Kyubi being sealed... NOT A REPEAT

[archzai]

hiii

im not sure if this has been posted before...

but i was always wondering... i've watched ep 1 recently and they jump from the 4th Hokage sealing the kyube and then to naruto with the seal on his stomach... what happened in between?

how did naruto get the kyubi sealed? wouldn't naruto hafta be nearby in order to seal the kyubi? was he on Gamabunta with the 4th Hokage then?

thanks in advance for the answers

[Hunter]

The answer is really simple : nobody knows ;)

There are countless theory but no fact.
Maybe The 4th was able to transfer the seal before his death, maybe Naruto is a clone of the 4th (yeah it's my crazy and wild theory :D), or maybe Kishimoto doesn't know it either :p

[eLstar]

The answer is really simple : nobody knows ;)

There are countless theory but no fact.
Maybe The 4th was able to transfer the seal before his death, maybe Naruto is a clone of the 4th (yeah it's my crazy and wild theory :D), or maybe Kishimoto doesn't know it either :p
Clone, Reincarnation. Either way is both wild crazy and hopefully what happened.

;)

[Hunter]

Clone, Reincarnation. Either way is both wild crazy and hopefully what happened.

;)

Absolutely.
I can accept anything, the wild and crazy theory of reincarnation of Dranz, the crazy and wild clone theory of mine, the crald and wizy theory of anybody, but not the father theory of everyone :nono:

[chImp]

He just sealed Kyuubi like Sandaime did with Orochimaru.

[Nine Devil]

Yes we think so ah btw USE SPOILER TAGS GODDAMNIT PEOPLE ARE READING THIS!!!!

[kingtaco]

Spoilers on what? Most of what they mention is in episode 1 and as for the other post (about sandaime) I doubt anyone who isn't reading the manga knows who sandaime is much less how a snaky someone sealed them.

[Nine Devil]

Mate if someone knows it or not its a spoiler euhm and i think many people know who sandaime is cuz its mentioned so much before on non spoiler threads so telling whats going to happen is afterall a spoiler.

[CardCaptorMoody]

How/why DID the fouth die?

[Doan]

How/why DID the fouth die?

Because, of sealing the fox into naruto.
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But i think, the sealed the fox in him self and turned to his younger self.

[archzai]

But i think, the sealed the fox in him self and turned to his younger self

THATS A VERY INTERSTING THEORY

although somewhat farfetched becuase people would recognize him no?

:)

nywayz... nono im not saying WHAT naruto is... im saying if he really sealed him in the Naruto when Naruto was still a baby... i doubt the seal could travel all the way back to konoha and go onto Naruto... Naruto mustve been there then... ?_?

[Dragon Flame]

we do see Naruto in some sort of circle, surrounded by candles, sort of like an altar for a ceremony, so i bet Naruto was there at the time, and the Fourth put te Kyuubi in Naruto on-site

[Yellow Flash]

If Naruto was Yondaime's clone, clearly it is a failure, at about 1% of Yondaime's chakra capacity and talent.

[Mr. Johnny 5]

We dont know anything about his chakra capacity Flash...dont make up things.

The only thing we knew is that he was a genius from the start. Like Neji, Sasuke, Orochimaru etc. etc.

But anyway true...if that would be true it is indeed a failure since Naruto is stupid as hell..and NOT a genius..

[KNETTER2000]

We dont know anything about his chakra capacity Flash...dont make up things.

The only thing we knew is that he was a genius from the start. Like Neji, Sasuke, Orochimaru etc. etc.

But anyway true...if that would be true it is indeed a failure since Naruto is stupid as hell..and NOT a genius..

For starters, I don't read the manga.. I only watch the anime.. so it's all based on what I know from that..

I'd say he IS a genius.. at least for some part..

He might not look it.. and act it for the most part.. he acts baka as hell, but some things sometimes make me think the contrary.. not in the way it's being projected as the standard "I don't need to learn and everything comes to me like it's nothing" genius but he definitely has his "genius moments".

I'm thinking about:

Mastering a high level jitsu like Kage Bunshin by only reading the forbidden scroll he stole from Sandaime when he wasn't even a genin at the time and even stank bad at something basic as Henge no jitsu.

Being able to perform Kuchiyose no Jutsu AND in the process being able to get the frogboss Gamabunta, again a definite high level Jitsu at genin level.

Mastering Rasengan in 3 to 4 days, not as it is supposed to be used, but by thinking up an entire different approach.. something that takes a good couple of years to learn anyway..

I'm not saying he's a standard genius, but I'd say learning those things at the rate he's doing, doesn't make him a failure at all and some part genius at least. Maybe a very slow genius.. :D

On the chakra part.. if referring to Yondaime.. I know nothing about his chakra capabailities.. but knowing that Naruto's got the Kyuubi inside of him, automatically makes him the one with the most chakra in all the narutoverse, Yondaime included.


So.. that's my thoughts on that..

[Lollerpants]

He is not a genius, this was stated COUNTLESS amount of times, the only reason he IS able to accomplish ANY feat let's just say that he has so far is becuase of kyuubi. The only reason he was able to learn any of those techniques was because of high stamina, from what? Kyuubi. Kage bunshin was just from "determination" and high stamina. Rasengan the same. And that kuchiyose was DEFINITELY from kyuubi because the chakra from Kyuubi was more... um.. apparrent in life-death situations.

Hence he is NOT a genius, end of story. Basically stated that if Sasuke was given those circumstances, he would have been able to accomplish them even quicker, which is what DOES make him a genius.

[KNETTER2000]

Gotta love those different opinions :D

[Hunter]

We dont know anything about his chakra capacity Flash...dont make up things.
YF and making things up are like synonym, don't ask the impossible.

I'd say he IS a genius.. at least for some part..
[...]
I'm thinking about:
-Mastering a high level jitsu like Kage Bunshin by only reading the forbidden scroll he stole from Sandaime when he wasn't even a genin at the time and even stank bad at something basic as Henge no jitsu.
-Being able to perform Kuchiyose no Jutsu AND in the process being able to get the frogboss Gamabunta, again a definite high level Jitsu at genin level.
-Mastering Rasengan in 3 to 4 days, not as it is supposed to be used, but by thinking up an entire different approach.. something that takes a good couple of years to learn anyway..

-It's possible that the difficulty of this jutsu is more about chakra usage than skill but ok that's impressive.
-Kuchiyose is a C-rank jutsu. It requires however huge amount of chakra. This isn't about being a genius, this is about being a chakra power house. And still as Jiraiya said Naruto sucks big time at this jutsu.
-Make it rather 5 weeks and not 3-4 days and I wouldn't say mastering until I see Naruto being able to use it with a single hand by himself.
I also feel about that as being a chakra power house and thinking outside the box rather than being a genius but still very impressive nonetheless.


All in all I say not a genius because Kishimoto says so anyway.
His world, his rules

[Last_Hope]

He is not a genius, this was stated COUNTLESS amount of times, the only reason he IS able to accomplish ANY feat let's just say that he has so far is becuase of kyuubi. The only reason he was able to learn any of those techniques was because of high stamina, from what? Kyuubi. Kage bunshin was just from "determination" and high stamina. Rasengan the same. And that kuchiyose was DEFINITELY from kyuubi because the chakra from Kyuubi was more... um.. apparrent in life-death situations.

Hence he is NOT a genius, end of story. Basically stated that if Sasuke was given those circumstances, he would have been able to accomplish them even quicker, which is what DOES make him a genius.

I don´t consider Naruto being a genius but I´d say that it is unfair to give all the credit to the Kyuubi. And just determination? Come on...

If that´s the case Sasuke certainly cannot be called a genius since he has the ctrl+c, ctrl+v ability thanks to his Sharingan. And he has been working hard just cause his brother gave him determination. Albeit in not a very brotherly way in the end.

I´d say Naruto is not a genius because everything has to be explained to him in a special fashion. Sasuke probably only needs to be explained the basics. The same with Neji. While Naruto needs everything explained into detail and simplified. But him taking the advantages he can does not rule him out as a genius. Cause that is what a genius do.

[Yellow Flash]

We dont know anything about his chakra capacity Flash...dont make up things.

We do. He used an S-rank jutsu at least a 100 times in a single day to defeat the Iwa Forces.
As we know, S-rank jutsu are the highest level, extreme difficulty and use large amount of chakra.

[KNETTER2000]

YF and making things up are like synonym, don't ask the impossible.


-It's possible that the difficulty of this jutsu is more about chakra usage than skill but ok that's impressive.
-Kuchiyose is a C-rank jutsu. It requires however huge amount of chakra. This isn't about being a genius, this is about being a chakra power house. And still as Jiraiya said Naruto sucks big time at this jutsu.
-Make it rather 5 weeks and not 3-4 days and I wouldn't say mastering until I see Naruto being able to use it with a single hand by himself.
I also feel about that as being a chakra power house and thinking outside the box rather than being a genius but still very impressive nonetheless.


All in all I say not a genius because Kishimoto says so anyway.
His world, his rules

So I looked up who this Kishimoto is.. ( dont kill me for this :D, I only watch the anime, not do backgroundstory searches, manga releases, find out who makes it and whatnot .. just watch the anime and enjoy it:D SORRY!!! ) and although I still have my reservations about it all.. if kishimoto says it.. I'll just have to go along with that..

like you say, his world, his rules :)

[Zek]

The only one of Naruto's accomplishments that seems unusually talented was his learning of Kage Bunshin, but that can be explained by saying that it's actually a very simple jutsu provided you have enough chakra, which most genin don't. Other than that, he's shown time and time again to have no talent whatsoever, instead learning things through sheer hard work(thanks to Kyuubi chakra) or creativity(alternate Rasengan method).

That said, you can't give all the credit to Kyuubi because Kyuubi inhibits his ability to mold chakra effectively. It's because Kyuubi is there that he has no talent in the first place, and overcoming that handicap is no easy task.

[Sazelyt]

... creativity(alternate Rasengan method).I wonder what creativity represents. Any guesses? Something like talent, for instance.

[Mr. Johnny 5]

We do. He used an S-rank jutsu at least a 100 times in a single day to defeat the Iwa Forces.
As we know, S-rank jutsu are the highest level, extreme difficulty and use large amount of chakra.

First of all...

He used his jutsu probably less then 50 times...you cant say atleast since we've SEEN him do it only 1 time.

The Rankings of Jutsu and the use of chakra probably confuse you...since the difficulty, power, impact, efficiency probably decide the ranking of a jutsu and not the chakra use.

We dont know exactly what lvl ranking the summoning of Gamabunta is could be C, B, A or even S ranked BUT...we do know that summoning Gamabunta requires a huge amount of chakra which consumes more then Rasengan which is A-rank.

So still we dont know how much chakra the 4th has or had.

Shiki Fuujin probably used only a small amount of chakra (since the 3rd Hokage used it after he was almost empty, drained)

There are many factors that decide the ranking of a jutsu like: risk, difficulty, efficiency, range/impact, chances of blocking, deflecting, disspelling, evading the jutsu. I dont think the required chakra has much value in ranking a jutsu.