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Pellissier
2007-05-04, 11:53
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What i expect from this ep is for some not-so-pleasant events for our protagonists that will involve the hunter. Him taking notice of Yorito and the episode title seems to hint at that. Perhaps we will get to hear something about Aono's upcoming discharge as well. (Face it - she won't be sitting in the hospital for all the series :heh: ).
Overall, i think this ep will be more gloomy then the previous ones, and will focus on Matsuri and the mystery surrounding her (To some extent).
Can't wait for my weekly Sola dosage >.<
Dreaming of Kalissa
2007-05-04, 20:05
Well, I'm inclined to think that this ep will still be the calm before the storm, but this time focusing on Matsuri, Takeshi and Mayuko, seeing as how ep 4 ended. There's also a high likelihood that Aono will be discharged this ep, I think.
Omniscient
2007-05-04, 20:31
Episode 05 Screencaps and Summary (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2007/05/04/sola-05/)
I really liked the episode, which is helped along greatly by an intense battle between Matsuri and Tsujidou Takeshi. Seeing Aono's reaction to hearing about Matsuri from Koyori also makes me really interested in how much she loves her brother and what's going to happen from here.
I see blood!
Also...
PONYTAIL! OMG! PONYTAIL!
Nyargh! Can't wait to watch to the RAW!
*paces about impatiently*
:mad:
blitz1/2
2007-05-04, 22:15
I see Seed mode Matsuri!
Aono doesn't get discharged in this ep, but I think it is inevitable that she will. Either that or she will sneak out of the hospital based on what happened at the end of this ep.
Kaoru Chujo
2007-05-04, 23:13
Like two episodes in one. Both quite well done.The first half was gentle deepening of the emotional bonds between Yorito and Matsuri. I was just settling in my own mind that the inaction was okay. Then we get what the end of ep4 made us expect: the hunter coming after Matsuri.
Well done Hitchcockian surprise at first that it wasn't the hunter. Then the real thing. Although I knew Matsuri had to survive (this time), I didn't see quite how. Her going outside was a surprise. Her seed mode was a surprise after it had seemed that she had no weapons left.
Her willingness to die was moving. Yorito's willingness to die was amazing. At one level, hard to understand. At another, quite natural, considering how close they had drifted on the lake. The similarity between his willingness to defend Matsuri and the hunter's to defend the loli-in-a-trashcan was good.
Yorito had better ask Matsuri who the hunter is, and why. I want to know. Did she kill his family? Did she not? Why didn't she kill the hunter? Why does he "need" her life? What will Aono ask Yorito? Probably nothing. What will Yorito tell her? Probably not yet. But I do look forward to Matsuri-Yorito becoming even deeper.
I thought the animation could have been better, generally. But Yorito's face glaring at the hunter was good.
Definitely will get a 10 from me....though I haven't watch it yet.
:) muahahhaha.
Wow looks like a good ep! Can't wait to see it. :D
I can visualize scores of otakus swooning at the sight of the ponytail. I wonder what Kyon would have said about Matsuri's appearance. For some, I fear the combination of cute new dress, ponytail, and Mamiko may be too much to handle. Man, the animators are not holding anything back to raise Moe ratings. Many things happened, in a way we have already guessed. That's not a bad thing, for our guess was in line of what would be most likely development from the informations given to us. Still, one short shot of Aono in the end, just totally made me more concerned about what she will do, than anything else. And as we have already guessed from the dialogue from ep. 2, there is something very important Takeshi and Mayuko do not agree upon.
Omniscient
2007-05-05, 01:29
Still, one short shot of Aono in the end, just totally made me more concerned about what she will do, than anything else.
Do you perhaps mean that she will pull a Kaede?
Do you perhaps mean that she will pull a Kaede?
Who knows?
Owaranai Destiny
2007-05-05, 01:38
Do you perhaps mean that she will pull a Kaede?
That kinda makes me wonder...If it is what some people make the shock she got about Matsuri out to be, is she blood related to Yorito? Then again, perhaps she's just simply surprised or might even have known Matsuri sometime back.
The one bad thing about a slow unravelling of the past...It just makes you want to know all about it all the more.:eyespin:
Let's think basics. You have a 16 year old boy having a girl live in their house, without asking for approval to his only surviving family member. That doesn't sound good, and most people will be thinking something that is related to word "Ecchi!"
*sigh*
Spoiled myself and looked at the screenshots. First though - ZOMG, ponytail!!1
*cough*
That important thought aside, looks like a very eventful episode. And is it me, or does it look like Matsuri is walking outside, even though it is fairly bright ? Unless it is so cloudy that the sun doesn't get through.
About Aono ... she will either become much less than happy about Matsuri ("Stealing" Yorito away fro her and all that other Kaede related stuff). Or she might become friends with her - both of them certainly know the feeling of loneliness, and that is what brought Aono and Koyori together.
Let's think basics. You have a 16 year old boy having a girl live in their house, without asking for approval to his only surviving family member. That doesn't sound good, and most people will be thinking something that is related to word "Ecchi!"
*shrug* nothing wrong with 16 year olds and "ecchi" related stuff. (even though that isn't the case here). And Yorito certainly doesn't need any one's approval to get himself a girlfriend :heh:
*goes to sulk in a corner while waiting for subs*
It seems Takeshi isn't much unlike Yorito.
Great episode this week. The art style seems to change slightly from episode to episode, but I suppose that's normal. I felt one of the songs didn't fit within my tastes; hardly impacts the experience though. Also, a small animation segment was drastically lower resolution than usual, but it's minor. On the story side, things are finally beginning to come together. It's very quickly presented but very well played out--it should be a welcome change from those who didn't like last episode.
@Skyfall: Yup. It's reiterated in this episode; so long as she isn't in direct sunlight, she's just fine.
Her asking whether Yorito likes rain is an important recurring question. In the end he comes to like it a bit more--you'll know why when you see the episode.
Telliamed
2007-05-05, 02:42
Transcoding as I type this, but I spotted a few of the frames and I have one thing to say...Kyon would approve!
(It was already said, but I'm didn't read spoilers.)
I have a feeling this is going to reduce me to a quivering bob of goo for the rest of the weekend. Curse you Sola! Why must you be so damned enjoyable!
Okay... That wasn't as difficult as I expected. Those first couple images had me worried. Still a big swing of the emotional pendulum. I'm having a hard time figuring out how I feel about Takeshi. Whether I should see him as the scared little boy from the flashback, or as the bitter, enraged man that comes later, or the patient, compassionate friend he is to Mayuko.
I can visualize scores of otakus swooning at the sight of the ponytail. I wonder what Kyon would have said about Matsuri's appearance. For some, I fear the combination of cute new dress, ponytail, and Mamiko may be too much to handle.
Yup. We need to notify the Japan Ponytail Society. Maybe we can get Noto Mamiko nominated for the 2007 Ponytail Award.
I wonder if that dress is one she got from Mana, though. It looks rather old-fashioned and may be something Matsuri already had. She looks lovely in it, in any case.
Only problem with this episode is there was only one scene with Mana. It's too bad, because that blouse is really cute.
Deathkillz
2007-05-05, 04:25
omg awesome ep! :D
from the first scene we see an insight into the hunter's reasons for being the way he is ~ and i feel that its one of those instances again where hes trying to get revenge on matsuri's clan rather than herself ~ its still a mystery as to when hes carrying around the loli but something tells me that she is going to be a key one day rather than just being idle all the time ~ but i really like the father/daugther thing they have going there :3
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/605/snapshot20070505101037nt3.th.jpg (http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20070505101037nt3.jpg) http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/374/snapshot20070505101052ye1.th.jpg (http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20070505101052ye1.jpg)
more matsuri and yurito relationship/bond building ~ and matsuri cleaning out the store of that weird tomato juice :heh: they decide to go take a walk outside when it was cloudy (only time possible for matsuri is when the sun is blocked out by the clouds) ~ and well it seems that matsuri likes playing pranks :heh:
and before i forget to mention...OMG!! ponytail!!!! :D
even though that some of their convosations are pointless overall it does serve the purpose of building up a bond ~ i just love the scene where they nearly fell off the boat and yorito had to grip her :3 anyone would fall for a guy who shows intent in providing security ~ and as the gaze off into the unbrella and fantasize it becomes clear that they are born to be with each other ^_^
koyori infiltrates into the household while yorito was visiting aono ~ which at first was made to look like the hunter guy...and so we have another meeting between main characters :) and its quite the sweet meeting with matsuri saving her life :heh: and my my dont they just looks cute together ^_^
but then the hunter really comes...he ruthlessly attacks matsuri with light producting darts...how it pains me to see matsuri getting hurt like that :( she gets corneres as the Takeshi shows no sign of backing off ~ she even at one point give up hope...and i say again...i hate seeing girls suffer!!! T_T
but she comes to with the help of the sky ceiling and grips Takeshi ~ she then used her powers of corrosion on his arm but she stopped while not aiming to cause any major damage...
she escapes outside and gets weakened even more...takeshi catches up and goes for the final blow but yorito takes the cut...telling matsuri that he will protect her we see a flashback by takeshi to when he was protecting the loli (not the one dead before) ~ she leaves after hearing her call and matsuri asks yorito if he likes the rain...bad vibes here as she faints :(
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4902/snapshot20070505102204yo9.th.jpg (http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20070505102204yo9.jpg) http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5295/snapshot20070505102231qz5.th.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20070505102231qz5.jpg)
meanwhile aono can feel distress...does she have some powers as well? :twitch:
overall it was an amazing ep...from the calm to the storm this is what ive been waiting for...as things go one im getting of of a feeling that things arent going to be forgiving :(
takeshi obviously has a good reason for hunting matsuri...from the first flashback we can already see that someone important to him has died and with the second flashback i can say that he saved loli tan knowing that he cannot let another soul die...and inspite seeing that in yorito's determination to save matsuri he becomes hesitant...boy things are getting interesting :D
lightbringer
2007-05-05, 11:41
This week completely redeemed last week's embarrassing episode :D The date in the rain was really cute, and Yorito finally took a hit for his beloved vampire/woe/whatever she is. I'm not sure what will be scarier: Aono chewing out Yorito for her presence or ignoring him.
Do you perhaps mean that she will pull a Kaede?
Maybe she'll pull a Shion, Higurashi style.
Schneizel
2007-05-05, 13:44
Loli in a trash can. o_o!
To make a long story short:
Things pretty much hit the fan right now.
That bastard....
should pay a pound of flesh for every dollar it takes to replace those curtains. Not to mention Yorito's hospital bill for his back getting slashed. :mad:
Matsuri should have taken his arm off. She needs to show him no mercy. Reduce him to a pile of ashes. Her face almost reminded me of Shion when she first saw him. Matsuri in SEED mode ftw! :)
On a positive side... The date was soooo cute. :D
octoberasian
2007-05-06, 00:55
First off*: (I just had to do it :D )
* Not responsible if any of you faint at the following sight. :P
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/blue_ashlyn/sola/matsuri_reaching_out.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/blue_ashlyn/sola/matsuri_ponytail.jpg
Matsuri looks absolutely beautiful with her hair up in a ponytail. :blush: :love:
I would love it if anyone can make a sig out of one of the better shots of her in a ponytail.
Now, let's run down the list of "Matsuri moments" in Ep.5:
- Grabbing practically all the Tomato Juice she loves and putting it in the basket LOL XD
- Playing a practical joke on a random person's house :innocent:
- Taking Yorito on an "impromptu" date started by asking Yorito: Ame suki? (Do you like the rain?)
- Laying out all those clothes out in the living room :confused:
- Going SEED mode on the site of seeing Takeshi break into Yorito's house:
Matsuri: How dare you break into Yorito's house!
*Activate Matsuri alarm system*
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/blue_ashlyn/sola/matsuri_angry_smal.gif
(Sorry for the choppy .GIF animation. >_<)Regardless, I'd wish I was in Yorito's shoes. Even I would risk my life for another person I like so much.
After watching this episode, it looks like we have a somewhat incomplete picture of Matsuri:
- She likes Tomato Juice
- She likes the color purple
- She likes the rain (like me ^^)
- She likes to fix things with a swift kick... (#-.-)
- She's a Yaka or "woe of the night" (which hasn't been explained fully)
Like two episodes in one. Both quite well done.The first half was gentle deepening of the emotional bonds between Yorito and Matsuri. I was just settling in my own mind that the inaction was okay. Then we get what the end of ep4 made us expect: the hunter coming after Matsuri.
It does feel like two episodes in one. One half was a rather touching and calm moment; just the two of them alone together, which makes me believe that Yorito will more than likely fall for Matsuri (if he already hasn't by now). Then, we get the second half of the episode, where we see Matsuri fight for her life and willing to die. But, seeing Yorito dash out in front of her to risk his life for hers, was just something I did expect coming. It was heroic, though foolish; gallant and brave, coming in like that to save her.
Stepping back to the first scene, I believe that the one on the floor that bled to death is Takeshi's sister or close relative. I still haven't put a finger on Mayuko, other than that she and Takeshi have known each other since childhood. However, one grew older and the other did not. Why? Everything seems to be, sooner or later, be revolving around Matsuri and her past. Hopefully more will be explained.
That kinda makes me wonder...If it is what some people make the shock she got about Matsuri out to be, is she blood related to Yorito? Then again, perhaps she's just simply surprised or might even have known Matsuri sometime back.
I'm thinking this...
If Aono is blood-related to Yorito...
... does she like him?
... does she have a brother-sister complex ala "Koi Kaze" or "Boku wa Imouto ni Koi Wo Suru"?
If Aono is not blood-related to Yorito...
... was she showing hints of jealously in the last scene?
... (like above) does she harbor unexpressed feelings for him?
(Similar to Nemu and Juinichi in "Da Capo" or Kaede and Rin in "Shuffle.")
The look of Aono from Ep.4 then to Ep.5 is something quite not expected out of her calm and unexpressive exterior. It does look like she might pull a "Kaede" on Yorito. I don't think it's because of something so simple as her not giving Yorito permission to have someone live in the house. It can't be.
I hope the later episodes explain more, especially why Aono reacted that way at the mere mention of Matsuri's name that she's staying in the house. There has to be something more to that. Could the two have a related past? Who knows?
*waits in anticipation...*
Owaranai Destiny
2007-05-06, 05:19
That bastard....
should pay a pound of flesh for every dollar it takes to replace those curtains. Not to mention Yorito's hospital bill for his back getting slashed. :mad:
Matsuri should have taken his arm off. She needs to show him no mercy. Reduce him to a pile of ashes. Her face almost reminded me of Shion when she first saw him. Matsuri in SEED mode ftw! :)
On a positive side... The date was soooo cute. :D
I thought it was a rather good portrayal of his determination to take Matsuri down for whatever reason...
He did say something about taking Matsuri's life because he needed it, not because she 'was a bane of existence to people'. At least that was the vibe I got. Apparently it might have something to do with the girl that laid dying on the floor in one of his flashbacks.
I hardly ever give perfect 10s for episodes but this one deserves it. The first half was so comforting and calm, it literally brought peace to my heart, only to shatter it in the second one. Absolutely awesome.
Deathkillz
2007-05-06, 06:08
I thought it was a rather good portrayal of his determination to take Matsuri down for whatever reason...
He did say something about taking Matsuri's life because he needed it, not because she 'was a bane of existence to people'. At least that was the vibe I got. Apparently it might have something to do with the girl that laid dying on the floor in one of his flashbacks.
actually i thought that he that matsuri is an threat to people around her and so decides to take her out...still little have comfirmed as to why hs doing it but i also think that its in connection with the...
girl in his flashback ~
as i see it there are few options as to why hes hunting matsuri ~
1) matsuri was the reason why that girl died...
2) a person who is like matsuri (thinking that if she isnt unique ie there are other vampires out there) killed the girl and hes just trying to exterminate the whole race as revenge ~
3) its a misunderstanding and he will soon find out that hes making a huge mistake...
sapphire-pyro
2007-05-06, 09:38
I haven't seen the eppie yet *downloading RAW xD* but from spoilers, being a huge Yorito x Matsuri fan, I'm sure tha I'll be loving this episode xD Putting my love for my fave couple in this series aside, the art and story development in this eppie was really great :) It makes you want to crave for what will happen next and also demand for explanations of some things revealed in this episodes. Really nice :D
I can't wait for the subs *_* Please come soon!!!! xD
H.264 HD Sola 5 out from Doremi-fansubs.
What... an extremeley confusing episode. Not enough Mana though. 9/10.
After watching ep 5...
I just realise there's this one aspect I like about sola. It is that the writer is not stingy in giving the "supposed bad guys" equal treatment with the unpretentious character-to-character interactions and day-to-day banterings. Perhaps... or is it pretty obvious by now that it's a deliberate move to not protray Mayuko and Takashi as too villainous when they are really the victims and it was Matsuri who did them a huge wrong. But either way, I'm enjoying the little snipplets into their time which gave us an idea of the bonds they share. One can tell that they are only together because they care and that either person can not live alone as it is in each other that they find the strength to live on. Well something like that.
Btw... I strongly suspect the girl in the pool of blood to be Mayuko heself.
Perhaps... or is it pretty obvious by now that it's a deliberate move to not protray Mayuko and Takashi as too villainous when they are really the victims and it was Matsuri who did them a huge wrong.
Yes, I also thought of the possibility already, that it isn't them but Matsuri who is at fault here, whatever them wanting to kill her is about anyway. It's not that unlikely I suppose. Actually though, if I had to guess I'd say that nobody's really "at fault".
I don't think there were any definite clues though, we'll just have to wait until everything unfolds. ^^
Indeed a very nice ep.
That girl in the pool of blood... i think she might be our rozen-loli herself. It is obvious that Takashi and Mayuko disagree with the way the situation(?) with Matsuri has to be dealt with - seems like Mayuko wants to talk to her, while Takashi wants to kill her.
Crackshot theory on Mayuko/Matsuri. I am going to assume that Matsuri has the ability to turn people in to beings similar to her for the theory to work.
According to Matsuri, she is pretty tough to kill/heals fast. We saw Mayuko in a pool of blood... perhaps she was deadly injured/close to death, and in order to save her Matsuri ended up turning her in to a "creature" similar to herself. (Would also explain why Mayuko looks just like the girl we saw in the flashback 17 years ago - if Matsuri is any indicator, she doesn't age at all, so we can safely assume that the "time stops" for the person the moment he/she is changed.
Maybe Matsuri ended up feeling afterwards, and never got to speak with Mayuko - hence the reason why Mayuko wants to talk with her - perhaps she wants to ask why Matsuri did it. Seems like Takashi is a childhood friend of Mayuko's ... and it seems all he has in mind is to kill Matsuri for turning Mayuko in a "monster".
... or something like that :eyespin:
Matsuri + ponytail = pure win! Cuteness overdose at its finest. Lots of Matsuri x Yorito moments this episode. Their date was cute as well... especially the boat part, when Matsuri ended up rowing the boat :heh:
They sure got me with Koyori's visit - i was dead certain it was the Takashi >.<
Ponytail!
Takashi needs to die >.< How dare he hurt Matsuri like that (he even had an evil laugh)... he asked why Matsuri didn't kill him... well, i was thinking the same thing - i would love to see him turn in to a smoking pile of rust or w/e on the floor. I hope that the damage to his arm is permanent at least. Speaking of which...just how many of those darts he carries around ? 0_o ... the amount he was throwing seemed kinda absurd.
Yorito saving Matsuri... as expected. Mana showing up and finding demolished house/beat up Matsuri/bleeding Yorito = not expected. I wonder how will he explain everything (Or will he lie... conveniently it started to rain, so he can get Matsuri to safety with relative ease).
That look on Aono's face... i am fully expecting her to pull a Kaede on us now >.< She looked freaked out just by the fact that there was a girl other than Mana in Yorito's home >.< ... i smell more crap incoming the next ep, this time from Aono's side.
Ponytail!
One nitpick about the ep - was it me, or did the character designs seem a bit off this week ?
9/10
... and allow me to brood over the complete lack of avatarable Matsuri scenes this ep :sad:
Telliamed
2007-05-06, 16:33
Lunar Subs are out... I thought this was kinda funny.
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7199/sola5mierugz0.jpg
:p Just kidding.
I can't decided how to score this episode. I kinda like it, but there are some technical reasons to mark it down. The artwork does seem problematic, and it's inconsistent: Matsuri stepping into the boat was nice, but them walking on the hill was rough. And the music at the end is annoying.
What this part of the story makes me think of is a musical technique of foreshadowing. (I think there's a specific term musicians use, but I haven't been able to recall it.) In one movement the composer will briefly insert the theme for the next movement, then return to the first theme to finish out. The end of the episode is not the beginning of the intense part of the story, there's still too many things to work through before we can get there. What's Takeshi's backstory? How will Aono react to Matsuri? Will Mana start feeling stronger for Yorito with Matsuri threatening to take him away for her?
This episode is the hook that will hang us in suspense until the climax.
fiberOptiC
2007-05-06, 17:01
H.264 HD Sola 5 out from Doremi-fansubs.
What... an extremeley confusing episode. Not enough Mana though. 9/10.
Since when did the discussion thread turn into a release advertisement thread? ;)
I liked this episode. I must say, whats with all the crazy lolis? First we had a loli in a box, now a loli in a trashcan. Oscar must be happy.
Since when did the discussion thread turn into a release advertisement thread? ;)
I fail to notice the problem.
I really hope Aono doesn't pull a Kaede though, that would be quite detrimental to the series' plot progression.
Then again, I'm still mighty confused on just what kind of plot is going on in Sola, hopefully episode 6 will explain more. (Damn those episode previews not giving any indication on what the hell is going on).
Shiori-chan
2007-05-06, 17:40
wonder why Aono her face is strange at the end if she hears matsuri her name/ other girl in house
fiberOptiC
2007-05-06, 17:53
I fail to notice the problem.
It was a joke.... :heh:
Areguzanda
2007-05-06, 17:53
don't know what people have against the music in this episode.
I thought especially the music in this episode was good.
I just love the piano pieces.:)
(XviD and h246. Version of subs out from LunarAnime)
just following the previous advertisment :heh:
wonder why Aono her face is strange at the end if she hears matsuri her name/ other girl in house
Like it was said before 16 yo boy + girl in house alone = ecchi. :heh:
Wouldn't you be surprised/shocked too that your brother turned your house into a love hotel while you were in the hospital?
*thinks to herself* That's why I didn't get a present today. Gee, didn't he look a little too happy visiting today. I'm being replaced by Matsuri. Noooooooo! Something like that. ;)
I still think that Matsuri should have taken Takeshi out. Reduce him to a pile of ashes. :)
Deathkillz
2007-05-06, 17:58
^ matsuri is smart on this one...she specifically said "no ecchi" on the first meeting XD
wonder why Aono her face is strange at the end if she hears matsuri her name/ other girl in house
ive mentioned this before but this could be a special skill that aono has ~ perhaps she can sense that yorito is in danger and therefore is putting on a painful face >.<
Ashlotte
2007-05-06, 19:44
Wow the first half was breathtaking. Probably showcased the biggest strength of the show for me which is the character interaction...Just lovely.
The second half was more meh to me (hence the 9 rating lol). I guess im just extremely against watching a creature as cute in voice and appearance as matsuri hunted down like some kindof monster. Plus the one part in yorito's room when she had fell down had the most incredibly out of place music...Really messed up the tension for me thats for sure.
But the last bit with aono sure made me look forward to next episode.
octoberasian
2007-05-06, 19:49
don't know what people have against the music in this episode.
I thought especially the music in this episode was good.:)
(XviD and h246. Version of subs out from LunarAnime)
just following the previous advertisment :heh:
I definitely like the music in the series, especially the piano pieces. It was interesting to hear two different paces of music in this episode. The first half was slow and then second half was fast pace.
Lunar Subs are out... I thought this was kinda funny.
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/7199/sola5mierugz0.jpg
:p Just kidding.
I can't decided how to score this episode. I kinda like it, but there are some technical reasons to mark it down. The artwork does seem problematic, and it's inconsistent: Matsuri stepping into the boat was nice, but them walking on the hill was rough. And the music at the end is annoying.
What this part of the story makes me think of is a musical technique of foreshadowing. (I think there's a specific term musicians use, but I haven't been able to recall it.) In one movement the composer will briefly insert the theme for the next movement, then return to the first theme to finish out. The end of the episode is not the beginning of the intense part of the story, there's still too many things to work through before we can get there. What's Takeshi's backstory? How will Aono react to Matsuri? Will Mana start feeling stronger for Yorito with Matsuri threatening to take him away for her?
This episode is the hook that will hang us in suspense until the climax.
I can describe the technique, itself. It is usually transposing from a Major key to its parallel minor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_key). A good example is Alfredo's song 'Un di, felice, eterea,' from the ACT I in Verdi's La Traviata, when transposition occurs in the line 'Misterioso'. If this isn't what you mean, perhaps you mean leitmotifs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leitmotif): musical themes associated with specific characters, locales, or plot elements.
Wow the first half was breathtaking. Probably showcased the biggest strength of the show for me which is the character interaction...Just lovely.
The second half was more meh to me (hence the 9 rating lol). I guess im just extremely against watching a creature as cute in voice and appearance as matsuri hunted down like some kindof monster. Plus the one part in yorito's room when she had fell down had the most incredibly out of place music...Really messed up the tension for me thats for sure.
But the last bit with aono sure made me look forward to next episode.
I agree about the poor choice of music here.
I definitely like the music in the series, especially the piano pieces. It was interesting to hear two different paces of music in this episode. The first half was slow and then second half was fast pace.
The piano pieces reminded me of 'ARIA' which is fitting as there was a girl rowing a boat.
Sorrow-K
2007-05-07, 01:27
Disappointed with this ep, particularly the second half. The action sequence was underwhelming, and I couldn't feel any tension in a sequence that just should have been full of it. I blame a few things (one of which that it's too early for any of the major characters to die, so DEM was inevitably going to save the day), but music was the worst offender. Some of the choice of music during that scene was terrible.
The rest of the episode wasn't great either. There's still too many question marks surrounding the characters, which is probably fair enough, since they'll inevitably be answered, but a bit more information to date would have been more than welcome. However, I think the atmosphere is far too light much of the time for something that has an imminent threat of conflict, and I still have problems with the over-simplicity of a lot of the personalities. Matsuri in particular.
Speaking of Matsuri... holy crap, that ponytail is the most moe thing I've seen this year, I think. I really did almost die when I saw that. If Saimoe really was voted on most moe character and wasn't just a popularity contest, Matsuri would have it in the bag. Nonetheless, she's not putting many steps wrong as far as making a case for that title is concern.
Anyway, so far I'm still not compelled by this series. I'm worried that it's not establishing a solid enough base to set itself up for some enthralling drama down the road. It needs to make a better case for us to care for the characters now, or else when the story finally does step up a gear, it's going to all feel like melodrama.
Areguzanda
2007-05-07, 01:51
Disappointed with this ep, particularly the second half. The action sequence was underwhelming, and I couldn't feel any tension in a sequence that just should have been full of it. I blame a few things (one of which that it's too early for any of the major characters to die, so DEM was inevitably going to save the day), but music was the worst offender. Some of the choice of music during that scene was terrible.
The rest of the episode wasn't great either. There's still too many question marks surrounding the characters, which is probably fair enough, since they'll inevitably be answered, but a bit more information to date would have been more than welcome. However, I think the atmosphere is far too light much of the time for something that has an imminent threat of conflict, and I still have problems with the over-simplicity of a lot of the personalities. Matsuri in particular.
Speaking of Matsuri... holy crap, that ponytail is the most moe thing I've seen this year, I think. I really did almost die when I saw that. If Saimoe really was voted on most moe character and wasn't just a popularity contest, Matsuri would have it in the bag. Nonetheless, she's not putting many steps wrong as far as making a case for that title is concern.
Anyway, so far I'm still not compelled by this series. I'm worried that it's not establishing a solid enough base to set itself up for some enthralling drama down the road. It needs to make a better case for us to care for the characters now, or else when the story finally does step up a gear, it's going to all feel like melodrama.
I guess it all comes down to the personal taste.
for my part I love Sola.
the characters, the scenery, the story, the music and the mood.
ive mentioned this before but this could be a special skill that aono has ~ perhaps she can sense that yorito is in danger and therefore is putting on a painful face >.<
Somehow i really doubt this :heh: Besides, at that point Yorito was no longer in danger. I am 90% certain she simply has an onii-chan complex (ignoring the fact that Yorito is the younger sibling >.<)
Doraneko
2007-05-07, 02:54
Somehow i really doubt this :heh: Besides, at that point Yorito was no longer in danger. I am 90% certain she simply has an onii-chan complex (ignoring the fact that Yorito is the younger sibling >.<)
I was always thinking that just a normal sick girl until I saw one of her manga character drafts :eyespin: ... But the story of the manga is only up to episode 2 or 3 of the anime, so the real fun probably won't begin in the manga until the anime has ended. :(
By the way it is a bit weird that there is no dedicated thread for manga discussion in this forum, especially since the serialization in Dengeki Daioh has begun long ago.
Pellissier
2007-05-07, 04:09
By the way it is a bit weird that there is no dedicated thread for manga discussion in this forum, especially since the serialization in Dengeki Daioh has begun long ago.
I've replied here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=46410) since on this thread it would be off topic.
I gave 10 to this episode, loved it on each individual part. I guess it really goes to personal preferences.
The following are some of my speculations (take them with 1,5 Kg of salt):
I think that the girl we saw at the beginning in a blood stain was actually Mayuko. For some (supernatural?) reason she's still alive but with that shrinked body of her.
My theory is that Matsuri might have been the one damaging Mayuko 17 years ago. But I suspect it must have happened somehow unwillingly. I mean, I don't see her killing people, since she had a great chance to eliminate Takeshi, but seemingly purposely she didn't.
Or perhaps there's a shade of her personality they didn't show yet ("you will end up hating me").
Mayuko doesn't agree with Takeshi's method. She feels more inclined to meet Matsuri. Takeshi has different ideas and want to kill her instead, but he's not bad enough to hit her if he's at risk of injuring someone else (Yorito). However, are they looking for revenge, or for a way to cure Mayuko ? I'm inclined for the second (though both reasons might be involved).
I can't read Aono's mind. I'd be sad if it should turn out in a Higurashi way, because it would be unoriginal. I hope they will include deep psychological reasons behind her concerned mood. Great reaction they've shown at the end. That's what I call a great twist.
Mana must have a role in all of this as well. I suspect she'll be the next one learning about Matsuri "himitsu" (the big one, not that of how she handwashes her underwear)
The date scene was amazing and heartwarming. Matsuri is one of the most moe and most delightful creatures ever created for any anime. I'm totally blown away by every little detail of her. And while I was a big fan of Mamiko Noto's Yakumo, I believe her voicing for Matsuri is completely overwhelming the former, at least as far as my ears are concerned.
And whatever the ending of this show will be, I do want a spin-off of this series with Matsuri and Yorito solely!! (Lamune style). I mean, those two together are just utterly romantic and marvellous :)
Areguzanda
2007-05-07, 04:15
The date scene was amazing and heartwarming. Matsuri is one of the most moe and most delightful creatures ever created for any anime. I'm totally blown away by every little detail of her. And while I was a big fan of Mamiko Noto's Yakumo, I believe her voicing for Matsuri is completely overwhelming the former, at least as far as my ears are concerned.
And whatever the ending of this show will be, I do want a spin-off of this series with Matsuri and Yorito solely!! (Lamune style). I mean, those two together are just utterly romantic and marvellous :)
My thoughts exactly! :innocent:
Deathkillz
2007-05-07, 05:17
Somehow i really doubt this :heh: Besides, at that point Yorito was no longer in danger. I am 90% certain she simply has an onii-chan complex (ignoring the fact that Yorito is the younger sibling >.<)
you mean otouto complex :p (dam i cant fool anyone >.<)
Some of the choice of music during that scene was terrible.
you mean during the fight scene? well watching the ep again with the subs i cant think why the BGM was bad during that scene...to me it did great in creating a chaotic and sinister mood in which matsuri is literally hunted down like some animal (quite fitting for a metaphor)
Ascaloth
2007-05-07, 06:02
Mana must have a role in all of this as well. I suspect she'll be the next one learning about Matsuri "himitsu" (the big one, not that of how she handwashes her underwear)
That's a small "himitsu" to you? :p
Owaranai Destiny
2007-05-07, 06:07
The following are some of my speculations (take them with 1,5 Kg of salt):
I think that the girl we saw at the beginning in a blood stain was actually Mayuko. For some (supernatural?) reason she's still alive but with that shrinked body of her.
My theory is that Matsuri might have been the one damaging Mayuko 17 years ago. But I suspect it must have happened somehow unwillingly. I mean, I don't see her killing people, since she had a great chance to eliminate Takeshi, but seemingly purposely she didn't.
Or perhaps there's a shade of his personality they didn't show yet ("you will end up hating me").
Mayuko doesn't agree with Takeshi's method. She feels more inclined to meet Matsuri. Takeshi has different ideas and want to kill her instead, but he's not bad enough to hit her if he's at risk of injuring someone else (Yorito). However, are they looking for revenge, or for a way to cure Mayuko ? I'm inclined for the second (though both reasons might be involved).
I can't read Aono's mind. I'd be sad if it should turn out in a Higurashi way, because it would be unoriginal. I hope they will include deep psychological reasons behind her concerned mood. Great reaction they've shown at the end. That's what I call a great twist.
Mana must have a role in all of this as well. I suspect she'll be the next one learning about Matsuri "himitsu" (the big one, not that of how she handwashes her underwear)
I've got you on the first three points. It was what I was thinking at that time, for apparently if Takeshi simply wanted revenge, he would have tried to hunt Matsuri down immediately in episode 1 instead of talking to Yorito. Would it be that they will show more of Takeshi's past later on, so that we can get the picture completely. He doesn't seem that bad of a guy, but rather the past moulded his intentions into what they were today.
Of course, informing Yorito about Matsuri's nature can be done in accordance to either one of your speculations about Takeshi's and Mayuko's real intentions for finding Matsuri. But the way I see it there seems to be something deeper than just vengeance. Perhaps she herself is the cure? Perhaps her existence alone makes it impossible for Mayuko to live as a normal person (or that since the body we see her in is temporary before she dies)? Perhaps....
:eyespin:
Well, whatever the case, apparently Mana and Aono will probably be dragged into this affair one way or another. That's when she statement will start to haunt him, I guess. :uhoh:
Klashikari
2007-05-07, 07:38
Well... after much spoiler temptations, got my hands on the subs...
review of the week :
Blood noise made me shiver... in a bad way (i was actually wondering if it was really blood)
The first part was welcomed. similar to episode 4, but with matsuri and yurito, improving their bound. like Telliamed said, the character design wasn't really consistent
PONYTAIL
I think i will be beaten to death, but Takeshi looked extremely cool and appealing to me ^^. i wasn't really fond of his "evilish" laughter though (not a bad performance, but it was ruining the "cool" image i had of him XD). So far, he is nicely portrayed as a "baddy" only on Matsuri/Yurito POV, but looks really struggling for the sake of Mayuko (can't wait for more backstory about them :))
Koyori-chan scene is well executed to me (however, i really think the proportions of Matsuri and Koyori, when we see them on a larger plan twice, is COMPLETELY out of the whack. were they saving budget for the next "action" part or what?)
Aono sewing a doll... and it isn't the first one. i'm wondering if it has any special meaning for her.
Action sequence, the Good : the pace was pretty neat. I pretty much liked how they inserted Yurito scenes, giving contrast between his carefree situation, with matsuri's lifethreatening run.
Action sequence, the Bad : the music. while the 2 tracks used at the start were average, fitting somewhat the scene, the second one mutated into "something" extremely horrible (17:40, when takeshi hurls several darts). The track used when matsuri was outside was bad as well (some violins are really too much), and it turned completely worse when takeshi makes his steps towards her. (19:32)
Action sequence, the Ugly : the scene when matsuri enters into seed mode. Basically, it is hardly believable that Takeshi could be overpowered by Matsuri like this (even if she got some big strength, i could hardly believe takeshi, struggling without using his left hand, or feet -___- ). Not really any fanboyism here (i prefer matsuri :p), but the scene is completely unreal, despite Matsuri's sudden insanity.
Aono's reaction is really interesting... is she shocked because she hears a girl's name, or because she knows matsuri? (as i could determine with her surprise and shock, it appears it is the later)I must admit, the flaws listed above weren't really spotted at first, me getting completely hooked by the execution (especially after the slow ep4).
however, it is hardly possible for me to give a 10 for this ep, considering the amount of unconsistent design, and the musics. (i can hardly believe it is the same composer of ep1...)
thus, the score 9 isn't really solid, but i guess i'm a bit biased... (one word to say : PONY )
Ascaloth
2007-05-07, 08:57
Just watched the Lunar fansub of Sola 05.....
The Pros:
1) http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/HyperionEnergy/SuzumiyaHaruhi-14-Large28.jpg
"Actually, ponytails turn me on...That ponytail you had back on whenever looked so good it was criminal."
2) VERY good character development on the part of Takeshi. As much as I detest him when he started getting on Matsuri's case again, I can't find it within myself to hate him entirely. It's almost like he's as much a victim of circumstances as Matsuri was....
3) Especially liked the date scene. Unfortunately, I liked it so much, it became a victim of its own success...I'll expound on this in the Cons.
4) On the other hand, I like the Takeshi-Mayuko exchanges almost as much as I like the Yorito-Matsuri exchanges. They're very well-developed characters, that's for sure, not your usual two-bit villain cardboard cutouts.
5) Nice switching of the scenes of Takeshi hunting Matsuri, with those of Yorito waiting idly for the next tram. A fairly standard technique for building up the tension, but hey, it works, yes?
The Cons:
1) The end-game of the Takeshi-Matsuri action scenes. The music sounds like something out of an early, pre-FFVII RPG game; NOT suitable for a 2007 anime. The music for the slice-of-life portions were done well, but if they keep up with this sort of stuff for the action scenes, that's a big cut out of the BGM portion of my Final Critique of Sola, for me.
2) I mentioned the date scene being a con as well as a pro, didn't I? Well, here's why; too bleedin' little of it before we're back to the action stuff. Maybe I just got used to the relaxed pace Kanon 2006 took with its development of relationship between characters, but I really would have given this kind of development the whole episode, instead of just half of it.
3) Matsuri hugging Koyori-chan on the stairs. The proportions just don't look right, no matter how I look at it.....the latter just seems too small.
4) CAUGHT: Animation Error from 09:41-09:42 of the Lunar sub!!! And it's very simple; if Matsuri is standing on the boat, how come she's static while the boat is bobbing up and down on the waves of the lake?!
Nomad is no KyoAni, that's for sure. For one thing, the latter would not have been anywhere near this lazy. Yes, I said lazy. I hardly think this is an oversight as much as it is just the animators not giving a damn. :mad:
5) The inconsistency of the Episode 5 action scenes, contrasted with that of Episode 2 & 3. Am I supposed to believe that the light darts lose like 80% of their potency in daytime?! Because it certainly seems that way since Matsuri takes a shitload of light this time around, while she can barely tolerate the power of one dart in Episode 3! And what's the deal with Takeshi freezing once Matsuri grabs his wrist?!
All in all, I'm forced to do this; give one rating for the first half, and another for the second half.
First half: 9/10
Second half: 5/10
Taking the average, it's a 7/10. And I'm someone who tends to give high scores; therefore, a 7/10 indicates some serious problems here.
Doraneko
2007-05-07, 09:02
Action sequence, the Ugly : the scene when matsuri enters into seed mode. Basically, it is hardly believable that Takeshi could be overpowered by Matsuri like this (even if she got some big strength, i could hardly believe takeshi, struggling without using his left hand, or feet -___- ). Not really any fanboyism here (i prefer matsuri :p), but the scene is completely unreal, despite Matsuri's sudden insanity.
Regarding the yaga v human fight, Matsuri in SEED mode has clearly used much more than brute force when she was trying to inflict harm to Takeshi. After all, the non-SEED Matsuri in ep 2 could turn a two-storey-high metal frame into scrap metal in a matter of seconds, so no one can tell what it is exactly like to be at the receving side of her SEED power outburst. :uhoh:
Perhaps in this fight she was actually draining the the life and energy of Takeshi in a very short time, while making his hand decay at the same time. I think if Matsuri hadn't been mericiful, Takeshi could turn into a pile of ash in 30 seconds :heh: . Your complaint is a bit mean to Takeshi and disrespectful to Matsuri. :p
Klashikari
2007-05-07, 09:33
Perhaps in this fight she was actually draining the the life and energy of Takeshi in a very short time, while making his hand decay at the same time. I think if Matsuri hadn't been mericiful, Takeshi could turn into a pile of ash in 30 seconds :heh: . Your complaint is a bit mean to Takeshi and disrespectful to Matsuri. :p
well, actually, i thought she was draining Takeshi as well.
however, considering how takeshi "collapsed" when Matsuri released his wrist doesn't really confirm the drain thesis.
As far as i can observe the scene again, takeshi was only restrained around his wrist. he wasn't paralized by a plausible "death glare" or something. (i guess the "seed mode" are just a trait showing her mental change)
but even if we speculate that matsuri used a spell which restrain Takeshi, the way how he is struggling, without moving his FREE left arm and both legs is completely silly.
heh, my complaint is merely targeted to Nomad :heh:
Doraneko
2007-05-07, 09:53
I can see where you are coming from. But I still think Takeshi had his power drained away and got paralyzed. As seen from the previous episodes, Matsuri doesn't use her eyes but her hands to use her power. As soon as she got her hand off his arm, the paralyzing effect would have already end, but the physical damage on his arm would still last.
But yea, Nomad should be blamed for not letting Matsuri to lose a piece of flesh or two :D. Being exposed under such a bright sunlight and with the "ash" flying out of her body for so long, there should at least be some visible damage/decay on her body :heh:. Still, a Biohazard-zombie-esque Matsuri is the best for that scene in my opinion, if not a pile of ash. :D
OT: Seems like it is an anime law that moe characters have to retain their moe apperance even when they are seriously injured or dying.
Nemesis2124
2007-05-07, 11:02
Y'know. reading through this topic I think people are getting a little too fixated on the concept of "seed mode". It was pretty clear that it was meant to emphasize a non-emotive state, rather than a simple strength boost. After all, she had him overpowered even before that.
Neat thing is though, after breaking out of her trance, she practically goes on a suicide run outside. It suggests that she has a deep-rooted fear of harming(killing?)people to the point where death seems preferable. Presumably she's been in a similar situation and done something rather awful in the past. Would certainly explain a few things from earlier episodes. Now I can't wait for the next batch of crap to hit the fan.
Klashikari
2007-05-07, 11:17
Y'know. reading through this topic I think people are getting a little too fixated on the concept of "seed mode". It was pretty clear that it was meant to emphasize a non-emotive state, rather than a simple strength boost. After all, she had him overpowered even before that.
nah... i think they are just referring how the look of the eyes were similar, while it didn't have the same result.
but, when did matsuri physically overpower Takeshi? as far as i can see (except if i missed a scene), she could only run away from him, by using the metal structure around the church.
so far, except her ability to turn things into ashes/corrode/rot them, she kinda has normal girls physical traits.
Given Matsuri's personality i really can't imagine her intentionally killing (or harming) some one. (Else our hunter would have been a smoking pile of crap... which i would have preferred :p ).
I agree that her "seed mode" was just a state of mind, not some power boost/ability usage/whatever - she didn't want to die(doh), so her survival instincts simply kicked in.
What i want to know though - how is Takashi's arm doing ? :) I wonder whether the damage she inflicted is going to be permanent or not. I hope it is... would be kinda lame if the effect just happens to "wear off" >.>
nah... i think they are just referring how the look of the eyes were similar, while it didn't have the same result.
but, when did matsuri physically overpower Takeshi? as far as i can see (except if i missed a scene), she could only run away from him, by using the metal structure around the church.
She made quite a high jump there (I would say 5 meters or so) to get trough the window, which would translate to very above-human strength. Obviously, she isn't fond of the idea of harming him, so she she simply chooses to run away. Skilled or not, Takashi is still human, so as far as physical abilities go it would seem that Matsuri would win in that department quite easily.
Also, don't take my word on this, because i am not following the manga, but as far as i overheard (and too lazy to look for details atm):
Matsuri's speed is quite above that of a human as well.
Doraneko
2007-05-07, 11:30
Neat thing is though, after breaking out of her trance, she practically goes on a suicide run outside. It suggests that she has a deep-rooted fear of harming(killing?)people to the point where death seems preferable. Presumably she's been in a similar situation and done something rather awful in the past. Would certainly explain a few things from earlier episodes. Now I can't wait for the next batch of crap to hit the fan.
That sounds possible. But practically speaking there is no way to retreat in the house except the window. Takeshi will throw out a new batch of darts in no time. Matsuri only had two choices after she had decided not to kill Takeshi: either be killed on spot, or try getting out and see if she could find a sheltered area before losing her consciousness.
The reason that she has developed such a fear of killing is probably she has unintentionally killed her loved one before, or witnessed him getting killed by her clan. As for who that guy was...
Matsuri's speed is quite above that of a human as well.
In episode 00 (prologue), She literally jumped on the roofs from one house to another at high speed (pretty like Chii), just for getting to the nearest convenience store to pay her electric bills and restoring the electricity supply to watch her favourite TV show... :heh:
Nemesis2124
2007-05-07, 11:44
but, when did matsuri physically overpower Takeshi?
I'm just talking about when she grabbed his wrist and stopped his swing in its tracks. He's a big enough guy where he should have been able to follow through.
Given Matsuri's personality i really can't imagine her intentionally killing (or harming) some one. (Else our hunter would have been a smoking pile of crap... which i would have preferred :p ).
Likewise, unless if it was in self-defense. But we know how humans love to misunderstand things, especially when it comes to supernatural creatures. And I actually do think he would have been a smoking pile, had Matsuri not caught herself in the act.
That sounds possible. But practically speaking there is no way to retreat in the house except the window. Takeshi will throw out a new batch of darts in no time. Matsuri only had two choices after she had decided not to kill Takeshi: either be killed on spot, or try getting out and see if she could find a sheltered area before losing her consciousness.
True, but I found it odd that the writers added that little statement of Takeshi commenting on how absurd it was of her to go outside, which suggests that maybe they were trying to imply something else.
And the other thing...I'm actually referring to her choice to not kill him. Like you said, there was nowhere else to go, but then why wouldn't she just kill him? Seems like an obvious enough choice to me. That is unless if there's some excess baggage we aren't privy to yet. ^^;
darkchibi07
2007-05-07, 12:43
I expect that scene was trying to convey that Takeshi thought of Matsuri going outside in the daylight was flat out suicide which he didn't expect her to do. As for the wrist handling,
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/8207/sola2020052020large2026xr2.th.jpg (http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sola2020052020large2026xr2.jpg)
...it's clear that Matsuri was holding both of Takeshi's wrists. So wouldn't that contribute the fact that she was able to immobilize him?
Klashikari
2007-05-07, 12:55
well, that's not how i considered the scene :
Takeshi left hand joined his right hand, holding his sword. (the angle is kinda weird however) Matsuri's both hands were grabbing his right wrist.
check the very next frame after she parried Takeshi sword, you will see that when takeshi withdraw his left arm, matsuri's hands were already on his right wrists, and didn't move an inch.
also, Matsuri "Dark mode" activates only when she performs her "rot spell". so it is still really weird how they executed the scene.
Deathkillz
2007-05-07, 13:02
I'm just talking about when she grabbed his wrist and stopped his swing in its tracks. He's a big enough guy where he should have been able to follow through.
sure he would have followed through if the had already begun to swing down the sword but from what i can she he lifted it up and was caught by matsuri before he could gain any momentum to swing down...and about him stopping in his tracks as if he was paralyzed ~ well you know fear of knowing what is going to happen next can sometimes stop any movement at all for the simple answer ~ and i tend to go for the easier option ~ as far as i know matsuri's powers do not go as far as paralysis
I'm just talking about when she grabbed his wrist and stopped his swing in its tracks. He's a big enough guy where he should have been able to follow through.
As already noted, her physical abilities are above that of a human, so him being a big guy and all counts for nothing >.>
Yes, this episode both delighted and mortified me.
It delighted me because I'm in love with this series. For all its flaws, it's absolutely charming. It mortified me because it's so charming that I actually care about the characters and by golly BAD THINGS are happening. :( Matsuri being attacked, Aono growing suspicious and possibly about to become even more depressed... It's bad all around.
The chemistry between Yorito and Matsuri is great, and it's something we just don't see too often. How often do you see a confident, mature adult woman being a friendly flirt? And even rarer to see such a woman simultaneously be ABSOLUTELY ADORABLE. Aono, Koyori, Mana... They all manage to exist beyond the limits of the usual female character cliches. Maybe if Kyoani's Kanon could set a new standard for an ideal man instead of a cliched pushover, maybe sola can do the same for women. I hope it catches on. sola doesn't do so badly for guys, either: Yorito is clearly young, but he's not a loser. Takeshi is clearly not a cliched dishrag guy, but he's not the protagonist, which is where such roles generally live. :)
More beautiful art plagued by animation hacks and weirdness (Seriously, what was the pixelation on Takeshi at 13:35 as he walked down the street?!). But I'll forgive it for being so wonderful overall.
What i want to know though - how is Takashi's arm doing ? :) I wonder whether the damage she inflicted is going to be permanent or not. I hope it is... would be kinda lame if the effect just happens to "wear off" >.>
While it would be sort of "cheap" for it to wear off, I really hope it does. Even if he's the antagonist, he's not portrayed as evil, so for such a devastating injury to be permanent when it was inflicted with so little drama (drama for Takeshi, not Matsuri) would make its significance very... hollow. More of a distraction than an enhancement to the story.
If he's going to sustain permanent debilitating injuries, he deserves a better, more sympathetic way of having them inflicted upon him.
As for why he didn't struggle when it was happening... Shock is reasonable, and we really have no idea how having that happen would feel.
There was a few nitpicky things but this is about as close to a 10 an episode can get for me. We got it all - action, drama, comedy, character and plot progression. I can overlook a few leaps of faith and some animation troubles since everything else was so damn good.
I have to add that I agree with the general consensus: OMGPONYTAIL!
Nemesis2124
2007-05-07, 15:44
As already noted, her physical abilities are above that of a human, so him being a big guy and all counts for nothing >.>
Yeah, that's exactly what I was going for.
And on another note, there sure seems to be a lot of fuss about Takeshi's reaction, eh? Personally, I have a hard time believing anyone would be thinking too clearly as their limb is being eaten away like that. ^^;
Or maybe it wasn't a suicide run? She could have for some yet unexplained reason now developed a slight tolerance to sunlight which enabled her to dash outside and stick to the shade, defend herself against light darts and survive a light dart attack indoors.
I hope the damage to his arm doesn't reverse. It would add to Matsuri's danger potential if we see what she can really do when she's up against a wall.
Nemesis2124
2007-05-07, 16:11
Ha, I should watch my terminology. I don't presume it was a suicide run per se, just an incredibly dangerous thing to do given the alternative. And sunlight immunity, eh? I don't think the series has ever given us the impression that the sunlight is an instant kill, so there's no real need for that yet. Also, I'll be one angry camper if they ever resort to something that cheesy in this show. ^^;
Or maybe it wasn't a suicide run? She could have for some yet unexplained reason now developed a slight tolerance to sunlight which enabled her to dash outside and stick to the shade, defend herself against light darts and survive a light dart attack indoors.
I hope the damage to his arm doesn't reverse. It would add to Matsuri's danger potential if we see what she can really do when she's up against a wall.
I'm not sure the tolerance is anything new. The damage done by direct sunlight never seemed to have an immediately fatal effect, just a fast working one. It's reasonable to assume that in a dire emergency she could survive a quick dash through it as a last resort.
I think the danger she posed was quite clear, especially when Takeshi asked why she didn't kill him. Since that was stated so clearly, I hope his arm heals. :p
The action sequence was very welcomed, but the strong point of episode five to me was Yorito's day off together with Matsuri.
It is very understandable Matsuri's surprise and naivety to have gone on the boat ride and taking a walk on the rainy day when she cannot normally do so during ordinary, sunny days.
This was the perfect setup for both to continue bonding and endured the crisis that ensued later.
When we have very few hints and leads about the background for the story we're at last treated with a brief flashback of Takeshi's past.
I think that Yaka were viewed as a bad omen or beings which only carry tragedy and misery.
Maybe or not that is one among many reasons why Takeshi's people were trying to kill Mayuko. I am certain that the boy from the flashback was Takeshi, and he was protecting Mayuko from being done harm to her.
Subsequently, he may or not have been casted out by his family.
No leads or clues have been shed to pinpoint for sure why Takeshi desperately needs Matsuri's life, but I theorize it is for the sake of Mayuko. Most likely to save her life.
There is also the issue about Matsuri's strange reaction towards Takeshi when she turned into a dazed trance and partially burnt his wrist.
A power slumbering within her? or maybe her survival instinct kicked in to protect herself?
And more bad news keep on raining, since unintentionally and without awareness Koyori slipped to Aono that Matsuri is being friends with Yorito.
The shocked reaction on Aono's face is fear that a girl, whom she has not met, is befriending her mother, and henceforth, taking him away from her side.
Aono never admits it to Yorito, but she is specially thankful to him for giving her all those dolls, and she did mind to fix back the broken doll.
Deathkillz
2007-05-07, 17:07
And more bad news keep on raining, since unintentionally and without awareness Koyori slipped to Aono that Matsuri is being friends with Yorito.
The shocked reaction on Aono's face is fear that a girl, whom she has not met, is befriending her mother, and henceforth, taking him away from her side.
Aono never admits it to Yorito, but she is specially thankful to him for giving her all those dolls, and she did mind to fix back the broken doll.
well if yorito can put two and two together im sure he knows how much those dolls mean to aono even without her stating it...the sheer fact that she wanted 5 the day yorito forgets one is a noticable fact :3
and exactally my thoughts that aono is afraid that yorito is going to be leaving her side...and its the first time i detect some selfishness from her ~ i wonder what other roles she is going to adopt in the near future :3
well if yorito can put two and two together im sure he knows how much those dolls mean to aono even without her stating it...the sheer fact that she wanted 5 the day yorito forgets one is a noticable fact :3
And also in ep 4 when Mana tells him to quit buying those dolls, Yorito continues to buy them. I'm sure he knows.. But then again, alot of main characters in these types of anime are oblivious of everything, so who knows.
Telliamed
2007-05-07, 21:23
Well, the aforementioned technical flaws still disappoint me, but I'm willing to give this episode an 8 (7.5, really) because the writing was so good. I like the way Matsuri jokes about her age and teases Yorito for being "old fashioned". And he can't complain about her buying all that tomato juice; it was his idea to get as much as she can before it's discontinued.
edit: Okay, the real reason I bumped-up the score is because Matsuri is humming Colorless Wind as she sorts her clothes. Too cute!
Interesting observation: Mayuko prefers the confined confession box to sitting in the large apse. (Loved the confession joke, BTW.) So she's agoraphobic, while Matsuri desires to stand under a wide-open sky.
And Takeshi didn't bother mentioning that Matsuri had been hiding in the church previously.
The sound-effects and music during the first flashback reminded me of Haibane Renmei. Particularly when Rekka's wings sprout. I was kinda wondering, when I saw those feathers fluttering during the OP, whether the story would go in that direction.
Now, what was the gift Matsuri gave to Koyori?
but even if we speculate that matsuri used a spell which restrain Takeshi, the way how he is struggling, without moving his FREE left arm and both legs is completely silly.
I don't think it was a spell; I'd say Takeshi simply stopped out of pure fear. He's facing something that could decimate him if he isn't careful. Stopping for a moment just before piercing Matsuri is her opening, and he probably realized it. Given the situation he was in, he probably assumed he would die. She's probably physically stronger than he is, so I think he figured struggling would be useless.
The heartbeat that plays while Matsuri nearly kapoofs Takeshi's wrist is probably his own. For another theory in the box, maybe the effect was more immediate than what viewers are shown. It could have started from the inside, and maybe Takeshi was already feeling pain well before it was visually presented to us.
What i want to know though - how is Takashi's arm doing ? :) I wonder whether the damage she inflicted is going to be permanent or not. I hope it is... would be kinda lame if the effect just happens to "wear off" >.>
I... think it is permanent? If not that, then maybe long-lasting. During the closing scene of the confrontation, we see he's not using the hand that was affected. The way it's animated, it seems to be rather lifeless, simply hanging there. If it is long-lasting by any means, I'm sure it'll be problematic if Mayuko were to find out.
The following is based on [Doremi]'s fansub, which I must say, is pretty large. :heh:
Random Thoughts on Ep05:
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As others have mentioned already, I believe it is Mayuko in the blood-pool.
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Upon rewatching the OP, I wonder if the sparkles in the air are fragments of a disintegrating Matsuri?
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After waiting so long since the Audio Drama Prologue(ADP), Mayuko finally makes her début anime appearance as the "Loli-in-a-Trashcan". :D I wonder if this trashcan is the same one that she bought in the ADP. :p
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As always, the banter between Mayuko and Takeshi is delightful. :)
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About Matsuri's début ponytail appearance... I give you an animated GIF to convey my thoughts about it. :heh:
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7636/pony256cdm4.th.gif (http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pony256cdm4.gif)
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Why is Matsuri exhausted from running?
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Clothing in sola never seem to get wet. :p Makes me wonder why they even bother with umbrellas. :p
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They subvert a cliché during the boat scene, then use it in the very next moment. :heh:
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Yorito loses points for allowing Matsuri to row the boat. Honestly!
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Background animation continues to retain a high level of animation detail.
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"You never thought about the fact that I may use the living room?"
"Yep."
"Nice response..."
"Thank you."
Well, she did have 700 years of practice. :heh:
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I guess I am in the minority here, but I like the music during the action scenes. :heh:
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Surprising that nobody wondered what will Mana make of everything now.
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Still no real previews. :heh:
Cheers.
One technical note that bothered me: During many of Matsuri's lines, there is a high pitched squeal. I noticed this on an earlier episode, as well.
It is... very aggravating.
I'm guessing that the audio engineer, like most, wasn't able to hear a pitch that high, and so didn't notice it and realize that it needed a low-pass filter.
Upon rewatching the OP, I wonder if the sparkles in the air are fragments of a disintegrating Matsuri?
Oh, you just have to keep fueling my tragedy detector, do you ? :heh:
Surprising that nobody wondered what will Mana make of everything now.
Cheers.
I did :sad:
(un)fortunately they introduced a way for them to get out of the situation by the help of some white lies. It started to rain (convenient, isn't it ? :p ), meaning that Yorito can carry Matsuri back without her emitting smoke along the way, and come up with a story of some maniac attacking them... then again, Yorito doesn't seem very good with lying :p
What i am interested in... how things are going to proceed? Obviously, the house is not a safe place any more. And i think Matsuri will try to leave again *senses second "bye bye" incoming. Also, i wonder how serious Yorito's injury is ? In all honesty: if that blow was intended to finish Matsuri, then Yorito shouldn't have gotten away with what seems a scratch.
Ascaloth
2007-05-08, 04:00
Oh, you just have to keep fueling my tragedy detector, do you ? :heh:
I did :sad:
(un)fortunately they introduced a way for them to get out of the situation by the help of some white lies. It started to rain (convenient, isn't it ? :p ), meaning that Yorito can carry Matsuri back without her emitting smoke along the way, and come up with a story of some maniac attacking them... then again, Yorito doesn't seem very good with lying :p
What i am interested in... how things are going to proceed? Obviously, the house is not a safe place any more. And i think Matsuri will try to leave again *senses second "bye bye" incoming. Also, i wonder how serious Yorito's injury is ? In all honesty: if that blow was intended to finish Matsuri, then Yorito shouldn't have gotten away with what seems a scratch.
Here's a thought; I predicted that Aono was going to come home sooner or later. What if, instead of her joining Yorito at home, Yorito joins Aono instead in the hospital? With Matsuri in tow, what's more. :p
High potential for a catfight, and Glasses Man will once again be faced with a "WTF where did they go" moment, again. :D
Also, i wonder how serious Yorito's injury is ? In all honesty: if that blow was intended to finish Matsuri, then Yorito shouldn't have gotten away with what seems a scratch.
If Takeshi caught himself in the mid-swing, it's reasonable that Yorito wasn't severely injured.
What's odd is that he was swinging, not thrusting. :heh:
Ascaloth
2007-05-08, 10:07
If Takeshi caught himself in the mid-swing, it's reasonable that Yorito wasn't severely injured.
What's odd is that he was swinging, not thrusting. :heh:
Well, Matsuri did say she's pretty hard to kill. I'm fairly certain that Glasses Man was aiming to decapitate her; apart from the sunlight, it might well be she can't die by any other method, not even if you spill her guts onto the floor. She certainly has one heck of a healing factor; you wanna take her out, you'll hafta do it clean and fast, is what I'm guessing.
Additional thoughts:
1) I asked this question in the last episode thread, but no one bothered to reply, so I'll rehash this question again; why is J.C. Staff in the credits? What role is it exactly that they play? My educated guess is that they're responsible for the background art, but I'll like the full story from someone who's in the know, please.
2) Either there's something wrong with my eyes, or there really is no Music Discussion thread for the Sola forum. I will have to request one....but first, about that piano piece that plays every time Matsuri gets herself lost in a fantasy of clear skies. What is the name of that piece, and where can I obtain a copy of the piano sheets for it?
3) Mayuko: "Usotsuki."
Sorry, little girl. Nayuki still holds the title of Best "Usotsuki". :p
4) I'm starting to think I may have a grasp on the motivations of Glasses Man and Rozen Loli. My guess here, is that Matsuri is somehow responsible for Rozen Loli never growing up, and thus being taken for a monster as seen in Glasses Man's last flashback scene, where the younger him is hugging a younger Mayuko against a crowd probably attempting to burn her at the stake, or something. Therefore, they're now both searching for Matsuri, whom they believe to probably be the one who made Rozen Loli the way she is in the first place.
However, how come Rozen Loli wants to talk to Matsuri, while Glasses Man wants to kill her before the former gets the chance to? Here's my hypothesis; they both agree on the fact that the antidote for Mayuko's condition lies with Matsuri. However, Takeshi knows, or at the very least sincerely believes, one thing that Mayuko has no clue about; that Matsuri's death is absolutely necessary to set things right with Mayuko. Because of this, Mayuko believes that she can ask Matsuri as to how to reverse her condition, while Takeshi knows the truth. However, not wishing to reveal to Mayuko the ugly truth, Takeshi therefore hunts Matsuri in secret, while at the same time trying to keep traces of his murdering behaviour from the eyes of Mayuko.
Just a guess, that is all. Don't come at me if it turns out false, and it certainly is no spoiler either, so a certain someone better not dock my rep for supposedly spoiling him. :p
Well, it was a good episode. Seeing Matsuri do her "Seed" mode thing is really...scary. Also, looks like Aono knew now that there was a girl in her brother's life other than her (and Koyori or Mana). Looking at her expression...she's jealous
Doraneko
2007-05-08, 10:50
Additional thoughts:
1) I asked this question in the last episode thread, but no one bothered to reply, so I'll rehash this question again; why is J.C. Staff in the credits? What role is it exactly that they play? My educated guess is that they're responsible for the background art, but I'll like the full story from someone who's in the know, please.
The art director of the series is from J.C. Staff. And yes the company is also respobsible for the background art.
3) Mayuko: "Usotsuki."
Sorry, little girl. Nayuki still holds the title of Best "Usotsuki". :p
Nah. Rena from Higurashi is always the queen of the "uso" department. Maybe Aono who shares the same seiyuu with Rena will have a chance to show her uso-pwness in the next episode.
Aono: Yorito, whom did you have dinner with yesterday?
Yorito: Eeh... Ah... Just the same as before. I had dinner myself at home.
Aono: Uso...
Yorito: Huh? Nee-san?
Aono: I know it. There is another girl in our house. Usotsuki...
Yorito: What? Nee-san, what're you talking about...
Aono: USOOOOOODAAAA!!!
(turns into Oyashiro-sama mode and pulls out a cleaver...)
As for the speculation on the relationship between Matsuri, Takeshi and Mayuko, I think it sounds plausible, but we still haven't fit Aono into the whole puzzle, despite the fact that she is the second largest character in the posters (yea the sizes of the characters are usually in proportion to their significance). Guess we have to wait till Aono get into full action before we can have a clue about her background.
Ascaloth
2007-05-08, 11:15
The art director of the series is from J.C. Staff. And yes the company is also respobsible for the background art.
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So, what part in this does Nomad play, exactly? I thought this was their thing.....
PastPrime
2007-05-08, 11:28
The art director of the series is from J.C. Staff. And yes the company is also respobsible for the background art.
Nah. Rena from Higurashi is always the queen of the "uso" department. Maybe Aono who shares the same seiyuu with Rena will have a chance to show her uso-pwness in the next episode.
Aono: Yorito, whom did you have dinner with yesterday?
Yorito: Eeh... Ah... Just the same as before. I had dinner myself at home.
Aono: Uso...
Yorito: Huh? Nee-san?
Aono: I know it. There is another girl in our house. Usotsuki...
Yorito: What? Nee-san, what're you talking about...
Aono: USOOOOOODAAAA!!!
(turns into Oyashiro-sama mode and pulls out a cleaver...)
As for the speculation on the relationship between Matsuri, Takeshi and Mayuko, I think it sounds plausible, but we still haven't fit Aono into the whole puzzle, despite the fact that she is the second largest character in the posters (yea the sizes of the characters are usually in proportion to their significance). Guess we have to wait till Aono get into full action before we can have a clue about her background.
I don't know if it is significant or not, but in the group setting at the end of the op they have Matsuri in the middle with all the normal people on her right. On her left, Aono is between her and Mayuko with Tukeshi on the end. I wonder if the cure for Mayuko will be transfering her condition to Aono, perhaps as a way of saving Aono since we don't know what is wrong with her yet.
Additional thought: was it only me who expected more reaction from Mana when she saw Yorito/Matsuri, with the bloody stain on Yorito's back and all ? :) Don't tell me she didn't notice - it is kinda hard to miss ^__^.
Deathkillz
2007-05-08, 17:38
^ she "brain lagged" there :heh: shock can do that to people O.o or that the sun was in her eyes...but its really nothing big to dwell on ^_^
4) I'm starting to think I may have a grasp on the motivations of Glasses Man and Rozen Loli. My guess here, is that Matsuri is somehow responsible for Rozen Loli never growing up, and thus being taken for a monster as seen in Glasses Man's last flashback scene, where the younger him is hugging a younger Mayuko against a crowd probably attempting to burn her at the stake, or something. Therefore, they're now both searching for Matsuri, whom they believe to probably be the one who made Rozen Loli the way she is in the first place.
However, how come Rozen Loli wants to talk to Matsuri, while Glasses Man wants to kill her before the former gets the chance to? Here's my hypothesis; they both agree on the fact that the antidote for Mayuko's condition lies with Matsuri. However, Takeshi knows, or at the very least sincerely believes, one thing that Mayuko has no clue about; that Matsuri's death is absolutely necessary to set things right with Mayuko. Because of this, Mayuko believes that she can ask Matsuri as to how to reverse her condition, while Takeshi knows the truth. However, not wishing to reveal to Mayuko the ugly truth, Takeshi therefore hunts Matsuri in secret, while at the same time trying to keep traces of his murdering behaviour from the eyes of Mayuko.
Just a guess, that is all. Don't come at me if it turns out false, and it certainly is no spoiler either, so a certain someone better not dock my rep for supposedly spoiling him. :p
decent thought but rather far fetched imo ~ there just isnt enough hints to Mayuko's reason for being with takeshi as of yet...so im still holding out for some development on her as well before the series ends :) right now all we know is that takeshi saved her from being killed...and that affection he has towards her is linked to the girl he couldnt save in the past (imouto? O.o) ~ but heck its better than what i can think of XD
Additional thought: was it only me who expected more reaction from Mana when she saw Yorito/Matsuri, with the bloody stain on Yorito's back and all ? :) Don't tell me she didn't notice - it is kinda hard to miss ^__^.
Sure she noticed...She already noticed that house was messy...Her seventh sense has worked already quite well as we saw in ep 3. :p Although Yorito and Matsuri did abundant job with covering tracks and background story was not filling even minimum weight. At least Matsuri should had food in upstairs for longer hiding :D :heh:.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-08, 18:21
Well sometimes I'm honestly just surprised. I've been popping back into this forum every so often and from what I can tell Sola has developed the "Anything Else" quality and in a large enough quantity to offset the usual boring harem formula. In this case, mystery, a bit of action, real character development (tangible character background not just moe stuff they do) real drama (not just angst) and absolutely postiviely most importantly for me, character relations that don't all revolve around the male lead (Instead of him in the center and a line pointing from him to each girl and back creating a ray of sunshine like effect, this has more of a web, the kind of character relationships lacking in so many of these types of shows). Well I guess I'm in again, even if I can picture the ending the character relationships seem to be enough to make this a worthwhile watch.
At least this episode shifts things into higher gear, but we expect a heck lot of drama and so on to happen if that goes.
lightbringer
2007-05-09, 09:46
...and that affection he has towards her is linked to the girl he couldnt save in the past (imouto? O.o) ~ but heck its better than what i can think of XD
I'm 95% certain that those girls are one and the same person =) Seeing that Rozen Loli has stayed as Rozen Loli for seventeen years, and is always hiding out from the sun just like Matsuri is, it would be natural to assume that she has been afflicted with the same condition as Matsuri (I'd like to call it Porphyric Hemophilia :heh:) ever since that day 17 years ago. To add something from the loony bin, I'll add that Matsuri may have saved Rozen Loli's life back then, at the expense of granting her immortality. Maybe she made her drink her blood to compensate for the blood loss?
Sinestra
2007-05-09, 12:37
Well Im a little late getting in here honestly i knew nothing about the series before its start. but i had heard others comment on it frequently. I sat down last night and watched all 5 current episodes back to back. I must say that im impressed and pleasently surprised. First off the story is fun and keeps you intersted by providing just enough information to keep you interested yet not rushing or giving away too much story at once. Also, I love the animation which is no surprised consideing Nomad made it.. Matsuri Shihou's seniyuu Mamiko Noto in my opinion does a great job bring out the emotion of her character and the range of her voice is perfect for the role.
I will say the biggest surprise to me was finding out that Matsuri was not human and im starting think that Aono is not human either. Iv loved everything leading up to episode 5 and its just made my curosity grow more and more. I will definetly be watching Sola every week now without fail
Klashikari
2007-05-09, 12:41
errm... where do you see a blatant proof aono isn't human? (it might be true, since she looks like having a link with Matsuri, but there isn't any solid evidence yet... or did i miss it? ~~)
Sinestra
2007-05-09, 12:54
errm... where do you see a blatant proof aono isn't human? (it might be true, since she looks like having a link with Matsuri, but there isn't any solid evidence yet... or did i miss it? ~~)
No you didnt miss anything i made a couple of typos so it was not written the way i wanted to say it. There has been nothing said about Aono being anything but human. I just have a hunch with the way things are unfolding i could be totally wrong but i cant shake the feeling that there is more to her than just being a normal human. So no there is no solid evidence sorry for the confusion
Deathkillz
2007-05-09, 14:30
I'm 95% certain that those girls are one and the same person =) Seeing that Rozen Loli has stayed as Rozen Loli for seventeen years, and is always hiding out from the sun just like Matsuri is, it would be natural to assume that she has been afflicted with the same condition as Matsuri (I'd like to call it Porphyric Hemophilia :heh:) ever since that day 17 years ago. To add something from the loony bin, I'll add that Matsuri may have saved Rozen Loli's life back then, at the expense of granting her immortality. Maybe she made her drink her blood to compensate for the blood loss?
you have a point there...i was going to comment that they both have different eye colours but looking again the hues are near enough the same O.o
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could be a good point that she was saved by matsuri but the side effect resulted in her being immortal...that the second scene a few years later where people are supposidly trying to kill the "vampire" ~ hmm
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5932/snapshot20070509202713uz8.th.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20070509202713uz8.jpg)
octoberasian
2007-05-10, 02:22
you have a point there...i was going to comment that they both have different eye colours but looking again the hues are near enough the same O.o
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8874/snapshot20070509202526bl4.th.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20070509202526bl4.jpg) http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1006/snapshot20070509202725qh1.th.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20070509202725qh1.jpg) http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3931/snapshot20070509202637sj5.th.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20070509202637sj5.jpg)
could be a good point that she was saved by matsuri but the side effect resulted in her being immortal...that the second scene a few years later where people are supposidly trying to kill the "vampire" ~ hmm
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/5932/snapshot20070509202713uz8.th.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20070509202713uz8.jpg)
That's a good connection that you showed there. It does make it seem that Matsuri wasn't a bad person per se if she indeed saved Mayuko from death. The downside is immortality... wait, is that a bad thing? O.o Especially staying in "Rozen Loli" form for a long time? XD I guess her brother didn't like the idea. Also... remember in Ep.5 somewhere that he mentioned that he needed Matsuri's life... why? I'm thinking that Takeshi believes that by taking Matsuri's life will end whatever Mayuko is affected with and "save" her. Possibility?
But... shouldn't Takeshi be going after the people that wanted to kill his family and/or sister? That would be the more logical path to this.
Hmm, I think this is what Matsuri meant to Yorito that he'll eventually hate her.
Klashikari
2007-05-10, 08:05
wait, is that a bad thing? O.o Especially staying in "Rozen Loli" form for a long time? XD I guess her brother didn't like the idea.
note : i might be too serious here, so maybe you should ignore this post at once ~~
immortality is much more a curse than a blessing.
let's imagine this :you are stuck forever in a child body, you will never be able to enjoy your adult future.
also, until you can die or break the "curse", you will witness death of the ones you care. (the grief isn't really pleasant)
and finally, most people will simply get freaked out by such "monster" (as we can see in takeshi's flashback in this episode), or others can just track you down, and analyse you like a guinea pig to obtain the immortality secret.
and the most ignored fact is : living beyond your original life span will probably bore you to death. (guess i'm entering in some philosophy cheesy field, but life is short which gives us the opportunity to enjoy at the fullest. no more limits? well... what are you gonna do tomorrow? and after, and after...?)
I think Mayuko will probably snaps if Takeshi dies when just have the "luxury" to survive from anything (except if she is the same as matsuri)
Also... remember in Ep.5 somewhere that he mentioned that he needed Matsuri's life... why? I'm thinking that Takeshi believes that by taking Matsuri's life will end whatever Mayuko is affected with and "save" her. Possibility?
But... shouldn't Takeshi be going after the people that wanted to kill his family and/or sister? That would be the more logical path to this.
We don't really know if Mayuko was indeed targeted by some murderers.
also, even if Takeshi defeat them, will this "heal" mayuko from her immortality?
Ascaloth
2007-05-10, 08:11
note : i might be too serious here, so maybe you should ignore this post at once ~~
immortality is much more a curse than a blessing.
let's imagine this :you are stuck forever in a child body, you will never be able to enjoy your adult future.
also, until you can die or break the "curse", you will witness death of the ones you care. (the grief isn't really pleasant)
and finally, most people will simply get freaked out by such "monster" (as we can see in takeshi's flashback in this episode), or others can just track you down, and analyse you like a guinea pig to obtain the immortality secret.
and the most ignored fact is : living beyond your original life span will probably bore you to death. (guess i'm entering in some philosophy cheesy field, but life is short which gives us the opportunity to enjoy at the fullest. no more limits? well... what are you gonna do tomorrow? and after, and after...?)
I think Mayuko will probably snaps if Takeshi dies when just have the "luxury" to survive from anything (except if she is the same as matsuri)
We don't really know if Mayuko was indeed targeted by some murderers.
also, even if Takeshi defeat them, will this "heal" mayuko from her immortality?
In short.....think Claudia from Interview With The Vampire. ;)
Rengemaru
2007-05-11, 11:56
I think Mayuko will probably snaps if Takeshi dies when just have the "luxury" to survive from anything (except if she is the same as matsuri)
I have a feeling she is the same as Matsuri. She has always been hiding in boxes and trash cans. and as seen in ep5, Takeshi took her to stay at the church
Also, Matsuri was so MOE! with that pony tail.
So far, the Matsuri-Yorito is one of the best character interactions of any show in the last little while. sola itself is developing very nicely, and has the potential of becoming a very good show. However, it's going to be quite interesting as to how the story is going to develop. The biggest enigma so far is what Aono's role is going to be. She's the third-billed character, but we haven't seen very much to warrant that so far.
On a personal note, I'd probably like sola just as much if never developed the story at all. As long as we get good dialogue and character interaction, I'll be happy.
Telliamed
2007-05-11, 17:36
Or they could keep showing Matsuri in cute clothing and hair styles going on dates with Yorito for the next six episodes and not bother with all that silly plot business. That'd satisfy most people.
Someone earlier said that Takeshi should repay Yorito for the curtains. I thought the curtains were ugly. It's the clothes Mana gave her I'm worried about. I want my Matsuri fashion show!
Haha Kayori just revealed the storyline.
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