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NoSanninWa
2007-04-26, 23:56
There were some interesting posts in the Claymore TV General Discusion (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=922034#post922034) about the claymore sword before we had a forum to discuss the topic. I have copied them to their own thread here so the discussion can be found and continued if people desire.
PS. These next 17 posts can also be found on pages 35-36 of the original thread.
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/3415/sword100asm8.jpg
A normal claymore weighs 5.5 lb is 55 inches in length and 42 inch blade . But does Clare or any others use a normal claymore seems like the Broadsword variety of Claymore seeing the length and size. My knowledge is extremly limited in Medieval Weaponery so please do clarify on Clare's Claymore . The one in the picture is a standard Claymore and it does not match Claymores used
EvilMink
2007-04-27, 01:11
Clare's sword seems to be more like greatsword (http://www.thearma.org/essays/2HGS.html) i think.
Kinematics
2007-04-27, 02:40
Warning: bunch of numbers that probably don't even answer the question. :)
Well, certainly it's a fantasy variant rather than a 'standard' claymore. It does have a forward-swept crossguard, though the blade doesn't go all the way to the guard.
A rough guesstimate from the start of the OP would put the blade at 6 inches across at the widest point (compared vs fist width), compared to about 2.5 inches for the one in the picture. The hilt looks to be comensurately longer than standard, probably 12-15".
For the length, there are a number of somewhat conflicting factors.
1) Made a quick estimation based on the OP picture of the blade strapped to her back, and on her entrance to Raki's town. If she's 5'6" (66") (a little tall for typical female anime characters, but pretty average for European, which this seems to draw heavily on), figure her shoulder is at 56", 8" clearance from the ground for the blade, and held at a 20 degree angle, that puts the blade's length at about 50" long, and total sword length around 62"+. This is in line with the suggestion that it's closer to a two-handed greatsword than a basic claymore, and the general design supports that as well.
1a) Same thing, but taken from the character illustration on the web site, places blade length at perhaps 48".
2) Raki is about 8" shorter than Clare (see him walking behind her in episode 1), and the statue with the sword is about 6" shorter than Raki, which would put total length at 52" (if we assume 66" for Clare's height). Given that the hilt is at least 12 inches, that puts the blade length at 40".
3) When resting against her sword, I'd only peg its blade length at around 40ish inches -- about 33 inches of blade sticking out of the ground (relative to her 66" height), plus however deep she drove it.
Considering variations that the artists are likely to use just to make things fit nicely, I'd be willing to go with 48" as the blade length.
Accounting for the increase in the volume of metal used for the greater thickness and length (primarily the thickness), it can weigh around 3-7 times as much as a standard claymore (for 16-38 pounds), or 4-6 times as much as a two-handed sword (for 16-48 pounds). My best guess would be in the 25-30 pound range.
We can also run a little calculation using the density formula from the two-handed swords page. Length: 48 inches. Width: at base is 6 inches, tapering off to about 3 inches near the end before suddenly coming to a point; also tapered near hilt; say an average of 4 inches wide. Thickness: appears to be about as thick as the hilt at the center (around 1"), tapering off to edges, but keeping the majority of that thickness along its length; overall average of a bit under half an inch; call it 0.4. Density of 0.284 lb/in^3. Total weight: 22 pounds. Then add in a bit for the hilt and guard to put it around 25 pounds.
I think that would officially qualify as "obscenely heavy", especially for something being swung around with one hand on a regular basis. And while it's fairly close in some aspects to real known swords, there are enough differences that it's at best an approximation.
EvilMink
2007-04-27, 04:03
Considering variations that the artists are likely to use just to make things fit nicely, I'd be willing to go with 48" as the blade length.
Accounting for the increase in the volume of metal used for the greater thickness and length (primarily the thickness), it can weigh around 3-7 times as much as a standard claymore (for 16-38 pounds), or 4-6 times as much as a two-handed sword (for 16-48 pounds). My best guess would be in the 25-30 pound range.
Hmm... no offense intended, but your calculations seems to be wrong. To quote from the page i linked earlier (The Weighty Issue of Two-Handed Greatswords (http://www.thearma.org/essays/2HGS.html)):
The two-handed sword was a specialized and effective infantry weapon, and was recognized as such in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. Although large, measuring 60-70 in/150-175 cm overall, it was not as hefty as it looked, weighing something of the order of 5-8 lbs/2.3-3.6 kg. In the hands of the Swiss and German infantrymen it was lethal, and its use was considered as special skill, often meriting extra pay.
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Below is a table of measurements from 69 two-handed great swords from the 16th century in the famed Austrian arsenal of Graz (K. Kamniker and P. Krenn, p. 139-152). Note that the average weight is less than 8 pounds at an average length of 67 inches. The weapons in the collection range up to 5 pounds difference in their weight. The lightest weapon, a slender blade, is just over than 3.3 pounds (at roughly 57 inches long) while the heaviest, a large and elaborately hilted piece, is no more than 13 pounds (at about 78 inches a long)
Judging the data from the above mentioned table (it is near to the bottom of the page) it looks like blade <50" should never exceed 6lbs, and this would make it certainly deadly weapon in hands of skilled person.
edit: Just read the table again and it says the lightest 56.9" sword was only 3.3lbs :)
IMSabbel
2007-04-27, 09:10
Way to read a post.
His point was that compared to "real" swords, the one in claymore is depicted as very BROAD and THICK. Both of which increases the weight, of course.
(the 1" he assumed is about 4-5 times thicker than the thickest part of the ones referenced in your article. This alone would lift that 4 pound blade into the 18 region).
And about the practicability of such weapons:
Its fantasy. They are weapons used by half demonic, superstrong warriors. I see no problem in them being very massive. It might even be needed, seeing that they are designed to battle monsters, which might require the sturdiness provided by the inceased crossection.
Clare's sword seems to be more like greatsword (http://www.thearma.org/essays/2HGS.html) i think.
Very informative post , thank you for sharing it : D
Well, certainly it's a fantasy variant rather than a 'standard' claymore. Its fantasy. They are weapons used by half demonic, superstrong warriors. I see no problem in them being very massive. It might even be needed, seeing that they are designed to battle monsters, which might require the sturdiness provided by the inceased crossection.
This two articles sum up the initial point brought up. IMSabbel went one step further and nicely illustrated the point
- Killing monsters is easier when thick slices are done hence a thick blade. Also the weight adds to the cut/thrust.
- Longer the blade easier it is for the user to stay away from Yoma who attack you with claws spikes and what not .
Anyway, Clare's sword must be that heavy, that she need her enhanced Muscles to hold it with only one hand. I think, no normal human in Claymore's universe can hold it like her.
Perhaps, you can compare it with a Zweihänder with extra big "Klinge" (don't know the English name for it, sorry)
Short summary: Clare's Youma power is needed to hold it, with one hand like her.
but, like you. I'm not a medieval expert, too.
- Killing monsters is easier when thick slices are done hence a thick blade. Also the weight adds to the cut/thrust.
Hei, demo....
First you need the force to moving the Blade. And when the Sword is stuck in the enemy body... She must call
her Youma extra boost power for it.
Tip: Try swinging a "Tachi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachi)" Sword around. If you overdo it, your wrists will hurt the next day and muscles in the underarm part, too.
(I have done it, but with a Katana in Toledo style). Well, like a car. If the sword are in move you don't need that much muscles like in the start. Long live Physics (Mass acceleration)
Kinematics
2007-04-27, 13:41
His point was that compared to "real" swords, the one in claymore is depicted as very BROAD and THICK. Both of which increases the weight, of course.
(the 1" he assumed is about 4-5 times thicker than the thickest part of the ones referenced in your article. This alone would lift that 4 pound blade into the 18 region).
And about the practicability of such weapons:
Its fantasy. They are weapons used by half demonic, superstrong warriors. I see no problem in them being very massive. It might even be needed, seeing that they are designed to battle monsters, which might require the sturdiness provided by the inceased crossection.
Indeed. Don't forget how easily that youma snapped through both Galk's sword and Clare's dagger in the last couple episodes. A 'standard' weapon simply isn't strong enough to hold out against the forces being applied.
Claymore_Obsessed
2007-04-27, 14:52
you can see a picture of a real life Claymore sword (like the one used in the anime, not the classic scottish one) here (http://www.j-claymore.com/jf.html) on the official website
months ago, there was also a video showing a guy who had a run for his money trying to stay en guarde with that sword :heh:
as you can see, it's 165 cm X 7 Kg
I wonder what's its price, though :D
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/2624/claymoreclaresswordsm6.th.jpg (http://img252.imageshack.us/my.php?image=claymoreclaresswordsm6.jpg)http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2245/claymoreclaresmodelsjg9.th.jpg (http://img142.imageshack.us/my.php?image=claymoreclaresmodelsjg9.jpg)
I was so free, to put Clare's sword picture on ImageShack
Source for the pics:
you can see a picture of a real life Claymore sword (like the one used in the anime, not the classic scottish one) here (http://www.j-claymore.com/jf.html) on the official website
months ago, there was also a video showing a guy who had a run for his money trying to stay en guarde with that sword :heh:
as you can see, it's 165 cm X 7 Kg
I wonder what's its price, though :D
Defiled one
2007-04-27, 15:23
Um..Guys? Do you know something I don´t know? Cause the sword sounds fishy to me. :uhoh: "Creepy X-file music"
more infos, please. What is fishy for you? :)
The Symbol on the sword it's Clares. But if you saw Episode 02. You will know it.
Kinematics
2007-04-27, 15:36
Oh, nice :)
Ok, it's a bit longer than estimated. 165 cm = 65 in; my guess was a 48" blade + 12" hilt = 60". Not too far off, considering my initial estimate would have put it at 62-65".
7 kg = 15.4 lb, so it's far lighter than estimated, though still a good bit heavier than 'normal' swords. Explained by an overestimate of the central thickness due to thinking that the rounded part at the base of the blade was more flush with the blade itself, when it seems to be more of an external protrusion. Actual central blade thickness is thus probably closer to 2/3" (1.5cm) instead of a full inch.
And now I need to find out where I can find a set of those Teresa + Clare figures :)
Thanks for the picture Claymore_obsessed and seska ;) It's so cool that it just made my jaw drop. 165 is seriously long/tall! How tall is Clare meant to be again because she has to be pretty tall to be able to wield that...
Those figurines do look awesome ^^ I'm not usually into anime figurines but these Claymore ones are something!
Goofus Maximus
2007-04-27, 18:48
Where did you find that picture, Seska? Is it on the official Claymore website?
Daniel E.
2007-04-27, 19:18
Where did you find that picture, Seska? Is it on the official Claymore website?
Yes, it's on the official site. You can see the link one post above his.
Oh I want that Claymore and those Figurines , the Claymore looks really neat : D
First you need the force to moving the Blade. And when the Sword is stuck in the enemy body... She must call her Youma extra boost power for it.
I might be wrong here but I think Clare can handle the Claymore two handed perfectly without even borrowing Yoma powers .But as you said when she has to swing her Claymore around with one arm then the problem arises and she has to draw upon her Yoma Powers . ( ep 2 )
Negativedark
2007-05-03, 08:04
Acording to a freind of mine who is a sword geek, their were two types of historical swords called Claymores. One of witch was a greatsword. Anyone able to confirm if that was right, or was he mixed up.
Acording to a freind of mine who is a sword geek, their were two types of historical swords called Claymores. One of witch was a greatsword. Anyone able to confirm if that was right, or was he mixed up.
Your freind is correct . Greatsword was brought up in this discussion . To get a better idea please do refer this post
Clare's sword seems to be more like greatsword (http://www.thearma.org/essays/2HGS.html) i think.
GundamZZ
2007-05-09, 22:53
The swords in Claymore never break.
Yeah, thanks to plotkai I guess : )
The swords used by the Claymores are not similar to the historical claymore swords. However, it is possible they may have evolved from the earlier version. They are far larger and broader than any historical sword and are obviously designed to illustrate the Claymore's superhuman strength.
The thing which really gets be about them, though, is the tang and handle. They seem to be far too narrow and with the blade ending above the hilt, seem to be an obvious weak point. I'm suprised they don't snap across there.
A normal steel sword might snap, but Claymore's weapons are made of Handwavium alloy. ;)
The blade seems quite thick, which is good for the claymores since they have insane strength and can get some impact in their blows. But there's many scenes where they cut off heads or slice things in half with the "delay effect", like after someone gets cut he walks around for a few seconds thinking haha, where was she aiming and then suddenly bursts into half from somewhere.
That's a cool thing to see sometimes, like with Jubei's sword drawing technique and with those extremely thin katanas, but in Claymore it's just silly. :P
YouTube video of katana vs claymore exhibition (http://anonym.to/?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT2mgWlz8nw)
ever seen that? pretty interesting, even if they're not all that serious.
Claymore is a fantasy anime so it's hard to compare the real life claymores with the anime ones.
I haven't read all the post so sorry if I repeat something.
"Claymore" is the galic term for "Great Sword" so there's pretty much no difference. The original claymores came from Scotland and yes, they had a blade of about 110cm, maybe even larger, depending on the design.
As far as I know from reading here and there, the claymores were used more as a shock weapon due to weight and size, often distributed amongst the first line of soldiers. According to post-medieval records, the claymore was also used against a line of prepared pikemen, it's weight making it easy to smash the pikes out of the way with one swing, exposing the trooper behind. The weakness stood in their lack of use in heated combat due lack of speed and maneuverability. The Scottish claymore, the English great sword, the German Zweihänder (two-hander), all were basically the same design.
In fantasy, claymores vary from one anime/game to another. From Clare's claymore to Cloud's (Final Fantasy) "broadsword" that clearly resembles a claymore.
Try not to bring real physics and stuff into fantasy ...
Claymore_Obsessed
2007-05-11, 13:19
The blade seems quite thick, which is good for the claymores since they have insane strength and can get some impact in their blows. But there's many scenes where they cut off heads or slice things in half with the "delay effect", like after someone gets cut he walks around for a few seconds thinking haha, where was she aiming and then suddenly bursts into half from somewhere.
That's a cool thing to see sometimes, like with Jubei's sword drawing technique and with those extremely thin katanas, but in Claymore it's just silly. :P
mmh, let's try to be the devil's advocate ^^
the delay effect probably makes sense if we consider the speed at which the sword is swung. Even if it's expecially thick, that superhuman speed should make the trick...
YouTube video of katana vs claymore exhibition (http://anonym.to/?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT2mgWlz8nw)
ever seen that? pretty interesting, even if they're not all that serious.
It really an intresting video . Before this show happened I wasnt intrested much in Claymore but this show has peeked my intrest . But I still think Katana > Claymore due to minimum 3 diffrent quenches for the blade .
Claymore mens "Great Sword" in Galic. It is an Anti calvary and anti personal weapon. Clare's sword is more like a fantasy 2 handed ziewhanger. I said fantasy because jugging from the construction, the balance of the blade seem to be closer to the tip compared to the traditional Claymore. Finally, I say this is a fantasy weapon becuase according to the anime, the Claymore use this weapon to cut through the enemy, like with a katana. However, the reality of the situation is that a straight edge is a very poor cutting weapon; the Claymore was design mainly to hack, slash, and gash.
Also, I know the person who is responsible for that Katana Vs. Clay more video. I can say for sure that they are in NO ACCOUNTS CORRECTLY REPRESENTING THE WEAPON. When comparing the Katana to the Claymore, there is simply no comparison. They are not the same type of weapon. Despite that they both have the word "sword" in their title. The function of the Claymore and the Katana are not the same, thus incomparable. In ancient Scotland (1600 ish), claymores were a tool of war. it was not a weapon you carried around with for protection. It was too bulky and slow to draw. Most Scots would carried a board sword and often have concealed weapons stashed in various parts of their outfit as well. The Claymore shows up mainly in war, they are drawn before engaging the initial charge. Because they are a weapon of war, a better comparison would be to the Japanese's weapon of war, the Naginata or Yari. the Katana itself was more of a symbol in war, they were mainly use to cut off heads after the emenly was disarmed by the naginata or yari. Pole arms and arrows accounts for alsmot all of the deaths in Japanese warfare.
About the steel of each weapon. First of all, we must understand that humans have a way to work with what we got. The Japanese was able to refine steel and used differentially cooled treatment to create the hard Yakiba and the soft Ji on their blades. Also, it helps to account for any steel impurities. The steel in Scotland was very poor, so they have to create weapons of war that are of softer metal, but can easily sharpen over and over again. Must like the Naginata, a "perfect" blade is not an efficient tool in war. Additionally, the claymore did not rely on sharpness due to the fact that it was a hack, slash, and gashing weapon, verses a cutting weapon like the katana.
However, the reality of the situation is that a straight edge is a very poor cutting weapon; the Claymore was design mainly to hack, slash, and gash.
QFT Katana was a slicing sword while Claymore was Hack/Slash sword
About the steel of each weapon. First of all, we must understand that humans have a way to work with what we got. The Japanese was able to refine steel and used differentially cooled treatment to create the hard Yakiba and the soft Ji on their blades. Also, it helps to account for any steel impurities. The steel in Scotland was very poor, so they have to create weapons of war that are of softer metal, but can easily sharpen over and over again. Must like the Naginata, a "perfect" blade is not an efficient tool in war. Additionally, the claymore did not rely on sharpness due to the fact that it was a hack, slash, and gashing weapon, verses a cutting weapon like the katana.
Extremly accurate info
.Just to ADD : Katana has a 3 diffrent variants of steel in its blade ( diffrent quenches ) which goes on to form the the actual blade . The different quenchings results in rigidness flexiblity and sharp edge . If I am not mistaken its the low carbon steel goes onto form the Shigane which gives it flexiblity ?
QFT Katana was a slicing sword while Claymore was Hack/Slash sword
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Extremly accurate info
.Just to ADD : Katana has a 3 diffrent variants of steel in its blade ( diffrent quenches ) which goes on to form the the actual blade . The different quenchings results in rigidness flexiblity and sharp edge . If I am not mistaken its the low carbon steel goes onto form the Shigane which gives it flexiblity ?
Most modern Katana are made of 1045 up to 1060 carbon monosteel. But in Nihondo, they did not have mono steel, therefor they indeed used techniques to create Shigane to make the core more flexible. However, they also made the blade s much more expensive and take a very skilled sword smith to repair. Also, Katana CAN slice, chop, and gash, but it's design was to cut. Much like the semitar, katanas have an unique Sori.
@Claymore_Obsessed
About that comment on claymores (the sword) being able to cut with superhuman strength, I would have to disagree. The target, in which this case are flesh, tends to split when hacked through. Even at high speed, the angle of the sword would only increase the rate of which the target splits. Finally, if you or your friend even done Teshigiri with soaked omoe, they would tell you that strength only accounts for 25% of a good cut.
Warning: bunch of numbers that probably don't even answer the question. :)
Well, certainly it's a fantasy variant rather than a 'standard' claymore. It does have a forward-swept crossguard, though the blade doesn't go all the way to the guard.
A rough guesstimate from the start of the OP would put the blade at 6 inches across at the widest point (compared vs fist width), compared to about 2.5 inches for the one in the picture. The hilt looks to be comensurately longer than standard, probably 12-15".
For the length, there are a number of somewhat conflicting factors.
1) Made a quick estimation based on the OP picture of the blade strapped to her back, and on her entrance to Raki's town. If she's 5'6" (66") (a little tall for typical female anime characters, but pretty average for European, which this seems to draw heavily on), figure her shoulder is at 56", 8" clearance from the ground for the blade, and held at a 20 degree angle, that puts the blade's length at about 50" long, and total sword length around 62"+. This is in line with the suggestion that it's closer to a two-handed greatsword than a basic claymore, and the general design supports that as well.
1a) Same thing, but taken from the character illustration on the web site, places blade length at perhaps 48".
2) Raki is about 8" shorter than Clare (see him walking behind her in episode 1), and the statue with the sword is about 6" shorter than Raki, which would put total length at 52" (if we assume 66" for Clare's height). Given that the hilt is at least 12 inches, that puts the blade length at 40".
3) When resting against her sword, I'd only peg its blade length at around 40ish inches -- about 33 inches of blade sticking out of the ground (relative to her 66" height), plus however deep she drove it.
Considering variations that the artists are likely to use just to make things fit nicely, I'd be willing to go with 48" as the blade length.
Accounting for the increase in the volume of metal used for the greater thickness and length (primarily the thickness), it can weigh around 3-7 times as much as a standard claymore (for 16-38 pounds), or 4-6 times as much as a two-handed sword (for 16-48 pounds). My best guess would be in the 25-30 pound range.
We can also run a little calculation using the density formula from the two-handed swords page. Length: 48 inches. Width: at base is 6 inches, tapering off to about 3 inches near the end before suddenly coming to a point; also tapered near hilt; say an average of 4 inches wide. Thickness: appears to be about as thick as the hilt at the center (around 1"), tapering off to edges, but keeping the majority of that thickness along its length; overall average of a bit under half an inch; call it 0.4. Density of 0.284 lb/in^3. Total weight: 22 pounds. Then add in a bit for the hilt and guard to put it around 25 pounds.
I think that would officially qualify as "obscenely heavy", especially for something being swung around with one hand on a regular basis. And while it's fairly close in some aspects to real known swords, there are enough differences that it's at best an approximation.
Exelent post ... just one thing... USE METRIC DAMN IT LIKE THE REST OF THE FUCKING WORLD!!
NoSanninWa
2007-05-22, 14:29
It annoys me that they easily draw swords longer than their arms. Try putting a sword's scabbard at your shoulder like they do and then draw a sword longer than your arm. Obviously it is impossible!
We see her walking along with a swords on her backs, then we see her with the sword in her hand. Once I saw the sword slightly-drawn, but there was no indication that the point would be able to clear the mouth of the scabbard. Never do we see the sword being fully drawn. Why? Because it is anatomically impossible. The only thing I can think is that she can flip the sword into the air and then catch it when it falls down.
It annoys me that they easily draw swords longer than their arms. Try putting a sword's scabbard at your shoulder like they do and then draw a sword longer than your arm. Obviously it is impossible!
Consider it's shaped like an egg,
Okey now, if we consider the weight distribution, then if you pull it out fast, leaning it just a little to the side, then it should roll over when it's out and you should (of course we are in fizics and skill fantasy land here) be able to grab it.
See, not totally impossible. :D :heh:
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Regarding the claymore shape.
I'm guessing that with such a shape and low center of gravity the sword would not only be unbalanced, but in a swing would produce less force on the tip (and proportionally on the rest of the blade) then is used by the user to do the swing in the first place. (which for a sword is kind of stupid) Also, in a piercing move would be very easily reflected.
Well the wide blade and triangle shape do ensure it will not break or bend easily when it's used to slash and pierce, even if normal non-fantasy metals are used. But still, it looks to me more like a compromise then a weapon. =/
It is damn cool looking though. And that's all that matters. =)
NoSanninWa
2007-05-22, 16:35
Consider it's shaped like an egg,
Okey now, if we consider the weight distribution, then if you pull it out fast, leaning it just a little to the side, then it should roll over when it's out and you should (of course we are in fizics and skill fantasy land here) be able to grab it.
See, not totally impossible. :D :heh:
Of course! All we have to do is assume an egg shaped sword and it becomes possible! :heh: I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one bothered by this.
It annoys me that they easily draw swords longer than their arms. Try putting a sword's scabbard at your shoulder like they do and then draw a sword longer than your arm. Obviously it is impossible!
We see her walking along with a swords on her backs, then we see her with the sword in her hand. Once I saw the sword slightly-drawn, but there was no indication that the point would be able to clear the mouth of the scabbard. Never do we see the sword being fully drawn. Why? Because it is anatomically impossible. The only thing I can think is that she can flip the sword into the air and then catch it when it falls down.
One thing that could happen is if the scabbard is a half sheath, Meaning that the blade can be slipped in and out the scabbard mid way. Some highlander sheaths are made this way so the warrior can unsheathe their own sword w/o help of others. Still, there is no freaking way they can draw so fast. The angle of draw is still physically impossible.
Kinematics
2007-05-22, 20:18
Exelent post ... just one thing... USE METRIC DAMN IT LIKE THE REST OF THE FUCKING WORLD!!
Heh :) I considered it, but since the original image (as well as the page on greatswords) was given with stats in pounds/inches I just kept with that system.
grey_moon
2007-05-27, 15:36
The swords in Claymore never break.
The guard's sword broke in the holy city ;), but then again he wasn't sexy with silver eyes...
Defiled one
2007-05-27, 15:53
mmh, let's try to be the devil's advocate ^^
the delay effect probably makes sense if we consider the speed at which the sword is swung. Even if it's expecially thick, that superhuman speed should make the trick...
Then there would be some pretty flying claymores around.
Look! Up in sky!
Is it a bird?
Is it a youma?
NO!
It`s a flying sword!!! :heh:
If it slips from their hands, at that speed. God have mercy:twitch:
Better to be heavy, they dont feel a thing.
If it slips from their hands, at that speed. God have mercy:twitch:
Hmm. Considering all the blood that spills in the major battles, it's kinda funny how Irene, Flora, or Clare haven't lost their grip yet.
stormy001_M1A2
2007-06-06, 13:53
I am not too sure if real world swordsmanship applies in Claymore since the way these females fight is above superhuman.
Claymore_Obsessed
2007-06-07, 14:58
In episode 10, I have noticed that the hilts have different colors, green, brown... maybe they get their swords with a custom color? ^^
TinyRedLeaf
2007-06-08, 03:13
Haha, maybe the swords come with swap-able hilts, like mobile phone covers? :p
It was never shown in the anime, but in the manga, it's indicated that the hilts are hollow (the warriors keep their black cards inside -- pop out the pommel, and out slides the card). If that's the case, who knows? Maybe you can switch to different coloured hilt whenever the mood strikes you. Lol, yes, I know, it's completely unrealistic, but hey, it's a fantasy world. :D
Okita Souji
2007-06-14, 05:58
Hei, demo....
First you need the force to moving the Blade. And when the Sword is stuck in the enemy body... She must call
her Youma extra boost power for it.
Tip: Try swinging a "Tachi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachi)" Sword around. If you overdo it, your wrists will hurt the next day and muscles in the underarm part, too.
(I have done it, but with a Katana in Toledo style). Well, like a car. If the sword are in move you don't need that much muscles like in the start. Long live Physics (Mass acceleration)
Well, in using a katana or tachi, your wrists will only hurt if you have an improper "tenouchi" (grip) or if you let your wrists "break" when you cut. The idea is to grip the katana in a manner that allows you to use the curvature of the blade to cut. Letting your wrists "break" as you cut defeats the purpose of the curvature. The wrist injuries that occur in the dojo I train at usually come from incorrect tenouchi. You'll see wrist movements in kendo because of the shinai and the fact you score points vs. cut.
All that happens is you end up striking or hacking into the opponent/target. As for the muscles part, the underarm part shouldn't really hurt much since all you'd do in a cut in let gravity do the work. If anything muscles in the upper arm would be more prone to being sore due to the lifting the sword over the head before cutting down.
I don't mean to pick apart your post, but from my experience what you mentioned is not a factor with the Japanese sword.
Most modern Katana are made of 1045 up to 1060 carbon monosteel. But in Nihondo, they did not have mono steel, therefor they indeed used techniques to create Shigane to make the core more flexible. However, they also made the blade s much more expensive and take a very skilled sword smith to repair. Also, Katana CAN slice, chop, and gash, but it's design was to cut. Much like the semitar, katanas have an unique Sori.
Are you talking about the mass produced katana coming out of places like China's Hanwei forge right? I know some of the asian companies have also been making a lot of European repros and anime related weapons as well. Maybe they'll mass produce a copy of Claire's sword :)
Animaniac: DN Guy
2007-06-17, 17:35
Well.... I didn't see it well because I'm reading the manga but it's cool!
pushpaka
2007-06-19, 20:15
I wonder if Yagi will ever show how his swords are made. Those "Claymores" are practically indestructible!
Clare blocks a direct hit from one of Dauph's impact rods. It wasn't a deflection, she totally just used the flat of her blade to take the full-on strike. Dauph's rods smash through stone and metal with equal ease. So there's got to be something rather unnatural about those swords - maybe they're forged with yoma ingredients?
Panzerklein
2007-06-20, 07:41
I think compare Claymore vs Nodachi will more fair than Claymore vs Katana :D.
The longest Nodachi was created in 16th century is 3,7m total length and 2,2m blade length, and the average height of a Japanese Warrior in that time is 1,5~1,6m . Imaging a Samurai carry that sword is really funny. But almost Nodachi are 90~120 cm blade length.
stormy001_M1A2
2007-06-20, 12:02
I cannot imagine any normal humans can lift these swords and swing it for combat. To carry it alone will require super human effort, it kinda reminds me of German Zweihander swords during Hapsburg dominance of Europe.
Haha, maybe the swords come with swap-able hilts, like mobile phone covers? :pbeing constrained inside a life without perspectives other than hunting yomas, and having just such gadgets to be content with... such a cruel destiny, poor girls... :sad:
I wonder if Yagi will ever show how his swords are made. Those "Claymores" are practically indestructible!
Clare blocks a direct hit from one of Dauph's impact rods. It wasn't a deflection, she totally just used the flat of her blade to take the full-on strike. Dauph's rods smash through stone and metal with equal ease. So there's got to be something rather unnatural about those swords - maybe they're forged with yoma ingredients? that, and the fact that our heroines repeatedly use their sword against wood, walls, rocks, and against each other's blade (and we've seen, at what immense speed Claymores make their blades collide) - the level of wear induced should be very high, yet their swords retain a razor-sharp blade capable to make a "delay-cut" perfect slice at any given time...
of course this is fantasy, but then we shall assume the Organization forge their swords in mithril...
that sword is cool~ the figurines too~ but i heard they cost quite a price...
TinyRedLeaf
2007-06-27, 02:37
Clare's sword is more like a fantasy 2 handed ziewhanger. The reality of the situation is that a straight edge is a very poor cutting weapon; the Claymore was design mainly to hack, slash, and gash...
....Additionally, the claymore did not rely on sharpness due to the fact that it was a hack, slash, and gashing weapon, verses a cutting weapon like the katana.
Out of curiosity, when you look at the evolution of swords in Middle Ages Europe, I wonder why they were predominately straight-edged weapons? In fact, longswords became progressively thinner and longer, and eventually evolved into the rapier popular during the Renaissance period.
What were the specific tactics and battlefield conditions in medieval Europe that favoured the longsword over the curved-bladed swords more commonly found in Asia?
If I were to hazard a guess, is it something to do with the heavier armour worn by European knights? That is, I reckon that it was easier to puncture plate or chainmail than it is to "cut" through them?
In comparison, Asiatic swords (ranging from the Persian/Iranian scimitar to the Indian talwar and the Japanese katana) were primarily used to cut through lighter armour, and were therefore designed with the curved-edge better suited for cutting?
FatPianoBoy
2007-06-27, 03:13
If I were to hazard a guess, is it something to do with the heavier armour worn by European knights? That is, I reckon that it was easier to puncture plate or chainmail than it is to "cut" through them?
In comparison, Asiatic swords (ranging from the Persian/Iranian scimitar to the Indian talwar and the Japanese katana) were primarily used to cut through lighter armour, and were therefore designed with the curved-edge better suited for cutting?
Basically.
Due to the heavy armor that was in vogue in that period, it was more practical to aim to crush someone with their own armor; rendering them immobile and eventually suffocating them - hence the existence of large, heavy weapons such as maces, ball-and-chains, and greatswords. The swords became thinner as this armor faded due to its unwieldiness and limited effectiveness after the popularization of the crossbow and other armor-piercing technology. The reason it was never curved is possibly because European sword arts tend to favor stabbing to slashing, it just never occurred to them, it's easier to engineer a straight blade than a curved one, or a combination.
Ejinathan
2007-06-28, 08:30
Oh, nice :)
Ok, it's a bit longer than estimated. 165 cm = 65 in; my guess was a 48" blade + 12" hilt = 60". Not too far off, considering my initial estimate would have put it at 62-65".
7 kg = 15.4 lb, so it's far lighter than estimated, though still a good bit heavier than 'normal' swords.
And now I need to find out where I can find a set of those Teresa + Clare figures :)
I would carry that sword and swing with no problems with 1 hand. There are men that can take 700-800 lb in this world you know and i can just maybe take over 230-250 lb i guess.
But the swing speed is something different.
A question for curiosity inquiry:
1. How much difference lies between a Claymore and a Zweihänder?
Claymore is actually smaller but has about almost the same weight as Zweihander.
Funny I just notice that name for Zweihander is two hander.
Maybe it Forge with some special Technic. Since it can cut Youma Blade when Normal sword cannot do it. Damascus maybe?
Panzerklein
2007-08-06, 04:44
And the material for anime Claymore is Titanium :).
Mandrake
2007-08-06, 04:54
Titanium is a rather poor material for a sword.
Panzerklein
2007-08-06, 08:04
Why titanium is good material for armor will is poor fo a sword?
parrywrinkle
2007-08-06, 09:39
The only thing I'm uncomfortable with is how they sheath their claymores after they're done with them. They wouldn't be able to sheath it into a scabbard that they carry behind them due to the angle the claymores can enter the scabbard at and the length of their arms. But in the anime, that's what it seems they do. Maybe they use high powered magnets or carry something really sticky on their backs all the time, so they don't really sheath it but stick it back.
Panzerklein
2007-08-06, 10:13
Because it just a anime, not real life. There have many unreals, like in many game is how character can hold polearm weapon on thier back without anything to hold.
Goofus Maximus
2007-08-06, 10:44
I don't think that thing on their back is a scabbard, actually. Rather, it's just a metal disk with a slot on the top (okay, TWO slots; one for rightys and one for leftys), with the slot being somewhat larger than the width of the claymore blade.
The question is, how do they sheath their swords without stabbing themselves in the back or piercing their cloaks?
Panzerklein
2007-08-06, 11:00
I don't think that thing on their back is a scabbard, actually. Rather, it's just a metal disk with a slot on the top (okay, TWO slots; one for rightys and one for leftys), with the slot being somewhat larger than the width of the claymore blade.
The question is, how do they sheath their swords without stabbing themselves in the back or piercing their cloaks?
No problem with the width of the blade part and scabbard, but problem is the lenght of sword and their arm, their arm is shorter than the sword so much, it not easy to sheath or draw the sword to the scabbard, but they did it like do with a dagger with the dagger's cover.
TheNewbSwordsMan
2007-08-06, 21:49
The question is, how do they sheath their swords without stabbing themselves in the back or piercing their cloaks?
lots and lots of practice :)
chibamonster
2008-05-03, 14:25
Hehe, who would have thought that some of the questions posed by this thread would be answered as well? At least according to the Chinese translations that have been shown... Also some of the stuff in the image thread would be much better suited for this thread where the swordsman of the forum could talk unrestrained.
Some claymore swords.http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/3090/claymoreswordssetjpgrzdbv1.jpg
They are like Longsword than 2-handed sword.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j1/infernus9/Swords/scottish-claymore-sword-11.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j1/infernus9/Swords/landsknechte-sword-2630.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j1/infernus9/Swords/two-handed-bastard-sword-20.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j1/infernus9/Swords/william-wallace-sword-2014.jpg
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From top to bottom.
16th/17th century Scottish Claymore*
16th century German true two handed Sword often named a Flamberger (Flamebringer). Famous because of the German Landsknechts.
15th century bastard (half and a hand) sword like weapon. hard to tell in the picture
15th/17th century true two-hander or great sword. Italian maybe?
But yes! They are all longswords;)
* All sottish swords are often referred to as claymore. Even the older shorter one. these sword are recognizable because of they're V shaped crossguards wich appear some were in the 14th century or maybe even earlier.
Panzerklein
2008-05-04, 01:58
From top to bottom.
16th/17th century Scottish Claymore*
16th century German true two handed Sword often named a Flamberger (Flamebringer). Famous because of the German Landsknechts.
15th century bastard (half and a hand) sword like weapon. hard to tell in the picture
15th/17th century true two-hander or great sword. Italian maybe?
But yes! They are all longswords;)
* All sottish swords are often referred to as claymore. Even the older shorter one. these sword are recognizable because of they're V shaped crossguards wich appear some were in the 14th century or maybe even earlier.
Nope, Longsword is not Two-handed sword, it is is usually used by 1 hand (Cavalry) or 1 and half hand (Infantry), almost Infantry use 1 and half hand if they don't use shield or when they exhaust, but almost medieval Infantry use shield, so they use just 1 hand :|.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/Sword_parts.svg/550px-Sword_parts.svg.png
Good work Chiba, you showed the guys our swords.:);):p:D
Hisoka??
2008-05-09, 02:13
Why titanium is good material for armor will is poor fo a sword?
If i remember my engineering materials correctly titanium has imbalanced tensile str. In one angle it's incredibly strong but in the other(90degree difference) it's very weak.
Df-tommy
2008-05-09, 05:36
In episode 10, I have noticed that the hilts have different colors, green, brown... maybe they get their swords with a custom color? ^^
Hello,
someone in this forum mentioned that the color of the sword's hilt may be related to the owner's class (Green for defensive-type warriors and red for offensive-type warriors). Single digit warriors' hilts are blue.
chibamonster
2008-05-09, 08:24
Now that is something I did not notice Df-tommy. That is an interesting addition to the story the anime would have made. From the colored page in the most recent chapter I can't see Miria's hilt and from her extra chapter hers appears to be black although it is washed out in the rain. Teresa's hilt looks to be a simmilar washed out in her extra chapter cover. Clarice's sword appears to have a black hilt from her cover on chapter 74. Clare also seems to have a black one. Galatea's hilt is the same color as her nuns dress on the cover of 76. From the colored pages it seems that they are all black, but for the anime to do that it would be pretty cool. Maybe I'll look for it next time I'm watching. :D
Colors can be hard to tell in black and white manga, like silver eyes or Clarice's colored hair. I think the anime did a really good job with hair colors of claymores and the like.
TinyRedLeaf
2008-05-09, 09:33
If i remember my engineering materials correctly titanium has imbalanced tensile str. In one angle it's incredibly strong but in the other(90degree difference) it's very weak.
Regardless what material their claymores are made out of, at a cursory glance, the weapons are all probably horribly unbalanced in real life. (The pommel is far too tiny in relation to the length and size of the blade. A pommel is supposed to serve as a counterweight to balance a sword, usually at around 1/3 of its length, measured from the tip of its hilt.) In addition to great strength, every warrior probably needs tendons of solid steel to wield their claymores without causing injury to themselves.
Now that is something I did not notice Df-tommy. That is an interesting addition to the story the anime would have made. From the colored page in the most recent chapter I can't see Miria's hilt and from her extra chapter hers appears to be black although it is washed out in the rain. Teresa's hilt looks to be a simmilar washed out in her extra chapter cover. Clarice's sword appears to have a black hilt from her cover on chapter 74. Clare also seems to have a black one. Galatea's hilt is the same color as her nuns dress on the cover of 76. From the colored pages it seems that they are all black, but for the anime to do that it would be pretty cool. Maybe I'll look for it next time I'm watching. :D
Colors can be hard to tell in black and white manga, like silver eyes or Clarice's colored hair. I think the anime did a really good job with hair colors of claymores and the like.
In the anime you can see the different coloured hilts, I'm just not sure how many colours there are I never checked.
The anime did do a good job but the anime made the claymore's look a little older then in the manga I think.
Panzerklein
2008-05-09, 19:13
In the anime you can see the different coloured hilts, I'm just not sure how many colours there are I never checked.
The anime did do a good job but the anime made the claymore's look a little older then in the manga I think.
3 colors, Green for Defensive type, Red for Offensive tye, and Blue for Single Digit.
3 colors, Green for Defensive type, Red for Offensive tye, and Blue for Single Digit.
Thanks I have been trying to figure that out forever, but I thought I saw black before one time. Oh well must have seen wrong I guess.
one thing that bothers me about the Claymores.
Why do they insist on blocking a sword slash blade to blade?
You are supposed to block with the bunt side of the sword to prevent damage to the blade. dents cuts etc.
but i guess that's not a problem when you own a blade that is made out of a material that is reminiscent to diamonds. might as well be Adamantium
I would carry that sword and swing with no problems with 1 hand. There are men that can take 700-800 lb in this world you know and i can just maybe take over 230-250 lb i guess.
But the swing speed is something different.
Can take? What is it you mean exactly? The whole point of a sword is being able to utilize speed. In any event the numbers you post are moronic.
graywolf202
2008-07-07, 21:05
Hullo. Newbie here. Just thought about a way how Claymores sheath/unsheath their big swords. The main idea is it's all about the scabbard: they use a short clam-like scabbard instead of a tube-like scabbard. I'll be posting it here soon, just give me time to draw stuff.
Hullo. Newbie here. Just thought about a way how Claymores sheath/unsheath their big swords. The main idea is it's all about the scabbard: they use a short clam-like scabbard instead of a tube-like scabbard. I'll be posting it here soon, just give me time to draw stuff.
Well, due to claymore strength, they just unsheath it in a straight movement. More precisely, an upright movement.
Well, due to claymore strength, they just unsheath it in a straight movement. More precisely, an upright movement.
The problem with that is the sword's length - it's longer than the arm.
That could be solved with a partial scabbard - like the one Guts uses in Berserk, but the problem here is that their Claymores are under their capes, which seem to be attached to their shoulder pieces, but that yeilds us back to the same problem we started with.
The model of Clare doesn't seem to yield any clues either...
Yeah, i understand you problem here......probally thier hands can extend a little in length when unshealting.....but I haven't seen that yet.
I really don't have a clue how they unshealth it so fast and without difficulty since the length is the problem here.
There is also another possibility that the scabboard can move a little to the side when the claymore unshealth it since the shoulder piece might be movable.
Then there would be some pretty flying claymores around.
Look! Up in sky!
Is it a bird?
Is it a youma?
NO!
It`s a flying sword!!! :heh:
If it slips from their hands, at that speed. God have mercy:twitch:
Better to be heavy, they dont feel a thing.
ROFL LOL so funny but true:heh:
Awakened
2008-07-17, 08:34
Yeah, i understand you problem here......probally thier hands can extend a little in length when unshealting.....but I haven't seen that yet.
I really don't have a clue how they unshealth it so fast and without difficulty since the length is the problem here.
There is also another possibility that the scabboard can move a little to the side when the claymore unshealth it since the shoulder piece might be movable.
They could shealth and unshealth the sword by stages. First they will need to hold the blade of the sword at a length short enough to shealth it, then let go and catch the handle of the sword. Another way is to trough the word in the air and let it fall into place. ha ha haha aaaa
ok, that was not that funny.
Spectacular_Insanity
2008-07-18, 14:27
Yeah, i understand you problem here......probally thier hands can extend a little in length when unshealting.....but I haven't seen that yet.
I really don't have a clue how they unshealth it so fast and without difficulty since the length is the problem here.
There is also another possibility that the scabboard can move a little to the side when the claymore unshealth it since the shoulder piece might be movable.
Or, it could be an anime, and it doesn't matter because they could make the swords taller than the Claymores who wield them and they would still have no trouble drawing them out of their scabbards.
Seriously. None of you understand theater at all. They can do whatever they want in anime, as long as it looks cool. "Practicality" is never an issue. :rolleyes:
mysociallink2
2008-07-20, 01:12
Yes, any size sword could be drawn in amine.
http://www.mmorpg-guy.com/pics/am.jpg
http://www.mmorpg-guy.com/pics/am1.jpg
http://www.mmorpg-guy.com/pics/am2.jpg
graywolf202
2008-07-24, 00:23
Sorry this came really late. Got a little busy with stuff. Anyway, here's my theory on how Claymores draw their sword
http://forums.animesuki.com/picture.php?albumid=471&pictureid=5360
First, you pull the sword scabbard unlocking it from the scabbard.
Then, you swing it between your back and the cape all the way up to the right shoulder.
Then, you can bring it down to your guard.
The ones in italics are better explained with the hardware that goes with this theory. Can't find the file right now. Going to post those latter this day (version 2). I'm currently working on version 3 of the hardware.
Yeah, i like italics :D
graywolf202
2008-07-24, 21:11
Here's version 2.
The clam scabbard. It incorporates a hinge to grip the sword and some sort of locking mechanism.
http://forums.animesuki.com/picture.php?albumid=471&pictureid=5396.jpg
Here's how the clam scabbard works.
Initially, sword is fully sheated. Clam scabbard is locked.
Pulling the sword a couple of inches unlocks the clam scabbard.
Sword can now be moved sideways.
http://forums.animesuki.com/picture.php?albumid=471&pictureid=5398.jpg
Alternatively, instead of a clam scabbard, it can be a clip scabbard made from a spring metal.
http://forums.animesuki.com/picture.php?albumid=471&pictureid=5397.jpg
The clam (or clip) scabbard is welded onto a "plate" to form a plate (I run out of names).
http://forums.animesuki.com/picture.php?albumid=471&pictureid=5399.jpg
Two plates are then bolted together (using those three holes) forming a carriage.
http://forums.animesuki.com/picture.php?albumid=471&pictureid=5400.jpg
The figure below shows the how the carriage is integrated with the rest of the upper body armor. (Uh, I adjusted carriage's dimensions to fit the human body so it looks kinda different from the previous figures.)
http://forums.animesuki.com/picture.php?albumid=471&pictureid=5401.jpg
The figure below shows the carriage mounted on a warrior.
http://forums.animesuki.com/picture.php?albumid=471&pictureid=5402.jpg
Okay, so here's how to draw the sword.
First, pull sword thereby unlocking the clam scabbard.
Next, swing sword sideways between the plates of the carriage [hence, between the warrior's back and cape] all the way up to the right shoulder.
Finally, bring sword to guard stance.
http://forums.animesuki.com/picture.php?albumid=471&pictureid=5403.jpg
http://forums.animesuki.com/picture.php?albumid=471&pictureid=5360.jpg
Spectacular_Insanity
2008-07-24, 21:34
Your pictures are not showing up at all. I tried "quoting" your posts and the forum html syntax is all wrong. There are no .gif, .jpg, or .png extensions for the [IMG] tags to use.
graywolf202
2008-07-25, 03:57
edited the post above. can you see the images now? working on version 3.
edited the post above. can you see the images now? working on version 3.
Very nicely done @gray, I can see the pics perfectly. Good explanation and interpretation.:)
Awakened
2008-07-25, 12:05
edited the post above. can you see the images now? working on version 3.
Are you an engineer?
Am currently trying to become one.
williamaugustus
2008-07-25, 12:48
Are you an engineer?
Am currently trying to become one.
hey me too. but not this kind of engineer.a biomedical engineer.
@graywolf, good job with the pics. it explains quiet well.
graywolf202
2008-07-25, 18:41
@Awakened: Am not engineer, shifted on the last minute. Good luck on the engineer thing though.
@williamaugustus: You a biomedical engineer? That's great! Been looking for someone with knowledge on physiology or biophysics. I need a consult. I was kinda worried that my design might require Claymores to dislocate their shoulders to draw their sword. What do you think?
graywolf202
2008-07-25, 23:09
Okay, here's version three. My hands are beginning to kill me so I won't be able to elaborate. Please refer to version two for background.
V3.
Compact, lighter version of V2.
Carriage and clam (or clip) scabbard integrated to form a snake carriage (or s-carriage).
Parts are shown below.
Light-blue is the crescent (main body of the s-carriage).
Yellow is the moving part of the clam scabbard.
Dark-blue is the central hinge connecting the two crescents.
Orange part (appendix) of the crescent fits inside the hollow of the central hinge.
http://forums.animesuki.com/picture.php?albumid=557&pictureid=5502.jpg
Method of operation is shown below.
>Initially, sword/s (not shown) is sheathed. Clam scabbard is locked. Central hinge is bent. Appendix partially inside the central hinge.
>Sword is drawn. Clam scabbard is unlocked. Central hinge is straightened. Appendix fully inside the central hinge.
http://forums.animesuki.com/picture.php?albumid=557&pictureid=5503.jpg
Mounted on warrior. (Yeah, I distorted the dimensions to fit warrior)
http://forums.animesuki.com/picture.php?albumid=557&pictureid=5504.jpg
Sorry guyz. Really sleepy right now. Hope, things are clear.
Must find engineer to fill in details. Must find machinist to build it. Must find cosplayer to wear it. Must ..... zzzzzzz
Kinematics
2008-07-27, 20:40
Very nicely thought out. Good diagrams, too :)
Spectacular_Insanity
2008-07-27, 21:22
Wow, skillfully interpreted, and very nice diagrams.
Great pictures...It is symmetrically accurate.
But i think claymores weapon aren't that sophisticated.....
graywolf202
2008-08-01, 21:24
Hmmm. Here's version 2.5. It's basically a simpler version of V3
http://forums.animesuki.com/picture.php?albumid=557&pictureid=5971.JPG
Basically, it's V3 with clip scabbard (refer to V2) instead of the clam scabbard. The s-carriage has no central hinge so it's always in the semi-open position. It has no mechanical parts except for the springy metal of the clip scabbard. Integrates with the rest of the body armor as before.
Note 1.
V2.5 was conceptualized while designing an 'upgrade' from V2 to V3 hence the name. It's more like a 'prototype' than an actual finished design which is why it didn't have a version # until now.
Note 2.
However, as it is, it's supposed to be
> as simple as V2 (clip scabbard version)
> designed to address some design problems in V2
> as light and compact as BUT simpler than V3
Note 3.
Personally I don't really like this design because it "feels" incomplete. :(This is mainly because V3 was designed to address design problems in V2; on the other hand, V2.5 (which was just a 'prototype') doesn't fix as much of the design problems as V3. Nevertheless, V2.5 is simpler than V3.
Note 4.
There's a error in one of the diagrams in V2 if you look closely. It's in that part where two plates are joined to form a carriage. :heh:
AHHHHHHH!!!
Awakened
2008-08-24, 05:38
Hmmm. Here's version 2.5. It's basically a simpler version of V3
http://forums.animesuki.com/picture.php?albumid=557&pictureid=5971.JPG
What program did you use to draw your pictures?
Autocad is way to expensive.
graywolf202
2008-08-25, 04:48
Used something a tad less complicated, more straightforward and a LOT cheaper than autocad (considering that it came with the OS). :D It's called
MS Paint
;)
Awakened
2008-08-25, 13:20
Used something a tad less complicated, more straightforward and a LOT cheaper than autocad (considering that it came with the OS). :D It's called
MS Paint
;)
lol, Paint is a pain, no shortcuts.
Something so complicated as clam scabbard is totally unnecessary. Claymores' swords are held on their back by two hooks. Lower hook holds the blade and the metal dome acts as hook for crossguard. (sorry, about quality, its from webcam)
If you want to see this in action, look at this video - http://files.nebulastation.net/claymore_scabbard.avi
http://files.nebulastation.net/claymore_scabbard.jpg
Hey good job with that, with a little more work and you can make that claymore look real.
Very nicely done indeed, that's dedication and determination.
KillerYomaFromSpace
2008-10-25, 16:06
that's awesome Walter, you should paint it
graywolf202
2008-10-25, 21:41
Hullo. It's cool. Simple (hence rugged and reliable) , easy to make, low cost, etc.
One thing though . . . try jumping up and down, do a somersault, back flip and fall head down first.
Anyways, modify it a bit to make it more stable.
I don't remember a claymore ever doing acrobatics with sword on their back.
LOL I think graywolf202 means while your holding it, not with it on your back.:heh:
clarakiss~
2009-05-25, 05:53
the sword that isley materalized in his hand before he died, i wonder that resembled the sword of the male claymores?
he then made a comment like 'in the end, i resort to this?' isley sounded he didn't liked the idea of using it because it very much reminded him of his old days as a claymore and it was pitiful to him cuz it was the only option he had left in defending himself against the zombie ladies.
ur thoughts?
Shiek927
2009-05-25, 11:15
Possibly; looking at it though, it doesn't really seem to have a design all that different from normal Claymores.
However, it we are to assume Raki's new armor and broadsword were originally Isley's, it looks vastly different.
Well, I liked that sword very much indeed, and hated it when it finally broke after that intense battle.:)
If Raki's sword had originally been Isley's, it should have a symbol.
What if symbols weren't used in Easley's time?
clarakiss~
2009-05-25, 15:56
What if symbols weren't used in Easley's time?
that's a possibility. they're the first generation after all.
and about raki's sword, didn't renee say it's a broadsword when she saw it? :confused:
Shiek927
2009-05-25, 18:42
that's a possibility. they're the first generation after all.
and about raki's sword, didn't renee say it's a broadsword when she saw it? :confused:
Claymore's have also been referred to as Broadswords is my memory is correct; By the Awakened Being that Ophelia fought.
I find it hard to believe however that symbols weren't used even in the first generation, if only to have a form of identification.
Well, I did like Raki's sword too, must need quite some strength to weal that thing.:)
clarakiss~
2009-08-07, 21:26
another thing... is raki's sword longer than the one claymores use? he's tall but the sword he's using is like a foot shorter than him. or are all of them are at the same length?
Shiek927
2009-08-07, 21:43
another thing... is raki's sword longer than the one claymores use? he's tall but the sword he's using is like a foot shorter than him. or are all of them are at the same length?
I would it's about the same as a Claymore. When it's sheathed in 02-03 of Chapter 81, we see it travel down a little below his knees, which is more or less the same length for Claymores.
there's also the fact that renee compares it to original claymores when ispecting that yoma he brought down. She sez sth like it looks like killed by a big blade like a claymore...and then goes on "that broadsword would fit the description or so" although I always thought it might actually be a little bit shorter than a claymore... but that's maybe just because its so broad at the hilt...
there's also the fact that renee compares it to original claymores when ispecting that yoma he brought down. She sez sth like it looks like killed by a big blade like a claymore...and then goes on "that broadsword would fit the description or so" although I always thought it might actually be a little bit shorter than a claymore... but that's maybe just because its so broad at the hilt...
Late bastard swords tends to be thick and long. Length of blade in most cases is determined by height of owner. Raki is rather tall, so he could easily use long bastard sword. Biggest bastard sword weight up to 2 kg with lenght up to 140 cm. In medieval Europe average male height was 160 cm. Orginal scottisch Claymores was also up to 140 cm long (claymores were double - handed swords, while bastards swords "one and a half").
Longest European swords like Flamberge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame-bladed_sword) or Espadon were up to 180 cm long, 3,5kg weight.
yeah I know, I read the links that were somewhere up here before...
and I also used to do pen & paper rpgs so you get to know lots of swords that way :heh: .. incidently a friend of mine 4 some time used to play this insanely anoying warrior-character, he always used to insist on a oneandahalfhand... sayin shorter or longer would be crap...and always playin on the char's comical side with that....I have that in memory as sooo funny... so yeah, one hand, two hand, inbetween.....been there, done that :D
anyway was just talking about what it"looked" like to me in the manga out of memory... but thx 4 the headsup ;)
graywolf202
2009-08-13, 01:21
Just a thought. Their swords might be sort of "security blankets" for Claymores, after all a swordsman without a sword is half-dead. This might contribute to their "inability" to sleep without the feel of their swords on their backs. This would be a reason why Galatea hid her sword in her bed of all places.
Just a thought. Their swords might be sort of "security blankets" for Claymores, after all a swordsman without a sword is half-dead.
Not unless it's Miata :heh:
HegemonKhan
2009-09-26, 23:35
i haven't read all the posts here so forgive me if i'm repeating stuff.. anyways...
i think the claymores (swords) were mainly used on the home continent, BEFORE the Organization/Organization's side created the yoma.
oh, the Organization brought the claymores (swords) to the island (duh), and they serve well for the Claymores against the yomas and awakened ones.
but the claymores (swords) really are meaningless, when the claymore awakens and becomes an awakened one.
awakened ones are powerful enough to cut-damage-kill other awakened ones (ultimately toward the development of controllable awakened ones to be used by the Organization against the dragons on the home continent).
so claymores (swords) have kinda lost their place.
the Organization is somewhat near controllable awakened beings (alicia+beth+soul link) to be used against the dragons on the home continent, so claymores (swords) are no longer needed for this.
the island has awakened ones, and some of the Claymores are Half Awakens, and at least clare has used her some selected awakened body parts (arms and her back) instead of her sword to cut-damage-kill other awakened ones (well, Rigard), while with jean's help able to de-awaken back into a "Claymore" keeping her human mind. it is unknown if clare can yet awaken again to this extent and de-awaken on her own or not. remains to be seen. *grins*
so even claymores (swords) are kinda or very slowly starting to lose their use on the island as well. though, all the Claymores (except one instance of clare), DO still need/use their claymores (swords) to kill awakened ones... for now and quite a long time more, until Half Awakens who are able to awaken and keep their human minds, take over, some time in the far far far future.
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