Clannad TV (general discussion)

[Maceart]

Not sure if this is the right forum to put this in, but apparently...

http://www.bs-i.co.jp/clannad/

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CLANNAD TV! Woohoo!

By Kyoto Animation too.

[Kensuke]

Kyoto Animation
And may the hype begin! ;)

But I wonder, are they going to jump directly to this after they finish Lucky☆Star? No second season of Haruhi...


Edit: Some staff and Cast posted by eggplant:
Animation company: Kyoto Animation
Director: Ishihara Tatsuya
Series Composition/ Script: Shimo Fumihiko
Character Concept: Hinoue Itaru

Cast:
Furukawa Nagisa: Nakahara Mai
Fujibayashi Kyou: Hirohashi Ryou
Fujibayashi Ryou: Kanda Akemi
Sakagami Tomoyo: Kuwashima Houko
Ibuki Fuuko: Nonaka Ai
Ichinose Kotomi: Noto Mamiko

[Dagger]

I actually think it might be better for them to wait on Haruhi. Ride the crest of anticipation created by Kanon 06, and let the Haruhi novels get further and further along in the meantime.

[blitz1/2]

Wow, a Clannad movie and now TV?!

[eggplant]

You Tube version of trailer (subject to removal):

eODN-vvEf0o

[panzerfan]

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/7540/clannadtk7.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)

The 20th. I can't wait.

[Dagger]

Wait... seriously!? Does that mean they're going to run Clannad and Lucky Star concurrently?

[Kensuke]

Wait... seriously!? Does that mean they're going to run Clannad and Lucky Star concurrently?
No. March 20th means that there will be more information on the website that day.

[herbert]

Edit: useless things should be deleted.

[DanielSong39]

Great news! Call it a hunch, but... I have the feeling that this will be KyoAni's best effort ever. The source material is very strong - and I'm looking forward to seeing it animated.

Nagisa is a particularly compelling character, and I'd really love to see KyoAni try the single path approach on this one.

[Radiosity]

Sweet, my worst fears have been put to rest :heh: I'll probably simply ignore the movie completely and go into the series fresh whenever it starts. Cannot wait for this :D

[Fukiri]

Cool! I was already happy for seeing a movie now a entire series!? Sugoi da zo! And with Nakahara Mai, Kuwashima Houko and Noto Mamiko as seiyuu of one of the characters make me even happier! Go KyoAni!

[DanielSong39]

Assuming the show will be released in Spring 2008...

We could be in for quite a battle between D.C. II (ZEXCS?) and Clannad (Kyoto Animation). As for me... why fight, when you can enjoy both?

[Radiosity]

DCII As well eh? Sweet :)

Oh and Fukiri - care to enlighten me as to who my beloved Noto-chan is playing? I can't get enough of her voice, need to know which character she plays so I can start salivating... uh, appreciating her ;)

[Sushi-Y]

...
I see accurate designs for every character (no Mei!?)
I see Kotomi's violin
I see the illusionary world
I see Button :heh:
I see Sanae-san's classic act (ktkr~)
I see Kyou's murder dictionary
I see twitching Sunohara ←important
I see Fuuko Master training
I see Tomoyo's combo kick... but that was unexpected, overkill :heh:
Akio-san~ :love:

This will be a hit, a big one.

care to enlighten me as to who my beloved Noto-chan is playing?
Noto Mamiko is playing Ichinose Kotomi, the one holding the violin in the beginning of trailer.
To be honest, I didn't think her voice matched the character at first. But once I became familiar with Kotomi's character, I think her voice was a perfect fit.
On the other hand, the voice of every other character was a perfect fit right from the beginning.

[DanielSong39]

Pure speculation on my part when it comes to D.C. II.

[velocity7]

Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God Oh My God

[Skane]

I see Tomoyo is using their patented Lambda Driver effects. :heh: I am aware of some of CLANNAD's story elements, but for the most part, I am going to be a newbie to this. :D I am looking forward to be surprised in this series.

Cheers.

[prince leon]

Oh god, I think I've already had multiple heart murmurs since first seeing the announcement. :D

[Manatsu]

Hmm... Summer of AIR, winter of Kanon and now the stage is set to the spring of Clannad.

That's an interesting way to put it... any bets as to which ONE is next? :heh:

[Kaioshin Sama]

Okay before everybody gets to excited let me mention a couple of things:

A) This means no Haruhi Season 2 in 2007, like everybody assumed would exist (Yes people had that in their heads)
B) Kyoto Animation will no longer have that "One-Series At A Time" praise that everybody showers open them if A) is false.
C) Don't expect for a minute for Kyoto Animation to keep that awesome respectable cast of Satsuki Yukino, Mamikio Noto, Hikaru Midorikawa, Yuko Minaguchi, Satomi Kooroogi, Ryo Hirohashi, Ryotaro Okiayu and Kentaro Ito to name but a few.
D) Expect the best of the people listed above to be replaced by any combination of Kyoto Animation's darlings including Sugita Tomokazu, Chihara Minori, Yuko Goto, Daisuke Ono, Aya Hirano and any Sugar Pop idol looking to make the transition to Seiyuu and willing to work cheap.

Other than that one can assume it will be better than the Movie version based on the fact they actually have time to do stuff.

[Daniel E.]

And may the hype begin! ;)

But I wonder, are they going to jump directly to this after they finish Lucky☆Star? No second season of Haruhi...

Let's just hope Haruhiist dont start hating this show or anything similar. >_< !!

[Zappster]

Okay before everybody gets to excited let me mention a couple of things:

A) This means no Haruhi Season 2 in 2007, like everybody assumed would exist (Yes people had that in their heads)
B) Kyoto Animation will no longer have that "One-Series At A Time" praise that everybody showers open them if A) is false.
C) Don't expect for a minute for Kyoto Animation to keep that awesome respectable cast of Satsuki Yukino, Mamikio Noto, Hikaru Midorikawa, Yuko Minaguchi, Satomi Kooroogi, Ryo Hirohashi, Ryotaro Okiayu and Kentaro Ito to name but a few.
D) Expect the best of the people listed above to be replaced by any combination of Kyoto Animation's darlings including Sugita Tomokazu, Chihara Minori, Yuko Goto, Daisuke Ono, Aya Hirano and any Sugar Pop idol looking to make the transition to Seiyuu and willing to work cheap.

Other than that one can assume it will be better than the Movie version based on the fact they actually have time to do stuff.

I was under the impression that that was the announced cast for the show (of course it could still be subject to change).

[Sushi-Y]

A) This means no Haruhi Season 2 in 2007, like everybody assumed would exist (Yes people had that in their heads)
I don't think Kyoani is capable of taking two projects at a time anyway. Not with titles of this calibur. Just take a look at the genga staff for every Kyoani episode and it'll be clear.

C) Don't expect for a minute for Kyoto Animation to keep that awesome respectable cast of Satsuki Yukino, Mamikio Noto, Hikaru Midorikawa, Yuko Minaguchi, Satomi Kooroogi, Ryo Hirohashi, Ryotaro Okiayu and Kentaro Ito to name but a few.
Well, if the official site (http://www.bs-i.co.jp/clannad/) isn't lying to us in the face, I'd say we're safe for the main heroines at least.

The only other ones I'm particularly concerned about is Sakaguchi Daisuke for Sunohara, Okiayu Ryoutarou for Akio-san, and Inoue Kikuko for Sanae-san.
Then again, they didn't really mess around with Kanon's cast either anyway. I think Lucky Star's cast change was more of an exception.

[Klashikari]

Ok, before you are again going into a flame bait silly war :
A) it is people fault to expect such sequel, when nothing was announced (this is BS, considering FMP sequel was done after 2 years, and trust me, people were also hoping for this, while nothing was announced)
but at any case, 2 project of such importance woudln't be able to do so.
B) what the hell this point matter here? there isn't anything special if a studio keep 1 project at a time. instead, a studio which can manage to suceed in several projects at once would be a good praise. (but as stated by several memebers, it won't be possible anyway)
C) what would be the point to take the same seyuu over and over if they don't match, or aren't interested?
i don't know the schedule or anything but, seriously, this is really irevelant. (and "keeping" certain seyuu is quite amusing to read : when are the seyuu bound indefinitavely to a certain studio?)
D) *sigh* as long as the seyuu rock and give the expected voices, what IS the problem?

in the end, wait for the result -__-"

[Sheba]

Let's just hope Haruhiist dont start hating this show or anything similar. >_< !!

I don't really care and I consider myself as a Haruhist. All I want for KyoAni is to still do a good job for whatever the project they are doing. I want them to keep on pouring that "anime love" that can be felt through the series they made.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Ok, before you are again going into a flame bait silly war :
A) it is people fault to expect such sequel, when nothing was announced (this is BS, considering FMP sequel was done 2 years, and trust me, people were also hoping for this, while nothing was announced)
but at any case, 2 project of such importance woudln't be able to do so.
B) what the hell this point matter here? there isn't anything special if a studio keep 1 project at a time. instead, a studio which can manage to suceed in several projects at once would be a good praise.
C) what would be the point to take the same seyuu over and over if they don't match, or aren't interested?
i don't know the schedule or anything but, seriously, this is really irevelant.
D) *sigh* as long as the seyuu rock and give the expected voices, what IS the problem?

in the end, wait for the result -__-"

Alright, allow me to clear up a few misconceptions. A) and B) rely soley on other peoples unreasonable expectations that I hope will be quelled once and for all, these are good points, I have always disagreed with A) and B), but other people kept trumpeting them for some reason. C) is based on the companies choices with Lucky Star and D) Is what happened with Lucky Star, together they show an emerging trend, of course I could be completely of the mark. Everything is of course open ended with C) and D) right now, but from what I've seen they are quite possible. Then again whatever happens happens as you say. As it turns out somebody said above that the major players are still intact. This is quite a relief for a person who respects Seiyuu continuity between mediums. The trailer also makes the show look far more interesting than Kanon or Air. The music could be better, but I mean considering what this is, its not that bad either. It could easily have been Shuffle! music where a guy who can barely use a synthesizer does the music.

[houkoholic]

I don't think Kyoani is capable of taking two projects at a time anyway. Not with titles of this calibur. Just take a look at the genga staff for every Kyoani episode and it'll be clear.

Yet no one here knows exactly what Kyoani's schedule is. It's just all assumptions.


The only other ones I'm particularly concerned about is Sakaguchi Daisuke for Sunohara, Okiayu Ryoutarou for Akio-san, and Inoue Kikuko for Sanae-san.
Then again, they didn't really mess around with Kanon's cast either anyway. I think Lucky Star's cast change was more of an exception.

Sugita's substitution for Yuuichi is just a dead horse, he has proven without a doubt that he was the right choice and not because he is Kyon.

Lucky Star's a different beast, drama CD to anime cast change is the norm. Keeping a cast from the drama CD to anime is actually extremely rare. The whole Hirano Aya deal I would also say is probably outside of Kyoani's control as well considering how anime consortiums works as the production studio usually has the least say in these things since they're usually just a sub-contractor.

Clannad cast change? They kept everyone from AIR and Kanon, so I highly doubt that they would change it. The most I can see is them changing the seiyuu for Tomoya, other than that I really don't think so.

[Daniel E.]

I don't really care and I consider myself as a Haruhist. All I want for KyoAni is to still do a good job for whatever the project they are doing. I want them to keep on pouring that "anime love" that can be felt through the series they made.

I dont mind either, and I am also a big fan of Haruhi. :)

[Kaioshin Sama]

Anyone mind telling me who's confirmed to be in so far? I can't translate Name Kanji without the ability to pull text from a website.

[Sushi-Y]

I wonder how many pages this thread will have by the time I get home from work. ^^;

Note that for both AIR and Kanon, Kyoani kept most, if not all the original cast from the game. I don't think they're going to jeopardize their reputation by messing with the Kagikkos now.

As for A and B, cyan-san's (MOON PHASE) speculation based on the info he's been receiving is that Haruhi second season will run from Fall of 2007, while CLANNAD will begin in early 2008.

Anyone mind telling me who's confirmed to be in so far? I can't translate Name Kanji without the ability to pull text from a website.
See post 2
(http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=863502&postcount=2)

[Skane]

There will always be detractors... in all sorts of shapes and sizes. There was plenty of snide remarks when Kanon first aired as well, and look how many of them either converted or ate their words. :p It is practically part and parcel of anime-watching already.

If people want to pour scorn on CLANNAD, let them be. I just want to watch it. :D

Cheers.

[Kaioshin Sama]

I wonder how many pages this thread will have by the time I get home from work. ^^;

It's not a trend if it's only 1 anime. Note that for both AIR and Kanon, Kyoani kept most, if not all the original cast from the game. I don't think they're going to jeopardize their reputation by messing with the Kagikkos now.

As for A and B, cyan-san's speculation based on the info he's been receiving is that Haruhi second season will run from Fall of 2007, while CLANNAD will begin in early 2008.

Who is Cyan-San.

I actually found the cast list of who is still in:

Mai Nakahara as Nagisa Furukawa
Ai Nonaka as Fuuko Ibuki
Akemi Kanda as Ryou Fujibayashi
Houko Kuwashima as Tomoyo Sakagami
Mamiko Noto as Kotomi Ichinose (Sweet)
Ryou Hirohashi as Kyou Fujibayashi

Very good start since at the base level they can be expected to do a faithful adapatation, we are now building something here. I just pray that Yuko Minaguchi and Satomi Koorogi will still be around. The hero is still up in the air. Considering he seems to look quite a bit like Yuuchi (then again at least 3 Key characters look similiar to a past character in each of their games for me. I already see a Nayuki and Mai look alike and two characters that vaguely resemble Shiori and Ayu in the promo art for Clannad on Wikipedia) so I'm guessing he's going to Sugita Tomakazu. All in all this may not be my cup of tea for a show, but I can respect when things are looking good from the beginning. I also respect Kanon for its tightly woven plot and characters even though its not my type of series, though this also also supplemented by the fact that it was the first Key game, before they started repeating themselves. It depends on how different Clannad is from the other Key games, whether I can look at it with a casual nod of respect, or a sigh of discontent in the end.

[FatPianoBoy]

Well, everyone seems to have all the 'ZOMG Teh YEY!!!1' out of the way for me, so...

Anyone else wondering if Toei is beginning to consider KyoAni as the bane of their existence? I mean, this is the third time time they've grabbed the same projects, and the previous two times did so much better as to practically replace Toei's work (arguably). Seriously, if I worked at Toei, I'd have these guys blacklisted :heh:

KyoAni was probably grinning like a chesire cat while Kanon was still fresh and everyone was all "They should do CLANNAD next!"
I'm not sure if Tomokazu would be a match for Tomoya. Doesn't seem bitter enough.
Well, I do believe that my day has been made.

[Shinova]

Kyoto Animation must clearly be stopped before they take over the world!


I've wanted to get into Clannad, but couldn't, and now this presents a great opportunity. I will be eating this up.:)

[houkoholic]

Note that for both AIR and Kanon, Kyoani kept most, if not all the original cast from the game. I don't think they're going to jeopardize their reputation by messing with the Kagikkos now.

Expanding on this:
For AIR, they swapped Midorikawa Hikaru for Ono Daisuke for the role of Yukito, everyone else came back to repraise their role. Personally I found Ono Daisuke to be a better Yukito than Midorikawa Hikaru, even though I played the AIR game first and was exposed to Hikaru's Yukito first.

For Kanon, the game Yuuichi was not voiced. For the Toei version they had Kisaichi Atushi, where as we have Sugita Tomokazu. But eveyone should know by now that the two Yuuichi are entirely different characters and just based on this fact alone a change could already be justified (as to whether the person who got the role was fit, that's debatable, but I think the result had already spoken for itself). And again, everyone else came back to repraise their role.

For Tomoya, again we have a case where the game was not originally voiced. However here we also have two actors playing Tomoya in the different medium: Nojima Kenji in the drama CD and Itou Kentaro in a special DVD. They may choose either one or go with an entirely new person. What will they do here is anyone's guess right now. And seeing how Kyoani had been painfully faithful to Key's work because they were obviously trying very hard to please the fans first and foremost, plus with a sparkle clean past record there, I bet all the other characters will also be repraised by their respective seiyuu.

[Skyfall]

Personally - i know jack about Clannad, but seeing that people are going in the orbit from ecstasy, this should be a good one :D So far Key games adopted by KyoAni have been nothing short of fantastic, so i am very much looking towards this.

How well does Clannad stand in character and story depth when compared to Air / Kanon ?

[FatPianoBoy]

Do we know who Toei signed for Tomoya in their movie? Maybe Kyoani will keep him.

@ Skyfall: CLANNAD is, in a word, epic. It spans about ten years and takes upwards od 100 hours (so I'm told) to complete the game. There's almost twice as much material as in Kanon.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Well, everyone seems to have all the 'ZOMG Teh YEY!!!1' out of the way for me, so...

Anyone else wondering if Toei is beginning to consider KyoAni as the bane of their existence? I mean, this is the third time time they've grabbed the same projects, and the previous two times did so much better as to practically replace Toei's work (arguably). Seriously, if I worked at Toei, I'd have these guys blacklisted :heh:

KyoAni was probably grinning like a chesire cat while Kanon was still fresh and everyone was all "They should do CLANNAD next!"
I'm not sure if Tomokazu would be a match for Tomoya. Doesn't seem bitter enough.
Well, I do believe that my day has been made.

Oh come on now, Toei is so not a fair comparison. Toei is famous for its rather uninteresting movies and recycled plots used for them. The companies claim to fame is repetition, repetition in plot, repetition between the episodes (Monster of The Week usually), even repetition in the lyrics of their theme songs ("Get Get Getter Get" anybody). Repetition in its own darn repetition! And does anyone really think a movie can compared to a full TV Series.

I will admit right here right now Kyoto Animation is a far superior company compared to Toei. Then again almost any company that willingly let's companies such as Dic, 4KIDS! Pre-Reform Funimation and Harmony Gold licence and butcher their products is inferior to all others and has no real respect for anything they put out other than how much cash they can make for as little effort as possible. Don't even get me started on what they did to Mazinger, Getter Robo and whole bunch of other Mecha Series during the 70's and 80's. No, the Clannad Movie was doomed to disappoint even before this announcement came about.

[houkoholic]

How well does Clannad stand in character and story depth when compared to Air / Kanon ?

The story depth is even bigger than AIR, which is in itself bigger than Kanon (although the anime may hint otherwise).

The major difference is that while for AIR and Kanon the male leads are more like catalysts for the story of the girls, in Clannad the male lead Tomoya has a lot more growth and focus on his own story than either Yukito and Yuuichi.

Do we know who Toei signed for Tomoya in their movie? Maybe Kyoani will keep him.


That has not been disclosed yet.

I'm going to TAF next week, maybe I can find some info on it while I'm there. Pretty sure that both Toei and Kyoani will have a booth there.

[Daniel E.]

@ Skyfall: CLANNAD is, in a word, epic. It spans about ten years and takes upwards od 100 hours (so I'm told) to complete the game. There's almost twice as much material as in Kanon.

This actually makes me wonder about the number of episodes for Clannad.

+50 episodes perhaps?

[justsomeguy]

10 Years?! Does the story take place throughout an entire decade, or is it like Air's 1000 years with only the present and past?

[martino]

Sorry for this, maybe it was already mentioned/asked before. What's the relation between this TV series and the movie then? Are they just going to be the same plot-wise?

[Skyfall]

^ As far as Toei goes, i enjoyed Air the movie quite a lot. Certainly not less than the series. Another title that ranks very highly in my books is Iriya no Sora, UFO no Natsu.

I see - so the story has all the potential to be more epic than Air and /or Kanon ... time to set my expectations high :D

[justsomeguy]

Sorry for this, maybe it was already mentioned/asked before. What's the relation between this TV series and the movie then? Are they just going to be the same plot-wise?
Same source material, but different adaptations by two different animation companies working independently. Judging by what occurred with Air, one can expect KyoAni's series to be more faithful to the game than Toei's movie, which will inevitably take liberties with the plot. We can probably expect better animation in the series too.

[monir]

Greetings. Due to an unforeseen error, the existing Clannad TV thread was inadvertantly deleted. Before anyone panics, it is quite possible to recover the thread from another server, but it will take some time. In the meantime, please continue the discussion here. Once the thread created by Maceart is recovered, this thread will be merged with that one. Sorry for any inconvenience it might have caused. Thanks!

The following is copied from eggplants post from the New Announced Anime thread, and it reads:
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At the end of Kanon episode 24, it was announced!

Clannad will be getting a TV animation!

Broadcast: BS-i

URL: http://www.bs-i.co.jp/clannad/

Animation company: Kyoto Animation
Director: Ishihara Tatsuya
Series Composition/ Script: Shimo Fumihiko
Character Concept: Hinoue Itaru

Cast:
Furukawa Nagisa: Nakahara Mai
Fujibayashi Kyou: Hirohashi Ryou
Fujibayashi Ryou: Kanda Akemi
Sakagami Tomoyo: Kuwashima Houko
Ibuki Fuuko: Nonaka Ai
Ichinose Kotomi: Noto Mamiko


I'll upload a screenshot later on.

Edit: here is the screenshot:
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/2320/clannadpx5.th.png (http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clannadpx5.png)

More information will added to the website on March 20th.

[Neaco]

yep I can't wait for this to come. Have something to look forware to after kanon now.

[Matt Soulblade]

Yeah, great news. I still want to play the game though ;)

So, the rumors about a Clannad movie are not true, I suppose?
Wait, both a movie and a TV season at the same time?

[guuchan]

(Since I'm replying, I might as well re-post the whole thing.)

Damn it, I didn't expect they would announce it this soon. I guess now that Kanon is over, they think it's a good timing to give the fans something to look forward to. But man, didn't I say it that KyoAni would make CLANNAD TV after the movie (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=744491#post744491)?

10 Years?! Does the story take place throughout an entire decade, or is it like Air's 1000 years with only the present and past?
Not exactly. Even though the story does spam over many years, the later years fly by. The main story still focues on the Spring, that's why CLANNAD is put as Spring of Key's "four seasons".

^ As far as Toei goes, i enjoyed Air the movie quite a lot. Certainly not less than the series. Another title that ranks very highly in my books is Iriya no Sora, UFO no Natsu.
Aww, Iriya. :love:

Have to say that. :D

That's an interesting way to put it... any bets as to which ONE is next?
ONE already has two OVA series, a hentai and a non-hentai one. I highly, highly doubt it will be animated again into a TV series.

What do you guys say about episode numbers? Can it be crammed into 24 episodes, or do they need to push for more?
If AIR could be crammed into 13 episodes, then CLANNAD can be crammed into 24 episodes too. Who knows.

So, the rumors about a Clannad movie are not true, I suppose?
Wait, both a movie and a TV season at the same time?
Movie is going to be in cinema on 9/15. I expect TV series to start airing in either Winter or Spring (i.e. 08's January or April).

[Sai the Dreamer]

According to ANN, the series is slated for sometime in October '07. Can anybody confirm whether this is true?

[Cloudnine]

Seeing Nagisa's first scene in the promo welled up all sorts of warm memories .・゜・(ノд`)・゜・。

*sigh*

From now till air date, they're just going to torture us with all types of promos, CMs, bangumis, netge, etc.

Sugita playing Tomoya?

うむむ... Sounds attractive, but I'd rather have a different VA this time around. He was great in Kanon and SHnY, but after playing Gekkou no Carnavale, I just don't see his voice fitting with school dramas anymore. I wonder if they will use Ito-san (岡崎朋也)? It seems to be the more faithful choice for fans.

[orion]

Yippee!!! The Air pattern repeats. :D

Can we have our forum now? ;) :heh:

[prince leon]

@orion: I think we'll have it in due time. :D

[Kaioshin Sama]

Yippee!!! The Air pattern repeats. :D

Can we have our forum now? ;) :heh:

Whoa slow down there, give it a few months. About the Air pattern, I think we all knew it was coming deep down. Maybe it helped to supress that feeling to allow ourselves the chance to still be surprised.

[FatPianoBoy]

Yippee!!! The Air pattern repeats. :D


If I were a betting man, I'd be doubling-down on Planetarian right about now ;)


Somewhat off-topic, has there been any word from KEY on their next masterpiece?

[Vexx]

Other than a quick glance at the Wikipedia, I know nothing about the story other than a certain guy who authors Megatokyo melts into a puddle at anything Clannad (or Kanon) ... he's probably demolecularized after this announcement.

Well... I enjoyed AIR (though it made a mess of me) and Kanon is a WIN (at least it let you come up for oxygen occasionally with some humor) so I suppose I'm in for this ride whenever it arrives (next year or next fall?).

[Maids! Maids! Maids!]

Nagisa
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Mostly Kyou (a little Ryou)
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Fuko
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[Leo_Otaku]

If I were a betting man, I'd be doubling-down on Planetarian right about now ;)


Somewhat off-topic, has there been any word from KEY on their next masterpiece?


Their newest that new know of is Little Busters set to be out on July 27 a dat after my birthday ^-^

On another note what about Tomoyo After? Will they make that into anything? Hmmmm....

I'm thinking a prelude in August? And perhaps in to air in October just a guess *shrug*

[Kaioshin Sama]

If I were a betting man, I'd be doubling-down on Planetarian right about now ;)


Somewhat off-topic, has there been any word from KEY on their next masterpiece?

Who says its going to be a masterpiece? Man though even I know this one, it's something called Little Busters. What is about I don't know, but I'm sure it involves a Car Accident, somebody falling ill and dying, A Tomboy character and a really wishy washy main character.

I'm a betting man though and I'd put down $20 on any given Key project following Clannad.

[FatPianoBoy]

On another note what about Tomoyo After? Will they make that into anything? Hmmmm....


Since Tomoyo After was mostly created to calm the swarms of people storming the studio wondering where their pr0n had gone, I wouldn't hold my breath for it.


@Kaioshin: Is there anything wrong with letting a little optimism show sometimes? Even I get tired of being cynical all day. Besides, if their last three were huge hits, I think it's okay to expect something from the fourth.

[Sushi-Y]

Lol how many pages did the thread get to before it went poof anyway? I came back from work finding only 10 posts and the first thing I thought was "holy crap they must've broke the thread with a flood of posts" :heh:

Seeing Nagisa's first scene in the promo welled up all sorts of warm memories .・゜・(ノд`)・゜・。
Forget warm memories, just looking at her back reminds me of the whole scene, the music, and uwa here comes the tears~

From now till air date, they're just going to torture us with all types of promos, CMs, bangumis, netge, etc.
The game vets are the biggest victims here. Knowing just how great the game was makes it all the more painful to wait for. ^^;

Sugita playing Tomoya?

うむむ... Sounds attractive, but I'd rather have a different VA this time around. He was great in Kanon and SHnY, but after playing Gekkou no Carnavale, I just don't see his voice fitting with school dramas anymore. I wonder if they will use Ito-san (岡崎朋也)? It seems to be the more faithful choice for fans.
I hope not. Yuuichi was still acceptable, but Tomoya is not a Sugita kind of guy. We're talking about a genuine delinquent here. Nojima Kenji, who was announced as Tomoya's voice actor for the upcoming CLANNAD drama CDs, would be an awesome choice, I think (think Nanaya Shiki from Melty Blood).

Since Tomoyo After was mostly created to calm the swarms of people storming the studio wondering where their pr0n had gone, I wouldn't hold my breath for it.
Actually, Tomoyo After was made because Maeda-san wanted to write about it. The 18+ content was there because "it felt appropriate". Either way, Tomoyo After was never meant to be Key's "next big game" in the first place anyway, but more of an experiment + bonus.

Who says its going to be a masterpiece? Man though even I know this one, it's something called Little Busters. What is about I don't know, but I'm sure it involves a Car Accident, somebody falling ill and dying, A Tomboy character and a really wishy washy main character.
I don't know about the first two, but there is a tomboy girl, although the main character is looking more like a "a goody two shoes most of the time but becomes incredibly cool when things get serious" kind of guy to me.

For a little more info on Little Busters, look here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=845877&postcount=908) and here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=854446&postcount=927).

Oh wait I missed the cynicism.

[monir]

Who says its going to be a masterpiece? Man though even I know this one, it's something called Little Busters. What is about I don't know, but I'm sure it involves a Car Accident, somebody falling ill and dying, A Tomboy character and a really wishy washy main character.
The secret recipe for masterpiece that was so secret for millenia, is secret no more. And it all thanks to Kaioshin Sama. :p I suppose Keys are a big believer of those words of wisdom, "don't fix something that works."

[Daniel E.]

Hmmmm, I think I have some of the pics Maidsx3 just posted.

Funny how often one saves images never knowing the characters in them. :p

[Kaioshin Sama]

Since Tomoyo After was mostly created to calm the swarms of people storming the studio wondering where their pr0n had gone, I wouldn't hold my breath for it.


@Kaioshin: Is there anything wrong with letting a little optimism show sometimes? Even I get tired of being cynical all day. Besides, if their last three were huge hits, I think it's okay to expect something from the fourth.

Hmmm well they were huge hits, but I only really consider Kanon to be the standout among them as it was the first in a line of similar themed projects. And yes its true, I have no soul or sense of optimism. Why? The less optomistic you feel the less likely you are to feel let down when something disappoints. Likewise if something turns out good you feel all the more better for it since your expectations were out of sync with the products quality. Me though, I don't really feel emotion so I just can't do these kinds of shows. Believe me when I say I don't relish the fact that I'm Obsessive Compulsive and seem to suffer from Alexithymia, that's unfortunately how it is.

[Shinova]

@Kaioshin: Is there anything wrong with letting a little optimism show sometimes? Even I get tired of being cynical all day. Besides, if their last three were huge hits, I think it's okay to expect something from the fourth.

Hey now, we need someone to denounce KyoAni despite its constant successes! Someone's gotta speak up for the other side, even if he's the only one on that team. ;)

He's probably just feeling bitter that there could exist a studio with an absolutely clean (for now) record like KyoAni. :)

[andiyar]

Highly looking forward to this. Kinda have the trailer on a semi-perpetual loop at the moment... October. Sigh. It's a long time to wait...

But then, I suppose there's all the promotional material to look forward to. ~_^


-Andiyar

[Sai the Dreamer]

Who says its going to be a masterpiece? Man though even I know this one, it's something called Little Busters. What is about I don't know, but I'm sure it involves a Car Accident, somebody falling ill and dying, A Tomboy character and a really wishy washy main character.

I'm a betting man though and I'd put down $20 on any given Key project following Clannad.

This should be obvious, but why bother watching Key adaptions if you don't like them? :p

October is a long time to wait! I need my Clannad fix now! :mad:

[Vexx]

Thanks, I'd rather have multiple viewpoints from a variety of directions than a monotonic choir chant :)

[guuchan]

According to ANN, the series is slated for sometime in October '07. Can anybody confirm whether this is true?
It was only announced yesterday on TV with an official HP, and no date was mentioned anywhere. I'm not sure where ANN got the "October" from, and I seriously doubt it.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Hey now, we need someone to denounce KyoAni despite its constant successes! Someone's gotta speak up for the other side, even if he's the only one on that team. ;)

He's probably just feeling bitter that there could exist a studio with an absolutely clean (for now) record like KyoAni. :)

Don't forget about Bones, and Sunrise would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling Gundam Seed Destiny.

All I really want is to see credit given where credit is do with Kyoto Animation and not where it isn't or need not be. I don't know, maybe I'm just a killjoy, but I like playing the moderate guy in a sea of hardcore fans, you learn a little about your peers and what makes them tick, about your own shortcomings and you get to express yourself as well. Plus I hope it adds to the discussion a centering factor when I'm not pissing everybody off. If the pendulum swings from the haters on the left to the overwhelming supporters on the right, I guess I'm sort of just to the left of the centre on Kyoto Animation.

That would all change if they'd do something I really truly want to see on my own time, but its just H-Game conversion announcement after Moe Comedy announcment. I think I'd appreciate their careful attention to detail that I myself have a fair bit of obsession with if they'd do a bit more action oriented series again, or something with political intrigue like Code Geass. As it stands though all I'm seeing is a company that takes already popular source material from dating sims and does its best to make it into a solid anime and that's just not enough to cut it for me right off the bat like it is for some other people. Maybe another Full Metal Panic would be enough to change my mind. I've yet to see the Second Raid, so I'll hold off a bit on the criticism until then. Except for this one. How Can You Fail To Succeed If You Don't Take Any Risks? Think about that one for a second.

@Sai: You know what you need to do go out and play the game. Or watching Air or Kanon again might suffice.

[velocity7]

For now I'll bide my time translating the CLANNAD game. I don't expect to be able to see CLANNAD TV come until maybe 2008?

Just being safer than sorry. :heh:

*points to signature*

[Sai the Dreamer]

@Sai: You know what you need to do go out and play the game. Or watching Air or Kanon again might suffice.

I've already watched Kanon as a whole twice, and AIR four times. What are you trying to say? :confused:

[Maceart]

So that's what happened to the thread this morning. Oh well.

Excellent. AIR 2005, Kanon 2006, CLANNAD 2007/2008, perhaps Kyoto will now do a Planetarian OAV for 2010? One can only hope...

Unlike AIR however, I have no idea what the storyline for CLANNAD is (save for a couple of scanlated manga chapters on Nagisa) so I hope it's quite top notch.

[monir]

It was only announced yesterday on TV with an official HP, and no date was mentioned anywhere. I'm not sure where ANN got the "October" from, and I seriously doubt it.
They are probably guess-timating after taking notes from the previous example set by Kanon. Kanon was announced to have a remake in March 2006. The first episode aired in October 2006. That's a seven month gap. If Clannad follows the same pattern, then it should air in October 2007, exactly seven months from the day it was announced Clannad will have an anime adaptation.

[Sorrow-K]

This is one of those few instances where my fanboy-ism gets the best of me, but it's KyoAni doing a Key story, so...

OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD!!!!!!

Hope this is at least a 24 ep series (hopefully more) since, given what people have said in the movie thread, this is a story that's going to need it and KyoAni have proven with Kanon that they have the ability to pull a series with that length off with (almost) no problems. But I've been nothing short of totally impressed with both of KyoAni's efforts with Key stories so far, so I have reason to be optimistic with this one. Add in a proven director who has a clear passion for the source material and I just can't help but highly anticipate this series.

This news has totally made my day.

Edit: Oh wow, it also has Nakahara Mai and Noto Mamiko in it. I'm almost dying of fanboy-ism here...

[Dagger]

Don't forget about Bones, and Sunrise would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling Gundam Seed Destiny.
I highly respect BONES and would put them second to KyoAni as the studio with the best batting average. But they've plopped out lemons in the past. I find just about everything they've done to be watchable and smooth, but not all of it is outstanding. As for Sunrise... if you like every single title they've produced over the course of their existence as a studio, with the sole exception of GSD, you certainly possess more stamina than I.

As it stands though all I'm seeing is a company that takes already popular source material from dating sims and does its best to make it into a solid anime and that's just not enough to cut it for me right off the bat like it is for some other people. Maybe another Full Metal Panic would be enough to change my mind. I've yet to see the Second Raid, so I'll hold off a bit on the criticism until then. Except for this one. How Can You Fail To Succeed If You Don't Take Any Risks? Think about that one for a second.
lol. FMP fits the "already popular source material" definition to a T, dude. Anyway, I don't see anyone claiming that KyoAni is Studio 4°C or something. Studio 4°C garners similarly intense & adoring praise--there are a lot of people who believe that everything they touch turns to sakuga gold--just from a different crowd. An action-oriented or political series like Geass might be more enjoyable to you, but that's no reason to suggest that doing a political show is what'll make KyoAni "prove" themselves. Light novels and visual novels are not lesser source material by any means.

Personally, I've never claimed that KyoAni is innovative on anything but a visual quality front. But I've really, really liked every single one of their anime. Heck, I even liked Munto! And the fact that their visual quality improves over time is astounding. Even FMP: Fumoffu pales in comparison to later offerings like AIR. I mean, I'm sorry that you don't shamelessly lap Key's stories up the way I do (;)), but that's not really something to hold against KyoAni. So they're not doing anything you're interested in--so what? The visual quality they bring to the table, more consistently and brilliantly than any other TV anime studio out there, is undeniable. If nothing else, hopefully it'll challenge those other studios not to settle for cheap-looking animation and cost-cutting gimmicks. Maybe someday we'll start seeing KyoAni caliber animation from companies that aren't called KyoAni... and maybe some of those uber-l33t-looking shows will be stuff that gets your blood pumping.

Tell me--what risks are other studios taking? And why is taking risks admirable? If you have a great story, original or otherwise, you should have confidence in it. That's not taking a risk. I mean, okay, maybe suddenly doing a BDSM shota series would be taking a risk, but it'd also be stupid and pointless. I will grant you that there are studios that take true risks and freshen up the industry in the process, like Studio 4°C--but that's one out of just how many? Why can't KyoAni do their own thing? Why is risking the confusion and even ire of fans more commendable than doing your best to make them happy?

People will only fawn over KyoAni as long as KyoAni keeps making shows that they love. They certainly won't eat just anything that KyoAni tries to feed them... they don't like a show because it's from KyoAni, but because it has the beauty and faithfulness to the source that they have come to expect from KyoAni. People won't make any excuses for them if they screw up--if that happens, the honeymoon ends.

[Sushi-Y]

As it stands though all I'm seeing is a company that takes already popular source material from dating sims and does its best to make it into a solid anime and that's just not enough to cut it for me right off the bat like it is for some other people
Of course, that's a valid argument, but making an anime adaption of an "already popular" series is not as easy as you would think. Given the unforgiving nature of the anime industry (especially when we're talking about niche slots like these), if you want to make an anime adaptation that's clearly targeted towards the fans of the original, you better pray to god you do a good job or you're done. Sure, Kyoani "only" took a bunch of popular eroges (although CLANNAD was an all-age game to begin with) and made solid, high-quality animes out of them, but they did it better than anyone else. And that was enough to please the fans. As long as Kyoani continued to make these "great, faithful adaptations", nobody's going to think about whether that actually makes Kyoani a good company or not.
That would all change if they'd do something I really truly want to see on my own time, but its just H-Game conversion announcement after Moe Comedy announcment. I think I'd appreciate their careful attention to detail that I myself have a fair bit of obsession with if they'd do a bit more action oriented series again, or something with political intrigue like Code Geass.
A Kyoani "Owari no Chronicle" anime adaptation. When that happens, I'll probably need a tranquilizer to stop myself from my dance of ecstatic joy. :heh:

They are probably guess-timating after taking notes from the previous example set by Kanon. Kanon was announced to have a remake in March 2006. The first episode aired in October 2006. That's a seven month gap. If Clannad follows the same pattern, then it should air in October 2007, exactly seven months from the day it was announced Clannad will have an anime adaptation.
Sorry if I sound like I'm repeating myself (since the thread went poof), but cyan-san (the owner of MOON PHASE) mentioned a Haruhi second season @ Fall 2007 / CLANNAD @ Early 2008 schedule, which was based on the insider information that he has received from his informants.

[Vexx]

Like Sushi-Y, I figure january-ish for Clannad. Allowing for Lucky Star, SHnY2 seasons, that seems more likely.

One of the reasons I always throw salt before webbing over to ANN.

[Maceart]

That would all change if they'd do something I really truly want to see on my own time, but its just H-Game conversion announcement after Moe Comedy announcment. I think I'd appreciate their careful attention to detail that I myself have a fair bit of obsession with if they'd do a bit more action oriented series again, or something with political intrigue like Code Geass. As it stands though all I'm seeing is a company that takes already popular source material from dating sims and does its best to make it into a solid anime and that's just not enough to cut it for me right off the bat like it is for some other people. Maybe another Full Metal Panic would be enough to change my mind. I've yet to see the Second Raid, so I'll hold off a bit on the criticism until then. Except for this one. How Can You Fail To Succeed If You Don't Take Any Risks? Think about that one for a second.

Kyoto Animation takes source material and enhances them to horizons that even the original creator wouldn't have thought off. Of course, I might be a fanboy, but everything that Kyoto Animation has done from FMP Fumoffu up to Kanon 2006 has been highly enjoyable.

And who says Kyoto Animation doesn't produce original stuff? Munto OAV comes to mind, while it's only 2 50 minute episodes, the story in there looked pretty original to me (and the character designs came way before Haruhi).

[monir]

Sorry if I sound like I'm repeating myself (since the thread went poof), but cyan-san (the owner of MOON PHASE) mentioned a Haruhi second season @ Fall 2007 / CLANNAD @ Early 2008 schedule, which was based on the insider information that he has received from his informants.
It is all news to me, so most definitely not repeating yourself from my point of view! :) Thanks for clearing that up. I suppose Clannad will air on the Fall schedule since it seems we won't get a 2nd season for Haruhi this year. Makes me a bit sad, but as long as there is more KyoAni...

[Kaioshin Sama]

Maybe someday we'll start seeing KyoAni caliber animation from companies that aren't called KyoAni... and maybe some of those uber-l33t-looking shows will be stuff that gets your blood pumping.

As far as I know there is no company called KyoAni on paper to begin with, so by that logic there is no such thing as KyoAni Caliber Animation. Mind Taking! :eyespin: Apparently this company Kyoto Animation however may in fact be affiliated with Sunrise. Here's the business plan as it exists officialy for this Kyoto Animation Company http://www.kyotoanimation.co.jp/data/e/company/company_gaiyou.html . I couldn't turn up anything on a KyoAni though.

[Shinova]

As it stands though all I'm seeing is a company that takes already popular source material from dating sims and does its best to make it into a solid anime and that's just not enough to cut it for me right off the bat like it is for some other people. Maybe another Full Metal Panic would be enough to change my mind. I've yet to see the Second Raid, so I'll hold off a bit on the criticism until then. Except for this one. How Can You Fail To Succeed If You Don't Take Any Risks? Think about that one for a second.

If it's different genres you want KyoAni to take on, you'll have to know that there's no "easy" or "difficult" genre. Every genre piece can be trash or sheer masterpiece, and requires huge amounts of its own kind of work and effort. Even mindless harem comedies have their trash and their brilliant masterpieces.

The work KyoAni's doing is some difficult work indeed. Certainly they have good source material to fall back on, but translating words into animation involves a lot. Cinematography is daaaaaammn harder work than most people may think.

Now if we take on the underlining concerns that seem to be fueling your criticism there, you may be asking why KyoAni keeps doing adaptations instead of original work.

Well, making an entirely original work can actually be much easier than adapting an existing one because with an original piece, you're the boss. You get to make it all up. With adaptations, you have to worry about being faithful to the source. You have to translate someone else's vision onto the screen rather than your own.

Of course, if you're making some ginormous epic original piece, that's a whole different story. Of course, you could also try to adapt a ginormous epic source material as well.


And lastly, there are fans like us who want this or this erogame or manga on the screen. And who are the ones to undergo the painstaking work to fulfill our wishes? ;)

[Cloudnine]

The game vets are the biggest victims here. Knowing just how great the game was makes it all the more painful to wait for. ^^;
同感です! I already feel like losing sleep just thinking of how my favorite scenes will get animated. My jaw literally dropped seeing Tomoyo's 64hit combo. It wasn't exactly how I imagined it to be (overkill?) but wow... that was pure euphoria.

For now, all we can do is pinch our cheeks and wait for the next tidbit of news they throw at us... (;・∀・) (ワン! ワン!)

Nojima Kenji, who was announced as Tomoya's voice actor for the upcoming CLANNAD drama CDs, would be an awesome choice, I think (think Nanaya Shiki from Melty Blood).
Ah, I remember reading that in a blog somewhere. I agree, his Nanaya style voice fits Tomoya's character pretty well, sort of sexy and badass. (This is coming from a guys pov too) (ノ´∀`*)

I wonder are the drama CDs sidestories/postscripts or are they just going to reproduce certain scenes from the game?

Either way, Tomoyo After was never meant to be Key's "next big game" in the first place anyway, but more of an experiment + bonus.
Fandisc or not, ero-content or not, it was good enough to make me cry a river 。・゜・(ノд`)・゜・。(ともちゃん!!)

And lastly, there are fans like us who want this or this erogame or manga on the screen. And who are the ones to undergo the painstaking work to fulfill our wishes?
*raises hand* Even if it becomes the next cabbage, the fan will follow it to the end. :heh:

[Daniel E.]

Unlike AIR however, I have no idea what the storyline for CLANNAD is (save for a couple of scanlated manga chapters on Nagisa) so I hope it's quite top notch.

I just found the mangas myself. Guess I'll read the few available ones to start knowing a bit more about the characters. :)

[Nightengale]

Wow, the Kagirobe Animation (( my new name for Kyoto Animation )) drama's already started, and there's not so much of anything except a commercial. :P

Well, this news is good. Of course, an inner-hopeful in my heart kinda wished that that the eventual Clannad TV series by Kagirobe would've came a little later, so that the studio wouldn't exhaust Key's works like tissue papers and has a chance to exploit itself in more experimental works or adaptions, or heck, even an original animation. But one Kagi a year isn't too quick either, so it's not that bad.

On the issue of the studio, although I don't think they're the greatest studio in existence, I'll give them credit for being mostly able to satisfy the fans of the original source material. I'm not a big believer in extreme faithfulness, but if it works to the advantage of the being better, then it's good too. If anything, the one thing I'll give them credit is their solid timing along with the execution of their storyboarding, which shows that they can match a solid feel of a series well.

Anyway, I'd suggest that no one goes overboard on this. Kaioshin's riffiness on the situation isn't whole unjustified of an opinion, since there are a myriad of fans that kind of goes...over-the-top with some of their KyoAnism that was born from their success with Haruhi. The whole Sugita joke too, despite knowing that they're hardly the same character from Haruhi to Kanon. With the way Kanon was executed, it does signify some promise that Clannad will at least deliver decently.

[andiyar]

As far as I know there is no company called KyoAni on paper to begin with, so by that logic there is no such thing as KyoAni Caliber Animation. Mind Taking! :eyespin: Apparently this company Kyoto Animation however may in fact be affiliated with Sunrise. Here's the business plan as it exists officialy for this Kyoto Animation Company http://www.kyotoanimation.co.jp/data/e/company/company_gaiyou.html . I couldn't turn up anything on a KyoAni though.


If we're going to nitpick, then to paraphrase you, there's no such company called "Sunrise" on paper to begin with either. That little incorporated makes all the difference, it appears. ~_^

That said, I can relate to where your apathy is coming from. The rather... excessive... amount of fanboyism for KyoAni (or, if you prefer, Kyoto Animation), that stemmed from the proliferation of fans for Haruhi can be a tad trying at times. Still, I approach this particular announcment, that of Clannad TV, as more of a fan of Key & KyoAni together than as a fan of KyoAni alone. I can't say I've ever watched anything of theirs which I haven't enjoyed, but their best works, in my opinion, have been those adaptations of Visual Arts/key's work into the animated medium.

Still. I'll watch Lucky Star & Haruhi/2 as well. Because, well, you know.... it's **KyoAni** ;)


-Andiyar

[Kaioshin Sama]

If it's different genres you want KyoAni to take on, you'll have to know that there's no "easy" or "difficult" genre. Every genre piece can be trash or sheer masterpiece, and requires huge amounts of its own kind of work and effort. Even mindless harem comedies have their trash and their brilliant masterpieces.

The work KyoAni's doing is some difficult work indeed. Certainly they have good source material to fall back on, but translating words into animation involves a lot. Cinematography is daaaaaammn harder work than most people may think.

Now if we take on the underlining concerns that seem to be fueling your criticism there, you may be asking why KyoAni keeps doing adaptations instead of original work.

Well, making an entirely original work can actually be much easier than adapting an existing one because with an original piece, you're the boss. You get to make it all up. With adaptations, you have to worry about being faithful to the source. You have to translate someone else's vision onto the screen rather than your own.

Of course, if you're making some ginormous epic original piece, that's a whole different story. Of course, you could also try to adapt a ginormous epic source material as well.


And lastly, there are fans like us who want this or this erogame or manga on the screen. And who are the ones to undergo the painstaking work to fulfill our wishes? ;)

You know I can't argue this and all of these things I respect.

What leaves me generally unimpressed with the company is that they seem to not even give two hoots and a holler about my side of the anime fandom, that being Mecha, Shounen and Intellectual thriller type shows. They seem soley focused on the Moe side of the market, which I don't really care for. So I don't think its unfair for me to have a grudge and some tough words to say about where I think they falter in the originality and risk taking department. I also don't think its unfair for me to throw my support away from them and towards companies like Sunrise who at least try to combine both sides of the market together such as with Idolmaster Xenoglossia or even Code Geass with its characters like Nunally and Nina in the midst of what will soon be a World War. What really annoys me is that its so damn easy for Kyoto Animation to win me over by giving their careful and attentive treatment to something I'd enjoy watching for more than a couple episodes, yet they constantly refuse to try anything other than Key stories and Moe Light Novels. I also consider Full Metal Panic to be more of a joint venture series with Kyoto Animation playing a partner role and being handed the reigns by Gonzo and them working with other companies to complete the project.

and to the guy (girl?) above, there is a company called Sunrise. Sunrise Inc. is a the amalgamation under Bandai and Sunrise is the name of the studio as it was before the buy out. The company has gone by three names including Sunrise, Nippon Sunrise and Sunrise Inc. KyoAni is just a nickname that people insist on using to drive people who don't like acronyms (like me) up the wall and isn't actually its official name anywhere in legal documents.

[Mirrinus]

I could have sworn the Full Metal Panic franchise fell under "Mecha"...

Meh, I can't stand mecha shows anyway, which explains my dislike of Sunrise INC. and their seemingly unexaustive and repetitive spew of such shows. To each their own, eh?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Tell me something, are you going to appear in every single thread to remind us how much you strongly dislike Kyoto Animation?

Cause seriously, it's that simple that if you don't like it, don't get close to it. If you do still insist on approaching the material, please be considerate and not place your hate up on display? Cause we really get the point from 'haruhi' and 'kanon'.

If the company doesn't want to do it, then you'll just have to look somewhere else.

Or is it that all you want is just a 'Mecha, Shounen and Intellectual thriller type shows' that is produce by the same quality of what Kyoto Animation has been producing, but because no other company can do it like them, you are left with no chioce then to constantly flame Kyoto Animation into submission?

Also, fighting over names is really silly.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Cause seriously, it's that simple that if you don't like it, don't get close to it.

Have you considered that that may not in fact be possible in this day and age of every project they do being very prominent throughout anime boards, blogs and gatherings on the internet. This first became apparent with Haruhi last year and it was such a rude awakening I came here to see what was up. The rest as they say is history and now I just want to learn and talk as much as possible about anything, regardless of whether I like it or not. If you can't avoid it, go to the source and find out what is going down first hand. That way you understand at least a little bit, you feel more in control of things even if it is an artificial sense of empowerment and it becomes less jarring to see something pop up everywhere you look. When you now know for a fact what is going on, since you where there from the start on day one, there is a certain comfort to and security to be had later on. Guess who of all people had the first post on ANN's announcement for Clannad? I know somebody knows and he's lurking just above your post.

[DanielSong39]

I think Clannad TV is a great opportunity for Kyoto Animation to make some advances when it comes to character design and development. One criticism I have is that some of their female characters push the boundaries of moe, to the point that they either become superficial, one-dimensional, or both. This may be a desirable quality to have in certain side characters, but certainly not in the leads.

In comparison, other studios such as J.C. Staff has shown that they can create moe females that have rich personalities. Characters such as Nodame from Nodame Cantabile, or Shouko/Karada from Asatte no Houkou have that moe factor as well, but that is just one of many factors that make these characters endearing. Their eagerness, willingness to use their talents, and their ability to interact with others really set them apart.

Nagisa in Clannad is much more involved in resolving problems than, say, Misuzu or Ayu, so I think Kyoto Animation has something to work with. I'd like to see them invest a bit more effort into her character development - as she changes from a person who is too timid to speak to others, to a person who develops a circle of friends and quietly supports them.

[orion]

I don't see what's wrong with Kyo-Ani padding their pockets by going for the moe market. They are a business after all. The moe market (http://web-japan.org/trends/business/bus050830.html) in Japan was estimated to be worth $807 million in 2003.

They get enough money in the bank by doing the moe titles maybe then they can finance some more independent works again.

Hey, the more Key titles they animate, the happier I get. :)

[Kaioshin Sama]

I think Clannad TV is a great opportunity for Kyoto Animation to make some advances when it comes to character design and development. One criticism I have is that some of their female characters push the boundaries of moe, to the point that they either become superficial, one-dimensional, or both. This may be a desirable quality to have in certain side characters, but certainly not in the leads.

One more before I go to bed. I consider the Moe thing to be more of a side effect of H-Game character personalities. It's not exactly Kyoto Animation's fault per se, but the cahracters they were given to work with are just to cutesy for their own good. Now if what you say about Clannad is true it's starting to sound more appealing, because one of the things that keeps me from normally enjoying these shows for more than a few episodes is that I get overloaded with moe so quickly that I can't continue without short circuiting. It's already been an experience of a lifetime at that point. I call it the 1/4 Law, wherein for me to be able to enjoy an episode, no more than 1/4 of the episode can rely soley on moe antics to fill time. I think that's a reasonable expectation of any series if it plans on making any sort of impact other than "That's so cute". Take Yggdra Loli, the characters are ungodly cute looking and it makes the art style quirky and fun to look at, but the story is actually fairly serious and militaristic and the characters keep developing as well throughout the stage. An example would be Yggdra evolving from an innocent naive princess into a warmongerer and then into a strong and compassionate leader. This satisfies the 1/4 law quite well, containing just the right amount of moe.

And holy crap there's an economics article on Moe. I think the article speaks for everything I've talked about to this point, the exploitation, the realization of how easy it is to milk a certain sect of people, and the trend's direction as whole. Simply unbelievable though. I knew it was a huge market, but to think its worth 2 Trillion Yen.... I think I need to research this a bit as this is damn interesting. Seeing as this article is from 2005, I wonder if we have already passed the peak of Moe' overwhelming popularity and are on the way back down the other side of the slope, settling into somewhere comfortable, but not out of control (small doses within episodes instead of entire series). This almost singlehandly explains all of 2005-mid 2006 and why it was such a weak season.

[Skane]

KyoAni is just an abbreviation. Yeesh. :rolleyes: Just like how GSD stands for Gundam SEED Destiny, or how SAM stands for Surface to Air Missile. I think it is pretty petty to nitpick on something not worth nitpicking over. What the heck does an abbreviation has to do with a company's worth? If you want to moan about "nicknames", at least do it to something that genuinely deserves it. Otherwise, it will just be interpreted as ravings on your account( of the negative kind).
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Stirring back to the topic of CLANNAD, I will just restate what I wrote in the deleted thread. Despite knowing some of the plot of CLANNAD due to repeated exposure to spoilers, I am more or less a newcomer to the storyline. I am looking forward to be entertained by the TV series.

Cheers.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Have I considered those? No to be honest, they didn't come to mind, I apologize for that.

Thank you for pointing out the one flaw from my post. :)

[Sheba]

1. For me, Kyoto Animation craze started with Air. I watched it like back in late 2k4 or early 2k5 (?), and thought : "Wow, this is how Kanon should have been." (I got into the Keyverse mostly because of the game Eternal Fighter Zero and some Korean American guy I've known for a while).


2. And moé is awesome! Without it, I'd not have things like Aria and the Touhou franchise.

3. My anime experience is waaay more different from Kaioshin. I've seen lot of shonen, mecha shows and action in the past, to the point I've come to think "Enough is enough!". My point? People enjoy different things because of the sum of their life experience, age, and a lot more factor you can even think of. You can NOT expect them to enjoy the same genre as you do.

4. I am happy with what I've seen from Kyoto Animation. They only do moé and no mecha/shonen/action show? So fucking what? I've liked John Carpenter because he did horror movies ("The Thing", "In the Mouth of Madness") good! And have proven he can do good comedy too ("Big Trouble in Little China"). But are we going to scorn him because he have not done a romantic movie yet? Hell no.
I mean as long as Kyoto Animation delivers, I don't see myself whining and bitching at the point of being a pest.

Protip: from now on, avoid anything moé or Kyoto Animation. We got it!

[Sai the Dreamer]

To be honest, though this is a public forum, the ability to free speech only extends as far as the audience's tolerance level does. Surely you can't like every series around... that's fine, just don't watch that series, and leave those of us who do like it to talk in peace. Or to put it in another perspective, do you go to a topic about football to say you don't like sports? No? Visiting a topic about a series just to express why you think it is/will be bad is pretty much the same: it's considered bad netiquette on forums, and frankly ruins the enjoyment for everybody else. :heh:

Ahh, long rant. o_o; To start some more discussion... how many here are total Clannad virgins? I am, and I'll resist the urge to spoil myself silly this time around. Must not read Wiki article... :heh:

[cyth]

I consider the Moe thing to be more of a side effect of H-Game character personalities. It's not exactly Kyoto Animation's fault per se, but the cahracters they were given to work with are just to cutesy for their own good.I don't like the sound of your post. You make it sound like Kyoto Animation gets a pile of crap everytime they start a series and they turn it into something awesome. Wrong! The material they get has been awesome from the start, and what Kyoto Animation does best is faithful adaptations. Kyoto Animation certainly didn't want to reduce the moé; that would be just plain old stupid because their series target a specific audience. Whether another kind of audience accepts their work is a completely different story, and certainly if it appealed to them it doesn't mean it was made for them.I think the article speaks for everything I've talked about to this point, the exploitation, the realization of how easy it is to milk a certain sect of people, and the trend's direction as whole. Simply unbelievable though. I knew it was a huge market, but to think its worth 2 Trillion Yen...I think you're speaking to the wrong crowd here. We know that sometimes we're getting milked way too much, but that's a part of any niché market. If the companies and ourselves want to keep that alive, it's in everyone's best interest that companies produce quality merchandise and consequently the consumers, ourselves buy that quality. As it was said numerous times, we're a pretty unforgiving bunch, so screw-ups aren't allowed.
I figure the only people that frown upon this business model are the people who don't care much about moé and wish to see it disappear, or the people that don't pay a dime for anything and are rude enough to whine about it.

[andiyar]

@ Sai

I suppose I count as a Clannad 'virgin', having never played the game or much encountered any of the story at all, apart from a few tantalising hints around various online venues - a lá this forum, at times. This wasn't the case with either Air or Kanon, so I'm highly looking forward to my first 'uncontaminated', or perhaps 'unknowing' exposure to a key game cum anime. I've listened to the OST for Clannad a few times, and to that of Tomoyo After - but that's largely because of my love for Lia and the Key Music Trinity (Maeda, Orito, Togoshi).

@ kaoshin

Firstly, Studio Sunrise (Sunrise Studios, perhaps), Nippon Sunrise, Sunrise Inc. Yes, I'm aware that it's referred to as 'Sunrise' in common parlance, but, names as names. That said, the subject is rather silly. Oh, and just a quickie... nicknames/abbrev.'s are common usage, aren't they? My own name is abbreviated in common usage, names of countries (for instance, the United States of America as US, or America), slang terms, nicknames... all part of common language, I feel. :)

As to the moé factor, well... it's a market. Products aimed at that market sell, and they will continue to sell for rather obvious reasons - the consumers are still there. And from the numbers, it looks as if it's still growing, so it isn't as if companies that specialise in material aimed at that market - in which grouping we could place, albeit loosely, Kyoto Animation (hereafter KyoAni) - are going to stop producing content, until the market shifts again, or metamorphoses into something else.

Your point, realistically, seems to be that you dislike KyoAni and the like because they don't produce content aimed at your particular set of the market. All well and good; you are entitled to like or dislike whatever material you wish. Myself, I'm not a fan of mecha products or of (almost all) shounen products. Much as you dislike the moé genre, I find mecha/shounen to be personally boring and not worth my time, nor my effort. And again, that's quite fair, my opinion is as it is, and I am entitled to hold it.

However, I would not, for instance, open up a discussion thread on the latest Gundam show, and then proceed to post about how much I disliked the studio (Sunrise, I believe?) because they weren't out their producing romantic comedies, or moé shows, or other shows in which I might have some interest. That's where my comprehension of what you're doing breaks down - surely there are plenty of other animation studios out there, and plenty of other shows, that do suit your interests and are worthy of your attention - so why the (if you'll pardon me) rampantly unnecessary antagonism here?

You have mentioned that KyoAni seem to 'win you over' with what you refer to as their 'careful and attentive treatment' to the source material, yet, the source material is never what you would prefer to watch. You wrote:

I also don't think its unfair for me to throw my support away from them and towards companies like Sunrise...

which is again, quite fair and quite justified. KyoAni aren't producing content for your market interests. You clearly stated yourself, Sunrise is. Yet, because KyoAni are producing moé shows, you feel somehow offended? There are plenty of studios out there that are catering to your tastes, and plenty of shows/content for you to consume that meets said tastes. Why then, this discussion?

Best wishes,


-Andiyar

[velocity7]

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Could I make a suggestion, fellas? Drop the anime company discussion? It's way too off-topic in this thread.

Instead, talk about CLANNAD, like you should be. Or the CLANNAD project. Up to you.

[Sorrow-K]

Why have people just conveniently forgotten for the sake of argument that one of the most gripping military dramas of the last two years, FMP!TSR was a Kyoto Animation series? Many of Kaioshin_Sama's arguments hold no weight unless he addresses FMP!TSR (and I know he hasn't seen it), since it's existence alone pretty much disproves much of what he's saying regarding KyoAni's apparent dismissal of fans of mecha/action/"intellectual" series. (And, let's face it, a significant percentage of mecha anime dance on that line between 'intellectual' and pseudo-intellectual).

Ok, we all got it ages ago that you've somehow come to the conclusion that the existence of moe in anime somehow threatens intellectual plots, which were prominent in the 80s and 90s (not true... not in a decade that brought us such non-hits Devil Hunter Yohko, Gundam Wing, Fatal Fury and a hell of a lot of mediocrity) and somehow dying post 2000 (again not true). Ignoring momentarily that these genre are somehow a relic of the past (not true, mecha is still prominent post-2000 with the Seed series, E7, RahXephon, FMP and countless others, just as intellectual adventure shounen isn't dead with series like FMA, etc). But the problem a lot of us have with mecha series and much of the action genre in general, particularly the Seed series, is that there's a real dearth of true originality in such series and many are just recycling the same plotlines over and over.

Sure, slice-of-life and moe series are doing the same thing with its characters, but the difference is that they tend to be character-focused and slight variations to the characters can still make them seem fresh... while it takes more than slight variations to a stale plot we've seen a million times before to make it seem fresh. These genres can more readily get away with merely evolving with time rather than having to re-invent themselves with totally new concepts because all it takes to enjoy such series are likable characters and likable characters can generally be cut from the same sheet provided the execution of the series (ie, atmosphere, directing, visuals, use of background and development) is good enough to make us care about the characters. For plot-focuses series, unless you're doing something totally new, it's hard to care and/or not find yourself muttering "didn't I see this all before in <insert slightly older anime here>"... which is why so many mecha and action titles (action more than mecha in this case) are so completely throwaway.

And, I totally disagree with you're dismissal of 2005-mid 2006, since it was, IMO, a particularly rich time in anime. We saw Monster, Mushishi, Gankutsuou all within that time... three anime which will almost inevitably be discussed among the best of the decade, (hell, I'd unabashedly say these three titles are among the best of all time), once the decade has finished. We also saw brilliant titles including Honey & Clover, FMP!TSR, BECK, Fantastic Children, ARIA, Akagi, Bokura ga Ita, Nana, Haruhi and Noein in that time, just to name a few. Notice a trend with these series, btw: most of them are character-focused drama and/or slice-of-life. But these are the titles that I among others critically acclaim and if you wish to choose to conveniently ignore them, that's fine.

You're also wrong about moe as a consequence of dating sim games. Moe is, like almost everything in anime, something that's been slowly evolving over time from as early as the 80s. Otonashi Kyoko from Maison Ikkoku immediately comes to mind as one of the early tsundere archetypes. Wiki cites a The Castle of Cagliostro character as one of the first moe characters. Arguments could be made Miyazaki's Nausicaa, Sheeta (Laputa) and Kiki are moe characters (although some of that may be me clutching at straws). Hell, My-HiME's Tokiha Mai reflects many of the characteristics of Nausicaa in an anime made 21 years afterwards, and she's a moe character... but at the same time, like many other so-called moe characters, she's a lot more than that. So, I think you're wrong about that.

What I think a lot of us would like to see on Kaioshin_Sama's part is a little more acceptance of the whole phenomenon, and a little less dismissiveness when so-called moe-antics get in the way of the story. Drawing a line at 1/4 moe is a ridiculous thing to do, if you ask me. Titles like My-HiME, Suzumiya Haruhi, Higurashi and Kanon which do, admittedly, burn an amount of time on such antics still manage to maintain an oustanding story and lots of character development once you get past that. Hell, one of your pet 2006 series in Welcome to the NHK (I'm trying to figure out what this series had that a lot of the other series I mentioned before didn't, because I actually thought it was rather mediocre by its end) almost completely burnt one of its main characters on moe antics and I don't hear you berating that. Burning time on such things is fair enough provided you make the time to come back to these characters and give them the attention they deserve later (and provided it's entertaining), but when you almost completely cripple a character like NHK did with Misaki, it's much more difficult to forgive, IMO.

The point I'm trying to make is, at the end of the day, when you judge an anime, the genre shouldn't matter, since all genres have the same intention: to entertain (just in different ways). It's the execution that really should be the defining thing. And all genres have their share of well-executed and poorly-executed titles. I think I'd just like to see a more open-minded approach to the whole thing, rather than an instant dismissal at the first signs of things that, for the majority of us, don't really have a huge bearing either way on our opinion of the show.

[velocity7]

Woah guys, seriously, drop the rant. It's derailing the thread like mad.

And Kaoshin_Sama, if it tickles your fancy, there's a whole bunch of Gundam references in CLANNAD.

[Skane]

Random Thoughts on CLANNAD Preview:
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Not really liking the vibes being emitted by the main heroine, but don't worry. This is normal. I seldom adore the main heroine in most anime that I have watched.
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No impression about the male lead. The preview was more focused on the girls, Nagisa in particular. I hope the fanartists don't disappoint me and come up with Strawberry Panic crossover-fanart. :)
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So... after a weird dog and an unnaturally tame cat, they decided to go with a fuzzy-wuzzy boar? :heh: O-kay.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3659/pighz9.th.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pighz9.jpg)
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Despite having no real knowledge of the girls' traits, I have decided to shamelessly cast my vote for this one. A girl that has the blessing of KyoAni's "trademark" Lambda Driver special effects? Sounds good to me.

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/853/winpw9.th.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=winpw9.jpg)

Of course... if "tradition" holds true, this girl will become sidelined shortly thereafter( or simply marginalised) leaving me to angst over the unfairness of life. :p
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On the flip side, the following girl invokes feelings of horror and trepidation. Is she brain-dead? Mentally-impaired? Am I suppose to laugh at this scene? If so, it is not working.

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2931/failud4.th.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=failud4.jpg)

She IS cute-looking, but I am sorry. Straws up one's nose subtracts heavily from your adorableness-scale.
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As a wild-card, this girl might be one.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4078/hmmtn0.th.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hmmtn0.jpg)

Her character design is sufficiently unique enough to pique my interest. I just hope her personality is not grating.

Cheers.

[velocity7]

@Skane:
- Nagisa is actually not too bad for a main heroine, you might like her.
- Tomoyo's "Lambda Driver" is actually her infamous 64-hit combo on Sunohara. A must-see. It's even in the game as well. Though she should be doing punches too... (cue Hokuto no Ken jokes)
- That thing with the straw in Fuuko's nose... better you play the game for more context on the main character playing pranks on her.
- Kyou = win. Too bad she's going to get sidetracked in the anime... game's a different story though. I don't recall the dictionaries being called "murder dictionaries" (as Sushi-Y calls them), as I am translating her route in the game at the moment. Though, calling them that might not be too far from the truth. :heh:


You could say that in the game, going with any girl other than Nagisa leads to an alternate universe of sorts. The reason I say this is that, if Tomoya gets together with say, Kyou, they both fall in love with each other and it stays that way. If that happens, Tomoya isn't getting with any other girls at all, period.

Unlike Kanon and AIR, where the main characters of each had the luxury of just being friends with the girls and trying to solve their problems, in CLANNAD each "version" of Tomoya has to collect a light from making girls happy (by being their boyfriend and all). Lights are important to the game, and to the anime, as it is the Illusionary World (幻想世界) we are talking about. That's the mass amount of lights we see in the first five seconds of the anime preview.

[Aoie_Emesai]

Nagisa
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/319/0291ab5.th.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0291ab5.jpg) http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9484/claassp9.th.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=claassp9.jpg) http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3159/hyousinagisazs0.th.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hyousinagisazs0.jpg) http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7640/clannad001tk0.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clannad001tk0.jpg) http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8717/061004ay8.th.jpg (http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=061004ay8.jpg)

Mostly Kyou (a little Ryou)
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/571/060326ayi9.th.jpg (http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=060326ayi9.jpg) http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4502/key18mq2.th.jpg (http://img259.imageshack.us/my.php?image=key18mq2.jpg) http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/9131/200508011122874922860bg2.th.jpg (http://img373.imageshack.us/my.php?image=200508011122874922860bg2.jpg) http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3301/20060909clannadnc6.th.jpg (http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20060909clannadnc6.jpg) http://img471.imageshack.us/img471/4863/0606012fz3.th.jpg (http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0606012fz3.jpg)

Tomoyo
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8437/061014alo9.th.jpg (http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=061014alo9.jpg) http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5391/0289ng3.th.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0289ng3.jpg) http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/5146/287tf3.th.png (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=287tf3.png) http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/5060/20050112clannadvr6.th.jpg (http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20050112clannadvr6.jpg) http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/6970/16916ew8.th.jpg (http://img472.imageshack.us/my.php?image=16916ew8.jpg)

Fuko
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/3061/20050529clannadas8.th.jpg (http://img257.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20050529clannadas8.jpg) http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/386/clannad003ug8.th.jpg (http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clannad003ug8.jpg) http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/9038/hukodc4.th.jpg (http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hukodc4.jpg) http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/8434/20050927hitoderv0.th.jpg (http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20050927hitoderv0.jpg) http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7311/200506301120127500399dz9.th.jpg (http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=200506301120127500399dz9.jpg) http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3868/fukojf9.th.jpg (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fukojf9.jpg)

We finally get some more mature looking characters ^_^. /cheers

[Sheba]

No impression about the male lead. The preview was more focused on the girls, Nagisa in particular. I hope the fanartists don't disappoint me and come up with Strawberry Panic crossover-fanart.



Nice to see someone who want the same things from fanartists. >;3

[houkoholic]

I like my mecha and I like my VN. The great thing about anime is that its diversity and many talents can allow both to *co-exists*, haven't all these anime we watch told us enough times already that no single being can do everything and be good at everything? So I'd just like Sunrise do what they do best and let Kyoani do that as well so I can continue to get excellent shows like Code Geass, yuusha series, (some) Gundam, Key adaptations and light novel adaptations.

That said, Clannad is just a monster, it's definitely going to be harder to animate than both Kanon and AIR as it has elements of what made both hard to adapt in it - AIR's scope and Kanon's interwining nature. I can see that a lot the experience they would had gain from AIR and Kanon should help them greatly when adapting Clannad.

[nani]

Although I was half-expecting KyoAni to make some crazy announcement at the end of Kanon (they did the same at the end of AIR), but a Clannad TV series is totally beyond my expectation. I am pleasantly surprised.

Somehow, my favorite scene from the promotional video is Sanae's sobbing scene, reminds me a lot of what Misuzu will look like when she grow up.



Despite having no real knowledge of the girls' traits, I have decided to shamelessly cast my vote for this one. A girl that has the blessing of KyoAni's "trademark" Lambda Driver special effects? Sounds good to me.

Of course... if "tradition" holds true, this girl will become sidelined shortly thereafter( or simply marginalised) leaving me to angst over the unfairness of life. :p


Two words: Tomoyo After (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomoyo_after)


On the flip side, the following girl invokes feelings of horror and trepidation. Is she brain-dead? Mentally-impaired? Am I suppose to laugh at this scene? If so, it is not working.

She IS cute-looking, but I am sorry. Straws up one's nose subtracts heavily from your adorableness-scale.


It's very difficult to defend Fuuko without spoiling her story. Let's just say that I cried a lot at the end of Fuuko's story. Hopefully, you will be the same when her story is finished..... :heh:

[Daniel E.]

After reading the few manga chapters available, I noticed a few things that remind me of Kanon.

Just out of curiosity..... what was made first? Clannad or Kanon?

[Klashikari]

Kanon first. (1999 IIRC, while CLANNAD should be around 2003-2004)

Nojima Kenji, who was announced as Tomoya's voice actor for the upcoming CLANNAD drama CDs, would be an awesome choice, I think (think Nanaya Shiki from Melty Blood).if Melty Blood Nanaya Shiki's seyuu becomes the male lead voice, it WILL be gorgeous (plain and simple : utter absurd charisma ! )

[Shiroth]

Just out of curiosity..... what was made first? Clannad or Kanon?
Kanon, Air then CLANNAD.

(It was answered just a minute before me. :3)

[Deathkillz]

Tomoyo
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8437/061014alo9.th.jpg (http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=061014alo9.jpg) http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5391/0289ng3.th.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0289ng3.jpg) http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/5146/287tf3.th.png (http://img364.imageshack.us/my.php?image=287tf3.png) http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/5060/20050112clannadvr6.th.jpg (http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20050112clannadvr6.jpg) http://img472.imageshack.us/img472/6970/16916ew8.th.jpg (http://img472.imageshack.us/my.php?image=16916ew8.jpg)

looking at the trailer...this girl shone like a burning star...the mai type with more kick ass kungfu action? :twitch:

yep i can say that kyoani is on a roll here :3

[velocity7]

To be honest though...

Even if it is Kyoto Animation, no matter how good their storytelling style, this will be the Key game where we will see massive changes. And when I mean massive, I mean changes that require the original writers to come in and help work out how each girl's story will be told during the school year until the After Story. The storyline, though it won't probably match 50% of what the game is, will be as faithful as it gets, in my opinion.

The only way Kyoto Animation will get the anime any higher than 50% is to implement alternate universe arcs (all of which influence a main arc), and that's not something that's going to happen easily.

[DanielSong39]

I think there are many ways to make a "faithful" adaptation.

According to fans of Kyoto Animation, the definition of a "faithful" adaptation is to make some amalgam that does justice to each one of the girl's paths. But let's not forget that the GAME itself does not have such a path - it has several separate paths that explore a particular girl's scenario in full.

I would prefer to see just one girl's path (in this case, Nagisa) explored in full, while the other girls play a side role and perhaps get an episode or two - in a way, they can be "truer" to the source material by adapting a particular story in the novel.

But if the director of Kanon 2006 is in charge of this, I wouldn't be surprised if we see more of the same. Keeping my fingers crossed, however - and hoping that this will blow Kanon 2006 out of the water.

[White Manju Bun]

Yeah after just seeing the preview for this after Kanon, this is on my too watch list!

[Daniel E.]

Kanon first. (1999 IIRC, while CLANNAD should be around 2003-2004)

Kanon, Air then CLANNAD.

(It was answered just a minute before me. :3)

So, Kanon is the oldest then.

Hmmm..For some reason, I though it was the other way around (Clannad being the first made). Guess I guessed wrong. :p :heh:

Anyway, hope the anouncement of the Tv series encourages the scanlators to work on some more chapters in the future. :)

EDIT:

Oh yes, thanks for answering! :)

[Klashikari]

I think there are many ways to make a "faithful" adaptation.
there are indeed several ways to be "faithful" (example : keep the philolosophy of the original writer, while changing the story itself, without attracting any berserking fans wrath)

According to fans of Kyoto Animation, the definition of a "faithful" adaptation is to make some amalgam that does justice to each one of the girl's paths. But let's not forget that the GAME itself does not have such a path - it has several separate paths that explore a particular girl's scenario in full.quite not... as we could see, people consider "faithful", because the anime was able to stitch all arcs, with the least flaws possible and creative ways to merge the arcs without any plothole.


I would prefer to see just one girl's path (in this case, Nagisa) explored in full, while the other girls play a side role and perhaps get an episode or two - in a way, they can be "truer" to the source material by adapting a particular story in the novel.that's your opinion, and it is fully understandable.
i prefer the other way around : since my inability to explore the source material fustrates me a LOT, an anime adaptation covering most of the original story is a nice service. why ? because it reduces the possibilities of plotholes, and also give more insights about most characters traits, and the real depth of the story. (in example, Shingetstuan Tsukihime gave like... not even 20% of the whole story altogether, which is pretty sad. arcueid is pretty poor in comparaison to Hisui and Kohaku, but meh... that's my opinion)

indeed, it doesn't help the process, since it will enlarge the required ressource, and might miss some points for most characters.
however, that will be the studio responsability to reduce at most theses black points.

But if the director of Kanon 2006 is in charge of this, I wouldn't be surprised if we see more of the same. Keeping my fingers crossed, however - and hoping that this will blow Kanon 2006 out of the water.at least, i would prefer to have a NICE anime, which would explain the gamers hype around CLANNAD (which i already understood a bit, via AIR and Kanon 2006), rather than blowing Kanon (especially that, according the comments, it isn't really the same archtype story)

[Kaioshin Sama]

I like my mecha and I like my VN. The great thing about anime is that its diversity and many talents can allow both to *co-exists*, haven't all these anime we watch told us enough times already that no single being can do everything and be good at everything? So I'd just like Sunrise do what they do best and let Kyoani do that as well so I can continue to get excellent shows like Code Geass, yuusha series, (some) Gundam, Key adaptations and light novel adaptations.

That said, Clannad is just a monster, it's definitely going to be harder to animate than both Kanon and AIR as it has elements of what made both hard to adapt in it - AIR's scope and Kanon's interwining nature. I can see that a lot the experience they would had gain from AIR and Kanon should help them greatly when adapting Clannad.

That sounds very reasonable. It's a lack of that kind of balance normally that causes me to post like I do. Everywhere I go I get to hear how horrible everything I enjoy is and how all my favourite shows are devoid of character,and how Moe could solve any problem in any of these shows have (and yes I actually do see that all over the place). Normally when I try to defend them I get told how wrong I am, then when I try to point out fault with why Moe isn't a cure for all that ails you I'm wrong again. So then I get to see one of my other pet peeves in the unbudging double standard.

In case nobody knows what I'm talking about its the Kyoshiro To Towa Sora board with comments about how if you remove the mecha and leave the moe it becomes "much better and bearable". Another example, the very clever H-Game opening parody to Code Geass is now being cited as what would make Code Geass a better show on Youtube and other boards.

So if you guys are under light scrutiny in an attempt to learn more, I'm under constant shelling from all sides both in my own territory and when I come onto niche boards to see what's what. I know how upsetting it can be to see your favourite genre appear to be assaulted and ripped at as its almost a constant for me, so I'll gladly call a ceasefire now, but I have nothing against Moe at all, if I did I wouldn't have this avatar. Sorrow-K got it perfectly when he said he "gets it already". The 1/4 rule is necessary when I have so many shows I'm watching and I don't feel like wasting my time on too many antics, and its not just Moe antics, its time wasters of all kinds, that just happens to be what the time waster is 90% of the time. If anyone wants to continue arguing with me fine, but really I have nothing left right now that I haven't explained. I don't really think I've left anything in here to fight about though.

Anyway On-Topic the Boar-Pig looks cool and I don't know exactly what is up with the Chun-Li flurry kick, but its kind of neat too. I also don't know anything about Gundam references but if they do exist it would be quite the olive branch. I usually only see them coming from my side of the equation, which makes me very happy by the way as I'm always open to anything that makes Mecha more easily accesible to groups other than the base fandom. Rarely is it the other way around, the expection being Pani Poni Dash. I'm quite curious, can someone elaborate?

[Quajafrie]

So Haruhi will be delayed? God damn KyoAni.

[Shiroth]

So Haruhi will be delayed? God damn KyoAni.
Who said anything about delayed? Nothing has been mentioned on CLANNAD'S air date (though i'm hoping Spring 2008 --- if you get what i mean).

[Julius Firefocht]

Clannad anime announced when I had not yet gotten over the awesomeness that is Kanon?

*bows to KyoAni and Haruhi-sama and grovels to them*

We are not worthy! We are not worthy!

[Skyfall]

So Haruhi will be delayed? God damn KyoAni.

If i am not mistaken, nothing official was ever mentioned about Haruhi 2 in the first place... outside of fan's drooling fantasies that is :heh:

[Theclow]

I'll get this out of the way now,
1. Prepare of all out avatar request hell, when this airs, pelli if you're reading this ill probabaly break the record again, run while you can.
2. I declare myself a kyou/ryou/tomoyo fan, *Sets up shrines early*.
Now we wait, it's going to be a long wait :heh:.

[Vexx]

Its quite impressive how many assumptions are being made about when the show will air and how it will delay SHnY or whatever ... all lack veracity.

1) KyoAni has announced they will make Clannad... no date was mentioned.
2) KyoAni is releasing Lucky*Star for the next season (starting April).
3) Nothing has been said about the summer season or any later season.
4) There has been no official announcement of a second season for Haruhi (though the buzz is exceptionally hot).

Plenty of room in those facts for a Fall/Winter/Spring (pick one) of Clannad and for a hypothesized SHnY2...

Personally, I blame credibility damaged sites like ANN and others for republishing blog hints and offhand comments as if they were facts instead of properly bagging them as UNCONFIRMED. ANN was saying Fall release for Clannad the other day as if it were fact when there are no cites for that at all.

I mean, I heard from someone who is *friends* with the wife of Ken A. (as in they have each other over and eat dinner) that the "special announcement" about Negima in April would be a Live Action Show. Very interesting and worth discussion ---- but it still has very little credibility since Ken's wife could be just as much in the buzz-gen loop. My acquaintence is simply reporting what she was told by an unofficial source, eh? Wakarimashita ka?

[Daniel E.]

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So... after a weird dog and an unnaturally tame cat, they decided to go with a fuzzy-wuzzy boar? :heh: O-kay.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3659/pighz9.th.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pighz9.jpg)
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From the few things I have seen in both the manga and the promo, this has to be the one thing I have not liked so far. I always hated P-Chan in Ranma 1/2, and this little fellow here certainly reminds me of him. :p

[FireChick]

Actually, according to Wikipedia, Button is a baby warthog.

[cyth]

Personally, I blame credibility damaged sites like ANN and others for republishing blog hints and offhand comments as if they were facts instead of properly bagging them as UNCONFIRMED. ANN was saying Fall release for Clannad the other day as if it were fact when there are no cites for that at all.

I mean, I heard from someone who is *friends* with the wife of Ken A. (as in they have each other over and eat dinner) that the "special announcement" about Negima in April would be a Live Action Show. Very interesting and worth discussion ---- but it still has very little credibility since Ken's wife could be just as much in the buzz-gen loop. My acquaintence is simply reporting what she was told by an unofficial source, eh? Wakarimashita ka?Err, about the Live Action show, MOON PHASE has reported that Akamatsu Ken's blog had an entry mentioning this, but was later removed. Besides, cyan-san rarely posts underclaimed speculations.

And about ANN: Their japanese news are usually dug up by their helpers, ANN Encyclopedia staff, people that don't get paid. After a lengthy discussion with one of the encyclopedists, he admitted that ANN senior editors, people who get paid to write on their site, don't know the japanese language at all. Even though they've been into this profession for years! God forbid they'd use tools to help them translate foreign news entries (they're pretty useful, actually; ATLAS, Infoseek's web translation). Even though ANN made a pile of "Errata" in the past week, they usually wait for confirmation, unlike AnimeNewsService i.e.

Anyway, if one wants to start a separate discussion in another topic about news sources, I'll gladly post the discussion I had with the encyclopedist, because I think we're getting pretty off-topic with this thread. But hey, I remember AIR's thread getting into similar off-topics back in the day. :heh:

[Sushi-Y]

Lol this will be a long post.

Not really liking the vibes being emitted by the main heroine, but don't worry. This is normal. I seldom adore the main heroine in most anime that I have watched.
If you're basing that simply on the trailers, then I wouldn't worry too much, since it doesn't really represent anything significant.

Despite having no real knowledge of the girls' traits, I have decided to shamelessly cast my vote for this one. A girl that has the blessing of KyoAni's "trademark" Lambda Driver special effects? Sounds good to me.
Yeah, the graphical upgrade is impressive. :heh: The game's graphics looked "primitive" compared to that:
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9383/cl4ih2.th.png (http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cl4ih2.png)
:heh:

On the flip side, the following girl invokes feelings of horror and trepidation. Is she brain-dead? Mentally-impaired? Am I suppose to laugh at this scene? If so, it is not working.
When the anime starts and we reach this part of the story, remind me to post a link back to your post here so the swarm of new Fuuko Master wannabes that would have amassed by then will put you on a stake and burn you alive. :heh:

- Kyou = win. Too bad she's going to get sidetracked in the anime... game's a different story though. I don't recall the dictionaries being called "murder dictionaries" (as Sushi-Y calls them), as I am translating her route in the game at the moment. Though, calling them that might not be too far from the truth. :heh:
Her story is, in my opinion, one of the weaker ones due to it being rather typical. Combined with the fact that the one big final twist in her route is heavily based on romance elements, I fear she might get the short end of the stick in the anime.

And those dictionaries are really more like 1500-page sniper rounds. :heh:


You could say that in the game, going with any girl other than Nagisa leads to an alternate universe of sorts. The reason I say this is that, if Tomoya gets together with say, Kyou, they both fall in love with each other and it stays that way. If that happens, Tomoya isn't getting with any other girls at all, period.

Unlike Kanon and AIR, where the main characters of each had the luxury of just being friends with the girls and trying to solve their problems, in CLANNAD each "version" of Tomoya has to collect a light from making girls happy (by being their boyfriend and all). Lights are important to the game, and to the anime, as it is the Illusionary World (幻想世界) we are talking about. That's the mass amount of lights we see in the first five seconds of the anime preview.

First, I don't think they'll make Tomoya "go" with anyone except Nagisa. The entire latter half the game is all about her, after all. It's important that Tomoya "completes" all the other heroines' and subcharacters' routes though, since he'll need their light orbs later.

This is probably the first game where the true heroine is decided right from the beginning, since only Nagisa had an After Story (which is more like the main story). It would be great if a version of After Story existed for every heroine (well, Tomoyo has Tomoyo After, so I guess she wins too :heh: ), but if even Kyou, Kotomi, and Fuuko had an After Story of their own, we'd probably still be playing the game today. :heh:

Somehow, my favorite scene from the promotional video is Sanae's sobbing scene, reminds me a lot of what Misuzu will look like when she grow up.
Sanae-san's boke level is abnormal (just look at the triple antenna and you can tell :heh: ). But she's also probably the greatest mother out of all Key games, imo.

It's very difficult to defend Fuuko without spoiling her story. Let's just say that I cried a lot at the end of Fuuko's story. Hopefully, you will be the same when her story is finished..... :heh:
I remember it being a totally unexpected hit for me too. There were no misty eyes or anything, it just came out of nowhere and I went straight to tears. :(

I would prefer to see just one girl's path (in this case, Nagisa) explored in full, while the other girls play a side role and perhaps get an episode or two - in a way, they can be "truer" to the source material by adapting a particular story in the novel.
Actually, in CLANNAD's case, that will most likely be the format since that's pretty much what it was like in the game. Everyone will get their own scenarios (although many are intertwined, which is actually good news for an anime adaptation), just like a typical bishojo game. But only Nagisa had an After Story (which is where the heart of the game actually lies).

Who said anything about delayed? Nothing has been mentioned on CLANNAD'S air date (though i'm hoping Spring 2008 --- if you get what i mean).
According to the CLANNAD TV article (http://eg.nttpub.co.jp/news/20070316_05.html) on eg, a game news site, the airing date is listed as 2007.

The speculation continues. :heh: Maybe we'll find out when the official site updates in 3 days.

I'll get this out of the way now,
1. Prepare of all out avatar request hell, when this airs, pelli if you're reading this ill probabaly break the record again, run while you can.
2. I declare myself a kyou/ryou/tomoyo fan, *Sets up shrines early*.
Now we wait, it's going to be a long wait :heh:.
There's going to be a Fuuko Master club or something too. :heh:
Maybe we'll use this as an emblem:
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3142/45318941655902iv4.jpg

Finally, according to Animate TV online shop (http://shop.frontierworks.jp/sakuhin.asp?workid=3&feature_cls=), there's going to be a special campaign held in celebration of the announcement of CLANNAD TV anime: in addition to the angel keychain that you can get for buying every Kanon DVD volumes by sending in the application postcards included in each volume, you will also receive a DVD of "CLANNAD Invitation", which will include the no-credit version of CLANNAD's TV OP and ED, plus promotion clips.

Err, about the Live Action show, MOON PHASE has reported that Akamatsu Ken's blog had an entry mentioning this, but was later removed. Besides, cyan-san rarely posts underclaimed speculations.
Not that I care what they do to the Negima franchise now, but
real-life Negi = 萌えない罠

[relentlessflame]

Finally, according to Animate TV online shop (http://shop.frontierworks.jp/sakuhin.asp?workid=3&feature_cls=), there's going to be a special campaign held in celebration of the announcement of CLANNAD TV anime: in addition to the angel keychain that you can get for buying every Kanon DVD volumes by sending in the application postcards included in each volume, you will also receive a DVD of "CLANNAD Invitation", which will conclude the no-credit version of CLANNAD's TV OP and ED, plus promotion clips.Now that's a good deal. Incidentally, the timing of the arrival of the last Kanon DVD (early August), and the time when people would receive the send-in offer items (late-August/early-September), would definitely support the rumoured Fall 2007 (October) start (which ties nicely to the mid-September movie). Obviously that's just speculation, but it all seems to be lining up nicely. If I were a betting person, that's where I'd place my chips.

[Theclow]

When the anime starts and we reach this part of the story, remind me to post a link back to your post here so the swarm of new Fuuko Master wannabes that would have amassed by then will put you on a stake and burn you alive. :heh:
Let me help with that :heh:.

There's going to be a Fuuko Master club or something too. :heh:
Maybe we'll use this as an emblem:
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3142/45318941655902iv4.jpg
Don't get me wrong I'm a Fuuko fan too and I will probably join that club :heh:, but I was just stating my top 3.(Ill leave the Fuuko shrine up to you.)
(I have a cursed gift to always like the charaters that get thrashed.)

[Quajafrie]

Well, many people in this thread were certain that Clannad would come before SHNY, so I thought that was the case. And about Haruhi, if I'm not mistaken, I think there was a 'message' in the official site that came from the Disappearance book? I don't think that counts as an "official announcement", but still...

[Sheba]

Don't expect a second season of Haruhi until there are an official announcement.

[MakubeX2]

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/1410/yufv4.jpg

Even though we have seen some official clip, but the eyes in this promo art seem kinda huge compared to even those of AIR and Kanon.

●ＴＶアニメ「Ｋａｎｏｎ」ＤＶＤ全巻購入応募特典として、
ＴＶアニメ「ＣＬＡＮＮＡＤ」スペシャルＤＶＤ「ＣＬＡＮＮＡＤ　Ｉｎｖｉｔａｔｉｏｎ」を追 加！　
【全巻購入応募特典】『天使のキーホルダー　ミニチュア・サイズ』に加え、
同応募ハガキにて『スペシャルＤＶＤ「ＣＬＡＮＮＡＤ　Ｉｎｖｉｔａｔｉｏｎ』ももれなくプレ ゼント決定！
＜収録予定内容＞
ＴＶアニメ「ＣＬＡＮＮＡＤ」ノンクレジットＯＰ＆ＥＤ・プロモーションクリップ

Base on this info, if KyoAni wants to keep the mood, CLANNAD will only see release in Spring'08. But then we got AIR in Spring....

[Daniel E.]

Requesting help from Clannad fans !! :)

Some friends and I have been helping out the animesuki staff in the addition of more predefined avatars for the members to choose from in their CP section.

This has been going along for a while now, and back then, I wasn't familiar with the Clannad characters at all. After reading the manga, I am 99% certain that at least some of these avis are from this show.

So, can someone help me ID the characters in these avatars?


http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/869/avitest17lw0.jpg http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6438/avitest18pu5.jpg http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4828/avitest19dv1.jpg http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3816/avitest20es2.jpg http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2039/avitest22tt2.jpg


http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/937/avitest23rk5.jpg http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1872/avitest24jt4.jpg http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5778/avitest26ky4.jpg http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1153/avitest25pn7.jpg

Because they are in chibi-mode, I feel like asking just to be 100% sure about their names.

Hope someone can help me out with this. :)

[Shiroth]

if KyoAni wants to keep the mood, CLANNAD will only see release in Spring'08. But then we got AIR in Spring....
Yeah, i've mentioned in the past how i wish AIR was aired in the summer, but then again its perfect rewatch at that time of year.

Still, i have high hopes that Spring '08 shall see CLANNAD.

[DanielSong39]

I'd love to see a CLANNAD vs. D.C. II duel starting in Spring '08.

It's one of the battles that will likely have no losers... excited at the possibility of having two top-notch dating sim conversions going on at once.

Until then - perhaps School Days might fill the void? The only concern is that this is being done by the Shuffle! team - which mangled the character designs and the plotlines in their previous adaptation. But hopefully they'll show a lot of improvement this time around.

[Orrin]

I haven't gotten around to play Clannad myself yet but I belive I can name some of those avatars.

Fuuko Ibuki, Kyou Fujibayashi, Ryou Fujibayashi, Yukine Miyazawa, Kouko Ibuki (im uncertain about this one), Mei Sunohara.
Nagisa Furukawa, I'm uncertain about the last three (It isn't Tomoyo, Sanae and Misae right?).

[Deiran]

I haven't gotten around to play Clannad myself yet but I belive I can name some of those avatars.

Fuuko Ibuki, Kyou Fujibayashi, Ryou Fujibayashi, Yukine Miyazawa, Kouko Ibuki (im uncertain about this one), Mei Sunohara.
Nagisa Furukawa, I'm uncertain about the last three (It isn't Tomoyo, Sanae and Misae right?).

The one between Mei and Yukine is Ushio, the one beside Nagisa looks like Yumemi from Planetarian, not sure about last two though.:twitch:

[stonedzombie]

there was someone on these boards for the longest time that had a Clannad sig. that basically was begging for it to become an anime. I thought I'd see that person going crazy on this thread but looks like he isn't he anymore.

[Skyfall]

looks like he isn't he anymore.

Now that... is a scary thought 0_o

:heh:

[Sushi-Y]

the one beside Nagisa looks like Yumemi from Planetarian, not sure about last two though.
:twitch:

The last three aren't CLANNAD characters.

[stonedzombie]

Now that... is a scary thought 0_o

:heh:

lol, whoops

[Skane]

~ Two words: Tomoyo After (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomoyo_after)
~
It's very difficult to defend Fuuko without spoiling her story. Let's just say that I cried a lot at the end of Fuuko's story. Hopefully, you will be the same when her story is finished..... :heh:
In response to the former, but does this mean we will get to see that spinoff in this series? I doubt so. I am heartened to know that she was popular enough to warrant a standalone game for herself, but what of her status in the original game that is going to be the basis for this anime adaptation? That is my worry. :heh:

Oh just look at me. I barely know anything about Tomoyo and I am already restless about her potential treatment in the TV-series. :p

As for the latter, I felt that Makoto's story was the saddest in Kanon, but Makoto was never amongst my top favourites. The... emotional sadness in one's arc is not what solely determines my interest in the heroine.
So Haruhi will be delayed? God damn KyoAni.
Hold that thought, buster; and go stand in line. You have little right to complain about a delayed sequel until you have experienced a wait similar to us "Full Metal Panic!" fans.

Yes, FMP!. You know... that other series being handled by KyoAni? Gawds, I swear sometimes people forget what shows there are that KyoAni has done( Key this, SHnY that). :frustrated: Munto anyone?
Actually, according to Wikipedia, Button is a baby warthog.
Well, that was why I used the generic term, "boar". :)
If you're basing that simply on the trailers, then I wouldn't worry too much, since it doesn't really represent anything significant.

That is comforting to hear.
When the anime starts and we reach this part of the story, remind me to post a link back to your post here so the swarm of new Fuuko Master wannabes that would have amassed by then will put you on a stake and burn you alive. :heh:

What happens then, if... hypothetically saying, I end up being in the club? :heh: Regardless, my first impression of Fuuko is a negative one. Shallow as it might be. :p

Cheers.

[FatPianoBoy]

The more I read/translate of Fuuko's arch (been busy lately, so I've stalled :heh:), the closer I am to signing up for this Fuuko Master club. Kyou's nice, with her lethal dictionaries and baby warthog, but Fuuko is in the lead for now. I haven't gotten through much of the other girls' archs yet, as translation is taking priority to enjoyment.

It's been bugging me a lot that KyoAni's other projects (and Kyoani themselves) keep getting dragged into the topic on CLANNAD. While I'm glad that we were finally able to contain all the bickering over the studio, I'd like to point out that, if CLANNAD airs in spring - which I think would be a nice touch, considering the timeframe - there's a cute little gap in their fall season where they have yet to put anything.
Unless Lucky*Star is actually 24/26 episodes, and I'm looking like an idiot.

[relentlessflame]

While I'm glad that we were finally able to contain all the bickering over the studio, I'd like to point out that, if CLANNAD airs in spring - which I think would be a nice touch, considering the timeframe - there's a cute little gap in their fall season where they have yet to put anything.
Unless Lucky*Star is actually 24/26 episodesWell, even if Lucky Star is 26 episodes, the fall and winter seasons remain. If Lucky Star is 12/13 episodes, the summer season remains as well. Between now and next Spring there are 4 timeblocks they could conceivable run anime in while still doing one show at a time (we know at least one of them is Lucky Star). Of course, they could certainly leave gaps as well. The bottom line is that the scheduling concerns were very premature. Who knows...

[Sushi-Y]

In response to the former, but does this mean we will get to see that spinoff in this series? I doubt so. I am heartened to know that she was popular enough to warrant a standalone game for herself, but what of her status in the original game that is going to be the basis for this anime adaptation? That is my worry. :heh:
Chances are, people who like Tomoyo will be left wanting for more when the anime is through with her.

What happens then, if... hypothetically saying, I end up being in the club? :heh:
Then you will lament at the imprudence of your remarks back then while the rest of us pardon your sins by shoving straws up your nose.

I haven't gotten through much of the other girls' archs yet, as translation is taking priority to enjoyment.
You're translating as you play?

Good luck, I look forward to reading your translations in 2013. :heh:

[FatPianoBoy]

You're translating as you play?

Good luck, I look forward to reading your translations in 2013. :heh:

No, no, no :heh:
I haven't managed to secure a copy of the game yet (I'm waiting to combine the shipping with a large order, and I'm not in a position to do that right now), but I am contributing (very little, as I'm struggling with limited time and a limited vocabulary) to velocity07's project (http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/index.php?title=Clannad) and reading through some of the various bits, though it's certainly not the same as playing the game.

[Skane]

Then you will lament at the imprudence of your remarks back then while the rest of us pardon your sins by shoving straws up your nose.
Somehow or another, being burned at a stake sounds more appealing. :heh:

Cheers.

[velocity7]

Sushi-Y: Yeah, he's working on the project I'm on. :3

Did you get a chance to see how we're progressing recently?

[Kaioshin Sama]

From the few things I have seen in both the manga and the promo, this has to be the one thing I have not liked so far. I always hated P-Chan in Ranma 1/2, and this little fellow here certainly reminds me of him. :p

Wasn't P-Chan small enough to fit on Akane's shoulder though. This thing reminds me more of the first enemy you fight in Tales of Phantasia.

[Skane]

The one thing I want to immediately find out is the length of the series. If it is only one-cour in length, I will most likely go into a seizure and froth a little. For a story that has been proclaimed to be much longer in length than either Air or Kanon, one cour is simply cutting it too short.

Two cours is more likely, but I am not sure whether it will be sufficient time.

I am hoping for three cours, but this is most likely to be only a pipedream.

If, by some miracle of obscene cash infusion, they get to make a four-cour length CLANNAD, I might just go into a epileptic fit of ecstasy as well. :heh:

Cheers.

[Nightengale]

When you say epic length, don't you kind of specifically mean the entire story for all the girls?

Apparently Kanon for one can easily get away with it with proper intertwining of the solitary character stories and changing the romantic aspect to friend for most part, but from what I've heard (( never played Clannad, and not going to, after being horribly scarred by F/SN and Saiunkoku )) of Clannad, isn't the improbable for most part once it enters the "what's-that-phase-they-call-it?"

[nadare]

With all these talks about how are they gonna do CLANNAD, I wonder what path the manga took.

[Kaioshin Sama]

When you say epic length, don't you kind of specifically mean the entire story for all the girls?

Apparently Kanon for one can easily get away with it with proper intertwining of the solitary character stories and changing the romantic aspect to friend for most part, but from what I've heard (( never played Clannad, and not going to, after being horribly scarred by F/SN and Saiunkoku )) of Clannad, isn't the improbable for most part once it enters the "what's-that-phase-they-call-it?"

Everybody dies phase????:confused:

Oh one last thing. If Kyoto doesn't keep the voice actor for the hero who I think was Kentaro Ito, and they don't replace him with Sugita Tomakazu, there is a precedent for Hikaru Midorikawa being swapped out for Daisuke Ono in Air (One of their favourites who's been in practically everything they've ever done so as to make this a possibility. He's actually pretty darn cool in some of his roles too). I'm really chomping at the bit to see what they do with that one if nothing else. Also nobody told me what the Chun-Li/Hokuto No Ken flurry kick was about in the video.

[DanielSong39]

My guess is that the manga took the single path approach. I hope the anime does as well.

But anything's fair game at this point - especially with the Kanon 2006 director reprising his role.

[FatPianoBoy]

Also nobody told me what the Chun-Li/Hokuto No Ken flurry kick was about in the video.

It appears to be Tomoyo's legendary 64-hit combo. Don't quote me on that, though.

[NightWish]

Greetings. Due to an unforeseen error, the existing Clannad TV thread was inadvertantly deleted. Before anyone panics, it is quite possible to recover the thread...I've recovered most of the posts from the original thread. The last post was by justsomeguy on 2007-03-15 at 20:02 UTC. If any were made after that, but before monir posted the above notice, they're gone sadly. However, given the pace at which this thread is moving I think the loss can be weathered.

[velocity7]

It appears to be Tomoyo's legendary 64-hit combo. Don't quote me on that, though.

Go YouTube it. ;)

[Radiosity]

Awesome, now the old posts are back I can see the reply to my question. Thanks go to Sushi-Y for the info (since the server move took place before I could see her reply) :D

I am so totally looking forward to this, and can honestly say I haven't been looking forward to something this much in a long while :)

[nani]

Lol this will be a long post.
When the anime starts and we reach this part of the story, remind me to post a link back to your post here so the swarm of new Fuuko Master wannabes that would have amassed by then will put you on a stake and burn you alive. :heh:


Now that you mention it, I am wondering whether KyoAni will mention the term "Fuuko Master" in the animation at all.

Animating the actual prank is easy, but I am not sure how can they animate the Level-ups and Rank-changes. This is not a RPG afterall.:heh:



Requesting help from Clannad fans !! :)

So, can someone help me ID the characters in these avatars?

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1153/avitest25pn7.jpg


Looks like Sakura Shinguji from Sakura Taisen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sakura_Wars_characters#Main_Characters)


It appears to be Tomoyo's legendary 64-hit combo. Don't quote me on that, though.

That should be just a normal 8-hit combo.

Tomoyo should be wearing some special costume during the 64-hit combo scene.

[Owaranai Destiny]

Gosh darn...I see hints of raving already. Wish I could get a better heads up on the storyline from the game, though. I'll probably appear like a newbie again like with Kanon 2006. :heh:

Bets are on it airing some time after KyoAni's relatively done with their other projects, though. Quality over quantity.

[FatPianoBoy]

Go YouTube it. ;)

I did. Came up bupkiss.
I don't have the game (yet), so I just made a guess, since no one else was answering him.

[Daniel E.]

@ Orrin, Deiran

Thanks for the help Guys. :)

Wasn't P-Chan small enough to fit on Akane's shoulder though. This thing reminds me more of the first enemy you fight in Tales of Phantasia.

He better not get that big. :eyespin:

Looks like Sakura Shinguji from Sakura Taisen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sakura_Wars_characters#Main_Characters)


Thanks for the reply as well. :)

Anyway, like I said in another post, It would be interesting if this anime were to be +50 episodes long. I mean, if the material is there, why not try to use it?

[Kaioshin Sama]

Gosh darn...I see hints of raving already. Wish I could get a better heads up on the storyline from the game, though. I'll probably appear like a newbie again like with Kanon 2006. :heh:

Bets are on it airing some time after KyoAni's relatively done with their other projects, though. Quality over quantity.

There's a Wiki entry on it that doesn't appear to spoil anything important. Just assume that everybody has some tragic story and/or dies. I really honestly don't know but that's the precedent that Key has set with all of their games so its a guess.

[Sushi-Y]

Sushi-Y: Yeah, he's working on the project I'm on. :3

Did you get a chance to see how we're progressing recently?
I did look through the wiki, good to see you guys still going at it. Don't worry, once this anime takes off, you'll have all the motivation and support you need. :heh:
For me to take on any translation work right now *alt tabs to the word file of qualitative field research project + analysis and interpretation of field data* *tabs back* would be nothing short of suicidal. だから私には応援くらいしかできないけど、頑張ってねー :heh:

Oh yeah, the title? image of the project page, it's minor but
この町の、願いが叶う場所に
x To this city, where wishes come true
o To the place in this town where wishes come true


Oh one last thing. If Kyoto doesn't keep the voice actor for the hero who I think was Kentaro Ito, and they don't replace him with Sugita Tomakazu, there is a precedent for Hikaru Midorikawa being swapped out for Daisuke Ono in Air (One of their favourites who's been in practically everything they've ever done so as to make this a possibility. He's actually pretty darn cool in some of his roles too).
Itou-san did voice Tomoya in the preorder special DVD that came with all preordered PS2 first edition when it was released last year, but Tomoya was unvoiced in the game itself. Nojima Kenji was recently announced as Tomoya's voice actor in the upcoming official CLANNAD drama CD series (http://www.animate.tv/special/clannad.php). Perhaps the same cast will be used for the Kyoani anime as well? So far, save for Tomoya, it looks like the entire original cast will be returning.

Personally, I think both Itou and Nojima-san makes great choices for Tomoya.

Midorikawa-san is actually already voicing another character in CLANNAD, so if all goes well, we'll get to hear his voice in the anime too.

I did. Came up bupkiss.
I don't have the game (yet), so I just made a guess, since no one else was answering him.
Like nani said, that's probably just one of her "regular 8x-hit combos" (since Tomoyo does it in multiples of 8s).

I feel bad for Sunohara already. :heh:

[Kaioshin Sama]

Midorikawa-san is actually already voicing another character in CLANNAD, so if all goes well, we'll get to hear his voice in the anime too.



If he says "Omae o Korosu" at some point then it would be hysterical not only as a Gundam reference, but as a little bit forshadowing if the ending is what I assume it will be.

[herbert]

I guess these are Clannad characters?

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/7628/62582854sd4.gif
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/8962/82599725bc7.gif
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/1922/25264106lp2.gif
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/2430/95834757fb5.gif

I only have read few chaps of manga, dont know much about story, but the male lead looks different(in a good way) from both Konon and Air. I am sure I will watch when it come out.

[Radiosity]

I guess these are Clannad characters?

Well, since those are all from the preview, i'd say your guess is correct ;)

[Shana-tan]

you should make a Kyou avatar

[velocity7]

Sushi-Y: Noted. :)

[Maritime]

Wonderful news, I was hoping that KyoAni would make a Clannad series to accompany Toei's movie adaption and I'm really glad it actually happened. I've not been feeling too great lately but this has cheered me up no end.

[Furudanuki]

Before I allow myself to get exited about this upcoming series, I've got one important - for me, anyway - question for anyone here who is familiar with the Clannad story. I am not asking for - and don't want to see! - any spoilers or plot outlines: just a "Yes", "No", or "Maybe" answer will do very nicely.

I'm putting the question in a spoiler just to be on the safe side because it includes a general reference to the conclusion of Air.

Question - Does the story have a reasonably clear, conclusive, and unambiguous end point? In other words, is it like Kanon, where some questions might remain unanswered but it was pretty clear where things stood when the final credits rolled? Or is it more like Air, where AFAIC the story essentially just stopped and I was apparently expected to make up my own conclusion about what really happened?

My feelings on the matter can maybe best be explained by paraphrasing a conversation I had with an author at an SF convention about 15 years ago:

Author: "The last chapter was designed so the reader could write their own ending."
Furudanuki: "Why?"
Author: "Excuse me?"
Furudanuki: "Why should I write the ending? I was under the impression that was your job."
Author: "Well ...." ~pauses to sip drink~
Furudanuki: "Will we be getting a percentage of the royalties?"
Author: ~expels drink through nostrils~

(Believe it or not, that author and I actually wound up becoming quite good friends - she's my youngest daughter's godmother. ;) )

I no doubt represent a tiny minority when it comes to this issue, but the manner in which Air finished came very close to ruining the entire series for me. If I am going to invest the time in watching a series or reading a book then I want there to be an ending. It can be happy, sad, bittersweet, comedic, tragic, ridiculous, or "everything remained the same/returned to normal"... it does not matter to me. But I expect one to be there.

[velocity7]

You could say that the ending is as conclusive as it gets for a Key game, unlike Kanon or AIR.

[monir]

Question - Does the story have a reasonably clear, conclusive, and unambiguous end point? In other words, is it like Kanon, where some questions might remain unanswered but it was pretty clear where things stood when the final credits rolled? Or is it more like Air, where AFAIC the story essentially just stopped and I was apparently expected to make up my own conclusion about what really happened?

My feelings on the matter can maybe best be explained by paraphrasing a conversation I had with an author at an SF convention about 15 years ago:

Author: "The last chapter was designed so the reader could write their own ending."
Furudanuki: "Why?"
Author: "Excuse me?"
Furudanuki: "Why should I write the ending? I was under the impression that was your job."
Author: "Well ...." ~pauses to sip drink~
Furudanuki: "Will we be getting a percentage of the royalties?"
Author: ~expels drink through nostrils~

(Believe it or not, that author and I actually wound up becoming quite good friends - she's my youngest daughter's godmother. ;) )
LOLOL.. :D

Awesome questions. I'm not much of a fan for open ended conclusion either. To add to your own wants, I would also like to see a continuous and fluid plot that isn't in any way arc-based, i.e. Kanon. Those kind of stories have way too many limitation.

P.S. I'm also in the same sentiment with Furudanuki about spoilers. This is an anime thread, and it should be as such. So, let's keep it as such. :)

[Sushi-Y]

Before I allow myself to get exited about this upcoming series, I've got one important - for me, anyway - question for anyone here who is familiar with the Clannad story. I am not asking for - and don't want to see! - any spoilers or plot outlines: just a "Yes", "No", or "Maybe" answer will do very nicely.
For your question about the ending, it really depends on what you're looking for. Some people are satisfied with the story finishing once the climax has been reached, and a resolution has been provided, while others want to see a more detailed, epilogue-style "after story".

For CLANNAD though, I don't think there's any reason to worry. Like velocity7 said, CLANNAD's final conclusion should satisfy most people who followed it throughout the entire epic trip.

[Leo_Otaku]

had to post this I remember this:
You guys are talking about things which are nowhere in sight. CLANNAD TV series? A big ＿|￣|〇 to that. If it's only a wish, fine, but I'm sensing a huge speculation from some of you and it goes something like this: KyoAni are remaking Kanon, they redid AIR into a TV animation, now they *have to* do planetarian ~ chiisana hoshi yume~, tomoyo after ~It's a wonderful life~ and the upcoming Little Busters, not to mention the *obvious* rebundle of CLANNAD.
That kind of speculation is what I call foolishness. If the anime conversions are going to be made, that's supposed to be a "yay" and not a "it was so~ expected, because <insert reason here>."

Ahahaha the laugh is on you.....

Yeah so I say October for whe it will come out...place your bets XD
I can only imagine all the clannad merchandise ^-^

[orion]

I'm putting the question in a spoiler just to be on the safe side because it includes a general reference to the conclusion of Air.

Question - Does the story have a reasonably clear, conclusive, and unambiguous end point? In other words, is it like Kanon, where some questions might remain unanswered but it was pretty clear where things stood when the final credits rolled? Or is it more like Air, where AFAIC the story essentially just stopped and I was apparently expected to make up my own conclusion about what really happened?

My feelings on the matter can maybe best be explained by paraphrasing a conversation I had with an author at an SF convention about 15 years ago:

Author: "The last chapter was designed so the reader could write their own ending."
Furudanuki: "Why?"
Author: "Excuse me?"
Furudanuki: "Why should I write the ending? I was under the impression that was your job."
Author: "Well ...." ~pauses to sip drink~
Furudanuki: "Will we be getting a percentage of the royalties?"
Author: ~expels drink through nostrils~

(Believe it or not, that author and I actually wound up becoming quite good friends - she's my youngest daughter's godmother. ;) )

I no doubt represent a tiny minority when it comes to this issue, but the manner in which Air finished came very close to ruining the entire series for me. If I am going to invest the time in watching a series or reading a book then I want there to be an ending. It can be happy, sad, bittersweet, comedic, tragic, ridiculous, or "everything remained the same/returned to normal"... it does not matter to me. But I expect one to be there.

Well,
I thought that Air TV did give a somewhat conclusive ending if you combine your viewing with Air OVA. Mileage varies though. :)

[Manatsu]

ONE already has two OVA series, a hentai and a non-hentai one. I highly, highly doubt it will be animated again into a TV series.

Well I just thought that line in the announcement could be hinting at something, so I couldn't resist. :heh:

I don't quite agree with your reasoning why a ONE remake is unlikely. Well last year, nobody expected KyoAni to announce a Kanon remake, but they did. Kanon is 13+1 episodes, much more than the ONE OVA series, so that can't be a valid reason for exclusion too. And let's see, the 4 ep. OVA was really confusing as hell and somewhat of a sleep inducer for me. While I have no idea how faithful it is to the game, I'm sure 4 ep. is only enough for a condensed version. The hentai OVA I can't comment, as I haven't seen it. Add all of that together, yes I think ONE will benefit from a remake especially if it's KyoAni. Of course I'm not very informed of the anime industry, there might be some issues stopping or holding KyoAni back which I don't know.

Anyway back to posting something about Clannad. I played Kanon to prepare myself for the anime remake but unfortunately I still haven't been able to complete all 5 arcs. Now that the Clannad anime is announced, I'm thinking of playing the game too, but sigh... if it as long as it is said to be, looks like history will repeat itself. :heh:

[dgreater1]

Requesting help from Clannad fans !! :)

Some friends and I have been helping out the animesuki staff in the addition of more predefined avatars for the members to choose from in their CP section.

This has been going along for a while now, and back then, I wasn't familiar with the Clannad characters at all. After reading the manga, I am 99% certain that at least some of these avis are from this show.

So, can someone help me ID the characters in these avatars?

CLANNAD Characters
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/869/avitest17lw0.jpgIbuki Fuuko
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6438/avitest18pu5.jpgFujibayashi Kyou
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4828/avitest19dv1.jpgFujibayashi Ryou
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3816/avitest20es2.jpgMiyazawa Yukine
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2039/avitest22tt2.jpgSunohara Mei
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/937/avitest23rk5.jpgFurukawa Nagisa

PLANETARIAN
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1872/avitest24jt4.jpgYumemi Hoshino (aka. Reverie Planetarian)

AIR & KANON
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5778/avitest26ky4.jpgKamio Misuzu with her hair cut short.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1153/avitest25pn7.jpgMinase Nayuki in Kimono

Because they are in chibi-mode, I feel like asking just to be 100% sure about their names.

Hope someone can help me out with this. :)

I have all the pics in full size :D, My previous account got deleted because I haven't posted for nearly 2~~~~~~ years :heh: :twitch:

[velocity7]

I'm damn certain that's not Minase Nayuki in kimono, that's actually Kanna from AIR.

[Skane]

I'm damn certain that's not Minase Nayuki in kimono, that's actually Kanna from AIR.
Hairstyle says it's Nayuki.

:)

[angershallreign]

velocity7 - Good job with the translation project. How are things progressing at this point in time?

[dgreater1]

Actually, she is Nayuki ^_^ I have their full pictures you see :p it came from watsuki ^^;

[velocity7]

@Skane: Nayuki didn't have green eyes though (neither did Kanna). The demeanor fits Kanna more.
@Dgreater1: Oh snap. :p
@Evil Kinny: Still progressing. :)

[Harlequin101]

Not to derail the discussion, but has anyone identified the song used in the preview?

[Klashikari]

The song is "Megumeru" (artist : Ria... or is she Lia, the same singer of "Tori no Uta" of AIR?) from the original game, if i'm correct.

[dgreater1]

It's called Megumeru... and from what I heard it's taken from Celtic mythology Mag Mell

Anyway... for more info, visit this site

http://www.animelyrics.tv/forum/topic_show.pl?pid=269068

Now for my bonus post


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[Maceart]

The song is "Megumeru", sung by Eufonius and used for the opening to the game CLANNAD.

[dgreater1]

The song is "Megumeru" (artist : Ria... or is she Lia, the same singer of "Tori no Uta" of AIR?) from the original game, if i'm correct.

^_^ you got fooled too? Actually, Riya and Lia are two different vocal singer :D

Riya is like a younger Lia :heh:, but I must say, both of their voices are soooo beautiful~~~~

Euphonius is the name of band if I'm not wrong :D

[VooXoo]

This :

http://www.megaupload.com/it/?d=0HMRCUKW

The Preview version is the remixed song in the album "Clannad original soundtrack" Megumeru -cockool mix- or "Mag Mell" -cockool mix- (short ver.)

[41nano]

Oh My God this is the best news of the year!
^___________________________^
And it will be done by KyoAni on the top of that!

Ah and:
Riya is like a younger Lia , but I must say, both of their voices are soooo beautiful~~~~

Euphonius is the name of band if I'm not wrong

Indeed, Riya is the girl who sing in the duo called Euphonius.
For Megumeru, it's a song by Riya and with music from Euphonius, so it's from Riya :)

[Sushi-Y]

The song is "Megumeru", sung by Eufonius and used for the opening to the game CLANNAD.
It's probably one of the most elusive OPs I have ever seen in a visual novel too: it only appears in one scenario, and not until you're about 6 hours into the story :heh:

On the other hand, the true ED song is the most destructive out of all Key musics. :heh:

Ahahaha the laugh is on you.....
Well, considering Maeda-san will no longer write scenarios after Little Busters!, you could say that these are the last remaining Key games that had the "Maeda Touch". CLANNAD being the longest and most ambitious project of them all, it deserves to be showered in some spotlight, I think.

[Theclow]

On the other hand, the true ED song is the most destructive out of all Key musics. :heh:
Is that a good thing or a bad thing? :heh:

[Sushi-Y]

Is that a good thing or a bad thing? :heh:
To be honest, if you asked me, I wouldn't use "Chiisana Te no Hira" (小さな手のひら, the palm of a small hand) as the TV ED. At least not right from start. It's a great ED song in the game because everything from the lyrics and melody reminded you of everything that has happened in the story. It was really an emotionally powerful song for anyone who have just completed the game.

On the other hand, if it's used as a TV ED, that means it'll be played over and over again after every episode, which means its impact and significance will most likely be reduced by the time we reach the end.

If the world revolved around me, I'd use the regular ED song "Kage Futatsu" (-影二つ-, two shadows) at first, then switch over to, say, the more upbeat -new season mix- of "Chiisana Te no Hira" (http://key.soundslabel.com/discography.htm) (scroll down to CLANNAD remix album -memento-, track 10) at a later point. Then use the original "Chiisana Te no Hira" for the final episode.

[velocity7]

Sushi-Y: For some reason, kage futatsu reminds me too much of AIR's usual ED... anyways, building up on your original post, and assuming CLANNAD ends up a two-season series (26 episodes for School Life, 26 episodes for After Story):

School Life
OP Theme: メグメル -cockool remix-
Promotional video already gave this away.

ED Theme: -影二つ- -MintJam Mix-
Not as "epic" as the original version, but certainly doesn't make it sound like the series is going to end anytime soon.

Final ED Theme: -影二つ-
The ending theme for the end of the School Life arc.

After Story
OP Theme: same
Nothing to see here.

ED Theme: 小さな手のひら -new seasons mix-
Same reasons as Sushi-Y stated.

Final ED Theme: 小さな手のひら
Same reasons as Sushi-Y stated.

[Drytchnath]

Just watched the trailer....is this a drama action romance? The schoolgirl imitating Chun-Li's lightning kick cracked me up yet was awesome at the same time.

[K3cT]

Frankly, I would have preferred KyoAni to animate Planetarian first because of its unusual settings and Reverie (I also happen to prefer the Eeji Komatsu's designs in that game compared to Itaru Hinoue) but I guess it's just a wishful thinking considering the little amount of source material to work with. A new season of FMP would be nice as well.

On the topic of Clannad, a friend told that this game did not do as well as Kanon or AIR in Japan. I suspect so because there's a lack of Clannad fanarts compared to the sheer amounts that Kanon and AIR delivered to us. I'm just curious, is this because of the lack of Hentai in the game? Or is it because the game is not too markedly different (rehashed plot elements and characters) from Key's previous works? Combination of both? I would like to know about this.

[velocity7]

It would probably be because Fate/stay night released on the same year. ;)

[stipl]

Who will voice Tomoya Okazaki on the tv series?
Kentaro Ito will voice in movie

[rg4619]

I'm just curious, is this because of the lack of Hentai in the game? Or is it because the game is not too markedly different (rehashed plot elements and characters) from Key's previous works?

Hard to say. Initial sales performance was strong, despite the lack of adult content. However, Clannad doesn't have the lasting popularity of Key's previous games.

It's worth noting that the PS2 version of Clannad bombed in comparison to console ports of Kanon and Air (Higurashi is hot on the PS2 at the moment. I expect Fate/Stay Night to sell very well too). Additionally, Tomoyo After failed to generate the buzz you'd expect, so there's definitely less market interest in the IP.

As you say, one possible explanation is that Clannad didn't really offer anything new to the genre, unlike Kanon (not 100% new, but it popularized what Jun Maeda started with ONE, so it was fresh for most consumers), Air, or Fate/Stay Night.

[Sushi-Y]

On the topic of Clannad, a friend told that this game did not do as well as Kanon or AIR in Japan. I suspect so because there's a lack of Clannad fanarts compared to the sheer amounts that Kanon and AIR delivered to us. I'm just curious, is this because of the lack of Hentai in the game? Or is it because the game is not too markedly different (rehashed plot elements and characters) from Key's previous works? Combination of both? I would like to know about this.
If we were to simply look at the sale numbers, I wouldn't say CLANNAD did poorly at all: it sold just as well as all previous Key games, managing to sail over the 100,000 sales line. The lack of adult contents had little effects on the game in terms of sales, and I would surmise popularity as well: Key games were never commented for their ero contents.

It's true that the game didn't receive nearly as much doujin community support as Kanon or AIR did though. If you ask me, I'd attribute that to two things:
1. CLANNAD being a "completed story" with little room for freedom. The story settings were bound so tight, there's no room left for anyone to go in and add their own fan-made plots (ie. for doujinshis)
2. TYPE-MOON's "Fate/stay night" was released around the same time (Fsn in Feb 2004, CLANNAD in Apr 2004), and it absolutely washed away everything else on the scene at the time, pushing even CLANNAD out of the spotlight.

The fact that the game is so mind bogglingly long was also somewhat of an obstacle too, since it prevented many people from completing it within a reasonable amount of time.

[Kaioshin Sama]

A new season of FMP would be nice as well.


After the popularity of Haruhi and Kanon we won't being seeing anything remotely like FMP from Kyoto Animation for a long long time. Just wait until they're done all this Key stuff and then see what happens. They've got stuff they need to do for various reasons. Or maybe GONZO will Veto them and take the series back for themselves.


:topicoff:

Uh Oh, they're onto me again.... *Steps back into the shadows*

*Steps Back For One Second*


On the rehashed plot elements, from reading fairly detailed plot summaries of the game I say yes, but others here will probably say no. If you compare character designs they are very similar to those from Kanon and Key has this thing for life altering accidents usually involving some sort of automobile. I think this game has the sickly girl (Shiori from Kanon, the quiet girl who's good in everything at school (Nayuki in Kanon), the girl with the bad attitude (Makoto in Kanon) and the fight-picking tomboy as well (Sort of but not really Mai from Kanon). These are really all just dating sim game traits as a whole though that pop up over and over in any given game scenario from any company though. While the overall progression of events is of course different in this game compared to Kanon, the theme once again seems to be about finding a way in which to be happy in a world that can be quiet cruel and that kind of makes it a rehash of sorts when coupled with the familiar traits of the characters. Ultimately it depends on whether you really like that theme or not. And yes the game initially topped the charts for two straight weeks and kind of bottomed out to #47 on the rankings the week after. Like everyone says it's as a result of Type Moons Fate/Stay Night coming out around that time and if anything gets people worked up in a fervor of anticipation as much as the next Key game it's the next Type Moon Game. Let me put it this way, Type Moon is like the Square Enix of Dating Sim Games and Key is like the Capcom of Dating Sim Games.

Ok time to skedaddle.

[aardvark]

After the popularity of Haruhi and Kanon we won't being seeing anything remotely like FMP from Kyoto Animation for a long long time. Just wait until they're done all this Key stuff and then see what happens. They've got stuff they need to do for various reasons. Or maybe GONZO will Veto them and take the series back for themselves.

I doubt Kodansha will EVER let Gonzo near FMP again, especially after seeing what Kyoani did with the Second Raid. It's just a matter of patience. I think 08 is realistic for another FMP installment from Kyoani...

[K3cT]

Well, to be fair, F/SN deserves all the praises it got because the game really delivers. Type-Moon is really good in making their games feel less like a typical VN and more like a good, intricate fantasy/mystery novel. It's just a pity that their works never got to be adapted properly. ;D Imagine if KyoAni is the one animating F/SN instead of Deen...

After the popularity of Haruhi and Kanon we won't being seeing anything remotely like FMP from Kyoto Animation for a long long time. Just wait until they're done all this Key stuff and then see what happens. They've got stuff they need to do for various reasons. Or maybe GONZO will Veto them and take the series back for themselves.

Haruhi I can understand but is Kanon really that popular over there, I mean, moreso than FMP? No, please, not Gonzo. TSR was miles more superior than the first season so I would like to see a similar level of quality in the next season.

The fact that the game is so mind bogglingly long was also somewhat of an obstacle too, since it prevented many people from completing it within a reasonable amount of time.

Is it really that much longer than your typical visual novel? Hmm... if it's done well then I see no problem with very long content. Does it get dragged out? Kanon 2006 had these moments as well in the latter parts of the series.

[Maids! Maids! Maids!]

Nuked for now.

[cyth]

I see spoilerific images. Very nice. o.ob It would help if users posting image material played the game before carelessly posting it.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

i"m a fan of Kanon and just recently watched the last episode and then saw this "breaking news" as a preview for Clannad
another series created by the same guys who did Kanon and Air
i guess since its going to be animated by Kyoto animations seems like more hype is revolving around this anime when it premieres sometimes this year
and even more so theres a Clannad movie being released by Toei
hmmm i wonder if Toei is trying to compete with Kyoto for re-doing the Kanon series?!
to me i dont really feel that much hype with this show
i"m more looking forward to lucky star and Nanoha StrikerS
maybe when it finally premieres and fansubs are released
then i"ll give this show a watch!!

BTW whats up with the twitching guy in the trailer??
kinda creeped me out seeing that:heh:

[houkoholic]

BTW whats up with the twitching guy in the trailer??
kinda creeped me out seeing that:heh:

That would be Sunohara, the comic relief of Clannad. Looks like he got hit by Kyou's (the girl with the long light purple hair in the trailer) infamous "dictionary of death". ;)

[Maids! Maids! Maids!]

I see spoilerific images. Very nice. o.ob It would help if users posting image material played the game before carelessly posting it.

Could someone tell me what the spoilers in my previous post were?

I had some concerns about Ryou's haircut, as I've seen pictures of her with long hair as well. However, she was clearly shown with short hair in the promo
If that's it, I think I should just untag the post. If it's something else, I'll remove the images and post them later.

Has the game been translated? If not, playing it would be problematic.

[houkoholic]

Could someone tell me what the spoilers in my previous post were?

As far as I can see:

1st row: 4th picture
3rd row: 2nd and 3rd picture
5th row: 1st picture
6th: 2nd picture (very very slightly, this one can slip though IMO)



I had some concerns about Ryou's haircut, as I've seen pictures of her with long hair as well. However, she was clearly shown with short hair in the promo



Ryou is the one with short hair and the white ribbon on the left side (her right side) and always had it like that. Kyou is the one with long hair and the ribbon on the right side (her left side), somewhere in the story Kyou cut her hair though. Maybe you mixed up those two?

[nadare]

If we were to simply look at the sale numbers, I wouldn't say CLANNAD did poorly at all: it sold just as well as all previous Key games, managing to sail over the 100,000 sales line. The lack of adult contents had little effects on the game in terms of sales, and I would surmise popularity as well: Key games were never commented for their ero contents.

It's true that the game didn't receive nearly as much doujin community support as Kanon or AIR did though. If you ask me, I'd attribute that to two things:
1. CLANNAD being a "completed story" with little room for freedom. The story settings were bound so tight, there's no room left for anyone to go in and add their own fan-made plots (ie. for doujinshis)
2. TYPE-MOON's "Fate/stay night" was released around the same time (Fsn in Feb 2004, CLANNAD in Apr 2004), and it absolutely washed away everything else on the scene at the time, pushing even CLANNAD out of the spotlight.

The fact that the game is so mind bogglingly long was also somewhat of an obstacle too, since it prevented many people from completing it within a reasonable amount of time.

Maybe this is the other reason...

Both Air and Kanon had anime to back their popularity, while CLANNAD only had the game to boost its popularity...

Fate/stay night also had an anime backing... And I think that most of the doujin's fate/stay had was from the anime(when I was browsing danbooru before).

[Skyfall]

Maybe this is the other reason...

Both Air and Kanon had anime to back their popularity, while CLANNAD only had the game to boost its popularity...


It doesn't quite work that way, because the games came before the anime :) The animes are based on these games.

[Skane]

Maybe this is the other reason...

Both Air and Kanon had anime to back their popularity, while CLANNAD only had the game to boost its popularity...

Fate/stay night also had an anime backing... And I think that most of the doujin's fate/stay had was from the anime(when I was browsing danbooru before).
The games came out waaaay before their respective anime adaptations, and in the case of F/S Night, the anime was a disappointment to the game-fans. The fanbase for Air, Kanon and F/S N were legion long before the animes came out.

Cheers.

[cyth]

I think you're overreacting a bit. :) Fate/stay night got released early in 2004, and its anime adaptation got released in 2006. Now, call me a wee bit crazy, but 2 years after the original release is IMO a rather short turnaround time for all anime adaptations, be it printed publications or visual novels (except when we're talking eroanime). And Kanon got its first adaptation in less than 3 years after.
As far as Fate/stay night being a disappointment to game fans, that's actually to be discussed and it's not a definite answer. For one, I loved the UBW path and was rather disappointed that the anime didn't go in that direction, but all in all it was an expected production move that the story will get entwined as much as possible and that at least one story path will get sacrificed in the process. I enjoyed the anime overall.

[FireChick]

YAAAAAAAAY!!! A Clannad anime!!! Coooooooool!:D :D :D Nagisa looks so much like Ayu to me. Oh and button (Kyo-chan's pet baby warthog) is so kawaii! Where's Yukine-chan? Kotomi is cute to me but I wanna see more kawaii Nagisa. But sometimes I wish Nagisa got a better name (no offense).

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

i'm kinda surprised
alot of people know about Clannad...i only found out about Clannad the day i seen the trailer after episode 24 of Kanon.....
That would be Sunohara, the comic relief of Clannad. Looks like he got hit by Kyou's (the girl with the long light purple hair in the trailer) infamous "dictionary of death".

i guess that explains why he was twitching....maybe he got kicked in a "certain area"
but still it looked pretty weird when i see that guy twitching on the ground....he should be really funny when the series come to premiere...since he is the comic relief of Clannad!!

[Chaotic_Reign]

After the popularity of Haruhi and Kanon we won't being seeing anything remotely like FMP from Kyoto Animation for a long long time. Just wait until they're done all this Key stuff and then see what happens. They've got stuff they need to do for various reasons. Or maybe GONZO will Veto them and take the series back for themselves.


:topicoff:

Uh Oh, they're onto me again.... *Steps back into the shadows*

*Steps Back For One Second*


On the rehashed plot elements, from reading fairly detailed plot summaries of the game I say yes, but others here will probably say no. If you compare character designs they are very similar to those from Kanon and Key has this thing for life altering accidents usually involving some sort of automobile. I think this game has the sickly girl (Shiori from Kanon, the quiet girl who's good in everything at school (Nayuki in Kanon), the girl with the bad attitude (Makoto in Kanon) and the fight-picking tomboy as well (Sort of but not really Mai from Kanon). These are really all just dating sim game traits as a whole though that pop up over and over in any given game scenario from any company though. While the overall progression of events is of course different in this game compared to Kanon, the theme once again seems to be about finding a way in which to be happy in a world that can be quiet cruel and that kind of makes it a rehash of sorts when coupled with the familiar traits of the characters. Ultimately it depends on whether you really like that theme or not. And yes the game initially topped the charts for two straight weeks and kind of bottomed out to #47 on the rankings the week after. Like everyone says it's as a result of Type Moons Fate/Stay Night coming out around that time and if anything gets people worked up in a fervor of anticipation as much as the next Key game it's the next Type Moon Game. Let me put it this way, Type Moon is like the Square Enix of Dating Sim Games and Key is like the Capcom of Dating Sim Games.

Ok time to skedaddle.


Well, if you were to talk about the central theme of Clannad in a word, that word would be "community." This is in contrast to Air which chose to focus on the theme of "family," though the two share some common elements, and if you really had to compare it's closer in feel to Air than to Kanon. You'll never mistake one for the other though.

[K3cT]

As far as Fate/stay night being a disappointment to game fans, that's actually to be discussed and it's not a definite answer. For one, I loved the UBW path and was rather disappointed that the anime didn't go in that direction, but all in all it was an expected production move that the story will get entwined as much as possible and that at least one story path will get sacrificed in the process. I enjoyed the anime overall.

My main problem with the F/SN anime is the utterly horrible plot pacing after episode 14. It wasn't so bad before that particular episode but it got amplified after that.

Eh, an UBW path would be nice for the anime but it's hard to do that since no matter what, Fate route is necessary to establish the universe so omitting it will alienate people who never play the game. Besides, we would have continuity issues as well.

That would be Sunohara, the comic relief of Clannad. Looks like he got hit by Kyou's (the girl with the long light purple hair in the trailer) infamous "dictionary of death".

Eh, now I finally understand what this fanart is all about. :D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/Izlude99/deathkyo01.jpg

[ricerocket]

1. CLANNAD being a "completed story" with little room for freedom. The story settings were bound so tight, there's no room left for anyone to go in and add their own fan-made plots (ie. for doujinshis)


this really worries me how kyoto will manage to animate clannad... controrary to many game fans of kanon, i actually think kyoto did an excellent job on mashing together the different stories or "lines" from the game... but clannad has much, much stricter plot lines for different girls that to combine them into one like kyoto did for kanon would mean to eliminate a huge chunk of elements from every plot line that make clannad so good to begin with... i really doubt even kyoto can pull it off

[TigerII]

Soooo, lets see if a pattern developes. We all know it is going to have many, many sad moments. But my money is for the tragic ending in this one.

Air-Tragic ending

Kanon-Happy ending

Clannad-?(My bet is Tragic)

[Sushi-Y]

But sometimes I wish Nagisa got a better name (no offense).
I think Nagisa (渚, meaning "shore (of an ocean)") is a pretty name though. And unlike other Key characters, the significance of Nagisa's name is actually touched upon in the story too.

he is the comic relief of Clannad!!
Sunohara is responsible for about 50% of the laughs in CLANNAD (a further 40% by Akio-san), many of them powerful enough to trigger asthma attacks. Famous quotes include "borrow me your boobs!" and "let's go eat lunch... and toilet seat cover".

this really worries me how kyoto will manage to animate clannad... controrary to many game fans of kanon, i actually think kyoto did an excellent job on mashing together the different stories or "lines" from the game... but clannad has much, much stricter plot lines for different girls that to combine them into one like kyoto did for kanon would mean to eliminate a huge chunk of elements from every plot line that make clannad so good to begin with... i really doubt even kyoto can pull it off
I don't want to spoil too much, all I can say is you probably don't have to worry about that. As long as the storyboard is worked out right, CLANNAD should be much easier to animate compared to Kanon.

[Sailor Enlil]

After hearing about who's doing Nagisa's voice, now I really want to check this series out. I mean, Mai Nakahara of all people (as if Kyoani must be investing a lot in this to put someone with Mai Nakahara's credentials in to the series), the one who's also done:
Chitose Nanbu (Amaenaideyo)
Mai Tokiha (My-HiME, My-Otome)
Midori Kasugano (Midori Days)
Miina Miyafuji (Onegai Twins)
Nagisa Aoi (Strawberry Panic!)
Nanaha Misaki (Tactical Roar)
Yuna Konnyaku (Kage Kara Mamoru!)

[velocity7]

Sushi-Y: Don't forget when Akio calls Tomoya, Char Aznable. :D

[eggplant]

There's going to be a CLANNAD talkshow corner this coming Saturday from 3PM at the Pony Canyon booth during the Tokyo Anime Fair, featuring guests Nakahara Mai and Noto Mamiko.

I'm going to attend TAF for 3 out of the 4 days, and plan on seeing this event, barring unforseen circumstances (the event itself may be regulated or cancelled due to the popularity of CLANNAD), wherein I will try to post a report.

Tentative event list for TAF 2007 posted here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=865683&postcount=157).

[Maids! Maids! Maids!]

Maybe this is the other reason...

Both Air and Kanon had anime to back their popularity, while CLANNAD only had the game to boost its popularity...

Fate/stay night also had an anime backing... And I think that most of the doujin's fate/stay had was from the anime(when I was browsing danbooru before).

If you were to pin me down, I'd say the vast majority of Fate/stay Night images were inspired by the game. I pretty much started my image posting habit in the F/SN subforum, and it was a great place to start. There were tons of images and wallpapers floating around. There were several characters with relatively minor roles in the anime, but considerably larger roles in the game, who were popular fan artist targets. Rider for instance. Almost all of the Rider images I've seen were inspired by the two Fate games.

The same is true of ToHeart 2, which was also hugely popular with fan artists. There is probably more Touhou art posted every day than any other series. The sheer volume of work Tohou inspires amazes me, and clearly its popularity is game driven. I'm not sure about Air, but I suspect the majority of Kanon images and doujins were inspired by the game as well. The Kanon game has been around a lot longer than Clannad. That might be one reason there is more Kanon art floating around.

[ricerocket]

I don't want to spoil too much, all I can say is you probably don't have to worry about that. As long as the storyboard is worked out right, CLANNAD should be much easier to animate compared to Kanon.

hmm... not sure about you, but in the version I played I really don't see how it's possible to even mash two of the plot lines together and still maintain the original structure

for example, in tomoyo line it requires her to be a couple with tomoya already to unfold pretty much 80% of that plot line... without them being together there is no tomoyo giving up the relationship for her dream or anything like that, and the two will be pretty much ordinary friends and she'd be just a passerby in the story... and this holds true for most other characters too simply because how early the plot lines split

not to mention the 13 light spheres, each with its unique meaning that each can only be represented by separated plot lines

comparing to how kanon's story works and how kyoto only changed the ending of each plot line but showed the rest, i really don't see how this is easier to animate into a single story... or it being possible at all; i hope kyoto just script one story from the many and go with it, or make it a mini series with short stories/episodes for each plot line

but then again, i don't really care about clannad that much..... kyoto needs to start working on FMP DVMC or at least the next season of haruhi >.<

[Catnips]

Im not really surprised that Kyoto Animation will made an anime version of CLANNAD which is a really nice game.....

[Sushi-Y]

There's going to be a CLANNAD talkshow corner this coming Saturday from 3PM at the Pony Canyon booth during the Tokyo Anime Fair, featuring guests Nakahara Mai and Noto Mamiko.

I'm going to attend TAF for 3 out of the 4 days, and plan on seeing this event, barring unforseen circumstances (the event itself may be regulated or cancelled due to the popularity of CLANNAD), wherein I will try to post a report.
It's gonna be so crowded it won't even be fuuny. :heh: Have fun, あとで報告よろー

hmm... not sure about you, but in the version I played I really don't see how it's possible to even mash two of the plot lines together and still maintain the original structure
It's true that Tomoyo's scenario might be a little tough, but they can always pull another Shiori.
Kotomi, Fuuko, Yukine, Mei, and Misae-san's scenarios aren't all that hard to integrate either (although Hiiragi's route might be a little...). I'm actually more worried about Kyou/Ryou's scenario, since I can't think of any way they can make that ending work without the romantic element + complete opposite direction of Nagisa's route.

I'm not sure about what they want to do with the light orbs yet, but if they're really planning to be 100% faithful to the game and have Tomoya recover them all, we're gonna need a lot of episodes. :heh:

[FireChick]

New info on Clannad is today. Try and check it out.

[nikorai]

So, is Clannad actually going to be aired this fall? there s plenty of time till the date.
What are we to watch meanwhile?

[Owaranai Destiny]

So, is Clannad actually going to be aired this fall? there s plenty of time till the date.
What are we to watch meanwhile?

Oh, plenty, depending on your tastes. Taking a look at the New Announced Anime thread should give you a good idea of what's to come first.

[Skyfall]

So, is Clannad actually going to be aired this fall? there s plenty of time till the date.
What are we to watch meanwhile?

If you mean specifically from KyoAni - Lucky? Star.

[Storm-and-Fire]

[Thanks for the explanation... Though I had figured it out by the time I saw the replies...]

[orion]

I'm interested in seeing how sola is going to turn out. So from the site, it's going to be a mad dash now to collect all 8 Kanon DVD postcards. :heh:

@Storm-and-Fire: That was talking about the Clannad premium (Clannad Invitation DVD which contains NC OP and ED and other promotional clips) on top of the Kanon keychain that you get if you mail in all the Kanon postcards that came in the LE versions of DVDs 1-8. The deadline is to have it postmarked September 10th. Info is in DVD 8.

[cyth]

I'd really love to know what THIS means....It's just what we already know: Final date for Kanon DVD purchasers to apply for CLANNAD Invitation special DVD.

[mt-i]

So, is Clannad actually going to be aired this fall?

This is unconfirmed at this time, as far as I know. Many hoped an airing date would be announced today, but the website update is only about the "Clannad Invitation DVD" that purchasers of all limited edition DVDs of Kanon will be able to receive in September (and this is not really news, MOONPHASE announced it last Friday). That was to be expected I guess.

[velocity7]

September 10 for entries of CLANNAD Invitation it seems...

[Nightengale]

Did somebody say Hokuto no Ken and Gundam references in Clannad?

:P

[velocity7]

Gundam yes, but I'm surprised at the lack of Hokuto no Ken references.

Though, mind you, I haven't played Tomoyo's route.

[houkoholic]

It's true that Tomoyo's scenario might be a little tough, but they can always pull another Shiori.



No I don't think they can pull a Shiori for Tomoyo, as her story does in fact hinges on a lot on a two-way relationship between her and Tomoya, insolation of Tomoya and his dependancy on Tomoyo, which means that Tomoya can't really interact with any other girls at the same time during her story. IMO with Kyou it's just the whole romance thing, at least Tomoya doesn't have to feel worthless and singled out in the Kyou Arc, plus Kyou herself is an excellent support character because of her bright personality and I'd say she shines better as a sub-character than in her own arc, but this is not so for Tomoyo. These two girls are definitely the hardest to interwine into a meaningful story if Nagisa is the "main girl". Fuuko is really really easy to interwine as her route is inheritly tied with Nagisa to begin with and has a "good ending" written out already, and Kotomi can be easily changed in the Kanon way to remove the slight romance angle in her story.

I think the main problem is really Tomoya can be a very different character depending on the arcs at hand, some arcs deals more with his self-loathing than others and that really changes the way he acts, and "resetting" his personality will really make the stories feel disjointed.

[radancein]

Halfway through the game at the moment, plodding along with my intermediate level of Japanese, I must say that the length of this game is just mind boggling. Will I ever finish the game?

It will be interesting to see how KyoAni intertwine the arcs together. Tomoyo's is
difficult, but still do-able in my opinion, but Kyou's simply looks impossible. I quite like the Kyou and Ryou combinations, so I hope they don't get shafted Nayuki style.

Regarding Sunohara, I think he deserves attention as much as anyone else. I haven't laughed that since the 1st season of school rumble.

[houkoholic]

I disagree Tomoyo is easier than Kyou. Disregarding the problem with interwining first, most of the problem from Kyou's route is psychological, you can actually just "hook up" Tomoya and Ryou and have them not do anything and that particular path (or its inherit story) can work out, as it's a pretty simple story of juggling between love and family that has been done in a lot of other shows, romantic or not, h or not, it's actually fairly straight forward. Heck the only highlights in the Kyou arc is the super-position of Kyou/Ryou in a few kiss scenes, but you don't even need to protray the actual kiss to get the same effect. Or even, they can just protray the Furibayashi's sister's side without Tomoya's commitment for the same effect.

For Tomoyo there is way more physical interaction between Tomoyo and Tomoya, they crave for each other's physical presence to sooth their loneliness, so much so that once you hit Tomoyo path there really is no turning back because you have to keep protraying their excessive touching and kissing to get that point across, and you simply can't just write off these kinds of interaction if they do decide to put it in the show and tries to weave it into the other paths.

[radancein]

I disagree Tomoyo is easier than Kyou. Disregarding the problem with interwining first, most of the problem from Kyou's route is psychological, you can actually just "hook up" Tomoya and Ryou and have them not do anything and that particular path (or its inherit story) can work out, as it's a pretty simple story of juggling between love and family that has been done in a lot of other shows, romantic or not, h or not, it's actually fairly straight forward. Heck the only highlights in the Kyou arc is the super-position of Kyou/Ryou in a few kiss scenes, but you don't even need to protray the actual kiss to get the same effect. Or even, they can just protray the Furibayashi's sister's side without Tomoya's commitment for the same effect.

For Tomoyo there is way more physical interaction between Tomoyo and Tomoya, they crave for each other's physical presence to sooth their loneliness, so much so that once you hit Tomoyo path there really is no turning back because you have to keep protraying their excessive touching and kissing to get that point across, and you simply can't just write off these kinds of interaction if they do decide to put it in the show and tries to weave it into the other paths.

Not disagreeing with you, but the way I see it is that Kyou's route is all about romance, and if you try to take out romance, there is nothing left. Whereas in Tomoyo's route, there is still material to cover if you take out the romance, i.e. elections for student council and her family. Granted, this is still doing a large disservice to the story arc.

Either way, it's not really important which is more difficult. As long as I can enjoy the anime as much as I did with the game, I don't really mind what KyoAni will decide to do.

[Sushi-Y]

Halfway through the game at the moment, plodding along with my intermediate level of Japanese, I must say that the length of this game is just mind boggling. Will I ever finish the game?
How far along are you anyway? I can still remember how I thought I was halfway through the game when I finished half of the heroines' scenarios (~4 light orbs). Boy was I wrong. :heh:


I disagree Tomoyo is easier than Kyou. Disregarding the problem with interwining first, most of the problem from Kyou's route is psychological, you can actually just "hook up" Tomoya and Ryou and have them not do anything and that particular path (or its inherit story) can work out, as it's a pretty simple story of juggling between love and family that has been done in a lot of other shows, romantic or not, h or not, it's actually fairly straight forward. Heck the only highlights in the Kyou arc is the super-position of Kyou/Ryou in a few kiss scenes, but you don't even need to protray the actual kiss to get the same effect. Or even, they can just protray the Furibayashi's sister's side without Tomoya's commitment for the same effect.

For Tomoyo there is way more physical interaction between Tomoyo and Tomoya, they crave for each other's physical presence to sooth their loneliness, so much so that once you hit Tomoyo path there really is no turning back because you have to keep protraying their excessive touching and kissing to get that point across, and you simply can't just write off these kinds of interaction if they do decide to put it in the show and tries to weave it into the other paths.
The reason why I say Kyou's route is harder is because there's almost nothing left if you take out the romance (at least Ryou can be saved by Hiiragi). On the other hand, even though Tomoyo's route also features some hard-to-portray contents, there are still plenty of other "safe" elements that are workable.
It's clear there are parts that will have to be left out of certain routes. But if we were to start discussing possibilities, I don't think it would be nearly as hard as it seems. There's a million ways to go about this, it's just a matter of how well the fans will accept the changes.

[NaweG]

OK, I know I should just wait for the Anime and enjoy the story however KyoAni cares to tell it. But I'm a rather impatient person when it comes to stories :D

So, I'm looking for an English Walkthrough, or an English version of the story so that I can follow more of the conversation on this thread in the meantime. I did look at the Wikipedia entry for the game (can't believe that some music group came up the first time... silly editors...), but I can't say that really left me feeling like I understood the story.

I tried searching the Game forum threads for a link, but that only turned up a translation project (yay for them, but not particularly germane to my current need), and a link to a walkthrough in Japanese. If I could speak Japanese that would be fine (heck, that would be more than fine... I could watch raws and help with translations... and help catch criminals... and speed faster than a locomotive..), but unfortunately I suffer from Monolingual Syndrome.

Your assistance in this matter is greatly appreciated!

[houkoholic]

The thing is with Kyou like I mentioned, you can make the feelings one-side or just focus on the sister's conflicting emotion to retain most of the feeling across. For Kyou, Tomoya's side is just not really important (or even poorly written for that matter), Tomoya can actually be cut out from the loop all together as far as I can see. And there are a lot of Kyou material that can be taken out from the other routes to complete her character because Kyou is actually a fairly prominent character in the other routes, like say Kotomi's, or the 3vs3 basketball etc etc or even the Tomoyo route, where Kyou's big sister/tsundere character really makes her shine, more so than her own arc I'd argue.

Tomoyo IMO doesn't have that luxuary, she has very little interaction with the other characters for weaving purpose, her safe materials is quite thin without the backing of her relationship with Tomoya, plus her character doesn't have that conflict inside her, she is determined to do the things she wanted to do regardless and as Tomoya puts it she would have no problem succeeding too if she didn't get extremely involved with Tomoya himself. Tomoyo actually has no conflict that needs to be solved at all as her problems only starts AFTER she started dating Tomoya romantically, and well, Tomoya doing lots of stupid things because of that, both in the funny and non-funny way.

Either way, I think we can all agree upon that Kyou and Tomoyo will probably get the most alternations on their story as both have at least half of their story hinging on some sort of romance elements that goes in conflict with Nagisa's route, whereas the others can remain 95% faithful. These two characters will be the ones which I'll be looking forward the most to see how Ishihara can pull off in a satisfying way.

I think I'm just torturing myself for all these Key adaptations as most of my favourite characters are the ones which cannot be easily represented (Nayuki, Tomoyo/Kyou) in an anime.

[Sushi-Y]

The thing is with Kyou like I mentioned, you can make the feelings one-side or just focus on the sister's conflicting emotion to retain most of the feeling across. For Kyou, Tomoya's side is just not really important (or even poorly written for that matter), Tomoya can actually be cut out from the loop all together as far as I can see. And there are a lot of Kyou material that can be taken out from the other routes to complete her character because Kyou is actually a fairly prominent character in the other routes, like say Kotomi's, or the 3vs3 basketball etc etc or even the Tomoyo route, where Kyou's big sister/tsundere character really makes her shine, more so than her own arc I'd argue.

Tomoyo IMO doesn't have that luxuary, she has very little interaction with the other characters for weaving purpose, her safe materials is quite thin without the backing of her relationship with Tomoya, plus her character doesn't have that conflict inside her, she is determined to do the things she wanted to do regardless and as Tomoya puts it she would have no problem succeeding too if she didn't get extremely involved with Tomoya himself. Tomoyo actually has no conflict that needs to be solved at all as her problems only starts AFTER she started dating Tomoya romantically, and well, Tomoya doing lots of stupid things because of that, both in the funny and non-funny way.

Either way, I think we can all agree upon that Kyou and Tomoyo will probably get the most alternations on their story as both have at least half of their story hinging on some sort of romance elements that goes in conflict with Nagisa's route, whereas the others can remain 95% faithful. These two characters will be the ones which I'll be looking forward the most to see how Ishihara can pull off in a satisfying way.

I think I'm just torturing myself for all these Key adaptations as most of my favourite characters are the ones which cannot be easily represented (Nayuki, Tomoyo/Kyou) in an anime.

Like you mentioned in the end, there is no easy way to go about representing some of these things. I'm sure the lack of Yuuichi's confession alarm clock for Nayuki in the anime left many Nayuki fans reeling, but you can't do anything about that.

But I see what you're saying with Tomoyo, especially about the internal conflict part.

In any case, I'm not too concerned about the "intertwining route" thing as a whole, since I have a feeling it'll all work out in the end.

[nikorai]

Owaranai Destiny, Skyfall-san, mt-i-san
thanks for your replies and suggestions.

[FireChick]

I think Nagisa (渚, meaning "shore (of an ocean)") is a pretty name though. And unlike other Key characters, the significance of Nagisa's name is actually touched upon in the story too.

Ooooh.....I get it. Me is so sorry. Me is a dummy.

[Anacone]

Huh, discussion is already this heated ? There's plenty of time...I guess have to check it when it comes out, but I need to keep my usual low profile sun glasses :cool: that I don't get too heated and dragged by hype :heh:. Although it's getting harder because of amazing Kanon 2006. It might help again that I don't have any knowledge about original work.