Nanoha StrikerS - Generic Discussion

[obaka-san]

yareyare, they should have gimme back my loli Nanoha/Fate/Hayate~chan already. Magical girls can be called magical girls when they are at MOST 15! -or 13 @_@.
If you want Magical WOMEN, go for Okusama wa mahou shoujo o.o

[Furyou Miko]

Grown women call each other 'girl' not infrequently, at least in the circles I move in... I don't know about you, but 'girl' is pretty universal as a word for 'female'. I know that when I write, I only normally use 'woman' when I want to make an overtly sexual description or a definite asseration to seniority. (Well, unless it's a characters' mode of speech to call girls "woman"!)

[Chaos2Frozen]

@obaka-san

Too late for that (among other things...), but they seem to be doing a pretty good job... :)

[Nightfly]

sorry missed out few weeks

when is the show starting??

[Chaos2Frozen]

sorry missed out few weeks

when is the show starting??

6 days... ago.

[DJ_RockmanX]

sorry missed out few weeks

when is the show starting??

Show started a few days ago. Yesy came out with a LQ sub for the first raw that came out, then replaced it with a "MQ" sub (which is just regular quality, so MQ makes little sense to me). Nanoha-Dgz also came out with a sub, but I haven't seen that one. And Triad is taking their sweet time with their release.

Did I leave anything out?

[Nightfly]

ah thx.. i will watch it as soon as i finished erementar gerad

wouldn't wanna mis the next series nanoha hehe

[Nightengale]

Just nitpicking, but doesn't Chrono say it 'destroys everything within hundreds of kilometers'? The primary effect radius on a one-megaton nuke is only four kilometers IIRC. Even with the neatness of magical explosions in Nanoha it's a lot more than a city-killer.

Large cities aren't just hundreds of kilometers in area radius.

No one doubts Arc's, or even any top mage's ability to cause heavy collateral damage...It's just not as great as everyone seems to think.

[Bloodseeker]

Large cities aren't just hundreds of kilometers in area radius.

No one doubts Arc's, or even any top mage's ability to cause heavy collateral damage...It's just not as great as everyone seems to think.

B-rank magicians can rupture entire dimensions if they want... if that's not heavy collateral damage, then I don't know what is.

[Skane]

B-rank magicians can rupture entire dimensions if they want... if that's not heavy collateral damage, then I don't know what is.
From what reference is that?

:confused:

[LoweGear]

B-rank magicians can rupture entire dimensions if they want... if that's not heavy collateral damage, then I don't know what is.

I know we've seen Lost Logia that can rupture dimensions, but that statement is somewhat of a stretch, given that we've never even seen anything lower than AAA rank taken seriously before.

[Bloodseeker]

From what reference is that?

:confused:
I know we've seen Lost Logia that can rupture dimensions, but that statement is somewhat of a stretch, given that we've never even seen anything lower than AAA rank taken seriously before.

Fate and Nanoha were B-rank during season 1, right? Wasn't it their fight that was causing the dimension to collapse and forced Chrono to interfere?

[LoweGear]

Fate and Nanoha were B-rank during season 1, right? Wasn't it their fight that was causing the dimension to collapse and forced Chrono to interfere?

They were already referenced as AAA class mages during the first season.

[Skane]

Fate and Nanoha were B-rank during season 1, right? Wasn't it their fight that was causing the dimension to collapse and forced Chrono to interfere?
They were ranked AAA at that time. Amy stated it in Ep08 of the first season. Timing is 14:22 onwards.

Cheers.

[Nightengale]

They were already referenced as AAA class mages during the first season.

Being capable of flight combat alone pretty much tags A on a person's mage rank.

And if we want to be technical, the raw released magical power (( which was what caused the dimensional thing, IIRC )) of both Fate and Nanoha were both above Chrono then, who was AAA+.

So, it's like AAA+, maybe even bordering S- x 2.

And I believe there's a clear distinction between magical damage and physical damage in Nanoha-verse.

[kari-no-sugata]

Being capable of flight combat alone pretty much tags A on a person's mage rank.

And if we want to be technical, the raw released magical power (( which was what caused the dimensional thing, IIRC )) of both Fate and Nanoha were both above Chrono then, who was AAA+.

So, it's like AAA+, maybe even bordering S- x 2.

Power levels yes. But there's a difference between raw power and how well that can be applied to the situation. As Chrono has shown Fate very clearly in the comics. The ranking exams we've seen so far test applied skills, not raw power.

For the higher rankings, I wonder if there are even exams, or what. They're probably optional at least. I suspect Hayate has been pushing to advance her ranking (both as a mage and within the organisation) as fast as possible, while I doubt Nanoha is interested in such things, and probably mostly gets field promotions. Probably why she has her "ace of aces" tag.

[Nightengale]

Power levels yes. But there's a difference between raw power and how well that can be applied to the situation. As Chrono has shown Fate very clearly in the comics. The ranking exams we've seen so far test applied skills, not raw power.

Either I'm missing something or you seem to be misunderstanding something. I wasn't refering to overall capabilities and experience reflected by the mage ranks, which is not DBZ's OVER 9000!!!, but rather the release of the raw power of Fate and Nanoha that caused the dimensional effects in season 1. Because our previous discussions was on the potential collateral damage by mages, which even by Arc-En-Ciel's standard, isn't strong enough to wipe out an entire large city by arguments of physical damage. And the arguments of magical damage was on Nanoha and Fate doing the things that caused TSAB to notice in Season 1. If we assume that Fate or Nanoha maximum's power is the minimum least to cause dimensional time-space damage, that means no matter how much skilled Chrono is over both of them, he can't do the same since it's stated even though he's above Fate and Nanoha, his raw power is weaker. Not that it mattered in a fight, but the release of power strong enough to cause dimensional damage and the show of capabilities in combat is 2 different matter, which was what I was refering to instead. I know that the mage rankings don't purely reflect power levels.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

well a new episode this week
i wonder if they will introduce Carol and Elio in this weeks episode...hhmmm
and forgive me for being kinda slow
but i didn't know that Nanoha and Fate both named their teams...
lets see
Nanoha's team name is "team stars" and Fate's team name is "team lightning"
and i also noticed that Teana and Subaru are both wearing barrier jackets similar to Nanoha's (in terms of color of stripes on jacket) and same goes for Fate's team.....but i think since Subaru admires Nanoha alot she has the jacket that closely resembles Nanoha's jacket!:)
i wonder if Yuuno and Chrono will also make an appearance in this weeks episode too
and also including Lindy of course
hahahaha

and judging from episode one, Subaru's version of Divine Buster seems to be a mid range attack...seeing as how the beam went through the building but ending short....unless she still is mastering on how to improve the attack...she could rival Nanoha in the end...heh:heh:

and oh yea and can't forget about the Valkia knights
maybe they'll also appear in this weeks episode??hhmmm

[Woden]

I don't think we'll see a lot of Chrono until the second half of the series. As for Yuuno... probably whenever they need to get information on some obscure Lost Logia.

[Chaos2Frozen]

@kari-no-sugata
I was under the impression that the mage rank was a combination of both raw power and skill, seeing as how (in the 1st season) Amy could roughly estimate their ranks base on their magical potential...

@Nightengale
I thought the dimensional disturbance was mostly caused by the Jewel Seed that they 'crash' into?


I don't think we'll see a lot of Chrono until the second half of the series. As for Yuuno... probably whenever they need to get information on some obscure Lost Logia.

Agreed (with you). My guess is that this first half would be used to develop the 4 rookies using that unknown girl from the OP ... And varies minor side characters as well.

[Aaron008R]

I don't think we'll see a lot of Chrono until the second half of the series. As for Yuuno... probably whenever they need to get information on some obscure Lost Logia.

I agree. But there is always the possibility of cameo appearances for the both of them, a commanding officer issuing orders shot from Chrono or a 'N&Y Matchmaking' episode for Yuuno.

I'm crossing my fingers that a set-them-up episode gets included.:D

[Nightengale]

@Nightengale
I thought the dimensional disturbance was mostly caused by the Jewel Seed that they 'crash' into?

Agreed (with you). My guess is that this first half would be used to develop the 4 rookies using that unknown girl from the OP ... And varies minor side characters as well.

Meh, I'm too old to remember details. Regardless, that does nothing but support the "they are not strong enough to cause collateral damage on a planetary scale" argument contrary to popular belief. I mean, Arc at best can probably liquify 1/3rd of New York City.

Here's to hoping TSAB gets wiped out by episode 16. With some internal betrayal. (( Not Acous plz...maybe Carim instead. )) Not only does it adds "epic" and "drama" and "AthrunKira" into the brew, hen that happens, you know they need all the help they can get, and Yuuno's not some lousy D-rank mage either. Nor is Arf...

[Aaron008R]

Here's to hoping TSAB gets wiped out by episode 16. With some internal betrayal. (( Not Acous plz...maybe Carim instead. )) Not only does it adds "epic" and "drama" and "AthrunKira" into the brew, hen that happens, you know they need all the help they can get, and Yuuno's not some lousy D-rank mage either. Nor is Arf...

That would be interesting. But I'm not too sure if that kind of dark progression of events where everything falls apart would suit the Nanoha series too well. If that does happen, here's to hoping that Graham-jiisan would pull off something amazing. That old guy used to be a very powerful admiral who has two familiars who should be about AAA+ to S rank. Settling down without showing his stuff to the youngsters is a bit disappointing. That is, if his still alive. But I'm pretty sure he's still up and about.

[Eclipze]

Hmm, regarding the damage part...
In A's, during the episode where the Tome of Darkness first came out, she used Starlight Breaker against Nanoha/Fate.

I was wondering why the buildings didn't seem to have been damaged? I mean, the explosion was pretty huge (Almost covered the entire barrier I think?) yet no damage was done to the surrounding buildings. Does the magical prision prevent damage to the physical world? Or maybe it creates some kind of temporary dimensional space where damage doesn't affect the "actual" world? Or is it simply that magic doesn't affect physical surroundings?

In that case, I don't see why Arc-en-ciel couldn't be fired at the original location of the seperated Tome of the Night Sky - and if it is indeed the magical prision/barrier that prevents physical damage, then why couldn't Nanoha and gang just create one huge barrier to prevent the city from getting damaged?

Or is Arc-en-ciel a special type of spell/attack?

And yes, I jumped onto the Nanoha bandwagon.:heh:

[Chaos2Frozen]

Well, to cause that big of a destruction, you're going to need someone with reasonable authority and military strength.

My money's still on old man Genya. Despite being outranked by a 19 years old girl (Hehe, I'll never let that go...!), the rank Major is still impressive (I guess), AND he has a whole Battalion at his command to stage a coup.

AND since his wife is dead (For whatever reason...), that's more than enough emo reasons to go nuts...

EDIT:
@Eclipze
Apparently, 'magic' damage and 'physical' damage are two different things :heh: ! Magic affects magic, physical affects physical... Of course, some spells are a mix of both magic and physical damage.... Just not Starlight Breaker :)

Also, Arc-en-ciel Vaporizes everything in the area... So yeah, it's more of a spell/effect...

P.S - Oh yeah, welcome to the fold.

[Aaron008R]

Hmm, regarding the damage part...
In A's, during the episode where the Tome of Darkness first came out, she used Starlight Breaker against Nanoha/Fate.

I was wondering why the buildings didn't seem to have been damaged? I mean, the explosion was pretty huge (Almost covered the entire barrier I think?) yet no damage was done to the surrounding buildings. Does the magical prision prevent damage to the physical world? Or maybe it creates some kind of temporary dimensional space where damage doesn't affect the "actual" world? Or is it simply that magic doesn't affect physical surroundings?

In that case, I don't see why Arc-en-ciel couldn't be fired at the original location of the seperated Tome of the Night Sky - and if it is indeed the magical prision/barrier that prevents physical damage, then why couldn't Nanoha and gang just create one huge barrier to prevent the city from getting damaged?

Or is Arc-en-ciel a special type of spell/attack?

And yes, I jumped onto the Nanoha bandwagon.:heh:

Starlight Breaker does magical damage which only damages those with magical properties, I think it does damage to a person's linker core if hit. Remember Fate and Nanoha's final clash? Fate was still reasonably whole after being bombarded with Starlight Breaker. Still, that doesn't make Starlight Breaker non-lethal. Arc-en-Ciel should be able to do physical damage as well. (It DID vaporize the ship of Chrono's father.) AND, welcome to the club!:D

[ADD] Ugh, beaten to the punch. Guess I'm too slow in typing. Well, that's my take anyway.

[BatAttack]

B-rank magicians can rupture entire dimensions if they want...

LOL, Bloodseeker has been getting drunk and posting of forums. :heh:



Regarding collateral damage:

EVEN IF Starlight Breaker was capable of physical damage, from the size of the blast when Nanoha uses it, it looks like it could destroy a large cluster of buildings.. perhaps a city block.

When YnS uses Starlight Breaker, the blast is much bigger, and would be able to destroy a great many city blocks. Still well short of an entire city.

Divine Buster is certainly capable of physical damage.. with a sustained beam, Nanoha could cut down a large sky-scraper..
Destroying an entire city by cutting down its buildings one by one would be a lot of hard work.
*phew* I'm tired from just thinking about it...

[Chaos2Frozen]

Perhaps thats why the 'Starlight Breaker(s)' could have that large of a blast radius.

Assuming that all offensive spells are a mix of Magic and Physical damage only:

Starlight Breaker
Magic: 100%
Physical: 0%

With that, Nanoha could just focus on making it look intimidating :), in a sense it's all just 'hot air' and nothing really solid.

Her other spells perhaps have more variety in their 'mixture'.

[Aaron008R]

Starlight Breaker
Magic: 100%
Physical: 0%

With that, Nanoha could just focus on making it look intimidating :), in a sense it's all just 'hot air' and nothing really solid.

Her other spells perhaps have more variety in their 'mixture'.

Which makes Starlight Breaker an optimal offensive move against enemy mages and extremely powerful magic barriers. Being able to subdue a very powerful enemy without external injury (ie. Fate 10 years ago) suits Nanoha's style well, ne? Or does it?:uhoh:

[Zehros]

Acording to the anime the Arc-en-ciel does not destroy, rather it consumes everything in its radius. Quoting Yuuno from Episode 12.

"Taking its initial firing point as the center its a magical canon that distorts the space surrounding it and consumes everything up to hundreds of kilometers away"-acording to the subbed epidode 12

That's why they didn't want it to be fired at the earth.

On a side note: Hello!! I'm new here though I've been lurking for a while. I finally decided to post something. Hope we get along great.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Acording to the anime the Arc-en-ciel does not destroy, rather it consumes everything in its radius. Quoting Yuuno from Episode 12.

"Taking its initial firing point as the center its a magical canon that distorts the space surrounding it and consumes everything up to hundreds of kilometers away"-acording to the subbed epidode 12

That's why they didn't want it to be fired at the earth.

On a side note: Hello!! I'm new here though I've been lurking for a while. I finally decided to post something. Hope we get along great.


Welcome to the fold.

Also, most of us said 'vaporized', which is more or less the same as 'consumed' if you look at its effect.

Either way, 'destroy' is just a general term to describe it, we all pretty much got the hint that it's a big bang (not literally, of course) :heh:

[Kikaifan]

Large cities aren't just hundreds of kilometers in area radius.

No one doubts Arc's, or even any top mage's ability to cause heavy collateral damage...It's just not as great as everyone seems to think.

NYC would be ~16 km in radius if its area were evened into a circle. Using the full New York Metropolitan Area the area is equal to a 75 km radius circle. Even the whole of New York state only has the area of a 200km radius circle.

Depending on how many secondary/physical effects the weapon has it could easily destroy a much larger area. Of course, it could easily have none being magical...

[Aaron008R]

Acording to the anime the Arc-en-ciel does not destroy, rather it consumes everything in its radius. Quoting Yuuno from Episode 12.

"Taking its initial firing point as the center its a magical canon that distorts the space surrounding it and consumes everything up to hundreds of kilometers away"-acording to the subbed epidode 12

That's why they didn't want it to be fired at the earth.

On a side note: Hello!! I'm new here though I've been lurking for a while. I finally decided to post something. Hope we get along great.

Welcome.:) So the Arc-en-Ciel is a giant magical Black Hole Cannon? More SRW references! Hope the big guns like Arc doesn't get shafted as well. It would be good to see any more action from these magical nukes. I'm not sure if it would be a good idea, but they could insert an extremely large mech with an AMF that requires nuking just to neutralize. But maybe that's too Gundam-ish for the Nanohaverse.:heh:

[Kikaifan]

I always associated the thing with Washu's dimensional cannon.

Personally I don't think saying consume is any different from saying destroy in that context.

[dkellis]

Starlight Breaker does magical damage which only damages those with magical properties, I think it does damage to a person's linker core if hit. Remember Fate and Nanoha's final clash? Fate was still reasonably whole after being bombarded with Starlight Breaker.

That actually does explain why Fate wasn't completely vaporized by the Starlight Breaker, but then I'm not sure why there was that huge plume of water when the Starlight Breaker impacted the sea. If magical energy doesn't affect physical objects, then there should have been no spray.

[Ottocycle]

Oh no I feel the coming of an anime theory of relativity...

[Chaos2Frozen]

Maybe... Fate fell really really fast? :heh:

...And got back up in time to fall again?

...
...
...

...Nvm.

[Skane]

That actually does explain why Fate wasn't completely vaporized by the Starlight Breaker, but then I'm not sure why there was that huge plume of water when the Starlight Breaker impacted the sea. If magical energy doesn't affect physical objects, then there should have been no spray.
Dramatic License.

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[LoweGear]

That actually does explain why Fate wasn't completely vaporized by the Starlight Breaker, but then I'm not sure why there was that huge plume of water when the Starlight Breaker impacted the sea. If magical energy doesn't affect physical objects, then there should have been no spray.

My own pet theory on the matter: Fate at the last minute put all her power into her barrier jacket, just enough to prevent her getting obliterated by SB. Either that, or Nanoha's SB at the time was so unfocused that despite it's overwhelming power, in reality Fate was only recieving a fraction of its power, but because she couldn't block out that power she still ended up beat.

Or, it could be that Starlight Breaker works like Cyflash, and is selective on which targets it destroys ^^;;;

[Julius Firefocht]

That actually does explain why Fate wasn't completely vaporized by the Starlight Breaker, but then I'm not sure why there was that huge plume of water when the Starlight Breaker impacted the sea. If magical energy doesn't affect physical objects, then there should have been no spray.

The Nanoha novel does state that magical attacks have 2 settings. The first setting damages only targets with magical energy in them, causing them pain but leaving them physically unharmed. For example, Nanoha was not too thrilled to be on the receiving end of a full powered Photon Lancer from Fate, even though Fate expressedly stated that the attack would not cause physical harm. Nanoha knew that there would be a great deal of pain involved even if her body would not be physically harmed.

The 2nd setting deals physical damage, plain and simple. The most recent example of that would be Nanoha using Divine Buster to blow away the statue and the roof in the 1st episode of StrikerS. No decent minded mage would use this setting aggressively, unless he/she really wants the target dead. Starlight Breaker on this setting would probably be powerful enough to leave city-sized craters in the ground.

So why was there this huge plume of water when Starlight Breaker impacted the sea when Nanoha was obviously using the 1st setting? My guess would be that the water somehow reacted to the magical energies. Or perhaps there was residue heat or kinetic energy within the attack that needed to be expended somewhere, and so Nanoha chose to blast it on the water so as to spare Fate. You guess is as good as mine.

[kari-no-sugata]

The Nanoha novel does state that magical attacks have 2 settings. The first setting damages only targets with magical energy in them, causing them pain but leaving them physically unharmed. For example, Nanoha was not too thrilled to be on the receiving end of a full powered Photon Lancer from Fate, even though Fate expressedly stated that the attack would not cause physical harm. Nanoha knew that there would be a great deal of pain involved even if her body would not be physically harmed.

The 2nd setting deals physical damage, plain and simple. The most recent example of that would be Nanoha using Divine Buster to blow away the statue and the roof in the 1st episode of StrikerS. No decent minded mage would use this setting aggressively, unless he/she really wants the target dead. Starlight Breaker on this setting would probably be powerful enough to leave city-sized craters in the ground.

So why was there this huge plume of water when Starlight Breaker impacted the sea when Nanoha was obviously using the 1st setting? My guess would be that the water somehow reacted to the magical energies. Or perhaps there was residue heat or kinetic energy within the attack that needed to be expended somewhere, and so Nanoha chose to blast it on the water so as to spare Fate. You guess is as good as mine.

Maybe it's not possible to have 100% on "magic damage". Let's say even if you try really hard, you still get 0.1% physical damage - if Starlight Breaker does 1,000,000 points damage say, then that's still 1,000 points of physical damage.

[Kikaifan]

So we've now got 'magic->magic->magic' ('no-damage'), 'magic->magic->physical' (damaging the physical world directly with magical energy, 'real damage'), 'magic->physical->physical' (damaging the physical world indirectly with physical effects created by magic, 'indirect damage') and 'physical->physical->physical' ('hitting things').

Another hypothesis on the SB secondary effects issue: maybe 'real damage' breaks through barriers better (it sure seems like weapons can smash barriers better than anything short of a collection spell) so mages always have an incentive to be dealing at least some real damage in a serious fight. Nanoha did claim she was going all out- maybe she really did use full power and Fate's armor was just strong enough to keep her alive?

I'm with the above on the point that their attacks have to be a least a tiny bit physical though. If you can see it, it emits light (or excites particles it passes through to the point where they emit visible light), and therefore has physical effects. Obviously even the 'magic->magic->magic' damage setting interacts with the physical universe somehow, or it'd be invisible.

Unless one just goes with the 'filmed in mage-o-vision' excuse.

[Darco_emp]

I'm with the above on the point that their attacks have to be a least a tiny bit physical though. If you can see it, it emits light (or excites particles it passes through to the point where they emit visible light), and therefore has physical effects. Obviously even the 'magic->magic->magic' damage setting interacts with the physical universe somehow, or it'd be invisible.


Hmm, this reminded me of something, remember YnS's chant on Starlight Breaker the word light does appear alot durning the spell. If Starlight Breaker is a Magic/Light based spell or as the above said somehow effected light particles or even magic may behave like light, Then with the dual nature of light, there are at least some physical damgage due Photons that are particals

[Outlaender]

It's funny how YnS's SB causes quite a bit of blast effect, without the shockwave, and without blasting the district to rubble. There's unfortunately always going to be a lot of plot drive in these kinds of stories, or else the author's would have too many consequences of these battle's to account for in the story. Like, although at the ending of S1, when Testarossa'S Fortress of Solitude was collapsing (and the seeds were activated) Uminari City (and theoretically the whole world) was experiencing an
earthquake, because of the dimensional disruption. No mention, or signs of, devastation caused by eruptions and earthquakes one might expect to be triggered by a planet-wide tremblor (even if it's pretty low on the richter scale)
Or, after firing of the rainbow gun :P, which had pretty amazing looking effects, noone seems to have noticed any effects from a magical super nuke. What, no blinding light in orbit lighting up the night sky, or possible "leaking" physical effects
like EMP , gravity waves, EM radiation, no satellites knocked out, or even in the way? Few author's or producer's of series are really concerned with logical consistency, or "retconning" wouldn't be needed. That sort of detail simply goes to deep for the purposes of hammering out a weekly television series. I do like to try to piece together "the way things work" for these kinds of stories, alas, the fudge factor will always remain quite large.

[Woden]

Oh forget it, other people are better at this than I am.

[Outlaender]

Power levels yes. But there's a difference between raw power and how well that can be applied to the situation. As Chrono has shown Fate very clearly in the comics. The ranking exams we've seen so far test applied skills, not raw power.

For the higher rankings, I wonder if there are even exams, or what. They're probably optional at least. I suspect Hayate has been pushing to advance her ranking (both as a mage and within the organisation) as fast as possible, while I doubt Nanoha is interested in such things, and probably mostly gets field promotions. Probably why she has her "ace of aces" tag.

After a certain level rank is reached in a military organization, the amount of "getting one's hands dirty " one get's to do goes down inversely proportional (exponential curve :p )to the paper work (read: desk job) you get saddled with. So yeah, seeing as how Nanoha mentions how much she loves flying, and the rest of her duties, she'd be
real leery of getting saddled with higher command. Not too mention, it would make it
more difficult for Hayate to get her assigned to the new Unit. Can't, for instance, have a Lt Col. reporting to another Lt. Col. Not in a normal Table of Organization, anway.

[Woden]

Except that this is Nanoha, the TSAB is a bit more like a police force in terms of action, and their admirals command ships from the field. Even the enforcers do paperwork. Based on what we've seen, it does not seem like you just get a desk job. If the case of Admiral Lindy is at all indicative of the process, you have to be willing to stop doing field work.

[Kikaifan]

Since the TSAB seems to promote at least partly on the basis of individual power they certainly have an incentive to keep their officers on the front lines.

I'm surprised they don't seem to encourage Graham's solution more for the high-power high-rank individuals, though- make familiars to keep your magical power in play while your brain and admiral's stars stay back at headquarters.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Hence my fear that Commodore Harlaown would be taking his mother's place in firing the Arc-en-Ciel (You know they're just itching to use it again...) for this season instead of being out there slicing, binding or freezing stuff.

[Aaron008R]

Hence my fear that Commodore Harlaown would be taking his mother's place in firing the Arc-en-Ciel (You know they're just itching to use it again...) for this season instead of being out there slicing, binding or freezing stuff.

Why not do both then?:D I'm not worrying much. Chrono is someone who (fortunately) the producers are willing to flesh out. Just a guess, but I'm pretty sure that he would be able to show off a good performance in the field like the past two seasons. The only worry I have is him not getting a decent solo battle with a boss class enemy. He definitely could handle that much, considering that he should be around or maybe above the Aces' levels.

[Outlaender]

I expect he'll be doing his thing from the bridge of the Arthra for the most part, until we get to a major crises point. Which would be a shame, but par for the course in the last two series, where he mostly did command and control. Perhaps he'll get a chance to play "cavalry". From the forshadowing of the coming crises at the end of A's to StrikerS, one would expect there to be an incident where Stars and Lightning squads (and maybe Hayate and Co.) simply get overwhelmed, and somebody with enough power has to lead the relief force. ^_^

I have a feeling that we're going to be seeing some casulties as well- the manga had that flashback of Vita's where Nanoha was seriously injured, ep 2 apparently has a comment made by Fate regarding Nanoha's physical health, and ep1 had Teeana spraining her ankle. It looks like the producers are making the point that the Nanohaverse has some edges to it. I wonder how many redshirts will end up biting the dust? ^_^ I wouldn't be surprised at the following scenario either: Nanoha ends up seriously injured, and on the sidelines until the climax, where she yet again demonstrates her philosophy of making friends through firepower. ^_^
Here's an idea out of left field- in the end Nanoha ends up unifiying with the mysterious pink-haired mage glimpsed in the OP.

[sezen_atacan]

So the part where Nanoha got seriously injured in the manga isn't Vita's imagination afterall? What happened and who were they fighting?

[Nightengale]

So the part where Nanoha got seriously injured in the manga isn't Vita's imagination afterall? What happened and who were they fighting?

We have no freaking clue...so far.

[Chaos2Frozen]

And considering this series isn't that big on revealing the past, we may never know...

[Chaos2Frozen]

Okay, we got scolded in the "Episode 2" thread for playing around too much :heh:, I'm running here since it's neutral Territory :) (As long as we're still talking about StrikerS... Or parts of it :heh: )

And since most (okay, some) of our jokes are VA related, I compose a list of some of the former lives of our favorite characters to start the ball rolling... (and mainly because I had nothing else better to do...)


Nanoha Takamachi (Yukari TAMURA)
----------------

1. Kawasumi Mai (kanon)
2. Rika Furude (Higurashi no Naku Koro ni)
3. Midori (Mai-Hime/Otome)

Fate T. Harlaown (Nana MIZUKI)
----------------

(Sorry! I can't think of anyone! :heh:)

Hayate Yagami (Kana Ueda)
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1. Rin Tohsaka (Fate/Stay Night)
2. Kohaku (Tsukihime)




Subaru Nakajima (Chiwa SAITO)
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1. Hazuki (Tsukiyomi, Moon Phase)
2. "Becky" (Pani Poni Dash!)

Teana Lanster (Mai NAKAHARA)
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1. Reina Ryuugu (Higurashi no Naku Koro ni)
2. Mai Tokiha (Mai-Hime/Otome)
3. Yuzuha (Utawarerumono)

Erio Mondial (Marina INOUE)
------------

(Same problem as Fate, can't think of anyone :heh:)

Caro Ru Lushe (Mikako TAKAHASHI)
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1. Kusuha Mizuha (SRW: OG)
2. Ayumi Yamada (Honey and Clover)
3. Montmorency (Zero no Tsukaima)

Signum (Kaori SHIMIZU)
------

1. Akira Takano (School Rumble)
2. Lain Iwakura (Serial Experiments Lain)

Vita (Asami SANADA)
----

1. Dejiko (Di Gi Charat)
2. Jun Sakurada (Rozen Maiden)

Shamal (Ryoka YUZUKI)
------

1. Haruka (Mai-Hime/Otome)
2. Eruruu (Utawarerumono)

Zafila (Kazuya ICHIJOU)
------

1. Hiroyuki Fujita (To Heart)
2. Former Shiro Takamachi :heh:

Reinforce Zwei (Yukana)
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1. Tessa Testarossa (Full Metal Panic!)
2. Mashiro (Mai-Hime/Otome)
3. C.C (Code Geass - Lelouch of the Rebellion)





Yuuno Scrya (Kaori MIZUHASHI)
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1. Laharl (Makai Senki Disgaea)
2. Sakuya (Utawarerumono)

Chrono Harlaown (Tomokazu SUGITA)
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1. KYON (The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya)
2. Yuuichi Aizawa (Kanon)
3. Rin Tsuchimi (Shuffle!)
4. Hideki Motosuwa (Chobits)
5. Brooklyn Luckfield (SRW: OG)
6. Takumi Mayama (Honey and Clover)

Arf (Natsuko KUWATANI)
---

1. Suiseiseki (Rozen Maiden)
2. Ryoko Asakura (The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya)

Amy Limiette (Yuki MATSUOKA)
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1. Tsuruya (The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya)

Verossa Acous (Daisuke ONO)
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1. Itsuki Koizumi (The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya)
2. Yukito Kunisaki (Air)
3. Enju (Rozen Maiden)




... This is of course not the complete list, just those that I could recall from my anime watch (or the "soon-to-be-watch") list which is by no means extensive :heh:.

I chose these because they're popular characters that most people might be able to relate to, or because they have another connection with another character in the previous life :).

(Or because I'm desperate and couldn't use anyone else...)

In any case, feel free to add names if any occurred to you...

[Dragosmore]

I just thought I'd point this out:
http://www.the-triad.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=447

[Ottocycle]

Mizuki Nana:
Cisqua in Erementar Gerad <----My personal favourite, she just SHINES in the role
Oboro in Basilisk <----My runner-up, though she's still playing a quiet, nice lady(damn typecasts)
Hyuuga Hinata <---- For the Naruto people.

And that was just the fanboy speaking.

[Nightengale]

Hmm...

Now that I think about it, for an anime with a very strong female cast, I'm surprised not even one member of the Weiss had a role, be it minor (( well, not that any of them deserves minor roles )) in the entire Nanoha-verse.

And...no offence to Yuuno and Mizuhashi, but are we even totally sure she's in for the Yuuno role in StrikerS? Granted, the epiloque of A's still had her as his seiyuu, but one would think that he's gone through a voice change by then... Unless there was some magazine article that confirmed her role in StrikerS that I didn't know of?

[Ottocycle]

I havent seen any such confirmation anywhere...Since Yuuno is probably reduced to a cameo role he probably won't appear in the cast lists in the usual places.

I anticipate the day when Yuuno comes back with the voice of Seki Tomokazu or Seki Toshihiko(both I think to be liable evolutions from Mizuhashi's voice)

:heh: :heh:

[Chaos2Frozen]

Mizuki Nana:

Hyuuga Hinata <---- For the Naruto people.

And that was just the fanboy speaking.

I counted 2 more girls in Naruto as well :heh:

I didn't know she did Cisqua, doesn't sound like her...

Edit: Heh... I just checked... Fate was 'Cisqua' and Nanoha was 'Ren' :)



And...no offence to Yuuno and Mizuhashi, but are we even totally sure she's in for the Yuuno role in StrikerS? Granted, the epiloque of A's still had her as his seiyuu, but one would think that he's gone through a voice change by then... Unless there was some magazine article that confirmed her role in StrikerS that I didn't know of?

That I have no clue, I'm just basing this on the ANN cast list...

But imo, she doesn't sound too weird for a young male adult... I guess.


I anticipate the day when Yuuno comes back with the voice of Seki Tomokazu or Seki Toshihiko(both I think to be liable evolutions from Mizuhashi's voice)


LOL!

It'll be interesting to have Tomokazu Sugita, Daisuke Ono and Seki Tomokazu on the show- Playing those particular characters...

(Didn't Yuuichi pick on Jun as well?)

[Bloodseeker]

And since most (okay, some) of our jokes are VA related, I compose a list of some of the former lives of our favorite characters to start the ball rolling... (and mainly because I had nothing else better to do...)

Kana Ueda as Hayate Yagamu

Rin Tohsaka (Fate/Stay Night) (my ONLY favorite by this VA... granted, she's a pretty major favorite, my second favorite tsundere behind Asuka Langley Sohryu, unless you count Urumi Kanzaki as a tsundere)


Nana Mizuki as Fate T. Harlaown

Collete Brunel (Tales of Symphonia)
Hinata Hyuuga (Naruto)


Yukari Tamura as Nanoha Takamachi

Rika Furude (Higurashi no Naku Koro ni)
Midori Sugiura (My HiME/Otome)

(Ranpha's pretty hot too, but I haven't seen Galaxy Angel)


Asami Sanada as Vita

Nobody.


Chiwa Saito as Subaru Nakajima

Lavie Head (Last Exile)

(Kirie's hot too, but I haven't seen DB, save for one episode RAW)


Kaori Shimizu as Signum

Ekuryua (Banner of the Stars)


Kazuya Ichijou as Zafira

Nobody.


Mai Nakahara as Teana Lanster

Mai Tokiha (My HiME/Otome)
Rena Ryuuga (Higurashi no Naku Koro ni)


Marina Inoue as Elio Mondial

Nobody


Mikako Takahashi as Caro Ru Lushe

Negredo (Xenosaga)


Ryoka Yuzuki as Shamal

Haruka Suzushiro (My-HiME/Otome)
Ino Yamanaka (Naruto)


Yukana as Reinforce Zwei

Tear Grants (Tales of the Abyss)
CC (Code Geass)
Teletha "Tessa" Testarossa (Full Metal Panic)

Natsuko Kuwatani as Arf

Ryoko Asakura (The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya)
Alister Agrew (Last Exile)

[USB500]

Chrono Harlaown (Tomokazu SUGITA)
---------------

1. KYON (The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya)




I knew it! Chrono's gonna be an awesome, if not cynical, man of the house.

Tomokazu Sugita = no contest :heh:

[Chaos2Frozen]

I knew it! Chrono's gonna be an awesome, if not cynical, man of the house.

Tomokazu Sugita = no contest :heh:

As long as they keep his track records up... :)

[Aaron008R]

FINALLY! This board is active again. :D
About VA's, Signum's also voices Lamia Loveless from SRW games.

[Jabawock]

FINALLY! This board is active again. :D
About VA's, Signum's also voices Lamia Loveless from SRW games.

So, Sturm Falke inspire from Phantom Phoenix ?

[Aaron008R]

So, Sturm Falke inspire from Phantom Phoenix ?

That would seem to be the case. I heard the producers admitted to being fans of the Super Robot Taisen franchise. I believe this is also the reason why Fate gets Bardiche Zanber (Zankantou reference).:D

[Nightengale]

Shit! I've totally forgotten that Mikako voiced child Nigredo.

Elio has red hair...has something to do with some research institution if I recall correctly...and otp-fied meeting of destiny with Caro.

Caro has...pink hair.



Can we hope for StrikerS's Mid-Boss to be...

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/4485/albedo291aa0a0lp0.th.jpg (http://img292.imageshack.us/my.php?image=albedo291aa0a0lp0.jpg)

Albedo freaking Piazolla with Lost Logia Simeon?

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g128/Shadowman3219/Other%20Games/albedo.jpg

Even the Aces have nothing on that half-deranged sexy beast. :P

[Streetor]

They still need a magic device that speaks Latin

[Skane]

They still need a magic device that speaks Latin
So now I got this image of devices that sing Latin ballads and serenade their enemies with passionate love songs as explosions light up the background and wretched screeching fill the air.

Natch.

[Streetor]

Hey Drago. What's up with you acting like you don't want to sub Nanoha on the Triad homepage?

I know the truth. You can't get enough of Nanoha.

I remember your quote from the first season on how you forced Triad to sub it.: "Yes yes, but I'm their t/ler so they can't do much and Nanoha is actually proving to be quite a good show because its overflowing with awesome plot and char. design"

Actually, now that I read your comments again, you are starting to act more and more like the other staff members (Lordbrian, Kanna, etc.)

Don't let them change you Drago!

[Streetor]

So now I got this image of devices that sing Latin ballads and serenade their enemies with passionate love songs as explosions light up the background and wretched screeching fill the air.

Natch.

Hey! It worked for Gargoyles!

The spellcasters there at least sounded cool when speaking Latin

[Meophist]

I just finished reading the fan anticipation thread. Ugh…

Latin? Hrmm… thinking maybe Hebrew wouldn't be too bad either.

[Ottocycle]

Oh wow congratulations. 3k posts certainly is no mean feat(I started in the middle, even with the fanboyism that accompanied the gratituity of watching ep12 the first time)

We need harsh languages for the devices. Russian maybe? That would be kickass IMO, maybe for the mages with square arrays or something.

[Loner]

We need harsh languages for the devices. Russian maybe? That would be kickass IMO, maybe for the mages with square arrays or something.

I vote for Klingon. :rolleyes:

[Jabawock]

I just finished reading the fan anticipation thread. Ugh…

Latin? Hrmm… thinking maybe Hebrew wouldn't be too bad either.

Hebrew? Eh, we might see something resemble to Dis-Astranagant...

[Meophist]

Hrmm… just noticed. The gun Teana has (right now) is a storage device called "Anchor Gun". Oddly enough, I don't remember this being mentioned here.

[Ottocycle]

Probably because all the attention was being paid towards Cross Mirage?

Cross Mirage looks way cooler(+ points for dual wield), but the anchor gun wins in...well...the anchor. A great way to get around. Not to mention its pimped in (mock) battle already.

*Idea hatches* If Cross Mirage had a melee ability in the form of an extendable energy blade from the barrel a la Bardiche (like Zeta Gundam's beam rifle) and Tiana held it like Chip Zanuff from the Guilty Gear series i.e. the blade running along the outside of the forearm...

*stops fantasizing*

[Aaron008R]

Probably because all the attention was being paid towards Cross Mirage?

Cross Mirage looks way cooler(+ points for dual wield), but the anchor gun wins in...well...the anchor. A great way to get around. Not to mention its pimped in (mock) battle already.

*Idea hatches* If Cross Mirage had a melee ability in the form of an extendable energy blade from the barrel a la Bardiche (like Zeta Gundam's beam rifle) and Tiana held it like Chip Zanuff from the Guilty Gear series i.e. the blade running along the outside of the forearm...

*stops fantasizing*

A beam pistol with a beam tonfa? Sounds cool to me.:D

[Chaos2Frozen]

Perhaps she has picked up a skill or two from Natsuki with the time she spent in Mai-Hime :)

[Darco_emp]

Perhaps she has picked up a skill or two from Natsuki with the time she spent in Mai-Hime :)

Heh, if she did learn some of those tricks then she must have taught Subaru... Just add one more word to Subaru's "Load Cartridge":heh:

[Chaos2Frozen]

Heh, if she did learn some of those tricks then she must have taught Subaru... Just add one more word to Subaru's "Load Cartridge":heh:

Now that I think about it, all three of the rookie girls have a part of Natsuki.

Teana has the guns.
Subaru has the cartridge.
Carol has the frost.

:)

[Saint X]

We need harsh languages for the devices. Russian maybe? That would be kickass IMO, maybe for the mages with square arrays or something.

One voted Russian I vote French...

[Chaos2Frozen]

Carol's name is french right? So that one's possible... (Wait, is it an intelligence device to begin with? I forgot...)

Unsure about Russian... Maybe for the drones :heh:... Or the 'mysterious' girl (sorry, I can't spell her name...)

Btw, what's the name of Erio's weapon again? And which language is it in?

[Nightengale]

Btw, what's the name of Erio's weapon again? And which language is it in?

Strada.

Italian.

Strada means Road in Italian.

[Ottocycle]

Doesn't it speak English? Or maybe it only does English when Erio copies Fate's move...the rest should be German, given the fact that its an Armed Velka device and it shares the same voice actor as Eisen and Laevatein.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Strada.

Italian.

Strada means Road in Italian.

Thanks :)

With a name like that, he's probably not going to fly anytime soon... (Sure it might be just symbolic...)

EDIT:

Doesn't it speak English? Or maybe it only does English when Erio copies Fate's move...the rest should be German, given the fact that its an Armed Velka device and it shares the same voice actor as Eisen and Laevatein.

Nightengale probably means that the name Strada is Italian...

I can think of one reason why it's not speaking german. Eisen and Laevatein were probably made by some ancient dude (The one that created the book...), while Strada is more 'modern', so it would have a different... 'Operating system'.

[Kha]

*waggles a finger in the air*

and hence the term Neo-Velka for the new mages, unless that term was a fan-creation? :heh:

[Darco_emp]

I would just call it new Velka/moden Velka....

Still is it comfirmed yet which device will speak in French?, I guess Caro's boost device and leave all Velka in German...

[Chaos2Frozen]

I would just call it new Velka/moden Velka....

Still is it comfirmed yet which device will speak in French?, I guess Caro's boost device and leave all Velka in German...

Are the knights considered using Old or modern Velka? If they're using 'old' Velka (Remeber, they're not humans so maybe the TSAB didn't include them in the list) then it's safe to say that old Velka devices speak german...

[Skane]

Are the knights considered using Old or modern Velka? If they're using 'old' Velka (Remeber, they're not humans so maybe the TSAB didn't include them in the list) then it's safe to say that old Velka devices speak german...
The Knights are Ancient-Velka, same as the Saint Church trio. Due to their status as "programs", they are not considered as part of the "three known users" since they are more or less extensions of Hayate herself.

Erio and Subaru use Modern-Velka, which is considered a less extreme version of Ancient-Velka.

Cheers.

[Saint X]

And on some notes:

AV: speaks only in german and does not display any 'screen prompt'

NV: majority of devices under this form are non-intelligent (no AI of any sort)(Subaru's set as an example). If AI are present, they have 'screen prompt' which is written in MC-form language in one mode or another (Elio's Strada as an example)- and occasionally speak English (still suspecting that NV-from devices w/AI speak German). Also included is the provision for spell ribbon usage- a trademark of MC-form magic attacks (Subaru doing DB as an example). Though the seal is still the same, some seemingly Velka moves are done in MC-form (Wing road's letters as an example- let me clarify if they are MC or runic letters *curses file*) - Basically, NV is the MC-safe/allowed/combined form of AV. "Velka for the new generation/century/blahblah" - i think they did not have any choice but to include the Velka-form (in any manner, ancient or modern), since the majority of MC-form mages use ranged attacks (Fate is the common exception)

probably, Carol's device will speak in English, as it is the default in MC-form devices

[Loner]

The Triad just put up a pared-down, translated version of the official Nanoha website.

http://www.nanoha.the-triad.org/

[Meophist]

A question: Have the birthdays of the characters been announced?

[Thisguy]

Basically, NV is the MC-safe/allowed/combined form of AV.According to magazine article (I don't remember which one was that...), Modern Velka is not directly related to Ancient Velka, rather MV is emulated style that runs on MC principle and acts and appears like Velka style.

As MV and MC share the basis, it's not suprising Strada can use both MC and MV magic or Subaru's going to use I.D (Mach-Calibur) and A.D (Knuckle) at the same time, whereas AV users strictly use AV with A.D.

[LoweGear]

The Triad just put up a pared-down, translated version of the official Nanoha website.

http://www.nanoha.the-triad.org/

Now THESE are the type of background info I've been dying to see (trivia freak):

The 97th Administrated Outer World (Current Planet Name: "Earth")
Far East Sector, Japan, Uminari City

So that's their classification for Earth eh? And Teana's Anchor Gun is classified as a "Cartridge Type Quasi Storage Device", quite different from the other devices.

And here's Triad's full listing of who are named after cars (and there's ALOT):

SPECIAL NOTES ON NAMES:


-Fate's original last name, Testarossa, was based off of the Ferrari Testarossa
-The name Subaru Nakajima is based off of the SUBARU brand of cars, and before WWII, the head manufucaturing company, Fuji Heavy Industries, was known as Nakajima Aircraft. This also plays into the airport incident at the beginnng of episode 1.
-Teana's based off of the Nissan Teana
-Aerio Mondial is based off of the the Suzuki Aerio and Ferrari Mondial (note how Testarossa and Mondial are based off of Ferraris and think of the relationship between these two characters)
-Caro L. was based off of the Mazda Carol (Nanoha creators were trying to be creative and make it weird)
-Signum is based off of the Opel Signum
-Vita is based off of the Opel Vita
-Shamal is based off of the Maserati Shamal
-Zafira is based off of the Opel Zafira
-Shario is based off of the Mitsubishi Chariot but we refuse to name a character Chariot.
-Vice Granscenic is based off of the Renault Grand Scenic and most likely GTA: Vice City
-Carym Gracia is based off of the Camry Gracia. Note how Camry has been re-arranged
-Verossa has been based off of the Toyota Verossa
-Alto is based off of the Suzuki Alto
-Lucino is based off of the Nissan Lucino
-Schach Nouera is based off of the Mitsuoka Nouera

Expected them to miss the Weiss and Alt connection ^^; But damn, that's alot of automobile related names there. I especially like Subaru's naming background.

[Kha]

Now THESE are the type of background info I've been dying to see (trivia freak):

The 97th Administrated Outer World (Current Planet Name: "Earth")
Far East Sector, Japan, Uminari City


*takes notes for fics later*

[Thisguy]

The 97th Administrated Outer World (Current Planet Name: "Earth")Hmm... they translated "管理外" in that way?
"管理外" is more like Non-Administrated World imho - especially with the fact that Earth is still not ready to accept far more advanced techs of Midchilda.

[Saffaya]

Actually, Nanoha is the second series I know of that uses car names for characters.

Magic Knight Rayearth did it too.

Exemple :

Presea
http://yukariskawaiishop.com/magic-knight-rayearth-presea-plush-japanese-doll-p-1500.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Presea

Alcyone
http://www.manga.it/fanart/view.php?c=33324
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_Alcyone_SVX

[Kha]

Hmm... they translated "管理外" in that way?
"管理外" is more like Non-Administrated World imho - especially with the fact that Earth is still not ready to accept far more advanced techs of Midchilda.

Hmm that's quite true too, depending on how u lump the words together, a bit like where u put a comma might change depending on where u put it. I wonder what's Triad's stand on this?

Actually, Nanoha is the second series I know of that uses car names for characters.

Magic Knight Rayearth did it too.

Exemple :

Presea
http://yukariskawaiishop.com/magic-knight-rayearth-presea-plush-japanese-doll-p-1500.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Presea

Alcyone
http://www.manga.it/fanart/view.php?c=33324
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_Alcyone_SVX

Not the first to notice, and won't be the last. The car nomenclature went as far back as Fate herself, where her initial initials (pardon the pun) and last name were that of the Ferrari Testarossa. Which makes for someone to end up with a dodgy name. *thinks of Chariot and shudders*

[Saffaya]

Not the first to notice, and won't be the last.

Actually I am the very first on this forum to point out the fact Rayearth did use the car names for chars before Nanoha.
(make a search a nanoha forum with the term 'rayearth' and you'll see).

Anyone know of other shows that did the same ?

[Woden]

Actually I am the very first on this forum to point out the fact Rayearth did use the car names for chars before Nanoha.
(make a search a nanoha forum with the term 'rayearth' and you'll see).

Except that this board is not the only ploace to get information. With the number of times that the wikipedia articles have been posted, I'd be surprised if the majority people didn't already know it.

[Kikaifan]

Let's not forget the great-granddaddy of them all, Roy Fokker. Though that's one character rather than a policy and explicitly referenced in the series so it's not quite the same...

[Kha]

*Looks suddenly lost*

Riot Fokka = Roy Fokker, is that the one?

[Kikaifan]

Roy Fokker of Macross, after the Fokker Dr.I and/or its producer.

[BatAttack]

Anyone know of other shows that did the same ?

Someone said Solty Rei did, but I'm not really sure.

I just checked ANN, and the only one I recognised is Celica Yayoi.
We have a Toyota Celica here in Australia, dunno about other countries.

[Bloodseeker]

*watches episode of Negima*

...

*leaves topic*

*drives down to convenience store*

*buys ten cans of mace and kendo stick*

*re-enters topic*

*thoroughly maces everyone that said that Teana = Asuna w/ guns, then beats them over the back of the head with the kendo stick*

ASUNA ISN'T ANYWHERE NEAR COOL ENOUGH TO BE COMPARED TO TEANA! And Teana doesn't commit random acts of violence for no particular reason! They look alike and they're both pretty high on the tsun-scale! That's it!

[murklins]

*watches episode of Negima*
So... did you watch the original or Negima!?, the vastly superior remake that is kinda like Nanoha (magic and fight scenes, anyway) + Pani Poni Dash + harem? This is vital, since the first series is really really bad and the second rather good (as well as stuck in fansub limbo :upset: ).

Agreed on people comparing Asuna and Teana, though.

[Bloodseeker]

Negima?!

Episode that I watched wasn't that great (watched the spring OVA... meh), but given some of the concepts and the brief bit that I saw of the characters, I got the feeling that a good episode would have been really entertaining.

(I intend to read the manga before I fully watch either anime, though, since I hear that the manga is vastly superior to both... that was definitely true with Love Hina; maybe Ken Akamatsu's sense of humor just doesn't translate that well into anime form?)

[murklins]

(watched the spring OVA... meh)

(I intend to read the manga before I fully watch either anime, though, since I hear that the manga is vastly superior to both... that was definitely true with Love Hina; maybe Ken Akamatsu's sense of humor just doesn't translate that well into anime form?)
The OVAs are nothing more than vehicles for fanservice, the actual show has much, much less.

And Negima!? is nothing like the manga because Shaft adds their PPD style to the mix, plus it's currently deep in original story and doesn't seem to be returning anytime soon. Doesn't mean the manga is bad though, I enjoyed it... just be prepared for many, many pantyshots.

Speaking of fanservice, is it just me or are they laying it on thicker in StrikerS? Or did I just mentally block most of the loli-service out in the first two seasons?

[Bloodseeker]

No, pretty much all of the fanservice in Nanoha and Nanoha As aside the transformation sequences and the hotsprings episode were centered around the adults.

And I definitely wouldn't complain if they layed it on thicker in StrikerS. :D

(assuming that they didn't become too reliant on it, but I couldn't see Nanoha doing that)

[dkellis]

Speaking of fanservice, is it just me or are they laying it on thicker in StrikerS? Or did I just mentally block most of the loli-service out in the first two seasons?

What, you mean apart from the nude transformation sequences?

There were a few panty-flashes, but nothing really, um, lingering. An example would be in the first episode of A's, where Vita strikes down at Nanoha with her hammer (and misses), and we get a fairly clear view of her (white) panties. And then there's the scenes of Nanoha changing or such.

I mean, after the transformation sequences and Fate's outfit, it does seem kind of tame to have a panty-flash once in a while. Heck, I don't remember seeing much fanservice in StrikerS so far. ("Don't remember" does not mean "doesn't exist", mind.)

[Yukiko-chan]

No I dont think there is any fanservice thats a real good thing .It makes me like the show even more also I would like Shoujo-ai though .As Nanoha and fate getting together if there not already.(Maybe it still just hasnt shown??) wishful thinking thingy lol.

But nope it doesnt have fan service witch is good,So everyone can watch it not just older people and perveted men lol.No offense for the guys that arnt lol.But can you say that and know your not lying ........anyways I need to see ep 3 now.Girls who like to see panty shots.......it aint so bad if you ask me lol guess that makes me a (Spelled wrong) Hippocrite lol.. Maybe I think thats the word. But still ....................

[Skane]

A much more in-depth explanation on the names in MSLN, courtesy of NegativeZero.

Nanoha Strikers: Character Name Romanisations and Origins (http://pinkubentobox.com/blog/index.php/archives/358/nanoha-strikers-character-name-romanisations-and-origins/)

Cheers.

[LoweGear]

Yup, read that, and it's quite interesting that even Lutecia has a connection to cars... on the other hand, the author forgot about Shamal and her car connection ^^;;

[Kikaifan]

Shamal is also the only one to have a thematically appropriate name AFAIK.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

where did they get the name for Baldiche??....i wonder if its a Car name also....
so i'm guessing that Nanoha has the most normal name out of everyone in the Nanoha universe...:heh:

[DJ_RockmanX]

where did they get the name for Baldiche??....i wonder if its a Car name also....
so i'm guessing that Nanoha has the most normal name out of everyone in the Nanoha universe...:heh:

A Bardiche (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardiche) is a polearm. :heh:

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

A Bardiche (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardiche) is a polearm. :heh:

woah cool, and it looks kinda like Baldiche in device form:heh:
thanks for the info!
and Nanoha being called "the white devil"...i can see it now, after re-watching the first two seasons...i mean if you're not gonna be a friend of Nanoha, then be prepared to be a victim of her attacks without mercy:heh:

[Loner]

so i'm guessing that Nanoha has the most normal name out of everyone in the Nanoha universe...:heh:

Well, there's two sources for the characters in Nanoha. Those that were imported directly from the Triangle Hearts video game series, which covers Nanoha and everyone who made an appearance in the first Nanoha anime except Fate, Arf and Precia. Those characters' names are "normal".

Then there's the characters who were created specifically for the anime franchise. These are the characters who are named after vehicles, which I'm guessing is probably a tribute to Magic Knights Rayearth by the staffers.

[Loner]

and Nanoha being called "the white devil"...i can see it now, after re-watching the first two seasons...i mean if you're not gonna be a friend of Nanoha, then be prepared to be a victim of her attacks without mercy:heh:

"If you're NOT going to be a friend"?? Are you kidding? That's how she MAKES all her friends!! (see: Arisa Bannings, Fate Testarossa, Vita, Reinforce I) ;)

[raidou]

So Blast first ,talk later is the best solution in Nanoha case :heh:

Friedrich Caro's dragon might refer to the Air con brand :confused: maybe ...just keep reminded of this because am using one.

Speaking of fanservice, is it just me or are they laying it on thicker in StrikerS? Or did I just mentally block most of the loli-service out in the first two seasons?

Which fan service are you referring too , see nothing really just like what dklleis and yukiko mentioned.If you consider Nanoha/Fate transform sequence in the OP fan service , wait till they zoomed in later :uhoh: and you might bleed to death(maybe)

Cut those henshin sequence short, they are so annoying most of the time and waste of minutes.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

that is true!!
i mean starlight breaker used on Fate = friends with Fate
slap Alisa on the face for being a bully = friends
Kicked Vita's Butt = friends (well not too sure, cuz she still didn't like Nanoha much at the end of A's)
and Kicking Reinforce's butt = friends!

hahahaha it works well with Nanoha!

[Radiosity]

You think she'd make friends so easily if she used THIS? (http://www.narcess.net/junk/images/random/nanoha_crushing_heart.png) ;)

(model and very quick render by me)

edit: Been having some problems with my site since monday, so let me know if it doesn't load.

[Kikaifan]

Lol, pretty funny.

Question- does Hayate's unit's name really translate to 'division'? Because... it's a little small for that. Even taking into account that mages may count more like vehicles than individual troops.

I mean, within the Midchildan Army a battalion is definitely larger than them...

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

You think she'd make friends so easily if she used THIS? (http://www.narcess.net/junk/images/random/nanoha_crushing_heart.png) ;)

(model and very quick render by me)

edit: Been having some problems with my site since monday, so let me know if it doesn't load.

she would make friends really quick if she threatened them with that!:heh:

[selkirk]

Lol, pretty funny.

Question- does Hayate's unit's name really translate to 'division'? Because... it's a little small for that. Even taking into account that mages may count more like vehicles than individual troops.

I mean, within the Midchildan Army a battalion is definitely larger than them...

課 can be translated as division, but it doesn't really mean division in the military sense. It's more like section, department, etc.

師団 would be division in the military sense.

[aldw]

I've always thought it was Mobile Section 6...

[Thisguy]

Well, then there's always official translation "Riot Force 6"... no matter how Engrish it is. :rolleyes:

[Skane]

Well, then there's always official translation "Riot Force 6"... no matter how Engrish it is. :rolleyes:
Riot Force 6 isn't "Engrishy". The grammar is sound.

What makes it strange is the lack of contextual meaning. What riots are they planning to quell? Why riots?

Maybe it is because of the police element in it? Riot Forces usually have specialised equipment to deal with riots, and are usually shown to be well-equipped (when you get to see them on the news). Perhaps they were going for the image, and not for the job details.

Cheers.

[Skyfall]

Maybe they plan on rioting against TSAB ? :heh: ...aka angry mob :heh:

[Chaos2Frozen]

I was thinking it had something to do with them fighting against the drones.

Any villian who uses mindless machines as foot soldiers just blindly send in large numbers of them... Like a riot :)

Hence, it's a force that... deals with large numbers of foe :heh:

[Lost]

Riot Force 6 isn't "Engrishy". The grammar is sound.

What makes it strange is the lack of contextual meaning. What riots are they planning to quell? Why riots?

Maybe it is because of the police element in it? Riot Forces usually have specialised equipment to deal with riots, and are usually shown to be well-equipped (when you get to see them on the news). Perhaps they were going for the image, and not for the job details.

Cheers.
Hehe, like Skyfall - I'd think (context aside) that this was a force to cause riots; so in that contextual sense it must be Engrish. Maybe I'm just too used to "Riot Police." Yeah, so they thought "Force" would sound better than "Police." Then again, Chaos2Frozen's point of view works too.

[Loner]

Hence, it's a force that... deals with large numbers of foe :heh:

By countering it with large amounts of moe? :D

[Skane]

By countering it with large amounts of moe? :D
No, by lots of "blowy". ;)

Cheers.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Heheh.

Numbers doesn't matter if you have a group that deals massive AOE and LOS attacks :)

You can't spell "damage" without "mage" :D

[Nightengale]

Any villian who uses mindless machines as foot soldiers just blindly send in large numbers of them... Like a riot :)

The problem in that argument is that I don't think they even remotely qualify as...foot soldiers.

The current standard of drones shown proves that they have literally no offensive capabilities, and that they are very fragile. Not fire-proof wtf? All they've got is decent anti-magic fields which decent mages can easily beat with some tactical planning, and speed, which is nothing too great either. I mean, for flying drones, they don't even try to play dirty by flying HIGH against opponents that can't fly...or maybe it was emulated that way in the Danger Room-wannabe so that the rookies actually have a chance. Whatever.

I mean...where are the Droidekas of Nanoha-verse? You'd think they'd add some physical weaponry on drones had they wanted it to be an even remote threat to TSAB? By that, I'm expecting some T-800/Droideka function-like droids (( actually battle-worthy )) by these villians half-way through StrikerS, or I will be dissapointed.

I mean, Vita thinks handling a bunch of fragile drones that has nothing on physical-based Velka that also don't hit back is getting tougher. The rookies didn't exactly win easy, and Teana needed to exert herself completely to destroy just 2. What if they actually have offensive capabilities?

[Skyfall]

I was thinking it had something to do with them fighting against the drones.

Any villian who uses mindless machines as foot soldiers just blindly send in large numbers of them... Like a riot :)

Hence, it's a force that... deals with large numbers of foe :heh:

Perhaps it is more of a symbolic meaning? As in... a squad that decides for themselves(Hayate/Fate/Nanoha) where and when to go and what to do etc... answer to nobody (more or less) ..kinda :heh:

Kinda like a squad that doesn't need to sit around and wait until all the paper work is cleared before they are allowed to act :heh: Though i bet they are going to act anyway if civilians or something is in danger, official permission or not...hence riot force :heh:

[Chaos2Frozen]

The problem in that argument is that I don't think they even remotely qualify as...foot soldiers.



Yeah... I've been think about that...

Maybe it's because our heroes are too much of a match for them, but they're really really easy... Makes you wonder why they considered them a threat... Probably it's because they're sent to capture Lost logias...

Perhaps they're just the 'worker' class?

Perhaps it is more of a symbolic meaning? As in... a squad that decides for themselves(Hayate/Fate/Nanoha) where and when to go and what to do etc... answer to nobody (more or less) ..kinda :heh:

Kinda like a squad that doesn't need to sit around and wait until all the paper work is cleared before they are allowed to act :heh: Though i bet they are going to act anyway if civilians or something is in danger, official permission or not...hence riot force :heh:

That's really giving them alot of power and trust.

"To act with or without permission as they see fit..."

No wonder the knights are worry about backlash....

[Kha]

By countering it with large amounts of moe? :D

No, by lots of "blowy". ;)

Cheers.

Skirts? :D

Heheh.

Numbers doesn't matter if you have a group that deals massive AOE and LOS attacks :)

You can't spell "damage" without "mage" :D

I remember a char from B-daman called B-daMage. Anyway's she's da Mage!

The problem in that argument is that I don't think they even remotely qualify as...foot soldiers.

The current standard of drones shown proves that they have literally no offensive capabilities, and that they are very fragile. Not fire-proof wtf? All they've got is decent anti-magic fields which decent mages can easily beat with some tactical planning, and speed, which is nothing too great either. I mean, for flying drones, they don't even try to play dirty by flying HIGH against opponents that can't fly...or maybe it was emulated that way in the Danger Room-wannabe so that the rookies actually have a chance. Whatever.

I mean...where are the Droidekas of Nanoha-verse? You'd think they'd add some physical weaponry on drones had they wanted it to be an even remote threat to TSAB? By that, I'm expecting some T-800/Droideka function-like droids (( actually battle-worthy )) by these villians half-way through StrikerS, or I will be dissapointed.

I mean, Vita thinks handling a bunch of fragile drones that has nothing on physical-based Velka that also don't hit back is getting tougher. The rookies didn't exactly win easy, and Teana needed to exert herself completely to destroy just 2. What if they actually have offensive capabilities?

Yeah... I've been think about that...

Maybe it's because our heroes are too much of a match for them, but they're really really easy... Makes you wonder why they considered them a threat... Probably it's because they're sent to capture Lost logias...

Perhaps they're just the 'worker' class?


@Chaos: It's easy for them, but machines can literally be in more than one place at once, and even Starlight Breaker has a maximum range, and with civilians around a blunt assault is a :nono:

Hmm... 1 human opponent sitting atop a massive machine empire.

*Conjures an image of Nanoha and Fate fighting off Sentinel-like machines et la Matrix for all to see*

Ah yessss... Don't you feel the coming darkness... And knowing the groundbreaking nature of Nanoha, they'd probably have anime bullet time too. ^^

[Chaos2Frozen]

@Chaos: It's easy for them, but machines can literally be in more than one place at once, and even Starlight Breaker has a maximum range, and with civilians around a blunt assault is a :nono:



Well I wasn't expecting them to clear the field with one shot :heh:, but so far the drones aren't actually fighting back... Well, as far as I could tell.

[Thisguy]

Well I wasn't expecting them to clear the field with one shot :heh:, but so far the drones aren't actually fighting back... Well, as far as I could tell.Well, at least those simulated Drones did fight back (they fired some bolts to Erio), so I suppose real one would, too.

What's more is that they're refered to as "Gadget Drone Type-1" in speech.
I sense more of them are on their way...

[Chaos2Frozen]

Well, at least those simulated Drones did fight back (they fired some bolts to Erio), so I suppose real one would, too.

What's more is that they're refered to as "Gadget Drone Type-1" in speech.
I sense more of them are on their way...

Well, there's that bigger sized one that the 4 of them destroyed in the OP... Then there's the aerial ones that Nanoha and Fate totaled...

Maybe not all drones are AMF-protected...

[Skane]

Skirts? :D ~
No. "Blowy" as in "Blow things up". :)

About the Drones... some things to bear in mind.

Vita commented in Ep02 that the Drones were getting better, so we know that the organisation behind the Drones also believe in quality, and not just quantity.
.
The Drones used against the cadets are most probably not "full-fledged" Drones, but modified ones that are tamer than the originals. It was more of a test to see how they will fight against AMF-using opponents (since that is the whole purpose of their Section). "Throwing Your Cubs Into The Pit" may be a valid metaphor, but no sane modern military does that if they want to retain their soldiers (this ain't Sparta, yo).

Cheers.

[Thisguy]

The Drones used against the cadets are most probably not "full-fledged" Drones, but modified ones that are tamer than the originals. Nanoha clearly states that these Drones are simulated beings, and AMF effect is also emulated by their devices as if there's actual AMF, probably controlled through the chip Charlie mentions that she added right before the training.

[Nightengale]

Still, aren't the drones supposed to possess AMF that provides AAA-level protection to the extent where Accel Shooter had no effect? And yet Variable Shoot got through not one but 2.

Not to mention the AI of the real drones seem to be wipe out everything in it's path that blocks it's objectives to extents of destroying a whole Lost Logia excavation site. The emulated drones seem more interested in running away than engaging those in their way.

[Skane]

Aye. Hence the "tamer" part of my prior post. I am not questioning the abilities of the simulated Drones, but the extent in which they have been programmed to behave.

Cheers.

[Key Board]

Variable Shooter is a sorcery DESIGNED specifically to pierce magic fields

That's the difference

I'm not sure who said it, but it's probably yet another mecha homage to Gundam F-91's Variable Speed Beam Riffle


Though, from what I've seen it's not very mana efficient on Teana and thus better to rely on other tactics

[raidou]

You are right on VS being special for AMF. VS and VSBR name might be similar but they work differently, VSBR more like controlling the output of the beam power from what i can remember.

Erio tactic to destroy the bridge and make em collapse on the drone look way less tiring and complicated than VS ^^

[Kikaifan]

Variable Shooter is a sorcery DESIGNED specifically to pierce magic fields

That's the difference

Agreed. From the conversation in the manga I got the impression that nothing, no matter how powerful, will penetrate AMF if it isn't designed to (I don't care if it's R1 casting annihilation lightning, it just won't go through... though R1 could probably redesign the spell on-the-fly like she did SB, bless her overpowered machine soul), but a correctly-designed spell will regardless of its power.

It adds an extra dimension to the combat in that there's now a major factor affecting the usefulness of spells beyond just their raw power and the unfortunately relatively minimized ease-of-use/tactical factors like casting time, projectile speed/control/range, etc. etc.

[Key Board]

this is getting a bit off topic but

VSBR has two settings

thick beam, thus more damage upon contact. Similar to Divine Buster
thin compressed beam, faster velocity. designed to pierce beam shields. has a much smaller target area

now from what I have seen instead of charging up and making the magic bullet Xbox / Frieza ball of death sized, Teana compresses it into a compact multilayered bullet

thus the comparison

And yes, Teana is at disadvantage for being pure midchilda style compared to her team mates

[Chaos2Frozen]

You are right on VS being special for AMF. VS and VSBR name might be similar but they work differently, VSBR more like controlling the output of the beam power from what i can remember.

Erio tactic to destroy the bridge and make em collapse on the drone look way less tiring and complicated than VS ^^


Except sometimes people don't like having their public property sliced up :heh:... Sure you could argure that it's for the greater good, but they're not the ones who's going to be cleaning up the mess...

[Loner]

Except sometimes people don't like having their public property sliced up :heh:... Sure you could argure that it's for the greater good, but they're not the ones who's going to be cleaning up the mess...

Why do you think they gave Mobile 6 a holographic training platform? The procurement division probably remembered what happened the first time Nanoha, Fate and Hayate did combat training together (see the last A's manga), and then realized the three would be training together EVERY DAY from now on. :heh:

[Darco_emp]

Why do you think they gave Mobile 6 a holographic training platform? The procurement division probably remembered what happened the first time Nanoha, Fate and Hayate did combat training together (see the last A's manga), and then realized the three would be training together EVERY DAY from now on. :heh:

I should think the ridiculously expensive holographic platform could be see as a very vaild investment for the TSAB, after adding up the cost needed to mend the dmg after each training session Nanoha is in :heh:

VB shot got through the AMF because there has an barrier layer which prevents the actual shot gets dispersed ... Besides since AMF only makes magic unforcused I'm under then impression that overkill spells like annihilation lighting will pierce AMF's.

[Chaos2Frozen]

I should think the ridiculously expensive holographic platform could be see as a very vaild investment for the TSAB, after adding up the cost needed to mend the dmg after each training session Nanoha is in :heh:


I think the best part of it is that it's an open field rather then an enclosed area :)


VB shot got through the AMF because there has an barrier layer which prevents the actual shot gets dispersed ... Besides since AMF only makes magic unforcused I'm under then impression that overkill spells like annihilation lighting will pierce AMF's.

Unless it's a ridiculously nerfed version of the drones, it's unusual how Teana's projectile took sometime to penetrate the first drone's AMF while it just blasts through the second like nothing...

Of course, there was the suggestion that the second drone was caught 'by surprise', if that's the case then another way to counter drones is just to have high speed attacks, magic or not, and destroy it before it activates it's AMF...

Then again, they call it "TYPE-1", so there's a possiblity that there are other types of drones with different types of AMF that functions differently...

Off-topic: I get the feeling that recently a number of fans are losing their faith with this season, even though it's only the 3rd episode...

[Kha]

Unless it's a ridiculously nerfed version of the drones, it's unusual how Teana's projectile took sometime to penetrate the first drone's AMF while it just blasts through the second like nothing...

Of course, there was the suggestion that the second drone was caught 'by surprise', if that's the case then another way to counter drones is just to have high speed attacks, magic or not, and destroy it before it activates it's AMF...

Then again, they call it "TYPE-1", so there's a possiblity that there are other types of drones with different types of AMF that functions differently...

Off-topic: I get the feeling that recently a number of fans are losing their faith with this season, even though it's only the 3rd episode...

It does seem to be so, for the drones seem to be "refreshing" the AMF as they went along, and focused on dodging than tanking.

Yes it IS rather poisonous, the paranoia around here...

[LoweGear]

Seeing all this AMF discussion inclines me to repost this from the episode 3 discussion, about AMF and it's apparent contradictory effects:

After seeing the field in action, and then remembering A's to StrikerS, I think the AMF is a combination of a Passive Barrier and an Active Field.

-On AMF as an expanded field: Subaru was able to use Wing Road in pursuing the drones, but then Shario increased the power on the AMF, neutralizing Subaru's magic from a distance. This means that long range nullification has to be activated for it to work.

-On AMF as a shield: Teana's Variable Shot supposedly works by having multiple seperate layers of magic, and letting the outer magic layers ablate once they reach the barrier, allowing the surviving magic shots to penetrate. But this method would only work IF AMF was a shield that had a definite spherical circumference, and not an active field. VS was successful only because that active field was turned off, otherwise the shot would degrade layer by layer as it passed through the AMF until it reached the drones, where it would become harmless. Also, there seems to be no magic nullification inside the shield, otherwise Variable Shot would've been rendered completely useless by the first drone, but since it still had enough power to destroy the second drone, I'm assuming that the nullifying effect only extended outside the AMF shield (reminds me of Gundam's I-Field).

We have to keep in mind though that the drones in episode 3 may have been nerfed due to their nature as training programs, and their performance may differ from the actual combat drones.

[Chaos2Frozen]

^

Or as I've mentioned, there many be different AMF systems and that the Drones may not always use the same...

[LoweGear]

^ Me likes that theory as well... we may yet see more variations on Anti-Magic technology.

[Meophist]

Wikipedia's entry on Nanoha StrikerS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Girl_Lyrical_Nanoha_StrikerS) states that Caro is not proficient in attack magics. Does anybody know where this is stated?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Wikipedia's entry on Nanoha StrikerS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Girl_Lyrical_Nanoha_StrikerS) states that Caro is not proficient in attack magics. Does anybody know where this is stated?


Well, ignoring the fact that it's only one episode, she didn't use any 'damaging' spells...

... Kinda like Yuuno.

[selkirk]

Wikipedia's entry on Nanoha StrikerS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Girl_Lyrical_Nanoha_StrikerS) states that Caro is not proficient in attack magics. Does anybody know where this is stated?

http://www.nanoha.com/character/caro.html
Last line in the white section. More like below standard, not "not proficient"

[Meophist]

http://www.nanoha.com/character/caro.html
Last line in the white section. More like below standard, not "not proficient"
Thanks(that's way too much kanji for me to read).

[johnjefferson3]

as you know everyone thought eilo was going to die, while he pretty much was , but thankfully the people at headquaters(Chrono, probley saied i the only one who can save that little boy) heard of her (Nanoha)evil plan and ordered nanoha, fate and hayate power level down to AA for training so that they do not accendently destroy the planet since the TSAB paied so much money for that holographic projection platform where thay do all that training to begin with, so nanoha gets pissed and then decieds to take all 4 noobs at once, either none of then get hit for a full 5 minutes or anyone of them hits nanoha, and with the help of sweet carol, elio get to hits nanoha, which secretly pissed her more, but they passed this test, so all 3 girls get a super shower time together, but since elio is a boy but get a personal bath from fate again, so then nanoha creates new plan so for epsiode 5 she decides to kill 2 birds with one stone, since they need to learn how to fly, she just grab all 4 of them but them on a plane and then sholve them out the plane and then hopefually fall to there immentient death, so elio and now carol might die afterall, since nanoha wants fate all to herself, i just hope chrono can safe his sister's (fate)adopate kids again, but each epsiode get even more pumpeed up, were going on overdrive now!!!!!!!

[Kikaifan]

-On AMF as a shield: Teana's Variable Shot supposedly works by having multiple seperate layers of magic, and letting the outer magic layers ablate once they reach the barrier, allowing the surviving magic shots to penetrate.

Subs established that it's a barrier used to maintain magic inside the AMF, not an ablative shell, right?

[Outlaender]

In the strikers manga, when Nanoha does the info-dump on AMF for Rein II, she mentions that an AMF can be overpowered with a powerful enough magical attack,
but since AMF is apparently a rare thing to encounter, most mages would be initially at a loss to deal with the situation, and be defeated. It's not _impossible_ to use magic even inside the AMF, just _quite_ difficult to focus and control it. A recent translation of ep 3 reveals that the drones are in fact, quite low level in capability, in order to let the rookies get a feel for how to handle them. That was just the first session- they were training all day, and into the night. AMF's are a field, not a wall, so if you ascribe a kind of magical "inertia" and "momentum" to a combat spell shot, in the time the AMF disrupts the outer barrier, the inner strike gets through to the drone. The fact that the Variable (Fireball) Shot hesitated before striking through, can be attributed to a barrier placed outside of the AMF effect, as the drone AI recognizes the danger.

My opinion, and interpretation, of course. Your Mileage May Vary.

Oh, I don't know if this has gotten around- Hayate's ice attack has been translated as "Atem des Eises" (breath of ice) by a german group, not "Boden Eis" (ground frost/ice), and I would agree with the interpretation.

Alle Angaben ohne Gewär. ^_^

[Kikaifan]

In the manga the (translated) line is that it requires a lot of skill, not power, which fits with Tiana's subtle method and the statements about the difficulty of focusing magic.

And, well, I want it to be that way. I mean, if it can be beaten just by throwing a lot of power at it, how is it different from a strong barrier defense? Adds nothing if it's like that.

[iamandragon]

Just got this feeling a while ago---but all of a sudden I feel sorry for the bosses in StrikerS. Apart from the 4 new characters and a dragon, they also have to deal with Nanoha, Fate and Hayate + knights. And even if they managed to get out safely, they still have to deal with a whole battalion. And if they really are that powerful, there's still quite a number of Arc-en-Ciel mounted motherships waiting for them...
Comon---there has to be a limit in unfairness!

[Chaos2Frozen]

Just got this feeling a while ago---but all of a sudden I feel sorry for the bosses in StrikerS. Apart from the 4 new characters and a dragon, they also have to deal with Nanoha, Fate and Hayate + knights. And even if they managed to get out safely, they still have to deal with a whole battalion. And if they really are that powerful, there's still quite a number of Arc-en-Ciel mounted motherships waiting for them...
Comon---there has to be a limit in unfairness!

Well, unless the villians have a Black Hole generator, or a Super Nova bomb collecting dust in their basement...

[Deathkillz]

haha i got that feeling ages ago but figured that if they had the guts to pick on the ACEs then they should have been prepared to get raped :D (cant wait to see the chibi dragon biting on their ankles :D)

[Skane]

Isn't that why they're using Drones in the first place? :p Why risk life and limb when you can just manufacture robotic minions to do the dirty work for you? :heh:

Cheers.

[Nightengale]

Isn't that why they're using Drones in the first place? :p Why risk life and limb when you can just manufacture robotic minions to do the dirty work for you? :heh:

When the effectiveness and efficiency in the long run is questionable, it's pointless though. I don't think there are 4054635 Relics out there.

Right now, I can't get the fact that the drones aren't fire-proof out of my mind. :rolleyes:

[iamandragon]

It's all right even if it's fire-proof, as long as it's not nanoha-proof then the villains will be in for a beating...
The problem for TSAB right now is not dealing with the machines, but to somehow bring back one that's not reduced to dust so they can investigate futher...

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

kinda wondering but i wonder if that Griffith dude from episode 3...was he introduced somewhere in A's??
for some reason, Nanoha and Fate know this guy really well...and i was pretty clueless on why they knew him....i dont remember seeing him in A's.....

[Skane]

kinda wondering but i wonder if that Griffith dude from episode 3...was he introduced somewhere in A's??
for some reason, Nanoha and Fate know this guy really well...and i was pretty clueless on why they knew him....i dont remember seeing him in A's.....
He was first introduced in the "A's to StrikerS" manga. When they first met him, he was shorter than them; which is why they expressed surprise at his current height, four years later.

Cheers.

[Darco_emp]

kinda wondering but i wonder if that Griffith dude from episode 3...was he introduced somewhere in A's??
for some reason, Nanoha and Fate know this guy really well...and i was pretty clueless on why they knew him....i dont remember seeing him in A's.....

He was first introduced in chapter 1 of Phase A's to StrikerS. There should be links to it in the Manga section

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

He was first introduced in the "A's to StrikerS" manga. When they first met him, he was shorter than them; which is why they expressed surprise at his current height, four years later.

Cheers.

oh so he was introduced through the manga....cool cool, thanks Skane for the info...i was kinda surprised that they knew this guy and my head was spinning trying to think back in A's where they met him....ahhahahaha i think too much i guess:heh:

[Yukiko-chan]

In any case(Thinking yous are talking about the green hair guy) He's not important.Whats is whats gonna go on with FateXNanoha lol.You know what im talkin anout lol.And no im not a Lez(I think)But Yuri/Shoujo-ai is the shite lol.And I have a girlfreind lol hmmmm I wonder...Anyways......yeah thats all ihave to say.:heh: :heh:

[Nightengale]

In any case(Thinking yous are talking about the green hair guy) He's not important.Whats is whats gonna go on with FateXNanoha lol.You know what im talkin anout lol.And no im not a Lez(I think)But Yuri/Shoujo-ai is the shite lol.And I have a girlfreind lol hmmmm I wonder...Anyways......yeah thats all ihave to say.:heh: :heh:

Most likely the way it's traditionally done. Example being Getbackers.

Throw in 300000 homo-innuendos, with nothing substancial that solidifies the proof of their relationship and in-between those 300000, there's one or 2 hetero-innuendo that defies the greater power and prevents the masses to ever truly "win".

To put in simple terms, satisfy everyone and no one.

[Yukiko-chan]

hahahaha lol that was real funny(only because I didnt understand any of it)lol.but can you say that in english please (or at least dumb english if ya can)

I dont get it .Satisfy everyone and no one??
and whats that nanoha line thind at the bottom?? Juice pending?? ok ill think ill be takin the stairs this time..hehe..

[Chaos2Frozen]

@ Yukiko-chan

What Nightengale is basically trying to say is that the writers are "yanking our chains" and "rattling our cages".

They are tossing "suggestions" here and there to convince those nuts that the girls are "playing for the other team"...

...When really are just "sitting on the fence".

P.S - I consider it an Achievement if I manage to confuse you even more with these " " :D

P.P.S - Sorry, I'm the "evil influence" here btw...

[Aaron008R]

hahahaha lol that was real funny(only because I didnt understand any of it)lol.Im dumb my girls the smart one (I like smart girls lol)but can you say that in english please (or at least dumb english if ya can)

I dont get it .Satisfy everyone and no one??
and whats that nanoha line thind at the bottom?? Juice pending?? ok ill think ill be takin the stares this time..hehe..

I'll try to make it as simple as possible. Let's say there are a lot of fans of the pairing of say Nanoha and Fate. The producers, knowing this, gives the fans of the pairing some fanservice mainly thru the two girls' lovey-dovey antics in the earlier seasons. This, of course, gives the yuri fans reasons to go gaga over the pairing even more. HOWEVER, in truth, Nanoha and Fate are NOT in a romantic relationship. Therefore, the fans are satisfied (somehow), but they do not actually get what they want (Which is the NanohaXFate pairing).

Oh, and by the way, the heterolationship supporters are not put down because of official info. AND it is also a way of getting more fans=watchers.

Did my explanation work?

[Hiddenryuu]

Well, I read some interesting things about how people feel about StrikerS, personally, I'm really looking forward to StrikerS. In the 3 short eps there were things I liked and I didn't like so much.

Likes:

Grown up Nanoha , Fate! And Fate barrier jacket actually looks good, instead being loli-bait.

The pace is a little slow, but it's setting up is okay.

Some of the new character I'm really looking forward to.

Dislikes:

Hayate's rank and power, I always thought the lamest thing is the I got this so now I'm more powerful! That always bugged me ever since I read it in wiki. Having a Lost Logia as a weapon is reason to be powerful, but MORE powerful than Nanoha and Fate??? Come on...

That dragon pokemon thing, kinda looks a little silly IMHO.

The power levels. Power levels tend to ruin anime... there's already been too many reference to it and it's only 3 eps.

I hope Fate doesn't get overshadow by all this mess, she's my favorite character...that's a personal bias.


Now for some spoilerz stuff


One of the things I see going on is that the "Who's pairing up with who?? Well, from eps. 1-3 you see Nanoha and Fate share a bed 2 times. They're not doing a very good job in hiding they're intimacy are they ??? And Summon spells??? With square magic emblems? Worthy to keep an eye on eh?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Oh, and by the way, the heterolationship supporters are not put down because of official info. AND it is also a way of getting more fans=watchers.



What official info? :confused:

@Hiddenryuu

What's wrong with Hayate being stronger than Nanoha and Fate? :confused:


(BRB after 5 hours...)

[Nightengale]

and whats that nanoha line thind at the bottom?? Juice pending?? ok ill think ill be takin the stares this time..hehe..

What Chaos and Aaron said. Though Chaos's sound just as vague as mind lol.

As for that...well, let's just say I write fanfics as well, and even though I'm in a temporary vacation/retirement due to examinations and whatnot, it doesn't stop me from thinking up plotlines for fanfics.

That line is pretty much one line from a Nanoha-fanfic idea, where Yuuno literally uses up all his Linker Core and life energy to channel an SS+ rank suicide attack to defeat the l33t enemy who mind-wiped Nanoha. And his "death" triggered Nanoha's memory to return, even though the enemy survived the suicide bomb.

Of course, Yuuno doesn't really "die" in the end, but I love making my male characters in my fanfics suffer a whole lot before gaining his "happy" ending. As for the Shinn one... let's just say my love for Kira Yamato puts me in a situation where I often kills him in the most dramatic manner.

And while Hayate is stronger than Fate and Nanoha, frankly, I still think that Nanoha's the real shonen-bomb of the series. Hayate's strong, but half her strength came from "destiny" as she literally gets the best deal of Ancient Velka, which seems to be highly revered by TSAB, since apparently all 3 of the A.V user are pretty damn strong, and it's insinuated Hayate's the weakest of the 3. I'm fairly confident that Fate went through Precia's Hell Kitchen and some sick training to be as strong as she is at 9. Nanoha? She's trained by an somewhere A-ish rank SUPPORT mage pretty casually and in a short period of time either.

[Aaron008R]

What official info? :confused:

Oh that. *readies anti-flame armor against attacks by NxF fans* It's the official info that Nanoha and Fate are not really in a romantic relationship. All attempts of those who think otherwise aside, I'm logically positive that they won't be giving Nanoha a romantic interest anytime soon. Not Fate anyway. The producers are milking the two's popularity for all their worth. They keep the fanservice up to satisfy one side, while they don't really give something conclusive to avoid the alienation of those who have different views. It's all for profit, after all.

[murklins]

Oh that. *readies anti-flame armor against attacks by NxF fans* It's the official info that Nanoha and Fate are not really in a romantic relationship. All attempts of those who think otherwise aside, I'm logiacally positive that they won't be giving Nanoha a romantic interest anytime soon. Not Fate anyway. The producers are milking the two's popularity for all their worth. They keep the fanservice up to satisfy one side, while they don't really give something conclusive to avoid the alienation of those who have different views. It's all for profit, after all.
For all intents and purposes, fanservice = relationship. You're right that nothing is going to advance beyond fanservice level, but they ARE stringing us along carefully and deliberately. If you doubt that, just look at the character designs again. Moe~.

As for my earlier post about fanservice, I view fanservice as both sexual things and references to other shows. Basically, anything that doesn't have a purpose other than pleasing fans. Ecchi aside, it seems like they stepped up the mecha references, at least... the only one I know of from A's is Vita's Goldion Hammer while Subaru is tossing them out left and right in StrikerS. Maybe someone can correct me on that?

[Nightengale]

For all intents and purposes, fanservice = relationship. You're right that nothing is going to advance beyond fanservice level, but they ARE stringing us along carefully and deliberately. If you doubt that, just look at the character designs again. Moe~.

Righttttt.

You know, the same rule applies to yaoi-ish fanservice as well. Just like how they keep reaffirming the "we are one" thing in Getbackers for Ban and Ginji, the psuedo-husband-wifey relationship of Kazuki and Kakei, or how there's more emotional man-to-man do-ra-ma with Athrun/Kira than any other and how Freedom and Justice held hands with that "look". Munsu and Won Sul also had more "sparks" between them. Don't get me started on Prince of Tennis. But in the end, it doesn't bring about anything. Naturally, in the long history of anime, there had been VERY FEW who defied the natural way to deal with such "double-edged sword", but Nanoha doesn't even look like it wants to go out of the box.

You're right. It signifies relationship. It's also always the one that gets the most attention for the part of the fandom that matters. But just because there are heaps of it doesn't mean that the relationship is "evolving". Besides, Nanoha-verse keeps "insisting" on the "we're greatttt friends like a family" thing.

I'm not dismissing it's possibility. I don't know about others, but I myself is ready for the worst case non-hetero scenario. It's just that at this point, all it looks like is nothing more than a bunch of asthetic fanservice that shows their strong friendship. :P

[Chaos2Frozen]

Oh that. *readies anti-flame armor against attacks by NxF fans* It's the official info that Nanoha and Fate are not really in a romantic relationship. All attempts of those who think otherwise aside, I'm logiacally positive that they won't be giving Nanoha a romantic interest anytime soon. Not Fate anyway. The producers are milking the two's popularity for all their worth. They keep the fanservice up to satisfy one side, while they don't really give something conclusive to avoid the alienation of those who have different views. It's all for profit, after all.


*Cast Fire resistance buff*

Ahhh~ And for the moment I was worry...

@Nightengale

I did that on purpose :heh:

[murklins]

Aaron008R says no one is in an official relationship because it's all fanservice; I'm saying all relationships with fanservice are official to varying amounts. Simple as that, basic difference of opinion thing. I just phrased it poorly.

[Aaron008R]

Aaron008R says no one is in an official relationship because it's all fanservice; I'm saying all relationships with fanservice are official to varying amounts. Simple as that, basic difference of opinion thing. I just phrased it poorly.

:heh: Ah, no, no. I wasn't meaning that. I was saying that fanservice alone doesn't amount to a ROMANTIC relationship. It wasn't about official familial/friendly/etc. relationships. Maybe my phrasing didn't suit the message as well as I thought. Sorry.

[Hiddenryuu]

The problem I have Hayate being more powerful than both Nanoha and Fate is the way they present it.

It seem that the only reason that she is more powerful is cause she have a Lost Logia as a weapon. It just seems such a cheese way to present it. Look at me I have a HAX weapon! ....Meh... it's just seems cheap.


Then again Nanoha has been referred by "Ace of Aces" ... it's kinda confusing.

[Nightengale]

Then again Nanoha has been referred by "Ace of Aces" ... it's kinda confusing.

I think it's because Nanoha's out on the field more so than Fate or Hayate. I mean, even if the highest brass of TSAB ((where are they anyway? I don't think those old debriefing guys are judging by thier dressing. )) has a mage rank of SSS+ or whatever, I don't think he can be nicknamed as an Ace of Aces if he don't regularly become the frontline striker out in field missions, impressing others.

And Hayate has been quite open on her dreams of becoming a commander, which means that she probably had to mix in TSAB politics, paperwork, and actual field work in balance. Even the greatest of mages can't lead a unit if they don't prove themselves worthy of it.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Hayate is stronger because she HAS a strong weapon and can USE it properly.

She was able to control a Lost Logia, one of the most powerful objects, in no time at all.

It's a balance between power and skill, no point having an Ion cannon that you can't control....

[Aaron008R]

Hayate is stronger because she HAS a strong weapon and can USE it properly.

She was able to control a Lost Logia, one of the most powerful objects, in no time at all.

It's a balance between power and skill, no point having an Ion cannon that you can't control....

Aside from what was already mentioned, Hayate did not receive all those power just like that. She was put through a lot of suffering because of something beyond her control. And being able to actually fight against the defense program with willpower is quite an achievement. And its not like she has no skills. So from what I've seen so far, she deserves to have this much power in her hands. Besides, you don't really need to be the most powerful of the protagonists in order to be the main character. So no worries for Nanoha here. That's what I think at least.

[Yukiko-chan]

yay FateXNanoha forever

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

wow....alot of post,Abyways here's my 2cents,If you heard the Drama thingy Cd and read the doujinshi to it,(I think), Or it was manga (Im not sure lol) but witchever there's alot of parts where Fate wants to be Nanoha's wife,and wants to ummm........Freak her world(hehehe).

As in $!@^% her. So it makes you wonder that it could be a possible thing also in the striker'S manga as well she still wants her,and hates Suburu for getting near her and stuff,can you post links So I can post it here?:heh:

woah she really mentions that in the drama CDs???:twitch: :heh:

[Chaos2Frozen]

woah she really mentions that in the drama CDs???:twitch: :heh:

No.

...Okay to be fair, it was 'hinted' (And I said HINTED), to Fate wanted to... 'Express' her... 'Thoughts' to Nanoha about... 'Things'...

And the manga had nothing like that (I would like to believe so...) and doujinshi are... Well, doujinshi.

Basically, they're just yanking our chains.

[Skane]

The manga is actually very suggestive about Nanoha&Yuuno. :heh:

Cheers.

[Loner]

No.

...Okay to be fair, it was 'hinted' (And I said HINTED), to Fate wanted to... 'Express' her... 'Thoughts' to Nanoha about... 'Things'...

I've noted this since the first series. The producers of the Nanoha franchise seem to have put much effort into adding innuendo that appeals to as many different "special interest" groups as possible. Increasing the potential fan base, don't'cha know.

You want yuri? Well, here's all these hints of feelings between Fate and Nanoha; JUST hints, so the non-yuri crowd won't be turned off. You like hetero? Well, here's Nanoha giving Yuuno a "smoky look" just before they blow up the power room of the Garden of Time. etc., etc.

[Aaron008R]

No.

...Okay to be fair, it was 'hinted' (And I said HINTED), to Fate wanted to... 'Express' her... 'Thoughts' to Nanoha about... 'Things'...

I guess being a major introvert doesn't help.:heh: I guess that should be enough for now... I'm being mean.:heh:

The manga is actually very suggestive about Nanoha&Yuuno. :heh:

Cheers.

*nods* Nanoha wanted Yuuno to come along with the all-girl trip to the hot springs.:D

Come with us Yuuno~kun! Hehehe...

I've noted this since the first series. The producers of the Nanoha franchise seem to have put much effort into adding innuendo that appeals to as many different "special interest" groups as possible. Increasing the potential fan base, don't'cha know.

You want yuri? Well, here's all these hints of feelings between Fate and Nanoha; JUST hints, so the non-yuri crowd won't be turned off. You like hetero? Well, here's Nanoha giving Yuuno a "smoky look" just before they blow up the power room of the Garden of Time. etc., etc.

FINALLY! Someone who phrased it in the most easy to understand way. This is what I (and some others) have been trying to tell in my (our) recent posts. Nice one Loner!:D

[Chaos2Frozen]

I've noted this since the first series. The producers of the Nanoha franchise seem to have put much effort into adding innuendo that appeals to as many different "special interest" groups as possible. Increasing the potential fan base, don't'cha know.


Yeah, I can't remember who I heard it first from though... It was a long time ago...


...You like hetero? Well, here's Nanoha giving Yuuno a "smoky look" just before they blow up the power room of the Garden of Time. etc., etc.

Yeah :), I remember that...

Too bad she chose different words than I expect :heh:...

[Yukiko-chan]

hey!! well I was talking about the drama Cd thats where you can really tell fate wants Nanoha

here it is my freinds look it up and you'll see what im talking about.So cute.:heh:

http://www.acatisfinetoo.com/edible/nanoha/index.html

Oh yeah and this one I love two its somewhere in there
http://www.acatisfinetoo.com/edible/nanoha/as_nano33.jpg

[Chaos2Frozen]

Ahem... Those 4Koma over-exaggerate stuff :heh: ...

I mean, there's no way Chrono REALLY did all those stuff with Aria and Lotte...

...
...
...

... Right?


(Damn, I hate it when people bring up info from the Drama CD... Curse this language barrier!!!)

[Yukiko-chan]

umm the link thingy was deleted with an error and stuff so I thought maybe I should take it out to eat or something see ya's.

[Chaos2Frozen]

huh??:confused: .....well in any case you's should check those out and see what im talking about lol.:heh: not all of them show them but some do.

Yes, I practically memorised all of them months ago... :heh:

What I meant was that the jokes in those comics were blown out of proportion... From what little I've heard about the Drama CD, things were more... Subtle.

(OMG... I've discussing yuri! I'm unclean!! UNCLEAN!!!! *Shaking uncontrollably in a corner* )

[Yukiko-chan]

whats so unclean about it.:confused: :confused: ../. Ive never actually watched any others lol unless they where said to have like a relationship thingy going on,but kinda did and not lol.:heh: :heh: oh and anyways your a guy??Some guys watch it two (kinda girly sometimes series though lol).

[Chaos2Frozen]

- It's a joke, don't take me too serious sometimes... :heh:

- It's my preference.

- Actually, my Avatar and Signature have a girl and a guy...

- Don't worry, I sure one of them is an XX ...

[Skane]

The 4Komas are exaggerated instances from the Drama CDs. To see the translated actual content from the Drama CDs, please refer the "Music Discussion Thread".

Ergo.

4Koma -> Fan Fantasy
Translated Drama CD -> Actual official stance

Don't go and start mixing canon and fandom now. ;)

Cheers.

[Yukiko-chan]

Sssshhhhhh! there a couple thats all I have to say,:D Im reading this guy who made two really good fanfics(Making more) and I prefer to read the fanfic than watch the anime.Since the fanfic FateXJust admmited to Nanoha how much she loved her and Nanoha said she always has loved her two.ect.ect.:D :D

Plus the fanfic is from a really good writer and he details everything perfect,and does everything write so I rather just read his work than watch the anime if there not a couple...Matter of a fact I rather pay him then those creators lol who always tease and all:frustrated: .Lero,Lero,Lero:heh:

Lero,lero,lero:heh: oh and the fanfics continue like making his own version. Yah

[Skane]

Well, I am going to be a wet blanket here, but I think it is delusional to believe too much in fanfics. :heh: They are, after all, derivatives of the original source material. If the writer is that good, he/she should consider making his own stories instead of borrowing elements from others (unless of course, he/she is just making a satire out of the material ;)).

As I already stated above, fanmade material represents the fantasies of the fans. :heh: Trying to impose a fan's fantasy onto the canon material is just entering the realm of denial.

Cheers.

[Yukiko-chan]

jerks lol. NXF forever

[Skane]

OMG would you just shut up there work is so much better always than the actual thing.So I dont know why your trying to undermine them(Discredit) when they work hard on it you jerk. Its no part of denial its the characters (people want) to see.Doing the things they want to do,or the story unfolding in a way better way than the actual one people thought sucked.So Shhh dont hate on them,there so much better always than the originals.

Sorry but the way you said that really just pissed me off.hmmpphh Honestly.......
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as are you. I am just stating my stance on the issue. I do think however, that it is a little pretentious (and premature) to claim that their "version" is better than the original, when the original is not over yet and still in progress.

Again, wouldn't it be better to utilise their talents to create their own story, instead of borrowing wholesale from others? Unless of course, their fanfic(s) is meant to be taken as satire (and not as an alternative "Holy Gospel"). ;)

Cheers.

[Yukiko-chan]

NXF hehehe forever

[Skane]

No it wouldnt be better if they did there own because they characters personalities are made up in the storie's that the anime brings.Thus when they make a fanfic they keep the personalities everyone loves and changes the story into one people who requested it or most people love.

and also I didnt specifaclly mean this series I meant others that are done as well,that had the worst,sad ending ever,they make the fics so that in some way ,that actually wasnt the ending,instead a continued version for some.

Note this is not Yukiko speeking this is her girlfreind.Truthfully(She's not that smart lol)

So they make it for us the people who would prefer it go the other way and since we tell them how we want it......well we get what we want simple,thus making us happy,and liking it better than the original because the story is actually written in the way we want it.

(and know we dont know everything thats gonna happen cause there's always alof of twist and all and I also think that there much better baaaahh!:p :p
Well, as I said, fanfics cater to the fans' fantasises (or if one wants to be cynical, panders to their wants).

I can live with that.

It gets weird (and downright disruptive at times) however, when one is trying to discuss the canon material and a fan interjects the discussion with non-canon material (and expects us to take it seriously). I think that is a problem.

Fanfic discussion should remain in the realm of fanfic discussion. You won't see me going to fanfic threads and try to impose canon-logic onto the fanfic. That would be rather silly of me.

So likewise, people who try to impose fanfic-logic onto a canonical discussion is uncalled for. That is all I am trying to say. To quote myself from the first post I made on the issue,
Don't go and start mixing canon and fandom now.
Cheers.

[CrazyPerson]

I'm gonna make a quick comment on how you actually could impose some canon-logic into the fanfic thread since the fanfic is a derivative of the original material and so would be governed my said logic to an extend. But then there are also works that phrase things into a way that the logic couldn't apply. But the last word is that fanfic logic shouldn't really shouldn't be in canon discussions (because the canon world is made by the author, if he didn't write it/allow it, it would skew his work. You wouldn't like it if someone screwed up/added stuff to your story without asking, would you?), while canon logic can SOMETIMES be applied to fanfic.

[Kha]

I noe its 3am over here, but I gotta say something after seeing all this...

Most likely the way it's traditionally done. Example being Getbackers.

Throw in 300000 homo-innuendos, with nothing substancial that solidifies the proof of their relationship and in-between those 300000, there's one or 2 hetero-innuendo that defies the greater power and prevents the masses to ever truly "win".

To put in simple terms, satisfy everyone and no one.

Yes and to be honest I haven't been more annoyed in my life. I think I usually subconsciously pick my anime such that I don't end in a Kamui-type grey area (that was until they cleared it up) but somehow this is just too hard to resist. After all Nanoha has been a multifactoral series, and its a logical extension (though the first time I've seen one) that they are doing that for the relationship tree as well. Which creates nightmares for fanfic authors who are hell-bent on making sure their works are in-canon as far as position, like myself. :eyespin:

P.P.S - Sorry, I'm the "evil influence" here btw...

I'm afraid I have to admit I'm a loyal student of the Sith Lord here. I'm sooo glad you're on the Yuunoha side. Makes being the 300 a hell lot more fun. :D

Oh that. *readies anti-flame armor against attacks by NxF fans* It's the official info that Nanoha and Fate are not really in a romantic relationship. All attempts of those who think otherwise aside, I'm logically positive that they won't be giving Nanoha a romantic interest anytime soon. Not Fate anyway. The producers are milking the two's popularity for all their worth. They keep the fanservice up to satisfy one side, while they don't really give something conclusive to avoid the alienation of those who have different views. It's all for profit, after all.

amen *casts Aura des Feuers Resistence (Aura of Fire Resistence) for all Yuunoha allies*

I hope that, if they ever develop ErioxCaro, they don't pull a Yuuno disappearance again. Like I said before, it's really maddening.

I think the topic of fanfics has appeared rather often in this thread and would like to add this caveat about those authors who think they are so good that they should just make up their own stories:

personally I wouldn't be a major fanfiction author if I could draw. Yet at the same time, I've this irrepressible urge to share my vision/fantasy with the rest of the world. So since I noe I'll never get my ideas sold through the pictoral dept, I channel it all into writing instead.

There exists a breed of fanfiction authors who truely, purely, innocently, wants to tell a good story and know that they are heard, that's why they use a greater established universe as the background to the tales they weave in order to entertain and enrich the lives of fellow fans everywhere.

PS On second thought, the above turned out pretty moe. lol

[BPHaru]

Except for Kurono and Ami, there are nothing like hetero in Nanoha, even in the last season Yuuno is almost invisible.

In other news, no one loves Yuuno.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q314/BPHaru/1177438195051.jpg

-Haru

[Deathkillz]

^ thats old news...tho it would be nice if someone translated it :3

[raidou]

I thought someone did , at least what he is shouting about in image thread ^^ (very vulgar btw)

Woah at Yukiko-chan , no offense but you seem to be confusing yourself with Original/canon story and fanfics.Plus i see nothing offensive in any of Skane reply >.<
You can think/believe whatever you want just dont post in the wrong forum :D ....could make a great fanfic from all those idea btw :p

Btw anyone know what exactly shario said in the last line here ,cant understand some of the character.
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/8517/strikersnano18oy9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Except for Kurono and Ami, there are nothing like hetero in Nanoha, even in the last season Yuuno is almost invisible.

Lies!!! :p at least dont forget Kyoya and Shinobu.Gezzz why do Yuuno has to be based on girl character :( he became total loser now

[Meophist]

The problem I have Hayate being more powerful than both Nanoha and Fate is the way they present it.

It seem that the only reason that she is more powerful is cause she have a Lost Logia as a weapon. It just seems such a cheese way to present it. Look at me I have a HAX weapon! ....Meh... it's just seems cheap.I thought I'd just clear up that Hayate no longer has a Lost Logia. She's simply that powerful. She's also capable of using three, and by extension four, devices at the same time.

[Yukiko-chan]

Im deleting this cause I kinda regret what I said sorry you guys

[raidou]

@meophist
I know Rein II is different from lost logia like YnS but is this mention anywhere in manga/starter book or anything? i just want to check, been thinking whether TSAB still categorize Rein II as lost logia or just normal unison device.

[Chaos2Frozen]

@Yukiko-chan


Sigh, I would comment on how horribly bias you are against anything other than what you believe in, but than I just realized you might not be able to understand a good portion of it...

1- I refuse to admit Yuuno is as useless as some people think.

Yuuno doesn't do much fighting, he's not as interesting as the other main character, I agree. But not once as a person will I accept that he's useless because of those.

2- I'll come out clean now that I'm given this chance. I don't like yuri because I find it unsatisfying. I see no reason why we can't hope for a hetero pairing in anime.

There isn't a rule about it. Beside, I could say the same back at you, whats so attractive about Yuri?

3- You should take a breather or two, nobody's angry at you yet, but you should really chill before things get ugly...

[raidou]

Not everything in anime is about pairing anyway ...see no point arguing and getting heated about this ^^

Yuuno doesn't do much fighting, he's not as interesting as the other main character, I agree. But not once as a person will I accept that he's useless because of those.

He could be interesting if only they try to develop some story on him T_T (i still bet this is because he is based on girl :heh: )

More fics chaos !!! go go go ..need to relieve exam stress

[Meophist]

@meophist
I know Rein II is different from lost logia like YnS but is this mention anywhere in manga/starter book or anything? i just want to check, been thinking whether TSAB still categorize Rein II as lost logia or just normal unison device.First of all, Hayate specifically mentions that Reinforce Zwei was "born" 8 years before StrikerS, which is still 2 years after A's. Rein is a "normal" unison device(quoting "normal" because unison devices are far from normal). Also, Triad translated the StrikerS webpage, which states that the new Tome of the Night Sky is an entirely different device than the Lost Logia of the same name(http://www.nanoha.the-triad.org/characters/hayate.html).

[raidou]

okie thanks :D

[Chaos2Frozen]

So it's not a Lost Logia... But does it still have the same potential?

[raidou]

I guess it would have the same function and potential but it depend a lot on the user (hayate) ability to control it maybe(require lots training/energy).The only difference should only be the danger/threat it possess.

[Meophist]

So it's not a Lost Logia... But does it still have the same potential?I don't think so. It's probably a pretty much entirely new device for all intents and purposes. Not sure if Hayate wants a device that requires the acquisition of Linker Cores to be effective.

[Deathkillz]

1- I refuse to admit Yuuno is as useless as some people think.

Yuuno doesn't do much fighting, he's not as interesting as the other main character, I agree. But not once as a person will I accept that he's useless because of those.

he may not be useless but the writers certainly make him that way...in S1 all he did was binds...in S2 he did less binds...and in S3 hes nowhere to be seen :twitch: im just getting a feeling here that he will forever remain a side character in the shadows tho it shouldnt have ended up that way...how ever the writers allowed it to happen was kinda mean on him...like he wasnt even given a chance to shine *sigh* lets hope in strikerS he gets a chance to do something useful...how bout being a mean shield? :D

[Chaos2Frozen]

he may not be useless but the writers certainly make him that way...in S1 all he did was binds...in S2 he did less binds...and in S3 hes nowhere to be seen :twitch: im just getting a feeling here that he will forever remain a side character in the shadows tho it shouldnt have ended up that way...how ever the writers allowed it to happen was kinda mean on him...like he wasnt even given a chance to shine *sigh* lets hope in strikerS he gets a chance to do something useful...how bout being a mean shield? :D


That stunt always get the ladies...

And if any of you read finish the fic "Path of Vengence" from FF.net, you'll see that it'll work for him as well! :)

(Yes, fics are not canon... But then again, neither are theories :p)

[Skane]

Yuuno did more than Binds in A's. :p His abilities lies in support magic. Remember, he set up that Barrier that simultaneously healed and protected Nanoha in Ep02. It was only because Nanoha stepped out of the Barrier that she got chest-busted by Shamal.

Then there was his fight with Vita. Mind you... he was fighting her without a Device of any sort, and he still managed to hold his own. In fact, this is one of Yuuno's strengths. He doesn't depend on a Device to cast his spells.

Arf draws upon Fate's Linker Core to do her magic, so she doesn't count; and Zafira is a program borne of Ancient Belka. So it says something about Yuuno's talent.

People always seem to overlook this more unique aspect of Yuuno.

After that though... well, they kinda shoved him into the library. :p The point stands though, that Yuuno is far from useless in terms of capabilities; if only the producers learn to use him.

Cheers.

[Shinji103]

Yuuno did more than Binds in A's. :p His abilities lies in support magic. Remember, he set up that Barrier that simultaneously healed and protected Nanoha in Ep02. It was only because Nanoha stepped out of the Barrier that she got chest-busted by Shamal.

Then there was his fight with Vita. Mind you... he was fighting her without a Device of any sort, and he still managed to hold his own. In fact, this is one of Yuuno's strengths. He doesn't depend on a Device to cast his spells.

Arf draws upon Fate's Linker Core to do her magic, so she doesn't count; and Zafira is a program borne of Ancient Belka. So it says something about Yuuno's talent.

People always seem to overlook this more unique aspect of Yuuno.

After that though... well, they kinda shoved him into the library. :p The point stands though, that Yuuno is far from useless in terms of capabilities; if only the producers learn to use him.

Cheers.So very well said. :)

[Nightengale]

People always want to overlook this more unique aspect of Yuuno so that they can say he's more interesting as a ferret than boy.

No offence to the ones who actually think he is, but I think this is a better term.

Besides, with recent revelations on the recruit's talent, it further goes to show that Yuuno is much more talented than he looks, and he didn't even go through any official mage training, being raised by a tribal community. Sure, he's no AAA, but the his capabilities with support magic and flight skills show that he's at bare least A or even A+ at 9 years old. I don't even want to talk about his untouched heritage, which is a gold mine of plot and character development, which has more exploitation value than say...Nanoha.

The staff of Nanoha are pretty much just bored of Yuuno from what it feels like.

[Kha]

No offence to the ones who actually think he is, but I think this is a better term.

Besides, with recent revelations on the recruit's talent, it further goes to show that Yuuno is much more talented than he looks, and he didn't even go through any official mage training, being raised by a tribal community. Sure, he's no AAA, but the his capabilities with support magic and flight skills show that he's at bare least A or even A+ at 9 years old. I don't even want to talk about his untouched heritage, which is a gold mine of plot and character development, which has more exploitation value than say...Nanoha.

The staff of Nanoha are pretty much just bored of Yuuno from what it feels like.

They always discriminate against the Librarian. I speak from life experience. :heh: Well on a more serious note, its probably because of their "hanging in the air thus keeping everyone glued to their screens" policy that the Nanoha series turned out with the way it is. But if A's is of any measure, I'm sure there's some room for backstory relating to S1 and S2, like that Fate-in-dreamland arc of A's.

Yuuno's just the da bomb for fics, but if you run through FFnet it seems just a fantasmal extension of the NxF innuedos of the animation. I remember I can count Hayate fics with one hand (Path of Vengeance ranks up there), Yuunoha with both , a smattering of weird pairings (Siblings not related by blood moe anyone?), the occasional satire (USB500's Lyrical Beauty and Chaos' Paranoia of Chrono are the only ones and they rule) and everything else being cruelly oppressed by the yuri Legion. :uhoh: We seriously need an injection of idea diversity IMO. Serious about "Mahou Shounen Avenger Yuuno"? :D

[Yukiko-chan]

lol we all have our own opinions kay ,I have nothing against you really just the fanfic thing you said got me a little mad I admit lol. And I didnt say you cant have a normal couple I just said why arnt you open to anything else lol.

I guess I got mad at the way you talked about fanfics and disrespected them and stuff...lol I would say more but im weally twired wight now and got to rest my pwoor wittle head...bye,bye.

[Chaos2Frozen]

They always discriminate against the Librarian. I speak from life experience. :heh: Well on a more serious note, its probably because of their "hanging in the air thus keeping everyone glued to their screens" policy that the Nanoha series turned out with the way it is. But if A's is of any measure, I'm sure there's some room for backstory relating to S1 and S2, like that Fate-in-dreamland arc of A's.


Perhaps Al Hazard does still exist :p (I'm not saying it should be about Fate though :heh:)


Yuuno's just the da bomb for fics, but if you run through FFnet it seems just a fantasmal extension of the NxF innuedos of the animation. I remember I can count Hayate fics with one hand (Path of Vengeance ranks up there), Yuunoha with both , a smattering of weird pairings (Siblings not related by blood moe anyone?), the occasional satire (USB500's Lyrical Beauty and Chaos' Paranoia of Chrono are the only ones and they rule) and everything else being cruelly oppressed by the yuri Legion. :uhoh: We seriously need an injection of idea diversity IMO. Serious about "Mahou Shounen Avenger Yuuno"? :D


I've tried to throw in my share of YxN on Valentine's day (But ended up doing it late :heh:)

Also, what little YxN fic there are out there are... Well, the characters feel alot different then the impression they give during the anime :heh:

And to cover my ass from flames... I meant no offence of course. It's just something I feel... I know it's alittle too easy to get carried away...

(btw Kha? I sort of made a YxN 'sequel' to my first fic, did you by any chance read it?)

[Kha]

lol we all have our own opinions kay ,I have nothing against you really just the fanfic thing you said got me a little mad I admit lol. And I didnt say you cant have a normal couple I just said why arnt you open to anything else lol.

I guess I got mad at the way you talked about fanfics and disrespected them and stuff...lol I would say more but im weally twired wight now and got to rest my pwoor wittle head...bye,bye.

On the account of the parting moe I forgive you. :heh: Actually no it was my fault for being a little tactless, cos I got a little "uexo" by the earlier remark too, so came out in defence, Kreuz up, guns blazing, and ended up with a lttle overkill a la Vita. Gome. :P

@Chaos: Yes I read "Back Scratching" first before reading Paranoia, but its only now that I realized that it was a sequel. ^^

Now where were we? Something about ol Yuuno...

[Aaron008R]

Ok.
As I see it, there shouldn't be any worries about Yuuno not appearing as an important character in StrikerS. Though I somehow agree that the producers may have become bored with fleshing out his character, they would at least give him an appearance and some lines (and maybe a chance to take it to the field) in this series. I don't they'll waste the building up they were giving him with Nanoha in the A's epilogue and manga. I'm not completely confident that he'll get Nanoha in the end. (Ok. Please, don't reply with "Of course not!, (insert name) will get her!" Just a simple request.) He would at least have some sweet time with Nanoha. He's the reason why Nanoha is a mage in the first place after all. I'm still expecting a few more questions from some other characters asking Nanoha/Yuuno on how's their relationship going along. I'm pretty sure it's still the innocent,"Were getting along great!" from Nanoha and the, "Were good friends." from Yuuno. (Hope those replies change as the series progresses). I'm not saying there would be a closure on the status on the relation (the producers have a diverse fanbase to attend to after all), just for some more innuendos. What I would really like however, is an unsuccessful (dissappointingly likely) but hilarious Ace-of-Aces-and-Ferret-boy matchmaker episode courtesy of Hayate and Riot Force 6. (I know it's old, but I can't help it!:heh: )

Whew...

[Kazu-kun]

C'mon! You said it yourself, "the producers have a diverse fanbase to attend to after all". An "Ace-of-Aces-and-Ferret-boy matchmaker" episode would freak out the NXF side of the audience. Let's face it, that will never happen.

[Aaron008R]

C'mon! You said it yourself, "the producers have a diverse fanbase to attend to after all". An "Ace-of-Aces-and-Ferret-boy matchmaker" episode would freak out the NXF side of the audience. Let's face it, that will never happen.

:heh: :heh: :heh: You're right. But it doesn't have to succeed, does it? I don't find it impossible that the NxF fans would celebrate when they see the failed operation and go, "You see this, isn't going anywhere!" Besides, I find that kind of scenario rather light. Just as I said, it won't succeed anyway.
Ahh well, it won't hurt to hope for a bit. I'm mostly after the hilarity after all. (A ChronoX3Aces scenario would actually be more entertaining, but he's already married:heh: )
Sorry if I'm starting to annoy some people.:heh: I'll try to be more considerate later. I'm not really too particular about pairings, to be honest. Just speaking out what I see in my point of view.

[dkellis]

I've been wanting to write my own MSLNanoha fanfics, and Yuuno just has so much potential. I agree that he's one of the more interesting and yet neglected characters in the series. (Chrono is another.)

Sadly, I'll probably never actually write a fanfic, because I don't have enough canon knowledge. Yes, I can watch and rewatch the shows, but all the extras in magazines and manga and the website and such I do not know. So when I try to explain just how, say, Yuuno's healing barrier thing works, I don't know if it's already explained in some random extra I've never seen.

In any case, I really doubt the NxF contingent will prevent the producers from creating a NxY scenario, or that a NxY canon will even slow down the NxF pairings from fans. (I speak from being a CCS fan.)

[Chaos2Frozen]

Sorry I'm late with the cavalry, Aaron008R :heh: ...

C'mon! You said it yourself, "the producers have a diverse fanbase to attend to after all". An "Ace-of-Aces-and-Ferret-boy matchmaker" episode would freak out the NXF side of the audience. Let's face it, that will never happen.

The phrase "...Diverse fanbase to attend to..." does not mean that the writers FAVOR any particular fanbase.

It means that writers would spread out the services to all sides, whether the fanbase themselves like it or not...

Which means if they want to put a NxY moment/episode/scene, it doesn't matter what the unsound hetero-phobic Yuri-fans Legion thinks.

EDIT(1):

I've been wanting to write my own MSLNanoha fanfics, and Yuuno just has so much potential. I agree that he's one of the more interesting and yet neglected characters in the series. (Chrono is another.)

Yeah, I'm working on them... :heh:

The problem, from my point of view, is that the writers overly favors their main characters, most/every buff, story-wise or other, in the story usually/always goes to them.

EDIT(2):


Ahh well, it won't hurt to hope for a bit. I'm mostly after the hilarity after all. (A ChronoX3Aces scenario would actually be more entertaining, but he's already married:heh: )


As the Voice Actresses themselves described, "Chrono-kun is like a 'migratory bird'! :p "

Basically, he moves from one girl to another :heh:

[Aaron008R]

Thanks for the backup, Chaos2Frozen!:D
Heh. Guess I need to be more adamant about my opinions.:heh:
In any case, I was trying to be considerate to quite a lot of people here. So I decided not to be too harsh when giving them 'Canon Cannon' treatment. In any case, maybe I should be more engaged in this discussion. It is a forum, after all.

*deep breath*

Well, I may be not too picky with pairings, but I honestly like the NxY anyhow. To the 300 around here, do you mind if I make it 301?

[CrazyPerson]

I was actually very disappointed that Chrono is stuck with Amy. I thought he was a cool enough character that he should stayed single but flirted with all the girls. The migratory bird thing would have been awesome in StrikerS, but instead, he's stuck with a ball n' chain. Man, what happened? He should be manifesting the EroChrosuke skills from the doujins and fics and channeling Tomokazu Sugita charm and witt from his VA's other roles.

I blame Amy. Grrr....

[Chaos2Frozen]

Thanks for the backup, Chaos2Frozen!:D
Heh. Guess I need to be more adamant about my opinions.:heh:
In any case, I was trying to be considerate to quite a lot of people here. So I decided not to be too harsh when giving them 'Canon Cannon' treatment. In any case, maybe I should be more engaged in this discussion. It is a forum, after all.


To be honest, Kazu-kun's post was more of a case of miscommunication :heh:, so don't take it too hard... Also, it's always best to becareful what you say of course :)



I was actually very disappointed that Chrono is stuck with Amy. I thought he was a cool enough character that he should stayed single but flirted with all the girls. The migratory bird thing would have been awesome in StrikerS, but instead, he's stuck with a ball n' chain. Man, what happened? He should be manifesting the EroChrosuke skills from the doujins and fics and channeling Tomokazu Sugita charm and witt from his VA's other roles.


I feel ya pain... I honestly do... :(

I was so looking forward to Sugita's performance back then...

...Though I have a hunch that it's Lindy pulling the strings...

[Kha]

I've been wanting to write my own MSLNanoha fanfics, and Yuuno just has so much potential. I agree that he's one of the more interesting and yet neglected characters in the series. (Chrono is another.)

Sadly, I'll probably never actually write a fanfic, because I don't have enough canon knowledge. Yes, I can watch and rewatch the shows, but all the extras in magazines and manga and the website and such I do not know. So when I try to explain just how, say, Yuuno's healing barrier thing works, I don't know if it's already explained in some random extra I've never seen.

In any case, I really doubt the NxF contingent will prevent the producers from creating a NxY scenario, or that a NxY canon will even slow down the NxF pairings from fans. (I speak from being a CCS fan.)

Yeah "fanfic-frustrating" the phrase of the day. I'm running into that too, and bec of that I'm holding back my full force and going with instead the whimsical dimensional-hopping-therefore-crossover-crazy "Nanoha Files" series with enuff innuedos for both sides of the 1st Animesuki Sexual War. That's how I cope. :P

Thanks for the backup, Chaos2Frozen!:D
Heh. Guess I need to be more adamant about my opinions.:heh:
In any case, I was trying to be considerate to quite a lot of people here. So I decided not to be too harsh when giving them 'Canon Cannon' treatment. In any case, maybe I should be more engaged in this discussion. It is a forum, after all.

*deep breath*

Well, I may be not too picky with pairings, but I honestly like the NxY anyhow. To the 300 around here, do you mind if I make it 301?

Feel free to join anytime! Not matter how many we are, we always feel like 300. :heh:

I was actually very disappointed that Chrono is stuck with Amy. I thought he was a cool enough character that he should stayed single but flirted with all the girls. The migratory bird thing would have been awesome in StrikerS, but instead, he's stuck with a ball n' chain. Man, what happened? He should be manifesting the EroChrosuke skills from the doujins and fics and channeling Tomokazu Sugita charm and witt from his VA's other roles.

I blame Amy. Grrr....

Lindy's a definite heavyweight in that issue. And Amy's 100 ton hammer really works wonders. *see Fyu no Sora's avatar*

[Nightengale]

No matter how many we are, we always feel like 300. :heh:

So true. :P

Lindy's a definite heavyweight in that issue. And Amy's 100 ton hammer really works wonders. *see Fyu no Sora's avatar*

That being said, I hope that the "can't be helped" by Chrono regarding their union would be explained somehow. It almost sounds like the 4th base wasn't exactly done on a normal "mutual" basis and had some politic-king. Doesn't help that their engagement seemed a little "secretive" at first... I have little doubt that Amy and Chrono's engagement and marriage had some manuevering from one "greater power", but I still think they're not being very clear on what took place. Of course, I'm not expecting a transcript of what happened in it's entirety, but I think that deserves some explanation.

Almost feels like one drama show I watched where the guy had to take "responsibility" for something that never happened between him and his childhood friend, and it was orchestrated by his mother no less.

I think we need a romance thread...or maybe not. :uhoh:

And yeah, I'm serious about Mahou Shonen Avenger Yuuno, though that's actually lower on my priority list and there's still some issues to work on with that.

[Thisguy]

As for Yuuno's being useless ferret, I had to wonder how far you've been into "canonical info"?
He's now the fuckin Lead Librarian of the infinity library (source: SSM), that makes him not a bookworm... but The bookworm, of whole TSAB.
Some thought Hayate was the fastest in crimbing up their career ladder, but it's actually him; Hayate or even Chrono's got many more rank to go, and he has nothing above, and at the age of 19.
Think of the head of US national library and it's him, or probably more, as whole TSAB has the issues relates to Logias and considering where the most reliable source of information would be.

What he lacks is... well, screen time. :heh:


Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of 300, but neither do I belong to the Legion.
As long as characters get their most shiny time, I'm good to go, be it serious or comical doesn't matter.
I simply couldn't resist that someone's thinking Yuuno's useless, simply because he doesn't show up a lot in the show. :heh:

[Kha]

As for Yuuno's being useless ferret, I had to wonder how far you've been into "canonical info"?
He's now the fuckin Lead Librarian of the infinity library (source: SSM), that makes him not a bookworm... but The bookworm, of whole TSAB.
Some thought Hayate was the fastest in crimbing up their career ladder, but it's actually him; Hayate or even Chrono's got many more rank to go, and he has nothing above, and at the age of 19.
Think of the head of US national library and it's him, or probably more, as whole TSAB has the issues relates to Logias and considering where the most reliable source of information would be.

What he lacks is... well, screen time. :heh:


Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of 300, but neither do I belong to the Legion.
As long as characters get their most shiny time, I'm good to go, be it serious or comical doesn't matter.
I simply couldn't resist that someone's thinking Yuuno's useless, simply because he doesn't show up a lot in the show. :heh:

*Salutes this form of neutrality*

Well said!