Super Pill weight loss plan? (manga spoilers)

[Lord Raiden]

Ok, let's try this again since the spoiler tags didn't work last time and the thread got nuked at the last reset. (sigh)

After reading chapter 191 of the manga I noticed that Choji (sp?) had lost a lot of weight and is a whole lot thinner after using all three pills. Was I seeing that right? And if that's true, then do those pills somehow boost the chakra by jacking the metabolism through the roof and boosting the body side of the Chakra? IF that's true that would explain a lot about how they work. IT would also explain all the pain he was feeling as well as his concern that he might die from eating one. Because if what I'm guessing is true, once you run out of fat and energy, or whatever else the pills decide to make the body feed itself off of, then you would die. Kinda like going from a fatboy to a starved child in five minutes flat. (imagine how many people would go nuts for a diet plan like that!! hehe) Can anyone clarrify this for me?

[Lee-pimp]

i think your right bout the fat into chakra thing cus he did seem a lot thinner but im nto sure either good question

[Hunter]

Ok, let's try this again since the spoiler tags didn't work last time and the thread got nuked at the last reset. (sigh)

After reading chapter 191 of the manga I noticed that Choji (sp?) had lost a lot of weight and is a whole lot thinner after using all three pills. Was I seeing that right? And if that's true, then do those pills somehow boost the chakra by jacking the metabolism through the roof and boosting the body side of the Chakra? IF that's true that would explain a lot about how they work. IT would also explain all the pain he was feeling as well as his concern that he might die from eating one. Because if what I'm guessing is true, once you run out of fat and energy, or whatever else the pills decide to make the body feed itself off of, then you would die. Kinda like going from a fatboy to a starved child in five minutes flat. (imagine how many people would go nuts for a diet plan like that!! hehe) Can anyone clarrify this for me?

So I will remake my last answer too ^^

I think that you're most likely right, it's pretty obvious choji loses much weight. The pills must accelerates the metabolism, transforming the stamina into chakra extremely quickly without any control.
The user dying quickly, his vital energy being completely exhausted.
Like the butterfly a superb but extremely short life.

[OFFSPRiNGCo16]

Yea I agree with that completely but it woudl be a shame for Chouji to die...hmm :p I hope he doesnt.

[Fei-san]

relax he will just lose so much weight that he will be thin and ppl will be calling him "stickass" instead of "fatass"......i wish

[Kamui4356]

Choji will probably die. He said he would before he took the last pill. Anyway it seems that the pills did indeed speed up his metabolism, converting most of his body fat into chakara. Losing that much weight in less than a minute would send his body into shock, so without treatment he's dead.
Edit: none, just thought I'd check if spoiler tags work test

[Lord Raiden]

Yeah, the spoiler tags aren't working yet. I figure though that the admins will fix that soon. I also hope Choji doesn't die. I like him, even if he is a silly fat***. :) But the way he went down at the end I think he'll live as he still looks like he's got a little fat on him and is not totally wasted away (you gotta remember, that was one seriously fat boy when he started, so he ought to have plenty of fat to work off for a while) but most probubly in shock from the super uber weight loss. But considering how much food that peewee fighter can pack away, I doubt he'll be skinny long. :)

[uglypigs]

bah, chouji is dead, RIP big fella. its a damn shame but he went out like the heart-warming badass he is.

[Vicious]

Hunter-san said it all.
BTW, why aren't the spoiler tags working?

[Fei-san]

Because they changed to different kind of forum type, or that their old version or whatever had a modification, so after the reboot/deletion/whatever their modifaction might have been deleted aswell, just a guess from silly me

[[FLaT]]

Hunter-san said it all.
BTW, why aren't the spoiler tags working?

Because, They need to mod vBulletin to accept the spoiler tag.

[Dopeskills]

Well, I guess we'll just have to put spoiler warnings in the subtitiles for now....

And I don't think Choji will die. [But he should]

[kisame]

i think the reason why the pepper pill is so dangerous it focuses every thing chakra and body fat into one area making it very hard to recover

dang had to re register i was formally known as havok

[portezbie]

they actually say somewhere in the manga that choujis family passes down a technique that great increases strength but sends the metablosim through the roof and thus is so fitting for their chubby genes......go meat tank!

[d00pEy]

i told you guys he was gonna lose weight after that pill from that last thread!

:eek:

[Lord Raiden]

Geez, give me a few of those pills and let me have at it. Man, talk about the ultimate weight loss plan. :D

I'm thinking that Soldier pills do something similar, but on a much smaller scale. The red, green, and blue (or whatever colors they were) pills that Choji had are like soldier pills super sized.

[archzai]

crap choji dies?

btw... wuts happening? why does he take the soldier pills anyways? can anyone tell me? :)

[Lord Raiden]

Choji fights against one of Oro's evil 4 (the big fat guy with a bad haircut and an even worse attitude) to keep him at bay while the rest of his team goes to rescue Sasuke. Choji has to use super soldier pills to beat this guy and finally does, but at the cost of much damage to his body. It's theory that he'll die, but right now, taking this from a writers perspective and my own experiences doing novels, I don't see that happening just yet. It just doesn't seem like the right time in the story for him to bite it. I may be wrong, but I don't feel he's down for good. Just out for a bit. Just like Lee. Lee will come back eventually, but not right away.

[archzai]

hmmm interesting...

btw... in terms of the manga... is Lee back in yet?!

[Hunter]

Choji fights against one of Oro's evil 4 (the big fat guy with a bad haircut and an even worse attitude) to keep him at bay while the rest of his team goes to rescue Sasuke. Choji has to use super soldier pills to beat this guy and finally does, but at the cost of much damage to his body. It's theory that he'll die, but right now, taking this from a writers perspective and my own experiences doing novels, I don't see that happening just yet. It just doesn't seem like the right time in the story for him to bite it. I may be wrong, but I don't feel he's down for good. Just out for a bit. Just like Lee. Lee will come back eventually, but not right away.


Actually I think exactly the opposite.
I say that I hope that Choji dies since the chapter 189 for several reason.
First because if you can win against anybody just by eating a pills, it will be the lamest thing in all the series, there are no meaning of prohibit this pills if you don't die by eating them.
And seriously I hope that Kishimoto will slow down a little the curse seal/demon inside/pills point, it's too 'easy'

But more significant, all the symbolism of the butterfly indicates the death of Choji, and if he dies, there are no way that Sasuke can return in Konoha like that and it's in this direction that the manga goes for the moment.

Then if Choji dies, Lee will most likely survive.
There are no way that two secondary main characters dies in the same time.
Haku died in the volume 4, 7 volume after that Hayate died, 5 volume after Hayate the 3rd died, and 6 volume after that it's the turn of Choji.

[pathyfinder]

just finished reading it and I understand the butterfly thing, but i was still hoping that the "medic" that assists Tsunade was perhaps still in the area, and if they found him also in time, she or Tsunade could heal Chouji. Perhaps they are not in the area anymore, as they had to take the two wounded chuunins back to Leaf for healing. :eyespin:

[Coder8]

I fully beleive choji is dead.
I mean they showed all that about choji's life goal being finding a freind and holding onto him and protecting him.
He accomplished all his goals and he stated that he would die if he had the red pill.
The butterfly signifies his soul going to heaven or wherever their spirits go.
He be dead. I would make a tombstone for him right now if it was up to me.
(edit) also Path,they were 2 jounins.

[OhJustSomeRandomGuy]

Actually I think exactly the opposite.
I say that I hope that Choji dies since the chapter 189 for several reason.
First because if you can win against anybody just by eating a pills, it will be the lamest thing in all the series, there are no meaning of prohibit this pills if you don't die by eating them.


It could be something that plays off of the fact that the users of those pills are all supposed to be fat. Someone like Neji couldn't use one because it wouldn't give him a boost. It's effectiveness would be like taking an Altoids or something.

BTW, have any of the other genin used the super soldier pills yet? I seem to recall something about them using them, but can't remember.

[Milliniar]

So that would also mean neji lived. ^_^ BUt anyways on the topic of pills....
even though you said it is too easy. I think the pills chouji gave the others will come in handy in them surving their fights....well maybe not naruto he has Kuybi. But i am sure that they will be used to help shikamura and kiba win their battles.

[pathyfinder]

opps sorry about the level of the ninja's wounded....:eyespin: jounins got it! :D

guess you guys are right, but I just wanted to have hope that perhaps we could find him one day in the hospital recovering :D

I thought the pills were given so the "team" could regain their strength after it had been sucked from them by that "chakra sucking ground mound" thing. ... crap those shots of Chouji.... :sad:....*need more tissues at desk*

I will hate Sasuke even more now because his stupidity cost us lossing Chouji! Guess someone didn't like Ino getting all soft on Chouji instead of staying on Sasuke.....:twitch:....... :bash:

WTF Neji's dead also! :frustrated:

[Hunter]

It could be something that plays off of the fact that the users of those pills are all supposed to be fat. Someone like Neji couldn't use one because it wouldn't give him a boost. It's effectiveness would be like taking an Altoids or something.


Indeed the users of those pills are supposed to be fat, this is what I said in my first post...
But it's not the point, the pills are secret tools from the Akichi clan, the last pill is prohibited even for them, fat or not.
If Choji survive to that it would be the same as somebody surviving to the 8 Gates.
Stupid and lame.

BTW, have any of the other genin used the super soldier pills yet? I seem to recall something about them using them, but can't remember.

No, the other take only normal soldier pills.

[pathyfinder]

If Choji survive to that it would be the same as somebody surviving to the 8 Gates.Stupid and lame. I was given the impression that if someone was uber strong (well, I know Chouji isn't) but like a HoKage or something they could survive 8 gates being opened????:help:

[Coder8]

I think surviving the 8 gates is more of a expereince and to know the limit of what you can do and when to stop.
I beleive a hokage would stop before he destroyed himself,he would get the job done and go back to normal.
As for the pills....I think that choji has about 5% chance to live alone and 40-50% chance to live if a healer comes....
but if he lives through this alone i will be upset.

[Yondaime]

this info is all very interesting :D I was curious if someone could post a pic or a link to the pic of Chouji skinny :) Im curious to see what he looks like ^__^ thanks!

- Yondaime

[Kuai]

10 bucks says chouji lives because of his fat but stays thin forever making him the ladies man lol

[Sai]

So I will remake my last answer too ^^

I think that you're most likely right, it's pretty obvious choji loses much weight. The pills must accelerates the metabolism, transforming the stamina into chakra extremely quickly without any control.
The user dying quickly, his vital energy being completely exhausted.
Like the butterfly a superb but extremely short life.

I just thought, Choji's pills are very similar to an attack that Dragon gundam used in G Gundam, in G Gundam the Dragon Gundam's arms got ripped off so he did this weird attack where butterfly wings came out but it was supposed to be a kamikaze attack also. I think it's kinda weird how i just made a connection between Naruto and Gundam! :heh:

[Kyoji]

this info is all very interesting :D I was curious if someone could post a pic or a link to the pic of Chouji skinny :) Im curious to see what he looks like ^__^ thanks!

- Yondaime


Pictures of Chouji:
skinny chouji 1 (http://server5.uploadit.org/files/AntKyoji-skinnyChoji.JPG)
skinny chouji 2 (http://server5.uploadit.org/files/AntKyoji-skinnyChoji2.JPG)
skinny chouji 3 (http://server5.uploadit.org/files/AntKyoji-skinnyChoji3.JPG)

[Coder8]

>8) i wouldnt have mentioned they were juonins if i didnt think they would play a role later. mainly that a jounin is better equipited(sp.) to help the group...and heal choji ;)
I really do want him to be alive...but at the same time i cant denie the fact he may be dead.
The comparison between Choji and the dragon gundam in G gundam is a good one,and they are both meant to be the same thing ;)
But you may noticed he didnt kill himself,he was saved so to speak >8)

[Lord Raiden]

I say they need to keep Choji alive. Even if he is a minor charecter, he plays a big part in the show. You guys just don't see the part he plays because he's an indirectly supporting charecter. But I think that if he was to die at this point it would create a problem. Now his dying a while down the road may still be possible, but at this point I think it would be a bad idea for story flow.

I think it would be better for him and Neji to just be out of action for a very long time and come back like I expect Lee to do. If you notice with Lee, they didn't kill him off, but he's out of the picture for now and probubly a while to come, but they left him in just so he could be used later, because I think they got a huge use for him later. Same with Choji and Neji. I see this as a setup for future usage of the charecters, therefore I don't think either of them are dead.

Messed up beyond imagination, but not dead.

[pathyfinder]

I understand all the reasons WHY he should be dead, but I will miss him :sad: that's the only reason i want him to be alive. :D

[Coder8]

Well...while for him to be used as a later pawn is kinda lame...
If they dont kill some people...as Hunter said i beleive...It cant be hard times unless people die. If kishimoto cant kill a character,then we might as well not read this. No one does that are good guys so you KNOW it ends up fine in the end. Its like going into the theater to watch the titanic,you know what happens at the end.

[Lst2touchdasky]

The pill was a clan thing right? Chouji most likely trained his whole entire life for moments like these, the pill is one of the qualities that gives his clan pride and power, all of the clan memebers probally had to use the pill at some point, thats why you dont see armys of giantic people running around khonha; Only the rare few or strong survive: and the only person you really see of this clan is chouji's father, that means Chouji's father is the one of the rare few who can stand the effects: and since chouji is his son he has a better chance of surviving then any one else. Sure he has a chance of dieing but he also has a chance of surviving and the butterfly could have symbolized that chouji is still ok. Im not saying that chouji wont suffer any consequense from his pills- he probally be weaker and have no real control over his chakra from now on, but wouldnt it be fun to see ino fall for chouji :p? Any ways Kishimoto killing of chouji wouldnt help the story advance in any way at all, but if he killed neji- it would prove to sasuke and naruto that advance bloodlines arent all powerfull, and also killing off neji now when his no longer regret full and has any hatred for his clan might not be so bad. Furthermore this leaves no more male hyugaa canidates for hinata to an in clan marriage leaving oppurtonities for naruto :naughty: .

... im thinking to much leave me alone :heh:

[Coder8]

Up until about half way through there i agreed with ya ;)
But sorry,Choji statistically is more apt'd to be dead.
Why? For reasons i'm about to re-explain.
The fight had many flash backs with choji in his child hood.
It showed his father telling him that your goal in life should be to find a freind,trust in him and protect him. He accomplishes everything he beleives he needs to. He beat the enemy to protect them and to show that he isnt worthless.
The butterfly chakra bet also has signifigance...other then a persons opinion that views it as being a ok sign. the factual part of it has more imorptance then the opinion.

Also neji is on a goal to be stronger then everyone. He had no flash backs to his child hood and there was no signs he is dead. Also,did you forget about Haku? Bloodline limit=dead and Naruto,a dropout beat Neji. That proves Bloodline limits arenr all that (Also through in a true drop out Lee beat sasuke,a genuis Uchiha.)

[Lst2touchdasky]

Also neji is on a goal to be stronger then everyone. He had no flash backs to his child hood and there was no signs he is dead. Also,did you forget about Haku? Bloodline limit=dead and Naruto,a dropout beat Neji. That proves Bloodline limits arenr all that (Also through in a true drop out Lee beat sasuke,a genuis Uchiha.)
Well in the haku vrs sasuke match thats 2 advance bloodlines against each other of course one would loose but that doesnt show weakness it shows fate. In neji vrs naruto that doesnt downgrade the bloodline at all- It shows that one simple hyuuga attack can counter a kid who is ehanced by demon qualities. And at the end of both matches they both recieved medical attention- in Neji vrs spiderman's cousin as the very first time Kishimoto put a advance blood line against something reasonable and at the very end of that match he had countless wounds and a hole through his belly + shoulders and he was coughing up blood- not only that he used up all his chakra so if he cant move he kinda bleeds to death and the medic ninjas are far closer to chouji then they are to neji :p

[Coder8]

He had a whole in his side. Upper side,less vitals there and a shoulder wound isnt fatal. nor is a side one if attended to...or hell,self attended too.

Also ,2 people go against each other in a battle to the death,someone always wins...or they both die. thats a basic fact.