps? - Director: Ishihara Tatsuya

[mugener]

There's still the million dollar question: How many episodes is this going to be? 2-cours (24-26) or 3-cours (36-39)?

I would see them doing 2-cours of School Life first (October to April). Then Haruhi2 will come out on April 2008, as most would expect, which would last 1 cour (12-13 episode. Then director Ishihara probably have a break of about six months to do the After Story arc to be aired in Fall 2008 earliest.

Kyo-Ani would probably have some other project in place for Summer 2008 by another director to fill in the gaps.

In brief:
Fall and Winter 2007: CLANNAD (Season 1) - ~24-26eps - Director: Ishihara Tatsuya
Spring 2008: Haruhi 2 - ~12-14 eps - Director: Ishihara Tatsuya
Summer 2008: Something else? - episode unknown - Director: someone else
Fall 2008 or Winter 2008: CLANNAD (Season 2) - ~12-24eps? - Director: Ishihara Tatsuya

accroding to moonphase, clannad is 2-cours, which is splited by haruhi 2 so that
1 cour air on this fall, another cour air on next spring,
and haruhi 2 (1 cour also) air on this winter between them.

[rg4619]

accroding to moonphase, clannad is 2-cours, which is splited by haruhi 2 so that
1 cour air on this fall, another cour air on next spring,
and haruhi 2 (1 cour also) air on this winter between them.

We've got to distinguish fact from rumor, and Moon Phase posts both. Currently, the only comfirmed fact is that Clannad will begin airing on October 4.

[cyth]

We've got to distinguish fact from rumor, and Moon Phase posts both. Currently, the only comfirmed fact is that Clannad will begin airing on October 4.I'd note that whatever MOON PHASE labels as "rumor" is actually high-profile information from the people in the industry. cyan-san labels them as rumors, regardless of the credibility of his sources, because there is no official announcement concerning the information in question. The credibility of his sources may be as high as of any anime/game magazine or official website, but because they're not official... ^^;

[Nightengale]

I've only remember Nakamura Yuuichi him play Vice, a minor character in Nanoha StrikerS - the chopper pilot that keeps on hitting on Teana. From his CV, he has mostly played bit part roles.

Kyo-Ani seems true to their tradition of casting unknowns into lead roles and propelling their careers. Ono Daisuke wasn't that well known until he played Kunisaki Yukito and Koizumi Itsuki, and of course, there's Hirano Aya. Sugita Tomokazu already had some credentials, but doing Kyon and Aizawa Yuuichi certainly made him even more popular.

All that is left is for Nakamura to repay the faith Kyo-Ani has in him and prove the doubters wrong.

(I reserve the right to change my mind. :D )

There is also Seki Tomokazu, though he's clearly a big name to begin with.

Well, Nakamura's also voiced Nanao from Kissdum, but then again I doubt many watched that piece of trainwrecked crap.

Anyway, Nakamura seems to have a tendency to push the "chirp-tone" in his vocals from his throat, resulting in the more consistent ~su voice he's using for Vice now, while his generic voice is more or less or more toned down, less pitched ~tone of that, kinda like how Vice sounds when he's talking to himself instead of others. As far as internal monologues go (( which is important since Tomoya's ~sigh~ monologues that show his state of mind )), Nakamura's never really done too much of a number of those, so I suppose we'll just have to wait.

He hasn't been particularly impressive (( solid, but not yet something to shout volumes of similar to other seiyuus of similar records )) as far as what I've heard of him, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. Kyoto Animation for most part, aside from solid casting of seiyuus are also shown to be quite solid in their sound direction.

[eggplant]

Saw Episode One at the TBS Anime Festa.
Regretfully, I have never played the CLANNAD game, simply due to its sheer length of playing time. Therefore, prior to viewing the TV anime today, my mindset was that of a sponge, willing to absorb anything, although most people living in Japan will get to see the Toei movie version before the KyoAni TV series starts airing.

Before the screening, the duo Euphonius performed Megumeru, the opening song. I attended the Frontier Works event a month ago in which they did the same song for the motion picture. Since the subtitle for the TV version included the words 2007, I suppose the arrangement is different from the movie version.

The five seiyuus that were on hand (Nakahara Mai=Nagisa, Hirohashi Ryou=Kyou, Kanda Akemi=Ryou, Nonaka Ai=Fuuko, Inoue Kikuko=Sanae) answered the MC's questions (he being an avid CLANNAD gamer himself), but since Tomoya's VA was supposed to be a surprise, Nakamura Yuuichi did not appear, despite being present for the Ookiku Furikabutte stage.

When it comes to glossy artwork, there is no match for KyoAni. The texture of the strands of hair blowing the wind and facial features, the quality they pursued in AIR and Kanon has been perfected with CLANNAD. That's saying how much I can't find fault with the animation.

The encounter at the hill, Nagisa's "anpan", and the subsequent conversation. As with most visual novels, the essential introductory part is flawless. A viewer unfamiliar with the game such as me can immediately recognize that Nagisa has a pet peeve which she (unwittingly) shares with Tomoya.

The opening sequence. CLANNAD has a clean and general opening sequnce without many spoilers, unless you count Ushio frolicking about. Good news sub-watchers, the names of the main protagonists are in Romaji, so easy to learn. They even had a scene where "spectator's view" is specifically written out in English, Moe-tan-like.

Every title needs comic relief. Count on Sunohara Youhei (Sakaguchi Daisuke) to deliver just that. Probably even funnier than Kitagawa from Kanon. Since I'm on this subject, Nagisa's folks just take the cake, especially her dad. If you want someone to rival Akiko-san's jam from Kanon, take Sanae's pastries (e.g., rice cracker bread).

What's a visual novel without courting some romance? Tomoya is the archetypical magnet, attracting the photogenic likes of Nagisa, Kyou, and Tomoyo. The interaction may not be necessarily harmonious, but it does set flags.

And what's an anime title without mystery? The namless girl from the afterlife looks like trap-bait to me.

Oh yes, and the offbeat ending song. I can just hear the cries of 2channelers shouting "read between the lines" everytime Dango Daikazoku blurts out.

Tomoya? Nakamura Yuuichi's roles in Muteki Kanban Musume and Kono Aozora ni Yakusoku wo worked for me (no, I don't watch Ookiku Furikabutte). At least people can discern him from the Nojima Kenji movie version.

No doubt about it. The keystone combination of Key and KyoAni is a cult fest, continuing to solicit (extort) the fan base, both yound and old. And what do you know? They're going to air this on terrestrial TV. Good move on Key to have made the game for all ages. Now the general public will be targeted, all complete with 4:3 pan-scan broadcast (does that ring a bell, TBS?).

One thing's for sure, there's going to be load full of anpan and dango jokes.

[Leo_Otaku]

Oh wow that is so great! Somthing to look forward too in the autum ^-^ YAY.

Yeah it deserves more than 24 episodes. It just won't work out too well if it is just 24. I'm glad to hear the animation is really a work of art and the music is good, I can not wait to see it too ^-^.

Kinda wonder why they changed the voice choice again...but doesn'rt matter since you never heard him talking in the game....

[Mentar]

Aww MAAAAN :( ... I so hoped that this wouldn't happen

>_<

Not because I want Haruhi earlier, but boy, will THAT screw up our scheduling. Damn damn damn.

Sleep is for the weak ;_;

[cyth]

Not because I want Haruhi earlier, but boy, will THAT screw up our scheduling. Damn damn damn.Don't worry, there will be others subbing this series. *pat pats*

[rg4619]

I'd note that whatever MOON PHASE labels as "rumor" is actually high-profile information from the people in the industry. cyan-san labels them as rumors, regardless of the credibility of his sources, because there is no official announcement concerning the information in question. The credibility of his sources may be as high as of any anime/game magazine or official website, but because they're not official... ^^;

That may be true, but it doesn't change the fact that information can change or turn out false. It's also possible for a mostly reliable rumor mill to fabricate stories to cover up a previous mistake (and who can argue? They just have to pass it off as a plan that suddenly changed) since there's such a strong element of ego and prestige. Having followed video game news/rumors for ten years, plenty of popular insiders have been called out on that.

With Haruhi/Clannad, we've seen three different schedule reports (Haruhi pushed ahead to Fall 2007, Clannad delayed in favor of Haruhi via a secret KyoAni document from March, intertwined airing of the two series) over the past year. Each time, people have propagated these rumors as official info rather than unconfirmed rumblings.

In that sense, you've got to take rumors with a grain of salt, regardless of where they originate from.

[cyth]

In that sense, you've got to take rumors with a grain of salt, regardless of where they originate from.Oh, indeed. I'm running a news blog myself (sort of), and I know better to pass on rumors as... rumors, even though they may come from a reliable source. Similar inaccuracies in other English news sources are my motivators for now. AnimeNewsService and sometimes even AnimeNewsNetwork like to convey rumored announcements as truth, a practice I deeply despise.

[DragoonKain3]

Moonphase was wrong already at one time, when they said it was going to be Haruhi 2 this year (fall was it? I don't remember exactly when). While they have been on the spot in most occasions and as such has a good track record, they've also been wrong. So while I would take their word as being the most probable, I'd still take it with a box full of salt.

[cyth]

Moonphase was wrong already at one time, when they said it was going to be Haruhi 2 this year (fall was it? I don't remember exactly when).Actually, no. I can quote that report. They made only one entry prior to the report of the official announcement from NewType's August issue. They appropriately labeled it as [rumor] and they didn't mention any specific timeframe. However, they did add a postscript later on where they did mention either autumn 2007 or winter.

[Kaioshin Sama]

With Haruhi/Clannad, we've seen three different schedule reports (Haruhi pushed ahead to Fall 2007, Clannad delayed in favor of Haruhi via a secret KyoAni document from March, intertwined airing of the two series) over the past year. Each time, people have propagated these rumors as official info rather than unconfirmed rumblings.

In that sense, you've got to take rumors with a grain of salt, regardless of where they originate from.

I just don't believe what anybody says anymore until I see it with my own eyes with all the official information on it. I mean when Haruhi Season II was announced like 3 times prior to this one I stopped buying any info anybody said about the franchise. Then there was Gundam Seed Eternity, Mai Hime Destiny and......yeah when there's a specific cause behind a rumour it should be even harder to believe.

Perhaps my all time favourite was when some forum had Prism Ark attributed to Kyoani and so many people seemed to buy it and then it was disproven and everybody got all pouty (Even though it was still coming out). Well, that's why you shouldn't believe rumours.

[boggart]

I will also be taking news as it comes. But to rumours, I won't be believing any of it.

The only reason I saw Haruhi's "announcement" as being on the 070707 was because of the Tanabata Festival which just coincided with events in that promotional video. So far there has been no other promotion regarding that series, and I wouldn't expect it either until after Clannad has completed its run.

This again is my 2 cents worth, so it's probably as reliable as wikipedia... XD

But yeah, back to the topic at hand, which is Clannad. We can speculate all we want about how long the series will be, but in the end, it's still going to be a KyoAni masterpiece, judging from the praise of Episode 1 so far.

Just sit back, be patient and wait for the next morsals of information.

[Kaioshin Sama]

I will also be taking news as it comes. But to rumours, I won't be believing any of it.

The only reason I saw Haruhi's "announcement" as being on the 070707 was because of the Tanabata Festival which just coincided with events in that promotional video. So far there has been no other promotion regarding that series, and I wouldn't expect it either until after Clannad has completed its run.

This again is my 2 cents worth, so it's probably as reliable as wikipedia... XD

But yeah, back to the topic at hand, which is Clannad. We can speculate all we want about how long the series will be, but in the end, it's still going to be a KyoAni masterpiece, judging from the praise of Episode 1 so far.

Just sit back, be patient and wait for the next morsals of information.

Well I had a different example in mind (A Code Geass one), but here's one people are likely to be more accepting of:

Like with the people who thought Haruhi wasn't going to turn into the phenomenon, one episode is definitely too early to start calling something a masterpiece or an outright failure, the two opposite extremes. Also, keep in mind that there's always a massive amount of praise for everything they do. Anytime I hear something about the latest episode of Lucky Star being spectactular for whatever reason, I'm always very skeptical until I see it for myself for the very reason that I'm only getting one very hyped up interpretation of each episode as it airs. As such this is definitely one of those things I take with a grain of salt, like I do when a Movie Trailer is telling me what select critics say about the film. I don't know about others philosophy, but mine. has always been "Make No Extreme Assumptions".

[dgreater1]

Don't worry, people that are usually into VN are not into hyped shows. And they also don't exaggerate. If they think it is something good, they will praise it because it really is good (although, I can't say that everyone is like that). But don't forget that they still (or might) prefer VN adaptation :heh:

Anyway, I just remembered something about Moon Phase's first episode review... Did he say Nagisa's first word was anpan? What happened to Kono gakkou wa suki desu ka? or did they change the Un... Un... part and changed it to anpan... anpan... or did they do something different in their first meeting? :heh: :heh: :heh: :heh:

[rg4619]

There's plenty of room for them to screw up along the way, especially if Clannad is as difficult to adapt as people suggest. The first episode might be good, but there's no guarantee that the series won't go down in flames as it progresses.

I'd expect production quality to remain top notch, though (and to emphasize, fantastic production quality doesn't necessarily equate to a masterpiece or even a good show). We can probably count on that much, unless something goes horribly wrong.

Don't worry, people that are usually into VN are not into hyped shows. And they also don't exaggerate. If they think it is something good, they will praise it because it really is good (although, I can't say that everyone is like that).

Logically speaking, I doubt the VN fandom is any more immune to hype than anyone else.

[amoirsp]

It's usually not the first episode that would generate the problem. Though, it is still important that it flows well so that it sets the initial tone correctly.

Quite frankly, since the absolute beginning isn't really adjusted (and because it's an adaptation, of course something may be adjusted with ease), it was also never the difficulty that Kyoani would run into. In fact, the beginning should be the less difficult part to adapt because you don't have as many cohesion issues.

The possible issues weren't really concentrated in the beginning since those are mostly introductory.

The art likely will not be any issue whatsoever. It is always the issue of momentum or character usage balance. Previous two works had that issue, and Clannad, you have even more characters and a longer story, which could lead to more potential problems.
(This is much different than Haruhi since the chronology of that does not include alternate paths of the same duration, despite time travel. Naturally, any VN or ADV would have this issue no matter how it is approached.)

My expectations are not really high. If I do not think about it much, it will be more interesting to set the mood to watch it. I wouldn't ever say masterpiece, but I would hope it would flow with proper continuity. Unfortunately, this time around I have a better idea of the content of the game, as opposed to previously, making it even easier to be disappointed in an aspect of the anime.

I am satisfied that it seems that Clannad would be in the Fall. The emphasis portraying its upcoming seemed right. I liked the story, and hope that the anime's plus won't just be in its concentrated art. At least it seems like so far some weaknesses from previous works would balanced off, so there's some sense of improvement.

[Skane]

1-cour: CLANNAD fans commit ritual suicide. Haruhi fans chuckle and rub their hands in glee. FMP! fans cry in some dark forsaken corner.
.
2-cour: CLANNAD fans grit their teeth and sigh. Haruhi fans grit their teeth and wait impatiently. FMP! fans cry in some dark forsaken corner.
.
3-cour: CLANNAD fans erupt in joyous rapture. Haruhi fans start mass trolling the CLANNAD forums. FMP! fans cry in some dark forsaken corner.
.
4-cour: CLANNAD fans start pledging their first-born to KyoAni. Haruhi fans commit ritual suicide. FMP! fans cry some dark forsaken corner.

Munto fans? Munto fans wait for Hell to freeze over.



Cheers. :p

[DragoonKain3]

^
So you're saying I'm screwed royally anyway? Because I'm a Clannad, Haruhi, FMP, and Munto fan, lol.

[Kristen]

1-cour: CLANNAD fans commit ritual suicide. Haruhi fans chuckle and rub their hands in glee. FMP! fans cry in some dark forsaken corner.
.
2-cour: CLANNAD fans grit their teeth and sigh. Haruhi fans grit their teeth and wait impatiently. FMP! fans cry in some dark forsaken corner.
.
3-cour: CLANNAD fans erupt in joyous rapture. Haruhi fans start mass trolling the CLANNAD forums. FMP! fans cry in some dark forsaken corner.
.
4-cour: CLANNAD fans start pledging their first-born to KyoAni. Haruhi fans commit ritual suicide. FMP! fans cry some dark forsaken corner.

Munto fans? Munto fans wait for Hell to freeze over.



Cheers. :p

Or of course they could make it 5-cour, in which case Haruhiists will march up to Kyoto animation and start a massacre.

I hope it's 3 cour. Haruhi can wait, they've already had a series. Besides, there are always the light novels to read.

[velocity7]

Confirmed at:
http://www.tbs.co.jp/clannad/

As announced and reported by MOON PHASE as well as houkoholic, CLANNAD is to air October 4, 2007, 25:55. Stations are MBS, CBC, and BS-i, as MOON PHASE reported.

New confirmed seiyuu:

Sagara Misae: Yukino Satsuki
Miyazawa Yukine: Enomoto Atsuko
Furukawa Sanae: Inoue Kikuko

[mugener]

[list]
1-cour: CLANNAD fans commit ritual suicide. Haruhi fans chuckle and rub their hands in glee. FMP! fans cry in some dark forsaken corner.



what's the different between 1 cour <splited> 1 cour and 2-cours?

since you'll see them all eventually, does it matter that clannad is splited by haruhi?

[Kristen]

Confirmed at:
http://www.tbs.co.jp/clannad/

As announced and reported by MOON PHASE as well as houkoholic, CLANNAD is to air October 4, 2007, 25:55. Stations are MBS, CBC, and BS-i, as MOON PHASE reported.

New confirmed seiyuu:

When they say 25:55, do they mean 1:55 in the morning of the 4th, or of the 5th?

[relentlessflame]

what's the different between 1 cour <splited> 1 cour and 2-cours?

since you'll see them all eventually, does it matter that clannad is splited by haruhi?Well, sure it does -- it breaks the flow of the story, splits up the DVDs into two seperate runs, and throws the production teams for a bit of a loop as they have to "switch modes" (even if they had largely separate teams working on both productions). It'd be one thing for a comedy, or something clearly designed to be told in multiple parts, but I highly doubt this will be that sort of adaptation. Momentum is very important in a story, I think.

(Not to mention, Haruhi airing in the Winter makes no sense, because Kadokawa won't want to solicit Haruhi DVDs until Lucky Star's DVD run is complete in May, meaning Haruhi won't air 'till April at the earliest. It also makes no sense for Kyoto Animation to pre-empt/interrupt a production they already committed to a long time ago (probably before the original Haruhi season aired). All in all, the "split airing" rumour is just as bad as the "delayed to Fall 2008" rumour/speculation from a few weeks ago. Unless Kyoto Animation has expanded enough to see two productions released at once, Clannad will take the Fall and Winter slots, with Haruhi to follow in the spring. At least, I think that's the most reasonable speculation one can make.)

And yeah, ChrissieXD, it means 1:55am on October 5th.

[hadora]

Here's the ending of Clannad ,Dango DaiKazoku, recorded during the TBS anime Festa
http://rapidshare.com/files/48712831/__12384___12435___12372___22823___23478___26063_.m p3.html
I'm not a regular poster but I thought some people here would be interested.

[Sushi-Y]

Here's the ending of Clannad ,Dango DaiKazoku, recorded during the TBS anime Festa
http://rapidshare.com/files/48712831/__12384___12435___12372___22823___23478___26063_.m p3.html
I'm not a regular poster but I thought some people here would be interested.
Thanks for the link. The song was just like how I pictured it from the game. Dango~ Dango~

...why are my eyes watery? :(

[velocity7]

Because it's Dango Daikazoku, that's why. ;)

[OceanBlue]

Velocity, I posted your information about when Clannad will air in another forum [I quoted you, and even provided the original quote]. I hope you don't mind.

Edit: I should have asked for permission first. Sorry.

[velocity7]

That's cool. :)

[NaweG]

FMP! fans cry some dark forsaken corner.


ROTFL!!!

Still it does bring up the question, is it time to start looking for another studio to do the next installment?

[Leo_Otaku]

Aww the ending is so adorable! I really love it ^-^ I wonder if they would use the other ED's for different character endings like other people have said they might. It would make it reall interesting if so. They should have donw somthing like that for Kanon XD

The also added Kotomi to the main page picture now ...

[boggart]

LOL... I just listened to the ending... at first it sounded a bit plain with Nagisa's theme but then when the chorus joins in it was really uplifting... ^^

[Mirificus]

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/1982/1186604018114tk1.th.jpg (http://img404.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1186604018114tk1.jpg)

Here we go. Enjoy the low quality.
http://xs218.xs.to/xs218/07332/138684.jpg.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs218&d=07332&f=138684.jpg)
5845x3675. 2.3 MB

[boggart]

夏のコミックマーケット７2、TBSアニメーションブースにてPV上映&クリアファイル配布決定！ 8月17～19日に東京ビッグサイトにて開催される夏のコミックマーケット７2、 ＴＢＳアニメーションブース（西地区4階 ブースNo,273）にて「CLANNAD」PVを上映致します。 また、この夏のコミックマーケット72限定のクリアファイルを配布致します！ 数量限定ですので是非是非ＴＢＳブースまでお越し下さい！

※内容に関して変更や中止となる場合があります。
※コミックマーケットでは徹夜は禁止されています。
始発からのご来場をお願いします。
It looks like there's a new date to be anxious about now... August 17-19. It mentions in that paragraph that TBS will have a booth at the Comiket72 event on those dates, premiering what's labelled as a 「CLANNAD」PV.

Now the question is... Is this the prelude footage we've been waiting for? Or is it just a longer trailer? Regardless of what it is, I'll be looking forward to it! :D

[Klashikari]

TBS PV shown for C72 is available on Nico
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm860734

Can't say it is a prelude, more like a much more stuffed trailer.
Kyou is very interesting :love:

[velocity7]

Very nice.

Is Tomoya going to be more aware of the Illusionary World compared to the game? Looks so...

[cyth]

Thanks for the PV link, Klashikari. For those not having a Nico account (although I strongly suggest you get it ASAP), here's the reencoded version on YouTube:
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[velocity7]

TBS airing on October 4 got pushed 30 minutes late, now airing 26:25:
http://www.tbs.co.jp/clannad/01news/news.html#onair

[boggart]

Wow... that looked amazing... and it was a crappy camera version too!

[Nightengale]

Very nice indeed.

Although I found the hair glossiness to be more stackfully apparent (( in a not so great way )), but then again, it's most likely due to the light reflection and the brighter lightings. I'm sure it'll look great once the colors are toned better in HQ.

[velocity7]

Is it just me, or is this not really the ~cockool mix 2007~ that we've heard of, but rather the frequency remix from the CLANNAD movie?

[Leo_Otaku]

wow that was really amazing it looked so good!!! Can't wait to see Sunohara getting his ass kicked alot since they combined all the routes XD

Maybe they are saving the new OP for the prelude/ invitation thing...

Everyone looks so amazing animated!

[boggart]

I like this Sunohara better than the one from the movie clips... I dunno... I guess I don't like that weird expression has always has in the Toei one...

[Mai Kawasumi]

Thanks for the PV link, Klashikari. For those not having a Nico account (although I strongly suggest you get it ASAP), here's the reencoded version on YouTube:
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OMG Kyou! :heehee: She's my fave! Tomoyo is second

I can't wait! :upset:

[velocity7]

Cleaner audio versions:

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Most certainly the cockool mix 2007 after all; which means the frequency mix was incorporated in some way?

Also a cleaner audio version of Dango Daikazoku:

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[FireChick]

I don't know if anyone knows this but Kotomi has shown up on TBS's Clannad homepage.

http://www.tbs.co.jp/clannad/

[boggart]

After watching the clip closer, I have to say I am once again impressed at the detail of the scenery and background art. Kyo is looking like she'll be a pleasure to watch... :)

[Leo_Otaku]

In the or\ther versions I can hear how different it is the remix...the vocals seem louder and more clear, i like thismix ^-^ very nice.

I can't wait to see Botan as well ^-^ People seem to think it is Button... but I don't know which is which I found this >

During the Edo period, people started eating the meat of wild boar and called it "botan (peony)". The meat of deer was called "momiji (maple leaf)" and that of the horses was "sakura (cherry blossoms)." In this way the pious Buddhists could pretend to eat as vegetarians....

source: http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa010307a.htm

So wonder if it is Botan as in Button, Flower or...pork lol.

Would make sense with the Botan-Nabe as in the Kyou After Scene the boar is Nabe... Would make sense with Kappei XD when he wants to eat him

[dgreater1]

Judging by their conversation... I can safely say that it's Botan (as in food) and not Button :3

Thanks for pointing that out and giving some info :p

Oh wait! I could also be wrong and Kyou really named him Button and the two might just be making "pun" with the name (ボタン) Button :3

And so my idea divided... in Kyou's perspective... Botan's name can be Button... then, Tomoya made a pun about it using (ぼたん or 牡丹) botan, which could also mean, wild boar meat.

But Kyou could also say it as Botan, as in peony... a name of a flower... and since Kyou knows that wild boar piglets looks like peony when they're little, it could also mean that she name her as Botan... anyway... I guess, only the creator can answer this question, since I talked about this with a native Japanese and he said that "maybe" it means peony XD

[boggart]

While we're on the subject of names... is Kyo the official game romanisation of 杏? I haven't seen the OP sequence for so long I can't remember. It seems NewType etc are using Kyo as the romanisation... O_o

http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/9552/kyoir9.th.jpg (http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kyoir9.jpg)

[velocity7]

I don't think there's so much an official romanization used for purely Japanese names, but rather the style in which you romanize (except if it's Western names).

Having said that, the game opening uses "Kyou".

[Kristen]

I have a question. I am extremely excited for Clannad, and I am hoping for 3 cours if not 4. However, I realize that I am basing this off of the other Key games produced by Kyoto, not anything to do with the story.
Is this story close in feel and story to Kanon, per chance? Or is it something else? What should I expect?

[Orrin]

I have a question. I am extremely excited for Clannad, and I am hoping for 3 cours if not 4. However, I realize that I am basing this off of the other Key games produced by Kyoto, not anything to do with the story.
Is this story close in feel and story to Kanon, per chance? Or is it something else? What should I expect?
Well not so much like Kanon, it has more resemblance of the other games that Jun Maeda was in charge of (One or Air). But the story has a more "grand" or "epic" feeling to it in a Key kind of way while on the other hand it's probably easier for people to identify themselfs with. It also focuses a lot more on the main character, it's not really the girls that has the biggest role to play here.

Hopefully that doesn't make much sense at all (I don't want to spoil anything), but that's at least how it felt to me.

[Kristen]

Well not so much like Kanon, it has more resemblance of the other games that Jun Maeda was in charge of (One or Air). But the story has a more "grand" or "epic" feeling to it in a Key kind of way while on the other hand it's probably easier for people to identify themselfs with.

Hopefully that doesn't make much sense at all (I don't want to spoil anything), but that's at least how it felt to me.

That was the kind of impression I was getting, epic. It isn't like Air, though, is it? I was very disappointed with the Kyoto adaptation. It made sence to episode 7, and then it went back in time randomly, and then the main charecter just randomly disappeared? It made no sense. Like, will I be moved by this story? Like, is it a touching story, a depressing one, a happy one, or what?

[Orrin]

To be a bit clearer, it's more down to earth then the previous Key games but at the same time it's also has a more epic feeling. It's hard to explain since it has more resemblance to the feeling that Air (the game) had than Kanon but the Air anime was butchered pretty bad by Kyoani so I understand if it didn't make much sense. It's more like One then Kanon or Air though but let's just say that it's kind of unique.

And before I get butchered by other Key fans I would like to point out once again that this is how it felt for me, it doesn't necessarily have to be the same for everyone.

[DragoonKain3]

OMG Kyou! :heehee: She's my fave! Tomoyo is second

I can't wait! :upset:
Hurrah, another Kyou fan with Tomoyo being second!

And the PV is making me want Clannad even more. October can't get here fast enough!

<goes to watch the two game ops by NNL again>

[arkon]

1-cour: CLANNAD fans commit ritual suicide. Haruhi fans chuckle and rub their hands in glee. FMP! fans cry in some dark forsaken corner.
.
2-cour: CLANNAD fans grit their teeth and sigh. Haruhi fans grit their teeth and wait impatiently. FMP! fans cry in some dark forsaken corner.
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3-cour: CLANNAD fans erupt in joyous rapture. Haruhi fans start mass trolling the CLANNAD forums. FMP! fans cry in some dark forsaken corner.
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4-cour: CLANNAD fans start pledging their first-born to KyoAni. Haruhi fans commit ritual suicide. FMP! fans cry some dark forsaken corner.

Munto fans? Munto fans wait for Hell to freeze over.



Cheers. :p

It's funny because it's true.

*goes to cry in a dark corner* :(

[Westlo]

Hahah that was great Skane.

[Kristen]

To be a bit clearer, it's more down to earth then the previous Key games but at the same time it's also has a more epic feeling. It's hard to explain since it has more resemblance to the feeling that Air (the game) had than Kanon but the Air anime was butchered pretty bad by Kyoani so I understand if it didn't make much sense. It's more like One then Kanon or Air though but let's just say that it's kind of unique.

And before I get butchered by other Key fans I would like to point out once again that this is how it felt for me, it doesn't necessarily have to be the same for everyone.

Would you by chance be willing to put the One storyline in a spoiler for me, or send it to me via PM? I watched the OVA (4 episodes), and I had no idea of what was going on. Does it actually have a story?