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Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-29, 02:42
Just thought I'd mention that stylisticly in keeping with the other episode threads, the thread should be titled Lucky Star - Episode 04 Discussion/Poll.
I guess Monir will have to throw himself on his sword.... or singlehandedly eat a popsicle without dropping it... or something.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-29, 03:35
All I can say before this becomes available is I hope to god they don't try to advertise to me or start a 3 minute musical singing number. Any time that happens my rating for an episode instantly drops a point for either personal offense, and I really truly don't want to have to do that. I would have given episode 3 an 8/10 rating if it weren't for the ads for Comptiq and the botched spirit of the ending. I hope Kyoto Animation can develop some sort of resistance to the will of their sponsors like Sunrise used to be known for.
To put it simply, I hate being advertised too while watching a show and I don't want to buy your Character Singles so keep it in the commericals studios. I've dropped entire series over these issues (Manabi Straight and Soprano's Season 6 [up to this date I still haven't seen all of it] are examples that come to mind) and I wouldn't hesisitate to do it here if they can't keep it under control. Keeps fingers crossed and hopes for the best. :uhoh:
All I can say before this becomes available is I hope to god they don't try to advertise to me or start a 3 minute musical singing number. Any time that happens my rating for an episode instantly drops a point for either personal offense, and I really truly don't want to have to do that. I would have given episode 3 an 8/10 rating if it weren't for the ads for Comptiq and the botched spirit of the ending. I hope Kyoto Animation can develop some sort of resistance to the will of their sponsors like Sunrise used to be known for.
To put it simply, I hate being advertised too while watching a show and I don't want to buy your Character Singles so keep it in the commericals studios. I've dropped entire series over these issues (Manabi Straight and Soprano's Season 6 [up to this date I still haven't seen all of it] are examples that come to mind) and I wouldn't hesisitate to do it here if they can't keep it under control. Keeps fingers crossed and hopes for the best.
How far are you willing to let Lucky Star go before you consider it advertising?
I would have given episode 3 an 8/10 rating if it weren't for the ads for Comptiq and the botched spirit of the ending. I hope Kyoto Animation can develop some sort of resistance to the will of their sponsors like Sunrise used to be known for.
Konata read Comptiq in the manga. I thinks it's more of a gag that she reads the magazine that Lucky Star runs in than advertising.
Anyway I expect more crazy references from this episode.
Hell, I could have sworn that Gintama's male lead have been reading Shonen Jump while saying "I wish I had something like bankai". Did anybody cried viral marketting? I don't think so.
It's quite inevitable that Konata talks a lot about Comptiq in the anime, because that's also what she did (to a rather fair extent I might add) in the manga. Taking all the 'advertising' out actually takes out quite a bit of conversation between Kagami and Konata.
MakubeX2
2007-04-29, 10:43
Highlights of Ep 4 :-
Konata's Room.
To Heart, Haruhi and FMP Reference.
Lots and lots of closeup. Including one of Kagami crying.
First appearance of Konata's mom, Kanata.
Balant advertising of Comptiq. Again. Even in Lucky Channel. At least Akira change her outfit.
From the screencaps I have seen at 2ch, Nanako gets screentime in this episode.
Nightengale
2007-04-29, 11:12
Hell, I could have sworn that Gintama's male lead have been reading Shonen Jump while saying "I wish I had something like bankai". Did anybody cried viral marketting? I don't think so.
Haha.
Sunrise IS one of the masters of referencing. In fact, I'd say that they're argubly the best animation studio at referencing. At least they don't need to bleep out Gundam references. I mean, the Gintama "bankai" thing among others are the usual fare of Gintama. Let's not forget the "movie ads" thing. If we call those viral marketing, it's viral marketing at it's best.
There's Yakitate Japan and Keroro Gunsou as well. Both too...referencing at it's best. :heh:
Code Geass = Pizza Hut too. Pizza Hut clearly did not sign up for that much references of it in CG. The staff of CG got excited at the fun of it and added more out of their own wishes.
I guess Monir will have to throw himself on his sword.... or singlehandedly eat a popsicle without dropping it... or something.
Even though Kaioshin outlined the "style" that was lacking, it still took me 20 seconds to realize that I forgot to add the "0." :heh:
Just thought I'd mention that stylisticly in keeping with the other episode threads, the thread should be titled Lucky Star - Episode 04 Discussion/Poll.
Fixed! :D On the subject of advertising, I can tolerate them if there is a purpose. False advertising, on the other hand, is unfogivable. There are no lolis in Manabi Straight! So exasperatingly misleading. Highschoolers designed to be appeared as lolis can be quite depressing when the cat is out of the bag. I still haven't gotten over that shock when I've finally discovered in episode 3, THEY WERE FRESHMEN IN HIGHSCHOOL!! :upset:
Lucky Star is pretty clever in that regard. Nothing, I mean, absolutely nothing has been spared from it's mockingly pointing finger of criticism. :heh:
http://www.kyotoanimation.co.jp/info.html
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-29, 11:48
http://www.kyotoanimation.co.jp/info.html
It seems to be saying they are swapping directors. Hiroshi Yamamoto is being swapped out for another guy named Yasuhiro Takemoto.
who directed FMP Fumoff?
Yamamoto Hiroshi too.
Is he really being swapped out?
-Haru
Is he really being swapped out?
Thats what the official site is telling us.
Must admit thats a little bit random --- lets see what FMP-san can do with Lucky Star. But i found Yamamoto to be doing a good job.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-29, 13:33
Thats what the official site is telling us.
Must admit thats a little bit random --- lets see what FMP-san can do with Lucky Star. But i found Yamamoto to be doing a good job.
Could be a Drama play. We say what happened with Gurren-Lagann and how much of a furor and publicity that stirred up. Maybe they decided to mimic it to increase popularity for the series, which is still getting a bit of a lukewarm reception. Then again probably not.
As long as we distinguish between 'advertising product placement' and 'this is the normal sort of thing Konata would be chatting about' .... just the use of fad items is okay if it is in context because this is what these sort of people would actually discuss.
Rather like "Want a Coke?" is not an inherent product placement.
In a real sense, *ALL* anime is advertising --- they want us to buy the manga, the figures, and CDs, DVDs....
Question for those who have watched Ep04 and understood the dialogue. Why did Kagami cry? :(
*sniffle*
(I should be asleep already... but I am burning to know answers from this and StrikerS... Man... I am going to "die" tomorrow...)
Kaoru Chujo
2007-04-29, 13:49
I think the director change announcement is a fake, inserted on the KyoAni site by vandals. Here is my reasoning:
1. No press release would say "because he has not reached the level of being a director yet," as I read this one to do.
2. The announcement was posted sometime between midnight and 3am Monday morning, when staff is normally not at work.
3. It says the change will take place with episode five, but episode five will already have been completed by now.
4. The announcement opens in a small new window, unlike other announcements in the news list.
5. The announcement page was made in Adobe GoLive, using the "x-sjis" character set. The rest of the site appears to be simply in "shift_jis" and gives no creating software.
In my opinion, Lucky Star is a unique and superior show, and one of the best comedy anime I have ever seen, at a higher level of humor than all but a few other anime.
It seems to me likely that some kimo-ota, emboldened by their success over Gurren Lagann, are now turning their sights on someone else with a higher aesthetic sense than theirs.
Time will tell. It is now not quite 4am Monday in Japan. KyoAni staff will not be on the job for a few hours yet.
Daniel E.
2007-04-29, 13:49
Omni sure got it fast this week. :)
Random curiosity - Lucky Star Eps. 04 (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2007/04/29/lucky-star-04/)
Is that a Death Note parody that I see! :D
EDIT:
Sorry my bad, the entry was made by Jaalin and not by Omni.
Question for those who have watched Ep04 and understood the dialogue. Why did Kagami cry? :(
*sniffle*
(I should be asleep already... but I am burning to know answers from this and StrikerS... Man... I am going to "die" tomorrow...)
Spoilers! SPOILERS!
:D
Man, out of all the episodes this one sure was the fullest of references. While there were plenty of visual gags (the To Heart one was absolutely BRILLIANT considering some of the fan-art floating around), but there were a few voice-only ones too.
Early in the episode Konata makes excuses for being late twice. I think the important keywords for the first one were "otoko narimashita" and the second one "taiyuki". While I didn't quite understand it completely, I think the first "excuse" might be a Maze reference (or Ranma?) and the second one a Kanon one. Interestingly Konata actually got a cold the time after that, yet the teacher didn't believe her (I guess that's what you get from making up to much false excuses).
There was also a moment where Konata clearly imitates Shin-chan from Crayon Shin-chan with her voice. Then there were loads of small references too: not only see we a visual Haruhi reference, at one point Konata turns on the TV to watch it too (and on here PC it seems she has 2ch [or similar] ready for talking about it just like I'm doing now). Shuffle and Galaxy Angel also made another apperance. There was also the manga Konata was reading, but I'm afraid I don't know it's name...
Anyway... I'm not sure what exactly to think of this episode; there were great moments but overal it might be a bit less than episode 3. Anyway, once again this episode clearly proved my Japanese isn't quite good enough, so I'll wait for the subs to watch it again and catch all the jokes.
Question for those who have watched Ep04 and understood the dialogue. Why did Kagami cry? :(
*sniffle*
(I should be asleep already... but I am burning to know answers from this and StrikerS... Man... I am going to "die" tomorrow...)
I think it has to do with her weight (namely, that it increased again). But I'm not sure.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-29, 13:57
As long as we distinguish between 'advertising product placement' and 'this is the normal sort of thing Konata would be chatting about' .... just the use of fad items is okay if it is in context because this is what these sort of people would actually discuss.
Rather like "Want a Coke?" is not an inherent product placement.
In a real sense, *ALL* anime is advertising --- they want us to buy the manga, the figures, and CDs, DVDs....
I'd make a distinction between what I call "Direct Advertising" and "Indirect Advertising". An example would be Konata's "Don't You Feel The Urge To Buy Things Related To A Particular Title" comment in reference to Comptiq's Refill Card Plan. Once your character starts endorsing your products within an anime it becomes direct advertising (Plus in this case it's a double whammy, because the naive may not know it is happening AND it is being advertised by a cute character, which is almost the "Autosell", whatever I mean by that). Ultimately, most of anime I like to think of as indirect advertising where you want to make people buy your product based off of the content they see and enjoy.
I think the director change announcement is a fake, inserted on the KyoAni site by vandals. Here is my reasoning:
1. No press release would say "because he has not reached the level of being a director yet," as I read this one to do.
2. The announcement was posted sometime between midnight and 3am Monday morning, when staff is normally not at work.
3. It says the change will take place with episode five, but episode five will already have been completed by now.
4. The announcement opens in a small new window, unlike other announcements in the news list.
5. The announcement page was made in Adobe GoLive, using the "x-sjis" character set. The rest of the site appears to be simply in "shift_jis" and gives no creating software.
In my opinion, Lucky Star is a unique and superior show, and one of the best comedy anime I have ever seen, at a higher level of humor than all but a few other anime.
It seems to me likely that some kimo-ota, emboldened by their success over Gurren Lagen, are now turning their sights on someone else with a higher aesthetic sense than theirs.
Time will tell. It is now not quite 4am Monday in Japan. KyoAni staff will not be on the job for a few hours yet.
Wow. Your reasoning seems good.
Like you said, time will tell.
Meophist
2007-04-29, 14:39
I think it has to do with her weight (namely, that it increased again). But I'm not sure.I'm pretty sure it was this too.Strangely, I found it easier for me to understand this episode then the others. Perhaps the many blatent references helped.
dahl_moon
2007-04-29, 14:49
Wow, the ending song was totally random. Kagami was watching this '81 series with Tsukasa a while ago?
Edit: Apparently there was a remake of the series last year... never mind my comment above.
khJyK41deLUAnother episode that was over my Japanese level. Although I have to admit, Konata's presents for Kagami and Tsukasa was a totally win moment for me. By far (for me) the funniest moment.
As for the not able to study on a hot day + mosquitoes, and staying up all night reading after casually picking a book up, that is so true...
Next week: festivals and Yukata!
Konata has a very good taste for manga
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/5909/snapshot20070429214326nn9.jpg
Mugen no juunin by Hiroaki Samura
That's a Kodansha's manga (serialized on Afternoon if I remember well) so not all the clear reference are for Kadokawa products
As for the not able to study on a hot day + mosquitoes, and staying up all night reading after casually picking a book up, that is so true...
Yup. I could completely sympathize with Konata's study methods. I too have more than once delayed learning for a test (or a report etc) until the last minute by simply setting my alarm clock earlier and doing it early in the morning. Though usually I would not end up staying up until 2 am in such cases. Not exactly feeling like learning after waking up so early like Konata subsequently also happened to me (as well as simply running out of time because I had not set the alarm clock early enough).
Meophist
2007-04-29, 14:55
That reminds me… I have a project due for tomorrow. Instead of doing it, I'm watching anime and am on Internet posting on message boards. I'm telling myself that I need to do the project, but here I am.
In other news, I avoid reading books because I have a hard time putting them down. When I do read books, I often end up staying up all night just to finish it(in one sitting), as my perception of time goes away.
Did anyone see the Fumoff Bonta-kun in Kagami's room? That was a nice touch. Also LOL at Kona watching Haruhi while posting on 2ch.
The ending song, if anyone was curious, was "sailorfuku to kikanjuu," (Sailorsuits and magine guns) orignally by Hiroko Yakushimaru, but most recently re-made and redone by Nagasawa Masami.
;925455']Konata has a very good taste for manga
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/5909/snapshot20070429214326nn9.jpg
Mugen no juunin by Hiroaki Samura
That's a Kodansha's manga (serialized on Afternoon if I remember well) so not all the clear reference are for Kadokawa products
aka Blade of the Immortal. This is volume 19.
Mirrinus
2007-04-29, 16:15
Yeah, I can sympathize along with you all. I have a 12-page Political Science paper draft to turn in tomorrow (I'm on pg. 4 atm), yet here I am posting on this forum...
WanderingKnight
2007-04-29, 16:40
Nice episode, I understood a bit more dialog than episode 3 but I'm still lacking too much vocabulary. The teacher's Osaka-ben was particularly tough to decipher. Though many parts still were funny and in many others where I couldn't catch the words, the meaning could be figured out by context anyways. Oh, and Lucky Channel seems to be getting tamer by now. Wonder if Akira'll keep calming down. Though I loved it when she freaked out at Shiashi for interrupting her.
and the second one "taiyuki"... and the second one a Kanon one...
If you're looking for a Kanon reference, it should be taiyaki, not taiyuki. Tayuki means "great courage".
Question for those who have watched Ep04 and understood the dialogue. Why did Kagami cry? :(
*sniffle*
(I should be asleep already... but I am burning to know answers from this and StrikerS... Man... I am going to "die" tomorrow...)
She lost weight, so she started eating her favorite snacks again, and her weight increased once again. www
Random thought:
Hirano Aya's mimicry of Nohara Shinosuke's voice is superb. GJ!
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-29, 17:23
I think the director change announcement is a fake, inserted on the KyoAni site by vandals. Here is my reasoning:
1. No press release would say "because he has not reached the level of being a director yet," as I read this one to do.
2. The announcement was posted sometime between midnight and 3am Monday morning, when staff is normally not at work.
3. It says the change will take place with episode five, but episode five will already have been completed by now.
4. The announcement opens in a small new window, unlike other announcements in the news list.
5. The announcement page was made in Adobe GoLive, using the "x-sjis" character set. The rest of the site appears to be simply in "shift_jis" and gives no creating software.
In my opinion, Lucky Star is a unique and superior show, and one of the best comedy anime I have ever seen, at a higher level of humor than all but a few other anime.
It seems to me likely that some kimo-ota, emboldened by their success over Gurren Lagen, are now turning their sights on someone else with a higher aesthetic sense than theirs.
Time will tell. It is now not quite 4am Monday in Japan. KyoAni staff will not be on the job for a few hours yet.
There really aren't that many good comedy anime I find. Most of them miss the mark, so I'll agree to that. Not much competition.
By the way, this sentence, "It seems to me likely that some kimo-ota, emboldened by their success over Gurren Lagen, are now turning their sights on someone else with a higher aesthetic sense than theirs." I really don't understand what you are talking about here. Could you elaborate.
Kaoru Chujo
2007-04-29, 18:07
...By the way, this sentence, "It seems to me likely that some kimo-ota, emboldened by their success over Gurren Lagann, are now turning their sights on someone else with a higher aesthetic sense than theirs." I really don't understand what you are talking about here. Could you elaborate.kimo-ota="disgusting otaku," a Japanese catch-word. For others: a producer of GL resigned recently when controversy erupted on 2channel over a change in styles for one episode and it came out that he (I'm not sure why I thought it was she; I'll accept your correction from the GL thread) and a staffer had posted insults on a supposedly private site about kimo-ota on 2channel not knowing anything about animation but thinking they were smarter than anyone else, and about 2channel being the "anus of the Internet." 2channel posters on their GL thread are triumphant. I thought it may be someone of that group finding a way to hack the KyoAni site. There was a lot of negative reaction to Lucky Star on 2channel when it came out. I basically like this show and liked ep4 of GL at least as well as other eps, so I was denigrating the taste of people on 2channel who don't, and making wild accusations against them.
I hasten to add that I actually enjoy 2channel and will defend it in other contexts.
As for comedy anime, I'm sure our tastes differ, but I agree there aren't many I love. Ichigo Mashimaro is my favorite. The current Hayate the Combat Butler is pretty good, too, in a totally different way from either LS or IM.
As for episode 4, the raw is as usual above my Japanese comprehension but still funny. So much win in Konata's half-hour of studying to four hours of nap, reading, playing, etc., and in Kagami's all-night read. Also in Konata's comment about a game (?) where the small-breasted character has an advantage -- Aya being notoriously small-breasted. And Tsukasa's musing: "I guess I'm all right too, then." And I continue to be thrilled with Aya's work as a female kimo-ota. That voice keeps giving me the feeling that Konata doesn't bathe enough, lol.
kj1980, am I right in thinking that the announcement on the KyoAni site says that Yamamoto "hasn't reached the level of director yet"? This is the main thing that makes me think it's bogus.TVアニメーション作品「らき☆すた」監督交代のお知らせ
「らき☆すた」監督の山本寛は、監督において、まだ、その域に達していないと弊社は判断し、交代いたしまし た。
放送第５話から新監督武本康弘のもとスタッフ一丸となって作品制作をしていきます。
引き続きよろしくお願いいたします。
平成19年4月30日
株式会社京都アニメーション
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-29, 18:46
kimo-ota="disgusting otaku," a Japanese catch-word. For others: a producer of GL resigned recently when controversy erupted on 2channel over a change in styles for one episode and it came out that he (I'm not sure why I thought it was she; I'll accept your correction from the GL thread) and a staffer had posted insults on a supposedly private site about kimo-ota on 2channel not knowing anything about animation but thinking they were smarter than anyone else, and about 2channel being the "anus of the Internet." 2channel posters on their GL thread are triumphant. I thought it may be someone of that group finding a way to hack the KyoAni site. There was a lot of negative reaction to Lucky Star on 2channel when it came out. I basically like this show and liked ep4 of GL at least as well as other eps, so I was denigrating the taste of people on 2channel who don't, and making wild accusations against them.
As for comedy anime, I'm sure our tastes differ, but I agree there aren't many I love. Ichigo Mashimaro is my favorite. The current Hayate the Combat Butler is pretty good, too, in a totally different way from either LS or IM.
As for episode 4, the raw is as usual above my Japanese comprehension but still funny. So much win in Konata's half-hour of studying to four hours of nap, reading, playing, etc., and in Kagami's all-night read. Also in Konata's comment about a game (?) where the small-breasted character has an advantage -- Aya being notoriously small-breasted. And Tsukasa's musing: "I guess I'm all right too, then." And I continue to be thrilled with Aya's work as a female kimo-ota. That voice keeps giving me the feeling that Konata doesn't bathe enough, lol.
kj1980, am I right in thinking that the announcement on the KyoAni site says that Yamamoto "hasn't reached the level of director yet"? This is the main thing that makes me think it's bogus.TVアニメーション作品「らき☆すた」監督交代のお知らせ
「らき☆すた」監督の山本寛は、監督において、まだ、その域に達していないと弊社は判断し、交代いたしまし た。
放送第5話から新監督武本康弘のもとスタッフ一丸となって作品制作をしていきます。
引き続きよろしくお願いいたします。
平成19年4月30日
株式会社京都アニメーション
That's a word I would like to add to my vocabulary. Thank you for providing its definition, it will come in handy for sure in the future.
Also on the game discussion with the character having an advantage. I wonder if its an H-Game, because I've noticed the small-breasted characters in H-RPG's and Strategy games always seem to be either event-loss bosses, or very very powerful. From my point of view, Konata speaks the truth.
The next ep looks really good, especially for those critics who say they "don't do anything" in this series, cuz they're going to a summer festival.
What I don't get is that we assume Konata and the Hiiragi sisters have been friends since at least 1st year of HS, yet they were surprised when Kona told them her mom died when she was little. I think somewhere in the first year that would be revealed in some way.
I hope Kona drags her friends to the Comike or the Comp Matsuri. Those would definitely provide for some great laughs.
BTW, am I the only one who enjoys the fashion in this series? Each of the girls' fashion suits their characters. Kagami is always well dressed. One would imagine she pours through fashion magazines and always buys what's in-style at the moment. Tsukasa dresses much more casual and wears "cute" things suited to girls her age, or maybe even younger. Just the opposite is Miyuki, who is very lady-like in her appearance always in long skirts and long sleeves. Least fashionalbe, unsurprisingly, is Kona, who dresses like a tomboy, and is mostly seen in t-shirts and shorts.
WanderingKnight
2007-04-29, 19:31
BTW, am I the only one who enjoys the fashion in this series? Each of the girls' fashion suits their characters. Kagami is always well dressed. One would imagine she pours through fashion magazines and always buys what's in-style at the moment. Tsukasa dresses much more casual and wears "cute" things suited to girls her age, or maybe even younger. Just the opposite is Miyuki, who is very lady-like in her appearance always in long skirts and long sleeves. Least fashionalbe, unsurprisingly, is Kona, who dresses like a tomboy, and is mostly seen in t-shirts and shorts.
Well, yeah, it's nice, but I think Ichigo Mashimaro beats every anime in terms of different informal (and pretty original) dressing styles. Especially the manga. That's why it doesn't surprise me anymore :p. It'd have to be really good to beat IM at that :D
Kagami is reading Tokikake; the movie version is produced by...Kadokawa.
*Rushes out to buy book, ltd edition DVD*
Kurogane_Shiroikaze
2007-04-29, 20:07
Hmm, the announcement on KyoAni's site is still up. It's already 10am in Japan and I'm pretty sure someone would have noticed by now. Either it really is true or the vandals locked KyoAni out of their server.
I guess we'll have to wait and see.
LS has a great "wardrobe designer", even though the overall design of the shows seems minimalistic.
Random thought:
Hirano Aya's mimicry of Nohara Shinosuke's voice is superb. GJ!
Since I have only watched Shin-chan in spanish dub, I had to search for this:
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Crayon Shin-chan
Aya got him just right :heh:.
MakubeX2
2007-04-29, 20:32
For an uptight person, just how does Kagamin knows about To Heart ?
In the manga, they go through a lot of clothing and fashion outside of school. Kudos to the animators for reflecting that...
For an uptight person, just how does Kagamin knows about To Heart ?
Konata told her? :3
Kaoru Chujo
2007-04-29, 20:37
Hmm, the announcement on KyoAni's site is still up. It's already 10am in Japan and I'm pretty sure someone would have noticed by now. Either it really is true or the vandals locked KyoAni out of their server. I guess we'll have to wait and see.Since it's ten a.m., I'm coming to the conclusion it's for real. Although my Google calendar says it's a holiday in Japan, so maybe not.
I've just skimmed 2channel, and people are wondering if he mismanaged the budget or the schedule. There is a note on the KyoAni website issuing a call for background artists around the beginning of April. Maybe that's for LS? I think the director is as much an administrator as anything, since he oversees all the staff, but they do the work. Although he did do the storyboard and epsiode direction for this episode. Haven't noticed for the others.
Someone said he offended Square Enix, thought I'm not sure how. By some reference to one of their titles? People who like the show say it doesn't matter who the director is as long as they keep the same atmosphere. One person said it would be a shame if he and KyoAni split, since he was responsible for ep00 and the ED of SHnY. As you say, we'll have to wait and see.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-29, 20:38
The next ep looks really good, especially for those critics who say they "don't do anything" in this series, cuz they're going to a summer festival.
What I don't get is that we assume Konata and the Hiiragi sisters have been friends since at least 1st year of HS, yet they were surprised when Kona told them her mom died when she was little. I think somewhere in the first year that would be revealed in some way.
I hope Kona drags her friends to the Comike or the Comp Matsuri. Those would definitely provide for some great laughs.
BTW, am I the only one who enjoys the fashion in this series? Each of the girls' fashion suits their characters. Kagami is always well dressed. One would imagine she pours through fashion magazines and always buys what's in-style at the moment. Tsukasa dresses much more casual and wears "cute" things suited to girls her age, or maybe even younger. Just the opposite is Miyuki, who is very lady-like in her appearance always in long skirts and long sleeves. Least fashionalbe, unsurprisingly, is Kona, who dresses like a tomboy, and is mostly seen in t-shirts and shorts.
What The?! They do ton's of things in this show. Who says that?!
Maybe the problem is that its everyday life stuff that the girls (Yeah...GIRLS! Funny that I don't remember seeing a single male until like episode 3 and even then none of them have any lines) poke fun at. I guess if the sun were to explode that would count as something happening, but clearly highlighting what it's like to ride a crowded train in the middle of summer is not "Doing Something". Hmmmm.....
@Kaoru Chuujo: The Square-Enix claim would refer to the Dragon Quest V joke, but they censored the spell names out. Maybe it had something to do with them clearly stating the name Bianca (http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/4386/dq5pics/bianca2.jpg), which if I recall wasn't censored. Though if companies are becoming that anal about their products in Japan now the future of anime is bleak. The bleeping trend is getting ridiculous. I can clearly remember a time, it was barely even a year ago, where you didn't even have to do that. I think the first case of it happening was in Haruhi where she commanded them to launch the Gundam. In fact the referencing in Pani Poni Dash was far more blatant than in this show (They outright copied the eyecatch from SPT Layzner, which is a Sunrise series, making it a huge risk). Maybe it's saying the name that is somehow dangerous now.
MakubeX2
2007-04-29, 20:42
Since it's ten a.m., I'm coming to the conclusion it's for real. Although my Google calendar says it's a holiday in Japan, so maybe not.
If I'm not mistaken, it's Golden Week in Japan starting today. But the truth will be out next week nevethless, we will find out soon enough.
WanderingKnight
2007-04-29, 20:48
Since I have only watched Shin-chan in spanish dub, I had to search for this:
OMFG! Curse the local Anime channel for only broadcasting dubs... If it wasn't like that, I'd have caught the reference >.<
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Kagami watches a show about a schoolgirl that hefts a machine-gun (yes, that part of the song caught me by surprise)?
:heh:
Golden Week is a bit weird this year (split into two long weekends rather than one week). So I have no idea how that'll affect the tv schedule.
I do know the shops I deal with haven't sent out their usual "we'll be closed this week" messages.
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2007-04-29, 21:30
@Kaoru Chuujo: The Square-Enix claim would refer to the Dragon Quest V joke, but they censored the spell names out. Maybe it had something to do with them clearly stating the name Bianca (http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Bay/4386/dq5pics/bianca2.jpg), which if I recall wasn't censored.
Well, I think it could be easily explained... Spells in DQ are unique to the franchise, so it is likely to have been copyrighted. But Bianca, as uncommon a name as it might be, is still not a unique name. Thus there would not be any way to copyright it.:)
dahl_moon
2007-04-29, 21:35
Hm... found the TV series Kagami is more likely to watch, since this one is circa 2006.
Oxm5R8SVQWc Seems pretty normal until around the 3:30 mark, where the "girl in sailor uniform" goes to some Yakuza (acquaintance of her parents?), and storms some office with a machine gun....
Not exactly what I'd expect Kagami to watch:heh:
Hm... found the TV series Kagami is more likely to watch, since this one is circa 2006.
Oxm5R8SVQWc Seems pretty normal until around the 3:30 mark, where the "girl in sailor uniform" goes to some Yakuza (acquaintance of her parents?), and storms some office with a machine gun....
Not exactly what I'd expect Kagami to watch:heh:
Maybe Konata was hinting at something when she called Kagami a "psycho" in Ep03? :heh: You know... after bearing too much pressure and suffering too much stress from her daily life, Kagami goes bonkers and starts going on a killing spree. :heh: Cases of "model students" going stark raving mad are not unheard of, after all. :D
Cheers.
This episode is reference hell. There was just one reference after another. (DBZ, Keroro, and it goes on and on and on...)
I'll accept your correction from the GL thread) and a staffer had posted insults on a supposedly private site about kimo-ota on 2channel not knowing anything about animation but thinking they were smarter than anyone else, and about 2channel being the "anus of the Internet." 2channel posters on their GL thread are triumphant.
It wasn't a private site. It was on mixi which is the japanese equivalent of livejournal except requires a login.
Hmm, the announcement on KyoAni's site is still up. It's already 10am in Japan and I'm pretty sure someone would have noticed by now. Either it really is true or the vandals locked KyoAni out of their server.
Errr... maybe it's not a hack? The hack theory was the least plausible of any of them. The timing is completely wrong for a hack. It's possibly an official joke at Gainax and the whole incident Kaoru mentioned earlier.
Kaoru Chujo
2007-04-29, 23:01
...It wasn't a private site. It was on mixi which is the japanese equivalent of livejournal except requires a login...Errr... maybe it's not a hack? The hack theory was the least plausible of any of them. The timing is completely wrong for a hack. It's possibly an official joke at Gainax and the whole incident Kaoru mentioned earlier.Thanks for the correction about mixi. I guess they thought it was private.
Yeah, my hack idea is clutching at straws, all right. Although I'm not sure why the timing is wrong.
The joke at Gainax is one of the theories current on 2channel, although some people there say it would more destroy KyoAni's credibility than anything else.
One thing about it, it's sure beefing up the number of posts in the LC thread on 2channel. They've burned through over 3000 posts in 12 hours, I believe. A smaller percentage about the actual episode there than here.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-29, 23:04
This episode is reference hell. There was just one reference after another. (DBZ, Keroro, and it goes on and on and on...)
It wasn't a private site. It was on mixi which is the japanese equivalent of livejournal except requires a login.
Errr... maybe it's not a hack? The hack theory was the least plausible of any of them. The timing is completely wrong for a hack. It's possibly an official joke at Gainax and the whole incident Kaoru mentioned earlier.
If that's their idea of a joke it shows an unprecedented lack of class and respect for other studios. Studios should be respectful to one another in times of hardship, not making light of other people's misfortune. Akai is a very accomplished man and it's a shame things have turned out this way, so it would be nothing short of disgusting for another studio to poke fun at his unfortunate circumstances.
Seriously, though I'd wait and see. The only way this works out good for Kyoto Animation is if it is indeed a hacker causing trouble on their website. From there its a spectrum of increasingly worse scenarios going first to it being real and Kyoto Animation struggling with the series and embarassing their director, to them making up some cock and bull story to stir up discussion about their least well-received series to date, and then to it possibly being an extremely unfunny and completely uncalled for insult slung at Gainax and Akai.
In the last case, an official apology is the only thing that would ever restore Kyoto Animation's reputation to even half of what it is now.
Nightengale
2007-04-29, 23:06
The joke at Gainax is one of the theories current on 2channel, although some people there say it would more destroy KyoAni's credibility than anything else.
I sincerely hope not. I wasn't fond of this "director-change" fiasco, more so with the "not yet ready" demeaning comment, but if it's solely to make a joke at the Gainax affair, it's really a little too much even for a joke. Sure, Gainax has it's share of self-blame for shooting out towards their own market audience, but considering what came about from the Gainax controversy, really...it shouldn't be mentioned again, much less made a joke off. Kyoto Animation must be really insensitive if they did that.
Sailorfuku to Kikanjuu is actually a pretty popular series in Japanese TV history. It's probably the progenitor of the billion-and-one yazkuza/ex-yakuza going to HS as a student or teacher, etc.
It centers on a HS girl who was the daughter of a yakuza boss and takes over the family business while maintaining her "normal" life as a HS girl. I think it suits Kagami's "model student" exterior masking her competitiveness and psycho outbursts.
Sailorfuku to Kikanjuu is actually a pretty popular series in Japanese TV history. It's probably the progenitor of the billion-and-one yazkuza/ex-yakuza going to HS as a student or teacher, etc.
It centers on a HS girl who was the daughter of a yakuza boss and takes over the family business while maintaining her "normal" life as a HS girl. I think it suits Kagami's "model student" exterior masking her competitiveness and psycho outbursts.
Is there any english subtitled DVD out there? I hear there are two versions; if true, which one is the best? Thanks.
I'm really curious about it because of the plot outline :heh: .
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-29, 23:13
I sincerely hope not. I wasn't fond of this "director-change" fiasco, more so with the "not yet ready" demeaning comment, but if it's solely to make a joke at the Gainax affair, it's really a little too much even for a joke. Sure, Gainax has it's share of self-blame for shooting out towards their own market audience, but considering what came about from the Gainax controversy, really...it shouldn't be mentioned again, much less made a joke off. Kyoto Animation must be really insensitive if they did that.
Yet even if it is the case, I bet it would all blow over without any reprecussions from 2chan or blog posters. They'd probably spin it so it was somehow funny, because Kyoto Animation is immune to criticism and is god. If it is supposed to be a "joke" and it does backfire, I would actually be quite surprised.
Though in my case I would have zero respect for them for the forseeable future barring a formal apology and would drop this series and boycott all future works in protest.
The question now is if Kyoto Animation "Wants To Be Startin' Somethin' ".
The layers on this just keep adding up. The follow-up is definitely going to be one for the books.
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2007-04-29, 23:53
Though in my case I would have zero respect for them for the forseeable future barring a formal apology and would drop this series and boycott all future works in protest.
I really didn't want to bring this up, but you just kept saying this over and over...
How much respect do you actually have for KyoAni to begin with? Last I checked, you have either suspected or accused them of every sin in the corporate world whenever possible. It just sounds like a hollow threat...:confused:
Oh, and unless you were planning to buy their merchandise or dvds, do be clear that your supposed "protest" by stop watching fansubs means nothing. In fact, it would be for the better if you drop the series right now and give all our ears a rest.
I'm having trouble even wondering what is being talked about at this point. We don't really have any verification of a director change nor do we know that a transfer of directors wasn't planned from the beginning. There's some counter-noise. Many series go through more than one director.
Now I wouldn't put it past *anyone* to poke a bit at what was a really stupid-silly incident over at Gainax.
The series is what the series is....
Yeah, my hack idea is clutching at straws, all right. Although I'm not sure why the timing is wrong.
Well, maybe I should say, the timing for a joke/actual announcement was more right. It appeared soon after the episode aired. Also, with something as "news worthy" as this, unless they are all on vacation in Okinawa(?), they would have been able to remove it if it wasn't supposed to be there immediately.
(Yes, that is meant to be a reference to the same episode of death note as in ep 4.)
Is there any english subtitled DVD out there? I hear there are two versions; if true, which one is the best? Thanks.
I'm really curious about it because of the plot outline :heh: .
There are 2 versions. The 1981 original and the 2006 remake. I've only seen parts of the 2nd, but it really didn't catch my fancy, because like I said, see one yakuza/HS mashup and you've seen them all. Your best bet would be DLing the series on a place like www.d-addicts.com
Here's an exact link:
http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/torrents.php?search=sailor&type=&sub=View+all&sort=
About the whole director brouhaha. My take is, "Big f'n deal." Now if the quality of the series slips, THEN we can start gnashing teeth, throwing chairs, etc. I bet the series is pretty much written and story-boarded through the end, so I think the machine is still good-to-go. If the quality doesn't drop, I could care less who's getting credit for it.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-30, 00:57
I really didn't want to bring this up, but you just kept saying this over and over...
How much respect do you actually have for KyoAni to begin with? Last I checked, you have either suspected or accused them of every sin in the corporate world whenever possible. It just sounds like a hollow threat...:confused:
Oh, and unless you were planning to buy their merchandise or dvds, do be clear that your supposed "protest" by stop watching fansubs means nothing. In fact, it would be for the better if you drop the series right now and give all our ears a rest.
Just wait and see what happens. I'm only speculating. At this point the statement is probably true and they are switching directors.
The answer to your question is I would not support or associate myself in any way with a company that did such a thing. It has nothing to do with my criticisms of Kyoto Animation, but with my belief in civility and respect in the public domain. These companies take it upon themselves to uphold a certain level of respectful and honest conduct when doing business and it should be reflected in their actions. That's how it is. It has nothing to do with empty threats or trying to punish the company, but with me being able to know that I have upheld my own firm beliefs.
For now I will do as you say and let it pan out however as I have been taking it a bit too far without knowing the truth of the matter. Right now I'm mostly posturing as you say, but if the time does come (God willing it won't) I will hold my word.
kj1980, am I right in thinking that the announcement on the KyoAni site says that Yamamoto "hasn't reached the level of director yet"? This is the main thing that makes me think it's bogus.TVアニメーション作品「らき☆すた」監督交代のお知らせ
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I believe it isn't bogus. There are Japanese overtones that need to be taken into consideration.
Written: "We [Kyoto Animation] decided that Director Yamamoto hasn't reached the capacity to direct yet"
Hidden overtone that I feel (of course, it could be wrong): "Director Yamamoto came to us and after a lengthy discussion he asked to be taken off the position as a director of the pressure and that he had much more to learn"
Rationale: Falling under pressure is shown as a weakness in Japanese society. Hence rather putting the blame on one person, the company takes its place and euphemizes the wording that a staff change is being made.
Being an animator is one thing, being a director is another. Just because you can make (draw) anime doesn't mean you can make (direct) one. Becoming a director includes whole different level of responsibility - one that includes being and coordinating schedules, overseeing the progress of the series in its entireity, keeping within acceptable limits of the budget, and being one of the members to appease to the shows' sponsors. Seeing his track records, the closest relevant job description is being an 演出 (unit director) who directs and oversees the progress of the anime from the storyboard process. He may have the ability to do some of the responsibilities of a director, but perhaps he may not have had much experience when it comes to budget and making outside communication with sponsors and the like?
Well, that's my speculation so I could be off by 180 degrees.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-30, 02:28
I believe it isn't bogus. There are Japanese overtones that need to be taken into consideration.
Written: "We [Kyoto Animation] decided that Director Yamamoto hasn't reached the capacity to direct yet"
Hidden overtone that I feel (of course, it could be wrong): "Director Yamamoto came to us and after a lengthy discussion he asked to be taken off the position as a director of the pressure and that he had much more to learn"
Rationale: Falling under pressure is shown as a weakness in Japanese society. Hence rather putting the blame on one person, the company takes its place an euphemizes the wording that a staff change is being made.
Being an animator is one thing, being a director is another. Just because you can make (draw) anime doesn't mean you can make (direct) one. Becoming a director includes whole different level of responsibility - one that includes being and coordinating schedules, overseeing the progress of the series in its entireity, keeping within acceptable limits of the budget, and being one of the members to appease to the shows' sponsors. Seeing his track records, the closest relevant job description is being an 演出 (unit director) who directs and oversees the progress of the anime from the storyboard process. He may have the ability to do some of the responsibilities of a director, but perhaps he may not have had much experience when it comes to budget and making outside communication with sponsors and the like?
Well, that's my speculation so I could be off by 180 degrees.
Ohhhh.... The translation I got was "Has reached his limits", which seemed kind of like a humiliating statement. Your interpretation makes it seem more like the company has taken the burden of fault off of Yasuhiro and stated, "We made a mistake, Yasuhiro is not the director we have in mind for the series after all. We put him in the chair too early and apologize". I have heard of the importance of saving face in Japanese business culture (An infamous example is what Nintendo did to Gunpei Yokoi after the Virtual Boy fiasco. They kept him visibly on staff, but didn't allow him to make any more important decisions or didn't take his recommendations into consideration. Essentially what this did was make it look as if nothing had gone exceptionally wrong externally and allow him to save face. In reality however, Yokoi was devasted by the failure of the Virtual Boy and people at Nintendo had lost faith in him. He was finished as far as his career with Nintendo was concerned.) and this interpretation seems more in line with the traditional practice rather than trying to pin the blame on him like I interpreted it. A company as a whole can absorb more damage than a single person essentially.
Kaoru Chujo
2007-04-30, 03:17
>>kj1980: Thanks for that fascinating thesis. Seems very possible, the way you say it. Makes me see how that press release might not be the slap in the face I thought it was. It was as if they were saying: "He is an important young member of our family, and we don't want to rush his progress." And it gives me hope that he can keep directing OP/EDs and episodes and doing storyboards for KyoAni productions, all of which he seems to be very good at. He created the SHnY ED, after all. But directing a show is like being the administrator responsible, as well as a creator. Maybe he's not cut out for that, and maybe he will be when he learns more. I think he's done well with Lucky Star, artistically.
kj1980: sounds much more like a professional situation that I'd expect from a company than some juvenile drama-fest. Thanks for the subtle clarification in translation.
I thought his product was doing nicely (1st few episodes) - if the criteria is "does it reflect the source material well" then he passed that criteria easily.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-30, 03:46
I have this strange feeling that even though the style and spirit of the series is obviously going to remain the same, peoples perceptions of it are going to wildly flucuate suddenly as of episode 5. I can almost see peoples comments on blogs being all over the place with "UGH It sucks now, they ruined it" or "Wow it's so much better now with a new director". I can hardly wait for the new drama to begin. Oh Joy! :eyespin:
Seriously though, I can't really see much changing. It's still going to be a 4Koma, Konata will still be the Lucky Star, they'll still be making fun of Miyuki for being nothing but a poster girl for Moe and they'll still be referencing games and old anime. Ultimately, I bet the pressure just got to him and he didn't think he could handle it like KJ said.
Kagami is reading Tokikake; the movie version is produced by...Kadokawa.
*Rushes out to buy book, ltd edition DVD*
So It's Tokikake? The original novel from Tsutsui or something based on the new movie?
Woland, I am guessing it is the original novella.
In the case of the Virtual Boy though Gunpei wasn't directly at fault. It's a great machine, and was/is far ahead of its time. It was the lack of support Nintendo had when it came to pushing the product that resulted in its failure, the biggest of which was very limited party support (only 22 games total were ever produced), poor advertising (saying it was portable when it actually wasn't), and with the Nintendo 64 right around the corner the company had more important things to worry about. All they really cared about was having a product out to steal the light from the Playstation, since the Super NES/Famicom was on its way out and the Nintendo 64 was facing more delays.
In short, it was dead on arrival. Gunpei took the fall, however his legacy is the huge portable market that kept Nintendo alive when Sony rose to power and dominated.
It's a good Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Virtual_Boy) read on the summation of the life and death of the Virtual Boy.
Personally I think the only problem with Lucky Star is that it's a victim of hype. Expectations ran high, it didn't deliver for those people, and thus there's a backlash from those who want it to be something it's not.
Yet even if it is the case, I bet it would all blow over without any reprecussions from 2chan or blog posters. They'd probably spin it so it was somehow funny, because Kyoto Animation is immune to criticism and is god. If it is supposed to be a "joke" and it does backfire, I would actually be quite surprised.
Though in my case I would have zero respect for them for the forseeable future barring a formal apology and would drop this series and boycott all future works in protest.
The question now is if Kyoto Animation "Wants To Be Startin' Somethin' ".
The layers on this just keep adding up. The follow-up is definitely going to be one for the books.
Would that also mean you'd refrain from commenting on their shows like a bazillion times a day? If so I hope it's true... ;)
Ok, I have watched the Lucky Channel part and... I'm mistaking something or Shiraishi said nyoro~n in his introduction? :heh: (and much of Tsukasa expressions for the episode, more than the past ones, resemble churuya-chan art-style).
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-30, 10:20
Would that also mean you'd refrain from commenting on their shows like a bazillion times a day? If so I hope it's true... ;)
I think you are missing the point in what I'm trying to say with that post.
Kurogane_Shiroikaze
2007-04-30, 10:27
Would that also mean you'd refrain from commenting on their shows like a bazillion times a day? If so I hope it's true... ;)
He's tsundere for KyoAni. ;)
On a serious note, the announcement is still up. So I guess the news is real after all.
In the case of the Virtual Boy though Gunpei wasn't directly at fault. It's a great machine, and was/is far ahead of its time. It was the lack of support Nintendo had when it came to pushing the product that resulted in its failure, the biggest of which was very limited party support (only 22 games total were ever produced), poor advertising (saying it was portable when it actually wasn't), and with the Nintendo 64 right around the corner the company had more important things to worry about. All they really cared about was having a product out to steal the light from the Playstation, since the Super NES/Famicom was on its way out and the Nintendo 64 was facing more delays.
In short, it was dead on arrival. Gunpei took the fall, however his legacy is the huge portable market that kept Nintendo alive when Sony rose to power and dominated.
It's a good Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Virtual_Boy) read on the summation of the life and death of the Virtual Boy.
Personally I think the only problem with Lucky Star is that it's a victim of hype. Expectations ran high, it didn't deliver for those people, and thus there's a backlash from those who want it to be something it's not.
Dunno how the heck we got off on the virtual boy, but if you notice the shape of the controller, it's pretty much the progenitor of the Wavebird controller (for the GC), and even though they're not analog, the dual control sticks have pretty much become the industry standard (until the Wii changed that completely).
I think many people keep forgetting that the series is based on source material that has at least 3 volumes to work with. A new director might change a bit of style or emphasis... but unless they deviate from the source material substantially -- the director's main job is just to organize, adapt, and reflect the 4-koma events. KyoAni has shown very little history of "taking stories in new directions (blahblahblah)". The series was almost certainly storyboarded from start to finish but given its "comedy sketch" format - it'd be easy enough for them to move modules around or drop/add a few pieces based on what appeals.
Things to watch for: gag sketch transitions and if they change... how the "original content" Lucky Channel evolves... we should expect the focus of the story gags to shift a bit simply because we should start seeing the teacher, policeofficer, and Kona-dad gags start to appear in a few episodes.
I keep comparing the structural and thematic format of this show to the old Peanuts classics (which were also stitched together sketches of the comic material to a large extent).
Ffenix Rising
2007-04-30, 13:10
I wouldn't be surprised even with the change in directors that the essence of the show will remain the same. Too much drama/bitchin' over nothing. I don't know how a mellow yonkoma series becomes so hotly debated. Please calm down.
Kaoru Chujo
2007-04-30, 13:26
I agree that the show will probably not change much, if at all. It gives us the comic very well. I'm hoping Yamamoto will continue to direct episodes and do storyboards. As for "drama over nothing," give me a break: it's not every day that a director is sacked. It deserves a lot of analysis. My take is that it has little or nothing to do with the artistic side of the show, but is mainly because of the administrative stuff. We'll see.
Ffenix Rising
2007-04-30, 13:49
As for "drama over nothing," give me a break: it's not every day that a director is sacked. It deserves a lot of analysis. My take is that it has little or nothing to do with the artistic side of the show, but is mainly because of the administrative stuff. We'll see.
That's what I said, and I agree with you. Heck, I'm not even sure if Lucky Star even has a "series director" (unless I missed that little fact somehow.) It might be just a change in "episode director" much like all the other KyoAni series to date. I mean, Suzumiya Haruhi has 9 episode directors, NINE!
In essence, it can still be Yutaka Yamamoto's series, but with different directors all throughout 24 episodes.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-04-30, 13:51
In looking at some of the screencaps of the episodes, this episode looks like its shaping up to be a really solid one. I'm actually anticipating this episode quite a bit more than the other ones.
Plus if anything it's probably going to give me a nosebleed or have me gasping for breath, with all the loli looking girls in summer clothing and pajama's. Dirty Tricksters at Kyoto Animation are trying to strike at my weak points...grrrrr. :p To bad they still aren't getting any money from me. Ahahahahahaha..... *Homesar Runs away to watch more Daily Show* *PShoooooo!*
I think many people keep forgetting that the series is based on source material that has at least 3 volumes to work with.
4 volumes plus other strips that haven't made it to a book yet.
KyoAni has pulled the strips all over the place.
eg the Crane Game one in EP02 was from Vol 4 and some in this EP aren't found in book format yet.
It's interesting seeing how KyoAni is mixing it up like that and all the added material they're throwing in.
As for the episode itself,
the sudden appearance of the 元気玉, Crayon Shin-chan, the Some-day-in-the-Rain EP 2ch flame, Konata's savior who coined the phase 貧乳はスータスだ poster, more confirmation that Kagami is a closet otaku (ヤマト, ボンタ君, To Heart, Haruhi)... and Tsukasa's pure innocence ヨグルトですか？ のど・はな風邪
I like how they changed the excuse segment and how Nanako knew the reference as well. LOL ugu~
Anywho, in Kona-chan terms, Yui-chan entrance flag was been set.
Now for more my-pace characters ^^
Personal wish for future episodes.
To animate Konata taking Kagami to the "festival"
You fail to properly document your receipts!!!! Where are your outsourcing contracts!!
(yes, sometimes creative people take a hit because that mundane "must be done" stuff got ignored)
edit: gah... even more anxious to see ep 4 now.... and the festival would be a great thing to see animated.
I think you are missing the point in what I'm trying to say with that post.
I got what you were saying
;926176']So It's Tokikake? The original novel from Tsutsui or something based on the new movie?
the original book (http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E6%99%82%E3%82%92%E3%81%8B%E3%81%91%E3%82%8B%E5%B 0%91%E5%A5%B3-%E3%80%88%E6%96%B0%E8%A3%85%E7%89%88%E3%80%89-%E7%AD%92%E4%BA%95-%E5%BA%B7%E9%9A%86/dp/4041305217/ref=sr_1_7/249-1225797-7872351?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1177963700&sr=8-7)
MakubeX2
2007-05-01, 06:45
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/6050/1178015594726as8.jpg
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8132/1178019317359tf2.jpg
Poster drawn by Mitsumi Misato circa 2002.
^Am I the only one who is a little disturbed by the fact that Konata has posters of adult games girls in her room? :heh: :p
(I think I saw one of Mayumi from Shuffle too)
Deathkillz
2007-05-01, 12:40
^Am I the only one who is a little disturbed by the fact that Konata has posters of adult games girls in her room? :heh: :p
(I think I saw one of Mayumi from Shuffle too)
she has a hidden yuri side to her you know :3
and that was a nice catch MakubeX2 O.o ~ (just wishes ep 4 to be subbed soon >.<)
I the only one who is a little disturbed by the fact that Konata has posters of adult games girls in her room?
Well, it does need to be shown that Konata is a true Otaku..
Kaoru Chujo
2007-05-01, 13:43
2channel, in the 52nd thread on LS (i.e., now over 51,000 posts) is having a long discussion about which browser Konata is using to access 2channel in episode 4. One person said she was just using IE, which puts a greater load on the 2channel servers than using one of the many specialized 2channel browsers, so she was not a true otaku. But people have demonstrated with screencaps that she is using one of the browsers. The hotly debated question is which one.
Screencaps of Konata on 2channel and of a couple of the 2channel browsers:
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8489/uporg7941851dg1.th.jpg (http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8489/uporg7941851dg1.jpg) http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3999/vip4990821aa8.th.jpg (http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3999/vip4990821aa8.jpg) http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/3043/up0273as8.th.jpg (http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/3043/up0273as8.jpg)
Personally, I use 2ch Tsubo on top of Firefox, so that I can use the rikaichan dictionary. Does anyone know if there are other browsers that would work with Firefox that way?
^Am I the only one who is a little disturbed by the fact that Konata has posters of adult games girls in her room? :heh: :p
(I think I saw one of Mayumi from Shuffle too)
Kona is who she is, yo :)
Tatsumiko
2007-05-01, 14:09
Ahh....can't.find.this.ep ><''
(starts searching again)
That's because it hasn't been released by any of the fansub groups yet (look for LC in the next day or two if they're being consistent).
Its only available in raw at the moment....
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8489/uporg7941851dg1.th.jpg (http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8489/uporg7941851dg1.jpg) [
OMG! I think I saw a Nanoha figure on her PC!!
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-01, 17:43
OMG! I think I saw a Nanoha figure on her PC!!
Those are indistinguishable vaguely humanoid (but still kind of blobby) looking shapes. How can you be so certain of this?
Have you been drinking by any chance? :joke:
Anyway now I know why 2chan is so messed up, it's occupied by tiny little girls who have ceased being able to tell the difference between Games and Reality. Again we have an ambiguous scenario where this can be interpeted as either being in support of Otakuism (Kona visits your favourite websites), or a scathing critique of it (She's kind of loopy, what does that say about the regulars).
Lucky Star continues to amuse me with its impressive ability to unite factions of anime fans for a collective roasting rather than divide them (My own personal little "I Have A Dream" concerning the future of anime that is working out beyond my wildest imagination), by providing no one clear punchline to its jokes.
Those are indistinguishable vaguely humanoid (but still kind of blobby) looking shapes. How can you be so certain of this?
Have you been drinking by any chance? :joke:
I agree, they look like those generic little decorative figurines that people tend to somehow accumulate.. I don't know how many of those things I have at home. (At school, my work area has Pinky:St figures scattered everywhere.. I cannot *wait!* for the Haruhi ones to come out. :heh: )
As for the episode itself.. man, I would've watched episode four last night had VLC not been freaking out on me... sometimes it does that. :uhoh:
I don't know if you remember a television show called "Beavis & Butthead" which lampooned the outrageously stupid and drug-addled teen population of idiots and empty end of the genepool. Guess who it was enormously popular with? :)
(The characters were the sort of people you avoided even if you were a metalhead and made the people who lived in "Wayne's World" look positively genius and sensitive by comparison)
Now, Lucky*Star is pretty gentle in its lampooning ... but a lot of us do see elements of ourselves in the characters.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-01, 18:12
I agree, they look like those generic little decorative figurines that people tend to somehow accumulate.. I don't know how many of those things I have at home. (At school, my work area has Pinky:St figures scattered everywhere.. I cannot *wait!* for the Haruhi ones to come out. :heh: )
As for the episode itself.. man, I would've watched episode four last night had VLC not been freaking out on me... sometimes it does that. :uhoh:
Man I've been reading a lot about people having computer troubles the past few days. I had some of my own when I installed Java SE 6.0 Update 1, causing Opera to constantly revert its settings, Azureus to crash on load and Alcohol 120% not to boot. Before it could do anymore damage it was gone with a quick visit to my Add/Remove list. Whatever you do, don't install it or it will kill your Java programs, Wait for an announcement from Sun Microsystems.
I just use Media Player Classic. Everything's built in and it uses almost no system resources. It also seems to play everything.
Mirrinus
2007-05-01, 18:38
I don't know if you remember a television show called "Beavis & Butthead" which lampooned the outrageously stupid and drug-addled teen population of idiots and empty end of the genepool. Guess who it was enormously popular with? :)
(The characters were the sort of people you avoided even if you were a metalhead and made the people who lived in "Wayne's World" look positively genius and sensitive by comparison)
Now, Lucky*Star is pretty gentle in its lampooning ... but a lot of us do see elements of ourselves in the characters.
I think we've all got a bit of a masochistic tendency. It's also not uncommon for people to make fun of the ones they really love. ^_^
Kinda reminds me of Welcome to the NHK! in a very strange sort of way...
WanderingKnight
2007-05-01, 19:12
Kinda reminds me of Welcome to the NHK! in a very strange sort of way...
NHK portrayed some of the most extreme cases I've seen in my entire life. I'm not talking about Satou himself (who, though he has an actually real syndrome, doesn't portray your average otaku), but people like the ultimate hikikomori he meets (the brother of his old class president). NHK was terribly reflexive about it, while LS is just poking fun at it.
Anyone here a Nakano fan? I like her interactions with Kona, especially when Kona is BSing calling in sick. Nakano simply calls her on her BS and tells her to more or less "get her ass to school." I wish there were more teachers like that in real life.
Nakano also seems to pick on Shiraishi in class, as kind of a counterpoint to Kona. Not because he's a model student, but because he's a slacker, and Kona an even bigger slacker.
Nakano ... I love her accent and she manages to retain class authority while being an obvious carouser.
CrowKenobi
2007-05-02, 00:15
LC's sub is out. I'm going to try it and see what the fuss is about... :D
Happy Leeching! :p
:cool:
Tatsumiko
2007-05-02, 02:27
Its out?!!...Alright!!!....
this better not be a joke or something..><''
CrowKenobi
2007-05-02, 02:41
Its out?!!...Alright!!!....
this better not be a joke or something..><''No joke! Observe: [LC]Lucky Star Ep 4 (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=46841)
I just watched it, and just based off of LC's sub, I can give this ep a 9 but I'm going to wait for a.f.k.'s sub to make my final judgment. As to the subs themselves, I thought that some of the word choices could've been better, and it probably wouldn't hurt to go through the editing pass one more time. :)
:cool:
Aya Reiko
2007-05-02, 03:21
No joke! Observe: [LC]Lucky Star Ep 4 (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=46841)
I just watched it, and just based off of LC's sub, I can give this ep a 9 but I'm going to wait for a.f.k.'s sub to make my final judgment. As to the subs themselves, I thought that some of the word choices could've been better, and it probably wouldn't hurt to go through the editing pass one more time. :)
:cool:
And a spell-checker too. :rolleyes:
well.. thats why they call them "speed subs" ... nuance and quality figure less than speed.
Watched EnA's ep 3 .... I'm still preferring their translation. The egg/sausage joke was dimmed a bit (mostly only the egg got through) but otherwise I thought they handled the dialog pretty well.
Someone told me that if one is really into the details then Wind's may be the ticket: next time I get a few 100 spare megabytes of schedule, I'll take a look at theirs.
Anime Online
2007-05-02, 04:22
No fighting games this week, but Lucky Star is not without a fighting game reference this week! I'm wondering how long they can keep this up.
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4133/konata04ti1.th.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=konata04ti1.jpg)
Figurine in Konata's room
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/8132/terryez6.th.jpg (http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=terryez6.jpg)
Terry Bogard from the fighting game Fatal Fury
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4133/konata04ti1.th.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=konata04ti1.jpg)
That little figure to the left of the big one reminds me of L from Death Note, with the mass of crazy black hair, white shirt, and blue jeans. I highly doubt it is, but I just wanted to mention it. :p
Telliamed
2007-05-02, 05:19
I've got to stop watching Lucky☆Star at 3am. I nearly woke up my housemates a couple of times during this episode.
I am now officially in love with Kuroi Nanako. Sensei is a gamer! I'd have been in so much trouble if any of my teachers ever played online with me.
I've gotta do screenshots to summarize this ep.
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/944/LC4_01.jpg
Please tell me that's not an analog connector. Blasphemy!
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/2867/LC4_02.jpg
Maybe this will stop all the HaruhiHeads from bitching... or not.
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/5499/LC4_03.jpg
Sorry, Kona-chan, but I'm gonna have to disagree with you here.
The part I laughed hardest at (actually, that was the first bit with Nanako... but this is close), and it was really unexpected, was the but about cutting the cake. Of course, we keep returning to the infamous how-do-you-eat-food meme. But I have a personal connection to this particular joke.
Do you remember a long while ago when Penny Arcade had a sister-site called The Bench? Anyone could upload comics based on (or not) a template with PA drawings. I did a couple of them, even though I can't draw worth crap. (But after seeing how little talent some other people had, I figured what the hell.) This was one of the jokes I did...
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/8016/benchpiexd4.jpg
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6826/LC4_04.jpg
Black screen for 10 seconds. Obviously done to cut costs.
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4408/LC4_05.jpg
Eh?
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6367/LC4_06.jpg
The background music during this scene sounded familiar. Anyone else recognize it?
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6379/LC4_07.jpg
You just know Konata built that box herself.
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3955/LC4_08.jpg
>>dies<<
I am so getting the raws next week. So what if I can't understand a word they're saying. Having to read subtitles will just distract me from watching cute high school girls in kimono.
edit: Another difference between the twins. Kagami says "shankyu" and Tsukasa says "arigatou".
No fighting games this week, but Lucky Star is not without a fighting game reference this week! I'm wondering how long they can keep this up.
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4133/konata04ti1.th.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=konata04ti1.jpg)
Figurine in Konata's room
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/8132/terryez6.th.jpg (http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=terryez6.jpg)
Terry Bogard from the fighting game Fatal Fury
No it isn't. It's the back end of this guy:
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1359/blahet2.th.jpg (http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blahet2.jpg)
The fighting game reference would be the Akuma toy on her desk when she's trying to study.
I don't even know why exactly, since it wasn't really all that different, but in comparison with the earlier episodes, which I found funny but nothing more, this one was absolutely awesome!
The only thing that I thought was not hilarious this time was the Lucky Channel part, Akira's change of mood-gag is kind of getting old.
Oh, and Kona-chan doesn't only resemble me studying...she IS me studying. :heh:
Kaoru Chujo
2007-05-02, 09:43
I've watched this episode three times now (raw, Chinese sub, English sub) and the line that never fails to force a chuckle out of me is : "Iku." (Konata saying "I'm coming" on the phone after hearing about the cookies.) Hirano Aya's tight little delivery is just so perfect.
I can honestly say that the three performances this season that really do it for me are Aya's here, Kawasumi Ayako's as Nono in Hitohira, and actress Ando Mabuki's as Barsa in Seirei no Moribito. Absolutely top notch, all three. I really never knew Aya had this comedy in her.
EDIT: Just having watched ep5 of Touka Gettan, I have to add Itou Miki's sensual performance as Yumiko and Juna.
And yes, like others, I enjoyed ep4 of LS best. Perhaps we're just getting used to it. Perhaps the show is really finding its rhythm, as has been said.
This is the funniest episode for me out of the rest that's been aired.
It seems like Konata's habit mirrors mine a bit too closely for comfort >.>
Cleaning the room when you don't feel like doing anything, can't get off a manga/novel, watching anime and end up cramming a few hours before going to school.
However, Lucky Channel's gag is getting a bit old for me as well.
errorrrr
2007-05-02, 10:46
the reason Konata resemble a lot of the viewers is clear... Konata resembles a normal anime viewer, and the normal anime viewer watches Konata resemble a normal anime viewer... of course there are similarity between habits, and hobbies, and stuff.
Deathkillz
2007-05-02, 11:43
the reason Konata resemble a lot of the viewers is clear... Konata resembles a normal anime viewer, and the normal anime viewer watches Konata resemble a normal anime viewer... of course there are similarity between habits, and hobbies, and stuff.
hence the gag that it can grasp the heart of an otaku ~ the way konata pushed back her study was like a piece of art...in that i do exactally the same thing XD sometimes the 30 minutes never come about :X
tonnes of referrences in this ep O.o i found it quite amusing that brought the haruhi armband for kagami and and a 2heart uniform for tsukasa...just show how much she wants to annoy kagami :heh:
and i loled when she talked about the nagato ep ~ so is koyani taking a jab at themselves :rolleyes:
errorrrr
2007-05-02, 11:51
hence the gag that it can grasp the heart of an otaku ~ the way konata pushed back her study was like a piece of art...in that i do exactally the same thing XD sometimes the 30 minutes never come about :X
tonnes of referrences in this ep O.o i found it quite amusing that brought the haruhi armband for kagami and and a 2heart uniform for tsukasa...just show how much she wants to annoy kagami :heh:
and i loled when she talked about the nagato ep ~ so is koyani taking a jab at themselves :rolleyes:
also, i am pretty sure you got the irony when kagami went and said "i think it suits you better." which indeed is very ironic; as aya hirano plays konata, gives the haruhi armband to kagami, just to have kagami say that konata is more suited which is indeed true because Aya also does play haruhi XD
Please tell me that's not an analog connector. Blasphemy!
Izumi family doesn't have cable. FYI
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/2867/LC4_02.jpg
Maybe this will stop all the HaruhiHeads from bitching... or not.
Another FYI, see the picture in the background?
That's Izumi Kanata, Konata's mom.
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4408/LC4_05.jpg
Eh?
That's Yamakan - I think.
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/5499/LC4_03.jpg
Sorry, Kona-chan, but I'm gonna have to disagree with you here.
The translation is wrong. She said "There's not much difference between our school's uniform."
One of my favourite scene in ep 4 has to be the one where Konata swings her feet to hit each other when reading manga on her bed. That and the sound effect makes it so cute!! Not that I've watched alot, but I don't think I've ever seen it done in an anime before, serious!
Just wondering, has anyone been able to identify the female figurines in Konata's room? Or have the Japanese fans decided that they are just random background art not modeled after existing figurines?
Btw, check out the real kani fan... :heh:
http://xs115.xs.to/xs115/07183/7357.jpg.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs115&d=07183&f=7357.jpg)
That's Yamakan - I think.Hmm... if that's him, he looks like he is in his 40s when he is just 32 years old.
Tatsumiko
2007-05-02, 15:16
No joke! Observe: [LC]Lucky Star Ep 4 (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=46841)
I just watched it, and just based off of LC's sub, I can give this ep a 9 but I'm going to wait for a.f.k.'s sub to make my final judgment. As to the subs themselves, I thought that some of the word choices could've been better, and it probably wouldn't hurt to go through the editing pass one more time. :)
:cool:
Thank you :)
Kaoru Chujo
2007-05-02, 15:27
That's Yamakan - I think.I think it's probably Ishihara Tatsuya, the director of AIR, Suzumiya Haruhi, and Kanon (and Clannad). Left-hand pics from 2channel:
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/1719/iup373705sv2.th.jpg (http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/1719/iup373705sv2.jpg) http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7687/6331mr0.th.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7687/6331mr0.jpg)
The bottom left photo says "Ishihara Tatsuya." At right is a photo of Yamakan with Hirano Aya.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-02, 15:35
IT BEGINS BADABADA BADA!
Intro: Konata is basically what I was like in my 8:30 lectures. Teacher's should no better than to start asking questions until at least 1 hour into the first period.
At School: Haven't we been over this subject of cramming before. Well regardless my method was to take all my books home with me. I often had a very heavy bag as some textbooks can be as thick as dictionaries. How many hand does a human have (answer: 3 if you are a really hyper Konata). Of course with in three seconds of her excuse for being late I could see she was up all night playing games (like me). Good thing I don't ever play MMO's so my teachers couldn't try to entrap me. (By the way, this is one of those Rie Kugimiya moments that Aya Hirano has occassionally. Love it!) Also don't use excuses ripped from popular Eroge. Also didn't we kind of do this joke already too, though maybe its that Konata is so bad at making excuses, that she used the same one twice and embarassed herself. Tsukasa's kind of dumb and then
At Home: HOLY SMOKES.... *Faints* Konata, Dan Dan Kokoro Hikarete 'ku. Notice the massive animation quality increase for the scene that's designed to turn people on.
The Birthday Bash: I love that sweatdrop noise by the way. I give thee, the gift of referencing shows we worked on (SOS-Dan armband. What the hell is she supposed to do with that). Then its time for a reference to something else entirely unrelated to Kyoto Animation, in this case ToHeart (I think I see a pattern in Konata's gift choices. She really does live the Otaku lifestyle much to the chagrin of her friends). By the way, more seriously in reading the sub note above this scene, I really hope Kyoto Animation came up with this idea on their own and aren't just rewriting things to do what their fans seem to want them to do over on 2chan and such. Though there doesn't seem to be any evidence that they are doing so, it would be nice to be absolutely certain they do these things on their own rather than as a reactionary addition in order to pander. Note Konata's eating habits are similar to mine. Kagami isn't moe because she didn't cut her own finger I guess (Maybe it was the lack of a nervous breakdown over a trivial matter???) ?????:confused: :confused:. By the way must keep eyes of Tsukasa's somewhat revealing summer dress. :love:. More reference stuff we worked on with Bonta-Kun. Konata eyeballs Kagami in a way that totally doesn't infer a yuri relationship. What the freaking hell happened to Konata's voice (Aya Hirano done gone crazy Rie Kugimiya Style again). Nice spelling mistake in the subs there.
Walking in the streets: I swear that spinning scene reminds me of some sort of Mecha Transformation sequence (Could have been a little bit more hot-blooded though. Come on Konata, work your inner otaku).
At School: They talk about Konata's part time job, which I thought would never come up again. Apparentely you need a nice body there, but Konata says although she's troubled by her flat chest as she squeezes it (THAT'S IT I NEED A DRINK :twitch: :twitch: :twitch: :love::love:). Please don't do that again for at least another episode Konata. Hey it's that joke from Chapter 3 of the manga, only here Konata is interviewed (Why the heck would you interview someone so untrustworthy). Hey I remember that show, final answer Regis. OKAY WE ARE NOT GETTING A RUNNING SEQUENCE WITH GYM OUTFITS....... (Drinks)... Back...wow that was kind of....pointless and underwhelming. OH MY GOD, did I just see a guy walk by in the background.....that's right keep walking :mad: cause Lucky Star doesn't let men talk.
Holy Crap I'm only halfway through the episode.:twitch: :twitch:
Konata's House: There's that guy with a broom that people think is Terry Bogard for some reason. Look people it's just a random figurine of a guy with a broom. People didn't seem to notice the Shuffle poster in the background. Hey look its a Ninja figurine, clearly it must be Ninja Senshi Tobikage because that is the first thing that pops into my mind. Shot of Konata above reading manga *Faints Again*. Oh god she's clacking her toes together *Must stay standing*. Oh come on now what the frig is with the pointless mention of Haruhi, enough of that already Kyoto Animation, seriously. We know, now do something else already. You almost had me in your power Konata..... but wait Konata now makes fun of Haruhi episode 9 for the obvious budget saving scene in episode 9, she's won me back. HAHA 2-Chan Flame War over the sequence (maybe its about Lucky Star daring to make fun of Haruhi. Meta-Logic Ha!).... This is by far the funniest joke the series has ever made. Potential disaster situation in this episode for me salvaged and turned into an auto +1 for the end rating. If there's any joke that Lucky Star is deliberately slighting Otaku everywhere then this removes it. Maybe this is why the director was removed. Belly Button Shot of Konata *Hands clasping desk*. HAHA The episode itself is saving budget now. Oh my god this sequence is nailing it for me.
Outside walking and then school: Dude that sweatdrop noise of Kagami's again. I want to learn how to do that noise when I sweat. SMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKE! OMG LOL-FANG Teacher, hilarious, clearly the highlight of the episode (not really)
At Kagami's: Put on some clothes already Tsukasa.
At School: Yeah Dragon Ball...woooooo. I think that's the Kame school kanji. There's the Gym scene we were robbed of earlier, not that much more exciting. Hey it's Konomi from Toheart and Galaxy Angel, go reused references.
At Kagami's: Pajama's again *Almost at the end, stay standing*. I've actually done what Kagami does here by the way and pulled an all nighter by reading a good book.
At Konata's: TsuyoKisu...The Hell!
Walking Outside: HAHA Kagami you fatso. Clearly being a paper thin loli looking thing makes you morbidly obese in the eyes of fans everywhere. What the...Okami???:confused: :confused:
FUN ENDS, BEGIN LUCKY CHANNEL (Oh this is going to be painful I just know it): I have a really annoying voice...Nyoron refence (Grow a pair already guy)....Bipolar already, the end, bleh. It's so old and not funny at all. Drop this segment already for the love of god Kyoto Animation, it's just taking up time where you could be doing more funny things with the actual cast. Anyway I'm going to skim this.
Ending: Well we get an explanation for what the hell happened last week. I guess that settle's my gripe with that. Still doesn't make much sense that Konata is suddenly the uber-singer. What a shock apparently Kagami is a good singer as well. SINGLE TIME!
I think the episode is 8 material. I bumped it up to a 9 for the incredibly funny 2chan joke, but I'll have to take off .5 for every future Lucky Channel segment and in this episodes case, for the reused jokes. Still by far the best episode. It's a shame that just as the series was hitting it's stride the director get's canned. Hope it wasn't because of the 2chan joke and the upper ranks in Kyoto Animation feel they should catter more to the fanbase and not poke fun at them. That would be kind of lame. If there's anything I can recommend to the new director though if I were in a position of power, it would be to drop the incredibly unfunny and time wasting Lucky Channel segments and devote the extra time to the main cast.
Anyway 8+1-0.5-0.5= 8 out of 10 from me. Though I almost died from all the fanservice segments in this episode. From the preview it looks like the next episode may put me down for good with all the summer fun. Better not take your hands off that skirt in front of the fan Konata.
Well, with the subs Mayumi's poster in Konata's room makes sense now; The "Flat Chested Girls Unite!" spirit.
Oh, Konata...
Wandering_Youth
2007-05-02, 17:53
Lol, this was a Konata episode and it was great. She's totally like a guy trapped inside a girls body from habits, personality and reasoning. Oh yes, I wouldn't be surprised if Konata's mom was a seiyu when she was alive. :)
Ooh. This is my favorite episode so far.
There were a lot of good LOLOL moments. I love that Kuroi-sensei knew exactly what Kona-chan was talking about... and I am especially fond of Kona-chan complaining about a budget-saving Nagato scene, when only moments later, there is a budget-saving scene in Lucky*Star.
The show continues to drop tiny hints here and there about Izumi-chichi...
Something cliché that I would still really love to see is Kona-chan reading the Lucky*Star manga, or listening to the radio show. Heck, watching herself in the Lucky*Star anime. It'd be even better if she commented how closely Kagami/Tsukasa/Miyuki resembles a character on it, and how she doesn't resemble any of the characters at all. :p
(LC lost mondo amounts of points with me for this episode, BTW. Meh desu. I'm glad I watched the raw first. :x )
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-02, 19:38
Ooh. This is my favorite episode so far.
There were a lot of good LOLOL moments. I love that Kuroi-sensei knew exactly what Kona-chan was talking about... and I am especially fond of Kona-chan complaining about a budget-saving Nagato scene, when only moments later, there is a budget-saving scene in Lucky*Star.
The show continues to drop tiny hints here and there about Izumi-chichi...
Something cliché that I would still really love to see is Kona-chan reading the Lucky*Star manga, or listening to the radio show. Heck, watching herself in the Lucky*Star anime. It'd be even better if she commented how closely Kagami/Tsukasa/Miyuki resembles a character on it, and how she doesn't resemble any of the characters at all. :p
(LC lost mondo amounts of points with me for this episode, BTW. Meh desu. I'm glad I watched the raw first. :x )
Wouldn't that cause an existential breakdown resulting in the end of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and peripheral 4th wall in the Lucky Star universe as we know it.
I was running a search on episode 4 and ran into this bit which may or may not be a reference:
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4461/miyukitiffanyxc4.jpg
Tiffany Bag?
Rich Miyuki is rich :p .
Source and other bits here (http://www.syu-ta.com/blog/2007/04/30/035550.shtml).
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-02, 20:43
I was running a search on episode 4 and ran into this bit which may or may not be a reference:
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4461/miyukitiffanyxc4.jpg
Tiffany Bag?
Rich Miyuki is rich :p .
Source and other bits here (http://www.syu-ta.com/blog/2007/04/30/035550.shtml).
Where's the logo? It just looks like a green gift bag. In fact I think I have one that looks just like that in my basement and it's not from Tiffanies.
dahl_moon
2007-05-02, 21:00
Oh... nice catch. It probably is, since that color is a registered trademark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiffany_Blue) (Yeah, learned a few years back in an undergrad Intellectual Property class that colors can be trademarked...)
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-02, 21:18
Oh... nice catch. It probably is, since that color is a registered trademark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiffany_Blue) (Yeah, learned a few years back in an undergrad Intellectual Property class that colors can be trademarked...)
I tested it and the colours are close enough that I guess it's a match. Hope Kyoto Animation payed up or that Tiffanies doesn't find out. I've heard they can be vicious.
Telliamed
2007-05-02, 23:20
I've watched this episode three times now (raw, Chinese sub, English sub) and the line that never fails to force a chuckle out of me is : "Iku." (Konata saying "I'm coming" on the phone after hearing about the cookies.) Hirano Aya's tight little delivery is just so perfect.
The real beauty, of course, is in the slight pause just before she says it. Gives the viewer enough time to imagine her mind shifting gears from "It's hot and I don't want to go anywhere" to "I'm hungry and there's free food at the Hiiragis'". That's classic comedy there.
And yes, like others, I enjoyed ep4 of LS best. Perhaps we're just getting used to it. Perhaps the show is really finding its rhythm, as has been said.
Thing is, all the jokes in this episode were set up in previous shows. I don't think it would be as funny if it had been shown first.
... Konata using lame excuses to skip school. Tsukasa trying to act like Miyuki. Konata reacting to the heat. The food meme. Moe attributes. Game/anime-inspired crimes. Comptiq and Comiket. The girls worrying about their weight and bust size.
And they're not just reusing the same jokes. They're continuations. A joke will start in one episode, and there's a psuedo-punchline right away. But the real gag doesn't complete until a later episode. There were a few set-ups in this episode, like summer vacations. And some of the jokes, like Konata playing erogames will be a running gag throughout the series.
I think they messed up the exam cram joke, though. It would make more sense if this week's joke was delivered before the one in episode 2. Konata first says she leaves her books at school. Then we later see her packing them all to cram with. That's when Kagami makes the challenge.
But just as I type that I realise that the order may have been switched on purpose as yet another Haruhi reference... and thus my brain cells will now start dripping out my ears.
Izumi family doesn't have cable. FYI
There's broadcast digital in Japan, isn't there? And what about her PS2?
The translation is wrong. She said "There's not much difference between our school's uniform."
:twitch:
I think it's probably Ishihara Tatsuya, the director of AIR, Suzumiya Haruhi, and Kanon (and Clannad).
Still doesn't explain what he's doing in the episode.
Still doesn't make much sense that Konata is suddenly the uber-singer. What a shock apparently Kagami is a good singer as well.
At least she stayed in-character.
(new avatar, new sig, new romaji user title because vb hates unicode)
FatPianoBoy
2007-05-02, 23:41
I'm not about to scroll back through six pages worth of summaries to check, but did no one else notice that the teacher began her sentence with 'uguu' after Konata's taiyaki story? :heh:
Wasn't this episode directed by the old director? I wonder if they canned him for the 'budget-saving technique' and subsequent flamewar bit. I sure hope not, because given KyoAni's track record for self-parody, that'd be awfully uptight.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-02, 23:52
I'm not about to scroll back through six pages worth of summaries to check, but did no one else notice that the teacher began her sentence with 'uguu' after Konata's taiyaki story? :heh:
Wasn't this episode directed by the old director? I wonder if they canned him for the 'budget-saving technique' and subsequent flamewar bit. I sure hope not, because given KyoAni's track record for self-parody, that'd be awfully uptight.
I mulled over that theory in my episode summary post actually. It's something we may find out. If the show suddenly adopts a less critical view of otakuism or there is a sudden drop in the companies humility then it might be true.
Kaoru Chujo
2007-05-03, 00:14
The activity surrounding Lucky Star is intense on 2channel. The 54th thread of the main topic filled up with 1000 posts between 9:30 pm and 5 am Wednesday night-Thursday morning, Japan time. In addition, I see three anti- topics, with a total of 14 threads. This is a huge proportion of anti- threads, but I suspect that the old PR slogan applies: "I don't care what you say about me as long as you spell my name right."
Nanoha StrikerS continues to be far ahead, with over 70 threads. But Gurren Laggan, which had surpassed Lucky Star, is now back at 51 threads. Amazing what a little controversy can do...for both anime.
Kaoru Chujo
2007-05-03, 00:25
...Wasn't this episode directed by the old director? I wonder if they canned him for the 'budget-saving technique' and subsequent flamewar bit. I sure hope not, because given KyoAni's track record for self-parody, that'd be awfully uptight.I doubt it, since it was he himself who storyboarded the episode of SHnY where Yuki read for three minutes (see this page (http://www.haruhi.tv/fanclub/cast.html)). According to the on-screen credits, he did write the script for this episode, although someone else directed it. And he was still in overall charge.
I think we'll get a better idea of what's going on -- big breakup, little demotion, or removal of a burden -- if we continue to see his name in the end credits as storyboarder, scriptwriter, or episode director of future episodes. And as Kaioshin says, if the show loses its incisiveness regarding otaku, we'll be able to draw conclusions. But I haven't seen anything I'd call especially negative yet. It's all pretty loving, if you ask me.
Sorry for the double post.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-03, 00:32
The activity surrounding Lucky Star is intense on 2channel. The 54th thread of the main topic filled up with 1000 posts between 9:30 pm and 5 am Wednesday night-Thursday morning, Japan time. In addition, I see three anti- topics, with a total of 14 threads. This is a huge proportion of anti- threads, but I suspect that the old PR slogan applies: "I don't care what you say about me as long as you spell my name right."
Nanoha StrikerS continues to be far ahead, with over 70 threads. But Gurren Laggan, which had surpassed Lucky Star, is now back at 51 threads. Amazing what a little controversy can do...for both anime.
Oh yes, ya gotta have your anti-threads for productive discussion. The Hell is up with 2chan. :rolleyes:
By the way I think that's my slogan.
Telliamed
2007-05-03, 00:42
The Hell is up with 2chan.
That question is, when parsed a different way, its own answer.
13:40 -- They're standing outside a Misuho Bank (http://www.mizuhobank.co.jp/) (sic)
Anh_Minh
2007-05-03, 10:22
What happened to Akira's trademark overlong sleeves? She looks silly without them. (Instead of unsufferably cute.)
What happened to Akira's trademark overlong sleeves? She looks silly without them. (Instead of unsufferably cute.)
I'm guessing she changed with the season, just as the girls all changed into their summer short-sleeved uniforms now. I also like her long-long sleeves over her short sleeves, but.. I like the girls' summer uniform over their winter one... aah, dilemma dilemma.
Samatarou
2007-05-03, 17:35
Phew! Having just read 8 pages of comments I finally get to chip in my two-penn'orth!
First the weak points..... I agree with <someone> that it's simply not credible that the sausages didn't know Kona-chan doesn't have a mother. How long have they been friends? Is Kona-chan a Karin whose friends have had a spell cast over them so they never wonder about her family?
Well that's about it for the weak points!
I notice Tsukasa seems to get flustered an awful lot when talking to people, classic moe behaviour, more and more I see Miyuki as just a decoy for moe. Actually for flusterment Tsukasa reminds me of Izumi-chan in the manga Living Game. And her little comment at 10:11 "so, I'm ok too" about her chest size was brilliant.
Re. Kona-chan's cosplay presents, I thought it a bit unbelievable that Konachan would splash out over 31,000円 (LC prices) on a present for Tsukasa unless she was trying to get into her knickers (which we can't discount given Kona-chan's unhealthy similarity to male otaku), so I did a price check and indeed, if you too want to buy Tsukasa a To Heart costume, you can get one for 13440円 (http://www.putimoe.jp/SHOP/wco-328.html) or even 8400円 (http://ameblo.jp/cos-tea/theme-10001574120.html) (summer version). I can just about see Konachan shelling out the latter for a birthday present, perhaps, though either she's rich or really likes Tsukasa!
Turning to Kagami, first I don't think it's surprising she would recognise the To Heart outfit, despite its low profile in the West it was considered something of a classic in Japan. Secondly it seems Kagami is a fumoffu fan, or at least a Bonta-kun fan, since it seems to be her room it lives in. I was thinking though, wasn't Bonta-kun already a known character when it showed up in fumoffu? ISTR Kana-chan was already familiar with it when she first saw it, so I always assumed that it was some familiar cartoon character or toy in Japan that fumoffu was referencing. When I think about it, Kagami and FMP's Kana-chan have similarly ascerbic personalities, and you could almost say that Kona-chan is Kagami's Sagara Sousuke when it comes to the chemistry between them.
Finally, my wish for more insteresting camera angles seems to have come true! Ep.4 was definitely more visually interesting than the previous eps.
Re. Kona-chan's cosplay presents, I thought it a bit unbelievable that Konachan would splash out over 31,000? (LC prices) on a present for Tsukasa unless she was trying to get into her knickers (which we can't discount given Kona-chan's unhealthy similarity to male otaku), so I did a price check and indeed, if you too want to buy Tsukasa a To Heart costume, you can get one for 13440? (http://www.putimoe.jp/SHOP/wco-328.html) or even 8400? (http://ameblo.jp/cos-tea/theme-10001574120.html)! I can just about see Konachan shelling out the latter for a birthday present, perhaps, though either she's rich or really likes Tsukasa!
For some reason, that scene really reminded me of a scene in Manabi Straight.. can't recall which episode, but it's the one in which Manabi is sick and Momo is with her at the hospital. It's revealed at the end that Momo was wearing a full-body suit/gas-mask thing (*hilarious* scene). Manabi says, "by the way.. where did you get that?"
"...Internet".
Both Momo and Kona-chan are eccentric enough that they get these strange things, and you naturally have wonder how they were able to find them and pay for them... It almost makes me want to believe that they somehow have connections and are able to obtain these things at a very low cost, like through an underground anime market or something. :p
Anh_Minh
2007-05-03, 17:53
Phew! Having just read 8 pages of comments I finally get to chip in my two-penn'orth!
First the weak points..... I agree with <someone> that it's simply not credible that the sausages didn't know Kona-chan doesn't have a mother. How long have they been friends? Is Kona-chan a Karin whose friends have had a spell cast over them so they never wonder about her family?
They met in high school, so less than two years.
And I don't think it's that weird. I've never interrogated any of my friends about his or her family. If the subject doesn't come up on its own, why bring it up?
Baka-yuki
2007-05-03, 18:50
It almost makes me want to believe that they somehow have connections and are able to obtain these things at a very low cost, like through an underground anime market or something. :p
with Kona-chan, She probably does.
With this ep, dont really have any complaints. The one sceen with konata in her bed sometime between 2-5 o'clock wasnt the best moment of them all...
But there was more than enough to make up for it, especially the fact that Kona-chan uses any excuse to poke fun at kagami.
Kaoru Chujo
2007-05-03, 19:01
I think Kona-chan already had the To Heart uniform. She wasn't going to use it again herself, really wanted to see Tsukasa wearing it, and knew she could borrow it back whenever she wanted. Anyway, maybe it was stained or torn.
But I too think it a little odd that the twins didn't know Konata didn't have a mother at home. However, I don't have any trouble suspending my disbelief, especially since it's just barely possible that they never asked and she never said.
In any case, we are hardly dealing with real life in either 4koma or anime, just with cunning analogs of it.
Both Momo and Kona-chan are eccentric enough that they get these strange things, and you naturally have wonder how they were able to find them and pay for them... It almost makes me want to believe that they somehow have connections and are able to obtain these things at a very low cost, like through an underground anime market or something. :p
The moment I read that, I had the immediate mental image of Kagami wondering exactly the same thing... and then Konata does her Dark Smirk.
I've always gotten the impression that this is the first year Kona and the twins have had classes and known each other (high school first year). Therefore, they're still discovering lots about each other. Kona just never mentioned her mother until it came up while they were looking at one of her photo albums.
I'll query my son or other students about their friends and find out they have no idea what their last names are, if they have parents, what they plan to major in, if they have jobs., where they live, do they subscribe to a religion, what kind of music they listen to, etc etc etc
It makes me wonder what the hell they actually talk about sometimes...
(well.. according to L*S, they talk about food, kidnapping, collecting cards, wedding dreams)
Heck, I wouldn't be surprised. I've known several of my friends here in college for about four years now, and some of them still have trouble remembering my surname. (Maybe it sounds too "foreign".)
For most of them, I barely know their family situations. It just doesn't come up whenever we hang out, and yes, we do indeed talk about stuff like food, collecting anime merchandise, gaming, the latest news (and bad jokes regarding it), random sayings which make no logical sense, little things that won't interest anyone else.
Maybe the reason why I love Lucky Star is because it reminds me so much of the conversations we have. Perhaps if one doesn't have those sorts of conversations, the enjoyment factor will not be there.
Aye, unless one has ties with the parent themselves, it is not that uncommon to have friends not ask about your family status. I mean, they didn't become friends with you due to your parents. :heh: Also, it is considered rude if you pry too much into someone's family life unless you are really, really close with that friend.
Cheers.
Mirrinus
2007-05-03, 22:06
Think about it. How long did Yuuichi know Ayu without ever asking her about her father? Actually, when'd Yuuichi ever ask anyone about their parents?
Granted, they're darn popular, but not everyone here might know who Yuuichi and Ayu are (I do know of one person who even said to me, "it sounds as if this person is referencing another anime"). Also, being that they're anime characters, I think that's a pretty weak example (please don't take me wrong - I'm not trying to attack you personally). I mean... just like regular TV shows, a lot of what characters do and talk about are done off-screen. I certainly wouldn't want to have to watch every conversation ever taken place between characters! :heh:
(A little embarrassed to admit, but my friends are pretty much all online friends. :heh: My point is, my case might be different from "normal" people's cases.) I usually don't ask my friends anything personal - that sort of stuff just comes up in conversation every so often. I know about all my friends' families and things going on in their lives (their majors, any jobs, etc) because I've talked with them for years and though I never asked about any of that stuff, it always eventually came up. The only way I ever found out my friends' last names is that I asked them for their names and addresses. (We started sending each other Christmas and birthday presents a few years ago. *happy-go-lucky* I love when they send RL cookies! <3)
Kona and Kagami are two sides of the same coin. One is just passionate about over achieving and school life, the other about games, manga, and anime. They're both pretty smart, though Kona is probably naturally smarter but just doesn't focus on school.
But they really do like a lot of the same things and are great friends, which is why despite their badgering of each other, they immediately carry on like it's nothing.
Michael Hopcroft
2007-05-04, 06:16
Kona and Kagami are two sides of the same coin. One is just passionate about over achieving and school life, the other about games, manga, and anime. They're both pretty smart, though Kona is probably naturally smarter but just doesn't focus on school.
But they really do like a lot of the same things and are great friends, which is why despite their badgering of each other, they immediately carry on like it's nothing.
Not to mention Kagami's dad is an upstanding pillar of the community and Kona-chan's dad --- isn't.
In fact, kagami seems to be imagining the worst about Kona's dad -- she seems to think he's actually ******* her. Which, of course, is utter nonsense; only in porn doujins to girls who are molested by their fathers turn into happy sex-crazed perverts, just as ****-**** isn't a part of real school life that often.
At least, I hope not!
finally watched this episode. voted for 9, i almost wanted to give it a 10.
speaking of family issues from my experience people at school rarely bring the topic. its the same even at my place when you get the same community at school for 10 years and then study in a certain group for 5 more years in the uni
robertness
2007-05-04, 21:01
I give this episode a nine. There were parts of this that were absolutely brilliant.
I loved the sequence of the teacher dealing with Kona's tardiness and absence. Especially the first tardy caused by Kona's MMO addiction. "I must have logged out just before she did."
Some reactions in this episode are priceless:
Kona finding out that Kagami had baked some of the cookies.
Tsukasa and Kagami's obvious disappointment that, unlike Miyuki, Kona didn't get birthday gifts at Tiffany's.
Tsukasa's "crushed" look when Kona and Kagami decide that real answers to esoteric questions need to come from Miyuki.
Bleh...[a.f.k.]'s lateness has hit a low point. I'm starting to root for [ENM] now.
If this has been said, I'm sorry. I'm deliberately avoiding the previous 8 pages.
I saw there was a writeup in the American edition of Newtype for Lucky*Star, which was surprising, since it's so new, even in Japan. They didn't go too much into it, just described the main characters.
Bleh...[a.f.k.]'s lateness has hit a low point. I'm starting to root for [ENM] now.
If this has been said, I'm sorry. I'm deliberately avoiding the previous 8 pages.
Hmmm, "lateness" hasn't been an issue (after all, we have other series that are weeks and months lagging from the air dates). There has been discussion over their style of translation.
I'm happy with EnA's translation and font/color style. They're fairly "slow" but I like their work. I'm told Wind is chock full of information but may be a bit too PPDish-loaded for casual entertainment :)
robertness
2007-05-05, 01:10
Lucky Star has triggered some of my more otaku attributes. For example, looking through the Tiffany & Co. catalog to see how close a match could be made with this:
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7113/ring0000ak3.th.jpg (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ring0000ak3.jpg)
This isn't an exact match (http://www.tiffany.com/shopping/item.aspx?sku=21294578&cid=96680&mcat=148204&menu=1), but it is pretty close given certain constraints of time, money, and avoiding copyright infringement. Looks to me like Miyuki really shopped at Tiffany & Co. (BTW The same earrings are available on Tiffany's Japanese site for ¥357,000.)
Lucky Star has triggered some of my more otaku attributes. For example, looking through the Tiffany & Co. catalog to see how close a match could be made with this:
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/7113/ring0000ak3.th.jpg (http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ring0000ak3.jpg)
This isn't an exact match (http://www.tiffany.com/shopping/item.aspx?sku=21294578&cid=96680&mcat=148204&menu=1), but it is pretty close given certain constraints of time, money, and avoiding copyright infringement. Looks to me like Miyuki really shopped at Tiffany & Co. (BTW The same earrings are available on Tiffany's Japanese site for ¥357,000.)
Hmmm... a cute pair of earrings, or around 300 manga tankoubon? Decisions, decisions... ;)
DragoonKain3
2007-05-05, 08:02
AFK, at one point or another, would have their subs late for week or so. Anyone who followed their versions of Haruhi and Kanon would've seen the pattern before. They'll catch up sooner or later though.
But it's not like AFK's 'late' or anything, since they aren't speedsubbers in the first place. And from looking at it, so far this episode would be the hardest to do the 'AFK way', since its chockful of Japanese otaku references that's really hard to carry over without the use of footnotes.
To tell the truth though, I'm actually waiting moreso for WinD's version this time around. This is because both LC and JEEB has caught references the other didn't, and I wonder if there's some more either didn't see. Not to mention I'm interested what little blurbs WinD is going to write about the references in their website.
As for the earings, wow, they're mighty expensive. Spending ~$4k on birthday gifts? Miyuki really is loaded, and her allowance must be pretty darn big. XD
Bleh...[a.f.k.]'s lateness has hit a low point.
1) Blame Japan (really).
2) The name was picked for a reason :p
3) "Soon" (c) A-F
4) If you want a technical explanation, insert Konata variation of making an excuse related to playing an netgame. (No, not really but it's makes this post on topic. Infact, thats a great idea to start doing regularly.)
or Stratos may have caught spring cold? It does happen to people.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-05, 11:12
Careful Kagamis. I got banned once for even jokingly mentioning that fansubs for a series might be taking a while to come out. It's kind of against the rules.
Ascaloth
2007-05-05, 11:56
Okay, watched Episode 4. Without going into the little fracas about KyoAni switching directors (since I honestly profess little interest in corporate politics), and to keep my thoughts on this episode short since I'm kinda fatigued and I tend not to put in too much effort on critiquing series of this type anyway, I'm just gonna say this;
Liked the in-house references, liked the way Konata mirrored my own experiences in studying when I was a student myself, liked the way they did Lucky Channel a little differently this time round, and generally a good episode in general. Didn't even feel the supposed change from director to director, so I'll say it's business as usual. 8 from me, as usual (I'm beginning to suspect this may become a trend, but oh well).
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-05, 12:05
Okay, watched Episode 4. Without going into the little fracas about KyoAni switching directors (since I honestly profess little interest in corporate politics), and to keep my thoughts on this episode short since I'm kinda fatigued and I tend not to put in too much effort on critiquing series of this type anyway, I'm just gonna say this;
Liked the in-house references, liked the way Konata mirrored my own experiences in studying when I was a student myself, liked the way they did Lucky Channel a little differently this time round, and generally a good episode in general. Didn't even feel the supposed change from director to director, so I'll say it's business as usual. 8 from me, as usual (I'm beginning to suspect this may become a trend, but oh well).
I think next episode is supposedly the director change. I don't understand why the new director is getting credit for episodes 5 onward though. Unless they are doing episodes on a weekly basis and forcing employees to work massive overtime hours, which apparently Kyoto Animation has never EVER done in their entire history as far as I am told (Bullshit detector goes off on this. I think I read it on Wikipedia of all places) for even one small instance, the old director should have worked on more than 4 episodes.
Tatsumiko
2007-05-05, 12:11
Ok...I was starting to feel just like the cat in the eyecatch at half of the episode..
(falling asleep)....but Konata was a cute as always XD...and this series most important vain is the references to other anime...actually they do it so much that its getting less special...its like : Oh look a shin-chan impression and she watches anime like haruhi etc..."yawn"
What i like best about this show is probaly how the chracters handle their school-life and Kona-chan X3....(Tsukasa's way of studying is very similiar towards mine...and my sis has better grades too XD)
I wonder if Tiffany's is wondering why a certain pair of earrings is getting more traffic than usual. :heh:
I liked the ending for this one; it left me wanting to see more.
Anyone know what's up with the voice at the beginning of the preview?
FatPianoBoy
2007-05-05, 18:54
I wonder if Shiraishi's panic over Akira's feet on the desk was a nod to KyoAni's apparent pantsu-phobia...
[/random tangential observation]
Anyone know what's up with the voice at the beginning of the preview?
Might be wrong, but sounded like Aya Hirano in sexy-sexy Tequila Marjoram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tequila_Marjoram) voice.
EDIT: a.f.k. episode 04 is out
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-05, 20:53
I wonder if Shiraishi's panic over Akira's feet on the desk was a nod to KyoAni's apparent pantsu-phobia...
[/random tangential observation]
Well KyoAni does seem to have a pantsu phobia that's for sure. I know one of the parts about the ever popuar Kanon that a lot of people praised was that it lacked an abundance of sleazy fanservice (Which isn't entirely true, but still). Maybe it's just another sign of them saying "Hey fans your the boss, we cater to your every want so we'll tick of No Pantsu"
Still the series that trumps all others this season when it comes to Pantsu-Phobia is iDOLMaster Xenoglossia.
Ascaloth
2007-05-05, 23:42
Well KyoAni does seem to have a pantsu phobia that's for sure. I know one of the parts about the ever popuar Kanon that a lot of people praised was that it lacked an abundance of sleazy fanservice (Which isn't entirely true, but still). Maybe it's just another sign of them saying "Hey fans your the boss, we cater to your every want so we'll tick of No Pantsu"
Still the series that trumps all others this season when it comes to Pantsu-Phobia is iDOLMaster Xenoglossia.
Erm.....huh? Which part of that isn't true, again?
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-06, 00:05
Erm.....huh? Which part of that isn't true, again?
The bath scene with a naked Makoto in episode 5 for starters.
Ascaloth
2007-05-06, 00:10
The bath scene with a naked Makoto in episode 5 for starters.
Well, that one was ripped right out of the game itself. And I'll add the Nayuki-jiggle in
Episode 21, and perhaps the Ayu bath scene in Episode 19, as examples of fan-service in Kanon.
Anything else? I'll hardly call three examples over 24 episodes "an abundance of sleazy fanservice".
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-06, 00:13
Well, that one was ripped right out of the game itself. And I'll add the Nayuki-jiggle in
Episode 21, and perhaps the Ayu bath scene in Episode 19, as examples of fan-service in Kanon.
Anything else? I'll hardly call three examples over 24 episodes "an abundance of sleazy fanservice".
I really meant there is more than a lot of people claim there is, that being none at all. Perhaps I should rephrase and say the claim that there is no sleazy fanservice in Kanon isn't entirely true.
Anyway, I'm going to get complained at if I go off topic. Some mysterious stranger has already forbade me (but conveniently not others) from going off topic for even a paragraph in an otherwise on topic post, lest I get a nice little cheapshot, so I can't really do the verbal dance outside of private messaging anymore until I can sort that out. Apparentely nobody cares what I have to say, I think was the mystery mans reasoning. It's also possible they are a really hardcore Spiderman fan.
Anyway just PM me if you want to talk about this anymore.
Ascaloth
2007-05-06, 00:19
I really meant there is more than a lot of people claim there is, that being none at all. Perhaps I should rephrase and say the claim that there is no sleazy fanservice in Kanon isn't entirely true.
Anyway, I'm going to get complained at if I go off topic. Some mysterious stranger has already forbade me (but conveniently not others) from going off topic for even a paragraph in an otherwise on topic post, lest I get a nice little cheapshot, so I can't really do the verbal dance outside of private messaging anymore until I can sort that out. Apparentely nobody cares what I have to say, I think was the mystery mans reasoning.
Fair enough. And don't worry about the cheapshots....you're not alone. I've gotten them too for costume-raping you the last few times. :p
DragoonKain3
2007-05-06, 03:05
After seeing AFKs translations, some things I noted:
Konata answering the phone, assuming its Kagami is calling her not Tsuakasa even when call display only mentions the Hiiragis. Probably showcases that Konata and Kagami are closer with each other than to the other two people.
Blank screen for 10 sec - It just hit me... its supposed to be for humor since they mentioned Nagato's '3 mins. reading' scene just a while before. Man am I slow; would've been lol funny if it didn't take me so long to figure it out. XD
Like Cowabunga - HILARIOUS! Mainly because it's an 80's reference I can actually relate to; not to mention its so out of nowhere, its funny (aka Family Guy comedy) . XD
Holding auditions for Minoru - just goes to show that making the dialogue flow more smoothly goes a long way to making it funny
Konata prefering the movie of Sailor Suit and Machine Gun- While I haven't seen the movie, the drama remake was IMO a PoS. Still, the theme song IS a great song, and probably the only reason why I actually made it through all 7 episodes >_>
Kinny Riddle
2007-05-06, 03:59
Nyoro~n. Simply full of Kyo-Ani references to drive your average cynical Kyo-Ani hater ballistic. First the Ayu-taiyaki gag, and then the SOS Brigade cosplay, and finally the blatant remark about three minutes of Nagato doing nothing but reading. Not to mention Minoru doing Churuya's "Nyoro~n". Expect more of these references with or without the new director.
LOL at Akira-sama suggesting doing an audition for Minoru's replacement, with Minoru going, "But......I AM Minoru!" Since he is voiced by himself - Shiraishi Minoru.
Telliamed
2007-05-06, 04:02
Konata answering the phone, assuming its Kagami is calling her not Tsuakasa even when call display only mentions the Hiiragis. Probably showcases that Konata and Kagami are closer with each other than to the other two people.
I thought so too, but double-checked and the display says "Hiiragi K." (ヒイラギケ). So either Kagami has a private line, or Konata just assumes the she's the only one who would ever call from that number.
Like Cowabunga - HILARIOUS! Mainly because it's an 80's reference I can actually relate to; not to mention its so out of nowhere, its funny (aka Family Guy comedy) . XD
:rolleyes: And which scene was this?
Ohwell, just more fuel for the translation flame war.
I didn't know my one of my lab partner was gay until a year later. There's a lot of stuff that just doesn't get brought up at times so i m not surprised the twins didn't know Konata's mom have passed away. Normally, you just dont go around advertising this kinda stuff unless you are a tragic hero(ine) looking for attention.
The following is based on [a.f.k.]'s fansub.
Random Thoughts on Ep04:
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The background classmates are getting more and more detailed. :heh: From their humble beginnings as blue humanoid blobs, they now have natural human forms and colour.
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The teacher is a gamer too. This is win.
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"Uguu~ So many potential comebacks... But I can't! As a teacher! As a human being!"
If you were the sensei, and not bound by such principles, what would your comeback be? :D
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Speaking of "Uguu~", [a.f.k.] continues their "hate" campaign against subtitling "Uguu~". Before you retort with the argument that it is a nonsensical word, take heed that [a.f.k.] subtitled "Nyoron~" in Lucky Channel, which is an even more nonsensical word than "Uguu~". :p
Why the phobia of subtitling it, [a.f.k.]? Especially since it is a direct reference to Kanon, and the tale that Konata was spinning to her teacher.
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There was a temporary high-octane boost of animation quality in the ice-cube scene, and the subsequent scene of Konata muttering that it was hot. I wonder if they will ever animate an entire episode in Air(TV)-quality? :heh:
Maybe the animators were making sure that their skills do not get rusty for CLANNAD(TV). :heh:
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The rapport between Kagami and Konata is amazing. They basically know each other's personality inside out, and know how to get the maximum mileage out of each other. As many up-hands as Konata has over Kagami, Kagami has her equal share of comebacks as well. :D
Examples include the cookie bribe and the mention of what she would tell the media if Konata ever went criminal. :D
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Nothing has been said for sure yet, but I can't help but get the feeling that Kagami is either very envious of Miyuki, or is outright jealous of Miyuki's fortune (in all meanings of the word).
Kagami and Miyuki are probably the top contenders for a catfight at this point.
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In reference to the dialogue in Lucky Channel... GONZO will probably make a fan-favourite manga-to-anime adaptation before KyoAni plays fast and hard with pantsu shots. :p
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Kagami sings in this episode! :D
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Is it just me, or did the animation style change in the preview for Ep05?
A 09/10 for this episode. It was tempting to give this a perfect 10, but various technical flaws pull down the rating.
Cheers.
I gave it a 8 while a 9 was tempting but I knew that, sooner or later, an episode may outdo it.
My highlights for this episode are the Kagami x Konata dynamics and Nanako. I just can't get enough Nanako.
darkchibi07
2007-05-06, 06:56
Like Cowabunga - HILARIOUS! Mainly because it's an 80's reference I can actually relate to; not to mention its so out of nowhere, its funny (aka Family Guy comedy) . XD
That reminds me, what was that scene "originally"? I know my roommate got pissed off on that because he prefers to have some explanation on the subtitles then laugh on it once he understands it. Man he's weird. :eyespin:
And besides, doesn't it already kill the joke if something has to be explained to you? He doesn't seem to think so as he gets a learning experience out of this.
DragoonKain3
2007-05-06, 08:59
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Yeah, your roomate is weird I think. I myself don't find any joke funny if it needs any explanation, but that's just me. XD
As for the original scene of the 'cowabunga' line (~20:13 LC/JEEB, sounds like 'Akira mama surepii' to my untrained ear), I have no clue as to what it refers to. It's one of those references that neither LC nor JEEB has caught, and one reason why I'm waiting for WinD's with anticipation. Which I believe is the version your friend should watch; very educational to say the least.
@Telliamed
I don't really think its flamebait material this time around. Well at least not from me; sure it's for sure not what Akira said, but IMO afk achieved what was the point of the source material (partly old reference, partly humor).
I thought so too, but double-checked and the display says "Hiiragi K." (ヒイラギケ). So either Kagami has a private line, or Konata just assumes the she's the only one who would ever call from that number.
:rolleyes: And which scene was this?
Ohwell, just more fuel for the translation flame war.
ヒイラギケ = 柊家 = Hiiragi Family/Household
I really doubt Kagami has her private line. She doesn't have a phone in her room.
She does have a cell tho.
The following is based on [a.f.k.]'s fansub.
Speaking of "Uguu~", [a.f.k.] continues their "hate" campaign against subtitling "Uguu~". Before you retort with the argument that it is a nonsensical word, take heed that [a.f.k.] subtitled "Nyoron~" in Lucky Channel, which is an even more nonsensical word than "Uguu~". :p
Why the phobia of subtitling it, [a.f.k.]? Especially since it is a direct reference to Kanon, and the tale that Konata was spinning to her teacher.
She doesn't really finish the uguu though. She more goes Ugg(uh) so this one comes more off as a random sound. Also unsubbed was Konata's "Pojito" when she turns on the TV which I am decently sure is meant to be a Kururu (from Keroro) throw-up. He is the only character I'm aware of who says that anytime before he presses a button and they have referenced Keroro directly prior to this.
She doesn't really finish the uguu though. She more goes Ugg(uh) so this one comes more off as a random sound. Also unsubbed was Konata's "Pojito" when she turns on the TV which I am decently sure is meant to be a Kururu (from Keroro) throw-up. He is the only character I'm aware of who says that anytime before he presses a button and they have referenced Keroro directly prior to this.
It is "Uguu~". :heh: It wasn't rushed, and she took her time to say it. Besides, given the context of her thoughts, it was fairly obvious that she wanted to retort with a Kanon-centric comeback, but held back with all her might.
Cheers.
Why do I get reminded of Taishi Kuhonbutsu from Comic Party when Konata was talking about the Comicket?
Sorrow-K
2007-05-06, 23:13
Damn, I didn't even realize a.f.k.'s release was out. I somehow missed it.
Ok, obviously the references make this show, and all of them managed to get a chuckle out of me (especially the Kanon reference... and other than Skane and bayoab, the rest of you fail for missing it), but other than that, there's not a great deal to the comedy. That, I think, is why I'm appreciating Hayate no Gotoku more than this... sure, they're both otaku-humour, saturated with references, but the character interactions are better in Hayate, and it can stand on its feet without the references.
I think I'll restrain on commenting on the director drama, past, if the change causes the show to improve, it's a good change, if not, it's a bad change. I think what people do need to recognize though is that there is room for improvement in this show.
Actually, I'll say one more thing: I wouldn't say Takemoto has an amazing track record in comedy. His biggest claim to fame in that genre is Fumoffu, and, counter to the "it's better than Azumanga" claims its most fervent of fans make, I really didn't think it was that great. Sure, it was occasionally funny, but it's not significantly better than Lucky Star is, IMO, and it sure as hell is no where near as funny as Azumanga or even School Rumble when it used to be funny in its first season. People expecting to see a "massive turnaround" based on the fact that it'll now be directed by the dude that did Fumoffu are going to be disappointed, since it just won't happen, not when Fumoffu didn't really have much that distinguished it from the large group of "above average" comedy in anime, anyway (which is about where I'd say Lucky Star lies so far).
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-07, 01:10
Wow some people actually waited all this time just so they could go with A.F.K's sub. Man I watched Lucky-Channel's sub what feels like ages ago. They frankly aren't bad at all for speed subbers. I think they deserve a bit more credit than they are getting. Spelling mistakes do happen even in regular subs. Anyway I had been wondering what was with the sudden upsurge in posts so long after the airing of the episode. I honestly didn't realize this many people still hadn't seen the episode.
On the whole Uguu~ thing being a nonsense phrase, I have a story I wouldn't mind sharing if I'm not going to get slammed for telling it. I once told my friend that we should go into a Japanese restaurant for dinner, while we were out and I would demand that they "Uguu~ Me" (Simpsons episode where Homer demands the Fugu fish which is poisonous unless prepared properly). I figured that would be the best way to put the nonsense phrase into some form of common usage that didn't seem completely ridiculous. I was 100% rejected however and we had to settle for Boston Pizza instead. I'm still searching for other ways to confuse people with the sound. That's it basically.
Meophist
2007-05-07, 01:29
Ok, obviously the references make this show, and all of them managed to get a chuckle out of me (especially the Kanon reference... and other than Skane and bayoab, the rest of you fail for missing it), but other than that, there's not a great deal to the comedy. That, I think, is why I'm appreciating Hayate no Gotoku more than this... sure, they're both otaku-humour, saturated with references, but the character interactions are better in Hayate, and it can stand on its feet without the references.I don't agree. I like the references, sure, but I really enjoy the slice-of-life humour aspect of the show more. The food scene of the first episode is still my favourite scene of the series, followed by the twin talk. What I enjoy about the series is that it's so very normal and doesn't try to take itself too seriously. I'm already bored of Hayate, I'm not too sure why. I don't think the character interactions are better in Hayate. To me, they've already been done.
I really enjoy the pacing of Lucky Star, how it just goes from one scene to the next. I like how they could just talk about anything and everything, and how it all connects together. What I love the most is the episode names, which brings uniformity to the entire thing. It's not random, it doesn't feel random. It feels like it's masterfully crafted together. At least, to me anyways.
Damn, I didn't even realize a.f.k.'s release was out. I somehow missed it.
Ok, obviously the references make this show, and all of them managed to get a chuckle out of me (especially the Kanon reference... and other than Skane and bayoab, the rest of you fail for missing it), but other than that, there's not a great deal to the comedy. That, I think, is why I'm appreciating Hayate no Gotoku more than this... sure, they're both otaku-humour, saturated with references, but the character interactions are better in Hayate, and it can stand on its feet without the references.
I think I'll restrain on commenting on the director drama, past, if the change causes the show to improve, it's a good change, if not, it's a bad change. I think what people do need to recognize though is that there is room for improvement in this show.
Actually, I'll say one more thing: I wouldn't say Takemoto has an amazing track record in comedy. His biggest claim to fame in that genre is Fumoffu, and, counter to the "it's better than Azumanga" claims its most fervent of fans make, I really didn't think it was that great. Sure, it was occasionally funny, but it's not significantly better than Lucky Star is, IMO, and it sure as hell is no where near as funny as Azumanga or even School Rumble when it used to be funny in its first season. People expecting to see a "massive turnaround" based on the fact that it'll now be directed by the dude that did Fumoffu are going to be disappointed, since it just won't happen, not when Fumoffu didn't really have much that distinguished it from the large group of "above average" comedy in anime, anyway (which is about where I'd say Lucky Star lies so far).
Tbh I thought the same of Azumanga. I didn't think it was as funny as its most fervent fans claimed it to be and certainly not as much as you seem to be making out. There were maybe one or two moments every few episodes but for the most part it was the same jokes stretched out for far too long (In fact I better go finish that series I still have the final two episodes to watch), as a show I quite enjoyed it but comedy-wise there's much better for me (not that Lucky Star is mind you). In general I found School Rumble and Fumoffu to have more proper laugh out loud moments and I wouldn't say I'm even that fervent a fan of Fumoffu (I generally preferred the more serious bits in FMP, oh and the romancey bits). I also don't expect the director change to affect the series that much.
That reminds me, what was that scene "originally"? I know my roommate got pissed off on that because he prefers to have some explanation on the subtitles then laugh on it once he understands it. Man he's weird. :eyespin:
And besides, doesn't it already kill the joke if something has to be explained to you? He doesn't seem to think so as he gets a learning experience out of this.
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Yeah, your roomate is weird I think. I myself don't find any joke funny if it needs any explanation, but that's just me. XD
As for the original scene of the 'cowabunga' line (~20:13 LC/JEEB, sounds like 'Akira mama surepii' to my untrained ear), I have no clue as to what it refers to. It's one of those references that neither LC nor JEEB has caught, and one reason why I'm waiting for WinD's with anticipation. Which I believe is the version your friend should watch; very educational to say the least.
@Telliamed
I don't really think its flamebait material this time around. Well at least not from me; sure it's for sure not what Akira said, but IMO afk achieved what was the point of the source material (partly old reference, partly humor).
Reading this may help: http://basic1.easily.co.uk/04F022/036051/Cuties.html or more specifically:
There are even a few examples of deliberately contrived childish speech such as Norippigo officially invented by pop-idol Sakai Noriko, alias Nori P, in 1985. Norippigo, now obsolete, consisted of changing the last syllable of common adjectives into a pi sound. Therefore kanashii (sad) could be changed into kanappi, and ureshii (happy) could be changed into ureppi. Meanwhile Nori P invented a few words of her own, such as mamosureppi (very happy).
Yes, Akira says, "Akira mamosureppi." Listen closely. ;)
Ascaloth
2007-05-07, 06:08
Wow some people actually waited all this time just so they could go with A.F.K's sub. Man I watched Lucky-Channel's sub what feels like ages ago. They frankly aren't bad at all for speed subbers. I think they deserve a bit more credit than they are getting. Spelling mistakes do happen even in regular subs. Anyway I had been wondering what was with the sudden upsurge in posts so long after the airing of the episode. I honestly didn't realize this many people still hadn't seen the episode.
On the whole Uguu~ thing being a nonsense phrase, I have a story I wouldn't mind sharing if I'm not going to get slammed for telling it. I once told my friend that we should go into a Japanese restaurant for dinner, while we were out and I would demand that they "Uguu~ Me" (Simpsons episode where Homer demands the Fugu fish which is poisonous unless prepared properly). I figured that would be the best way to put the nonsense phrase into some form of common usage that didn't seem completely ridiculous. I was 100% rejected however and we had to settle for Boston Pizza instead. I'm still searching for other ways to confuse people with the sound. That's it basically.
Just use "Uguu~" as it is meant to be used. You won't confuse people that way; you'll drive them nuts, but at the same time it'll ramp up your score on the moe-meter. :D
Onniguru
2007-05-07, 11:45
Highlights of Ep 4 :-
Konata's Room.
To Heart, Haruhi and FMP Reference.
Lots and lots of closeup. Including one of Kagami crying.
First appearance of Konata's mom, Kanata.
Balant advertising of Comptiq. Again. Even in Lucky Channel. At least Akira change her outfit.
Those weren't the only references.
In one of Konata's excuses to her sensai, she met a girl (Aya from KANON) who had just stolen Takoyaki [sic? sic means mispelling] and she, Konata (ie: Kion), helped her escape in the same way Kion helped her escape in KANON.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-07, 12:06
Those weren't the only references.
In one of Konata's excuses to her sensai, she met a girl (Aya from KANON) who had just stolen Takoyaki [sic? sic means mispelling] and she, Konata (ie: Kion), helped her escape in the same way Kion helped her escape in KANON.
Don't you mean Ayu and not Aya. Man the day I thought I'd be correcting somone on Kanon. Damn I'm getting soft.
Finally saw episode 4.
I have to say...none of the subbing groups got it perfectly. WinD is the only one with the highly demanded translator footnotes, EnA is the only one with real high quality h.264 (they flat out missed some references), and a.f.k. is the only one that managed to integrate the jokes into the dialogue. If they work together we can really have something going.
Kagami crying wasn't as awesome as I thought it would be. :heh: And neither was Konata mentioning about her mom. I half-expected something a bit more serious, but that would probably ruin the show. I have too many fanfic ideas about this going on right now, and it's ruining my head.
Miyuki's still not funny, and neither are Akira and Lucky Channel. LC's getting progressively boring...
1) Hyperactive greeting "Oha-lucky!"
2) Introduce Shirashi.
3) Shirashi screws up something.
4) Akira gets pissed.
5) Shirashi hurriedly apologizes.
6) Akira gets psycho-pissed and shows her dark side.
7) Music, she blushes, says goodbye.
8) Lucky Channel board comes up, they bicker around a little bit more in confusion.
9) ???????
10) Profit? Not!
Lucky Star will continue to get a 9/10 tops as long as Lucky Channel stays unfunny. >_<
I have a question: What's Konata's economic status? She seems very casual in dressing, and I get the sense that she lives in an apartment with her dad, but I'm not sure. She does have a flat screen LCD monitor and lots of otaku merchandise, though.
Those weren't the only references.
In one of Konata's excuses to her sensai, she met a girl (Aya from KANON) who had just stolen Takoyaki [sic? sic means mispelling] and she, Konata (ie: Kion), helped her escape in the same way Kion helped her escape in KANON.
It kind of saddens me that everywhere I go, people are still so stuck on Haruhi that they see references to it that don't exist (or perhaps only exist in their mind, I should say), and now, making mistakes that have to do with Haruhi when what they're trying to say has *nothing* to do with it. (Like something my apartment-mate said to me when I made him watch Lucky*Star. I mentioned that it has a really cute OP and he immediately replied, "well yeah, that's because they copied off of Haruhi".)
... I think you meant "Yuuichi", as he's the lead male in Kanon who helps Ayu escape with taiyaki (takoyaki is a different food - just remember "tako" means octopus and you're set :) ).
In the Lucky*Star episode, when Kona was making excuses for being late to class, I totally missed her explanations. I was too mesmerized by her hands. XD
I have a question: What's Konata's economic status? She seems very casual in dressing, and I get the sense that she lives in an apartment with her dad, but I'm not sure. She does have a flat screen LCD monitor and lots of otaku merchandise, though.
Personally, I think she's loaded. She looks like an average middle-class citizen, but she and her dad are able to afford all sorts of anime+manga goodies (remember that To Heart cosplay seiraa fuku?). I get the feeling that she is very well-off and might even be living in a richer community with a bigger house if she didn't spend all her money on anime.... But I could be wrong. :p
Kona & Dad just have different priorities.... "looking right" or "living in right locale" is lower on the scale than the latest gear or hobby goody. The dad works out of the house (a writer or translator something or other) and tends to loaf around in yukata and unshaven. Kona *can* dress well but likes to be comfortable.
Kagami's family seems to be doing remarkably well considering dad is a Shinto priest (I guess he has one of the more popular shrines).
I have no idea what Miyuki's people do but they seem to have a large family bankroll compared to the others (earrings and vacation reference).
ep 4 signals the end of my Lucky Channel enjoyment. 4 eps pretty much covers it (I did love Shiraishi's muttered remarks to Akira throughout the segment)... but 20 more episodes of this are going to get *really* old unless they mix it up some other way.
Lots of nice L*S sketches in this ep. I love to listen to sensei talk with her kansai-ben growls, coupled with her knowledge of games and anime references. They should have spent a few more cents on Kagami-tears for maximum "awwwwwww" effect. I think one of my favorite camera angle shots of Kona is any full-body shot from the rear with that lionsmane of hair she has.
This episode was like a subversive Tsukasa-focused ep with all her undertone lines.
They did kind of fly by Kona's backstory Mom bit, instead focusing on Kagami's reaction to "Dad let me watch while he played games" sequence. Perhaps we'll get the full-bore treatment when the twins finally see pics of Mom :)
(9/10 .... -1 for underspending on Kagami-tears and L*C-should-change-or-stop-now; still prefering EnA subs for compromise in xlation and choice of font/colors)
(they flat out missed some references)
To which ones are you specificially referring to?
Fixen is a translator.. so it'd be interesting to see what he spotted that didn't survive the translation. I haven't had a chance to "listen check" a.f.k. (actually I stopped bothering they have such different ideas on the subject) and am d/ling EnA to see how they did this time.
To which ones are you specificially referring to?
Crayon Shin-Chan, which a.f.k. managed to integrate into the dialog. Maybe just that one, since ep4 isn't that big of a culture fest like ep3's ponytail day. Seriously, if EnA can include footnotes, then they'd be complete. I have no idea what they could be referring to with Tsukasa's whole talk about throat and nasal infections, and no group made any note of it, so I suppose there really is nothing to it.
Fixen is a translator.. so it'd be interesting to see what he spotted that didn't survive the translation. I haven't had a chance to "listen check" a.f.k. (actually I stopped bothering they have such different ideas on the subject) and am d/ling EnA to see how they did this time.
I'm not that far up the food chain, as I do Chinese-English stuff. I know what EnA missed because I have too much time and I watched subs from everyone minus LC.
Learning Japanese shouldn't be that hard in college...I have all the kanji in, and all the katakana pronounciations.
Kona & Dad just have different priorities.... "looking right" or "living in right locale" is lower on the scale than the latest gear or hobby goody. The dad works out of the house (a writer or translator something or other) and tends to loaf around in yukata and unshaven. Kona *can* dress well but likes to be comfortable.
Kagami's family seems to be doing remarkably well considering dad is a Shinto priest (I guess he has one of the more popular shrines).
I have no idea what Miyuki's people do but they seem to have a large family bankroll compared to the others (earrings and vacation reference).
Okay, come on out...where are you hiding your translations? :heh:
So it looks like they all are pretty well off...that's really rare. XD
Konata: Massive amounts of otaku stuff
Twins: Big shrine in the living room, and they dress quite well
Miyuki: I think we see her house behind her mom in the OP. It looks like it can eat both Konata's and the twins' and still have room for a bathtub.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-07, 15:18
What was it that Kagami was supposed to be crying about again? I completely missed the touch off point.
What was it that Kagami was supposed to be crying about again? I completely missed the touch off point.
Weight gain. Off pocky, of course. She was mentioned to be on a diet in episode 3.
Thought Question #2: Konata doesn't seem too sentimental about her mom. It would have been an interesting plot point if she actually has that side of her.
I painfully work my way page by page through sections that visually interest me. I've only been learning the language in my spare time over the last couple of years. I was doing some Yotsuba translations but his choice of font for background muttering always gives me a headache. Lucky*Star looks more translatable and is interesting because of the cultural subtexts and implicit references. There's scans out there of the "missing Yotsuba volumes" so I'm reading those to compare against my guesses for now.
I don't *think* there's any deeper thought to what Tsukasa was saying about infections (that's actually a somewhat common folksy idea in America as well) but it may belong in the same category as "stupid people don't catch colds" legend.
Kona's mother died when she was very young... most of what she knows comes from her dad's recollections. There's some really funny dad-Kona bits on that but I'm not spoiling them in case they animate it.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-07, 15:24
BALETED! I mean DELETED!
I believe Tsukasa's thing isn't really a joke but more of a really wrong explanation. She basically says that you are more likely to get an infection through the method you breathe (which is completely untrue).
Oh right I remember now, and then I commented that she has nothing to worry about being about as skinny as a 2 by 4 is wide.
Kona: "It's not like there's anybody you can show your swimsuit off to." XD
I believe Tsukasa's thing isn't really a joke but more of a really wrong explanation. She basically says that you are more likely to get an infection through the method you breathe (which is completely untrue).That's sooooo Azumanga.
She probably reads "Tomo and Osaka's Big Book of Everything" for her factoids.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-07, 15:32
Weight gain. Off pocky, of course. She was mentioned to be on a diet in episode 3.
Thought Question #2: Konata doesn't seem too sentimental about her mom. It would have been an interesting plot point if she actually has that side of her.
Oh right I remember now, and then I commented that she has nothing to worry about being about as skinny as a 2 by 4 is wide.
I have to say this about Lucky Channel. Kyoto Animation doesn't have all that much experience with original material and the one episode of Haruhi they wrote specifically for the anime they just panned themselves here. I'm wondering if maybe Lucky Channel is the best they can do on short notice and with about 3 minutes of time. That said it still feels very repetitive, like they can't think of anything to do with the segment.
I still think the all time best tacked on talk segments were those Science lessons that aired before each OVA of Gunbuster.
The idea of L*C was pretty funny. It just has a fixed lifespan of funny (you can do these jokes and then you're done). If they bring in new characters (e.g. fire Akira and bring in another one for Shiraish to bounce off of) that would be one fix... or bring in a third and watch Akira and that one verbally snip each other to shreds while they pretend to be cute.
The idea of L*C was pretty funny. It just has a fixed lifespan of funny (you can do these jokes and then you're done). If they bring in new characters (e.g. fire Akira and bring in another one for Shiraish to bounce off of) that would be one fix... or bring in a third and watch Akira and that one verbally snip each other to shreds while they pretend to be cute.
Am I the only one who thought "catfight" after reading your last sentence?
Normally, I just watch Lucky Star and take it all in with calm enjoyment and then top it off with laugh-out-loud moments in Lucky Channel. Episode 4 differed, though, in that it was all hit or miss jokes, and it was Lucky Channel that I received cooly.
The armband and seifuku cosplay gift sequence had me doubled over laughing out loud, as did the "interview" sequence. The "cookie tasting" and "Haruhi watching" sequences, though, I didn't find so funny (although the sub timing did affect my interpretation. Without subs, or with afk's subs, I found them a bit funnier.)
Lucky Channel #4 goes from "Oh, look, Akira's flipping out and showing her true colors" to "Oh, I guess this is just what Akira does". I loved all the previous ones, but at this point it needs some new life.
I noticed the timing in this episode was far closer to the 4koma presentation. Most of the jokes divide up cleanly into four parts. While the original jokes being in 4koma can have a serious influence on the anime presentation (and while there's nothing wrong with the original timing), they CAN break out of the 1-2-3-4 presentation, and they had done so far more in previous episodes.
I eagerly anticipate the fifth episode. I really want to see Konata's dad. :D
No... I thought that as I was writing it :) ("catfight"). I'm just glad they got the SHnY refs done and out of the way so the "sees Haruhi in everything" people can take drugs. They put them in such a way that someone who'd never heard of SHnY would just say "she's watching some anime, eh? that had some filler in it" and just figure she was torturing Kagami with an Brigade Chief armband since she's so bossy.
Crayon Shin-Chan, which a.f.k. managed to integrate into the dialog.
It could have been worked in (and at one point I had indeed replaced 'him' with 'Shin') but since in Japanese the dialogue wasn't as blatent, we chose to let the viewer figure it out.
As for the idea of t/l notes, I'm not a fan of more text on screen than necessary... :p
Reading this may help: http://basic1.easily.co.uk/04F022/036051/Cuties.html
Yes, Akira says, "Akira mamosureppi." Listen closely. ;)
Thanks for the explanation. It kind of reminds of the -pyon endings used in FLCL. These kinds of things never work well in subtitles.
I'm still trying to figure out what it is that Kona discovered during the birthday cake eating segment. She says she discovered another facet of Kagamin's charm... but I can't figure it out unless Kagamin just eats strawberries in some sensual way by Kona's standards. Kagamin certainly is orally fixated (always something in her mouth ... pocky, hashi, etc)
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-07, 16:34
No... I thought that as I was writing it :) ("catfight"). I'm just glad they got the SHnY refs done and out of the way so the "sees Haruhi in everything" people can take drugs. They put them in such a way that someone who'd never heard of SHnY would just say "she's watching some anime, eh? that had some filler in it" and just figure she was torturing Kagami with an Brigade Chief armband since she's so bossy.
Something tells me they aren't done with the Haruhi references (And one thing is for sure they do exist, but the only one's that actually are Haruhi references are the one's that are blatantly obvious and not for example the school uniform, which doesn't resemble the North High uniform at all or, "Wow hey Konata's the next Haruhi since they are both voiced by Aya Hirano". They are nothing alike. bleh!). However, the mere mention of the show even in passing is enough to enrapture an entire segment of Japan's population so I think at most they will just tone it down. If they ditch those they might be in hot water.
Meophist
2007-05-07, 17:07
I'm still trying to figure out what it is that Kona discovered during the birthday cake eating segment. She says she discovered another facet of Kagamin's charm... but I can't figure it out unless Kagamin just eats strawberries in some sensual way by Kona's standards. Kagamin certainly is orally fixated (always something in her mouth ... pocky, hashi, etc)
I was thinking it had to do with the first episode.
I'm still trying to figure out what it is that Kona discovered during the birthday cake eating segment. She says she discovered another facet of Kagamin's charm... but I can't figure it out unless Kagamin just eats strawberries in some sensual way by Kona's standards. Kagamin certainly is orally fixated (always something in her mouth ... pocky, hashi, etc)
I probably missed something... why the change to "Kagamin"?
In agreement with Kaioshin_Sama-san. XD I think, sad to say, that it would be in their best interests to keep adding Haruhi references. It can only boost Lucky*Star popularity, and even Haruhiists who don't care for Lucky*Star would want to watch it for the references. Personally I'd want to see more references from smaller series; series in which only true *OTAKU!* would get. :p
I'm a bit ermmhh about Lucky Channel this time. I hope something definitely changes with the next coming episodes. (Although.. Akira-sama still makes for some good icons. :) )
"Kagamin" is Konata's twisted way of addressing Kagami ... I won't even try to decipher the honorific combination that led to it :)
I probably missed something... why the change to "Kagamin"?
Kagami-chan
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Kagami-chin
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Kagamin
I'm still trying to figure out what it is that Kona discovered during the birthday cake eating segment. She says she discovered another facet of Kagamin's charm... but I can't figure it out unless Kagamin just eats strawberries in some sensual way by Kona's standards. Kagamin certainly is orally fixated (always something in her mouth ... pocky, hashi, etc)
I'm more confused about the faces Kona makes while watching Kagami. They don't make sense at all.
I'm willing to bet that it's a far more blatant Crayon Shin-chan reference than it seems but I don't know that show very well. All I remember from watching it several times when I was little was that its humor is a bit off my age range. :heh:
Kagami-chan
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Kagami-chin
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Kagamin
Thanks for explaining how she got to Kagamin... I admit I haven't been paying attention to how Kona addresses Kagami ever since I heard "Kagamiya"; now, no matter how Kona - or anyone else - addresses Kagami, my brain changes it to "Kagamiya" complete with Kona's nyaa voice.
Thanks for explaining how she got to Kagamin... I admit I haven't been paying attention to how Kona addresses Kagami ever since I heard "Kagamiya"; now, no matter how Kona - or anyone else - addresses Kagami, my brain changes it to "Kagamiya" complete with Kona's nyaa voice.
I'm sorry, but I think I'll copy you on that one.
Those weren't the only references.
In one of Konata's excuses to her sensai, she met a girl (Aya from KANON) who had just stolen Takoyaki [sic? sic means mispelling] and she, Konata (ie: Kion), helped her escape in the same way Kion helped her escape in KANON.
OBJECTION!
That is not what "sic" means!
"Sic" is a word used to indicate that you have quoted a word/phrase as originally written/said; and so if there are any grammatical errors, it was intentional.
Under your example, you are implying with certainty that Konata said "Takoyaki" in her dialogue, which is absolutely false.
If you wish to indicate your uncertainty on the spelling of a word, just try using the following method instead,
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had just stolen Takoyaki(spelling?) and she
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Other corrections,
Sensei, not Sensai.
Ayu, not Aya.
Misspelling, not mispelling.
Kyon, not Kion.
Yuuichi is the male protagonist in Kanon, not Kyon.
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I have to say this about Lucky Channel. Kyoto Animation doesn't have all that much experience with original material and the one episode of Haruhi they wrote specifically for the anime they just panned themselves here.
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If you speak of Ep09(14), it was not KyoAni who wrote the script, but the novel's author himself. When it comes to their novel adaptations, KyoAni usually gets the author's participation so as to retain story consistency.
Cheers.
Misspelling, not mispelling.
How ironic, yo. :p
Just a little note, what I always do when I don't know the spelling is I add a "(sp?)" after the word, like so:
[naninani] mispelling (sp?) [naninani]
OBJECTION!
Easy there, Naruhodou (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Wright_%28character%29). :D
Final note on 4: thorough Kagami cuteness while she was reading in bed because she couldn't sleep. For some reason sleeplessness is a running theme in the manga, virtually all the characters suffer from it.
cardslash02
2007-05-08, 06:01
Hey, is backgrounds n stuff really being outsourced to studios in Korea? Does anyone know details abotu that?
Thanks for the explanation. It kind of reminds of the -pyon endings used in FLCL. These kinds of things never work well in subtitles.
Glad to help.
Sometimes I'm surprised at what my rudimentary knowledge of Japanese + my knowledge of J-Pop idol Noriko Sakai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noriko_Sakai) + my Google skills can come up with.
It's pop-culture stuff like this that makes language translation difficult.
EDIT: watching the ending again, I noticed that Minoru says, "... tada Norippigo ima toki wakarana to omoimasu." in the Lucky Channel outro. (a.f.k. again uses 'cowabunga' as a substitute to get the joke across.)
Final note on 4: thorough Kagami cuteness while she was reading in bed because she couldn't sleep. For some reason sleeplessness is a running theme in the manga, virtually all the characters suffer from it.
Wouldn't that be because so many people IRL suffer from it? I'm no exception. :p
Hey, is backgrounds n stuff really being outsourced to studios in Korea? Does anyone know details abotu that?
That made me smile actually... It was a while ago that I noticed Korean names appearing on Japanese anime credits*. I know someone else can explain this better, so hang on a minute... [runs off]
What is the percentage of anime work outsourced to overseas studios in China and Korea?
Traditionally, animation has always been outsourced to smaller Japanese companies, but foreign companies are increasingly competing for jobs. My observation tells me that on average more than 50% of inbetweening and coloring is outsourced, followed by 30% outsourcing of background, and 20% (and increasing) outsourcing of key animation. Some studios outsource far more than others. For example, Madhouse and GONZO outsource much of the lower animation work to Korean firms like DR Movie, Kyung Kang ANIA, Seung Bo Yeang Hang and Chinese firms like RIC, Feng Huang Dong Hua (Phoenix Animation), etc. In fact, some episodes are totally done in Korea, like Tenjou Tenge, some episodes of Death Note, and Saiunkoku Monogatari (all from Madhouse) where even the animation supervisor (sakuga kantoku) is Korean as well. Toei has outsourced virtually all of its in-betweening, coloring and background to Toei Animation Phillipines(TAP, aka EEI-Toei) and now TAP has 6-8 key animators too. Other firms outsource moderately (but increasingly) like Pierrot, Studio Deen, and JC Staff. Firms that do not outsource very much tend to be doing high-budget shows, e.g. Production I.G. and Kyoto Animation. As these places become increasingly expensive, production may be outsourced to other countries such as Indonesia (BJCF - Bintang Jenaka Cartoon Films which did part of Lost Universe, Cowboy Bebop movie, and Prince of Tennis) and Vietnam, where backgrounds for Negima? and Reideen (2007) have been made.
Final note on 4: thorough Kagami cuteness while she was reading in bed because she couldn't sleep. For some reason sleeplessness is a running theme in the manga, virtually all the characters suffer from it.
Everybody does. Well...everybody big on Japanese culture. I forget the last time I went to bed before midnight. XD
Aye... its just that this is the first time I've run across it as a "running gag" in a series (mostly manga so far, we have to wait and see if they portray all the characters having a sleepless night in the series).
In the manga, Kagami finishing her book was followed by some mild consternation that she had read til the sun came up. The anime portrayed it more as resignation about the fact. :)
Aye... its just that this is the first time I've run across it as a "running gag" in a series (mostly manga so far, we have to wait and see if they portray all the characters having a sleepless night in the series).
In the manga, Kagami finishing her book was followed by some mild consternation that she had read til the sun came up. The anime portrayed it more as resignation about the fact. :)
I don't think the innocent two would ever spend sleepless nights. It's just not in their character. At the moment Kagami and Konata are pretty much the "gung-ho" pair on the anime/gaming culture. The other two don't really care that much.
Her vision is less than 0.1, though it used to be good until elementary school, when she began reading books in the dark after her mother dozed off while reading them to her in her bed. She likes to read books, but does not read light novels. Miyuki loves to sleep, and she always goes to sleep at eleven.So now we know.
Ah... I should have noted that pretty much every character in the manga gets at least one strip of "angsty sleeplessness" :)
Ah... I should have noted that pretty much every character in the manga gets at least one strip of "angsty sleeplessness" :)
Angsty? I like angsty. Do any of the characters get pissed off for a prolonged time (i.e. more than 2-3 strips)?
No, I'm not emo. Never. I'm smiling as I type this. See? SMILING. :D
Other than Kagami being plagued with constant low-level aggravation, I can't think of any extensive arc.
Kisuke06
2007-05-08, 18:59
I watched just now this episode and it was really good. At first I didn't quite like this show, but I'm slowly getting into it.
And I LOL so hard when Konata said: "That Ya***** hasn't been very impressive recently." :heh: :heh: :heh: :heh: :heh:
That scene is pure gold! I hope the FMP's director do a good jog with this show.
And I really don't see why Lucky Channel is so good... to be frank I don't like that girl, I watch it just because of that guy(I don't really remember his name). I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying that I don't really like it.
kazune-kun
2007-06-12, 19:09
it was so funny how Konata said, "HAPPIE BUFFDAY!"
and when she said, "A flat chest is a status symbol. A rarity! Word for word. And when you think about it .. there is a demand right. Which means I'm valuable. :D" LOL!!
mickal555
2007-07-26, 07:31
Awesome!
Got my first reference for this series, kanon.
Yeah I know took me a while, I think it'll be very cool to re-watch this after I've seen more anime.
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