Nanoha - StrikerS - Episode 01 Discussion / Poll

[monir]

Welcome to the discussion thread for StrikerS, Episode 01.

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[johnjefferson3]

this is indeed the best show ever for this season and as a hugh nanoha fan i had to sign up to be in thse forums, i was so happy that i got to see this show and can not wait until next week when episode 2 airs!!!! so as soon as this thread open i had to vote a perfect score, since the whole nanoha universe and story is just so excellent and is told wonderfully, and i like all the characters too, everyone must watch this show!!!!!

[aroduc]

Caps and a brief summary. Cross posted from the other thread.
http://www.seiha.org/blog/?p=30

Or if you just want caps

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4913/untitledlt0.th.jpg (http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledlt0.jpg)

Nothing but the LQ airs until tomorrow though. *sigh*

Brief spoilerfree version is "Great first ep. A little low on the drama since it's 100% training stuff, and a little high on the cheese factor, but it's a great intro to Subaru and Tiana's dynamic and abilities."

[QBnoYouko]

I watched all of what was on moetron's blog. I liked what I saw, Teana and Subaru are badass, and I'm certainly loving the feel of the new series. Like aroduc said, dynamic.

Love the OP as well (and the PV looks real juushi~) but I didn't get to see the proper end of the episode nor the ED, or anything after that. Forced to get that huge MQ file now. :X

[Village Idiot]

Subaru's spells:

Revolver Shoot -- Ranged attack. Ball of magical energy. Consumes 1x cartridge.
Break Road -- Creates a magical road path that a person can physically walk on.
Divine Buster -- Copied off Nanoha's. Consumes 2x cartridges.

She also did homages to at least four different Robot series (GaoGaiGar. Gear Fighter Dendoh. Combattler V. Alteisen(SRW)):D

[mikemil828]

Summary of the ending:

- Tiana remarks about how short Reinforce 2 is, her size wasn't apparent when she was on the monitor.
- Nanoha shows up, gets Reinforce 2 to lay off the rookies, Subaru is stunned by Nanoha's presence, having not seen her since Nahoha rescued her. Nanoha still remembers Subaru from that time, Subaru cries tears of joy, while Fate and Hayate watch from the helicopter

The Preview:

A Nanoha, Fate, and Hayate centered episode, Fate gets some action, and some much needed fanservice

[LoweGear]

Subaru's spells:

Revolver Shoot -- Ranged attack. Ball of magical energy. Consumes 1x cartridge.
Break Road -- Creates a magical road path that a person can physically walk on.
Divine Buster -- Copied off Nanoha's. Consumes 2x cartridges.

She also did homages to at least four different Robot series (GaoGaiGar. Gear Fighter Dendoh. Combattler V. Alteisen(SRW)):D

You think Subaru is secretly a mecha otaku? :heh: :heh: :heh:

I'm surprised no one's yet said anything about Teana's abilities, judging from the summary I read, since it seems she's quite the expert at illusion spells. I mean, Invisibility AND bunshins? :eyebrow:

[KBTKaiser]

AS Alegrias(SRW Alpha 3)? ...but she's a shooter type >>;

Here's one! Blanche Neige(SRWD)'s Knight Dimension!

[scientist314]

Great start for the new season. Even though there wasn't a whole lot of character development in this episode, at least it showed off the animation quality. I was a bit surprised to see Subaru use Divine Buster. Although, it was a little weak compared to Nanoha's at the beginning of the episode ;) . Looking forward to some more plot advancement next week.

[raidou]

hmmmm where the hell is Yuno Scrya , didn't see him in the opening to :( not that i hate Fate X Nanoha pairing :D

Opening not that great >< still prefer A's

[Village Idiot]

hmmmm where the hell is Yuno Scrya , didn't see him in the opening to :( not that i hate Fate X Nanoha pairing :D

Opening not that great >< still prefer A's

Yuno and Arf aren't on the cast list, though they'll probably show up as cameos here and there.

[raidou]

:( that suck, no explanation for that ribbon on his hairs :frustrated: shown on A's ending

[Village Idiot]

:( that suck, no explanation for that ribbon on his hairs :frustrated: shown on A's ending

IIRC, it was confirmed in an article that the ribbon on his hair is Nanoha's.

And Teana sure is something, using shotgun shells as ammo in a pistol.

[Key Board]

He got it from Chrono

[raidou]

IIRC, it was confirmed in an article that the ribbon on his hair is Nanoha's.

And Teana sure is something, using shotgun shells as ammo in a pistol.

yeah i know that , just expecting some kind of story behind it ><

Lol wonder whether teana will do any move similar to Weiss Ritter

[Xellos-_^]

Just finish watching Ep1.

A few thoughts - I like the new op/ed but A's op/ed was better.

Not as Action as A's first ep but that is epected since A's was a 13 ep series and S is a 26 Ep series. But still pretty good.

Form the op:

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4905/pdvd031jg5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Just me or does she look like Loli-size Rider :p

From the preview:

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5586/pdvd032kv9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Looks like Nanoha, Fate and Hayate are very friendly ith each other :naughty: I guess instead of asking for a twosome between Fate and nanoha, we should have been asking for a Threesome between Fate/nanoha/Hayate :D

Btw shouldn't the Nanoha sub-forum be move to the Current series Section

[raidou]

Well if you want Hayate X Nanoha X Fate , you have to include signum and gang too:heh:

[Ruri]

I laughed so hard when I saw the preview, because of Fate's sleeping posture...

[guest]

I laughed so hard when I saw the preview, because of Fate's sleeping posture...
But I think it is more realistic. Just look at all three of them. It is possible in real life to sleep like that. If you remember the scence with nanoha, arisa, and suzuka back in the onsen ep in the first season-and many, many other scences in the past-- that was just too "neat" to be real.

And, yes, Fate in that screencap, how cute. :)

[Serenity85]

finally saw the ep, and I'm pleased^^ I got my flashback scene, some very nice action/fighting scenes, not to mention some impressive spell action (teana's copy/illusion moves were very cool^^) and some kawai Reinforce 2 moments.

as for th pink hair girl in the OP, my guess is shes tied to the villain in some way cause she's "new" and we have no info on her which follows suit with the trend of not knowing the villian before the show airs. lets hope she doesn't completely follow the same bad girl turn good, at least not right away and she plays a huge role in things^^

[dkellis]

I have exploded in awesomeness.

EDIT: Okay, now that I'm marginally more coherent, I have to say that as an actual episode with story, episode one didn't really progress any major plotline much. There was quite a bit of shounen cheesiness, but it was still Relevant To My Interests mostly because it was cute girls doing it. Amazing how much shounen cheesiness I can forgive if it comes with a moe~ face.

But considering I marathoned the first two seasons prior to this in order to properly welcome StrikerS, I have to say that I loved pretty much every minute of the show. Yes, maybe I'll look back in a few days and compare this with other shows and judge it more objectively, but for twenty-five glorious minutes, I had an absolute blast.

I'm quite intrigued by Tia's illusions, since I didn't know that such things were even possible in the Nanoha-verse. Already the possibilities seem endless, although there would probably be some restrictions on that we don't know about yet.

Subaru, by comparison, didn't really hold my interest that much, largely because she seemed very, um, generic shounen hero(ine). Maybe she'll grow on me with time.

Can't wait for the HQ version of the raw, as well as the subs. That would make me explode in awesomeness all over again.

[dahl_moon]

Wow. Loved seeing the old gang back, but Subaru and Teana, don't they seem a bit overloaded with the 'coolness' factor? :heh: Completely shounen. I mean, we used to have staffs, poleaxes and swords, now we have rollerblades, uber glove and revolver with a rope gun that can attach to any surface! These girls are so next generation!

Teana seems like Fate somehow. Being extremely serious about things. And Subaru seems like Nanoha, straightforward, energetic.

EDIT: According to the official site. Hayate is currently 陸上二佐. Someone told me this is lieutenant colonel...

[Estavali]

Am I the only one who is glad that RH is finally using fairly accurate English? :p

Man, Subaru rocks, and Tia's illusion mojo is looking far better than expected.

As for that fan-serving preview shot... I would have expected Nanoha to be the one sleeping face-down instead (she's been doing it since the first season).

[JediNight]

Thoughts on Ep1:

Not as thrilling as Ep1 of A's thats for sure, but understandable in that they have a number of new characters they have to introduce. I didn't think Subaru's personality would be so weepy from the design of her character -- usually the fist-types and something like rollerblades would seem to be a more strong-willed and aggressive character.

I know they probably like their mages working in teams, but it seems kinda silly the restrictions on their magic abilities they have based on their choice of device. When Fate and Nanoha can just fly around freely, it seems ghetto to have to use a grappling wire or magical path to make it across areas. Granted they were just passing the B-class mage test there, so they aren't even up to the level of Nanoha in A's ... so maybe they do learn some flying and barrier magic etc.

And Ep2 preview ... it doesn't even seem like they are going to be introducing the other new characters yet, or at least they aren't a major focus of the episode like Ep1. Hopefully Subaru/Tia get the spiffier outfits after joining Nanoha's squad.

[Akarum]

Well I've seen all but the ending, and I am overwhelmed by joy!
This is so awesome, seeing the crew again. Not much action, but you get to see Teana and Subaru's "teamwork".

Wow. Loved seeing the old gang back, but Subaru and Teana, don't they seem a bit overloaded with the 'coolness' factor? :heh: Completely shounen. I mean, we used to have staffs, poleaxes and swords, now we have rollerblades, uber glove and revolver with a rope gun that can attach to any surface! These girls are so next generation!


So true! But still, I like their devices. I'm pretty sure the crew behind this serie will find some nice things to show us with those devices in future episodes.

Now all that's left to see is what kind of antagonist they'll have to deal with.

[Serenity85]

um Subaru and teana can't fly yet, it was mentioned in the manga that they hadn't learned how to do it yet

[JediNight]

Well, I'm just comparing it to Fate and Nanoha who could do it already in the first season, when Nanoha was probably considered a B or C rank mage as well. And I don't see how that type of magic would be difficult to learn, since it seemed more like a passive skill that you just turned on/off when needed, but didn't require much skill. I understand them not wanting to overpower the "newbies" though, and institute more teamwork-related tactics for us to see.

Subaru's Divine Buster was definitely not as powerful, but then again she's not nearly as powerful a mage as Nanoha so that should be a given. And she only used 2 cartridges compared to Nanoha usually uses like 3-5 or so? =D

[LoweGear]

Well, I'm just comparing it to Fate and Nanoha who could do it already in the first season, when Nanoha was probably considered a B or C rank mage as well. And I don't see how that type of magic would be difficult to learn, since it seemed more like a passive skill that you just turned on/off when needed, but didn't require much skill. I understand them not wanting to overpower the "newbies" though, and institute more teamwork-related tactics for us to see.

Subaru's Divine Buster was definitely not as powerful, but then again she's not nearly as powerful a mage as Nanoha so that should be a given. And she only used 2 cartridges compared to Nanoha usually uses like 3-5 or so? =D

Erh... in the first season, Lindy already attests to Nanoha and Fate being somewhere around AAA class when they were assessing their capabilities. And the SS (Sound Stages) shows that you need to learn how to fly; Nanoha herself was taught by Yuuno on that matter.

Nanoha also used only a couple of cartridges for her Divine buster in this episode, and in A's, I don't think we saw her using cartridges for DB. She only spammed her ammo when using more powerful attacks, like Excelion Buster.

[Serenity85]

well Fate and Nanoha were ranker AAA at 9 yrs old, and they had I.D. from the get go, so they had help to learn stuff. They were also kind of special rare cases of uber mages^^

lol, LoweGear beat me to it^^

[Jabawock]

Erh... in the first season, Lindy already attests to Nanoha and Fate being somewhere around AAA class when they were assessing their capabilities. And the SS (Sound Stages) shows that you need to learn how to fly; Nanoha herself was taught by Yuuno on that matter.

Nanoha also used only a couple of cartridges for her Divine buster in this episode, and in A's, I don't think we saw her using cartridges for DB. She only spammed her ammo when using more powerful attacks, like Excelion Buster.

In A's, Divine Buster Extension use 2 cartridges but she shout only "Divine Buster".

[dkellis]

Random thing I noticed on my second watch-through, since my Japanese skills are nonexistent: Tia doesn't have the twin pistols she has in the OP. Instead, she has a single pistol, which looks quite different.

She also only has the one pistol in the StrikerS manga.

I wonder when she'll get her twin pistols.

Also, I need to rewatch A's to see whether I'm just misremembering, but it's interesting to see Velka-style being just as accepted as Midchildan magic in the TSAB.

[LoweGear]

http://www.fencedude.com/Images/Lutecia.jpg

Lutecia, the mysterious pink-haired girl in the OP.

[Serenity85]

wow, where did ya find that pic? was there anymore info on her?

[LoweGear]

Courtesy of Fencedude, pic from the StrikerS Starter book.

[Serenity85]

dam I really want to know more, shes got the loli cute factor that makes her prime good guy material, but the mysterious no pre air info of a villian, gah must know more

[JediNight]

She looks like she should be in Pretty Cure =D

[Nightengale]

She looks like she's from Fate/loli night.

Fixed. :P

http://psb-mall.com/shop/data/1072210016/c43806_fate-rider.jpg

D:

[Chaos2Frozen]

I knew I should've moved mountains to find that book...


In A's, Divine Buster Extension use 2 cartridges but she shout only "Divine Buster".


How many words can she shout out with one breathe?

Oh yeah, the ED theme is pretty good compared to the previous one :)

EDIT:

Why...?! Why another cute, young and talented girl with- well, you know the rest of the tale...

[Village Idiot]

Thoughts on Ep1:

Not as thrilling as Ep1 of A's thats for sure, but understandable in that they have a number of new characters they have to introduce. I didn't think Subaru's personality would be so weepy from the design of her character -- usually the fist-types and something like rollerblades would seem to be a more strong-willed and aggressive character.

I know they probably like their mages working in teams, but it seems kinda silly the restrictions on their magic abilities they have based on their choice of device. When Fate and Nanoha can just fly around freely, it seems ghetto to have to use a grappling wire or magical path to make it across areas. Granted they were just passing the B-class mage test there, so they aren't even up to the level of Nanoha in A's ... so maybe they do learn some flying and barrier magic etc.

Its mentioned in the manga that Mages must have a Magic Ranking of A or higher or else flight magic is extremely difficult.

[Serenity85]

lol, they are scary similar even down to having a symbol on there forheads lol

[Village Idiot]

Also I find that the episode is much better after reading the StrikerS prequel manga.

Goes to show you just how much closer Subaru and Teana have become since they met at the academy.

[LoweGear]

Finally get to see the episode, albeit incomplete on streaming. And Yup, it IS awesome XD Subaru's mecha homages go so far as to her speech; someone give this girl a Super Robot now :D And Teana's invisibility and illusion spells are quite awesome to behold, and she doesn't lack with her Cross Fire Shoot XD

Nanoha, Fate and Hayate, it's nice to see you all doing well and still kicking ass. And yes, Raising Heart finally got that much needed English lesson :heh:

[JediNight]

You guys have any links to scanlations of the various in-between mangas that happen between A's and StrikerS? I think theres at least 2?

[JediNight]

I want to know what kind of enemy is going to have power great enough to stand up to the main characters now though... Fate and Nanoha based on their rankings, seem to be much more powerful than they were even in A's .... so having them + Hayate + Wolkenritter + Newbies .... seems overkill =\

[Village Idiot]

I want to know what kind of enemy is going to have power great enough to stand up to the main characters now though... Fate and Nanoha based on their rankings, seem to be much more powerful than they were even in A's .... so having them + Hayate + Wolkenritter + Newbies .... seems overkill =\

Most likely an SSS opponent (the highest known possible rank).

Or as heavily hinted on in the StrikerS manga, enemies with Anti-Magic Fields.

[LoweGear]

You guys have any links to scanlations of the various in-between mangas that happen between A's and StrikerS? I think theres at least 2?

Check the Nanoha Manga thread here - so far, three A's to Strikers Chapters and 2 StrikerS chapters have been scanlated (note that the StrikerS manga is simply a continuation of the A's to Strikers, basically pre-StrikerS).

[Chaos2Frozen]

Most likely an SSS opponent (the highest known possible rank).

Or as heavily hinted on in the StrikerS manga, enemies with Anti-Magic Fields.


'AN' ?! Why stop with one? :D

[LoweGear]

Gramatically, it's "A", not "An", but what the heck...

And yes, why stop with just one SSS Villain, when you can have a group of them with AMF? :D

[Darco_emp]

I finally i got some time bewteen work to post my throughts on the Ep. It really has been so long a wait or StrikerS hasnt it.

Firstly Exam to start the series is great and not far from what i was expecting anyways. It is a good way for viewers to judge the power level of the new Stars. and its a nice way to have some nice animatied action in the start of the new series.

Its also nice to see the Aces back again, and just from Nanoha's 3 spells you can see the overwelming power of the Aces. I hate to be the gunts reciving the oversized and overanged pink deathray.

The team play of Subaru and Teana are great to see, espically Teana's shoting action and invisble and illsion skills. and break road + Revolver attack and Divine Baster Combo by Subaru.

Overall such a great Ep Next week come faster.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Gramatically, it's "A", not "An", but what the heck...

I just blindly copy :p



And yes, why stop with just one SSS Villain, when you can have a group of them with AMF? :D

I'm starting to think that the reason why mages don't use AMF is because it would nulify their own magic as well...

After all, if it's an AAA rank spell, there should be plenty (Okay, many not alot, but enough) of people using it.

It would be an understandable handicap.

BTW, judging from the end part of the OP, the cannon-folders that Nanoha and Fate wasted probably aren't AMF equipped, so it turns out not all Drones have them...

Round 1
Forward Star & Lightning vs Droid Army

(Yeah I know it's 'drone', but you get the joke...)

[Meophist]

Gramatically, it's "A", not "An", but what the heck...I believe that depends on the pronounciation. If you're pronounciating "SSS" as "triple-es", then it would be "a". If it's being pronounced "es-es-es", then it would be "an".

[Petco]

Most likely an SSS opponent (the highest known possible rank).

Or as heavily hinted on in the StrikerS manga, enemies with Anti-Magic Fields.

They could make it like that Yu Yu Hakusho, where at one point the characters surpass the S rank in powerlevels and then just start using numbers to estimate power levels, like DBZ.



Speaking of powerlevels and DBZ.... if they had the enemy be much stronger than the combined forces of Nanoha, Fate, Hayate, the Knights, and the rookies; then it'd be out of control like DBZ.

At first, they can destroy rocks, then they're able to destroy buildings and mountains, then planets, then more planets, then the universe, then many universes, and then everything.

[LoweGear]

I just blindly copy :p




I'm starting to think that the reason why mages don't use AMF is because it would nulify their own magic as well...

After all, if it's an AAA rank spell, there should be plenty (Okay, many not alot, but enough) of people using it.

It would be an understandable handicap.

BTW, judging from the end part of the OP, the cannon-folders that Nanoha and Fate wasted probably aren't AMF equipped, so it turns out not all Drones have them...

Round 1
Forward Star & Lightning vs Droid Army

(Yeah I know it's 'drone', but you get the joke...)

Actually, that first part was for the both of you, but that's history. :p

Anyways, it is understandable that mages would avoid using AMF's on their own, since it'll also render their own spells useless.

Then again, It would be interesting to see a Mage that relied primarily on physical prowess, and uses an AMF just to even the playing field to make their enemies near useless...

@ Meophist: Point taken ^^;

They could make it like that Yu Yu Hakusho, where at one point the characters surpass the S rank in powerlevels and then just start using numbers to estimate power levels, like DBZ.

The ranks in Nanoha are just that: Ranks. They're not power levels per se in the usual sense, but simply assignments, and thus subject to change as the mage's potential is realized.

And I do not want "Over 9000" in Nanoha :frustrated:

[Chaos2Frozen]

Anyways, it is understandable that mages would avoid using AMF's on their own, since it'll also render their own spells useless.

Then again, It would be interesting to see a Mage that relied primarily on physical prowess, and uses an AMF just to even the playing field to make their enemies near useless...


What do you call a 'mage' that doesn't use magic? :heh:

Hell, even a 'knight' uses magic :p ...

Then again, now that they introduce a 'rider', how many more classes are there ? :D

[Village Idiot]

Remember though that the team Fate and the others wanted to create would be using primarily physical attacks and whom would fight within an Anti-Magic Field.

[LoweGear]

What do you call a 'mage' that doesn't use magic? :heh:

Hell, even a 'knight' uses magic :p ...

Then again, now that they introduce a 'rider', how many more classes are there ? :D

Well, he could be a Belka Type mage that normally uses magic, but against stronger opponents uses AMF to nullify his enemy's advantage in magic, making them victim to his skill :D

And god help us if this ever makes it as a homage...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/USSKenji64296/UnlimitedRagingHearts.jpg

[Meophist]

Well, if a mage has a AMF "spell", a problem occurs that the mage will have to overcome its own AMF in order to keep the spell running. This will make it an overly inefficient way of protecting oneself from spells.

Theoritically, a mage will only be able to keep an AMF field going that's half the mage's power, while using the other half of the mage's power to overcome the field itself. It would seem to be far more efficient to use barriers and shields as necessary as that would allow oneself to use additional magic.

One the other hand, AMF fields can be useful if activated by an external device. For this to be useful, the user needs to be proficient at non-magical combat. An advantage is that the user does not need to be a mage.

This is just starting to sound a lot like the game Saga Frontier 2.

…and I got hit by the redundant-acronym syndrome :(

[LoweGear]

We do know that machines can be made to cast magic spells - the Arc-en-Ciel and the AMF Drones are two good examples of machines that can cast spells, and the ID's and Armed Devices themselves are technically machines. It isn't implausible that with the proper technology, someone can create a device that can cast a steady AMF field.

[Darco_emp]

Well Nanoha have hinted that AMF can be overpowered via some High leveled spells, so i guess its not 100% magic null. heck Nanoha can get blast the surroundings with an AoE to destory everything in the AoE

[Meophist]

We do know that machines can be made to cast magic spells - the Arc-en-Ciel and the AMF Drones are two good examples of machines that can cast spells, and the ID's and Armed Devices themselves are technically machines. It isn't implausible that with the proper technology, someone can create a device that can cast a steady AMF field.If a such a thing is powerful enough, then it can be extremely effective against those who are unprepared. If a person can use a personal anti-magic AMF field effectively, they can possibly combat mages even without the use of magic. Of course, the problem then becomes range. If there were personal anti-magic AMF field generators, then I imagine mages will also use them as turning them on will amount to a good defense, and they can turn them off to do their own attacks. Since this is not the case, I imagine that there aren't any personal anti-magic AMF field generators, or if there are, they're extremely expensive and not worth it.

[Village Idiot]

Well Nanoha have hinted that AMF can be overpowered via some High leveled spells, so i guess its not 100% magic null. heck Nanoha can get blast the surroundings with an AoE to destory everything in the AoE

There are three known ways of bypassing an AMF:

1) Overpower it
2) Using non-direct attacks
3) Use physical attacks

It should also be noted that so far all those drones only had AAA Rank AMF. What if they encounter an SS or even an SSS AMF?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Remember though that the team Fate and the others wanted to create would be using primarily physical attacks and whom would fight within an Anti-Magic Field.

Yes, but those physical attacks still uses magic to set up,
'Stardust Fall' and 'Thunder Fall' still needs magic.

@Meophist
In that case, it'll explain why it's just easily to use barriers and shields.

@LoweGear
Machines have it easily, they don't need to worry about getting tired. So for them, when they detect offenive magic, flip a switch and they'll turn on the AMF. When they want to attack, switch it off.

[JediNight]

That's because magic in the Nanoha universe is more Magi-tech than true magic. There is supposedly "science" behind them casting the spells at a certain level.

After StrikerS we're just waiting for a Nanoha RPG or MMO to be made, aren't we? =P

[Decagon]

Comments about the episode... I liked the attention to detail with the fire and the explosion... For someone who hasn't read the in-between manga yet, I can say I like how the new characters were introduced and how the exam brought out their characters, even though Subaru seems slightly bipolar (ie: hyper, kickass, sad, kickass, sad, Nanoha-san~<3).

[Chaos2Frozen]

Well Nanoha have hinted that AMF can be overpowered via some High leveled spells, so i guess its not 100% magic null. heck Nanoha can get blast the surroundings with an AoE to destory everything in the AoE


I'm thinking it's because there's a rate of magic it can nulify, if the attack has more juice than it can 'dissolve' fast enough, it'll just blast right through it.

[Meophist]

I'm thinking it's because there's a rate of magic it can nulify, if the attack has more juice than it can 'dissolve' fast enough, it'll just blast right through it.
I imagine that little in the Nanoha-universe works in absolutes. AMF fields can only be so strong, spells that are stronger will likely be able to survive in the AMF field, although it'll likely be weakened.

[JediNight]

even though Subaru seems slightly bipolar (ie: hyper, kickass, sad, kickass, sad, Nanoha-san~<3).

Haha, I noticed that too. My take on it is that she's still trying to "become stronger" in the will sense of the word and magic power sense. Because in the flashback you see shes kinda weak and weepy. So she still is quick to turn kinda weepy .... something I really didn't see being part of her personality from her character design.

[Darco_emp]

Let hope the level of weepyness does not go into overdrive mode through StrikerS. a little I guess add depth to the chara, but too much is...

Still I wonder how many more is going to remark on Rein's tinyness before all the cast is introducted. :D

[JediNight]

If Hayate is going to use Reinforce for official TSAB duties, then she should really see about giving her a normal size lol ... like at least 4ft tall...

[kari-no-sugata]

Bit surprised there weren't more comments on Nanoha's property damage early in the ep.

As a quick summary: the firefighters know someone (Subaru) is trapped inside but can't get there. Inside, Subaru is crying for someone to save her. Nanoha finds her in time (seems she specically set out to find her - I guess this is after the main battle is over) and comforts her (in a rather maternal, or at least big-sister, way) and says she'll be taking Subaru directly out of there. Cue Raising Heart saying there's nobody in the firing path (no Japanese sub for that line) and disengaging firing lock - last time (only time?) we saw a firing lock being disengaged was Asura firing the Arc-en-ciel :D

It's interesting to see the effects Nanoha's spells have on everyday things - before we've pretty much only seen the effect on monsters or other mages. Looking at the relative scale of the hole in the airport roof as Nanoha carries Subaru through it, I'd say it was at least 25m wide. As a side-note, there was some clear "recoil" on Nanoha's Divine Buster.

If Nanoha's shot can go through several meters of concrete/similar so easily, I think military grade armour wouldn't last long either (unless it had anti-magic properties).


PS In comparing to Subaru's power, while her attacks look nice, if we consider the effects, then she is way behind Nanoha (not that that should be a surprise). As Subaru admits - she doesn't have much going for her, just her speed and close range attacks (she can't do medium or long range attacks)

[Chaos2Frozen]

If Hayate is going to use Reinforce for official TSAB duties, then she should really see about giving her a normal size lol ... like at least 4ft tall...


Still I wonder how many more is going to remark on Rein's tinyness before all the cast is introducted.


You kidding? I'm willing to bet that once the entire (current) cast is introduced, they'll take it to the bad guys turn to make fun of her :D !

[LoweGear]

Not to mention that it appears the Subaru's Divine Buster dissipates rather quickly when it got outside the building. Had that been Nanoha, it would've easily went on for miles ^^;;

And it really didn't bother me that Nanoha had to use Divine Buster, although I admit it was severe overkill. She easily could've done the same with an Accel Shooter. Either that, or the Airport was just well built, thus requiring a bit of firepower to destroy.

And I like how Raising Heart says that line:

"Ample Clearance Confirmation"

To make sure that no other poor souls, birds, aircraft and spaceships are in the way XD

Btw, what's "Kyoudotai" or something like that, when Nanoha was contacting HQ?

[JediNight]

Or Nanoha could have just put a barrier around them both and flown back out the way she came in? =P

But about Subaru -- I didn't pay enough attn while watching ... did she say she isn't very talented with magic? It always seemed to me that something like innate magic talent was only a starting point -- you may start out with a larger/more powerful pool to start, and pick up on stuff quicker. But that doesn't mean someone couldn't go "Rock Lee" on training and become just as powerful over time.

[JayF]

*Watches raw*

Bawwl I want my lolis back:(

[Chaos2Frozen]

Or Nanoha could have just put a barrier around them both and flown back out the way she came in? =P


Remember that they said the three of them just happened to be there on vacation? Well who knows how long they've been on the flight.

Nanoha just wants to stretch some muscles.


But about Subaru -- I didn't pay enough attn while watching ... did she say she isn't very talented with magic? It always seemed to me that something like innate magic talent was only a starting point -- you may start out with a larger/more powerful pool to start, and pick up on stuff quicker. But that doesn't mean someone couldn't go "Rock Lee" on training and become just as powerful over time.

The old fashion Genius vs Stubborn eh? Personally I don't care how admirable they are, 'genius' always will be cooler :p

On-topic, it does depend on the training as well as the character's own personality...

[JediNight]

I just dislike the thought of someone getting handed uberskill on a platter, and someone else working 5x as hard and still never approaching their skill level. Sure, we know Nanoha still worked hard with training, but this Magi-tech doesn't seem like something that would be capped. The way they explain it, it sounds like a muscle which you can strengthen like any other.

[Aaron008R]

Just watched the first episode RAW.........
One word, AWESOME!
GAH! Can't take it anymore!!! This is the best first episode I've seen in any anime I've seen so far! The action scenes were superb, the voice acting fitted perfectly, the BGM really got the mood captured and the character interaction showed were fitting for the scenes. (Mood Swings, FTW!)
And also, our loli Alt and Weiss combo were performance were superb! (Well, a little bit much for Subaru's case.)
By the way, for those who were already able to watch the RAW, doesn't Raising Heart sound frighteningly eager to move out? I actually heard excitement when RH said "Am I set up?"

[Sailor Enlil]

That's because magic in the Nanoha universe is more Magi-tech than true magic. There is supposedly "science" behind them casting the spells at a certain level.


In other words, this is all Technomagick (http://www.mants-lair.org.uk/Mage/technomagick.htm)? If so, it would definitely perk my interesest.

[Kensuke]

That's because magic in the Nanoha universe is more Magi-tech than true magic. There is supposedly "science" behind them casting the spells at a certain level.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from Magic." Arthur C. Clarke

Fullmetal Alchemist and Nanoha-series both use science or technology to make "magic", of course it has nothing to do with real science but it is not just abrakadabra magical powers.

First episode was certainly the most action centered first episode I have seen since Full Metal Panic! The Second Raid, it was a fun ride and nice way to introduce new characters.
Chibi-Reinforce ftw! :)

[Kiety]

after watching and rewatching ep 1 of StrikerS for various reasons, i didn't think i would shed a tear in the first ep, but I really did. I'm not sure what it's from, or a combination of many factors:

overcomed by joy of seeing StrikerS
Subaru's touching speach
Seeing Fate again

[mist2123]

the first ep was great

i thought the torrent was porn thank god it wasnt

[Incoan]

I'm just...Wow. That was a very impressive episode.
Those two new characters certainly have some stylish moves.

[Chaos2Frozen]

I just dislike the thought of someone getting handed uberskill on a platter, and someone else working 5x as hard and still never approaching their skill level.


Individual preference, I guess.



Sure, we know Nanoha still worked hard with training, but this Magi-tech doesn't seem like something that would be capped. The way they explain it, it sounds like a muscle which you can strengthen like any other.


There's ALWAYS a limit. Too much muscle isn't exactly a very good thing if your body can't handle it.

What that limit is depends on the physical and mental capabilities of the user, everybody's different after all. Even with technology.

[IchiKyo]

Welcome to the discussion thread for StrikerS, Episode 01.
Absolutely no spoilers for future events from the game or the manga in the anime thread.



Ah... So ok i will do with it :/
Anyway, about Ep1
Thanks for Dragnfly to make me Suffer ;) , I wait long and long for this One and I'm not disapointed so.
This Episode is Perfect... Not having much to say except

The Beginning... If you want to know about Subaru Trapped in the Fire... Go Reading the End Of Chapter3... Anyway Nanoha 15 Years Old Save the Life of The Subaru 11 Years Old. That's so cute and Beautiful, and Nanoha's more Mature The First Mission was more than a Training, it's show how Subaru and Tiana's Teamwork. Tiana is very Good For Long Range and Subaru for Short Range and Action. Tiana's more good for Magic than Subaru's for the Offensive. Even after Tiana's wound, Subaru don't want to let her partner/friend behind so to Finish this Objectif, a Great Cooperation with Tiana's Clone and Subaru Speed Offensive and Finished with mission in Perfect Success except the End , Ah ah ah Reinforce Zwei , Nanoha's not very Strict with her pupil? , Want to be Nanoha's pupil T_T. Anyway Opening's very good and the Ending Too!
The Next Episode, no Elio and No Carole... Maybe for later. Girls will now talk about what we want to know. Hayate's grown to be a very good Leader and Fate an Officer. Also Nanoha's best Instructor.

[KBTKaiser]

Btw, what's "Kyoudotai" or something like that, when Nanoha was contacting HQ?

Her callsign, I think? Instructor Squad 01?

[Sailor Enlil]

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from Magic." Arthur C. Clarke

Fullmetal Alchemist and Nanoha-series both use science or technology to make "magic", of course it has nothing to do with real science but it is not just abrakadabra magical powers.


Like I suggested, Technomagick (http://www.mants-lair.org.uk/Mage/technomagick.htm), rather than the traditional Sorcery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_%28paranormal%29).

[Chaos2Frozen]

Like I suggested, Technomagick (http://www.mants-lair.org.uk/Mage/technomagick.htm), rather than the traditional Sorcery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_%28paranormal%29).


I think we should have gotten that issue settled 2 seasons ago... :heh:

[Guppy]

Reinforce Zwei is officially awesome. :D She even holds a rank in her own right, although she's only an NCO... I guess she'd probably act as Hayate's adjutant in their normal duties.

Hmm, nanoha.com (http://www.nanoha.com/) seems to be down at the moment - the standard error message it's displaying cites "maintenance downtime or capacity problems." I wonder if they've got more interest than they expected, now that the first episode's aired?

[mouhitori]

I actually think the first episode is a bit flat because of the lack of suspense (it's only an exam, after all). I also haven't been following the Nanoha news, so the appearance of Mahou Shoujo Subaru & Teana is a bit of a surprise for me. I guess this is similar to how Raiden appear in MGS2.

Having said that, there are lots of good things in the episode, especially the music and also the new direction with all the girls getting much older. The action scenes are pretty well done too.
I think we are also on track to see Nanoha Jr. and especially Fate Jr. in Nanoha IV :D

More impression and a few more caps (http://mouhitori.blogspot.com/2007/04/nanoha-strikers-1wings-towards-sky.html)

[Nightengale]

Is that Ichiro Miyata and Makanouchi Ippo I see working together? Oh Shiii...

Wait, wrong series.

Anyway, the first episode was decent. Nothing outstanding in my opinion, but it gets the main idea of what it wants to show in episode 1 which is the dynamics of Subaru/Teana and what they're capable of well. It didn't really fill my quota of setting up the epic scale I was hoping to see yet, but it already felt more "involved" than A's and Nanoha since episode 1 really was more like a mecha series's field exercise episode (( something I haven't seen in a long time...maybe almost 5? )), only with girls channelling super robot vibes. Let's just hope they really up the scale when the shit officially hits the girls. Right now...with only one apparent loli villian and some cracky ugly drones that can be taken out by a well set up B-team, it doesn't truly feel that awesome yet.

Regardless, it's a good episode. The Miyata/Ippo dynamic between Subaru and Teana was well-concieved, and the final part where Subaru payed respects to mechanical hotblooded greatness so few people watch and appreciate was orgasmic. I'll give it a 7 out of 10.

P.S Am I the only who thought Elio looked awesome in the OP moreso than everyone else?

[Darco_emp]

I guess with the OP, that obscure line on the character infomation for Elio on something like converting Magic to Lighting or such starts to make sense now. I guess the affinity to lighting does go well with Fate. Makes me wonder on the power output through.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Maybe I was too young, or not well informed, but I don't get the reference of Subaru's attacks at all :heh:

Anyway, remember that we're at the first episode of a 26 episode series, so don't expect anything earth-shattering yet.


Let's just hope they really up the scale when the shit officially hits the girls. Right now...with only one apparent loli villian and some cracky ugly drones that can be taken out by a well set up B-team, it doesn't truly feel that awesome yet.


That's the worst part, we DON'T KNOW if she's a villian... Everything is guess-work.

If the OP is any indication, those 'cracky ugly drones' could be taken out by both Nanoha and Fate without even trying to aim.

Of course, any villian that uses machines to do their dirty work only has one combat strategy:

"If the current number of drones don't get the job done, add another '0' to the back and try again"


P.S Am I the only who thought Elio looked awesome in the OP moreso than everyone else?


I was expecting the color of his lightning to match his hair!

[LoweGear]

Maybe I was too young, or not well informed, but I don't get the reference of Subaru's attacks at all :heh:


Let me enlighten you:

Subaru's Revolver Knuckle in general = Gear Fighter Dendoh
Her Break Road skill = Combattler V
Her attack on that sphere's barrier by firing more cartridges = Super Robot War Original Generation's Alteisen Reise' Revolver Bunker Attack
And her Divine Buster = 95% a rip off of GaoFighGar's (From GaoGaiGar FINAL) Broken Phantom attack :D :D :D

If it turns out that Subaru's a closet mecha otaku she'll become my #1 StrikerS character by default XD

[Ichy]

Freaking awesome! I almost cried manly Tears of Joy :D
Hayate looks damn fine, and Reniforce Zwei was Uber moe :love:
Im Glad the old Cast is still in the Show.- Also the new Cast seems not so bad. No Competition for Hayate, but still fine XD I wish I could understand what they where talking about...

By the Way, who votet 1/10? :frustrated:

[IchiKyo]

Freaking awesome! I almost cried manly Tears of Joy :D
Hayate looks damn fine, and Reniforce Zwei was Uber moe :love:
Im Glad the old Cast is still in the Show.- Also the new Cast seems not so bad. No Competition for Hayate, but still fine XD I wish I could understand what they where talking about...

By the Way, who votet 1/10? :frustrated:


Just click on the 1 , next of the 1/10, you will see every names of everyone vote

[Duo Maxwell]

Yeah, I was surprise there's someone who willing to give this anime 1/10.
Meh, actually I don't care, since there are a lot of perfect and excellent :D.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Im Glad the old Cast is still in the Show


Only 'most' of them...


Let me enlighten you:

Subaru's Revolver Knuckle in general = Gear Fighter Dendoh
Her Break Road skill = Combattler V
Her attack on that sphere's barrier by firing more cartridges = Super Robot War Original Generation's Alteisen Reise' Revolver Bunker Attack
And her Divine Buster = 95% a rip off of GaoFighGar's (From GaoGaiGar FINAL) Broken Phantom attack :D :D :D


... Yup, I'm too young.

[Jabawock]

Yeah, I was surprise there's someone who willing to give this anime 1/10.
Meh, actually I don't care, since there are a lot of perfect and excellent :D.

There are some people who hate Nanoha series.
At least I see one guy that try to convince a famous blogger not to blog this series because he/she think it's waste of time to blog anime that he/she hate.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Yeah, I was surprise there's someone who willing to give this anime 1/10.
Meh, actually I don't care, since there are a lot of perfect and excellent .


To be honest, I wasn't. There's bound to be some sub-species of trolls going about an unholy crusade against popular series ... Only to get pwn by the fans everytime.

Last time it was 'Kanon' and 'Code Geass', I'm guessing this season would be 'StrikerS', 'Hayate' and 'Lucky Star'

@Jabawock
Wonder if he has given up yet? :heh:


EDIT -

Why StrikerS? Because ALOT of people love the previous two.

Why Lucky Star? Because it's Kyoto Animation.

Why Hayate? ... Gut feeling :heh:

[Lost]

sub-species of trolls going about an unholy crusade against popular series ... Only to get pwn by the fans everytime.
Nah; people have rights to what they like and hate, tho it'll be good if said person can come out and explain his giving the low rating. Or why he bothers.

On topic; downloading this hefty 500 MB raw, and at a time when my ISP decides to get shifty too, is really getting on my nerves.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Nah; people have rights to what they like and hate, tho it'll be good if said person can come out and explain his giving the low rating. Or why he bothers.


Oh they do explain, whether a not it's logical is a completely different matter...

Nonetheless, I do understand that they're free to express their opinion (no matter how much I hate it), but likewise I'm free to defend my views...

[physics223]

Has this series been subbed? http://zip.4chan.org/a/src/1175525175460.jpg

[Nightengale]

To be honest, I wasn't. There's bound to be some sub-species of trolls going about an unholy crusade against popular series ... Only to get pwn by the fans everytime.

Frankly, I wouldn't go so far to about the negatives against popular series. This world would be immensely boring if everyone shares the same perspective about things anyway.

I know tons of people who dislike mecha shows for various reasons, some ridiculous due to perceptions of limited shows when there's like 3566765 different variations of mecha shows out there, some justified for other reasons. Likewise, I knew a damn lot of people who thinks stuff like Naruto, Bleach are wayyyy better than any stuff labelled Magical Girls on it. And no, they never bothered to watch beyond the OP, much less get to know a different side to stereotyping. And also, there are people who just don't watch these kind of shows. Especially those that want to be wowed, PlanetES, Twelve Kingdoms, etc style. Shows that scream epic in a million degrees.

Put 1+1+1, and there's bound to be a huge number of them. And in that huge number, just like the GSD fiasco where everyone claimed they stopped watching after episode 30 due to vomit-inducing-nausea, when they are actually still watching it, there'll be people on the other side of the wall who won't like it. In fact, it's even understandable if people within the walls don't exactly like episode 1. Just that I don't really see how it deserves a 1. Maybe a 3 at worst, even if judged solely by seiyuu performance and the technical aspects of the show.

Yeah, useless ramble.:heh:

[Chaos2Frozen]

Yeah, useless ramble :heh:


Yet you never fail to amaze me with them.

Don't worry, if they're not trolls, they won't feel offended...

[Shadow Angel]

Just finished watching eppy 1 and I totally enjoyed it though the only downer was that. The video was to bright and what not.

[Lost]

Heh, we have a sub (http://yesy-fansubs.net/site/)

Yes, a SUBTITLED version. :love: My heart goes to the good people at yesy. Assuming this isn't a hoax. :p :p Which it shouldn't be; considering they are a respectable group. :heh:

[DJ_RockmanX]

Yesy is alive? It's good to see them up and running again. And they sure picked a nice project to go with. :D

[Kensuke]

Heh, we have a sub (http://yesy-fansubs.net/site/)

Yes, a SUBTITLED version. :love: My heart goes to the good people at yesy. Assuming this isn't a hoax. :p :p Which it shouldn't be; considering they are a respectable group. :heh:
Now that was fast, but I see it is a LQ version, so I think I will wait for high quality version.
Kudos to yesy staff. :bow:

[LoweGear]

This version of Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS is low quality due to the broadcast type and area of the last airing. As soon as a higher quality raw is avaliable, we will release another LQ release, as well as a HQ version.

At least, we have subs :D

To Celebrate, have a Broken Magnum... erh, Revolver Shoot:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/USSKenji64296/Subaru-RevolverShoot.gif

[Skane]

[yesy] is doing MSLN StrikerS? This is happy news to me. :) I love their translations, especially after Utawarerumono.

Cheers.

[Lost]

Indeed. :) Watching it now. And wow. I don't believe I'm actually watching it. Somebody pinch me, please. :heh: Wow. Comments up later.

[Loner]

So we've evolved to having fansubs released only 24 hours after an episode first airs? Now I REALLY feel the "old" in "old school". What's next? Will I eventually find myself in a conversation like:

"Hey, there's a subtitled version of the 4th season opener!"

"But... they've only made THREE seasons of that show! That opener doesn't EXIST yet!!"

"Well, you know how good the fansubbers are these days..." :heh:

[KBTKaiser]

... Yup, I'm too young.

Well, other than Combattler V, the rest are under 10 years old. >>;

[Kinny Riddle]

http://www.nanoha.com/onair/onair1.html

According to the airing schedule, Wakayama city has a 24-72 hour head start than the rest of Japan in airing Nanoha StrikerS episodes. (On Sundays while bigger cities like Kyoto/Osaka and Tokyo/Chiba have to wait till Tuesdays. ) Considering that Wakayama isn't exactly a big city (pop. ~380,000), raw capturing technology probably isn't as adequate as in the big towns. Hopefully we'll see some higher res raws by Tuesday.

[Lost]

^ That's nice to hear. It would be nice to rewatch the OP over and over again in HD this time. Okay, about ep 1.

Secret Ambition is in a league of it's own; I mean, Eternal Blaze (S2) was a little differently flavoured than Innocent Starter (S1), but both were still relatively close. For S3, StrikerS, however, Secret Ambition is in no way close to it's two precedents. (I know it's no point comparing, but I can't help it.)

kur0gan described it as "manly" and in an indescribable way, that's pretty true. I'll try to describe it in my own works. Secret Ambition isn't a song where a lot of feelings, especially innocent and uncertain feelings, get through thru the vocals. If I would have to use a word to describe it, I'd say that this is a "up-and-fighting" song. From the start we have a strong and confident vocal that just gives the idea that they have no weaknesses, fighting for victory all the way. Is it also significant that "boku" is used? The only remotely strained vocals I heard was near the end. Sadly, this lack made Secret Ambition kind of fall flat for me. I want more teenage (read: loli) uncertainty and difficult-decisions-angst in the vocals! No, really. Also the tune, I guess, had much a part to play - a pretty strong, and kind of forward tune thoughout the OP, if you ask me, that was too uniform.

The sequences of the OP, however, are an entirely different matter. :D Well, epic describes it well. Especially zooming into the Fate and Nanoha henshin preview; I do not know how many times I replayed the OP just to see that. While this time the scenes did not fit as well with the music, it was still an enjoyable watch.

In all, the OP wasn't all that good for me. Secret Ambition is a meh song to me atm, but hopefully, by the end of StrikerS I'll be loving it, as happened with A's.


I'm happy. StrikerS definitely got started off on a strong episode. :D The introduction of Teana and Subaru was necessary, and that they did it well at that. The action was pure eye candy, as were the both of them hehe. :heh: Anyway, I was really wowed to hear Nanoha's matured voice (same seiyuu, I'm told), and after all this time of waiting; so that, if I may quote this, "I cried manly tears." Also, I got goosebumps hearing Raising Heart's vocals again; Donna Burke FTW!

Seriously tho, what I liked about the first episode was that they quickly got into that emotional (emo) spirit, the spirit that I watch and love MSLN for, almost right away; with Subaru getting trapped, later between her and Teana, and finally her reunion with Nanoha herself. It was this that especially made the episode such a strong one for me.

And, lastly, about Nanoha's barrier jacket; I honestly prefer her having a fully covered dress. The way it is now (while yes it does show off her miniskirt) makes her armor actually look comedic. :upset:

[Shadow Angel]

Took better looking screens from the reair here they are

http://s103.photobucket.com/albums/m145/Shade-Hikari/Nanoha%20StrikersS/

[Skybit]

Well...I have not watch it yet lo but i hope it is even better then the last nanoha...

Cannot wait to see how nanoha is realli like in adult form ^_^

[Kikaifan]

Wait, what the hell? Hayate still has the Book! The brown one, not the blue thing Rein Zwei carries!

So confused. I thought all she still had was the Schwertkreuz...

Err, anyway, I liked the episode plenty. The visuals in the opening seemed quite sharp even with the low video quality. The combat animation for Subaru and Teana's trial seemed well above the par set by A's, and Subaru's moves are very flashy, but I still feel like the shots are just too static a lot of the rest of the time. I agree with... I think it was Lowegear, it's nice to have a character outside the presumably permanently-departed Aria with good illusion skills.

[Key Board]

from the official site:

she has several devices

she has a staff which is an armed device
a book which is a storage device
and reinforce zwei which is a unison device

when all three work in conjunction she can bring out her true power. (eyes become blue, hair becomes white)

I guess they wanted to design a character that is different from your usual cartridge fed mages. Instead of using more and more cartridges to power up, she combines super robot style. XD

[Serenity85]

lol, hayate is the ulitmate weap^^ 3 in one fun, now I wanna see this in action^^ *pictures gundam seed destiny's impulse style combination for hayate^^*

[Loner]

from the official site:

she has several devices

she has a staff which is an armed device
a book which is a storage device
and reinforce zwei which is a unison device

And Reinforce has her own (blue) book, if you weren't confused enough. (Wait, if she has the Blue Book, does this mean she's in charge of buying their vehicles as well? ...sorry. :uhoh:)

I'm also getting the impression, though I have nothing to base it on besides one brief part of the opening, that Hayate will be spending most battles in the commander's chair rather than out in the combat zone.

[Kikaifan]

from the official site:

she has several devices

she has a staff which is an armed device
a book which is a storage device
and reinforce zwei which is a unison device

when all three work in conjunction she can bring out her true power. (eyes become blue, hair becomes white)

I guess they wanted to design a character that is different from your usual cartridge fed mages. Instead of using more and more cartridges to power up, she combines super robot style. XD

Bah, I want red eyes back.

Okay, that's a lie, I really want R1 back. Thanks for the info though.

[Key Board]

relax we all want happy tome back

but who knows... I noticed that Hayate's magic circle is purple in the OP. The same color of original Reinforce

Hayate's circle was white at the end of A's

[Woden]

That could have to do with the whole multiple device thing...

[Timeless Enigma]

I wasn't totally impressed by this episode, but it sets the scene for the new characters though, so that's fine.

I'm not sure if I like Subaru that much though. I've never really enjoyed hotblooded shounen, and it seems like her character is pretty much that right now. I do like Teana however, so I'll keep my eye on her.

Other than that, I don't really have high expectations for this show, I just hope it will be fun to watch.

I am saddened by the exclusion of Yuuna Scrya... I suppose you have to remove some characters if you're adding at least 14 new ones >_>.

[Xellos-_^]

relax we all want happy tome back

but who knows... I noticed that Hayate's magic circle is purple in the OP. The same color of original Reinforce

Hayate's circle was white at the end of A's


THere was also something someone posted back in the fan thread about how Hayate was calling Signum by her title and Rein I was the only that used to call to her back that title.

So there is good chance that Rein I could be back.

[Key Board]

IIRC, that happened in the A's sound stage and took place before Hayate went berserk

[kari-no-sugata]

Interesting to see that there's a sub out already - obviously some keen fans out there :D

I was going to write an in-depth summary of the whole episode, but since it's been subbed, I'll just write a few comments on bits I particularly liked.

The idea to go with the exam was a good one I think. Though it's the 3rd season, most of the setting previously had been around Earth while this time the Earth may not get that much if any focus (maybe later?). Also, there's many new characters to introduce. Some series decide to have a very busy and complex (and often rather confusing) first ep... while also introducing a lot of mysteries. However, since StrikerS ep 1 is very focused, it really helped (I feel) get more deeply into the series. Since it's an isolated physical exam, it's quite easy to follow, and doesn't require learning a bunch of new terms etc (something some series suffer from early on).

For example, we get a lot of insight into Subaru and Teana, including their abilities. While Teana's background is a bit of a mystery at the moment (for those who have only seen the ep, not prequel manga or other info sources), we get a good insight into what motivates Subaru, and how she's changed since 4 years ago.

The structure of the ep also allows the newcomer stars to get some decent screen time - gives them some room to shine.

It was also interesting to see Fate and Hayate as "commentators" (I bet we'll see some fan-art that uses such an angle) with Rein as the "referee". I couldn't help but smile as soon as Rein turned up as the ref.

It's also interesting to see that everyone seems like a "pro" - ie had a varied mixed of skills and spells. With everyone now having many years of professional magical training and experiance, that's to be expected really and it comes through in a nice and subtle way.

It's really interesting to see Nanoha's 19 year old personality - she's still kind and friendly Nanoha yet there's been some subtle changes. For a start, she does feel a lot more mature, even if her voice hasn't changed too much (become a bit richer and deeper). She was very calm about dealing with the situations at hand - relaxed, yet professional. At the very end of the test, she doesn't remotely panic or rush in casting a spell to save Subaru and Teana. She's almost too casual about it...

I also smiled at the way she arrived at the end, calming down Reinforce, putting the "minor things" (Subaru's recklessness) aside and focusing on first-aid. All with a few simple lines.

[radister]

Okay seen the ep and loved it

truth be told,
if you said nanoha to me two months ago, i would have said "nano-what?"
but after watching season 1 and 2 in February
well we all know the rest

Nanoha has taken top highs!

as for ep1 of Nanoha StrikerS
It rocked! i got to admit i was thinking subaru personality would be more like teana.
but these two new characters have nothing to hate, there great!

i can't wait for ep2!
this ep was great
a 10/10!

[Kaioshin Sama]

So did they add any new loli characters to the cast this season. I theorize they are going to have to make up some ground to please the loli crowd now that Nanoha and Fate are all grown up.

[JediNight]

I wonder where Nanoha rescued Subaru from? Those weren't "Earth firefighters" as they had funky backpacks and mentioned mages themselves. Yet Subaru is a Japanese name, so...

[DJ_RockmanX]

So did they add any new loli characters to the cast this season. I theorize they are going to have to make up some ground to please the loli crowd now that Nanoha and Fate are all grown up.

Fate's adopted kids might do the job if that's what you're lookin' for. :heh:

I wonder where Nanoha rescued Subaru from? Those weren't "Earth firefighters" as they had funky backpacks and mentioned mages themselves. Yet Subaru is a Japanese name, so...

Everything in episode 1 took place in Mid-Childa. Subaru Nakajima is named after Fuji Heavy Industries divisions (as states Wikipedia). Her name is written in katakana, as native Japanese-sounding it is.

[JediNight]

So did they add any new loli characters to the cast this season. I theorize they are going to have to make up some ground to please the loli crowd now that Nanoha and Fate are all grown up.

Yeah, Fate is now commander of the Loli-tai. She has Carol and Elio who both are like 11/12 years old. Nanoha gets Subaru and Tiana, who are like 15/16. Although if I read correctly, Vita is also in the Nanoha-tai, so theres some perma-loli for you ;p

Interesting that they have entire abandoned cities to practice in on Mid-Childa ;)

[kari-no-sugata]

Interesting that they have entire abandoned cities to practice in on Mid-Childa ;)

Also interesting that it's the area around the coastal airport 8... last seen burning at the beginning of the ep. Seriously, that incident was quite a bit bigger than just the airport!

Looks like we'll get a bit more info in the next ep...

[JediNight]

You think firefighters on Midchilda wouldn't have ineffective backpacks, but instead teach them water magic ;D If it was just the 1 spell they had to practice, it shouldn't be as much work to learn hehe

[Loner]

You think firefighters on Midchilda wouldn't have ineffective backpacks, but instead teach them water magic ;D If it was just the 1 spell they had to practice, it shouldn't be as much work to learn hehe

Hah! Seriously, though, it's been stated before in the series and the manga that people with Linker Cores - presumably, that means LCs that have enough power to light a match, at least - are very rare, such that the Bureau is constantly short handed. Since the TSAB is built around those people, they naturally have a lot of magic-powered machinery (since they do have the power to run them), but it makes sense that the rest of the population therefore has to get by with mundanely-powered equipment.

[guest]

Still waiting for a better quality raw. Maybe we should write to the TV station who first broadcasts Striker S, "Dear sir, the entire international nanoha fandom depends on your broadcast. Please get a better master dvd!" This would be a record of pirates threatening copyright holders for better quality. :heh:

[FlareKnight]

I liked the first episode. Of course a month ago I had no clue what this series was about. After a week of watching the first two series I'm glad they made this just so I found out about it. Nice work by yesy getting it out to us. Know they'll do a good job.

Nice episode with plenty of action to get us started off. Subaru and Teana were quite the team out there. The mix of shooting and close combat was fun to watch. Makes me wish I had exams like that instead of multiple choice and essays :). Couldn't help but start laughing when Teana lost it at Subaru due to her negative thinking about whether the plan would be a good idea. The variety of magic really impressed me as well. From 'fake silhouette' to the quick rescue made at the end of the episode.

I agree that the maturity of Nanoha was quite the shift. She's still the nice Nanoha but obviously she's grown emotionally on top of in ability and psycially. Clearly Subaru had a tough background but having Nanoha rescue you isn't so bad. Glad they made sure all space ships and animal life was cleared that was on hell of a shot.

Really enjoyed how things got started. This is one series I'll enjoy watching.

[Wandering_Youth]

Meh. I guess after watching 2 seasons of Nanoha this latest one doesn't seem very exciting anymore. It's nice to see how the old crew is doing now with their lives but other than that I don't find the first episode interesting. It's kind of odd seeing the old characters being professionals now. I'm still use to how everyone was a rookie hero in the last two seasons.

Oh yes, I was kind of shocked to see everyone now all grown up with a mature personality and nice bodily figures. :heh:

[MetaFire]

I personally thought the episode was ok, nothing was that spectacular. Maybe I'm spoiled by the awesomeness that was eps 1 and 2 of Nanoha A's. First off, seeing Nanoha and co. again was great, except for the fact that they did absolutely nothing except make random comments about the difficulty of the test. Subaru being half megaman/half fist on rollerblades was pretty cool. Teana having a single gun feels like it might be a limiting factor later in the series. I'm completely in love her personality though, all business no play ;) . They really need some flying ability though, otherwise how are you gonna handle flying enemies that could bombard you from above?

I personally thought having a test as an opening episode was weak. I also thought that the characters needed to be put into more danger to start off the series. Teana breaking her leg by tripping as a set up was really blah. Also having the characters use cartridges in a test felt like they were cheating. Having Nanoha prepare herself for something in the middle of the ep and then having nothing major happening was a tease. I was really hoping for something to go awry that Nanoha and Co would have to step in... like the appearance of a cool new enemy to ruin the party instead of the the girls almost running into a concrete wall.

Dunno, I felt let down. Maybe because of the lack of awesomeness that is Vita... :(

[Village Idiot]

You gotta remember that its a 26 episode series now so the pace will likely move a bit slower than the first and second season.

And for the test...remember that Subaru/Teana are both C (now B) Ranked Mages. Even Nanoha back in the first season eclipse them in power.

[Timeless Enigma]

For the ones who need lolis in this show, you'll get at least 3, so don't despair.

[Village Idiot]

You know what I'm really waiting for?

Its the tiny thing that was mentioned back in the A's to StrikerS manga.

Vita using illusion magic to look older.

[Chaos2Frozen]

You know what I'm really waiting for?

Its the tiny thing that was mentioned back in the A's to StrikerS manga.

Vita using illusion magic to look older.


Perhaps that'll be shown when/if the whole gang returns to Earth for whatever reasons...

[Petco]

So we've evolved to having fansubs released only 24 hours after an episode first airs? Now I REALLY feel the "old" in "old school". What's next? Will I eventually find myself in a conversation like:

"Hey, there's a subtitled version of the 4th season opener!"

"But... they've only made THREE seasons of that show! That opener doesn't EXIST yet!!"

"Well, you know how good the fansubbers are these days..." :heh:

Lol, I actually thought about that with the triad.

For their April 1st joke, they said they released Nanoha StrikerS episode 1 and subbed it already before it even aired.


Also, speaking of lolis - Nothing really compares to my love of loli Nanoha and the other main characters.

[JediNight]

Why would Vita even need illusion magic for it? If she's still just a program ran by the Yami no Sho, then it should be easy enough to alter her appearance if she wants to...

[Chaos2Frozen]

Why would Vita even need illusion magic for it? If she's still just a program ran by the Yami no Sho, then it should be easy enough to alter her appearance if she wants to...


THATS what the Illusion magic is, to alter her appearance. But in the end it's not a REAL appearance.

And now that Reinforce is gone, they can't change anything... Well thats not to say they could to begin with.

[Xellos-_^]

So did they add any new loli characters to the cast this season. I theorize they are going to have to make up some ground to please the loli crowd now that Nanoha and Fate are all grown up.

There is a Loli-Rider in the opening :p

[Sailor Enlil]

To Celebrate, have a Broken Magnum... erh, Revolver Shoot:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/USSKenji64296/Subaru-RevolverShoot.gif

Why do I get the feeling Subaru borrowed it (or perhaps stole it) from Natsuki/Duran (from My HiME)?

[Woden]

Edit: Never mind

[Proto]

I am saddened by the exclusion of Yuuna Scrya... I suppose you have to remove some characters if you're adding at least 14 new ones >_>.

My guess is that the staff didn't like his complaining back in the second season

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/379/bangai02fn8.th.jpg (http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bangai02fn8.jpg)

[Chaos2Frozen]

My guess is that the staff didn't like his complaining back in the second season

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/379/bangai02fn8.th.jpg (http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bangai02fn8.jpg)


Poor fellow, now he's completely kicked out... should have kept quiet :heh: ...

[Seiryuu]

WOW.
Wasn't sure what I'd think with Nanoha-tachi all big. But it looks like this is going to be awesome. I don't think this'll be "slow-paced" compared to the other series, just more thorough. For a show like this, 26 eps doesn't mean they have to stretch to make things fit, just that they've got the room to have some real fun, and probably pull a few HiME-ish twists that just wouldn't work on something shorter.
As far as fanservice, it seems like they went out of their way to make sure this season has satisfaction of every guilty pleasure. There looks to be two loli characters, one new and one old, along with a depressed goth-loli. We've got a few who're too old to be "loli" but still too young for high school. And of course we've got three beautiful goddesses on THIS side of the legal line, just barely, with all the grace and beauty they didn't quite have in the 3rd grade along with the absolute armageddon-before-breakfast power and friendship-through-beatdown mentality we've come to know and love. Plus, the preview seems to indicate some very interesting situations coming soon...

[Woden]

Poor fellow, now he's completely kicked out... should have kept quiet :heh: ...

He probably isn't COMPLETELY kicked out. He's just not a central character, or even much of an important one. Yet. He'll probably show up when they have to find out about some ancient artifact or something.

[Chaos2Frozen]

He probably isn't COMPLETELY kicked out. He's just not a central character, or even much of an important one. Yet. He'll probably show up when they have to find out about some ancient artifact or something.

Nono, I was refering to the OP (Since the joke was about it), he's now completely kicked out of the OP :heh:

[Vexx]

The series seems to have a bit of fun for many factions: loli, magical combat, milfs, young women, mecha-action (substitute cute for armor), ....
ah well... I liked the first two seasons sufficiently to use it as my "action series" for the season.

"It looks like its kind of like that show... The Unit ... but with high-powered tech-magic females and much less of that 'at home' soap opera stuff"
(comment made by wife at dinner, the show she refers to is about a super secret strike force)

[Outlaender]

Lo, and behold, for there is much Niftyness!!

Now that I've settled down from my Nanoha fix, I have to say that I
thoroughly enjoyed it. Some complain that there wasn't enough "action"
in the first episode- I figure that watching Subaru and Teana go through
their paces was plenty of action. It may not have been as dramatic as when Nanoha tachi were nearly taken down by the Wolkenritter, and Nanoha
had her Linker Core tapped (that scene gave me some chills, when I saw it the first time), and Subaru seemed quite the Drama Queen, but many good series
don't start with a bang in the first ep.

Interesting tech the firefighters have- looks like high-pressure water mist guns.
This is actual technology for firefighting that's being developed- IIRC, the french
developed a mist cannon for helicopters to fight skyscraper blazes. (the Mist works much better to cool the heated gases, and to smother the fire, than a stream of high pressure water. Nanoha makes a big boom! This is the first time
I can remember Nanoha causing physical damage to a structure- Of course, she
hasn't been trying to blast buildings before... But that is one big hole she made.
(The firing lock- this could be atributed to her having actually joined the TSAB
officially- she likely didn't have any restrictions before, because she was a "non-affilliated civilian" from a world not administered by the Bureau, regardless
of being a AAA mage or not.

I have to say, the op music doesn't quite have the punch of Eternal Blaze, but the opening animation is plenty nifty. It looks like we'll be seeing mecha playing a more visible supporting role in this series, besides just the Arthra, if the transport
that was glimpsed in the op is any indication. Which makes sense, since Hayate's
group is supposed to be a mobile unit, and the junior members cant't fly (yet). I have to say, that Subaru's roller blades actually make some sense for a ground combat mage- even if physical abilities can be boosted with magic, running
would cost quite a bit of energy, not to mention the strain on magical reserves. So, Subaru has the equipment for covering quite a bit of ground quickly, as she so
_clearly_ demonstrated. (Braking? What is this "braking" you speak of?) ^_^

Subaru and Teana have some cool moves, anyway. Well, next episode looks to be
more exposition on what the terrible trio are up to, and why (the manga has more
backround, but the Airport incident seems to get the ball rolling), so those who want to see some magical mayhem may (may, I say) disappointed. I'll be looking forward to it, anyway.

I do feel a bit sad that Yuuno appears to have little to no part to play, especially the way the teaser at the end of A's had him show up, but I'll wait and see. On the whole, it does appear that we'll be treated to quite a bit of action in the course of the series.

[Nightengale]

Nono, I was refering to the OP (Since the joke was about it), he's now completely kicked out of the OP :heh:

So, in short, everything's Chrono's fault?

Had only he not pegged Yuuno to "you should be able to do a good job" with the librarian stint... (( Then again, maybe Yuuno is now a ROD's Master Librarian...))

Had he not get married (( you would've loved that )) and gotten kids...making Arf shafted two times over in the combat department...

He's not in the OP too (( so is Acous/Karim, but they aren't high-in-demand yet so that's no one's fault )), but he's almost guareented to show a certain degree of action, even if it's ship commanding. Life's not fair. He screws 2 even if unintentionally, but gets the benefits. and better clothes. (( Unless there's a formal Head Librarian uniform we're not aware of... ))

[raidou]

Why do I get the feeling Subaru borrowed it (or perhaps stole it) from Natsuki/Duran (from My HiME)?

Probably on the shooting part , but the whole thing is closer to broken magnum(the spinning ring)....At least that knuckle didn't fly off her hand.I wonder whether she will get the other pair from Ginga and does H&H copy :D

Someone mentioned that Yuno gave up on Nanoha somewhere in the manga because of her lifestyle, not sure which chapter :\

Btw there is HQ Op version in stage6

http://stage6.divx.com/user/mwhead2/video/1174991/Mahou-Shoujo-Lyrical-Nanoha-StrikerS-OP

[Chaos2Frozen]

@Nightengale

...Quit bring that up!!! =p

And you're rambling again :heh:... Though this one does make sense in a kinda funny way...


(( Unless there's a formal Head Librarian uniform we're not aware of... ))


For some reason they need to replace him... Perhaps the library isn't as safe as we thought... :heh:

No wonder Chrono sent him there.

EDIT:


Someone mentioned that Yuno gave up on Nanoha somewhere in the manga because of her lifestyle, not sure which chapter :\


What? Since when? He only talked about her in chapter 3... brb...

edit(2): The exact words were -

Fate: Nanoha loves her work very much, but I think Yuuno-kun still worries about her right?

Yuuno: Yeah, I do get worried sometimes, but... Ever since I first saw her in the sky, somehow I felt that... More so than anywhere else, she belongs in the sky.

[mist2123]

in this new season i hate the new character they are crap I only like the old ones (nanoha,fate,hayate) thats about it

and the ep was perfect

[FlareKnight]

Haha who needs brakes :). The roller blade idea isn't that bad if you can't fly. Though yeah some sort of braking system (outside of crashing) could be a handy idea.

Poor Yuuno the guy just has no luck. Guess they couldn't find a good place for him in the OP.

[raidou]

@Nightengale

What? Since when? He only talked about her in chapter 3... brb...

edit(2): The exact words were -

Fate: Nanoha loves her work very much, but I think Yuuno-kun still worries about her right?

Yuuno: Yeah, I do get worried sometimes, but... Ever since I first saw her in the sky, somehow I felt that... More so than anywhere else, she belongs in the sky.
Yeah i guess that's what he is referring to.

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/627/lolmv4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Skane]

Having watched the fansubs, I finally appreciated the sheer awesomeness of it all. :D Despite being weepy, Subaru is not spineless. This episode has a lot of elements normally associated with "shounen" series, and it kicks all sort of ass when applied to girls with overwhelming power.

Random Thoughts on Ep01:
---- ----

It is easy to understand why Subaru idolises Nanoha. As a young impressionable kid, being rescued by a beautiful lady and carried to the starry night sky as she embraces you against her body... damn. It almost seems romantic. :heh:
.
They laid down the rules pretty quick in this episode. Explaining the strengths and weaknesses of Teana and Subaru. I guess they wanted to avoid one-sided battles in the future. :heh:
.
Unlike most hot-blooded male leads in Shounen-series, Subaru shows that she does have a measure of tactical thinking. She may still have her occasional hiccup (letting her guard down and not knowing how to brake), but at least she proves that she can come up with a workable combat plan (to take out the Sniper-bot).
.
Foreshadowing of Teana's background story. :heh: Hopefully it will not become a red herring.
.
Raising Heart sounded pretty desperate to set up. I guess she hasn't been seeing a lot of action lately. :heh:

"We need more enemies, my master!"
.
Who created Raising Heart anyway? Yuuno was her original master.
.
Raising Heart now has "safety locks". :heh: Ah... the joys of administration.

"We need to lift the limit NOW! Where's the damn authorisation?!"
.
No Bardiche. :(
.
Subaru is going to be in the same group as Vita... another person who excels in close-combat to the extreme, but lacks in long-range combat abilities. Personal lessons from Vita? :D
.
I noticed that they did not reveal Hayate's transformation scene... Given that Hayate's combat ranking is higher than either Fate or Nanoha, I am guessing that they will only show Hayate's transformation scene when they something as a last resort. :naughty:

"Fate and Nanoha can't handle it? Reinforce Zwei! Prepare for sortie!"
.
I will so hack a lung out loud if they parody a Robot-Combination scene for Hayate's Unison-Transformation.
.
Even better... Hayate unifies with her Knights. :heh: I mean hey, the four of them can be the limbs. :p

Cheers.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Poor Yuuno the guy just has no luck. Guess they couldn't find a good place for him in the OP.


It's all a conspiracy!

(Well not really 'no luck', Nanoha did want him to go with them on a hotspiring trip.)

@raidou

For the record,

... More so than anywhere else, she belongs in the sky.


Only means that he won't worry about her too much. :D

[Village Idiot]

Foreshadowing of Teana's background story. Hopefully it will not become a red herring.

They already explained Teana's backstory in the manga.

[Chaos2Frozen]

They already explained Teana's backstory in the manga.

Which chapter was that again?

I remember something about her losing her brother 3 years ago I believe...

[Village Idiot]

Ch 5 and 6 I believe.

[raidou]

It's all a conspiracy!

(Well not really 'no luck', Nanoha did want him to go with them on a hotspiring trip.)

@raidou

For the record,


Only means that he won't worry about her too much. :D

Ahh no no what i mean 'he' as in the guy that mention this in omni blog >< not yuuno

Haha Nanoha did want him to take bath together with her before she knows she is a
boy :p

I think that Subaru idolizing Nanoha also has something to do with her mother being a mage to :D. Teana background a little bit on 5 ,mostly on ch 6.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Ahh no no what i mean 'he' as in the guy that mention this in omni blog >< not yuuno

Haha Nanoha did want him to take bath together with her before she knows she is a
boy


Ah, my bad...

@Raidou & Village Idiot
My chap 5 scan is in chinese, and I can't read a word of Japanese in chap 6... Luckily there's wiki...

[Gearhead]

Who created Raising Heart anyway? Yuuno was her original master.


The Scrya dug her up. Yuuno wasn't her master so much as he was trying to use her to boost his own abilities... he actually isn't a very good combat mage. Though he IS ferociously powerful at dimensional, binding and analysis magics. Probably can dance rings around just about anyone else on theory too.

[Village Idiot]

The Scrya dug her up. Yuuno wasn't her master so much as he was trying to use her to boost his own abilities... he actually isn't a very good combat mage. Though he IS ferociously powerful at dimensional, binding and analysis magics. Probably can dance rings around just about anyone else on theory too.

He also makes other libranians look like nubs.

[Chaos2Frozen]

He also makes other libranians look like nubs.


Don't forget transformation! He can "go where no man has gone before!"

[mist2123]

Don't forget transformation! He can "go where no man has gone before!"

its actually funny:D

[Guardian Enzo]

Well, I have to admit I found that kind of meh. The formula felt old and tired to me - and none of the new characters especially appealing. As for Yuuno's absence, well - I will miss him, but as pretty much all he did in S2 was shout "Nanoha!" in alarm, it really doesn't amount to much either way. A really good character, but the writers never knew what to do with him after the first arc.

[Wandering_Youth]

I just noticed something when I re-watched the episode. Yesy fansubs called Nanoha's intel weapon "Raising Heart" but isn't it suppose to be "Raging Heart?

[Village Idiot]

I just noticed something when I re-watched the episode. Yesy fansubs called Nanoha's intel weapon "Raising Heart" but isn't it suppose to be "Raging Heart?

Its confirmed in official articles to be Raising Heart.

[JediNight]

Skane: I think safety locks and clearance checks are in order when your 3rd most powerful spell causes a 10m wide blast to go out several miles from the initial point ;)

Btw is the quality on that D-TV raw for Ep1 any better than the 500mb raw? Otherwise I guess maybe I should wait another day for a better raw.

[Village Idiot]

recent update from yesy's site

The current raws which have been capped from the Mietv airing are not of high enough quality to warrant a re-encode of StrikerS. These raws include the Sayaman raw (D-TV 704×396 DivX640 24fps) on Tokyotosho and the “MTV 640×360 DivX651, ZtLHFWR4KO” raw propagating on share. Hopefully the KBS airing (4/04 2:00 AM JST) will yield good results.

[JediNight]

Okie np, even the current raws are far better than what was available 5 years ago, so it will do for now :)

[DJ_RockmanX]

I just noticed something when I re-watched the episode. Yesy fansubs called Nanoha's intel weapon "Raising Heart" but isn't it suppose to be "Raging Heart?

People have used those two so interchangeably. Although she's clearly saying Reijingu Haato!, Raising Heart has become the fashionable official term for Nanoha's device.

I hope you can tell which one I prefer. :p

[Kaioshin Sama]

For the ones who need lolis in this show, you'll get at least 3, so don't despair.


Am I that obvious now? Yikes! Well I guess it wasn't that hard to make the connection between a mecha fan and...you know. My thoughts on the trend are that as long as you're not breaking a law you might as well go along for the ride.

[nadare]

... So Yuuno is not going to make an appearance on strikers? Now there is no one that can interfere between Fate X Nanoha... except maybe Sobaru xD

[Key Board]

Nanoha does not have a love interest. You have to understand her mindset.

Her closest soul mate would be Raising Heart.

No, I am quite serious about this. Heck, the StrikerS ED was all about her x RH

[Tokkan]

Although she's clearly saying Reijingu Haato!,

That has absolutely no bearing on whether it is one or the other. It's like how ribaasu is both reverse and rebirth at the same time. There's no way you can say for sure which is correct just by only looking at the kana.

[Nightengale]

... So Yuuno is not going to make an appearance on strikers? Now there is no one that can interfere between Fate X Nanoha... except maybe Subaru xD

Minus the fact that Fate actually sounded a little supportive of Yuuno x Nanoha...Well, she and Hayate are ...*sighs* over Nanoha's current pace with Yuuno in their relationship.

Anyway, I wouldn't discount Yuuno. He's almost guareented a cameo and possibly minor roles towards the end, likewise for every other character not named Lieze and Graham. (( They so clearly deserve one though )) Besides, when are we going to know more about Scrya? Yuuno's character is one brimming with potential, but alas, it almost looks as if the writers are mishandling his potential.

You know, I keep getting the image of Fate/Hayate pressing the wrong buttons, setting the test difficulty to maximum SSS level, just like one time where Gambit literally screwed Cyclops in the Danger Room by making him face Omega Red, Magneto, etc at the same time. Doesn't help that Teana's new upgrade shown in the OP looks like it came out of X-Men, what's with the X-Men logo on it.

Edit : The seiyuu for Nanoha doesn't neccesarily speaks the name "Raising Heart" from the english romanizations. When she's reading from the katakana, then the sound of "G" is almost always there. Pretty much how Asuran -> Athrun even when the "S" sound is there , if we want to be wholely technical.

[DJ_RockmanX]

That has absolutely no bearing on whether it is one or the other. It's like how ribaasu is both reverse and rebirth at the same time. There's no way you can say for sure which is correct just by only looking at the kana.

Maybe so, but please explain then where the hard "g" sound in "Raging" goes in the transition to the word "Raising". :confused:

[Ottocycle]

The 'zi' sound of 'si' in Raising Heart(as opposed to the 'si' in 'sing') as used can be translated as the 'ji' katakana syllable.

Another official example would be the Japanese name for the Final Fantasy series, which is pronounced as Fainaru Fantajii.

[Tokkan]

Maybe so, but please explain then where the hard "g" sound in "Raging" goes in the transition to the word "Raising". :confused:

That would be because ji is also zi. It's hard to fully explain, due to it being Japanese phonetics, but ji is really zi, and that's just how a Japanese person pronounces it, and it's only romanised as ji so someone can properly read it the way a Japanese person pronounces it, but using English phonetics instead.

[DJ_RockmanX]

yare yare... beaten twice. :p

Actually, I fully understand where both of you guys are coming from. The example of FF drills that into my head pretty damn hard too.

*slaps self*

[Key Board]

Minus the fact that Fate actually sounded a little supportive of Yuuno x Nanoha...Well, she and Hayate are ...*sighs* over Nanoha's current pace with Yuuno in their relationship.

What are you referring to? The soundstage drama? If so then that's not the correct way to put it.

I will break it down for you guys, so I hope there is no longer any misunderstanding

First they wonder if they Nanoha is going out with Yuuno. She's not.
Then they talk among themselves about how they misread the situation and point out that Nanoha and Yuuno are on sibling terms.
Then they go on how both Nanoha and Yuuno love their job/dreams more than anything else.
Then they compare these two to themselves and realize that hey, they too have dreams.
I believe the author is trying to say something about the women in Nanoha. Don't you wonder what "Secret Ambition" means? I believe I'm getting to something

Now about Yuuno. How is a gentle way to put this..

Yuuno is removed from staple character status because they couldn't find a way make his character worth any considerable screen time

You know how in certain shounen shows where token support character does nothing but shout [insert character name] ? They didn't want Yuuno to be trapped in such a sucky role.

That and they need to make more airtime for the newbies

[Skyfall]

This was Very Good for a first episode.
Subaru turned out to be much more of a crybaby than i expected, but i have no doubts she will make for a good character. She is not spineless. (Lol @ the lack of brakes :heh: )

Nanoha has stolen loli-Fate's hairstyle! I want Fate with pigtails :sad: ... not that it looks bad on Nanoha :heh: And she has power locks on her spells ? :heh: Better safe than sorry, right ? :p

Reinforce = cute :) I loved how Subaru and Teana just stared at Reinforce when she was scolding them :) I wonder how many more "gags" we will see related to Reinforce's size ? :)

For those who are looking for some romance between Nanoha x Yuuno - i highly doubt it. They already have a monster sized cast to work with, and i am afraid Yuuno will be left sitting in his library off-screen for the vast majority of time. He will get a cameo or two, but nothing much besides that i am afraid. (Or their romance will be added as an afterthought at best, if at all)

As for the whole Raising/Raging Heart - is that really important ? :) Fans have been calling them both ways (even though Raising heart is the official one as far as i know) since for as long as i can remember, and it has never been an issue :)

Can't wait for the next ep >.<

[JediNight]

People have used those two so interchangeably. Although she's clearly saying Reijingu Haato!, Raising Heart has become the fashionable official term for Nanoha's device.

I hope you can tell which one I prefer. :p

Personally I think Raging Heart sounds cooler myself, but the other 2 answered you already on why it is Raising Heart.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Once again, like the whole deal with magic-technology, aren't we supposed to have this whole name-calling issue settled since last season or earlier? :heh:

As for my take on the romance... So far this seriess has been, in my opinion, disappointingly lacking in that department, so I wouldn't be surprise if they F-ed me up again this time...

But then again, this 26 episode show has just started, so I won't be so quick to place bets just yet...

[JediNight]

I just don't think its the type of series you should ever expect to see the main characters paired off in romantic relationships. The otaku would revolt ;p Basically Nanoha and Fate are like real life idol singers -- they aren't allowed to be paired off, because then the crazy otaku won't be able to easily picture themselves with the characters anymore.

(As crazy as that sounds -- real life idol singers are usually contractually prohibited from having romantic relationships, at least publically, as much of their idol fame depends on the fantasizing of the fanbase....)

[Klashikari]

this might be an exception though... most of the fanbase imagine pretty well some... tasty relationship between Nanoha and Fate, ya know? :heh:

it won't be canon, but the hints are really awkward (the DramaCD is gold :naughty: )

[Sorrow-K]

Holy crap, I can't believe this thread is not even two days old and already has 10 pages of replies. I knew Nanoha was popular... I didn't realize it was this popular.

Ok, this is stock standard sci-fi shounen action and no one's expecting any more from this show. Interesting enough, it looks as if the sci-fi elements in this series are going to be far more prominent than in either of the previous two, which gives me reason to be apprehensive, since, in my eyes, anime (and most other forms of media, with the arguable exception of novels) doesn't have a great track record with sci-fi. With that said, the action sequences in this first ep were pretty good. Clean, pretty animation, fast-paced action, beam spam and the rest... there's no question that the idea was to start with a bang, and it'll probably set the tone for the rest of the series. Which is good (and strange) since usually it takes quite a bit for an action sequence to catch my attention in anime, since most of the time it just feels like I've seen it all before (hence why most action anime bore me).

Conversely, the drama was very weak... but one can't ask for strong drama in a first episode, since we don't yet know the characters and it's hard to really care for their plights at this stage (obviously there are some rare exceptions to this...) But, it made for an interesting comparison with A's, which I thought had a few pretty good examples of drama, but hardly any good examples of action. Maybe it signifies a change in focus for the franchise, which I wouldn't approve of, since it was the drama that made StrikerS's predecessors interesting (and I'm not saying Nanoha's drama is top-tier... I'm saying it was interesting enough to make for some good watching). Or maybe I just shouldn't be speculating so much this early in the season...

Fair ep overall. Not the greatest first ep ever, but a good old fashion turn-off-your-brain-and-enjoy fare. Final word: something about Subaru reminded me of Naruto.

[Chaos2Frozen]

I just don't think its the type of series you should ever expect to see the main characters paired off in romantic relationships. The otaku would revolt ;p Basically Nanoha and Fate are like real life idol singers -- they aren't allowed to be paired off, because then the crazy otaku won't be able to easily picture themselves with the characters anymore.


Well, I can understand the crazy otaku part (They are crazy...)

But the writers have to be equally nuts to not have any pairings just because of them. Not ALL of their fans are unsound....

[Woden]

Hopefully we won't have any "BELIEVE IT!" moments... Oh God...

[JediNight]

I just mean that the fans revel in the "forbidden fruit" relationship of Fate x Nanoha that everyone likes to parody. I really don't see the writers pairing up Fate or Nanoha with anyone (male hehe) in the show. Yuuno is basically written off at this point, and even if he does show up in the 2nd half of the season, I don't think he would have a relationship with Nanoha if he hasn't in the last 10-12 years =D

[Seiryuu]

I forgot something I'd been wondering when I first saw this: does Nanoha have any sense of proportion or restraint? In the airport, she used one of her stronger blasts to create a hole to get out of... a hole that was at least 30 feet in diameter. To get out of there she really didn't need such a powerful blast. If you want to break a hole in the ceiling to get out through doesn't mean you have to also make a hole in the moon if it's passing by. It just seemed like overkill, even for someone as trigger-happy as her.
Also, how much time was supposed to have passed between the airport and the test? Nanoha doesn't seem a day older though enough time should have passed to show a great deal of visible change.

[Chaos2Frozen]

does Nanoha have any sense of proportion or restraint?


We may never know, I don't recall her being sent on a mission of peace nor have I heard of her being assigned to recon.



To get out of there she really didn't need such a powerful blast. If you want to break a hole in the ceiling to get out through doesn't mean you have to also make a hole in the moon if it's passing by. It just seemed like overkill, even for someone as trigger-happy as her.


Then lets ask ourselves this question, does it make a difference to her situation if she blasted a 1 metre wide hole or a 30 metre wide hole?

And if any of you were in her shoes, which would you choose to do? :D

She doesn't have to, but like any gamer, the reason is because she can.


Also, how much time was supposed to have passed between the airport and the test? Nanoha doesn't seem a day older though enough time should have passed to show a great deal of visible change.


15 years old to 19 years old... Not much of a physical difference.

[JediNight]

I poked fun of the situation as well, but really I wouldn't think too deeply about it. It's undoubtedly because it "looks cool" so they tossed it into the 1st episode to woo fans. And she didn't even bother to use Starlight Breaker or Excelion mode ;D

[Chaos2Frozen]

I poked fun of the situation as well, but really I wouldn't think too deeply about it. It's undoubtedly because it "looks cool" so they tossed it into the 1st episode to woo fans. And she didn't even bother to use Starlight Breaker or Excelion mode ;D

Obviously she was trying to impress the kid!

You can't just show all your cards just yet! You got to know when to hold! :D

(Btw, this is a joke, I'm just kidding... Sort of...:uhoh: )

[Loner]

I forgot something I'd been wondering when I first saw this: does Nanoha have any sense of proportion or restraint? In the airport, she used one of her stronger blasts to create a hole to get out of... a hole that was at least 30 feet in diameter. To get out of there she really didn't need such a powerful blast. If you want to break a hole in the ceiling to get out through doesn't mean you have to also make a hole in the moon if it's passing by. It just seemed like overkill, even for someone as trigger-happy as her.

Actually, the Divine Buster is her most basic attack. The only weaker attack she has is the Divine/Axel Shooter, which isn't the best design for making a large hole.

And with this being Nanoha, who we know trains to be able to keep track of multiple things in combat simultaneously, why only make a hole just to get her and Subaru out? Since the building obviously would have to be condemned when all is said and done, make a hole big enough to dump massive amounts of fire suppressant into! Like, say, using her magic to grab a bunch of water out of the river (I believe I saw one nearby in the episode) and drop it into that hole.

And finally, I think I figured out why she used cartridges for that shot. It wasn't to boost the power of her Divine Buster - it was to minimize the amount of her own magic that was needed. After all, the fire was caused by a Lost Logia which probably didn't just disappear, so she'd need to contain that. AND she needed to help stop the fire before it became the Great Fire of Midchilda. So she probably didn't want to exhaust her own stamina.

[Nightengale]

You know how in certain shounen shows where token support character does nothing but shout [insert character name] ? They didn't want Yuuno to be trapped in such a sucky role.

Hmm...I stand corrected then. *on the drama cd thing*

Regardless, not knowing how to deal with the obligatory side-token support character is a just weak excuse. Look at Pop from Dai no Daibouken for example. He's clearly a lot weaker than the top-tier characters, but despite being the token-support character, he actually shined way more than all the other characters in my opinion. I'll give the writers the benefit of the doubt and that they're just bored with Yuuno. I still think he's the character with one of the largest development potential to exploit, but the writers favour girls, I suppose.

But on the romance side of things, I think I've said it before, but it'll probably go nowhere. The key to success in that area of multiple fandoms, regardless of size is clearly to never give in to the fans. Look at Getbackers for example.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Regardless, not knowing how to deal with the obligatory side-token support character is a just weak excuse. Look at Pop from Dai no Daibouken for example. He's clearly a lot weaker than the top-tier characters, but despite being the token-support character, he actually shined way more than all the other characters in my opinion. I'll give the writers the benefit of the doubt and that they're just bored with Yuuno. I still think he's the character with one of the largest development potential to exploit, but the writers favour girls, I suppose.


Agree, but as someone said before, the writers overly favors the main characters...




But on the romance side of things, I think I've said it before, but it'll probably go nowhere. The key to success in that area of multiple fandoms, regardless of size is clearly to never give in to the fans. Look at Getbackers for example.


Still, isn't it about time they stop yanking our chains?

...Wait, on second thought, if they decide to choose something I down right wouldn't like, I'll rather they continue to yank...

[Forever]

Hmm slightly disappointed with this ep. Maybe Nanoha A's was too good that make this ep look ordinary. The grown up nanoha's just dont give that kind of omph anymore.

But it is good to see Nanoha and gang back up again.

[Darco_emp]

Feret can only entertain us for so long til the joke be comes cold. beside I for one never really noticed Yuuno after season 1 anyways. since there are a greater cast and all the joke can go to the tinyless of Rein its much easier to write off a character that saids himself that he spends alot of time in animal form.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Feret can only entertain us for so long til the joke be comes cold. beside I for one never really noticed Yuuno after season 1 anyways. since there are a greater cast and all the joke can go to the tinyless of Rein its much easier to write off a character that saids himself that he spends alot of time in animal form.

/shrug

He's an Excavator. He digs. Probably needs the animal-form to fit into tight places...

Besides, it seems ferrets attract cute, young, innocent little girls.

They dig it.

[Ashlotte]

Well from the first part of the episode I was happy to see nanoha hasnt changed one bit...Why make a barrier and walk out of the building when you can simply blow a giant hole in the roof amirite? :heh:

Ah but that aside the new characters where OK. Subaru didnt do too much for me but teana was fairly interesting and im very much looking forward to her picking up that second gun along the way. ;)

All and all im just glad nanoha is back.

[Lost]

Vita using illusion magic to look older.
Woah, I'd kill to see that. :uhoh:


It is easy to understand why Subaru idolises Nanoha. As a young impressionable kid, being rescued by a beautiful lady and carried to the starry night sky as she embraces you against her body... damn. It almost seems romantic. :heh:


Raising Heart sounded pretty desperate to set up. I guess she hasn't been seeing a lot of action lately. :heh:

"We need more enemies, my master!"
Cheers.


Heh, was that why both blushed when they looked at each other at the end? Fate, move over! :heh:


Yep, I felt that too. Can't blame her really; and when you think about the amount of power Nanoha wields through Raising Heart, just stagnating must be really hard to take.

I forgot something I'd been wondering when I first saw this: does Nanoha have any sense of proportion or restraint? In the airport, she used one of her stronger blasts to create a hole to get out of... a hole that was at least 30 feet in diameter. To get out of there she really didn't need such a powerful blast. If you want to break a hole in the ceiling to get out through doesn't mean you have to also make a hole in the moon if it's passing by. It just seemed like overkill, even for someone as trigger-happy as her.
Also, how much time was supposed to have passed between the airport and the test? Nanoha doesn't seem a day older though enough time should have passed to show a great deal of visible change.I think that Nanoha has no way to control or limit the power of an attack once she actually activates it. One may argue that the roof of the dome was so thick that it warranted or required a blast as powerful as that to blow a hole through. Also, incinerating every last bit of that roof portion would ensure that no falling debris could hurt the both of them.

Others may argue that it was simply fanservice. :)

IIRC, four years past between two events. I was wondering that too: while Subaru changed alot, Nanoha didn't look that much different.

[Darco_emp]

I think that Nanoha has no way to control or limit the power of an attack once she actually activates it.



Or that attack could be as weak as she can make it...

[Kaioshin Sama]

Well, I can understand the crazy otaku part (They are crazy...)

But the writers have to be equally nuts to not have any pairings just because of them. Not ALL of their fans are unsound....

BRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEAAAAAAAAKTHROUGH! God what was that from....Oh right David Hyde Pierce in Titus. You've just hit one of the major problems in modern anime, Studio's fear of creativity and discretion due to the possibility of sweaty otaku backlash. I say screw the Otaku.

What we need these days more than anything is for Yoshiyuki Tomino to come in with a hammer to start breaking some anime figurines and to start arguing with himself over how he doesn't like his creativity being cowed by anyone. Then I'll be there to start the cliche slow clap and get the ball rolling.

[Dagger]

IIRC, four years past between two events. I was wondering that too: while Subaru changed alot, Nanoha didn't look that much different.
Makes sense to me. Subaru was a little girl who became a teenager. Nanoha was a teenager who became an older teenager / young woman. Not that anime characters are closely connected to reality or anything, but women tend finish developing in terms of both height and secondary sexual characteristics much earlier than men (I've looked pretty much the same since seventh grade despite now being in college, for instance, and the Nanoha who rescued Subaru would have been older than that).

[physics223]

I find this show to be quite trite. It's a personal opinion, but I don't really obtain any fun from cheesy stuff (for the most part, that is). I will look further into this series as it progresses, however. Maybe it's just the low-quality raws I've seen . . .

[EadTaes]

Well it was a very good start to StrikerS and realy make syou wanan see th rest. However their was one scene I didn't liek and made me go WTF HEIN?! from the moment i saw it to each and everysingle time after that. Althout that scene can be decrived as "COOL" to me it's annoying.

What scene is that? Simple it's the scene that makes Nanoha look liek she is realy weaker then she is. Lets me explain. You Hava Nanoha that was a AAA mage right form season 1. Throught season 2 she is also weived at AAA. From the A's to StrikerS mange and in StrikerS it self it's likely a few S's have replaced those A's. So now why teh hell in the world would she need to consume 2 catriges to blast a hole thought a roof?????

I thougth ofve many different excuses but none would fit logicaly at all. 1 was that it was to conserve enegy since it might be a long rescue. But I rulled this out since compared to combat a rescue uses very litte power to someone like here. And i kept on going with different otehr possibilaties but they all broke donw on any bases for logic. In the end the only logical conclusion i coudl come up with was that it looked "COOL" for the weivers and if it looks COOL that it goes in.

And otehr things that only slightly bothered me but was OK after analasis was that Subaru's device also used a cartrige system. My first reaction was WTF arent those things dangerous to use so why is a class C mage applying for a class B ground combat promotion have such a device. But the answer for that is very easy if you read the manga. For those that haven't i am gonan put it ina spoiler tag.
Because both Teana and Subaru built their devices them selves prior to joining the TSAB
And because ofve that it makes sense in some way. One coudl also speculate about teh legalaty ofve such devices outside ofve TSAB but we have no imformation on that what so ever so speculation is all we have and will lead us nowere. What I wasnt able to determind is was subara using TSAB issue cartriges like Nanoha and Fate or were they ofve the home made varayaty. Teana'S cartrages were clearly different from the ones used in A's but Nanoha and Fate.

The 2nd possible reason for them to have the cartrige system is that after the ACEs so succesfully used them in combat they became standard issue to mages having reacha certain level. It woudl also be safe to asune that those systems have probabbly been greatly improved since then. Wich would also make "NEW CARTRIGES" a very likely occurence.


And I'll end my post on the Raging Heart vs Racing Heart topic. The website and external sources to the anime it self might refer to it as Racing Heart. But from season 1 all the way to Season to when ever Nanoha or and otehr character refers to it they always very clearly say Raging Heart. There for the problem for the difference lies somewere in between the voice acting and the people providing the external to anime imformation. And I'll leave it at that and conclude by saying I'll use the anime name before using the external source name.

[KJlost]

Subaru's device used to belong to her late mother.

Besides, cartridge system is a power boost. Assuming that devices out available outside of TSAB agents (which does seem to be the case as we've seen with Yuuno carrying RG and Fate's Bardische), it's not difficult to imaging that cartridge system could also be available as upgrade part of sorts.

[Skane]

~ And I'll end my post on the Raging Heart vs Racing Heart topic. The website and external sources to the anime it self might refer to it as Racing Heart. But from season 1 all the way to Season to when ever Nanoha or and otehr character refers to it they always very clearly say Raging Heart. There for the problem for the difference lies somewere in between the voice acting and the people providing the external to anime imformation. And I'll leave it at that and conclude by saying I'll use the anime name before using the external source name.
It's neither of those.

It's "Raising Heart". The producers already officially stated it waaaay back during the A's season.

Cheers.

[LoweGear]

What scene is that? Simple it's the scene that makes Nanoha look liek she is realy weaker then she is. Lets me explain. You Hava Nanoha that was a AAA mage right form season 1. Throught season 2 she is also weived at AAA. From the A's to StrikerS mange and in StrikerS it self it's likely a few S's have replaced those A's. So now why teh hell in the world would she need to consume 2 catriges to blast a hole thought a roof?????

I thougth ofve many different excuses but none would fit logicaly at all. 1 was that it was to conserve enegy since it might be a long rescue. But I rulled this out since compared to combat a rescue uses very litte power to someone like here. And i kept on going with different otehr possibilaties but they all broke donw on any bases for logic. In the end the only logical conclusion i coudl come up with was that it looked "COOL" for the weivers and if it looks COOL that it goes in.

You could consider another possibility that Loner provided: That Nanoha was in combat prior to the rescue. In StrikerS Chapter 1, Fate states that combat machines, which can emit AMF, appeared in the scene, presumably the same ones they fought in earlier chapters. So it's likely that Nanoha and the aces were in combat to drive off the drones before they can commence with the rescue effort. And, Nanoha has always used two cartridges to initiate Divine Buster Extension (finally remembered ^^;; ).

Although yeah, Divine Buster is a bit of overkill, but this is Nanoha we're talking about :heh:

and otehr things that only slightly bothered me but was OK after analasis was that Subaru's device also used a cartrige system. My first reaction was WTF arent those things dangerous to use so why is a class C mage applying for a class B ground combat promotion have such a device. But the answer for that is very easy if you read the manga. For those that haven't i am gonan put it ina spoiler tag.
Because both Teana and Subaru built their devices them selves prior to joining the TSAB
And because ofve that it makes sense in some way. One coudl also speculate about teh legalaty ofve such devices outside ofve TSAB but we have no imformation on that what so ever so speculation is all we have and will lead us nowere. What I wasnt able to determind is was subara using TSAB issue cartriges like Nanoha and Fate or were they ofve the home made varayaty. Teana'S cartrages were clearly different from the ones used in A's but Nanoha and Fate.

The 2nd possible reason for them to have the cartrige system is that after the ACEs so succesfully used them in combat they became standard issue to mages having reacha certain level. It woudl also be safe to asune that those systems have probabbly been greatly improved since then. Wich would also make "NEW CARTRIGES" a very likely occurence.

Correction, as already ninja'd by KJLost:

Subaru's Revolver Knuckle was previously owned by her mother

Considering the size of Subaru's ammo drum on her device, it seems that she has her own custom ammo for Revolver Knuckle, as she'd need to use smaller ammunition. On the other hand, Subaru's Grappling Shooter is large enough to be the at least similar to Nanoha and Fate's cartridges.

What actually bothers me more is who Subaru's mother is. For her mother to have her own custom device with cartridge system must make her extremely special, since it leads me to believe that she was one of the first Enforcers to use a cartridge system. We know that the TSAB had cartridge systems parts available for quite some time, but rarely used them on anything. Although WHEN Subaru's mother began using Revolver Knuckle has me stumped: For all we know, she could've been using it even before Nanoha and Fate O_o

I can imagine that it was not the success of Nanoha and Fate with the CS that prompted the TSAB to allow cartridge systems; it would be that they now have first-hand sources of experienced cartridge users at hand, aka the Wolkenritter, allowing them to significantly improve safety measures on the systems.

[z3phyr.mp3]

What actually bothers me more is who Subaru's mother is. For her mother to have her own custom device with cartridge system must make her extremely special, since it leads me to believe that she was one of the first Enforcers to use a cartridge system. We know that the TSAB had cartridge systems parts available for quite some time, but rarely used them on anything. Although WHEN Subaru's mother began using Revolver Knuckle has me stumped: For all we know, she could've been using it even before Nanoha and Fate O_o

i think that cartridge systems were in use even before the success of nanoha and fates devices... the only reason they didn't want to put cartridge systems in nanoha and fate's devices was because iirc they were intelligent devices and they intelligent devices really delicate... that's why i can see no problem with subaru having the device she has now... it's not even an intelligent device thus it might had been less risky to put a cartridge system on it...

[Vexx]

I find this show to be quite trite. It's a personal opinion, but I don't really obtain any fun from cheesy stuff (for the most part, that is). I will look further into this series as it progresses, however. Maybe it's just the low-quality raws I've seen . . .

It seems to have evolved this way ---
First season: "coming-of-age initiation (nanoha)", "character-study (fate)"
Second season: "no one is really evil but it is more the goals and methods collide" sort of drama
Third season: primarily action-oriented / focus on the tech (pseudo-mecha)

Yes, those are sweeping generalizations... but thats been the trend from my perspective. The third season description is tentative. We'll just have to see where they put the emphasis.
However, the first episode doesn't seem to imply we're going to get a really deep look at the new characters (action does not equal any subtle character definition or evolution).

[LoweGear]

Basing the overall impression of any series on the first episode alone is very premature (if we did, we wouldn't be watching Nanoha in the first place :heh:). They do have 26 episodes to balance out the action and character parts, twice the time they've had in the first two seasons.

[EadTaes]

You could consider another possibility that Loner provided: That Nanoha was in combat prior to the rescue. In StrikerS Chapter 1, Fate states that combat machines, which can emit AMF, appeared in the scene, presumably the same ones they fought in earlier chapters. So it's likely that Nanoha and the aces were in combat to drive off the drones before they can commence with the rescue effort. And, Nanoha has always used two cartridges to initiate Divine Buster Extension (finally remembered ^^;; ).

Although yeah, Divine Buster is a bit of overkill, but this is Nanoha we're talking about :heh:

Yeah but form the manga I dont remmebr that is was mentioned that those machines showed up at that time. And that incident happen of a different day then the excavation side combats. I'll re read that part ofve the manga to double check thou. And yeah you are rigth and we are tlakign about Nanoha and she does have a tendency to overdo things.



What actually bothers me more is who Subaru's mother is. For her mother to have her own custom device with cartridge system must make her extremely special, since it leads me to believe that she was one of the first Enforcers to use a cartridge system. We know that the TSAB had cartridge systems parts available for quite some time, but rarely used them on anything. Although WHEN Subaru's mother began using Revolver Knuckle has me stumped: For all we know, she could've been using it even before Nanoha and Fate O_o

I can imagine that it was not the success of Nanoha and Fate with the CS that prompted the TSAB to allow cartridge systems; it would be that they now have first-hand sources of experienced cartridge users at hand, aka the Wolkenritter, allowing them to significantly improve safety measures on the systems.

Yeah that is a good question I coudl only read up to chapter 4 sicne i can't read kanji. So I was not aware it was from her monther. And now that i know it does beg the question. I can only hope we will be inlightenas to that sometime in the future.


And once again over the Racing vs Raging issue if the producers clearyl said it was Racing and not Raging why does it continue to be called Raging in teh anime. Because no matter how you listen to it you clearly hear raging and not racing. Either all ofve their voice actors can't say racing properly or its an otehr problem in teh sort of the one i speculated. In the end this is a deadlock battle. Since both sources are "legit".

[LoweGear]

Yeah but form the manga I dont remmebr that is was mentioned that those machines showed up at that time. And that incident happen of a different day then the excavation side combats. I'll re read that part ofve the manga to double check thou. And yeah you are rigth and we are tlakign about Nanoha and she does have a tendency to overdo things.


From the scanlations:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/USSKenji64296/NanohaStrikerS-StartingStarsPhase01.png

[Vexx]

Basing the overall impression of any series on the first episode alone is very premature (if we did, we wouldn't be watching Nanoha in the first place :heh:). They do have 26 episodes to balance out the action and character parts, twice the time they've had in the first two seasons.

Exactly... that's why I labeled it tentative. As you point out, they have twice the airtime and double the potential to screw up the story :)

I thoroughly enjoyed the first two seasons - as different as they were. If this season does indeed focus on action, then I hope the special effects budget reflects that emphasis shift. If they're going to give the characters room to grow, change, and such ... I'm less annoyed if the special effects are a bit dimmer :)

I've been fascinated by the number of pages being devoted to the equipment and tech-magic here. Makes me really wish there were a first person shooter version of Nanoha :)

[EadTaes]

I've been fascinated by the number of pages being devoted to the equipment and tech-magic here. Makes me really wish there were a first person shooter version of Nanoha :)

Probably the reason this tread is so tech oriented right now is because its the only things we can realy discus and analise at this time. Everythign else at this moment is pure speculation since we have no info or to little info. But yeah a first person shorter of Nanoha would indded probably rock. But one would have to work out the balance issues otherwise it will probably only Nanoha Vs Fate even if the otehr characters are created.

[LoweGear]

While I wouldn't want to be pessimistic, yep, 50/50 chance of screwing up big time later.

And Nanoha has always matched action for character development, although now they seem to be on the right track on balancing both. Besides, having lotsa action in the first ep was for me a good thing, since it gives the series a much needed bang XD

And technomagic has always been one of Nanoha's biggest draws, especially among mecha fans, since Nanoha's magic doesn't rely on the power of good, light, love or other stuff to work ^^;; And as EadTaes pointed out, it's one of the few aspects of the show that we can analyze at the moment with certainty ^^

And Nanoha FPS? Yes to that idea!

*Swaps his BFG 9000 for Raising Heart* :D

[Loner]

*Swaps his BFG 9000 for Raising Heart* :D

Oh, why stop there? The Volkenritter upped the ante by adding the cartidge system to their devices, so for this let's improve the technology again! By adding experimental Polarized Lyrical Overthruster Technology to a magical staff, we can create the ultimate device, capable of creating localized dimensional distortions with enough control to alter reality itself! In other words...

Yes, it's a P.L.O.T. device. :innocent:

[LoweGear]

Oh, why stop there? The Volkenritter upped the ante by adding the cartidge system to their devices, so for this let's improve the technology again! By adding experimental Polarized Lyrical Overthruster Technology to a magical staff, we can create the ultimate device, capable of creating localized dimensional distortions with enough control to alter reality itself! In other words...

Yes, it's a P.L.O.T. device. :innocent:

New E-Mail just came in for you:

Congratulations! You have been promoted to Head R&D Coordinator of UAC Mar's Delta Labs! As your first assignment, you'll be assigned to use our latest Intelligent Device against thousands of Demon Hordes from Hell! Work Hard, Work Safe! Your Future Depends on it :D

*cookies for references*

[cyanne]

New E-Mail just came in for you:

Congratulations! You have been promoted to Head R&D Coordinator of UAC Mar's Delta Labs! As your first assignment, you'll be assigned to use our latest Intelligent Device against thousands of Demon Hordes from Hell! Work Hard, Work Safe! Your Future Depends on it :D

*cookies for references*

The TSAB is not run by a giant computer! At least... I don't think so? Do you even have the proper clearance for this e-mail?

[Kikaifan]

Sounds like a weird cross between Paranoia and Doom.

[The-Ghost]

any one else notice that Rein is in the preview as well, face down on the pillows above nanoha. looks like both Fate and Rein sleep the same way

[Vexx]

Raising Heart cartridge style against hordes of Doom "friends" .... um... might be close quarter issues but it'd get really bright for a second.

[Guardian Enzo]

I think there's a little chicken-and-egg thing going on re: Yunno's character. I would not argue, as some have, that the writers can't find anything for him to do because his character sucks. I think it's just the reverse - they don't know how to write for him, so he looks bad. In fact, in an anime where so many of the characters are very similar, Yunno is interesting in that he's the complete opposite of Nanoha in almost every way. Used properly, he'd be an integral part of the dramatic side if not the action side (though again, as his abilities are so complimentary to Nanoha's in that he excels where she's weak and vice-versa, he could have a major role there too).

[Demon Eyes]

Okay,

If I await a better quality 9Which will come soon) I will die, so I watched the yesh version0.1

Thoughts:

OMG.OMG!!!! Awesome!! God damn awesome! The Action...The action~ SO good to see my girls back...*Sniffs*

Nanoha, Oh how I missed thee.

Fate-chan...Fate-chan...*Waahh!*

Ahem....

Most of my thoughts on this have been already revealed so I don't have much to say except;

I loved Miyamoto Becky and I adored Tokiha Mai so you know how I feel about the new girls.

About Subaru's Devine Buster though...Can't you think if another name Subaru-chan please? Calling an attack of that caliber the same name as Nanoha's D.B is a little...Anything will do. Even a Devine Buster II or Subaru version will do.

Watching this episode, I kind of hoped that Fate and Nanoha weren't prodigies so that I can see them take training and getting even more bonded but alas. That boat already sailed.

I think I am going to be feeling a lot of 'Why didn't Nanoha and Fate do this' while watching Striker S.

Also that mysterising(Is it a word) of Nanoha's debut was excellent too. It made me miss her even more. Her old tradition o singing in the OP/ED is much more appreciated to.

Liked how the three; Fate, Nanoha and Hayate moved as one to save Subaru and Tea...

Kind of sad that Fate was very shadowed in the ED though. *Sigh*, A's OP/ED were the bomb.

I also don't see a problem with Nanoha using D.B at the airport. Using an attack is is known to succeed 100% in dangerous situations is A Okay, I say. A person's life was at stake, the coast was clear...Not to mention that by now, D.B is probably the weakest attack Nanoha has. I bet the most powerful attack she has now can reach the end of the Milky...

I love this episode.

The only reasons I didn't give it a 11/10 was that there was no Bravo on the poll and because of the quality. So, I gave it a 10/10.

Once again...I love you Nanoha, Fate, I hoe to see more of you in the future and hopefully,in HD.

And I am impressed that Raging Heart upgraded to Oxford English.

Now to go and see the best quality there of of 01 in raw.

[Village Idiot]

Its going to take at least 4 days after the first station airing Nanoha for it to air on a channel that offers digital for a good raw capture :(

[Chaos2Frozen]

About Subaru's Devine Buster though...Can't you think if another name Subaru-chan please? Calling an attack of that caliber the same name as Nanoha's D.B is a little...Anything will do. Even a Devine Buster II or Subaru version will do.



"Devine Buster II" would sound like it means that it's somehow better :heh:...

Perhaps "Devine Buster 0.5" ? Or maybe it's the 'beta' version :D


@Guardian Enzo
For awhile Yuuno was exactly what you said... Except now that they super-buffed Nanoha, Yuuno (And Arf's) role were render pointless...

[Meophist]

Personally thought that Nanoha could make a good Fighting game. Not sure if it'll make a good FPS though, close-combat attacks rarely translate well into the genre.

[Demon Eyes]

Its going to take at least 4 days after the first station airing Nanoha for it to air on a channel that offers digital for a good raw capture :(

I shall wait, while re-watching A's.

[Sorrow-K]

It seems to have evolved this way ---
First season: "coming-of-age initiation (nanoha)", "character-study (fate)"
Second season: "no one is really evil but it is more the goals and methods collide" sort of drama
Third season: primarily action-oriented / focus on the tech (pseudo-mecha)

Yes, those are sweeping generalizations... but thats been the trend from my perspective. The third season description is tentative. We'll just have to see where they put the emphasis.
However, the first episode doesn't seem to imply we're going to get a really deep look at the new characters (action does not equal any subtle character definition or evolution).I personally think there's a (big) chance you could be right, but, as you say, it's way too early to make anything more than tentative calls. So, for now, I think it's just a case of sit and watch. And, if it turns out you're right, you can say you were the first to call it. But, it's probably the new, generic characters that are the biggest indication that you could be right.

Hopefully, even if it does go down that path, it'll at least make for some entertaining popcorn theatre, ala Mai-Otome.

[Woden]

I'd have to say that given the history of Nanoha, there's actually a fairly good chance that it won't end up like Mai Otome. All of the Nanoha characters have seemed fairly generic at first.

[Outlaender]

Has anyone else noticed that the mysterious pink haired girl in the op animation apparently has a new type of magic seal? I've watched the sequence over and over, and I've become convinced that her seal looks like a _4_ sided version of the Velka seal. At first I thought it _was_ Velka, but I really think it's something new.

[guest]

I thought the author had stated somewhere that this season is going to be emphasized on action? Well, as everyone has noticed, that is the trend of nanoha series. (drama --> action).
I just hope that nanoha is not going to turn into magical girl DBZ version IF there is ever going to be a fourth season.

[LoweGear]

Has anyone else noticed that the mysterious pink haired girl in the op animation apparently has a new type of magic seal? I've watched the sequence over and over, and I've become convinced that her seal looks like a _4_ sided version of the Velka seal. At first I thought it _was_ Velka, but I really think it's something new.

Saw that too, and it's quite interesting that we'll be getting a third magic type for StrikerS. Unfortunately, until Lutecia (that girl) actually appears, we'll have nothing concrete on how that magic style is different from the two previous styles we have.

[Skane]

~ And once again over the Racing vs Raging issue if the producers clearyl said it was Racing and not Raging why does it continue to be called Raging in teh anime. Because no matter how you listen to it you clearly hear raging and not racing. Either all ofve their voice actors can't say racing properly or its an otehr problem in teh sort of the one i speculated. In the end this is a deadlock battle. Since both sources are "legit".
You are confounding me here.

What Racing?

The "debate" is between Raising and Raging, except there shouldn't be any debate now since the producers have come out of the woodwork to dispel the confusion.

This is starting to reek of the "The Author Can't Be Right" syndrome. Feel free to disagree with the author, but when it comes to names, what the author decides is set in stone. There shouldn't be any debate.

The fansubber was the one who guessed what the name was in translation. Are you going to take the fansubber's version, or the creator's version?

It just seems absurd to even think about it.

Cheers.

[Darco_emp]

Saw that too, and it's quite interesting that we'll be getting a third magic type for StrikerS. Unfortunately, until Lutecia (that girl) actually appears, we'll have nothing concrete on how that magic style is different from the two previous styles we have.

Well since this series does hint at the usage of very powerful lost logias I guess it is possible to go back even further in history, before the destuction of AlHazard. It will be nice of that girl is an user of the magic system and bring us to the history of Alhazard too, since there only 2 min lecture on the topic ...

but i'm just shooting moonbeans so ignore this .

[EadTaes]

I think i might have noticed a change. Dunno if it means anything or its just and art charge/issue.

The change is about Nanoha's magic circle. More precisely about the writting in it. In the airport wich is were we only see her circle so far in strikers the writting is much denser or appaers to be denser that in Seasons 1 & 2. Later on we can get a glimps of teana's circle and eth writing appers like normal. How ever teh circler at the point of her graple anchoring appers to be dense.

I dunno if it is me and wanted to ask for what you thought about and to see if you would also like to examine it.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Well since this series does hint at the usage of very powerful lost logias I guess it is possible to go back even further in history, before the destuction of AlHazard. It will be nice of that girl is an user of the magic system and bring us to the history of Alhazard too, since there only 2 min lecture on the topic ...

but i'm just shooting moonbeans so ignore this .


Lets not forget the possiblity that the girl might even be the 'very powerful' lost logia for this season...


The change is about Nanoha's magic circle. More precisely about the writting in it. In the airport wich is were we only see her circle so far in strikers the writting is much denser or appaers to be denser that in Seasons 1 & 2. Later on we can get a glimps of teana's circle and eth writing appers like normal. How ever teh circler at the point of her graple anchoring appers to be dense.


2 possiblities.

1 - Either you're right, and that the stronger the mage, the more detailed their circle is...

2 - Or they just crank up the animation for this season :heh:

[Kikaifan]

Guess we could look at YnS and Lindy's circles from the previous seasons, but I suspect it's either 2 or 1 + 2, either of which obviates the validity of past-season comparisons.