Lucky Star - Q & A [Archive]

monir

2007-04-19, 23:24

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Larcx

2007-04-20, 08:42

Finally LS own thread:heh:

is it true
all Lucky*Star crew left handed?

JediNight

2007-04-20, 08:58

Of the main cast, Konata appears to be ambidextrous, and the rest are all left-handed yes.

Vexx

2007-04-20, 10:38

I'd lay money the author is a left-hander taking his revenge on a society that still 'punishes' left-handedness :)

GriS

2007-04-21, 05:09

I'd lay money the author is a left-hander taking his revenge on a society that still 'punishes' left-handedness :)

Really? Being a left-hander myself, I don't see any much difference from right-hander.
Actually, I use right hand/side for sports but left hand for writing... what does you call that type of person? :D

Anyway on topic,
Does 4-koma also has different type of 'Lucky Channel', featuring Akira and the stiff male counterpart?

Telliamed

2007-04-21, 05:39

Q: Any particular reason for the name "Lucky☆Star"?

(I can probably guess. But for the sake of discussion, I'm asking anyway.)

Vexx

2007-04-21, 12:54

Really? Being a left-hander myself, I don't see any much difference from right-hander.
Actually, I use right hand/side for sports but left hand for writing... what does you call that type of person? :D

Anyway on topic,
Does 4-koma also has different type of 'Lucky Channel', featuring Akira and the stiff male counterpart?

Are you from Japan? (left-handedness there was still rather frowned apon even through the 80s, even now people are considered poorly mannered if they use hashi/chopsticks with their lefthand) ... in the US even as late as the 70s children were often forced to "change hands") -- in older times, left-handed people were looked on with great suspicion.

Its called "ambidexterous" .... or "equally challenged with both hands" :) I'm ambi ... I can use chopsticks with either hand and switchhit when golfing/putting and shooting pool. I can write with either hand. ... just none of it exceptionally well :)

The 4-koma comics never mention Lucky Channel --- it is purely an add-on and based on a real life radio show for the fandom. I love it but I also hate it since it takes time away from the meat of the show. I suppose they came up with it to pad out the show since they're probably not going to do the four volumes released so far in detail (like Azumanga did with their 4 volume manga when they adapted it to animation).

Edgewalker

2007-04-21, 16:29

Q: Does this anime have any kind of plot ?

Deathkillz

2007-04-21, 17:12

^ sure it has a plot...its about the random (fun) adventures of konata and Co. :D (if that isnt a great plot i duno what is)

chaos4ever

2007-04-21, 18:38

According to Level E, frankly a big fan and close follower of the Lucky Star franchise (to say the least), "The strip like various other 4koma does not have a plot, but focuses on the social observations made by the characters throughout their daily lives." (http://www.windfs.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=175)

And according to him, Konata is ambi, while the rest of the four are lefties.

The 4-koma comics never mention Lucky Channel --- it is purely an add-on and based on a real life radio show for the fandom. I love it but I also hate it since it takes time away from the meat of the show. I suppose they came up with it to pad out the show since they're probably not going to do the four volumes released so far in detail (like Azumanga did with their 4 volume manga when they adapted it to animation).
Lucky Channel is an "advertising vehicle used to promote various Kadokawa merchandise. It has its own corner in Comptiq [the magazine where Lucky Star is published], a radio show, and now a TV show."

anyway, yeah. the link explains a lot

Ffenix Rising

2007-04-21, 22:43

Lucky Channel is an "advertising vehicle used to promote various Kadokawa merchandise. It has its own corner in Comptiq [the magazine where Lucky Star is published], a radio show, and now a TV show."

I mentioned this before, on the same day that they posted this trivia on their forums I might add, but since that post is in the Generic Discussion, it got buried and never seen again... until now!

Link: http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=910934&postcount=1410

:)

Ayu-ayu

2007-04-22, 20:20

Much earlier in the original thread, Sushi-Y mentioned something about Akira-chan's column being canned previously in Comptiq... I asked what he was refering to, but I don't think he saw my question. Still, it sounds like there's something else beyond or predating the radio show? I know a lot of magazines have little themed editorial pages after some manga, so perhaps it was something like that for a while?

Man, I have some old issues buried very, very deeply somewhere in my condo, I should try and locate them again now... >_<;

Maveric

2007-04-26, 22:11

Q: What the heck is a QUO card. I did a google search and I think its a debit card, but I cant read the website so I dunno.

kj1980

2007-04-27, 09:43

Q: What the heck is a QUO card. I did a google search and I think its a debit card, but I cant read the website so I dunno.

It's a pre-paid debit card that can be used in the shops listed here: http://www.quocard.com/member/ (site in Japanese, but you can see the companies' logo)

Since there are many popular chain stores that take QUO cards, many have jumped on the bandwagon to advertise their goods on these cards (in this case, Comptiq advertising moe~ characters onto QUO cards, which obviously Konata does anything she can to get her hands on them but will never use them)

Vallen Chaos Valiant

2007-04-29, 12:47

It's a pre-paid debit card that can be used in the shops listed here: http://www.quocard.com/member/ (site in Japanese, but you can see the companies' logo)

Since there are many popular chain stores that take QUO cards, many have jumped on the bandwagon to advertise their goods on these cards (in this case, Comptiq advertising moe~ characters onto QUO cards, which obviously Konata does anything she can to get her hands on them but will never use them)

Ahh... So it is like collecting mint postage stamps.

How much do these cards generally cost? I just want to know what amount of money Kotana is spending, buying multiples...

Sushi-Y

2007-04-29, 23:26

How much do these cards generally cost? I just want to know what amount of money Kotana is spending, buying multiples...
They work pretty much like gift cards, which means you can put any value you want on them. Standard amount usually ranges from 500 to 10,000 yen though.

The kind of QUO card Konata talks about, however, are more of a type of "collectible goods" geared towards otakus, which are no different from normal cards except they often feature original illustrations of a certain anime/manga/bishojo game series (which makes them highly desirable for the fans). These are often available through online/magazine mail orders or prize drawings (like what Comtiq does). This is pretty much the same with the phone cards, although they have been around for longer.

Just like Konata said, cards like these are mainly for collection purposes, so the cash value on them is usually low (500-1000 yen range), which makes them more affordable for collectors.

Ayu-ayu

2007-04-30, 19:51

Level E

2007-05-01, 12:42

Erm, I'll try asking a third time...Sushi-Y, you mentioned earlier, back before the thread split, something about Akira getting canceled earlier in Comptiq...could you explain what that you meant by that? :confused:

(beginining to feel invisible... :heh: )

I'll make an attempt at this, but my history with Lucky Star only stems back a few months and I don't buy Comptiq too often, so all this info below is just a guess at what happened ^^;

Yoshimizu Kagami (the manga-ka of the series) wrote and drew the mascot chara for Comptiq. Later he decided to write some several small strip which got some attention, then he decided to drive into Lucky Star.

As Lucky Star got popular, Comptiq asked Yoshimizu to come up with an advertising corner which he came up with the Lucky Channel and later Lucky Paradise which is headed by another character: Sakuraba-sensei (the biology teacher & Kagami's HR teacher - well, at least in her 3rd year). Lucky Paradise is also the production name for Lucky Star.

My guess is Paradise took over and the Channel was moved to the radio to promote. Paradise seems to have a much more of a narrow scope then the Channel as well. That's probably the decision of someone higher up in Kadokawa.

Ayu-ayu

2007-05-01, 14:20

I'll make an attempt at this, but my history with Lucky Star only stems back a few months and I don't buy Comptiq too often, so all this info below is just a guess at what happened ^^;

Yoshimizu Kagami (the manga-ka of the series) wrote and drew the mascot chara for Comptiq. Later he decided to write some several small strip which got some attention, then he decided to drive into Lucky Star.

As Lucky Star got popular, Comptiq asked Yoshimizu to come up with an advertising corner which he came up with the Lucky Channel and later Lucky Paradise which is headed by another character: Sakuraba-sensei (the biology teacher & Kagami's HR teacher - well, at least in her 3rd year). Lucky Paradise is also the production name for Lucky Star.

My guess is Paradise took over and the Channel was moved to the radio to promote. Paradise seems to have a much more of a narrow scope then the Channel as well. That's probably the decision of someone higher up in Kadokawa.

Naruhodo! Thanks so much for clearing that up more, I had a hunch it was one of those "corner"-type pieces. :)

Anh_Minh

2007-05-03, 10:33

I've heard Lucky Star changed directors. When did that happen? Why?

Klashikari

2007-05-03, 10:41

This is correct. there isn't any specific date, the news stated it was only from episode 5 to onwards.
The studio didn't explain the reason behind this.

i would suggest you to read the discussion in the general thread, here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=925207#post925207), there are plenty comments on this, which clear that matter.
(http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=925207#post925207)

Noppapana

2007-05-12, 17:19

after watching ep2
how many sisters does the hiiragi twins have ?

X207

2007-05-12, 22:46

hav any of you typed lucky star in youtube? wat might be "my lucky star", a japanese soap/sitcom?

Claies

2007-05-12, 22:55

after watching ep2
how many sisters does the hiiragi twins have ?

Two. One (oldest) helps the father on shrine duties, the other (2nd) goes to college, and then we have Kagami (3rd) and Tsukasa (youngest).

jaziek

2007-05-14, 12:41

Two. One (oldest) helps the father on shrine duties, the other (2nd) goes to college, and then we have Kagami (3rd) and Tsukasa (youngest).

since they are twins she cant be younger.. at least not significantly younger.

Although the characters do seem to have very different maturity levels.

Samatarou

2007-05-14, 12:49

With twins there is always a younger and an older sibling! If you ever get to know some twins IRL you will notice this. In Lucky Star, Tsukasa always calls Kagami "oneechan", and of course they do act like older and younger sister in terms of their personalities.

Vexx

2007-05-14, 13:18

Especially in Japan, birth order is important -- whichever twin pops out first is "older" for purposes of protocol.

jaziek

2007-05-14, 14:59

hehe... eloquent way of phrasing it..

ok i get it now then.

kenjiharima

2007-05-15, 12:32

When do you guys think the other girls will appear in the anime? Especially Minami. :heh:

Samatarou

2007-05-15, 15:18

What resolution is Lucky Star actually broadcast at? I was just looking at a 1280x720 raw and it looks like upsampled standard definition to me, to my eyes it seems a bit less detailed than EnA's 1024x576 release.

bayoab

2007-05-15, 16:33

vaizard_ruler

2007-05-16, 01:08

where do ppl find the LS pics at?

CrowKenobi

2007-05-16, 01:23

where do ppl find the LS pics at and where can i get LS RAW<im assuming its okay to ask of this?I've gotten some pics from Raki☆Suta~! (http://www.raki-suta.com/), and Maids! Maids! Maids! gets his from artist's sites and other places (he can be more specific than I can). :D

The raws I can't help you with, because that's against the rules. Sorry. :)

:cool:

Vexx

2007-05-16, 01:25

where do ppl find the LS pics at and where can i get LS RAW<im assuming its okay to ask of this?

You assume poorly .... seriously, read the forum rules and edit your post.

The pics are all over -- I've just concluded its easier to let Riker, CrowKenobi, and Maids do their magic :)

Hunter Nin.

2007-05-16, 01:50

In one of the episodes the twins are celebrating their 17th birthday, is this serious or some kind of subbing error? I guess it's probably right as they are in high school but I just couldn't believe when I heard it, it's probably the line that made me laugh the hardest so far as I assumed they were about 10.

Risaa

2007-05-16, 01:56

Here's a question - is anyone here other than myself interested in seeing more amateur L*S fanart (specifically from people on this board), or am I just getting my hopes up?

Vexx

2007-05-16, 02:01

<sigh> yes... its been established since the Dawn of Time that the girls are 17 in both the manga and the anime.... and the teacher and cousin-cop are in their 20s.
Just wait, in episode 6 you'll hear them discuss things that are exactly the kinds of things 17 yr old girls discuss when they think no one is listening.

Its a cartoon and a 4 panel comic strip; the girls are drawn in a caricature style.... like many other comics I can think of.

@Risaa: I always like seeing characters drawn in different styles but in such a way that you can still tell its them. Mimic art could just as well be traced :) --- there were some scans from a doujinshi a few days ago that were very nice (more realistic style of art).

Daniel E.

2007-05-16, 03:44

Cats

2007-05-16, 04:54

Consider you are allowed to have in your sig almost anything.
Basicly the rule of thumb seems to be that as long as it's anime and not real life it's 100% allowed.

Exeptions to this rule are only highly explicit hentai scenes..
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If they don't allow you to have that, then they should ban all the other over-etchii stuff. Just to be fair.

Pellissier

2007-05-16, 06:41

Question to the Mods:

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6929/lucky20star2020062020laay2.th.jpg (http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lucky20star2020062020laay2.jpg)

If I were to trace this pic, while cleaning the censored bits along the way, would I be allowed to post it here? (in wallpaper size, btw)
Yes, you are allowed to do so

The image itself is a bit ... "peculiar" ^^ , but not obscene. There are no problems because as a wallpaper, you're not going to put the image into a context (that would have been the only objection, to put the image into a context like say ... a retort). But that's not the case here, so go ahead. :)

Daniel E.

2007-05-16, 09:40

If they don't allow you to have that, then they should ban all the other over-etchii stuff. Just to be fair.

I think I actually remember a similar scene in an avatar someone was using around here a long time ago.

Yes, you are allowed to do so

The image itself is a bit ... "peculiar" ^^ , but not obscene. There are no problems because as a wallpaper, you're not going to put the image into a context (that would have been the only objection, to put the image into a context like say ... a retort). But that's not the case here, so go ahead. :)

That's good to hear, I have not guess-traced in a long while, it wouldn't hurt to try it out again. :p

Once I finish my current trace I may very well give this one a try. :D

PirateSkittles

2007-05-20, 12:52

I have a little question ^^;

I've only seen the anime, and I've never read the manga.

So, I was wondering, is the manga as random as the anime, or does it have some plot to it?

Risaa

2007-05-20, 15:15

PirateSkittles

2007-05-20, 21:26

I only have volume 4 and have only seen scanlations of the other volumes, but yeah, it's really random. It's made up of 4-panel comic strips, and you can't stick too much plot in those; think of a 4-panel comic you'd see in the newspaper - the "plot" is set up like those.
Ah, I see ^^

How many pages does a single volume contain, in average? Since they're only 4-panel comic strips, there should be a lot of random stuff in there. o.o;;

Vexx

2007-05-20, 22:39

Each volume is about 150 pages ... and yes, there's a Huge Amount of material (which is why I'm a bit ambivalent about the time Lucky*Channel subtracts from the main content :) ).

kenjiharima

2007-05-24, 12:51

I just wanna know when will the other characters appear. We need more loli girls LOL :heh: The more the merrier!!! ^__^

ClowKusanagi

2007-05-24, 13:11

I just wanna know when will the other characters appear. We need more loli girls LOL :heh: The more the merrier!!! ^__^

Oh, they will come... sooner or later :heh:

Just be patient :cool:

archanfels

2007-05-27, 09:50

Q: When exactly does LS air in Japan every week? Sunday morning?

Just want to know so I have an idea when to expect raw/subbed versions

JEEB

2007-05-27, 14:31

archanfels

2007-05-27, 16:35

archanfels, Chiba Terebi and some other channels AFAICR @ 2400-2430 on Sundays (0000-0030 on Mondays, that is). The time is JST, of course (GMT+9). You can check the current info here (http://www.lucky-ch.com/info/timeschedule.html).

So it airs at midnight? Odd time for an anime...(or is it? I'm not familiar with Japan TV schedules)

Anyways thanks a lot

JEEB

2007-05-27, 16:56

So it airs at midnight? Odd time for an anime...(or is it? I'm not familiar with Japan TV schedules)

Anyways thanks a lot
Actually in Japan only popular anime airs during daytime / prime time on the "usual" channels. Canvas 2 and many others (anime that gets more or less otaku'ish or is "not for everyone") are shown during night, that's why Konata is always watching tapes, not the actual translations (放送はTranslationだよね～まっ、いっかｗ).

Vexx

2007-05-27, 18:09

There's some legend that decades ago, the japanese commissioned a British research group to determine the best time to air anime..... They came back with UTC times that were misinterpreted as Japan local time.

Probably not true but somewhat amusingly Dilbert-like. ....

After midnight also allows them to be more adult and/or risque in their presentations of anime.

MakubeX2

2007-05-27, 18:15

Kyuusai

2007-05-27, 20:32

Most logical explanation will be that the prime time slots have been already been paid for by mainstream show that will be watched by the masses and thus generate lots of profit.

Anime, unless those sponsored and produce by big names, are generally meant for the niched markets. Those late night slots are ideal since they are cheap.

Quite right. There's another little fact that makes it more profitable than we might think (that I'm sure MakubeX2 knows): The target audience for most anime that ends up running late night/early morning is also the sort that's dedicated enough to either stay up or record it!

The majority of TV viewers are "casual" viewers, and while they might become rabid about a certain program, watch TV because it's a convenient way to waste time, and wouldn't watch if it took any extra effort. We watch programs because we are fans, and are willing to put in the effort (and money, and time, and... etc).

LadyMadChan

2007-05-28, 12:45

I've just discovered Lucky Star at Anime North! Even though I'm not really understanding and even picking up on all the references I'm still loving it. I've heard that the group WinD explains references, but I've also heard that AFK is the better group to go with (even though they don't really explain those). Is it possible for someone to create a thread where people can explain the references in each episode for people like me?

Vexx

2007-05-28, 17:03

I'll put in a cheer for EnA's fansubs... they just seem to strike a nice balance between "translating conservatively" and providing enough context so you understand most of the jokes.

We tried a "reference thread" I think... part of the problem is that many of the viewers see more references than there really are (mistaking parts of every day japanese life for significant references to some favorite anime or not realizing that the anime is simply adapting what is in the manga many times).

kenjiharima

2007-05-29, 15:45

Well this post should be on the thread request page, but I just wanna ask if ever all the Lucky Star characters are introduced will Shiraishi Minoru and Konata's Dad be added on the poll? Since their the only guys there that has the most air time and character development...though Minoru seems to be always been abused by Akira :heh:

Samatarou

2007-05-29, 17:51

Well this post should be on the thread request page, but I just wanna ask if ever all the Lucky Star characters are introduced will Shiraishi Minoru and Konata's Dad be added on the poll?
The current poll is only for the main characters. Another poll listing all characters will be made after all the characters have been introduced.

Noppapana

2007-05-30, 19:16

Q: is cousin yui the daughter of Konatas dad sister ?

X207

2007-06-04, 16:21

i have noticed a few times theres a chant that goes "aya aya....." wats that all about?

vaizard_ruler

2007-06-06, 01:53

Q: is cousin yui the daughter of Konatas dad sister ?
well i think shes related somehow but i dont recall ever hearing anything about Konata having an uncle or aunt(i could be mistaken and if i am please point it out)
i have noticed a few times theres a chant that goes "aya aya....." wats that all about?if youre talking about surprise type of thing its kinda normal,if youre talking about at a shrine idk,and if youre talking about something else please tell me what ep and the time in which they say it.

Crisu

2007-06-06, 04:37

i have noticed a few times theres a chant that goes "aya aya....." wats that all about?'if youre talking about surprise type of thing its kinda normal,if youre talking about at a shrine idk,and if youre talking about something else please tell me what ep and the time in which they say it.I think X207 is referring to the one background track with the chanting. More like "Aiiya ... aiiya ... ... aiiyaiiyaiiya."

I think it's just the music people being silly. But it's definitely one of my more favorite tracks. I want the Lucky Star OST now~~

vaizard_ruler

2007-06-06, 04:43

o~h that chant...i think its for when ,....yeah nvm i just forgot but yes needz moar music!

Vexx

2007-06-06, 11:59

If X207 is talking about the parody of japanese traditional festival type music.

I *think* they're actually chanting "Nya Nya" (kitty noises) but people with better hearing might dispute that.

The BGM comes from the same people who gave us the BGM from PPD ... which has some stellar musical parody in it. (PDQ Bach type riffs on movie and classical music).

Sian

2007-06-07, 14:19

have there been made an official full dance routine to the OP?

Pellissier

2007-06-11, 03:51

I have a question for the manga readers.

How much relevance do have the "side characters" in the manga? By side characters I mean those other than the main 4 that we have yet to see. Such as:

Iwasaki Minami
Patricia Martin
Kobayakawa Yukata
.
.
.
and other whose names I don't know

Do you think it is normal that they haven't appeared in the anime yet? Because I really feel they could add quite a bit to the substance of the show, at this point of time.

Vexx

2007-06-11, 09:54

Hmmm, its not that they're *side* characters but that they're introduced later in the series.... its more the case that the main 4 drop back a bit while the new ones are on stage and that the permutations of social nets increase.

I figured we'd see about 10 episodes of the '4 musketeers' and then we'd start seeing the others appear and watch the exploration of the net of friendships expand. I hate to note this but:

Miyuki takes a hit in appearances as the others move forward --- I suspect that the author just ran out of things to do with her and that may have driven the creation of the other characters - multiplying possibilities. Kona/Kagami/Tsukasa share the stage with the new ones as well and they obviously appear a bit less often but Miyuki definitely takes the bigger hit.

If we don't see some of the others by, say, ep 14 - then I'd guess KyoAni decided to focus on the 4 with just 1 ep appearances by the others. There is definitely enough material to be able to do that.

I'm ambivalent about either path ... it'd be nice to see the rest but diluting the anime's focus could be a problem.

Noppapana

2007-06-12, 18:52

which ep was it again that Kona-chan said her email was iluvgirlswithglasses ?

Mirificus

2007-06-12, 22:09

which ep was it again that Kona-chan said her email was iluvgirlswithglasses ?
It is in episode 7, when they're riding a bus.

kenjiharima

2007-06-13, 16:52

NeruNeru

2007-06-16, 14:01

Has anyone had any luck accessing the Lucky Channel radio show? I went to their website and tried to open the most recent stream in Winamp, Windows Media Player, and RealPlayer with no luck. I got a permissions error, so I'm wondering if it's because I'm in the US or something. Do Japanese radio shows usually have those kind of protections?

aorta

2007-06-16, 14:57

RealPlayer worked fine for me and I'm in the US. I'm using version 10.5 on WinXP with a DSL connection.

Akira talks really fast in episode 23.

Vexx

2007-06-17, 02:55

yeah, the Realplayer seems to work ... if you're using the latest WMP you may have just stepped in a pile of the "DRM of the future as a preview of Vista"

(I ahve the latest video driver yet WMP claims I need to update my video driver because of DRM concerns.... ) I wonder if it is "seeing" something it thinks is an intercept tool.... hmmmm

Noppapana

2007-06-18, 08:39

okay which ep was it again that kona-chan was playing a galgame and then yui came in, then kona-chan wondered if yui knew that the game is age restricted.

relentlessflame

2007-06-18, 09:27

okay which ep was it again that kona-chan was playing a galgame and then yui came in, then kona-chan wondered if yui knew that the game is age restricted.Around 2:45 or so in episode 10.

kenjiharima

2007-06-22, 14:35

Just one question...Do you think Izumi-jiji and Nanako make a good pair? Since Kanata is dead (*sobs* and hopes for flashback episodes) do you think in the future eps they MIGHT just get together...That's just in my mind lurking since Izumi-jiji and Nanako-sensie are the only adults that are single.

Risaa

2007-06-22, 14:41

My, how awkward it'd be for Kona. :p

That'd be really interesting to watch, but I highly doubt it'll happen...

Claies

2007-06-22, 14:43

Cue in Manabi Straight. XD

What's funnier is if Kona and Nanako start playing their MMO under the same roof.

Anh_Minh

2007-06-22, 14:58

I don't think it'll happen. For one thing, even Konata says she doesn't know what her mother ever saw in her dad.

For another, that guy seems the (stereo)type to never remarry. Like Angel Heart's Ryo Saeba, while he may appear to be unable of doing anything but playing around, he has a daughter that won't let him forget his wife.
Though I suppose it may change if Konata leaves the nest.

CrowKenobi

2007-06-22, 16:31

But, you've also got to take into consideration his "hobby." :uhoh:

At the risk of sounding cliché, Nanako is too much of a woman for him. :heh: :p

:cool:

kenjiharima

2007-06-22, 16:43

Nanako looks fine with good ol' Izumi-jiji imho...but I wanna take into consideration Kona-chan's feelings...though I dunno how will dad react to Nanako if she ever comes for a home visit.

Anh_Minh

2007-06-22, 16:48

But, you've also got to take into consideration his "hobby." :uhoh:

At the risk of sounding cliché, Nanako is too much of a woman for him. :heh: :p

:cool:

Just because he has a high school girl fetish doesn't mean he can't have other fetishes. Do we know if Nanako cosplays?

Skane

2007-06-22, 18:02

If Nanako and Izumi-san ever hook up, Izumi-san will be one henpecked husband. :heh:

Cheers.

shiro83

2007-06-24, 09:40

I have seen and heard a few occasions where the Lucky Star gang is talking about something that stinks... :eyebrow:

Does anyone know what they are talking about? :confused:

Vexx

2007-06-24, 12:39

Its a .... running gag.

The scene will always cut in at the last part of their conversation, leaving the viewer to forever speculate about what they are discussing.

@Skane: but I suspect it'll be hen-pecked in a good way (the end of the day makes it worthwhile). What will be funny is the images that Kona will have to bleach her brain over as she imagines the happy couple. :D

X207

2007-06-25, 00:22

i heard from another user on a different forum site that lucky star may be licenced within a week. anyone else hear about this??

bayoab

2007-06-25, 02:50

i heard from another user on a different forum site that lucky star may be licenced within a week. anyone else hear about this??

It's just speculation for AX and in this case, it's nothing more than random guessing.

Vexx

2007-06-25, 03:38

Unless "user" has a reference citation, its just idiot-talk.

Nonetheless, I think it'd be very odd if L*S isn't licensed rather quickly after the series ends (just because its on a KyoAni licensing roll.... not because I think it'd be ultra popular here).

After the Death Note "wait til a couple of episodes before the end and then HULK_SMASH" .... I'd be pretty pissed if the samething happened with L*S. What is odd is I've not heard squat about anyone licensing the manga.

Note to industry spies: I *WILL* buy the gawddamm DVDs, eh? Please don't screw with my preview.

X207

2007-06-25, 08:25

so when are anime typically licensed? ie how many episodes in b4 seriers finishes current season

bayoab

2007-06-25, 12:46

so when are anime typically licensed? ie how many episodes in b4 seriers finishes current season

There is no typical when. It can be announced at any time. Some are announced before, some are announced during airing, some are announced after airing. Statistically, the majority of the licenses are announced after for series with fewer than 26 episodes. However, the licenses are probably picked up during the airing.

X207

2007-06-25, 12:54

There is no typical when. It can be announced at any time. Some are announced before, some are announced during airing, some are announced after airing. Statistically, the majority of the licenses are announced after for series with fewer than 26 episodes. However, the licenses are probably picked up during the airing.

ty, i guess we'll know when they announce it

Claies

2007-06-25, 13:50

Vexx

2007-06-25, 14:01

You should smack them for playing Magic .... meh, they should be playing a tabletop RPG at least.

I'm finding a fair portion of people who say "they like anime" are in the same boat with people who say "they like science fiction" ... they really don't have a clue about the genre and they lose their focus if there aren't "tits and explosions".

My recommendation: avoid those people if possible, life is too short.

kenjiharima

2007-06-25, 16:43

Is it true that in the character relationship chart Yutaka is Yui's younger sister? Who is Konata talking about?

robertness

2007-06-25, 20:16

I suspect that a license for L*S will be announced pretty soon. DVD distribution allows decent profits even for series that appeal to niches within the anime niche market. Furthermore, Kadokawa had English language promotional materials for L*S in time for the big conventions/trade shows when the series first aired. (I know because I saw a flier on asuki. :P )

Claies

2007-06-25, 20:41

Well...if they're licensing it, they better do a good job at it. That means lengthy cultural documentation over Americanization. If they in any way try to force Lucky*Star to be appropriate for American audiences, whichever firm that takes it will lose whatever little respect I have left for them.

AVPlaya

2007-06-25, 20:49

bayoab

2007-06-25, 21:30

As I'm probably getting R2 DVDs R1's not as important... I think this is a series which they can save money on by just do subtitles and sell DVDs with goodies. There's zero mainstream appeal and all the fans need are subs anyway. They'll save a lot of money not getting it dubbed and increase the chance it'll be released in the West.
If I didn't know better, I'd say you are working for BVUSA with that kind of logic (which has basically murdered their sales). Those who do not understand the R1 are doomed to burn money in it.

I'd bet Kadokawa will eventually bring this over. I don't think that time is now though.

X207

2007-06-25, 22:29

Lucky Star as an anime will probably fall flat in America, given how many uh...shall we say...mainstream people tolerated the first few episodes at the onset. The downside to Lucky Star is that while it's intensely funny to people who get the references, it's pretty bland to those who don't.

It's probably just the composition of people in my high school's anime club, but the show was not well-appreciated in there. In fact, a third of the people simply turned away to play Magic. I wanted to smack them. :heh:

in canadian and i dont really understand the refernces unless theyre pointed out in subs, i still find them funny given the context even though im not familiar to the anime they reference to. i dont think LS will be a hit either in north america, it seems not too many ppl are for anime that seems to be random in plot which would make it hard for most to follow.

Crisu

2007-06-26, 03:31

I don't think L*S will get licensed .. at least not this quickly. References aside, it seems just too random.

Did the domestic release of Paniponi Dash come with references packaged with the DVDs? I believe everything written on the chalkboard is at least translated, so it's up to the viewer to catch any references. But even if you ignored all that, the series itself was fairly linear enough to follow. Each episode had a plot or conflict that was eventually settled.

Lucky Star isn't really much like that. Are there other Slice of Life series that have been licensed? L*S has no driving plot; you're just following these four girls through their Japanese lives, plus a load of cultural references and 4-koma-like non-linearity that would probably alienate the general Western viewer. And on first impressions, people might view the animation as "child-like" and think it a children's series, which is even worse for the market.

I think Lucky Star has a smaller niche market than Haruhi, too..

Risaa

2007-06-26, 03:44

Are there other Slice of Life series that have been licensed?
ARIA and Azumanga Daioh, just off the top of my head. :)

Vexx

2007-06-26, 03:55

Ichigo Masimaro (Strawberry Marshmallow) is pure slice of life, quite licensed.

Kamichu! could be considered slice of life with a splash of Shinto.
Licensed.

kenjiharima

2007-06-26, 07:29

Maybe in the DVD licensed version will show special features of the anime parodies and references so other viewers would appreciate it or will have a brief background of what the girls are talking about. Other things that might make it popular when licensed is that you cannot resist kawaii characters. :D

Vexx

2007-06-26, 12:23

If you look at what was done with PaniPoniDash's Region 1 release with the layered subtitle and footnotes that you can turn off or on. L*S is a piece of cake relatively. L*S is not a *shallow* show in terms of references but it isn't any deeper than, say, Animaniacs or PaniPoniDash.

I can probably point out a 100 references in any given Animaniacs skit. Whole episodes can fill several pages of reference notes. Yet people manage to enjoy the show without knowing many of them.

robertness

2007-06-26, 21:05

@Vexx: Funny you mention Animaniacs in this regard. I find that L*S is layered much like the classic Looney Tunes. I would guess that the majority of L*S's audience are in their teens and early twenties. Most of the "old school" anime, Jpop, and dorama refernces are before their time. Yet the writers succeed in working them into the script in an amusing way, much like the Looney Tunes writers worked in sophisticated humor while still engaging kids.

If you don't get every cultural reference (and I miss most of them), the show is still very amusing. Konata's Timotei bit is a great example. The humor pretty well explains itself, but if you happen to have been culturally aware when the Timotei Shampoo ads were running, it's doubly amusing.

I guess the point of this long and dreary post is extensive liner notes in a Region 1 release would be nice, but they're not mandatory. I think L*S would still appeal to an American anime audience based on character, art, and story.

Vexx

2007-06-26, 21:42

Agreed. In the Timotei case, I'd never heard of the stuff but it was instantly obviously she was mimicking some shampoo commercial and the remarks from the others made it clear it was from quite a while ago. We also got a clue that her cousin used to have longer hair perhaps. Of course, there's those more recent orgasmic shampoo commercials that seem directly linked by ancestral marketing DNA. That would have made that joke QUITE different (and killed thousands of otaku in a single moment listening to Kona/Aya orgaz out :) ).

Yeah on Looneytoons. The classic example is a cartoon where Yosemite Sam is beating on a door yelling "Open the door!!!" .... then turns to the audience and says, "You notice I didn't say Richard?"

It had younger folks stumped for ages til some oldster pointed out a popular song of the time: "Open the Door, Richard!" And of course, Foghorn was based off of a fictional character from radio/vaudeville (Senator Cleghorn) who was based off of a southern politician known for his pomposity.
And on and on.. yet people still find Looneytoons quite funny.

Monty Python, of course, cannot be appreciated without complete knowledge of the british political. class stereotypes, and economic systems and players from the early 70s....not :)

X207

2007-06-26, 22:14

its especially funny when you get the references, i lol'd hard at the initial d scenes. understanding the references is optional imo, but they are self explanatory usually

Crisu

2007-06-27, 00:46

Are there L*S sub releases that are soft-sub? (i.e. I can turn the subtitles off in the media player and have a raw as a result)

shiro83

2007-06-28, 09:06

I have seen and heard a few occasions where the Lucky Star gang is talking about something that stinks... :eyebrow:

Does anyone know what they are talking about? :confused:

I found out the answer to my own question... :p

In episode 11 (8:38 to be exact), Tsukasa is talking to Kagami that Sebastian stinks. :D

Sebastian = Shiraishi Minoru (episode 10 16:57)

Claies

2007-06-28, 09:35

Are there L*S sub releases that are soft-sub? (i.e. I can turn the subtitles off in the media player and have a raw as a result)

EDIT: Incorrect information. JEEB softsubs.

Crisu

2007-06-28, 11:49

Eien-no-Anime. Pretty high quality stuff, too.
http://a.scarywater.net/ena

Are you sure? I've been downloading around since my post and found that JEEB does softsub (they advertise as so), but you;re right: EnA's .mkv release is in higher resolution. However I can't find the usual option to turn off subs in EnA's version.

I generally find the option via DirectVobSub. Is there another way?

chc

2007-06-28, 13:15

Are you sure? I've been downloading around since my post and found that JEEB does softsub (they advertise as so), but you;re right: EnA's .mkv release is in higher resolution. However I can't find the usual option to turn off subs in EnA's version.

I generally find the option via DirectVobSub. Is there another way?
They're hard-subbed. I wonder if Claies made the common mistake of assuming anything .MKV is softsubbed. :rolleyes:

A peek inside the mkv's reveals:
- video avc/h.264
- audio mpeg/Layer3
no subtitles

(I leeched and checked their first and latest (ep11) release only.)

Claies

2007-06-28, 13:34

They're hard-subbed. I wonder if Claies made the common mistake of assuming anything .MKV is softsubbed. :rolleyes:

A peek inside the mkv's reveals:
- video avc/h.264
- audio mpeg/Layer3
no subtitles

(I leeched and checked their first and latest (ep11) release only.)

I screwed up. I haven't watched EnA's work for a while...

X207

2007-06-28, 21:08

wat about afk? i usually direct download the subs, no torrents.

Crisu

2007-06-29, 13:46

X207

2007-06-29, 21:24

a.f.k. has been releasing only .avi's (XviD) right?

I believe all .avi's are hard-sub .. because .avi doesn't support .. all those .. uh.. multi-layer type things. It's just .. well.. Audio and Video Interleaved together.

(I may be completely wrong...)

that is correct, i hav 2 by lucky channel- mkv wich i beleive are soft sub?

wats haali media splitter and also wats directvobsub? they show up when i play the mkv files

Vexx

2007-06-29, 23:03

You'd probably have better luck asking those questions in the Playback or Tech Support forums.

Goron

2007-06-30, 06:00

I have a few questions

Q: In episode 10(?) Konata and kagami was playing videogames , konata said lets take a break. And then it was some kinda commercial that said "this is it " and konata made a strange comment i dont really know what it means but kagami seemed to be bothered by it , something about 2ch ? whats that ?

Q: I think it was in episode 3 , it was the twins birthday and they where eating cake. Suddenly Konata acts strange and stares at kagami. I guess this is some reference from another anime but im too lazy to look through the list and i really dont know what i am looking for. could someone please explain that ?

Q: Episode 11 ! Konata talks about her cousin thats physically weak, that leads in to a discussion about weak physically people have a bad soul ? What about paralyzed or disabled people ? are they evil just beacuse of their sickness, or did i misunderstand the whole thing.

And then i was thinking about that smell thing that they do in almost every ep. Like Vexx said its a running gag, is there any other jokes like this that continues through the series?

Sry for all the qs but im a bit nooby on these boards ^_^

Claies

2007-06-30, 08:57

Q: In episode 10(?) Konata and kagami was playing videogames , konata said lets take a break. And then it was some kinda commercial that said "this is it " and konata made a strange comment i dont really know what it means but kagami seemed to be bothered by it , something about 2ch ? whats that ?
2ch (2channel) is Japan's largest internet bulletin board, with more than 600 active sections, spawning memes almost monthly over the internet and real life mass media. When Konata flipped the channel, the man in the TV yelled "Kitaaaaa-----" (ｷﾀ━━━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━━ !!!!!), which is 2ch-leet-speak for "It came!!!". It's pretty much a huge exclamation mark, like "OMG!".

Q: I think it was in episode 3 , it was the twins birthday and they where eating cake. Suddenly Konata acts strange and stares at kagami. I guess this is some reference from another anime but im too lazy to look through the list and i really dont know what i am looking for. could someone please explain that ?
It was Crayon Shin-chan. Personally, I don't see what "charm" Konata saw in Kagami, but the accent she pretended with resembled Shin-chan's.

Q: Episode 11 ! Konata talks about her cousin thats physically weak, that leads in to a discussion about weak physically people have a bad soul ? What about paralyzed or disabled people ? are they evil just beacuse of their sickness, or did i misunderstand the whole thing.
I'll let someone else answer...I'm not sure.

And then i was thinking about that smell thing that they do in almost every ep. Like Vexx said its a running gag, is there any other jokes like this that continues through the series?
The way this is going, Miyuki's long knowledge rants may enter running gag territory. The girls also adopted calling Shirashi "Sebastian" in the show after Konata started it in her rage of Maria-sama and schoolgirl yuri. It eventually spread to Lucky Channel where Akira mocks him with it.

Goron

2007-06-30, 09:59

Vexx

2007-06-30, 11:37

Samatarou

2007-06-30, 11:55

I don't think L*S will get licensed .. at least not this quickly. References aside, it seems just too random.
...
Are there other Slice of Life series that have been licensed?

To Heart got licenced (eventually, it took 5 years plus another 3 before the first DVD came out!), though I was kind of surprised it was licenced at all and the reviews are, as expected, rather cool.

Like Lucky Star, To Heart was very popular in Japan (as evidenced by all the To Heart skits in Lucky Star) but wasn't the sort of story likely to appeal to the average US anime viewer because "nothing happens" (to quote a prototypical reviews). This is also true of Lucky Star, which is further handicapped by the fact that the cultural references are too obscure, and unlike To Heart episodes (which do actually have a coherent storyline), Lucky Star ones are a bunch of little sketches which rely on puns more than plot.

Normally then I would tend to agree with those who say Lucky Star is unlikely to be licenced. However the fact that AIR got licenced means all bets are off, there really are crazy licensors out there who will buy something just because it's good rather than because their target audience would actually buy it.

Claies

2007-06-30, 19:00

haha wow thanks for the reply ^^ I like how "Sebastian " is being mocked by the others , but i think the lucky channel has dropped a little bit in quality.

And shin-chan ? From witch anime ? I havent seen it myself so i would like to know

Crayon Shin-chan. It's a kid's anime with, controversially, pretty risque content at times. Even my parents told me not to watch it when I was little, despite it being in a morning slot.

Hazelshock

2007-06-30, 22:51

What is Lucky Star REALLY about I'm looking for a new anime series to watch atm and i kinda wanna know the plot before getting into anything

Risaa

2007-06-30, 23:01

You'd find more in the General Discussion thread, but L*S is about a few girls. And their hobbies.

That's all. :)

Vexx

2007-06-30, 23:28

The daily lives of a few girls who are somewhat quirky.. okay, very quirky.

WanderingKnight

2007-06-30, 23:33

This is also true of Lucky Star, which is further handicapped by the fact that the cultural references are too obscurePani Poni Dash, which should be officially considered the biggest Pain in the Referential Ass of the history of anime, also made it to the US ;)

X207

2007-07-01, 15:19

To Heart got licenced (eventually, it took 5 years plus another 3 before the first DVD came out!), though I was kind of surprised it was licenced at all and the reviews are, as expected, rather cool.

Like Lucky Star, To Heart was very popular in Japan (as evidenced by all the To Heart skits in Lucky Star) but wasn't the sort of story likely to appeal to the average US anime viewer because "nothing happens" (to quote a prototypical reviews). This is also true of Lucky Star, which is further handicapped by the fact that the cultural references are too obscure, and unlike To Heart episodes (which do actually have a coherent storyline), Lucky Star ones are a bunch of little sketches which rely on puns more than plot.

Normally then I would tend to agree with those who say Lucky Star is unlikely to be licenced. However the fact that AIR got licenced means all bets are off, there really are crazy licensors out there who will buy something just because it's good rather than because their target audience would actually buy it.

i hav a question about to heart, i looked on daily motion, found french subs. does to heart have a creepy girl into black magic (kurusugawa). im confused it said to heart 01, a girl named konomi is running to the roof and 2 of her friends join her (yochhi and charu) after a school year ends. a guy friend ends up staying over for dinner at the end ep title "new uniform"

then supposedly another 1st ep has starts off with a girl (pink haired girl) crying in the rain named akari with a friend (hiroyuki) in the rain because she dropped her books and ppl r laughing at her. i beleive this is the one with the black magic girl

yes i know this might be off topic, but did i just happen to watch 2 different anime with nearly the same title names becasue the main characters seem to be different between both the ep 1s??

relentlessflame

2007-07-01, 15:27

i hav a question about to heart, i looked on daily motion, found french subs. does to heart have a creepy girl into black magic (kurusugawa). im confused it said to heart 01, a girl named konomi is running to the roof and 2 of her friends join her (yochhi and charu) after a school year ends. a guy friend ends up staying over for dinner at the end

then supposedly another 1st ep has starts off with a girl (pink haired girl) crying in the rain named akira with a frein in the rain because she dropped her books and ppl r laughing at her. i beleive this is the one with the black magic girl

yes i know this might be off topic ut did i just happen to watch 2 different anime with nearly the same title names??Well, it certainly is off-topic, but yes, there are three different ToHeart anime series. The original ToHeart (the one with Kurusugawa; this one's being released on DVD in North America right now), ToHeart ~Remember My Memories~ (sequel to the first one, same cast), and ToHeart 2 (the one with Konomi -- it has a different cast than the first two). So yeah, your confusion is understandable. :heh: The art and animation in all three look very different, so you should be able to tell them apart upon closer inspection.

X207

2007-07-01, 15:38

Well, it certainly is off-topic, but yes, there are three different ToHeart anime series. The original ToHeart (the one with Kurusugawa; this one's being released on DVD in North America right now), ToHeart ~Remember My Memories~ (sequel to the first one, same cast), and ToHeart 2 (the one with Konomi -- it has a different cast than the first two). So yeah, your confusion is understandable. :heh: The art and animation in all three look very different, so you should be able to tell them apart upon closer inspection.

ah thanks for clearing that up, the original seems interesting, think i'll watch it. i'll refrain from other to heart questions so i dont stray off topic again.

Samatarou

2007-07-01, 20:56

ah thanks for clearing that up, the original seems interesting, think i'll watch it. i'll refrain from other to heart questions so i dont stray off topic again.

There's a thread here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=423) for discussing the original To Heart series, I can answer questions there if you have any more. (There are also separate discussion threads for the other two series in the "fansubbed" section.) But to add to what relentlessflame said, the girl Akari crying in the rain is indeed the start of the original series which also features the mysterious black magic girl, Serika Kurusugawa. (Akari and Serika are two of my favourite anime characters ^_^.) (Note: To Heart is almost shoujo in style, whereas To Heart2 is ecchi.)

X207

2007-07-01, 22:43

There's a thread here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=423) for discussing the original To Heart series, I can answer questions there if you have any more. (There are also separate discussion threads for the other two series in the "fansubbed" section.) But to add to what relentlessflame said, the girl Akari crying in the rain is indeed the start of the original series which also features the mysterious black magic girl, Serika Kurusugawa. (Akari and Serika are two of my favourite anime characters ^_^.) (Note: To Heart is almost shoujo in style, whereas To Heart2 is ecchi.)

ty for pointing me toward those to heart forums, already starting season 2. i gotta say the animation looks so much better.

now on topic, ive asked this question b4 but got no reply, in lucky star you sometimes hear a chant repeating the phrase aya aya ... wats that about?

Claies

2007-07-01, 22:58

ty for pointing me toward those to heart forums, already starting season 2. i gotta say the animation looks so much better.

now on topic, ive asked this question b4 but got no reply, in lucky star you sometimes hear a chant repeating the phrase aya aya ... wats that about?

A zany remix of Konata's theme. Nothing special.

AVPlaya

2007-07-01, 23:07

About the "physically weak" thing.... some buddhists think that being physically weak or disabled is karmic payback for badness done in a previous life. As such a person in this life, you're goal is to deal and manage with the weakness, thus purifying your soul and leveling up for the next life.
Naturally, that's a short step from thinking badly of people who might be "cut out of the herd and eaten by tigers because they're sickly".

I don't really that's what Konata's talking about. Connection between strong body and mind/morale is a traditional Chinese martial arts idea. In fact that's why many people practice martial arts in ancient times; not to learn to use force but to purify their spirits and moral. This is especially important to the Samurai class, thus every boy of the high birth will be taught martial arts like Kendo or Karate in order to live up to the Confucius' high moral standard, reguardless if they will ever be in battle in the future. From this Chinese thought comes with the idea that if you are physically weak you are prone to bad morals.

Yes there is a Buddhist idea that ALL bad things in current life is result of karma, not just being physically weak. Negative Karma is present in every part of human existence and purifying karma is part of Buddhist practice. But to deem someone as weak physically equals to being weak morally is not a Buddhist practice or thought. In fact, separation of physical from the mental is one of the end goals; a person's mind has nothing to do with their body. Many, many accomplished Buddhist masters are seemingly frail persons, but mighty in spirituality. Discriminate against someone based on physical appearance or capabilities is just about the most un-buddist thing you can do.

Anyhoo everyday Japanese knows every little about actual Buddhism; doubt much of it will show up in Lucky Star.

Vexx

2007-07-02, 01:51

iamandragon

2007-07-02, 07:11

Hi, can anyone tell me where can I find the FMP doujin Kagami was reading in episode 12?

Goron

2007-07-02, 09:50

I think Vexx´s right :)

AVPlaya

2007-07-02, 14:14

I didn't mean to say that the belief was buddhist .... only that its a short (but incorrect) step from the karma concept to thinking poorly of such people. I may have been less than clear there.
Mean-spirited individuals can take any religion and twist it to rationalize nasty behavior. I follow buddhist philosophy but I'm also aware that a lot of people who call themselves buddhists are very fuzzy on the basic concepts (just like any other belief system).

Yeah I know those people very well... I'm a practicing Buddhist. I don't think most Japanese are really Buddhist though.. they just believe in many of the concepts like Karma and would pay respect Buddhist deities. It's similar to how many Chinese are more Taoist than Buddhist, even though in ever Taoist temple you'll find a bodhisattva there too. Many aspect of Buddhism has been ingrained into the native religions in East Asia, and people get confused all the time.

Well... if Kona isn't referring to those concepts then what do you think she's talking about?

I believe she is referring to the concept of "weak body leads to weak morals", but all I'm saying is that the basis for that belief lies solidly in classical Chinese philosophical systems, not Buddhism or the Karmic system, that is all. :) It's the primary reason for practicing martial arts for many people in East and West, and Kona's simply stating her basic belief as a practitioner. In many classical Chinese stories, a weak-bodied person or a person born with illness are often portrayed as being weak in their will-power. Not necessarily evil, but they are not someone you'd root for as the hero.

I have to admit, it's an awfully obscure reference even in an anime. I really have to give them props in finding a joke in something like this.

Vexx

2007-07-02, 14:33

Ah... I get what you're saying now.

vaizard_ruler

2007-07-02, 23:37

What's up with Old Skol(the comic book guy)? The art style and stuff on how he's drawn and other things about him?

kenjiharima

2007-07-03, 09:51

Is this true? A friend of mine siad Minoru Toped the LS character poll voting.

1. Minoru Shiraishi
2. Akira Kogami
3. Kagami Hiiragi
4. Izumi Konata
5. Hiiragi Tsukasa
6. Iwasaki Minami
7. Misao Kusakabe
8. Miyuki Takara
9. Izumi Kanata
10. Yutaka Kobayakawa

Risaa

2007-07-03, 09:52

Well... where was the poll taken??

kenjiharima

2007-07-03, 10:43

he said it's from the Japan site...but I don't see no poll on the site...he must be pulling my leg or something. I need to find out if this is true or not.

Vallen Chaos Valiant

2007-07-03, 10:54

he said it's from the Japan site...but I don't see no poll on the site...he must be pulling my leg or something. I need to find out if this is true or not.

The poll was displayed at the bottom of the screen, scrolling across like election results, during Lucky Channel. Was it serious? Or a joke from KyoAni? Who know.:heh:

bayoab

2007-07-03, 16:21

The poll really exists (or existed). Of course, there is also a campaign to make Shirashi Minoru #1.

Vexx

2007-07-03, 16:30

Its certainly funny and it'll drive Akira-chan insane... o wait.... she already *IS*...

Claies

2007-07-03, 16:36

What's funnier is Akira and Minoru both obviously had campaigns to elevate themselves to #1, and the host lost in that regard despite being the most loud-mouthed. That and Kanata actually landed in #9.

Anh_Minh

2007-07-03, 16:37

Was that a real poll? Akira did say that Sebastian definitely wouldn't be #1 in the character poll... Makes me suspicious.

And I can't believe they'd come ahead of Konata.

AVPlaya

2007-07-04, 20:46

Okay guys, there was a real poll, annouced by Akira a while back.

Here's the page where you could have voted:

http://www.lucky-ch.com/contest/index.html

The result is out, and it was displayed during the airing of Lucky Channel #13. When the fansub's out y'all can check it out.

Yes Shiraishi won. Yes Akira-sama isn't too happy, even though she's 2nd. Just watch and you'll find out.

vaizard_ruler

2007-07-04, 22:39

hmm...so itll be out on the subs?

Vexx

2007-07-04, 23:33

If by that you mean to ask if they'll discuss the results on Lucky*Channel... then yes. The Lucky*Channel and ED on ep 13 are quite funny (for a change).

HollowSide

2007-07-08, 01:53

haha that was funny when Akira stormed off when she found out Shirashi was top.

kenjiharima

2007-07-12, 10:04

Anyone noticed that Kagami and Tsukasa's elder sister with the purple hair looks like Nagato Yuki? O_o;;; And most of the time her mouth or face is covered.

Claies

2007-07-12, 11:02

Anyone noticed that Kagami and Tsukasa's elder sister with the purple hair looks like Nagato Yuki? O_o;;; And most of the time her mouth or face is covered.

I doubt it's KyoAni's fault, since the manga would have introduced that sister.

I think.

kenjiharima

2007-07-12, 11:40

Another Question to keep this thread burning.

Do you think sensie-Nanako is THE SAME NANAKON-sensie that Konata (konakona) on the online game she plays?

I presume it's ragnarok online since konata said on valentines day she'll give chocolates to her bride and the only OL game I've played that has that kind of event is R.O.

Risaa

2007-07-12, 11:55

If I understand your question correctly, yes, Nanako-sensei is Nanakon, which is why Kona would complain that Nanako is talking about RL subjects in the game (how would anyone else know Kona had homework).

The game could be RO, but it could also be one of the other million MMOs Japan has. I really wouldn't be surprised if there were other games that allowed users to give choco to spouses, and RO seems (to me) to be a little cutesy for Kona's taste... but we never know ne.

Vexx

2007-07-12, 14:27

Anyone noticed that Kagami and Tsukasa's elder sister with the purple hair looks like Nagato Yuki? O_o;;; And most of the time her mouth or face is covered.

No... that's the way she's drawn in the comic. Its more like both Nagato and her come from a similar visual meme.

Now, the character Minami is going to get pelted with "Nagato ripoff" insults from the "we've never seen the manga and have no clue about the chronology of different properties" crowd.

Personality-wise and height -- she's somewhat like Sakaki from AzuDa, but in build (she's waifish), looks, and speaking style she's more like the archetype Nagato derives from.

This constant referencing to Haruhi is starting to get on my nerves and I *like* SHnY. It is not the source of all ideas. Its more like an archetype subversion of many existing ideas. Great stuff but "nothing new under the sun" really applies.

And yes, game character Nanakon is Nanako-sensei, otherwise all their conversations would make no sense. O.o The game they play seems to be some amalgam of several games. Its intentionally not any particular game so lawyers don't get antsy.

Claies

2007-07-12, 16:33

This constant referencing to Haruhi is starting to get on my nerves and I *like* SHnY. It is not the source of all ideas. Its more like an archetype subversion of many existing ideas. Great stuff but "nothing new under the sun" really applies.

WAIT LOL U MEAN U DIDNT NO THAT MIYUKI'S LIKE MIKURU LOL?

Oh.

And yes, game character Nanakon is Nanako-sensei, otherwise all their conversations would make no sense. O.o The game they play seems to be some amalgam of several games. Its intentionally not any particular game so lawyers don't get antsy.

Funny how games portrayed in such places tend to feel like something I'd really want to play (see Megatokyo).

Maveric

2007-07-12, 19:31

Funny how games portrayed in such places tend to feel like something I'd really want to play (see Megatokyo).

You mean you want to play "Harvest Moon: Dust Bowl" where you can poison all your animals, even your little dog?

nanafan

2007-07-12, 21:31

Q. why does konata's dad wear traditional japanese clothes? don't know if anyone can answer it...sorry if it's hard but was wondering about it.

Vexx

2007-07-12, 21:52

A: why not? They're comfortable. He works out of the home for a living (scripts, translating, etc) and they live in a traditional home. He just likes it. He's portrayed that way in the comic. Actually, my wife and I tend to dress in yukata around the house, especially when its hot.

From a story writing standpoint, it provides an interesting spectrum
Kona ................ Kagami/Tsukasa ................... Miyuki
Medium income ........Upper Middle ...................Upper crust
traditional .............mix of tradition and new ......... Western (at least in town)
high tech hobbies ...... mix of activities ................ low tech activities
traditional dress .......... mix of dress ................ western dress (at least in town)

Actually, traditional clothing, living, and eating are making a comeback in Japan, especially amongst younger people.
Fads and cycles.... wheeeeee

Claies

2007-07-12, 22:16

You mean you want to play "Harvest Moon: Dust Bowl" where you can poison all your animals, even your little dog?

Sure, why not? More open-ended gameplay.

I was actually referring to that FPS. And Endgames. I think I'll love playing that.

nanafan

2007-07-12, 22:20

i always thought it would be fun to wear a yukata and kimono...they are always so pretty...

Risaa

2007-07-12, 22:25

Off topic, but...

I like my yukata, but it's a pain putting on the obi - so much so that I usually won't wear my yukata unless there's a special event coming up (whoa, that reminds me I need to sort and upload SF Sakura Matsuri pics). It's hard for me to tie it on by myself! :( The yukata really is nice and light to wear, just like a really light pair of jammies... I can definitely see why Izumi-chichi would wear one all day.

nanafan

2007-07-12, 22:35

i don't have a yukata or a kimono...would love one though...:(

kenjiharima

2007-07-13, 08:00

AH!! If Nanako-sensie likes being OL games all the time and Konata does too and Izumi-jiji works with his laptop as a translator, writter...etc, then just maybe it'll work.

Here I go again Izumi-jiji x Nanako :p

PirateSkittles

2007-07-22, 00:01

I have a question ^^; In the spoiler tag, for those who haven't watched episode 15 yet.

When Minoru announced that Akira's concert would be next episode, was that true or was it an April Fool's lie? xP Akira would kill him if it was a lie.

Just curious.

Ah, also. Why does Yutaka call Konata her "Big Sister" when she's her cousin? Is it a translation error, or is it a figure of speech?

relentlessflame

2007-07-22, 00:50

When Minoru announced that Akira's concert would be next episode, was that true or was it an April Fool's lie? xP Akira would kill him if it was a lie.My first guess was that it might have been an April Fool's joke from the producers (when they gave him the "green light" to tell her), but time will tell... And you're right -- if it was a joke, she will not be pleased... :heh:Ah, also. Why does Yutaka call Konata her "Big Sister" when she's her cousin? Is it a translation error, or is it a figure of speech?It's more like a figure of speech, and is pretty common. There are actually a good number of situations where it's normal to call someone "onii-chan" or "onee-chan" (among many variants), despite not being actual siblings. So, yes, the translation is correct.

Risaa

2007-07-22, 01:04

AVPlaya

2007-07-22, 01:46

It's also normal in certain situations even if there is *no* blood relationship between the two talking (not cousins or anything). This is the same in Korean as well... It's kind of funny if you watch a drama with literally-translated subs.

"Brother... are you in love with me?"
"I've loved you since I met you."
[*passionate make-out session*]
"Oh, Brother! My mother would never approve!"
etc. etc. etc. :p

Oh I see Rissa-chan's into Korean dorama as well... Koreans REALLY use the word big brother a lot in relationships... pretty unique actually (yes I watch them with my wife..).

As for Japanese, calling older female nee-san is quite normal, even without blood relationships. Once you are in the "in" group (friends, co-workers, classmates, etc), you are allowed to call any older female in the group nee-san and older male nii-san if you're female. Boys follows a bit different rule. It's a term of endearment and not reserved at all for blood-relations. It's kinda like how Blacks call other blacks "brother", but in this case age difference and actual close relationship is necessary. The women they start calling nee-san actually start acting like a sister to the person, just like what Kona-chan did. It's a another way to provide intimacy to people who were former strangers.

In Konata/Yukata's case, that's a no brainer. Any older female cousin is a onee-san, because you are supposed to see them as close as your blood sister. See how Yui-nee-san visit Kotana so often? I'm willing to bet she really acted as her real sister when Kona was growing up. It's what they do in Asian societies... if you lose or never had any siblings yours relatives immediately take on the role of a sibling. It's the close-ness of the extended family, something that's becoming rare in Western societies.

Luminisk

2007-07-25, 19:29

Well since you guys had to mention Korean dramas, I have a question. Now I'm an Asian, Vietnamese, living in the US and I have some Asian friends one particular comes from a family that is addicted to Korean dramas, I've been her house quite often so chances are as I pass by the living room there is a Korean drama on with subtitles. So the question is does every Korean drama happen to have the main character, his/her love-interest, and/or relatives to be suffering from some sort of cancer or anmesia? (most likely cancer) or has this just been one major string coincidences.

Back on topic. Asian culture is often a collectivist culture; the way I see it we sort of consider ourselves as being part of one gigantic extended family, and so the word brother and sister (big brother and sister only in my language, a gender-neutral word is used to indicate younger) is not limited to the immediate family and it doesn't seem to limited to blood or marriage relations either, and because there is no one word in my language that formally translates to the word 'you' how you address someone changes depending on you perceive his/her relationship to yourself is (notice I said formally there is a word that translate to 'you' but it is considered rude); the world big brother or sister is can be used formally to address peers that are a bit older than yourselves that have no direct relation to you. You can be my cousin, who is the daughter of my mother's older brother and happens to be 8 years my senior, and in my language I'll address you as my big sister; or you can be the son of my father's close friend and I'll call you my little brother. A girlfriend might call her boyfriend 'big brother' or even a wife to her husband its considered formally intamate and affectionate, but I admit since if you don't have a cultural reference you can easily see this as very strange and possibly wrong since it is being translated very literally.

Sorry for that little lesson, but yeah, at least in my language it is not uncommon to call someone older brother or sister, and as AVplaya says there are good reasons why Yutaka would refer to Konata as her "onee-chan" a few I see is that they are relatives, they're living in the same household, and Yutaka obviously looks up the Konata for my standards thats reason enough.

kenjiharima

2007-07-26, 09:21

every since ep.15. Seems like a torch pass to from Konata to Yutaka and Miyuki to Minami and is it true that in the new manga vol. 5 and 6 that are supposed to be up coming there will be lesser air time with Konata and the main girls?
Maybe the author is focusing on the secondary characters for now or is it because there' graduating?

Akira mumbled "So long sucker." to Minoru? Maybe that's the April fools joke, since he's the most popular character now and he would'nt be off the show just like that right? But imho Akira shined a bit when she was singing anime and LIVE.

Vexx

2007-07-26, 13:42

As with any ensemble cast, characters move back and forth from center stage. Expect less focus on certain characters for a while but they'll step forward if the storyline requires it.

The nice thing is that it lets the author explore more ideas and keeps the characters fresher (i.e. they don't fall into the Great Rut Of Garfield). However, if you're only watching for one character -- it could be frustrating I suppose.

Speaking of the manga --- has anyone spotted release dates for Volume 5? I ping amazon.co.jp periodically but no "pre-orders" are up.

shiro83

2007-07-26, 15:31

Speaking of the manga --- has anyone spotted release dates for Volume 5? I ping amazon.co.jp periodically but no "pre-orders" are up.

Chances are if there is no news at lucky-ch.com, then it is still not available.
I had also checked Kadokawa Shoten, the publisher of the manga, and yielded no results.

Panzer Bandit

2007-07-26, 21:44

Back on topic. Asian culture is often a collectivist culture; the way I see it we sort of consider ourselves as being part of one gigantic extended family, and so the word brother and sister (big brother and sister only in my language, a gender-neutral word is used to indicate younger) is not limited to the immediate family and it doesn't seem to limited to blood or marriage relations either, and because there is no one word in my language that formally translates to the word 'you' how you address someone changes depending on you perceive his/her relationship to yourself is (notice I said formally there is a word that translate to 'you' but it is considered rude); the world big brother or sister is can be used formally to address peers that are a bit older than yourselves that have no direct relation to you. You can be my cousin, who is the daughter of my mother's older brother and happens to be 8 years my senior, and in my language I'll address you as my big sister; or you can be the son of my father's close friend and I'll call you my little brother. A girlfriend might call her boyfriend 'big brother' or even a wife to her husband its considered formally intamate and affectionate, but I admit since if you don't have a cultural reference you can easily see this as very strange and possibly wrong since it is being translated very literally.

Sorry for that little lesson, but yeah, at least in my language it is not uncommon to call someone older brother or sister, and as AVplaya says there are good reasons why Yutaka would refer to Konata as her "onee-chan" a few I see is that they are relatives, they're living in the same household, and Yutaka obviously looks up the Konata for my standards thats reason enough.

Luminisk hit it right on the button there. I'll usually address someone as big brother or big sister (in my language, "kuya" and "ate" respectively) if they're older than me but in the same generation. In the same line, I call most older adults aunt or uncle, regardless of their actual relation to me. Titles like these are a way of showing respect to those who are older than you.

It can be a little confusing to someone from an individualist culture because most of the time, the age and family hierarchies present in collectivist cultures don't really exist in individualist cultures. Take English, for example. We use "Mr." and "Ms./Mrs." to show respect to adults, but there are no such titles for older siblings/cousins/friends, etc. It may seem strange to call an older friend "big sister" or big brother", but for most Asian cultures, it's perfectly normal (and it can be considered somewhat rude if you call someone older just by their name).

PirateSkittles

2007-07-27, 14:01

Alright, thank you everyone ^^

I knew that you could adress someone as big brother or big sister, but since Konata and Yutaka are actually related, I thought it would make a difference.

GoldAlchemist

2007-07-28, 04:29

relentlessflame

2007-07-28, 14:46

1. How do you type the ☆ in Lucky ☆ Star using English keyboard?

2. If you use Microsoft IME for Japanese, can you somehow get the ☆? For example, if you type en and space long enough, you will get ￥.

I've been wondering on how to do that for quite some time. Please help if you know. Thanks.I'm not sure how people normally do it, but I was curious and found a few options. Assuming you're using a Windows OS, the easiest way I've found so far is actually to install the Chinese Unicode keyboard in the Windows IME, as per this page (http://blogs.msdn.com/michkap/archive/2005/05/18/419117.aspx). Then all you have to do is switch to the Chinese IME (using LeftAlt + Shift) and type the hex code using the numbers above the letters on your keyboard (i.e. not the numpad). The hex code for that star is U+2606. So, you just switch to that Chinese IME input mode and type 2606 and voilà: ☆. This works with any unicode character code, of course, and you can find out what they are by using the Character Map tool located in your Start menu under Accessories -> System Tools. For other ways of entering unicode character, you can also see this page (http://www.fileformat.info/tip/microsoft/enter_unicode.htm).

I wonder how people in Japan would normally do it...? Maybe there's an even better way...

bayoab

2007-07-28, 15:11

For all shapes and similar things in Japanese, you type their names.
For instance:
maru produces ○
batsu produces ×
and hoshi produces ☆

Edit: Why is Japanese suddenly broken on the boards?

relentlessflame

2007-07-28, 20:36

For all shapes and similar things in Japanese, you type their names.
For instance:
maru produces ○
batsu produces ×
and hoshi produces ☆

Edit: Why is Japanese suddenly broken on the boards?Ahh... that is much easier, and makes perfect sense. I had a feeling that you wouldn't need to type escape codes to do it, otherwise it wouldn't appear in Japanese titles so often! The Japanese characters do show up for me, by the way.

GoldAlchemist

2007-07-28, 21:29

Thanks alot relentlessflame and bayoab.

The ☆ would definitely make searching alot easier since many search engines still aren't as intelligent as they should. :)

PirateSkittles

2007-07-28, 22:44

EDIT: Found my own answer xD;;

Ratix

2007-07-30, 07:54

I don't get it, whats the whole idea about the anime shop with those characters that are super exeggerated? Was it a parady of some anime or...?

shiro83

2007-07-30, 10:05

I don't get it, whats the whole idea about the anime shop with those characters that are super exeggerated? Was it a parady of some anime or...?

They are the mascots of Animate.
Here (http://www.animate-world.com/aboutanimetenchou.html)

AVPlaya

2007-07-30, 14:33

They are the mascots of Animate.
Here (http://www.animate-world.com/aboutanimetenchou.html)

There's also a GAINAX anime made starring these characters. I believe it was an OVA... I saw clips of it on niconico. The Anime Tenchou segments were parodies of that anime's style. Here's a clip from YOUTSUBE:

CPVxAHHUfZ8

truehappiness

2007-07-30, 22:14

anime_girl118

2007-07-31, 03:30

is the manga in north america yet? And when is the anime coming out for DVD for north america

Risaa

2007-07-31, 04:04

is the manga in north america yet? And when is the anime coming out for DVD for north america
The manga is not licensed, so no. And the anime isn't licensed either, so I don't have the answer to your second question (if it does get licensed at all).

Noppapana

2007-07-31, 18:45

i have been thinking, the part before the opening with 3 class B - kuroi sensei
isnt that a parody of the old fanta CMs like this one ? http://youtube.com/watch?v=HAGTmyzxryA

AVPlaya

2007-07-31, 19:12

i have been thinking, the part before the opening with 3 class B - kuroi sensei
isnt that a parody of the old fanta CMs like this one ? http://youtube.com/watch?v=HAGTmyzxryA

No, The fanta CMs are parodies of an old dorama series. Read here:

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1054358&postcount=63

kenjiharima

2007-08-02, 11:30

I hered there's an anime that parodied Lucky Star.

It's was the 2nd episode I think...she was wearing a Konata T-shirt.

What anime was that?

Teiran

2007-08-02, 11:47

I hered there's an anime that parodied Lucky Star.

It's was the 2nd episode I think...she was wearing a Konata T-shirt.

What anime was that?
The second episode of Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=7767) (a terrific show in its own right, IMO) has a photograph with a shirt featuring Konata's iconic "muu~" face. See the left side of this image (http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zetsukanamiao9.jpg).

Additionally, in that same episode, a character throws a television set through a door--and that television just happens to be displaying the Lucky Channel title card.

kenjiharima

2007-08-02, 12:13

Oh I see, :) Thanks for the info. I'll think I'll watch it.

GoldAlchemist

2007-08-03, 06:33

Does anybody think that there're considerably more muu~ face Kona-chan shown in the anime compared to the manga? I'm wondering if that has anything to do with the resemblance of Aya-chan's mouth to Kona-chan's.

Jecht2

2007-08-09, 05:06

Hello people,

I have been watching Lucky Star for a few weeks now, downloading the fansub from A.F.K anime. I have seen the 16 episodes they have listed, but they haven't seemed to have placed anymore up for grabs.

Have they stopped fan subbing it and if so, where can i get my hands on the 17th episode?

shiro83

2007-08-09, 05:30

Vexx

2007-08-09, 12:49

In the meantime til we figure out whats up with a.f.k. (or with the other guys at EnA) -- Guerrand is doing speedsubs (that are actually quite acceptable).
Check their website for proper trackers though (the one published at AS for ep 17 is broken). Guerrand has 17 and 18 done.

truehappiness

2007-08-13, 00:39

Does anyone happen to remember which Lucky Star episode had the weird Konata eroge opening sequence?

It was like the opening to a game, and it was like "KONATA IZUMI" for each character.. I can't seem to find it while scanning through each ep D:

Teiran

2007-08-13, 01:11

You're probably thinking of the Da Capo sequence in episode 15 (it begins at around 16:00, if you have the a.f.k. release).

Ratix

2007-08-17, 22:15

I just realised, they haven't explained who the Nagato cosplayer is..

CrowKenobi

2007-08-17, 23:37

I just realised, they haven't explained who the Nagato cosplayer is..Or who "Kyon" was... :D

Mirificus

2007-08-18, 09:20

Or who "Kyon" was... :D
Kyon was just a "Kyon cosplayer" who happened to sound exactly like Tomokazu Sugita. Nothing more and nothing less.

723

2007-08-22, 17:33

Question: Why only 24 episodes if (as long as I have understand) they keep releasing volumes, and a very large part of the show is a kind of "filler"? How many volumes is going Kagami-sensei to do? Has the author revelaed her intentions about the manga??
I don't know if you have noticed, but I don't want L*S to end T-T. When I think that there are only 4 chapters left...

Risaa

2007-08-22, 17:45

It's not uncommon for anime series to start up in the middle of its manga run, and finish before the manga ends. Usually those have an open ending.

That's also why you get insanely long series with true filler episodes like Inu Yasha and Naruto -- they're trying to stick to the manga storyline but must keep producing pretty much meaningless episodes while waiting for the manga to catch up.

You can say L*S is all "filler", I suppose.... But I don't consider them filler episodes because they're what L*S is all about. There's no real plotline. I believe the show will end at 24 episodes because L*S has to end sometime, and 24 episodes seems to work well (whereas ending it in the se7enties may make the show boring and repetitive [[especially considering there's no plot]], in which case it would cost them more money than it's worth).

I also don't think anyone knows how many volumes Kagami-sensei will release. And... Did we ever figure out Kagami-sensei's gender? For some reason I think we decided male, but it could be my mind warping things. :)

Vexx

2007-08-22, 19:53

As far as I know, author Kagami's sex is still completely mysterious (at least to gaijin).

AVPlaya

2007-08-22, 23:57

As far as I know, author Kagami's sex is still completely mysterious (at least to gaijin).

Eh, you know just by looking fast at the your post without reading Rissa's question would raise many, many questions. :) "What is it about her ... sex.. that you need to know aboot?"

That's why I always insisted on using Yoshimizu. :)

From the many, many blogs and threads on this topic in at least 3 languages, I would say that there's an 80% probability that Yoshimizu is a dude. The main reason for me was that in the blurb about Lucky Star manga on Katsukabe KyoEi home page, it was mentioned that he was a member of the anime club. Being a member of the anime club in a high school is like a death sentence in term of social life... you can forget about getting a date. A girl, or rather, a fujoshi, would NEVER join such a club, for even today, fujoshi activity is done in utter secrecy, as you can tell by the way Hiroyi acted. Not even Kona, a die-hard, true-blue, out-and-proud, akiba-kei otaku-sama, joined such club. Yoshimizu, to me, is without a doubt a man. *sigh*

Risaa

2007-08-23, 00:45

Being a member of the anime club in a high school is like a death sentence in term of social life... you can forget about getting a date.
Hehe I'm glad I went to high school in the US then.
...o wait, maybe that's why I've never been on a date. :p

The club was *very* uneventful though, and I ended up quitting within the first month; it was full of egotistical snobs, not the geeky types I usually conspire with.

Vexx

2007-08-23, 03:32

Hehe I'm glad I went to high school in the US then.
...o wait, maybe that's why I've never been on a date. :p

The club was *very* uneventful though, and I ended up quitting within the first month; it was full of egotistical snobs, not the geeky types I usually conspire with.

I'd offer my older son as date material ... but I know him too well to inflict him on you :)

723

2007-08-23, 06:27

Thanks for the answers!! About the author sex... I found this website. If someone could translate some part of his/her biography, I am sure we can know it, finally.
PD: I said "her" because of Kagami's name, but since I don't know too much about japanese culture I may be mistaken. Gomene!

Vexx

2007-08-23, 12:44

The problem is that "Kagami" is somewhat of a unisex name like "Francis" or "Alex" or such. That coupled with no pics has some people scratching their heads.

My own bias is that I hope the author is female simply because its nice to see some balance - and I'm rather interested in watching Japan cope with their "gender role" evolution.

Risaa

2007-08-23, 14:00

I originally thought Kagami was female because "Kagami" is written in hiragana, but... who really knows except him/herself? :) It'd be nice to find out in some episode of L*S.

ItsumoAnya

2007-08-25, 13:32

*has a question* What day do the new episodes come out, and how long before they're subbed and ready for download?

I just got into L*S you see ^^;

Risaa

2007-08-25, 16:59

*has a question* What day do the new episodes come out, and how long before they're subbed and ready for download?

I just got into L*S you see ^^;
This has been answered numerous times... I just picked the first one Search provided me with.
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1091051&postcount=4

Subs seem to come out randomly now. O_o Right now it seems one group releases subs within a week, another group will do it within two weeks, and the rest of the groups are either releasing them in bulk or are missing key fansub members and can't sub at all.

Calawain

2007-08-26, 20:40

Hopefully this is appropriate to ask, but I've always been curious. A show like LS seems to be pretty popular doujin wise, as I can see large amounts of it show in the image thread. In addition, in the show itself one of the funniest scenes was Kagami looking at the FMP doujin and Comiket.

My question, as a law student who studies some copyright law, is the law in Japan a lot more lax when it comes to using artists works to create your own? I believe that if you started publishing your own stories using Mickey Mouse and trying to sell it here in America it would earn you a quick lawsuit from the folks at Disney. It just seems like the law in Japan is more lax, is that a correct assumption?

darksider

2007-08-27, 14:12

Ooh, possibly wrong place, but good point there. Good enough to bring it to Ask John on animenation.net, I think. No irony intended and I honestly think so(or maybe answered already there? I don' know)

I don't think that the copyright law in Japan is so hugely different from the American or other ones (thogh there may be one or two big differences but I'm no expert after all). See, there's Tokyo Disneyland in Japan and those Disney guys can easily sue you if you 'steal' whatever thing from them.
Haven't you ever wondered why there's no Mickey Mouse doujin while they are popular enough in Japan too?

The issue is not the law itself I think , but it is in the adhibition/enforcement of the law. The situation in Japan concerning indie publication, fandom, so-called doujin works and others are extremely complicated here and there'd be no simple answer, I suppose. What if the copyright holder themselves encourage doujin works based on their works? Whose advertising what and who's to get money and who's cheating what and stealing their shares?

And I said somewhere before, that KyoAni will never use stuffs from Ghibli's works, and although it is partly because they're afraid of lawsuit, at the same time it is because, I think, they respect Ghibli and their works, and when Ghibli say they don't like their work used in other's stuff, they can never be against it. It's not just about the law, but more matter of moral, I think.

Vexx

2007-08-27, 16:18

As darksider says, the big boys don't steal from each other (at least not blatantly)... and the japanese industry has a 'fan-friendly' relationship with their consumers and their fat wallets... .unlike, say, Viacom, who went out of their way to alienate almost every fan group and website that loved Star Trek after they subsumed Paramount.

Given the yaoi/yuri fan-fantasy doujinshi that pervades the arena, the anime industry either views it as just part of the business or encourages it to amp up the fanbase.

I'd say it isn't more lax so much as just interpreted differently.
Obviously, IANAL blahblah, YMMV.

Calawain

2007-08-27, 17:43

That would make sense, I mean most doujin based on copyrighted characters serve to promote the original work I would think. The letter of the law and enforcement are two very different things, especially in the civil arena. If the copyright holders don't sue because it benefits them, then nobody gets in trouble for it. And if the community is entrenched enough, filing suits would be bad business.

And yeah I remember what Viacom did regarding Star Trek, it was pretty sad. Not to wander too off-topic, but American companies are highly protective of their copyrights in just about every way possible.

Nemo_N

2007-09-09, 23:10

One question to manga readers:

As of episode 23, how much of the manga has been covered? Is there enough material for say, a second season?

Thanks in advance.

Vexx

2007-09-10, 11:03

It kind of depends on how you define it.... in some cases, the original material ideas were used differently or expanded. I'd say that by the time a second season becomes possible (after Clannad, Haruhi 2, and possibly FMP), there will be plenty of material for another season. The question will be, was Lucky*Star a transient phenomenom or will it have enough staying power to wait that long?

*I* like it.... but I'm not on their survey list - it'll depend on the domestic fans and their willingness to buy merchandise.

aorta

2007-09-10, 19:44

The manga is still ongoing right?

Risaa

2007-09-10, 20:45

The manga is still ongoing right?
YES! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/Risaa/woowoo.gif I'm darn glad, too.

Vexx

2007-09-10, 22:56

The manga is still ongoing right?

Going strong. The magazine chapters churn on while the manga's fifth volume was released Summer 2007.

kenjiharima

2007-09-11, 08:56

Is there any picture of the author of L*S? To determine if he/she's a he or she?

darksider

2007-09-11, 09:23

Nothing as far as I know. You'll get nothing but the bodyless cat-like thing as his avatar.
I think he is male, but who believes that anyway?

By the way, I believe that most people here are not really sure about gender of any of mangaka. How did you know Toriyama Akira is a male? You know, some mangaka even enjoys puzzling their audience!

kenjiharima

2007-09-11, 14:01

Well Akira Toriyama guested in a show and he was male. Jin Kobayashi is maintaining a low profile yet he was male. Masamune Shirow is another guy I haven't seen, I only see a bald guy for his avatar...oh well...let's just enjoy the loli Kagami in the anime. :heh:

SeijiSensei

2007-09-11, 16:49

My question, as a law student who studies some copyright law, is the law in Japan a lot more lax when it comes to using artists works to create your own?

I hope nobody minds that I'm discussing a three-month old posting, but I've wondered about these questions myself. Like Vexx, IANAL, yada yada, though I have taken an interest in copyright issues because of some work I did in the 80's.

I would think that doujinshi fall more into trademark infringement rather than copyright infringement. If I draw a picture of Kagamin, I haven't actually copied anything, so I don't think my drawing can be seen as infringement of copyright. However most characters are also trademarked. I visited the most obvious site I could think of that might shed some light on Japanese characters, namely Sanrio (http://www.sanrio.com/legal/terms.php). Along with the discussion of copyright infringement, there's this paragraph:

"The trademarks, logos, and service marks displayed on the Site (collectively the “Trademarks”) are the registered and unregistered trademarks of Sanrio, our licensors and suppliers, and others. Nothing contained on the Site should be construed as granting, by implication, estoppel or otherwise, any license or right to use any Trademark without the express written permission of Sanrio, our licensors or suppliers, or the third party owner of any such Trademark and use of the Trademarks is expressly prohibited."

So I can't copy a picture of Hello Kitty off the site; that would be copyright infringement. Nor can I publish a picture of Hello Kitty; that would be a trademark infringement.

Interestingly, in the US I believe your required legally to pursue trademark infringers and that failing to do so can render the trademark indefensible. I don't know whether Japan has the same law in this area. (Trademark law varies more from country to country than copyright law.) If so, then it would be dangerous not to pursue doujinshi publishers.

I'd agree with the comments above, though, that the free advertising in doujinshi may benefit the original creators more than the costs, and bad PR, of pursuing actions against them.

AVPlaya

2007-09-12, 14:01

Is there any picture of the author of L*S? To determine if he/she's a he or she?

This should be a in a faq somewhere...

based on my personal investigation into the matter, I'd say that there's 80%-90% chance he's a guy. It saddens me but that's how the dice rolled. The sex of a manga-ka is usually not a secret; you can see it most of the time by their names. But there are often times when manga-ka deliberately tried to hide their sex to sell the series, like the manga-ka for Kindaichi intentionally wrote her name in a masculine way to hide the fact that she's a female writer of a shonen mystery manga. I think Yoshimizu is hiding for the same reason as well... by writing his name the way he did, he could have fooled people into believing he's female.

723

2007-09-12, 15:02

The strangest thing is the coincidence with the name of Hiiragi Kagami--- Maybe she/he wants to establish a comparation? Or maybe it is just a coincidence. But, if his/her real name is Kagami, then I think the character's name is not a coincidence. The same thing if the supposed nickname is the same as Kagamin's name...

Maybe I am talking nonsense... I am used to look for hints when there may not exist... X3 And I think that habit was caused by watching L*S... X3

Calawain

2007-09-12, 16:44

I hope nobody minds that I'm discussing a three-month old posting, but I've wondered about these questions myself. Like Vexx, IANAL, yada yada, though I have taken an interest in copyright issues because of some work I did in the 80's.

I would think that doujinshi fall more into trademark infringement rather than copyright infringement. If I draw a picture of Kagamin, I haven't actually copied anything, so I don't think my drawing can be seen as infringement of copyright. However most characters are also trademarked. I visited the most obvious site I could think of that might shed some light on Japanese characters, namely Sanrio (http://www.sanrio.com/legal/terms.php). Along with the discussion of copyright infringement, there's this paragraph:

"The trademarks, logos, and service marks displayed on the Site (collectively the “Trademarks”) are the registered and unregistered trademarks of Sanrio, our licensors and suppliers, and others. Nothing contained on the Site should be construed as granting, by implication, estoppel or otherwise, any license or right to use any Trademark without the express written permission of Sanrio, our licensors or suppliers, or the third party owner of any such Trademark and use of the Trademarks is expressly prohibited."

So I can't copy a picture of Hello Kitty off the site; that would be copyright infringement. Nor can I publish a picture of Hello Kitty; that would be a trademark infringement.

Interestingly, in the US I believe your required legally to pursue trademark infringers and that failing to do so can render the trademark indefensible. I don't know whether Japan has the same law in this area. (Trademark law varies more from country to country than copyright law.) If so, then it would be dangerous not to pursue doujinshi publishers.

I'd agree with the comments above, though, that the free advertising in doujinshi may benefit the original creators more than the costs, and bad PR, of pursuing actions against them.

Well trademarks are part of it yes, but I would think copyright laws also apply due to the fact you are copying character personalities, story (background, what happened to the characters in the past comes from the other works). From my cursory reviews of the Westlaw summaries of the various USCA chapters that deal with trademarks and copyrights (I wouldn't read the whole thing, the trademark chapter is 400 pages at least annotated), I would hesitate to say that you have to actively pursue all trademark violations in order to hold your copyright. I mean unless it is really famous and obvious, you'd have to have constructive notice of the infringement in order for a requirement like that to exist. It's possible, but I don't think it is particularly likely.

However, from my observations and the comments here and in other places, I would assume that the Japanese companies realize that they aren't being economically hurt by the doujin (in fact it helps in most cases) and just don't pursue any infringements.

Chiibi

2007-09-17, 15:09

kenjiharima

2007-09-18, 10:21

Does anyone get why Minoru was getting all disgusted in episode 7 of Lucky Channel when Akira was talking about the sunflower/ribbon mix-up? She said something like "That looked awfully familiar in one of my-" and he goes "Gero gero!" meaning "ew" or "gross"? Is it a hentai reference? :heh:

This must be what you're talking about. The radio show where he was in drag.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f154/harimadez/luckystargirlsdreaming.gif

Chiibi

2007-09-18, 18:08

LOL! So Akira-chan was referring to the radio show?

renai

2007-09-19, 03:38

THIS is a real question!!!!!!!!!!!
Do anyone of you knows how many episodes left they planned to show ?

X207

2007-09-19, 06:07

xris

2007-09-19, 06:14

THIS is a real question!!!!!!!!!!!
Do anyone of you knows how many episodes left they planned to show ?
We (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/990.html) list the number of episodes as 24. As do ANN (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=7222) and AniDB (http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=4777). Is there a reason to think otherwise?

Chiibi

2007-09-19, 09:56

how are the polls determined in the official L*S site? id love to get a poll asking wat sort ot ending song would be featured for next season. the shiraishi kareoke ending is crap that was only interesting/funny for its first 3 airings.

Yeah I agree 100%. I'm sitting there watching him attempt to sing and I'm like "Wow this is dumb.":rolleyes: The group doing karaoke was MUCH better.:(

Claies

2007-09-19, 10:16

how are the polls determined in the official L*S site? id love to get a poll asking wat sort ot ending song would be featured for next season. the shiraishi kareoke ending is crap that was only interesting/funny for its first 3 airings.

I doubt they're even thinking about a second season right now...not until around 2 years later when manga material accumulates again.

Although Shiraishi would definitely pull that kind of poll off and see how he'll get alternately raised to the top or slammed to the ground. Personally, I find this huge spectrum of reactions hilarious.

X207

2007-09-19, 16:34

I doubt they're even thinking about a second season right now...not until around 2 years later when manga material accumulates again.

Although Shiraishi would definitely pull that kind of poll off and see how he'll get alternately raised to the top or slammed to the ground. Personally, I find this huge spectrum of reactions hilarious.

well count me in to crush his dreams of becoming a singer. must look out for them to post that poll *crosses fingers*

stormy001_M1A2

2007-09-20, 19:45

Go ahead and laugh at me but why almost 90 percent of the cast of this anime is a left hander? The author is a southpaw or something? Or something obscure Japanese culture/tradition?

Claies

2007-09-20, 23:17

Go ahead and laugh at me but why almost 90 percent of the cast of this anime is a left hander? The author is a southpaw or something? Or something obscure Japanese culture/tradition?

The author is probably left-handed him/herself. It should be noted that the characters are shown either left-handed or ambidextrous (Konata and Nanako). We don't know if Sojirou is ambidextrous, but if he is there might be a silent implication that otaku have better motor skills. XD

We had a little talk about that a while back...I forget where.

kenjiharima

2007-09-21, 09:31

just got a question since I dunno that much Japanese language.

the last episodes Konata and Tsukasa are always saying - IKAHUDO and Dondake.

what do those mean? I got my subs from Gurren.

Vexx

2007-09-21, 10:53

Ikahodo is a slang term that very roughly corresponds to "WTF?" or "what the hell" or more literally - "how much???"

Dondake is a slang term derived from the gay community that I almost translate as "!!!!??!!!". It can apparently be used for "wtf?" or "How the f*** are you?" or a few other almost meaningless rude terms of "!?"

When translating... every language has a few terms that really just don'[t translate at all without an entire paragraph of footnotes.

edit: I should qualify that the F*** word is being used in this context as a meaningless but crude expletive rather than with any connection to sex. Its just that "what the hell???" doesn't have the impact these days... we've pretty much run out of "shocking" words to be used sparingly.

kenjiharima

2007-09-21, 11:11

thx alot Vexx.

My GOD!!! If you put it in literal way, Konata and Tsukasa is always saying "WTF" XD

Japanese language is really hard. :(

AVPlaya

2007-09-21, 13:28

This is perhaps the 4th time I've tried to answer this...

Dondake is a slang which originated in the gay area of Shinjuku, and made popular by a gay entertainer named Ikko. Soon high school girls around Harajuku started to use it, and eventually picked up by the mass media. Soon many TV "talentos" started to use it, and even TV doramas. In the recently aired Dorama "Operation Proposal", Johnny's hottie Yamashita Tomohisa (Yamapi) used the word extensively, making it popular even among normal teens.

I'm not clear about the exact origin of Ikahodo, but they have the exact same meaning. The Harajuku teens and possibly the gay population started to use it instead of dondake, and many people have been arguing which is the "correct" or the "cool" term to use. Hence the joke in L*S is that like regular girls, L*S girls also debate about this. Ikahodo is rather new and it's catching up in popularity as the new cool slang to use. The dondake vs ikahodo debate has evolved into the hip dialog of when some one say "Dondake?", you automatically respond with "Ikehodo!".

Dondake was nominated as one of the coolest new slang of 2007 by a site I saw recently, but I think Ikehodo will catch up too. I think Ikahodo came about because the underground slang "dondake" has been appropriated by the Japanese main stream, and the moment that happens, it stopped being cool; thus a new cool term came about to replace it. Among the various sub-culture of Japan (of which otaku is one of them), the hate for the mainstream media is stronger than anything we have in the West. Just like the otaku, they shun the mainstream stuff unless forced.

I must say I'm very impressed with how current Lucky Star is with Japanese popular culture. It's like a social satire/commentary in anime form. I'm quite certain that the dondake/ikahodo debate is utterly out of the otaku's realm of reference, and yet they're making several references to it, including a radio "debate" between the Hiiragi Sisters on the Lucky Channel Radio Show a few weeks ago. KyoAni is trying to do something revolutionary here, and I sure hope they'd continue.

EDIT: changed ikehodo to ikahodo as that's the more popular version.

Vexx

2007-09-21, 14:15

Trivia point: is it "Ikehodo" 「いけほど」　or "Ikahodo"　「いかほど」　? I've seen it spelled both ways by fairly reputable sources.

iamandragon

2007-09-21, 14:21

When translating... every language has a few terms that really just don't translate at all without an entire paragraph of footnotes.

The word 'moe' pops up in my mind...I've never seen a good explanation...like Konata said, understanding the meaning of 'moe' means you're one of them...

AVPlaya

2007-09-21, 14:36

Trivia point: is it "Ikehodo" 「いけほど」　or "Ikahodo"　「いかほど」　? I've seen it spelled both ways by fairly reputable sources.

Good point, I'm confused myself. I should have written iKAhodo since it looks like that's the more popular version. I'm thinking they're linked together and one maybe the mispronunciation of the other. I do see more poeple complaining about their lack of understanding for ikahodo.

いかほど　sounded as if it has something to do with squids, not that いけほど sounded any better. Personally, I like dondake better. It just sounded more bad-ass than ikahodo/ikehodo. :)