[Manga] Spoiler venting thread (about anime) for Claymore [Archive]

NoSanninWa

2007-05-03, 00:28

First you read the manga, then you watch the anime... and suddenly you want to spout off about things that haven't been animated yet! The current anime events lead to really interesting things you want to vent about. The problem is that if you post in the episode discussion thread you'll find yourself banned.

Oh, woe! What to do?

Answer: Post about it here. Feel free to vent your spoilers about the current episodes of Claymore in a more relaxed environment. I'm still going to have to insist that spoiler tags must be used for volumes that have not yet been released in English. This thread is a pressure valve to help keep manga chat out of the anime episode discussion.

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Nightengale

2007-05-03, 00:37

I've got a little shameful confession to make here.

I did not, remotely even for a split second thought that the Theresa Arc was a flashback arc until that very last page of that arc.

Negativedark

2007-05-03, 07:50

I didn't figure it out until Claire was named. Then it became clear. I guess I had gotten used to flashbacks in Manga having the black borders.

t3ck

2007-05-03, 07:53

I've got a little shameful confession to make here.

I did not, remotely even for a split second thought that the Theresa Arc was a flashback arc until that very last page of that arc.

Same here :heh: It was not until the little Claire took Theresa's head to the MIB did I noticed it was actually Claire herself.

Child_of_Sierra

2007-05-03, 08:09

I didn't figure out the collector accompanying teresa was male when reading the manga...I just somehow assumed he was a she cause of the height difference and all

Claymore_Obsessed

2007-05-03, 12:46

Now I'd really like to see Helen (my favourite Claymore, besides Claire) Denev and Milia animated ^^

dutchman

2007-05-03, 13:14

Now I'd really like to see Helen (my favourite Claymore, besides Claire) Denev and Milia animated ^^

Claymore Obessed since Helen is a favourite of you. Do you know why Helen is the only Claymore sofar who has a slightly different armour?

If you look in the manga you notice that she has dark colored leggings and sleeves. So far I haven't encountered a single Claymore who isn't wearing 'standard' armour (before the N-campaign that is).

Is it some kind of mischievious fashion statement of hers or has it any deeper meaning?

Claymore_Obsessed

2007-05-03, 13:52

Claymore Obessed since Helen is a favourite of you. Do you know why Helen is the only Claymore sofar who has a slightly different armour?

If you look in the manga you notice that she has dark colored leggings and sleeves. So far I haven't encountered a single Claymore who isn't wearing 'standard' armour (before the N-campaign that is).

Is it some kind of mischievious fashion statement of hers or has it any deeper meaning?

Well I don't know for sure, so I can only tell you my guess^^

Her special skill is stretching limbs, maybe those sleeves are made of a rubber-like elastic fabric that allows stretching without tearing apart.
In several pictures, the black cloth looks like it's stretching together with her limbs.

Or maybe she simply likes the color black?:heh:

dutchman

2007-05-03, 14:18

Well I don't know for sure, so I can only tell you my guess^^

Her special skill is stretching limbs, maybe those sleeves are made of a rubber-like elastic fabric that allows stretching without tearing apart.
In several pictures, the black cloth looks like it's stretching together with her limbs.

H'm that is a very good theory.

She can extend her arms indeed very far so the idea of using special elastic fabric for her sleeves and leggings would in her case be very practical.

Negativedark

2007-05-03, 18:01

Actually look very very closly. The individual plates of armor for the fab four at least are all shaped just a little differently.

Xellos-_^

2007-05-03, 18:17

Actually look very very closly. The individual plates of armor for the fab four at least are all shaped just a little differently.

There are seven survivors :eyebrow: I personally prefer the Magniificent Seven :heh:

Xion Valkyrie

2007-05-03, 18:37

Yeah, but the other 3 are lame lol

Xellos-_^

2007-05-03, 18:51

Yeah, but the other 3 are lame lol

you can't say they are lame when we haven't seen them in action yet.

Zu Ra

2007-05-04, 01:37

( Ep 5 00.02 onwards ) Teressa cutting of the Yoma's arm and the are going spinning under the moon reminded me of a similar scene in Tokyo Tribes 2 ( Ep 1 - 1.10 )

Negativedark

2007-05-04, 08:59

you can't say they are lame when we haven't seen them in action yet.

That might be why he said they are lame.
Anyways I don't know what the other Three of the magnificent seven look like since I've mostly only seen the stuff that's been put out in english.

Mentar

2007-05-04, 16:08

you can't say they are lame when we haven't seen them in action yet.

Well, there's a very good reason why Miria only ordered Clare, Helen and Deneve into the latest battle and kept the others safely at home. They simply aren't "as far" as the fab four, and they know it. Which doesn't mean that the others are worthless cannon fodder, but certainly not on their level.

And just for the record, I absolutely loved the latest chapters. Great characters used for some great storytelling. Me likes!

cajunman380

2007-05-04, 16:24

Well, there's a very good reason why Miria only ordered Clare, Helen and Deneve into the latest battle and kept the others safely at home. They simply aren't "as far" as the fab four, and they know it. Which doesn't mean that the others are worthless cannon fodder, but certainly not on their level.

And just for the record, I absolutely loved the latest chapters. Great characters used for some great storytelling. Me likes!

absolutely. The reason why helen, Deneve, Miria and clare are grouped under the fab 4 insignia is because they are the ones who are semi awakened and thus stronger than the others. Its not that the other three are weak (although technically by the orgs standards two of them are) but the fact was they needed the best to get those noobs away from ritful whos a freakin top tier demon. One of the things you immediately notice about this group is the fact that they dont really bash each oter for rak from what i have scene (i only have raws to base on this). Imagine if it were a standard claymore group, the no 40 would be getting bashed every other second for just being in the 40s, talk about improvement. Me likes.
I do agree with others until i see the full extent of the others abilities i refrain from clalling them the mag 7. well see what happenes.

Oh as others have mentioned in this thread. Helenes arm and leg guards are for her arms as they seem to be able to strech with them. Though they havent gotten into details as of yet.

I do have some questions people can ponde in this topic.

Why dont the claymores wear any sort of protective armor or sheilds for that matter. Heck dont the villagers have bows and arrows. Or for that matter hasnt anyone come up with a poisonous chemical thats deadly for demons. Is the organization the only group with such knowledge. I find that hard to believe

opinions?

Could there be other demons of the abyss we have never heard about?

Do you see claris as a possible companion for clare in the future?

Seska

2007-05-04, 16:27

The others can be Backup for the "newcomers". I only know the picture, where their arrive with the newbie cannon fodder Claymore on their shoulders. I guess the 3 of them will taken care of them, so the Fab 4 has the hands free, for Combat and Rescue action. But this is only my guess, of the Preview i saw. (Pictures. Cannot read Kanji). Like the "Newbie" Claymore girl. Shes so new, that even her Silver Eyes are not complete "silver". Her job now is to take care of a "Child" with strong Power.... I don't wanna tell to much, even here.

Negativedark

2007-05-04, 21:09

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Oh as others have mentioned in this thread. Helenes arm and leg guards are for her arms as they seem to be able to strech with them. Though they havent gotten into details as of yet.

I do have some questions people can ponde in this topic.

Why dont the claymores wear any sort of protective armor or sheilds for that matter. Heck dont the villagers have bows and arrows. Or for that matter hasnt anyone come up with a poisonous chemical thats deadly for demons. Is the organization the only group with such knowledge. I find that hard to believe

opinions?

Could there be other demons of the abyss we have never heard about?

Do you see claris as a possible companion for clare in the future?

Considering we've seen the claws for even normal Yoma go right through plate armor, they wouldn't get much more protection from it, and would only be slowed down.
And I for one definetly want to see how things shape out with Claris. It's very interesting that she's the only Claymore who still has their original hair and eye color.

LCeh

2007-05-04, 21:15

Considering we've seen the claws for even normal Yoma go right through plate armor, they wouldn't get much more protection from it, and would only be slowed down.
And I for one definetly want to see how things shape out with Claris. It's very interesting that she's the only Claymore who still has their original hair and eye color.

Clare has her original eye color? I thought she had the normal eye color of a claymore.

t3ck

2007-05-04, 21:50

Clare has her original eye color? I thought she had the normal eye color of a claymore.

Not Clare, But Claris. She's a new character shown 7 years after the Northern Campaign.

LCeh

2007-05-04, 22:06

Not Clare, But Claris. She's a new character shown 7 years after the Northern Campaign.

Oh right. Sorry I wasn't reading straight. In which case, maybe we should talk in spoiler tags since the english scanslation isn't up to that point yet.

Yea, Claris seems to have shaded hair unlike the typical blonde Claymore hair, which is colorless when drawn. The only claymore whom doesn't have blonde hair I think are the awakened ones like Priscilla and Rifel, so it will be interesting to see why claris doesn't have blonde hair.

Zu Ra

2007-05-05, 01:00

I dont understand why people ar finding fault with Clare's eye color thats her natural eye color . When she becomes a Claymore silver and upon using her Yoma power's gold

NoSanninWa

2007-05-05, 01:36

I'd like to ask people to stop chatting about the Claymore manga. We have manga threads for that. This thread is to vent about spoilers related to the ANIME.

thank you. Now I'll return to the last comment since that is practically the only one on-topic.

I dont understand why people ar finding fault with Clare's eye color thats her natural eye color . When she becomes a Claymore silver and upon using her Yoma power's gold

It bugs them because if her eyes used to be green, then the pills should have returned them to green. Apparently those pills just don't work that way since they merely give an ordinary brown color.

Zu Ra

2007-05-05, 01:42

It bugs them because if her eyes used to be green, then the pills should have returned them to green. Apparently those pills just don't work that way since they merely give an ordinary brown color.

Oh , the only plausible explanation is as her genetic make up is altered. Her DNA may no longer retain her natural eye color . Also Clare doesnt have blonde hair to begin with . IMO the eye and hair color are side-effects of mutation .

Seska

2007-05-05, 16:24

Oh man, i was so complete wrong...gome-ne. Sorry about that. This is interesting :)

Zu Ra

2007-05-09, 02:19

After reading Vol 8 and Vol 9 the Gore level considerabily increases will they censor it ? most likely yes but it would be better if they had allowed of it .

NoSanninWa

2007-05-09, 02:28

They might keep the gore level. It isn't too over the top or graphic for late night Japanese TV and this is a rather dark show. At least I hope they'll keep it. After all, it's not as bad as Elfen Lied.

Zu Ra

2007-05-09, 06:51

Yeah its not that graphic to begin with but seeing how they censored the gore part in Bleach I was hoping that trend doesn’t follow . What got this censor part idea was the Galk and Clare kiss also Raki kicking Galk btw the legs. Those two scenes were left out of the episode

Seska

2007-05-09, 07:16

Easy,
Time and Money/Budget.

They don't need to follow 1000% the manga flow into little bit. As example nobody complains about the "short" fight at beginning anime episode 03, if they follow the manga that correct, then there would be more to animate and more time the Studio needs to complete the episode (and Money).Well, i see the Manga as a Director's cut version, and the Anime is nearly close to it :).

Zu Ra

2007-05-09, 07:20

Yeah but money cant be that big of a motivation here it would be at max 45 seconds Also those two scenes in question were the most hilarious I badly wanted to see Clare's reaction and Galk's pain :D

Tempest35

2007-05-10, 08:56

Sorry, but isn't Galk the BIG guy of the duo? :heh:

Nightengale

2007-05-10, 09:29

Sorry, but isn't Galk the BIG guy of the duo? :heh:

He probably meant Daf, the big guy of another duo. :heh:

Riful deserves better, but Daf's not too bad in a way I suppose.

Zu Ra

2007-05-10, 09:29

Oh I am eternally hexed with names and what was that minor chracter's name again ?

Tempest35

2007-05-10, 10:42

Riful's cute...in a loli-sort of way. -.-;

Why not call him 'Screech'? XD His name's in the manga but it wasn't really mentioned in the anime from what I recall...

Negativedark

2007-05-10, 15:32

You know I have to wonder if that kiss was Clair's first.

Claymore_Obsessed

2007-05-11, 05:44

You know I have to wonder if that kiss was Clair's first.

yeah, usually Claymores aren't very kissing-happy so I guess that was the first one, unless she had to practice kissing during her training or she had to go in some kind of undercover mission before :heh:

Defiled one

2007-05-11, 11:51

Clare said she was trained to smile like a.....Im not even going to say, no need for knowing. ^_^

Tempest35

2007-05-11, 12:44

Trained to throw the temptation but never the goods. :D

Negativedark

2007-05-11, 15:41

That brings up another thaught for me. Bet the organization takes steps to ensure Claymores can't breed.

Defiled one

2007-05-11, 15:46

That brings up another thaught for me. Bet the organization takes steps to ensure Claymores can't breed.

I have no idea, but I never saw a pregnant one...If they are hybrids I think they are sterile.

I don´t have any idea.

Negativedark

2007-05-11, 17:51

Well most naturally occuring hybrids are sterile, ala mules. Some however, like Ligers can breed, but only with one of the parent species. But I don't think that the organization would wan't to risk the Claymores bieng able to increase their numbers without them. And they really wouldn't want the Awakened breeding.

NoSanninWa

2007-05-11, 22:50

That brings up another thaught for me. Bet the organization takes steps to ensure Claymores can't breed.

Their bodies may be surgically hybridized, but that doesn't mean their genes are altered. This is not Lamarckian evolution. Their offspring would be 100% human.

Tempest35

2007-05-12, 00:07

Granted, what 'fool' would sleep with a silver-eyed witch? The stigma as well as the physical deformation is a complete turn off for nearly every human male. It's not like anyone's given them an opprotunity to breed yet

Nightengale

2007-05-12, 00:20

I get the feeling male Claymores wouldn't mind.

Besides, the whole "accept me without breaking" talk by Riful towards Daf, almost makes me wonder what kind of things they're doing off-screen. One being a huge hulk that generate multiple rods, and another tentacle ribbon monster. Eek.

Zu Ra

2007-05-12, 00:49

I must say the monsters just keep getting better and better . Claymore will have tons of Dojins published on in already in Jpn thanks to these monsters @__@

Defiled one

2007-05-12, 04:04

Amen! Got to praise the original monsters though. All of them are different.

They remind me of R.G Giger Alien. They seem to be like that.

HinaThePrince

2007-05-12, 04:16

I have no idea, but I never saw a pregnant one...If they are hybrids I think they are sterile.

I don´t have any idea.

Helen said in volume 5:

"You brought a kid? It can't be your own."

So no pregnancy for Claymores.

Defiled one

2007-05-12, 04:27

Helen said in volume 5:

"You brought a kid? It can't be your own."

So no pregnancy for Claymores.

And what she said afterwards?:rolleyes: Yeah...Seems to me that is normal for Claymores to have boys or girls following them

Tempest35

2007-05-12, 08:20

Boy did Clare get pissed at Helen for saying that. :heh:

But children have a much easier time accepting a person despite what most adults would shun. All the Claymores need a hug (give Barney to Ophelia and watch the fun XD).

lousy

2007-05-12, 08:46

yea ophelia will say something like Get away from me or i'll really kick you. and then she proceeds to slash him apart.. really fun lol.

but it doesnt really matter whether they can breed or not. they hardly get in contact with humans anyway. and the awakened beings dont have children anyway. imagine riful and daf bringing a small kid under the sun and pointing to a goat or something and saying, "go make mincemeat outt'f him myboy!" or something.

Defiled one

2007-05-12, 11:07

cyoti

2007-05-12, 11:33

Helen seems to be the only one amongst them that has a sense of humor.

HinaThePrince

2007-05-12, 11:45

Or more than three facial expressions.

Negativedark

2007-05-12, 14:11

Secret of her popularity I think.

HinaThePrince

2007-05-12, 15:44

Of course.

Jinx626

2007-05-12, 21:44

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Xellos-_^

2007-05-12, 21:45

What i don't understand is how the group survived after being knocked unconscious and playing "dead"? i mean they are surrounded by awaken beings and i am pretty sure that some of them will probably want to eat some guts even if its a not so tasty claymore. As evident from other chapters awaken beings do eat.

Try the japanese Manga thread. Your questions has already been answer there.

Twisted Reality

2007-05-17, 09:40

Amen! Got to praise the original monsters though. All of them are different.

They remind me of R.G Giger Alien. They seem to be like that.
Well, I've only read the published Claymore volumes so far, up to the one with Clare's "Quick Sword" training montage.

Anyway, I was hoping they'd take it that direction, because most of the Yoma up until now were generally faceless chunks of meat waiting to be slaughtered by Claymores. The ones with the most personality is the first Yoma we meet and the Yoma that was hiding out in the cathedral's as a mummy.

But what got me hoping there was something interesting is that the Yoma are:
-intimately aware of their victims' emotional state (possessed bodies cry and they can fake a person well enough to fool loved ones)
-have the powers of language (they're not just dumb but cunning beasts -- they'll brag, they'll posture and they'll speculate about a Claymore's strategy)
-are capable of cooperating with other Yoma (i.e. the town in which Theresa first picks up Clare)
-apparently come in the winged variety (Clare threw her sword at this one)

The Organization being the dirty liars that they are, there may really be "Voracious Eaters" in the sense of individual Yoma evolving and getting more experience as they age. So maybe they're just throwing this label on "Awakened Ones" since it involves inventing less elaborate lies.

That and the volume preview mentioned something about the Yoma mobilizing against the Claymores.

ZODDGUTS

2007-05-17, 11:21

I've got a little shameful confession to make here.

I did not, remotely even for a split second thought that the Theresa Arc was a flashback arc until that very last page of that arc.

I didn't know this either at least till Teresa gave the girl her name.

Defiled one

2007-05-17, 13:32

Well, I've only read the published Claymore volumes so far, up to the one with Clare's "Quick Sword" training montage.

Anyway, I was hoping they'd take it that direction, because most of the Yoma up until now were generally faceless chunks of meat waiting to be slaughtered by Claymores. The ones with the most personality is the first Yoma we meet and the Yoma that was hiding out in the cathedral's as a mummy.

But what got me hoping there was something interesting is that the Yoma are:
-intimately aware of their victims' emotional state (possessed bodies cry and they can fake a person well enough to fool loved ones)
-have the powers of language (they're not just dumb but cunning beasts -- they'll brag, they'll posture and they'll speculate about a Claymore's strategy)
-are capable of cooperating with other Yoma (i.e. the town in which Theresa first picks up Clare)
-apparently come in the winged variety (Clare threw her sword at this one)

The Organization being the dirty liars that they are, there may really be "Voracious Eaters" in the sense of individual Yoma evolving and getting more experience as they age. So maybe they're just throwing this label on "Awakened Ones" since it involves inventing less elaborate lies.

That and the volume preview mentioned something about the Yoma mobilizing against the Claymores.

Whatever Youmas are, their flesh is compatible with humans on a very high scale....really high for my taste. :cool:

GOD! I really want to know what Youmas are!!

Twisted Reality

2007-05-17, 15:01

Whatever Youmas are, their flesh is compatible with humans on a very high scale....really high for my taste. :cool:

GOD! I really want to know what Youmas are!!
Well, I do too.

It occurs to me that Yoma can learn a lot in their immortal lifespans. You eat a carpenter and impersonate him for a while and you'd get quite good at woodworking. Heck, spend some time eating swordsmen, soldiers and guards and you can probably learn a lot about the tactics of puny humans and how they think.

Now let's take this a step further. If you've ever read Parasyte, you've got basically the same monster that preys on humans and impersonates them. The thing is, in Parasyte, the aliens actually got quite good at networking and created a culture of their own.

Yoma could then easily impersonate powerful political figures: priests, nobles, town elders, military officers and the like. Yoma would then actually be able to trade in favors. They could create safehouses or aide other Yoma in covering their tracks. The pressure to unionize is even more important now that you've got Claymores wandering about. So secrecy is all the more important.

The thing is, so far, they're just so much fodder for the Claymores. They might not even be important, because the Awakened Ones and the "Organization" are already excellent antagonists. From what I've seen, it's not so important that Yoma are eating faceless and superstitious villagers as it is that the "Organization" is exploiting their hybrids and extorting money from people.

ritalman

2007-05-17, 15:03

I thought that Teresa and Claymore Clare were friend and didn't see each other very often. Reason why Teresa named the girl Clare. It took chibi Clare's request to be Claymored for me to understand. Oh well..

Zu Ra

2007-05-17, 21:36

SimplyEd

2007-05-17, 21:43

THE ONLY Grouse I had with this episode was Priscilla’s Yoma Massacre ( i.e. Bodies ) was not shown in this episode it was clearly shown in the manga they shouldn’t have skipped that part IMO .

Secondly I bear good news

According to ANN the show will run for 26 ep

Yet somehow i don't think this was done as a matter of censorship but because of time/monetary constraints on the studios part. The whole show is already about as graphic as it can get on japanese TV. A clear view on all those massacred yoma bodies wouldn't have made it any more violent imho^^
It's still regrettable though. Maybe it'll get a make over for the DVD relaese.

Zu Ra

2007-05-17, 21:46

Yeah I do agree with what you say but that does raise a certain question . If there is censorship now what will be done in the future as the show keeps on getting bloodier and more violent with the introduction of Awakened ones

SimplyEd

2007-05-17, 22:01

Yeah, i also wonder by what standards it would be censored. I mean sure, it will get more violent later on, but only in quantity. We have already seen shots of dismemberment or other crippling strikes, so it would be kinda strange if they would suddenly start to tone down the important battles.
Personally, i think we don't have to fear that for the upcoming episodes. And even if it should happen, i guess it would be the usual "heightened darkness" trick which they already pulled during the fight in the cathedral.
Of course, that trick doesn't work to well in bright sunlight^^

Zu Ra

2007-05-17, 22:05

And even if it should happen, i guess it would be the usual "heightened darkness" trick which they already pulled during the fight in the cathedral.
Of course, that trick doesn't work to well in bright sunlight^^

That’s an excellent point you stated I did notice the use of shadows and darkness during the action sequences filled with Gore .In the manga Ilena and Co meet during the day but in the anime its dusk . They will most likely use that again in the future when need arises ^^

SimplyEd

2007-05-17, 22:15

Yeah, it's a nice way to save some money for later "showcase" episodes like the current ones AND it's also good for cutting down on excessive displays of gore.

Truth be told, i would the the first to petition for a different approach, but i have to say that the actual execution went quite well. The action scenes still felt "alive" enough for me and that's what counts in the end. i mean, there are other fantasy/action shows out there that don't even feels half as vibrant as Claymore, even without any form of "censorship".

As long as they leave the crucial parts unchanged (and i'm sure they will) it's all cool with me^^

IMSabbel

2007-05-22, 11:46

Well, something completely different:

I have to say that claymore was kind of a sleeper manga for me. It started slow and not _that_ great, only to get kicked higher and higher with a series of events/revelations/plot twists.

For me, those "kick-ass" moments were:

1st: theresa flashback/awakening of pricilla (i.e. creating of a visible long term goal)
2nd: the forming of the fantastic 4 (i.e. after the hunt, the first time there is hints of a bigger secret/inter-claymore relationships
3rd: introduction of Riful (i.e. opening the door to the _real_ nasty nasties. When we first meet her, she is so beyond anything its shocking)
4th: The end of the northern campaign.

It seems to me that the manga is really shifting up further and further, and i am really interested in how those 3 events will be represented in the activity here.

I noticed already that the start of the flashback brought claymore back into the favour of 4chan (where it only got, partly deserved, "half yoma-half human" ridicule before).

How will they react to tomorrows episode? and will the momentum survive the let-down of going back to clare and raki for 2 episodes before it picks up again?

SimplyEd

2007-05-22, 12:06

Those seriously were some highlights of Claymore, no doubt. Personally, i like everything about the manga/anime just the same, i. e. i love it^^

People may argue that the series has a slow start, though i don't really think so. It's a great introduction to that particular world setting, and it it shows us a face-up view of the life of a claymore and subsequently the world around her. People say "Monster of the day" episode, yet that is exactly what a normal day of a Claymore looks like. They don't fight Awakened every day, they don't have to execute one of their own every day.
It's good that we got an impression of a normal everyday situation for a Claymore beforehand.

People argued "What a crappy, simplistic design" "I stopped reading because i felt offended by the style". How lame is that? In how far does style actually affect a good story? Truth be told, it doesn't. I like the authors style. It's clear to the point and downright gorgeous for the memorable parts.
Do we, who love that series have to convert those people to start reading it over again? No. It's their loss, no tears from me.

As for 4chan. That would the last place i would go to have a decent conversation..no even any conversation at all. Without wanting to offend anyone, but let the ignorant make up their own minds. Most of them are not worth the effort anyway. Common sense is not something that's given out for free nowadays.

Finally, i think the anime managed to create a good enough mementum from the very start and it will continue to do so, if they stick to the point.

IMSabbel

2007-05-22, 12:16

Well, you have to consider that the mangaka isnt really that good with his art. Especially in the beginning it was still very rough, and the anatomy was neither "real"-good nor "manga-style"-good. Not as bad as many scenes in angel densetsu (he did improve over time), but still obviously mediocre.
(not to mention that every youma in vol1 and 2 looks nearly exactly like the fake-monster views of the protatonist of AD, which breaks the 4th wall, HARD).

The art became more consistent over the volumes, and while even the most recent chapters still have more than awkward poses and bad panels, the story is now more than enough to compensate for it.

But i can fully understand anybody who is turned off by it in the beginning.

And while the anime improved some things quite a bit (especially because of the quick pacing in the beginning), they created a few _incredibly_ awkward/annoying moments with raki (who doesnt really deserve it).

And about the importance of 4-chan: well, its no worse than the naruto or gundam subforums here, in terms of narrow-mindness and so on (if you consider the posts lost in the last crash, those two have more than all other forums combined). Also, a steady presence of an anime there can really help boosting an animes popularity...

SimplyEd

2007-05-22, 12:47

About the first part, i cannot agree and beg to differ, but i don't want to drag this out too much since i already pointed out my opinion before.
I just want to reemphasize that it's ALWAYS a bad idea to judge a book by its cover. It's not "obviously mediocre" because it depends on who you ask.

Would Claymore be a better series if it were drawn by let's say..Oda Eiichiro, Samura Hiroaki or Kishiro Yukito? (I picked those three because they have popular series published with VASTLY different designs). Are Claymores artistic values inferior to any of their series? No, they all have to be measured on their own right by the respective reader.
Personally, i cannot understand those who are turned off in the beginning. But, i'm not really trying to make anyone change their mind anyway.

Next, what would those situations be for Raki? I'm interested, but don't quite grasp the occasion right now.

As for 4chan and the Naruto etc. subforums: Agree^^

Tempest35

2007-05-22, 21:45

Well, I guess a difference from manga Raki to anime Raki is that M-Raki comes across as more likable - he kicked ass in a funny way. Main occasion was the nardkick he gave to whats-his-name at the end of the Cathederal fight in the manga. That and him standing up to the same guy while Clare was recovering from the wounds. M-Raki's a little more likable since you can tell he's trying to be a 'little man' for Clare. That always earns points. Still, Raki nailing that one guy is probably my favorite scene with him, manga or anime, right next to him bringing Clare back from Awakening. ^_^

As for the art style...I don't really care about that. The art helps set the mood in my mind. He's not like say...Oh Great from Tenjou Tenge/Air Gear fame. THAT guy can DRAW - now his backgrounds are amazing to look at. Still, I like how Claymore looks - it's different but in a good way. It lets you know that this series is NOT taking place in Japan. As long as I have that thought in my head, the art doesn't bother me nearly as much. ^_^

HinaThePrince

2007-05-23, 05:49

Negativedark

2007-05-23, 07:34

Yep. No detail whatsoever. No intricacy to the charecters desighns, no individually disernable bricks in the background. I don't even see the vaulting for the ceiling. And the picture didn't even fully load for me.
If you want evidence on how well Yagi draws, try to copy one of his awakened desighns. Their is an amazing amount of detail on them. Another subtle touch I've noticed is that the armor the Claymore's wear, the shapes of some of the smaller plates are different from Claymore to Claymore.

SimplyEd

2007-05-23, 07:55

To be perfectly fair, that was an Awakened design. Besides, i always thought that Butterfly Jean was very nice to behold^^

Negativedark

2007-05-23, 08:00

The awakened designs are where the artist really shows off, but if you look closly, you will find other points where he does a lot of intricacy and detail.

SimplyEd

2007-05-23, 08:04

I totally agree. Plus, the author does some really intricate cover and bonus artwork in color. It's just wrong on so many levels to call his stylized art "mediocre".

HinaThePrince

2007-05-23, 08:23

His outfit design is brilliant [and extremely painful to draw], as well. Plus, he's just a genius when it comes to facial expressions and paneling.

Tempest35

2007-05-23, 10:38

By facial expressions, you mean Helen right? ^^ Deneve too, she's not as 'enthusiastic' as Helen is but she's more vibrant than most 'cool & collected' characters from other anime.

His art really shone in the N-Campaign - he's improved alot. That and designing the 7's new outfits...

...almost done with Claymore beach pic...hey it's almost summer c'mon. :) :D

Negativedark

2007-05-23, 10:45

Hey, thats okay. If I could draw, I'd have done all the seven in pajama's and called it a slumber party.

HinaThePrince

2007-05-23, 12:06

By facial expressions, you mean Helen right? ^^ Deneve too, she's not as 'enthusiastic' as Helen is but she's more vibrant than most 'cool & collected' characters from other anime.

I mean in general [but Helen's expressions are awesome, of course]. Like, Raki's expression in the Darkness in Paradise arc when Clare was going to kill herself. It was brilliant and haunting and one of the [many] most memorable moments in the manga for me. I just can't get it out of my head, no matter how much time passes. They dropped it in the anime, though, which kinda sucks.

...almost done with Claymore beach pic...hey it's almost summer c'mon. :) :D

I want to see that. o_o

Hey, thats okay. If I could draw, I'd have done all the seven in pajama's and called it a slumber party.

...You wouldn't mind if I drew it, would you?

IMSabbel

2007-05-23, 12:13

I totally agree. Plus, the author does some really intricate cover and bonus artwork in color. It's just wrong on so many levels to call his stylized art "mediocre".
I wont argue, its pointless.
Well, i like claymore, so i dont mind that there are now zealous claytards around.

toxic_trance

2007-05-23, 12:41

Man..i dont care how nice Priscilla was..but everytime i see the Teresa incident...i just wish she dies in pain...and i hope Clare shows her absolutely no mercy. MADHOUSE....what can i say..a flawless job

Negativedark

2007-05-23, 13:00

...You wouldn't mind if I drew it, would you?
Go for it. My one request is that someone has to be holding a pillow.
I wont argue, its pointless.
Well, i like claymore, so i dont mind that there are now zealous claytards around.

Art is subjective. Everyone has things they look at and think are horrible, and yet others will gush about how beautiful it is.

SimplyEd

2007-05-23, 14:19

I wont argue, its pointless.
Well, i like claymore, so i dont mind that there are now zealous claytards around.

...with a vengeance^^

No hard feelings, okay? Maybe i was a bit hardassed about that point, but it was a more general remark anyway. The same could be said about any other series out there.
I like Claytard though, i guess i'll put it in my user panel.:D

Cadorna

2007-05-25, 00:23

Whatever Youmas are, their flesh is compatible with humans on a very high scale....really high for my taste. :cool:

GOD! I really want to know what Youmas are!!

maybe a experiment based in humans

Amirali

2007-05-25, 19:54

Quote:
"Hey, thats okay. If I could draw, I'd have done all the seven in pajama's and called it a slumber party. "

You wouldn't mind if I drew it, would you?

If you did that, I would keep it as my wallpaper, and be deeply grateful to your awesomeness :P. I really want to see those claymores in tastefully sexy pyjamas.......

Enara

2007-05-27, 22:31

Enara

2007-05-27, 22:35

By facial expressions, you mean Helen right? ^^ Deneve too, she's not as 'enthusiastic' as Helen is but she's more vibrant than most 'cool & collected' characters from other anime.

His art really shone in the N-Campaign - he's improved alot. That and designing the 7's new outfits...

...almost done with Claymore beach pic...hey it's almost summer c'mon. :) :D

Hey, thats okay. If I could draw, I'd have done all the seven in pajama's and called it a slumber party.

now that would be cool i want to see that:innocent::love:

dutchman

2007-05-30, 13:38

H'm I'm getting a bit curious here.

Since the anime started quite a number of famous VA's have already starred in this series.

However as most of the manga readers know there is still no end to the number of Claymores not yet introduced.

I wonder if they will re-enlist some of the earlier VA's cause how will they ever have enough voices for the N-campaign? I mean we are talking about 24 claymores there. :confused:

SimplyEd

2007-05-30, 14:18

I wonder if they will re-enlist some of the earlier VA's cause how will they ever have enough voices for the N-campaign? I mean we are talking about 24 claymores there. :confused:

It could be possible for some of the more silent low-ranking Claymores, but i seriously doubt it.
There are more than enough female seiyuus who can easily fill the missing ranks.

Then again, some of the future heroines have quite an extensive set of dialogue..
Still, i think that seiyuus will only reprise their original roles and the anime adaption might as well cut a few "unimportant" lines for minor characters. To cut expenses and stuff.

dutchman

2007-05-30, 15:08

It could be possible for some of the more silent low-ranking Claymores, but i seriously doubt it.
There are more than enough female seiyuus who can easily fill the missing ranks.

Then again, some of the future heroines have quite an extensive set of dialogue..
Still, i think that seiyuus will only reprise their original roles and the anime adaption might as well cut a few "unimportant" lines for minor characters. To cut expenses and stuff.

I guess you are right. They probably rather spend most of their allocated budget on the insane animation costs of that action heavy arc.

On a other note anyone wondering who could possible be the VA for Ophelia? I can hardly imagine anyone who could voice that evil b&&ch.

Tempest35

2007-05-30, 15:19

Rie Tanaka? She did pretty well with Sugimoto and Tomoe in my opinion... I forgot which anime those characters are from so...

NoSanninWa

2007-05-30, 16:52

I wonder if they will re-enlist some of the earlier VA's cause how will they ever have enough voices for the N-campaign? I mean we are talking about 24 claymores there. :confused:
You are definitely confused. Those 24 include Miria, Helen, Deneve and Clare. It also includes Jean who is introduced in the previous story arc. That leaves only 19 new voices.

Of those 19 how many are important speaking parts? I'd say just Flora, Undine, Veronica, Cynthia, Tabitha, and Yuma. Do any of the remaining 13 have more than a line or two at most? I'd have to look over those chapters in detail to be sure, but I don't think we need any real talent for those 13 Claymores. Those 13 might just say a line or two and then die. Or maybe not say anything at all.

That means we only have 6 more roles to cast for the Northern Campaign, not 24. Big Difference!

On a other note anyone wondering who could possible be the VA for Ophelia? I can hardly imagine anyone who could voice that evil b&&ch.Yeah, I'm looking forward to hearing her voice. Though the voice of real interest to me is definitely Riful!

cors8

2007-05-30, 16:58

You are definitely confused. Those 24 include Miria, Helen, Deneve and Clare. It also includes Jean who is introduced a few episodes earlier. That leaves only 19 new voices.

Of those 19 how many are important speaking parts? I'd say just Flora, Undine, Veronica, Cynthia, Tabitha, and Yuma. Do any of the remaining 13 have more than a line or two at most? I'd have to look over those chapters in detail to be sure, but I don't think we need any real talent for those 13 Claymores. Those 13 might just say a line or two and then die. Or maybe not say anything at all.

That means we only have 6 more roles to cast for the Northern Campaign, not 24. Big Difference!

If I recall correctly, other than a few lines for the extras, only Cynthia, Yuma, Tabatha, and the 3 squad captains have any significant speaking roles. Veronica is a rather small one compared to Flora, Undine, or Jean.

Would also have to add Galatea too, though. She's introduced in the same arc as Jean anyway.

NoSanninWa

2007-05-30, 17:04

cors8

2007-05-30, 17:24

That's what I said except for the bit about Galatea, but we were discussing the Northern Campaign. Galatea is not there.

Or did you really want to compare the size of Veronica's part against the other captains? She had more than a few lines so she needs a real actress.

After checking the manga, Veronica's part is extremely small. She has a few lines in the first attack and barely a line in the 2nd attack. Flora, Undine, and Jean definitely play more prominent roles and deserve real VA's.

In regards to Galatea, she may not be part of the northern campaign but she's still part of that entire arc. In fact, she has even more lines in the manga for the arc than Veronica.

Negativedark

2007-05-30, 17:39

I kinda hopeThat they do something simeler to what the new Guyver anime did. Have the last episode be the first chapter after the timeskip. Then they got to cast Claris. I'd love for the last scene of the last episode to be the Seven Ghosts.

NoSanninWa

2007-05-30, 17:42

Galatea is still from the previous story arc, along with Jean. Okay, so for the Northern Campaign we only have 5 new roles requiring capable seiyuu. Not too bad. That's a big drop from 24. ;)

Negativedark

2007-05-30, 17:51

cors8

2007-05-30, 18:35

Alica and Beth didn't have any speaking roles? I havn't actually read that part yet.
I wonder who'll do Riful's voice. I have this weird feeling that I should know someone who fits, but I can't think of it. Oh and let us not forget Isley,and Lucriea.

Alicia, or maybe it was Beth, has a very, very minor speaking role in the arc before the Northern Campaign. Could probably do without a seiyuu, unless her role is expanded in future chapters.

I'm hoping whoever does Riful will be able to capture her playfulness.

dutchman

2007-05-31, 03:46

You are definitely confused. Those 24 include Miria, Helen, Deneve and Clare. It also includes Jean who is introduced in the previous story arc. That leaves only 19 new voices.

Of those 19 how many are important speaking parts? I'd say just Flora, Undine, Veronica, Cynthia, Tabitha, and Yuma. Do any of the remaining 13 have more than a line or two at most? I'd have to look over those chapters in detail to be sure, but I don't think we need any real talent for those 13 Claymores. Those 13 might just say a line or two and then die. Or maybe not say anything at all.

That means we only have 6 more roles to cast for the Northern Campaign, not 24. Big Difference!

Yeah, I'm looking forward to hearing her voice. Though the voice of real interest to me is definitely Riful!

Lol ok.

I admit that my adding and substraction leaves much to be desired.

At least I don't have to wonder anymore if they will have enough VA's for the upcoming eps. So thanks for clearing this up.

I also seem to recall that in other shows like My-hime / Mai otome the actual number of VA's were even higher in some cases so Mad House should have no trouble pulling it of.

G. Zeus

2007-05-31, 03:57

The nice thing about voice acting is that a talented seiyuu may be able to do more than 1 voice and thus do more than a single role in the same story. Having 19 minor characters with minimal lines shouldn't be too much of a problem if the current cast can change their pitch, tone and/or manner of reading.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to hearing her voice. Though the voice of real interest to me is definitely Riful!
Ditto. It's easy to get a seiyuu who's pitch resembles her physical appearance (probably early teens) but she'd have to sound like a classy, playful, and intimidating Abyssal, not some perky schoolgirl.

BrokenWingz

2007-05-31, 04:16

G. Zeus

2007-05-31, 04:28

After watching ep 9, I wondering if I could get answers to my vague questions:
Is the current Clare ranked among the top 10.
Do we get to see Clare or any claymore (group) meeting up with Priscilia.

Vague as yes / no and not yes she currently no# xx.
(don't wanna spoil myself too much ^_^")
For the first question, I can only say that the numbers in the ranks aren't always accurate indicators of their skills and Clare is the ideal example of this.

I'd rather not answer the second question.:p

dutchman

2007-05-31, 04:30

After watching ep 9, I wondering if I could get answers to my vague questions:
Is the current Clare ranked among the top 10.
Do we get to see Clare or any claymore (group) meeting up with Priscilia.

Vague as yes / no and not yes she currently no# xx.
(don't wanna spoil myself too much ^_^")

Thank you in advance.

to her rank ..

if you mean the current anime rank NO (but that you probably already know;))
if you mean the current manga rank YES !!!

to meeting with Priscilia

NO (at least not any of the Claymores)

BrokenWingz

2007-05-31, 04:44

Thanks ( again):)

dutchman

2007-05-31, 10:03

TinyRedLeaf

2007-05-31, 12:30

Nice theory. Although I think you might be reading a little bit too much into it. :)

As I see it, the warriors behave somewhat similarly to solitary predators like tigers. Put two or more of them together in the same place, and you'd soon end up literally with a cat fight. It's part of their natural instinct to establish the dominant (fe)male in the group. I guess that's why it's necessary to assign a single-digit warrior to every task force -- the single-digit warrior would be the leader by default, and thus removes the need for unnecessary in-fighting.

That said, the single-digit would still require some degree of leadership ability to gel the impromtu group. In Episode 9, you can see how even Miria has problems keeping Helen in check.

Xellos-_^

2007-05-31, 12:42

HinaThePrince

2007-05-31, 14:11

Completely random thought:

I might be kind of slow, but I've just noticed that in the OP, Clare is fighting an Awakened Being alongside Miria and Ilene.

And I ask: what?!

Xellos-_^

2007-05-31, 14:17

Completely random thought:

I might be kind of slow, but I've just noticed that in the OP, Clare is fighting an Awakened Being alongside Miria and Ilene.

And I ask: what?!

wait a few more eps and your question will be answer. Or if you like ask again in the manga section.

HinaThePrince

2007-05-31, 14:30

wait a few more eps and your question will be answer.

How would it? Miria and Ilene haven't met. And they never will, either, since Ilene is dead.

Anh_Minh

2007-05-31, 14:37

It's just the op. It's not like Clare and Theresa could ever cross swords, either.

khryoleoz

2007-05-31, 14:43

I'd like Yukana Nogami for Riful. I can just hear it.

MrProphet

2007-05-31, 14:46

Riful should be voiced by someone who can be both playful as a child and seriously badass. Yukana cannot do the first, imho.

If Hisakawa hasn't been playing Priscilla, she'd definitely fit Riful.

Xellos-_^

2007-05-31, 15:02

Riful should be voiced by someone who can be both playful as a child and seriously badass. Yukana cannot do the first, imho.

If Hisakawa hasn't been playing Priscilla, she'd definitely fit Riful.

Who is the VA for Illya in FSN? She might work. And I think Yukana can do a good Riful, She has better range then most people realize.

Ronny

2007-05-31, 15:21

Completely random thought:

I might be kind of slow, but I've just noticed that in the OP, Clare is fighting an Awakened Being alongside Miria and Ilene.

And I ask: what?!
Actually, the ones fighting the Awakened are Clare, Miria, Helen and Deneve, followed by a facial shot of Miria and Irene.
Although, judging by the way Irene is rather prominently featured in the opening, my guesses are that either she's alive or she will somehow haunt Clare's mind (which makes no sense as that should be Priscilla, so alive it is)

And I agree, Yukana could definitely pull off childlike and badass bitch and in either high or low pitch. (...don't actually know what Riful would have to sound like, as I haven't read the manga yet)

cors8

2007-05-31, 15:54

I like how the intro shows Clare, Teresa, Irene, and Ophelia in order.

It's a nice little peak into the future for Clare's motivations.

Kinematics

2007-05-31, 16:13

I might be kind of slow, but I've just noticed that in the OP, Clare is fighting an Awakened Being alongside Miria and Ilene.

Where are you seeing that? The only place I see such direct fighting is at 1:57 (ep 9), where there's Clare and 3 others (most likely: Helen, Clare, Denev, Miria from left to right). Everything else is simply head shots of the various characters in the series.

Edit: dupe response, looks like. Need to not leave these threads open so long :)

LCeh

2007-05-31, 17:27

Who is the VA for Illya in FSN? She might work. And I think Yukana can do a good Riful, She has better range then most people realize.

Her voice might be too loli for Riful imo, at least from what I imagined. How about Miyuki's VA from Lucky Star?

Ronny

2007-05-31, 17:42

I probably shouldn't actually involve myself in this topic, not having read the manga XD. But depending what her tone of voice should be like (which is why i should stay out of this lol), and especially with all the veterans around already, wouldn't Hayashibara Megumi be able to voice Riful? (in the sense that she could capture playful, childlike and badass perfectly)

Xellos-_^

2007-05-31, 18:11

Negativedark

2007-05-31, 22:11

Actually Hayashibar Megumi could be a good chioce. She's pretty versitle, having done charecters like Rei Ayanimi from Evengelion, or Lina.
Come to think of it Lina also was paired with a much dumber male charecter.

MrProphet

2007-05-31, 22:26

Megumi Hayashibara is semi-retired. She only comes back for a special project, not just any TV series.

khryoleoz

2007-06-01, 00:42

I like how the intro shows Clare, Teresa, Irene, and Ophelia in order.

It's a nice little peak into the future for Clare's motivations.

I was thinking about this, why these four characters are the first to grace the OP credits knowing the fates of three of them. And suddenly it hit me how they're connected

lapchern

2007-06-01, 01:58

i just started watching claymore 1-9 in a matter of a day and caught up on all the manga on the next day. i'm literally hooked. i was pleased in the fast pacing of the story in the manga... until i realized it was first released in 2001 and it comes out on a monthly basis!!! that's killer...

anyone have any guess as to how many years claymore has left till it ends? at this rate i'm thinking at least 6 more years as it seems like we're at about the halfway point in the current volume (13). Let's not make this a 15 year old manga like hajime no ippo :( . seriously, how can shonen get away with making a monthly release magazine that forces chapters to come out at a snail-like pace?

and let me add that the scene where priscilla kills teresa has to be one of the best animated scenes i've ever experienced. the sound and cinematics were perfectly coordinated.

srry just had to vent.

NoSanninWa

2007-06-01, 03:27

Your guess is about right though the current best estimate is 5 years.

LCeh

2007-06-01, 10:04

Is anyone else excited to see Galatea on screen in an episode's time or two? I know I am. :D I hope her VA will do a good job.

MrProphet

2007-06-01, 10:15

Endless Gravestones arc starts in about 4 episodes, so I guess we won't see Galatea until episode 14 or 15.

Though, since she is my favourite character in Claymore, I am looking forward to her. 8)

HinaThePrince

2007-06-01, 10:19

Is anyone else excited to see Galatea on screen in an episode's time or two? I know I am. :D I hope her VA will do a good job.

Me! I'm curious about her VA, just as I am about everyone else's, really.

And a part of me is still hoping she'll be voiced by Kawakami Tomoko so this series will officially become "Epic Female Seiyuu Orgy of the Decade".

Endless Gravestones arc starts in about 4 episodes, so I guess we won't see Galatea until episode 14 or 15.

She was in The Slashers arc, as well. But she had a very minor role.

LCeh

2007-06-01, 10:20

Endless Gravestones arc starts in about 4 episodes, so I guess we won't see Galatea until episode 14 or 15.

Though, since she is my favourite character in Claymore, I am looking forward to her. 8)

Well, there is the conversation between her and Rubel at the end of Slasher arc, so that will probably happen in 2 episodes I think? :heh:

SimplyEd

2007-06-01, 13:47

I'm soooooooo waiting for Ophelias sick performance^^

Seriously, her seiyuu has to delve deep into psycho-badass mode there.

dutchman

2007-06-01, 14:17

As I see it, the warriors behave somewhat similarly to solitary predators like tigers. Put two or more of them together in the same place, and you'd soon end up literally with a cat fight. It's part of their natural instinct to establish the dominant (fe)male in the group. I guess that's why it's necessary to assign a single-digit warrior to every task force -- the single-digit warrior would be the leader by default, and thus removes the need for unnecessary in-fighting.

Heh ok TinyRedLeaf I forgot the fact that Claymores are basically filling the man's role in this show so it wouldn't be much of a suprise that they want to dominate just like a any man would :heh:

Thanks for reminding me of this.

Helen describe it best :D

"Oh man, if you gather 4 or 5 of them for an awakened being hunt, there are always some people who have to act retarded"

Yeah I have mentioned that quote a while ago in the famous quote thread. It cracked me up seeing Helen of all people saying that. And I really liked the stoic deadpan face of Clare while looking at Helen when she said that.

Mandrake

2007-06-01, 15:44

I'm a bit curious about the VA of Isley

Xellos-_^

2007-06-01, 15:49

I'm a bit curious about the VA of Isley

The va for Griffin in Berserk or Char.

Claymore_Obsessed

2007-06-01, 16:33

The va for Griffin in Berserk or Char.

I agree, Char's seiyuu would be perfect

Xellos-_^

2007-06-01, 16:54

I agree, Char's seiyuu would be perfect

And Char is famous for his taste in little girls :D

Negativedark

2007-06-01, 21:32

Very well then. While were at it, I nominate we paint Isley red, so he'll be three times faster.

Enara

2007-06-02, 08:05

I'd like Yukana Nogami for Riful. I can just hear it.

i was thinking it would be some thing like the girl for gate keepers 21 if any of you have seen that the girl whith the skull now that would be good for her

rei_lied

2007-06-02, 09:01

I would like Akira Ishida to be Isley's VA. He's done great jobs on antagonist male characters. I think he was also the VA for Raki's brother. I'm not really sure. And as for Galatea...I still don't have a clue on who I want to be her VA.

Ronny

2007-06-02, 09:58

That's the thing though, he already did Raki's brother, how minor that may be, so I doubt he'll get another role later on.

But you never know, I wouldn't mind, he's one of my favorite male seiyuu.

Twisted Reality

2007-06-02, 10:27

If you did that, I would keep it as my wallpaper, and be deeply grateful to your awesomeness :P. I really want to see those claymores in tastefully sexy pyjamas.......
*the Claymores rip open the front of their pajamas*

HinaThePrince: "Aughhhh!"
Negative Dark: "What the hell is that?!"
amirali: "I think I'm gonna puke!"
Tempest: *retching noises*
Twisted Reality: "It hurrrrtssss the eyessesssessss!"

Twisted Reality

2007-06-02, 10:54

After watching ep9 again I started thinking about what the significance of having a (high) rank means for most of the Claymores (you see Helen and Deneve constantly bringing this up and Sophia and Noel also found it very important). Also in the manga this occurs quite a few times.

I tried to come up with a possible explanation for this behaviour.

I think to most of the Claymores the rank they have received from the organisation is a way to measure their own individual value. The rank they earned and their symbol/sword are probably the only things they can call their own. It’s what helps to define themselves as an individual.

It also emphasizes the fact that the life of a Claymore is indeed a sad one. Being proud of having been assigned a number which equals somewhat your standing/worth in the organisation you belong to doesn’t sound so appealing to me.

Actually it also makes Clare an even stronger person in my eyes. Because she doesn’t let her low ranking faze her or hold her back. She stubbornly follows her own path to improve herself on her path to revenge.

If you compare her for example with Yuma (I like her and know this isn’t really fair to poor Yuma) nr 40 then we see a Claymore with an very low self-esteem and very little confidence.

When I think about it wouldn’t surprise me if most of the lower rank (<= 40) Claymores are generally the insecure ones.

Of course I can be entirely wrong but that is the impression which remained.
I think the answer is really simple: Professional pride. The only group that Claymores really belong to are with other Claymores. So the only job worth anything to their little society is how well they fight Yoma. They're really quite isolate from the world of innkeeps, artisans, priests and whatnot. So they're not likely to be valued for their beauty, other professional skill, piousness or whatever. Of course, Clare had her little warriors' moment with Galk and that other knife-throwing dude (what's-his-face).

The interesting thing is that the Claymores, all have different ways of manifesting their professional interests. Illena is the calm and even-tempered Zen-soldier. Ophelia is just plain licking-blood-off-the-sword crazy and playful. Clare and Priscilla were both motivated by getting vengeance for having a loved one killed.

Negativedark

2007-06-02, 12:55

*the Claymores rip open the front of their pajamas*

HinaThePrince: "Aughhhh!"
Negative Dark: "What the hell is that?!"
amirali: "I think I'm gonna puke!"
Tempest: *retching noises*
Twisted Reality: "It hurrrrtssss the eyessesssessss!"

Actually I figure I'm likley to say "Meh. I've seen worse."
How much you want to bet that compared to what we're anticipating, what's actually revealed won't be so bad?

Westlo

2007-06-02, 13:29

Depends on whether how bad Teresas looked is the norm or the exception, hopefully we find out in the near future.

Negativedark

2007-06-02, 15:45

A humorous possibility.
Claire-"Raki, I hope my body doesn't disgust you too much." Lifts up shirt.
Raki-"Okay I don't see anything wrong?"
Claire-"There! Right their! It's hidious isn't it?!"
Raki-"What, your bellybutton?"
Claire-"It's an outie! I'm a freak!"

More probably ones are surgical scarring, missing skin, and discoloration. We do know it cannot be anything that affects the profile, or it would show up under their clothes.

Twisted Reality

2007-06-02, 22:26

Dude...they're secretly furries under that nylon shirt. Perfect for you weirdos out there.

I don't know, it seemed like a pretty quick boner-killer for the bandits that were eying Theresa. It's at least something alien-looking enough to quickly put you off on a glance. The horror....the horror...

Oh well, I suppose that's nothing an open-minded guy can't get over with time. Assuming that being with an amazon warrioress that is capable of breaking you over her knee like a rotten branch is okay with a guy...mmm...emasculating.

Guido

2007-06-02, 22:37

I know who could be the perfect match and suitable voice for Ophelia... Tanaka Rie

*Imagine the voice of psycho-lesbian Tomoe or Suigintou in Ophelia.

G. Zeus

2007-06-02, 22:38

HinaThePrince

2007-06-02, 23:22

I know who could be the perfect match and suitable voice for Ophelia... Tanaka Rie

*Imagine the voice of psycho-lesbian Tomoe or Suigintou in Ophelia.

HELL YEAH. I love that seiyuu, she'd be perfect!

Negativedark

2007-06-03, 08:16

I know who could be the perfect match and suitable voice for Ophelia... Tanaka Rie

*Imagine the voice of psycho-lesbian Tomoe or Suigintou in Ophelia.

And she did cop a feel of Claire when they first met...

Enara

2007-06-03, 08:53

[/CODE]I know who could be the perfect match and suitable voice for Ophelia... Tanaka Rie

*Imagine the voice of psycho-lesbian Tomoe or Suigintou in Ophelia.

didn't she do the voice of Chi from chobits? (don't like the show my self ):heh:

and i don't know if people are still talking about this but if some one can draw could they put Riful in the wiked which of the west outfit and one more thing (not realy a spoiler in vol. 8 when riful said that priscila is said to have killed all men,women and children in every town she visited as an awakended being, except one little girl --a "little girl that did not even reflected in her eyes" i know it was clare but why do you people think she did it? i hve no clue it wasn't because she wasn't hungery she said she was but why not kill clare the one closest to tressa? plez. post your ideas

Westlo

2007-06-03, 08:55

Oh she could definately pull of ophelia, looking forward to seeing who does her and yes she did Chii from Chobits though her biggest VA role is Lacus from Gundam SEED.

She can pull of Ophelia, she has the range too.

stormy001_M1A2

2007-06-04, 22:23

Who is Tanaka Rie?

cors8

2007-06-04, 22:37

Who is Tanaka Rie?

The seiyu for Lacus Clyne from Gundam Seed. Wonder if Lacus dust would do anything in Claymore....

Skane

2007-06-04, 22:49

Who is Tanaka Rie?
A rather versatile VA. Some notable roles that she has voiced before,

Chii, Chobits
Lacus/Meer, Gundam SEED
Maria, Hayate no Gotuku!
Suigintou, Rozen Maiden

For the full list (which is rather extensive...) click here (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=697).

Cheers.

stormy001_M1A2

2007-06-04, 23:04

thanks for the info, people

NoSanninWa

2007-06-05, 17:53

Umm.. all Claymore's can do it to some extent, otherwise they wouldn't be able to tell Yoma apart from humans.

Its just that Teresa had developed the skill to a much greater extent than the other Claymores. Most likely because that played to Teresa natural abilitys.. It is quite possible that other Claymores could train their Yoma sensing skill to equal Teresa's.. they would just have to work hard at it. Clare more than likely got the idea from Teresa, but I doubt if she inherited Teresa's talent for it.. otherwise she wouldn't be ranked #47. This is all speculation though.. we just dont know

Oh! I soooo want to answer to that. Please come over to a spoiler venting thread so that i can speak freely^^

No reason you couldn't have taken this here yourself. What was it you wanted to say? Keep in mind that volume 8 hasn't been released by Viz, so if you are referring to something there then you'll need spoiler tags. Since 8 is almost released by Viz please keep such comments separate from the rest of the manga. I've got a few opinions myself...

Personally I agree it is likely to be an inherited gift even though Claire needed to learn it for herself after much study. That was Theresa's specialty after all. The old men were saying in volume 8 that they hoped to preserve Theresa's abilities by using her flesh and blood to make Claire.Later on, after the organization started to doubt Galatea they made it clear that they were raising a new "Eye" to replace her. This implies that they can choose what sort of talents a Claymore will have. I'd suspect this is because they inherit the properties of the specific youma flesh and blood used. If they can choose to raise an "Eye" then this matches with their comment in volume 8.

Tempest35

2007-06-05, 18:07

Vol. 8's been out for a while now NSW... (Well, a week hardly constitutes as a 'long while' but y'know). At least in the stores in FL USA, they had them on the shelves a good four days early. Meh, store release schedules must be different for the different distro areas.

And I agree with the inheriting abilities and such. I mean, if any of the other Claymore could sense Youki as minutely as Teresa (and subsequently Clare), why would Miria have been so shocked when Clare did it? She spoke about Clare's ability as if it were some inherent ability that she practiced for a fight.

Although how did Ophelia know how to counter Clare so quickly - I must chalk that up to her being #4. For her being such a nutcase, she was still a hell of a fighter and worthy of being called #4 for fighting ability and power alone. Possibly she could have been #3 if she wasn't so blood-thirsty. :heh:

cors8

2007-06-05, 18:50

Although how did Ophelia know how to counter Clare so quickly - I must chalk that up to her being #4. For her being such a nutcase, she was still a hell of a fighter and worthy of being called #4 for fighting ability and power alone. Possibly she could have been #3 if she wasn't so blood-thirsty. :heh:

I don't think so. I think Galatea could easily manipulate her like she did to Dauf, not to mention her youki release is the strongest of all Claymores.

SimplyEd

2007-06-05, 19:17

You guys took the words right out of my mind.

An additional remark: Clares/Teresas youki reading is different from regular youki sensing. The latter can be done by any Claymore to a certain extent, true. "Eyes" are normally long-range sensors. They can detect youki over distance and they can depict characteristics quite accurately.
I do assume that Galatea is a superior sensor, much more capable then any "eyes" before her. It's just speculation, but i'm trying to deduct this from reactions toward her.

Clares/Teresas "reading" is much more combat orientated. Close range combat for minute reactions. As long as the opponents youki is focused, readers can activly foresee actions. Sensor are not apt for such a feat.
I do not think that other Claymores can train themselves to attain that sort of speciality.
They may get better at sensing youki, but not combat reading.

That said, yes, the special ability was inherited from Teresa but not the proficiency for it. Teresa was a superior swordfighter. One of the best, if not THE best. Even without relying on her special ability she could take on every opponent with her basic fighting prowess alone.
Clare, unfortunately, is a long long way from that sort of perfection.

In a nutshell, it's not so much that Teresa developed sensing to an extremely high level. She has a different special ability similar to regular sensing, but not quite.
Teresas strength was her fighting prowess AND her special ability.
Clares strength relies more heavily on the special abiltiy part and the techniques she regularly inherits.

@Tempest35

Clare was able to read Ophelias youki there. It's just that her special attack made it impossible for Clare to dodge it in time. It were those fast and seemingly erratic sword movements, almost illusionary. Sazanami no ken, if i'm not mistaken (quoting from memory there..i'll look it up tomorrow to be sure)
Plus, of course, Ophelia was much better at close combat, no doubt^^

Tempest35

2007-06-05, 19:42

Clare was able to read Ophelias youki there. It's just that her special attack made it impossible for Clare to dodge it in time. It were those fast and seemingly erratic sword movements, almost illusionary.
Plus, of course, Ophelia was much better at close combat, no doubt^^

No doubt about Ophelia being able to kick butt (I still think that Noel could kick her pyscho arse) but what gets me is that Ophelia caught on that Clare was reading her youki in order to block. And rather quickly too. To deduce something like that within less than ten sword exchanges is pretty good in my book.
It's really too bad that Clare's sword proficency is really at the bottom of the heap at #47 :heh:

SimplyEd

2007-06-05, 19:49

Absolutely true. PsychOphelia was no push over, that's for sure^^

Thank goodness Clare makes up for her lacking swordswomenship with....being spunky and lovely^^
Teresa would be sooo proud..i sure am.

LCeh

2007-06-05, 23:36

You guys took the words right out of my mind.

An additional remark: Clares/Teresas youki reading is different from regular youki sensing. The latter can be done by any Claymore to a certain extent, true. "Eyes" are normally long-range sensors. They can detect youki over distance and they can depict characteristics quite accurately.
I do assume that Galatea is a superior sensor, much more capable then any "eyes" before her. It's just speculation, but i'm trying to deduct this from reactions toward her.

Clares/Teresas "reading" is much more combat orientated. Close range combat for minute reactions. As long as the opponents youki is focused, readers can activly foresee actions. Sensor are not apt for such a feat.
I do not think that other Claymores can train themselves to attain that sort of speciality.
They may get better at sensing youki, but not combat reading.

That said, yes, the special ability was inherited from Teresa but not the proficiency for it. Teresa was a superior swordfighter. One of the best, if not THE best. Even without relying on her special ability she could take on every opponent with her basic fighting prowess alone.
Clare, unfortunately, is a long long way from that sort of perfection.

In a nutshell, it's not so much that Teresa developed sensing to an extremely high level. She has a different special ability similar to regular sensing, but not quite.
Teresas strength was her fighting prowess AND her special ability.
Clares strength relies more heavily on the special abiltiy part and the techniques she regularly inherits.

I think you made some really good points. I want to throw something out there as well though:

Near the end of Slashers arc when the Fab 4 were talking and Galatea was sensing their youki, Clare was the only one out of the four that sensed and suspected that someone was watching them. This showed that Clare not only had superior youki sensing abilities in close range, but her yoki sensing radius was also above that of average claymores.

Another indirect proof was that near chapter 69-70, when Tabatha was acting as the eye of the group, it seemed like Clare was the second person of the group to sense Riful.

So all in all, it seems like the abilities needed for a large yoki sensing radius might be different from that of figuring out the details in yoki flow inside a body, but that's certainly not to say these two aren't correlated. It seems that Galatea also was very inept at sensing yoki flow, maybe not at Clare's level, but definitely superior to average claymores as well.

Anh_Minh

2007-06-06, 04:10

Later on, after the organization started to doubt Galatea they made it clear that they were raising a new "Eye" to replace her. This implies that they can choose what sort of talents a Claymore will have. I'd suspect this is because they inherit the properties of the specific youma flesh and blood used. If they can choose to raise an "Eye" then this matches with their comment in volume 8.

I thought they just meant they'd found a promising trainee or trainees and started giving her the specific training to make her an "eye". Even early on, they may be able to tell what kind of talents a Claymore will have (Strength, speed, senses...), but they don't have to be able to predict it before the process is even started.

Claymore_Obsessed

2007-06-06, 06:35

by the way, Ophelia had also some luck besides skill...
that awakened had basically pwned her, she was just foolish enough to twist her head instead of tearing it apart...

Tempest35

2007-06-06, 07:02

I think you made some really good points. I want to throw something out there as well though:

Near the end of Slashers arc when the Fab 4 were talking and Galatea was sensing their youki, Clare was the only one out of the four that sensed and suspected that someone was watching them. This showed that Clare not only had superior youki sensing abilities in close range, but her yoki sensing radius was also above that of average claymores.

Another indirect proof was that near chapter 69-70, when Tabatha was acting as the eye of the group, it seemed like Clare was the second person of the group to sense Riful.

So all in all, it seems like the abilities needed for a large yoki sensing radius might be different from that of figuring out the details in yoki flow inside a body, but that's certainly not to say these two aren't correlated. It seems that Galatea also was very inept at sensing yoki flow, maybe not at Clare's level, but definitely superior to average claymores as well.

Her range extends much further than even the 6th ranked Miria's. But to extend that far's more of once-a-day pulse than a steady thing so it's pretty unreliable as far as they're concerned.

And for our Silver Eyed Seven when they returned to the South, Tabatha was the first one to sense Riful yes, but Clare, Miria, and possibly Deneve, could sense her true hidden power from that range. Maybe Tabatha could sense Riful's true power but she didn't correct Yuma when she was all 'oh, it looks like they can handle themselves'.

I feel that Gatalea can sense the Youma energy as minutely like Clare can, it's just that she utilizes a 'water' approach rather than Clare's 'air' approach. Gatalea guides the opponent's youki with her own to do what she wants them to do (up to a certain point) while Clare uses her ability to predict her opponent's movements and then counter.

LCeh

2007-06-06, 09:56

Her range extends much further than even the 6th ranked Miria's. But to extend that far's more of once-a-day pulse than a steady thing so it's pretty unreliable as far as they're concerned.

I am not too sure what you meant by that. Do you mind clarifying a little bit? :heh:

And for our Silver Eyed Seven when they returned to the South, Tabatha was the first one to sense Riful yes, but Clare, Miria, and possibly Deneve, could sense her true hidden power from that range. Maybe Tabatha could sense Riful's true power but she didn't correct Yuma when she was all 'oh, it looks like they can handle themselves'.

I feel that Gatalea can sense the Youma energy as minutely like Clare can, it's just that she utilizes a 'water' approach rather than Clare's 'air' approach. Gatalea guides the opponent's youki with her own to do what she wants them to do (up to a certain point) while Clare uses her ability to predict her opponent's movements and then counter.

Yea, I probably should have corrected my previous statement for a bit. I don't think it's certain yet whether Clare's yoki flow sensing ability is better than that of Galatea's yet. Even though Galatea has not shown that she could predict movements like Clare could, she certainly has a lot of insights when it comes to Yoki.

Tempest35

2007-06-06, 23:30

I am not too sure what you meant by that. Do you mind clarifying a little bit? :heh:

Ah okay - I didn't do a good job with that explantion. :heh: Anyway, it's understood that aside from Rafalea, Gatalea has the widest Youki-sensing ability out of the Claymores. But lil Rank 47 Clare picked up on Gatalea sensing them but she wasn't sure. Miria told her to write it off since she was still a low rank and she was #6 so she thought that Clare's unique ability didn't extend nearly that far but apparently it does.
What I meant by a one-time pulse was that Clare sensing Gatalea then was like a single sonar pulse. In comparison, Gatalea's sensing ability is like a magnetic field in that everything that is within the range, she can feel it. Also, it seems that Gatalea can narrow the direction she is looking at like a doppler radar and extend the coverage area.

Yea, I probably should have corrected my previous statement for a bit. I don't think it's certain yet whether Clare's yoki flow sensing ability is better than that of Galatea's yet. Even though Galatea has not shown that she could predict movements like Clare could, she certainly has a lot of insights when it comes to Yoki.

Well, I'm not saying that it's better than Gatalea's either but it's definitely close. Clare reads youki while Gatalea manipulates youki. And like Riful hinted a bit, being able to sense youki like Clare can is just a step below being able to learn how to manipulate the opponent's youki with your own.

LCeh

2007-06-06, 23:52

Ah okay - I didn't do a good job with that explantion. :heh: Anyway, it's understood that aside from Rafalea, Gatalea has the widest Youki-sensing ability out of the Claymores. But lil Rank 47 Clare picked up on Gatalea sensing them but she wasn't sure. Miria told her to write it off since she was still a low rank and she was #6 so she thought that Clare's unique ability didn't extend nearly that far but apparently it does.
What I meant by a one-time pulse was that Clare sensing Gatalea then was like a single sonar pulse. In comparison, Gatalea's sensing ability is like a magnetic field in that everything that is within the range, she can feel it. Also, it seems that Gatalea can narrow the direction she is looking at like a doppler radar and extend the coverage area.

The way I understood it, it didn't mean Clare's sensing was only a single pulse. It's just that she felt someone was watching, but Miria insisted that no one was there, so she did not continue to pursue it.

I believe that both can sense yoki from a range continuously, it's just that Galatea has a wider radius that Clare.

As to your last point about Galatea having a doppler radar, that's interesting. How did that come about?

TinyRedLeaf

2007-06-07, 01:54

A quick rant in response to Episode 10. I believe this to be the thread to do that, since it's mostly because I strongly feel that the anime is not living up to the manga. :heh:

I had much to take issue with viewers' impression of anime Helen's immediate reactions to anime Deneve suddenly getting knocked out of the fight. Going by my impression of the manga, the attack happened so suddenly that all four warriors were left stunned. Manga Helen's immediate reaction, as can be clearly seen from her facial expression, was to jump in and attack in retaliation.

Anime viewers instead get the impression that Helen was being calm and collected, avoiding Priscilla's mistake of going overboard with her emotions. Well, perhaps that was indeed the director's intention, but if that were so, it is to me, a gross misinterpretation of Helen's personality. Helen is supposed to be the most hot-headed of the "Fab Four". Her monotonous reaction in the anime was, to me, totally out-of-character.

The scene where only Miria was left standing was also very poorly acted in my opinion. The intention was for the Awakened Male to teach her "true despair" -- manga Miria's first reaction was to see to the welfare of her fallen comrades, and then counterattack. Her calm determination was very apparent, again through her facial expressions.

Anime Miria, on the other hand, seemed only to be going through motions. Nevermind the fact that the faces were badly drawn again (all blank, no emotions), as has been the case in the previous episode, but even her voice betrayed hardly any sense of concern. Judging by the tone of her voice, it's almost as though the loss of three comrades -- however little she knows about them -- was merely something she sees everyday, ie, it's as though it was no big deal to her.

This isn't the first time an episode left me feeling less satisfied than I thought I should have been. Episode 8 was actually another occassion where I felt, "Hmm, strange, I know I should be shocked that Teresa just got killed, but somehow, I feel nothing." That was what eventually pushed me to read the manga. And I was right, the manga depicts the action and the emotions much better than the anime.

Am I the only one who feels that the anime isn't doing the manga enough justice? Raki, for example, is poorly portrayed in the anime, and just isn't matching up to how he is portrayed in the manga.

It's really quite strange, given how closely the anime is sticking to the manga. You'd think that with most of the storyboarding already done for you, the director (who is he anyway? has he had much experience directing action-anime?) would do a better job, but in my opinion, he is falling short of expectations.

lapchern

2007-06-07, 01:56

i might be the weird one but i feel like claymore is one of the best and faithful manga to anime adaptations i've ever seen... right up there with hajime no ippo and hunter x hunter

HinaThePrince

2007-06-07, 07:16

TRL, you took the words straight out of my mouth. Kudos for you.

Negativedark

2007-06-07, 07:59

HinaThePrince

2007-06-07, 08:04

The only thing with Helen's reaction, witch I can't say in the anime thread because it hasn't been revealed yet, it that since she has been freinds with Deneve so long, she probably know about Deneve's regenreative powers. So it's not an "OMG, you killed Deneve, you bastard!" reaction, but an "sheesh, now Deneves going to have to take ten minutes to grow the arm back." reaction.

Yeah, except Deneve fell off a really high cliff.

Mandrake

2007-06-07, 08:43

you heard a splash though! Helen must have thought, "Ah...at least a soft landing" Well, as soft as it can get XD

Anh_Minh

2007-06-07, 08:45

Yeah, except Deneve fell off a really high cliff.
If it's survivable for Chibi Clare, it's survivable for a Claymore.

HinaThePrince

2007-06-07, 08:52

If it's survivable for Chibi Clare, it's survivable for a Claymore.

a. Chibi Clare didn't get her arm detached
b. The cliff Deneve fell from seemed much taller.

Tempest35

2007-06-07, 09:07

To be fair to Deneve, Chibi Clare didn't have to deal with the missing arm issue that Deneve had ...:heh: Yeah...what Hina said.

And we really can't blame the producer for his storyboards because it is easy to see just where he is getting the storyboard - the manga itself. A lot of the shots are nearly identical to the shots in the manga.

In my opinion, if he wanted to animate the part in Ep 10 when Clare was dodging Six Arms Awakened with a bit more fluidity while Miria had her dialogue going, he could have done away with the blur effect for her dodging and just show her literally sidestepping but have done so in slow-motion and at the same time, keeping Miria's monologue going normal speed.
The showing of the Youki inside Six Arms Awakened, I would have done a little differently myself... But I don't think that he did bad by doing it the way it was done.

It's one of those calls in which does he show exactly what he sees in the manga or does he do something slightly different?

Archmagination2002

2007-06-07, 10:32

I just don't like how dark episode 10 was.. it pissed me off!!

Claymore_Obsessed

2007-06-07, 14:51

a. Chibi Clare didn't get her arm detached
b. The cliff Deneve fell from seemed much taller.

A mere fall into a cliff is a joke to a Claymore, imho...

SimplyEd

2007-06-07, 16:05

In my opinion, if he wanted to animate the part in Ep 10 when Clare was dodging Six Arms Awakened with a bit more fluidity while Miria had her dialogue going, he could have done away with the blur effect for her dodging and just show her literally sidestepping but have done so in slow-motion and at the same time, keeping Miria's monologue going normal speed.
The showing of the Youki inside Six Arms Awakened, I would have done a little differently myself... But I don't think that he did bad by doing it the way it was done.

It's one of those calls in which does he show exactly what he sees in the manga or does he do something slightly different?

Hmm. That scene was already depicted at a slower-than-reality rate. A normal human eye probably couldn't have seen most of what's going on there. A human would only see the arms failing to hit Clare and her walking straight towards the Awakened. Her dodging is directly tied to her youki reading and therefore she can reach speeds similar to Mirias exceptional abilities.
The only reason why she's still knocked around later on is because she's still figuring out her full potential.
The visualization of the youki flow inside the Awakened was quite well done. We just have to see that youki reading only fully works when the youki flow is focused and not erratic, going wild like in Priscillas case.
That would be a situation of dire danger for Clare, at any point.

Everything was plainly open to "see" for Clare at that specific time. Youki reading is also much faster than "sensing" i think. The slightest change in flow has to be recognized, computed and than translated to a dodging reaction at extreme speed.
There are instances where this flow of actions can be disrupted, as we have seen in case of Ophelias battle with Clare.

NoSanninWa

2007-06-07, 16:51

Everything was plainly open to "see" for Clare at that specific time. Youki reading is also much faster than "sensing" i think. The slightest change in flow has to be recognized, computed and than translated to a dodging reaction at extreme speed.
There are instances where this flow of actions can be disrupted, as we have seen in case of Ophelias battle with Clare.

It's not that youki reading is exactly faster that sight or other senses. Youki reading allows you to see where the youma will move BEFORE the youma actually moves there. That's why it is "faster". It allows the action to be seen before it happens.

SimplyEd

2007-06-07, 16:59

It's not that youki reading is exactly faster that sight or other senses. Youki reading allows you to see where the youma will move BEFORE the youma actually moves there. That's why it is "faster". It allows the action to be seen before it happens.

Absolutely true. Yet, i think it's faster considering in what's involved in the whole process.There are a lot more processes that play together to reach a desired result in case of "reading".
"Sensing" merely observes, "reading" observes and triggers reactions at the same time.

Hmm, this subject is rather fascinating, i may post some thoughts on the biology thread about it.

pushpaka

2007-06-08, 21:55

a. Chibi Clare didn't get her arm detached
b. The cliff Deneve fell from seemed much taller.

Also didn't little Clare catch onto a branch before falling again. That'll slow her descent down tremendously. She was mostly winded from a lack of water.

On the other hand, Deneve crashed hard from the shock of getting her arm zapped off. I can't remember the anime, but the manga had her look completely blanked-face and suddenly tip over the cliff. Clare at least knew, got alerted when she lost her footing so was ready to reach out for a branch to break her fall.

Enara

2007-06-10, 09:38

I just don't like how dark episode 10 was.. it pissed me off!!

i know what you meen ep. 10 of Claymore i found a disapointment and the funny part about it was that the part in the book is my one of fav. parts in the book :sad:

Shinen

2007-06-11, 07:31

Am I the only one who feels that the anime isn't doing the manga enough justice?
It's really quite strange, given how closely the anime is sticking to the manga. You'd think that with most of the storyboarding already done for you, the director (who is he anyway? has he had much experience directing action-anime?) would do a better job, but in my opinion, he is falling short of expectations.

A bit late, but I completely agree. I watched the anime first and my opinion was mostly "yea, it's ok ...". I only really watched it just like that, because of the Fantasy setting and didn't really expect it to be an above average series. Then, I don't really know why, but I decided to take a look at the manga - and I'm happy I did. The manga was a really good read, and a lot more intriguing than the anime. I'm not really sure why, but two things I've realized so far: Like you said, the art, in the manga it looks just so much better, especially the faces, of course an anime cannot always have the same detailed drawings as the manga, but in this case it seems like a big difference to me :uhoh:
Something else are the fights, they work really well on paper, but animated they are quite boring. It might be a question of the budget, but if they animate the fights a bit more fluently it would already have a really different feel imho. When I watched Seirei no Moribito I was like "that is what Claymore should have looked like!" :heh: But well, I'll see how the next episodes turn out, I believe that it can still get much better.

By the way, I realized this in a different thread, but this one seems better for a general discussion. I'm really surprised that so many readers have adopted some wrong transcriptions or changed names for some of the characters. Especially "Rubel" or "Ilena" are kinda invented or rather not at all possible spellings of their names in Katakana. It seems really weird to me because usually anime and mangas fans will still always stick to the original names or even use spellings extremely close to the Katakana, even if the original author said how the name should be spelled correctly (thinking of Raito/Light here :D), but for Claymore the changed names have been generally accepted :eyespin:

Negativedark

2007-06-11, 08:54

Well it also helps that many of these names are supposed to be europen in origin. It can be impossible to have a western name sound right in Katakana, because their are no solo cosnent sounds, all end in a vowel. Hence light is raito, even if its the term, not a name.

SimplyEd

2007-06-11, 11:50

@Shinen: About the names, i wholeheartedly agree, but you see that's just as it has always been.
Names/Titles even names of vicinities and towns and whatnot are bastardized in foreign versions on a regular basis. It's not even that the translators were particularly incompetent. Often, such things are being done on request from either side, to accomodate different markets and whatnot.
Often it's being done quite deliberately, without much logic behind the pratise.

Just take a look at what they've done with Gundam Seed, GSD and even the more common "kiddy"/comercial money-jerkers like Pokemon and all the other unholy stuff. :D

zato_1one

2007-06-15, 09:49

Just reading this thread so forgive me.

I honestly feel that the anime is very faithful to manga. I admit that the expression in manga is better than in anime. But not that much...
I had much to take issue with viewers' impression of anime Helen's immediate reactions to anime Deneve suddenly getting knocked out of the fight. Going by my impression of the manga, the attack happened so suddenly that all four warriors were left stunned. Manga Helen's immediate reaction, as can be clearly seen from her facial expression, was to jump in and attack in retaliation.

Anime viewers instead get the impression that Helen was being calm and collected, avoiding Priscilla's mistake of going overboard with her emotions. Well, perhaps that was indeed the director's intention, but if that were so, it is to me, a gross misinterpretation of Helen's personality. Helen is supposed to be the most hot-headed of the "Fab Four". Her monotonous reaction in the anime was, to me, totally out-of-character.
In manga, Helen reacted after that awakened spit Deneve's arm. Before that she was just stunning. When that awakened said "That meat tastes bad". This sentence triggered Helen to realize that "I must kill this bastard!"
In anime, it was the same but her expression might not convinced you enough. You might prefer if they drew Helen's eyes and mouth more bigger.
The scene where only Miria was left standing was also very poorly acted in my opinion. The intention was for the Awakened Male to teach her "true despair" -- manga Miria's first reaction was to see to the welfare of her fallen comrades, and then counterattack. Her calm determination was very apparent, again through her facial expressions.

Anime Miria, on the other hand, seemed only to be going through motions. Nevermind the fact that the faces were badly drawn again (all blank, no emotions), as has been the case in the previous episode, but even her voice betrayed hardly any sense of concern. Judging by the tone of her voice, it's almost as though the loss of three comrades -- however little she knows about them -- was merely something she sees everyday, ie, it's as though it was no big deal to her.
Nope. You could check at 09:14-09:18 and 09:35-09:40 in Ep.10. Her face clearly showed that she was uneasy. She sweated and her voice was shiver. But when that awakened started to lecture her. It gave her times to clear her head. And she could manage to keep her calm again. I could feel this same expression in both manga and anime.
This isn't the first time an episode left me feeling less satisfied than I thought I should have been. Episode 8 was actually another occassion where I felt, "Hmm, strange, I know I should be shocked that Teresa just got killed, but somehow, I feel nothing." That was what eventually pushed me to read the manga. And I was right, the manga depicts the action and the emotions much better than the anime.
Well, I actually love that scene in anime much more than in manga though.

In anime, there is an element that can increase or decrease the tension. It's called BGM. If audiences don't like it then it's may hard to keep level of enjoyment as it should be in manga. Lucky me I like them. It really help me a lot. :D

I prefer some parts in anime which deviate from manga. In episode10, the one who explained about male Claymore was Ermita instead of Miria. So I could feel that the fighting was still going on while reading the explanation. An innkeeper scene and Miria past were pretty interesting too.

I love both anime and manga. I know Claymore because of anime so I have to give some credits to MADHOUSE. They make the series looks good enough to convince me to read manga. It's one of a few animes which I can really say that it's truly getting better, better and better. :)

zetsumei

2007-06-15, 10:07

I love both anime and manga. I know Claymore because of anime so I have to give some credits to MADHOUSE. They make the series looks good enough to convince me to read manga. It's one of a few animes which I can really say that it's truly getting better, better and better.

I feel the same way. If the anime stay true to the manga this series is only going to get better and better with each arc. I mean I couldn't stop reading the manga, after I got to volume 6 I couldn't helped myself. After I got through reading all the volumes that was released, I felt like I wanted to read over again. The anime series is awsome and the manga is very addictive and entertaining to read.

Westlo

2007-06-15, 10:47

I honestly feel that the anime is very faithful to manga. I admit that the expression in manga is better in anime. But not that much...

I agree 100%, I would seriously have loved to have seen some of these peoples reactions if they had watched Samurai Deeper Kyo after reading the manga. Claymores manga to anime adaptation is as good as it gets.. at times it suffers from copying the manga to a fault.

chibamonster

2007-06-17, 06:45

I really liked having Galatea in ep 10 & 11 give more information earlier than she did in the manga. I also liked how some of the explanation of male awakened being was transfered over to her so the fab four and the awakened being weren't standing still during the explanation. I really liked when she realized the battle had switched in the claymores favor.

I liked that we saw more of Miria's history from when she almost awakened, although her friend had a very lame awakened form. Miria's fighting abilities in action were pretty cool. I noticed that they took part of her fight with the male awakened being to use against her friend. I especially like the sound effect with miria's flash step. Also a bigger shot of Ophelia, and the warning about her seemed more clear too.

Galatea's delivery sounded so dry and annoyed when she first started talking to Ermita it was awesome.

Bikerider

2007-06-17, 12:47

It's interesting what Madhouse is doing with the Anime. First it drops Clare's second job from the first eps. Now in 10 and 11 it's adding (*padding*) with extra (new) material. I'm sure there are going to be some filler eps somewhere. Probably flashback eps. It doesn't look easy to insert something in the tight storyline.

Anh_Minh

2007-06-17, 12:52

It's because these days, you have to fill all kinds of paperwork in triplicate if you want to forgo the hot spring episode. So they said "screw it, we'll just have to make one. Had soap already been invented in the Claymore world?"

More seriously, I don't think they'll need filler eps. The padding's just there to place the cuts in the story at the right places (i.e., at the end of the episode.). They will, however, need to increase the anime episodes / manga chapters ratio a bit, though.

Tempest35

2007-06-17, 13:00

Zu Ra

2007-06-17, 13:45

I am happy that the gore and blood levels were not toned down seeing Priscilla’s first appearance had gotten me worried I and SimplyEd had speculated they would use shadows or guise of darkness to tone down the graphic scenes. But they haven’t even if I try to find fault with anime I cant . I personally think anime has lived up and done justice to the manga till this point .

Goofus Maximus

2007-06-17, 16:19

I have noticed that the nudity has been subtley toned down from the manga version. Till I read the manga, I never knew there were actually bathing scenes with full buttock shots on view, for instance.

Panzerklein

2007-06-17, 18:16

I think "Quick Sword" Irene will rearrive in ep 13 (ep 12 Clare have big troulbe with Ophelia), he he.

Bikerider

2007-06-17, 19:50

I suppose, if they plan on making filler eps, they could follow Miria, Helen and Deneve through an arc each. I think anything to do with Miria though would be spoilers for the story ahead. Maybe other important characters too.

Considering the anime is covering the manga at about 3 chapters per episode, 26 eps will be close to 78 chapters.

AtumComMel

2007-06-17, 23:16

Considering the anime is covering the manga at about 3 chapters per episode, 26 eps will be close to 78 chapters.

I've been trying to do some calculations and the "graveyard" ending that most people suggest on the other thread, will be in fact on the episode 23 or 24.
If this continues this way, or they do add fillers, or it will end on the...
Galatea's chase

And as far as i've seen, the next ep (12) will end with..
Clare and Raikou kiss :kisskiss:

It seems they are rushing to put all the chapters already released on the 26 episodes..
Anyway, i love it :)

zetsumei

2007-06-18, 09:23

I've been trying to do some calculations and the "graveyard" ending that most people suggest on the other thread, will be in fact on the episode 23 or 24.
If this continues this way, or they do add fillers, or it will end on the...
Galatea's chase

And as far as i've seen, the next ep (12) will end with..
Clare and Raikou kiss :kisskiss:

It seems they are rushing to put all the chapters already released on the 26 episodes..
Anyway, i love it :)

Ep. 12 is going to have that ep. 08 feeling then. This arc is where I get really addictive to the manga and can't stop reading it. What about you guys?

dutchman

2007-06-18, 15:34

Its almost tuesday and boy I wonder If i am the only one who is anxious for episode 12 to air.

I mean we finally get to see Ophelia in action! Part of me is full anticipation however another part of me recals seeing how poor Clare and even Raki were tortured by that uber bat crazy psycho girl from hell.

Still its hard to believe that Claymore is reaching new heights. And possible when done right should equal and possible even surpass the Teresa arc.

The last time I enjoyed an anime series this much was in berserk which of course apart from the medieval setting is an whole other story. I have lurked a long time at animesuki before Claymore started and almost never bothered to post anything but with this series its different.

I am glad that I can enjoy the many posts of my fellow Claymore fans:D And I wonder what cries of outrage and indignation will flood the boards tomorrow night (mostly by anime only watchers):heh:.

killer3000ad

2007-06-18, 15:44

No you aren't. See my sig!:)

Zu Ra

2007-06-18, 19:49

The only complaint I have is the kiss and Raki not crushing family jewels with his Kick of Doom . Other than that zilch

I have noticed that the nudity has been subtley toned down from the manga version. Till I read the manga, I never knew there were actually bathing scenes with full buttock shots on view, for instance.

Censoring of nudity is expected I mean if it’s not an OVA DVD release you wont find nudity in general for show on primetime. Also the nudity was used in the manga to depict something. The depiction was how detached Clare is from the human world/society . The manga ka used Nudity also as an added fan service, the anime team used other means to depict that detachment

zetsumei

2007-06-18, 19:53

Its almost tuesday and boy I wonder If i am the only one who is anxious for episode 12 to air.

I mean we finally get to see Ophelia in action! Part of me is full anticipation however another part of me recals seeing how poor Clare and even Raki were tortured by that uber bat crazy psycho girl from hell.

Still its hard to believe that Claymore is reaching new heights. And possible when done right should equal and possible even surpass the Teresa arc.

The last time I enjoyed an anime series this much was in berserk which of course apart from the medieval setting is an whole other story. I have lurked a long time at animesuki before Claymore started and almost never bothered to post anything but with this series its different.

I am glad that can enjoy the many posts of my fellow Claymore fans:D And I wonder what cries of outrage and indignation will flood the boards tomorrow night (mostly by anime only watchers):heh:.

Haha~ I know what you mean. I've been around AnimeSuki for a while too and basically troll around reading posts. Then Claymore came along and I just had to sign up and show my love for how great show/manga. I definitely agreed with everything you said, everything will just keep getting better if done right. So much love for Claymore >_< /

Negativedark

2007-06-18, 21:35

I was looking for Claymore. All the great discussion was something I wasn't expecting to find.

Westlo

2007-06-19, 07:00

I've been trying to do some calculations and the "graveyard" ending that most people suggest on the other thread, will be in fact on the episode 23 or 24.
If this continues this way, or they do add fillers, or it will end on the...
Galatea's chase

Don't forget that they could extend the fight scenes (like Miria killing her friend) and they can insert scenes as well like (Raki and the innkeeper talking).

killer3000ad

2007-06-19, 07:27

Don't forget that they could extend the fight scenes (like Miria killing her friend) and they can insert scenes as well like (Raki and the innkeeper talking).

Or maybe for other filler they could
During the lull in the Northern campaign, the Claymores find a hotspring underground in Pieta thereby creating the obligatory hotspring filler episode :heh::heh:

pomps

2007-06-19, 08:05

Hot spring
Too bad Galatea doesn't join the Northern campain, but Flora is another glamourous Claymore, so the hot spring will cause serious nose bleeding :D.
But showing them in onsen and then have them sliced in half is sick, for me. It will kill the serie

Claymore_Obsessed

2007-06-19, 13:12

Haha~ I know what you mean. I've been around AnimeSuki for a while too and basically troll around reading posts. Then Claymore came along and I just had to sign up and show my love for how great show/manga. I definitely agreed with everything you said, everything will just keep getting better if done right. So much love for Claymore >_< /

Same here, I signed up for Claymore!

Oh well, it's Ofelia's time finally. I can see Ofi impersonating Triple H: it's time to play the game!:D

Westlo

2007-06-19, 23:20

Haha I also signed up to discuss Claymore after lurking here for a while.

Bikerider

2007-06-20, 00:26

Filler eps explaining why the other Claymores were sent north is possible too. Especially the low ranked ones. Like the under 40s

Panzerklein

2007-06-20, 03:08

Only 24 Claymores to Pieta, 3 Claymores at HQ, 1 Claymore doing undercover mission, it mean 19 Claymores died before Northern Campain begin.

pomps

2007-06-20, 08:45

The organization was not sending all their Clamores to the Northen Campaign. As far as I know, these are deceased Claymores who were in the same generation with Clare, before the Northen Campaign: Elena, Hilda, Ophelia, 3 Claymores in Jean's team, 4 in Eva's team, that makes 10.
But as Galatea said, the org leaves useful high ranking and more obedient Claymores out of the Campain, that means not all of the rest 19 are dead, even the forementioned 10 might be replaced before the Campain.

Panzerklein

2007-06-20, 09:00

Org is under lack of manpower, you can see that at class 79, I think they replace when have new class. Surely, 10 Claymores died, 9 Claymores unsure.

pomps

2007-06-20, 09:22

They replaced some if not all of 24 Claymores in the North even during the Campaign, that gave Galatea some time to came back to HQ and had some little investigation. They are probably abit lack of manpower 7 years later because of active Awakened hunting but not now.

TinyRedLeaf

2007-06-20, 13:15

Notwithstanding my disappointment with Episode 12 (I still love Claymore! Really! Just not too thrilled with the anime at the moment. :( ), thanks to the (in)competence of the animators, I dare say we now have a...

...very good idea of how Raki might look like after 7 years.

Refer to Episode 12, 6:22, to see what I mean. ;)

Oh me oh my. Dashing young chap there, eh? Older Raki reminds me a lot of either Nie Feng or Bu Jingyun of Feng Yun (The Stormriders) fame, hahahaha. :D

Revolutionist

2007-06-20, 13:36

I understand the manga is still being produced, and that the show is following it pretty much religiously. With that said, what are the chances of the anime ending with a Clare v Priscilla fight? O_o

From what I've seen so far the anime is pretty much leading to a confrontation between Clare and Priscilla... If what you guys are saying is true and this ends in a cliff hanger I'd be extremely pissed off.

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be the only one disappointed with the ending of we never got a conclusion to the conflict between the Claymores and the awakened ones.

Anh_Minh

2007-06-20, 13:53

I judge it unlikely.

For one thing, there are good places to stop the anime. They won't be cliffhangers of the "our dashing heroine is hanging on for dear life above a cliff. Next episode, you'll see how she gets out of it. See you in 6 years!" variety.

For another, Priscilla's presented as much too strong, and Clare just won't progress that fast. In the dozen or so episodes left, there's no way for her to get anywhere near close to the strength she'd need.

Though I suppose they could tone down Priscilla's strength, it's not too late for that, but that would radically change the story.

Negativedark

2007-06-20, 14:57

I wonder what the people watching the anime only will think whenDoesn't get reunited with Claire before the anime series ends?

Tempest35

2007-06-20, 15:00

Probably sing every single remix of 'Oh Happy Day' ever known to mortals. :heh:

NoSanninWa

2007-06-20, 15:08

I'm going to miss that little scamp

Anh_Minh

2007-06-20, 15:14

I liked him, and I did miss him at first, but considering who he's been replaced with, he can stay wherever he is.

Claymore Renegade

2007-06-20, 16:17

Ok what do you guys think Isley has in store for Raki because him and Priscila could take over the whole damn world if they really want to since she is stronger the the Abbysal one (counting Riffle) but they seem to be waiting for something since it has been 7 year since Riffle has revealed that Priscila is the strongest being in the claymore universe, and Raki is as close as family to them, it seems they would have something in store for him and i really dont think they just wanted company... and my bro believes they are turning him into a claymore himself but instead of a yoma being put in him, theres a abbysal one in him.

Zu Ra

2007-06-21, 00:04

Oh Noez

2007-06-26 13. The Endless Gravestones (Part 2)

2007-07-03 14. The Qualification to Fight (Part 1)

2007-07-10 15. The Qualification to Fight (Part 2)

No Hot Springs Episode -Iz like Devastated- : (

GundamZZ

2007-06-21, 00:55

I hope they will slow down in the next episode, because there are going to be two most shocking scenes in the manga. Although I'm a big FL fan(heck I don't vote for favorite character now because other names seem boring in comparison), it's OK they don't make it to the north. I don't like producers to rush the story.Clare should stay longer in the cabin, because the event will change her life forever.oh, the one of the most shocking moment in the manga is coming. I wonder how producers are going to do it. Some audience already have complaint about the dropping quality, though I don't see it that way. If it's what some audience, maybe Madhouse is saving budget for that scene. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Millais_-_Ophelia.jpg/800px-Millais_-_Ophelia.jpg

Bikerider

2007-06-21, 01:32

This seems to be the same thing that happened when Madhouse produced the Beck anime. It started okay, got strong in the middle. Then the animation tailed off to sloppy in the final eps. I hope it doesn't go that way for this show.

NoSanninWa

2007-06-21, 01:39

Well in this case it started merely okay, because the beginning of the manga is weak. It is getting stronger because the manga is stronger.

There's no reason to assume the animation must get sloppy in the final episodes just because you've seen a single episode with cheap animation.

Insearchof

2007-06-25, 18:52

Good literary reference! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Millais_-_Ophelia.jpg/800px-Millais_-_Ophelia.jpg

I do agree I can't wait til Quicksword Ilena (she is ALIVE!) gives Clare her arm allowing Clare to make eel sushi out of an Awakened Ophelia

killer3000ad

2007-06-27, 03:44

Judging by the preview scenes for episode 14,
I daresay I expect to see Galatea kicking ass in about 2 episodes if my estimations are right. Clare vs Awakened Ophelia might see the conclusion at the end of episode 14, and then in episode 15 Clare will venture into Riful's lair and meet that hairless gorilla dude. And then, she will appear for some ELEGANT ASS-KICKERY!!.:cool::cool:

Panzerklein

2007-06-27, 10:19

After Clare left Irene, No.5 Rafaela arrive with mission is Irene's head. The fate of Irene is unknow. When face Rafaela, Irene has no arms

migs.

2007-06-27, 11:22

Enara

2007-06-30, 08:43

i hope that happens ( just hope it's not riffle) and then clare will get P,Oed and there will be big fight

ok this is a little some thing i've been tinking about what if tressa never died killed priscile and then tressa became awoken and clare becme a full claymore what do people think would happen?

silverstri

2007-06-30, 08:52

clare would also became awakened since her idol is like that

Twisted Reality

2007-06-30, 21:39

I figured this was the best place to ask this:
In volume 8, Riful tortures Claymores in order to get them to Awaken. She explains that she was gathering an army to fight the "Man in the North." However, she has Dauf crush all the Awakened Ones that are too weak.

That strikes me as a lot of wasted effort. If you're going to go to the trouble of making intractable Yoma cooperate to guard your keep, why wouldn't you also use Awakened Beings, however weak? Seems like AB's would be much better at following instructions than Yoma. They'd at least make better guards.

Am I missing something here? Do they explain this later?

Negativedark

2007-06-30, 22:01

pushpaka

2007-06-30, 23:24

She also mentioned that she had already gone through 30 awakened. My guess is that unlike Isley who was going to sacrifice his troops as soon as necissary, Riful wants hers to last a while. So rather than recruiting just anyone, she seems to have very high standerds.

Just a theory of mine...

It could be that she's trying to create a small but elite
army. They all have to eat human intestines and I imagine the Awakened Ones eat alot - so if you have a lot of weak Awakened, then that's the less food to go around especially since they're not likely to have a supply train going.

Negativedark

2007-07-01, 08:25

Yeah that's what I figuredAlso she has an intrest in the Camraderie Claymores share. So she probably doesn't want her new "friends" to get killed right of the bat.

Twisted Reality

2007-07-02, 18:05

Okay...still it's a bit weird that Riful has gone through 30 Claymores so quickly. That must be why the Organization wants her dead. That's still pretty quick, given that Clare was only missing a few days. Either that or the Organization never bothered telling her what was going on.

30 out of 72 Claymores? Ouch. Even assuming Riful set a trap, you'd think the Organization would be smarter than to just feed so many Claymores to her. Is Riful just taking advantage of the Organization's "turnover rate"? Or is she actually clever enough to capture this many?

Also, other motivations aside, I still think *any* Awakened Being is better than a dead one. As I've pointed out, they're probably much better at following orders than the Yoma guarding the keep. In addition, they're more likely to have better fighting spirit. Considering how hard Claymores are to come by, I wouldn't be too picky.

Yes, they're harder to feed, but so are a number of the Yoma that she keeps around. I'd much prefer to have a more moderate number of Awakened Beings than that many Yoma. A happy medium between "a handful of elite" and "a handful of cowardly and disobedient Yoma."

Trax

2007-07-02, 18:16

I don't think she ever said she had gone through that many claymores. The sentence was "That's what an awakened number 30 amounts to I guess" with 30 referring to the rank of Katea who was awakened after torture. And who got smashed after being deemed too weak.

Negativedark

2007-07-02, 19:02

Fenrir_valindri

2007-07-02, 19:56

In Viz's version of volume she says "Thirty awakened ones and still no luck" Implying she has gone through 30 awakened, but does not state how many were Claymores she forced to awaken, and how many had been awakened to begin with.

She says an Awakened one in the 30s is still no good in the japanese version I believe, could be a simple mistranslation onf Viz's part :D

Twisted Reality

2007-07-02, 20:48

She says an Awakened one in the 30s is still no good in the japanese version I believe, could be a simple mistranslation onf Viz's part :D

Ahh...that would actually make sense.
So for all we know, that may have been the only hunting party sent after Riful. In the very least, there couldn't have been very many parties sent yet, since the Organization would catch on pretty quick. Riful could have easily sown some misinformation concealing her Abyssal status.

Negativedark

2007-07-02, 21:00

Definetly misinformation.
Claire stated that she didn't even feel Rifuls aura until she was right next to her. Most likly Riful had Dauf stir up trouble while she waited in the shadows. And even then I figure she would have taken care to keep the org from realizing how high level an awakened Dauf was.

Negativedark

2007-07-10, 21:16

On the speculation of people who have only been watching the anime releating to Riful...BWA HA HA HA HA BWAH HA HA AH AH HA BWHA AH HA(LOOP FOR SEVERAL MINUTES.) I'm sorry if that was rude. But I just couldn't help it. It seems like their judging her by her cute looks and not what she's doing. Like the song says, "A pretty face can hide an evil mind.
Edit-I just want to mention I'm not insulting the people who belive this. I'm sure they'll change their minds after seeing the episode. It's just funny how they think Riful is this cute innocent waif, when you know the full story. Kinda like when someone says they think somebody is responsible, and you know they blow all their money at the races. It just comes across as funny. So if anyone felt like I was trying to be insulting, I'm sorry.