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NoSanninWa
2007-05-08, 18:16
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wrex_japan
2007-05-08, 18:32
Ep. 6 screencaps and summary. (http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/?p=504)
Clare brings out human feelings in Teresa... or is it motherly feelings? You can see why so many people like Teresa... her speed and prowess as a Claymore is unsurpassed... but it's her human side that makes her so endearing. It's too bad that it seems this will lead to a tragic end for her... (though I don't know yet because I haven't read the conclusion in the manga)
hi no ken Jebus
2007-05-08, 18:57
This one was pretty good all around the action was nicely done and some psycho Seki Tomokazu is always nice. Ending it with the guy calling for no. 2-5 to go after Teresa was a nice touch. So I hope madhouse will do a nice follow up with the action to come.
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4618/cm06cn9.th.jpg (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cm06cn9.jpg)
Another very very solid 9. They handled the development very well, particularly the final scene of the episode.
Episodes 7+8 will be crunch time for Madhouse. If they somehow manage to pull this off, we've got a real classic in the making.
dutchman
2007-05-08, 22:34
Absolute fantastic ep. I only gave it an 9 (is a 10) otherwise I wouldn't be able to go higher in future eps :D
I love the scene with the bandit leader where is he bragging about his falcone / whip sword. About how quick and deadly it is and that nobody can match it speed and bla bla bla. And the next second Teresa is already standing next to him after cutting him down hehe that is price less
Also in the preview you saw already a short screenshot of some of the single digits send after Teresa man this series seriously keeps up with my high expectations of it.
Xellos-_^
2007-05-08, 23:37
the director is doing a amazing job of adapting form the manga. EP6 is about as good a adaption as any manga fan could want. I would give ep6 a 10 but i want to hold it in reserve for ep7.
Fenrir_valindri
2007-05-09, 00:35
the director is doing a amazing job of adapting form the manga. EP6 is about as good a adaption as any manga fan could want. I would ep6 a 10 but i want hodl it in reserve for ep7.
I agree, they did an excellent job with this episode, and I am saving my ten for episode 7 or 8 as well :P
the director is doing a amazing job of adapting form the manga. EP6 is about as good a adaption as any manga fan could want. I would give ep6 a 10 but i want to hold it in reserve for ep7.
I agree. Same with the 10 :)
For the protocol, Episode 06 subbed is out. Go grab it, whiles still hot :)
Nice. over 1000 peers wants them.... We gone beat Bleach someday in some year :)
about 30 mins later.. over 1600 peers now...
*gasp* after 5 hours nearly 1000 Seeders and over 3700 Peers.... WOW....:o
for me, with these good results so far. a US license is possible.
Xellos-_^
2007-05-09, 11:48
I was looking at ANN at some of the other work this director has done and it seems Claymore is this guys Directorial Debut. He was assistant director for a number of project but this is the first time he is the head director.
dutchman
2007-05-09, 12:03
I was looking at ANN at some of the other work this director has done and it seems Claymore is this guys Directorial Debut. He was assistant director for a number of project but this is the first time he is the head director.
THat is good for us and the claymore project. He is probably giving his best and putting his heard and soul into it :)
really enjoying this flashback arc so far, moreso than the main story itself.
really enjoying this flashback arc so far, moreso than the main story itself.
Actually, the "main story" you were referring to was the introductory arc. The real main story actually starts from the current flashback arc. :heh:
whitepearl
2007-05-09, 14:35
Awesome episode on many levels
Solid 9/10
Deathkillz
2007-05-09, 15:02
i think im gonna cry...
just looking at the preview and the though of teresa leaving clare (well its dam predictable isnt it) is enough for me to turn on my taps of sorrow :sad: another amazing ep which continues on...the flashback and clare's origin ~
i really love how this ep gave me an emotional rollercoster with all the ups and downs of a perfect drama in the making...twists turn tables further twists and now even the organization being twisted itself was half expected but even so its done in a wonderful way :D sigh i guess ill need to brace myself for next ep >.< as for now...perfect 10! (couldnt resist ;_;
Actually, the "main story" you were referring to was the introductory arc. The real main story actually starts from the current flashback arc. :heh:
Wow, I'm so happy to hear this. I share the same thoughts about preferring this arc.
Xellos-_^
2007-05-09, 17:37
Wow, I'm so happy to hear this. I share the same thoughts about preferring this arc.
The real Story line begins at the end of the Flashback. Which is why i am saving the 10 for Ep7.
Kinematics
2007-05-09, 18:15
Beautifully done. Several scenes that got a few tears.
On the action side, I loved Teresa running straight down the cliff before launching herself back at the villange. Showed just how fast she can move when she really wants to. Poor guy with the whip sword never had a chance. Teresa ran past and sliced him literally between rotations of the chain.
Of course in the final execution scene they just used speed lines (well, with a couple initial steps), but that was as much for dramatic impact as anything. Rather difficult to convey all that movement at once, though. The other fights with the humans were pretty much irrelevant and easily discarded in the "it happened, let's move on" section. I have no problem with that, but I really want to see how well the 'real' fights against numbers 2-5 are animated. If this new director really is putting everything he's got into it, they will be a sight to behold.
I think the point that Teresa made the final decision to live was at the MIB's answer to her question of what was going to happen to Clare. Teresa wanted Clare to have a chance at a real, human life. The agent's answer very strongly implied Clare was going to end up another project child (parents killed by yoma, no family, etc). Teresa couldn't just acquiece and let them do that, and the only way to prevent it was to live -- for Clare.
So we get to start and end the episode with "Awwwww" moments. Despite all the problems in between, this episode is all for Teresa and Clare, and you feel that they really do belong together. More trials and tribulations ahead, of course, but maybe that smile isn't quite so faint now.
Ok, the second MIB (well, shadowy figure, not sure it had the MIB robe) that showed up at the end, can anyone identify the voice? Is it Clare's handler from earlier in the series, or just another random shlub? Doesn't seem to match up with his voice in the credits, but I'm not entirely sure.
That was a solid episode --- easily worth a 10 in my books. My main interest in this show is seeing how the Claymore adapt to human feelings, and this episode was just that. It helps coming from such a strong character, Teresa is a perfect character. & wow, you just can't beat a battle scene like that --- together with fire surrounding the battle field.
Solid drama, and great action --- perfect episode to me. Give me more~
(& yeah, i'm one hell of a Teresa fanboy now. :3)
Really good. She know she is going to die, but she does not regret. Strong character she is. But the sadder part is that it is looking like Clare is going to be forced into being a Claymore. But it is good to see that they still have hearts and souls. They are just deeply hidden.
But the sadder part is that it is looking like Clare is going to be forced into being a Claymore.
but then in episode 2, when raki asked her why did she become a claymore, she said she decided to become one when she was little......
Wosho128
2007-05-09, 19:54
Teresa, you kick butt!
Seriously, her resolution is amazing. She violates all the rules to protect Clare and she doesn't regret any of it. I loved the scene where Teresa embraces Clare; her realization of what Clare originally intended upon their first meeting was heartwarming.
I'm terribly happy that Teresa has found something to live for; even if she has to injure Claymore and kill despicable bandits to do it.
but then in episode 2, when raki asked her why did she become a claymore, she said she decided to become one when she was little......
She could have been brainwashed, or just grew to accept her forceful entry. How ever it happens, we will probably find out soon.
Teresa is definitely my fav Claymore. :)
I gave this ep. a "10".
She could have been brainwashed, or just grew to accept her forceful entry. How ever it happens, we will probably find out soon.
yes, you will ^_^
Am I the only one that got a little watery-eyed when Clare "saved" Teresa this ep?
Another excellent episode.
The bandit leader's demise was definitely one of the highlights but I was thinking, if he's so confident in his abilities (to the point where he thinks he can take on a claymore) why didn't he just kill the youma himself?
His excuse of not knowing who the youma is doesn't seem valid since he plans to kill all the villagers anyway. Just something i found odd.:heh:
Kabitzin
2007-05-09, 23:05
When you think about it, it's really not that big a deal to defy the organization. It's not like a Claymore can work for 25 years and then retire while scoring a phat pension...
chrry370
2007-05-09, 23:32
Oh this episode just simply rocked...Gotta love teresa!
This episode clearly shows the strong bond between clare and teresa... i wonder what happened to teresa later?
hope she doesnt die (she's my favourite character! ) but it isnt looking too good...
i'm so desperate that i might even check the manga lol...please dont die teresa!
The best episodes for me so far. Teresa x Clare made more impact for me than Clare x Raki. Not to mention it's nice that Teresa didn't just give up to the Organization.
Still, not too happy with the use of speed lines when it comes to action sequence... they really should put more effort to animating them especially when more meaningful enemies comes into play later on in the series (the bad guys so far been fodders other than the big demon in the church)
Mithinco
2007-05-10, 00:03
What a tear jerker. Teresa and Clare are awesome! I just wish that the villagers could really show their appreciation better. Maybe a hug, an honest thank you, or celebration rather than just the reward? Everyone makes it seem as if a Claymore's occupation is a dead end job. Well, I guess that's how it is when everyone views them as silver-eyed witches. :mad:
thundrakkon
2007-05-10, 00:13
Simply amazing. And no, Alanmh, you are not the only one to get teary eyes. Deathkillz would probably agree with you as well as I.
I noticed something in the intro. There was a Yoma that for some reason to me, resembles Teresa. If my train of thought is correct, Teresa might end up using her Yoma powers for the up coming fight, in which she might completely turn Yoma. Then Clare will become a Claymore to "help" Teresa from her misery, so to speak. I really don't want an answer from manga readers since it is just my speculation, and I prefer to be surprised. Just a thought.
Everything about Teresa has turned out wonderfully. I understand now why so many people like her. Not only is she powerful, she has a personality and heart to match. Also, I have a sense that her intelligence and intuition is far beyond the grow-up Clare Claymore. I wonder how Lacus Clyne would compare to her? (although I might have just written my death note with that question).
I wouldn't really mind if the rest of the series is just "The Adventures of Teresa and Clare" (although from what others have mentioned, it will probably be only 2 more eps).
What a tear jerker. Teresa and Clare are awesome! I just wish that the villagers could really show their appreciation better. Maybe a hug, an honest thank you, or celebration rather than just the reward? Everyone makes it seem as if a Claymore's occupation is a dead end job. Well, I guess that's how it is when everyone views them as silver-eyed witches. :mad:
It literally is...when the Youma starts to take over you have someone kill you. That is what I call a dead end job.
Another excellent episode.
The bandit leader's demise was definitely one of the highlights but I was thinking, if he's so confident in his abilities (to the point where he thinks he can take on a claymore) why didn't he just kill the youma himself?
His excuse of not knowing who the youma is doesn't seem valid since he plans to kill all the villagers anyway. Just something i found odd.:heh:
Well, I think this is easy to explain
He simply cant kill all villagers by himself, so he needs his subordinates. As confident as he is, his minors still fear yumo and dare not to attack the village. If he must attack, he either comes alone or forces his minors to go with him. Both may end up bad.
NoSanninWa
2007-05-10, 01:31
Not knowing the youma's identity means he might get ambushed or maybe it will kill one of his men and steal its identity to more easily ambush him. Or maybe he just thinks it is a lot of bother to kill a youma when all he needs to do is to wait for the Claymore to kill it.
Of course, he probably under estimated how dangerous a youma really is. As said in the prologue to the Bastard anime, "Human beings were miserably inadequate."
Sai the Dreamer
2007-05-10, 02:25
She could have been brainwashed, or just grew to accept her forceful entry. How ever it happens, we will probably find out soon.
Or it could've been an intentional lie. Just speculation. :p
Absolutely loved this episode, and Teresa. What more can I say? She's one of the most entertaining female characters I've ever seen. :D
Also:
Am I the only one that got a little watery-eyed when Clare "saved" Teresa this ep?
Not at all! I was watery-eyed for most of the episode, and also for the second one in a row. :heh:
IMSabbel
2007-05-10, 03:11
Well, I think this is easy to explain
He simply cant kill all villagers by himself, so he needs his subordinates. As confident as he is, his minors still fear yumo and dare not to attack the village. If he must attack, he either comes alone or forces his minors to go with him. Both may end up bad.
He might _think_ that, but in reality its more like a huge overinflation in his ego.
I guess those two knights from ep 3/4 would have been enough to kill him.
outcast_within
2007-05-10, 06:32
Am i the only one who really missed the frieky tune?
I love that eerie vibe :)
Plus i am a raki/clare fan so it's sad to here that their story isn't being continued
Tempest35
2007-05-10, 07:23
I really loved Tesea's eyes in that night scene. Made her look so much like those big cat predators and the eyes that 'glow' in the dark. Props to the animators on that.
Although, I have to say that nearly every male with the exception of those that showed up in ep 5 are pretty much...bad. All the rest are spineless. :heh:
toxic_trance
2007-05-10, 08:09
I am so strengthening my heart for the next episode...at present my heart is in no condition to face next week.
MADHOUSE..again u deserve a lot of credit...an absolute brilliant job at the adaptation.. Keep it Up
PS: I still liked the manga part of Teresa breakin into tears more than the anime i gues..but at the rest..i think it s a job well done
Justice Knight
2007-05-10, 10:08
10/10 for this ep and this ep shows that
rules are made to be broken
:heh: :heh: :heh:
btw about the 4 fools who tried to kill teressa,wat rank are they?
Unknown, even in the manga.
Tempest35
2007-05-10, 10:38
Probably some 30 to 20 ranked girls. Teresa was just suppose to let herself get stabbed by them according to what's-his-face's reaction. Phhft, yeah right.
It's too bad that no mere mortal man can ever be enough for a Claymore girl. XD Teresa...mmm
Child_of_Sierra
2007-05-10, 11:20
what's weird though is that there were several of them there to kill her. If her superiors were so sure she'd allow herself to be executed surely one Claymore should have been enough.
Kinematics
2007-05-10, 11:35
Also, from the way Clare acted in ep 4, a simple decapitation would have been far more efficient. Probably goes more along with how Clare killed Elena in ep 2, with the clean strike as they pass each other. Possibly some sort of formalized ritual that in some sense indicates the soon-to-be-dead still has a measure of respect from her peers, and should still be treated honorably, as a 'human'.
Plus, yeah, if a Claymore has gone far enough over the edge to have broken one of the primary tenets they're indoctrinated with, you probably want to have a little bit of backup, just in case they decide to go completely spuffy (and Teresa is the most powerful of the Claymores). While Teresa's reasons for killing are more about vengeful justice, if some other Claymore had decided to go serial-killer, they probably wouldn't have been as polite at the execution.
Don't compare this two things. The Black Card is another thing then somebody breaks the Iron Rules. With the Black Card the rules are not broken...
Deathkillz
2007-05-10, 13:30
what's weird though is that there were several of them there to kill her. If her superiors were so sure she'd allow herself to be executed surely one Claymore should have been enough.
maybe it was a "just to be safe" kinda thing...yea as if any average claymore could take down teresa XD usually numbers works pretty well with single targets but that depends on the pray...boy i cant wait to see a royal rumble next ep @_@
Well, i have my suggestion about, why there are 4 Claymores.
You know the old Western Army executions?
execution with eye bandage and a wall with 5 Rifleman? 4 have so "piff paff" ammo and only 1 has a real ammo. Perhaps it's this kind of thing....
other explanation are not spoiler proved...
Child_of_Sierra
2007-05-10, 14:45
yeah, that was what I was trying to say with my previous post:
if they were not sure she would willingly submit then calling in claymores that were no match to Teresa was as good as commiting suicide.
Normally, to avoid being hunted by their kind claymores would opt not to kill humans, but when you are ordered to willingly accept death then running away and being hunted seem to be a better choice. Teresa just made the logical choice which surprisingly caught her handlers off guard. I can't help but think that not only are claymores considered tools by their masters/employers but also as mindless automatons who are incapable of individual thought or decisions.
Well, i have my suggestion about, why there are 4 Claymores.
You know the old Western Army executions?
execution with eye bandage and a wall with 5 Rifleman? 4 have so "piff paff" ammo and only 1 has a real ammo. Perhaps it's this kind of thing....
other explanation are not spoiler proved...
Er no, it's the other way round ;)
4 have real ammo, 1 has blanks.
I guess the "overwhelming odds to smother any resistance" is the best explanation
Kinematics
2007-05-10, 14:54
Hmm.. This has got me wondering about some stuff now, but to fully explore it I'm going to need to draw a bit from the manga. I'll try to work some of the thoughts out in the English manga thread.
Sinestra
2007-05-10, 17:22
superb episode, it was so heartwarming when Clare finally spoke and let Teresa know why she had followed her the whole time. They were basically 2 sides of the same coin. Clare saw her self in Teresa all the pain, sadness and loneliness, she had experienced so had Teresa It seems to me that Teresa was empty all this time she didnt really have a reason to live besides killing Yoma. Now she has someone who she wants to protect another human life. In a way protecting Clare gives Teresa back a part of her humanity. She was always saying go Clare live as a human.
To break Iron clad rules such as to never kill a human the emotions must be strong and emotion was the key to trigging her action. I think now Teresa is more dangerous than was before. I mean look at what she did to the bandits who hurt Clare anyone who tries to hurt Clare is in for a nasty end not to mention a bloody one.
Teresa being the top dog among Claremore's of course it would not be easy to defeat her. I was not surprised when she took out her execution squad, in the most beautiful of ways may i add. Inflicting enough damage to put them down but to kill them. That faint smile hides some deadly skills but with Clare the smile will no longer be front its real she has someone to smile to and about.
How things from now on is going to be hard to say. Claymore's 2 through 5 have been called and i assume thats in order of there skill. Teresa is good but how long can she hold of 4 of the most power Claymore's? Even if all of them are weaker than her sheer number alone put them in the same league as her. Cant wait for the next one let the hunt begin.
side note it seems to me that a close human to a Claymore makes that Claymore slows the process of becoming a Yoma. Also, gives them back a piece of their humanity they become more human and show emotions more almost like they are human again.
Favorite Quote from this episode.
Teresa: Tears can flow, from silver eyes as well
chrry370
2007-05-11, 04:41
i just absolutely loved this episode and i cant get over how amazing this episode is. A perfect 10. does anyone know whether Teresa is main in claymore? I mean i definitely know Clare and Raki are supposedly main, any ideas where Teresa stands? :)
I too wouldn't mind if it were " The adventures of Clare and Teresa" lol :D
TinyRedLeaf
2007-05-11, 07:46
9/10 from me. Because I highly suspect that the best is yet to come. :D
Claymore is fast becoming the one anime I must watch this season. Shame I didn't pick up the manga when I first noticed it on the shelves ages ago, even though it did stir my interest at the time.
There are so many things to like about the general direction this series is going. I now understand better what NoSanninWa meant when he mentioned how this series has a very "human" dimension to it.
To me, a Claymore is a personification of a human who has fully released the monster within ("if you stare long into the abyss, the abyss stares back at you"), and allowed the darkest aspects of human nature to bubble to the surface, literally turning the individual into something inhuman in the process.
Teresa comes across as an individual who had nothing else to lose, and therefore did not mind becoming a monster to perhaps avenge some wrong committed to her, back when she was still fully human (I am now very curious to know what motivated humans like Clare and Teresa to become Claymores). In the process she becomes less than human, and ironically, it becomes her duty to protect the very humanity that she has lost (and evidently cares little for).
At yet, at the same time, it is clear that there is a fair amount of self-loathing. Teresa claimed that she didn't have any reason to live, other than to kill Yomas, but the way she said it, it seems to me that she didn't quite like the fact she didn't have a better reason to live.
That's......so very human. How strange for a half-human to feel the way a human would. :p
So yes, Clare is the humanising influence that proves to be Teresa's salvation (and probably her doom), in the same way that Raki probably would end up "saving" Clare as well.
Claymore underscores the main reason why I like Japanese stories so much more than Hollywood stories -- it never lets up on a fundamental understanding that killing is something monstrous, but at the same time, it challenges the viewer to think of how difficult it is to apply that fundamental rule in an imperfect world, where some humans are more despicable than demons.
Teresa is a imported person for Clare, thats for sure. Just keep watching, and you will regret that there is no a Godlike 11 in this poll here. I promise you that, trust me.
This was an absolutely beautiful and intense episode.
This is about bonding, and how the depth of an ingrained bond can overcome the prohibitions imposed by rules.
Teresa lost everything and gave no hell to whatever reason she chose to live on as a monster weapon to hunt down monsters for the rest of her life.
But through contact with Clare she steadily recovered her emotions. She now no longer takes for granted that life is a mess. She has now Clare as her precious person to live for and stand against anyone who dares to tresspass between them whether be ordinary humans or her higher bosses at the Organization with her Claymore peers going after her.
For me the most poignant moment for this episode came when Clare struggled and at least recover her voice, crying to comfort Teresa that both share the same pain.
There is daily truth portrayed in this episode, that people who have endured a hellish pain or suffered a deep loss hold an affinity with other people who have gone through the same experience as well.
This was bloody fun, and Teresa herself owns!!
But I am feeling dread when the men in black issued orders for Claymores no. 2 to 5 to gather and go for Teresa's head.
I must assume that the first five Claymore that Teresa pawned without a single drop of sweat were low-ranked Claymore while those shown in the preview belong to the high-class.
10/10 for this ep and this ep shows that
btw about the 4 fools who tried to kill teressa,wat rank are they?
well you can't really call them a fool
since they were ordered to do that >.>
Sorrow-K
2007-05-11, 19:31
The Tenets of Good Storytelling, by Madhouse Studios.
Not much to say about this ep that hasn't already been said, except: this is how you tell a story. The script itself was quite good, but the technical execution, from pacing to excellent directing, really allowed the story to shine. Obviously it's still too early to say for certain, but it looks like Madhouse have done it again. Shame on me for every doubting them.
zato_1one
2007-05-12, 01:50
Awesome episode! Oh man, Clare is too cute. Her voice is so adorable. :love:
This episode contains so many touching scenes. Especially a scene when Clare tried to talk and exposed her feeling to Teresa. And a moment when Teresa furiously said to kill all of those bandits was priceless.
Even though, I have already read manga. I still felt very excite when MIB said that "Gather number two through number five. Have them go after Teresa's head." Can't wait for next episode. The fighting between the most strongest Claymore.
And for the execution scene, I just remember about an old era. The execution for the rebel leader was to be dismembered by 5 horses. Their body was tied with each horses. 1 head 2 arms and 2 legs. Try to imagine what happened when each horses ran at the same time in separate direction... And corpse was impaled on later.
In this case, Teresa broke the ironclad rule of the organization. No doubt that she was judged to be executed. May be the organization just wanted to prevent Claymore breaking this rule so they decided to use the brutal way of punishment. 5 Claymore, aimed at head, arms and legs. But Teresa was too good to be cut. :cool:
Claymore_Obsessed
2007-05-12, 05:55
Well, i have my suggestion about, why there are 4 Claymores.
You know the old Western Army executions?
execution with eye bandage and a wall with 5 Rifleman? 4 have so "piff paff" ammo and only 1 has a real ammo. Perhaps it's this kind of thing....
other explanation are not spoiler proved...
I agree, I had the same idea.
After all, that was supposed to be a full-fledged execution
Loved this episode :D I loved it when I read the manga (was very moving already) but I was surprised how well the TV version was able to capture that same feeling again and make it even more alive...
Great adaptation; I gave this episode a 9/10. I'm getting really excited to see how Madhouse handles the later volumes in the series.
Best episode of the whole season till now... voted for Perfect 10.
The episode so so touching and Teresa is a great chraracter.
In my opinion the animation of Clares and Teresa's faces were much prettier than in the previous episodes, or is it just me?
Fruitfly
2007-05-13, 20:29
Episode 6 gets a perfect 10 from me too
I almost shed a tear twice in this episode. :heh:
Can't wait to see the next episode and see who the best 2-5 Claymores are. (but I'm sure I know who one of them is). Just itching to know what rank Clair is.
The only thing I found gratifying about this episode was that Teresa killed all the bandits.
About the end, I was really expecting Teresa to take her own life. It just seemed right that she should; and it seemed wrong (dishonourable) that she should be killed by Claymores less powerful than herself. I don't know, maybe this Japanese-popular notion of taking one's life to preserve honour must have grown on me.
I don't know, maybe this Japanese-popular notion of taking one's life to preserve honour must have grown on me.
You are not alone, i was raised with Japanese Animes, and the honor that they use it on them....You must always protect, the weak ones/girls and so on... "Future boy Conan" <- first ever anime, Nausicaa and the valley of the wind, Fist of the north Star and many more, that names i know forgotten with time....
HinaThePrince
2007-05-14, 04:19
About the end, I was really expecting Teresa to take her own life. It just seemed right that she should; and it seemed wrong (dishonourable) that she should be killed by Claymores less powerful than herself. I don't know, maybe this Japanese-popular notion of taking one's life to preserve honour must have grown on me.
Two things:
1. Claymore does not take place in Japan. The characters are not Japanese. I think the names kind of gave it away, along with the medieval setting.
2. Teresa does not care about honor, she only cares about protecting Clare. It's her reason for living, so naturally she'll try to live as long as possible.
Deathkillz
2007-05-14, 18:20
The only thing I found gratifying about this episode was that Teresa killed all the bandits.
About the end, I was really expecting Teresa to take her own life. It just seemed right that she should; and it seemed wrong (dishonourable) that she should be killed by Claymores less powerful than herself. I don't know, maybe this Japanese-popular notion of taking one's life to preserve honour must have grown on me.
yea but its almost a tradition for the claymores to be killed by their own kind rather taking their own lives...perhaps this is considered honourable than suicide...but it doesnt matter anymore as she has turned against the organisation...why do i get the feeling that the organisation is going to loose it's top 6 claymores :heh:
The only thing I found gratifying about this episode was that Teresa killed all the bandits.
About the end, I was really expecting Teresa to take her own life. It just seemed right that she should; and it seemed wrong (dishonourable) that she should be killed by Claymores less powerful than herself. I don't know, maybe this Japanese-popular notion of taking one's life to preserve honour must have grown on me.
yea but its almost a tradition for the claymores to be killed by their own kind rather taking their own lives...perhaps this is considered honourable than suicide...but it doesnt matter anymore as she has turned against the organisation...why do i get the feeling that the organisation is going to loose it's top 6 claymores :heh:
Sorry I don't believe in honor by committing suicide. I just think that it's a convenient way to not face the things that you did. Killing yourself won't make those deeds go away and it certainly won't fix them either.
Teresa did the right thing. Screw the organization. It was probably convenient to create this tradition because no one else could kill them if they did decide to break the rules. Having them go independent and keep the money for themselves prob wasn't in the organization's best interest either.
D a m i e n
2007-05-15, 10:26
episode was nice but i had read the manga up to this part so i didnt really bother watching it entirely.
out of subject, piccu that sign made me giggle.
[QUOTE=HinaThePrince;945601]Two things:
1. Claymore does not take place in Japan. The characters are not Japanese. I think the names kind of gave it away, along with the medieval setting.
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even so, its going to have a very japanese feel to it (it is made by japanese people after all), there is no way to get around that, it will have japanese influences and culture, even in a european medival setting.
Jip, the way of a warriors honor,aka like Samurai honor, and way of Bushido.
Is the Japan influence. But perhaps they use the old Knight honor for it...
Jip, the way of a warriors honor,aka like Samurai honor, and way of Bushido.
Is the Japan influence. But perhaps they use the old Knight honor for it...
Suicide is probably where samurai and Western knights differ the most. For samurai, it's an honorable end. However, most Western knights were Catholic, and suicide was considered (and is still considered) a grevious sin.
On a different note, I wonder why the organization would put such a heavy proscription against killing humans. Admittedly, the value of the services the Claymores render is very high, but there's all sorts of people who don't give a damn about it. Is there some sort of system in place in the case anyone acts out of malice?
ArmisaelXVIII
2007-05-20, 08:36
About the execution thing, I think it's just a formalism. But It may have some didactic purposes as to show claymores what happens to those who break the rule, and also to make them used to kill even their comrades if they are ordered to.
I alse agree with someone who said that it may be to put pressure in the target...
Darn it! I won't be able to sleep any time soon it seems as I'm so compelled to watch the next episode. Very good episode! This episode makes Claymore a series for me. I'll finish it no matter what. Now I also understand why I was bothered by Clare's insistence to get close to Teresa as Teresa kept hitting her to keep her away. Wow!
Is this really a shounen series? :)
The episode evoked some raw emotion I didn't feel watching a series in a while. I was pretty much cheering when she finally decided that it's about time to cross the ironclad rule about not killing humans. And when Teresa says that she has found a reason to live as the surrounding Claymore gushing blood who were just about to kill her...... kyaaaaa... :heh:
Absolutely fabulous character development between Teresa and Clare. It has taken only two episodes to develop the bond between these two, and yet it feels like they were always been part of this show. Teresa has fit right into this story. Paku Romi was a wonderful choice! Don't we all appreciate Madhouse more and more as this series progresses!? :D
Episode gets a 9.
NoSanninWa
2007-05-30, 03:39
Heh. You're hooked. You didn't even make it to the end of this arc before falling hopeless into Claymorephilia. In the previous episode discussion I was struck by your insight when you said:
I also find it puzzling why Clare kept getting up to hug Teresa's legs. She didn't appear to be needy. Frightened? Well, may be, but if she was frightened then she wouldn't have kept getting up even after getting viciously hit by Teresa. What's going on?You zeroed right in on the facts rather than being taken by the obvious wrong answer even though you didn't understand its meaning at the time.
Is this really a shounen series? :)It certainly does break the mold. The emotions are raw and intense and much more intimately personal than I am used to in shounen anime.
Episode gets a 9.Please don't rate it so highly. This show is just getting started, but you're already trying to limit how high it can go. If you make this episode a 9, then it wouldn't be possible for the show to go more than 1 notch higher. I'd say rating it higher than an 8 is underestimating its potential. Maybe it should be just a 7. ;) Oh heck, just throw away these silly numerical ratings! You said WHY you like it and HOW much you like it. That is the only response that has any value.
Please don't rate it so highly. This show is just getting started, but you're already trying to limit how high it can go. If you make this episode a 9, then it wouldn't be possible for the show to go more than 1 notch higher. I'd say rating it higher than an 8 is underestimating its potential. Maybe it should be just a 7. ;) Oh heck, just throw away these silly numerical ratings! You said WHY you like it and HOW much you like it. That is the only response that has any value.
But it was good. It was really really good. There are only very few instances (I remember most of those occasions) where I've rated an episode perfect. If you are hinting the series is going to get even better where I'll be forced to rate higher than a 9.......... *shivers* oh mommy! I'm salivating already for episode 7.
Besides, notice how I haven't voted in the poll in any of this episode discussion threads, so I'm not restricted by the limit of 10 if I need to go higher up than 10!!! I can always break out an 11 if the occasion calls for it. The rating, 9, for this episode stands. :D
Teresa/Clare1415
2007-06-04, 22:27
This episode was awesome.
Teresa and Clare hugged eachother, when Teresa kicked the asses of the bandits. Awesome!
10/10 for me!
BladeStone
2007-07-26, 08:30
Sorry for bumping an old thread, but I'm just now getting around to watching the series. Did anyone else notice that when Clare was left behind, she ran up and gave Theresa a hug and said she wanted to stay with her forever? Just like Raki did with Clare? I think it's obvious that in episode 4, that's what stopped Clare from 'turning'. Anyone else notice this?
After realizing this, I can't stop thinking about what a perfect transition the flashback was/is.
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