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monir

2007-04-02, 13:00

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Genre: Fighting girls that used to be lolis

Production Company: Seven Arcs (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/company.php?id=4493)

Aired: April 1, 2007

Opening Theme: "SECRET AMBITION" by Nana Mizuki

Ending Theme: "Hoshizora no Spica" by Yukari Tamura

Website: http://nanoha.com/

Story: Set 10 years after Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha A`s, Nanoha, Fate, Hayate and the rest of the crew are now working full time in the Time-Space Administration Bureau. Nanoha is a combat instructor, Fate is a special Investigator, and Hayate is a commanding officer. They must unite once again to save the dimensions.

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Kikaifan

2007-04-02, 13:22

So I was going over the Omni's new season guide and I noticed that the ladies in Polyphonica look a lot like Vita and Signum. Maybe it's just the red/pink short/tall + western fantasy-ish clothing and I'm just inclined to see Nanoha everywhere (it is a pretty small picture) but it was enough that I had the thought.

But doubts aside it gives the impression that Nanoha's finally reached the level where it gets its designs ripped-off. Well, I suppose that's a bit strong... the level at which it has an influence? Anyone else seen chords of it anywhere?

Lost

2007-04-02, 14:04

Genre: Fighting girls that used to be lolis
:eyebrow:

At least make that "Magical Girls Women," please. :heh:

Skybit

2007-04-02, 14:10

So happy That Nanoha StrikerS Has Make It Appearance ^_^
Well....I Cann Wait To Watch lo haha

Mikewolf

2007-04-02, 14:37

Here's a little prezzy for you (if you can't wait for HQ), I't's the LQ FANSUB!!!
http://yesy-fansubs.net/category/magical-girl-lyrical-nanoha-strikers/
Scroll down, click the bittorrent link and DL it!!!

Key Board

2007-04-02, 14:44

You're all wrong.

It's Magical SWAT!!!!!

guenthar

2007-04-02, 15:15

It looks like it is more like 5 or 6 years later then 10 years later in this series from the previous one.

DJ_RockmanX

2007-04-02, 15:25

*sigh* Why is it still contended that StrikerS takes place around after the time of the A's epilogue?

It's already been confirmed that the events of StrikerS take place 10 years after the events of A's. This means the girls are out of high school, and already have high positions in the TSAB.

If anything, the flashbacks shown in the first episode of StrikerS would have taken place around the time of the A's epilogue, with the way the dates are playing out.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-02, 21:21

*sigh* Why is it still contended that StrikerS takes place around after the time of the A's epilogue?

Denial? I know it gets the best of us sometimes...

Gearhead

2007-04-02, 22:43

There were two timeskips. The A's epilogue leads into the A's to StrikerS comic.

The comic then had an ADDITIONAL 4 year time skip halfway through.

Prior to this timeskip, Hayate is a Captain. After it, she's a Lt. Colonel.

Village Idiot

2007-04-02, 22:46

With poor Fate failing the Enforcer examinations twice in a row XD (Signum will never let her live it down)

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-02, 23:10

With poor Fate failing the Enforcer examinations twice in a row XD (Signum will never let her live it down)

Perhaps thats why she wanted to join her team! To be able to rub it in for every single moment that can!

raidou

2007-04-03, 01:03

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-03, 01:08

There is also 2 months skip from manga to anime :P (is it 1 or 2 month cant remember right lazy dl another copy)

Is it just me or teana's guns look different? the one she has in the anime opening is more similar to the manga(the barrel especially)

I heard it was one month...

As for Teana's gun, it could easily be upgraded (or perhaps replaced) once they join Forward Star.

raidou

2007-04-03, 01:29

thanks , yeah it is 1 month lol i end up dling another manga copy.

Teana's guns seem like a downgrade :p , the one she used in the anime opening/manga looks cooler than in episode 1

Teana's Crossfire shot looks similar to photon lancer after i re watch some A's AMV

:eyebrow:

At least make that "Magical Girls Women," please. :heh:

There is still some lolis >< one of em is permanent

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-03, 01:31

Teana's guns seem like a downgrade :p , the one she used in the anime opening/manga looks cooler than in episode 1

Well, thats probably the 'new' one... Hence it's called an 'upgrade' :D

Teana's Crossfire shot looks similar to photon lancer after i re watch some A's AMV

Probably because of the color...

raidou

2007-04-03, 01:36

Probably because of the color...

That and the way it hovers before launched too

rallihir

2007-04-03, 02:03

Does anyone know who is the character designer for Nanoha?

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-03, 02:05

Taken from ANN...

Character Design: Yasuhiro OKUDA

Bloodseeker

2007-04-03, 05:45

http://www.the-triad.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=443

"We already have the script translated and partially(?) edited. We're waiting for a better raw, and you can blame all the digital TV channels for airing 1-4 days later than the shit analog one."

Good.

Gearhead

2007-04-03, 06:07

Is it just me or teana's guns look different? the one she has in the anime opening is more similar to the manga(the barrel especially)

Both Subaru and Teana's gear are diffrent from the opening.

My guess is that Nanoha takes them to the Team 6 technologist and she hooks them both up. There IS a position specifically set aside for someone who maintains and upgrades Devices.

raidou

2007-04-03, 06:57

Both Subaru and Teana's gear are diffrent from the opening.

My guess is that Nanoha takes them to the Team 6 technologist and she hooks them both up. There IS a position specifically set aside for someone who maintains and upgrades Devices.

No no , people seem to misunderstood what am saying (sorry bad English learned it 6 months ago).What i mean is that she went from 'ok' looking guns(manga) to shitty one(ep1) then later upgrade to cool version(opening/similar to manga)

As for my take on the romance... So far this seriess has been, in my opinion, disappointingly lacking in that department, so I wouldn't be surprise if they F-ed me up again this time...

But then again, this 26 episode show has just started, so I won't be so quick to place bets just yet...
I do agree with Chaos2Frozen post about romance lacking in this series, they did try to make some indication near the end of A's.
Still hoping until today that Nanoha/Yuno conversation in last Ep of A's could be a little different (during the snow):( and they could make some continuation in here :)

Some people did Fate X Nanoha pairing because Fate blush a lot in front of Nanoha :p

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-03, 07:09

No no , people seem to misunderstood what am saying (sorry bad English learned it 6 months ago).What i mean is that she went from 'ok' looking guns(manga) to shitty one(ep1) then later upgrade to cool version(opening/similar to manga)

OOOHHHHhhhh... :) :heh: :D :p

I do agree with Chaos2Frozen post about romance lacking in this series, they did try to make some indication near the end of A's.

/bow

Still hoping until today that Nanoha/Yuno conversation in last Ep of A's could be a little different (during the snow):( and they could make some continuation in here :)

There's still some hope, why? Because the story's not over yet :) !

Some people did Fate X Nanoha pairing because Fate blush a lot in front of Nanoha :p

Well that, and plenty of other things... But because I'm bias, I won't list them! :p

raidou

2007-04-03, 07:16

There's still some hope, why? Because the story's not over yet :) !

Well that, and plenty of other things... But because I'm bias, I won't list them! :p

Hehe but yuno not in the cast list -,- so the possibility is really low unless they did something and he show up as a mute ferret for the rest of the series :D

Btw i used to live around Sg Tampines(for a year) lol :heh:

Loner

2007-04-03, 07:20

I do agree with Chaos2Frozen post about romance lacking in this series, they did try to make some indication near the end of A's.
Still hoping until today that Nanoha/Yuno conversation in last Ep of A's could be a little different (during the snow):( and they could make some continuation in here :)

Personally, after reading that first StrikerS manga and hearing the StrikerS Sound Stage, I'm predicting one episode where Amy, Fate, Hayate, and at least half the rest of the cast conspire (and fail miserably) to "help" the romance between Nanoha and Yuuno blossom. ;)

raidou

2007-04-03, 07:28

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-03, 07:28

Hehe but yuno not in the cast list -,- so the possibility is really low unless they did something and he show up as a mute ferret for the rest of the series :D

Don't worry too much about the cast list (yet), not everyone's on it, especially the villians, so it's still changable...

Btw i used to live around Sg Tampines(for a year) lol :heh:

Heh:D .

Personally, after reading that first StrikerS manga and hearing the StrikerS Sound Stage, I'm predicting one episode where Amy, Fate, Hayate, and at least half the rest of the cast conspire (and fail miserably) to "help" the romance between Nanoha and Yuuno blossom.

I can see it... I can seriously see it happening... But even when they screwed up their plans spectacularly, I believe it'll still have a 'positive' ending :).

Bloodseeker

2007-04-03, 08:12

Personally, after reading that first StrikerS manga and hearing the StrikerS Sound Stage, I'm predicting one episode where Amy, Fate, Hayate, and at least half the rest of the cast conspire (and fail miserably) to "help" the romance between Nanoha and Yuuno blossom. ;)

DO NOT WANT!

Conspiring friends force potential love interests to go on a date but the plan backfires episodes generally tend to be pretty meh. Actually, I can't even think of a good one.

I wonder how they're going to use the extra episode time this season... More extensive plot? More casual character interaction? Stuff that they couldn't show earlier due to time constraints, like a training episode where Nanoha teaches the new blood how to make friends properly? (I like instructor Nanoha from what I saw of her in the As to StrikerS manga) Tons more clashes between the good guys and the bad guys? A mixture of all of the above?

Darco_emp

2007-04-03, 08:17

we need a beach Ep, or its more like I DEMAND a beach Ep. Its is against the rules to go for 3 seasons and not have a beach ep when the cast is mainly young teens.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-03, 08:20

Fail miserably as in Subaru ruining it :naughty: :nono:

Subaru... Rein... Vita... Shamal (she seems bad with sneaky acts :heh: )... Amy... Arf... Carol's pet dragon....

All likely suspects.

(edit: Hell, even Chrono would do it, just to spite Yuuno :p)

I wonder how they're going to use the extra episode time this season... More extensive plot? More casual character interaction? Stuff that they couldn't show earlier due to time contraints, like a training episode where Nanoha teaches the new blood how to make friends properly? (I like instructor Nanoha from what I saw of her in the As to StrikerS manga) Tons more clashes between the good guys and the bad guys? A mixture of all of the above?

There's most likely one or two training episodes... As for fanservice-base, a beach episode probably isn't too far-fetch....

Ah, sparring fights are always welcomed.

Bloodseeker

2007-04-03, 08:21

I'd be surprised if you didn't get your wish, Darco. GROWN UP ARF MUST BE IN IT!

More Fate and Nanoha wearing matching bathing suits with different color schemes? (and hopefully less Tiana in a one piece... she needs a two piece)

Aaron008R

2007-04-03, 08:56

Personally, after reading that first StrikerS manga and hearing the StrikerS Sound Stage, I'm predicting one episode where Amy, Fate, Hayate, and at least half the rest of the cast conspire (and fail miserably) to "help" the romance between Nanoha and Yuuno blossom. ;)

VERY possible. I can actually see them going as far as to use some of their upper-tier skills. Not just magical skills! I can actually imagine Fate convincing Chrono to use Durandal to lower the temperature a bit for a hopeful, "~Yuuno-kun, it's cold!~" reaction from Nanoha. (With threats to "Onii~chan!" him to submission with help from Hayate and the other girls!)

But, knowing Nanoha ad Yuuno, maybe they'll just use a heating spell or Yuuno would volunteer to be a 'scarf' for Nanoha while in ferret mode. This obviously won't be satisfying for Hayate and the others.

Mizuno

2007-04-03, 09:03

So Nanoha and Fate are now close to 20? Damn, *drools*. Had to held off the saliva when they were still loli, but now I'm free to drool, lol. :heh:

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-03, 09:25

VERY possible. I can actually see them going as far as to use some of their upper-tier skills. Not just magical skills! I can actually imagine Fate covincing Chrono to use Durandal to lower the temperature a bit for a hopeful, "~Yuuno-kun, it's cold!~" reaction from Nanoha. (With threats to "Onii~chan!" him to submission with help from Hayate and the other girls!)

Knowing Chrono (And Sugita if he has any say in this) if he 'help' out it'll probably end up with something like...

http://acatisfinetoo.com/edible/nanoha/whitedaysp.jpg

... And the result would be...

http://acatisfinetoo.com/edible/nanoha/whitedayspyu-no.jpg

... :D

But, knowing Nanoha ad Yuuno, maybe they'll just use a heating spell or Yuuno would volunteer to be a 'scarf' for Nanoha while in ferret mode. This obviously won't be satisfying for Hayate and the others.

Hayate, apparently, goes for the win...! (Some how I can't stop imagining her as Haruhi... With Acous being... And Chrono being... And recently I've found out about Amy too...)

raidou

2007-04-03, 09:49

ROFL at those 4 panel , beach eps would be nice :D but somehow i don't feel it gonna happen.It doesn't really fit, onsen episode at the best :(

Chrono is engaged to Amy isn't? would be very naughty of him to do that :p

But, knowing Nanoha ad Yuuno, maybe they'll just use a heating spell or Yuuno would volunteer to be a 'scarf' for Nanoha while in ferret mode. This obviously won't be satisfying for Hayate and the others.

Nanoha kinda slow at those thing.No reaction at all when she found out Yuno is a boy and she took a bath with him just a few days ago (in A's).Well hopefully it is different now that she is much older ;)

This should be animated or something similar
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/903/bangai13mn5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Almost no one mention zafira though :O .His chibi form is cuter than arf , need more only seen for a few seconds in A's ^^

johnishida

2007-04-03, 12:52

we need a beach Ep, or its more like I DEMAND a beach Ep. Its is against the rules to go for 3 seasons and not have a beach ep when the cast is mainly young teens.

I agree with you! A beach ep we need! Suzuka and Arisa should be there too! And would not mind grown up Vita as well xDDDD

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-03, 14:27

Chrono is engaged to Amy isn't? would be very naughty of him to do that

I just don't care anymore....

P.S -

"Watching Touka Gettan gave me a really really bad headache"

LOL!

Woden

2007-04-03, 15:49

I really wouldn't count anyone out when it comes to appearances. I've tried speculating far too often on certain things and ended up wrong. As far as I'm concerned, it's alright if the romance happens on the extra disks. Well, as long as I can get a translation. Or I manage to learn Japanese... Still, there's always fanfiction. It isn't AU unless something proves otherwise.

dkellis

2007-04-03, 16:13

No no , people seem to misunderstood what am saying (sorry bad English learned it 6 months ago).What i mean is that she went from 'ok' looking guns(manga) to shitty one(ep1) then later upgrade to cool version(opening/similar to manga)

Really? I'm looking at the A's To StrikerS manga right now, and her gun there looks like the one she uses in episode 1. (We get some clear shots of it in chapters 4 and 5.)

Of course, there may be some subtle difference that I'm missing, but even then, it looks more like the single gun used in episode one than the dual guns in the opening.

Proto

2007-04-03, 16:55

Almost no one mention zafira though :O

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/9576/asnano58sj8.th.jpg (http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asnano58sj8.jpg)

You should present yourself if you want people to pay attention to you

raidou

2007-04-03, 19:29

I just don't care anymore....

P.S -

"Watching Touka Gettan gave me a really really bad headache"

LOL!

Well seriously, try to watch it yourself :P

@ Protoman

>< yeh they both not really shown much, need more screen time :D .Shamal always work in the background no direct fight and Zafira fighting Arf all the time in A's so make sense that Nanoha/Fate has no idea who the hell he is

Really? I'm looking at the A's To StrikerS manga right now, and her gun there looks like the one she uses in episode 1. (We get some clear shots of it in chapters 4 and 5.)

Of course, there may be some subtle difference that I'm missing, but even then, it looks more like the single gun used in episode one than the dual guns in the opening.

Hmm really? I was pretty sure the opening Guns look the same as one of the chapter cover.Maybe i was wrong.Crap already deleted the manga copy again.:frustrated:

Ahh got it , the gun that remind me of the opening actually this one
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9995/18jc4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Also if anyone wanted to know Subaru's cartridge (Lowegear mentioned in other thread)
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6175/19ap1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Demon Eyes

2007-04-03, 21:07

Looking here, I couldn't help but miss Amy-chan.

Did she really become a WAIFU 24/7?!!

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/3466/clipboardag7.jpg

raidou

2007-04-03, 22:10

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-03, 22:48

Well she should not , how is she gonna keep an eye on Chrono if she stayed home all the time :nono:

They are also not married yet ,aren't they?.I don't remember whether it is mentioned in the manga , only engaged.She is in the cast list though probably gonna show up here and there with Chrono.

Somehow, my fingers are aching when I type this... So I'll cut it down to points.

1- Yes, they-sigh-are.
2- Her name hasn't changed yet.
3- Depending on the age of their twins, they could be adopted.

EDIT:

Well she should not , how is she gonna keep an eye on Chrono if she stayed home all the time

She can't :D

raidou

2007-04-03, 23:08

aahh ok thanks for the info , Amy last name still listed as limiette so i thought they were engaged still.Just found the old post you made in other thread(took a while to read 150+long thread eh:heh: )
I expect em to adopt the twin ^^ everyone seems to adopt kids left and right in this series :p

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-03, 23:12

aahh ok thanks for the info , Amy last name still listed as limiette so i thought they were engaged still.
I expect em to adopt the twin ^^ everyone seems to adopt kids left and right in this series :p

Well I hope thats the case.

But if it's true, I can safely say that Lindy and Fate probably pressured him into it... :)

Aaron008R

2007-04-03, 23:14

She can't :D

Does she really HAVE to? I know whats going around with Sugita voicing Chrono. But I don't really see any reason for Amy to worry about Chrono two- NO -multitiming.
BUT, if you add rabid fangirls in the equation, it could spell some fairly troublesome situations. Chrono would get into serious trouble because of some misunderstanding from his wife, Lindy, and the Aces (I'd love to see how our trio would react! But I can't think of any good dialog for this.). Hey! They could make an episode with that theme! Or more probably not considering the focus of StrikerS.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-03, 23:22

Does she really HAVE to? I know whats going around with Sugita voicing Chrono. But I don't really see any reason for Amy to worry about Chrono two- NO -multitiming.

For humor sake... :D

http://acatisfinetoo.com/edible/nanoha/as_nano36.jpg

... Which leads to...

http://acatisfinetoo.com/edible/nanoha/as_nano45.jpg

... Hence...

http://acatisfinetoo.com/edible/nanoha/as_nano12.jpg

... Something like that :D

BUT, if you add rabid fangirls in the equation, it could spell some fairly troublesome situations. Chrono would get into serious trouble because of some misunderstanding from his wife, Lindy, and the Aces (I'd love to see how our trio would react! But I can't think of any good dialog for this.). Hey! They could make an episode with that theme! Or more probably not considering the focus of StrikerS.

/Shrug

If they plan to do a beach episode, why not go the whole ten yards and add a "Operation: Set them up!" episode for YxN or this :)

raidou

2007-04-03, 23:52

EadTaes

2007-04-04, 00:46

Beach Episode =back to earth (better be earth beach)=
Vita adult form + swimsuit :bow: :bow: (probably gonna look like KMUS' Hikari but w/e)

They could also mix YxN up in the storyline. Dying Nanoha because of those old injuries(manga) Yuno came and saved her , lost all his magic power reverted back to ferret,etc etc :D

Speaking of that injured Nanoha
Are we told more about that moment in later chapters? Because when i look at it what i see is a very crippled Nanoha that about to die. But Vita looks relatively unscaved. To me that make me belive it was an ambush and that Nanoha was their prime target. Since Vite has no injuries and neider is her clothing damage/dirty.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-04, 00:52

Speaking of that injured Nanoha
Are we told more about that moment in later chapters? Because when i look at it what i see is a very crippled Nanoha that about to die. But Vita looks relatively unscaved. To me that make me belive it was an ambush and that Nanoha was their prime target. Since Vite has no injuries and neider is her clothing damage/dirty.

Or look at it this way, perhaps Vita was with the reinforcement/rescue party being sent to asist/aid her, that would explain her being relatively unharmed.

dkellis

2007-04-04, 00:59

Ahh got it , the gun that remind me of the opening actually this one
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9995/18jc4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Ah. Well, I couldn't read the Japanese text, but I was guessing that it was more or less a toy gun (or at least a "first try" gun) rather than something she would use day-to-day. She's keeping it for sentimental reasons or something.

Of course, if I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me. In any case, Teana definitely uses the episode 1 gun (or close equivalent) in training sessions, so maybe that's the gun she's "supposed" to use based on paperwork or something.

raidou

2007-04-04, 01:22

I remember it wrongly which one that she used during training >< my bad , that's why i re download the manga and found that part .

About Injured Nanoha
From Vita's comment it seems that they are on regular simple mission kinda, probably decided to split off and Nanoha happen to be the one with bad luck or she is underestimating them/Nanoha end up protecting her from attacks.
That's why she went all out that time after having flashback so not to repeat the same thing.

Aaron008R

2007-04-04, 01:25

Or look at it this way, perhaps Vita was with the reinforcement/rescue party being sent to asist/aid her, that would explain her being relatively unharmed.

But I remember Vita saying in the manga that she, along with other people were supposed to be just in a get together with the strongest ace (Nanoha). It also showed Nanoha patting Vita's head before the attack.
It's kinda frustrating that they didn't even give the nature of Nanoha's assailants. Just what were they? Drones? Mages? Monsters? I know that they want to keep the suspense but c'mon, the assailant at least deserved a mention ala 'that guy/girl/monster/etc.' Though I couldn't rule out the possibility that Nanoha was sniped repeatedly with extremely long range magical and physical damage shots.

EadTaes

2007-04-04, 01:38

Or look at it this way, perhaps Vita was with the reinforcement/rescue party being sent to asist/aid her, that would explain her being relatively unharmed.

I've reread everythign that i could remmeber was relevent to that event and this is what i conclude.

Vita recals that moment because in her mind the damage done to the area reminds her of what happen on that day. Also Nanoha wasn't alone that day Vita point to that her self on chapter 2 pages 18 and 19. Also in the scene were vita is holding Nanoha crying out to teh medical team to get there on the double you can notice that Raising Heart is rigth there and it is undamaged. This could only be possible if she hasnt been able to use it to defend her self. And that could only happen if it was an ambush. And Vita also says they had their gaurd down. So teh possibilaty they got jumped is very likely. And the fact Vita is uninjured while Nanoha is near death is probably because vita easyly defeated them.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-04, 01:40

But I remember Vita saying in the manga that she, along with other people were supposed to be just in a get together with the strongest ace (Nanoha). It also showed Nanoha patting Vita's head before the attack.
It's kinda frustrating that they didn't even give the nature of Nanoha's assailants. Just what were they? Drones? Mages? Monsters? I know that they want to keep the suspense but c'mon, the assailant at least deserved a mention ala 'that guy/girl/monster/etc.' Though I couldn't rule out the possibility that Nanoha was sniped repeatedly with extremely long range magical and physical damage shots.

Bah, no point basing on memory... lets see...

It is a mission. The first part was probably refering to before it started. Yup, my bad, Vita was with her.

HOWEVER, it did not say whether a not they were under attack, it could also be a lost logia getting ready to blow. And (as dramatic as it sounds) Nanoha manages to push Vita away, but couldn't got out in time.

Vita said "I should have noticed..."

Nightengale

2007-04-04, 01:46

Bah, no point basing on memory... lets see...

It is a mission. The first part was probably refering to before it started. Yup, my bad, Vita was with her.

HOWEVER, it did not say whether a not they were under attack, it could also be a lost logia getting ready to blow.

Vita said "I should have noticed..."

There are many ways to interprete that break-down of scenes. However, I feel that it's highly doubtful that Vita managed to defeat whoever or whatever owned Nanoha, since the manga was still being very vague about it. I mean, if it's weak to the extent that Vita can own it easily in a non-ambush situation, why even be remotely vague? Besides, the words Vita used like "I should have noticed" and "That thing" seems to imply that there's more to it than what we're shown.

It's even possible that in a large area (( their mission location was huge )), they temporarily split up and when they did, Nanoha got attacked, only for it/him/her to retreat once Vita came to. There's myriads of possibilities, but I suspect it will be key to StrikerS. Otherwise, it's just a plothole.

EadTaes

2007-04-04, 02:28

Still Raising Heart is still undamged wich points to that Nanoha didn't get to use it to defend her self. And if she almost got killed by the initial strike the enemy would probably have killed her before Vita arived if they were seperate. If it was a lost logia explosion Raising Heart would also be damaged. To me it has clasic ambush senario. It coudl even be an assasination attemp.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-04, 03:12

Well if you say so...

In any case, that was (long?) before the start of the A's to StrikerS and it looks like a one time thing to show Vita's determination, so I doubt it'll be brought up again...

...UNLESS they decide to repeat history and have Nanoha (Or anybody else) getting hurt badly again... Another possiblity is that one of the rookies (probably Subaru) got careless and endangered herself (or anyone) who Vita nee-chan stepped in and give a lecture.

Furyou Miko

2007-04-04, 07:18

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-04, 07:21

If I can just change the subject a little... did I hallucinate Subaru using Divine Buster? Or do we think that, since the words for the spell come from the soul, she was just so impressed with Nanoha that her own magic blast (which she says herself isn't long-ranged or very powerful) just happened to manifest as the same chant?

At first I thought that was true as well, but turns out it's just all a really convincing dream...!

StrikerS hasn't even started yet ...

Aaron008R

2007-04-04, 07:23

If I can just change the subject a little... did I hallucinate Subaru using Divine Buster? Or do we think that, since the words for the spell come from the soul, she was just so impressed with Nanoha that her own magic blast (which she says herself isn't long-ranged or very powerful) just happened to manifest as the same chant?

No, you're not hallucinating or hearing things. Subaru was obviously impressed with Nanoha's Divine Buster 4 years ago. And, being a Nanoha fan, made herself her own variation. Despite being less powerful, I think her version is cooler.

Sheba

2007-04-04, 09:01

Despite being less powerful, I think her version is cooler.

I haven't watched any other mecha anime, other than grendizer, patlabor, macross and eva, so I didn't get the mecha anime reference for Subaru. Instead, her Divine Buster made me think of Order Sol's Tyrant Rave (level 1 I think).

Ultima_Rasengan05

2007-04-04, 15:15

waoh when did that happen to Nanoha??

when Nanoha is at the brink of death from a surprise attack and Vita saving her life from it???
did it happen in the manga already or is it just speculation??

man watching StrikerS, its really a different feeling....the whole setting and the new set of characters being introduced.....its really different from the first two seasons!
for some reason though, with this whole "ranking military status" that they're using now in the show, i can't but stop thinking that this show is kinda like FMP, but with magic and very advanced magic technology:heh:
and by the way, what city are Nanoha and crew staying at??
it looks like some kind of future space city??
last time i checked, i know Nanoha used to live on Earth with her parents....
and the opening and ending sequences for StrikerS is really cool!
and Subaru using divine buster was something i wasn't expecting 0_0!!
that was a really big surprise for me!:heh:

Meophist

2007-04-04, 15:21

I thought I'd just post a little summary of what I think of the character's combat abilities right now. This is as of StrikerS episode 1.

Nanoha

Optimal range: Medium to Long

Nanoha is an arial combatist who specializes in ranged attacks. She's mainly defensive. She is particularly mobile but is only average in terms of actual speed. Though she's at her strongest at medium to long ranges, she is capable in all ranges.

One of her greatest strengths is that she doesn't lose much effectiveness during range transitions and is still effective during the in-between ranges. This means that if she can't stay in her most optimal long-range against her opponent, it'll be the most ideal of her to switch between the close and medium ranges often.

Her weakness includes her lack of effective offensive capability in close range, as well as her relative lack of speed. Her high maneuverability lets her avoid attacks even at close range, but without using spells such as Divine Shooter or Accel Shooter, she would have difficulty moving away from the close range. Making the opponent focus on shots can allow her to change her range more easily.

Fate
Optimal range: Close and Medium
Fate is also an arial combatist, but specializes instead in close-ranged attacks. Unlike Nanoha, Fate has presence in speed rather than mobility. Fate is also very offense-oriented. Her attacks and movement are very focused, which gives an advantage in speed and power, but can end up being rather predictable. Also unlike Nanoha, Fate can excel at using the ground to her advantage, should the situation allow itself.

Fate's biggest strength is in her focused speed and power. She's fast and her attacks are capable of dealing great damage in a small area. However, this makes both her attacks and movement linear, making it easier to predict the paths of both. Fate compensates for this with overwhelming speed and by changing directions.

She is, however, weak at range transitions, espeically in the outwards directions. Her long-ranged attacks are also lacking as, although they are still quick, thier focus makes it less than ideal. Her best strategy would be to remain in the close and medium ranges, switching between the two to keep things unpredictable, but spending as little time as possible during the transition. If she is stronger than her opponent at close range, then it'll be best to simply stay in close range if possible, attacking quickly and frequently.

Hayate
Optimal range: Long to Very Long?
Don't really know much about Hayate, only having seen two attacks from her. Judging from that however, it seems although uncertain, that her specialty is in powerful long-range attacks.

Hayate's attacks are even less focused than Nanoha's, and the big spell that she used, Ragnarok Breaker, seems to have multiple start points. Another interesting mention is that her attack seems to start from beside or behind her rather than from in front.

Assuming she has lower-level spells of the same style, one can further assume that she would be a type that aims to attack unconventionally with start points that is different from where she is. This style of fighting is not very good at close ranged combat, but can work on the medium range very well. Judging from her attacks, it would seem that she only gets better the longer the range she is from her opponent. She can probably be catagorized as an artillery striker.

Vita
Optimal range: Close and Medium
Vita is…

Vita specializes in close ranged attacks. Although she doesn't have the mobility or speed of other characters, she makes up for it with more balanced offensive and defensive capabilities.

Vita is powerful in the close range. Unlike Fate, she can both deal and take, but loses out on speed. This makes her optimal in situation where she can force close ranged encounters. She'll be particularly powerful in close corridors. Unfortunally, she becomes significantly less effective in open-area engagements. She is however, still effective in group settings.

Vita needs to watch out for changing range too often. Much of her attacks are very range-specific, and she is left with very few options in between those ranges. On the other hand, she should engage in close combat as much as possible, as it is her greatest strength. Careful use of the Swallow Flier attack can greatly assist her range problems.

Signum
Optimal range: Close to Medium
Signum also specializes in close ranged attacks, and also lacks mobility and speed in favour of more balnaced offensive and defensive capabilities. However, she goes a bit further with this than Vita.

Signum isn't particularly fast nor mobile, but gets by with bursts of speed. This can make her movement seem very unpredictible, which is a big strength for Signum. She has a variety of moves to cover the ranges of Close and Medium, as well as other ranges in between. This makes her a versitile fighter, being able to cover multiple aspects of battle by herself.

Long range is a big problem for Signum, requiring her to change form of her weapon to fight in that range effectively. In addition, one of her major weaknesses is that she doesn't work too well in group settings. The combination of being slow and being mobile doesn't work well in a group.

Chrono
Optimal range: Mid-close to Mid-long
Chrono specializes in medium range attacks as well as binds and traps. Unlike most other characters, Chrono has emphasis on technique as opposed to power or speed, and often takes advantage of mind games to defeat his opponent.

Chrono's biggest strength is his mind games. All he needs to do is convince that the move his opponent is making is the right move, even when it's not. As his most effective range is the medium range, he needs to convince his opponent that close range is too risky, or make his opponent go into such a range as a trap. Chrono is an expert at controlling the battle.

Chrono isn't particularly fast nor powerful. Because of this, he'll have trouble finishing battles quickly. In addition, he'll have trouble with opponents with overwhelming speed or power. In either case, it's likely that he'll be able to last a while, and can be a great asset in group battles.

Subaru
Optimal range: Close and Medium
Subaru specializes in close range attacks and high-speed movement. She acts through high-inertia movement and uses it in her attacks. She is well balanced in speed and offensive and defensive capabilities.

Her inertia is her biggest strength; the ability to move quickly and use that movement to power her own attacks. However, it can take time for her to reach her full power, and any movement hindering effects will have an increased effect on Subaru. In addition, her inertia-based movement can make her more predictable than other characters.

Her inability to fly and lack of ranged attacks can prove to be a fatal flaw. Alone, she would have an almost no chance against flying opponents with ranged attacks. To counter this, she would need either a method of flight, a long range attack, or some way of making platforms in the air quickly. Without any of these, she would need to rely on somebody else to handle such opponents.

Teana
Optimal range: Mid-close to Medium
Teana seems to specialize in illusionary magic, and is also capable of ranged attacks. She's not as fast or as mobile as Subaru, but she isn't lacking either.

Teana seems to be at her best at indirect combat or support. Her illusionary spells can help hide herself during indirect combat, or offer distraction during support. Above all else, it seems she needs time in order to properly take advantage of her offensive capabilities. This doesn't seem to be too viable for direct combat confrontations.

Teana needs to improve for aim. As it is right now, she has a very limited range of which she can effectively combat in. Although she does act as good support, I hope that's not all that she is by the end. It does seem like she's going to have two guns later on, but the question remains of whether or not she will be able to handle it. Right now, it doesn't seem like it.

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Ok, that's it for now. Anything somebody disagrees on? I'll say again that everything here is simply based on observations on the show. Nothing else.

Ultima_Rasengan05

2007-04-04, 15:28

i really like Teana's illusion spells....it wasn't something i was expecting also in the first episode!!

Loner

2007-04-04, 16:23

waoh when did that happen to Nanoha??

when Nanoha is at the brink of death from a surprise attack and Vita saving her life from it???
did it happen in the manga already or is it just speculation??

Answer:

They haven't officially shown when it occurred yet. Probably, since they bothered to put that into the manga, it'll be a substory that will show up in StrikerS (otherwise, why bother to invent it?). But clearly it had to be after A's (Vita and Nanoha didn't work together during A's) but before the manga.

for some reason though, with this whole "ranking military status" that they're using now in the show, i can't but stop thinking that this show is kinda like FMP, but with magic and very advanced magic technology:heh:

Hmmm, I thought Reinforce's hair color looked familiar. Maybe her last name is Testarossa? ;)

and by the way, what city are Nanoha and crew staying at??
it looks like some kind of future space city??
last time i checked, i know Nanoha used to live on Earth with her parents....

The city is on the world of Midchilda, which is a major stronghold of the TSAB and apparently where the primary school of magic used by the TSAB originated. There's been no city name given anywhere yet - the whole planet may be one big metropolis, ala Coruscant from Star Wars.

We don't yet know if Nanoha moved her permanent residence off of Earth, but she probably doesn't spend much time there. Earth, as last depicted in A's, is still in it's "pre-contact" phase and, as such, is still under a Prime Directive kind of "hands off" rule as far as the TSAB is concerned. Thus, that's one HECK of a daily commute.

Outlaender

2007-04-04, 17:40

Here's an interesting thought. The pink haired girl glimpsed briefly in the opening animation, has a square sigil aparently, similar in style to the Belka triangle. According to manga backstory, from some time before the Airport disaster, and after,
AMF equipped drones have been appearing at sites containing Lost Logia, and attempting (or succeeding) at making off with said Logia. The girl is possibly something like the Book of Darkness, but collects magical artifacts rather than linker cores. Something, or someone, activated it, and now it continues to follow it's purpose, which would seem to be collecting dangerous magical artifacts.

It's original purpose could be benign, or malignant, or being presently used to someone else's ends ( Chrono and Verossa Acous discussed how Lost Logia were
turning up more and more often in the conflicts and tribulations among the TSAB world) In keeping with the recurring theme of antagonists not being "truly evil",
it could be a tool designed to prevent the abuse of Lost Logia, but in the current
situation it's coming into conflict with the TSAB.

This all pure speculation, bear in mind.

One other idea that comes to mind- the square sigil could be the forerunner of Belka-type, perhaps even the magic-type of Al Hazred, the destroyed Civilization.

We'll have to wait and though, won't we. ^_^

johnjefferson3

2007-04-04, 18:18

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-04, 18:30

Kikaifan

2007-04-04, 18:42

I thought I'd just post a little summary of what I think of the character's combat abilities right now. This is as of StrikerS episode 1.

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Ok, that's it for now. Anything somebody disagrees on? I'll say again that everything here is simply based on observations on the show. Nothing else.

I disagree that Fate is predictable. Though they can't match the range of Nanoha's extended-range beams she and Chrono have the best all-range capability and the most spell variety, and their skirmishing style is the most tactically flexible, especially compared to Nanoha's bombardments and Signum and Vita-style beatdowns.

I also think the strength of Nanoha's shields and Signum's armor is noteworthy and places them a step ahead of other characters where resisting attack is concerned.

I don't really think anything can be said about Hayate except that if she inherits YnS' tendencies she'll be the strongest in pretty much every category.

kct

2007-04-04, 18:42

Well, we are never sure if she will turn to the good side.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-04, 18:47

Well, we are never sure if she will turn to the good side.

Ah, but are we even sure that she's on the bad side to begin with? Is it in the starter book or something?

kct

2007-04-04, 19:26

That is what I want to know too, otherwise it is baseless speculation. However, no one is truly a villain in Nanoha, so we can't be really sure for now ^^.

Meophist

2007-04-04, 19:29

I disagree that Fate is predictable. Though they can't match the range of Nanoha's extended-range beams she and Chrono have the best all-range capability and the most spell variety, and their skirmishing style is the most tactically flexible, especially compared to Nanoha's bombardments and Signum and Vita-style beatdowns.Fate is actually rather inflexible. She is incredibly weak at long range against mobile targets and concentrates the most upon her strong close to medium range attacks.

Her linear movement, both in her own and her attack's, is something that leans towards predictability. This is also one of the reasons why she is weak at long range. Changing directions to avoid attacks is more effective the closer one is to his/her opponent, and linear attacks at such range are much easier to avoid. Linear attacks are most effective at medium range, where they can most take advantage of thier increased speed and ranged capability but without having to deal with their relatively predictable flight path.I also think the strength of Nanoha's shields and Signum's armor is noteworthy and places them a step ahead of other characters where resisting attack is concerned.I did say that they have improved defense among others, didn't I?I don't really think anything can be said about Hayate except that if she inherits YnS' tendencies she'll be the strongest in pretty much every category.I don't think she did, but then again, pretty much everything I said about Hayate is just guessing.

raidou

2007-04-04, 19:57

her name is Lutecia and she is the first so called villian and she uses a new catogorey of magic that has not been see before, but then again all the people we have know and the new people have new moves also, so you might want to have a peice of paper with you when you watch it so you know who is doing what at any given time, there are allready over 80 different magic moves and combinations allready and were easily going to have at least 20 new ones just from the good people for sure!!!!!!!

Well, we are never sure if she will turn to the good side.

There is no confirmation whether she is a bad/good or somewhere in between :confused: ...lots people just assumed that she is the villain because of the impression shown in the opening , personally i think she would be neutral :D
I have a feeling some of the new characters attacks would be really similar to the old cast.Btw I don't remember Fate having G-Deathscythe type where she throw scythe shaped energy bolt(in the opening),that's new right?

No more lolis :sad:

You sure :twitch: i count at least 3 in eps one/opening alone....

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-04, 20:07

There is no confirmation whether she is a bad/good or somewhere in between :confused: ...lots people just assumed that she is the villain because of the impression shown in the opening , personally i think she would be neutral :D

I just automatically assumed that, given the record of this series, the young, cute and talented little girls are never bad...

You sure :twitch: i count at least 3 in eps one/opening alone....

Really? I counted 5...

If Rein can be considered loli...

EDIT: Bleh, my bad... Eilo doesn't count right :heh: ?

Woden

2007-04-04, 20:13

Btw I don't remember Fate having G-Deathscythe type where she throw scythe shaped energy bolt(in the opening),that's new right?

Doesn't she use that against Signum in A's? I'm pretty sure it isn't new...

Bloodseeker

2007-04-04, 20:13

No more lolis :sad:

That's a good thing here. I've been able to use that to help convince people that were previously put off by the raving pedos drooling over Fate's loli ass to watch the first two seasons.

Meophist

2007-04-04, 20:14

I just automatically assumed that, given the record of this series, the young, cute and talented little girls are never bad...That'll be a nice twist.

…really, we haven't had a "bad person" since the first series. I kinda hope we get somebody who's actually evil in this series.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-04, 20:16

Doesn't she use that against Signum in A's? I'm pretty sure it isn't new...

Season 1 : Arc saver, Scythe Slash

Season 2 : Haken Saber, Haken Slash

Woden

2007-04-04, 20:17

Can someone please post an argument for an "actually evil" character? I've always found them extremely boring, and I'm wondering what is so appealing about them...

guest

2007-04-04, 20:20

That'll be a nice twist.

…really, we haven't had a "bad person" since the first series. I kinda hope we get somebody who's actually evil in this series.
No, thank you. If I wanted something like that, I could just go for Super Man, instead of Nanoha.

raidou

2007-04-04, 20:20

I just automatically assumed that, given the record of this series, the young, cute and talented little girls are never bad...

Sure.....if she is actually young :heh: A really distinct bad guy would make this show kinda boring imo

Really? I counted 5...

If Rein can be considered loli...

Hmmm Vita, Caro,Teana(is 16 loli??), Lutecia, Rein,Subaru(i dont really see her as a girl btw:uhoh: ) anymore?

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-04, 20:22

Can someone please post an argument for an "actually evil" character? I've always found them extremely boring, and I'm wondering what is so appealing about them...

The fact that you can hardly find them in this series makes it very appealing by itself.

Also, people want to have character deaths, but don't want to feel bad/sad about it, hence 'really evil' characters are great scapegoats.

Of course, having a 'Trying to take over the world' character is just down right stupid. (Unless done right, eg the two L(s))

But in any case, personally I just want to see some villians without having to go through their dramatic past or having to know why they did what they did...

EDIT:

@raidou
I already edited, it was only 4 :heh:
(Carol, Vita, Rein and Lutecia)

Bloodseeker

2007-04-04, 20:25

That'll be a nice twist.

…really, we haven't had a "bad person" since the first series. I kinda hope we get somebody who's actually evil in this series.

Same here. It would be nice if their main opponents throughout the series (like Fate was in season 1 and the Knights were in A's) were messed up bastards that needed to die, and ultimately did. Nanoha needs a higher death count.

Woden

2007-04-04, 20:30

Meophist

2007-04-04, 20:36

Nanoha needs a higher death count.Wait, Nanoha has a death count?

In any case, wow, I didn't really expect that kind of response from my statement. I was mainly just refering to the mysterious girl in the opening. Thought it'll be interesting if she turned out to be evil.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-04, 20:37

I'd rather have villains with dramatic pasts, than "RAWR, I AM EVIL" villains. Everyone needs a reason, and "RAWR, I AM EVIL" villains tend to have more comedy leaning reasons. Things like "I'm bored" don't really interest me.

I have something against going through one's angst past/present for nearly half an episode.

So okay, I don't mind the 'I'm doing this for a reason' part, but for the last two season, it's been the SAME reason.

"I'm doing this for [name of loved one]"

Wait, isn't character death just for sake of character death a little pointless?

Who is to say it won't advance the plot.

EDIT:

Oh, and this is only the third series. If all the villains were homicidal maniacs you'd probably be asking for more reasons.

Of course.

raidou

2007-04-04, 20:37

Wait, Nanoha has a death count?

In any case, wow, I didn't really expect that kind of response from my statement. I was mainly just refering to the mysterious girl in the opening. Thought it'll be interesting if she turned out to be evil.

Precia , Chrono's father

I have something against going through one's angst past/present for nearly half an episode.

So okay, I don't mind the 'I'm doing this for a reason' part, but for the last two season, it's been the SAME reason.

"I'm doing this for [name of loved one]"

Well hopefully this time it would be different , if that loli turn out to be some kinda of lost logia's guardian to balance the world or something around that line.Sometimes going through the past of characters would provide a nice twist and plot to the storyline as long it is not taking 1/4 of the series.

Edit:
As long strikers doesn't have Tomino style ending , it is all good...higher death count doesn't hurt

Woden

2007-04-04, 20:41

This isn't Gundam QUITE yet. Killing people to "advance the plot" kind of shows a lack of creativity in my opinion... At least, if it is a character that cannot be sympathized with. That is a little more than a plot device, and somewhat lame one at that. What would be good is a character death that moves the plot along AND moves the audience. Only problem is that that kind of development usually only works on the "Good Guys" team. That would counter out the "evil villains just to have someone you don't care about die", which would defeat the purpose.

Bloodseeker

2007-04-04, 20:41

I'd rather have villains with dramatic pasts, than "RAWR, I AM EVIL" villains. Everyone needs a reason, and "RAWR, I AM EVIL" villains tend to have more comedy leaning reasons. Things like "I'm bored" don't really fit. I don't mind crazy-type villains (Precia) but they had best have a reason for being crazy.

Wait, isn't character death just for sake of character death a little pointless?

Oh, and this is only the third series. If all the villains were homicidal maniacs you'd probably be asking for more reasons.

I never said that I wanted a shallow evil villain... just a few with a strong will and some jacked up (but comprehendable) logic (see the not-so-nice Sonozaki sister in Higurashi) that aren't going to give up until they die.

I agree that "RAWR I'M PISSED" and "ME WANT POWAH!" villains generally tend to be pretty boring.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-04, 20:42

Precia , Chrono's father

Alicia, Reinforce.

A kitten (Maybe it survived?), a tree, probably hundreds of fishes, an army of mindless robots, one unlucky defence program.

...perhaps an aged admiral?

Meophist

2007-04-04, 20:46

Precia , Chrono's fatherSorry, I thought you meant kill count.Well hopefully this time it would be different , if that loli turn out to be some kinda of lost logia's guardian to balance the world or something around that lineI thought it'll be interesting if that little girl was actually really evil but she doesn't talk too much so it's hard to tell.

Woden

2007-04-04, 20:50

I never said that I wanted a shallow evil villain... just a few with a strong will and some jacked up (but comprehendable) logic (see the not-so-nice Sonozaki sister in Higurashi) that aren't going to give up until they die.

I agree that "RAWR I'M PISSED" and "ME WANT POWAH!" villains generally tend to be pretty boring.

To me a villain with a strong will and some kind of screwed up yet understandable logic isn't really evil. He's fighting for a cause, which he probably sees as a good one. That makes his actions more tragic than evil.

Bloodseeker

2007-04-04, 20:52

To me a villain with a strong will and some kind of screwed up yet understandable logic isn't really evil. He's fighting for a cause, which he probably sees as a good one. That makes his actions more tragic than evil.

So we agree.

Yeah, maybe the wording wasn't the best... I just want some fights to the death. Its about time that Nanoha's awesome fights meet some nice brutal ends for once.

Edit:

Well, maybe we don't agree completely. I don't usually find them tragic.

Woden

2007-04-04, 20:54

It would have to be someone besides Nanoha representing the good guys though. Maybe Fate, Vita, or Signum. Nanoha and Hayate just seem too nice to actually kill someone. Well, normally.

Edit: I have a strange way of categorizing actions.
A good deed for a good reason is good.
A good deed for an evil reason is flawed.
A bad deed for a good reason is tragic.
A bad deed for an evil reason is evil.

A tragic character is still understandable, and as such is still someone that could somewhat easily be sympathized with. A truly "evil" character lacks that quality.

raidou

2007-04-04, 20:56

Sorry, I thought you meant kill count.I thought it'll be interesting if that little girl was actually really evil but she doesn't talk too much so it's hard to tell.

Cant really judge from her look and she has not talk at all yet.She could end up being just some additional character who has a past with one of the new guy.Her personality might even be worse than Vita lol (look at CG's Kaguya)

perhaps an aged admiral?

is he even dead yet? he seems to age super fast though between A's ending and epilogue

So we agree.

Yeah, maybe the wording wasn't the best... I just want some fights to the death. Its about time that Nanoha's awesome fights meet some nice brutal ends for once.

Edit:

Well, maybe we don't agree completely. I don't usually find them tragic.

Chance of this happening is really low though.I don't really see many of them happening in this kind of genre of anime.

Bloodseeker

2007-04-04, 21:01

It would have to be someone besides Nanoha representing the good guys though. Maybe Fate, Vita, or Signum. Nanoha and Hayate just seem too nice to actually kill someone. Well, normally.

Subaru?

I agree with Hayate (unless someone kills one of her friends), but I could see Nanoha tuning violent if she got fed up enough with a villain. She showed shades of it towards the end of As.

Meophist

2007-04-04, 21:04

Cant really judge from her look and she has not talk at all yet.She could end up being just some additional character who has a past with one of the new guy.Her personality might even be worse than Vita lol (look at CG's Kaguya)I just said that it'll be interesting; never said that it'll be the case.

I don't really care who kills the cute little innocent evil girl, I want to see the good guys suffer through it.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-04, 21:05

It would have to be someone besides Nanoha representing the good guys though. Maybe Fate, Vita, or Signum. Nanoha and Hayate just seem too nice to actually kill someone. Well, normally.

The Fate now wouldn't even kill a fly... Unless it's a mindless fly that is planning to destroy the world one way or other... But in that case, all of them are capable of pulling the trigger.

Signum, I have no problem believeing she could do it.
Zafira, if he's ever strong enough :heh:
Vita, hard to tell, maybe if it's to save someone...
Chrono, He doesn't seem to be the type that will hesitate if it needs to.

EDIT:
@raidou
Hence I said 'perharps'.

@Meophist
There's probably enough angst going around with Subaru's mother's death, Teana's brother's death and Eilo being in a 'research' facility.

raidou

2007-04-04, 21:08

Subaru?

I agree with Hayate (unless someone kills one of her friends), but I could see Nanoha tuning violent if she got fed up enough with a villain. She showed shades of it towards the end of As.

Or those events in the manga could have changed her in some ways.It has been 10 years though , lots of them could be much different when it comes to battle since they are all more experienced now.

I just said that it'll be interesting; never said that it'll be the case.

I don't really care who kills the cute little innocent evil girl, I want to see the good guys suffer through it.

Ahh ok sorry i slightly misunderstand ><

Edit:
@Chaos2Frozen
yeah sorry my wording suck, I was actually asking whether he is dead or alive if anyone know

Meophist

2007-04-04, 21:20

Edit: I have a strange way of categorizing actions.
A good deed for a good reason is good.
A good deed for an evil reason is flawed.
A bad deed for a good reason is tragic.
A bad deed for an evil reason is evil.

A tragic character is still understandable, and as such is still someone that could somewhat easily be sympathized with. A truly "evil" character lacks that quality.What about a bad deed for amoral reasons?@Meophist
There's probably enough angst going around with Subaru's mother's death, Teana's brother's death and Eilo being in a 'research' facility.Well, I don't really care too much about the characters suffering part, but I want my innocent evil!

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-04, 21:47

What about a bad deed for amoral reasons?

Doesn't that fall under 'good' reason?

Well, I don't really care too much about the characters suffering part, but I want my innocent evil!

:heh:

BatAttack

2007-04-04, 21:49

Regarding 'Evil' villains and character deaths...

I think its not so much 'evilness' that is is required, so much as a villain who does not turn out to be a sweet litte girl who, in the end, just wants to be friends.
Instead, someone who has opposing goals and sticks to them, to the dire end.
Maybe they are killed, imprisoned, maybe the flee and go into hiding, defeated.
Just not another new friend.

And character deaths - it's not that they are needed to progress the plot, or whatever, its just that with all this high powered magical combat, it is incredible NO ONE HAS DIED YET.

People keep getting saved by the 'reduced to 1 hit point' rule.
In actual armed combat, if you are truly fighting for your life, it can be quite hard to not kill your opponent.

Having everyone survive combat time after time is a little contrived, and takes the drama out of it. After all, what is the price of failure? You end up on the floor very tired, and need to spend a few days in bed. Boo-hoo.

mist2123

2007-04-04, 21:52

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-04, 21:56

Regarding 'Evil' villains and character deaths...

I think its not so much 'evilness' that is is required, so much as a villain who does not turn out to be a sweet litte girl who, in the end, just wants to be friends.
Instead, someone who has opposing goals and sticks to them, to the dire end.
Maybe they are killed, imprisoned, maybe the flee and go into hiding, defeated.
Just not another new friend.

Yes! Finally! Someone who used the right words!

And character deaths - it's not that they are needed to progress the plot, or whatever, its just that with all this high powered magical combat, it is incredible NO ONE HAS DIED YET.

People keep getting saved by the 'reduced to 1 hit point' rule.
In actual armed combat, if you are truly fighting for your life, it can be quite hard to not kill your opponent.

Well now that they're fighting machines, there shouldn't be a reason to hold back... And neither should the machines.

Having everyone survive combat time after time is a little contrived, and takes the drama out of it. After all, what is the price of failure? You end up on the floor very tired, and need to spend a few days in bed. Boo-hoo.

Or better yet, you screwed up - and hundreds of people dies. Doesn't always have to be death of the said character.

Meophist

2007-04-04, 21:57

Doesn't that fall under 'good' reason?Not really. Amoral is the lack of morals, not inheritly good nor evil.

Nightengale

2007-04-04, 21:59

Do we really need to stereotype the "evil" villians to those of the lamest proportions? History has shown that bad guys don't have to be "morally ambigious" and be "iredeemably evil" with some sort of lame uber sad past that drives their motivations to be great villians. Besides, evil doesn't neccesarily mean lame reasons to doing so. We don't need bullshit like taking over the world and stuff to make villians evil.

Dio Brando didn't need some sad uber past and a morally ambigious reason to become what is literally JoJo franchise's poster boy. All he needed was charisma, and an ego-complex since to him, humans are like loafs of bread for breakfast. Hadlar didn't need to be remotely good. He just had tons of pride and a sense of a knight's honour in how he do his evil things.

The recent Neuro chapter highlighted my point perfectly. One of the villains said this " You know how villians in stories and movies nowadays aren't really all that evil...They all seem to have some sort of sad reason blah blah blah stuff."

Good writing can easily make evil villians shine.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-04, 22:01

Not really. Amoral is the lack of morals, not inheritly good nor evil.

Ah sorry, I rarely come across that word, so I never memorised it :heh: ...

To have no morals... that means the deed was done on... Instinct? Self gain?

Proto

2007-04-04, 22:03

Wait guys... from what I have read in this thread... do some of you really want another King Hamdo?

raidou

2007-04-04, 22:06

Ah sorry, I rarely come across that word, so I never memorised it :heh: ...

To have no morals... that means the deed was done on... Instinct? Self gain?

It is like missing code of ethics right? so i guess w/e deed done is more of an instinct

Wait guys... from what I have read in this thread... do some of you really want another King Hamdo?

that's a little extreme example of villain.He is more like nuts.Batattack explained it really well

Edit:
like what nightengale said , although i only recognize 4 of those :heh:

Nightengale

2007-04-04, 22:11

Wait guys... from what I have read in this thread... do some of you really want another King Hamdo?

No, we want Dio Brandos, Sa Sakujuns, Bomers, Kuroro Lucifers, Akira Sawakis, Cerberuses, Demon Lord Hadlars...

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-04, 22:22

It is like missing code of ethics right? so i guess w/e deed done is more of an instinct

If thats the case, whoever it is can't really be called a character, let alone a villian...

No, we want Dio Brandos, Sa Sakujuns, Bomers, Kuroro Lucifers, Akira Sawakis, Cerberuses, Demon Lord Hadlars...

... You lost me there :heh:

But for me, the only recent 'good/likable' evil villians I've seen is The Earl from DGM and of course, Light.

Both are evil, but they're not boring, and definitely not stupid.

Meophist

2007-04-04, 22:24

Ah sorry, I rarely come across that word, so I never memorised it :heh: ...

To have no morals... that means the deed was done on... Instinct? Self gain?Could be that the said person simply doesn't know any better/worse. Could be that the person simply doesn't understand morals, or haven't learned any. I'm just kinda hoping that the character in the opening is an amoral character that happens to do evil deeds. I think it could be very interesting, as I doubt even Nanoha will know how to handle it.It is like missing code of ethics right? so i guess w/e deed done is more of an instinctWell, yes, no code of ethics. Doesn't mean that the deed is done on instinct however.

raidou

2007-04-04, 22:27

If thats the case, whoever it is can't really be called a character, let alone a villian...

... You lost me there :heh:

Dio Brandos=Jojo bizzare
Kuroro Lucifers=hunterxhunter
Demon Lord Hadlars=dragon quest
Sakujuns=monogatari

Bloodseeker

2007-04-04, 22:29

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-04, 22:31

Could be that the said person simply doesn't know any better/worse. Could be that the person simply doesn't understand morals, or haven't learned any.

So it's a person that doesn't know whether it's right or wrong, but feels like it's okay to do?

aka, kids... :heh: :rolleyes: :heh:

(Or maybe she was told it's the right thing to do...)

I'm just kinda hoping that the character in the opening is an amoral character that happens to do evil deeds. I think it could be very interesting, as I doubt even Nanoha will know how to handle it.

Nanoha? Beat them down then set them straight... Works all the time.

But jokes aside, that would be interesting...

EDIT:

The death of a bunch of random people that you never get to know isn't really all that impactful...

Not unless you see/smell the bodies. I heard those things are pretty traumatizing ...

EDIT: IF you watched code geass, refer to episode 22.

Loner

2007-04-04, 22:45

BatAttack

2007-04-04, 23:03

So it's a person that doesn't know whether it's right or wrong, but feels like it's okay to do?

aka, kids... :heh: :rolleyes: :heh:

Yah, young children are a good example of humans who are immoral [ edit type: amoral ] - they do gain a sense of morals as they get older, as they are taught them and as they naturally learn them by watching other people.

Also, morals primarily come from a sense of empathy - to be able to feel what another feels. If watching someone suffer causes you distress or discomfort, you cannot be truly amoral.

Another prime category for amoral people is - everyone's favourite - psychopaths and sociopaths. Keep in mind, these people do not have to be murderers, most live out fairly normal lives. It just means things like compassion and other people's feelings to not factor into their decision making - not because they are cruel or sadistic, but because they don't really understand what those feelings are.
Instead, they ape the behaviour of people around them - and are often very good at 'faking' morals or emotions. Psychopaths thrive in competitive office politics environments - there have been some great articles and documentaries about it.

Of course, hollywood movie psychopaths are always sadistic murderers, but that's not a realistic (or fair) portrayal.

Meophist

2007-04-04, 23:12

But jokes aside, that would be interesting...Well, that's my point.So, what you're all really looking for is a Char Aznable or a Magneto (X-Men comics version) - someone who doesn't see THEMSELVES as a villain, but rather as the only person who sees what is necessary and is willing to do it, even if it means taking the responsibility for making the "hard decisions" that the more idealistic, soft hearted "heroes" can't?You've just described the Wolkenritter, which is nice to have for one season, but I don't really want to see it over and over again. I think what the others want is just enough determination to remain the villain.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-04, 23:13

So, what you're all really looking for is a Char Aznable or a Magneto (X-Men comics version) - someone who doesn't see THEMSELVES as a villain, but rather as the only person who sees what is necessary and is willing to do it, even if it means taking the responsibility for making the "hard decisions" that the more idealistic, soft hearted "heroes" can't?

Some how, it doesn't feel right when you used those two as an example... :heh:

But come to think of it, there's not reason why we can't have them all?

we can have a downright rotten to the core bastard, a tragic hero, a desperate girl with a reason she can't fail, a joker who's in this for the fun of it, someone who's just following orders... etc etc.

Meophist

2007-04-04, 23:26

Yah, young children are a good example of humans who are immoral - they do gain a sense of morals as they get older, as they are taught them and as they naturally learn them by watching other people.You're mixing up immoral and amoral. Immoral is knowingly doing something wrong. Amoral is usually not knowing the difference between right and wrong.

BatAttack

2007-04-05, 00:01

You're mixing up immoral and amoral. Immoral is knowingly doing something wrong. Amoral is usually not knowing the difference between right and wrong.

Erm, not mixing up, was a typo. I meant amoral.

Clearly, young children are not immoral, and the rest of what I wrote was also about amorality, not immorality.

Aaron008R

2007-04-05, 02:22

Then... how about a fanatic group? You know, those who refuse to accept any other truth than their own.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-05, 02:48

Then... how about a fanatic group? You know, those who refuse to accept any other truth than their own.

Like the Covenant from Halo :) ?

A group of zealous worshipers going after Logias, believing that they're relicts left by the anicents...

They fall under the Delusional Category.

Furyou Miko

2007-04-05, 05:12

*Chuckles* sounds like the villains from my fanfic, if I ever get around to posting it online.

Something I'm not certain I liked about that episode is that we've already had a tearful "we can do it together"/"I must have faith in myself, so please, believe in me!" scene... over an exam. I'm just hoping Subaru doesn't go into one every time someone grazes their elbow.

I do like Teana, though. >> She reminds me of me, so I guess that was inevitable, but she is cool.

The scene with Rein at the end was so funny though... even though you saw it coming a mile off, she was so cute and the look on their faces was hilarious when the examiner turned out to be less than a foot tall.

Ultima_Rasengan05

2007-04-05, 05:30

Answer:

They haven't officially shown when it occurred yet. Probably, since they bothered to put that into the manga, it'll be a substory that will show up in StrikerS (otherwise, why bother to invent it?). But clearly it had to be after A's (Vita and Nanoha didn't work together during A's) but before the manga.

Hmmm, I thought Reinforce's hair color looked familiar. Maybe her last name is Testarossa? ;)

The city is on the world of Midchilda, which is a major stronghold of the TSAB and apparently where the primary school of magic used by the TSAB originated. There's been no city name given anywhere yet - the whole planet may be one big metropolis, ala Coruscant from Star Wars.

We don't yet know if Nanoha moved her permanent residence off of Earth, but she probably doesn't spend much time there. Earth, as last depicted in A's, is still in it's "pre-contact" phase and, as such, is still under a Prime Directive kind of "hands off" rule as far as the TSAB is concerned. Thus, that's one HECK of a daily commute.

oh ok thanks for the info on Nanoha"s incident
kinda shocking to hear that incident happend after the events of A"s
i guess its a matter of time that they will include that event as a flash back in StrikerS maybe both in the manga and anime!:)

and yea Reinforce II"s seiyuu is the same person who did Tessa from FMP
so i guess its a coincidence:heh: and yea same hair color also:heh:

and i guess we wont know if Nanoha took up residence in that city for good anytime soon since both the manga and anime pretty much just started
but thanks for answering my questions Loner!

and i"ve got a quick question though
was Chrono shown in the opening sequence??
i thought i saw a guy wearing Chrono"s uniform for a second during the opening
and he looks fairly similar to Kyon (maybe Yuuichi since the seiyuu for chrono voiced both Kyon and Yuuichi)
just a thought though:heh: :)

Ottocycle

2007-04-05, 06:22

I've a feeling that incident with Nanoha's injury is going to be crucial towards the story within the episodes..maybe her assailants or whatnot.

And for the question directly above this post, no, Chrono wasn't shown during the OP at all, the only adult male you see in the OP is the helicopter pilot of Mobile Section 6 whose name escapes me at the moment.

Edit: True true, But Griffiths did look kind of Feminine...and there's the unknown technicians too. XD

Skane

2007-04-05, 06:29

I've a feeling that incident with Nanoha's injury is going to be crucial towards the story within the episodes..maybe her assailants or whatnot.

And for the question directly above this post, no, Chrono wasn't shown during the OP at all, the only adult male you see in the OP is the helicopter pilot of Mobile Section 6 whose name escapes me at the moment.
Vice Granscenic (http://www.nanoha.com/character/vice.html)

Cheers.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-05, 06:35

and i"ve got a quick question though
was Chrono shown in the opening sequence??
i thought i saw a guy wearing Chrono"s uniform for a second during the opening
and he looks fairly similar to Kyon (maybe Yuuichi since the seiyuu for chrono voiced both Kyon and Yuuichi)
just a thought though:heh: :)

As much as I would like to denial it, but Chrono isn't in the OP (yet).

After watching it again, the only man that you could have mistaken for Chrono/Kyon/Yuuichi would most probably be this guy...

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6872/snapshot20070405193910cd3.jpg

Am I right? :D

EDIT: Don't you hate it when you think you're the first to answer, only to have two people beat you to the punch because you type slower and was looking for the picture?

EDIT2:
@humbug23
There were 1 other adult male in the Op as well, and I don't mean Zafila... :heh:

Aaron008R

2007-04-05, 07:03

Well then, a change of topic shall we? What other kinds of Super Robot Wars references you guys would like the characters to show later? I personally would like a Rampage Ghost from Tiana and Subaru.

Ottocycle

2007-04-05, 07:19

Can we use Real Robots? XD I hope for a Moonlight Butterfly from Lutecia(Turn-A was in SRW:Alpha Gaiden IIRC)

Having never played SRW in any of its incarnations though, I'd like to see Fate with Zanber Bardiche doing a Daizengar impression(generic ain't it) but that's good enough awesomeness for me I guess...

Aaron008R

2007-04-05, 07:33

Loner

2007-04-05, 08:07

Oh, sure. Sorry, I meant to put in Super Robot Taisen/Wars... <goes on to edit last post>

Well then, forget the big flashy, scream out the name moves. The most devastating attack will obviously be Kusuha teaching Shamal how to make her health drink... :twitch:

Bloodseeker

2007-04-05, 08:07

I've heard that yesy's pretty much the epitome of what comes to mind when you think speedsubbers (correct if I'm wrong there), so I've passed their release up, but how are DGz's subs?

Skane

2007-04-05, 08:11

I've heard that yesy's pretty much the epitome of what comes to mind when you think speedsubbers (correct if I'm wrong there), so I've passed their release up, but how are DGz's subs?
[yesy] are most definitely not speedsubbers. I take it that you have not experienced their previous project, Utawarerumono? [yesy]'s translations are one of the better ones out there.

Cheers.

Bloodseeker

2007-04-05, 08:17

FlareKnight

2007-04-05, 08:46

Glad to see a better quality came out from yesy. They definitely did a nice job with Utawarerumono so things should be fine in that regard.

Poor Chrono, wonder what he said to get himself kicked out of the OP along with Yuuno. On top of it all they get him (engaged/married) to a more minor character in Amy.

On the villan front it would be interesting to see how Nanoha would deal with a enemy that wasn't secretly wishing for a friend.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-05, 09:03

Poor Chrono, wonder what he said to get himself kicked out of the OP along with Yuuno. On top of it all they get him (engaged/married) to a more minor character in Amy.

Think of how Kyon/Yuuichi would've complained...

... Thats probably what he said :p

On the villan front it would be interesting to see how Nanoha would deal with a enemy that wasn't secretly wishing for a friend.

IF, the 'new' girl in the OP is in fact the new villian, then chances are she'll fall into that group.

After all, in MSLN there's no such thing as a evil little girl! :heh:

Nightengale

2007-04-05, 09:04

Was Triad as slow as they usually are when they were releasing the first two seasons of Nanoha?

Triad specifically mentioned that for most parts, the translation job, etc were done for most part, similarly around the time yesy released LQ 1.

But they wanted to wait for a HQ Raw before releasing it.

Bloodseeker

2007-04-05, 09:09

On top of it all they get him (engaged/married) to a more minor character in Amy.

Well its not as if they weren't building up to it during the first two seasons... He was on friendly terms with Fate and Nanoha, but any perception of romance between him and either of those two was obviously just wishful thinking. (Nanoha does deserve better than a trap librarian though... I wonder if Fate is going to get any love interests this season?)

Bloodseeker

2007-04-05, 09:12

Triad specifically mentioned that for most parts, the translation job, etc were done for most part, similarly around the time yesy released LQ 1.

But they wanted to wait for a HQ Raw before releasing it.

Translation is only step one though, right? I know that GG at least can take a good week between translation and actual release, and Triad's infamously slow.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-05, 09:24

Well its not as if they weren't building up to it during the first two seasons...

What build up? The first thing that came to my mind back then was 'siblings'.

(Nanoha does deserve better than a trap librarian though... I wonder if Fate is going to get any love interests this season?)

Anything's possible for the moment.

Tokkan

2007-04-05, 09:39

I've heard that yesy's pretty much the epitome of what comes to mind when you think speedsubbers (correct if I'm wrong there), so I've passed their release up, but how are DGz's subs?

You should broaden your sources of info and opinion because, as Skane said, yesy's anything but what you normally call a speedsubber.

And the moment that Triad said that they weren't using any of official names and spellings, that was it for me with them. I don't support the spread of misinformation, though I can understand that they want to remain consistant and don't like Engrish. I did quite enjoy their subs of the first 2 series, though.

Skane

2007-04-05, 09:51

Nope, haven't seen Utawarerumono. (though I intend to once most of the series comes out on R1 DVD)

I'll wait a few more days to see if they come out with a higher quality release...

Was Triad as slow as they usually are when they were releasing the first two seasons of Nanoha?
You're confusing me here. :heh: On one hand, you don't want them to speedsub, on the other hand, you also don't want them to be "slow". There is a saying for this,

"Free, Fast, Good. Pick Two."
~~~~ ~~~~

Anyway, [yesy] already stated that they will come out with a [HQ] release if they can find a good quality RAW. Besides, this is the first episode. A lot of things need to be done before they get into the groove for the rest of the season, like choice of typesetting, doing the OP karaoke (personally I couldn't care less about this, but it seems to be an important thing to most fansubbers), etc...

The [HQ] releases will come in time. MSLN StrikerS is not some obscure anime that nobody likes. There is a lot of interest in it. I am far more concerned about the translation quality at this point, and it is my deciding factor at this point.

Names for example seem to be a "controversial" point in MSLN, and I am going to favour the groups that follow the official names instead of continuing to blindly follow initial impressions.

ADD]~ And the moment that Triad said that they weren't using any of official names and spellings, that was it for me with them. I don't support the spread of misinformation, though I can understand that they want to remain consistant and don't like Engrish. I did quite enjoy their subs of the first 2 series, though.
Is that so? If so, then I guess I won't be following their releases then. :heh: A mistake is a mistake, whether or not it was unintentional. I believe in respecting the creator's choice of names, no matter what it is, because it is his/her creation, and he/she has the right to name it whatever the heck he/she wants, even if I disagree with it.

If [Triad] really chooses this path, then it wouldn't be a path of consistency in terms of the official naming. I mean really, we have people named Apple and stuff. I even know a few fellow citizens named, "Singapore" ("I am Mr. Singapore from Singapore!" ORZ), so we can't really use "Engrish" as a defence. It happens. Weird naming. All the time.

Hell, even my own name is "weird". Outside of my own family, only one person has had ever managed to pronounce it properly the first time she read it. Which may be one of the reasons why I am so particular about getting the names right, no matter how strange it may seem, because despite having 99.99% of people mispronouncing my name in the way they think it should sound like, I am fiercely proud of how it is meant to be pronounced (and spelt).

Cheers.

Bloodseeker

2007-04-05, 10:07

You're confusing me here. :heh: On one hand, you don't want them to speedsub, on the other hand, you also don't want them to be "slow". There is a saying for this,

"Free, Fast, Good. Pick Two."

I was asking whether yesy was speedsub-quality because I don't want to wait weeks in between episodes and Triad was really slow with their Higurashi release, but if given a choice between waiting and watching a poorly compressed, poorly translated piece of shit, or even just a meh job, I'll take the former.

Anyway, [yesy] already stated that they will come out with a [HQ] release if they can find a good quality RAW. Besides, this is the first episode. A lot of things need to be done before they get into the groove for the rest of the season, like choice of typesetting, doing the OP karaoke (personally I couldn't care less about this, but it seems to be an important thing to most fansubbers), etc...

I never notice the karaoke until somebody point it out. :heh:

The [HQ] releases will come in time. MSLN StrikerS is not some obscure anime that nobody likes. There is a lot of interest in it. I am far more concerned about the translation quality at this point, and it is my deciding factor at this point.

I know. If none of the current groups were doing fast, high quality releases, somebody else would. But that could have been a few weeks off...

Names for example seem to be a "controversial" point in MSLN, and I am going to favour the groups that follow the official names instead of continuing to blindly follow initial impressions.

I just prefer to go with whatever sounds better. (which isn't always necessarily the most accurate or whatever I hear first) Karen sounds more like a girl's name than Kalen, Raging Heart sounds more like the name of a weapon than Raising Heart, Demoned Away sounds better than Spirited Away by Ogres, etc.

Village Idiot

2007-04-05, 10:11

Well its not as if they weren't building up to it during the first two seasons... He was on friendly terms with Fate and Nanoha, but any perception of romance between him and either of those two was obviously just wishful thinking. (Nanoha does deserve better than a trap librarian though... I wonder if Fate is going to get any love interests this season?)

The big reason why fans think Chrono liked Nanoha back in season 1 was due to how shy he was towards Nanoha.

I think that Chrono didn't have any romantic feelings towards Nanoha, its just that Chrono doesn't seem to be good when it comes to people skills. Chrono no doubt joined the TSBA when he was very little and became an Enforcer at a very young age, so with that responsibility, he is no doubt very experienced when it comes to formal meetings with the staff, presenting reports, and command on the battlefield.

But put him in a situation where he has to deal with a civilian acting in a complete non-formal/military manner (and a girl at that), and he just doesn't know how to take it.

And Amy's teasing of him indicates that Chrono really have no real experience when it comes to girls.

Bloodseeker

2007-04-05, 10:14

The big reason why fans think Chrono liked Nanoha back in season 1 was due to how shy he was towards Nanoha.

I think that Chrono didn't have any romantic feelings towards Nanoha, its just that Chrono doesn't seem to be good when it comes to people skills. Chrono no doubt joined the TSBA when he was very little and became an Enforcer at a very young age, so with that responsibility, he is no doubt very experienced when it comes to formal meetings with the staff, presenting reports, and command on the battlefield.

But put him in a situation where he has to deal with a civilian acting in a complete non-formal/military manner (and a girl at that), and he just doesn't know how to take it.

That was the impression that I was under, too.

As for the romantic link between Chrono and Amy, they were always hanging out, and they weren't sibblings, so... I thought that it was obvious by the end of season 1.

Skane

2007-04-05, 10:20

~I just prefer to go with whatever sounds better. (which isn't always necessarily the most accurate or whatever I hear first) Karen sounds more like a girl's name than Kalen, Raging Heart sounds more like the name of a weapon than Raising Heart, Demoned Away sounds better than Spirited Away by Ogres, etc.
I would like to take this opportunity to remind people that despite all the chest-thumping action, hysterical screaming, and overpowered beams of death, MSLN did start out as a "Mahou Shoujo" series (with a twist). :heh: Raising Heart was designed to be a "Magic Wand", not a "Boomstick".

Yes, yes, I know. I am well aware that Raising Heart is more weapon than wand, but the naming convention would have been in line for a wand, which is what Raising Heart is meant to be in conception.

It can be taken to be a subversion of a cliché, in that such a "terrible" weapon has such a "sweet" name. The direct counterpart to this subversion would be Dai Mahou Touge (another perversion of the "Mahou Shoujo" genre, in a more... extreme way :heh:), in which the wand IS named after a weapon.

"Lyrical Tokarev. KILL THEM ALL!"

Cheers.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-05, 10:23

That was the impression that I was under, too.

As for the romantic link between Chrono and Amy, they were always hanging out, and they weren't sibblings, so... I thought that it was obvious by the end of season 1.

'Hanging out' doesn't equal to 'romance'.

Yes they weren't siblings, I meant that they acted like they were. I haven't seen any strong romantic interaction with the two of them during the two seasons. They both were very professional with their work.

Hair combing and stealing drink doesn't count either, me and my brother (attempts to) steal each other food all the time, I wasn't very close to my sister, but combing her hair isn't anything strange.

Nightengale

2007-04-05, 10:30

'Hanging out' doesn't equal to 'romance'.

Yes they weren't siblings, I meant that they acted like they were. I haven't seen any strong romantic interaction with the two of them during the two seasons. They both were very professional with their work.

Hair combing and stealing drink doesn't count either, me and my brother (attempts to) steal each other food all the time, I wasn't very close to my sister, but combing her hair isn't anything strange.

Well, frankly...(( this is so hard to type, for the same reasons as yours ))

I felt that the moment Fate is mentioned for adoption, Amy and Chrono were a sealed deal. No questions asked. True, I'll agree that Amy and Chrono's dynamics were a lot like siblings, but that's the way the kind of easy-going-oneesan x stiff-inexperienced-shota goes around with their relationship. Maybe I've watched too many animes, but Amy/Chrono were so obvious in their pace that it pained me. That's half the reason I couldn't rewatch A's more than once.

Village Idiot

2007-04-05, 10:31

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-05, 10:34

Well, frankly...(( this is so hard to type, for the same reasons as yours ))

I felt that the moment Fate is mentioned for adoption, Amy and Chrono were a sealed deal. No questions asked. True, I'll agree that Amy and Chrono's dynamics were a lot like siblings, but that's the way the kind of easy-going-oneesan x stiff-inexperienced-shota goes around with their relationship. Maybe I've watched too many animes, but Amy/Chrono were so obvious in their pace that it pained me. That's half the reason I couldn't rewatch A's more than once.

Fate's adoption makes me feel weird inside, but at that time I wasn't shipping, so I didn't think too much about it.

But because Amy and Chrono was TOO much like siblings, I couldn't see any underlining hints... At ALL, the pairing NEVER once occured to me.

EDIT:

The way I saw it, back in Nanoha/A's, the fact that all-business Chrono acted that way indicated that their relationship was beyond merely a commander/subordinate-type relationship. They were at the very least close friends.

Exactly.

Bloodseeker

2007-04-05, 10:35

I would like to take this opportunity to remind people that despite all the chest-thumping action, hysterical screaming, and overpowered beams of death, MSLN did start out as a "Mahou Shoujo" series (with a twist). :heh: Raising Heart was designed to be a "Magic Wand", not a "Boomstick".

Yes, yes, I know. I am well aware that Raising Heart is more weapon than wand, but the naming convention would have been in line for a wand, which is what Raising Heart is meant to be in conception.

It can be taken to be a subversion of a cliché, in that such a "terrible" weapon has such a "sweet" name. The direct counterpart to this subversion would be Dai Mahou Touge (another perversion of the "Mahou Shoujo" genre, in a more... extreme way :heh:), in which the wand IS named after a weapon.

"Lyrical Tokarev. KILL THEM ALL!"

Cheers.

Don't really care... Raging Heart just sounds better.

'Hanging out' doesn't equal to 'romance'.

Yes they weren't siblings, I meant that they acted like they were. I haven't seen any strong romantic interaction with the two of them during the two seasons. They both were very professional with their work.

Hair combing and stealing drink doesn't count either, me and my brother (attempts to) steal each other food all the time, I wasn't very close to my sister, but combing her hair isn't anything strange.

Right, they acted close, and they were always hanging out. I dunno, I wasn't focussing all that much on Chrono's love interests, but I remember it being pretty obvious to me early on.

Village Idiot

2007-04-05, 10:39

Granted there was a 6 year gap between the end of A's to when Chrono/Amy got together, who knows what happened during that time?

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-05, 10:42

Granted there was a 6 year gap between the end of A's to when Chrono/Amy got together, who knows what happened during that time?

It's still quite a bomb to drop... Speaking for just myself of course, being the 'non-seeing' one and all...

LoweGear

2007-04-05, 10:59

Or a "non-believer" :heh:

Granted there was a 6 year gap between the end of A's to when Chrono/Amy got together, who knows what happened during that time?

I don't know whether it's the wording, or the context, but that just sounds so... wrong :eyebrow:

johnjefferson3

2007-04-05, 11:16

i mean even i fighured out that chrono was attracted to amy even before a's was even fishing but when you see them in the last 5 minute part of the last epsiode of A's how even more beuatufil they both grown up and they were even closer since they were allways together, so i allready knew even before stikers was even announced that they would have allready been married by now, and then to have 2 kids in just 3 years too is just a bouns!!!!!! and if you look at it from amy's view she probley wanted to marry someone is was going to far in the TSAB, i mean his father was an amerial, then when he died, his mother then became an admiral, and then learning everything from them both and from learning things from the TSAB school and the lizite twin familars, he had the best education in the TSAB period, he was going to become an admiral by defualt, no brainer there, so it was allready decieded by the common actions of both amy and chrono's life, i am afraid this is one of the worst kept secrets in the anime world, i mean thiere was no chance in hell of these two being with someone else, i know most anime fans always look for twists and turns but most of the times, things are just out in the open where everyone just has to open their eyes and see it right in front of their faces!!!!!!!!

Xellos-_^

2007-04-05, 11:37

Skane

2007-04-05, 11:42

MILF-Fate X Oneesan-Nanoha FOREVER :p

any other pairing will disregarded and unacknowledge by all Nanaho fans.
Alas, you are not representative of ALL Nanoha fans. :heh:

Cheers. ;)

Nightengale

2007-04-05, 11:52

MILF-Fate X Oneesan-Nanoha FOREVER :p

any other pairing will disregarded and unacknowledge by all Nanaho fans.

There may be only 300 of us Heterotans compared to the hundreds of thousands of your kind, but we are mighty, and do not falter to majority.

Your threat doesn't scare us.:p

DJ_RockmanX

2007-04-05, 12:25

There may be only 300 of us Heterotans compared to the hundreds of thousands of your kind, but we are mighty, and do not falter to majority.

Your threat doesn't scare us.:p

What is this, Sparta? :twitch:

mist2123

2007-04-05, 12:27

:heh: :heh: What is this, Sparta? :twitch:

THE 300--- they die at the end LOL:heh:

Thisguy

2007-04-05, 12:38

The big reason why fans think Chrono liked Nanoha back in season 1 was due to how shy he was towards Nanoha.Actually, the reason for that would be because Nanoha and Chrono actually got togather in "original story" (for that I mean that sub-scenarios in Triangle Heart).
We do know how far the anime version is from that original version by now, but still their relation did exist in there.
That's why many fans thought that anime may choose the same path, especially those old-fans that played the game.

Well, as for me, I'm all for even a slightest bit of Yuuno's appearance... :heh:

Xellos-_^

2007-04-05, 12:44

There may be only 300 of us Heterotans compared to the hundreds of thousands of your kind, but we are mighty, and do not falter to majority.

Your threat doesn't scare us.:p

Our name is Legion: for we are many

We will crush your puny 300 :D

*rep points for the first to get the ref i made

Nightengale

2007-04-05, 12:55

Our name is Legion: for we are many

We will crush your puny 300 :D

The Gospel?

Regardless, twas a joke. Let's not derail this into a chatty-ish talk and go on a war on differing opinions. It's what makes each of us special anyway.

Kikaifan

2007-04-05, 14:33

Fate is actually rather inflexible. She is incredibly weak at long range against mobile targets and concentrates the most upon her strong close to medium range attacks.

Her linear movement, both in her own and her attack's, is something that leans towards predictability. This is also one of the reasons why she is weak at long range. Changing directions to avoid attacks is more effective the closer one is to his/her opponent, and linear attacks at such range are much easier to avoid. Linear attacks are most effective at medium range, where they can most take advantage of thier increased speed and ranged capability but without having to deal with their relatively predictable flight path.

Nanoha has divine/accel shooter for skirmish, divine buster for heavy attack and sniping, excelion buster for heavier attack, and starlight breaker for ultrahard immobile targets. In other words, she has one skirmishing attack and a progression of increasingly powerful beam attacks. That's it. That's predictable. And what's more linear than a bunch of beams?

Signum's even worse. She has one non-weapon attack, storm wave, that looks to have pretty limited range. Her ranged attacks are powerful but slow and useless for skirmishing. Pretty much all she's got is 'blow them apart with her bow or beat them to death in CC.'

Fate has both light skirmishing spells and heavy and ultraheavy beams (they may be worse than Nanoha's but they still allow her to fill that tactical niche for long-range attacks capable of defeating most enemies' defenses). She has an entire category of intermediate-role spells, heavy projectiles like thunder blade and phalanx shift, that're only used by her and Chrono, and wide-area attacks like thunder rage. She may be specialized in CC, but she's passable at everything. In terms of flexibility she's exceeded only by Chrono with his addition of useful binds to the mix.

As far as her movement style goes she's plenty good at making an indirect approach. Her best attacks on Signum were made by circling around behind and above her while she was dealing with projectiles.

Our name is Legion: for we are many

We will crush your puny 300 :D

*rep points for the first to get the ref i made

"Our yurilolis will blot out the sun!"

Oh, you meant the legion thing. I thought 300 seemed too easy. That's really extensively-used though. I'm just gonna pick my favorite and go with... hm... the Chaos Space Marines. It's originally from the Gospel of Mark though.

Wikipedia says 5:9.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-05, 17:34

i mean even i fighured out that chrono was attracted to amy even before a's was even fishing but when you see them in the last 5 minute part of the last epsiode of A's how even more beuatufil they both grown up and they were even closer since they were allways together,

So far, none of you have given a reason other than you see them together. And I would like to point out that tons of anime have a male and female 'seen together alot' but aren't couples.

, i mean thiere was no chance in hell of these two being with someone else, i know most anime fans always look for twists and turns but most of the times, things are just out in the open where everyone just has to open their eyes and see it right in front of their faces!!!!!!!!

I'm not attempting to twist, if it's there it's there. But my problem is that I can't see it!!!

Go on, point out a scene.

P.S - Somehow, I would like to think that there's more than 300 of us out there...

Meophist

2007-04-05, 18:41

Nanoha has divine/accel shooter for skirmish, divine buster for heavy attack and sniping, excelion buster for heavier attack, and starlight breaker for ultrahard immobile targets. In other words, she has one skirmishing attack and a progression of increasingly powerful beam attacks. That's it. That's predictable. And what's more linear than a bunch of beams?Beams are more flexible and faster than linear projectiles, and become a much better form of ranged attack at longer ranges. Divine/Accel Shooter by itself offers more variety than any of Fate's spells.Signum's even worse. She has one non-weapon attack, storm wave, that looks to have pretty limited range. Her ranged attacks are powerful but slow and useless for skirmishing. Pretty much all she's got is 'blow them apart with her bow or beat them to death in CC.' Signum also has the Snake form of her weapon, which makes her very formidable in short-mid to medium range combat. Although slow, she is still fast enough to dodge some attacks, and is also very capable of blocking attacks.

The nature of Signum makes it so that she doesn't have to move much, and instead force movement upon her opponent.Fate has both light skirmishing spells and heavy and ultraheavy beams (they may be worse than Nanoha's but they still allow her to fill that tactical niche for long-range attacks capable of defeating most enemies' defenses). She has an entire category of intermediate-role spells, heavy projectiles like thunder blade and phalanx shift, that're only used by her and Chrono, and wide-area attacks like thunder rage. She may be specialized in CC, but she's passable at everything. In terms of flexibility she's exceeded only by Chrono with his addition of useful binds to the mix.Her spells are rather specialized, and because of this, she doesn't adapt well to changing distances between herself and her opponent. At fixed distances, she's very effective. In between these distances, not so much.As far as her movement style goes she's plenty good at making an indirect approach. Her best attacks on Signum were made by circling around behind and above her while she was dealing with projectiles.There's alot of tricks Fate can utilize to make her seem less predictible. However, she's still more predictable compared to most other characters.

As for your example, yes, Fate can take advantage of indirect approaches due to her high speed. She is still taking advantage of her high-speed linear movement, but disallowed her opponent from taking advantage of the predictability of such movement by placing an attack to distract her. It's an extremely common(yet effective) tactic.

In any case, what are we arguing about? Can you point out exactly what you disagree with before presenting arguements for your case?

dkellis

2007-04-05, 18:56

Given the series' propensity to suddenly have a character pull out a new and unexpected attack from nowhere (I mean, really; until those scenes in A's, who expected Signum to have the Storm Falcon bow, or Fate to have the sword form for Bardiche, or for Raising Heart to be able to turn into a spear?), I'm not sure if it's even possible to compare how versatile people are in the Nanoha-verse.

Even in the first episode of StrikerS, there was nothing to indicate that Teana could turn people invisible or make illusory clones of herself, until the moment came. I"m expecting to encounter even more surprises as the show goes on.

We may even see Yuuno pull out a huge beam attack or something and make us all go O_O.

EDIT:

The [HQ] releases will come in time. MSLN StrikerS is not some obscure anime that nobody likes. There is a lot of interest in it. I am far more concerned about the translation quality at this point, and it is my deciding factor at this point.

I'm not sure, fansub trends have surprised me at times.

I mean, we had a zillion fansubbers for Bleach, but only a.f.k. for Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya.

Woden

2007-04-05, 19:46

So far, none of you have given a reason other than you see them together. And I would like to point out that tons of anime have a male and female 'seen together alot' but aren't couples.

While personally enjoying other pairings a bit more, I would have to say that the Ami and Chrono scenes are a bit more than just being "seen together." We have the hair brush scene, which COULD be explained by other factors. Chrono and Ami do seem to spend a lot of time together, and they have the whole "knew each other in school" thing that Japan seems to like so much. There's also that scene with the juice in A's, which seems a bit too strange to be just two friends sitting next to each other. Chrono also seems a bit more open around Ami.

Then again, who knows. Hopefully something will show up detailing things a bit more.

Kikaifan

2007-04-05, 20:06

In any case, what are we arguing about? Can you point out exactly what you disagree with before presenting arguements for your case?

I disagree that Fate is inflexible. I think after Chrono (who trained her after all) and YnS (who is stupidly powerful in all roles) she is the most flexible.

Meophist

2007-04-05, 20:35

I disagree that Fate is inflexible. I think after Chrono (who trained her after all) and YnS (who is stupidly powerful in all roles) she is the most flexible.I guess inflexible was the wrong word to use. What I meant was not exactly that.

She performs well at very specific ranges, but more poorly outside of those ranges. Nanoha is comparatively flexible in that she can perform well at any range. Fate, however, can quickly move into her more stronger ranges to offset this disadvantage. However, she still has difficulty attacking from these ranges.

In terms of variety of spells, Fate is very flexible. I can agree on this part. I just don't believe this translates into positional flexibility.

Chi-no

2007-04-05, 21:11

Well in the anime itself, a character has it advantage and disadvantage. A long ranged attacking personel will be weak in short range attack. Whereas a short range attacking personel is weaker in long range type. :D

You can't really have both advantage. From my point of view, Nanoha belongs to the far range attacks type while Fate will be most likely in the short range type. Though they both have short and long range attacks type... That's just my thoughts ... ;)

By whatever the reason, I would be expecting quite a few things from this StrikerS... Though the 1st esp. is mainly on the intro of new characters, Am not too disappointed with the storyline till now.:)

Ultima_Rasengan05

2007-04-06, 00:30

As much as I would like to denial it, but Chrono isn't in the OP (yet).

After watching it again, the only man that you could have mistaken for Chrono/Kyon/Yuuichi would most probably be this guy...

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6872/snapshot20070405193910cd3.jpg

Am I right? :D

EDIT: Don't you hate it when you think you're the first to answer, only to have two people beat you to the punch because you type slower and was looking for the picture?

EDIT2:
@humbug23
There were 1 other adult male in the Op as well, and I don't mean Zafila... :heh:

yes yes thats the guy
so it isn"t Chrono??
that sucks:(
cool screenshot by the way
and he does look like Yuuichi
:heh:

Meophist

2007-04-06, 00:56

Well in the anime itself, a character has it advantage and disadvantage. A long ranged attacking personel will be weak in short range attack. Whereas a short range attacking personel is weaker in long range type. :D Well, yes, all characters do have advantages and disadvantages. That doesn't mean that the specific advantage and disadvantage has to do with close/long range. It's possible for it to be something else.You can't really have both advantage. From my point of view, Nanoha belongs to the far range attacks type while Fate will be most likely in the short range type. Though they both have short and long range attacks type... That's just my thoughts ... ;)Chrono seems very effective at all ranges. His weakness is in the fact that he doesn't seem particularly fast nor powerful. He often relies on deception and manipulation to win encounters.

Shadow Angel

2007-04-06, 03:21

One thing I'd like to, see this season though it won't happen is a rematch between both Fate and Signum.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-06, 03:51

One thing I'd like to, see this season though it won't happen is a rematch between both Fate and Signum.

Sure it would :)

Once Signum gets fed up with babysitting Elio and Carol...

Skyfall

2007-04-06, 05:53

:heh: :heh:

THE 300--- they die at the end LOL:heh:

Not before dragging thousands down with them ;)

Skane

2007-04-06, 05:57

Not before dragging thousands down with them ;)
Plus, they're the ones who get remembered, and their side won the war in the end. :p ;)

"Tonight, we post in Hell!"

:heh:

Aaron008R

2007-04-06, 06:01

One thing I'd like to, see this season though it won't happen is a rematch between both Fate and Signum.

Why stop there? Why not a 'friendly' sparring session for old times sake? Like that last time the Mid-mages versus the Belka-knights clashed. Can't see anything wrong there. Except for a broken training room, and adjacent rooms, and, :dots: Ahaha... Well, maybe we could avoid putting more than two AAA+ or above mage in one sparring session.:heh:
But with jokes aside, I'd really like to see some one-on-one sparring matches from the old cast. It really bugs me that they didn't animate the Fate-Chrono and the above mentioned match.

Darco_emp

2007-04-06, 08:02

Why stop there? Why not a 'friendly' sparring session for old times sake? Like that last time the Mid-mages versus the Belka-knights clashed. Can't see anything wrong there. Except for a broken training room, and adjacent rooms, and, :dots: Ahaha... Well, maybe we could avoid putting more than two AAA+ or above mage in one sparring session.:heh:
But with jokes aside, I'd really like to see some one-on-one sparring matches from the old cast. It really bugs me that they didn't animate the Fate-Chrono and the above mentioned match.

As much as I want to see a team Vs team battle like Mid-Mages vs Belka, When considering the damages that will pile up from such training session chills my bones.

With 4 mages at S rank or above in the old cast, when pit against each other, I bet you will see large landscapes wiped from the map. Since I doubt TASB would allow the gang to use training rooms for all the work out they wanted to do...:heh:

But if we get a mock battle that pit say Star team against Lighting, that will make me very happy.:D

Demon Eyes

2007-04-06, 08:15

I listened to the Magami Striker S Sound Stage and Hayate asked if Nanoha and Fate were 'love-love'...

Hilarity ensued...I LOL'd.

If only there were translations for this *Sniffs*.

All the good stuff is in Audio....

And Oh Yeah...It explained where Arf was.

Hayate asked about it from Fate but sadly I don't understand what's being said.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-06, 08:28

But if we get a mock battle that pit say Star team against Lighting, that will make me very happy.:D

Yeah, that would be more likely than having the old cast going at it with each other...

The members of each team are pretty even out anyway...

Forward Star
Nanoha: S+
Vita: AAA+
Subaru: B
Teana: B

Forward Lightning
Fate: S+
Signum: S-
Eilo: B
Carol: C+

... As usual, Hayate would be the judge, sitting safely in the next building or something...

Darco_emp

2007-04-06, 08:44

... As usual, Hayate would be the judge, sitting safely in the next building or something...

Unless the "next building" have really really really nice shields I don't think you can feel safe next to any training area that Nanoha is in :heh: .

If does indeed happen I hope I cansee the new stars scramble for shelter after Nanoha starts pulling out the heavy hitters. :heh:

Skane

2007-04-06, 09:00

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-06, 09:03

Aaron008R

2007-04-06, 09:56

Subaru (with tears of admiration in her eyes): "Na-Nanoha. You really are the best Mage after-"
Vita: "Oh sh- CUT THE MIKES!"

*BOOM!*

Hayate (emerging from a crater whilst smiling): "Na~no~ha! Let's duel!"
Vita: "Subaru... have I ever mentioned how much I really, really want to strangle you sometimes?"
Teana: "You too?"
Subaru: "Eh?!"
~~~~ ~~~~

;)

:eek: Good sir, you just sealed the deal for another Mid-mages versus Belka-knights duel. Sooo, the scenario would be the Knights (with Signum and Vita of course!) would then side with Hayate, Fate and the rookies would side with Nanoha. Chrono, Arf and Yuuno would come to cool things up but get involved anyway, Hayate would also then gather her taskforce...... It's time to say goodbye to that particular area of the galaxy.:help:

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-06, 10:20

:eek: Good sir, you just sealed the deal for another Mid-mages versus Belka-knights duel. Sooo, the scenario would be the Knights (with Signum and Vita of course!) would then side with Hayate, Fate and the rookies would side with Nanoha. Chrono, Arf and Yuuno would come to cool things up but get involved anyway, Hayate would also then gather her taskforce...... It's time to say goodbye to that particular area of the galaxy.:help:

Lets see, on one side we have... (Using Skane's Scenario...)

Nanoha
Yuuno: Because Nanoha is on this side
Subaru: Because Nanoha is on this side
Fate: Because Signum is on the other side
Arf: Because Fate is on this side
Elio: Because Fate is on this side
Carol: Because Fate and Elio are on this side
Chrono: Because Fate/Nanoha/Hayate/Rein/Subaru/Elio/Carol/Arf/Acous dragged him into this.

On the other side, we have...

Hayate
Reinforce Zwei
Signum: Because Fate is on the other side
Vita: Because Nanoha is on the other side
Teana: Because Subaru is on the other side
Zafila: Because Hayate is on this side, and maybe cause Arf is on the other
Shamal: Because Hayate is on this side
Acous: Because Hayate is on this side and Chrono is on the other.

As for the Judges, We'll have Carim and Ginga!

... Place your bets people! :D

Skane

2007-04-06, 10:29

Ah, nono. :heh: It's meant to be 1v1, because Hayate wants to show Subaru why she is ranked higher than Nanoha. :heh:

Cheers.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-06, 10:32

Ah, nono. :heh: It's meant to be 1v1, because Hayate wants to show Subaru why she is ranked higher than Nanoha. :heh:

Cheers.

Yeahhhh... Thats what Signum and Fate wanted at first in the Post A's manga... Look how that turned out :D

Woden

2007-04-06, 11:03

Yeah, if we assume that the same basic structure is there that there was in A's it would end up being a tie. It's also completely possible that Nanoha didn't take the test, due to being wounded. It would also explain why Fate is at the same rank, as it states that she failed a couple tests while Nanoha was wounded. This is also assuming that the rank system is tied into the strength system.

In all fairness, we can't really have this match happen. If Reinforce Zwei is removed from the picture, then she doesn't have her device (if we can correctly infer that Reinforce is linked to the device as it seemed in the A's epilogue). She'd only reach her full potential (bright hair and blue eyes) through the use of the unison device. As this would add to the amount of participants in the fight, it wouldn't be allowed. In a straight one on one fight, Nanoha would probably win due to not needing to merge with a device. In a straight fight in which Nanoha and Hayate fight at full strength, Hayate would probably win due to sheer strength.

What makes it tricky is the issue of tactics and luck. Nanoha was technically weaker than Fate during the first series, yet she still won. Now both Fate and Nanoha are ranked the same.

Hayate states that there is an exception for users of ancient Velka in the command test, so we can't assume that her ranking truly reflects on her might.

Skane

2007-04-06, 11:11

Woden

2007-04-06, 11:29

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-06, 11:32

LoweGear

2007-04-06, 11:36

Well, the fact that they gave Hayate and Reinforce seperate mage ranking, doesn't it suggest that the two of them could work seperately?

Also, even if that's not the case, they could just pick Carim to fill in the extra slot.

Rein certainly can cast her own spells, albeit the only spells we've seen out of her so far are Frozen Bind and those marshmallow things :heh: Although her first spell certainly gives an indication as to her combat power. She'll be quite the versatile character, since she can work WITH Hayate, or IN her ala Fusion :D

... why is it so hard to think of StrikerS now without at least ONE mecha reference?

Woden

2007-04-06, 11:40

Yes, but we know that Hayate enters her full strength through her unison device.

It is also quite likely that the TSAB tests are designed for the kinds of magic used by Nanoha and Fate. If this is correct, it would not be designed to handle ancient velka-type magic. Given the little we know about ancient velka, we can tell it works differently. The test isn't designed with the idea of one of the three ancient velka users in existence to be taking it, and as such it would be easier to take. We can't decide who would win in a fight based on that scale until more details come out.

Edit: It would seem that I need to stop posting without quoting what I'm reffering to.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-06, 11:44

Woden

2007-04-06, 11:47

Okay, how we take them out of a test room and into the outdoors, that would solve the problem of having to worry about damaging property, right?

Yet then we have no basis for our assumptions, having only seen two attacks from Hayate and with only OP attacks after the ten year jump. Even then, we only have those for Fate and Nanoha.

LoweGear

2007-04-06, 11:49

Okay, how about we take them out of the test room and into the outdoors, that would solve the problem of having to worry about damaging property, right?

(Edit for grammar error :heh:)

And since we can't use that scale, then use your biasiness and personal judgment to guess who would win =)

Unfortunately, there is still the problem of WHERE to have them duke it out, without worry of harming innocent continents and planets :p :D

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-06, 11:50

Yet then we have no basis for our assumptions, having only seen two attacks from Hayate and with only OP attacks after the ten year jump. Even then, we only have those for Fate and Nanoha.

It is at this point, where I noticed your signature...

Unfortunately, there is still the problem of WHERE to have them duke it out, without worry of harming innocent continents and planets

I'm sure there's plenty of lifeless planets out there... if not, they could just head out to that place where Nanoha first used the Divine Buster extension... That looks like a nice spot...

Skane

2007-04-06, 11:53

We don't really know what happened in the post-A's clash. All we can really assume is that if you toss the TSAB mages against the Wolkenritter and Hayate, you will end up with Nanoha, Fate, and Hayate laughing together with everyone else in jumbled mess around them.

The post-A's clash doesn't support either side. Also, we can't really assume what armaments were being wielded there. We have nothing at this time that says that Reinforce Zwei didn't exist, merely that she was not shown. There are too many unknowns to make any decision based on that fight.
Reinforce-Zwei wasn't "made" yet during the timeline of the A's manga. Simply put, she didn't exist then. Reinforce-Zwei(R-Zwei) was only first shown in the first timeskip (exactly when she was created is not yet known).

Additionally, it is pretty easy to know whether Hayate has merged with R-Zwei. Her hair colour will change from brown to white (reference from the A's to StrikerS manga). :heh: This was already shown in the A's series. When Hayate was fused with Reinforce I, she was white-haired. When she transformed during the timeskip though, she was brown-haired (she only summoned R-Zwei, not fused with her).

During that clash, everybody but the trio was already more or less knocked out (see the preceding pages). The trio were already the final ones standing, and as Fate and Nanoha were readying their combination attack, Hayate countered with her own spell (whilst still brown-haired! So no R-Zwei was involved here).

In conclusion, Hayate can at least match Fate & Nanoha combined in terms of power. How she fares though... with R-Zwei fusion, is still left to speculation. :D

Cheers.

Woden

2007-04-06, 11:54

It is at this point, where I noticed your signature...

Wait, people notice it when I seem to be doing well in an argument for once but not when I'm being massacred by people with facts? I made sure that it still gave people a chance to be wrong, it just doesn't seem to happen too often these days.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-06, 11:59

Wait, people notice it when I seem to be doing well in an argument for once but not when I'm being massacred by people with facts? I made sure that it still gave people a chance to be wrong, it just doesn't seem to happen too often these days.

I do agree that we can't judge on who would win (yet).

Then again, I didn't have any intention other than to see some interesting ideas from other people. (And for giggles) So you might be taking it too seriously... :heh:

Also, to no one in particular, remember that it is a 'team' battle, that means just because Nanoha, Fate and Hayate carry the biggest guns, doesn't mean the rest of them are useless...

Woden

2007-04-06, 12:00

Reinforce-Zwei wasn't "made" yet during the timeline of the A's manga. Simply put, she didn't exist then. Reinforce-Zwei(R-Zwei) was only first shown in the first timeskip (exactly when she was created is not yet known).

Additionally, it is pretty easy to know whether Hayate has merged with R-Zwei. Her hair colour will change from brown to white (reference from the A's to StrikerS manga). :heh: This was already shown in the A's series. When Hayate was fused with Reinforce I, she was white-haired. When she transformed during the timeskip though, she was brown-haired (she only summoned R-Zwei, not fused with her).

During that clash, everybody but the trio was already more or less knocked out (see the preceding pages). The trio were already the final ones standing, and as Fate and Nanoha were readying their combination attack, Hayate countered with her own spell (whilst still brown-haired! So no R-Zwei was involved here).

In conclusion, Hayate can at least match Fate & Nanoha combined in terms of power. How she fares though... with R-Zwei fusion, is still left to speculation. :D

Cheers.

I never said that Reinforce Zwei was used in that match. Also, if you are going to claim that scene (which I admit I thought work at bit differently) as evidence you must admit that that was one attack. We also don't know how many people participated in that attack. To me, it would appear that Hayate came out worse of that attack. It is also still, one attack. That scene is far from conclusive.

Then again, I didn't have any intention other than to see some interesting ideas from other people. (And for giggles) So you might be taking it too seriously... :heh:

I take everything too seriously.

Skane

2007-04-06, 12:05

I never said that Reinforce Zwei was used in that match. Also, if you are going to claim that scene (which I admit I thought work at bit differently) as evidence you must admit that that was one attack. We also don't know how many people participated in that attack. To me, it would appear that Hayate came out worse of that attack. It is also still, one attack. That scene is far from conclusive.
I guess the only way to settle this decisively is to demand for a 1v1 match between Hayate an Nanoha in the anime. :heh:

I take everything too seriously.
Oh believe me when I say this. Compared to some other members, you are a relaxed Jamaican. :heh:

Cheers.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-06, 12:07

@Woden
YYYeahh, figures as much :)

I guess the only way to settle this decisively is to demand for a 1v1 match between Hayate an Nanoha in the anime. :heh:

Bah! I say go for broke!

8-man team battle royal! What could possibly go wrong?

Woden

2007-04-06, 12:10

Skane

2007-04-06, 12:10

~ Bah! I say go for broke!

8-man team battle royal! What could possibly go wrong?
Other than the fact that we still won't have a definite answer on who is the better mage between Hayate and Nanoha? :p

Natch.

Woden

2007-04-06, 12:12

I'd be more concerned about the destruction of the universe, myself...

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-06, 12:13

We'd need probably need several duels between Nanoha and ANYONE to get a true idea of who is stronger. Predictions would be that in a series of three (not best of), Nanoha loses by one. In a series of four, a tie. In a series of five, it's anyone's game.

Thats what the official mage ranking is for, to give an idea about the power level of the characters.

Of course, there are several factors other than skill and magic potential, but those rankings are a general total.

EDIT:

Other than the fact that we still won't have a definite answer on who is the better mage between Hayate and Nanoha? :p

It'll all work out somehow... :)

I'd be more concerned about the destruction of the universe, myself...

I'm sure they have learnt to restrain themselves...

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Ahh~ who am I kidding. Still, I wouldn't miss it for anything :D

Woden

2007-04-06, 12:18

Thats what the official mage ranking is for, to give an idea about the power level of the characters.

Of course, there are several factors other than skill and magic potential, but those rankings are a general total.

This again, huh? Assuming that the test model in the A's manga is still in use, that only gives us ONE event. I've already made my attacks against the mage ranking system, you can view them in full about a page back.

As the TSAB currently consists almost exclusively of mages using magic based off of Mid-type magic, the test would not take into account that Hayate uses a different form of magic. This makes the test much less reliable, and cannot be used properly for the purposes of this comparison. Taking into account that those who use ancient Velka-type magic actually gain an exception against something, those tests are currently useless when it comes to comparing Hayate and Nanoha.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-06, 12:25

It is also quite likely that the TSAB tests are designed for the kinds of magic used by Nanoha and Fate. If this is correct, it would not be designed to handle ancient velka-type magic. Given the little we know about ancient velka, we can tell it works differently. The test isn't designed with the idea of one of the three ancient velka users in existence to be taking it, and as such it would be easier to take. We can't decide who would win in a fight based on that scale until more details come out.

This?

That test model for A's for Fate is for a AAA rank mage, and as we could tell from the 1st episode of StrikerS, different ranks have different test.

I don't usually like to use this card, but the information of the ranks were given to us from the writers, which probably means that THIS is what they decide the power level of the character should be.

Yes, I see your point, but as lazy and easy as it sounds, just take their word for it.

Aaron008R

2007-04-06, 12:26

Then who're you guys betting on to win on a one at a time match against everyone? My money is on Chrono, or Hayate. I'm using my biasness and personal judgement.:D

Woden

2007-04-06, 12:30

This?

That test model for A's for Fate is for a AAA rank mage, and as we could tell from the 1st episode of StrikerS, different ranks have different test.

I don't usually like to use this card, but the information of the ranks were given to us from the writers, which probably means that THIS is what they decide the power level of the character should be.

Yes, I see your point, but as lazy and easy as it sounds, just take their word for it.

Sorry, I don't play the game that way. While it would be nice and easy to just say "so it was, so it shall be", the writers themselves provide too many circumstances for me to just give it up there.

That, and I just like to argue too much.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-06, 13:23

Then who're you guys betting on to win on a one at a time match against everyone? My money is on Chrono, or Hayate. I'm using my biasness and personal judgement.:D

Chrono for his wits, and Hayate for her sheer firepower :) ?

Sorry, I don't play the game that way. While it would be nice and easy to just say "so it was, so it shall be", the writers themselves provide too many circumstances for me to just give it up there.

That, and I just like to argue too much.

Okay, then lets see the facts.

The rank was given 10 years after Hayate joined the TSAB. During that time, in least the first 6 years, they have met Acous and Carim, who both also use the same type of magic.

From there, time jumps ahead for 4 years. Within that 4 years I can assume that TSAB would have worked with the three users on multiple occasions.

All in all, don't you think that 10 years would have given them more than enough time to research about Velka magic? So much so that it's possible for them to come up with suitable tests for Velka type users, new AND old?

Edit: Brb after 6+ hours...Need to sleep...

Woden

2007-04-06, 13:52

Okay, then lets see the facts.

The rank was given 10 years after Hayate joined the TSAB. During that time, in least the first 6 years, they have met Acous and Carim, who both also use the same type of magic.

From there, time jumps ahead for 4 years. Within that 4 years I can assume that TSAB would have worked with the three users on multiple occasions.

All in all, don't you think that 10 years would have given them more than enough time to research about Velka magic? So much so that it's possible for them to come up with suitable tests for Velka type users, new AND old?

Edit: Brb after 6+ hours...Need to sleep...

Except that it's a grand total of three users against who knows how many. Tests have been adapted for the modern Velka-type, but that's just a Mid-type imitation if other posts I've read are correct. You don't change a system for a grand total of three people. If you notice, the tests aren't separated by magic type. During the A's to StrikerS part of the manga, it is clearly stated that the only known remaining ancient Velka-type users are Hayate, Acous, and Carim. They aren't going to take the massive amount of time required to overhaul an education system for sake of three people. Again, we don't know what is going on with the "exemption" that rare ability users get. If anything, that's probably about all that's been done. The TSAB is undermanned, they're more concerned with getting enough people first.

As far as the TSAB seems to be concerned, ancient Velka is pretty much dead. Tests administered by massive administrations are not tailored to the individual, they are standardized.

EDIT: The story section is open. Does it say anything new?

Kikaifan

2007-04-06, 16:03

They can spare four of their best officers to oversee two students taking the B-rank test. They are anything but an impersonal monolithic bureaucracy.

Personally I'm inclined to take the rankings at face value, and believe that in a nice open arena that favored no-one's style Hayate would defeat any other known (well, ranked) character. Of course, circumstance changes everything... a sniper duel with Nanoha or a cage match with Signum would be tough no matter how high your rank I imagine.

Woden

2007-04-06, 16:11

All of whom have vested interests. Having four officers watch a fairly short test is not nearly as much of a hindrance as modifying a testing system for three people. They have modern Velka magic, why should they adapt their systems for the pretty much extinct ancient type?

I'm just getting tired of Hayate being labeled the Deus Ex Machina after one episode. There are so many possible reasons that things could be the way they are, I feel we are getting WAAAY ahead of ourselves. Hayate is not the original Reinforce yet. Let's not start acting like she is. Could Hayate beat Nanoha in a fight? Probably. Could Nanoha beat Hayate in a fight? Probably. After watching some of the fights I've seen in Nanoha, I'm inclined to believe that ranking means very little over all.

Nightengale

2007-04-06, 18:15

They can spare four of their best officers to oversee two students taking the B-rank test. They are anything but an impersonal monolithic bureaucracy.

Well, it's not so much four top officers overseeing two students, but rather one above average overseer and the other 3 interested in their potential, but whatever. It just goes to show that there's a degree of flexibility in the TSAB management. Besides, they are commanders after all.

Well, aren't we going by this ranks test thing a little bit too literally? I highly doubt that the ranks of SSS+, SSS, SS+ and the higher ranks are determined by some mock-field test but rather by overall judgement of skill and prowess in real combat and stuff. Maybe even promotions based by performance, since TSAB can tape everything. If B already requires a whole playing field with drones...

I don't think even the best mages are capable of planetary destruction without some external Logia-sourcing (( Arc-en-Ciel at best could destroy a city )), but if one were to think on how much it'd cost to put upper-ranked mages to official testing...

Woden

2007-04-06, 18:24

*Struggles against the urge to bring up previous arguments*

Does the story section say anything new?

Nightengale

2007-04-06, 18:33

*Struggles against the urge to bring up previous arguments*

Does the story section say anything new?

Isn't that just a summary of Episode 1?

Granted, I've only read the first line, but it mentioned the airport fire so I doubt there's anything new.

Frankly, I'm opposed to deus-ex-nanohayafate.

Woden

2007-04-06, 18:39

GRAH! I was hoping for some actual news on the storyline...

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-06, 19:31

Meophist

2007-04-06, 19:43

I'm just wondering, is the Midchildan language decipherable?

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-06, 19:44

I'm just wondering, is the Midchildan language decipherable?

*Shrug*

According to wiki, those are greek letters written on their magic circle...

Meophist

2007-04-06, 19:59

*Shrug*

According to wiki, those are greek letters written on their magic circle...
There are four greek letters written at the four "corners" of the circle, but there's also alot of other text on it too. The "font" is used all over the place. It's not Greek, English, or any other real language, at least not as far as I know.

Woden

2007-04-06, 19:59

@Woden
ARGH!

I'm not saying they should change the ENTIRE system just for Hayate! I'm say they could just make ONE exceptional test for her, to suit your needs!!!

(*Breathe in, breathe out....*)

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Ancient Velka may be dead to them at first, but now that they have THREE users, three users of a ultra-rare form of magic, some how that should take priority in the research department.

Maybe it did for a time. Yet once they were able to suitably rip it off without having to use a truly different magic system, they had no need keep it as their main focus. Perhaps in some lab, it is still being worked on. Yet in lieu of a mid-type alternative, there is no reason to focus on Velka.

Let's look at it this way:

You are told to destroy a building. You've been given a series of remote detonating bombs. Yet you know that you can destroy the building just as easily through another method that doesn't use bombs. You are unlikely to be punished for not using the bombs unless there are special circumstances.

It's a case of if it isn't broke, don't fix it. In the current situation of the TSAB, if the mage can get the job done just as well through another method, I doubt they are going to punish the mage for doing things differently. It just makes the system a bit unreliable for comparing two users of different magic types.

Still, lets just move on. Both of us are just repeating ourselves now.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-06, 20:02

Still, lets just move on. Both of us are just repeating ourselves now.

Agree then.

Woden

2007-04-06, 20:02

Why would I agree to something that I don't believe in? It is an argument in which neither side seems that they are going to surrender. It is likely best to simply shake hands, and go "whatever". You can go write your side of the story, and I'll go consider trying my hand at it again.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-06, 20:39

Woden

2007-04-06, 20:41

Oh... Ok...

Sorry about that.

Aaron008R

2007-04-06, 22:11

raidou

2007-04-06, 22:52

Ok... Now how about a new discussion? Let's talk about the new devices! Any ideas on how the new cast's Intelligent/Armed/Boost devices are going to sound like? Will Cross Mirage talk like Spike Spiegel (English)? Will Mach Calibur sound like Onizuka (English)? Will Strada even be provided with AI in order to talk (German)? Will Kerykeion speak French? I'm looking forward to your comments!:D

Errr pretty sure Subaru and Teana device has no AI , dont think they gonna talk (no seiyuu in the cast list).Maybe the upgraded version.

Erio device might include Limited AI?(doesn't look like it will even has AI from the design)

As for caro , her devices seems to be similar to Shamal rings so no voice too i guess.

I do hope though that one of the device would have small kid voice O.o (something like tachikoma's voice in GiS:SAC),maybe caro's

Edit:
Is it me hallucinating or ANN Strikers' cast list include Yuuno now? :D

Aaron008R

2007-04-06, 23:04

Errr pretty sure Subaru and Teana device has no AI , dont think they gonna talk (no seiyuu in the cast list).Maybe the upgraded version.

Erio device might include Limited AI?(doesn't look like it will even has AI from the design)

As for caro , her devices seems to be similar to Shamal rings so cant talk also imo.

Oh. Gotta be more specific. I WAS talking about the upgraded versions. And about Shamal's device, Klar Wind, it does talk! It said, "Ja." which means, "Yes." in German after she ordered it to heal Nanoha and Fate's injuries before the final battle in A's.

raidou

2007-04-06, 23:08

Oh. Gotta be more specific. I WAS talking about the upgraded versions. And about Shamal's device, Klar Wind, it does talk! It said, "Ja." which means, "Yes." in German after she ordered it to heal Nanoha and Fate's injuries before the final battle in A's.

Ahh sorry if i misunderstand, my english suck ^^

Yeah i was about to edit my post again , forgot about shamal device and took a awhile to re-download the episode and re watch lol.

They probably would have Limited AI when upgraded , but somehow i dont feel like they will ever talk or have AI from the way they are used/designed.

This Nanoha threads filled really fast ><,suck cant follow it because of exam weeks.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-06, 23:13

Edit:
Is it me hallucinating or ANN Strikers' cast list include Yuuno now? :D

Nah, it's been there for some time already...

raidou

2007-04-06, 23:16

Nah, it's been there for some time already...

Ahh i see , seldom visit ANN..so was confused when i see it.Last time i checked after was told to ,didn't see him.Thanks

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-06, 23:23

Ahh i see , seldom visit ANN..so was confused when i see it.Last time i checked after was told to ,didn't see him.Thanks

The funny thing was, 6-7 months ago, there were only 6 names on the cast list.

Nanoha
Fate
Hayate
Yuuno
Arf
Chrono

... Only 5 remained... :heh:

raidou

2007-04-06, 23:37

The funny thing was, 6-7 months ago, there were only 6 names on the cast list.

Nanoha
Fate
Hayate
Yuuno
Arf
Chrono

... Only 5 remained... :heh:

Lol arf got dropped? I have no idea because

>< i haven't learn English yet 6-7 months ago :dots:

Why it has to be Arf , drop Amy instead imo T_T ...make it that they divorced so Chrono can get some action with one of the cast this time :heh:

Kikaifan

2007-04-07, 00:05

(( Arc-en-Ciel at best could destroy a city ))

Just nitpicking, but doesn't Chrono say it 'destroys everything within hundreds of kilometers'? The primary effect radius on a one-megaton nuke is only four kilometers IIRC. Even with the neatness of magical explosions in Nanoha it's a lot more than a city-killer.

Furyou Miko

2007-04-07, 03:48

(( Arc-en-Ciel at best could destroy a city ))

Vita: "That's no good! Hayate's house will be destroyed!"

Amy: "Eheh... we're not really talking about destruction on such a small scale..."

At least, I think it's Amy who said that. Might have been Chrono. The point being that they were over the sea at that point, and Hayate's house appears to be quite a way inland...

Aaron008R

2007-04-07, 03:55

Just nitpicking, but doesn't Chrono say it 'destroys everything within hundreds of kilometers'? The primary effect radius on a one-megaton nuke is only four kilometers IIRC. Even with the neatness of magical explosions in Nanoha it's a lot more than a city-killer.

Though I''m still hoping we get some more action from these kinds of weapons in StrikerS. I'm expecting some more planetary-level threats from the current season. Though I'd of course be more interested on how the producers plan on fleshing out Teana, Subaru and the other newbies.

Note: Yes, I've read through the previous discussions about this topic. But I still can't shake the feeling that the producers would pull of something completely different again. Or maybe I'm just expecting too much...

I can't wait to see more SRW-inspired moves from the characters. Maybe Teana could do a RAMVs (albeit slower and when she is finally able to fly) or Erio could do a Nendou Bakusai-ken ala SRX.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-07, 03:57

Vita: "That's no good! Hayate's house will be destroyed!"

Amy: "Eheh... we're not really talking about destruction on such a small scale..."

At least, I think it's Amy who said that. Might have been Chrono. The point being that they were over the sea at that point, and Hayate's house appears to be quite a way inland...

Nope, it was definitely Chrono, I remember that entire scene... Pretty funny too, I believe it went something like this...

http://acatisfinetoo.com/edible/nanoha/as_nano60.jpg

... Sike.

Furyou Miko

2007-04-07, 04:07

gah. That comic. :rolleyes:

Even so, my point stands.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-07, 04:17

gah. That comic. :rolleyes:

Even so, my point stands.

Eh... What point?

Aaron008R

2007-04-07, 04:27

gah. That comic. :rolleyes:

Even so, my point stands.

Hayate's house way inland? But still think of just how much damage and side-effects Arc-en-Ciel could cause on Earth, an extremely large tsunami being one of them. So, Hayate's house (and her 'collection') is still in quite a lot of danger. I don't even want to think about the OTHER damages caused aside from Hayate's dollhouse.:heh:

Furyou Miko

2007-04-07, 04:31

Eh... What point?

*facepalms* You know what? Nevermind. Looking back, it was the same one that had already been made. That we're talking huge damage over a massive area, not just a city.

Chaos2Frozen

2007-04-07, 04:35

*facepalms* You know what? Nevermind. Looking back, it was the same one that had already been made. That we're talking huge damage over a massive area, not just a city.

Ah that... I thought you were trying to make a point about something else... Hence I got confused.