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From the screencaps, this episode looks absolutely spectacular. Can't wait to see it.
OMG_Zerg_Rush
2007-05-01, 21:40
9 chapters for one ep? they sure are racing to the end arn't they.
shakildwz
2007-05-02, 02:49
What a fucking episode.
Even though alot of the manga was taken out, they still managed to make this one of the best episodes of the series.
No kidding! I just saw it, and I was blown away. I'm glad they gave us strong animation for this one.
digitalmaster287
2007-05-02, 16:59
Theres one thing I dont understand tho. Why cant Light just kill Mello himself? He can hear everything that is said so why didnt he hear when His dad spelled out Melo's full name?
Arkwright
2007-05-02, 17:04
Theres one thing I dont understand tho. Why cant Light just kill Mello himself? He can hear everything that is said so why didnt he hear when His dad spelled out Melo's full name?
You might want to put that in a spoiler for the folks who haven't seen it yet.
Anyway, the death note requires that the user knows the victim's name and face.
Chief Yagami is the only one who saw Mello's face; Light only knows his name, so he can't use the Death Note on Mello.
A sketch isn't enough to count as knowing the face.
Deathkillz
2007-05-02, 17:37
holy shi~!!
fricking awesome ep...though it was predictable that one of these days light's dad is going to kick the bucket...the way that this ep was done was truly breath taking and dam right touching...i was soo close to breaking into a tear but at the back of my mind knowing that light doesnt really give a dam just pissed me off soo much T_T
mello is pretty screwed now...light knows his real name and together with a picture he can have misa do all the dirty work...i wonder how near would react to this ~ was he able to predict the future? :3
Since his dad died from ordinary gunfire, does that mean that his lifespan before making the deal was only about a day longer?
guiltygearxt
2007-05-02, 18:07
man, they skipped way 2 much and quality dropped abit
6/10 from me
What a weird episode...but really good...
Mello looked a teeny bit better this time,and not as scary..
also ...misa and light must of been doing something..*shifty eyes* his like shirt was unbuttoned..and you know the stuff misa was wearing...
well i guess its normal for them..^^ im not against misa X light...
I did somehow want raitos dad to write mello's real name before he died though(even though i love mello..but not as much as light <3),but i can't understand how Light couldnt of done it.Or am i completly lost.How many notebooks has everyone got?
mello's gang had one..i knew that..then somehow the jp police somehow got ryuuk's note book...and then i thought misa passed hers onto light...and then howcome light's dad could see his lifespan..urgh its really confusing..and then theres the bit where the new shinigami gets his death note back..
umm someone help me understand?Who's got what!?and whY!?
Jerseykid
2007-05-02, 20:46
Poor papa Yagami :(
What a weird episode...but really good...
Mello looked a teeny bit better this time,and not as scary..
also ...misa and light must of been doing something..*shifty eyes* his like shirt was unbuttoned..and you know the stuff misa was wearing...
well i guess its normal for them..^^ im not against misa X light...
I did somehow want raitos dad to write mello's real name before he died though(even though i love mello..but not as much as light <3),but i can't understand how Light couldnt of done it.Or am i completly lost.How many notebooks has everyone got?
mello's gang had one..i knew that..then somehow the jp police somehow got ryuuk's note book...and then i thought misa passed hers onto light...and then howcome light's dad could see his lifespan..urgh its really confusing..and then theres the bit where the new shinigami gets his death note back..
umm someone help me understand?Who's got what!?and whY!?
Light can't kill Mello because he doesn't know his face.
Misa loaned her notebook to Light so he wouldn't lose his memory, and could use it himself later. Light sent the police Rem's notebook so they could talk to Ryuuk and make the deal. And they recovered the original notebook from Mello's buddies, which they then returned to the shinigami(Light wanted to get rid of it anyway). Now Light is borrowing Misa's notebook and the police are holding Rem's notebook.
Light's dad could see his lifespan because technically he wasn't in possession of a note.
Madmanslitany
2007-05-02, 20:59
They made massive cuts compared to the manga, but I think it was for the better. Without revealing too much about the manga version of events, I think the way they handled it in the anime made Light look smarter than in the manga. This version reinforces the point that once Light makes a plan to take you down, you do go down, whereas the manga, Light kind of gets..unlucky. And they wind up involving certain elements which just kind of make the whole thing a little ridiculous. However, it was unfortunate that they left out the detail sort of that Light didn't really want his father to be the one to get the eyes.
However, it's also kind of interesting just how much the investigative team actually hinders whoever is L at that point. It's arguable that if the investigative team wasn't constantly being tricked by Light in the first arc and pressuring L into making choices that L didn't want to make (releasing Light and Misa, stopping surveillance on them, etc.), L might have been able to beat Light even though Light had the advantage the whole time because he was the only one who knew about the notebook and how to use it. However, now that Light is the second L, the investigative team is also a hindrance to him for much the same reasons--they're not ruthless enough to do what needs to be done. Arguably, even without the Kira angle, Mello should have been killed on sight if not by Souichiro, then by the team when they entered the room and saw he was holding a bomb trigger--they might all have died because they hesitated. So, Mello gets away, and even though he doesn't have the notebook anymore, he knows more about it than Light would like him to know...
I'm wondering why Souichirou even felt the need to threaten Mello with the notebook in the first place. He had a gun pointed at the guy, he could have killed him in seconds. In what way is it better to write his name down and watch him die 40 seconds later?
Madmanslitany
2007-05-02, 21:17
I'm wondering why Souichirou even felt the need to threaten Mello with the notebook in the first place. He had a gun pointed at the guy, he could have killed him in seconds. In what way is it better to write his name down and watch him die 40 seconds later?
Yeah, that never really made that much sense, even in the manga. Though, after watching the episode, I feel that besides making his choice not to kill him more dramatic, presenting it this way also emphasizes that Souichirou does not want to kill Mello. He uses the notebook because it allows him to slowly threaten him by saying "I wrote half your name!" in an attempt to subdue him without having to actually take a life. The investigative team, especially Vice Director Yagami, is very much the antithesis of trigger-happy.
akoftroy
2007-05-02, 22:15
[QUOTE=Zek;930210]I'm wondering why Souichirou even felt the need to threaten Mello with the notebook in the first place. He had a gun pointed at the guy, he could have killed him in seconds. In what way is it better to write his name down and watch him die 40 seconds later?[/QUOTE
Mello threatened to blow up the place if they didn't put down their guns. Light then instructs the team to go along with Mello's plan because this will be the chance to see his face. Read the manga, it's a pretty simple explanation.
Pakxenon
2007-05-03, 02:19
So... that wasn't as epic as I thought it'd be and everyone else saying it is so. However, it was still really tense and extremely fast. I guess the only part that wasn't so good was Souchirou's sudden resolve to use the Death Note to get at Mello. I also don't understand why Sayu is in a wheelchair after such a non-violent incident.
Most of this episode made sense with the exception of the forementioned. 8/10 again.
Mr JeburtO
2007-05-03, 04:50
i would suspect she is rather traumatised after being kidnapped and held at gun point by the mafia in the middle of the desert
Mello was on thin ice there...it's strange that Light didn't hear his name through the mic! Was his father afraid of giving the name to Light, since that would make him use the note? ohwell....at least he took away Mello's note and was able to die happily and go to heaven. :P I feel sorry for Sayu though, she will probably break down even more when she hears of this.
Mello was on thin ice there...it's strange that Light didn't hear his name through the mic! Was his father afraid of giving the name to Light, since that would make him use the note? ohwell....at least he took away Mello's note and was able to die happily and go to heaven. :P I feel sorry for Sayu though, she will probably break down even more when she hears of this.
We've been over this... Light heard the name but he can't kill Mello without knowing his face.
Mighty_frog
2007-05-03, 10:19
I admire Light...I wonder if he really felt anything when his dad died or if he was just crying because he didnt get to kill Mello? most likely the latter...
the ep was really fast paced and when souchiru saw light's lifespan and came to the oh so obvious but terribly mistaken conclusion that Light wasnt Kira, such a good feeling, it always feels terribly awesome when Light does something and ur wondering "what the heck?" and then u finally realize why...
Ashlotte
2007-05-03, 11:18
I swear after seeing what misa was wearing this episode I think its proof positive somethings wrong with light's brain to not want to disappear somewhere with her. :heh:
Ah but putting that aside it was a pretty good episode but felt alittle rushed. These two still dont strike me yet as being at L's level.
Super Ska Master
2007-05-03, 14:54
what did they skip?
In the manga, the team sent a bunch of police officers to get the notebook back but then Sidoh took off their helmets and mello killed them all. They also skipped a lot of the conversations between the characters. I think there was something else they skipped to but I forget.
I am noticing that anime only watchers, they don't give you a lot of time to learn to love Near, Mello, Sidoh and the other new characters. I wish they didn't cut stuff out of the second arc, but it can't be helped.
Psychoray
2007-05-03, 16:02
I don't get it... are there 3 notebooks now? We hve Misa's DN, and Light's DN, where does the third one come from? Rem?
At about 7 minutes into the episode light gives a Death Note to Ryuk (Let's call it DN1) Later on, Ryuk will give this Death Note to light's father.
A few seconds after light has given DN1 to Ryuk he gets the Death Note Misa's holding. (Let's call this DN2) So now light has a death note (DN2) and so does his father (DN1).
Now they're going to retrieve the Death Note from Mello. So there are 3 Death Notes now? I don't get it!
I know light's father traded a death note for his daughter 2 episodes ago I believe, and that one is in Mello's hands now... But I have no idea why there are 3 death notes now, can anyone help me out? I feel stupid :P
akoftroy
2007-05-03, 16:25
There's Sidoh's note, Rem's note and Jealous' note. So yes, there are three.
I'm surprised that people can watch 29 eps of this show and not know that you need a name AND face to kill someone using the Death Note.
EphemeralDream
2007-05-03, 19:37
If you think you're confused about the notebooks now:
Just wait till they start playing hot potato with them
karumofin
2007-05-03, 19:56
yay, death note hasnt been interesting in a while, i did like the setup of this arc and now it seems i like where it is going, so hopefully all those voices complaining about how this arc is completely boring were biased...
from what you can gather in this thread they cut out plot very carefully and fitting, so maybe even the shorter episode count wont hurt as much as i expected.
I do really miss the times of the first arc when L was alive and leading the Kira Investigation Case, and the game was only played between Light and L.
For some strange reasons the logics about this episode left thoughtfully bewildered and :upset:
I understand that every Shinigami owns one Death Note which must never ever lend to a human.
I know fully well that Rem got her second note after Jealou's Death, and that one gave it to Misa.
When Rem died aside from her ashes her Death Note remained and common sense dictates me that Light picked it up and reclaimed it as the new owner.
Going backwards to episode twelve Rem told Lisa that she heard throughout the Shinigami World that Ryuk tricked the King in order to earn his second note, which was the first note from the very beginning that Light happened to pick up at random.
But that above statement I think it is some sort of exaggerated rumor, and the truth is that Ryuk happened to pick up Shidoh's note when the latter lost it.
In summary, the note that Souichirou traded for Sayu and was returned back to the Police Team and then returned to Shidoh was the one that Ryuk dropped into the human world at the beginning of episode one.
I really cannot understand why Mello did not see Shidoh right away while he was holding the note. I mean Shidoh had to take the note from Mello and drop onto Snyder in order to see him, unless additional people cannot see a Shinigami even if they touch the note until the current human owner touches it first, and that would explain the plot hole to me.
I do not know about everybody else but Mello's face seemed off and awfully retarded during those shots when he was delivering his monologues about the fake rule to himself.
But I laughed at an instant when Shidoh freaked out upon gazing Mello's devil eyes and reacting in shock that Mello was scary.:heh:
I do feel terribly sorry for Souichirou.
Maybe he died without regrets and in comfort to see through the Shinigami's Eyes that Light was not Kira after all, even though he died never to find the terrible truth.
Light was particularly outraged and frustrated towards his father when the golden chance slipped for Souichirou to have written Mello's true name on the note.
Light totally felt villainous and vindictive, feigning to feel regret upon his father's death on the outside but on the inside he felt lightly to lose a pawn that did not do his job.
The episode told a high true about Souichirou, that doesn't matter if he felt pressured or disgusted upon the many times that L suspected Light of being Kira or that Sayu ended up catatonic for what Mello's gang did, he never lets his emotions to get the better of him. He is first a police officer taking duty as the first priority over personal feelings.
I mean he could have just easily written Mello's name on the note, but he did not.
Of course, that casted his downfall since Mello immediately realized that Souichirou upholds to morals and use them to his advantage to survive and escape.
What it is interesting to point out is that Mello now knows that the two rules on the note are fake which would jeopardize Light's position, because then Mello would be able to deduce after some neat research that Light is Kira.
EphemeralDream
2007-05-03, 20:16
I mean he could have just easily written Mello's name on the note, but he did not.
Well, at least Soichiro can go to heaven since he's technically never killed anyone with it :D
what a terribly sad end. hes happy this way but its such a painfuly ironic way to go.
Quick question: Why did Souchiro take the fact that he could see Light's lifespan as proof of his not being Kira?
Kira had given up his death note (and the death-god Ryuk) to the investigation team so that they could go after Mello. Kira's lifespan should be visible since he is no longer the owner of the death note he had. Souchiro knows this since "kira" phoned him and told him he would be sending over his death note.
Why is the fact that Light's lifespan was visible taken as proof of his not being Kira?
I know light's father traded a death note for his daughter 2 episodes ago I believe, and that one is in Mello's hands now... But I have no idea why there are 3 death notes now, can anyone help me out? I feel stupid :P
This is what I gathered:
1) Shido's note -> taken by Ryuk -> given to Light by Ryuk -> associated death god changed to Rem by Light -> used by Higuchi -> has fake rules (and real ones) ->traded by souchiro with Mello for Sayu's life -> given back to Shido after its recovery from Mello.
2) Jealous note -> taken by Rem -> given to Misa by Rem -> associated death god changed to Ryuk by Light -> buried by Light -> recovered by Misa -> given up by Light in this episode -> sent to investigation team to use to go after Mello -> still in investigation team's possession.
3) Rem's note -> picked up by Light after Rem died -> still in Light/Misa possession (this was hidden in his clothes in this episode)
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...
actually it was Rems note that Light gave up possession of, and it was that note which he gave to the investigation team, along with Ryuk.
Lights currenly borrowing Misa's Jealous Note, so he doesnt lose his memories
at least thats what I make up from this..
EphemeralDream
2007-05-04, 09:36
Quick question: Why did Souchiro take the fact that he could see Light's lifespan as proof of his not being Kira?
Kira had given up his death note (and the death-god Ryuk) to the investigation team so that they could go after Mello. Kira's lifespan should be visible since he is no longer the owner of the death note he had. Souchiro knows this since "kira" phoned him and told him he would be sending over his death note.
Why is the fact that Light's lifespan was visible taken as proof of his not being Kira?
While Soichiro had always believed that Light wasn't Kira, the L in the back of his mind kept telling him to keep some doubt on him. His seeing Light's lifespan on his deathbed gave him the de facto proof he had been looking for to cast away all doubts and prove L wrong. Pity he was wrong :(
Light can't kill Mello because he doesn't know his face.
Misa loaned her notebook to Light so he wouldn't lose his memory, and could use it himself later. Light sent the police Rem's notebook so they could talk to Ryuuk and make the deal. And they recovered the original notebook from Mello's buddies, which they then returned to the shinigami(Light wanted to get rid of it anyway). Now Light is borrowing Misa's notebook and the police are holding Rem's notebook.
Light's dad could see his lifespan because technically he wasn't in possession of a note.
thanks, I was gonna ask some about it but now it's answered.. I was confused by the fact that Light had that Kira thoughts on the bed with his father, since he gave up the possession memories.. but Misa helped him again, with her note, so he is still Kira. awesome. thank you. ^^
Super Ska Master
2007-05-04, 14:50
I do not know about everybody else but Mello's face seemed off and awfully retarded during those shots when he was delivering his monologues about the fake rule to himself.
Mello's face always looks retarded and crazy.
While Soichiro had always believed that Light wasn't Kira, the L in the back of his mind kept telling him to keep some doubt on him. His seeing Light's lifespan on his deathbed gave him the de facto proof he had been looking for to cast away all doubts and prove L wrong. Pity he was wrong :(
Yes, I know he always believed Light wasn't Kira. But, he took the fact that he could see Light's lifespan as something of a proof that Light wasn't Kira. In other words, why is the fact that he saw Light's lifespan a "de-facto proof" that Light was not Kira?
He already knows that Kira gave up his death note, and Kira's lifespan should be visible like everyone else's (since Kira is no longer the owner of a death note). So, Light's lifespan should be visible regardless of whether he was Kira or not.
Whether or not he could see Light's lifespan should have no bearing on whether Light was Kira. This seems to be goof from what I can tell...
Arkwright
2007-05-04, 23:41
Yes, I know he always believed Light wasn't Kira. But, he took the fact that he could see Light's lifespan as something of a proof that Light wasn't Kira. In other words, why is the fact that he saw Light's lifespan a "de-facto proof" that Light was not Kira?
He already knows that Kira gave up his death note, and Kira's lifespan should be visible like everyone else's (since Kira is no longer the owner of a death note). So, Light's lifespan should be visible regardless of whether he was Kira or not.
Whether or not he could see Light's lifespan should have no bearing on whether Light was Kira. This seems to be goof from what I can tell...
If Kira was no longer the owner of a notebook, the killings would stop. It's pretty unlikely for Kira to give up his only notebook to the police and halt his judgments in order to have the raid conducted. So, Souichiro can reasonably assume that Kira still has a notebook other than the one he sent to the police. Also, if Misa kills any new criminals after the notebook is sent to the police, that proves it.
Also, the rules about giving up death notes aren't written down, so the police may be somewhat or fully unknowledgeable about how that works.
If Kira was no longer the owner of a notebook, the killings would stop. It's pretty unlikely for Kira to give up his only notebook to the police and halt his judgments in order to have the raid conducted. So, Souichiro can reasonably assume that Kira still has a notebook other than the one he sent to the police. Also, if Misa kills any new criminals after the notebook is sent to the police, that proves it.
Also, the rules about giving up death notes aren't written down, so the police may be somewhat or fully unknowledgeable about how that works.
The killings should have stopped and I think they have stopped - I don't recall any Kira killings after Light had turned the death not over. When were we shown that the Kira killings continued after Kira had turned over the notebook?
Misa would not kill anyone because Light honestly wants the police to believe that Kira is communicating with them and turning over his notebook. Misa killing more people would be tell the police that either a) Kira was not the one who contacted them or b) Kira has another notebook. Light does not want the police to know either a or b.
Ryuk did the eye deal with Souchiro - it wouldn't make any sense if Souchiro just simply made the eye deal without asking for details. I'm quite sure Souchiro would have asked about what he would be able to see with the eyes - and Ryuk must have replied that he can see the lifespans of non-Death note owners.
Lordshin
2007-05-05, 00:02
I understand that every Shinigami owns one Death Note which must never ever lend to a human.
I know fully well that Rem got her second note after Jealou's Death, and that one gave it to Misa.
When Rem died aside from her ashes her Death Note remained and common sense dictates me that Light picked it up and reclaimed it as the new owner.
Going backwards to episode twelve Rem told Lisa that she heard throughout the Shinigami World that Ryuk tricked the King in order to earn his second note, which was the first note from the very beginning that Light happened to pick up at random.
But that above statement I think it is some sort of exaggerated rumor, and the truth is that Ryuk happened to pick up Shidoh's note when the latter lost it.
In summary, the note that Souichirou traded for Sayu and was returned back to the Police Team and then returned to Shidoh was the one that Ryuk dropped into the human world at the beginning of episode one.
I really cannot understand why Mello did not see Shidoh right away while he was holding the note. I mean Shidoh had to take the note from Mello and drop onto Snyder in order to see him, unless additional people cannot see a Shinigami even if they touch the note until the current human owner touches it first, and that would explain the plot hole to me.
Yeah, the current human owner has to touch the note before anyone can see the shinigami...
But what im wondering is how Shnyder became the owner... lol was he the one that made the trade?
So...Did Light plan all that...
did he mean for his dad to die in the process? Cause if he did then I'd have to say that he is truely like a shinigami (emotionless)!
Pellissier
2007-05-05, 04:37
I gave 8, but my major qualm about this part of Death Note is always the same, and I'm going to lower my ratings from now on if things don't change (which I doubt). The pace is horribly fast, rushed and I simply cannot take a moment to focus my mind on a single happening, that the following event has started and it's already on its core. This is way different from how they handled things on the whole first part (before the Yotsuba arc).
Another complaint I have is about the new characters. If we got a lot of time to know L and sympathize with him, Mello and Near have literally been thrown into the scene. Very little background story, minor characterization. How am I supposed to care for them? As a proof of this I can mention that the most emotional moment of episode 29 was when they showed L (in the context of Mello and Near fighting for his succession), while I feel totally cold about the two new characters, and it can't be helped.
About Soichirou, it was quite cheap that
this whole "death note trade" deal would have costed his life at the end
Anyway, I still think they made it in a way that I can call quite impressive, but not "as impressive as it might have been". A lot of things bothered me,
like how sudden it was the shinigami eyes deal, how poorly built the part where he was able to acknowledge Mello's real name, but didn't take the chance to write it on the note. For a policeman of his experience, to hesitate in such a dramatic situation. I understand it was unusual and Mello was menacing to destroy the whole building, but as the man on the front line, he should have taken action. In facts, things only got worse.
Finally,
I'm not totally sure if Light's crying was for his father's loss, or rather for the big chance missed to call Mello out of the game.
All in all, it feels like watching another series right now. I don't recognize anymore the sheer awesomeness of the first 6 months of this show.
All in all, it feels like watching another series right now. I don't recognize anymore the sheer awesomeness of the first 6 months of this show.
Wow...it's been 6 months already!!!:heh:
But I do agree. The series has changed alot, and Light's plans don't seem as calculated and great as they used to....or actually he doesn't seem to have a plan...I think he got too confident after L's death, and was carried away by the whole "I'm gonna build a new world" attitude, so he was caught off-gaurd by Mello and Near! I just wish that he'd pull himself together before things really get out of control!:uhoh: :(
Yukmouth
2007-05-05, 10:03
So...Did Light plan all that...
did he mean for his dad to die in the process? Cause if he did then I'd have to say that he is truely like a shinigami (emotionless)!
hmmm.........
He probably knew it since Misa can see the lifespan of other people, i mean it was very obvious by the way Light was talkin' that Souichirou is about to die anytime soon, not to mention he was comfortable with his father makin' the deal...etc
No, Misa doesn't understand the numerical system that the lifespans are shown in. Only the shinigami understand it afaik, and they're not allowed to tell humans.
Souichiro's death and the lifespans don't make much sense, BTW....a shot to the throat, if it's not just a scratch, should be almost instant death. Even if they fixed him up quickly and managed to revive him, he should be at least brain dead. Regaining consciousness for a few minutes and dying again is really unrealistic with that kind of injury.
So we can consider that his wound was really just a scratch and he died from his shortened lifespan. He would originally have died an hour later from something else, and the eye deal made things happen differently.
But wait, that's bullshit...the lifespan means that everyone's death is a predetermined, unavoidable event. so shouldn't the eye deals be predetermined too? Oh yeah, but those who possess a death note have an uncertain lifespan, as if they broke free from the shackles of fate. But they still have a lifespan, since it can be halved. Arrgh, stupid nonsense plot devices.
I guess I shouldn't be bothered by his death, it's not like anime has to be realistic. But it's still unexplainable. :/
This certainly was an eventful ep... too much, i would say. Seriously, it almost seemed as if they crammed 2 episodes worth of content in to one. Scenes and events just kept jumping back and forth, without letting them settle in. The first "half" of Death Note was intense, but this just comes across as rushed.
I wasn't expecting Light's dad to kick the bucket, but somehow i really didn't care about the fact more than Light himself >.<
I Do wonder where the plot is going to lead now... the epix chase of M ? Wonder what N is going to do... team up with Light, i assume. Either way, i feel as if Death Note has lost it's special atmosphere that drew me in ever since ep1.
This certainly was an eventful ep... too much, i would say. Seriously, it almost seemed as if they crammed 2 episodes worth of content in to one. Scenes and events just kept jumping back and forth, without letting them settle in. The first "half" of Death Note was intense, but this just comes across as rushed.
This isn't a spoiler or anything from the manga, though i may as well place it in spoiler tags. Don't worry. :3
Because there only being a set number of episodes left for the anime, a lot has been missed out from the manga. Its not like the missed out scenes are 100% needed, they just fit in-between everything that happened in episode 29. So i'm guessing this is where the rushed feeling comes in --- i also felt it.
Anyway, i found Soichiro's last scene to be done pretty nicely. Him dying with the thought that his son isn't Kira --- i'll always love that. Also, you just have to love Ryuk's final line of the episode.
I was hoping Shidoh would get more screentime, especially with the helmet situation from the manga. Too bad I guess, felt rushed but was a good episode. Prefer it if they didn't get through this episode so quickly.
It probably was abit rushed, but I'm quite OK with the pace. I read the manga after I read the anime ( up to the anime point ) and boy, did they miss out quite some stuff
If i were Light, though, i would seriously feel like punching soichiro. You have him at gun- er... deathnote-point, and just as he could be killed, you start uttering righteous bullshit. Geez.
Yeah, the current human owner has to touch the note before anyone can see the shinigami...
But what im wondering is how Shnyder became the owner... lol was he the one that made the trade?
I think he became the owner because he killed the thug that made the trade
(He was the one who pressed the buttons to make the helicopter go kaboom)
Either that or he picked it up before anyone else did..
(hence why Mello didnt want to touch the note after Snyder died, he didnt want to become the owner)
No, Misa doesn't understand the numerical system that the lifespans are shown in. Only the shinigami understand it afaik, and they're not allowed to tell humans.
Souichiro's death and the lifespans don't make much sense, BTW....a shot to the throat, if it's not just a scratch, should be almost instant death. Even if they fixed him up quickly and managed to revive him, he should be at least brain dead. Regaining consciousness for a few minutes and dying again is really unrealistic with that kind of injury.
So we can consider that his wound was really just a scratch and he died from his shortened lifespan. He would originally have died an hour later from something else, and the eye deal made things happen differently.
But wait, that's bullshit...the lifespan means that everyone's death is a predetermined, unavoidable event. so shouldn't the eye deals be predetermined too? Oh yeah, but those who possess a death note have an uncertain lifespan, as if they broke free from the shackles of fate. But they still have a lifespan, since it can be halved. Arrgh, stupid nonsense plot devices.
I guess I shouldn't be bothered by his death, it's not like anime has to be realistic. But it's still unexplainable. :/
People with death notes still have lifespans. They just can't be seen by other note owners, for reasons unknown. It seems that any death not caused by a notebook follows a person's pre-ordained lifespan, which implies that human life in general is controlled by fate.
My question is, how does the death note factor in to all this? We know the note operates outside fate because it allows people to die at any time regardless of lifespan. How is it then that it doesn't affect people's normal lifespan? For example, even after Light became Kira he still had a determined lifespan. Does that mean that it was impossible for the police to catch him because he can't be put to the death penalty before his time?
People with death notes still have lifespans. They just can't be seen by other note owners, for reasons unknown. It seems that any death not caused by a notebook follows a person's pre-ordained lifespan, which implies that human life in general is controlled by fate.
My question is, how does the death note factor in to all this? We know the note operates outside fate because it allows people to die at any time regardless of lifespan. How is it then that it doesn't affect people's normal lifespan? For example, even after Light became Kira he still had a determined lifespan. Does that mean that it was impossible for the police to catch him because he can't be put to the death penalty before his time?
Well if you think fate determines when people die, then fate knew Light was going to get the death note, and become kira...therefore his lifespan remains unchanged since his "fate" accounted for everything that has happened so far.
akoftroy
2007-05-06, 14:34
I believe there's a rule that says the introduction of a Death Note into a human's life can alter their predestined fate.
And Sidoh needed Snydar to touch the notebook in order for Sidoh to become the Shinigami attached to the current Death Note owner. Once that was established, anyone who touched the note would see him.
wingdarkness
2007-05-06, 18:53
Another complaint I have is about the new characters. If we got a lot of time to know L and sympathize with him, Mello and Near have literally been thrown into the scene. Very little background story, minor characterization. How am I supposed to care for them?
You care for them as an extension of L...From Kira's perspective (and thus the audience) that's what they are...I understand the lack of characterization but that's how they are buffering it in a seemingly straight-foward attempt at not re-introducing the dynamic of L (or L's disciples) vs. Light...So instead of a very new character-driven rivalry we have a rivalry still based on Light vs. L(progressively instead of reseting to get to the same point)...In other words Mello//Near vs. Light is less important than the spector of L vs. Light continuing even from beyond the grave...In an expressive and metaphorical way I think they are achieving this...
I honestly don't want Mello and Near to come close to over-shadowing L (Not that they can)...So what you see as possibly being generic I see as a continuing depth rather than the lack of a new one...
As for this episode...Man what a wild trip...Light's dad with the eyes was creepy as $hit...Light is at a very confusing state, one that's be-fitting of some over-zealous genius thinking he can balance the powers of God and that of a simple Japanese son...That little white lie by Ryruk was critical icing on the cake for Light who honestly seemed more interested in Mello's demise than his own father's...At this point I honestly can't get my finger on who Light really is...His sister a mute, his dad dead, I can only see his thurst (bordering on madness) getting even stronger with caring for his loved-ones seemingly down-graded now...
On another tangent I love the common relationship between these Shinigamis...Chaos is merely a chummy goof-around session for these guys...The scene of Ryruk stopping Chocolate Shinigami-kun from interferring was classic and made me smile during what was an overall intense-filled segment of the episode...The thing that's great for me with DeathNote is that any episode can be the one that changes everything and what to expect from the mind of the creators is almost never a given...IMO another exceptional episode despite it's overload of events...
jacotyco
2007-05-06, 19:32
In the last few eps Light looked pretty stupid, even when he had a plan it failed miserably. I wish he were smart again like in the old episodes.
At the end when the building blew up how was anybody able to survive that? Jets of flame shot out the window; every in there should have been burnt to a crisp at the very least.
Those things L would do repeatedly were cool but Near stacking dice and Mello eating chocolate is stupid, and also not cool.
I hate when good animes go bad. When the Yotsuba arc started i was highly tempted to stop watching Death Note-my favorite parts in the series is between when Light got his memories back and when he was trying to kill that FBI agent's fiancee'
Fool On The Hill
2007-05-07, 00:39
Sort of confused about something.
Were there three notebooks in this episode?
Mello had one,
Light gave up his to Ryuk,
Misa gave Light her notebook
What am I missing here? Since when were there three notebooks?
Sort of confused about something.
Were there three notebooks in this episode?
Mello had one,
Light gave up his to Ryuk,
Misa gave Light her notebook
What am I missing here? Since when were there three notebooks?
Light also has Rem's personal notebook that he took from her remains after she died.
theres something bothering me about light giving up his notebook- did he really walk around with misas note under his shirt all that time to keep his memories?
isn't that awfully risky?
i mean, there must be a better way than that... what if he starts running or something?
Fool On The Hill
2007-05-07, 21:30
Light also has Rem's personal notebook that he took from her remains after she died.
Righto, thanks
Draender
2007-05-07, 21:40
theres something bothering me about light giving up his notebook- did he really walk around with misas note under his shirt all that time to keep his memories?
isn't that awfully risky?
i mean, there must be a better way than that... what if he starts running or something?
When Light became the new L, he accepted on the condition that he would not have to risk himself the way Ryuzaki did. During this entire episode Light would have stayed wherever their headquarters was -- his apartment in Japan or their hotel rooms in Los Angeles.
Sinestra
2007-05-08, 17:33
The series has really slowed down to me since L died but i still enjoy watching. I dont find my self making it a point to watch it the day its released as in the past. Now Lights dear Ol pop bites the dust that actually made me sad and Light's reaction to the whole situation was appalling. He does not give a damn about anyone except him self and his what he feels is justice. The lack of compassion for his father nailed into me that Light is way beyond redemption there is no turning back for him.
Also, to show no reaction to Misa in that outfit hes not human let alone a man. Even though i am sure he has done things to keep Misa loyal. After all this time if Light could not keep up the pretense of actually caring for her, he could not manipulate her the way he does. So im sure they have had sex quite a few times. Whatever it takes to get what he wants.
I really feel sorry for Lights sister I dont think she will ever be the same, and her brother could care less about her and now she losses her father poor girl:mad:
He doesn't know Mello's face. The sketch doesn't count.
:confused: This is the firs time i don't understand , anything at all.
I'm confused by all the notebooks ownerships changes:eyespin: , I guess i'll have to watch it again.
Sinestra
2007-05-09, 12:19
:confused: This is the firs time i don't understand , anything at all.
I'm confused by all the notebooks ownerships changes:eyespin: , I guess i'll have to watch it again.
From my count there are 3 total death notes currently in the series. Light aloiginng with Misa have 2 he switches back and forth depending on his needs, that way he can give up ownership of 1 without losing his memories. The third death note was taken by the Shinigami who came to ask Ryuk for it back.
Rem gave Misa the death note from the previous Shinigami who died protecting her. The Rem died during the same reason and left his death note behind and the other is the one Ryuk tricked The Shinigami King into giving him after he said he lost his that is was the original one given to Light.
I think thats right can someone confirm?
I was also confused by the number of current notebooks initially. It is unusual for me not to realise the significance of that day when Light picked up Rem's notebook. Anyway I have almost lost interest in the whole show since the death of L and it become a completely different series =( I really miss the showdown battle between L and Light.
Is L really dead, or is he secretly guiding Near?
From my count there are 3 total death notes currently in the series. Light aloiginng with Misa have 2 he switches back and forth depending on his needs, that way he can give up ownership of 1 without losing his memories. The third death note was taken by the Shinigami who came to ask Ryuk for it back.
Rem gave Misa the death note from the previous Shinigami who died protecting her. The Rem died during the same reason and left his death note behind and the other is the one Ryuk tricked The Shinigami King into giving him after he said he lost his that is was the original one given to Light.
I think thats right can someone confirm?
now i'm starting to understand .. thanks! :)
and GriS , I hope L is secretly guiding Near, that would be great.
The show's definitely starting to lose my interest. I'm seriously considering regarding "Death Note" as a 25-episode show, and what we're getting now as a sequel which can thankfully be ignored. It's just too fast and overcomplicated and too many things don't make obvious sense and aren't explained, and I don't feel like I've experienced previous events with everyone so I feel detached from what's happening now, and I end up just not caring, and it ended anyway. When L died, it was a great anime scene, with build-up and meaning and it was like raw culture on a television screen. When Yagami died, it was just yet another anime death scene.
Slighted
2007-05-12, 23:02
now i'm starting to understand .. thanks! :)
and GriS , I hope L is secretly guiding Near, that would be great. L. Is. Dead.
hitokirigirl
2007-05-13, 15:10
This episode just shows how much Raito is trapped in his madness,
His father's dying, and he's only obsessed with killing Mello....
We usually tend to sympathize with psychos, but Raito is just sickening now
Whaa, a few episodes left T.T
I think he became the owner because he killed the thug that made the trade
(He was the one who pressed the buttons to make the helicopter go kaboom)
Either that or he picked it up before anyone else did..
(hence why Mello didnt want to touch the note after Snyder died, he didnt want to become the owner)
Even if the thug made the deal get the DN, shouldn't the current owner die in order to own the DN? so Light( or anyone else being the current owner of the death notes anyway) is alive, the thug shouldn't be the real owner and his life span should appear. Righto?:eyebrow:
What's with all these spoilers????
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