Claymore - Episode 5 Discussion / Poll [Archive]

Pellissier

2007-05-02, 12:15

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diopter

2007-05-02, 12:23

I'll just post what I said in the general discussion here to get the ball going :).

This episode was awesome. Seen the manga already, but the animation + VAs + music really made the viewing that much better. I especially love

when Teresa thinks to herself that she feels like she has just gotten a pet, then after seeing Clare eating and wanting to share the food, that Clare's better than a pet. Lol such a sweet moment, and really a window at seeing Teresa's humanity that she thinks she no longer have.

The peaceful music played during the aforementioned scene was so beautiful. It gave such a serene yet melancholic feeling. This episode is great because it gives such a good contrast to all the blood and gore in the previous episodes.

And hurrah to have our own sub-forums now. This makes Teresa smile (faintly).

Xellos-_^

2007-05-02, 12:36

I really wasn't sure how Tereasa's va would work out since she did Ed in FMA. But while she sound different form what i imagine Tereasa's voice would be like. it did fit Tereasa very well.

Looking at how much material got cover, Tereasa's arc will cover probably 3 eps. So in Ep8 we will see Mirai, Helen and Dennave and some of the questions people have been been asking will finally be answer.

Seska

2007-05-02, 12:39

Nana.... it is not to much ahead? Spoiler tags?

Well, just now. The Anime viewers see only a blink of Teresa. And they are not sure if it's a flashback or present arc now. You come now with names, that they don't know and other "secrets" that lies in the future...

With no hard feelings

Kaka

2007-05-02, 12:44

finished watching ep 5 last night.......
and I hadn't read any manga before I finished watching, and.....
OMG, I was right. I really guessed the girl was Clare when I first saw her @_@;;; it was a bit shocking to me to find out what happened in her childhood

dutchman

2007-05-02, 13:28

Just finished downloading and watched Eclipse version of claymore.

And I must admit how did I ever dared to have reservations about the Voice Actress for Teresa. I guess her voice needs to grow on you. But they definitely made the right choice.

I guess watching the raw in the morning when you are only half-awake isn't always the best move:eyespin:

Deathkillz

2007-05-02, 14:44

And they are not sure if it's a flashback or present arc now
exactally the problem i had...with first impressions i thought that its the present but ive read otherwise ~ gah so confusing @_@

Claymore_Obsessed

2007-05-02, 14:49

Teresa's voice was just as I imagined while reading the manga ^^

I guess everyone of us is now thinking, what's on Teresa's torso? the bandits were really really disgusted...

Xellos-_^

2007-05-02, 14:49

exactally the problem i had...with first impressions i thought that its the present but ive read otherwise ~ gah so confusing @_@

I had the same problem when i was reading the manga. At first i thought the story had switch focus to a different character. It wasn't till Tereasa gave Claire her name i that i figure it out :rolleyes:

Anh_Minh

2007-05-02, 15:13

Teresa's voice was just as I imagined while reading the manga ^^

I guess everyone of us is now thinking, what's on Teresa's torso? the bandits were really really disgusted...

Some youma body part would be my guess.

Seska

2007-05-02, 15:15

Big scares and other things, or they don't have a skin....

Claymore_Obsessed

2007-05-02, 15:40

Big scares and other things, or they don't have a skin....

Yes, I think the "they don't have a skin" could be a particulary disturbing one...

I had thought about scars, but... I got the feeling it's really something major there...

Goofus Maximus

2007-05-02, 15:43

I remember someone in some thread or other complaining that Theresa in the anime version didn't have a sense of humor, yet she sure sounded mischevious to me all through this episode, with the Villagers, then grossing out the bandits...

zato_1one

2007-05-02, 15:44

Wow! At last Claymore has its own section now. :D

This episode was a truly start of a legend. Production team even re-draw some scenes in OP/ED. That was a good sign.

Teresa is really cool. Love her both in anime and manga. :p

Wosho128

2007-05-02, 18:02

Alright, I don't care to say this: I almost cried. I rarely cry but this episode is simply sad. The villagers treated Clare like complete and utter crap. No one wanted to bathe her or treat her simply because she had associated with a Yoma. The villagers are cowards. After they find out that she's not a Yoma, they still refuse to help her.

RAWR!

Well, this episode touched my emotions at least. Teresa is amazing and no words can express the superb characterization she has. Plus, Paku Romi is her voice; you can't go wrong with that! Clare was cute when she was eating the apple and even cuter when she tried uttering her name.

I give this episode a 9/10.

Anime Online

2007-05-02, 19:19

That was a pretty huge apple Clare was eating. And speaking of food, Teresa must be really skilled to catch a hare (at least, I think that's a hare). Hares do not burrow into the ground like rabbits do and spend all their life running about, so they run really fast. However, because of all that running, their meat is pretty tough to eat if you don't hang it for a day or so first. Then again, this is an anime and I'm sure hungry Clare wouldn't mind one bit.

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Teresa brings breakfast.

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A young hare.

Teresa and Clare appeared together in the OP, so I thought Episode#05 is set in the same timeline as Episode#01-04 Clare. Perhaps Claymores do not age like humans do. Regardless, I thought adult Clare moves fast enough, but Teresa bloody teleports around.

Child_of_Sierra

2007-05-02, 19:44

I'm even more amazed that the hare was caught whole, unlike the desert lizard clare caught in episode 2. Maybe she sets traps?

Well this episode is much more interesting not only because of what people expect in this arc but because the claymore in focus is less "stoic" than Clare of the previous episodes. Action scenes were okay but I hope they save their budget for the more (hopefully) fluid fights in the near future. For now the shows main strenght is the nice still backgrounds and surrounding that show the world.

TigerII

2007-05-02, 20:05

Damn, wonder if Clare was forced to become a Claymore or if she chose. And it really looks like it sucks. Seems like they go through torture to become half, then after that they become hated and feared by all. Live a short life of nothing but fights and hate, then when they feel they can no longer control the Yoma, have to have another Claymore kill them while the human still has control. Truly is tragic.

Crystal_Method

2007-05-02, 20:06

I wonder what the bandits see to disgust them that much. Anyway, good freaking episode. I love little Clare.

toxic_trance

2007-05-02, 20:11

FINALLY..our prayers have been accepted...finally, a thread for Claymore..I guess it had to be with this Arc and couldnt have come at a better time. Excellent adaptation by MADHOUSE. Teresa turns out to be exactly the way i imagined her to be and the whole episode was made really well. From here on I can give a sigh of relief and be pretty sure..that this series will do very well since i think MADHOUSE will do the right justice to this Arc

whitepearl

2007-05-02, 20:49

A really good episode. Loved the beginning where Teresa just kills all those Yoma in the village like it's nothing. I also noticed the slight changes in the OP and ED.

Guido

2007-05-02, 21:06

In contrast to most of you guys I did not experience any trouble per se to identify the timeline for this episode.

The moment the camera close on the stunned and mute, little girl after Teresa killed the Yoma by her side I immediately identified her as Clare for gut certain, and indeed she was Clare after all.

This episode was a pleasant surprise because it was unexpected that the next arc would started as a flashback, which I presume retells Clare's memories upon meeting Teresa.

And this arc is well important, since it will eventually from one to two episodes in the future will answer the questions as to what happens to Teresa afterwards and how Clare became a Claymore as well.

I do not know for the rest of you, but Teresa put straight-forwardly royally kicks butt!:love:

She is the very first EVER Claymore I witness to dispose Yoma with such blinding speed in a wink of an eye without ever drawing her Yoma powers and could easily told them apart from the crowd of humans.

I do not have any complain for the seiyuu who voices her and no need for. Honestly, Paku Romi brings to life her character. I do really love Teresa's voice and smile. I exactly cannot accurately identify if Teresa's humor is sarcastic or cynical, but definitely is delightfully black.

I mean, for example, to butcher all of those Yoma out of the blue while still were on their human disguise and start counting them not even paying attention upon the bewildered and terrified faces of the townsfolk full of shock.
:heh:

And I agree as well with their choice of music for the tender Teresa and Clare.

It was lighthearted leading to some laugh moments. Given her position as a Claymore and the fact she doesn't know anything on how to treat children, Teresa was graciously portrayed like sort of an oddball parent on her first lesson to raise a pretty oddball child.

It was a necessary contrast and distraction from all the blood, gore, and brutality from the beginning of the episode.

In fact, I do admit that Teresa said the wittiest one-liners.
What a best way to wake up an unconscious Clare but to threw the girl at the pond for a splash of cool water of a sudden and without warning.

I laughed when Teresa confessed she never expected to have earned a pet upon seeing Clare devouring the food, but she as well admitted else that Clare was better than a pet.:heh:

I was not bothered or moved on the least with Teresa's initial hostility towards Clare.

I already have programmed on my mind that Claymore's are loners and simply do the job without emotions getting on their way.

This was the same treatment that Clare spoke to Laki at the beginning, save that compared on how Teresa initially treated her Clare remained to keep her cool and callousness towards Laki. In addition, that Clare lacks any sense of humor at all.

But not everything was all fun and full of black humor.

Why exactly did that Yoma bother to allow Clare to live for that long?

Couldn't it simply had devoured her long before?

I do assume that the Yoma not only physically abuse her but sexually as well, though that latter conclusion is ambiguous to me.

But if it is true as well, then Clare had her hell on earth before her eyes reach Teresa. But surprises me is that Clare handled herself to stand up and move again instead of simply broking down and remaining in shock.

Well, the old saying goes that what doesn't kills you makes you stronger, and likely it was true for Clare's case because she saw in Teresa someone dependable who she could confide in.

I mean just like it was to Laki for Clare, little Clare making her wait on foot to follow and catch up to Teresa on such abysmal extents that's a testament of her spirit not wanting to be shattered.

And I wonder if Teresa's got some kind of clarvoyance....

She guessed it right Clare's name, but that most had been by randomness.

Xellos-_^

2007-05-02, 21:57

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But not everything was all fun and full of black humor.

Why exactly did that Yoma bother to allow Clare to live for that long?

Couldn't it simply had devoured her long before?

I do assume that the Yoma not only physically abuse her but sexually as well, though that latter conclusion is ambiguous to me.

But if it is true as well, then Clare had her hell on earth before her eyes reach Teresa. But surprises me is that Clare handled herself to stand up and move again instead of simply broking down and remaining in shock.

The yoma's were using Claire as camflouge to help them blend into the town.

And I wonder if Teresa's got some kind of clarvoyance....

She guessed it right Clare's name, but that most had been by randomness.

Watch the sub that is answer there.

Kaka

2007-05-02, 22:05

NoSanninWa

2007-05-02, 22:11

I'm even more amazed that the hare was caught whole, unlike the desert lizard clare caught in episode 2. Maybe she sets traps?

Have you seen how fast a Claymore is when they fight? I think Theresa had no trouble catching it. It took just one quick sprint and she grabbed it.

As for Paku Romi's voice of Theresa... that is not the way I had ever imagined Theresa sounding. However, after watching this episode when I think of Theresa's voice, this is what I will think of from now on. She changed my impression of how Theresa should sound.

dutchman

2007-05-02, 22:15

As for Paku Romi's voice of Theresa... that is not the way I had every imagined Theresa sounding. However, after watching this episode when I think of Theresa's voice, this is what I will think of from now on. She changed my impression of how Theresa should sound.

NoSanninWa this is exactly the feeling I tried to convey 2 times (and sadly failed at it). :heh:

Mr Hat and Clogs

2007-05-02, 22:29

I'm really liking this series, and this episode was quite nice, but need the second half of it so we can get some answers on Clare's character.

Grey

2007-05-03, 00:04

Thoughts:

1. Of the things the anime chose to retain from the manga, why, oh why, did they choose to retain the impossible attack wounds? The very first yoma we see Teresa kill should have been completely cut in half. Her swing comes from above and to her right; she ends up behind the yoma and to her left. The yoma would be cut in two if she had followed through with her swing, and the way she held her sword after the swing suggests that she followed through--but the yoma's wound instead ends before reaching its hip. For that to make sense, she would have had to pull her sword out halfway through the swing, and then pulled some nonsensical spin to end up in the position that she did.

Aaaaargh. I'm all for the anime keeping true to the manga, and all the yoma in the episode are killed in a manner almost identical to the manga. But they didn't have to copy such a ridiculous cut. Suspension of disbelief covers magic and superpowers, not poorly drawn action.2. Clare is very bouncy, and in the strangest areas. No matter how you jump off a cliff, I don't think it's possible to bounce off a flat ledge in the way she did. Also: she's already beyond human for not receiving any head injuries from that impact. They should have inserted Teresa's second gasp of shock after Clare ricocheted off that ledge--the kid defying physics is certainly far more startling than her trying to break her fall by catching a branch.

3. Teresa's voice was lower pitched than I imagined, but the voice actress certainly caught her character well, IMO. Except for those funny squawky yoma, I've enjoyed all the voice acting in the series so far.

4. ...I've given up on the background music. Some if it seems nice and appropriate, and some of it is just ever so strange.

Anyways, it was awesome seeing Teresa introduced. I've always found it strangely amusing how Teresa initially treats Clare so roughly (lets drop the unconscious girl into a pond!). Looking forward to next episode....

Knavinusa

2007-05-03, 03:20

Skane

2007-05-03, 03:38

All will be revealed in due time.

Cheers.

Solace

2007-05-03, 03:58

Alright, I don't care to say this: I almost cried. I rarely cry but this episode is simply sad. The villagers treated Clare like complete and utter crap. No one wanted to bathe her or treat her simply because she had associated with a Yoma. The villagers are cowards. After they find out that she's not a Yoma, they still refuse to help her.

It does shed alot of light on why Clare took in Raki though. He might not have been abused like she was but she can relate to being shunned by everyone due to association with a Yoma.

I loved Teresa's personality. Blow into town, start killing things left and right, and then count the corpses with shocked towns people staring at you and not batting an eye? Priceless. :heh:

zato_1one

2007-05-03, 05:52

I do assume that the Yoma not only physically abuse her but sexually as well, though that latter conclusion is ambiguous to me.

I also think the same thing. Thinking that little Clare was abused to an extent that she can't speak anymore. That was a really tragic. Feel sad for her. The fact that she can manage to be alive to this day makes me assume that she is a very strong little girl.

By the way Teresa has already come to soothe her right now (although she doesn't feel willingly). :D Teresa and Clare are better protagonist than Clare and Raki, IMO. At least little Clare is cuter than Raki. :heh: Judging from episode name, this arc should cover to episode 8. Let's see what will happen to our favorite pair. :p

Sorrow-K

2007-05-03, 07:02

I didn't get the significance of that episode at all until the twist at the end. Up until then, the whole thing seemed pointless... new Claymore and odd silent girl just seemed like an unnecessary distraction. Boy did that turn out to be anything but true.

So, while I really appreciated that mini twist and ZOMG BACKGROUND, I don't really have an opinion on this arc yet. Obviously it's still building towards something, so we'll just have to wait another week to see what comes of this. But, with hindsight, I don't think there's anything in this episode which I'd consider a step in the wrong direction.

Mez

2007-05-03, 07:24

great ep, i thought it was pretty obvious the little girl was clare, looked very much like a younger clare the first time they zoomed in on her face.

t3ck

2007-05-03, 07:28

AHHH Theresa's smile was perfect! I love it! Well I'm a manga reader so I guess I shouldn't post much here.

I always have doubt on how the VA is gonna voice Theresa and I have to say it's really good! Much better than I expected. But what really surprise me is the animation of Theresa's smile. Being skeptical of manga turned animation (some have really bad arts), I was so amazed by the smile I can't stop playing back that scene!

Benio

2007-05-03, 08:26

I'm another person who imagine Teresa's voice to be of a higher pitch with a more condescending/sarcastic tone. Teresa voiced by Paku Romi in the anime seems kind of indifferent and bored while Teresa in the manga seems more genki on the outside but actually irritated on the inside. Still, Paku Romi's voice is not bad (just some getting used to required for certain manga readers) and Teresa is cool no matter what.

However, I think little Clair in the anime may look a bit too sad most of the time. Little Clair in the manga looks lifeless but doesn't look as sad. A good example would be the scene where she thinks Teresa left her while she was asleep.

Skyfall

2007-05-03, 09:51

A very interesting episode indeed. At first i wasn't so sure whats the point of all this, but after Teresa "guessed" Clare's it all dawned upon me :heh: Also explains why Clare "took in" Raki - reminds her of her own situation back then.

Teresa ... well, she seemed almost evil and cruel at first. At the end of the ep i liked her a bit more though. But damn - she sure is strong 0_o. Clare isn't even close to her power. That apple she gave to Clare was huuuge btw :heh: I also wonder what the bandits saw that made them freak out so much... one disturbing though would be: lack of skin. Other than that i find it hard to picture what made them so grossed-out.

About the bandits... so, Claymores can't kill people... what prevented her from simply kicking their behinds and breaking some ribs ? >.< Aside from the fact that she wanted to pull off that display of hers.

Overall - a very enjoyable episode. Looking towards the next one.

Anh_Minh

2007-05-03, 09:54

She wanted to display her body? That brought to mind "Claymores gone wild"...

Mighty_frog

2007-05-03, 10:03

I caught on with the time setting as soon as i saw the girls face, it's just unmistakable, the only major difference is the hair length. this ep was very well done but i have to admit, it felt a little awkward when Clare fell down that little cliff, I was expecting major injuries...

oh and not to sound pervy but the loli lovers would have heaven on earth with this ep lol

Fenrir_valindri

2007-05-03, 13:21

She wanted to display her body? That brought to mind "Claymores gone wild"...

I believe it was more like she did not care about them doing anything to her body.
Possible self loathing or something similar. :(

That said Teresa is such an awesome character, despite her rough treatment of Clare she quickly warmed up to our little mute friend.

Sai the Dreamer

2007-05-03, 14:43

What a lovely episode! It had a very suitable mood and, despite being quite adequately paced, flew by because I was enjoying it so much! Hopefully this is the appetiser with more to come yet. :D

Deathkillz

2007-05-03, 15:38

There's one thing I'm still wondering about Clare, though. Why is it that her eyes are green here, but brown when she took the pills in episodes 3 and 4? I thought the pills were supposed to revert her eyes back to their human colour (and in Clare's case they would be green). I'm assuming it means that the pills can either change her eyes into any colour she wishes, or that the pills are only able to produce a brown colour. Still, I doubt that because the pills she took are supposed to suppress her Yoma powers, correct?

Brown:
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Green:
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well this has been talked about quite a bit but the best thing would just to stop stressing over it and wait for an explination ~ i doubt that the eye colour could have been a mistake on the animator's part so if i do have to guess the infusion with the yoma could have changed her physically...from what i can see the hue he hair displays seems to have changed from a blondish colour to white...it could just be a side effect that he eyes has changed to a brown colour ~ another thought would that the pills only change the eye colour of the person taking it to brown ~
I believe it was more like she did not care about them doing anything to her body.
Possible self loathing or something similar. :(
i wont say its self loating but more of a "come an get me if your stomach can handle it" kinda thing :heh:

Drytchnath

2007-05-03, 16:13

I'm even more amazed that the hare was caught whole, unlike the desert lizard clare caught in episode 2. Maybe she sets traps?

On the issue of the hare, you saw how fast Theresa is capable of moving. Catching a mere hare or rabbit would be child's play. Also, Theresa did lose her sarcastic, and awesome, sense of dark humor that was more pronounced in the manga. Guess i'll have to live with that dissapointment. Everything else was pretty spot on and well executed. Can't wait till stuff really gets rolling in this arc, its gonna be one helluva ride.

Grey

2007-05-03, 17:12

I believe it was more like she did not care about them doing anything to her body.
Possible self loathing or something similar. :( I generally agree--and there was some evidence in the manga to suggest this as well. This, I suppose, counts as a spoiler for a past event. In the manga, this scene occurred just before Teresa decided sitting on the floor by her sword was more comfortable than a bed. However, it's possible that they moved this scene to a later episode--because in the manga it was a one-page, text-only scene where Teresa reflected on her past. This type of information could be the type of tidbit they casually stuff into a later scene--but, it could also just be one of the many manga details the anime has skipped completely.

Eh. It helps to explain why she responded to the bandits as she did, so I'll put a summary of Teresa's reflection on her body under a tag and leave reading it up to people's discretion. If this scene is included later, then reading it just means you'll get a small bit of Teresa's backstory and hints as to the nature of the Claymores a bit earlier than other anime-only viewers; if you don't want to take that 'gambit', then don't click the tag for a few episodes.

spoiler removed

astrallionheart

2007-05-05, 01:58

So Claymores all get turned into blondes? I mean Clare started off with orange-brown hair.

NoSanninWa

2007-05-05, 02:08

It seems so. Judging by the two Claymores we've seen and every Claymore in the OP, it seems that they loose pigment in their hair and eyes. If some rare Claymore has pigmentation it hasn't been seen yet.

dutchman

2007-05-05, 03:52

So Claymores all get turned into blondes? I mean Clare started off with orange-brown hair.

Astrallionheart all Claymores are indeed blondes and their changing to hybrids is apperentely what causes it.

In eps 5 of the anime this part was left out but in the manga Teresa thinks to herself how she always liked her former 'raven black hair'.

This extract is from the manga vol.3 just after Teresa meets Clare for the first time (in the village after freeing her from the yoma)

volume 3 - page 97 on the last panel in the left corner. "In that moment my cherished black hair my black eyes all of the color drained from my body, leaving only these shining silver eyes".

Some have speculated that being made hybrids causes their body to change its genetic makeup.

Seska

2007-05-05, 06:26

Zu Ra

2007-05-05, 22:55

Leaving aside Terresa's awesomeness aside just for a bit , what caught my eye about this ep was the landscapes . The art on this project has been oustanding but the animation team have outdone themselves by presenting such marvellous landscapes . Each landscape presented is somewhat of a masterpeice by anime standards . And the music added a nice touch some may say there are other animes which have better BGM , but for this scenario it cant get better . ^__^

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Child_of_Sierra

2007-05-06, 01:04

the village overview caught my eye as well. Movement and some animation scenes are debatable but the backdrops of the show are what captivates me every episode. Ah, if only they get another job in a town with a castle or fortress so we can see more medieval renditions.

Zu Ra

2007-05-06, 01:14

Ah, if only they get another job in a town with a castle or fortress so we can see more medieval renditions.

Yeah being somewhat of a fan of Gothic style architecture the last arc was a treat the cathedral was really well animated : )

Kinematics

2007-05-06, 01:38

I'm a bit puzzled by people's expectations of Teresa's voice. Higher pitch? My mind can't seem to grasp that, it just doesn't fit. Romi pretty much nailed it spot on to what I thought her voice would sound like, and just did an excellent job all around. Only odd feeling bit was in the final scene when naming Clare, when she asked Clare what she thought of the name. Seemed just a bit too excited in that bit, considering her reserved nature. But then, given her smile after that, who knows. Maybe she just unconciously just got a little bit too much into it (Teresa, not Romi). :)

Confirmation of the rule forbidding Claymores to kill humans. Helpful info for those who thought Clare should have just gutted the guards back in the Holy City. Aside from not being beneficial to her situation, it's strictly against the rules.

Episode slightly stripped of some exposition, primarily Teresa's internal monologue in her hotel room. Also sad that they dropped the "We don't?" comment Teresa made to the collector.

Speaking of the collector, I didn't remember it being quite so stark in the manga, but it very much seemed as if he had been listening in on what she said in the town. Yet it's hard to imagine his skulkingness to be that easily overlooked by the villagers, or for him to show up immediately after her little speech, if he were to be able to catch up with Teresa outside of town. He caught Teresa's attention with the comment, so it's not like she could have reported what she said to them. So how did he hear what was going on?

Pacing is again quite good. The period of Clare following Teresa didn't feel rushed, though I think they cut out little snippets here and there. There's a good feeling of them spending a fair amount of time together, even though it hasn't really been that long yet.

Slight animation flub: They didn't draw in the bottom tip of Teresa's sword during the first part of the final scene when she's talking with (and naming) Clare.

Kaoru Chujo

2007-05-06, 01:57

Amazing episode. Once aqain, I'm glad I haven't read a manga, so I can be properly appreciative of Paku Romi. This Teresa is fascinating and powerful. Since it was clear to me from near the start who the girl was, I knew how it was going to end, but Teresa's coldness (warm coldness?) was still very strong.

The animation is great, despite the roughness of the drawing. And the extreme punishment Clare took from Teresa and from her fall jacked up the emotional impact of the whole thing. You could really feel just how mistreated and abandoned Clare was. No criticism intended, but compare that to Les Miserables: Shoujo Cosette.

Scep

2007-05-06, 02:56

Mentar

2007-05-06, 03:42

Amazing episode. Once aqain, I'm glad I haven't read a manga, so I can be properly appreciative of Paku Romi.

KC, I so envy you. Seriously. You are SO LUCKY. If there's only one little piece of well-intentioned advice I could give, it's to avoid the manga and all spoilerish threads entirely for a honest fresh experience.

If we look at the thread, most of the review comments are concentrating on comparisons between the original manga and the anime, NOT on the value of the anime itself. It's understandable, because if you're about to get seriously hooked to the show, it's also natural to grab the manga. That's the trap I fell into, and I finished the last raw at 4am in the morning...

I'll be looking at your notes to gauge how the anime in itself will fare with "neutral" unspoiled spectators. And it's gonna be particularly interesting to see soon, real soon, because the story's gloves will come off now.

Geta Boshi: I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that the background artwork is incredible. Overall, Madhouse's work utterly exceeds my expectations. If they can manage to animate the key episodes 7+8 well, I'm sure we're having a masterpiece in the making, one of the real classics in anime.

And I long for the day when I finally get the real deal into my fingers... the DVD sources.

Seska

2007-05-06, 04:06

landscape/background gallery : http://www.kusanagi.co.jp/artgallery/claymore/gallery.htm

Have a nice day :)

Benio

2007-05-07, 10:06

Like Mentar said, stay away from the manga if you haven't read it until the anime is over. But be sure to read the manga later on as it's such a masterpiece. For me, I'm glad I read the manga first. From the way they executed Teresa's introduction in the anime, I think the manga is better, although the anime is not bad. So I'd rather read the manga fresh and appreciate everything in it than watch the anime unspoiled and then read the manga.

I like Paku Romi and I have to say she is great for the "cool and cold" Teresa that you see in the anime. But that Teresa is not quite the same as Teresa in the manga. In the manga, Teresa is equally cool but more adorable--she looks like a doll, always smiles in her "faint smile" style, is more lively (on the outside), and has a sense of dark humor like someone said. More importantly, she doesn't seem as cold but rather *harder to reach* and that gives you a bigger smile and emotional impact for what will happen later on in my opinion.

I would think Paku Romi's voice would be perfect for Jean, a character that will appear later. I don't know, it's probably just me.

Fenrir_valindri

2007-05-07, 14:24

I would think Paku Romi's voice would be perfect for Jean, a character that will appear later. I don't know, it's probably just me.

Seconded.

I agree, the Manga still has its own charm seperate from the Anime, especially with Teresa. The anime does do a good job on putting the story to animated form though. :D

Zu Ra

2007-05-07, 20:12

wow, teresa's VA was romi paku? I didnt even realize XD But IMO, the voice fits her very well. I dont know, I havent sieen the manga, but it just fits with how she looks and her status. I was totally in the dark that clare was the girl till the end of the episode ( to be honest, even at the end of the episode, i had thought it was a girl with the same name XD )

Yeah that’s a big revelation in episode 5. To be honest when I was reading the manga concerned with episode 5 I was wondering why did the focus shift from Clare and who is Teresa. Being a fellow manga reader I do recommend you to read Claymore Manga, it’s really good and my current favorite right now .

And on the topic of Romi Paku (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=46906) more info in this thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=46906). When I first came to know its Paku I couldn’t believe it due to her previous roles but indeed she lives up to her reputation : )

landscape/background gallery : http://www.kusanagi.co.jp/artgallery/claymore/gallery.htm

ooh thanx for posting the linkage, muchos appreciated ^__^

Tempest35

2007-05-07, 21:11

I really don't see what's all the fuss about in trying to compare the anime to the manga. Viewpoints on that are for the most part biased towards the manga always. If people nitpick over every little overlooked nusance, it's a waste of time for them to try and enjoy the anime. I rather enjoy watching for the differences that the animation studios take from the manga from time to time - gives them a little freedom.
Okay, out of place rant over...

To comment on this episode alone and to ignore the fact that I've read up to Vol 7 in BAM (Books-A-Million), Teresa comes across as being too overpowered. I'm not saying that in any sort of negative way but for her, why even bother to have her in the field?? That's like having a Sherman tank battalion patrol some farmland out in Montana... She really gives the air of being not only seasoned in being a Claymore but being too damned good at it. Heh, those Youma didn't stand a chance at all. She's like Hitokiri Battousai. :D

I wonder what would have happened if she would have said, "Flee from me you peasents...lest you lose thy hand to my blade." Probably would have gotten the exact same reaction. XD

Kinematics

2007-05-07, 21:46

Teresa comes across as being too overpowered. I'm not saying that in any sort of negative way but for her, why even bother to have her in the field??

I think some vague sort of explanation is given later in the manga, though it doesn't do anything to change the question. On the current situation, though -- what else are you going to do with her? You've got an uber youma-killer, and your organization's Mission Statement is to kill youma, so....

They still have to walk from town to town, so it's not like you can just drop-ship her to every troublespot so you don't have to bother with all the 'lesser' Claymores. Just send her after the more troublesome ones, I guess. There were 7 in the town she went to (though apparently only 6 were expected), which seems to be a bit 'busy' for youma in one spot (especially taking feeding rate vs source population, which would seem difficult to sustain for very long with that many).

Side note, since I was thinking about her fight in the village: it was interesting that the youma's initial reaction to her arrival was the exact same cowering fear as the villagers, as if they'd been so well acclimated to hiding among humans that, even though they are supposedly the ultimate predators in this world (cf: Ep 1), remaining masked and in hiding is an easier reaction to fall back on than being aggressive and attacking the threat. It would be interesting to see more of the psychology of the youma themselves.

Edit: And speaking of walking from town to town, the technology level of the world seems unusually primitive considering they've (more or less) perfected an advanced art of genetic engineering/splicing.

Tempest35

2007-05-07, 22:04

Edit: And speaking of walking from town to town, the technology level of the world seems unusually primitive considering they've (more or less) perfected an advanced art of genetic engineering/splicing.

I don't think it's that 'advanced' since the surgeries leave behind some pretty intense 'scars' on the girls' bodies. The theories behind it are very advanced but the methods seem on par with the times...maybe it's something like that.

And yeah, I know why Tesera is as strong as she is and all the politics that go with it...I'm just saying she would/should be too valuable to send on scrub missions.

Fenrir_valindri

2007-05-07, 22:39

I have always felt that the way they make hybrids is probably more of a brutal and grotesque operation by guys who only half know what they are doing. (kinda like medival docters)

Kinda like Docters used to bleed people because they thought it was good for them, and using leeches and such. It was a long time until we eventually found out that bleeding was only good for dealing with poisens, and bad for everything else.

As it is, their tech level is not too bad, considering they have plate-mail, that is some pretty advanced stuff as far as medival society is concerned.

David Johnston

2007-05-08, 02:09

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Speaking of the collector, I didn't remember it being quite so stark in the manga, but it very much seemed as if he had been listening in on what she said in the town. Yet it's hard to imagine his skulkingness to be that easily overlooked by the villagers, or for him to show up immediately after her little speech, if he were to be able to catch up with Teresa outside of town. He caught Teresa's attention with the comment, so it's not like she could have reported what she said to them. So how did he hear what was going on?

The collector arrived in town after her, because, being human he couldn't make the time she could. He collected the money as the townsfolk said "So now you guys won't sent an army of yoma to eat us, right, right?" Then he walked out of town to where she was waiting for him and her next target. Not having a target she had nowhere to go. She just waited outside of town because Claymores freak the humans out.

Xellos-_^

2007-05-08, 12:06

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Kinda like Docters used to bleed people because they thought it was good for them, and using leeches and such. It was a long time until we eventually found out that bleeding was only good for dealing with poisens, and bad for everything else.

Actually moderm doctors are experimenting with leeches and are finding that leeches are medically useful under certain conditions.

Fenrir_valindri

2007-05-08, 13:02

Actually moderm doctors are experimenting with leeches and are finding that leeches are medically useful under certain conditions.

Yes but in the old days they considered leeches a cure-all. For extracting blood purposes, leeches are good, but it is theorized that George Washington was actually bleed to death on his death-bed because the docters of the time believed bleeding people was good for their health, they did not considered what bloodloss did to a person :P

That aside I do miss alot of the lines they left out this episode, but I still loved it :D

Tempest35

2007-05-08, 15:27

Bleeding out someone came from there being 'bad blood' in the person and that the bad blood had to be extracted. Lucky that we don't have that same notion with all the STDs and terminal illnesses we got today.

But I have to say, I like how they are not giving Clare the 'Ichigo treatment'. Even though Clare's a badass in her own right, she's still fundamentally weak but she does have her moments of ownage. Watching her grow stronger won't be nearly as fustrating as with Ichigo, but I suppose comparison with him could become a totally different thread altogether, if allowed. :heh:

Sinestra

2007-05-08, 17:27

Finally got a chance to catch episode 5 Im falling behind. But I throughly enjoyed the episode didnt take long to figure out that it was a flash back. Teresa of course was a bad ass to be able to dispatch Yoma with that kind of speed and precision was impressive. Whats even more impressive is that she has not needed to use her powers. She is the best of the best but why is she so good? I cant wait to find out that out.

Clare shows that she was just as tough as a child as she is in the present. To be able to keep up with Claymore and not only that get her to take care of her is impressive. Next episode we should get some more info about how clare became a claymore and also events surrounding Teresa

monir

2007-05-29, 23:47

Wow! Now this is a good episode. I didn't expect the show to start exploring Clare's background so soon in the series after watching episode 4. The dialogues are just wonderful. Teresa's reason for choosing the name, and Clare's confirmation that it was her name to begin with -- those dialogues were the best. I also find it puzzling why Clare kept getting up to hug Teresa's legs. She didn't appear to be needy. Frightened? Well, may be, but if she was frightened then she wouldn't have kept getting up even after getting viciously hit by Teresa. What's going on?

About the wound/scar/whatever on her body that seemed to turn-off the group of bandits, is that a characteristic of every Claymore, or is this phenomenon only localized to Teresa? The new revelaed rule about not harming humans also felt like a bummer. This episode went out of its way to demonstrate how little difference there might be a between Youma and certain group of human beings. Ironically, a Claymore can kill a Youma, but not those kind of human beings who are just as much heinous or worse.

This episode was very intriguing because it has raised one very important question: Why are the Claymores bound to protect human?

The background drawing was so wonderful in this episode. The green hue in the background images is simply beautiful. The BGM was equally awesome. Giving this episode an 8.4. Now I'm very excited to watch episode 6. :)