Macross Frontier (Macross 25) general discussion [No Spoilers] [Archive] - Page 6

Onizuka-GTO

2008-05-03, 04:11

Don't forget that spreading around the galaxy also means a proactive drive to assimilate whatever remaing pockets of Zentrandi and Meltrandi there is.

Take Vividas from Macross 7 for example. Her planet of origin did not have culture.
She was assimilated to the miclone-zentran society and is enamored by drumming.

Another is Chlore's fleet of Meltrandi that got culture shocked by Nekki Basara.

UN Spacy is creating a galactic wide civilization not seen since the days of the Protoculture's Stellar Republic.

If a civil war were to happen in the Macross universe it would be epic scale scary.

It is perhaps a real good move that autonomous civilian governments exist in the fleets as the power would not be centralized to one person.

Yeah, while the Military escorts of all the fleets still occasional refer back to the UN Spacy HQ for advice, the current political nature of this expanding civilization is more or less a Federation/Commonwealth of Decultured

:3

ipernorris

2008-05-03, 05:43

Isolationism is never a good thing.

The best defence is an offence.

By spreading the forces outwards, you have a better chance of detecting hostile enemies before they even reach the earth, hence the normadic fleets and the attempt to colonize all the available planets to create a buffer zone to the home territories.

Besides as seen in Macross Plus, Earth is INSANELY Guard, the entire orbit is surrounded by weapons satellites, the higher orbit is guarded by, i reckon a battalion of capital ships that don't stop until you reach Mar's orbit.

Seriously, the Solar System is packed already.

Just leaving such a big force like that, is at a risk of stagnation.
Yeah you're right isolationism is wrong: in fact I meant that defending millions of planets is much more difficult than defending a few tens of them, not that humans and zentradi has to live on Earth and do not expand in the galaxy. Then I observed that mobile colonies are much more efficient than fixed ones so in theory humans and zentradi could live only on colonizing fleets and exploiting planets/asteroids resources only when it's needed as they are self-sufficient. This way if a huge enemy fleet attacks a colonization fleet it has just to fold in/fold out: the various colonies can be scattered or concentrated at need as well.
Anyway I do not want to polemize with Macross model of expansion: I enjoy the show as it is of course. :)

Onizuka-GTO

2008-05-03, 08:31

Well i think it's more or less the situation that you mentioned, as in a mobile colony model,

I mean its been 50yrs or so, but at the moment only two colonized planets (excluding earth) can be confirmed in the Macross universe. (not including the games)

Eden (Macross Plus) and the Varuta (Macross 7)

I don't think those colony fleets have any pre-fixed destination or planet to aim for, they seem happy to wander about until they suddenly decide it's a good idea to settle on a planet.

Anh_Minh

2008-05-04, 16:56

Yeah you're right isolationism is wrong: in fact I meant that defending millions of planets is much more difficult than defending a few tens of them, not that humans and zentradi has to live on Earth and do not expand in the galaxy. Then I observed that mobile colonies are much more efficient than fixed ones so in theory humans and zentradi could live only on colonizing fleets and exploiting planets/asteroids resources only when it's needed as they are self-sufficient. This way if a huge enemy fleet attacks a colonization fleet it has just to fold in/fold out: the various colonies can be scattered or concentrated at need as well.
Anyway I do not want to polemize with Macross model of expansion: I enjoy the show as it is of course. :)

No, mobile colonies really aren't as good as fixed ones. (Except, of course, for their mobility.)

It makes everything - starting with mining and agriculture - more complicated and costly. It also means you need severe population control. And that comparatively few bombs are enough to wipe out everyone in it. (Of course, if planet busters are widely available, that's not quite true, but I don't think they are.)

4Tran

2008-05-04, 17:40

As previously stated, the main impetus for creating the colony fleets is to ensure that a single enemy would be unable to destroy the human race in one fell swoop. For that purpose, having permanent worlds allows for much more room for growth that makes for a more resilient population. Assuming that each fleet had a million or more people, then they each would have the resources and capacity to avoid extinction.

SpaceDrake

2008-05-04, 17:51

No, mobile colonies really aren't as good as fixed ones. (Except, of course, for their mobility.)

It makes everything - starting with mining and agriculture - more complicated and costly. It also means you need severe population control. And that comparatively few bombs are enough to wipe out everyone in it. (Of course, if planet busters are widely available, that's not quite true, but I don't think they are.)

The Zentraedi didn't planet-bust Earth, so no. The most powerful weapons available are the large cannons mounted on the Super Dimensional Fortresses.

With the widespread availability of fusion power, however, I'm not sure that mining is really such a problem. Asteroids tend to feature massive concentrations of metals; one of the big drives for the evolution of modern space travel is obtaining the ability to 'fetch' asteroids from their various pockets in the solar system and return them to Earth orbit for exploitation, which would neatly provide civilization with building material for centuries at a time. With the propulsion and power systems the SDF-1 provided humanity in Macross, it can't be that difficult to run large-scale mining operations during the sedentary periods of a given fleet.

Agriculture is harder, and we see even in this episode that it's a bit of a pain; entire Islands have to be dedicated to it almost exclusively. From what Sheryl says it sounds like Frontier does it the pleasant way; I imagine Galaxy uses blander methods of food production that generally result in something nutritious, but flavorless (or worse.) An actual planet is definitely preferable in this regard.

CaptGloval

2008-05-07, 00:12

Well, whaddya know, Macross Frontier has forced this lurker to finally sign up :D

I'm a long-time Macross fan, starting with the time I stumbled upon a Robotech Macross Saga rerun in the local TV back in 1996. What left me disappointed was that the TV network inexplicably discontinued the show by episode 25 (yeah I know, what a cliffhanger), which left me with a longing to finish the awesomeness. I learned of the "True and Pure Macross" :lol: upon discovering Macross Zero, and I finally finished SDF Macross thanks to Youtube (fixing ruined childhoods since 2005). MF renewed my interest in Macross and led me to see Macross Plus, the soundtrack of which made me truly believe in the Power of Music :D

So far I like what I see in MF. It has the same vibe as SDFM: not so serious, but not dumb either, just perfect balance. I'm glad it has drawn new converts to the fanbase.

Onizuka-GTO

2008-05-07, 06:43

welcome comrade!

You should also try macross 7. (on youtube as well. )
It'll give you a better understanding why music matter so much to the Proto-culture, and why the link appears in Macross Zero and now in Macross Frontier.

Lets hope more of the infidels see the truth faith! renounce Karl Macek the Anti-Macross!

:D :p

CaptGloval

2008-05-07, 07:29

Ah yes, Macross 7. I've seen snippets here and there but the fact that it has 50 episodes and other specials is daunting. Actually, Frontier has made me understand M7 somewhat and helped me remove my initial incredulity over its premise :heh: Maybe after Frontier I'll check it out.

squaresphere

2008-05-07, 13:44

the best thing, watch M7 eps in between waiting for the new frontier eps :D

CaptGloval

2008-05-09, 12:47

I've watched some more M7 snippets and encountered Angel Voice. Like Information High (M+) and Diamond Crevasse (MF), this song struck me emotionally at first listen. To quote Basara (and the whale), it was

wooOOAAOOoh wooOOAAOOoh wooaoh!!!

ZippyDSM

2008-05-10, 00:28

(umm nevermind....I dunno how I missed it twice....ZOMG mew brains are dieing from the fuzz...)
edit

anyway anyone want to give me how this show lines up with the rest of macross?
this is really the first macross I have seen since the US dubs and DYRL.

Wesley84

2008-05-10, 00:39

The first series and sadly Macross 7, which is what'll probably drag Frontier into the abyss.

ReddyRedWolf

2008-05-10, 00:43

Macross Zero -2008 (Prequel to SDF Macross)

http://www.steelfalcon.com/Macross/Images/continuity.gif

Macross Frontier -2059

edit: My bad

Wesley84

2008-05-10, 00:54

2059 wasn't it?

Onizuka-GTO

2008-05-11, 07:53

Macross Zero -2008 (Prequel to SDF Macross)

http://www.steelfalcon.com/Macross/Images/continuity.gif

Macross Frontier -2059

edit: My bad

hey, that picture is missing VF-X2 which featured Captain Ageis focker, 2051

Vallen Chaos Valiant

2008-05-12, 07:49

There's two reasons why you won't see too much reference to Pizza Hut: the first is that the campaign isn't supposed to start until May 12; the second is that the promotion is much like the kind of movie tie-in promotion that you probably see in the UK. As such, there won't necessarily be any actual promotion of the product in the movie or Macross Frontier, but you get nifty related merchandise if you buy certain versions of the product. For example, that's the way the Maria-sama ga Miteru promotion worked, and it ran without there being any new Marimite works at all. While Code Geass did this to an amazingly blatant degree, it shouldn't be expected of any other franchise.

And the reason it was so blatant in Code Geass was because Sunrise decided to push the envelope and write PizzaHut into the story itself. This wasn't a contractile agreement, but an internal decision by Sunrise to treat every requirement like an opportunity. PizzaHut ended up getting far more than what they paid for, but I think everyone won in the end.

Tabris

2008-05-12, 08:31

4Tran

2008-05-12, 09:00

Tabris

2008-05-12, 09:14

Oh wow, awesome.

To facebook I go :)

Ermmm, what exactly are they doing? Just pizza boxes?

Onizuka-GTO

2008-05-12, 09:14

So, when is the Macross-F, Pizza Hut promotion beginning?

I have a friend in Japan and I might be going next month, but I'd like a little souvenier of it all, so if it's any time soon, I'd ask a friend to save me something :)

better get your Japanese friend to start munching on those pizzas! so the minute you come over you'll have C.C waiting for you! Or cheese-kun.

:rolleyes:

But shame we won't see a Pizza hut in Macross.

while TECHNICALLY it's possible, as we can see that popular culture from the countries of Mother Earth are still around (USA, China, Japan etc) Pizza Hut won't be far fetched.

But i suspected they will have stiff competition from the famous NYAN NYAN chain

:p

4Tran

2008-05-12, 09:39

We do know that Sony, Honda, and I think Coca-cola survived, so Pizza Hut wouldn't be all that unusual as well. That said, Nyan Nyan would slaughter them for name recognition.

In other news, apparently there will some giveaways as part of the Pizza Hut promotion. It's some pretty decent stuff, but the chances of winning any seem to be low.

4Tran

2008-05-20, 22:56

From the Episode 7 thread:
But, as reported above, Golgo 13 is above 4% and it air at the same time of Macross F.
Macross is just losing the "match" with an old (but still serialized) and popular manga (and CG is just doing bad, so it's not a fair comparision... Gundam 00 was around 5,0% for example).
At its heart, Macross Frontier is an otaku show airing at an otaku hour, so a rating of around 2.0% is to be expected. Golgo 13 seems to be doing uncommonly well in the ratings, but that's as much a measure that it's managed to find its audience. Gundam 00's 5.0 is actually a drop from the previous Gundam show, so it's actually a bit of a disappointment for the last of the Doroku shows.

I still believe that M.F will perform reasonably better if allocated at a convenient broadcasting time. Afterall it grants better and convenient access for younger still schooling viewers to watch it which at the present, is unlikely to happend. 2:30am broadcasting time? I personally do not have much energy to watch unless its an intensed anime like Golgo13.
Quality and ratings have never been synonymous, so I don't think that that ratings are horribly meaningful to anyone outside of Japan. The only exception to this are primetime shows where the creators would presumably have more freedom to find their own voice for a show if it gets better ratings. However, late-night shows are generally little more than commercials for their DVDs and other assorted merchandise, so they matter rather less.

A better timeslot might have done more to make Macross Frontier more popular with children, but that may also necessitate story changes that'd do more to weaken the overall work. Besides, it seems to be enough of a niche show that I don't think that going for a mass-audience is necessarily a good idea. Code Geass R2's ratings indicate how much of a bad idea this may be.

So in all, I still reaffirm that we should base on the DVD sales or its other cash cow milking products to justify its value. Knowing that the OST itself maintains at top 10 for a few weeks is already quite a feat and itself may reveal the degree of popularity it holds.
I don't know if it's really an expression of Frontier's popularity, but good sales make additional Macross works more likely.

True. The cd singles for this show are doing awesome, Triangler looks like being in the top 10 for the 4th week in a row and Don't Be Late looks like placing in the 3-5 mark for its second week. DVD/BlueRay preorders are very high, the first press for the Frontier OST is sold out already too.

Code Geass and Haruhi had horrible ratings around the 1.5%-2.5% mark like most late night shows do. But they sold around 45k/41k per dvd volume each which placed them as 5th and 6th highest selling shows respectively.
The sales for Frontier seem to be doing very well so far, and I think that a great deal has to do with how successfully the show itself makes the merchandise look good. For example, the presentation of Diamond Crevasse in episode 6 is a blatant ploy to get more people interested in the Don't Be Late single, but it's pulled off so well that I don't know if a complaint about that is even warranted.

Woland

2008-05-21, 03:38

From the Episode 7 thread:

At its heart, Macross Frontier is an otaku show airing at an otaku hour, so a rating of around 2.0% is to be expected. Golgo 13 seems to be doing uncommonly well in the ratings, but that's as much a measure that it's managed to find its audience. Gundam 00's 5.0 is actually a drop from the previous Gundam show, so it's actually a bit of a disappointment for the last of the Doroku shows.

I was only replying to dissatisfaction comments about Macross share performance. I know very well Macross is not doing bad for that airing time... still his rating are below other TBS/MBS show like xxxHolic and such, because Golgo 13 (a show with, probably, a wider range of audience ).
gundam 00 was meant for a better comparision with Code Geass (same network, almost same timeslot (after doroku suppression)), and yeah, was below past Seed and seed destiny but well above recent doroku's show like Terra e, Ayakashi or Blood+. But at the end still not good enought (and I don't think they are happy about CG performance).
DVD (and merchandise) sells will probably be good as to be expected for series with this kind of promotion (expecially CG), it's not I was impllying they are bombing (I would be quite sad... but only for Macross :P).
And Oricon figure are partial for what I know (Suzumiya Haruhi was around 100k for volume and Gundam seed far above that).

squaresphere

2008-05-21, 10:27

I wonder if they track DVR records. I would imagine not many people stay up that late to watch it live.

Delphin

2008-05-29, 08:36

Pizza-hat MacrossF Pizza BOX
ピザハットの新商品「タルタルチキン南蛮」をマクロスFピザボックスで注文 (http://gigazine.net/index.php?/news/comments/20080514_pizzahut_macrossf/)

http://gigazine.jp/img/2008/05/14/pizzahut_macrossf/macross_001_m.jpg

by the way, I found restrun nyan-nyan is Ryn-minmay's uncles multiple store.
you know that ?

and I think Lanka-Lee is hybrid zentradie and Lyn-Minmay.
this conception too wild?

*my english is not good, so I using Translation web service.
plz forgive my strange english.

my web sight
anime-japan
talk about anime japan comic culture (http://animejapan4u.blogspot.com/)

squaresphere

2008-05-29, 09:03

just wanted to throw this out there
http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2008/05/pong-table.jpg

the interactive table is one step closer
http://gizmodo.com/393770/dining-table-recreates-pong-with-2400-leds-and-2-trackpads

4Tran

2008-05-30, 09:20

Based on the Amazon Japan video bestsellers list (http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/bestsellers/dvd/ref=pd_ts_d_ldr_dvd/249-4245290-3658769), the preorders of Macross Frontier discs seem to be doing extremely well. What's sort of surprising is that this seems to be the only show where the Blu-ray version is moving much better than the DVD version - Blu-ray Volume 1 about fifty places ahead of DVD Volume 1. I have the sneaking suspicion that much of this increase demand on the Blu-ray is from North American fans; both North America and Japan share the same Blu-ray region, so those discs will work on North American players and PS3s. The alternative is that Japanese fans really want to see the improved quality the Blu-ray represents. Either way, it bodes fairly well for Macross Frontier sales, and if this keeps up, we may see more Macross works fairly quickly (provided that Kawamori is interested in making more, of course :)).

What's also sort of amusing is how the Volume 3 jumped up in the rankings as soon as it was available for pre-order - I guess a lot of fans want to watch episode 7 in high definition. :)

squaresphere

2008-05-30, 09:35

ohh!!! i didn't know the japan and the US shared the same region. That makes me really think about getting a ps3

4Tran

2008-05-30, 10:38

Yup. Both Japan and North America are in Region A. There is another major difference between Blu-ray region coding and DVD regions: many legitimate releases of Blu-ray are region-free, so they can be played on any player. I don't know if this is the case for Macross Frontier, but it's quite possible.

Tabris

2008-05-30, 12:46

You know what the worst thing about Macross is?

Having to wait a week for another episode.

SymphonicRain

2008-05-30, 12:48

Think on the bright side.

Its better than waiting for an episode of Macross Zero.

cerrian

2008-05-30, 17:25

With gg, Lunar, and now Chihiro joining the ranks of fansubbers working on Macross Frontier, I was wondering what people's opinions were on their releases.

SpaceDrake

2008-05-30, 17:54

GG is quite good and prides themselves on no-bullshit, reasonably fast, quality releases.

Delphin

2008-05-30, 17:54

Pizza-hat MacrossF Pizza BOX
ピザハットの新商品「タルタルチキン南蛮」をマクロスFピザボックスで注文 (http://gigazine.net/index.php?/news/comments/20080514_pizzahut_macrossf/)

http://gigazine.jp/img/2008/05/14/pizzahut_macrossf/macross_001_m.jpg

Pizza-hat's site (http://www.pizzahut.jp/whatsnew/076_080512_macross/)

http://www.pizzahut.jp/whatsnew/076_080512_macross/img/mon_bod_img_01.jpg

It is written that there are five kinds of presents.

Tabris

2008-05-30, 17:58

I'm so totally picking up a box when I go to Japan in 2 weeks :)

ZippyDSM

2008-05-30, 18:14

With gg, Lunar, and now Chihiro joining the ranks of fansubbers working on Macross Frontier, I was wondering what people's opinions were on their releases.

I like Shinsen the most for this good balance in speed and qaulity..least they were *annoyed with the last few releases*.

lunar and GG are ok, how is Chihiros work on M-F?

Delphin

2008-05-30, 18:47

I'm so totally picking up a box when I go to Japan in 2 weeks :)

oh really !? you'll come to Japan ?

where you'll going to visit place ?
akihabara ? kyoto ? something historic place ?
or something otaku place ?

I'm live at west of Tokyo, so something help if I can.

hope you enjoy visit Japan !

by the way, this It be a prototype of the VF-25 plastic model.
and be able to transform it completely.
http://www.macrossf.com/blog/%E5%86%99%E7%9C%9F%EF%BC%92%E5%B0%8F.jpg

*Is the photograph obstructive when putting it?
写真とか貼ると邪魔ですかね？空気読めてない？

Tsuchiro

2008-05-30, 22:21

I like Shinsen the most for this good balance in speed and qaulity..least they were *annoyed with the last few releases*.

lunar and GG are ok, how is Chihiros work on M-F?

i would avoid chihiro..... because they only sub it just so that they can say they beat gg even if it means crap

hypochondriac

2008-05-30, 22:43

Hi, I'm new to anime and started watching this series on advice from friends. Is there a difference between the subs? I realize when translating a foreign language you can't do a straight world to word translation because you will lose the context and meaning. So which sub would you say does the best job?

Would asking a question about episode 9 be considered a spoiler?

Just to be on the safe side.

Whats the deal with that redish fighter? It appears to come from Frontier but it's better then anything the SMS has, and why would they want to stop them from collecting a sample from the nest. Maybe there is a group in frontier that made the alien bugs and wants to keep that hidden.

squaresphere

2008-05-31, 15:06

We have a ep 9 discussion stickied up top you can join in :D.

As far as the different subs, I personally like Gattai now. GG is good for a fast sub. Avoid chihiro. I watched their ep 9 and i was really confused. GG made a lot more sense.

hypochondriac

2008-05-31, 15:22

Thanks what about the subs from AIA or orihihc?

squaresphere

2008-05-31, 15:36

I've seen AIA but i just don't like the sub font they use, but the quality is decent. Never watched orihihc.

Some people swear by the AnimeOne & Gekkostate & Menclave sub, though i've never seen it.

Tabris

2008-05-31, 16:21

For sub groups, I'd say:

Chihiro - Just did a release to outdo gg really.

gg - Nice and fast, but the resolution of the video is low (I like my HD releases), but having nice subs and kareoke, both of which are softsubbed is nice.

Gattai - Decent, readable subs, everything is softsubbed and HD, which is good. They also do Zentraedi subtitles...

AGM - Good, seem a little to swear happy at times, good HD quality again. Shame about hardsubbed kareoke though :(

AiA - Hardsubbed at SD, which is okay, at least the container allows for decent quality

Shinsen - They do .avi releases. I'm not a big fan of avi files nowadays, unless there's no choice. Which, with Macross Frontier, we have plenty.

A mix between Aone, Gattai and gg would be fantastic. Or even just gg and Gattai since the two groups seem somewhat close.

oh really !? you'll come to Japan ?

where you'll going to visit place ?
akihabara ? kyoto ? something historic place ?
or something otaku place ?

I'm live at west of Tokyo, so something help if I can.

hope you enjoy visit Japan !
I'm travelling around the country for 1 week, then I'll be staying in Tokyo for the second and 2 days.

I intend on getting around as many places as I possibly can, but out of anime interest and just to absorb the culture. It'd be a waste if I only came for one thing :)

hypochondriac

2008-05-31, 16:30

Thanks Tabris, but my system lag's on HD versions so I'll stick with the SD versions

Isegrim

2008-05-31, 16:52

You forgot Lunar. They're providing a H264-HD and a SD avi. The translation is not bad, every song gets a nice Karaoke, although the guys are not among the faster people :rolleyes: .
Chihiro is acceptable, if you can't wait the 8-10 hours until gg releases any more and really really need a sub.

Tabris

2008-05-31, 18:28

I haven't actually given any of Lunar's releases a try.

I might do, just to see what the fuss is about with them geting back into subbing.

Just noticed that chihiro just released another sub for episode 9, I wonder what the difference is.

ZippyDSM

2008-06-02, 22:05

Anyone know whats up with

[Chihiro] dose not Karaoke thier songs, ok subbing, GG was ok as well, anyone know whats up with Shinsen-Subs they are slower than normal is their staff ok did they repriortize the show?

Tabris
Lunar dose solid work,their song translation is a bit different tho.

squaresphere

2008-06-03, 11:00

so what's the deal with Gattai? i read on that they're done speed subbing, but does that mean they're totally stopped subbing or are they doing slower more quality subs now?

ZippyDSM

2008-06-03, 11:14

so what's the deal with Gattai? i read on that they're done speed subbing, but does that mean they're totally stopped subbing or are they doing slower more quality subs now?

probably to a crawl like shinsen-subs, as far as I can tel shinsen-subs. is doing fine and is mostly current on their projects,was worried some of the staff got sick it happens now and then and the projects can be deleyed or canceled.

Not really sure abotu Gattai tho but it seems to be slwoed.

Onizuka-GTO

2008-06-03, 18:25

Just slightly off-topic but please bare with me,

just read a new book by John Ringo & Travis S. Taylor, called "Claws That Catch" from the new "Looking Glass" Sci-Fi military/space opera series.

It's pretty much hinted it has some anime influence but this new book took the icing on the cake in that it featured MUSIC as a weapon against the alien menace.

It doesn't mention macross as per-sa, but since the series part space opera with sprinkling of animedom (including references to Japanese Pop! ) its easy to see it's almost Macross like!

Whiles its un-ashamedly American, in that music is used LITERALLY as a weapon, (don't wish to spoil it for anyone)

it's still a thrill to see Anime having an impact on a western medium, especially on some of my favourite Authors (John Ringo)

if anyone wish to read a bit of the book or buy it, here is the taster:

http://www.webscription.net/p-845-claws-that-catch-arc.aspx

Wild Goose

2008-06-03, 21:26

Lol, it was only a matter of time.

I'm working on a Macross fic of my own, set in an AU where the SDF-1 launches not just with the navy but with the embarked destroids and VF-1M Marine Valkyries of the UN Marine Corps 44th Marine Expeditionary Unit (Special Operations Capable); after the Marine pilots learn that the aliens are vulenrable to music...

Cue much, much spamming of a certain song listened to by a certain Hind pilot as she worked over some chechen guns.

Yes, that song. :D You don't ever wanna get Miss Kacey pissed when she's hearing that song.

pinoy78

2008-06-05, 02:09

Happy 19th Birthday to Megumi Nakajima!

Check out her birthday cake. :)

http://www.blog-stardust.jp/pic/20080604223904047_000.jpg

Onizuka-GTO

2008-06-05, 03:48

yaaaay! CAAAKKKUUUU!

:3

SpaceDrake

2008-06-05, 14:15

Is that the girl from Rahxephon? That seems random.

CaptGloval

2008-06-05, 14:34

I think it's Megumi's anime version, wearing another one of Ranka's dresses.

Wesley84

2008-06-07, 00:33

Jimmy C

2008-06-07, 11:35

They broke up before he adopted Ranka?

Aquifina

2008-06-07, 11:42

So how come Ozma gets to essentionally adopt a five year old Ranka? Do unwedded fighter jocks recieve preferentional treatment at adoption agencies? And come to think of it, is there a reason for Ranka and Catherine to not know each other?

I don't think the adoption is *that* implausible. Presumably Ozma was one of the first, perhaps the first, person to recover Ranka, and knowing Ranka she may have immediately bonded with him. Whatever authorities handle child custody may have decided it'd be best to let the two stay together, since Ranka had no known surviving kin. The alternative would have been whatever equivalent the Macross system would have to foster care or an orphanage--a weird temporary arrangement before they could find a permanent family arrangement probably wouldn't have been ideal. Ozma might be a bit rough around the edges, but he's clearly responsible, and he would have been reasonably well paid. And he obviously cares about Ranka a great deal.

Anh_Minh

2008-06-07, 11:47

I disagree. Common sense and actual concern for the child's welfare overriding bureaucracy? Completely implausible. :p

Wesley84

2008-06-07, 12:46

I suppose there's always the possiblity that chibi-Ranka was irrestiably adorable. :D

dodgethis_sg

2008-06-07, 12:56

Not random. Cake was given to her by Maaya Sakamoto.

SpaceDrake

2008-06-07, 13:39

Not random. Cake was given to her by Maaya Sakamoto.

Who, of course, played Reika. Now I get it.

Westlo

2008-06-07, 14:10

Weird choice of character for Maaya to choose when I look over everything she's done, maybe she's fond of RahXephon/Reika though *shrug*

Terra

2008-06-07, 14:13

Now I'm not familiar with most of what she's done, but maybe it has to do with the fact that singing has to do with both series :p

Westlo

2008-06-07, 14:18

RahXephon is my fav anime and has been since 2002... aside from the OP (which also happens to be my fav anime OP) I don't think Maaya Sakamoto sings... not in the conventional anime song sense anyway.... Reika is a small but important roll in the show. But I could be wrong it has been years since I saw it. Escaflowne's Hiromi would've made more sense to me with the whole Kawamori connection but like I said maybe she really likes that RahXephon character.

Terra

2008-06-07, 14:32

Music is still an important factor in Rahxephon.

Onizuka-GTO

2008-06-07, 17:04

Music is still an important factor in Rahxephon.

bingo! i forgot about that. nice pickup.

:0

4Tran

2008-06-09, 01:04

I've been checking the Amazon Japan bestsellers list, and it looks like the Macross Frontier Blu-ray preorders are still selling like hotcakes:

Blu-ray only list (http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/bestsellers/dvd/16378461/ref=pd_ts_d_nav)
All DVDs list (http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/bestsellers/dvd/ref=pd_ts_d_ldr_dvd/249-4245290-3658769)

Couple this with how well the CDs are selling, and it looks like Macross Frontier is quite financially successful. And that bodes very well for the likelihood of future Macross works.

cerrian

2008-06-09, 02:18

AVPlaya

2008-06-11, 22:21

Is the BD version of the series longer than the TV version? Are there extra footage/material?

Westlo

2008-06-12, 01:29

As far as we know the DVD/Blueray version is the same length as the tv version except for the first episode which is going to be 32 minutes long. Scenes that were in the Deculture Edition from December 07 that weren't shown will be put back in and maybe a few new scenes.

Spitfire

2008-06-16, 21:58

Just found out something...apparently SMS is actually short for Strategic Military Services.

LoweGear

2008-06-16, 23:46

Not sure where to post this so...

http://macrossf.com/movie/movie.html

Teaser Trailer for the short movie "All That VF" released.

shaselai

2008-06-21, 16:28

The story might be like Macross 2? Maybe Rinka will end up going away with the alien race?

i notice that this show airs at ~1:30am.... who stays up to watch it? certainly not kids? Maybe they all Tivo it?

mdauben

2008-06-26, 07:32

Just slightly off-topic but please bare with me,

just read a new book by John Ringo & Travis S. Taylor, called "Claws That Catch" from the new "Looking Glass" Sci-Fi military/space opera series.
If you liked that, you might want to check out Travis S. Taylor's own "Mars Rebellion" series (One Day on Mars and the Tau Ceti Connection). The books feature extensive scenes of transforming mecha combat ala Macross. ;)

Delphin

2008-06-26, 23:18

ここに書いていいかわかりませんが、いくつか情報を。
I do not know we write, but some information.

From novel
http://bp3.blogger.com/_vJiriS2hqos/SGRi2QvYWlI/AAAAAAAAAH4/nqBhm8HUCGU/s200/51voZOqJhKL._SS500_.jpg

http://bp1.blogger.com/_vJiriS2hqos/SGRkDM4zzxI/AAAAAAAAAIA/_4obprhlNxY/s200/alto.jpg
Alto's kanji-name is　有人

http://bp0.blogger.com/_vJiriS2hqos/SGRkDZF1JrI/AAAAAAAAAII/-RxYUlDiVLk/s200/altoandmichael.jpg
Michael is Zola-system person's lineage.

Tak

2008-06-26, 23:35

ここに書いていいかわかりませんが、いくつか情報を。

ありがとう。

ここに書いていい。

From novel
http://bp3.blogger.com/_vJiriS2hqos/SGRi2QvYWlI/AAAAAAAAAH4/nqBhm8HUCGU/s200/51voZOqJhKL._SS500_.jpg

http://bp1.blogger.com/_vJiriS2hqos/SGRkDM4zzxI/AAAAAAAAAIA/_4obprhlNxY/s200/alto.jpg
Alto's kanji-name is　有人

http://bp0.blogger.com/_vJiriS2hqos/SGRkDZF1JrI/AAAAAAAAAII/-RxYUlDiVLk/s200/altoandmichael.jpg
Michael is Zola-system person's lineage.

すみまえんが、ちょっと大き画像がありますか?

- Tak (DEUTSCHLAND 3:2 TÜRKEI)

Delphin

2008-06-27, 00:06

This size is good enough?How about it ?
適当英語でごめんなさい

http://bp1.blogger.com/_vJiriS2hqos/SGRkDM4zzxI/AAAAAAAAAIA/_4obprhlNxY/s1600/alto.jpg

http://bp0.blogger.com/_vJiriS2hqos/SGRkDZF1JrI/AAAAAAAAAII/-RxYUlDiVLk/s1600/altoandmichael.jpg

my blog Anime-japan (http://animejapan4u.blogspot.com/)

Tak

2008-06-27, 00:27

This size is good enough?How about it ?

Ok, thank you~

適当英語でごめんなさい

大丈夫です :smile:

- Tak (DEUTSCHLAND VOR!)

Ottocycle

2008-06-27, 01:14

I'm not too familiar with the universe, so I'd like to ask what's a Zola-system.

Another race?

glyph

2008-06-27, 01:21

I'm not too familiar with the universe, so I'd like to ask what's a Zola-system.

Another race?

The system where Planet Zola from Macross Dynamite Seven is located. There's a colony of settlers/?native Zolan miclones? living there.

Tak

2008-06-27, 07:57

Bah, Mikhail must be Basara's love child. There is no doubt!~

- Tak (DEUTSCHLAND VOR!)

lone_wolf

2008-06-27, 13:02

ここに書いていいかわかりませんが、いくつか情報を。
I do not know we write, but some information.

Delphinさん、

本当に感謝しています。:)

--Lone Wolf
一匹狼

Westlo

2008-06-27, 20:31

Anyone know the deal about this 3rd Frontier manga series?

Macross Frontier, the ongoing sequel to the Macross space opera franchise, is inspiring a third manga series, the first novel volume, and a biweekly reference magazine in July. Sorahiko Mizushima will launch the Macross Frontier: Dakishimete, Ginga no Hate made (Macross Frontier: Hold Me Tightly to the Edge of the Galaxy) manga series in Kadokawa Shoten's Comp Ace magazine in the September issue (on sale on July 26).

Sheryl focused like the second is for Ranka? Or is it a sidestory or something?

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-06-27/macross-frontier-gets-third-manga-novel-mag-in-july

Delphin

2008-06-27, 22:20

Anyone know the deal about this 3rd Frontier manga series?

Sheryl focused like the second is for Ranka? Or is it a sidestory or something?

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-06-27/macross-frontier-gets-third-manga-novel-mag-in-july

マクロスF 超次空歌巫女ランカのことですか？
you mean MacrossF 超次空歌巫女Lanca ?
it is spin-off MacrossF side story.

また別の話なのですが
President･Elmoって、Elmo･Cridanikですよね？
Britai･CridanikのBlood、Lineageなのか？？
wondering...

よかったらblog見に来て下さい。
plz come my blog anime-japan"tag macrossF" (http://animejapan4u.blogspot.com/search/label/MacrossF)

Delphin

2008-06-27, 22:30

Delphinさん、

本当に感謝しています。:)

--Lone Wolf
一匹狼

ありがとうございます。そんな風に言っていただけるととても嬉しいです。
Thx. I'm very glad to you said that.
I want Foreign friends are very happy to be wanted.

by the way, you live at California ?
I heard school of mihoshi's gate is model from verclay's gate.
http://www.plans.jp/shashinshu/nishikaigan/images/A006689.jpg
is it really ?

Tak

2008-06-27, 22:44

I heard school of mihoshi's gate is model from verclay's gate.

is it really ?

And Macross 25 is modeled after San Francisco ;)

- Tak (DEUTSCHLAND vs. SPANIEN: Sonntag!)

Delphin

2008-06-27, 22:53

And Macross 25 is modeled after San Francisco ;)

- Tak (DEUTSCHLAND vs. SPANIEN: Sonntag!)

yes, SF and Sibuya.is in Macross25.

and I heard Alto lives apart locate Senzoku.(千束、台東区.near by Ueno)
from novel.

Tak

2008-06-27, 23:06

President･Elmoって、Elmo･Cridanikですよね？
Britai･CridanikのBlood、Lineageなのか？？
wondering...

ブリタイの息子? :heh: 不思議な~

でも、二人はとても違う :heh:

- Tak (DEUTSCHLAND vs. SPANIEN: Sonntag! 6/29/08)

lone_wolf

2008-06-27, 23:14

ありがとうございます。そんな風に言っていただけるととても嬉しいです。

どういたしまして

Thx. I'm very glad to you said that.
I want Foreign friends are very happy to be wanted.
by the way, you live at California ? I heard school of mihoshi's gate is model from verclay's gate.
http://www.plans.jp/shashinshu/nishikaigan/images/A006689.jpg
is it really ?

はい。Oh but I live in Southern California...わたしはロサンゼルスにすんでいます。

私の位置はグリフィス天文台に近い。
But since I'm in the Los Angeles area, I'm actually about 20 minutes away from the Griffith Park Observatory where Alto and Ranka sometimes visit:
http://www.visitingdc.com/images/griffith-observatory-address.jpg

--Lone Wolf
一匹狼

lone_wolf

2008-06-27, 23:16

ブリタイの息子? :heh: 不思議な~

でも、二人はとても違う :heh:

- Tak (DEUTSCHLAND vs. SPANIEN: Sonntag! 6/29/08)

True they are definitely different.

--Lone Wolf
一匹狼

Tak

2008-06-27, 23:17

Hey, you live in LA too? :D

- Tak (DEUTSCHLAND vs. SPANIEN: Sonntag! 6/29/08)

lone_wolf

2008-06-27, 23:18

Hey, you live in LA too? :D

- Tak (DEUTSCHLAND vs. SPANIEN: Sonntag! 6/29/08)

Yup! :)

--Lone Wolf
一匹狼

mdauben

2008-06-29, 10:48

I was wondering if anyone had heard anything about the fansub being done by Anime-in-Action & Infinite Zero [AiA I-Z]? They were the ones I was following as I thought they were doing a really excellent job of providing a high-quality video in a reasonable file size. They have slipped a couple episodes behind the other groups now, however, and their websites and IRC channels don't seem to have any up to date info on the status of their projects.

I'm just wondering if I should wait for them or if they have dropped it and I need to switch groups? :confused:

ZippyDSM

2008-06-29, 11:34

mdauben

2008-06-29, 12:23

they has a forum
http://anime.lefora.com/headlines/?redirect=1

I skimed through didn't see anything, you'll have to join and ask I guess.
Yeah, I already checked their forum. Someone there had already asked if they were still subbing, but got no response, which is why I thought I would check if anyone here had heard anything.

Well, I guess I'll just go ahead and download 11-12 from some other group, and if AiA and I-Z are still working on them I'll just download their version later. :(

Terra

2008-06-29, 12:48

I think it's their main translator doesn't have time to do it anymore, but the group may continue, but consider them dropped for now.

ZippyDSM

2008-06-29, 18:19

I think it's their main translator doesn't have time to do it anymore, but the group may continue, but consider them dropped for now.

more like on a Hiatus untill droped.
Watching ep 12 made think about the changes in Zentradi designs they ratched up the green/purple skin tones and the archiver has a nice pulsating head.

I hate design change for "visual effect" :eyespin:

Delphin

2008-06-30, 08:55

http://bp0.blogger.com/_vJiriS2hqos/SGjhkEdeWGI/AAAAAAAAANs/t7wiJjM7sCc/s320/macrossclonicle.jpg

Macross clonicle will be released　at 7/24.

anime-japan (http://animejapan4u.blogspot.com/2008/06/macross-clonicle-magazine.html)

squaresphere

2008-06-30, 09:32

:mad: why no Sheryl on the cover! :frustrated:

Tsuchiro

2008-06-30, 09:35

maybe cause she was never the plot? :p

ickem

2008-07-01, 01:38

ありがとうございます。そんな風に言っていただけるととても嬉しいです。
Thx. I'm very glad to you said that.
I want Foreign friends are very happy to be wanted.

by the way, you live at California ?
I heard school of mihoshi's gate is model from verclay's gate.
http://www.plans.jp/shashinshu/nishikaigan/images/A006689.jpg
is it really ?

Wow, I didn't realize Mihoshi's entrance was based of Sather Gate and I walked through it almost everyday when I went to Berkeley...Now, I feel like an idiot for not knowing even with all of the San Francisco Bay Area stuff in the show...

Realist_Classic

2008-07-02, 03:22

^^^

Cool, a fellow Bear! Same here, never made the connection to Sather Gate until Delphin's post. Next time I go back, I'll have to try hard to unsee the animated CG stars :)

Delphin

2008-07-08, 03:35

Ozma seems to die still in ep17.
It is sad.

anime-japan MacrossF EP16,17and18 (http://animejapan4u.blogspot.com/2008/07/macrossf-ep1617and18.html)
http://bp3.blogger.com/_vJiriS2hqos/SHMn3WURWcI/AAAAAAAAASM/bI6P1ICqGDM/s320/macrossfanimedia.jpg

Westlo

2008-07-08, 04:14

I know you mean well but you should spoiler tag that first line, not that I personally mind but I've been given infractions for far less myself and I like your up to date information.

Anyway here's the cover for Volume 2 which covers episodes 2-4 so the cover of Ranka, Alto and Ozma's VF is fitting considering the content.

http://pds9.egloos.com/pds/200807/07/50/c0052350_4871ad005d64f.jpg

I'm guessing Sheryl and Alto on the cover for Volume 3 (5-7) and Michael and Klan for Volume 4 (8-10).

Delphin

2008-07-08, 07:04

Very insulting. Spoiler of information is better that he quit.
I dont write anymore. I'm sorry.

Westlo

2008-07-08, 09:23

Insulting? Far from it but I won't bother to explain due to language barrier.

Anyway krepshy posted scans for Macross Chronicle, animage and Newtype.

Macross Chronicle, VOL.01

http://www.info-ginza.com/macross/index.html

http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross...onicle/t000.jpg (http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross/25th/chronicle/t000.jpg)
http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross...onicle/t001.jpg (http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross/25th/chronicle/t001.jpg)
http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross...onicle/t002.jpg (http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross/25th/chronicle/t002.jpg)
http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross...onicle/t003.jpg (http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross/25th/chronicle/t003.jpg)

Minmay's Data...

http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross...onicle/t004.jpg (http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross/25th/chronicle/t004.jpg)

Macross Zero is real history!!!
http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross...onicle/t005.jpg (http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross/25th/chronicle/t005.jpg)
http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross...onicle/t006.jpg (http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross/25th/chronicle/t006.jpg)
http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross...onicle/t007.jpg (http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross/25th/chronicle/t007.jpg)
http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross...onicle/t008.jpg (http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross/25th/chronicle/t008.jpg)
http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross...onicle/t009.jpg (http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross/25th/chronicle/t009.jpg)

Macross F = Island Cluster Class
Island Cluster(10 million) > New Macross(million) > Megaroad > Macross
http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross...onicle/t010.jpg (http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross/25th/chronicle/t010.jpg)
http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross...onicle/t011.jpg (http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross/25th/chronicle/t011.jpg)
http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross...onicle/t012.jpg (http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross/25th/chronicle/t012.jpg)
http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross...onicle/t013.jpg (http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross/25th/chronicle/t013.jpg)

and Animage:
http://up2.viploader.net/pic2d/src/viploader2d405145.jpg
http://up2.viploader.net/pic2d/src/viploader2d405152.jpg
http://up2.viploader.net/pic2d/src/viploader2d405153.jpg
http://up2.viploader.net/pic2d/src/viploader2d405154.jpg
http://up2.viploader.net/pic2d/src/viploader2d405156.jpg
http://up2.viploader.net/pic2d/src/viploader2d405160.jpg

NT
http://up2.viploader.net/pic2d/src/viploader2d405113.jpg
http://up2.viploader.net/pic2d/src/viploader2d405114.jpg
http://up2.viploader.net/pic2d/src/viploader2d405117.jpg
http://up2.viploader.net/pic2d/src/viploader2d405122.jpg

Looking at the pics in Chronicles who would someone looking through this assume wins the love triangle in Macross lol...

Darial

2008-07-08, 10:08

Well, I just watched an episode of Macross Fufonfia on the offical website:

http://www.macrossf.com/fufonfia/fufonfia.html

The premise is on the magazine scan directly above this post.

Basically Ranka (and Nanase) just joined as new OL to the Gaming Software company "Frontier Software" and they are being mentored by Bobby (as an OL!?!?). Meanwhile, Sheryl and Grace are experienced OLs in the office (and Sheryl has her own personal tea room, no less).

This featurette is so absurd it's funny as hell (think of putting your Star War characters into an episode of the office). And watch OL Ranka using the VF-25 hot water pot was a riot. Old episodes are on Crunchyroll, so check it out if you want a good laugh. :D

Tak

2008-07-08, 10:15

I just watched the very latest Fufonfia. Hilarious. I don't want to ruin it, but its so funny you just have to watch it. Certainly brings you some rather... interesting memories.

- Tak

Darial

2008-07-08, 10:48

I just watched the very latest Fufonfia. Hilarious.

Yeah. Episode 7 is the bomb. I'm still shell shocked after watching it. :twitch::heh::twitch: It's so subversive that I'm speechless.

ickem

2008-07-08, 12:57

Tak

2008-07-08, 13:06

lone_wolf

2008-07-08, 13:21

As Macross was about a pilot falling in love with an older superior and the girl next door.

Macross Frontier is about songtress vs. songtress. TV vs. DYRL. But I am not sure what they are implying. Are they trying to say that nobody wins? :heh:

But of course I love the DYRL Minmei more :p

- Tak

Ah true...at least DYRL Minmei was "respectable." And I actually felt bad for her in the end. :(

Hmmm....that would be an interesting course to take...if "nobody" gets the guy LOL!

--Lone Wolf
一匹狼

Tak

2008-07-08, 13:24

I suddenly have this weird feeling that by way of protoculture, Ranka and Sheryl are going to somehow be merged into one.

Then Alto don't need to choose no more.

- Tak

ani_d

2008-07-08, 13:45

So according to the interview on those scans, Sheryl didn't exist as a love interest in the original planning stages of the show. She was simply going to be a person that Ranka admired. It was going to be 2 guys and a girl like Macross Plus, but the guy who did the script composition didn't think it would very interesting so he got Kawamori to change it. So it became a battle between 2 songstresses. Basically it could be said that the DYRL Minmei and the TV series Minmei confront each other.

Oh, so Sheryl really wasn't originally planned to be a love interest?:rolleyes: No wonder. It'll be interesting to see people twist this to convince themselves that Ranka and Alto are nothing but a red herring pair. Coming from a female's perspective, if they really made this show to be a BreraxRankaxAlto LT, that would've been more than marvelous haha Not that I don't like the scenario they went with.

I feel like I'm starting to become like Lugia Tsugu with her Brera fangirlism lol Alto may be pretty, but Brera is *hot*. I'm saving these:p.

http://up2.viploader.net/pic2d/src/viploader2d405145.jpg
http://up2.viploader.net/pic2d/src/viploader2d405114.jpg

Macross Frontier's OTP: This made my morning.

http://up2.viploader.net/pic2d/src/viploader2d405152.jpg

I can only read hiragana and some katakana, but since they have kanji and all, I can only form familiar suffixes and can't figure out what they mean lol Can someone here translate the character bubbles atleast? Or some more interesting/important parts? ^^ Seiyuu interviews, Brera's first impressions and the doubtful points boxes seem to be interesting. I saw a Brera vs Alto bit in the middle scans. Battle of the seiyuus, maybe?

zalem

2008-07-08, 14:00

ickem

2008-07-08, 14:01

Oh, so Sheryl really wasn't originally planned to be a love interest?:rolleyes: No wonder. It'll be interesting to see people twist this to convince themselves that Ranka and Alto are nothing but a red herring pair. Coming from a female's perspective, if they really made this show to be a BreraxRankaxAlto LT, that would've been more than marvelous haha Not that I don't like the scenario they went with.

I figured you would take this as more ammo for the shipping war :p. But do you really think they didn't change the story significantly for the new triangle model? For all we know Ranka may not have originally been the type of character she turned out be. I would not have liked it if I had to look at Ranka's physical design as a main character exclusively for the entire length of the series. Saying that someone else "twists" things when your twisting of things is just as bad as any in the Sheryl army probably isn't the best thing ;).

squaresphere

2008-07-08, 14:01

Tak

2008-07-08, 14:04

I figured you would take this as more ammo for the shipping war :p. But do you really thing they didn't change the story significantly for the new triangle model? For all we know Ranka may not have originally been the type of character she turned out be. I would not have liked it if I had to look at Ranka's physical design as a main character exclusively for the entire length of the series. Saying that someone else "twists" things when your twisting of things is just as bad as any any in the Sheryl army ;).

What she did not note was that Ranka was supposed to fulfill the role of Alto in the romance part of the story (and she was not supposed to be the love-stricken school girl she is now), while Alto and another guy, presumed to be Berea was to fulfill the roles of what Ranka and Sheryl are currently in right now.

So, heh, stay tuned.

- Tak

zalem

2008-07-08, 14:08

No joke, Brera has maybe had a paragraph worth of dialogue. Makes it a pretty boring love triangle if one of them doesn't talk.

Actually it makes it creepy stalker guy that wants the moe sis-loli girl. EWWWWW

I assume if the went they BreraxRankaxAlto route they would have integrated Brera more into the story and he would probably have had more dialogue. They would have taken the sister part out most likely.

I still would hate it though. Either way it's a lolicon pairing (looks like it at least). Considering the huge part romance plays in the series, I doubt I would have continued watching past the first few episodes.

ani_d

2008-07-08, 14:10

I figured you would take this as more ammo for the shipping war :p. But do you really thing they didn't change the story significantly for the new triangle model? For all we know Ranka may not have originally been the type of character she turned out be. I would not have liked it if I had to look at Ranka's physical design as a main character exclusively for the entire length of the series. Saying that someone else "twists" things when your twisting of things is just as bad as any any in the Sheryl army ;).

lol! My bad. I figured since they mapped out a boyxgirlxboy LT with Ranka already in the picture, they can only mean that Ranka isn't some red herring love interest to pave way for Sheryl. Plus, the show has been fairly pro RankaxAlto, so yeah.:heh:

I think Ranka's character design matches Alto though--especially in that above image. They look like the perfect teeny high school couple with the height difference and all.

glyph

2008-07-08, 15:44

Meh, that just confirms my suspicion that it'll be AltoxRanka in the end. Sure they changed the story up quite a bit...Sheryl is now a love interest and Brera is the brother, but they kept the AltoXRanka in the equation throughout the changes that they made. That's the one thing that remained static. The feeling I got from Deculture was Ranka and Alto and that hasn't really changed as I watch the series unfortunately. *sighs*

Anyway, all this is pointless since the show in planning stages may not resemble the actual show in any meaningful way. For example, SDF Macross in the planning stages was meant to be a parody of MS Gundam, Valkyries were Breast Fighters that looked like a transforming Core Fighters ripoffs without Gerwalk mode, and the captain was a woman.

Tak

2008-07-08, 16:41

Anyway, all this is pointless since the show in planning stages may not resemble the actual show in any meaningful way. For example, SDF Macross in the planning stages was meant to be a parody of MS Gundam, Valkyries were Breast Fighters that looked like a transforming Core Fighters ripoffs without Gerwalk mode, and the captain was a woman.

That is correct. Misa was originally going to be the Captain of the SDF-1, and Hikaru as he was in Macross was non-existent. In fact, nobody ever really planned a love interest for Misa.

Hikaru? Who's that? :heh:

Moreover, anyone who seen the early designs would immediately note just how far Macross had progressed. I am glad they didn't stick with the earlier designs. If they did, I don't know how Macross can continue.

Why? Because the early designs looked like a sack of crap, really. Don't believe me? Find out yourself:

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2120/1121918033081wd1.th.jpg (http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1121918033081wd1.jpg)

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4493/113715890592050585he8.th.jpg (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=113715890592050585he8.jpg)

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/801/302304124988492268jq4.th.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=302304124988492268jq4.jpg)

- Tak

Westlo

2008-07-08, 17:09

Oh, so Sheryl really wasn't originally planned to be a love interest?:rolleyes: No wonder.

Very early planning and things change, like a certain producer of a certain game waking up and deciding to kill a certain someone in a love triangle...

Realist_Classic

2008-07-08, 17:12

^^^

Wow, those designs are so bad that they're cool, especially with all the beautiful Valkyries we've come to know. Although I would totally dig an Fairchild A-10-inspired destroid (see first pic, lower left).

cheesie

2008-07-08, 20:13

Very early planning and things change, like a certain producer of a certain game waking up and deciding to kill a certain someone in a love triangle...

It made the love story epic due to that reason. :P

ani_d

2008-07-08, 23:40

Very early planning and things change, like a certain producer of a certain game waking up and deciding to kill a certain someone in a love triangle...

While this is true, I really don't think Kawamori did significant changes since the story is pretty much consistent with the statement. It certainly explains Ranka's persistent focus (be it love or career) in the show and stuff in expense of Sheryl's screentimes. Most importantly, it just confirmed that Kawamori preferred Ranka over Sheryl from the very start contrary to someone's self-made Kawamori history:rolleyes: lol

Swampstorm

2008-07-08, 23:49

Tsuchiro

2008-07-08, 23:50

God... there she goes again....

ani_d

2008-07-08, 23:53

Kawamori loves my character more than he loves your character. ;)

Yeah yeah, whatever:heh:

Swampstorm

2008-07-08, 23:59

Yeah yeah, whatever:heh:Boo. My other version was better.

Tak

2008-07-09, 00:00

While this is true, I really don't think Kawamori did significant changes since the story is pretty much consistent with the statement. It certainly explains Ranka's persistent focus (be it love or career) in the show and stuff in expense of Sheryl's screentimes.

Somebody, I need some facepalm, now!

Most importantly, it just confirmed that Kawamori preferred Ranka over Sheryl from the very start

Confirmed what? Have you read the article yourself? Have you read the original article? Oh wait, you can't read it. Right. Allow me to enlighten you. According to the article, Kawamori originally intended for a female character to be the main character with the central focus flanked by 2 male characters, and none were mentioned by name. The article simply stated that Sheryl's character design progressed along the way just as Misa Hayase changed from originally being a captain to that of a bridge bunny dominatrix in Macross. I'd suggest you stop mustering pieces from hearsay to befit your twisted arguments. It makes you utterly amateurish.

- Tak

cheesie

2008-07-09, 00:12

Swampstorm

2008-07-09, 00:13

Well, it's not worth arguing about. We'll all see how it ends eventually. :heh:

Somebody, I need some facepalm, now!No. That's not enough. You need napalm.

cheesie

2008-07-09, 00:18

I want some pineapple salad. :heh:

Ah, why must it always be about epeen...?

Tis the daily activities in a shipping war. :D

ani_d

2008-07-09, 00:29

Confirmed what? Have you read the article yourself? Have you read the original article? Oh wait, you can't read it.

I would be able to if someone can translate it properly. Word for word for everyone to read and judge.

According to the article, Kawamori originally intended for a female character to be the main character with the central focus flanked by 2 male characters, and none were mentioned by name. The article simply stated that Sheryl's character design progressed along the way just as Misa Hayase changed from originally being a captain to that of a bridge bunny dominatrix in Macross. I'd suggest you stop mustering pieces from hearsay to befit your twisted arguments. It makes you utterly amateurish.

- Tak

So you're saying ickem was lying when he said that Sheryl wasn't supposed to be a love interest and was only the person Ranka admires?:eyebrow: Does that mean Ranka wasn't already one of the intended main characters when Kawamori was asked to change it or what?:uhoh:

If there are more then why don't you quote them all down. Everyone will be happier.

Tis the daily activities in a shipping war. :D

Gosh x___x

cheesie

2008-07-09, 00:37

Gosh x___x

:heh: I'm sometimes guilty of that but I don't really care whether my pairing won out in the end as long as I see the opposing side gets to suffer along the ride muahaha. You're beginning to show signs of that, but in the end, just remember that it's all in good fun and nothing is set in stone anyway. :heh:

Delphin

2008-07-09, 02:05

Insulting? Far from it but I won't bother to explain due to language barrier.

Anyway krepshy posted scans for Macross Chronicle, animage and Newtype.

Looking at the pics in Chronicles who would someone looking through this assume wins the love triangle in Macross lol...

今日は。delphinです。
あまり英語が得意ではないため、いつも翻訳を利用しています。
そのため、本来の意図していることと違う文章になっている場合もあります。

Hello. It is delphin.
The translation is always used because it is not so good at English.
Therefore, it might be sentences different from the intention
originally. (by Excite translate)

前回の投稿で言いたかったのは、Westloさんがネタバレをするな（情報を漏らすな？）、といっていると解釈したので、それに対して申し訳ありませんでした、
といったつもりでした。

Mr. Westlo are I am sorry for having wanted to say in the last contribution on the other hand it was ..doing Netabare.. (Do not leak information) because it had interpreted to say.
(by Excite translate)

もし私が投稿しても問題ない（気分を害されない）ようなら、私も色々投稿を続けたいと思っています。
出来るだけ色々な情報をみなさんにもshareしたいと思っています。

If it is unquestionable even if I contribute (Feelings are not impaired), I keep also
contributing variously.
I want ..share.. to make it to everybody as various information as possible.

(by Excite translate)

Westlo

2008-07-09, 02:29

Oh I don't mind spoilers Delphin and I guess that was a translation issue if it seemed like I did, I'm just saying that you should use this thread instead so the moderators here don't give you a warning or infraction. It's happened to me for far less... like saying a certain Claymore character is vain.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=65621

While this is true, I really don't think Kawamori did significant changes since the story is pretty much consistent with the statement. It certainly explains Ranka's persistent focus (be it love or career) in the show and stuff in expense of Sheryl's screentimes. Most importantly, it just confirmed that Kawamori preferred Ranka over Sheryl from the very start contrary to someone's self-made Kawamori history:rolleyes: lol

Misa Hayase was suppose to be the Captain Global of the series, now who won that triangle? (I think it was Minmei flicking through Macross Chronicles!). Shinn Asuka was suppose to be the main character of Gundam SEED Destiny, who was the main character? If you think the current show is anything like how it was originally conceived than lol... but hey I too would grab at anything when the story has set my ship on course to hit an Iceberg. Sheryl's in Ranka's slipstream and will stay that way to.. well you're read the spoilers.. you seriously aren't worried? All my bias aside the character in Sheryl's position usually wins these triangles but the difference is it's generally the Ranka archetype (usually combined with the power of childhood friend, a formidable duo!) in that position, with the amount of romance you've watched/read you disagree with that?

Personally I'm glad we avoided Macross Vampire Knight and I'm sure Kawamori would be too since by changing his mind he's hit a home run with the character in Sheryl. It shows that he's not arrogant enough to consider himself to be right all the time and than when good ideas are brought up he can listen to them. It's like Pat Riley being talked by his support staff into drafting Dwade Wade instead of Chris Kaman.. 3 years later... Wade wins Finals MVP after he slaughters the Mavs... but but Kaman was his original choice!!

zalem

2008-07-09, 09:39

Thank GOD he didn't make this Macross Vampire Knight...I hate that series.

justinstrife

2008-07-09, 10:46

It's like Pat Riley being talked by his support staff into drafting Dwade Wade instead of Chris Kaman.. 3 years later... Wade wins Finals MVP after he slaughters the Mavs... but but Kaman was his original choice!!

Off-topic Hi-Jack here, the Refs are what helped the Heat win the championship. It was beyond pathetic how bad the referring was. :eyebrow:

ani_d

2008-07-09, 13:38

Delphin, your english translations are appreciated!

... but hey I too would grab at anything when the story has set my ship on course to hit an Iceberg.

lol it's not me who should be thinking this.

I totally get where you're coming from with the early changes. It could either mean Kawamori did some super duper major changes or not that much apart from this and that. I'm just saying this by the way things look at the show and magazines and radio stuffs etc. I think Kawamori really did the latter. If you want to think it's the former then so be it.

If they really made this a Macross Vampire Knight kind of thing, I know there'll be more females here.:p

Tak

2008-07-09, 15:25

I totally get where you're coming from with the early changes. It could either mean Kawamori did some super duper major changes or not that much apart from this and that. I'm just saying this by the way things look at the show and magazines and radio stuffs etc. I think Kawamori really did the latter. If you want to think it's the former then so be it.

It was indicated in the article that he revamped everything. So if that does not count as a major change, I don't know what should be.

- Tak

Westlo

2008-07-09, 16:48

What I don't get ani_d is that you read that comment and was ike "ah that explains everything" when it should be obvious that if Macross Vampire Knight was made instead that the development between Alto and Ranka woud be completely different. And you can't think "Oh Ranka was suppose to win from the start so she'll win!" since Ranka wasn't suppose to win, she was the chooser and it was one of Alto and Brera who was suppose to "win".

Off-topic Hi-Jack here, the Refs are what helped the Heat win the championship. It was beyond pathetic how bad the referring was. :eyebrow:

I was posting on a lot of basketball forums at the time, these Mav fans went from saying this.

"Wade is driving it to the hoop and earning fouls and we're just being a jump shot team" to "Refs bailed out the heat" in a matter of days. The Game 6 foul that I've seen cited a lot barely drew a reaction from the Mavs bench.. Josh Howards retarded time out after the first foul shot otoh...

stray

2008-07-09, 17:15

I was posting on a lot of basketball forums at the time, these Mav fans went from saying this.

"Wade is driving it to the hoop and earning fouls and we're just being a jump shot team" to "Refs bailed out the heat" in a matter of days. The Game 6 foul that I've seen cited a lot barely drew a reaction from the Mavs bench.. Josh Howards retarded time out after the first foul shot otoh...

No time out will ever be as bad as Chris Webber's. And Dallas isn't going to win a championship until they ditch Dirk. More importantly, going back to your original point Westlo, I dunno if thats fair to Kawamori, since... great head coaches tend to make piss poor player decisions. Even Riles, especially before Shaq and Wade (although I really liked Eddie Jones). Of course, I may be jaded having watched Larry Brown systematically destroy the Sixers over 9 years time... :sad:

Least we landed Brand...

I want some pineapple salad. :heh:

Going even more off topic... I can't find a pineapple salad recipe even remotely resembling Claudia's!!! :mad: Probably for the best; I'd probably feel bad if one of my houseguests keeled over, but I still want one dammit.

Wesley84

2008-07-09, 18:58

Somebody, I need some facepalm, now!

Confirmed what? Have you read the article yourself? Have you read the original article? Oh wait, you can't read it. Right. Allow me to enlighten you. According to the article, Kawamori originally intended for a female character to be the main character with the central focus flanked by 2 male characters, and none were mentioned by name. The article simply stated that Sheryl's character design progressed along the way just as Misa Hayase changed from originally being a captain to that of a bridge bunny dominatrix in Macross. I'd suggest you stop mustering pieces from hearsay to befit your twisted arguments. It makes you utterly amateurish.

- Tak

That probably would have been more interesting. Sheryl officially being a supporting character, rather than a main character-in-name-only would have served her better, while possibly providing some stable, background romance people could indulge in to get away from the angst of The Love Triangle. Alto just fails as a guy getting along with girls, but he'd be fun in a rival role. It'd also aleviate him of his main character duties. Bresra would also be a less mysterious (annoying) character as a result since his role in the story would be more defined instead of being Kira "Jesus" Yamoto minus the angst.

And Ranka retains her role in the story, much to the benefit of all.

cheesie

2008-07-09, 19:01

What do you guys mean by Macross Vampire Knight? :eyebrow:

(Kaname/Zero ftw. :D)

Swampstorm

2008-07-09, 20:01

That probably would have been more interesting. Sheryl officially being a supporting character, rather than a main character-in-name-only would have served her better, while possibly providing some stable, background romance people could indulge in to get away from the angst of The Love Triangle. Alto just fails as a guy getting along with girls, but he'd be fun in a rival role. It'd also aleviate him of his main character duties. Bresra would also be a less mysterious (annoying) character as a result since his role in the story would be more defined instead of being Kira "Jesus" Yamoto minus the angst.

And Ranka retains her role in the story, much to the benefit of all.If the love triangle is supposed to play some role in expressing the main themes of the story, I don't think that the writers can afford to let it get overpowered by an excessively charismatic beta couple. You can only hospitalize so many people... :heh:

Wesley84

2008-07-09, 20:30

If the love triangle is supposed to play some role in expressing the main themes of the story, I don't think that the writers can afford to let it get overpowered by an excessively charismatic beta couple. You can only hospitalize so many people... :heh:

And that doesn't describe Max and Millia?

Tak

2008-07-09, 20:41

And that doesn't describe Max and Millia?

Aside from the fact that they aren't in Frontier? Duh?

I mean, sure, if you were one of the few who actually had the stomach to handle that media atrocity known as Macross 7. Otherwise, not many people here can take upon Seven without being drunk.

- Tak

ZippyDSM

2008-07-09, 20:49

Aside from the fact that they aren't in Frontier, sure, if you were one of the few who actually had the stomach to handle that media atrocity known as Macross 7. Otherwise, not many people here can take upon Seven without being drunk.

- Tak
And M-F is somehow that much better writing wise?
The only thing M-F has over M7 is looks the setting is just as abstract and quirky only more sci fi monsters than fantasy ones . :eyespin:

Tak

2008-07-09, 20:54

And M-F is somehow that much better writing wise?

Why yes, and certainly less annoying. Unless you are deaf, then maybe you can enjoy Macross 7.

The only thing M-F has over M7 is looks the setting is just as abstract and quirky

:uhoh:

May I inquire what is so "abstract" and "quirky" in Macross Frontier that happens to stand out from the rest?

only more sci fi monsters than fantasy ones . :eyespin:

This is a uh, sci-fi series? Right, I thought so.

- Tak (You know, I am not putting a gun to your head and forcing you to watch this. Aside from that being a waste of my time, I also have nothing to gain from it)

ZippyDSM

2008-07-09, 21:00

Why yes, and certainly less annoying. Unless you are deaf, then maybe you can enjoy Macross 7.

:uhoh:

May I inquire what is so "abstract" and "quirky" in Macross Frontier?

This is a uh, sci-fi series? Right, I thought so.

- Tak (You know, I am not putting a gun to your head and forcing you to watch this. Aside from that being a waste of my time, I also have nothing to gain from it)

Ooooooooo a anti fanatsy type eh :P

Really tho M7 is more silly with an abstract lead character, M-F is a bit generic with weak humor gags, M-F annoys me more, at least M7 you can sit back and don't have to think to hard :P.

I even like SDF-1 abit more than M-F :eyespin:

Tak

2008-07-09, 21:05

Ooooooooo a anti fanatsy type eh :P

What gives you that impression?

Really tho M7 is more silly with an abstract lead character,

Hardly. Basara was a single minded asshole.

M-F is a bit generic with weak humor gags, M-F annoys me more,

If you watch MF for the humor, yes, you will be disappointed. That, or you've not progressed since Episode 3.

at least M7 you can sit back and don't have to think to hard :P.

I even like SDF-1 abit more than M-F :eyespin:

A bit of a contradiction there eh, 'mate?

- Tak

ZippyDSM

2008-07-09, 21:21

What gives you that impression?

Hardly. Basara was a single minded asshole.

If you watch MF for the humor, yes, you will be disappointed. That, or you've not progressed since Episode 3.

A bit of a contradiction there eh, 'mate?

- Tak

Paranormal can easily be sci fi and fanatsy.

Basara was a "non character" basically take someone out of another set of fiction and plop them down into the middle of another,Basara was annoying but I find the shcool slice of lie bits in M-F to be as annoying.

M-F is more annoying than the last set you ahve the sol bit the loli bit with klan witch thnakfully is miniumly used and just mixing so many lil bits of genres it loses itself if they are setting to a 2X ep set they need to stay away from the sol thing and keep on the plot/story, the sol bits are quite annoying.

Zippy is a contradiction his minds are not well tuned :P

what I am getting at M7 is just a fun romp nothign to get serious over(like ecchi anime :P), SDF-1 was a solid sci fi story with a focus on action and character development, M-F is a SOL in space sci fi drama in a blender,I prefer mew animu shaken not machine stired like my brain :eyespin:

Not saying MF is bad all the M stuff is above average loved SDF-1,liked M7 for the kookiness MZ is a bit condensed for my liking and M-F with faults manages to stay out of the gutter where Dragonought crawled into LOL

zalem

2008-07-09, 21:57

ZippyDSM

2008-07-09, 22:11

Noooo...don't mention the horrors of Dragonaut here. We don't need that staining this forum. We have a whole thread dedicated to our hatred of Dragonaut.

I liked M7 and I was neither drunk nor deaf at the time. :) It was good fun and I liked Fire Bomber. Granted I haven't rewatched it in many, many years but I still remember it fondly.

was talking about MF and DR comparisons , MF has more stable charatcer designs but DR only has 2-3 of the cast has not been done well, MF has better direction and writing DR has ok writing but bad direction that lets the writers not bother...."writing".

Personally unless MF gets better its a 7 and DR is a 6 for me(Heroic age a 8,DMC a 4,Golglo 13 a 4,DGM a 7,Naruto shippuden a 6,Bleach a 6,ikkitousen a 4 DD a 6 GG a 6,R+V a 5 Inikami a 9,Barcuro a 7,Glass blaze a 5,kenichi a 7,Toshokan Sensou a 7,Air gear a 6, Tenjho Tenge a 5,Vampire knight is a 6,Trigun a 8, and soon and so forth)
Naruto and bleach are wearing on me O-P is alil better by a point then again I see a new ep once a month or 2 :P

Wesley84

2008-07-09, 22:24

What gives you that impression?

I guess you need more dakka.

If you watch MF for the humor, yes, you will be disappointed. That, or you've not progressed since Episode 3.

- Tak

I think he means that MF has been designed to appeal to the mainstream, while tossing in enough homage and references to previous series to please long-time fans. As a result, Frontier feels dumbed down and mindless, especially when compared to the original series.

ZippyDSM

2008-07-09, 22:27

I guess you need more dakka.

I think he means that MF has been designed to appeal to the mainstream, while tossing in enough homage and references to previous series to please long-time fans. As a result, Frontier feels dumbed down and mindless, especially when compared to the original series.

*drops his grammar hammer and torch welding gun* ZOMG!!! well said! :eyespin:
M7 was silly but had something to it...MF while nice feels empty 0-o

4Tran

2008-07-09, 22:45

And M-F is somehow that much better writing wise?
Actually, yes it is. And by quite a fair margin to boot. The quality of writing is not an entirely subjective measure and Macross Frontier is well ahead of Macross 7. And I say this as someone who enjoyed Macross 7 quite a bit.

Why yes, and certainly less annoying. Unless you are deaf, then maybe you can enjoy Macross 7.
Quit the borderline insults. It's perfectly acceptable for someone to enjoy a particular show more than you do.

Noooo...don't mention the horrors of Dragonaut here. We don't need that staining this forum. We have a whole thread dedicated to our hatred of Dragonaut.
Precisely. This isn't the place to debate the merits of Dragonaut.

I think he means that MF has been designed to appeal to the mainstream, while tossing in enough homage and references to previous series to please long-time fans.
I'm not sure how this is supposed to be a bad thing...

As a result, Frontier feels dumbed down and mindless, especially when compared to the original series.
And this makes no sense. A valid complaint could be one or more of:
- I don't like the way the story is developed.
- I don't like the characters.
- I don't like the themes.
or even silly stuff like "I don't like the color palette". But someone saying that Macross Frontier "feels dumbed down and mindless" is obviously not paying attention. It's about the equivalent of someone saying that "I don't like Dragonball Z because there aren't enough scenes of men grunting".

And the bit about Macross Frontier feeling differently from the original is almost a tautology. None of the previous Macross have been very similar to one another, so why should Macross Frontier break this trend. Furthermore, isn't it good that it's not a carbon copy of an older show?

Tak

2008-07-09, 22:52

Quit the borderline insults. It's perfectly acceptable for someone to enjoy a particular show more than you do.

That is not an insult. That is a reference to how annoying the singing got for me. I actually found the damn series more enjoyable when I mute Basara's relentless singing! And I am speaking as a person who sat through its entirety, and I have damn good reasons to complain.

I think he means that MF has been designed to appeal to the mainstream, while tossing in enough homage and references to previous series to please long-time fans.

And about damn time it should!

*drops his grammar hammer and torch welding gun* ZOMG!!! well said! :eyespin:
M7 was silly but had something to it...MF while nice feels empty 0-o

Hah!

Macross 7 was like a refugee of Sentai reject with rock. The only thing they do in that was to sing, sing, sing, sing, sing, sing, sing, sing,sing,sing,sing,sing, singsingsingsing and sing some damn more. This one-track plot had hardly any commendable substance, let alone characters I remotely cared about. If Basara fell into a swamp and drowned, I don't think I would care. The same goes for most of the casts in the show, except Milia and Max. And the worst part, is that you have to endure the singing of secondary characters and villains. I find it it amusing how some of you are able to sit through its entirety. Not that I have anything personal against any of you for that.

Since then, there had been an outcry for Macross to set it straight. Macross Zero managed to head towards the right direction, followed by Macross Frontier, which finally and properly return the franchise back to its roots. This current series easily surpass everything I've watched recently, it gave me characters I care for, and a plot intriguing enough for me to wish for more. Thats all it matters for me.

- Tak

ZippyDSM

2008-07-09, 22:57

Actually, yes it is. And by quite a fair margin to boot. The quality of writing is not an entirely subjective measure and Macross Frontier is well ahead of Macross 7. And I say this as someone who enjoyed Macross 7 quite a bit.

Quit the borderline insults. It's perfectly acceptable for someone to enjoy a particular show more than you do.

Precisely. This isn't the place to debate the merits of Dragonaut.

I'm not sure how this is supposed to be a bad thing...

And this makes no sense. A valid complaint could be one or more of:
- I don't like the way the story is developed.
- I don't like the characters.
- I don't like the themes.
or even silly stuff like "I don't like the color palette". But someone saying that Macross Frontier "feels dumbed down and mindless" is obviously not paying attention. It's about the equivalent of someone saying that "I don't like Dragonball Z because there aren't enough scenes of men grunting".

And the bit about Macross Frontier feeling differently from the original is almost a tautology. None of the previous Macross have been very similar to one another, so why should Macross Frontier break this trend. Furthermore, isn't it good that it's not a carbon copy of an older show?
MF is 1 bad character and degrading direction away from being like DR...

MF is more a SOL anime than a MS anime and thats annoying...at least M7 was half a MS anime...but hopefully MF will stay away from the SOL bits for awhile... and focus on the relationships and the battles.

Tak
I would not call a SOL mainstreamed anime based on a scifi action romance anime "BETTER" than one based around a song battle plot when sining was one of the main sub plots to MS...... lets just say I like MF half as much as you hate M7.

4Tran

2008-07-09, 23:09

That is not an insult. That is a reference to how annoying the singing got for me. I actually found the damn series more enjoyable when I mute Basara's relentless singing! And I am speaking as a person who sat through its entirety, and I have damn good reasons to complain.
I think that you know perfectly what I mean. Just don't go over that line again.

MF is more a SOL anime than a MS anime and thats annoying...at least M7 was half a MS anime...but hopefully MF will stay away from the SOL bits for awhile... and focus on the relationships and the battles.
I'm not sure what you mean by "MS", but I fail to see how Macross Frontier is a Slice of Life show in the slightest. Well, other than you misusing the term altogether. Slice of Life is supposed to be a show that primarily uses the tone and mood of everyday life to communicate a theme. It is not synonymous with shows that depict day-to-day events from time to time.

Tak
I would not call a SOL mainstreamed anime based on a scifi action romance anime <SNIP>
I have to admit that I'm having a hard time seeing how this is necessarily a bad thing... You should also be aware that accusing a show of being "mainstream" isn't even slightly derogatory - in fact, it's much more likely to be complimentary.

Off-topic:
Why? Because the early designs looked like a sack of crap, really. Don't believe me? Find out yourself:

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2120/1121918033081wd1.th.jpg (http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1121918033081wd1.jpg)

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4493/113715890592050585he8.th.jpg (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=113715890592050585he8.jpg)

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/801/302304124988492268jq4.th.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=302304124988492268jq4.jpg)
Wow, it looks like this material was before Kawamori started using his vaunted mecha design policy. I had no idea that it made that much difference.

Wesley84

2008-07-09, 23:53

I'm not sure how this is supposed to be a bad thing...

I'm hardly one to demand a story try to be original (it's impossible to be original), but I don't like it when marketing takes the place of good story-telling or writing. That's the sense I get from Frontier. It's trying to sell itself with a story tacked on almost as an afterthought.

At least Gundam is honest about being all about model kits.

But someone saying that Macross Frontier "feels dumbed down and mindless" is obviously not paying attention. It's about the equivalent of someone saying that "I don't like Dragonball Z because there aren't enough scenes of men grunting".

I am paying attention. That's part of the problem, combined with I'm not buying most of what they're selling and how they have varying standards of production on an episode to episode basis. I can forgive bad animation, as animation requires alot of work and talent, but the writing and scripting should be easy for them, since it's not resource intensive, and they obviously have some talent since they know how to write out a good episode, but they can't maintain the same standard for whatever reason.

So rather than mindless or dumbdowned, they're simply lazy or overworked. Whichever the case may be.

And the bit about Macross Frontier feeling differently from the original is almost a tautology. None of the previous Macross have been very similar to one another, so why should Macross Frontier break this trend. Furthermore, isn't it good that it's not a carbon copy of an older show?

Then Macross fans should stop believeing the hype that Macross is somehow better than or unique from other Mecha brands, because it's clearly not besides the novelty of transforming carriers and Idols.

4Tran

2008-07-10, 00:17

I'm hardly one to demand a story try to be original (it's impossible to be original), but I don't like it when marketing takes the place of good story-telling or writing. That's the sense I get from Frontier. It's trying to sell itself with a story tacked on almost as an afterthought.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. You're welcome to feeling that Macross Frontier's storytelling and writing are lacking. However, I can't see where your argument is coming from, and I certainly can't share the same sentiment. Quite the contrary, I think that the writing for Macross Frontier is some of the best I've come across in quite a while. It's really too bad that you feel the way you do.

I am paying attention.
In that case, you may want to phrase your statements better in the future.

Then Macross fans should stop believeing the hype that Macross is somehow better than or unique from other Mecha brands, because it's clearly not besides the novelty of transforming carriers and Idols.
I'm not sure where this sentiment is coming from. It's sort of normal for ardent fans to feel that their particular favorite is the best of whatever category it's in. However, you're coming off as if there's tons of people constantly harping on this, and that it's somehow wrong to do so. If you have a concrete argument against any particular statement, then you'd do better to point it out and attack its logic rather than go about picking on a seeming strawman.

Tak

2008-07-10, 00:21

I'm hardly one to demand a story try to be original (it's impossible to be original), but I don't like it when marketing takes the place of good story-telling or writing. That's the sense I get from Frontier. It's trying to sell itself with a story tacked on almost as an afterthought.

At least Gundam is honest about being all about model kits.

I am paying attention. That's part of the problem, combined with I'm not buying most of what they're selling and how they have varying standards of production on an episode to episode basis. I can forgive bad animation, as animation requires alot of work and talent, but the writing and scripting should be easy for them, since it's not resource intensive, and they obviously have some talent since they know how to write out a good episode, but they can't maintain the same standard for whatever reason.

So rather than mindless or dumbdowned, they're simply lazy or overworked. Whichever the case may be.

Then Macross fans should stop believeing the hype that Macross is somehow better than or unique from other Mecha brands, because it's clearly not besides the novelty of transforming carriers and Idols.

Your argument over generalizes and lacks focus. I have yet to see you pinpoint a certain aspect of the show, with supporting evidence indicating why you might feel uncomfortable. You have thus far not done so. Worse, your accusations are usually false.

It also looks like you do not enjoy this series. Thus I have no idea why you would continue to torture yourself after 13 episodes. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Nobody is threatening you.

Just don't ruin it for the rest of us who find this show utterly enjoyable for varying reasons.

- Tak

4Tran

2008-07-10, 00:49

Your argument over generalizes and lacks focus. I have yet to see you pinpoint a certain aspect of the show, with supporting evidence indicating why you might feel uncomfortable. You have thus far not done so. Worse, your accusations are usually false.
While it may be nice if Wesley84 posted his reasons for not liking certain elements of Macross Frontier, he's certainly not constrained to doing so. It's quite possible that it's just a matter of personal taste, and there's obviously no need to provide evidence for that kind of thing.

It also looks like you do not enjoy this series. Thus I have no idea why you would continue to torture yourself after 13 episodes. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Nobody is threatening you.

Just don't ruin it for the rest of us who find this show utterly enjoyable for varying reasons.
While I can understand that it can be frustrating for fans of a show to see someone berate that show, it's something that goes with the territory of being in a discussion forum. This isn't some sort of appreciation thread, and both negative and positive comments should be considered welcome. I don't want anyone feel harassed because they hold an unpopular opinion, so I'm going to have to insist that no-one forcibly "suggest" that anyone either stops watching the show or posting here.

Tak, if you find Wesley84's comments are ruining your experience, might I suggest that you may want to put him in your ignore list. Personally, I prefer it if there were at least the odd dissenter involved in the discussion, provided that they can make some good arguments.

justinstrife

2008-07-10, 02:49

And Dallas isn't going to win a championship until they ditch Dirk.

My old man played Basketball for Moorhead state in the 60's, and is an avid basketball fan to this day. He would disagree with you greatly on this sentence(he's also got to sit next to the Dallas bench during post season, and met the owner, players, and former coach thanks to his last boss that he flew for). His feeling was that the coach Avery Johnson wasn't that great at coaching period.

-back-on topic

I'm not sure how anyone can like Macross 7 more so than Macross Frontier. I got 10 episodes into M7, and had to take a break. Currently that break has extended to 3 years and counting. :heh:

I've seen bits and pieces of the rest of the series, and have seen the OVA's/Movies, as well as the ending to the series. Easily the worst Macross story in my opinion.

ickem

2008-07-10, 03:57

My old man played Basketball for Moorhead state in the 60's, and is an avid basketball fan to this day. He would disagree with you greatly on this sentence(he's also got to sit next to the Dallas bench during post season, and met the owner, players, and former coach thanks to his last boss that he flew for). His feeling was that the coach Avery Johnson wasn't that great at coaching period.

-back-on topic

I'm not sure how anyone can like Macross 7 more so than Macross Frontier. I got 10 episodes into M7, and had to take a break. Currently that break has extended to 3 years and counting. :heh:

I've seen bits and pieces of the rest of the series, and have seen the OVA's/Movies, as well as the ending to the series. Easily the worst Macross story in my opinion.

Heh, I actually forced myself to go through the entire series just because it was Macross some 8 years ago and I now blissfully remember nothing except that it was a struggle to finish watching that thing. :p

CaptGloval

2008-07-10, 09:01

I guess trying to sit through M7 from start to finish isn't the best approach for that series. I myself would just take a jab at random snippets from the series and OVAs every now and then. In that case, if it was awful, I'd just suffer for a short while. If it was good then at least I got my Macross fix.

So far I find the Angel Voice sequence as the best from M7. The main series ending was LOL, and the first few episodes was ridiculous. Just to minimize the pain, I'd take on M7 when I feel like seeing something silly about Macross.

squaresphere

2008-07-10, 09:29

Since then, there had been an outcry for Macross to set it straight.
- Tak

I'd like to point out that M7 was a good deal MORE popular than the original Macross in Japan. There's a reason why it was the longest running macross series and had numerous spin offs.

The music in M7 can be annoying, really it comes down to if you like glam rock from the 80's :P Me I grew up in that era so I loved the music (most of it)

I also knew about all the crazy singing and speaker pods before ever viewing the series. Everyone told me to just turn off my brain and be entertained. It was not ever going to be a gripping space drama.

And really people that equate Macross to space operas have been disappointed with every macross after the original. ;)

4Tran

2008-07-10, 10:10

Anyone who wants to discuss Macross 7 should do so in the Macross 7 thread.

Westlo

2008-07-10, 17:12

I'd like to point out that M7 was a good deal MORE popular than the original Macross in Japan. There's a reason why it was the longest running macross series and had numerous spin offs.

When did M7 get a 20% tv ratings share like Macross?

narmi

2008-07-16, 14:01

When did M7 get a 20% tv ratings share like Macross?

Rock and roll :) anyway Macross Frontier itself is pretty good. I'm only watching Macross Frontier because it had the hint of "Top Gun" for a bit. Now its becoming like Macross Plus but it's still good :).

Westlo

2008-07-18, 18:53

lone_wolf

2008-07-18, 18:56

ani_d

2008-07-19, 22:24

Beat Magazine had a 5 page spread on Macross Frontier, once again scans provided by kresphy from Macross World forums.

http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross...h/080714m01.jpg (http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross/25th/080714m01.jpg)
http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross...h/080714m02.jpg (http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross/25th/080714m02.jpg)
http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross...h/080714m03.jpg (http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross/25th/080714m03.jpg)
http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross...h/080714m04.jpg (http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross/25th/080714m04.jpg)
http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross...h/080714m05.jpg (http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross/25th/080714m05.jpg)
http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross...h/080714m06.jpg (http://www.data.gov.cn/uploadme/me/macross/25th/080714m06.jpg)

lynn2009 wrote a summary for it

http://macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?s=&showtopic=26545&view=findpost&p=628048

Wow, I totally enjoyed that interview. It's like knowing Kawamori up close. I think everything that he wanted to be expressed in the series was executed flawlessly.

His goal about the teenagers getting the day to day to feel from the characters is what I noticed from the first episode, and probably one of the reasons why I was attracted to Frontier. (even if I'm not in my teens anymore:)) I think it made a really good first impression and I can see the younger audience relating to the high schoolers, being no good, the diehard tendencies towards the idol, the shock/fear of being thrust into a battlefield and all that. It was very well done.

My respect meter for Kawamori just doubled. I'm always going to be a big fan of Gundam but Macross gets the sliiight advantage because of the songs. I find myself wanting to hear more songs from Yoko Kanno.

Macross F is the first Macross TV series Kawamori has directed. 7 was directed by Amino Tetsuro and even Macross Plus was a co-director position. His tastes change and are reflected in each “Macross” series.

Kawamori never wants to do the same thing. It took ten years from the movie to do Macross 7 and Plus because enough time had passed and he could do something different. Even with Zero he could add a mythology aspect to it.

This should finally put to rest all of the Macross/Kawamori history labels on Macross Frontier.:heh:

Tak

2008-07-19, 22:37

This should finally put to rest all of the Macross/Kawamori history labels on Macross Frontier.:heh:

Actually, aside from the settings and the story, his characters have more or less remain consistent. At least according to his many critics, which has nothing to do with this so-called 'Kawamori history'.

And speaking of Kawamori-history, it would appear at this moment, you are the only person going about with it. Give it a rest, will ya?

- Tak

zalem

2008-07-19, 22:57

This should finally put to rest all of the Macross/Kawamori history labels on Macross Frontier.:heh:

Thing is I thought that to refer mainly to the storyline of each Macross. Every Macross is unique in its own way. You have some very different stories going on. But some things do carry over, such as the existence of the classic Macross love triangle. I'm not saying that it means things will go a certain way in this series though. We could have a Zero ending or maybe an M7 ending for the triangle

That would mean no one would win the love triangle. That would be tremendously amusing actually. Or a completely new type of ending. He could surprise us afterall.

ani_d

2008-07-20, 00:55

Give it a rest, will ya?

No offense, but say this to yourself.:)

Thing is I thought that to refer mainly to the storyline of each Macross. Every Macross is unique in its own way. You have some very different stories going on. But some things do carry over, such as the existence of the classic Macross love triangle. I'm not saying that it means things will go a certain way in this series though. We could have a Zero ending or maybe an M7 ending for the triangle.

I think it's not just the storyline but overall--since the romance is a big part of it. Aside from the main themes (as stated from the interview) which are romance, songs, and mecha--every Macross is unique in its own way. It should be and I'm glad Kawamori isn't someone some people make him out to be. =/ He's not out to trick people, he's out to make Macross Frontier relate to his audience and take them for a wild ride.

What I'm just tired of hearing from other fans--and it's not just here--is that they keep making predictions based on what Kawamori did in the past.

"Ranka is going to be like this because Minmei was like this." Or "Sheryl is going to be like that because Misa was like that", "Hikaru was like this with Minmei too so that's not a big deal", Or the best one, "You're being deceived, the story is going to turn out like this because >insert macross history here< and you first timer don't know anything since you don't know Macross" :heh:

I don't even think Kawamori cares about a definite character archetype or else, he wouldn't even think of making someone like Sheryl a minor character in his initial drafts. I'm glad all this is being cleared up one by one by official interviews.

Or a completely new type of ending. He could surprise us afterall.

This is the impression I got from his interview. He better give us a happy ending.:p

Tak

2008-07-20, 01:09

No offense, but say this to yourself.:)

HA! Speak for yourself. I am not the one who just brought it up again, right now! Hell, you coined the term.

- Tak

Westlo

2008-07-20, 04:50

I don't even think Kawamori cares about a definite character archetype or else, he wouldn't even think of making someone like Sheryl a minor character in his initial drafts. I'm glad all this is being cleared up one by one by official interviews.

Sigh Sheryl was a minor character at first because he initially wanted to do another Macross Plus type triangle with 2 guys and 1 girl. You really shouldn't be so hung up on original thoughts, for all we know it was Ranka and Brera (obviously not related to her in that version) who was going to be the original pairing of the show.

Westlo

2008-07-25, 07:02

Damn Frontier is going to move some major amount of units. Was reading this on AnimeOnDVD's forums.

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20080725/bandai.htm

Bandai has reportedly shipped 45,000 Blu-ray copies of vol. 1 to retailers, in comparison with 55,000 DVD copies. This is nearly a 50:50 ratio and presumably based upon the number of pre-orders received, so it's quite impressive IMO.

For comparison the highest selling dvd volume for a tv show this year is the first volume of Gundam 00 which sold 42,415. This is probably the first anime tv series to sell a lot on Blueray too.

magnuskn

2008-07-25, 07:14

Sigh Sheryl was a minor character at first because he initially wanted to do another Macross Plus type triangle with 2 guys and 1 girl. You really shouldn't be so hung up on original thoughts, for all we know it was Ranka and Brera (obviously not related to her in that version) who was going to be the original pairing of the show.

Well, it´s Japan... maybe Brera would have been her brother even in that scenario. "Oni-chaaaaaaaaan, Breraaaaa!". :D

ReddyRedWolf

2008-07-25, 09:04

I just saw All that VF.

It was an air show with the VF-25 Messiahs, YF-19 Alpha One, YF-21 Omega One.

The Koenig Monster was there though it wasn't built for acrobatics.:heh:

But the gold of this is...http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c111/ReddyRedWolf/VF-25SherylandRanka.jpg

magnuskn

2008-07-25, 10:40

Damn Frontier is going to move some major amount of units. Was reading this on AnimeOnDVD's forums.

Originally Posted by Buster Darkwings
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...725/bandai.htm

Bandai has reportedly shipped 45,000 Blu-ray copies of vol. 1 to retailers, in comparison with 55,000 DVD copies. This is nearly a 50:50 ratio and presumably based upon the number of pre-orders received, so it's quite impressive IMO.

For comparison the highest selling dvd volume for a tv show this year is the first volume of Gundam 00 which sold 42,415. This is probably the first anime tv series to sell a lot on Blueray too.

So, how does this heighten the chance of a second season / more episodes ? :D

Tsuchiro

2008-07-25, 12:01

http://www.macross.com.cn/album/upload/42400/768/42400_20080725230822_d33cdbd96a39ddb558b54d5efaa42 f0e.jpg

Westlo

2008-07-25, 21:21

Damn the BR looks stunning, if they reanimate some shoddy scenes I'll probably buy them even though I don't have a ps3 yet. If every episode was at the quality of Deculture/01 there would be no hesitation.

Anyway the "All That VF" clip is out on the net, they use Sheryl's "Welcome to my Fanclub Night" as the song for it. Some nifty scenes and lol at the Sheryl and Ranka "planes", adding Sheryl's kiss from the episode 15 duet was win too.

lone_wolf

2008-07-25, 21:29

Westlo

2008-07-25, 21:30

Check your pms!

Tak

2008-07-25, 21:31

Awesome! *off to find that clip*

--Lone Wolf
一匹狼

Yo, pass it over!

- Tak

justinstrife

2008-07-25, 21:37

Don't leave your fellow Sheryl fan out of the loop here. :)

Westlo

2008-07-25, 21:39

Sent to you and tak as well.

lone_wolf

2008-07-25, 21:45

Sent to you and tak as well.

Thanks! :D

--Lone Wolf
一匹狼

Tak

2008-07-25, 21:46

Love ya man, love ya!

Is this Mecha Porn or what!?

- Tak

ickem

2008-07-25, 21:57

What is this mecha porn about?

And I sure hope the sales numbers encourage them to realize that 9 epipodes isn't enough to do justice to Frontier's story.

Tak

2008-07-25, 21:58

What is this mecha porn about?

And I sure hope the sales numbers encourage them to realize that 9 epipodes isn't enough to do justice to Frontier's story.

Westlo, quick, do your magic!

- Tak

Westlo

2008-07-25, 22:03

Sent!

What is this mecha porn about?

And I sure hope the sales numbers encourage them to realize that 9 epipodes isn't enough to do justice to Frontier's story.

I know the one line spoilers aren't a real indication of what takes place in an episode but atm I can't see them wrapping this up in 9 episodes. And those dvd shipments are a lot... if they sell 70% of them and the rest of the volumes are within 80% of volume 1's sales Frontier will be in the top 20 dvd selling tv series for anime.

Tak

2008-07-25, 22:06

Sent!

I know the one line spoilers aren't a real indication of what takes place in an episode but atm I can't see them wrapping this up in 9 episodes. And those dvd shipments are a lot... if they sell 70% of them and the rest of the volumes are within 80% of volume 1's sales Frontier will be in the top 20 dvd selling tv series for anime.

Thing is, did we ever receive a confirmation that it was to be 25 episodes total?

Never saw anything from Japanese sources. Besides, considering Mac's track records, its more than likely that they will add more episodes on top of it based on popularity. But we shall see.

- Tak

Westlo

2008-07-25, 22:10

They initially listed 9 volumes, Vol 1 = Deculture + 32 Min version of Ep1, Vol 2-8 = 3 episodes each to get the total of 25. Though I remember someone 3-4 weeks ago posted that it was now 10 volumes long... and that yahoo japan article mentioned Frontier finishing October the 17th.. which would put it at 28 episodes..

Can anyone confirm how many volumes have been listed?

Teletha

2008-07-25, 23:25

Damn Frontier is going to move some major amount of units. Was reading this on AnimeOnDVD's forums.

For comparison the highest selling dvd volume for a tv show this year is the first volume of Gundam 00 which sold 42,415. This is probably the first anime tv series to sell a lot on Blueray too.

That's awesome. I really hope it does well. My Blu-Ray volume 1 copy is in the mail. :cool: I seriously can't wait to watch it now that I have seen comparison screenshots. I hope they redo some scenes as well, in the later episodes. I kind of wonder if it will have sales compared to R2. I guess we'll see.

Darial

2008-07-26, 00:03

Sent to you and tak as well.

Me too please! :D

Westlo

2008-07-27, 06:37

From a poster on MW with some info off the blueray booklet...

Macross F DVD/Bluray #2 released on 9.25. 95 min (planned). ￥6,300 for the DVD, and ￥7,350 for the Bluray.
Also says that there'll be 9 discs in total. (3 eps per disc, 25 episodes total. 4 eps. per disc, 33 episodes in total.)

Now that yahoo japan article stated that Frontier would finish airing on October the 17th which would put it at 28 episodes. So maybe volumes 2-4 are 4 episodes and 5-9 are 3 episodes each?

Also about the 3 episodes one.

7 Episode 1 3 versions. Quickie scanlation: About 3 months before the december broadcast, the preperations of the "Yakku Edition" were completed. It was too long, and parts were cut out to make the Deculture Edition. Also talks about the other two versions, and the changes between them.

cerrian

2008-07-30, 12:18

So the volume 3 cover got me curious about how well are the DVD's and Blue-Rays holding up on Amazon.co.jp. Boy was I surprised!

Blue-Rays:

1st - Macross Frontier volume 2
2nd - Macross Frontier volume 1
3rd - Macross Frontier volume 5
4th - Macross Frontier volume 3
5th - Macross Frontier volume 4
6th - Code Geass R2 volume 1

For all DVDs:

6th - Macross Frontier volume 2 (B-R)
7th - Macross Frontier volume 1 (B-R)
13th - Macross Frontier volume 5 (B-R)
15th - Macross Frontier volume 3 (B-R)
18th - Code Geass R2 volume 1 (DVD)
23rd - Macross Frontier volume 4 (B-R)

Although I have no idea what their criteria is for ranking these DVDs/B-Rs, it's still a very good sign to see MF dominating the front page.

ani_d

2008-07-30, 14:43

Wow, they beat Code Geass? Awesome lol Macross Frontier Volume 2 seems to be the most popular. Which episodes are in it?

stray

2008-07-30, 17:05

Wow, they beat Code Geass? Awesome lol Macross Frontier Volume 2 seems to be the most popular. Which episodes are in it?

It's still at the preorder stage... episodes 2,3,4 and possibly 5.

aohige

2008-07-30, 19:47

Just got our Macross F Blu-ray vol.1 yesterday.

Stunning. Simply stunning.
I hope Bandai releases Planet-ES, Cowboy Bebop, and Giant Robo OVAs on Blu-ray sometime in the immediate future. :D

Westlo

2008-08-01, 10:45

Frontier Blueray Vol 1 outsells DVD Vol 1 22k to 18k.

http://life.oricon.co.jp/56899/full/

This is according to Oricon.. and I've seen some weird figures from them.. I remember when Triangler first came out a thread on www.jpopmusic.com for it at one stage had "50k Oricon, 70k Billboard" in the topic name. Also going by the press released that announced them shipping 55k dvds and 45k Bluerays for Vol 1 the music cds sold the following, oricon figures in brackets.. not updated with the latest weeks charts.

OST = 190k (134k)
Triangler = 120k (84k)
DC/Don't Be Late = 120k (95k)
Interstellar Flight = 90k (52k)

Anyway going by Oricon Frontier is doing pretty damn well wit h40,000 copies, which combined is amazingly good for an animated tv series. If I combined the blueray and dvd figures together the top 5 single volumes sold this year according to Oricon would look like...

2008/01/25 42,415 Gundam 00 Vol. 1 (Two episodes)
2008/07/25 40,000 Macross F Vol 1 (Two versions of Episode 1)
2008/02/22 35,359 Gundam 00 Vol. 2 (Four episodes)
2008/03/25 32,856 Gundam 00 Vol. 3 (Four episodes)
2008/04/25 30,722 Gundam 00 Vol. 4 (Four episodes)

Last years would be.

2007/01/26 62,527 Code Geass Vol. 01 (One episode)
2007/02/23 52,702 Code Geass Vol. 02 (Three episodes)
2007/03/23 47,710 Code Geass Vol. 03 (Three episodes)
2007/01/26 44,899 Haruhi Vol. 7 Limited Edition (One episode)
2007/04/25 43,106 Code Geass Vol. 04 (Three episodes)

magnuskn

2008-08-01, 10:50

Westlo

2008-08-01, 11:07

Yep everything listed there is total sales to date, IIRC Code Geass Vol 1 did 42 or 43k in its first week before ending up with 63k, Gundam 00 Vol 1... was.... 30k I think in its first week. Vol 1 ends up being the biggest seller for like 99% of shows, Haruhi's last volume #7 actually bucked that trend and was the biggest seller, according to oricon anyway.

Frontier Vol 1 will probably end up with 30k Blueray and 25k dvd after a month or so. Depending on how the series ends these sales figures pretty much guarantee a sequel of some sort... if possible.. heck the music sales alone probably did lol. If no room for a sequel at least the wait we have for the next Macross project shouldn't be too far off.

ZippyDSM

2008-08-02, 16:11

Ep 17 is what I am talking about!!good stuff!!!!(love he music too :P)
the campy SOL based eps drive me crazy and drag the show down, but a good balance of action and drama is always win!
I hope they mange to keep things up!!

DonQuigleone

2008-08-03, 16:04

Anyone know if any groups are subbing the dvd version of episode 1? It's been out a few weeks now...

magnuskn

2008-08-03, 16:08

Anyone know if any groups are subbing the dvd version of episode 1? It's been out a few weeks now...

Already happened. Go to http://www.tokyotosho.com/ and look for the release from THORA.

Westlo

2008-08-27, 09:53

So looking the doujins from C74 it looks like Frontier dominated from what's out on the net, particular ones focusing on either Klan Klan or Sheryl.

magnuskn

2008-08-27, 09:57

So looking the doujins from C74 it looks like Frontier dominated from what's out on the net, particular ones focusing on either Klan Klan or Sheryl.

Don´t remind me of those Doujins... I got a spyware program ( XP Antivirus 2008 ) installed on my system and had to clean it for an hour or two...

magnuskn

2008-08-30, 13:38

I just posted this on Macrossworld, in response to someone else saying we wouldn´t need a second season, because the character arcs are done and there wouldn´t be enough plot for a S2. I thought it might be a worthwhile read for people here, too. Here goes:

Okay, I´ll need to ramble a bit.

First off, you don´t introduce random elements into a series which in the end turn out to be for basically nothing, if you have any skill as a writer. If you have a scene in a room where a sword hangs on the wall, it better damned get used somehow somewhere!

If Galaxies AIs have no bigger bearing on the series than to take up one episode with their chatter, then they should´t have been used at all. The time they took up could have been better used to make the Vajra something else than a faceless bug army, who have shown no personality at all during the whole series.

The same goes for Mr. Bilrer and his galactic railway. At the end of episode 15 he was introduced to us as some sort of big revelation, and I don´t think the impression the creators wanted to give us was just "Gee, it´s a Zentraedi advisor in a wheelchair! And he likes trains! How EXCITING!". The scenes screamed "Set-up for an important character!" back then, but so far there has been no cash-out on that investment.

If no further development on those two fronts would have been planned, then it would have behooved the creators to give us more background on the Vajra. So far, we know that they were somehow connected to the 117th and that the queen of Gallia IV could make a vision of Rankas mom. I have no doubt that we´ll get more on them in the last four episodes, but for the vast mayority of the series, all they have done is attack Frontier, then attack Frontier some more. No motivation, no negotiation, no personality. The only reason that they haven´t become the most boring enemy in Macross history, is that we know that there is another faction manipulating them.

And that faction, Macross Galaxy, cannot be dealt with in another Macross series 10 years down the line. They either get defeated decisively right now, in the next four episodes, or they should get theirs in a second season. You cannot introduce a bunch of characters into a storyline, declare them to be the "real game" and then drop them like hot potatoes. At least not if you are a writer worth spit.

As for the main characters, I don´t think we have scratched the surface of them yet. Yes, the love triangle is nearing its conclusion, but there are still many things which could be done with them. Characters can be more complex than a one-liner about them.

Now, with the numerous colonization fleets out there, who knows how many of them are purely human and how many are cyborged up. If the cyborgs feel that they are now superior to the norms, then I do sense a conflict coming up. Macross Galaxy is not afraid to push that button, if it serves their ( still nebulous ) plans, so why don´t do it in a season two?

And this brings me to my final point: The Macross universe must move a bit away from another enemy who just needs a beautiful song to be won over.

We have had now three or four such antagonists? The Zentraedi, the Protodevlin, the Birdmen and now the Vajra? Wouldn´t have some people already said "Enough of this!", if it weren´t for the interminably long time we had to wait for another Macross series? You can only repeat a story so many times, before it becomes stagnant.

Or are we all really just waiting for the Supervision Army to show up, and humanity just needs a new special songstress. To repeat the same story all over again?

Let´s rather tell a new story in the Macross universe. How the inner conflict between the human and cyborg colonization fleets threatened to extinct humanity, and that conflict needed to be overcome. Preferably with good music. :cool:

glyph

2008-08-30, 14:28

We have had now three or four such antagonists? The Zentraedi, the Protodevlin, the Birdmen and now the Vajra? Wouldn´t have some people already said "Enough of this!", if it weren´t for the interminably long time we had to wait for another Macross series? You can only repeat a story so many times, before it becomes stagnant.
The song is only the main factor in the DYRL version of Macross.

Song(and Minmay) is just the tip of the cultural iceberg for why the Zentradi defected in SDFM. (Another reason is because the Vrithwhai, Laplamiz and Quamzin fleets were ordered to be exterminated by Bodolle Zer to control the "infection", so they had nothing to lose by joining the other side).

Basara's song is similar to DYRL (because he is consciously trying to mimick Lynn Minmay), but he doesn't exactly "win over" the Protodevlin at the end either. He

helps them to save the Galaxy from being consumed by a Spiritia black hole with his song and forcefeeds them the cure for their need to feed on the Spirtia of others.

The Birdman was not won over by song. It was powered by song (of destruction), but won over by "THE POWER OF LOVE" which is, admittedly, even more cheesey.

In fact, in two series, the songstress herself is the final nemesis.
(Macross Zero and Macross Plus)

The Vajra won't be won over just by a song either. In fact, the so-called "Minmay Attack" Aimo is shown to be a red herring and the wrong approach to dealing with the Vajra, as shown by it's miserable failure and the "evil fascist" lyrics of the Minmay Attack version. They will will be won over (or won't be) because Ranka took the trouble to get inside their head and find out what the heck it is they want. The Vajra are not vulnerable to song, they are vulnerable to Ranka.

So the themes, are the same - War, Love, Song, and Variable Fighters (or it won't be Macross), but the approach they take to the story is markedly different.

magnuskn

2008-08-30, 14:35

The song is only the main factor in the DYRL version of Macross.

Song(and Minmay) is just the tip of the cultural iceberg for why the Zentradi defected in SDFM. (Another reason is because the Vrithwhai, Laplamiz and Quamzin fleets were ordered to be exterminated by Bodolle Zer to control the "infection", so they had nothing to lose by joining the other side).

Basara's song is similar to DYRL (because he is consciously trying to mimick Lynn Minmay), but he doesn't exactly "win over" the Protodevlin at the end either. He

helps them to save the Galaxy from being consumed by a Spiritia black hole with his song and forcefeeds them the cure for their need to feed on the Spirtia of others.

The Birdman was not won over by song. It was powered by song (of destruction), but won over by "THE POWER OF LOVE" which is, admittedly, even more cheesey.

In fact, in two series, the songstress herself is the final nemesis.
(Macross Zero and Macross Plus)

So the themes, are the same - War, Love, Song, and Variable Fighters (or it won't be Macross), but the approach they take to the story is markedly different.

It´s still "Music to defeat the enemy" in one way or another. The theme is getting repetitive, and as you yourself are showing, they have only variated the details.

I am not even saying that music shouldn´t play a big role in a hypothetical next season, because you said it... it´s Macross. But trotting out yet another enemy who is vulnerable to music would be stretching it a bit.

magnuskn

2008-08-31, 01:02

Hrmpf, I see the danger of posting in a thread seemingly nobody really looks at. I really thought my big post would elicit some discussion. :(

squaresphere

2008-08-31, 16:04

Just read your big post... I disagree with the fact that people would get bored with the music concept. You've said it yourself from time to time, it's what makes Macross, Macross.

Now I'm guessing you're wanting something more like M+ where the focus was on the people and the music was very secondary. Not to mention is was probably the only Macross that didn't come right up and say WAR = BAD.

The end battle in M+ was very much humanity versus AI and if they went to the cyber versus norm I see it ending up differently. In a straight up fight the cybers would win on paper as they can repair themselves easier and have superior tech. So my only thought is that in a Macross setting they would have to be reminded of what they have in common and not what makes them different. Probably through music :P

I've said it before, while Macross II isn't canon and was poorly executed I did like the concept. IE culture versus culture, songstress v songstress. The lack of common understanding is the foundation of all conflict.

As for Galaxy, I'm wondering if they're just a pawn in all of this. While Grace is state of the art I really have a hard time believing all of the Galaxy fleet is under her control. That's not to say she couldn't manipulate a conflict between the two fleets based on that lack of common understanding. The only problem with that is they do... Sheryl. She's from Galaxy (remember part of her appeal was she was all natural ;) ) and is probably still widely popular galaxy wide.

magnuskn

2008-08-31, 16:13

Just read your big post... I disagree with the fact that people would get bored with the music concept. You've said it yourself from time to time, it's what makes Macross, Macross.

Now I'm guessing you're wanting something more like M+ where the focus was on the people and the music was very secondary. Not to mention is was probably the only Macross that didn't come right up and say WAR = BAD.

Nah, I´m just fine with the original concept, and actually, I don´t mind repetition too much, as long as it done well. But I am not the mayority, and in every other type of serial format I have seen, the mayority gets bored if a concept is beaten into the ground from repetition.

That is why I think it is necessary to break out of the mold for one season, then return to do more again with the original concept ( like.... more Zentraedi! I miss them and their antics.). As we have a hot series running right now, why wait for another few years? It has compelling characters, a compelling setting and enough set-up to do the story.

As for Galaxy, I'm wondering if they're just a pawn in all of this. While Grace is state of the art I really have a hard time believing all of the Galaxy fleet is under her control. That's not to say she couldn't manipulate a conflict between the two fleets based on that lack of common understanding. The only problem with that is they do... Sheryl. She's from Galaxy (remember part of her appeal was she was all natural ;) ) and is probably still widely popular galaxy wide.

We don´t know very much about what exactly has happened to Galaxy. It could well be that any dissidents from their course were cyborged up and put under threat of "Force mode", as Grace so eloquently calls it when she disciplines Brera in ep 20.

As for Sheryl being the fly in their ointment... I expect exactly that to happen, if there is a season 2.

ReddyRedWolf

2008-09-08, 16:58

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oteF36gyhc

I just learned about Macross 3D, a botched production before Macross Zero.
Features the work of Gonzo in it.

What is interesting its pilot trailer is that it has a SDF in it.

SDF-3? Frontier gave us the Global.

Well it is set at 2050 , a year before VF-X2, at colony with a city named Central City.

The protagonist are two Meltran girls named Carno and Rolin.

From the looks of it the colony is at a civil war.

Rolin for some reason captured or recruited by the military. Seems to be a songstress trying to make a break to Hollywood.

BetoJR

2008-09-16, 08:47

Well, I'm glad they went the Macross Zero route, then... the CG looked way too weird around the characters - and I think only recently the technology has started to really let you fell something (like in animes the caliber of Appleseed EX Machina, for one).

But, I admit to being intrigued by the concept.

lars18th

2008-10-02, 18:53

magnuskn

2008-10-02, 19:11

The post above (previous page) is a simple example of basic trolling spam.
He did not add to the subject. He did not post a suggestion to the original question...

He just got in, trolled and got out...

But make no mistake, he will come back to check this forum to see if anyone is feeding on it so he can do some more trolling. Hopefully he wil actually suggest a fansub group on his next post or god forbid, he may even say something constructive :twitch:

Oh, look, it´s the guy who came into the forum *one day ago*, spouted off a lot of things about how everybody else but him is misinterpreting the relationship between Hikaru, Misa and Minmay in SDFM and DYRL, got soundly rebuffed by *everybody* about it and now behaves like if that somehow makes him a forum veteran. <golfclap>

gg is very good. I looked at Lunars releases, and I thought that their translations didn´t capture the feeling of the conversations very well, while gg did so most of the time. And, not to forget: Remation Eater. Reflex Missiles. How to get those two wrong when *everybody else* got it right is beyond me.

BetoJR

2008-10-02, 21:00

Not to mention the butchering of Yousei. I mean, the girl is referred throughout the series as a Fairy and they slap a "nymph" in the translation. Sheesh...

I'd wait for AONE, myself. But hey, they do take their time...

lars18th

2008-10-02, 21:36

Oh, look, it´s the guy who came into the forum *one day ago*, spouted off a lot of things about how everybody else but him is misinterpreting the relationship between Hikaru, Misa and Minmay in SDFM and DYRL, got soundly rebuffed by *everybody* about it and now behaves like if that somehow makes him a forum veteran. <golfclap>

gg is very good. I looked at Lunars releases, and I thought that their translations didn´t capture the feeling of the conversations very well, while gg did so most of the time. And, not to forget: Remation Eater. Reflex Missiles. How to get those two wrong when *everybody else* got it right is beyond me.

Lol! If you knew how much I don't really care about this forum or your opinion, for that matter, you probably wouldnt mention that you actually researched my forum history and read all my posts. I surely didnt read yours nor do I plan to.
Also,, when you mention *everybody* rebuffed me, are you talking about 3 people? Or is it 4?
Wow! I am glad those 3 or 4 people (which may now be known as *EVERYBODY*) put me right back in my place... after all, how could I dare express my opinion so blatantly in this forum since I only joined *one day ago* :D

Back to the translation subject, has anyone watched episode 22 from gg and Lunar side by side? Specifically the Macross Quarter piracy speech and the dialogues that follow?
To me, that is a key point where GG went absolutely flat on the translation, especially compared to Lunar.

BetoJR

2008-10-02, 21:40

Getting a little too personal here, or is it just me?

lars18th

2008-10-02, 21:43

BetoJR

2008-10-02, 21:49

I hope you actually know what the word nymph means and you are not mixing it up with nympho.
And I hope you know that a nymph is not the same thing as a fairy. Don't mix and match your allegorical make-believe creatures, please. Or, maybe, in your own little world, they may be the same thing. Oh, ignorance is bliss...

No matter, it was still a translation snafu. Even if you're too obviously trolling for effect. And we ARE straying from the topic - this is the Q&A thread, not the bickering about inane stuff thread.

So, buh-bye.

TwilightHack

2008-10-02, 22:14

Lol! If you knew how much I don't really care about this forum or your opinion, for that matter, you probably wouldnt mention that you actually researched my forum history and read all my posts. I surely didnt read yours nor do I plan to.
I'll remember that when you refute my post. And here I was, trying to think of you civilly.

---

ANYWAYS!

GG is good = but may miss or add lines here and there.
Lunar is par = but tends to butcher translations like no other.
AonE is great = but slow and karaoke is hardcoded
Shinsen Subs... haven't seen theirs but have heard its better than Lunars, nearing AonE's.

THORA is best = no complaints except we need to wait for BD releases.

I would recommend GG for original release and AonE for those who want better translations.

--> But make sure to get THORA's version when they release and scrap your other copies. <--

Tak

2008-10-02, 22:27

Lol! If you knew how much I don't really care about this forum or your opinion, for that matter,

You obviously care about it enough to post and reply ;)

But never mind. Lets try to keep it less personal, we have had enough of the for the last 25 episodes.

While I don't watch many subs, it seems to me that GG is like speed sub. They churn out a sub very fast, although the meaning can sometimes be lost in the translation. Lunar does it a couple days late, but it does slightly a better job. Regardless, both subs have its flaws when trying to translate quotes involving cultural significance to its audiences. Unfortunately, subs are what most people have to rely on.

ANYWAYS!

GG is good = but may miss or add lines here and there.
Lunar is par = but tends to butcher translations like no other.
AonE is great = but slow and karaoke is hardcoded
Shinsen Subs... haven't seen theirs but have heard its better than Lunars, nearing AonE's.

THORA is best = no complaints except we need to wait for BD releases.

I recommend GG for original release, AonE for better translations, and THORA when they release.

Or don't watch one with subs at all, they offer the best clarity ;)

- Tak

lars18th

2008-10-03, 00:18

Mr Load Reactive Cartridge, you caught me on that one :D

Not directing this at anyone but since I was hinted as being ignorant regarding the terms "yousei", "nymph" and "fairy", why not find out the true literary meaning of all 3 terms?

((From Wikipedia)
Yōsei (妖精, Yōsei? bewitching spirit) is a Japanese word that is generally synonymous with the English term fairy (フェアリー, fairy?). Today this word usually refers to spirits from Western legends, but occasionally it may also denote a creature from native Japanese folklore. For example, according to an old folk belief from Iwate Prefecture, it was once feared that that the yōsei could bring the dead back to life.

Nymph: In Greek mythology, a nymph is any member of a large class of mythological entities in human female form. They were typically associated with a particular location or landform. Others were part of the retinue of a god, such as Dionysus, Hermes, or Pan, or a goddess, generally Artemis.[1] Nymphs were the frequent target of satyrs.
Nymphs live in mountains and groves, by springs and rivers, and in valleys and cool grottoes. They are frequently associated with the superior divinities: the huntress Artemis; the prophetic Apollo; the reveller and god of wine, Dionysus; and rustic gods such as Pan and Hermes.

Fairy: A fairy (also fay, fey, fae, faerie; collectively, wee folk, good folk, people of peace, fair folk, and other euphemisms) is a type of mythological being or legendary creature, a form of spirit, often described as metaphysical, supernatural or preternatural.
Fairies resemble various beings of other mythologies, though even folklore that uses the term "fairy" offers many definitions. Sometimes the term describes any magical creature, including goblins or gnomes: at other times, the term only describes a specific type of more ethereal creature.

TwilightHack

2008-10-03, 00:21

All I have to say is that Fairy is explicitly stated in the description as the English term in the Yousei description.

Tak

2008-10-03, 00:25

Lets keep it simple, Japanese fandom refers to Sheryl as the Galactic Fairy in English occasionally, and not as the Galactic Nymph. Yousei is closer to the meaning of Fairy than Nymph, although it can extend to both.

For example: in Sentou Yousei Yukikaze, the Yousei describes the organization, which is Fairy Air Force (FAF).

- Tak

lars18th

2008-10-03, 00:42

All I have to say is that Fairy is explicitly stated in the description as the English term in the Yousei description.

And the appearance of a goblin or a gnome is also explicitly stated in the description of the English term Fairy.

I think we are tied up TwilightHack :D

magnuskn

2008-10-03, 01:12

Lol! If you knew how much I don't really care about this forum or your opinion, for that matter, you probably wouldnt mention that you actually researched my forum history and read all my posts. I surely didnt read yours nor do I plan to.
Also,, when you mention *everybody* rebuffed me, are you talking about 3 people? Or is it 4?
Wow! I am glad those 3 or 4 people (which may now be known as *EVERYBODY*) put me right back in my place... after all, how could I dare express my opinion so blatantly in this forum since I only joined *one day ago* :D

I read every post in this sub-forum, because I have been here for some time and plan to stay for hopefully a good more time. So, ZOMG, I noticed that you were here one day. Actually thought two days, clicked on your profile, corrected to one day. What great research.

Yeah, "everybody" was a bit too much, but let´s replace it with "a good number of people, whose opinion I respect and share". It´s more detailed, anyways.

And, yeah, how could you express your opinion so blatantly? Geeze, it´s as if you´d said controversial things like that Lunar seems to get some basic stuff completely wrong. Like "Remation Eater". Or "Reflex Missiles". I better make a senseless post that your post was a typical troll, blablabla. Pot. Kettle. Black.

TwilightHack

2008-10-03, 02:14

And the appearance of a goblin or a gnome is also explicitly stated in the description of the English term Fairy.

I think we are tied up TwilightHack :D
Touche, but Tak already finished this train of thought. ;)

DonQuigleone

2008-10-03, 05:07

On Nymph VS Fairy

Fairy makes me think of tinkerbell: Tiny, Butterflyish wings, kind of cute, in folklore sometimes malevolent or benevolent.

Nymph makes me think of: Sultry and Sexy, Naked woman singing in a grove off in the middle of a forest somewhere.

Now I think Nymph suits Sheryl's persona more than Fairy, Ranka would be more like a fairy. Sheryl is more mature and sexy -> I imagine this was Lunar's line of reasoning.

Also there's no way to directly translate a japanese cultural thing like that into English. It's like trying to translate Yokai, you could translate it as something like demon, but it means something quite different.

No excuses for Remation Eater (which was probably just misheard) and Reflex Weaponry though.

Also are there any smaller/encoded versions of thor's rips?

ZippyDSM

2008-10-03, 05:14

On Nymph VS Fairy

Fairy makes me think of tinkerbell: Tiny, Butterflyish wings, kind of cute, in folklore sometimes malevolent or benevolent.

Nymph makes me think of: Sultry and Sexy, Naked woman singing in a grove off in the middle of a forest somewhere.

Now I think Nymph suits Sheryl's persona more than Fairy, Ranka would be more like a fairy. Sheryl is more mature and sexy -> I imagine this was Lunar's line of reasoning.

Also there's no way to directly translate a japanese cultural thing like that into English. It's like trying to translate Yokai, you could translate it as something like demon, but it means something quite different.

No excuses for Remation Eater (which was probably just misheard) and Reflex Weaponry though.
I'll agree with the generality there, However there is not always as fine a difference in them.

Also the term Fairy(Yosei(sp)) in Japanese is a wide term which can mean spirit, Tinkerbell or a sultry Idol....all of which Sheryl dose not fall into.....*runs and hides* :heh:

edit

And Yokai like some JP words have a meaning based on situation so it can well mean Demon,Spirit,specter,ect,ect,ect...

BetoJR

2008-10-03, 07:38

lars18th

2008-10-03, 08:18

Not a single argument here, however misguided some may be, can be used when the characters from the show themselves address Sheryl as the GALACTIC FAIRY! IN ENGLISH! And the song lyrics are OBVIOUSLY referring to this little peculiarity!

Now, can we go back to topic, or do we actually need more proof that Lunar messed up? I still like 'em, but this slip up grated me big time.

And lars18th, I can't believe you went to all the trouble to research the terms on Wikipedia, of all places. I thought you knew what you were talking about, when you seemed to brag so much. Guess not, huh? :heh:

Hey BetoJR, this is the third time you refer directly to me with a derogatory comment implied. Sounds very hypocritical from the guy that joined this argument by saying others were getting personal. Please stop claiming you are trying to steer the conversation back to topic while you are meanwhile taking little stabs at people.

Fairy and Nymph are synonyms and the exact denomination from both terms ends up being very personal(or culturally related). Maybe by fairy you relate to tinkerbell because you grew up on Disney and u think tinkerbell is cuter.
The term nymph is not as widely used but in my opinion it applies much better to Sheryl as someone else already mentioned.
If you embrace the fact that those two words are synonyms why would you be OUTRAGED and call LUNAR butchers and ignorants about Macross content just because they chose the term nymph? Seriously, get over it.

lars18th

2008-10-03, 08:22

I read every post in this sub-forum, because I have been here for some time and plan to stay for hopefully a good more time. So, ZOMG, I noticed that you were here one day. Actually thought two days, clicked on your profile, corrected to one day. What great research.

Yeah, "everybody" was a bit too much, but let´s replace it with "a good number of people, whose opinion I respect and share". It´s more detailed, anyways.

And, yeah, how could you express your opinion so blatantly? Geeze, it´s as if you´d said controversial things like that Lunar seems to get some basic stuff completely wrong. Like "Remation Eater". Or "Reflex Missiles". I better make a senseless post that your post was a typical troll, blablabla. Pot. Kettle. Black.

Weak comeback.

magnuskn

2008-10-03, 08:24

Weak comeback.

And put on ignore. Thanks for making it easy.

BetoJR

2008-10-03, 08:34

Hey BetoJR, this is the third time you refer directly to me with a derogatory comment implied. Sounds very hypocritical from the guy that joined this argument by saying others were getting personal. Please stop claiming you are trying to steer the conversation back to topic while you are meanwhile taking little stabs at people.
Little stabs? Get over yourself, man. I'm responding to your base tone in a much lighter vein than you've ever displayed here. So, chill.

But you're right, I am straying way out of topic. So, this will be my last post on this subject.

Fairy and Nymph are synonyms and the exact denomination from both terms ends up being very personal(or culturally related). Maybe by fairy you relate to tinkerbell because you grew up on Disney and u think tinkerbell is cuter.
The term nymph is not as widely used but in my opinion it applies much better to Sheryl as someone else already mentioned.
If you embrace the fact that those two words are synonyms why would you be OUTRAGED and call LUNAR butchers and ignorants about Macross content just because they chose the term nymph? Seriously, get over it.
Nymph and Fairy are not, and have never been, synonyms. Your little research on Wikipedia didn't give you any clues? I'm surprised at that. And don't put words in my mouth/keyboard output. I merely stated they butchered a translation of a song (that I particularly enjoyed). I never said they were butchers or ignorants. But that was enough to throw me off their translations, at least of this particular series, seeing as there are other groups doing it.
So, how's that for a little text comprehension 101?

And I don't care if someone thinks nymph applies better to Sheryl. She's referred throughout the series as the Galactic Fairy. In english. I really don't see how you can fail at noticing this little tidbit.

On that note, I'm off.

ZippyDSM

2008-10-03, 10:38

I Do not really care what the "standard" definition of a multiple use word is, its like calling the monsters in InuYasha spirits, its a reasonable translation and frankly its more correct than the drooling fanboy idol "fairy" .

BetoJR

2008-10-03, 10:49

Dude, if the characters didn't refer to her as Fairy, on the anime (and in very clear english if I may add), I would have no problem to concede this point. However, they do. ;)

The irony of the fact I'm still discussing this is not lost on me, however.

What I don't care for is blatant ill-manners and shifty behavior when someone disagrees with another's opinion. I may joke and point fingers, but I dare you to actually find me an instance where I was disrespectful to anyone here, over my 4+ years on these forums. And I have never negatively repped anyone over a difference in opinion.
Scratch that, I have never negatively repped anyone, period.

ZippyDSM

2008-10-03, 11:00