Claymore Manga - Japanese Version

[NoSanninWa]

Claymore

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This is the thread to discuss the Claymore manga being serialized monthly by Shueisha. The purpose of this thread is to allow discussion of the most recent chapters without interruption by English speaking fans who are talking about ancient history that you only think of nostalgically. Remember that this is still an English speaking forum. Even though you are talking about the raw manga, it is good to keep the conversation in English so that a spoiler hungry Claymore fan can learn all he wants to and understand the answers to his questions.

Until recently the discussion of Claymore manga was mixed and contained both the most recent chapters released by Shueisha and the most recent volumes released by Viz. Chaos ensues. If you want to check out the original discussion, you will find it here: Claymore - Manga Discussion Thread

Please discuss the English version released by Viz in the Claymore Manga - Viz's English Version thread.

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Update: More recently the discussion has become extensive enough that Claymore now has chapter discussion threads. Starting with chapters ES3, ES4 and chapters 74+ you are encouraged to discuss each chapter in its own thread. This thread is now for general manga discussion.

[Key Board]

SCENE 72 Fading Footprints preview

the gang learns from Audrey (Gorilla girl!) that Galatea had escaped the organization.

elsewhere, Miata and Claris are getting ready for their next mission: to locate former number 3 Galatea.

whee, irony


also keep in mind that starting SCENE74, Claymore will continue its run on Shounen Jump weekly (read: Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, and D Gray Man)

I guess that's make Clare and her gang unique since they're the only female protagonist or rather, passable as female protagonist among a sea of male heroes.

let's hope this doesn't cause any pacing problems

[Nightengale]

Eh? Chapter 72 is out?

>__>

And yay at the Weekly Jump news. Although I am mildly worried that Yagi may end up pulling a Makoto/Vinland Saga.

[zato_1one]

Preview episode 72 :p

http://mj.shueisha.co.jp/claymore/preview.html

Just a preview, it's not against the rule right?

Sigh, I can't read jap. :uhoh:

[Key Board]

Eh? Chapter 72 is out?

>__>

And yay at the Weekly Jump news. Although I am mildly worried that Yagi may end up pulling a Makoto/Vinland Saga.

could you.. explain this, sir?

[Nightengale]

Eh? Chapter 72 is out?

I thought Chapter 72 is already out based on the chapter 72 tidbits you let out. Turns out it's from the preview.

And yay at the Weekly Jump news. Although I am mildly worried that Yagi may end up pulling a Makoto/Vinland Saga.

Makoto, mangaka of PlanetES and Vinland Saga had to change his serialization of Vinland Saga elsewhere from Weekly Magazine to Afternoon due to time constraints, not being able to draw enough weekly.

If I'm not wrong, Yagi, the mangaka of Claymore had never drawn for a weekly magazine before, so I have worries that the obvious change in schedule may affect his pacing.

I hope that clarifies.

[Samanosuke]

If I'm not wrong, Yagi, the mangaka of Claymore had never drawn for a weekly magazine before, so I have worries that the obvious change in schedule may affect his pacing.

I hope that clarifies.
Well , does the fact the he switches to a weekly jump means he has to make a chapter every week ?
Well , I heard it was only temporary , so I'm not sure they will make him changes his habit because of where he publishes now .

[zato_1one]

Well , does the fact the he switches to a weekly jump means he has to make a chapter every week ?
Well , I heard it was only temporary , so I'm not sure they will make him changes his habit because of where he publishes now .

No. Claymore is still released 1 chapter/month even if it is published in weekly magazine.

[mosmos]

SCENE 72 Fading Footprints preview

the gang learns from Audrey (Gorilla girl!) that Galatea had escaped the organization.

elsewhere, Miata and Claris are getting ready for their next mission: to locate former number 3 Galatea.

whee, irony


also keep in mind that starting SCENE74, Claymore will continue its run on Shounen Jump weekly (read: Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, and D Gray Man)

I guess that's make Clare and her gang unique since they're the only female protagonist or rather, passable as female protagonist among a sea of male heroes.

let's hope this doesn't cause any pacing problems

I hope the spoiler is true. because Galatea is damned cool char !
And I wonder where is Raefela ? She is cool too.


Who knows when will Vol. 72 come out ? Is it the week after their golden week ?

[Xellos-_^]

I hope the spoiler is true. because Galatea is damned cool char !
And I wonder where is Raefela ? She is cool too.


Who knows when will Vol. 72 come out ? Is it the week after their golden week ?

iam happy galatea survive too. She was way too smart for the organization to bump her off like that. Raefela I think she is dead since she completely her goal of killing her sister but since we never saw the body she could come back. Now that i think about it we never saw her body and the organization only said that they never found someone like her to replace her. THey didn't actually come out and said she is dead :eyebrow:

Now this is getting me to think how many high power Claymore are in hiding. Teresa was a 77th generation Claymore that is a lot of Claymore and Illene and the 7 have shown that if you are careful you can hide form the Organization.:eyebrow:

[Claymore_Obsessed]

No. Claymore is still released 1 chapter/month even if it is published in weekly magazine.

You are right ^^

My hope is, as the Weekly sells a lot more than Monthly, maybe Claymore will receive a great popularity boost (not considering the anime)

[ickem]

The thing is, if they actually did decide to make it a weekly instead of a monthly, the art would get quite a bit worse. I don't think that there is any way that the author would be able to keep the same level of quality with 1/4 the time even with 1/5 to 1/3 fewer pages.

[cajunman380]

The thing is, if they actually did decide to make it a weekly instead of a monthly, the art would get quite a bit worse. I don't think that there is any way that the author would be able to keep the same level of quality with 1/4 the time even with 1/5 to 1/3 fewer pages


Actually i would slightly disagree.... weekly yes definately the art would suffer a great deal. Bi weekly though is a different story. The thing is for me its hard to judge the difficulty of the artwork. To be honest though i tend to set the bar too high for myself because i tend to compare claymore with other great works like berserk and fma. Berserk which comes out bi weekly at times has beautiful artwork and plot progression. and fma as well. Claymore is the same thing. it has some beautiful artwork (which we are seeing recently) but the plot on some arcs tend to span several chapters and considering that it takes a month for each chapter to come out, it can wreck the nerves of some people. I dunno its just one of those things to nitpick. Anyway as long as we keep on getting new releases, im happy.





woot galatea is back....well gonna be... seriously compared to other claymores she is freakin hottt...though i dread that given no two claymores can have the same ability (well i base it on past treands anyway), i fear she may get offed or one of clares groupioes....I hope not. the good guys need some ammo or else the bad guys are just gonna infinetly trample over them. Claries and no 4... thats gonna be interesting to say the least....




My hope is, as the Weekly sells a lot more than Monthly, maybe Claymore will receive a great popularity boost (not considering the anime)

Its already getting a great popularity boost. Heck raws for the latest chapters which were hard to find started showing up as soon as the anime was airing. The fact that its one of the few stories with kickass female leads also helps it greatly. lets see how it does.

[ickem]

Yeah, I know exactly how bad it is to wait for new monthly chapters...I first picked up Claymore right after the tank of volume 1 first came out. 5+ years of waiting for monthly chapters is really tries one's patience. Having it as a bi-weekly would be nice, but I'm still not sure about the quality of the artwork if that were to happen. I don't think it's fair to compare Berserk with Claymore since they're from different authors and we can't really expect Claymore's author to match Berserk's author in speed.

I'm glad that more people are getting interested in Claymore, though. It's much more interesting where there are other people to throw theories around with.

[Key Board]

Galatea's ability is actually quite unique

she can manipulate the youki of her opponent, and thus, their actions

the only other character with this ability was that awaken in the north campaign

[Grey]

Galatea's ability is actually quite unique

she can manipulate the youki of her opponent, and thus, their actions

the only other character with this ability was that awaken in the north campaignAhaha, yeah, I remember being blown away when I saw her use that technique. I don't really understand japanese, so when I realized she was manipulating that Awakened One's movements in the raw I was blown away. At first I thought she was just stronger, faster, and superior to Clare at predicting movement by reading the flow of yoma power.

Miata is strange though. I have to wonder what the true goal of the Organization is, when they have such unstable Claymores. Aren't they just asking for Claymores to kill humans and/or turn into Awakened Ones by letting such crazy Claymores live? It makes no sense.

[Samanosuke]

have to wonder what the true goal of the Organization is, when they have such unstable Claymores. Aren't they just asking for Claymores to kill humans and/or turn into Awakened Ones by letting such crazy Claymores live? It makes no sense.

I think that like Teresa once suggested it back then , they make Youma , send them to kill people in town so that the towns pay them to send claymores .
It's a nice way of making money ...and soon they will want to wage wars by selling powerful awaken ones to country leaders , a thus make even more money and soon they'll control the world .
oh wait...I think i heard that plot somewhere before...but ..where ? :P

[Grey]

I think that like Teresa once suggested it back then , they make Youma , send them to kill people in town so that the towns pay them to send claymores .
It's a nice way of making money ...and soon they will want to wage wars by selling powerful awaken ones to country leaders , a thus make even more money and soon they'll control the world .
oh wait...I think i heard that plot somewhere before...but ..where ? :PThat...makes a lot of sense actually. Ever since Clare, Denev, Helen, and Miria's first encounter with the Awakened One, I began thinking that the Organization was not just a special group of guards/hunters. I may have thought the organization was selfish and sneaky, but not that it was behind the yoma existence completely.

Very interesting.... I've always wondered how yoma came to exist--maybe they're humans mutated by the Organization. And the entire Yoma/Claymore/Awakened One situation is just one big experiment to them.

That's freaky, but could explain a lot. Heck, the situation might eventually become: renegade Claymores and Awakened Ones versus the Organization's Claymores (and Awakened Ones?).

Veeery interesting.

[Negativedark]

I came up with a theory about Maita. So she's supposed to have the potentail to become stronger than Alicia right? Well the thing that makes Alicia so very powerful is that she can be turned into a controlable awakened, and then back. She does this by having Beth take care of her mind right? Well my theory is that Maita is an attempt to refine this system. She seems to have some serous mental issues. So what if one of thoese issues is multiple personalities. She could be like the Hulk. Normal Claymore form with one persoanity, but an awakened with the other. Well right now it's just a theory. I'll have to wait and see If I was anywhere near the mark.

[Seska]

I think that like Teresa once suggested it back then , they make Youma , send them to kill people in town so that the towns pay them to send claymores .
It's a nice way of making money ...and soon they will want to wage wars by selling powerful awaken ones to country leaders , a thus make even more money and soon they'll control the world .
oh wait...I think i heard that plot somewhere before...but ..where ? :P


Naruto, the High Level Ninjas, that wanna the Kubukis or so... Saskues brother is member of them... (Manga)

[Seska]

I came up with a theory about Maita. So she's supposed to have the potentail to become stronger than Alicia right? Well the thing that makes Alicia so very powerful is that she can be turned into a controlable awakened, and then back. She does this by having Beth take care of her mind right? Well my theory is that Maita is an attempt to refine this system. She seems to have some serous mental issues. So what if one of thoese issues is multiple personalities. She could be like the Hulk. Normal Claymore form with one persoanity, but an awakened with the other. Well right now it's just a theory. I'll have to wait and see If I was anywhere near the mark.

When Alice is in her Awakend form, kill Beth. Cause Beth in this time is in a Trance like status (I've read it somewhere, but forgot where)

And Alice is not so powerful as Priscilla.

[mosmos]

For all I know, Miata would do anything for milk. An awaken goes for guts. this one go for milk.

I think Helen has copied the arm twisting method from Jean. She demo after Clare and Miria's fight (I think she can easily accomplish that with her "Ruffy'' arm ability and 7 years of training seclusion)
Helen is an interesting char because she is the passionate type and thus adds more dimension to the standard doll faces world of claymores.
I hope Helen do not get killed off or the group would be all expression-less doll face.

Miria = Ability like "Shunpo" from bleach
Helen = Ruffy from One Piece.
Deneve = Clare from heroes
Clare = Zoro who never gives up!

[Xellos-_^]

For all I know, Miata would do anything for milk. An awaken goes for guts. this one go for milk.

fresh milf is good for the body :heh:

[Sazelyt]

If it is allowed, I would be glad if anyone can point me towards some sites that have extended summaries of the untranslated volumes. Or, if it is possible, you can even post them here under spoiler tags. Information on wiki (based on character information) is not sufficient to understand in detail what is going on in these raw volumes.

[Claymore_Obsessed]

try looking in the old manga thread^^
someone (praise on him/her ^^) had posted really detailed summaries of the latest chapters.

[LCeh]

To be honest, right now I am most interested in what happened to Priscilla over the past years, how she met Easley, what happened to their fight, and how she lost her memory and changed her hair color back to original as well. I hope we get to see Priscilla soon.

But Galatea making a comeback is really cool too. I am glad such a cool character like her isn't just going to left unmentioned.

[Key Board]

the current Milia team is like this:

fantastic four:
Milia: "True Phantom" : even faster than regular Phantom
Clare: "Wind Cutter" : a move she learned from the late Flora.
Helen: she has learned Jean's drill sword technique
Deneb: regenerative fighter. dual wielding Claymore

In addition to that, these girls seem to have acquired superb mastery of stealth. They do not give out any trace of aura even when fighting. Yes, Milia really can Phantom around without showing up on radar, for instance.

new faces:
Cynthia: former number 14. A defensive type fighter.
Tabatha: former number 30 eye of the group. EWAC girl
Yuma: former number 40. she sucks.... but her luck must be above average

[LCeh]

It's interesting to note that when we first saw Claris, she was sent to fight an awakener despite her being very very weak, just like how the no. 47 Clare was sent to fight her first awakener despite not having much of a hope for her, but even then, part of the reason Clare was sent was because she wanted to go fight an awakener herself. I wonder why the organization sent a girl seemingly as weak as Claris on an almost suicide-like mission.

[Key Board]

Claris seems like an experimental project to me

she's barely a claymore

maybe they heard about Clare from Galatea and are trying to make another?

[Samanosuke]

Claris - Clare , the name is actually too similar to be a pure coincidence .
hum smells like a plot .

[ickem]

Yuma is wondering if Clare and the others are alright, but Tabatha is unable to tell since the youki of the warriors they rescued disappeared. Clare and the others return and apologize for being so late since they each went in different directions to make sure Riful wouldn't be able to find where Yuma and the others were waiting. Audrey wakes up and asks who they are, but Miria says that they have no intention of answering any questions. Miria then asks what the organization of the present warriors is like, especially the names of present numbers 1 to 5, but Audrey refuses to answer. Miria then says that since Audrey's a upper tier number, Miria doesn't think that she (Audrey) will just ignore the debt she owes Miria and the others for being saved from Riful. Miria accepts that Audrey won't give her any names so just asks if Alicia has been completed. Audrey doesn't answer, but is surprised so Miria says that seeing her expression is enough and prepares to leave. Helen asks what she means about Alicia being complete and Miria tells them that Alicia is who Riful was talking about when she mentioned that the organization created a warrior to fight the Shinen no Mono. She continues by saying that it seems they used her twin Beth to complete Alicia. Helen asks some more question about Beth, but Miria doesn't say anything. Clare then asks Audrey if number 3 Galatea is still alive and she answers that she is number 3. Clare tells her thanks and prepares to leave, but Audrey says that Galatea's probably still alive since she deserted from the organization seven years ago. There was no one able to hunt her down since Alicia is unstable and Rafaela died in the south during the Shinen no Mono fight. No one was able to get close to her since the range of her youki sense was so great. The organization is still in a frenzy about finding her, but it's probably useless since her youki has probably totally disappeared just like Clare and the others. Audrey then says that though her info isn't really enough to cover what Clare and the others did for her, she'll consider the debt cleared and the next time they meet, she'll turn her sword on them　without hesitation. Clare says that its enough and that Audrey has her gratitude. They leave and Rachel wakes up asks why they're still alive and Audrey tells her to sleep some more since her injury was the most serious. She then says they were saved, but Rachel asks by whom. Audrey replies that it was by the same ghosts of the warriors who died seven years ago that Rachel talked about earlier. Elsewhere Claris is running away from an awakened one and gets knocked down. She wonders why it seems like her ability to read youki is being restricted. She's about to get trashed when Miata comes and makes short work of the awakened one and continues to cut at the corpse until Claris gets her to stop. Their mission is to take Galatea's head.

From Claris' comment I wonder if Galatea can now interfere with other people's ability to sense youki. I guess it would be a logical progression of her powers. As for Galatea, I knew that she wouldn't just let the organization send her to her death since what was said about Miria not being the type to follow the organization's order to die also applied to her.

On another note, I'm thinking that Miria's big secret was the fact that Alicia was being created.

[dutchman]

Yuma is wondering if Clare and the others are alright, but Tabatha is unable to tell since the youki of the warriors they rescued disappeared. Clare and the others return and apologize for being so late since they each went in different directions to make sure Riful wouldn't be able to find where Yuma and the others were waiting. Audrey wakes up and asks who they are, but Miria says that they have no intention of answering any questions. Miria then asks what the organization of the present warriors is like, especially the names of present numbers 1 to 5, but Audrey refuses to answer. Miria then says that since Audrey's a upper tier number, Miria doesn't think that she (Audrey) will just ignore the debt she owes Miria and the others for being saved from Riful. Miria accepts that Audrey won't give her any names so just asks if Alicia has been completed. Audrey doesn't answer, but is surprised so Miria says that seeing her expression is enough and prepares to leave. Helen asks what she means about Alicia being complete and Miria tells them that Alicia is who Riful was talking about when she mentioned that the organization created a warrior to fight the Shinen no Mono. She continues by saying that it seems they used her twin Beth to complete Alicia. Helen asks some more question about Beth, but Miria doesn't say anything. Clare then asks Audrey if number 3 Galatea is still alive and she answers that she is number 3. Clare tells her thanks and prepares to leave, but Audrey says that Galatea's probably still alive since she deserted from the organization seven years ago. There was no one able to hunt her down since Alicia is unstable and Rafaela died in the south during the Shinen no Mono fight. No one was able to get close to her since the range of her youki sense was so great. The organization has sent their "Bloody Eye" after her, but it's probably useless since her youki has probably totally disappeared just like Clare and the others. Audrey then says that though her info isn't really enough to cover what Clare and the others did for her, she'll consider the debt cleared and the next time they meet, she'll turn her sword on them. Clare says that its enough and that Audrey has her gratitude. They leave and Rachel wakes up asks why they're still alive and Audrey tells her to sleep some more since her injury was the most serious. She then says they were saved, but Rachel asks by whom. Audrey replies that it was by the same ghosts of the warriors who died seven years ago that Rachel talked about earlier. Elsewhere Claris is running away from an awakened one and gets knocked down. She wonders why it seems like her ability to read youki is being restricted. She's about to get trashed when Miata comes and makes short work of the awakened one and continues to cut at the corpse until Claris gets her to stop. Their mission is to take Galatea's head.

From what Claris said, I guess she is the new eye or something. Otherwise it's kind of odd that they would send her on such a mission since she is so weak. I guess it can also be that she is better at dealing with someone like Miata or something. As for Galatea, I knew that she wouldn't just let the organization send her to her death since what was said about Miria not being the type to follow the organization's order to die also applied to her.

On another note, it seems that Miria's big secret was the fact that Alicia was being created.

Thanks a lot Ickem for the excellent summary :) I guess it will be a while before the anime reaches this point.

I am also glad that 3 other 'lesser' claymores survived they will probably play a role in future chapters cause this manga artist appears to do never anything without a reason.

[flick]

Thanks for this thread ;) I'm glad to hear Galatea is making a come back (easily one of coolest characters :D) but had to laugh when Miria's ability was described as 'shunpo' from Bleach... how fitting ^^

I haven't actually ever had to wait for a manga before (usually read it when it's complete) but this is the first time I've been so gripped by an on-going release that I'm almost willing to wait, even if it is a bit painful :)

[zato_1one]

Thanks for the summary! Galatea is also my favorite Claymore. I hope she can survive and join force with Clare. My speculate is that Clare will pair with Galatea just like Alicia and Beth.

With Galatea help, I think Clare can re-awaken her limbs again and can comeback to normal. :D

[mosmos]

Yuma is wondering if Clare and the others are alright, but Tabatha is unable to tell since the youki of the warriors they rescued disappeared. Clare and the others return and apologize for being so late since they each went in different directions to make sure Riful wouldn't be able to find where Yuma and the others were waiting. Audrey wakes up and asks who they are, but Miria says that they have no intention of answering any questions. Miria then asks what the organization of the present warriors is like, especially the names of present numbers 1 to 5, but Audrey refuses to answer. Miria then says that since Audrey's a upper tier number, Miria doesn't think that she (Audrey) will just ignore the debt she owes Miria and the others for being saved from Riful. Miria accepts that Audrey won't give her any names so just asks if Alicia has been completed. Audrey doesn't answer, but is surprised so Miria says that seeing her expression is enough and prepares to leave. Helen asks what she means about Alicia being complete and Miria tells them that Alicia is who Riful was talking about when she mentioned that the organization created a warrior to fight the Shinen no Mono. She continues by saying that it seems they used her twin Beth to complete Alicia. Helen asks some more question about Beth, but Miria doesn't say anything. Clare then asks Audrey if number 3 Galatea is still alive and she answers that she is number 3. Clare tells her thanks and prepares to leave, but Audrey says that Galatea's probably still alive since she deserted from the organization seven years ago. There was no one able to hunt her down since Alicia is unstable and Rafaela died in the south during the Shinen no Mono fight. No one was able to get close to her since the range of her youki sense was so great. The organization is still in a frenzy about finding her, but it's probably useless since her youki has probably totally disappeared just like Clare and the others. Audrey then says that though her info isn't really enough to cover what Clare and the others did for her, she'll consider the debt cleared and the next time they meet, she'll turn her sword on them　without hesitation. Clare says that its enough and that Audrey has her gratitude. They leave and Rachel wakes up asks why they're still alive and Audrey tells her to sleep some more since her injury was the most serious. She then says they were saved, but Rachel asks by whom. Audrey replies that it was by the same ghosts of the warriors who died seven years ago that Rachel talked about earlier. Elsewhere Claris is running away from an awakened one and gets knocked down. She wonders why it seems like her ability to read youki is being restricted. She's about to get trashed when Miata comes and makes short work of the awakened one and continues to cut at the corpse until Claris gets her to stop. Their mission is to take Galatea's head.

From Claris' comment I wonder if Galatea can now interfere with other people's ability to sense youki. I guess it would be a logical progression of her powers. As for Galatea, I knew that she wouldn't just let the organization send her to her death since what was said about Miria not being the type to follow the organization's order to die also applied to her.

On another note, I'm thinking that Miria's big secret was the fact that Alicia was being created.


Thank you ickem!! :)
But where ? and how did you get 72 ?
Its Japan golden week this week. They are on holiday.

After this episode, i noticed that the younger one becomes a claymore, the more powerful she is.
Think.. Ritful, Priscilla and now this fresh milk hungry Miata.
Seeing this trend, i predict Miata is going to awaken too. Yeah !

[Xellos-_^]

Yuma is wondering if Clare and the others are alright, but Tabatha is unable to tell since the youki of the warriors they rescued disappeared. Clare and the others return and apologize for being so late since they each went in different directions to make sure Riful wouldn't be able to find where Yuma and the others were waiting. Audrey wakes up and asks who they are, but Miria says that they have no intention of answering any questions. Miria then asks what the organization of the present warriors is like, especially the names of present numbers 1 to 5, but Audrey refuses to answer. Miria then says that since Audrey's a upper tier number, Miria doesn't think that she (Audrey) will just ignore the debt she owes Miria and the others for being saved from Riful. Miria accepts that Audrey won't give her any names so just asks if Alicia has been completed. Audrey doesn't answer, but is surprised so Miria says that seeing her expression is enough and prepares to leave. Helen asks what she means about Alicia being complete and Miria tells them that Alicia is who Riful was talking about when she mentioned that the organization created a warrior to fight the Shinen no Mono. She continues by saying that it seems they used her twin Beth to complete Alicia. Helen asks some more question about Beth, but Miria doesn't say anything. Clare then asks Audrey if number 3 Galatea is still alive and she answers that she is number 3. Clare tells her thanks and prepares to leave, but Audrey says that Galatea's probably still alive since she deserted from the organization seven years ago. There was no one able to hunt her down since Alicia is unstable and Rafaela died in the south during the Shinen no Mono fight. No one was able to get close to her since the range of her youki sense was so great. The organization is still in a frenzy about finding her, but it's probably useless since her youki has probably totally disappeared just like Clare and the others. Audrey then says that though her info isn't really enough to cover what Clare and the others did for her, she'll consider the debt cleared and the next time they meet, she'll turn her sword on them　without hesitation. Clare says that its enough and that Audrey has her gratitude. They leave and Rachel wakes up asks why they're still alive and Audrey tells her to sleep some more since her injury was the most serious. She then says they were saved, but Rachel asks by whom. Audrey replies that it was by the same ghosts of the warriors who died seven years ago that Rachel talked about earlier. Elsewhere Claris is running away from an awakened one and gets knocked down. She wonders why it seems like her ability to read youki is being restricted. She's about to get trashed when Miata comes and makes short work of the awakened one and continues to cut at the corpse until Claris gets her to stop. Their mission is to take Galatea's head.

From Claris' comment I wonder if Galatea can now interfere with other people's ability to sense youki. I guess it would be a logical progression of her powers. As for Galatea, I knew that she wouldn't just let the organization send her to her death since what was said about Miria not being the type to follow the organization's order to die also applied to her.

On another note, I'm thinking that Miria's big secret was the fact that Alicia was being created.


Good to see Galatea is in the land of the living but ti does look like rafella is dead. We didn't see the body but the organization is certainly treating her as she is dead. I was hoping she would play a bigger role.

Now the question is how is Miata and Claris tracking Galatea? She is easliy the best of any current Claymore is sensing Yoma energy and can sense any nearby Claymore before they even come within a mile of her, not mention she can even damping thee yoma sense of other claymores. She has also figure how shut off her own powers and keep it form detection. If Illene could hide for 10+ years I think Galatea could hide even longer.

[ickem]

Thank you ickem!! :)
But where ? and how did you get 72 ?
Its Japan golden week this week. They are on holiday.

After this episode, i noticed that the younger one becomes a claymore, the more powerful she is.
Think.. Ritful (she is so cute), Priscilla and now this fresh milk hungry Miata.
Seeing this trend, i predict Miata is going to awaken too. Yeah !


As for the youth and power thing, it's pretty logical since the organization likely promotes the trainees to full warrior status when they are powerful enough or when there are large holes to be filled. So young girls that are full warriors will always be very powerful since they were good enough to be promoted to full status.

Yep, no one is gonna be able to find Galatea if she doesn't want them to find her unless Miata is as good as Rafaela or Teresa, which I doubt. I'm pretty sure she'll team up with our favorite Claymore deserters for some payback, though.

[Xellos-_^]

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to say, but I got it off one of the Japanese p2p's. The chapter's been torrented at ******* now.



You probably want to edit out the site you can find raws at. Mention sites and/or providing links to said sites are against the rules. Saying that you got the raw form japanese p2p sites is not unless you mention the name or provided a link to it.

[ickem]

You probably want to edit out the site you can find raws at. Mention sites and/or providing links to said sites are against the rules. Saying that you got the raw form japanese p2p sites is not unless you mention the name or provided a link to it.

Thanks for the heads up.

All these color layouts seem to be cutting into the length of the chapters...I guess things are pretty hectic now that the anime is out and with the switch to weekly jump, but it's still annoying that we have to wait another month after this short chapter.

[Xellos-_^]

Just read c72, looks like Miata still wants more milf :D but she is powerful. if the organization isn't careful they will make Miata the next priscilla.

[liujeffqi]

ya c72 is pretty good, also glad Galatea is still alive.

[Seska]

Dam it , i have a hole of chapter 70-71 now...

[ickem]

Dam it , i have a hole of chapter 70-71 now...

If you mean you are don't know what happens in those chapters you can check the original manga discussion page near the bottom of the Claymore forum. There are chapter summaries for it in there.

The best part of chapter 70 is when Audrey pisses her pants as Riful is about to tentacle rape her and Riful says, "ewww, don't make my body dirty":D . Riful's acting is pretty funny too since it's so over the top, sort of like "Oh no! Please, if you hit me with one more attack, I'll..." And when that second attack failed she says "Please, if you with hit me with an attack as powerful as the one you used earlier, I'll..." And after that fails, she lectures them on how that kind of attack is pretty useless once they lost the element of surprise and something like "You do have something else that may be powerful enough to beat me in one hit. What? Don't tell me you're don't have anything else." When coupled with her facial expressions, it really makes them appear really weak.

Here's my summary for 71 though

The chapter is almost entirely talking. Riful finally remembers who Clare was and asks what happened to the other two. She's a little disappointed to hear of their fates since she was really interested in them, especially Galatea. The thing that Clare want to ask is about what happened with the awakened beings 7 years ago. Riful says she'll tell her if Clare becomes her comrade and Clare relies that she'll think about it. Riful really wants someone who can read youma energy really well so as long as Clare becomes her comrade, she'll let the other Claymores in the vicinity go. She also reminds her of what she said before, that the biggest shortcut to her revenge is to become Riful's comrade. Riful then tells her that Easrey, or however you're supposed to spell his name, split his forces to the east and west and went south himself. Both groups were simply throwaway pawns and were easily destroyed. Clare understands how the group in the west was so easily destroyed because of Riful, but is shocked that the organization was able to destroy the other group. Riful replies by saying that the organization hasn't been idle either and created a warrior capable of fighting the Shinen no Mono(no idea how to translate this into something that doesn't sound lame, something like Beings of Despair or something). In other words they've created a new Shinen no Mono so there was no imbalance of power even with the death of Rushiela. Clare then asks whether Rufil thought about going for Easrey when he fought Rushiela. Riful says that of course she went since with Easrey fighting another Shinen no Mono, even though he won, he was still close to death. Riful was basically feeling really good about the situation until she met "that." When she went to see Easrey Priscilla was there and Easrey told her that it's too late to do anything. He told her that no matter how strong an awakened being she gathers and no matter how strong a warrior the oranization created it was already too late, no one can kill Priscilla. Riful got really angry and told Duf they were leaving and Duf said why since she could take Easrey pretty easily then. Riful's words were "You've got to be kidding, that woman is much, much stronger than us." Easrey created the story about how he deafed her. He became her general when he realized that he couldn't beat her. The only way that anyone had a chance of beating her was if a power greater than the Shinen no Mono arose, in other words if Riful and Rushiela used all their power to try to beat her. So he though up this plan to destroy that very small chance before anyone realized Priscilla's power. He knew that Riful couldn't work together with the organization so he went after Rushiela. Now it seems that he really fallen for Priscilla. Things have now calmed down since no one has a chance of defeating Priscilla, but they have the power to easily take all the other lands. Clare asks why Riful wants her as a comrade when compared to her, Easrey and Priscilla, she is really weak and Riful tells her that she found has something really interesting. That's why she wants someone who can read youma energy well, in other words she wants someone with even the slightest chance of controlling that youma energy. Clare tells her that she's been thinking about whether to become Riful's comrade all the time they've been talking and says it's impossible. She tells Riful that even though she isn't strong enough to beat her, she can still get away. Anyways, she runs off and Riful is really mad and tells her that payback's a bitch.

[Seska]

No no, i know of the summary's here, but i don't have the "raw pictures". if you understand now :)

[mosmos]

Just found chapter 72 from a Chinese site.
If anybody wants raw and understand Chinese, just google "claymore 72" and you can find it in no time.


It seems that the ppl there are really into Claymore.
Miss Galatia is very popular char there. Just check out their polls.


If you mean you are don't know what happens in those chapters you can check the original manga discussion page near the bottom of the Claymore forum. There are chapter summaries for it in there.

The best part of chapter 70 is when Audrey pisses her pants as Riful is about to tentacle rape her and Riful says, "ewww, don't make my body dirty":D . Riful's acting is pretty funny too since it's so over the top, sort of like "Oh no! Please, if you hit me with one more attack, I'll..." And when that second attack failed she says "Please, if you with hit me with an attack as powerful as the one you used earlier, I'll..." And after that fails, she lectures them on how that kind of attack is pretty useless once they lost the element of surprise and something like "You do have something else that may be powerful enough to beat me in one hit. What? Don't tell me you're don't have anything else." When coupled with her facial expressions, it really makes them appear really weak.



Thank you ickem for pointing that out, hehe... Ritful is mischevious and she said found something interesting/useful, I wonder what is that?
& Thank you for the summaries.

[zato_1one]

Audrey pisses her pants? Back checking chapter70 again. LOL. She really done it!

That was a shame for number 3. :frustrated:

Galatea should punish her and taught her how to be truly elegant. :mad:

[dee32]

Claris seems like an experimental project to me

she's barely a claymore:

maybe they heard about Clare from Galatea and are trying to make another?


This is my theory on Claris. That the organization wanted to explore the mysterious abilities Clare displayed further. Since they though Clare was dead, along with the other claymores they sent to the north. So they took a piece of Clare's flesh and blood they had and created Claris. So this would make Claris 1/8 yoma instead of the 1/4 yoma that Clare is. I also think Claris is some type of claymore created for covert operations. Remember when Clare was sent on a mission to the holy city of Rabona. Clare had to take those pills to dampen her powers so she could pass for a regular human girl. If Claris was a claymore then it would have been more practical to send her instead of Clare. By sending Claris you have a claymore with all her powers available and some one who wouldn't arouse the humans of her presense. My only thing is can she cloak her pressense from yoma?:eyebrow:

[Xellos-_^]

This is my theory on Claris. That the organization wanted to explore the mysterious abilities Clare displayed further. Since they though Clare was dead, along with the other claymores they sent to the north. So they took a piece of Clare's flesh and blood they had and created Claris. So this would make Claris 1/8 yoma instead of the 1/4 yoma that Clare is. I also think Claris is some type of claymore created for covert operations. Remember when Clare was sent on a mission to the holy city of Rabona. Clare had to take those pills to dampen her powers so she could pass for a regular human girl. If Claris was a claymore then it would have been more practical to send her instead of Clare. By sending Claris you have a claymore with all her powers available and some one who wouldn't arouse the humans of her presense. My only thing is can she cloak her pressense from yoma?:eyebrow:

Considering how long it takes to train a Claymore. Claris was already in the queue when Clare was sent North. You could be right that she is experimental subject base on Clare but the experiment would have to have started before Clare was sent north.

[ickem]

This is my theory on Claris. That the organization wanted to explore the mysterious abilities Clare displayed further. Since they though Clare was dead, along with the other claymores they sent to the north. So they took a piece of Clare's flesh and blood they had and created Claris. So this would make Claris 1/8 yoma instead of the 1/4 yoma that Clare is. I also think Claris is some type of claymore created for covert operations. Remember when Clare was sent on a mission to the holy city of Rabona. Clare had to take those pills to dampen her powers so she could pass for a regular human girl. If Claris was a claymore then it would have been more practical to send her instead of Clare. By sending Claris you have a claymore with all her powers available and some one who wouldn't arouse the humans of her presense. My only thing is can she cloak her pressense from yoma?:eyebrow:


From the comments of the awakened ones who fought Nina and the others, though, it seems that warriors that retain some of their hair color have existed since the beginning. Also, from the conversation between Miria and the others, trainees that retain their hair color aren't all that uncommon, it's probably that they are just too weak to be promoted to full warrior status. I think Claris is just a character made to question the existence of Claymores within the organization. She has been already been shown to actually think about what they are.

[Ch1kane]

Just found chapter 72 from a Chinese site.
If anybody wants raw and understand Chinese, just google "claymore 72" and you can find it in no time.


It seems that the ppl there are really into Claymore.
Miss Galatia is very popular char there. Just check out their polls.




Thank you ickem for pointing that out, hehe... Ritful is mischevious and she said found something interesting/useful, I wonder what is that?
& Thank you for the summaries.

mind posting the results? pretty interested :D

[Xellos-_^]

Just finish vol9 of the scan.

In vol9 Riful mention that Priscilla had left one little girl alive furing her rampage in the north.

Could this girl be Clarisa?

[LCeh]

Just finish vol9 of the scan.

In vol9 Riful mention that Priscilla had left one little girl alive furing her rampage in the north.

Could this girl be Clarisa?

Actually, from what I understood, Priscilla left all the little girls alive, because she couldn't see them, but I am not too sure why she couldn't see them.

[Negativedark]

Just finish vol9 of the scan.

In vol9 Riful mention that Priscilla had left one little girl alive furing her rampage in the north.

Could this girl be Clarisa?

Or maybe Ophelia.

[ickem]

Just found chapter 72 from a Chinese site.
If anybody wants raw and understand Chinese, just google "claymore 72" and you can find it in no time.


It seems that the ppl there are really into Claymore.
Miss Galatia is very popular char there. Just check out their polls.




Thank you ickem for pointing that out, hehe... Ritful is mischevious and she said found something interesting/useful, I wonder what is that?
& Thank you for the summaries.

My theory is that she found Rushiella's body or Rafaela's body. That's the only reason I can think of for her to want someone that can control youki.


As for Priscilla, she can't see any young girls. They just don't seem to register in her brain, as evidenced by her ignoring of Clare right after she awakened.

[LCeh]

As for Priscilla, she can't see any young girls. They just don't seem to register in her brain, as evidenced by her ignoring of Clare right after she awakened.

Any speculation on why that is so? I would think it must have something to do with her tragic past.

[Grey]

Or maybe Ophelia.Ah, good idea! I agree, Ophelia is a reasonable possibility. I think Clare might be possible too. Clare may have been wandering around with Teresa's head for a while, and it's possible some rumor got around about her situation.

Of course, like someone else said, the young girl could be someone completely unknown. If Priscilla on her rampage couldn't see any young girls, then I wouldn't be surprised if many young girls survived.

Any speculation on why that is so? I would think it must have something to do with her tragic past.Well, I don't think there are any actual psychological phenomena that can cause this. But...I have two ideas.

Possibility (1): Part of Priscilla's mind associates young girls with her own past as a young girl whose life was ruined by Yoma. Refusing to harm the young girls is because part of her refuses to harm people like herself.

Counter-point to (1): Apparently, she kills everyone else, so that means she kills the young girls' families. If she really didn't want to harm young girls because they reminded her of her own suffering, then she'd leave their families alive too.

Therefore, Possibility (2): Part of Priscilla wants these young girls to become Claymore. Perhaps there's still a small part of her--the part that hated yoma and what they did to her--that hates the fact that she is an Awakened One. And so she leaves young girls alive in the hopes that they will become Claymore and kill her.

Both of these ideas seem like possible explanations, and the counter-point to (1) doesn't seem strong enough to reject (1) altogether.

[Samanosuke]

I'm just wondering ...
How come the Clare lost it (somehow...and begged to be killed ) when she awoken the last time ?
What i mean is , the "three Persons of the Abyss" and their underlings clearly are sane .
My point is , I don't understand why they all fear to completely awake . Is it because they will want to eat humans ?

[Key Board]

once someone completely awakens their human side dies and instinct takes over

however, since the body is shared, the demon side also inherits the memory and personality and thus, will have some effect

Judging from what happened to Pris and Lucera I would say that someone would go on a rampage for several months before mellowing down. What happens afterwards depends on memories and the subconscious drive of the awakened

it also seems to imply that once someone has awakened they have reached a dead end in their progress (ie: they can't get that much more stronger)

but yes, I guess it would be interesting to see what happens if Clare fully awakens. Perhaps it would probably turn into somewhat a vampire manga.. for the better or worse, I don't know

[dutchman]

I'm just wondering ...
How come the Clare lost it (somehow...and begged to be killed ) when she awoken the last time ?
What i mean is , the "three Persons of the Abyss" and their underlings clearly are sane .
My point is , I don't understand why they all fear to completely awake . Is it because they will want to eat humans ?

An FULLY awakened being basically considers itself as a ‘new’ species (this is what Riful told Jean in vol. 8).

And just like humans eat cattle an awakened being considers itself different enough from humans to treat them without any qualms as food.

It appears that after a FULL awakening their whole mindset is drastically altered due to their dominant Yoma mind. And almost nothing human will remain (except memories as I recall right) so that’s why the Persons/Lords of the Abyss are clearly sane they just don’t see regular humans as persons anymore just… food.

Therefore all claymores still sane of mind would rather die as a human given the chance. They all remember that they were once fully human before being altered by the organisation. And don’t want to end their existence being reborn as a monster who feasts on human guts.

In that light I don't think it is strange/unexpected that Clare ‘lost’ it and begged to be killed by Helen who she considers to be one of her friends.

Its not the fear of awakening, its the fear/despair knowing what she would become that made Clare eager to die.

I hope this explains it a bit if not their are probably lots of other plp who can provide more sensible theories:heh:

[Samanosuke]

thanks for answering .
well , with what you just told me....it translate in my brain :
A claymore is basically someone with two entities in the body . One human and one Monster . The human will borrow powers from the monster to help slay the evil monsters .
What comes in my mind is : BLEACH !!! .
but joke aside , that brings me to wonder why Riful and whatsherface haven't fed on Riku yet...or...is it that his existence is so pitiful that they just don't see him as food , not even as a snack . Then why ...let him stick with them ? .
or is it that they plan on making him one of them.
In the end , a Awoken one sees human as food , but just like we see cow/chicken/cats&dogs (for some ) as food , some see them also as...pet.
Perhaps...that's what.Riku is to them....a pet .
But there also the fact that we don't feed when we see food.
Perhaps Yoma are actually even...hum..better then humans..in...some sort of way :S.
I think that what i'm trying to say is...I'd be a claymore , i know i would have awoken like..right away . Screw being human !

[Defiled one]

Awakened when awake, gets literaly drunk in a sense. They have to eat, they go in a frenzy without thinking and some don`t even realize they are awakened until they eat, human bowls.

When awakened, they can have normal life and stuff but...they will have to feed on humans, even if it´s a rare thing, they will have to feed.
But they won´t go frenzy like vampires, I think it´s just the first time, like puberty.

Awakened have a lonely life, they don´t want trouble nor they hate humans, but they need to feed. It´s very hard for a person to be unable to socialize.

Death is better than a miserable life don`t you think? Who, in their right mind, would be with one?
And since awakened don`t have a way to turn humans in to "whatever" they are. So, it´s not rare to see Awakened, at least those who are alone, pretend to be humans or ambush a Claymore in order to awaken it forcibly.


Clare is different because her body was, twisted. Riful knows what she is and will do everything to make her train hard in order to become strong and then, awaken her.

My theory of course.

[LCeh]

Well, I don't think there are any actual psychological phenomena that can cause this. But...I have two ideas.

Possibility (1): Part of Priscilla's mind associates young girls with her own past as a young girl whose life was ruined by Yoma. Refusing to harm the young girls is because part of her refuses to harm people like herself.

Counter-point to (1): Apparently, she kills everyone else, so that means she kills the young girls' families. If she really didn't want to harm young girls because they reminded her of her own suffering, then she'd leave their families alive too.

Therefore, Possibility (2): Part of Priscilla wants these young girls to become Claymore. Perhaps there's still a small part of her--the part that hated yoma and what they did to her--that hates the fact that she is an Awakened One. And so she leaves young girls alive in the hopes that they will become Claymore and kill her.

Both of these ideas seem like possible explanations, and the counter-point to (1) doesn't seem strong enough to reject (1) altogether.

I am not too sure though. Her mind doesn't even register young girls at all, I don't think these would explain it, because if these explanations were true, she would have to first see them, but apparently she doesn't even see them.

Anyway, chapter 72, at the end, Claris said they have finished the mission of hunting for Galatea after killing the awakened being. Any thoughts?

[Xellos-_^]

Awakened when awake, gets literaly drunk in a sense. They have to eat, they go in a frenzy without thinking and some don`t even realize they are awakened until they eat, human bowls.

When awakened, they can have normal life and stuff but...they will have to feed on humans, even if it´s a rare thing, they will have to feed.
But they won´t go frenzy like vampires, I think it´s just the first time, like puberty.

Awakened have a lonely life, they don´t want trouble nor they hate humans, but they need to feed. It´s very hard for a person to be unable to socialize.

Death is better than a miserable life don`t you think? Who, in their right mind, would be with one?

I wouldn't go that far, Riful and the other Awakens we see does seem to have accepted being what they are now.

And since awakened don`t have a way to turn humans in to "whatever" they are. So, it´s not rare to see Awakened, at least those who are alone, pretend to be humans or ambush a Claymore in order to awaken it forcibly.Only reason Riful is trying awaken Claymores is because she needs Allies. She isn't doing it because she is lonely. But I do agree Riful is a lonely little girl :heh: that is why she rescue Daf even through he isn't miuch of a boy friend, he is still better then nothing.


Clare is different because her body was, twisted. I would different rather twisted.

Riful knows what she is I don't think Riful knows ny more about Clare then we do at this point. Even the organization probably doesn't much about Clare.

Anyway, chapter 72, at the end, Claris said they have finished the mission of hunting for Galatea after killing the awakened being. Any thoughts?

I am not entirely sure but i doubt the author would kill off Galatea only just finish telling the audience that Galatea defected 7 yrs ago and no one has been able find her since. I am not saying the author isn't willing to kill galatea off but i doubt he would do it would any fanfare.

Claris might be under the impression that the awaken being Miata just kill is Galatea but i doubt it considering how powerful galatea ws. She would be much more powerful in her awaken state then the awaken that was just killed.

[Defiled one]

Anyway, I am happy to say..That after reading volume 10 of the manga, I at least can say, as a fact...that Youmas do..

They rape, as volume 10 said, unless my translation is rusty, So we can assume, unfortunatly that Clare, as a child, was sexualy assaulted, among other things :( See pag 117

[Fenrir_valindri]

Anyway, I am happy to say..That after reading volume 10 of the manga, I at least can say, as a fact...that Youmas do..

They rape, as volume 10 said, unless my translation is rusty, So we can assume, unfortunatly that Clare, as a child, was sexualy assaulted, among other things :( See pag 117

Awakened could be the exception, they were once human after all :(
Still, that is not outside the realm of possiblity. :upset:

[Defiled one]

I don`t know about Awakened but I know about Youmas, when I read it I was like OMFG. Literaly, I mean what a trauma.

I don`t know about awakened behaviour, but I will have to say yes...

[Xellos-_^]

Anyway, I am happy to say..That after reading volume 10 of the manga, I at least can say, as a fact...that Youmas do..

They rape, as volume 10 said, unless my translation is rusty, So we can assume, unfortunatly that Clare, as a child, was sexualy assaulted, among other things :( See pag 117

There is difference between Awakens and Yomas.

I haven't seen any evidence that Yomas sees humand as anything other then food.

As for Awaken's i will need to read it again in english before i say anything on the subject.

[ickem]

I am not too sure though. Her mind doesn't even register young girls at all, I don't think these would explain it, because if these explanations were true, she would have to first see them, but apparently she doesn't even see them.

Anyway, chapter 72, at the end, Claris said they have finished the mission of hunting for Galatea after killing the awakened being. Any thoughts?

Actually she didn't say that they finished the mission, she said that their mission is to kill Galatea.

As for Priscilla, it's likely that she can see, smell, sense etc. little girls fine, it's just that her brain tells her that they aren't there. One of the color spreads for the anime in this month's chapter has Priscilla's relationship to Clare as "ignores" while Clare's relationship to her is "get revenge for Teresa."

[Grey]

Awakened could be the exception, they were once human after all :(
Still, that is not outside the realm of possiblity. :upset:Do we know that Yoma weren't once human? They might both have an origin in the Organization's experiments (I'm not sure if later chapters have said otherwise).

I am not too sure though. Her mind doesn't even register young girls at all, I don't think these would explain it, because if these explanations were true, she would have to first see them, but apparently she doesn't even see them.Hmm, I think it's impossible for her to actually not see them. Claymore may have supernatural physics, but it's incomprehensible to suppose that Priscilla's eyes are physiologically unable to see young girls. What trait could young girls have that prevent the eye from detecting them? Light is light, and the eye will catch it whether it's illuminating young girls or not.

Instead, the "inability" to see young girls can only be understood as relating to Priscilla's brain or mind. For young girls to seemingly "not be reflected in her eyes", part of Priscilla's mind/brain would have to shut down any reaction or response to the sight of a young girl. But why would her mind/brain do that? This is where my previous two possible explanations come into play.

Oh, also--a point following from the conclusion that the eye has no trait that can block out sight of a young girl. It is clear, then, that Priscilla's visual cortex processes the image of a young girl, and part of her mind recognizes the young girl as such. She can't selectively fail to see young girls unless part of her brain realizes that it's seeing a young girl, and that part prevents the rest of the brain from receiving the message. But what part of the brain does that? This returns to the previous explanations.

[ickem]

Anyway, I am happy to say..That after reading volume 10 of the manga, I at least can say, as a fact...that Youmas do..

They rape, as volume 10 said, unless my translation is rusty, So we can assume, unfortunatly that Clare, as a child, was sexualy assaulted, among other things :( See pag 117

If you're talking about the tale that Deneb told, I'm not sure if I would translate it as rape. It's more of "And she used her hands to cover her own mouth to keep silent and watched from under the bed as the youma abused and cut her sister's body to pieces." I guess you can get rape from that use of 乱暴, but from what we've seen it doesn't seem as if awakened ones really care about sex, they may rape as a way of tormenting they're victims, but there are other ways to do that. Also, if awakened one shares Riful's view of humans, it would actually be beastiality.

[Fenrir_valindri]

Actually I ment that I would not be suprised if Awakened would rape someone, and that natural Yoma probably just see humans as prey and nothing more.

[LCeh]

Actually she didn't say that they finished the mission, she said that their mission is to kill Galatea.

Oh, kk. Cause from the translations I read, the last 2 komas say:

"We are lucky... for now our mission is accomplished..."
"We... got Galatea's head."

Maybe it was a mistranslation on the translator's part.

[ickem]

Oh, kk. Cause from the translations I read, the last 2 komas say:

"We are lucky... for now our mission is accomplished..."
"We... got Galatea's head."

Maybe it was a mistranslation on the translator's part.

The last page of the chapter goes something like this:

Miata: Mama, mama, mama...
Claris: Fuu(sigh)...it's alright...I'm here...anyways let's go finish our mission. The two of are going to take Galatea's head.


Sorry for the misunderstanding, I didn't check the chapter before replying before.

[Negativedark]

Now I kinda want to see what would happen if Riful and Maita were to meet.

[Fate_Archer]

The last page of the chapter goes something like this:

Miata: Mama, mama, mama...
Claris: Fuu(sigh)...it's alright...I'm here...anyways let's go finish our mission. The two of are going to take Galatea's head.


Sorry for the misunderstanding, I didn't check the chapter before replying before.

So...Galatea is alive doesn't she???

They killed the awaken, but they still on their mission to get galatea's head, right?

Really hope she is alive...

[Radome]

I have a question about the swords on the Mountain that make the alter.

From the summaries I read, Claris only reported 17 swords to the counci as being on the memorial, which is all fine and dandy. Then, the council says something about her implying 7 Claymore's surviving. So my question is this.

Why did they not say 8 Claymores surviving? Cause in all truth, there were 25, not 24, swords that should have been there, as Undine was a dual wielder. So, did they assume she would be one of the survivors, if in fact there was a chance of any? Or did they not know she was a dual wielder? Just something that has been bugging me.

[Xellos-_^]

I have a question about the swords on the Mountain that make the alter.

From the summaries I read, Claris only reported 17 swords to the counci as being on the memorial, which is all fine and dandy. Then, the council says something about her implying 7 Claymore's surviving. So my question is this.

Why did they not say 8 Claymores surviving? Cause in all truth, there were 25, not 24, swords that should have been there, as Undine was a dual wielder. So, did they assume she would be one of the survivors, if in fact there was a chance of any? Or did they not know she was a dual wielder? Just something that has been bugging me.

form the organizations view point it doesn't matter who survive. Since any survivors are counted as traitors. As for why assume seven survivors, they sent 24 claymores north and there are 17 graves, 24-17 = 7 survivors.

As i said above it doesn't matter who survivors, all survivors will be treated equally.

[Radome]

form the organizations view point it doesn't matter who survive. Since any survivors are counted as traitors. As for why assume seven survivors, they sent 24 claymores north and there are 17 graves, 24-17 = 7 survivors.

As i said above it doesn't matter who survivors, all survivors will be treated equally.

I know they would all be treated as traitors. What I'm asking is shouldn't they have been looking for 25 graves? As, like I said earlier, one of the 24 was a dual weilder.

Or are you saying that since there are only 24 Claymores, there should only be 24 graves, and the 25th sword was either tossed or buried with Undine or one of the other Claymores?

[Xellos-_^]

I know they would all be treated as traitors. What I'm asking is shouldn't they have been looking for 25 graves? As, like I said earlier, one of the 24 was a dual weilder.

Or are you saying that since there are only 24 Claymores, there should only be 24 graves, and the 25th sword was either tossed or buried with Undine or one of the other Claymores?

That or both swords put in a X type position. As it is all the swords are in singles.

[Seska]

For some info about Claymore's:

In the anime, someone said this: "We are a Youma body, with a Human head and Mind, after all". Don't know if it was in Theresa's arc or sooner.

And this rape thing... Do you really think they do it for fun? We seen only Riful trying it... And what kind of reaction, do you think, she is hoping? Yes, she want that her target awakens....

and if it happens in Clare's past. Then this is possible one condition that she was that strong, following Theresa and survived the fall from the cliff. How knows.... Don't drift into Hentai :)

[Mentar]

I know they would all be treated as traitors. What I'm asking is shouldn't they have been looking for 25 graves? As, like I said earlier, one of the 24 was a dual weilder.

Or are you saying that since there are only 24 Claymores, there should only be 24 graves, and the 25th sword was either tossed or buried with Undine or one of the other Claymores?

Deneve took Undine's second sword. She's now carrying on Undine's tradition of a dual wielder.

[Zu Ra]

Does anyone else think the story is moving at a fast pace I mean Teresa's main nemesis is Priscilla and she is already in the North .

[Seska]

There is also Riful, that stick her nose in :) No worry. And where is the third "Master Awenkend"? 1 in North, 1 in East and last in South?. is the West side their Breed ground? (Support of their foot troops)

[Zu Ra]

If the Northern Campaign is sucessful I have a hunch Priscilla wont be there she may well be in south making an alliance . Or even in the west gathering foot soldiers

[Seska]

and don't forget. The battleground for Vol 8-9 is a frontier city of the north lands.They just need to build in more of these Lion shape youmas :), or Pricilia travels south with Raki after losing Ifren (hope the name is right)

[Zu Ra]

Speculating : The Northern Cmapaign may be just used to illustrate level of diffrence between Clare and Priscilla . Also its fun to see Fab 4 ( or now 5 ) together again : )

[flick]

Actually she didn't say that they finished the mission, she said that their mission is to kill Galatea.



I read 72 last night and couldn't believe the last part was that sentence (talk about slightly demoralising)! I guess if they don't really know what Galatea is like (and she will definitely have surpressed her aura) it can't *really* be her. And Miata just disturbs me (the new bunch all do :P old school rocks!)

[Seska]

Galatea has one weak spot. And her name is Rafaela. If she can suppress her aura that good, even Galatea cannot "detect" her. She is really fitted for cover operations.

and for the little Claymore girlie, she is surly the future anti-pricilia weapon. They know the weak spot of Pricilia... Little girls :)

[Crystal_Method]

I just read volume 10 and...

for all the raki haters, how do you like him now, now that he is going to become a superbeing because of isley. And isley is cool as hell he's my favorite character now.

[Zu Ra]

for all the raki haters, how do you like him now, now that he is going to become a superbeing because of isley. And isley is cool as hell he's my favorite character now.

I havnt read Vol 10 but the re-entry of Raki is indeed good news . Does Clare meet up with Raki, if she has Clare can now fully concentrate on her mission .

[Seska]

It is not that easy @Geta Boshi... I cannot say more, because more will be a spoiler. :)

[LCeh]

Does anyone else think the story is moving at a fast pace I mean Teresa's main nemesis is Priscilla and she is already in the North .

The story is indeed moving at a fast pace. That's what separates itself from other shounen manga... something important is always happening. Also, you don't get a whole lot of subplot like Naruto does and then forget about what the story is all about.

I really do think that this series is the best ongoing shounen manga right now.

[Seska]

Me too. It's from the beginning a pure fresh Dark Gothic story. before i started viewing the anime, i do not know that i like Dark Gothic scenarios:)

No, need on Ecchi. No to much fan service. No to much subplots so far. Every Episode has their own action.

um, i do want write more. But inside my head the English words runs out. :)

[dutchman]

No, need on Ecchi. No to much fan service. No to much subplots so far. Every Episode has their own action.


I didn't even knew there was any fan service in Claymore at all. Unless you count dismembered yoma's and the odd human as fan service :D

[Seska]

well, nowadays mostly new anime has some ecchi or fan service in the first 3 episodes. to catch the viewers... but claymore don't need that. The story and the main actor keeps them watching... (like me from the start) and for ecchi (Clare's naked body....)

[Xellos-_^]

There is also Riful, that stick her nose in :) No worry. And where is the third "Master Awenkend"? 1 in North, 1 in East and last in South?. is the West side their Breed ground? (Support of their foot troops)

North is Isely
West is Riful
South - show up later
East is where the Claymore HQ is.

[Samanosuke]

East is where the Claymore HQ is.

I now am 2% sure that the Claymore HQ is kira !
erm wait..i meant , that i'm sure the Claymore HQ are the true master mind behind the Yoma and all .
Actually , i would not be surprised if they all where Awaken ones .

[Seska]

Well, let collect all infos that i know about Clare so far.


1. Has the blood and flesh of the previous strongest fighter inside her. (Teresa)
2. Has the 2nd strongest fighter right arm. (Ilena)
3. Has some sort of knowing/peace with the 3rd strong fighter. (Galatea)
4. Has to thank the 4 strongest fighter to fight for the one she loves. (Ophelia)(Thanks dutchman)
5. Has meet the 5 strongest fighter, master of covered operations. (Rafalea)(Thanks dutchman)
6. one part of the fab 4, also known as one of the 7 Ghosts and the 6th strongest fighter as a Nakama (fighting buddy from Bleach manga)(Miria)
7. K.I.A.
8. Has meet the 2nd fastest Blade Warrior. (Flora)(Thanks dutchman)
9. Has saved number 9 and was saved from number 9.(Jean)
10. nr.10 don't know
11. Has meet nr. 11 muscle warrior.(Undine)
12. nr. 12 don't know
13. Has meet nr.13 same time as nr.11(Veronica)
14. Is now one of the 7 Ghosts, also knowing as the eye of the 7 Ghosts. (Cynthia)
15. one part of the fab 4, also known as one of the 7 Ghosts and a Nakama, too. (Deneve)
22. natural troublemaker. one part of the fab 4, also known as one of the 7 Ghosts and a Nakama, too. (Helen)

the others 2 of the 7 Ghosts.... Well my skills in reading Kanji is about zero... :)

oh and she has meet Riful 2 times and is still alive.... :)



Now, who have i forgotten? :)

[dutchman]

Well, let collect all infos that i know about Clare so far.


1. Has the blood and flesh of the previous strongest fighter inside her.
2. Has the 2nd strongest fighter right arm.
3. Has some sort of knowing/peace with the 3rd strong fighter.
4. Has meet the 4 strongest fighter. (Rafaela?)
5. Has to thank the 5 strongest fighter to fight for the one she loves.
6. and has the 6th strongest fighter as a Nakama (fighting buddy from Bleach manga) now.
7. nr.7 don't know
8. nr.8 don't know
9. Has saved number 9 and was saved from number 9.
10. nr.10 don't know
11. Has meet nr. 11 muscle warrior.
12. nr. 12 don't know
13. Has meet nr.13 same time as nr.11



Now, who have i forgotten? :)

She is blond er no wait thats not really new.


nr 4 was ophelia you got her reversed with .. nr5 Rafelea

nr7 her name was mentioned but she died in 1 single frame so not really important:)

nr 8 was Flora

The rest except for nr 22 and nr 15 (Helen, Deneve) are just cannon fodder ;)

Also she can use a little bit of Galatea's technique of controlling yoma energy she used it to save nr9 Jean from fully awakening.

[flick]

Great summary there, Seska ;)

[Xellos-_^]

She is blond er no wait thats not really new.


nr 4 was ophelia you got her reversed with .. nr5 Rafelea

nr7 her name was mentioned but she died in 1 single frame so not really important:)

nr 8 was Flora

The rest except for nr 22 and nr 15 (Helen, Deneve) are just cannon fodder ;)

Also she can use a little bit of Galatea's technique of controlling yoma energy she used it to save nr9 Jean from fully awakening.


Cythina is cute, i hope she is not canon fodder.

[Mentar]

Who? Do you mean Claris?

[Seska]

strange, now with the wisdom of some names and faces... the OP is a big spoiler :)

[Xellos-_^]

Who? Do you mean Claris?


Cythina #14

One of the Magnificent Seven

[Zu Ra]

The story is indeed moving at a fast pace. That's what separates itself from other shounen manga... something important is always happening. Also, you don't get a whole lot of subplot like Naruto does and then forget about what the story is all about. .

Actually you didnt get what I meant sorry for not being specific . Fast Pace was in reference to the story coming to an end . Unless Priscilla pawns Claymores and leaves them alive to get stronger the end may be near . Priscilla is Clare's main nemesis so I dont see a continuation after death of Priscilla .

Also

Isley Rocks !!!!

[KoroshiyaX]

Anyone know how often do the chapters get published in japan? Is it b-weekly, or monthly?

[Zu Ra]

Monthly Claymore is published in the Monthly Shonen Jump (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monthly_Shonen_Jump) .

[Xellos-_^]

Actually you didnt get what I meant sorry for not being specific . Fast Pace was in reference to the story coming to an end . Unless Priscilla pawns Claymores and leaves them alive to get stronger the end may be near . Priscilla is Clare's main nemesis so I dont see a continuation after death of Priscilla .

Also

Isley Rocks !!!!


Just read on there is still plenty of story left. It is vol12 and it is no where near finishing.

[Zu Ra]

Just read on there is still plenty of story left. It is vol12 and it is no where near finishing.

Ooh muchos thanx for that info I had been worried : )

[Crystal_Method]

I've been wondering this for a while...
is there a chance the black suits and superiors of the organization are awakened claymores in competition with the north, south, and west? And all of them are suppressing their youma energy so the claymores won't find out? That would be interesting, wouldn't it?

[Xellos-_^]

I've been wondering this for a while...
is there a chance the black suits and superiors of the organization are awakened claymores in competition with the north, south, and west? And all of them are suppressing their youma energy so the claymores won't find out? That would be interesting, wouldn't it?

It has came up a few times what the Org is. But since the manga hasn't release back ground info we are all guessing.

[Zu Ra]

On a lighter note This manga series by far leads in impalements I have never come across a series with this many impalements. It would be interesting if someone actually kept count .

[LCeh]

Speculations for stuff later:

Does anyone else think that there will be a high chance Galatea will join the 7 remaining claymores? It would only make sense if they meet up with Galatea again, whether she joins them or not, and I think she will be absolutely crucial for whatever they are trying to do. She probably improved her skills a lot during the 7 years as well, and I would think if Clare really wants to find and take down Priscilla, she will need Galatea.

[Seska]

Galatea's skill will be a key part in the future. i think....


Clare has learned from her (copycat Clare) to control others Yuma energy flow. So she successfully return Jean into her Human form.But, this action is a great mind stress. so that she cannot do it again. But Galatea has more power.

my guess. She will help with her skill somebody, to return to her Human form. After someone passed their limit.

[Mentar]

Either that, or...

Galatea might be employed to let Clare pull an Alicia on us. Which would put her in a role similar to Beth. At the very least it's nearly certain that she'll play a key role in the story to come.

[dutchman]

Either that, or...

Galatea might be employed to let Clare pull an Alicia on us. Which would put her in a role similar to Beth. At the very least it's nearly certain that she'll play a key role in the story to come.

Very interesting theory Mentar but..

Wasn't it mentioned that the only reason Alicia and Beth are able to do their awakened / mindcontrol thing because they are twins? Cause the first experiment with 'normal' siblings Rafealla and Luciriana (sp?) failed horrible.

Possible Clare and Galetea will maybe bond together in the future but I can't imagine it to the extend that its on the level a twin apperently operates.

[Mentar]

That's what the organization said, but...

...who says that they're right? The organization has been wrong on many things before, like the impossibility to revert from a state of full awakening, among other things.

It's obvious that Galatea instinctively and immediately deduced what was happening there. And we know that Miss Glamour Girl has been a VERY special case all over - I doubt that she's merely supposed to be a tool to explain the organization's story. Just like I don't believe that the Claris/Miata mission is pure 'cleanup' alone. Rather that the organization is worried about Galatea.

It's just a hunch, but my guts tell me that eventually it will become the task of our F4 to take out Alicia. And I suspect it will be Clare supported by Galatea. Longshot bet. Any takers? ;)

[Defiled one]

^ Yeah but this all discoveries make me...

What exactly are Youmas? I mean, how could something that weak make a human so strong? Why does the order want Clare dead along with the others half awakened? What exactly is a awakened? They seem so different from another....Where do Youmas come from? And how their mingling with human blood makes such powerfull beings? And my big question....How did the order discovered the idea of making Claymores? And, are there any "natural hybrids" out there?:eyebrow: That seems to haunt all of us.

[Xellos-_^]

^ Yeah but this all discoveries make me...

What exactly are Youmas? I mean, how could something that weak make a human so strong? Why does the order want Clare dead along with the others half awakened? What exactly is a awakened? They seem so different from another....Where do Youmas come from? And how their mingling with human blood makes such powerfull beings? And my big question....How did the order discovered the idea of making Claymores? And, are there any "natural hybrids" out there?:eyebrow: That seems to haunt all of us.

I think Miria has the answer to half those questions and galatea probably has the answer to the other half.

A interesting note is the the East where the HQ is located is described as a ruined land. So what exactly cause it to be ruined and why is it describe as ruin :eyebrow:

[dutchman]

That's what the organization said, but...

...who says that they're right? The organization has been wrong on many things before, like the impossibility to revert from a state of full awakening, among other things.

It's obvious that Galatea instinctively and immediately deduced what was happening there. And we know that Miss Glamour Girl has been a VERY special case all over - I doubt that she's merely supposed to be a tool to explain the organization's story. Just like I don't believe that the Claris/Miata mission is pure 'cleanup' alone. Rather that the organization is worried about Galatea.

It's just a hunch, but my guts tell me that eventually it will become the task of our F4 to take out Alicia. And I suspect it will be Clare supported by Galatea. Longshot bet. Any takers? ;)

Hehe gambling and me don't mix I always lose:p

Also calling Galatea miss glamour girl is really fitting maybe this should be her new nickname (not sure if she had any at all).


Actually I am quite suprised there isn't already some kind of poll in place to vote for you favourite claymore.

1 polll for the manga readers with ALL named claymores who appeared in the manga volumes up to now (a bit spoilerish).

And another poll for the non-manga readers (although I admit that currently with only 2 options , Clare and Theresa) its a bit limited.

[zgmf-x19a]

I wonder if the twins shouldn't be called Dark Claymores instead since they are different

[Seska]

I wonder if the twins shouldn't be called Dark Claymores instead since they are different

If i understand it correctly from the v11 (need more hints? :)) release, the twins share the same "mind". They are 2 bodies, but 1 mind. or so...

[zgmf-x19a]

yea but they are different from regular claymores and their outfits are also different pure black hence my suggestion of Dark Claymore

[LCeh]

Somebody give a certain subgroup a medal. Releasing 4 volumes of manga in 5 days is no joke.

Reading these discussions constantly reminds me of how much detail I have forgotten. I think I will have to go back and see what was said about the twins and stuff.

[passenger]

yeah and they have neither any hint about them on the releases nor a web page. they are like ultimate masked heroes :P since we are almost up to date somehow is it possible to see regular monthly threads for each chapter from now on? it should be nice. :D

[zgmf-x19a]

Volume 12 is already out in Japan so we're not really up to date :) :p
It's true that we need to thank those heroes :D

[passenger]

but after the continuous and most pleasant miracles of the last 4 days, there are people out there whom i have faith in :)

[Grey]

Also calling Galatea miss glamour girl is really fitting maybe this should be her new nickname (not sure if she had any at all).
I've never noticed her being called a nickname. Although she does fill a named position as "The Eye" of the Organization. That's about as close to a nickname she seems to get.

Actually I am quite suprised there isn't already some kind of poll in place to vote for you favourite claymore.

1 polll for the manga readers with ALL named claymores who appeared in the manga volumes up to now (a bit spoilerish).Ahh...the omni-present "favorite!" poll! I hadn't noticed that named Claymore didn't have one yet. But there are a few too many Claymore in the manga for a poll to cover all of them. By volume five alone we've seen five Claymores from the past, and five from the future, and in addition the top five Claymores had been named (but hadn't been seen). And the Northern Campaign of volume 9 just explodes the numbers of named Claymores into the stratosphere.

[dee32]

Does anyone know if the devstating attack that Jean and now Helen use have a name?

Does Cynthia and Yuma have any other special abilities other that there superior healing abilities or is it to early to tell if they have other ablities?

I'm starting to think that Clare's ablities are something like Kakashi Hatake (the copy ninja) from Naruto. Meaning Clare is able to copy or learn a technique after seeing it done once or a few times. Clare was able to copy the technique Galatea used to reverse awakening even though she was only able to use it once. She learned and perfected Flora's windcutter after she saw Flora use it just a few times before she was killed. She also tried to regenerate her right arm after it was hacked to pieces by Opheila, even though the atempt failed. She did this after she saw Denev do it once before This before Clare knew she was an ofensive type instead of a defensive type.

[Seska]

She can't regenerate body parts, even when she try it. (Fight with Ophelia Volume 7 site 70). Even her "Copycat" Skills, has limits. And Clare technique is not a copy of Wind Cuter. It's called "Quick Sword" and she learned it fair and square from somebody with a higher ex-single digit....(Volume 7 scene 38).And she imitate Galatea's skill on Jean, and can't pull it of again (Volume 9 site 42)

[Defiled one]

She can't regenerate body parts, even when she try it. (Fight with Ophelia Volume 7 site 70). Even her "Copycat" Skills, has limits. And Clare technique is not a copy of Wind Cuter. It's called "Quick Sword" and she learned it fair and square from somebody with a higher ex-single digit....(Volume 7 scene 38).And she imitate Galatea's skill on Jean, and can't pull it of again (Volume 9 site 42)


About Clare abilities Could regenerate body parts if she awakened but it would take a while, maybe a day. As a Claymore she could do it also but her arm would have only "human strenght" Riful man is an ofensive type also and his regenerative abilities take a while. If clare wishes to become stronger somebody has to teacher her the trick. She can`t learn by herself.

[Hao Asakura]

Isley's true form is godly ^^
Special thx to those heroes who brought us up to vol11 :bow

[Negativedark]

Okay I have a question. In volume 5 when we first see Miria she's with two other Claymores. Did their names ever get revealed? This is kinda bugging me.

[Ch1kane]

Can somebody translate for me what Galatea said when she was fighting riful's "man" about her yoma power? If I remember is chapter 7 or 8 when she was ask to bring Clare back to the organization.

[silix]

Okay I have a question. In volume 5 when we first see Miria she's with two other Claymores. Did their names ever get revealed? This is kinda bugging me.not explicitly... but to me, two Claymores in the North Campaign party seem too closely resembling for not actually being them ...
i.e: the former , with ponytail, should be Veronica ( no. 13 in the ranking ) who leads her own team
the latter one with shorter hair, should be the fourth member of Miria's team - which includes Queeny (sp? ) Yuma, and Tabatha
but as we know, of Miria's team only Yuma and Tabatha are among those who have survived the North Campaign and lived in seclusion for 7 yearsso, by exclusion, she shall be Queeny (at position no. 20 in the ranking)

[LCeh]

Has anybody wondered, since awakened beings were previously claymores whose yoma side took over, and the fact that the organization makes a huge effort to hunt them down, how there were so many of them wandering around during the northern battles?

[Nightengale]

Speaking of Galatea and her escape from the Organization, I wonder what Elmita's role will be in that situation.

Out of all the Organization-males, he seems the most silent-vague type, and seems to be the closest to Galatea out of all.

Has anybody wondered, since awakened beings were previously claymores whose yoma side took over, and the fact that the organization makes a huge effort to hunt them down, how there were so many of them wandering around during the northern battles?

I believe they were part of Easley's 27 Awakened that survived Pieta. After they destroyed Pieta, they split off in 2 directions, one group towards Riful and Daf, and the other towards Alicia and Beth under Easley's suicidal orders, getting themselves royally owned on 2 directions.

Anyway, from the looks of things, if we assume only one generation of male Claymores exist, there's probably less than 10 of them now. Makes me wonder if they were any that did NOT awaken out of the 47. Besides, we've only known the top 3. Wonder if they'll ever introduce 4 & 5, or were they already cannon-foddered?

[Xellos-_^]

Has anybody wondered, since awakened beings were previously claymores whose yoma side took over, and the fact that the organization makes a huge effort to hunt them down, how there were so many of them wandering around during the northern battles?

The organization don't make a huge effort to hunt down awakens.

A awaken is treated the same as any other yoma. They are left alone unless someone make a request to hunt them down.

[LCeh]

I believe they were part of Easley's 27 Awakened that survived Pieta. After they destroyed Pieta, they split off in 2 directions, one group towards Riful and Daf, and the other towards Alicia and Beth under Easley's suicidal orders, getting themselves royally owned on 2 directions.

That still doesn't quite explain where they all came from though, or do you mean that the monsters they were fighting with were the first generation of male claymores?

The organization don't make a huge effort to hunt down awakens.

A awaken is treated the same as any other yoma. They are left alone unless someone make a request to hunt them down.

I am not entirely sure about that though. Cause if they awakened, then didn't they technically betray the organization anymore? Since the rule is that you get yourself killed before you awaken. Then it would make sense they hunt them down immediately.

[Nightengale]

That still doesn't quite explain where they all came from though, or do you mean that the monsters they were fighting with were the first generation of male claymores?

Yes, they were all male Awakens of the male Claymore generation, under Easley's banner.

[Defiled one]

Has anybody wondered, since awakened beings were previously claymores whose yoma side took over, and the fact that the organization makes a huge effort to hunt them down, how there were so many of them wandering around during the northern battles?

Actualy...:cool: In volume 9, page 142 Our "MIB" said something very revelant, really important. The orphans are divided and transported away....The girls to the East while the boys, to the North.:eyebrow: Something really seems fishy don`t you think? Who rules the North and the East?

[Xellos-_^]

That still doesn't quite explain where they all came from though, or do you mean that the monsters they were fighting with were the first generation of male claymores?

It was never mention how many generation of Male Claymores there were. We just know the Organization eventually stop making Male Claymores because a Male Claymore are prone to Awaken. We don't know when they actually stop.



I am not entirely sure about that though. Cause if they awakened, then didn't they technically betray the organization anymore? Since the rule is that you get yourself killed before you awaken. Then it would make sense they hunt them down immediately.Once they become a Awaken they no longer part of the organization and is treated the same as another Yoma. At least that is what the Agent had explain The truth of the matter is we really don't know.

However if you look at it form resource point of view it does make sense. The organization has 47 Claymores. That is a finite resource even if they are expandable. To hunt a Awaken, which is much more powerful then your avg yoma you need a team of 4-5 with 1 single digit. Normally any digit below 30 is usually never sent because they are weak. So out of a total of 47 Claymores only 30 are of actual use. So at best there 6-7 teams capable of hunting a noirmal Awaken. And if the Awaken is especially powerful like Riful or Isaley then you will need a task force make up entirely of Single Digits and maybe even that won't be enough.

As we see form the new #3 and #7, the quality of a Claymore varied form generation to generation. The new #3 has shown no where near the power of Galatea and even Miria before the time skip could have beaten her. Also Daf was powerful enough to take out the Task force orginially sent against him and even Galatea+Jean+Claire was almost no match for him. And Ligands took out #8, #9, #11 and #13 and almost took out Miria. The Organization imo weight the cost of going after the awakens wholesale and decided against it.

Yes, they were all male Awakens of the male Claymore generation, under Easley's banner.

Actually we don't know if they were all first gen and if all were male.

Actualy...:cool: In volume 9, page 142 Our "MIB" said something very revelant, really important. The orphans are divided and transported away....The girls to the East while the boys, to the North.:eyebrow: Something really seems fishy don`t you think? Who rules the North and the East?

The East is rule by the organization, that is where thier HQ is. As for the North, i just see it as simple slavery, The North is cold and harsh, people don't go there unless they have to, so it is no suprise that they need slave labors up there.

[Defiled one]

But the North is Ruled by Isley no?

[Xellos-_^]

But the North is Ruled by Isley no?

Isley rules the awakens in the North. He doesn't ruled the humans that lived there.

[Defiled one]

Why feed the enemy? Why can`t they just stop sending people there? Make the awakened starve you know. Even I find it pretty ilogical to send work and food "humans" for the enemy. Humans after all, are the awakened source of food.

[Tempest35]

One word: Migration. ^^

Which is better, roaming bands of predators or keep them in one spot where there's a steady supply of food? I dare say it's a type of 'control' to keep them in one spot until better methods are made.

[Xellos-_^]

Why feed the enemy? Why can`t they just stop sending people there? Make the awakened starve you know. Even I find it pretty ilogical to send work and food "humans" for the enemy. Humans after all, are the awakened source of food.

1. If you assume that it was the Organization that is sending the kids north. THe reasoning behind it is that if the North runs out of food then the Northern Awakens is going come down South which would complicate matters for the organization.

2. If you assume that it was your normal slavers that sent the kids north then it is just normal slaving business of providing labors to area with a labor shortage.

Raki could either have been capture by normal slavers or most likely capture by the organization and sold to the slavers to be sent North.

[Defiled one]

That seems logical, if and only if, Easley doesn`t know how to make Claymores. If he does know how to make them...now that´s a diferent matter but assuming he doesn`t know how to, it´s logical.

[Xellos-_^]

That seems logical, if and only if, Easley doesn`t know how to make Claymores. If he does know how to make them...now that´s a diferent matter but assuming he doesn`t know how to, it´s logical.

If Isely knows how to make Awakens, I would have expected to seen hundreds of Awakens in North and not the 30-40 that we seen.

[Tempest35]

Heck, he could have crushed the Org with only 35 Awakened, including himself. I suppose he's keeping his power in check so that the other two Abyss Lords don't ally and go against him. It's a four-way game here.

[Defiled one]

Heck, he could have crushed the Org with only 35 Awakened, including himself. I suppose he's keeping his power in check so that the other two Abyss Lords don't ally and go against him. It's a four-way game here.

NO!! BAD IDEA!! REALLY BAD IDEA!:twitch: The consequences would be horrible.

If the order was destroyed then, the surviving claymores, at least a majoraty of them would awake without the risk of being hunted down or killed, it would be pandemonium of awakened, some are very powerfull one digit Claymores out there. Easley can`t take a whole army by himself if he can`t even takeout Riful alone. It´s better to have the Order submissive and fear him than to destroy it.

[Xellos-_^]

Heck, he could have crushed the Org with only 35 Awakened, including himself. I suppose he's keeping his power in check so that the other two Abyss Lords don't ally and go against him. It's a four-way game here.

Isley's army was only recently recurited. He didn't have any intention of invading other terrorities until He meet up with Priscilla (lolis are dangerous) .

NO!! BAD IDEA!! REALLY BAD IDEA!:twitch: The consequences would be horrible.

If the order was destroyed then, the surviving claymores, at least a majoraty of them would awake without the risk of being hunted down or killed, it would be pandemonium of awakened, some are very powerfull one digit Claymores out there. Easley can`t take a whole army by himself if he can`t even takeout Riful alone. It´s better to have the Order submissive and fear him than to destroy it.

I really doubt the organization was scare of anyone. I don't think we have all the cards the organization have to play. There is a good reason why Isley, Riful and the third Abysaal lord didn't take the Organization on.

[LCeh]

NO!! BAD IDEA!! REALLY BAD IDEA!:twitch: The consequences would be horrible.

If the order was destroyed then, the surviving claymores, at least a majoraty of them would awake without the risk of being hunted down or killed, it would be pandemonium of awakened, some are very powerfull one digit Claymores out there. Easley can`t take a whole army by himself if he can`t even takeout Riful alone. It´s better to have the Order submissive and fear him than to destroy it.

Right now we don't know what Easley's real motives are, so we can only speculate. But I remember it was mentioned somewhere that the whole organization power only matches that of Priscilla, I think it was mentioned somewhere right before Clare asked to fight an awaken. So if Easley really wanted to, I think he can give the organization a fight. But then, the organization clearly has something up their sleeves. First thing, to be able to make such powerful beings such as the claymores so obedient to them is already one thing, but the superiors probably have more weapons as well. I can't say they are strong themselves, since we don't know yet, but they should at least know a thing or two, or maybe they know the weaknesses of claymores/awakened ones, who knows.

The thing is, we don't know what Easley wants to accomplish yet.

Xellos: I was reading through some parts again, and you were right. The organization doesn't let outsiders know what awakeners are, and they only take them down if requested. This was also mentioned in volume 5.

[Tempest35]

Isley's army was only recently recurited. He didn't have any intention of invading other terrorities until He meet up with Priscilla (lolis are dangerous) .

Hear that Raki? Lolis are dangerous...XD

So, 'recently' being the time from Priscilla's awakening up until the beginning of the Northern Campaign, right? ...that's still YEARS...@_@

I'd think that if I was one of the first male Claymores, that I really wouldn't relish the thought of going against the female Claymores if only for the fact that they would be half-sisters to me. But I guess there is no such thing as there being an 'honorable' Youma.

[Xellos-_^]

Hear that Raki? Lolis are dangerous...XD

So, 'recently' being the time from Priscilla's awakening up until the beginning of the Northern Campaign, right? ...that's still YEARS...@_@

Probably a bit after that, Priscilla has been on the rampage and only recently went North. That i also why Riful has started to recurit as well. Maybe the last 2-3 years imo.

I'd think that if I was one of the first male Claymores, that I really wouldn't relish the thought of going against the female Claymores if only for the fact that they would be half-sisters to me. But I guess there is no such thing as there being an 'honorable' Youma.Well if the Female Claymore would call them "Onii-chan" :p that would be a different matter.. But right now they are greeted with a Sword point not hugs and kisses.

[dee32]

Is it safe to say that a total of 21 claymores died before and during the northern campaign. I mean #7 Eva and her team (4) + 17 = 21. I know where #s 1, 2, 3, and 5 were. So where were other the claymores loyal to the organization?

[Grey]

NO!! BAD IDEA!! REALLY BAD IDEA!:twitch: The consequences would be horrible.

If the order was destroyed then, the surviving claymores, at least a majoraty of them would awake without the risk of being hunted down or killed, it would be pandemonium of awakened, some are very powerfull one digit Claymores out there. Easley can`t take a whole army by himself if he can`t even takeout Riful alone. It´s better to have the Order submissive and fear him than to destroy it.Um. As seen by the actions of many different Claymores, it's not evident that the majority want to awaken. So if the Organization is destroyed, it's not like the majority of Claymores will suddenly choose to awaken.

Also, even if some Claymores did awaken, it's not clear that they would still care about fighting Easley. It seems that one of the major fears that Claymores have about awakening is that a large part of their attitude will be different. If this weren't true, then there would be no pressing need to have oneself killed before Awakening--because you could just get someone to do it afterwards.

And besides, if the only reason those Claymores didn't awaken was fear of the Organization, then Easley would have actually done them a favor by destroying the Organization. No need for them to try and fight him, especially considering how crazy powerful he is.Is it safe to say that a total of 21 claymores died before and during the northern campaign. I mean #7 Eva and her team (4) + 17 = 21. I know where #s 1, 2, 3, and 5 were. So where was the claymores loyal to the organization?The loyal/obedient claymores were probably just continuing their job hunting yoma in various districts. And 21 sounds about right.

[Xellos-_^]

Is it safe to say that a total of 21 claymores died before and during the northern campaign. I mean #7 Eva and her team (4) + 17 = 21. I know where #s 1, 2, 3, and 5 were. So where were other the claymores loyal to the organization?

Back in thier districts. Doing what the organizations is telling them to do and covering the district of the Claymores sent North.

The organization really were short on numbers at that point.

47 - 24(task force) - 4 (#7 group) -3 (form Jeans group that went after Daf) = 16

Form 16, Galatea ran away and Rafealla was lost as well. Number went down to 14. Losing every single digit form 3-9.

[Tempest35]

Heh, so the Org's had to field in junior Claymores to try and fill in the gap. Granted, they're enough to deal with the usual Youma, just not the Awakened from any group and especially their 7 Sempai in the North.
Heh, 7 Samurai = 7 Claymore Sempai. :D

Hugs and kisses from a Claymore would amount to getting a sword point in your face as well.

[Xellos-_^]

Heh, so the Org's had to field in junior Claymores to try and fill in the gap. Granted, they're enough to deal with the usual Youma, just not the Awakened from any group and especially their 7 Sempai in the North.
Heh, 7 Samurai = 7 Claymore Sempai. :D

Hugs and kisses from a Claymore would amount to getting a sword point in your face as well.


Considering it has been 7 years, while the Org might still be short handed they should have a better handle by now.

The org has mine out a few Gems. Miata might emotionally unstable but she kickass. Defintely more powerful then the current #3.



I think one question no one has ask is how do the Org detect Yoma energy? Illene was absent for what 10+ years and yet as soon as she use a bit of yoma energy they found her and knew it was her as well. Even Galatea, the Eye needed to be within a certain distance to detect Yoma energy. So who or what is the Org using to monitor Yoma energy and thier signature?

[HinaThePrince]

Well, I've read up to volume 10 [currently waiting for vol 11 to finish downloading >w<;;;;], and I have one question.

What about Raki?!

[Xellos-_^]

Well, I've read up to volume 10 [currently waiting for vol 11 to finish downloading >w<;;;;], and I have one question.

What about Raki?!


He was arrest and convicted of being a loli-con :p

[Samanosuke]

He was arrest and convicted of being a loli-con :p

well you guys joke about it , but it really bothers me .
i mean..what on earth is Isley up to ? O_o

[Defiled one]

He says she put the moves on him, but I ain`t buying it. Jail.

Well buddy looks like you have to wait for a while until you know what happened to him.

[Xellos-_^]

well you guys joke about it , but it really bothers me .
i mean..what on earth is Isley up to ? O_o

He is doing what every guy who is hitting a mid life crisis. Trying to impress a younger girl. In his case he is doing it by bring south to enjoy some sun. of course she had bring along her boy toy :rolleyes: Poor Isley.

[Cheese Ninja]

Does anyone else think Raki will be the first new male half-yoma in a long time? I wonder if hybrids made with the flesh of awakened Yoma are any stronger... Isley and Priscilla are top-quality, and they could easily give up a tiny bit and let it regrow.

I just realized, even though offensive types can't regenerate full strength limbs, if they had friends that were defensive types, they could just graft on their friend's limb, then let the defensive type regrow another full strength limb. It would probably only be a fraction as good as the offensive type's original limb, depending of the power of the person they got the limb from, but it's better than normal human strength.

One more thing, do Claymore's age at all? I know they don't after they've awakened, but we've seen Theresa as a child, and also Miata is still very young. I don't suppose there's some finalization process where their age gets fixed at the end of their training?

[Crystal_Method]

I believe raki won't become a half youma yet, the way I see it is he'll become the master of priscilla. All he has to say is "sick'em Pricilla!" and priscilla will basically do the job for him... :heh:

[Samanosuke]

which also makes me wonder how come she hasn't fed on him yet .
If someone is going to feed on him , she'd be the first to do it .
And that's basically why I fail to understand awaken ones and how they think . I'm not sure they really are as bad ( there are expections of course ) the organization want to make us think . Actually they seem more human to me then the rest .
And by that i mean , go and massacre every species inferior to them .

[NoSanninWa]

They are clearly more intelligent and human than full yoma. However they don't think of humans as the same species as themselves. I think that Raki is a pet. He's like a domesticated calf. Yeah, he's veal on the hoof, but he's cute.

[Nightengale]

To Easley, maybe. He for one can even treat his own Awakened underlings, even Ligardo as disposable fodder.

But we don't really know what's the whole stance on Priscilla, since had Pris not shown interest in Raki, Easley probably would've just killed him there and then, or not bother at all. Besides, there's the whole thing with her child-like mentality and the plot amnesia. We for one at least knows that she still knows how to exert her full Awakened powers.

[ickem]

Isley's army was only recently recurited. He didn't have any intention of invading other terrorities until He meet up with Priscilla (lolis are dangerous) .



I really doubt the organization was scare of anyone. I don't think we have all the cards the organization have to play. There is a good reason why Isley, Riful and the third Abysaal lord didn't take the Organization on.

I've never felt that the Shinen no Mono were ever that wary of the organization. The reason none of them moved on the organization was more likely due to the fact that if any one of them moved to expand their territory, the other two would see it as a threat and there'd be a war. We already no that they all had about the same amount of power so didn't want to disturb the balance.

Right now we don't know what Easley's real motives are, so we can only speculate. But I remember it was mentioned somewhere that the whole organization power only matches that of Priscilla, I think it was mentioned somewhere right before Clare asked to fight an awaken. So if Easley really wanted to, I think he can give the organization a fight. But then, the organization clearly has something up their sleeves. First thing, to be able to make such powerful beings such as the claymores so obedient to them is already one thing, but the superiors probably have more weapons as well. I can't say they are strong themselves, since we don't know yet, but they should at least know a thing or two, or maybe they know the weaknesses of claymores/awakened ones, who knows.

The thing is, we don't know what Easley wants to accomplish yet.

Xellos: I was reading through some parts again, and you were right. The organization doesn't let outsiders know what awakeners are, and they only take them down if requested. This was also mentioned in volume 5.

Actually Rubel didn't say that the organization's power matches Priscilla, he said that they would compare their power against Priscilla's power and let the head decide if they were asked to take Priscilla out. There's also that fact that even the organization didn't know how powerful Priscilla was. As for their ability to control the Claymores, I'd just chalk that up to having raised the girls since they were children. Years of indoctrination as a child through the use of torture-like conditions is hard to overcome. Couple that with the fact that they likely weed out the most unruly of the trainees and you have a relatively easy to control corps of subordinates.

[LCeh]

Actually Rubel didn't say that the organization's power matches Priscilla, he said that they would compare their power against Priscilla's power and let the head decide if they were asked to take Priscilla out. There's also that fact that even the organization didn't know how powerful Priscilla was. As for their ability to control the Claymores, I'd just chalk that up to having raised the girls since they were children. Years of indoctrination as a child through the use of torture-like conditions is hard to overcome. Couple that with the fact that they likely weed out the most unruly of the trainees and you have a relatively easy to control corps of subordinates.

Argh, mistranslations are annoying. The translation I read said that they were equally powerful, but I guess they were mistaken.

[Zu Ra]

Irony ....

Mangas tend to use Irony a lot but in this case its taken to the extreme. Raki is training with Isley and protecting Priscilla, because she reminds him of Clare. While Priscilla ( Isley indirectly ) are Clare's enemies and the sole reason Clare became a claymore . The people he is traveling training with just maybe the ones to hurt/kill Clare and yet he trains with them unknowingly to get stronger for Clare

[Samanosuke]

Irony ....

Mangas tend to use Irony a lot but in this case its taken to the extreme. Raki is training with Isley and protecting Priscilla, because she reminds him of Clare. While Priscilla ( Isley indirectly ) are Clare's enemies and the sole reason Clare became a claymore . The people he is traveling training with just maybe the ones to hurt/kill Clare and yet he trains with them unknowingly to get stronger for Clare

that is what all the fun is about .
If that guy is still alive after those 7 years , i'm pretty sure he'd had developed feelings about Priscillia .
This is going to be funny to see which side he will choose when the confrontation will begin.

[LCeh]

Irony ....

Mangas tend to use Irony a lot but in this case its taken to the extreme. Raki is training with Isley and protecting Priscilla, because she reminds him of Clare. While Priscilla ( Isley indirectly ) are Clare's enemies and the sole reason Clare became a claymore . The people he is traveling training with just maybe the ones to hurt/kill Clare and yet he trains with them unknowingly to get stronger for Clare

I actually thought about that as well. It's ironic indeed. I actually hope that the 3 of them, Raki, Priscilla and Easley develop some sort of strong family like bond, I think that would make for some good tension when they meet up with Clare again.

The one thing I want to know though, is what would happen when Priscilla regains her memory.

[Zu Ra]

I actually thought about that as well. It's ironic indeed. I actually hope that the 3 of them, Raki, Priscilla and Easley develop some sort of strong family like bond, I think that would make for some good tension when they meet up with Clare again.

To add insult to injury Raki dopesnt even have the idea that its the Claymores that were getting killed . Also Raki has a strong big sister bond with Priscila and Clare if he had to choose btw them its obvious it would be Clare . Priscila's vengance will be horrid once she knows Raki chose Clare's side

[HinaThePrince]

Does anyone else think Raki will be the first new male half-yoma in a long time?

That would really kinda suck. It makes me think back to back when Teresa was alive.

Teresa: Clare! Live as a human among humans!!
Clare: 'Kaay. -goes and turns into a Claymore-

He should really realize that nothing good will come out of being a Claymore. Besides, Raki is a weak human boy. At best, he will turn into a strong human boy.

One more thing, do Claymore's age at all? I know they don't after they've awakened, but we've seen Theresa as a child, and also Miata is still very young. I don't suppose there's some finalization process where their age gets fixed at the end of their training?

According to Ilena in volume 7 [I think?], they mature but don't age. Meaning, like in Bleach - they grow taller, their face becomes less childish until they hit their 20's or so, and that's about it.

that is what all the fun is about .
If that guy is still alive after those 7 years , i'm pretty sure he'd had developed feelings about Priscillia .
This is going to be funny to see which side he will choose when the confrontation will begin.

Claymore is not a highschool drama with love geometric shapes. Plus, there's no rule that says "spend enough time with a girl and you'll fall in love with her". So no. But I do think that there'll be a strong bond between them if Isley or Prissy-face don't kill him over those seven years.



To add insult to injury Raki dopesnt even have the idea that its the Claymores that were getting killed . Also Raki has a strong big sister bond with Priscila and Clare if he had to choose btw them its obvious it would be Clare . Priscila's vengance will be horrid once she knows Raki chose Clare's side

It was the Claymores getting killed? I don't think so. Prissy-face said all the lights were gone, which would mean all of the Claymores are dead. I'm pretty certain the lights symbolized Isley's army.

[Samanosuke]

It was the Claymores getting killed? I don't think so. Prissy-face said all the lights were gone, which would mean all of the Claymores are dead. I'm pretty certain the lights symbolized Isley's army.
Not really since the awaken ones that were taken off by Alicia where at Piesta ( or whatever it's spelled )

[HinaThePrince]

Not really since the awaken ones that were taken off by Alicia where at Piesta ( or whatever it's spelled )


Does that make them any less dead?

And it's Pieta. Y'know, like the statue?

[Nightengale]

That would really kinda suck. It makes me think back to back when Teresa was alive.

Teresa: Clare! Live as a human among humans!!
Clare: 'Kaay. -goes and turns into a Claymore-

He should really realize that nothing good will come out of being a Claymore. Besides, Raki is a weak human boy. At best, he will turn into a strong human boy.

Well, there's the fact that Easley and Pris don't age... So, if Raki's still with them 7 years later, he must've caught on to something. Though seeing how nice they're to him, he might think they were former Claymores or something.

And he's being trained by Easley. I can imagine him being quite good 7 years later...good enough for yomanization. Though if he ever were to be yomanized, I presume it would somehow be without his consent, like he got his ass owned by a yoma trying to protect Pris, faints, Pris owns those yomas, and saves his life by..I dunno, blood transfusion, flesh transfer...something.

I'd rather not see him like that though. It'd up his death-o-meter considerably.



According to Ilena in volume 7 [I think?], they mature but don't age. Meaning, like in Bleach - they grow taller, their face becomes less childish until they hit their 20's or so, and that's about it.

It was the Claymores getting killed? I don't think so. Prissy-face said all the lights were gone, which would mean all of the Claymores are dead. I'm pretty certain the lights symbolized Isley's army.

Considering we saw the remnants of Isley's army attacking Daf and Alicia/Beth, no. The lights gone could very well just mean Priscilla can't feel anymore Claymore yoma energy, and we know those energy can be suppressed like how Irene/Rafaela did so.

[Defiled one]

But if she was talking about Claymores then...Why was she crying?

[HinaThePrince]

Considering we saw the remnants of Isley's army attacking Daf and Alicia/Beth, no. The lights gone could very well just mean Priscilla can't feel anymore Claymore yoma energy, and we know those energy can be suppressed like how Irene/Rafaela did so.

Why would they be suppressing their energy? Weren't they fighting their hardest against the Awakens?

And yeah, what Defiled said.

[lousy]

if im not wrong/remembered right, dint they trick everyone by eating like half a yoma-energy suppressant or something. making them seem dead?
and Of course they would be suppressing their energy to hide and escape death. i mean. 6 people cant survive against er, 21 awakened(was i right? 27 minus 6 or 7 that were killed(the 5 + ligardo). so they suppressed their energy, got knocked unconscious, and so they 'died'.
that is if i remember the spoilers that i read right.

@DefiledOne: we cant just treat awakened beings as big enemies and like DIEDIEDIE CLAYMORES. look at riful, her attitude towards clare and galatea obviously shows that she isnt like Hatred towards claymore YAY that they died or something.
Especially so for Priscilla, who has a childlike behavior now, and she lost her memory. she probably felt sad that lives were being lost. remember that she was very idealistic before she awakened. which is why she would cry.


(anyway, is this in the right thread, this thread is for the manga jap version so, i guess its ok to mention non-translated stuff?)


As for claris having the same eye color(or isit hair color cant remember), could it be that its because claris was created the same way as clare? i mean, like with way less yoma blood?
I mean she is rather weak too. and we know that the name cant just be a coincidence.


Also, whats the reason for claris' team to be sent. I mean, they went there to kill awakened beings. and as far as we know, the org doesnt send teams to kill awakened beings unless theres a request{oops sorry just reread the chapter, now the org does actively want to kill awakened that they received information}. And as we know from claris, there utterly no trace of life left in pieta. if so, where did the request{/information} come from, was there even a request?
more likely that either: they were sent on a suicide mission again(which isnt very likely since hte org cant be sure there are awakened beings there).
or they were sent as lookout,patrol. to check for any awakened beings or even: to check for remaining claymores.

If so, with their mysterious survival after getting owned by an awakened, they org prob knows that there are survivals already(even though they arent showing it).

[silix]

It was the Claymores getting killed? I don't think so. Prissy-face said all the lights were gone, which would mean all of the Claymores are dead. I'm pretty certain the lights symbolized Isley's army.
but in a flashback amid volume 12 we see Miria instruct her fellows to take one half of the pill that inhibits yoma power... this way their yoki wouldn't vanish unless they were knocked down, allowing to fight till the last
this in an attempt to trick awakened opponents who, not sensing yoma power anymore, would leave them for dead when in fact they'd be "just" fainted or seriously injured

actually this seems to have tricked Priscilla and Isley too, who moreover were sensing from afar...

edit : sorry, i didnt read lousy's post before :o

[vester]

what do you guys think will happen to raki, will isley turn him into a yoma?

[Xellos-_^]

what do you guys think will happen to raki, will isley turn him into a yoma?


I don't think so.

TO turn Raki into a Claymore, he would have to know the process the Organization use to turn humans into claymores. I doubt Isley or anyone outside the organization knows the process. It is the same reason why Riful was torturing Claymores to turn them into Awakens but not making Claymores herself and then turn them into Awakens.

[Defiled one]

If Riful knew how to do it, she would have been hunting villages for a while. In search for the little ones...Literaly.

She can get towards the children quite easily if you look closely. She may appear young but she is very old, maybe centuries.

[HinaThePrince]

Mm, just read volume 12. Raphaela's flashback felt really rushed. And I don't get what Rubel was talking about. "Teresa is dead"? What? o_O;

Also, Rachel and Audrey have the awesomest battle strategy ever. Incredible, how Claymore has so many battles and each one of them brings in something new and interesting. <3~

And yeah, I stand corrected on the lights thing~ Sorry~

[Xellos-_^]

Mm, just read volume 12. Raphaela's flashback felt really rushed. And I don't get what Rubel was talking about. "Teresa is dead"? What? o_O;



The Org re-recurited Rafaella after Teresa die, Illena disappear, 3-5 also die and priscilla Awaken. It also means that Rafaella belong to a earlier generation Claymores. Maybe 50 years earlier then the current timeline.

[HinaThePrince]

Ohh. Didn't catch the time skip. XD Thanks~!

[Seska]

Jip, Rafaella's "arc" is in the time, where Teresa was still a "newbie" Claymore, and Clare not born...also more in the past, then Teresa's Arc in the anime, now.

[Defiled one]

There is something i don´t get it.


They all seem strong, I mean single digit strong. But the digit thing bothers me because if it isn`t about age, How do Claymores are given their ranks? An how Clare got herself so strong for a rank 47, she almost awakened 2 times giving her again two boosts and her strenght is becoming like Theresa, they are all becoming like Theresa...They aren`t using Youma energy at all. Even when they went to Riful they were more worried about knowing who they were going to save. What did they exactly trained there? If all of them went together they could take, with ease, Riful but that`s another matter. I often wondered if The Order wouldn`t be willing to hunt them down and brainwash them.

[teresa]

the manga is better than anime

[ickem]

if im not wrong/remembered right, dint they trick everyone by eating like half a yoma-energy suppressant or something. making them seem dead?
and Of course they would be suppressing their energy to hide and escape death. i mean. 6 people cant survive against er, 21 awakened(was i right? 27 minus 6 or 7 that were killed(the 5 + ligardo). so they suppressed their energy, got knocked unconscious, and so they 'died'.
that is if i remember the spoilers that i read right.

@DefiledOne: we cant just treat awakened beings as big enemies and like DIEDIEDIE CLAYMORES. look at riful, her attitude towards clare and galatea obviously shows that she isnt like Hatred towards claymore YAY that they died or something.
Especially so for Priscilla, who has a childlike behavior now, and she lost her memory. she probably felt sad that lives were being lost. remember that she was very idealistic before she awakened. which is why she would cry.


(anyway, is this in the right thread, this thread is for the manga jap version so, i guess its ok to mention non-translated stuff?)


As for claris having the same eye color(or isit hair color cant remember), could it be that its because claris was created the same way as clare? i mean, like with way less yoma blood?
I mean she is rather weak too. and we know that the name cant just be a coincidence.


Also, whats the reason for claris' team to be sent. I mean, they went there to kill awakened beings. and as far as we know, the org doesnt send teams to kill awakened beings unless theres a request{oops sorry just reread the chapter, now the org does actively want to kill awakened that they received information}. And as we know from claris, there utterly no trace of life left in pieta. if so, where did the request{/information} come from, was there even a request?
more likely that either: they were sent on a suicide mission again(which isnt very likely since hte org cant be sure there are awakened beings there).
or they were sent as lookout,patrol. to check for any awakened beings or even: to check for remaining claymores.

If so, with their mysterious survival after getting owned by an awakened, they org prob knows that there are survivals already(even though they arent showing it).

The reason for their being sent was actually addressed in the chapter. After what happened 7 years ago, the organization decided to hunt down the awakened.


Jip, Rafaella's "arc" is in the time, where Teresa was still a "newbie" Claymore, and Clare not born...also more in the past, then Teresa's Arc in the anime, now.


And Rafaela was VERY impressed with trainee Teresa, that's why Rubel's line about Teresa being dead had such significance.

There is something i don´t get it.


They all seem strong, I mean single digit strong. But the digit thing bothers me because if it isn`t about age, How do Claymores are given their ranks? An how Clare got herself so strong for a rank 47, she almost awakened 2 times giving her again two boosts and her strenght is becoming like Theresa, they are all becoming like Theresa...They aren`t using Youma energy at all. Even when they went to Riful they were more worried about knowing who they were going to save. What did they exactly trained there? If all of them went together they could take, with ease, Riful but that`s another matter. I often wondered if The Order wouldn`t be willing to hunt them down and brainwash them.

I'm no so sure that anyone other than Clare is becoming like Teresa. They only got better at what is happening by reading the youki flow. Clare and Teresa are able to read the future by see the person's intention in the movement of the youki before the person even begins to act.

Also if I remember right, since they have partially awakened, they aren't as limited in how powerful they can get anymore. Not too sure about this and don't feel like going back to check so take it I might have misremembered.

[vester]

There is something i don´t get it.


They all seem strong, I mean single digit strong. But the digit thing bothers me because if it isn`t about age, How do Claymores are given their ranks? An how Clare got herself so strong for a rank 47, she almost awakened 2 times giving her again two boosts and her strenght is becoming like Theresa, they are all becoming like Theresa...They aren`t using Youma energy at all. Even when they went to Riful they were more worried about knowing who they were going to save. What did they exactly trained there? If all of them went together they could take, with ease, Riful but that`s another matter. I often wondered if The Order wouldn`t be willing to hunt them down and brainwash them.

i think they become stronger and stonger the more they fight and train

[Crystal_Method]

There is something i don´t get it.



They all seem strong, I mean single digit strong. But the digit thing bothers me because if it isn`t about age, How do Claymores are given their ranks? An how Clare got herself so strong for a rank 47, she almost awakened 2 times giving her again two boosts and her strenght is becoming like Theresa, they are all becoming like Theresa...They aren`t using Youma energy at all. Even when they went to Riful they were more worried about knowing who they were going to save. What did they exactly trained there? If all of them went together they could take, with ease, Riful but that`s another matter. I often wondered if The Order wouldn`t be willing to hunt them down and brainwash them.


I believe claymores are given rank by their efficiency and capability to kill youma. Good example is:
the twins are not only capable of killing a lot of youma, but they are also capable of killing a lot of awakened ones. Not to mention the fact that their powers matches that of an abyssal one, giving them, or rather Alicia rank 1.

The training that they get I bet is just to gain the ability to control their youma energy and use it to their own advantage. Actually becoming stronger solely is up to how they utilize their abilities to kill youma. From that, I'm guessing claymores get their own techniques to kill youma in the most efficient way (not the coolest way).

I don't think any of them are becoming like Teresa including Clare. It's more like they are becoming more powerful than her. Kind of shows how the newest generation of claymores are much stornger than the former. I'm not saying Teresa wasn't strong, it's just she was only strong in her time. And the youma energy manipulation thing has become popular now, there's at least 3 claymores that use it in different ways.

[ickem]

I believe claymores are given rank by their efficiency and capability to kill youma. Good example is:
the twins are not only capable of killing a lot of youma, but they are also capable of killing a lot of awakened ones. Not to mention the fact that their powers matches that of an abyssal one, giving them, or rather Alicia rank 1.

The training that they get I bet is just to gain the ability to control their youma energy and use it to their own advantage. Actually becoming stronger solely is up to how they utilize their abilities to kill youma. From that, I'm guessing claymores get their own techniques to kill youma in the most efficient way (not the coolest way).

I don't think any of them are becoming like Teresa including Clare. It's more like they are becoming more powerful than her. Kind of shows how the newest generation of claymores are much stornger than the former. I'm not saying Teresa wasn't strong, it's just she was only strong in her time. And the youma energy manipulation thing has become popular now, there's at least 3 claymores that use it in different ways.

I'll have to disagree with you about the new generation being stronger than Teresa. I think Elene is a good gauge of how powerful Teresa was compared to the later generations. She completely owned Ophelia with absolutely no trouble. She then gave Clare her arm and Clare became exponentially stronger even though Clare's kousoku ken with the arm was still only half as fast and half as powerful Elene's. She became powerful enough to take out an awakened Ophelia and was able to hold Daf off long enough for Jean to get her hit in. Clare has, of course, gotten quite a bit stronger since suppressing her youki, but it's questionable if she's gotten much stronger than Elene was with two arms. Now let's compare Teresa to Elene. Not much to say except that she was totally outmatched. So much so that she admitted to knowing that, had Priscilla not been with them, they would never have had a chance of completing their mission. With Priscilla, she felt that they had a very good chance of beating Teresa on the first try, but she was wrong. She only realized how much more powerful Teresa was after they had gotten wasted by her without Teresa having to release any youki. This was despite the fact that she couldn't read Priscilla so was forced to fight "normally." Teresa was also able to fight off a Priscilla that had released 70-80% of her power by only releasing enough to change the color of her eyes. I'm thinking that the only one that will become stronger than Teresa without fully awakening is Clare.

As for the new generation being able to do what Teresa does, I don't think that anyone other than Clare can do what Teresa did. She was able to see even the most minute flow of youki within the body which allowed her to basically read the future. She was actually able to sense Rafaela because she let a little bit of it slip out in the forest. Galatea is able to match her own youki with her opponents and can alter the movement of her opponents youki even if they are stronger than she is, but not if they use all their concentration to move the way they want to. So far we've seen Tabatha only being able to read youki from a distance in a way that is similar to what Galatea does.

[Negativedark]

Here's something I noticed about the Claymore ranking system. Noel and Sopia, when we first see them are bickering and almost start to fight, over who number 3 is and who number 4 is. When Priscilla shows up, one of them got ready to fight her for the rank. So it seems that Claymores can fight to determine who gets what rank.

[Jinx626]

What i don't understand is how the group survived after being knocked unconscious and playing "dead"? From my understanding from translations they eat the pill, then get knocked out somehow (i assume by fighting awaken beings in their last stand scene in volume 11), then effects of the pill will kick in thus resulting in their yoma energy to be non-existent thus considered "dead"when in reality they are unconscious.

However, they are surrounded by awaken beings while in this "unconscious/dead state" and i am pretty sure that some of them will probably want to eat some guts even if its a not so tasty claymore. As evident from other chapters awaken beings do eat. Of course one could discount my ramblings and say they just got lucky and them awaken beings were full from eating their other comrades or just didn't want to to eat them. Or i am missing something very simple?

[cors8]

What i don't understand is how the group survived after being knocked unconscious and playing "dead"? From my understanding from translations they eat the pill, then get knocked out somehow (i assume by fighting awaken beings), then effects of the pill will kick in. However, they are surrounded by awaken beings and i am pretty sure that some of them will probably want to eat some guts even if its a not so tasty claymore. As evident from other chapters awaken beings do eat.

Well Claymore's have yoma flesh in them and awakened beings don't like the taste of it so....

[Xellos-_^]

What i don't understand is how the group survived after being knocked unconscious and playing "dead"? From my understanding from translations they eat the pill, then get knocked out somehow (i assume by fighting awaken beings in their last stand scene in volume 11), then effects of the pill will kick thus resulting in their yoma energy to be non-existent thus considered "dead"when in reality they are unconscious.

However, they are surrounded by awaken beings while in this u"nconscious/dead state" and i am pretty sure that some of them will probably want to eat some guts even if its a not so tasty claymore. As evident from other chapters awaken beings do eat. Of course one could discount my ramblings and say they just got lucky and them awaken beings were full from eating their other comrades or just didn't want to to eat them.

Claymores are half yoma's so thier flesh taste like another Yoma. Which makes thier flesh taste horrible. Awakens can still eat it but it would be like you eating your least favorite food when waiting a bit will be feast of your favorites. ie humans when they reach the South or the West.

[Jinx626]

Claymores are half yoma's so thier flesh taste like another Yoma. Which makes thier flesh taste horrible. Awakens can still eat it but it would be like you eating your least favorite food when waiting a bit will be feast of your favorites. ie humans when they reach the South or the West.

I guess.....seems a bit too convenient. Heck if i was hungry even my most unfavorite food can taste pretty darn good. I am just going to say that they simply got lucky aka plot armour. :heh:

[Xellos-_^]

I guess.....seems a bit too convenient. Heck if i was hungry even my most unfavorite food can taste pretty darn good. I am just going to say that they simply got lucky aka plot armour. :heh:

If they were really Hungry sure they would but since they weren't that hungry then why eat something that taste bad?

[Straywolf]

I think more than being "hungry" they obsessed to satisfy a "craving" for guts. Claymores barely need to eat, so I would assume awakened barely need that kind of physical substanance. Not like guts are very nutritious anyways :p

[herbert]

I have a question about the swords on the Mountain that make the alter.

From the summaries I read, Claris only reported 17 swords to the counci as being on the memorial, which is all fine and dandy. Then, the council says something about her implying 7 Claymore's surviving. So my question is this.

Why did they not say 8 Claymores surviving? Cause in all truth, there were 25, not 24, swords that should have been there, as Undine was a dual wielder. So, did they assume she would be one of the survivors, if in fact there was a chance of any? Or did they not know she was a dual wielder? Just something that has been bugging me.
Sorry to response an old post.

Claris says there are 17 swords so should be 7 surviving, organization men say nothing about how many claymores are alive if only 17 swords there. Obvious Claris knows nothing about if there was dual wielder among those 24 claymore sent to Northland and just assume one claymore has only one sword. Org men never bother to do the calculation, they just discuss how should they do with the possibility of that some claymores may survive from 7 years ago.

[lousy]

What i don't understand is how the group survived after being knocked unconscious and playing "dead"? From my understanding from translations they eat the pill, then get knocked out somehow (i assume by fighting awaken beings in their last stand scene in volume 11), then effects of the pill will kick in thus resulting in their yoma energy to be non-existent thus considered "dead"when in reality they are unconscious.

However, they are surrounded by awaken beings while in this "unconscious/dead state" and i am pretty sure that some of them will probably want to eat some guts even if its a not so tasty claymore. As evident from other chapters awaken beings do eat. Of course one could discount my ramblings and say they just got lucky and them awaken beings were full from eating their other comrades or just didn't want to to eat them. Or i am missing something very simple?

imo, they were just plain lucky. I mean if you look at the miria's explanation for the pill, it was made clear (by undine) that anyone could survive, whether they were very weak or very strong, it all depends on whether they were knocked out or whether they were killed. So its all down to luck.
(which just shows how lucky the fab 4 were, everywhere they go they survive, even if its up to pure luck)

[dutchman]

imo, they were just plain lucky. I mean if you look at the miria's explanation for the pill, it was made clear (by undine) that anyone could survive, whether they were very weak or very strong, it all depends on whether they were knocked out or whether they were killed. So its all down to luck.
(which just shows how lucky the fab 4 were, everywhere they go they survive, even if its up to pure luck)

I guess as of now they will have to be called the 'Fortunate Four' instead of the 'Fabulous Four'.

[Seska]

Double post

[Seska]

Guys, if you can get your hands on vol12, most of your questions will be answered there.

Why the awakened don't like Claymore flesh, as example.and there is a big secret with Rafaela digit number and Rafaela is old. She is a generation older then teresa.


Try to find it, on the big World wide Web.

[Anh_Minh]

I don't think so.

TO turn Raki into a Claymore, he would have to know the process the Organization use to turn humans into claymores. I doubt Isley or anyone outside the organization knows the process. It is the same reason why Riful was torturing Claymores to turn them into Awakens but not making Claymores herself and then turn them into Awakens.

Since it was done to them, they have to at least know the basics. I think another reason they might not want to try is that it's a something that's time consuming and has a low rate of success. It's fine when you have an organisation to share the burden and lots of kids nobody cares about to try it on, but who's Riful going to turn to to take care of hundreds of kids? Years after years, without eating them? And that's assuming she could get her hands on hundreds of kids without someone doing something about it.

[SinsI]

A little question.
How do you think, can defensive - type Claymore give a hand to an offensive-type that lost one?
If yes, why don't the Organisation use a high-level defensive Claymore as a mass donor for all its weak numbers?

[lousy]

cant wait for more chapters to see all the news skills of the surviving seven(omg another alliteration!) claymore.
miria has her imba phantom thing, clare has her new sword-in-shealth uber fast and precise windcutter sword. imagine what'll happen to deneve,and helen.

Actually, i think it would be much better, if clare instead spent those seven years perfecting her half/part-body awakening thing. that way she would be imba, i mean, killing ligardo in 1 stroke?
of course that is quite impossible since they have to cover up their yoma energy for the 7 years.
i mean they're so imba at concealing yoma energy now,
that even riful(whos hte master at concealing yoma energy) cant even sense them.

Its because its extremely hard to regenerate a limb. Firstly it takes lots of yoma energy. infact deneve could only do it after she had partially awakened. Secondly, its impossible to regenerate a limb of the power of the offensive claymore.

[Negativedark]

A little question.
How do you think, can defensive - type Claymore give a hand to an offensive-type that lost one?
If yes, why don't the Organisation use a high-level defensive Claymore as a mass donor for all its weak numbers?

I've been wondering that. Part of it is that the organization doesn't really care too much about Claymores. Another is that the new limb may lack any special powers the original did. Notice how all the cool attacks belong to offensive types? So for example, were Helen to lose an arm and Deneve to spot her one, the arm would no longer be able to streatch. Or maybe the org does. I mean the only Claymores we see missing arms are ones who wern't in contact with the org at the time.

[Seska]

About lost limbs....

With the borrowed limbs, you must be at the same power level, to control it. If your body are lower on level, you just give your Youma energy into it, and hope it goes well. You don't have the force to control it. exception is Clare (ok, but its a good solution to explain or not? :)). So there is not such an idea to have a high Defensive Claymore be the "Limbs" mother for lower ones...

and for Clare, she trained the "basic" Quick-sword first, before she borrowed the limb from the "original" user, perhaps that is the success in here...
and just have 47 copycats claymores (learned all the same skill from the Limb mother) is not good...

[lousy]

then again.. what happened to all the rest of the claymores who lost their limbs?
I mean it cant be that all this while, as claymores go in teams to fight awakened beings, or even noob claymores killing harder yomas, that a offensive type has never lost a limb? it cant be. Or is it jsut that we havent come across that limb-losing person yet? But that cant be so also, since we saw like half hte claymores at the northern campaign and all of them have 2 hands and 2 legs.

unless the org has some way or regrowing limbs, or else those who lose limbs are immediately retired, or its just a loophole that hte mangaka overlooked?

[Seska]

Defensive types of Claymores can regenerate their Limbs faster then offensive types.The defensive ones, can use the new limbs with her full old power, while offensive ones, cannot regain their old power level with the new limbs. That's the secret. And if some offensive lost one limb, they surely take her out of duty, until she is restored. or they thrown them out, like she done with Rafaella in the past. or they send them into some "no-turn-back" missions... Problem solved...

btw, i don't hold any copyrights on our ideas. if someone wants to use them, feel free. so we support each other. You make our daily anime, we give you a hand for the script....and pls, let my AMV's live in the WWW.

[Archmagination2002]

I cant find the detailed summaries for the manga chapters 70-72.. can anyone help out on that. By the way why are you using spoilers when it is not needed since this is the Japanese thread. I am guessing that there was at most a 100 male Awakened Ones.. When the 1st Male gens awakened the Orginization most likely thought they did something wrong.. the 2nd Gens awakening would have made them suspicious.. so only a small number of males would have been used in the 3rd Gen.

I wonder where the standard Yoma/Winged Yoma come from? Anyway I find it interesting that the Organization Heads do NOT age and show other signs of not being totally human(consider that one guys head in volume 12.. wtf is up with those Vein/Stretch like marks?). Another reason why I think they don't age is because the Claymores/Awakened Ones do not.. do you really think the Organization would stand for their battle fodder to live longer than them? It would be one of the 1st things they would have attempted... to live forever without the Yoma side effects.

I personally think that the Orginization is the de-facto rulers of the world. They balance how many Claymores are made(They are quite capable of making a lot more Claymores than they actually do), kill Yoma's only when paid by humans(taxes) and try to limit the Awakened Ones without killing them all.(Too useful in killing off troublesome Claymores) They are basicly farming both the humans and Yoma's to support their lifestyle.

I think the Orginization may have changed their fundamental battle system a little.
In Clares generation Claymores worked individually in there assigned areas unless they got called into an Awakened One hunt.
In this new generation there is a lot more overlap due to the North being abandoned and it wouldn't suprise me if a lot of Claymores now worked in pairs.
With the news that Awakened Ones are hunted as soon as they are found now means that the single digits are always fighting in almost permanent groups against them.(Hence the reason why their techniques are not as strong, because of the other Claymores support) Fighting the Awakened also means a lot of Claymore's are dying.. high turn over mean more inexperienced Claymores which means more deaths and less time to develop more powerful techniques.(By the way it also means the the Orginization is very happy.. remember that comment they made about what a good Claymore to them is?)

[Claymore_Obsessed]

I think more than being "hungry" they obsessed to satisfy a "craving" for guts. Claymores barely need to eat, so I would assume awakened barely need that kind of physical substanance. Not like guts are very nutritious anyways :p

yes, something similar to Ryuk from Death Note, obsessed with apples because they are yummy, even if he doesn't really need to eat....


by the way, am I mistaken or offensive types are far more in number than defensive type?
I could only think of Denev, Galatea and I am told also Veronica, Cynthia and Yuma are defensive type... they look outnumbered:heh:

[Seska]

small Sidenote: We are now up to date with english language of the manga... Yes c72...

find it, on the World wide Web...

[Defiled one]

I have read it, now I sooooo want to know...the conspiracy!!!;_;

[Seska]

Keep cool, enjoy the Anime in the meantime :)

[Crystal_Method]

Yeah you should definitely get rid of that link. And also get rid of the website name, people can find out on their own, and if they can't, they don't deserve to know.

Anyway, anyone else other than me extremely anxious to see how Raki looks and how strong he has gotten.

I mean it's been 7 years since he has been with Isley!! He has to look more manly and stronger now. Or better yet, maybe some development went on between him and priscilla during the 7 years... :naughty:
Also, what conspiracy are you guys talking about, if you don't mind telling. I don't remember anything about a conspiracy after reading the last few chapters.

[Anh_Minh]

Raki's only been with Isley for a year, actually. Six years ago, he became Priscilla's breakfast.

OK, probably not. But you never know!

[Key Board]

Don't be mean.

He's married to Priscilla with several children. Well.. assuming demonspawn from hell passes as children

[passenger]

IMHO i dont believe he got strong enough to help clare. but i believe he is a skilled swordsman by now

[Xellos-_^]

As long as he is human, the only role Raki plays in the storline will be as a distraction to either Claire or Priscilla.

[Samanosuke]

As long as he is human, the only role Raki plays in the storline will be as a distraction to either Claire or Priscilla.

and also being an eventual ..snack :D (i also count the case in which Claire was to awake )

[dutchman]

Raki's only been with Isley for a year, actually. Six years ago, he became Priscilla's breakfast.

OK, probably not. But you never know!

Don't be mean.

He's married to Priscilla with several children. Well.. assuming demonspawn from hell passes as children

As long as he is human, the only role Raki plays in the storline will be as a distraction to either Claire or Priscilla.

and also being an eventual ..snack :D (i also count the case in which Claire was to awake )

LOL I see the Raki love is still going strong. Poor guy even when out of the picture for 7 years ;) People are still hating him. I guess the manga artist made a big mistake in not making him a MOE loli girl version:heh:

[Xellos-_^]

LOL I see the Raki love is still going strong. Poor guy even when out of the picture for 7 years ;) People are still hating him. I guess the manga artist made a big mistake in not making him a MOE loli girl version:heh:

What else can you expect form a guy who got 40% of a 200+ vote poll on who is the most annoying character in the new season :heh: Do you expect any less form a character who out poll his nearest rival by 4x the votes :eyebrow:

[Samanosuke]

lol , don't get me wrong , i don't hate raki at all . In reality i like him and i find it hard to understand why people hate him..since he basically..hasn't done anything...to deserve that hatred . Sure he is powerless and useless , but i believe we'd all be if we where in his place .
I actually have high hopes for him to become GAR.
You know it's like everyone hates Shiro , but we all love Archer .

[Xellos-_^]

lol , don't get me wrong , i don't hate raki at all . In reality i like him and i find it hard to understand why people hate him..since he basically..hasn't done anything...to deserve that hatred . Sure he is powerless and useless , but i believe we'd all be if we where in his place .
I actually have high hopes for him to become GAR.
You know it's like everyone hates Shiro , but we all love Archer .

Shiro has annoying attitude but he was far form helpless. He was also not above murder if that was the only way to get the job done.

[Tempest35]

I have to say I find it amusing that if it's a shounen-based series and the protagonists are female, that the obligatory male 'sidekick/balancer' is considered 'annoying' more than half the time.

Although...


Priscilla: Raki, who do you love more? Me or that old hag over there?

Clare: YOU'RE OLDER THAN I AM!!

Raki: Uhhh, well everytime I look at you, I see Clare...

Priscilla: HOW DO I REMIND YOU OF THAT HAG!? I'M YOUNGER LOOKING THAN SHE IS! I'M LOLI-LICIOUS HERE!

Clare: I'M NOT A HAG - YOU'RE OLDER THAN I AM!! AND YOU DON'T HAVE A CHEST!!

Priscilla: AT LEAST MINE DON'T SAG, YOU COOKIE CUTTER CLAYMORE!

Clare: BETTER THAN HAVING TO DRINK ONLY KOOL-AID WHEN I GO OUT TO BARS YOU LOLI-TRAP!!

Priscilla: ...MEANIE!!

Raki: :heh: ...ah...hello? They're ignoring me...:(

Isley: :thoughtful expression: So...this is what the final battle will be eh... :smirk: Raki, there is one way to save you from this 'fate'. But first...you must swear yourself to yaoi with me forever.

Raki: :twitch:

[Xellos-_^]

I have to say I find it amusing that if it's a shounen-based series and the protagonists are female, that the obligatory male 'sidekick/balancer' is considered 'annoying' more than half the time.

Although...


Priscilla: Raki, who do you love more? Me or that old hag over there?

Clare: YOU'RE OLDER THAN I AM!!

Raki: Uhhh, well everytime I look at you, I see Clare...

Priscilla: HOW DO I REMIND YOU OF THAT HAG!? I'M YOUNGER LOOKING THAN SHE IS! I'M LOLI-LICIOUS HERE!

Clare: I'M NOT A HAG - YOU'RE OLDER THAN I AM!! AND YOU DON'T HAVE A CHEST!!

Priscilla: AT LEAST MINE DON'T SAG, YOU COOKIE CUTTER CLAYMORE!

Clare: BETTER THAN HAVING TO DRINK ONLY KOOL-AID WHEN I GO OUT TO BARS YOU LOLI-TRAP!!

Priscilla: ...MEANIE!!

Raki: :heh: ...ah...hello? They're ignoring me...:(

Isley: :thoughtful expression: So...this is what the final battle will be eh... :smirk: Raki, there is one way to save you from this 'fate'. But first...you must swear yourself to yaoi with me forever.

Raki: :twitch:


i don't think Isley swings that way except to the yaoi fan-girls(scary bunch). That reminds me, does Isely remind anyone else of Griffin?

[Tempest35]

Those are the true demons...darn yaoi-ists...:heh:

'Griffin' is making his perfect little Guts...?
...that thought is scary on about ten dimensional planes...

[Adam E]

Too bad it seems Chapter 72 got shortened a bit for ad promos for the anime.

What else can you expect form a guy who got 40% of a 200+ vote poll on who is the most annoying character in the new season :heh: Do you expect any less form a character who out poll his nearest rival by 4x the votes :eyebrow:

I've always believed Raki doesn't deserve the hate he gets; he got screwed over by having all of his most annoying scenes in the first few episodes. I like how he showed no fear when fighting Ophelia despite being completely outmatched by her.

The girls of Lucky Star annoy me more than him and I haven't even seen an episode of that show, just the opening and some pictures. Stupid moe.

You know it's like everyone hates Shiro , but we all love Archer .

Shiro never bothered me, either; he got screwed over by the anime only animating the Fate route, where he's considerably less cool in.

i don't think Isley swings that way except to the yaoi fan-girls(scary bunch). That reminds me, does Isely remind anyone else of Griffin?

No, since he's never told Raki that he wants him. Riful saying Isely is besotted with Priscilla in Volume 8 makes it difficult for me to view Isely in the same light as Griffith. Isely's interest in guts is quite different than Griffith's.

[Seska]

You have to take the possibility, that Raki wants more Power, more power then a Human can handle to protect his important person.

Right, Isely is the same as Clare and Priscilla. Ok Priscilla tops at the current time all Claymores and awakened beings.But, to transform into a Claymore, you need basically eat Youma flesh don't you?. Perhaps Isely is giving him food, that is mixed with youma flesh. How knows?... And i bet, in the end. The one this time who needs to be saved from turn into full youma, will be Raki. If my speculation turns out to be true.

[Anh_Minh]

I actually like Raki. I never even found him annoying. What I don't like are the comments more or less stating he absolutely must take back the traditional male role of kickass warrior. He's the sidekick/damsel-in-distress. Get over it, guys, it doesn't mean your balls will shrivel and die.


Also, Isley's totally a switch hitter. Have you seen his hair?

[Anh_Minh]

You have to take the possibility, that Raki wants more Power, more power then a Human can handle to protect his important person.

Right, Isely is the same as Clare and Priscilla. Ok Priscilla tops at the current time all Claymores and awakened beings.But, to transform into a Claymore, you need basically eat Youma flesh don't you?. Perhaps Isely is giving him food, that is mixed with youma flesh. How knows?... And i bet, in the end. The one this time who needs to be saved from turn into full youma, will be Raki. If my speculation turns out to be true.

I think the process is more complicated than eating youma. It requires, at the very least, surgery. You certainly don't become a Claymore without noticing.

[HinaThePrince]

LOL I see the Raki love is still going strong. Poor guy even when out of the picture for 7 years ;) People are still hating him. I guess the manga artist made a big mistake in not making him a MOE loli girl version:heh:

Hey, I like him! I find nothing annoying about him [except for that one scene where Clare said "Our life is in danger, stick to me so we can get away!" and he was all "Durr... booooobs...."]. He was a cute, weak but brave kid and I feel that he has actually matured over time. Now, in the anime, they made the horrid mistake of using his later character design and keeping his personality the same. Result -- ANNOYING.


But, to transform into a Claymore, you need basically eat Youma flesh don't you?. Perhaps Isely is giving him food, that is mixed with youma flesh. How knows?... And i bet, in the end. The one this time who needs to be saved from turn into full youma, will be Raki. If my speculation turns out to be true.

Of course not. Turning into a Claymore is a long, complicated and painful process which involves, as I recall Teresa saying, cutting someone open, taking out their vital organs and replacing them with a Youma's. Or something among these lines.

And lmao, Tempest. Brilliant.

[lousy]

Hey, I like him! I find nothing annoying about him [except for that one scene where Clare said "Our life is in danger, stick to me so we can get away!" and he was all "Durr... booooobs...."]. He was a cute, weak but brave kid and I feel that he has actually matured over time. Now, in the anime, they made the horrid mistake of using his later character design and keeping his personality the same. Result -- ANNOYING.




Of course not. Turning into a Claymore is a long, complicated and painful process which involves, as I recall Teresa saying, cutting someone open, taking out their vital organs and replacing them with a Youma's. Or something among these lines.

And lmao, Tempest. Brilliant.

Definitely. I mean, you know the horrible deformed tummy that claymore's have? its probably like the hole where the surgery was done, where hte yoma flesh was like surgically inserted into the body. Or at least thats what i speculate.

But you never know the kind of experiments that isley may do. I mean, why did he take raki in in the first place? And even to train him.(and if i dint remember wrongly, he also said something about likely raki's resolve or something). its possible that he wants to train him, make him stronger, then use him. either as some uber yoma(through experimentation or something), or maybe use him as like, a super-warrior without yoki. thats imba.

[dee32]

I'm having trouble figuring out Rubel? At the end of scene 63 he tells Galatea to run. He also tells her the secrets behind the creation of Alica and Beth. When Claris made her report to the organization about finding 17 claymore swords in the north. He's the only one that believes that there are survivors from the northern campaign. Though he doesn't say that our loud. He even goes onto speculate that Miria is one of those survivors. I think he is the only one in the organization who truly care about the claymores. I think in the coming scenes he will meet Miria's group face to face.

Should Helen still be able to streach her arms or does doing that use yoma energy?

[lousy]

yea and isnt he the one who added clare to the suicide squad? (or does he actually think that they can kill the male awakened?). Though i actually doubt that he cares about the claymores. its more like he understands how they think/will think.

About helen, we wont actually know until we see her new skills(and deneve's). Technically, miria's phantom would use yoma energy also, and so would clare's quicksword(even if she used flora's windcutter it should also use yoma energy). Since her stretching was her distinctive ability(together the miria's and clare's abovementioned abilities), im guessing she would retain it. Probably some new stretching combo skill or something.

Having trouble guessing deneve's though. Since she's a defensive type, her only distinctive ability is the uber fast regeneration. Or maybe she learnt some skill with her dual swords, probably some skill inspired from undine. Or maybe she learnt instant regen. or something.

[Archmagination2002]

Rubel is an interesting character.. he seems to be trusted with most if not all of the secrets of the Organization and he seems to have his pulse on the Claymores secrets too.

He seems to be very loyal to the Organization but its like he doesn't approve of what they are doing with some of the Claymores so he deliberately seems to manipulate those Claymores into action.(Clare, Jean, Galatea and Raphaela are good examples of manipulation by him)

[lousy]

we dont know if he was told to manipulate those Claymores or whether he decided to do so without the organisation's consent.
I think thats what makes him so dangerous and suspicious. Is he on the claymore's side, or the organisation's? If he knows their secrets, what is the motives for his actions?

[Tempest35]

About helen, we wont actually know until we see her new skills(and deneve's). Technically, miria's phantom would use yoma energy also, and so would clare's quicksword(even if she used flora's windcutter it should also use yoma energy). Since her stretching was her distinctive ability(together the miria's and clare's abovementioned abilities), im guessing she would retain it. Probably some new stretching combo skill or something.

Well, she did Jean's drill sword like it was nothing in one scene so I'm guessing combining the Drill Blade along with her Stretch Armstrong - that would make for a very impressive attack.


Having trouble guessing deneve's though. Since she's a defensive type, her only distinctive ability is the uber fast regeneration. Or maybe she learnt some skill with her dual swords, probably some skill inspired from undine. Or maybe she learnt instant regen. or something.

She's the Tanker of the group. If you split them up like a party in an RPG, Deneve's very close to that kind of ability. That and I bet that she can also do the same trick that Undine did and pump more youki into her arms and upper body to deliver a more powerful attack. Of course, that's just speculation.


As for Rubel, he'll help the Seven eventually.
We have to come up for a name for Clare's group - their new uniforms totally owns the old Claymore outfits. :D

[HinaThePrince]

We have to come up for a name for Clare's group - their new uniforms totally owns the old Claymore outfits. :D

Isn't there already The Magnificent Seven? :P

[Tempest35]

Isn't there already The Magnificent Seven? :P

Man that's gaudy - sounds like a name that Helen would come up with and the other six would bash her head in for it. :p They still consider themselves as Claymores though, just 'dead' to the Organization. They are free - doing what they want to do which is revenge on the Organization and in Clare's case, on Isely and Priscilla.

Y'know, I kinda want to see just how dramatic would the balance of power shift if the Seven + Gatalea joined up with Riful against the Organization's Alice and remaining Claymores, and Isely & Priscilla?

[lousy]

Well, she did Jean's drill sword like it was nothing in one scene so I'm guessing combining the Drill Blade along with her Stretch Armstrong - that would make for a very impressive attack.


oh right. though we cant exactly confirm it was the drill sword, but, her commander was Jean right? So i guess yea, drill sword it is.

I think that the Seven + Gatalea + Riful would own alicia flat. though they'll probably face trouble from the the other claymores while doing so.

As for Isley and priscilla, not really. Maybe if galatea mastered her control yoki power ability.. then they would stand a chance?

[dee32]

Isn't there already The Magnificent Seven? :P

I thought they were called the seven ghosts.

No, Jean wasn't Helen's commander it was #11 Veronica.

[Nightengale]

Priscilla's pretty much at the very least as strong as 2 Abyssal Ones, that just for a chance to win, it required Luciela and Riful to work together, and even that's no guarantee.

Alicia, Easley, Riful's pretty much supposingly the same level, but Alicia seems to have the handicap of Beth's mental stress, meaning it probably can't stay extremely long...and apparently Easley and Luciela fought for a long time.

The Half-Awakened 4 (( those 3 suck, especially Yuma )) individually seems to be around old-school single digit level...without releasing Yoma energy. So, they're pretty much all like a weaker Rafaela, but sadly we never saw Rafaela do anything with her yoma power besides a backbreaker.

Well, the issue is that we don't know for sure how large are the gaps between #1 with #2 with #3 depending on the situation. Riful for one's wayyyy more powerful than #3 Daf, but apparently Ligardo had some confidence in beating Easley, and we don't know how bad he got his ass lancered, otherwise Awakened Clare seems easily an Abyssal level.

Well, we know this new Claymore generation suck to say the least.