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D a m i e n
2007-04-04, 04:52
i m wondering why there is a chapter spoiler thread poping up every week the same day when no one has actually the raw and a bunch of fakes are running around. some people have to suffer pages of fake before they get to actually see the discussion about the real chapter.
no a complain just wondering why not wait for the official chapter to be available for most to avoid fakes from running around.
Don't have to worry about fakes this week because this one comes from Hijamin.
Sort of confusing. We need a better translation.
quick translation by brucelee and Sho of NF.
ナルト
Naruto
北アジトを目指すサスケ達3人
The sasuke 3 head for the North base
水月バテる
Suigetsu gets tired
休憩中に香燐、重吾の事を話す
While taking a break Karin talks about Juugo
大蛇丸に自ら捕まりに来たらしい。自らの殺人衝動を抑える為に
Apparently Orochimaru had personally locked him up to control his killing urges
大蛇丸は大蛇丸で重吾の能力（体液）から重吾の持つ殺人衝動の状態を引き起こす酵素に興味を持 った
Orochimaru had an interest in the enzymes coming from Juugo's special abilities (which were fluids coming from the body) that produced the killing urges.
それが呪印らしい（殺戮を繰り返し回り血の海の1ページと一人の男）
Apparently that's the CS. (1 page shows a boy standing in a slaughter amid a river of blood)
その一人の男が外へ抜け出してサスケの前に現れる
サスケ、一刀両断
That boy goes outside and appears in front of Sasuke
Sasuke makes a resolute decision (or slices him in two)
サスケ「さっさと重吾に会いに行くぞ」
Sasuke: Let's hury up and go and meet Juugo
香燐「アレ？誰なのこれ」
Karin: Eh? Who's he?
最後のコマはなんかぞわぞわ侵されている重吾らしい人で終わり（顔ちょっと出てくる
The final frame ends with the person that seems to be Juugo coming at them (a little bit of his face is shown).
Is this supposed to be a full summary ?
I guess we need better translations because it does not really much sense. Karin asked who is Juugo after talking about him.
Seems like not much happens (Suigetsu gets tired... who cares ?) Nice to see an explaination about the CS though and the confirmation Sasuke's men are evil (one Oro fangirl, one serial killer, and errr ... an exhibitionnist)
so the killing urges form the CS?
Sabaku Kyu
2007-04-04, 08:01
The spoiler doesn't reveal much, except that Oro apparently had to deal with Juugo personally and that Juugo's special ability is releasing enzymes. Weird. Himajin's summaries are always true but unfortunately, aren't too detailed. But yeah, hopefully a better summary will come out soon.
i m wondering why there is a chapter spoiler thread poping up every week the same day when no one has actually the raw and a bunch of fakes are running around. some people have to suffer pages of fake before they get to actually see the discussion about the real chapter.
no a complain just wondering why not wait for the official chapter to be available for most to avoid fakes from running around.
Some people don't mind sifting through the fake spoilers. I think it's better to have a separate thread otherwise, the spoilers will just appear in the current chp discussion and people will have to use spoiler tags if they want to discuss them. With a separate thread, people who don't want to bother with fake spoilers can continue to use the current chp discussion and people who want to discuss the spoilers don't have to bother with the tags.
Luminion Lancer
2007-04-04, 08:16
-So if the chapter proves to be as accurate as Sabaku Kyu mentioned then it would seem that the Cursed Seal was created by experimenting on Juugo. Interesting, now I want to know more about this guy. If he's half as bloodthirsty and savage in battle as the 4-Tailed-mode Naruto then I think I may have found yet another favorite character. But I do find it weird that the word "enzymes" are used. I am no Biology and Chemistry expert but aren't enzymes produced in the saliva to break down food? I'd understand if they used the word "adrenaline" but enzymes kind of throw the image off...
Don't have to worry about fakes this week because this one comes from Hijamin.
Sort of confusing. We need a better translation.
The translation is not bad, it's the japanese summary which is brief and disjointed.
If this is true, it is very unlike the new Kishimoto to actually start explaining the history of introduced ideas.
Granted it is explaining something about his favourite character.
Sabaku Kyu
2007-04-04, 09:05
- But I do find it weird that the word "enzymes" are used. I am no Biology and Chemistry expert but aren't enzymes produced in the saliva to break down food? I'd understand if they used the word "adrenaline" but enzymes kind of throw the image off...
That's true, but there's many different types of enyzmes and they're found in more than just the saliva. Using the general term "enyzme" is a little more believable than mentioning the specific hormone adrenaline since adrenaline itself doesn't cause killing urges, though it does prepare the body to fight. It's weird though, if the CS was derived from the fluids in Juugo's body, how was Oro able to transmit the seal to Sasuke through a bite from his teeth? I always thought the CS derived from Oro's own venom.
The translation is not bad, it's the japanese summary which is brief and disjointed.
If this is true, it is very unlike the new Kishimoto to actually start explaining the history of introduced ideas.
Granted it is explaining something about his favourite character.
He does it a few times. We've found out some history on the Rasengan, the origins of Zabuza's sword, further explanations about bloodlines, elemental justsu. He just chooses to explain some things in more detail than others.
Luminion Lancer
2007-04-04, 09:43
That's true, but there's many different types of enyzmes and they're found in more than just the saliva. Using the general term "enyzme" is a little more believable than mentioning the specific hormone adrenaline since adrenaline itself doesn't cause killing urges, though it does prepare the body to fight. It's weird though, if the CS was derived from the fluids in Juugo's body, how was Oro able to transmit the seal to Sasuke through a bite from his teeth? I always thought the CS derived from Oro's own venom.
-Yeah you're right. I guess using that word is fine when placed into that context. Regarding Orochimaru's ability to transmit that venom have you ever considered that he might have "sack" within his mouth to store that venom like the Spitting Cobra? That type of snake has loose portions of skin in it's mouth to send the venom flying or when bitting to inject it. Several snakes transmit their venom that way. Perhaps Orochimaru did it in a similar fashion but he had to intake the poison himself and then transmit it...
yeah as said an enzyme is a substance which is a catalyst of chemical change. So if the enzyme effected something in the brain chemistry that causes intense killing urges, of course theres also some possibility iteffects chakra or infects it. Then theirs also the fact its a quick summary of 2nd hand script, may just not be the best word they used.
Anyyyhow the point is, i guess something he secretes or whatever. It does something weird and has something to do with the CS.
if ths turns out to be real, it seems kind of... ehhhh i could use seeing some other people or having something actually happen. And if the translation hits the nail on the head, why would sasuke want a guy who can't control his killing urges, and also makes other people unable to do the same. So much so, its to the point your average nobody who gives him a handshake has to be killed. Doesnt sound too useful or worth it, unless he has some method of sealing his abilities or something
It isn't said Juugo can control his murderous urge, in fact it's seem to be the opposite.
If he is the source of the CS (which would explain the physical morphing and murderous intent that the CS trigger into its users), Sasuke might have some particular use of him related to his own CS.
I hope the news about freeing prisoners and death of Orochimaru will come to Konoha in this chapter..
I wanna see their faces :heh:
the sad thing is even if naruto hears that sasuke has defeated orochimaru and is freeing peeople. he will still be determined to bring sasuke back to konoha :( naruto is going to look really pathetic if he does that.
then again he might remembers ero-sannin advice and forget about sasuke untill they meet again in the end.
So far Kishi has done a nice job with these new characters sasuke's collecting. Personally I didn't like sai or Yammato, I also didn't like choji till I saw him skinny. Now I like him even thou he's phat.
Juugo looks promising. Specially if he's the source of all CS experimentation. Sasuke still looks to have CS, and all that was really said about it was that it increased your abilites, but coroded your mind(if used too long). That would suck for sasuke who needs power, AND his facilites to take on the Genjutsu weilding Itachi.
As a matter of fact. How Bamf would Itachi really be if his genjutsu didn't even come into play? Yea he's a bit nastyer than kakashi, but it doesn't seem like he would be better than Guy, Kyuubi naruto, or CS2 Sasuke at this point.
the sad thing is even if naruto hears that sasuke has defeated orochimaru and is freeing peeople. he will still be determined to bring sasuke back to konoha :( naruto is going to look really pathetic if he does that.
then again he might remembers ero-sannin advice and forget about sasuke untill they meet again in the end.
It would be very stupid is they again wanna bring him .. but im more interested what Tsunade, Jiraiya and Kakashi will say on that .. or Akatsuki ..
Anyway Naruto wont be able to find him becouse he is always on the move .. but they will meet again sometime against Akatsuki ..
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-04-04, 13:42
:upset: Naruto and Co. better be in this chapter, i don't want to wait another week to hear Konoha's reaction.
Juugo looks like he is also a warning from Kishimoto of what can happen if Sasuke keeps using the CS. So Sasuke will still need saving in a sense. Someone will have to convince Sasuke to stop using the CS.
Suigetsu getting tired is important since it reveals a weakness. When he hulks up, he probably expends a lot of chakra.
I guess Karin's abilities are being saved.
well good news is its possible the whole CS thing could get an explanation. But like i said(or meant to say) a guy like him, can he even work in a team at all? well i suppose sasuke's mind control genjutsu sharingan may be the key to turning him into something useful on a team.
Seems like another boring, fruitless chapter this week.
That Other Ninja
2007-04-04, 16:18
well good news is its possible the whole CS thing could get an explanation. But like i said(or meant to say) a guy like him, can he even work in a team at all? well i suppose sasuke's mind control genjutsu sharingan may be the key to turning him into something useful on a team.
Mind control? Wtf... ;\
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-04-04, 16:20
Mind control? Wtf... ;\
Remember it's the Sharingan.
That Other Ninja
2007-04-04, 16:23
Remember it's the Sharingan.
That sad part is I can't detect a sense of sarcasm or if you really support that statement.
Mind control? Wtf... ;\
yeah man, good all fashion mind control, clockwork orange style, well not really that style but yeah sharingan can be used to control minds since early on hypnotic genjutsu or whatever you want to call it.
That Other Ninja
2007-04-04, 16:25
yeah man, good all fashion mind control, clockwork orange style, well not really that style but yeah sharingan can be used to control minds since early on hypnotic genjutsu or whatever you want to call it.
*sweat* -_-
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-04-04, 16:30
That sad part is I can't detect a sense of sarcasm or if you really support that statement.
There was a bit of scarcasm but having thought about it, would you be surprise if it could control a person's mind.
That Other Ninja
2007-04-04, 16:33
There was a bit of scarcasm but having thought about it, would you be surprise if it could control a person's mind.
Yes, because that route has already been ridden by different characters.
Ya know I was thinking that Sasuke is trying to find Juugo to change the CS effects or at least subdue the problems like what Kabuto did for Orochimaru if he tries to use it later. I mean remember how Sakon said the CS will slowly take the user over. Sasuke seems like the kind of person to stop problems before they happen.
so juugo will modify sasuke's own CS?
since itz juugo's enzyme, doesnt it mean that itz part of juugo's dna? either way, i think CS corrodes ppl coz it operates without the original user(juugo). itz like, if the sasuke has juugo's bodily fluids injected into him, den sasuke's CS cant corrode his mind, coz juugo's fluids are preventing that. [quite like how kakashi's sharingan takes up chakra coz he's not uchiha by birth]
kheldorin
2007-04-04, 22:10
I kinda view the CS somewhat like vampiricy. Most will die when bitten but some will be reborn as vampires. They also have to constantly fight their natural tendency to kill people and drink their blood. Afterall, there are stories of vampires who are not totally evil. So I guess in this case Juugo woud be the original Dracula. Not sure how Juugo would help Sasuke though. He doesn't appear to be sane.
0200461b
2007-04-04, 23:30
so juugo will modify sasuke's own CS?
since itz juugo's enzyme, doesnt it mean that itz part of juugo's dna? either way, i think CS corrodes ppl coz it operates without the original user(juugo). itz like, if the sasuke has juugo's bodily fluids injected into him, den sasuke's CS cant corrode his mind, coz juugo's fluids are preventing that. [quite like how kakashi's sharingan takes up chakra coz he's not uchiha by birth]
I don't think it was ever stated or implied that being an Uchiha by birth negated the need for chakra in order to use the Sharingan. Sasuke, and to a certain extent Itachi, don't have theirs activated all the time either.
Furthermore, the Mangekyou Sharingan similarly depleted the chakra pools of both Kakashi and Itachi upon repeated use.
metharan
2007-04-05, 03:55
I don't think it was ever stated or implied that being an Uchiha by birth negated the need for chakra in order to use the Sharingan. Sasuke, and to a certain extent Itachi, don't have theirs activated all the time either.
Furthermore, the Mangekyou Sharingan similarly depleted the chakra pools of both Kakashi and Itachi upon repeated use.
I think what he means is that kakashi is not an uchiha by birth, so he couldn't control his sharingan as good as the uchihas (like how he couldn't deactivate the normal sharingan), therefore depleting unneccesary chakra (i remember itachi saying something along the same lings when he met with kakashi in konoha)
D a m i e n
2007-04-05, 07:46
Remember it's the Sharingan.
does it mean sharigan is the "get out of jail for free card" that the author can use at anytime to justify any plot hole or plot device reguardless of how huge and clumbsy they are? did you mean that?
btw what does CS stand for?
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-04-05, 07:55
does it mean sharigan is the "get out of jail for free card" that the author can use at anytime to justify any plot hole or plot device reguardless of how huge and clumbsy they are? did you mean that?
btw what does CS stand for?
Yes.
CS= Cursed Seal
D a m i e n
2007-04-05, 08:08
Ok, though it meant counter strike, i remember i used to play that game back in beta .6, so i had trouble finding the relation between naruto and headshoots.
anyway enougth out of context chat. is there a real (nonfake) spoiler around?
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-04-05, 09:02
No...actually Kakashi is a genius and probably controls his Sharingan better then most Uchiha's in history... it's just that because he isnt born with the Uchiha blood his Sharingan takes up more chakra then regular born Uchiha's.
Naruto: Yeah Kakashi's really strong..
Smarter then Shikamaru
Better nose then Kiba
Better Sharingan then Sasuke
Besides Kakashi's experience with the Sharingan is alot more then Itachi & Sasuke..
Besides Kakashi's experience with the Sharingan is alot more then Itachi & Sasuke..
Against Itachi is hard to say, while Kakashi has His Sharingan some 3 years more than Itachi, the experience comes from the amount of time Kakashi and Itachi have use them, we have seen that Kakashi only decides to use his sharingan against strong opponents, Itachi has it activated all the time.
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-04-05, 09:09
Besides Kakashi's experience with the Sharingan is alot more then Itachi & Sasuke..
That is true he has had the Sharingan longer, but he can't control it as well as The two Uchiha Gods.:D
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-04-05, 09:16
That is true he has had the Sharingan longer, but he can't control it as well as The two Uchiha Gods.:D
If gods can die then they simply arent gods...if gods run away then they arent cowardly gods...who have very limited powers.
If Kakashi's Sharingan didnt drain so much of his chakra....he'd probably walk with it all the time aswell...
If Kakashi's Sharingan didnt drain so much of his chakra....he'd probably walk with it all the time aswell...
And that's a big IF, but right now, we can't really say if Kakashi experience with the sharingan is higher than Itachi. and Mr Johnny, is not only Chakra, is the stress it gives to Kakashi's body.
Kakashi has 3rd teir sharingan and all of the benifits. His isn't 'better' than any other third teir. they all do the same thing. The reason he is 'better' than old school 'standard' sharingan useres is cuz he has other skillz besides sharingan, and he's pretty smart(also prolly alot of uchiha didn't make it to 3rd teir). The Weakness of Kakashi using sharingan is that it takes an extreme toll on his body. Most of the time we see kakashi use any form of sharingan for more than 30 seconds he's out for at least a week. Where as Itachi and Sasuke use it in their battles regularly without side effects. I also assume this would apply double to MS as even uchiha have side effects from it.
This makes me think of something interesting as well. Sharingan is awsome and lets you see moves ahead of time. This makes me think that there is no reason Itachi's eyesight would be bad WHEN USING REGULAR SHARINGAN, but if he was using his regular eyes, he might not even be able to see at all. This would explain why he keeps sharingan on all the time. If sasuke figures this out and renderes MS innefective, itachi's screwed cuz Sasuke can prolly just prolong the fight. This would also explain why Itachi doesn't want to drain below 20-30% chakra just from fighting. A jinkuri's regeneration ablility would be awsome for itachi's eyes. . . . Kakashi's words come back to haunt (greater jutsu, greater drawbacks)
As For Juugo, what Sasuke wants is MS (prolly), but I doubt he told Oro about the requirements, otherwise oro might have set it up for sasuke to kill naruto. Instead If he can somehow simulate the requirements chemically of killing the closeset thing to him (with juugo's crazy enzymes) then he might be able to get MS without killing anyone(specifically naruto).
Deathwing
2007-04-05, 10:11
No...actually Kakashi is a genius and probably controls his Sharingan better then most Uchiha's in history... it's just that because he isnt born with the Uchiha blood his Sharingan takes up more chakra then regular born Uchiha's.
Naruto: Yeah Kakashi's really strong..
Smarter then Shikamaru
Better nose then Kiba
Better Sharingan then Sasuke
Besides Kakashi's experience with the Sharingan is alot more then Itachi & Sasuke..
i think that is filler and even if it isn't itachi could destroy kakashi no contest
plus after the time skip we arent sure what sasuke can do but if naruto passed him then it is safe to assume sasuke did as well
i think that is filler and even if it isn't itachi could destroy kakashi no contestKakashi did say that He couldn't beat Itachi by himself, but He's not stupid either. He took out Itahci clone WAY easier than team Guy took down Kisame clone. I think Kakashi also knows that Itachi might not be able to use his regular eyes which would be the only reason Itachi would want to kill him for knowing MS' secret (as he would then be defeted when he went blind from not being able to keep sharingan on).
If it was Kakashi and Sasuke vs. Itachi, I don't think Itachi would last very long. (or even want to fight them)
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-04-05, 12:03
i think that is filler and even if it isn't itachi could destroy kakashi no contest
plus after the time skip we arent sure what sasuke can do but if naruto passed him then it is safe to assume sasuke did as well
I am sure it was in the manga aswell....i'll give a check....if i reply to this then it means i was wrong if not :p i was right...
astayanax
2007-04-05, 12:18
Kakashi did say that He couldn't beat Itachi by himself, but He's not stupid either. He took out Itahci clone WAY easier than team Guy took down Kisame clone. I think Kakashi also knows that Itachi might not be able to use his regular eyes which would be the only reason Itachi would want to kill him for knowing MS' secret (as he would then be defeted when he went blind from not being able to keep sharingan on).
If it was Kakashi and Sasuke vs. Itachi, I don't think Itachi would last very long. (or even want to fight them)
I am not too sure about this. Both Orochimaru (who we can agree was waaaay better than Kakashi) and Sasuke acknowledged that they were simply no match against Itachi even if they tag team him... yet this was the same Orochimaru who for most part was laughing at 4 tailed Naruto.
The reason why everyone had doubts about Itachi's supposingly inhuman strength/skill is Kishi always protrayed him as a cautious person who runs first, and question later. We have yet to see Itachi owning anyone to the extent of him gaining his reputation and if Kishi wants this character to keep this reputation, he has to create a scene soon that would prove Itachi's dominance.
I am not a fan of this spoiler if it is true. It is yet another crippling blow to Orochimaru as all of us thought all along that the CS was something he invented... but yet it is another 'blood trait' (if you want to call it that) that he stole for his own usage.
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-04-05, 12:23
I am not too sure about this. Both Orochimaru (who we can agree was waaaay better than Kakashi) and Sasuke acknowledged that they were simply no match against Itachi even if they tag team him... yet this was the same Orochimaru who for most part was laughing at 4 tailed Naruto.
The reason why everyone had doubts about Itachi's supposingly inhuman strength/skill is Kishi always protrayed him as a cautious person who runs first, and question later. We have yet to see Itachi owning anyone to the extent of him gaining his reputation and if Kishi wants this character to keep this reputation, he has to create a scene soon that would prove Itachi's dominance.
I agree...that's why (if i am being really honest) i dont like him. He hits and runs..to me it's like cowardly behaviour and ofcourse his calm arrogant attitude.
But at the same time....i get the same feeling from Jiraiya or...the other Sannin....but especially from Jiraiya. I got a feeling that he is extremly important in Naruto and may be the strongest regardless of what has been said or happend.
But that's just me..
Deathwing
2007-04-05, 12:33
Kakashi did say that He couldn't beat Itachi by himself, but He's not stupid either. He took out Itahci clone WAY easier than team Guy took down Kisame clone. I think Kakashi also knows that Itachi might not be able to use his regular eyes which would be the only reason Itachi would want to kill him for knowing MS' secret (as he would then be defeted when he went blind from not being able to keep sharingan on).
If it was Kakashi and Sasuke vs. Itachi, I don't think Itachi would last very long. (or even want to fight them)
i wouldn't be so quick to make that assumption itachi is probably the most powerful character we have been introduced to and he can use the MS numeous times in a short period while if kakashi uses it once he is drained and if he misses he is screwed also when it comes down to pure technique itachi knows more
also itachi is a sick bastard (untill futher notice) so he dosn't need a reason to kill them
i cant say anyting on sasukes behalf cause i have no idea what he can do post time skip (hope we will see him do something soon:D )
I am not too sure about this. Both Orochimaru (who we can agree was waaaay better than Kakashi) and Sasuke acknowledged that they were simply no match against Itachi even if they tag team him... yet this was the same Orochimaru who for most part was laughing at 4 tailed Naruto.
The reason why everyone had doubts about Itachi's supposingly inhuman strength/skill is Kishi always protrayed him as a cautious person who runs first, and question later. We have yet to see Itachi owning anyone to the extent of him gaining his reputation and if Kishi wants this character to keep this reputation, he has to create a scene soon that would prove Itachi's dominance.
well he dominated while he was fighting sasuke and kakashi in the village but we really haven't seen him go all out (i am looking forward to that)
No...actually Kakashi is a genius and probably controls his Sharingan better then most Uchiha's in history... it's just that because he isnt born with the Uchiha blood his Sharingan takes up more chakra then regular born Uchiha's.
Naruto: Yeah Kakashi's really strong..
Smarter then Shikamaru
Better nose then Kiba
Better Sharingan then Sasuke
Besides Kakashi's experience with the Sharingan is alot more then Itachi & Sasuke..
That is ridiculous .. Itachi contorol Sharingan better then Kakshi and now Sasuke control Sharingan better ..
He is not smarter then Shikamaru and he dont have better nose then Kiba and ofc he wont have better sharingan then any Uchiha .. he just said it becouse Kakashis expirience is battles.
But i dont understand how Kakashi have Mangekyou:confused:
But i dont understand how Kakashi have Mangekyou:confused:
I didn't understand that either. I a guessing it shows just as smart kakashi is. he unlocked something he shouldn't be able to. the same reason why the sharingran takes a great toll on him might be the reason why he didn't have to kill his best friend.
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-04-05, 14:29
That is ridiculous .. Itachi contorol Sharingan better then Kakshi and now Sasuke control Sharingan better ..
He is not smarter then Shikamaru and he dont have better nose then Kiba and ofc he wont have better sharingan then any Uchiha .. he just said it becouse Kakashis expirience is battles.
But i dont understand how Kakashi have Mangekyou:confused:
Because most of the things that have been said proves to be a lie or nonsense.
And about Kakashi being better at .... i think Naruto ment it in a way of experience indeed.
He said literaly: Heh Kakashi-sensei is really very strong.
Smarter then Shikamaru...better nose then Kiba...a better Sharingan then Sasuke...Taijutsu even faster then thick-brows.
Page 13, chapter 256...it's NOT a filler :)
If the cursed seal helped Sasuke in some way to overcome Orochimaru and control him, then the new guy can play a big part to rescue Orochimaru if something goes wrong with the cursed seal. It would be really fun to see Sasuke's cursed seal failing to activate suddenly (due to the new guy) against a strong opponent and meeting his doom day unexpectedly early, but, unfortunately, it will not happen anytime soon.
And, still there is no news on Kabuto. At the least, Jiraiya should have heard about Orochimaru by now, and hopefully reached Konoha to give the news to Tsunade. I hope, there would be at least one panel to let us know about either Kabuto or Jiraiya, or someone important (in other words, anyone other than the Bleach characters).
I know that is not filler but that is only Narutos words which dont mean that he really is all that .. becouse he dont have more then 200 IQ like Shikamaru .. And he dont have better nose and smell then Kiba .. and about Sharingan naruto said 2,5 years before, becouse he dont have clue what can Sasuke now with Sharingan.
Like u said now my papa is stronger then Taison that dont mean he is really stronger becouse he is stronger then me.
We saw that Itachi is better Sharingan user when they confront in Konoha.
I know that is not filler but that is only Narutos words which dont mean that he really is all that .. becouse he dont have more then 200 IQ like Shikamaru .. And he dont have better nose and smell then Kiba .. and about Sharingan naruto said 2,5 years before, becouse he dont have clue what can Sasuke now with Sharingan.You don't have to be as good as Shikamaru to be able to compare him to another character. And, you may not even tell the difference between characters, except for some extraordinary situations. In other words, if there is not a highly noticeable difference between characters, you may not be able to notice that difference. It is the same for other type of features for the other characters.
And, Kakashi's sharingan can be considered as being better than Sasuke's. You cannot argue against, if someone tells you that Sasuke still does not have MS, whereas Kakashi has already attained it. Also, anything Sasuke can do, it is also possible for Kakashi to do.
Lastly, even if you forget about MS, what Naruto said can almost ensure us one thing, that Kakashi's basic sharingan abilities without MS is better than Sasuke's sharingan from 2.5 years ago. Notice the word basic. That also means you can neither validate nor invalidate the claims regarding who has the better sharingan abilities right now. As we all know what sharingan can do is a matter of how puff the magic dragon impacts the brain, anything is possible at this point regarding both Kakashi and Sasuke, and regarding what both can do.
PaintBaller
2007-04-05, 15:33
Because most of the things that have been said proves to be a lie or nonsense.
And about Kakashi being better at .... i think Naruto ment it in a way of experience indeed.
He said literaly: Heh Kakashi-sensei is really very strong.
Smarter then Shikamaru...better nose then Kiba...a better Sharingan then Sasuke...Taijutsu even faster then thick-brows.
Page 13, chapter 256...it's NOT a filler :)
I don't post here very often but I read through the thread on a regular basis. I remember reading that as well, and i would have to agree with most of it. I think the Sasuke Sharingan reference would have to be about how well Sasuke used it 3 yrs prior as at that chapter of the manga they had not run into him sinse hel left to the sound village.
OK i will put this simple .. becouse u explain something without any reason ..
-Shikamaru is smarter then Kakashi becouse he have more IQ then Kakashi ..
-Kiba have better sense for smell then Kakashi becouse he can do 1000 times more smell sense..
-And at last Sasuke have better sharingan becouse he have 2 eyes and he is from Uchiha ..
He didnt mean literaly "better" he meant that Kakashi use better all that in battle which is only point of expirience in battle ..
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-04-05, 16:05
OK i will put this simple .. becouse u explain something without any reason ..
-Shikamaru is smarter then Kakashi becouse he have more IQ then Kakashi ..
-Kiba have better sense for smell then Kakashi becouse he can do 1000 times more smell sense..
-And at last Sasuke have better sharingan becouse he have 2 eyes and he is from Uchiha ..
He didnt mean literaly "better" he meant that Kakashi use better all that in battle which is only point of expirience in battle ..
That is your opinion....i stated mine...the manga we read is the same....how we understand things of it or assume things after reading it will always be different.
He could've ment things more then just battle experience...but...you stated your opinion and i did mine...it is pointless to continue this pointless discussion of the past. Especially if this isnt the proper thread for it.
Regardless of the april things...there are less spoilers then usually...well atleast the last few weeks...and it's thursday already...there will be a raw this week right?
I understand when opinions r diferent .. but this is funny ..
IF Kakashi is smarter then Shikamaru then he have more then 300 IQ and he wouldnt admire Shikamarus tactics when they went on mission against Hidan and Kakuzu !
IF Kakashi have better smell then Kiba then he wouldnt use dogs to track, and he would beat Zabuza in mist and he would find Naruto without dog at waterfall!
IF he have better Sharingan he wouldnt be pwned by Itachi Sharingan !
-Shikamaru is smarter then Kakashi becouse he have more IQ then Kakashi ..
-Kiba have better sense for smell then Kakashi becouse he can do 1000 times more smell sense.. He might be, but most probably the way Kakashi used his intelligence was better than Shikamaru's. Shikamaru can have the greatest IQ of all the people in the world, but he doesn't have the strength to back it up. On the other hand, Kakashi has sufficient level of strength to be able to make best use of his IQ. In other words, the application of IQ in real battle situations can favor Kakashi. It is logical. Similar words can be said for Kiba.
-And at last Sasuke have better sharingan becouse he have 2 eyes and he is from Uchiha .. Doesn't matter how many eyes he has. Kakashi's sharingan has evolved to the final stage of Sharingan, and that can be considered as having the better Sharingan compared to Sasuke's. When Sasuke gains that MS, you can sstart including other factors, such as the efficiency of Sharingan usage.
He didnt mean literaly "better" he meant that Kakashi use better all that in battle which is only point of expirience in battle ..Does it matter*? What you have only has importance in the way you use it. If someone can use it better, then he can be considered better. (* That is only true if the character can give that impression even under normal conditions, in other words not having a difference like Hidan-Kakashi)
Even if Shikamaru gains the same level of experience as Kakashi, in a typical fight, he may not be able to overcome the level Kakashi incorporates his intelligence to his other talents and abilities, making him the better. That might also be true for Kiba or others, if they also do not have strength to make use of their abilities at/above the level of Kakashi's.
IF he have better Sharingan he wouldnt be pwned by Itachi Sharingan !When did that happen? 2.5 years before the time that dialogue took place. And, whom did Naruto compare Kakashi to? Sasuke, the same guy who was also pwned by Itachi sharingan, and not once.
@Sazelyt
U again explain something that i said and then again u said something stupid ..
U didnt mention anything about Kiba so i will assume that i was right there ..
And Naruto said better then Sasukes sharingan and he didnt see him 2.5 years and now u question me why i meantion Itachi when that happened 2.5 years before .. I meantioned Itachi becouse Johny said that Kakashi have better sharingan then Itachi..
1.Shikamaru have bigger IQ and that mean he is smarter! So Naruto failed in statement..
2.Kiba have better smell then Kakashi (becouse Kakashi cant track without dogs or cant smell in mist when he fought Zabuza.. And Kiba can fight without open eyes)! So Narutos statement failed again..
3.Kakashi cant have better sharingan then 2 sharingan eyes, he can use better then Sasuke but that was 2.5 years ago, and Naruto didnt see him 3 years from then! So Narutos statement failed again ..
So if u find that 1 of these tree are true, then Naruto conclusions r wrong about everything ..
Inferno Phoenyx
2007-04-05, 16:37
we need more spoilers....it's thursday.....
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-04-05, 16:41
we need more spoilers....it's thursday.....
Very true , we're so bored we're talking about weird topic that doesn't even matter anymore :( Damn we're bored, Even a fake spoiler would be nice.
What the hell does a dumbass naruto knows about anything? To use naruto words a bible or guide is like asking a blind person what's ahead of him. All evidences point towards that Shikamaru is the smartest, kiba with the best sense of smell, and Itachi owns everybody with the sharingan.
What the hell does a dumbass naruto knows about anything? To use naruto words a bible or guide is like asking a blind person what's ahead of him. All evidences point towards that Shikamaru is the smartest, kiba with the best sense of smell, and Itachi owns everybody with the sharingan.
Altough i agree that shikamaru is the smartest and of course itachi owns everybody with sharingran, and after timeskip sasuke would own everyone except itachi with sharingran also.
but i think the fact that kakashi's after is dubed white fang. and kakashi summons dogs suggest that he too has a refined sense of smell.
I think when naruto was making the comparison he was comparing kakashi to the genins before the time skip. naruto hasn't seen how much they have improved. in that case kakashi was probably better then all of the genins. now however naruto's words are debatable. espiacially seeing how new generations always surpass previous ones.
and yes it has been very boring lately.
Inferno Phoenyx
2007-04-05, 17:15
Very true , we're so bored we're talking about weird topic that doesn't even matter anymore :( Damn we're bored, Even a fake spoiler would be nice.
lol. The Sharingan/Kakashi topic took like 2 pages........ yeah, that fake poiler would be nice about now.
@Sazelyt U didnt mention anything about Kiba so i will assume that i was right there .. Kiba is not different than Shikamaru, so whatever is valid for Shikamaru, it is also valid for Kiba. By the way, I mentioned about Kiba, as being similar.
1.Shikamaru have bigger IQ and that mean he is smarter! So Naruto failed in statement..
2.Kiba have better smell then Kakashi (becouse Kakashi cant track without dogs or cant smell in mist when he fought Zabuza.. And Kiba can fight without open eyes)! So Narutos statement failed again..
3.Kakashi cant have better sharingan then 2 sharingan eyes, he can use better then Sasuke but that was 2.5 years ago, and Naruto didnt see him 3 years from then! So Narutos statement failed again ..
So if u find that 1 of these tree are true, then Naruto conclusions r wrong about everything ..You are trying to discuss about *how* Naruto perceived it, you are trying to talk about Naruto *perceiving* it, and you are trying to tell us that Naruto is incorrect. No. Naruto only told us what he observed, and as I mentioned earlier, what we perceive regarding the character makes us consider him better. It is as simple as that. Naruto made an observation and it doesn't mean it is incorrect.
There is no way that you can invalidate Naruto's comparison between Kakashi and Sasuke by just saying one is Uchiha the other is not. You cannot invalidate what he says about Shikamaru, as both are considered genius, and we do not have an IQ measure for Kakashi, yet. Also Kakashi, at that time, had MS and Sasuke did not have. How do you consider this as failure is beyond my comprehension.
And Naruto said better then Sasukes sharingan and he didnt see him 2.5 years and now u question me why i meantion Itachi when that happened 2.5 years before .. I meantioned Itachi becouse Johny said that Kakashi have better sharingan then Itachi.. Naruto talked about the Sasuke he knew. You may not know but Sasuke at that fight reached the max of his *basic* Sharingan abilities (not mind-reading or anything else was known at that time). So, in that way, what he gave us as his opinion can be considered as logical even if it may not be correct. And, the level of correctness of that statement cannot be determined by you *just saying so*.
Yes naruto said all that, it was accurate from what naruto knew of at that point. his sense of sasukes sharingan was based on his fight and observations of sasuke. His pereeception of shika's intellegience was based on 2.5 years ago as well.
How do these stand now? I do not know. but apparently kakashi figured out mangekyo sharingan, learned literally 1000s of jutsus can perform all elemental manipulations. And figured how to apply naruto's kage bunshin demon chakra and yamaoto's suppression ability to make a viable way for naruto to train years in days. SO to say he is as intelligeint or maybe moreso than shika, may in fact be accurate, remember there is many types of intelliegience.
Kibas sense of smell maybe 1000 times normal people , but who knows what kakashi 's was, or is, his father and himself were asociated with wolves 9whitefang) and he showed teh ability to smell blood when he was a kid. It isnt impossible that his sense of smell is on par with kiba, they may even be related for all we know.
Kakshi's sharingan is better than sasuke to every ones current knowledge, and in that battle he proved he couldkeep sharingan on for long periods, that battle in the manga was supposed to be a long one. and they gave the impression he had sharingan the whole time. he apparently has increased his regular sharingan stamina, although mangekyo wipes him, and takes a long time to do. But yeah his sharingan is definately better or used better than sasukes was, and the fact he has third level implies its better than sasuke's now, unless he has developed it.
Anyhow it doesnt matter it was in the past.
lol. The Sharingan/Kakashi topic took like 2 pages........ yeah, that fake poiler would be nice about now.
yah, definately a real or fake pic would provide some proper discussion. :p
Missilebuster
2007-04-05, 17:49
so umm why doesnt it come out on thursdays anymore?
Inferno Phoenyx
2007-04-05, 17:54
Yeah, my question too...... >:o
ugh... I think we're up to about 3 1/2 pages about Kakashi/Sharingan and comparison between Kiba, Shika., and ummmm.... Lee?
Edit: Oh, I forgot Sasuke.....
That is your opinion....i stated mine...the manga we read is the same....how we understand things of it or assume things after reading it will always be different.
I have to say that he, most likely, is right... though it's very hard to read his posts due to the gram. mistakes but that's a different thing^^
I mean Kakashi never showed anything of the complex structure of Shikamaru's moves, though being very smart, never proved that he has a good nose by himself, e.g. Zabuza-Battle (or even the dogs. But I'm not a veterinarian so who knows :) ). the only thing I admit is the sharingan thing. BACK THEN...
Because now we don't know. Last time they faced Sasuke Kakashi was not around.
Kibas sense of smell maybe 1000 times normal people , but who knows what kakashi 's was, or is, his father and himself were asociated with wolves 9whitefang) and he showed teh ability to smell blood when he was a kid. It isnt impossible that his sense of smell is on par with kiba, they may even be related for all we know.
U cant be serious ..
I agree that Kakashi is smart and i said that, and i agree that Kakashi knew better to use sharingan ..
But he is not smarter then Shikamaru and Sasuke now know better to use sharingan then Kakashi, except that Kakashi have Mangekyou sharingan. And he is not near Kibas scent.
Now can u Sazelyt and Yinstro answear me on this questions .. With Yes or No .. just that !
Do u really think that ..
Kakashi is smarter then Shikamaru ?
Kakashi have better smell then Kiba ?
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-04-05, 18:38
This is pathetic.
Not one pic?
Not one confirm summary?
I bet Naruto isn't in this Chapter
Naruto fans must be pissed, they Hijacked it >_<
Very true , we're so bored we're talking about weird topic that doesn't even matter anymore :( Damn we're bored, Even a fake spoiler would be nice.
When the real spoiler comes in, the fakes always stop. So we are out of luck.
Weird topic to come up. I never took what Naruto said about Kakashi seriously. Naruto was engaging in what we call hero worship. Kind of like when you are young and think your dad is better at everything than anyone else.
Shippuden seems to be about the younger generation passing the older one. So Kakashi can't hold off the kids anyway. The last arc likely confirmed Shikamaru as the smartest. Not only was Kakashi letting him run the show, but his shadow jutsus have gotten strong enough to help him carry out his plans. We haven't see Kiba yet, but he has likely enhanced his ablity to smell with more chakra. Lee probably trains 15 hours a day in just taijutsu. And I think we have seen enough of Sasuke now to know what the sharingan can do in the hands of a true Uchiha.
You are trying to discuss about *how* Naruto perceived it, you are trying to talk about Naruto *perceiving* it, and you are trying to tell us that Naruto is incorrect. No. Naruto only told us what he observed, and as I mentioned earlier, what we perceive regarding the character makes us consider him better. It is as simple as that. Naruto made an observation and it doesn't mean it is incorrect.
There is no way that you can invalidate Naruto's comparison between Kakashi and Sasuke by just saying one is Uchiha the other is not. You cannot invalidate what he says about Shikamaru, as both are considered genius, and we do not have an IQ measure for Kakashi, yet. Also Kakashi, at that time, had MS and Sasuke did not have. How do you consider this as failure is beyond my comprehension.
One question, do you consider Naruto's remarks sufficient to determine he was correct?
Inferno Phoenyx
2007-04-05, 20:43
ugh I'm dying from the lack of spoilers. lol. Someone just make up a story.
One question, do you consider Naruto's remarks sufficient to determine he was correct?I am in-between. It can be correct or incorrect for everyone or for only one. It is an observation made by Naruto based on what he has observed regarding other characters. He didn't keep that information to himself, and he wasn't corrected by someone there who is supposed to be much more intelligent and much more knowledged on some characters there (such as Shikamaru and Kiba). So, I am saying, why not? It is possible. Note that I am talking about the perceived talent (hence, it is not an objective scale).
If you can bring a specific example that will change the perception regarding one character - leading to a single direction -, you are welcome.
Now can u Sazelyt and Yinstro answear me on this questions .. With Yes or No .. just that !
Do u really think that ..
Kakashi is smarter then Shikamaru ?
Kakashi have better smell then Kiba ?Let me answer by asking you a question. Do you have any information from the manga that says otherwise?
I am in-between. It can be correct or incorrect for everyone or for only one. It is an observation made by Naruto based on what he has observed regarding other characters. He didn't keep that information to himself, and he wasn't corrected by someone there who is supposed to be much more intelligent and much more knowledged on some characters there (such as Shikamaru and Kiba). So, I am saying, why not? It is possible. Note that I am talking about the perceived talent (hence, it is not an objective scale).
If you can bring a specific example that will change the perception regarding one character - leading to a single direction -, you are welcome.
I was just asking to see what you tough about it, as I myself am in-between.:D
Inferno Phoenyx
2007-04-05, 21:13
there arent many posts now....
Let me answer by asking you a question. Do you have any information from the manga that says otherwise?
So u cant answear simple question with YES or NO, becouse u know the truth ..
And did u ever saw how Kakashi plan 200 more tactics in head so he can use them if first fail, like Shikamaru can ? No
Or that he can find ppl without using eyes and dogs like Kiba ? No
Well for me whole manga say otherwise.. if u wanna believe in santa claus becouse your mama told u he exist then ok. I wouldnt argue with u if u just answeared with YES or NO i just wanted to see your opinion without any reference information.
Frenchie
2007-04-05, 21:20
Meh, Naruto was obviously making a very biased observation. He has not seen Shikamaru, Lee, Sasuke or even Kiba (We still haven't) in the 2.5 years gap.
It is obvious that Kakashi, as jounin, should still be considered the "sensei" and in a position of authority compared to the level of the Genins and the IQ of pre-timeskip Shikamaru.
Now for having seen, or at least heard of how Shikamaru defeated the immortal Hidan, he might've reviewed the statement Kakashi was more intelligent than our genius chuunin. He might also have reviewed his Sharingan skill observations in comparing Sasuke and Kakashi.
I mean, that Sharingan comparison is a very hard one:
He sees Kakashi unleash MS and open a sort of blackhole that almosts one shot an Akatsuki, and he sees Sasuke in his mind, supressing the Kyuub's chakra.
Both showed pretty impressive Sharingan skills.
DeDe: I never took what Naruto said about Kakashi seriously. Naruto was engaging in what we call hero worship. Kind of like when you are young and think your dad is better at everything than anyone else.
100% agree.
-Lee didn't do anything during the rescue Gaara arc (Well, he fought against some sort of double)
-Kiba we haven't even heard of his ninja missions.
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If you are looking from our point of view, after seeing all the fights and comparing them:
1. It does seem Shikamaru surpasses Kakashi in IQ.
2. There is no clear skill gap between Kakashi and Sasuke's sharingans.
3. Kiba we know nothing of his growth.
4. It seems rather far-fetched that Kakashi can rival a 4th gate activation taijutsu.
That's about it, imo.
1. It does seem Shikamaru surpasses Kakashi in IQ.
I agree with that, also Databook circle graph (don't recall its name) has Kakshi Intelligence High, but bellow from Shikamaru, Don't know if these stats can be compared.
4. It seems rather far-fetched that Kakashi can rival a 4th gate activation taijutsu.
Hmmm, Its hard to tell, but sure enough is not far-fetched.
4. It seems rather far-fetched that Kakashi can rival a 4th gate activation taijutsu.
That's about it, imo.
not really kakashi and gai are suppose to be rivals, that means that they are suppose to be equals. so that mean unless lee surpasses gai at 4 gates kakashi is better.
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Now that i think about it i guess kakashi shouldn't have a better sense of smell then kiba. it is true that kakashi was unable to find zabuza with his smell. but it may because zabuza scent was weakened by the water and only real dogs can smell it.
not really kakashi and gai are suppose to be rivals, that means that they are suppose to be equals. so that mean unless lee surpasses gai at 4 gates kakashi is better.
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Now that i think about it i guess kakashi shouldn't have a better sense of smell then kiba. it is true that kakashi was unable to find zabuza with his smell. but it may because zabuza scent was weakened by the water and only real dogs can smell it.
Well Kakashi couldnt smell even his blood on Zabuza .. he used dogs .. and Zabuza was not even far from him .. he standed almost in front of him.
Kiba always had better smell then Kakashi even as genin (i mean he almost strangulate from fart) .. and Shikamaru was always and will aways be smarter then Kakashi ..
I agree ofc that Kakashi used better sharingan then Sasuke in part 1 .. but now it is different story.
And i agree with dede it was only hero worship ..
So u cant answear simple question with YES or NO, becouse u know the truth .. I am not answering with yes or no "Because I do not have the answer". There is no for-sure information that would lead us in either way.
And did u ever saw how Kakashi plan 200 more tactics in head so he can use them if first fail, like Shikamaru can ? NoNo. But I know one thing. I haven't seen Shikamaru executing that many steps either. Or I will never see Shikamaru being able to execute that many steps ahead. Or I will never see Shikamaru in the future, in a fight that will let him calculate that many steps ahead.
What do all of that tell to you? Yes, calculating that many steps ahead is good, but can he be able to execute it in a fight? That is the matter, the applicable intelligence in a fight is important. Naruto having 100 times the chakra, doesn't mean he would be able to need or use that many chakra in his fights. And, despite having that chakra, he is still *perceivably* weaker than many people who have 1/40 or 1/50 of that chakra.
Well for me whole manga say otherwise.. if u wanna believe in santa claus becouse your mama told u he exist then ok. I wouldnt argue with u if u just answeared with YES or NO i just wanted to see your opinion without any reference information.I don't know what manga you are reading, but it is definitely not the one I am reading. The manga I am reading has never said who is better than who for Shikamaru, Kiba, Sasuke vs. Kakashi regarding the application of a few specifically selected areas in their fights. So, for me, it is still unknown.
If you want to believe otherwise, feel free to do so. But, know that it is not a "fact", it may be even much further away from the fact compared to the opposing opinion, and with no fact in your hand, don't try to force your opinion as fact. Hope, I made myself clear.
- shikamaru has high IQ level at 200plus. yes that we all know. we all also know that he can think of 200 battle strategies incase one fails.
kakashi.. we dont know how high his IQ is. it wasnt mentioned. he could be even smarter than shika. who knows right? keep in mind kakashi became jounin at 13 den joined anbu. doesnt his achievements have smthg to do with his intelligence?unless u are convinced that kakashi is just a normal ninja who's anbu entry was based on luck.
even if kakashi never thought of 200 strategies, so far he just thought of one and improvised from there. hassle-free. yes he was impressed with shika's ability to think ahead, who wouldnt? afterall shikamaru is still a chuunin and doesnt have much battle experience as compared to others.
- in the zabuza battle, kakashi wanted to end it fast so that he can restrain naruto. therefore he summoned his dogs to hold zabuza IN PLACE.
- sharingan.. of coz 2 eyes are better than one. but is one pair of 3-tomoe sharingan better than a single mangekyou?
@Sazelyt
Ok this is your point no more talking .. but when manga show who is better and who have better smell and better sharingan i will jubilate on this thread like i do on Team Sasuke thread..
- shikamaru has high IQ level at 200plus. yes that we all know. we all also know that he can think of 200 battle strategies incase one fails.
kakashi.. we dont know how high his IQ is. it wasnt mentioned. he could be even smarter than shika. who knows right? keep in mind kakashi became jounin at 13 den joined anbu. doesnt his achievements have smthg to do with his intelligence?unless u are convinced that kakashi is just a normal ninja who's anbu entry was based on luck.
even if kakashi never thought of 200 strategies, so far he just thought of one and improvised from there. hassle-free. yes he was impressed with shika's ability to think ahead, who wouldnt? afterall shikamaru is still a chuunin and doesnt have much battle experience as compared to others.
- in the zabuza battle, kakashi wanted to end it fast so that he can restrain naruto. therefore he summoned his dogs to hold zabuza IN PLACE.
- sharingan.. of coz 2 eyes are better than one. but is one pair of 3-tomoe sharingan better than a single mangekyou?
I didnt say that Kakashi is dumb and his becoming jounin with 13 dont mean anything .. becouse if that mean then Gaara is 500+ IQ becouse he is Kazekage..
Kakashi is smart and expirienced but he dont have bigger IQ then Shikamaru. Kakashi is smart and skillfull ninja and thats why he became jounin.
In the Zabuza battle he couldnt smell his blood on Zabuza, thats why he on purpos let his blood so his dogs can smell him and find him .. and if dogs could smell it then he dont have good smell .. Kiba would smell it easy ..
point of sharingan is stupid becouse Naruto didnt see him 3 years .. he was better user when Sasuke was in Konoha ..
It like someone with Glock(pistol) got killed by someone with Luger( pistol made 1898 year) that dont mean that Luger is better gun, it mean user is better ..
EDIT: @ xcad rofl becouse this whole conversation is about it .. i dont compare them, Naruto compared them saying that Kakashi have better smell then Kiba .. im saying that his words was just nonsense becouse he admire Kakashi strength.. I agree that whole this is offtopic thats why i said that to Sazelyt .. no more talking about this from me ..
bigger IQ doesnt necessarily mean smart if u dont use it on a daily basis. and i never said that u called kakashi dumb.
kiba lives with dogs. how can u compare kakashi and kiba?
and i just rewatched the zabuza battle to reconfirm.
i quote exactly from kakashi.
"since i cant track you down with my eyes or ears, i'll just have rely on my sense of smell"
"that's what happens when you cant see in the mist"
"this is a summoning technique used specially for tracking down one's opponents"
"i had purposely spilled some blood onto you while fending of your previous attacks"
"this is to leave my scent on your weapon"
"these are my cute ninja dogs, and their sense of smell far exceeds the range of any other dog"
"you're the one who has fallen into my trap"
there you have it, i exactly quoted from the naruto vcd i have.
and this is way offtopic. i apologise for me participating in the debate.
heh sorry inferno phoenyx.
Inferno Phoenyx
2007-04-05, 22:47
Has anyone seen something for 349 yet? Ugh, It's irritating not hearing anything other than who's better- Kakashi or Kiba/Shika/Sasu/Lee.
Deathwing
2007-04-05, 23:14
Page 13, chapter 256...it's NOT a filler :)
sorry my mistake (it just sounded so cheesy that i assumed it was)
@Sazelyt
Ok this is your point no more talking .. but when manga show who is better and who have better smell and better sharingan i will jubilate on this thread like i do on Team Sasuke thread..What happens in the future does not change anything regarding what we are discussing. We are talking about the manga "right now" based on the information given to us until the current chapter. You know, if Itachi dies in the hands of Sasuke at the end of manga, it wouldn't mean Sasuke is currently stronger than Itachi.
As a final note, the infamous Yellow Flash tried to do something similar to what you are proposing to the newest mod (bringing up the discussion that happened months or years ago as if it was something new), and the ending was a bit funny for the poster who brought up that topic.
What happens in the future does not change anything regarding what we are discussing. We are talking about the manga "right now" based on the information given to us until the current chapter. You know, if Itachi dies in the hands of Sasuke at the end of manga, it wouldn't mean Sasuke is currently stronger than Itachi.
Well that is my opinion right now and that is fact or we wouldnt see so many times someone say how Shikamaru is smart or how Kiba have enormous scent, and we wouldnt saw how Kakashi use dogs for smell tracking ..
As a final note, the infamous Yellow Flash tried to do something similar to what you are proposing to the newest mod (bringing up the discussion that happened months or years ago as if it was something new), and the ending was a bit funny for the poster who brought up that topic.
I guess stupid ppl always make fun of smart ones .. becouse there is more stupid ppl in world then smart ones.. but that Yellow Flash guy is prolly smart and im sad becouse stupid ppl made fun of him .. but what is important is that he was right and he know that, and stupid ppl was wrong and they know that in their mind but they didnt say that they r wrong they made fun of him .. that is pathetic and shame ..
IF it happen that im wrong i will say on this thread that i was wrong, i wont hide, like ppl on Team Sasuke thread hide now ..
4thandcomming
2007-04-05, 23:28
While it is interesting to debate who is better. Shouldn't that be a discussion for a new thread labeled "Who is better:blah, blah, or blah?"
What get's to me is that this is suppose to be a spoiler thread and the only spoiler I've found is the same one that's on every other naruto fan site and--it is clearly false or distorted. It's sad that you can only find a true spoiler about once a month.
We're all addicted fans here. That's why we're trying to find the spoiler rather than waiting for the manga or the anime to catch up.
Deathwing
2007-04-05, 23:47
yep naruto = crack:D
you get a little fix and are left begging for more
Well that is my opinion right now and that is fact or we wouldnt see so many times someone say how Shikamaru is smart or how Kiba have enormous scent, and we wouldnt saw how Kakashi use dogs for smell tracking ..I thought Kiba was using his dog for similar reasons. And, I wonder if you have ever wondered why Kakashi used many dogs instead of a single dog, if it would take only a dog's smelling ability to find something?
..but that Yellow Flash guy is prolly smart and im sad becouse stupid ppl made fun of him Right, right, I wonder, how many people you will be able to find that think the same way as you do. Maybe a few other banned posters...
Right, right, I wonder, how many people you will be able to find that think the same way as you do. Maybe a few other banned posters...
:heh: thats why there is many stupid ppl and few smart .. look closely who agreed with me and then u will see their explanation is good also .. banned ppl ? also i said smart ppl r penalized becouse of their gift .. brain
like now i can get banned for this but this is all truth .. u see .. no more talk .. shhh
Sharingan=Superman
2007-04-06, 00:26
What's the point in comparing people to one another. Shika could never beat Kakashi in a 1 on 1 battle.....that's way too obvious....neither could Kiba. And a comparison between Kakashi/Sasuke sharingan?. Kakashi could NEVER compare to Sasuke.......umm let's see.......Kakashi has said that Naruto is comparable or some what superior in strength to himself....what if he goes Kyuubi/tail form?. And Sasuke is stronger than Naruto......so......who gives a shit about Sharingan when Sasuke is stronger....more skilled....than Kak. Kakashi is only useful now because he at least HAS the sharingan....and apparently it is of some importance that there are 3 sharingan users.
The point is whether naruto's ideas are accurate are not haent been shown from the manga in detail. based on what we have seen, it can go either way.
Kakashi is and always was a genius, he was a highly intelligient ninja and a highly skilled one. Intelligience isnt direct, being able to think 100 moves ahead in go, doesnt mean your smarter than a astro physicist, it means your intelligient in a specific way. Kakashi has mastered all elemental jutsu, has the ability to form a useful seal on the curse seal in an emergency, came up with naruto's kage bunshin method in what way can you say shikamru has done anything that surpasses all these things? he beat hidan? after being exposed to him before and luring him into a trap? Hidan hardly seemed to be a man who thought 2 moves ahead. I dont know if based on what we know shika has surpassed kakashi's intelligence
Kiba's sence of smell and kakashi's may be exactly a like, we dont have much info on that. And as soemone said, he used the dogs to trap zabuza so he could execute a chidori without being able to use the sharingan to predict his opponents moves, no matter how good he smells, he cant chidori zabuza if he cant predict his movements thats the weakness of the thrust that is chidori. Also his dogs sense of smell are beyond normal dogs. He was shown as a id using smell to track his opponents, we really have no info on this.
sharingan can be argued either way, and we dont have enough info on sasuke.
The point is there is not enough evidence to say who is better at this point.
as far as the spoiler, bleh! need a lot more info shoudl be a raw out somewhere by now you d think
Lee probably trains 15 hours a day in just taijutsu.
My poor kawaii Lee.
We have not seen Lee for such a long time. The days of his youth are slowly fading into the sunset. :sad:
Yep be precautionary when u farting u may kill Kakashi becouse his scent is better then powered 1000 times Kibas .. Imagine his life walking throughout village full of animals ..
Frenchie
2007-04-06, 02:08
Kakashi rivalling Gai's taijutsu?
Kakashi might be up to the challenge by predicting and dodging a 4th gate activation technique with the sharingan, but not attain that level of speed and power. (Kakashi hasn't shown the kind of speed Lee has revealed with the 4th gate opening technique, nor that kind of impact in his punches.)
So far, we don't know if Kakashi can open gates.
I just don't see how he could possibly rival a 4th gate opening taijutsu with his own normal one if he can't open gates.
Sharingan is doujutsu. It doesn't increase your taijutsu skills per se.
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Oh and yes, this topic is pointless, but it keeps the thread going.
I think kakashi can open some of the gates, if we go back towhen he was teaching sasuke chidori he was climbing a cliff one handed and seem to to struggling until he appears to open the intial gate then fliew up the cliff, so i think it's possible for kakashi to open the gates he just choses not to since he has the sharingan.
Frenchie
2007-04-06, 03:11
That's really just speculation. ^^
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-04-06, 03:52
Oh dear...are you guys STILL talking about Kakashi? I never shouldve mentioned anything about it or the chapter...(sorry other victims :p)
Anyway how about we all share our thoughts about the next chapter. Rurik...you wanted one...here goes (i will try to keep it realistic :p)
Sasuke walks with his new companions heading towards their final target Juugo. Karin tries to think of a way to dispose of Suigetsu to be alone with Sasuke. She has a plan....
They are walking on water anyway...and comes up with an excuse not to make her clothes wet...she suggest that Suigetsu gets some fish to eat since she hasnt eat yet and asks if Sasuke is hungry... Sasuke says he's fine.. however...he thinks its a good idea to get something to eat since Juugo might be hungry aswell (he is isolated).
Suigetsu doesnt really mind and goes under water...to search something to eat..
Karin immediatly takes action, takes her glasses of and starts to flirt with Sasuke again...Sasuke looks still unimpressed..
Zetsu appears in Orochimaru's lair...Kabuto is still there...he tries to find clues about what really happend. He noticed Zetsu's prescence but acts as if he is unaware. He drops his guard on purpose....crying on the snakes skin.
Zetsu moves in closer...they want to eat them...then Kabuto jumps up....and throws exploding tags at him... the cave is starting to collapse.. we see Zetsu disappear under rocks falling on him... and Kabuto runs....the entire cave collapses from outside...Kabuto?
Back to Konoha...Naruto is already outside training again...Sakura is talking with Sai about the thing earlier at the ramen shop. He asks Sakura what Naruto ment with "the atmosphere". She doesnt understand but...tries to give some examples of a good or bad atmosphere.
Back to Sasuke....they arrive at the cave where Juugo is...but he isnt there...he is gone? Where is he asks Suigetsu? The isolated chamber where he was locked is empty and there are no signs of Juugo. Sasuke has a small grin on his face though..End
I guess stupid ppl always make fun of smart ones .. becouse there is more stupid ppl in world then smart ones.. but that Yellow Flash guy is prolly smart and im sad becouse stupid ppl made fun of him
Everybody here, being at least more than a few weeks on this forum, knows my attitude towards Yellow_Flash. BUT... Though this is an old topic I have to agree with SpiRo.
@Sazelyt: No, we never saw Shikamaru execute those 200 steps-ahead-thinking. But that isn't the point. He is smart enough to do that...
I guess we all should stop this crap, because hopefully 349's going to come out soon and we can flame each other on a chapter-based topic :D
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-04-06, 05:46
Ahhh FINALYY!! There are a huge amount of spoiler pictures....it seems almost like a complete raw version...if it isnt it... :)
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-04-06, 05:55
It seems that the spoiler was true afterall...
@Sazelyt: No, we never saw Shikamaru execute those 200 steps-ahead-thinking. But that isn't the point. He is smart enough to do that... Actually that is the point. When you are talking about how someone is *perceived* from the outside, you have to talk about what on the outside he can achieve based on his thinking, rather than what he thinks in his head.
Everybody here, being at least more than a few weeks on this forum, knows my attitude towards Yellow_Flash. BUT... Though this is an old topic I have to agree with SpiRo.Sorry, I didn't really get your view, which part of his opinion is right?
Frenchie
2007-04-06, 07:00
Actually that is the point. When you are talking about how someone is *perceived* from the outside, you have to talk about what on the outside he can achieve based on his thinking, rather than what he thinks in his head.
That doesn't make sense at all, though, does it?
You mean that no matter the IQ, if during battle two individuals come up with the same solution (as perceived from outside), but one thinked twice as much in the same amount of time, they are equal in terms of intelligence?
Nope, I'd have to disagree with that!
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-04-06, 07:20
:) Just saw one of the spoiler pic and i must say Sasuke will have another bad ass moment! He looks so awesome with his sword! He took out a guy with CS2 with ease! This will be a pretty good chapter i feel.Also Sasuke team may not be the strongest but they must be the best looking team you'll ever see, Juugo looks pretty cool.
Sabaku Kyu
2007-04-06, 07:44
:) Just saw one of the spoiler pic and i must say Sasuke will have another bad ass moment! He looks so awesome with his sword! He took out a guy with CS2 with ease! This will be a pretty good chapter i feel.Also Sasuke team may not be the strongest but they must be the best looking team you'll ever see, Juugo looks pretty cool.
Sasuke didn't fight anyone that chapter. They found the boy laying on the ground already injured, presumably by Juggo. Sasuke seems to be preparing to possibly battle Juggo, but Juggo seems to already be frightened/in awe of Sasuke since he reversed the transformation when he saw him so I doubt there will be any fighting next chapter
BTW, Juggo's CS transformation seems to resemble Sasuke's CS lvl 2 transformation more than any we've seen. Maybe there's something to that, or can we just chalk it up to lack of creativity?
EDIT: Actually. it doesn't seem the entire chapter has been released, maybe he does fight. I haven't seen the spoiler pics of it
That doesn't make sense at all, though, does it?
You mean that no matter the IQ, if during battle two individuals come up with the same solution (as perceived from outside), but one thinked twice as much in the same amount of time, they are equal in terms of intelligence?
Nope, I'd have to disagree with that!At the *perceived* level, they would be equal. I don't know which part of this is difficult to understand.
And, let me remind you that, part of the discussion is based on how he was perceived outside in terms of intelligence, and we are not talking about Hidan vs. Shikamaru, but two comparable intelligent beings.
And, by the way, if you are an outside observer that is only aware of the applicable results they came up with during the fight, what would you do? Try to give each of them IQ tests to see who is more smarter??? But, if you do not have that option, what would you do, wait for the decision of the God transferred to you?
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-04-06, 07:57
EDIT: Actually. it doesn't seem the entire chapter has been released, maybe he does fight. I haven't seen the spoiler pics of it
It does seem like he fights ( a very short fight), i haven't seen all the pictures to be sure but it seems Sasuke also kills someone i'm not sure! but it seems that way.
Sabaku Kyu
2007-04-06, 08:07
It does seem like he fights ( a very short fight), i haven't seen all the pictures to be sure but it seems Sasuke also kills someone i'm not sure! but it seems that way.
Hm, I'm pretty sure Sasuke doesn't kill anyone. There's a bit of confusion in the spoiler translations that mention Sasuke slicing someone in two, but the writers cite this as a possible mistranslation.
I think the scanner pics make it clear that Sasuke and his team find a severely injured boy on the ground, but aren't responsible for harming him. Juugo seems to be the one who was responsible for it and Sasuke prepares to fight him. What happens after that, I'm not sure, but Juugo reverses his transformation after seeing Sasuke.
Juugo is still in his cell, Sasuke slashed the man under CS2 who killed the guards.
Sasuke fans will be pleased the Sasuke Gaiden continues.
Sabaku Kyu
2007-04-06, 08:45
It does seem like he fights ( a very short fight), i haven't seen all the pictures to be sure but it seems Sasuke also kills someone i'm not sure! but it seems that way.
Juugo is still in his cell, Sasuke slashed the man under CS2 who killed the guards.
Ah. Well, I guess this was a misinterpretation on my part. The translation is vague The spoiler pics don't really show any fighting. But looking at one of the images closer, I can see blood flying of Sasuke's sword and the guy's body. So yeah, there was apparently a fight.
You missed it because it lasts about a split second ;)
One moment the guy is all threatening going CS2 on them and the following instant he's falling on the ground slashed by Sasuke.
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-04-06, 08:54
Not even Kishimoto can keep up with Sasuke's speed it seems :p
Is it just me or is Karin really starting to be an annoying ditz? Far more annoying that former Sakura. :mad:
Sabaku Kyu
2007-04-06, 09:11
You missed it because it lasts about a split second ;)
One moment the guy is all threatening going CS2 on them and the following instant he's falling on the ground slashed by Sasuke.
That and the pictures I was viewing weren't much bigger than a thumbnail view. Anyways, it's nice to see that Sasuke still doesn't have any qualms about killing when he sees fit.
Not even Kishimoto can keep up with Sasuke's speed it seems :p
It also provides a convenient explanation for not drawing any action.
That and the showing-the-heaps-of-defeated-enemies-but-not-ever-showing-how-it-happened trick he seems fond of.
Frenchie
2007-04-06, 09:18
Hm, Sazelyt, you're really into that "perceived" mode. A character in the Narutoverse might behave that way, but we, as viewers get a different perspective.
"We were talking about the fact that Shika was more intelligent than Kakashi. It's got nothing to do with the "perceived" intelligence, I'm pretty sure the topic was about the overall intelligence, as in their actual IQ, and not the one people from the Narutoverse perceive."
My comment was related to this interpretation of the topic.
What characters of the Narutoverse perceive -such as Naruto in that example- is fundamentally different from the information that we, viewers, get. I think that's pretty clear.
And, by the way, if you are an outside observer that is only aware of the applicable results they came up with during the fight, what would you do? Try to give each of them IQ tests to see who is more smarter???
Well, we're talking about an anime, here. I'm not an outside observer, I'm a fanboy watching.
But, if you do not have that option, what would you do, wait for the decision of the God transferred to you?
That's a bit flame-ish, I don't understand your impatience towards the topic.
It also provides a convenient explanation for not drawing any action.
That and the showing-the-heaps-of-defeated-enemies-but-not-ever-showing-how-it-happened trick he seems fond of.
Remember the Seinfeld episode where they were talking about "yade-yada" and how people "yade-yada" over the good stuff ... ?
Kish is doing the exact same thing to us. People read a NINJA MANGA to see FIGHTS ... not people walking around to find others or training. Thats the boring part. I wanna see hand to hand combat sometime this century. Please stop showing us the results of combat and show us the combat already.
I bet the final showdown versus whoever will be yade-yada'd over and we just see people cheering around the winner. -_-*
You missed it because it lasts about a split second ;)
One moment the guy is all threatening going CS2 on them and the following instant he's falling on the ground slashed by Sasuke.Unless there is a missing page in between. Even if that is not the case, Sasuke getting rid of a cursed seal level 2 opponent in between panels is not a surprise anymore, currently he is walking in a whole other dimension than all the other characters out there, including Itachi. Let's hope his fights with Akatsuki members will last more than what we are shown on Karin.
Hm, Sazelyt, you're really into that "perceived" mode. A character in the Narutoverse might behave that way, but we, as viewers get a different perspective.If your aim is to invalidate a character's viewpoint on something, that is your starting point, what he said and why he said. You can still argue against his opinion. But, as long as you *cannot* provide some information, some fact from the manga, to override that statement, I don't see why I should consider his opinion as something invalid.
Well, we're talking about an anime, here. I'm not an outside observer, I'm a fanboy watching.You might be an observer, but it doesn't change the fact that you are not in it. You cannot stamp something as fact or completely invalidate something stated by a character based solely on your opinion. I still say, that is Naruto's opinion, and it may be correct or incorrect. Based on the information provided to me, I don't know. If you say you know the answer, then please provide a fact to back up that statement, give us a *proof* that Naruto is wrong in his judgement.
That's a bit flame-ish, I don't understand your impatience towards the topic.Actually, that just points out to the way how some people present their opinions as facts.
That and the showing-the-heaps-of-defeated-enemies-but-not-ever-showing-how-it-happened trick he seems fond of.
No you misunderstand. It's not that the fight wasn't shown, there was no real fight to begin with. Sasuke defeated the guy in a split second.
He just walked through him like a bug.
Sabaku Kyu
2007-04-06, 09:54
Remember the Seinfeld episode where they were talking about "yade-yada" and how people "yade-yada" over the good stuff ... ?
Kish is doing the exact same thing to us. People read a NINJA MANGA to see FIGHTS ... not people walking around to find others or training. Thats the boring part. I wanna see hand to hand combat sometime this century. Please stop showing us the results of combat and show us the combat already.
I bet the final showdown versus whoever will be yade-yada'd over and we just see people cheering around the winner. -_-*
Lol :heh:
Sasuke: "There I am facing an army of 1000 ninjas right? Well, I pull out my Kusanagi, activate my cursed seal..yada, yada, yada...10 minutes later they're all defeated. So, You wanna grab some coffee?"
Yeah, I just think Kishi is trying to keep most of Sasuke's abilites under wraps. I understand that he doesn't like to reveal the abilites of the characters until the major fights, but he has to hype them up. That's why we never got to see Hidan and Kakuzu's battle before they actually fought with Asuma's team, we only saw the result. But still, more minor action in between the major battles would be good.
No you misunderstand. It's not that the fight wasn't shown, there was no real fight to begin with. Sasuke defeated the guy in a split second.
He just walked through him like a bug.
Right. I realize that. I was just saying it seems that Kishi has two preferred methods he likes to use when he doesn't want to show the true abilities of a character but still wants to convey how powerful they are.
The first method, is what happened this chapter, where the enemy is defeated by one swift attack that is too quick to be seen. The second, is to cut to a battle when it is over showing only the defeated enemy. I think these tricks are becoming a little overused in general but particularly with Sasuke. If they are going to focus on him, then it would be nice to see him actually fight.
I think these tricks are becoming a little overused in general but particularly with Sasuke. Who knows, maybe Kishi forgot to think ahead of the cursed seal and sharingan to actually come up with real fighting skills (if he is waiting for the MS to appear out of his magical hat, that is a reasonable policy). And, even if Sasuke were to show some fighting skills, like we have observed from Naruto as Rasengan, Oodoma Rasengan, Rasengan Shuriken, the technique Sasuke would show us will most likely be something sharing the name Chidori...
Kage_Spyke
2007-04-06, 10:08
But i dont understand how Kakashi have Mangekyou:confused:
Hears what i think the Mangekyo Sharingan has many different forms. Itachi said that he had to kill everyonje close to him is posess THESE eyes. that doesnt mean thats the only way to get it.
Right before Sasuke Left konoha Kakashi said that hes lost everyone dear to him already. so he knows the same loss as sasuke. and since Kakashi isnt an uchiha it had a different effect on him. Sasuke Chose to go with oro and gained power maybe he thought that if he severed all ties with the people he cared about(ppl of konoha) and never held a true bonding tie(killing oro) that he could acheive a greater MS then Kakashi or Itachi. Or hes gathering up these ninja to attack Team Kakashi and fight in this order
Juugo-Sakura
Karin-Sai
Suigetsu-Kakashi
Sasuke Naruto
or he could be fighting akatsuki maybe in this order
Juugo-Zetsu
Karin-Deidara
Suigetsu-Kisame
Sasuke-Itachi
which would leave the AL and tobi left, the 3 apparent Sharingan Users for some great purpose or whatever
Actually that is the point. When you are talking about how someone is *perceived* from the outside, you have to talk about what on the outside he can achieve based on his thinking, rather than what he thinks in his head.
Hmm let's see... The point was about being smart. Assuming Shikamaru's chakra lvl was 10 and Kakashi's lvl was 75. Shikamaru's IQ doesn't benefit him because he can't do jack against Kakashi's overwhelming force BUT he still is the smarter one. We saw that against Hidan... Now he has more chakra, stamina and is physically better. His thinking now is good enough too beat even an Akatsuki (ok a really dumb one, but anyways :) ). So if he can execute it or not isn't the point in my eyes because now he CAN benefit from it, but back then his physical condition was simply too bad, even for that mind.
Sorry, I didn't really get your view, which part of his opinion is right?
I think he is right about Shikamaru being smarter, Kiba having a better scent.. he admitted that Kakashi had a better Sharingan back then so this is ok too in my eyes.
Inferno Phoenyx
2007-04-06, 10:17
YAY SPOILERS!
wow. This pointless arguement is still continuing...? They should make a court of some sort, and you guys can go there. Ugh... its just been Kakashi vs. Shikamaru for the past severel pages.
Frenchie
2007-04-06, 10:36
Meh, Kishi doesn't develop the fights?
a) The opponents are nobodies.
b) Sasuke isn't the main character.
c) He keeps the juicy jutsus for later.
Why would he involve Sasuke in a developed fight in those circumstances? If it was essential for the main plot/ directly affected the main character/ or an essential step through sasuke's subplot, then perhaps. But fighting a random nobody? Who cares, heh.
What's the point of seeing more taijutsu ? Plot and character development are an essential part of a manga, you can't take that away from it ^^
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I'm not convinced, Sazelyt, I'll add to that the fact that Kakashi isn't all powerful, has spent most of his time in a hospital for the few last Shippuuden chapters. As an outsider, it suggests that he has a extremely well-balanced set of skills, all in good shape, but does not rival independantly the genins.
Otherwise, that would make them completely irrelevant to the story. Whatever happened to "The next generation will always surpass the last?"
Suigetsu-Kisame
I'm pretty sure that if Suigetsu called Zabuza senpai, Kisame would wipe the floor with him rather handily...
Its like watching a movie and skipping straight to the end because "we know Chuck Norris saves em all". Yes, we know Sasuke would win, but we want to see how. Its an action manga, so I think there should be some form of action in it. Tons in fact. Now the manga is training sequences and search sequences for months, then a fight for 3 minutes and more training / searching?
Anyone can easily predict thats not what the original fans got hooked on the show for. In fact, if we all didnt have any attachments to any characters and jumped into the manga currently or read a couple chapters ... you would be bored out of your skull and drop the stuff immediately.
Rurouni Zeke
2007-04-06, 11:11
Its like watching a movie and skipping straight to the end because "we know Chuck Norris saves em all". Yes, we know Sasuke would win, but we want to see how. Its an action manga, so I think there should be some form of action in it. Tons in fact. Now the manga is training sequences and search sequences for months, then a fight for 3 minutes and more training / searching?
Anyone can easily predict thats not what the original fans got hooked on the show for. In fact, if we all didnt have any attachments to any characters and jumped into the manga currently or read a couple chapters ... you would be bored out of your skull and drop the stuff immediately.
QFT mostly. It has gotten kind of boring. BUT, if I jumped into the manga right now I wouldn't necessarily drop it because I would be hoping for it to pick up (as I do with any series that starts out boring). I think it's just harder to be patient now having seen how good it can be. The action will come soon enough...I hope...
I guess I wouldnt mind it as much if I wasnt constantly hearing how overly amazing Sasuke is. Its just irritating after a while, really.
I mean ... Kabuto is still alive ... and escaped Zetsu. He obviously has some major role to play still if hes still hanging around and dodging Akatsuki members.
But nooo. The more important thing is that Sasuke slashed a minion. @__@
I wouldnt even have paid attention at all to that but the 1 000 000 posters here who made a big deal of it got me all riled up and angry.
I remember back when I actually used to like Sasuke. So loong ago. Now everyone overhypes every panel he's in. He's so easy to hate now. /rant
Ah well. Im still reading it so I guess theres still holding power in the manga. Though I cant find the source of it.
EDIT: Even the training sequences now dont have people sparring together. Just "zomg lo0k @ mai chakra" and thats it.
I guess I wouldnt mind it as much if I wasnt constantly hearing how overly amazing Sasuke is. Its just irritating after a while, really.
I mean ... Kabuto is still alive ... and escaped Zetsu. He obviously has some major role to play still if hes still hanging around and dodging Akatsuki members.
But nooo. The more important thing is that Sasuke slashed a minion. @__@
I wouldnt even have paid attention at all to that but the 1 000 000 posters here who made a big deal of it got me all riled up and angry.
I remember back when I actually used to like Sasuke. So loong ago. Now everyone overhypes every panel he's in. He's so easy to hate now. /rant
Hmmm i see only 2 posts who said something about Sasuke almighty and from same person. Others dont talk about "amagad he slashed a minion so mighty" or whatever u think .. they talk was he fighting or not and should it be more shown or not ..
So there is no 1 000 000 posts about "making big deal of it" so u just got angry becouse of 1 post who said about Sasuke in sarcastic way ..
Well i didnt read spoiler and didnt watch that pics and i dont want to. but i just hope they will show Konoha when news about Oro death arrive.
Inferno Phoenyx
2007-04-06, 12:18
I guess I wouldnt mind it as much if I wasnt constantly hearing how overly amazing Sasuke is. Its just irritating after a while, really.
Yeah, it's annoying, and I'm surprised that I'm continuing to read the series. Oh, well.
I really don't get why some people are surprised with the way Sasuke took care of the unknown CS2 prisoner. This is only the 7th chapter of this arc, Sasuke will probably not have a real fight before about 5~6 chapter and a real challenge that he might lose only toward the end of this arc.
As for MobiuS, nobody made this important but yourself for the moment.
I find particulary funny your remark about how you used to like Sasuke whereas you started your first day on this forum 1.5 years ago posting about how he was a stupid jerk.
Anyway I think I might like Juugo, from what he says in the last page of the chapter he seems completely psychotic ^^
No Hunter. I used to like the dude and everything because he brought a lot of flair to combat and stuff. His fight versus Oro was the first time I recall seeing string tactics at work. I liked it.
I started losing interest after he defacted to Oro's camp. Not because its Oro. Oro was my favorite character. Mostly because a lot of people kept going on and on about his awesomeness. Its pretty much the same thing Yellow Flash did. Yondaime was a really likeable guy but his constant overhyping made a lot of people get irritated and defensive as soon as anyone heard Yondaime.
Im not suprised Sasuke owned him in the least. Any lower would have been disappointing that he had no trouble with Oro but his minion was a bit of trouble. Im just suprised at how many people decided that THAT was the primary point of the paragraph, not the fact that Akatsuki now knows Oro is dead and Kabuto is being attacked, meaning the Akatsuki need him (dead or alive) for a reason.
ps. Hunter
Take a look at all the pages here and tally the amount of times Sasuke was discussed, Kabuto was discussed, Zetsu was discussed ... etc.
Then come back with the numbers to prove Im overexaggerating
Of course Sasuke is more present than secondary (if that) characters like Kabuto and worse Zetsu. It's particulary normal in an arc focused on Sasuke to begin with.
I'm exagerating but it's like complaining than there is more threads/chapters about Naruto than Ten-Ten.
Anyway back to the topic, it doesn't seem to me that Sasuke killed the escaped prisoner.
He slashed his arms, legs and torso to incapacitate him.
Kabuto is pwnsome .. i was hoping that Kabuto will follow Sasuke but :upset:
He is strong, smart and cunning .. also medical ninja with great knowledge, he must be usefull !
Sabaku Kyu
2007-04-06, 13:46
Anyway I think I might like Juugo, from what he says in the last page of the chapter he seems completely psychotic ^^
Indeed. The boy/girl talk wasn't about his sexuality, he was trying to decide which he liked to kill more.. :heh:
Suigetsu, with the fatigue and the water bottle ...I think this might be a weakness of his. His body can take on the properties of water and the side effect of that is that he must stay hydrated all the time or weakens quickly. That effect might increase when he uses his powers
Lol :heh:
Sasuke: "There I am facing an army of 1000 ninjas right? Well, I pull out my Kusanagi, activate my cursed seal..yada, yada, yada...10 minutes later they're all defeated. So, You wanna grab some coffee?"
Well done! haha
Can we get some spoiler pics in this thread? Yeesh.
Yay for Juugo being a cute psycho and not some scary psycho looking person (He looks really fimiliar though). Suigetsu has his sword handle and a drink bottle woo. And quite a graphic page this time instead of the pervy kind.
Kinda scary when that thing attacked Sasuke, but he pulled off probably his best pose yet with his sword and immobilized him (maybe he killed him but it's not like Sasuke.) Don't let Karin open Juugo's door or she's dead(maybe a good thing?) I wonder how Juugo will interact with Sasuke and co. I'll say Suigetsu opens the door with those arms of his. And they explained how CS was developed to tie up a loose end.
Long wait for 350 where Sasuke and Juugo meet.
Sabaku Kyu
2007-04-06, 14:33
Yay for Juugo being a cute psycho and not some scary psycho looking person (He looks really fimiliar though). Suigetsu has his sword handle and a drink bottle woo. And quite a graphic page this time instead of the pervy kind.
Kinda scary when that thing attacked Sasuke, but he pulled off probably his best pose yet with his sword and immobilized him (maybe he killed him but it's not like Sasuke.) Don't let Karin open Juugo's door or she's dead(maybe a good thing?) I wonder how Juugo will interact with Sasuke and co. I'll say Suigetsu opens the door with those arms of his. And they explained how CS was developed to tie up a loose end.
Long wait for 350 where Sasuke and Juugo meet.
Hitsugaya from Bleach? That's who I first thought of.
Can we get some spoiler pics in this thread? Yeesh.
The only pics show entire pages, and we can't post entire pages, but the chapter's already been released anyway. ;)
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-04-06, 14:47
Yup he didn't kill the guy... Sasuke only cut the guy's chest but also his arms and legs!
I think he did the same thing with the 1000 ninjas, he only wounded him. On a side note...
U...Uchiha Sasuke...? Please...save us...
People think of Sasuke as a saviour or something :heh: , you can't hate the guy now can you?:upset:
U...Uchiha Sasuke...? Please...save us...
People think of Sasuke as a saviour or something :heh: , you can't hate the guy now can you?:upset:
no i can't anymore :( , i hate when i want to hate someone and they won't let me
about chapter. i don't get sasuke saying that juugo will be the backbone of the group. shouldn't sasuke be the backbone...? or maybe he doesn't really consider himself part of the group.
also juugo does kind of remind me of toushiro and gohan a little. i hope he is really strong.
How's the Sasuke and Co. manga guys? Not bad? Seems more interesting than Naruto huh?
I wonder if we're going to get in any discrepancies here, like how Orochimaru gave the curse seal with just a bite...and where did Anko came into this. Perhaps she was older when she was given it, maybe she was one of the first.
Granted this is an interesting story it's sad to see the Naruto manga couldn't hold up to this especially during the series.
Oh well, still missing the old days of feeling and greatness from the Manga...when Naruto beat Mizuki, when he vowed to avenge Hinata, when he fought Gaara etc...and when he fought Kabuto. Pt1 had so many classic matches and arcs. I'm confused what arc Naruto Pt2 has that sticks in mind, except for the very beginning.
At least the Sasuke and Co. manga is looking alright, though I'm confused on how Sasuke seemingly changed. How can we even connect with a character who wants to be cold? At least he seemingly still has that trait.
about chapter. i don't get sasuke saying that juugo will be the backbone of the group. shouldn't sasuke be the backbone...? or maybe he doesn't really consider himself part of the group.
Sasuke didn't say that, in fact he barely opened his mouth this chapter.
How's the Sasuke and Co. manga guys? Not bad? Seems more interesting than Naruto huh?
I wonder if we're going to get in any discrepancies here, like how Orochimaru gave the curse seal with just a bite...and where did Anko came into this. Perhaps she was older when she was given it, maybe she was one of the first.
Granted this is an interesting story it's sad to see the Naruto manga couldn't hold up to this especially during the series.
Oh well, still missing the old days of feeling and greatness from the Manga...when Naruto beat Mizuki, when he vowed to avenge Hinata, when he fought Gaara etc...and when he fought Kabuto. Pt1 had so many classic matches and arcs. I'm confused what arc Naruto Pt2 has that sticks in mind, except for the very beginning.
At least the Sasuke and Co. manga is looking alright, though I'm confused on how Sasuke seemingly changed. How can we even connect with a character who wants to be cold? At least he seemingly still has that trait.
I dont know what u dont understand when everything is very clear ..
Anko is older then Sasuke, and she was Oros subordinate, before everone while he was still in Konoha.
I dont see how u think that someone who killed man without saying anything or making any expression on his face is not cold .. what is he, worm lovely person ? I dont say that Sasuke is cold blooded murderer, becouse he is not .. but cold .. sure he is !
Deathwing
2007-04-06, 15:36
im happy with this chapter we finally learn the orgin of the cursed seal
EDIT: also the next chapter is gonna be colored :D or that could just be my translation
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-04-06, 15:42
Haha Oh come on Mists, it's not so bad...give it two more chapters and i think the focus will be back with Naruto. I think he'll make an appearance in the next chapter. There's still a long way to go.
BTW what u guys think .. who will open the door ?
It will be troublesome if Karin do that ^^
EDIT: Oh yes .. Juugo look younger and cuter then i tought .. i hope they will give him peny so he can throw it who will kill .. just like guy in Batman ^^
Yup he didn't kill the guy... Sasukeonly cut the guy's chest but also his arms and legs!
I think he did the same thing with the 1000 ninjas, he only wounded him. On a side note...
U...Uchiha Sasuke...? Please...save us...
People think of Sasuke as a saviour or something :heh: , you can't hate the guy now can you?:upset:
Hey Hunter ... don't say I didn't say it.
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-04-06, 15:55
BTW what u guys think .. who will open the door ?
It will be troublesome if Karin do that ^^
EDIT: Oh yes .. Juugo look younger and cuter then i tought .. i hope they will give him peny so he can throw it who will kill .. just like guy in Batman ^^
Two-Face...
Sasuke will open the door, reach his hands out and Juugo will be sane again. As i expect of the Anointed One.
no i can't anymore :( , i hate when i want to hate someone and they won't let me
about chapter. i don't get sasuke saying that juugo will be the backbone of the group. shouldn't sasuke be the backbone...? or maybe he doesn't really consider himself part of the group.
also juugo does kind of remind me of toushiro and gohan a little. i hope he is really strong.
Sasuke didn't say that, in fact he barely opened his mouth this chapter.
:heh: Your hatred blinds u dude .
Two-Face...
Sasuke will open the door, reach his hands out and Juugo will be sane again. As i expect of the Messiah.
:heh:
The only Messiah I know is Jesus. What you are doing is considered flame-baiting. Stop it asap.
I dont know what u dont understand when everything is very clear ..
Anko is older then Sasuke, and she was Oros subordinate, before everone while he was still in Konoha.
I dont see how u think that someone who killed man without saying anything or making any expression on his face is not cold .. what is he, worm lovely person ? I dont say that Sasuke is cold blooded murderer, becouse he is not .. but cold .. sure he is !
That was exactly my point. I'm under the assumption that the new Sound 4 are relatively the same age. I guess Jugo would have to be older for the Anko thing to happen...
I wonder what Kabuto is doing...
We have to wait on Juugo being cute, although he is younger than I thought he would be. The fact that the lower half of his face is covered makes me wonder. He could still end up a psycho scary looking person. I have a feeling something is messed up with his mouth or something. Every team has had the less attractive guy. I am also getting a Hitsugaya vibe, but he could end up looking nothing like him when we get to see his whole face.
Karin vs Juugo next week. Can't wait.
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-04-06, 16:01
The only Messiah I know is Jesus. What you are doing is considered flame-baiting. Stop it asap.
:confused: Sorry, i didn't mean it like that i was only making a joke, if you feel that strongly about i'll change what i said, Sorry.
That was exactly my point. I'm under the assumption that the new Sound 4 are relatively the same age. I guess Jugo would have to be older for the Anko thing to happen...
I wonder what Kabuto is doing...
Technically he doesnt have to be. He could have been exhibiting such symptoms from birth or a very young age, Oro steals him and experiments on someone who had existed in his organization. Enter Anko.
Kabuto is .... on the run. We have no idea what he can do now. He lost all his experiments. He lost his lab. He lost his boss. Theres nothing more to be done ... so why is he still alive? Im terribly curious as to why Kish let him escape Zetsu.
That was exactly my point. I'm under the assumption that the new Sound 4 are relatively the same age. I guess Jugo would have to be older for the Anko thing to happen...
I wonder what Kabuto is doing...
I see your point .. u didnt explain good in first post .. hmm i guess Juugo is older then .. but how much :confused:
@ Mobius
Anko have 24 years .. if Anko was his subordinate with 12 that mean Juugo is atleast 18 now( if we take that Oro took him with 6 years) .. :confused:
Remember that Juugo came alone to Oro so that mean he was even older then 6 but nwm .. he sure is older then rest of team ...
Ero-Senn1n
2007-04-06, 16:10
Kabuto is .... on the run. We have no idea what he can do now. He lost all his experiments. He lost his lab. He lost his boss. Theres nothing more to be done ... so why is he still alive? Im terribly curious as to why Kish let him escape Zetsu.
Where did you get there? I don't remember Sasuke saying anything about Kabuto. My tip is that Sasuke gave a mission to Kabuto which was fitting him well: to spy on akatsuki or to finish one of Oro's last experiments. Sasuke needs more information on akatsuki so he needs someone smart as Kabuto. On Kabuto's side there might be also expectations, first of all he must be happy that Sasuke didn't kill him, but more importantly Kabuto maybe believes that Oro lives in Sasuke's body and someday will have a chance to come out. Also Kabuto may have some secret reason why he followed Oro and maybe Sasuke promised him to help him out in that, as we know Kabuto is too smart to simply be an Oro worshiper, there must be other reasons why he was following Oro's orders.
Great ... another chapter without Naruto T_T
At least we get to know where CS comes from...
Great ... another chapter without Naruto T_T
At least we get to know where CS comes from...
I prefer a chapter without Naruto than a chapter with Naruto in a totally irrelevant situations (like 2 chapters ago).
I just wonder how the anime crew will handle this part, since it seems out of question for them to air an episode without the blondie.
metharan
2007-04-06, 16:48
woah, another chapter of sasuke ownage! one swipe with his blade and he kills a CS lv 2 guy =___=" it looks cool, but please...this is getting out of hand...i want more character developement! :heh:
Where did you get there? I don't remember Sasuke saying anything about Kabuto. My tip is that Sasuke gave a mission to Kabuto which was fitting him well: to spy on akatsuki or to finish one of Oro's last experiments. Sasuke needs more information on akatsuki so he needs someone smart as Kabuto. On Kabuto's side there might be also expectations, first of all he must be happy that Sasuke didn't kill him, but more importantly Kabuto maybe believes that Oro lives in Sasuke's body and someday will have a chance to come out. Also Kabuto may have some secret reason why he followed Oro and maybe Sasuke promised him to help him out in that, as we know Kabuto is too smart to simply be an Oro worshiper, there must be other reasons why he was following Oro's orders.
You mention Sasuke running the show a lot concerning Kabuto, considering the fact that Oro knew Kabuto LONG before Sasuke got in the scene, Ild say Kabuto's alliances are more tied with Orochimaru than anything else. With the loss of his boss, Akatsuki probably looking to get him for some reason or the other ... it makes more sense for him to want to hide out on his own than run with Team Sasuke to his doom.
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-04-06, 17:07
I prefer a chapter without Naruto than a chapter with Naruto in a totally irrelevant situations (like 2 chapters ago).
I just wonder how the anime crew will handle this part, since it seems out of question for them to air an episode without the blondie.
You dont even have to ask....or should i say... arent 2 years of filler enough evidence that they can and will do whatever the want to make Naruto appear in it.
Probably a main reason why they skipped the Gaiden....those bloody bastards! :mad:
No no. They'll do some "Where's Waldo" thing and have him walking in the bakground while Sasuke is slashing people ...
tramadrama
2007-04-06, 17:12
You dont even have to ask....or should i say... arent 2 years of filler enough evidence that they can and will do whatever the want to make Naruto appear in it.
Probably a main reason why they skipped the Gaiden....those bloody bastards! :mad:
I DIDN'T EVEN NOTICE THAT!!!! I forgot all about the Kakashi Gaiden! That really does suck. But it would be real profitable if they saved it for another Naruto movie.
This chapter was okay, but I wonder if Juugo could cure the CS due to its artificial properties.
well sasukes gonna have to cure him or put some type of bandaid on him. A normal guy who goes nuts periodically isnt gonna be to useful to a team.
theorizing on the cursed seal now. it seems orochimaru takes his abilities property to transform and provide incredible boosts to skills, and abilities, and must wrap it in something related to himself, otherwise they would turn on him. this may be where the loss of free will comes, in some form, he probably encodes some type of failsafe or something. Maybe kakashi's seal messed up oro's control, he implied as much, but said sasuke would come anyway.
Really even though say people have surpassed kaakshi, he keeps showing his worth, the seal he put on sasuke, may have been oro's undoing. and his ability to come up with new techniques and what not. Hes probably the most impressive ninja in the naruto verse alive that we have been introduced to and seen in action. Jiraiya needs to come back and show his training wasnt soo ehh crappeh.
Well I see CS as some adrenaline related thingy. When you flare up and get mad in real life, you put your all in every punch and kick, hitting harder than you normally do ... running faster and possibly even longer due to rage.
I guess the Curse Seal is concentrated rage in seal form. Extra power you have that you can bust out when you need it :P
It seems Sasukes greatest strength is his spped. Which isn't a bad thing though. Unlike Rock Lee, he has plenty of ways to kill you in one hit and couple that with his speed, that makes him very dangerous, like Itachi. And i hate Sasuke so it pains me to say that.
Also, now that we've seen more of Karin, i think her hair is ugly. I guess Kishi still doesn't know how to draw fgirls well.
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-04-06, 17:58
Just realise something, but is it me or is Sasuke the most impressive character you have seen in Part 2 of the manga. We haven't seen the best of him yet, he could be more powerful than we imagine.
Why i have feeling that Kabutoi really loved Orochimaru .. and even that Orochimaru had some sort of love about him and great respect after saving his life when Tsunade wanted to trick him, then he started to trust him completely ?
Swifttiger
2007-04-06, 19:35
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u93/animefan1211/rock%20lee/Rock_Lee.gifWho cares about that I want to see naruto meet up with his old friends especially hinata,kiba and rocklee I want to see how much they have improved
Luminion Lancer
2007-04-06, 19:39
Who cares about that I want to see naruto meet up with his old friends especially hinata,kiba and rocklee I want to see how much they have improved
-You and me both but as it stands right now I think what Kishimoto is trying to do is trying up some loose ends. That however requires "informative" chapters which produce very little fighting (but not necessarily always). This aside, anyone get deja vu when seeing what seems to be Juugo? I can't help but feel that I've seen that face before...
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u93/animefan1211/rock%20lee/Rock_Lee.gifWho cares about that I want to see naruto meet up with his old friends especially hinata,kiba and rocklee I want to see how much they have improved
Rock Lee aka Green Goku!
Yondaime-The Fourth
2007-04-06, 19:54
Uhhh what?? kabuto escaped zetsu? what chapter was this? I dont even remember him encountering zetsu? I just remember when sasuke showed him how he defeated orochimaru and then sasuke walked to the lab to release suigetsu. Are you serious zetsu attacked kabuto? I thought the fighting in this chapter was damn good it was pretty exciting seeing so many people owned in so few pages.
Frenchie
2007-04-06, 20:49
When his two new teammates say that Juugo went to Orochimaru of his own free will... which "says a lot about how crazy he was" Sasuke looks a bit regretful.
He just doesn't look angry, he just looks saddened.
This aside, anyone get deja vu when seeing what seems to be Juugo? I can't help but feel that I've seen that face before...
I got the same feeling, but just can't put a name to it.
MysticNinjaJay
2007-04-06, 21:11
Well it's clear that Kishimoto has not foregotten about the Cursed Seal.
I wonder what else we will learn about it since he is dedicating entire chapters to Sasuke gathering his team and revealed its source to be Juugo.
this is starting to really get good!
though i think the manga needs to be called Sasuke now... lol
i wonder if Sasuke already knew that Juugo was the source of the cursed seal?
Inferno Phoenyx
2007-04-06, 22:50
hmm... that would be interesting...
BlackShinobi07
2007-04-06, 23:10
this is starting to really get good!
though i think the manga needs to be called Sasuke now... lol
i wonder if Sasuke already knew that Juugo was the source of the cursed seal?
Maybe the mange starting to get good because its recently been lacking a certain yellow haired ninja thats so untalented he has to rely on a completely different being for most of his victories. hmm...who knows. Anyway, as for this chapter, it nice to see some loose ends being tied up like the origin of the crused seal. i never would have thought that its soure was an actual person. so then does that make it his kekkei genkai? i wonder what his transformed state will look like.
I dunno, now that he knows to train with Kage Bunshin, his strength, speed, etc. can make leaps and bounds in a quick amount of time. But....the ball is in Kishimoto's court, and as of lately I dont know what the hell to expect lol
xPresagio
2007-04-06, 23:27
I got the same feeling, but just can't put a name to it.
Looks like the "rhino" guy (modified/chymera special forces) from Full Metal Alchemist, and also somewhat similar to the CS2 from the Sound guy that faced Chouji.
If that's Juugo -the CS original owner- then he truly got a pretty boring/uninteresting design (never mind the lame CS2 form). In the first frames, his body and hair looked like the dark Ichigo from Bleach, although the overall concept sort of reminds me to Broly, the original Super Saijan in DBZ.
Other than that, the revelation kind of destroys the "magic" side of the CS as well as greatly reduce Oro's reputation: it's no longer a sinister seal full of dark elements or whatever, but just a substance extracted (and at most, somewhat enhanced) from another guy. A guy that he didn't even have to search for.
Actually, as it's presented now, it seems more like the kind of work made by Kabuto, rather than by Oro.
Karin antics may get old in the future, as well as the "..." from the oh so great Uchiha. He is probably training his speech skills to not lose against Itachi. So dedicated..
I think that first CS2 dude was just some random "infected?" person. Think we're yet to see Juugo's actual CS transformation, if he has one.
I'm kinda hoping Karin opens the door at the moment :p maybe we'll finally get some action?
xPresagio
2007-04-07, 00:32
I think that first CS2 dude was just some random "infected?" person. Think we're yet to see Juugo's actual CS transformation, if he has one.
Yes, or at least I hope so. Such face was shown transforming while Karin was explaining that the source of the CS was Juugo, so can't tell for sure.
That's why the "IF that's Juugo".
Otherwise, it would be quite anticlimactic.
On the other hand, the return to the CS might imply that they will need Kabuto's help, to revert or at least reduce the impact of the enzymes. Unless Karin's skills are also related to medicine/chemistry, that is.
ShikaShika
2007-04-07, 01:01
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u93/animefan1211/rock%20lee/Rock_Lee.gif
I nothing else, at least Rock Lee has a long belly dancing career in front of him.
kishinfoulux
2007-04-07, 01:12
another "meh" chapter. kishi has gotten really out of hand with this sasuke "power up" nonsense. they introduce a new character just so he can get pwn'd instantly without any effort...wow...just wow. and this guy just so happens to be the "origin" of the curse seal? that's pretty lame. oh well...
*patiently waits for Naruto to return and save the manga*
Rurouni Zeke
2007-04-07, 01:21
another "meh" chapter. kishi has gotten really out of hand with this sasuke "power up" nonsense. they introduce a new character just so he can get pwn'd instantly without any effort...wow...just wow. and this guy just so happens to be the "origin" of the curse seal? that's pretty lame. oh well...
*patiently waits for Naruto to return and save the manga*
Juugo wasn't the one who got pwned. It's not too much of a problem if Sasuke pwns nobodies anyway; I'd get kinda upset if he suddenly had to make an effort against randoms after offing Orochimaru.
These chapters aren't really so exciting to me. Everyone else seems to be going nuts over them. Maybe I'm missing something lol.
Deathwing
2007-04-07, 01:29
Wow u guys need to relax he just beat up a random oro prisoner not anybody important.
I like the fact that the manga is showing a diffrent side of the story rather than naruto every chapter.
kishi may have forgotten about his old characters but at least the new one are getting screentime and a back story.
Besides naruto has had most of the last 300 chapters.
I just wish sasukes team would go all out already:(
Rurouni Zeke
2007-04-07, 01:37
Wow u guys need to relax he just beat up a random oro prisoner not anybody important.
I like the fact that the manga is showing a diffrent side of the story rather than naruto every chapter.
kishi may have forgotten about his old characters but at least the new one are getting screentime and a back story.
Besides naruto has had most of the last 300 chapters.
I just wish sasukes team would go all out already:(
...I just said that he beat up a random nobody...
And it's cool that you like it; I was just saying it's kind of boring for me right now. I'm already relaxed thanks :)
another "meh" chapter. kishi has gotten really out of hand with this sasuke "power up" nonsense. they introduce a new character just so he can get pwn'd instantly without any effort...wow...just wow. and this guy just so happens to be the "origin" of the curse seal? that's pretty lame. oh well...
*patiently waits for Naruto to return and save the manga*
:twitch: roflmao :confused: i dont know what u watch or read .. but once again, hatred does blind ppl :heh:
I wouldn't be surprised if Juugo shows off CS3 at some point in his final fight when Rock Lee or whoever kills him.
Rurouni Zeke
2007-04-07, 02:03
I wouldn't be surprised if Juugo shows off CS3 at some point in his final fight when Rock Lee or whoever kills him.
Rock Lee is a mirage. You think he's going to be in the story, then bam. He disappears.
For anyone that's confused, some of the scanlations are missing the last page... Sasuke pwned some random guy with a cursed seal; Juugo is still sitting in his cell.
MysticNinjaJay
2007-04-07, 02:24
so then does that make it his kekkei genkai? i wonder what his transformed state will look like.
I would not call this a bloodline trait.
This is more akin to Shodaime's unique ability to control Bijuu which was inherited by Yamato through gene splicing.
Notice that Tsunade, Shodaime's direct descendant, does not have this ability. It is not a trait of Shodaime's family it is a trait for him personally, for whatever reason (how the hell can a person's biological makeup give them the ability to control bijuu? :confused: ).
Orochimaru must have extracted Juugo's blood to create a venom he injects into Curse Seal candidates to give them the ability (somehow it is emitted through his fangs because he gave Sasuke the seal by biting him like a snake).
I think Juugo's character is pretty much going to play the role of the classic berserker, who comes off like a schizo and then goes truly insane, transforming and showing all kinds of demonic power.
I'd expect him to be the wild card on Team Sasuke. Sasuke seems to be very selective with who he chooses for his team so they are all sure to have unique abilities that will become significant for whatever agenda he is plotting.
Rock Lee is a mirage. You think he's going to be in the story, then bam. He disappears.
ZOMGROFL!!!! Rock Lee is like Kaiser Soze -- "And like that! He's gone..."
yeah, i realized that some people think he killed Juugo already.
Juugo was sitting in his cell deciding if he wanted to kill a guy or a girl.
at the end he decides that if the next person who comes through the door is a girl, he will kill her. Sasuke better get himself a beard! his bishiness will confuse Juugo!
seriously though, I wonder if that's the "usefullness" that Sasuke said Karin had... to be the girl that Juugo kills.... that would be f'ed up.
Sarugaki
2007-04-07, 07:38
If that's Juugo -the CS original owner- then he truly got a pretty boring/uninteresting design (never mind the lame CS2 form). In the first frames, his body and hair looked like the dark Ichigo from Bleach, although the overall concept sort of reminds me to Broly, the original Super Saijan in DBZ.
Other than that, the revelation kind of destroys the "magic" side of the CS as well as greatly reduce Oro's reputation: it's no longer a sinister seal full of dark elements or whatever, but just a substance extracted (and at most, somewhat enhanced) from another guy. A guy that he didn't even have to search for.
Good points.
Juggo is probably a berserker with an insane chakra pool. I wonder if he will be matched up against Naruto or Kisame.
It looks like Kishimoto had no idea of how he was going to explain the CS later on.
At first, all the elements evoked evil powers at play : cursed seal, forbidden jutsu, vampire style infection, evil suppresser seal, tomoe marks, berserker rage, dimension barriers to keep the soul in the body and activate CS2, transformations into monsters
Now it is just a regular medical jutsu. Sounds like a typical case of retroactive continuity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retcon) to me.
You should re-read the definition then. We knew nothing about the genese of the CS so Kishimoto could come up with anything for its origin without any need for retcon.
In this case it all stick anyway. Oro altered Juugo's body fluid/enzimes to be used on any ninja (albeit strong enough to wistand the physical trauma) and created a seal to allow its user to release the substance at will in their body.
The substance increases physical's aspects of its user depending of their potential (kind of Captain America's serum in a evil way) and give the user murderous urges.
Using the CS too often probably makes the users loosing it and drives them insane.
Sarugaki
2007-04-07, 09:05
You should re-read the definition then. We knew nothing about the genese of the CS so Kishimoto could come up with anything for its origin without any need for retcon.
Addition
Some retcons do not directly contradict previously established facts, but "fill in" missing background details, usually to support current plot points.
Point is, Orochimaru was heavily hyped up back then, now Kishi makes him and his techniques look more human since he's gone.
Hes a ninja scientist after all. This doesn't make me any less impressed with him.
I mean:
1.) He had to extract the liquid safely from Juugo.
2.) Convert what is currently a liquid into something generated by a seal.
3.) Find a way to make the seal irremovable.
4.) Make the seal trigger-able at his whim.
5.) Make the seal trigger when you are in combat.
Its essentially like an unremovable summoning seal inflicted via bite. He summons the potent toxin in you and skeets on you.
Remember Anko? She thought the seal was gone but he retriggered it when he wanted to and strolled away. Essentially once he seals you ... you are done. You can never beat him. Kakashi threw a wrench in his plans with that counter-seal , allowing Sasuke to tap into CS power without the control of Oro over him. perhaps he thought he was adding to the Konoha arsenal. So wrong ...
I heard a few ppl say that Karin is going to die if she opens the door. That would be the worst case scenario but if Juugo attacks Karin when she opens the door Sasuke will just intervene and save Karin.
Rurouni Zeke
2007-04-07, 11:58
I heard a few ppl say that Karin is going to die if she opens the door. That would be the worst case scenario but if Juugo attacks Karin when she opens the door Sasuke will just intervene and save Karin.
I actually hope the plan is that he lets those two go at it for a bit as a sort of "test", then he steps in and breaks up the fight before either of them kills the other. It would spice things up a little bit.
I would not call this a bloodline trait.
This is more akin to Shodaime's unique ability to control Bijuu which was inherited by Yamato through gene splicing.
Notice that Tsunade, Shodaime's direct descendant, does not have this ability. It is not a trait of Shodaime's family it is a trait for him personally, for whatever reason (how the hell can a person's biological makeup give them the ability to control bijuu? :confused: ).
Orochimaru must have extracted Juugo's blood to create a venom he injects into Curse Seal candidates to give them the ability (somehow it is emitted through his fangs because he gave Sasuke the seal by biting him like a snake).
I think Juugo's character is pretty much going to play the role of the classic berserker, who comes off like a schizo and then goes truly insane, transforming and showing all kinds of demonic power.
I'd expect him to be the wild card on Team Sasuke. Sasuke seems to be very selective with who he chooses for his team so they are all sure to have unique abilities that will become significant for whatever agenda he is plotting.
actually in my opinion This fits perfectly with a bloodline trait, the fact that it was passed down with his genes, when he is shown doing it, it seems to have something to do with his wood, so most likely it is a side effect or product of his earth+water abilities, and the nature of that chakra. As for tsunade having it, if it was a dominant or recessive trait, it isnt likely tsunade whould inherit it. as the grand daughter, its only 50% chance she would have the ability, and if her parent didnt have it, then no chance. If its recessive, then unlikely she would have it unless someone her parent got down with happened to have the trait. If its one of the other types then who can say.
the whole problem with the schizo/psycho card is, apparently hes not a dude suigetsu would hate, or even think is an ahole, except when its been too long. And even if he remains schizo/psycho that totally destroys his team, you cant expect a insane madman to cooperate. The most interesting thing will be how he gets him to cooperate.
I'm actually enjoying these chapters. I like action but we need progress in the story to get anywhere. I hate Sasuke abd love Naruto but we get too much Naruto and not enough of the side characters. Sasuke isn't a side character but we're getting introduced to new ones and learning about Orochimaru and his village as a result. I'm content with the subject at hand.
-HyugaNeji-
2007-04-07, 12:29
Hm, can someone please explain to me, how those prisoners already KNOW that Orochimaru is dead? Why the hell does already everyone knows he's gone...That makes NO sense at all -_- Do i smell plothole no jutsu or am i just forgetting sth? Enlighten me plx.
Point is, Orochimaru was heavily hyped up back then, now Kishi makes him and his techniques look more human since he's gone.
If you read what this particular type of retcon is about you will see it isn't about mere explaination of already existing element within the plot.
This isn't a "here what really happened between X and Y events giving a new light to what Z event really meant" kind of thing.
And I really don't see how that made Oro looks like less than he is. Experiencing on human subjects to create/use new abilities always was what Oro has been about. That's essentially what he did to give Yamato the ability of Shodai except more advanced since he can give it to anyone who can handle it.
Hm, can someone please explain to me, how those prisoners already KNOW that Orochimaru is dead? Why the hell does already everyone knows he's gone...That makes NO sense at all -_- Do i smell plothole no jutsu or am i just forgetting sth? Enlighten me plx.
Sasuke recruiting his team lasts for days. Oro's hideouts are all over the countries, for all we know it's been weeks since Oro was defeated.
He's the leader of the Sound, his subordinates are eventually bound to heard that he's gone. Add to this the prisonners that Sasuke & co set free and who propagated the news and you have the answer.
after these couple chapters, i wonder if Oro had so many minions under his control, why didnt he send more of them to retrieve sasuke in Part 1?
seems kinda dumb to send only the sound 4, when he has people like juugo, and possibly suigetsu and karin? not to mention 100+ other captives...
after these couple chapters, i wonder if Oro had so many minions under his control, why didnt he send more of them to retrieve sasuke in Part 1?
seems kinda dumb to send only the sound 4, when he has people like juugo, and possibly suigetsu and karin? not to mention 100+ other captives...
Well, that's just it. They were captives. They were his experiment subjects, why would he send them? They'd just run. There weren't many that were loyal enough as the Sound 4 were. Remember also that the Sound 4 had specialties in sealing, and one of the things they did was further awaken the CS. Maybe they were the only ones who knew how to do it.
Asianknight82
2007-04-07, 13:50
Is it just me or does Karin have a mole/pimple/wart on her lower lip? kinda disturbing...
kishinfoulux
2007-04-07, 14:09
Juugo wasn't the one who got pwned. It's not too much of a problem if Sasuke pwns nobodies anyway; I'd get kinda upset if he suddenly had to make an effort against randoms after offing Orochimaru.
These chapters aren't really so exciting to me. Everyone else seems to be going nuts over them. Maybe I'm missing something lol.
My mistake I assumed it was him. I'm glad it's not because the cursed seal form looked pretty generic and him getting owned so easily is not the best way to introduce a character.
Than again this guy was cursed seal 2 which is nothing to snooze at so I still remain firm with what I said originally. Generic henchman or not I don't see why it's necessary to throw all this fodder Sasuke's way. We get it. He magically became stronger through bad writing. At least have one of the others dispatch him instead.
Oh and I don't think your missing anything. I honestly don't see what's to go nuts over these past few chapters. Once the Oro fiasco ended the interest dropped immensely.
:twitch: roflmao :confused: i dont know what u watch or read .. but once again, hatred does blind ppl :heh:
I read Naruto, which is currently being hijacked by Sasuke who should leave the duties of main character to Naruto. It has nothing to do with hatred. But honestly Sasuke isn't main character material. He barely said a word these past few chapters. I know thats his "character" but it's not suitable for a lead role.
maybe its supposed to be a beauty mark
Asianknight82
2007-04-07, 15:13
beauty mark, is just a nice name for mole, either way a mole on the lip? :gag:
Is it just me or does Karin have a mole/pimple/wart on her lower lip? kinda disturbing...
It's lips glow, Kishimoto started to draw that on female characters a few volumes ago. Kurenai has the same thing, actually Haku had too if I remember well ^^
tkdtiger
2007-04-07, 15:37
I felt that this chapter was kind of short. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't great either. It just seemed veru short compared to the others...
When his two new teammates say that Juugo went to Orochimaru of his own free will... which "says a lot about how crazy he was" Sasuke looks a bit regretful.
He just doesn't look angry, he just looks saddened.
This made me lol...
My mistake I assumed it was him. I'm glad it's not because the cursed seal form looked pretty generic and him getting owned so easily is not the best way to introduce a character.
Than again this guy was cursed seal 2 which is nothing to snooze at so I still remain firm with what I said originally. Generic henchman or not I don't see why it's necessary to throw all this fodder Sasuke's way. We get it. He magically became stronger through bad writing. At least have one of the others dispatch him instead.
Oh and I don't think your missing anything. I honestly don't see what's to go nuts over these past few chapters. Once the Oro fiasco ended the interest dropped immensely.
I read Naruto, which is currently being hijacked by Sasuke who should leave the duties of main character to Naruto. It has nothing to do with hatred. But honestly Sasuke isn't main character material. He barely said a word these past few chapters. I know thats his "character" but it's not suitable for a lead role.
Truer words have never been said. Since Sasuke left Konoha, he hasnt as much as gained a single scratch from anything. Combat or training. Thats just bs.
It seems Kish is devoting more time to the sharingan than to the actual plot of the manga. Everything has become so sharingan centred we dont even remember what a normal fight feels like.
Sharingan=Superman
2007-04-07, 16:01
Does anyone else think that Madara might be the leader of Akatsuki ?. I mean....Itachi is following his orders..........and maybe Itachi kept Sasuke alive because there needs to be 3 ms users. Itachi also killed the entire clan leaving Sasuke to live as an avenger to seek Itachi out to kill him. I believe that when Sasuke confronts the Akatsuki this time....Madara will reveal himself. This is probably likely to happen and it'll be easier to elaborate on this theory when we see Naruto the next time....and we can see just what Konoha's motives are.
Truer words have never been said. Since Sasuke left Konoha, he hasnt as much as gained a single scratch from anything. Combat or training. Thats just bs.
It seems Kish is devoting more time to the sharingan than to the actual plot of the manga. Everything has become so sharingan centred we dont even remember what a normal fight feels like.
Actualy i dont mind that the center of attention is Sasuke rite now,to be honest i find him much more interesting than Naruto,i mean Naruto`s story is he has a nine tail demon in him n he wants to become hokage,Sasuke on the other hand had his parents n clan killed by his own brother!!i think thats pretty deep and dark,alot more interesting but thats just my opinion.
yeah like 100 other guys mostly in : maybe akatsuki leader is...,uchiha madara,mange. sharingan topics...
When was the last time he spoke about the so called mother and father he plans on avenging?
its all about his desire to be better than Itachi now.
@Superman
Can you make a list of 10 things you know about Madara? If you can't what makes you think he could be the AL when you know absolutely nothing about him?
Why can't WhiteFang be AL? Why can't it be some ex-Kage who turned bad? WHy Madara?
Luminion Lancer
2007-04-07, 16:24
-Oi vei, what series am I supposed to be reading? "Sasuke"? Well I guess I shouldn't complain since this was bound to happen. The guy was out of comission for 80+ chapter so it's only natural that a few be dedicated to him, even at the expense of Naruto losing his panel appearance. I think this is one of those few chapters where he is not seen at all. It's not really a bad thing but it makes one question the author's credibility (wasn't Naruto the one to have been the one to "save" Sasuke?). In any case I believe that once the team has been assembled the story will switch back to Konoha's side and the Akatsuki.
-Also, upon closer inspection Juugo really does resemble Hitsugaya from Bleach, hair and all. The only difference I can see is the apparent height and the way the eyes are drawn. Other than appearance however, he really does catch the person's eye with his speech.
Ero-Senn1n
2007-04-07, 17:21
Does anyone else think that Madara might be the leader of Akatsuki ?.
Just think about it how overpowered would the sharingan be if even the leader was Uchiha. If that were true than the 3 strongest known living ninja are Uchiha. I think it's enough that Itachi and Sasuke are that strong, and Sasuke has the potential to get MS too.
In my opinion Kishimoto wants to make the strongest people to be non-bloodline ones, that is ninja who have become strong not because of their bloodline but because of their knowledge. Which means that people like the 3rd, 4th hokage had no special bloodline or genetic powers, and probably neither the akatsuki leader will have. It's a general storytelling pattern that the power of the spirit/soul in the end wins over body powers.
:heh: Your hatred blinds u dude .
What hatred...:confused:?
I just mad a mistake of reading a fake spoiler on another forum. just cause i have a naruto sig doesn't mean i am naruto fan boy and sasuke hater. in fact i just found out i was born in the year of the snake so i might change sig and avatar to orochimaru.
i have a feeling it will be sasuke to open the door. and juugo won't do anything cause its a boy. its too early for anyone to show their special abilities.
It's lips glow, Kishimoto started to draw that on female characters a few volumes ago. Kurenai has the same thing, actually Haku had too if I remember well ^^
it looked like lip warts rather than lip glow :p
Karin reminds me of Kabuto, not just with the glasses but the unspoken loyalty to her master.
Luminion Lancer
2007-04-07, 19:28
it lookd like lip warts rather than lip glow :p
Karin reminds me of Kabuto, not just with the glasses but the unspoken loyalty to her master.
-That "unspoken loyalty" turned over a new leaf pretty quickly when Sasuke entered the picture...or did it?
-That "unspoken loyalty" turned over a new leaf pretty quickly when Sasuke entered the picture...or did it?
but who is her master?
Luminion Lancer
2007-04-07, 19:43
but who is her master?
-Itachi maybe? She could have been sent as another spy to keep tabs on Orochimaru, like how Kabuto was supposed to. Except she's under no influence from a mind-control jutsu.
That Other Ninja
2007-04-07, 19:47
Juugo looks like an unkempt Hidan to me.
Sabaku Kyu
2007-04-07, 19:48
-Oi vei, what series am I supposed to be reading? "Sasuke"? Well I guess I shouldn't complain since this was bound to happen. The guy was out of comission for 80+ chapter so it's only natural that a few be dedicated to him, even at the expense of Naruto losing his panel appearance. I think this is one of those few chapters where he is not seen at all. It's not really a bad thing but it makes one question the author's credibility (wasn't Naruto the one to have been the one to "save" Sasuke?). In any case I believe that once the team has been assembled the story will switch back to Konoha's side and the Akatsuki.
I kind of enjoy Naruto not being featured, esp if he's not really doing anything at the moment (he still has to heal). It gives a sense that Naruto is just one person in a world full of people with their own stories and problems, I think that makes the story more complete. Regarding Naruto not being able to save Sasuke, I don't think Naruto was ever meant to rescue Sasuke from Oro in the "damsel in distress" sense. Instead, it's closer to what Jiraiya tried to do for Oro. "Saving" Sasuke means making him realize that friendship is more important revenge, that he should come back to Konoha, blah, blah, blah.. something that wouldn't be accomplished just by defeating Oro.
Just think about it how overpowered would the sharingan be if even the leader was Uchiha. If that were true than the 3 strongest known living ninja are Uchiha. I think it's enough that Itachi and Sasuke are that strong, and Sasuke has the potential to get MS too.
It would be anti-cimatic for sure. I would rather see Madara used as a reference that ties in with the whole history and purpose of the Uchiha clan rather than a actual living character.
it lookd like lip warts rather than lip glow :p
Karin reminds me of Kabuto, not just with the glasses but the unspoken loyalty to her master.
Lip warts...:heh: I wonder if valacyclovir exists in the Naruto world. Sasuke should think twice before trying to restart the Uchiha clan with her huh?
But when you speak of loyalty you are talking about Oro or Sasuke? Technically, her master is Oro and she's sort of betrayed him by allying herself with Sasuke. If you're talking about Sasuke, she hasn't acknowledged him as her master.
Frenchie
2007-04-07, 20:50
When was the last time he spoke about the so called mother and father he plans on avenging?
its all about his desire to be better than Itachi now.
I don't think that's what Kishi tried to communicate. When he is fighting with Orochimaru in the very beginning of this arc's chapters, we see Sasuke, sickened by Oro's ways. With the appropriate flashback.
Meaning it's not just about his brother, anyone following that kind of path is a sicko in his mind, and should be dealt with.
onepiecelover
2007-04-08, 01:32
Wow many people seem to be enjoying these chapters....am I missing anything interesting ?
I don't think that's what Kishi tried to communicate. When he is fighting with Orochimaru in the very beginning of this arc's chapters, we see Sasuke, sickened by Oro's ways. With the appropriate flashback.
Meaning it's not just about his brother, anyone following that kind of path is a sicko in his mind, and should be dealt with.
Im going to ask you kindly right now to refrain from ever quoting me or commenting on my posts for any reason. matter of fact dont even direct any comments in my direction. Just put me on your ignore list.
Wow many people seem to be enjoying these chapters....am I missing anything interesting ?
And no. Nothing exiting ever happens. Just Sasuke fans going crazy again over nothingness. *sigh*
Wow many people seem to be enjoying these chapters....am I missing anything interesting ?
I'm pretty sure you are because now that Sasuke plans to make his own version of the Sound 4. He is just about to meet the origin of the CS.
Also yeah that thing on Karin looks more like a mole/bump than gloss. In the next chapter I want to see Juugo and Karin fight and maybe even Sasuke getting Juugo to explain why he went to Orochimaru.
Frenchie
2007-04-08, 04:25
I never thought of it as a mole, I always assumed she had glossy/shiny lips.
Heh, considering the flirty nature or seducing part of the character, I'm quite willing to bet it's not a big mole :p
ShikaShika
2007-04-08, 07:20
If it was a mole it would be part of her character design, i.e. it would always be visible.
Also, on the interest of the last few chapters, I'm personally very intrigued as to what Sasuke's agenda really is, and the way he's gathering up his own crew. My guess is that if you don't find the last few chapters interesting, then you most likely do not like Sasuke (or find him very interesting). That said, it could move along a little faster, but then again introducing characters takes a little time, and we've basically gotten three characters in three chapters so I guess that's pretty effective.
That Other Ninja
2007-04-08, 10:14
If it was a mole it would be part of her character design, i.e. it would always be visible.
Also, on the interest of the last few chapters, I'm personally very intrigued as to what Sasuke's agenda really is, and the way he's gathering up his own crew. My guess is that if you don't find the last few chapters interesting, then you most likely do not like Sasuke (or find him very interesting). That said, it could move along a little faster, but then again introducing characters takes a little time, and we've basically gotten three characters in three chapters so I guess that's pretty effective.
I dislike Sasuke and still find the last few chapters interesting.
ShikaShika
2007-04-08, 10:35
I dislike Sasuke and still find the last few chapters interesting.
The one doesn't necesarily rule out the other. :)
That spot bothered me for a second until I remembered that it's Kishi's way of showing lip gloss.
http://i11.tinypic.com/43fb50n.jpghttp://i18.tinypic.com/4326lnm.jpghttp://i14.tinypic.com/2u43qlx.jpg
Not a mole. I guess glamour "girls" like Kurenai, Karin, and Haku get to have it.
Bari_Phillis
2007-04-08, 13:57
THEY ALL HAVE MOLES! WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE GIRLS IN NARUTOVERSE?!?!? heh
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-04-08, 14:20
That spot bothered me for a second until I remembered that it's Kishi's way of showing lip gloss.
http://i11.tinypic.com/43fb50n.jpghttp://i18.tinypic.com/4326lnm.jpghttp://i14.tinypic.com/2u43qlx.jpg
Not a mole. I guess glamour "girls" like Kurenai, Karin, and Haku get to have it.
It seems in Kurenai's case a scar :p....the one she got when she had to bite her own lips to get out of the genjutsu :)
Against Itachi's counter that is...
Zerokule
2007-04-08, 14:24
It could be herpes?
Bari_Phillis
2007-04-08, 14:31
yeah, Kurenai contracted it from Asuma, karin fron Orochimaru- a long tongue on the guy is use to cover up something. and haku got it from all of the men and women he slept with on weekends:heh:
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-04-08, 16:13
:confused: Oh My God! karin has a mole, stop the press, this is amazing...i didn't see this coming! this is her special ability! She can grow moles!
Mangekyo
2007-04-08, 17:17
Wouldn't moles be black in the manga?
Useless bickering over a picture......
Worst part is...they're bickering over something that wasn't even started until Spiro got paranoid about someone hating on Sasuke in some way.
Not one person singled out Karin in that picture, or in any way bashed on "team sasuke"
Hell, nobody even seriously thought it was a mole until Spiro said something :heh:
Wouldn't moles be black in the manga?
Useless bickering over a picture......
that would be too obvious, kishi wants us to speculate, and interpret, that way we can argue against each other, he is Tearing us Apart!!!! :p
Not one person singled out Karin in that picture, or in any way bashed on "team sasuke"
some people are more sensitive than others, a simple joke can seem very offending sometimes, especially if they are serious fanboy. so you have to watch what you say. or clearly state you intentions.
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