Relationships In The MSLN Series [SERIOUS DISCUSSION ONLY]

[Skane]

Welcome to the "Relationships In The MSLN Series [SERIOUS DISCUSSION ONLY]" thread.

The purpose of this thread is to provide a venue for members to discuss the various relationship pairings in the world of MSLN. Additionally, this thread is only for serious discussion based on the official canon. Fan-made material should not be taken into consideration. Canonical sources include-

Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha (TV) (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=4576)
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha A's (TV) (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=5770)
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS (TV) (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=6828)
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha A's Manga
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha A's to StrikerS Manga
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha Novel
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[Deathkillz]

pairings huh? well why dont we start off with a list of possible pairings ~ and this is including strikerS

Nanoha x Yuuno
Nanoha x erio
Nanoha x chrono
Nanoha x Acous
Nanoha x fate chan

Fate chan x erio
Fate chan x yunno
Fate chan x chrono
Fate chan x Dr "spaghetti" (or what ever his name is)
Fate chan x nanoha tied down

Hayate x Acous
Hayate x yuuno
Hayate x chrono

Subaru x Teana

caro x Erio

Erio x Dr "spaghetti"

(and by this time its just gets repetitive O.o but im tempted to add Zafira x Zest :heh: feel free to add more ~

*in bold are the pairings i think have the biggest chance of happening*

[Chaos2Frozen]

*in bold are the pairings i think have the biggest chance of happening*

Thats very generous of you :)

You've forgotten about our two guardian beasts though, if you one to look at possiblities ;)

[Fuyu no Sora]

pairings huh? well why dont we start off with a list of possible pairings ~ and this is including strikerS

Nanoha x erio

Fate chan x erio

Erio x Dr "spaghetti"

(and by this time its just gets repetitive O.o but im tempted to add Zafira x Zest :heh: feel free to add more ~

*in bold are the pairings i think have the biggest chance of happening*

Unless the Aces are pedophiles and they like shotas, those possibilities are highly unlikely. Also, I don't think Elio is gay. He does have Caro after all :p ;) :D :D

[raidou]

I think from all those only a few are actually canonical in some way

Nanoha x Yuuno, romanticl (A's epilogue hint, Manga hints)
Nanoha X Fate,romantic (S1/S2 hints , sound stage)
Erio X Caro, romantic (Strikers anime hints)

Subaru x Teana, really close friends/romantic (Manga hints, a little in anime)
Hayate x Vita, romantic (A's hint)
Hayate x Acous, romantic ?? (not much really for proof)

Anything else? i dont have all the sound stage so might miss some hints thrown in there.
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Erio and Caro is the most obvious for romance development so far with Nanoha/Yuuno as second followed by Fate/Nanoha (am being serious based on the manag/anime,not trying for ship war here)

-Erio and Caro pretty easy to see :) from all the hints in the anime.Very close to each other with some similarity in their unhappy past.Erio being quick and confident boy compliment Caro slightly timid and clumsy personality.

-On Nanoha and Yuuno, if you look at the manga and animes.It seems to be 1 sided so far on Yuuno.
Everything mentioned the A's epilogue was only confirmed by Yuuno not Nanoha so far.When they are together the only person that blush all the time is Yuuno.
They are nice pairing though,Yuuno knew a lot about Nanoha and he was one of the reason she is able to achieve everything so far.

-Nanoha Fate , now am not a yuri fan so i can describe this well.There is quite a number of hint that Fate might consider Nanoha more than just a friend especially in sound stage (although that SS could be interpreted differently). Very suitable match up both in personality and combat :)

Both NxF and NxY pairing seems to be 1 sided so far , either Nanoha consider all of em as equal friends,not interested/never thought of romance or she is just plain thick.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Unless the Aces are pedophiles and they like shotas, those possibilities are highly unlikely. Also, I don't think Elio is gay. He does have Caro after all :p ;) :D :D

That would leave us with...



Nanoha x Yuuno
Nanoha x chrono
Nanoha x Acous
Nanoha x fate chan

Fate chan x yunno
Fate chan x chrono
Fate chan x Dr "spaghetti" (or what ever his name is)
Fate chan x nanoha tied down

Hayate x Acous
Hayate x yuuno
Hayate x chrono

Subaru x Teana

caro x Erio

Erio x Dr "spaghetti"

+ Arf x Zafira



... Would anybody object if I scratch off the good doctor by default? :D

No?

EDIT:

I think from all those only a few are actually canonical in some way

Nanoha x Yuuno, romanticl (A's epilogue hint, Manga hints)
Nanoha X Fate,romantic (S1/S2 hints , sound stage)
Erio X Caro, romantic (Strikers anime hints)

Subaru x Teana, really close friends/romantic (Manga hints, a little in anime)
Hayate x Vita, romantic (A's hint)
Hayate x Acous, romantic ?? (not much really for proof)



Scratching off those that seem RANDOM... We're left with...



Nanoha x Yuuno
Nanoha x chrono
Nanoha x fate chan

Fate chan x chrono
Fate chan x nanoha tied down

Hayate x Acous
Hayate x yuuno
Hayate x chrono
Hayate x Vita

Subaru x Teana

caro x Erio

Arf x Zafira



... We're more or less playing 'battleship' :heh:

[dkellis]

If I remember correctly, the inability for regular users to create threads in subforums like these was due at least partly to the shipping wars in the Shuffle subforum. Ah, irony. (Even more ironic if I'm misremembering and it's something completely different.)

In any case, I think a lot of the Fate/Nanoha thing reminds me of the Tomoyo/Sakura thing from Card Captor Sakura; they're not really a couple, although perhaps they wouldn't mind being one. It's just that they're such close friends, or at least share each others' personal spaces a lot, that it is, from a broad view, indistinguishable from a romantic relationship.

A very broad view, mind.

Shipping speculations affect every fandom I've encountered. I see the female/female fantasizing here as kind of balancing out the male/male fantasizing seen in, say, the Harry Potter fandom.

"You're sick for thinking that Fate and Nanoha should be a couple!"

"Um, I distinctly remember you pairing up Seiran and Ensei from Saiunkoku Monogatari."

"That's different! Look at how they act when they're together!"

"... are you even listening to what you're saying?"

Yeah, I'm more than a little bitter about shipping wars.

Anyway. Being in the CCS fandom has showed me that no matter if there is a canon pairing, the fans will not stop shipping their favourite couples. Heck, I'm guilty of this myself: I still think Tomoyo deserves to be closer to Sakura than she ends up being at the end of CCS.

That said, we're clearly seeing at least the start of a Caro/Elio romantic relationship. Only time will tell if this will continue, although considering the various MSLN series haven't thrown that many curveballs at us, we should be safe in assuming that it'll be canon at the end. (Well, unless something untoward happens to one or the other.)

I think the Yuuno/Nanoha pairing was conceived of at the beginning of the first season, but I'm not sure if the creators were intending to bait-and-switch us with Fate/Nanoha, or if Yuuno/Nanoha is still considered canon. Or at least, as canon as possible with Nanoha's workaholism. Nanoha, thus far in StrikerS, does not appear to have advanced any romantic relationships with anyone, at least not onscreen; it is entirely possible, if unlikely, that she may have experimented in dating with someone, be it Fate, Yuuno, or some other character.

Judging from the pre-StrikerS drama album, though, again, this is unlikely. Nanoha seems rather oblivious to romance.

I don't know how close Teana and Subaru really are. I'm guessing that their status right now is basically Close Friends, although not as close as Nanoha and Fate. In fact, I'd peg them more as akin to Arisa and Suzuka; they get into trouble sometimes, both with each other and with other people, but they stay together through thick and thin.

I really hope we'll be seeing Arisa and Suzuka in StrikerS. With all the talk about Friendship and how Nanoha's and Fate's friendship lasted for so long, it'll be a bit of a pity if Arisa and Suzuka, who were Nanoha's best friends prior her finding Raising Heart, were forgotten entirely.

Random speculation: we know that Arisa and Suzuka were told about the TSAB and such. We know that they've met Yuuno in ferret-form (heck, they found him first), and I think they met Yuuno in human-form (or at least should have) in the third (flower-watching) Sound Stage. Maybe Yuuno's been keeping in contact with them? Miyuki didn't seem that stunned that Yuuno was actually a boy (she mostly sounded disappointed that there wouldn't be much more of "ferret-mode"), so I'm wondering what Arisa and Suzuka's reactions would have been.

Again, however, random speculation. It's possible that we'll not see any of the non-magical Earth-born characters in StrikerS.

A final question: is this thread mostly for the romantic relationships, or are other sorts of relationships (familial and platonic friendship, off the top of my head) included?

[Fuyu no Sora]

A final question: is this thread mostly for the romantic relationships, or are other sorts of relationships (familial and platonic friendship, off the top of my head) included?

Relationships Thread. All relationships acceptable I daresay.

[Nightengale]

Yeah, because summing up all the relationship...so far, it's like...

ONE BIG HAPPY pseudo-FAMILY.

[krisslanza]

Well time to start tossing in my own opinions on the pairings of Nanoha...
I'll try and keep my post as unbiased as I can, but I'll openly admit this right now:

I'm heavily biased towards Nanoha x Fate. So while I'll try and give reasoning and such, just keep in mind I'm biased and may interpret things to way I'd like rather then the intended way.

So moving right along, I'll start with Nanoha x Fate...

Nanoha x Fate: At the very, very least it's obvious these two are immensely close friends. That's an indisputable fact I'd have to say, correct? Now romantically... There's nothing concrete of course, otherwise this'd be the only pairing of these two characters, ne?

The 'evidence' we have is their rather, highly unusually close relationship you could say. While we know Fate is a rather shy girl it seems, and blushes rather easily, Nanoha and Fate tend to blush a lot when speaking to one another in MSLN and A's. Plus, usually when the two are speaking alone the music in the background seems to take on a very soft, soothing, almost romantic like melody.

The best example of that musical change is in episode 3 of A's after the events in episode 1 and 2. I'll openly admit this, I half expected to see a kiss in that scene when I watched it today. I'll blame KnM for that, but that's besides the point.

Although I will admit I find it unlikely Nanoha and Fate are a couple in MSLN or A's, as they are 9 and then 11, an age I'd think is a little too young to actually understand what love is. Perhaps in A's it's a possibility, but I'm just speculating.

Now StrikerS gives us some more material to support a potential pairing of the two. Namely that the two share a room and bed. It's obviously not 100% proof, but it gives a lot of support to the pairing, not that this counts as evidence but a few fanfictions have used that fact to support a romantic relationship.

One last tidbit that comes to mind off the top of my head is the ending song to A's "Spiritual Garden". It's all about Nanoha's love and ends with Nanoha and Fate looking at each other near a tree. This of course doesn't prove the song is about Nanoha and I'm merely just guessing here.

Chrono x Fate: This is a pairing I'm afraid I can't see happening. Chrono is engaged to Amy since MSLN, and Fate is his adopted sister. They might not be blood related, but I just can't see the two being involved that way. A brother/sister thing I can see, but not a boyfriend/girlfriend.

Hayate/Vita: I'd see this more as Vita has a crush on Hayate, although there is nothing to prove Hayate has a crush on Vita. It's not as noticeable in the anime, but I heard in the manga it's quite obvious Vita is in love/has a crush on Hayate. But judging from what we know of StrikerS, it doesn't seem like Hayate would have time for a relationship.

Subaru x Teana: I'll label this one as a very close friend kind of deal. There isn't anything to support them being romantically involved, but again I'll admit it's a possibility given how well the two seem to know each other. (Particularly Subaru seems to know a lot about Teana)

Caro x Eiro: It's been hinted at in StrikerS, but I won't say they'd be romantically involved in StrikerS itself. This is mainly just because I think they're too young, but this is anime, so I'd find this one pretty likely. And I guess it's cute, I'll admit that. But Caro is cute on her own isn't she? :3

Yuuno x Nanoha: I don't see this one either... I mean, sure they've been friends for a long time and the A's epilogue did have Chrono (I think it was him) asking how things were going between him and Nanoha, but he did deny that they were anything more then friends. Of course, he could just be shy and be denying it. But the main thing I'd find this coupling not highly likely is due to the fact that Nanoha seems very busy with her work and Yuuno is also pretty busy with his work in the Infinite Library.

But I'll also admit this: I don't like this pairing, so my opinion is highly biased.

Agh. I think I'll stop here... I've commented on the 'main' pairings in my mind, I'll probably throw in some more if I see the need to or to defend a pairing I like.

[Fuyu no Sora]

Well time to start tossing in my own opinions on the pairings of Nanoha...
I'll try and keep my post as unbiased as I can, but I'll openly admit this right now:

I'm heavily biased towards Nanoha x Fate. So while I'll try and give reasoning and such, just keep in mind I'm biased and may interpret things to way I'd like rather then the intended way.

So moving right along, I'll start with Nanoha x Fate...

Nanoha x Fate: At the very, very least it's obvious these two are immensely close friends. That's an indisputable fact I'd have to say, correct? Now romantically... There's nothing concrete of course, otherwise this'd be the only pairing of these two characters, ne?

The 'evidence' we have is their rather, highly unusually close relationship you could say. While we know Fate is a rather shy girl it seems, and blushes rather easily, Nanoha and Fate tend to blush a lot when speaking to one another in MSLN and A's. Plus, usually when the two are speaking alone the music in the background seems to take on a very soft, soothing, almost romantic like melody.

The best example of that musical change is in episode 3 of A's after the events in episode 1 and 2. I'll openly admit this, I half expected to see a kiss in that scene when I watched it today. I'll blame KnM for that, but that's besides the point.

Although I will admit I find it unlikely Nanoha and Fate are a couple in MSLN or A's, as they are 9 and then 11, an age I'd think is a little too young to actually understand what love is. Perhaps in A's it's a possibility, but I'm just speculating.

Now StrikerS gives us some more material to support a potential pairing of the two. Namely that the two share a room and bed. It's obviously not 100% proof, but it gives a lot of support to the pairing, not that this counts as evidence but a few fanfictions have used that fact to support a romantic relationship.

One last tidbit that comes to mind off the top of my head is the ending song to A's "Spiritual Garden". It's all about Nanoha's love and ends with Nanoha and Fate looking at each other near a tree. This of course doesn't prove the song is about Nanoha and I'm merely just guessing here.

Chrono x Fate: This is a pairing I'm afraid I can't see happening. Chrono is engaged to Amy since MSLN, and Fate is his adopted sister. They might not be blood related, but I just can't see the two being involved that way. A brother/sister thing I can see, but not a boyfriend/girlfriend.

Hayate/Vita: I'd see this more as Vita has a crush on Hayate, although there is nothing to prove Hayate has a crush on Vita. It's not as noticeable in the anime, but I heard in the manga it's quite obvious Vita is in love/has a crush on Hayate. But judging from what we know of StrikerS, it doesn't seem like Hayate would have time for a relationship.

Subaru x Teana: I'll label this one as a very close friend kind of deal. There isn't anything to support them being romantically involved, but again I'll admit it's a possibility given how well the two seem to know each other. (Particularly Subaru seems to know a lot about Teana)

Caro x Eiro: It's been hinted at in StrikerS, but I won't say they'd be romantically involved in StrikerS itself. This is mainly just because I think they're too young, but this is anime, so I'd find this one pretty likely. And I guess it's cute, I'll admit that. But Caro is cute on her own isn't she? :3

Yuuno x Nanoha: I don't see this one either... I mean, sure they've been friends for a long time and the A's epilogue did have Chrono (I think it was him) asking how things were going between him and Nanoha, but he did deny that they were anything more then friends. Of course, he could just be shy and be denying it. But the main thing I'd find this coupling not highly likely is due to the fact that Nanoha seems very busy with her work and Yuuno is also pretty busy with his work in the Infinite Library.

But I'll also admit this: I don't like this pairing, so my opinion is highly biased.

Agh. I think I'll stop here... I've commented on the 'main' pairings in my mind, I'll probably throw in some more if I see the need to or to defend a pairing I like.


I highly agree with the Nanoha x Fate pairing 'evidence' you've tossed here. It's quite accurate and some people would think they're a little too close friends.

Chrono x Fate: I never saw that one happening. It just didn't seem right. Especially now, since Chrono is married and has two kids. He seems to be happy in the very least and that gives Fate nephews to enjoy.

Hayate x Vita: Nah, don't think it will happen. Vita is an eternal kid and Hayate needs to have a male partner. I'd personally wouldn't mind Acous being the one.

Subaru x Teana: Maybe, but I don't think so. They're more fit to be really close friends that can confide in one another.

[CrazyPerson]

I'm going to have to stab another nail into Yunno's coffin as well.

In the Ep7 raw, the girls clearly didn't know he was going to be there. That means they the girls and Yunno obviously haven't communicated in anyway, not even just chatting. That lack of communication further suggests that they been separated for an extended period of time, probably due to work. Besides, that lack of any really important work (plot-wise) done by Yunno kind of automatically sidelines him for any pairing with a main character.

...The above is not any endorsement for the legion, I'm just saying Yunno's out of the picture. I still think Nanoha and Fate have the Sakura and Tomoyo thing, but Fate has a much less severe case of obsession while Nanoha is still clueless I think. The girls will forever stay unpaired up, because the show has never really focused on romance of any kind but more of friendship. So... final prediction from me is: Nanoha, Fate, and Hayate will never get paired up. C'mon, the show is about friendship, all the lovey-dovey relationship stuff went offscreen, like Amy and Chrono's marriage.

I think most of the other relationships you guys have listed are just wishful thinking, this isn't School Rumble, THIS. IS. NANOHA! Though, I am glad that you guys haven't totally gone overboard on the shipping stuff and so badly that you've added the Wolkenkritter or the support staff yet.

[krisslanza]

I commented on the Wolkenkriiter, mainly Vita. It's just I'd be a one-sided thing I believe...

Vita loves Hayate, but I highly doubt she'll ever tell her and even if she did I don't think it's likely Hayate would like her back. I mean, Vita will never age (although I did hear rumors she can use transformation magic to appear older?) so... I just don't find it likely.

You can't really pair Signum with anyone, sure there ARE fanfiction of SignumxFate but I only see the two as obvious rivals.

Shamal, has little interaction with anyone besides Hayate so again, I can't think of anyone she would ever become romantically involved with.

Ditto for Zafira.

Same goes for support staff, they don't get much interaction except a few. Like Arf loves Fate, but not in a love-love way. It's a master and familiar sort of thing, although again there is fanart/fiction to support it but that's just fan opinion and no real evidence exists in anything to think Arf would ever want to be romantically involved with her master.

I'll have to disagree that no one will ever pair up. While there may not be any on-screen action, even though MSLN and A's were centered around friendship keep in mind in there, the characters were rather young. Now the old main cast are all adults, I'd find it possible you may find romance in it or at least suggested romance (Such as in the case of Amy and Chrono, you never saw them do anything lovey-dovey together).

Hey what's shipping anyway? I'm not familiar with that term in the least bit.

[Fuyu no Sora]

I commented on the Wolkenkriiter, mainly Vita. It's just I'd be a one-sided thing I believe...

Vita loves Hayate, but I highly doubt she'll ever tell her and even if she did I don't think it's likely Hayate would like her back. I mean, Vita will never age (although I did hear rumors she can use transformation magic to appear older?) so... I just don't find it likely.

You can't really pair Signum with anyone, sure there ARE fanfiction of SignumxFate but I only see the two as obvious rivals.

Shamal, has little interaction with anyone besides Hayate so again, I can't think of anyone she would ever become romantically involved with.

Ditto for Zafira.

Same goes for support staff, they don't get much interaction except a few. Like Arf loves Fate, but not in a love-love way. It's a master and familiar sort of thing, although again there is fanart/fiction to support it but that's just fan opinion and no real evidence exists in anything to think Arf would ever want to be romantically involved with her master.

I'll have to disagree that no one will ever pair up. While there may not be any on-screen action, even though MSLN and A's were centered around friendship keep in mind in there, the characters were rather young. Now the old main cast are all adults, I'd find it possible you may find romance in it or at least suggested romance (Such as in the case of Amy and Chrono, you never saw them do anything lovey-dovey together).

Hey what's shipping anyway? I'm not familiar with that term in the least bit.

Quite true *Nods head in approve*. By 'Shipping' he meant the Ship wars that I, and some other people, helped lead some time ago. I called it 'Nanoha Taisen' and the reason behind it was '300' that were the Yuuno x Nanoha supporters, were waging 'war' against 'the Legion' the ones who, like myself, support Nanoha x Fate. We waged war for so long, that people got tired and annoyed and asked us to stop. Ultimately, it became so ridiculously large and 'unstoppable' that the Moderators stepped in. And so that's why this thread was created under the title of 'Serious Discussion Only'.

[Chaos2Frozen]

So... In the end, romance-wise, we'll all eventually come to the conclusion that unless the writers say so , "out-of-the-blues" seems to be their prefered pattern of attack, anything and everything is just wishful thinking.

But I'm sure that the writers, after several hours of intense discussion in a tiny locked up conference room with no ventilation, no toilet breaks and being fueled by nothing but crappy coffee, had decided that "FAMILY" turns the fans on more than ANY romance would ever! :D

Yes! Lets all talk about the pleasures of friendship and family! Can't you just feel the air buzzing with excitment?! I-I can hardly contain myself! What a ground-breaking ingenuous idea!

Huh? What's that? Oh no no, I'm NOT bitter about it at all :) ! In fact, I'm ABSOLUTELY THRILLED about that idea! But enough of that, lets talk about how the Aces and their companions are such great FRIENDS! :) :) :)



... Cause thats about the only thing that is cannon.

[Nightengale]

I may have my own preferences to this kind of things, but frankly, I'd nail everyone's coffins.

Nanoha and Fate...well, the dynamic is there, the fans are there, the possibility, itself is there as well. But the continuous reinforcement of their "friendship" especially on Nanoha's side of things (( for well...everyone )) many times kind of reflect that this show doesn't really dwell or lean to sides. As for "more than friends" stuff, I agree...if this wasn't anime. C'mon, we've seen worse, and they're still friends, and sadly for those, I don't think StrikerS will venture beyond that.

Likewise to Yuuno. Well, I suppose Yuuno and the rest's relationship, mainly Nanoha reflects the inner similarity of their workaholic attitudes, to extents where, both of them are clearly great buddies no less than Vita, or Fate, or whoever friends... it somehow at the same time, shows their distance. It's not something nailed and beat after death, but likewise I don't see it occuring. Like CrazyP said, friendship to extents that they look like siblings and almost like couples, that's what Nanoha is all about. It can be easily mistaken for something more, but the undertones showed they the fine line...is still there and not backing down.

Wolkenrietter....Naahhhhhh.

Other aspects really depend more on how they're done, but sadly...I foresee open-endedness. Maybe they'll finalize something, but I don't think we'll ever see it in the anime. Maybe like the whole C.E 74 Data File or Voice of Distant Star epilogue, but within contextual development...not too shabby.

C2F, exactly. Friendship = Safe Zone and THE Zone :P

[krisslanza]

But playing safely is boring. o:
Were supposed to be debating like lawyers right now! =p

While open-endedness is kinda nice, since it means no fans end up outraged and angered etc. etc., I'd want something concerte... Although then again, if there was and it wasn't NxF... It would end up probably killing a large portion of the fanbase. Hm. That is kind of a dilemma isn't it? *Scratches head*

I'll have to disagree that the show is solely about friendship. Shows only about friendship don't involve child abuse. >_>
But that's mainly wishful thinking... On the beyond friendship thing not child abuse. <_<;

Yay for posting when sleepy.

[Chaos2Frozen]

C2F, exactly. Friendship = Safe Zone and THE Zone :P

Oh you could just FEEL the doujin artists and fanfiction writers ALL OVER this!

They never had the experience the joy of creating works of FRIENDSHIP... We'll begin an age FREE of the boring and overused ROMANCE in our lives!

I mean why be a couple, when you can be FRIENDS?! :) Thats the IN thing these days right?! RIGHT?!?!

[Skyfall]

As much as i am a fan of romance, i am going to agree with Nightengale: While the potential is definitely there, i don't expect the directors to venture much further than the (very close)friendship area.

I would say there is enough material to make both Nanoha x Yuuno and Nanoha x Fate (even though my preference lies with the former) easy to pull off, and no one would be going "wtf, where did that came from" <- i think we can all agree to this.

However, i don't see that happening. They are, probably, going to tease us with hints here and there, but nothing conclusive in the end. (The very end of the series is the soonest i would expect any romance revelations on this front).

Erio and Caro seem like the most obvious one to me, and one that actually has a very high chance of happening (as far as their age allows it to, assuming their age is being taken in to consideration). They sure are not hesitant about dropping early hints about this one, and if we are going to see any "couples" at all in Nanoha, i think it is a safe bet to say that Caro x Erio is the most likely one.

Something like Teana x Subaru and others don't even seem significant enough (and too random in my books) to even mention :)

[Chaos2Frozen]

As much as i am a fan of romance, i am going to agree with Nightengale: While the potential is definitely there, i don't expect the directors to venture much further than the (very close)friendship area.

I would say there is enough material to make both Nanoha x Yuuno and Nanoha x Fate (even though my preference lies with the former) easy to pull off, and no one would be going "wtf, where did that came from" <- i think we can all agree to this.

However, i don't see that happening. They are, probably, going to tease us with hints here and there, but nothing conclusive in the end. (The very end of the series is the soonest i would expect any romance revelations on this front).


The nights that I've cried tears of blood over these FACTS have been long and cold, even for my standards...

So our best and brightest possible scenario to get a possible comfirmed romance relationship from Nanoha is by having the show to end...?

What a twisted deal.

(Yes it's me, my Hollow is gone for now...)



Erio and Caro seem like the most obvious one to me, and one that actually has a very high chance of happening (as far as their age allows it to, assuming their age is being taken in to consideration). They sure are not hesitant about dropping early hints about this one, and if we are going to see any "couples" at all in Nanoha, i think it is a safe bet to say that Caro x Erio is the most likely one.

Make me paranoid about it... Why is this one different?

Whats the catch? :eyebrow:


Something like Teana x Subaru and others don't even seem significant enough (and too random in my books) to even mention :)

Subaru and Teana... Works well together as a team :)

[Darco_emp]

Subaru and Teana pairings are not THAT random in my book.

They do have a very soild 3 years living together in the ground force academy for starters. And I assume they are living together in Mobile Div 6, or at least close to each other.

From ep 2 of StrikerS's interaction between Subaru and Teana. They does seems to be in a tsundere relationship between each other. While the writers did not hit you in the head with this, like Erio and Caro. there can be development towards this direction.

[Chaos2Frozen]

From ep 2 of StrikerS's interaction between Subaru and Teana. They does seems to be in a tsundere relationship between each other. While the writers did not hit you in the head with this, like Erio and Caro...

Technically, the chest...


... There can be development towards this direction.

... Which we'll most likely see next episode... Though I wouldn't might seeing someone else doing it...

[FlareKnight]

It could be seen as strange that they would show off Erio x Caro so visibly right from the start. That relationship must have some baring on the plot so much that they wanted to get things moving early.

Teana and Subaru could go somewhere, at least there's a friendship there. Next episode might show that off some more, but it seems possible enough.

[Deathkillz]

It could be seen as strange that they would show off Erio x Caro so visibly right from the start. That relationship must have some baring on the plot so much that they wanted to get things moving early.

considering that as fact i would think that it is a good possibility for erio to be killed off to allow some dramatic sense to the series (lets see if it can remove the "no one dies" fluff from the series :heh:)

[krisslanza]

You mean no one on the good side dies right? =p

I foresee something bad might happen to Erio... But that could just be the fact it seems males in the Nanoha series tend to become sidelined pretty quickly. Just look at Yuuno and Chrono.

But back on to the main topic of pairings.

I wouldn't mind to see some pairing perhaps late in the series, episodes 24-26 perhaps. Heck, maybe in an epilogue like A's?
Although I'd find it pretty awesome if say oh, Nanoha and Fate were dating in secret for a while now. *Cackle*

[Chaos2Frozen]

considering that as fact i would think that it is a good possibility for erio to be killed off to allow some dramatic sense to the series (lets see if it can remove the "no one dies" fluff from the series :heh:)

Give it up. They don't have the guts to kill off any of their precious main characters...

The drama would have to come from somewhere else, like for example...

Subaru - angst/vengeful over mother's death...

Teana - Ignoring what's going to happen next episode, angst/vengeful over brother's death...

Erio - I would say that he'll go emo over his past, but judging from episode 6, that's not an option, so I'll go with the age old "I c-couldn't protect her...!"

Carol - Obviously something about her being a dangerous existence...

But I can see that they'll play tough and kill off some of their characters... Genya would be the first to go... Zest and the Doctor would be next...

You mean no one on the good side dies right? =p

Axing Genya wouldn't cause too much of a disturbance...


But back on to the main topic of pairings.

I'll hold off most of my 'Yuuno' and 'Chrono' statements and wishes until I see how they interact with the rest of the cast... Chrono especially...


I wouldn't mind to see some pairing perhaps late in the series, episodes 24-26 perhaps. Heck, maybe in an epilogue like A's?
Although I'd find it pretty awesome if say oh, Nanoha and Fate were dating in secret for a while now. *Cackle*

Haha, just like how YUUNO and NANOHA were at the end of A's... :rolleyes:

[krisslanza]

Now, now. That's a lie! Yuuno never said they were dating, it seemed Chrono thought they were and Yuuno says they're "just friends".

While he may be lying I'll admit, there isn't any evidence in StrikerS to even consider it. I mean, if Nanoha was dating Yuuno, why doesn't she ever talk about him?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Now, now. That's a lie! Yuuno never said they were dating, it seemed Chrono thought they were and Yuuno says they're "just friends".

While he may be lying I'll admit, there isn't any evidence in StrikerS to even consider it. I mean, if Nanoha was dating Yuuno, why doesn't she ever talk about him?

Yes, I'm just saying the same could be said for whatever fantasies that's been running miles through your head...

... Just a friendly suggestion of course :D

[krisslanza]

I like how your words are written in a way to be non-offensive but secretly hide your malice and hatred... =p

I still find the fact no one even talks about Yuuno a good nail in his coffin that no one cares about him anymore. |D
He can't even pull off cute ferret anymore. Since now he'd just be a dirty, dirty peeping tom. =p

[dkellis]

Subaru and Teana pairings are not THAT random in my book.

They do have a very soild 3 years living together in the ground force academy for starters. And I assume they are living together in Mobile Div 6, or at least close to each other.

From ep 2 of StrikerS's interaction between Subaru and Teana. They does seems to be in a tsundere relationship between each other. While the writers did not hit you in the head with this, like Erio and Caro. there can be development towards this direction.

True enough. Still, I'd say that if their interests do not run That Way (Subaru's obsession with Being Like Nanoha notwithstanding), it's likely that they'll remain just friends.

Rather close friends, though. In my experience, friendship tends to come from two sources: extended periods of time associating with one another (like Subaru and Teana), or that one moment when both will exclaim "What, you too? I thought I was the only one!"

EDIT:
I still find the fact no one even talks about Yuuno a good nail in his coffin that no one cares about him anymore. |D
He can't even pull off cute ferret anymore. Since now he'd just be a dirty, dirty peeping tom. =p

Truth be told, I'm actually expecting a canon Yuuno/Nanoha romantic relationship, mostly because I'm used to rooting for Tomoyo/Sakura when canon is Syaoran/Sakura.

I'd have to agree that with episode 7, though, the chances of that happening are slim. I'm not sure whether we'll be seeing any resolution anyway, since I don't think romance is high on the list of priorities.

It's a weird feeling: I'd prefer Fate/Nanoha, but if it does happen in the canon, I'd actually feel disappointed that it's not Yuuno/Nanoha. It's like the best case scenario for me is for there to be Yuuno/Nanoha as canon, and I can write stories about how Fate had feelings for Nanoha but is willing to let her go.

(Putting aside non-romantic discussions, I've been very enthusiastic about seeing more Yuuno anyway. Because dammit, he's awesome.)

[Chaos2Frozen]

I like how your words are written in a way to be non-offensive but secretly hide your malice and hatred... =p

Thank you very much, I've been practicing :)

But what malice and hatred? You must have been mistaken...


I still find the fact no one even talks about Yuuno a good nail in his coffin that no one cares about him anymore. |D


No no, you can't say that...! If so Arf, Graham, Aria and Lotte, Lindy... :D

Amongs others of course...


He can't even pull off cute ferret anymore. Since now he'd just be a dirty, dirty peeping tom. =p

I intend to be amused :)

[krisslanza]

While Arf hasn't been mentioned, we know it's because she's too busy being with Lindy at the house. =p
I expect her to show up in a few more episodes perhaps.

And who cares about Graham, Aria, and Lotte now anyway? |D

I still hate Aria and Lotte. Their actions don't justify hurting Fate-chan! D< *Bites Lotte's head off*


I wanna see Yuuno try that and get blasted with Starlight Breaker. *cackles* Just like in the comics! Fan comics that is.

But yes, your sarcasm skills are high. *bows*

[dkellis]

No no, you can't say that...! If so Arf, Graham, Aria and Lotte, Lindy... :D

Amongs others of course...

I've been wondering whether I'm the only one who still remembers Arisa, Suzuka, Miyuki, Kyoya, Farin, Noel, and Shinobu. Basically, the (relative) mundanes.

What happened to that friendship between the trio of Arisa, Suzuka, and Nanoha? And where are Nanoha's siblings now?

[krisslanza]

Well I believe Arisa and Suzuka will be in StrikerS... Somehow. There was production sketches of them I believe...

But I don't know how they'll all end up going to Earth unless like... A Relic is there or something...

But we're getting off the topic of relationships people! D:

[Chaos2Frozen]

I've been wondering whether I'm the only one who still remembers Arisa, Suzuka, Miyuki, Kyoya, Farin, Noel, and Shinobu. Basically, the (relative) mundanes.


Ah! I knew I've forgotten someone... :heh:

While Arf hasn't been mentioned, we know it's because she's too busy being with Lindy at the house. =p
I expect her to show up in a few more episodes perhaps.

Suurrreee... Like near the end? :)

Also, the same could be said... Yuuno hasn't been mentioned, but we know what he's been doing...


And who cares about Graham, Aria, and Lotte now anyway? |D

I still hate Aria and Lotte. Their actions don't justify hurting Fate-chan! D< *Bites Lotte's head off*



Nightengale and... Sorry, can't remember the other guy who voted for him... does! And the Lieze twins are a diamond mine of comedy materials to me :)

(When combo with Chrono of course...)

And you're too overprotective :p


I wanna see Yuuno try that and get blasted with Starlight Breaker. *cackles* Just like in the comics! Fan comics that is.

You mean like how Fate was literally blasted before? :)


But yes, your sarcasm skills are high. *bows*

I try.

EDIT:



But I don't know how they'll all end up going to Earth unless like... A Relic is there or something...



They'll be going to Earth in the next Sound Stage... But I think that's about it...

[dkellis]

Well I believe Arisa and Suzuka will be in StrikerS... Somehow. There was production sketches of them I believe...

But I don't know how they'll all end up going to Earth unless like... A Relic is there or something...

But we're getting off the topic of relationships people! D:

I don't think it's off-topic, considering it's about the MSLN series in general (and thus not merely StrikerS), and it's also about relationships in general: platonic friendship and familial have been stated to count.

A huge deal was made in the first season about the friendship between the trio of Arisa, Suzuka, and Nanoha, with an entire episode dedicated to it. Arisa and Suzuka also played a significant role in A's, with Hayate first meeting Suzuka, and then the duo getting caught in the middle of the Final Battle against the Book of Darkness.

As I said, it'll be a pity if all that were tossed away because People Grow Up.

(If only romantic relationships are to be discussed here On Order Of The Mods and/or OP, my participation in this thread will be severely reduced, because honestly, I really don't care that much for romantic pairings, but I can talk all day long about friendships.)

[Meophist]

I still find the fact no one even talks about Yuuno a good nail in his coffin that no one cares about him anymore. |DThey talk about him in Sound Stage M…

[krisslanza]

I don't have access to the sound stages, so I wouldn't know. I can only use MSLN, A's, and StrikerS for my evidence and such.

[Deathkillz]

But I can see that they'll play tough and kill off some of their characters... Genya would be the first to go...

and what scares me is the fact that i can see that happening...though i still want erio to die T_T

ontopic it doesnt seem that the series are going to focus on any relationship between a male and female character (besides hayate and acous ~ but he might just end up using her as well) ~

the series is more strongly hinted with yuri aspects...*in comes fate chan with the whip* :uhoh:

[Chaos2Frozen]

and what scares me is the fact that i can see that happening...though i still want erio to die T_T

Erio's fine... :p


ontopic it doesnt seem that the series are going to focus on any relationship between a male and female character (besides hayate and acous ~ but he might just end up using her as well) ~

the series is more strongly hinted with yuri aspects...*in comes fate chan with the whip* :uhoh:

It is more strongly hinted with yuri FANSERVICE...

And it doesn't help when 90% + of the cast are coincidentally women... That's why Erio is a blood diamond in all this.

[krisslanza]

MSLN is classified, in Wikipedia anyway, as a having "Yuri/Shojo-ai plots" that aren't central to the storyline.

But yes I agree, it doesn't help 90% of the cast is female. There aren't enough men in it to think you'd see very much male x female pairings.

[FlareKnight]

Let's avoid the killing of Erio, I like the guy. Certainly with Chrono's still awaited appearance, Yuuno's limited showing so far, Erio's pretty much the guy . Still have a feeling Erio will be captured or something unleashing Caro's love and like Nanoha's friendship it will cause massive destruction.

True enough, when you've got a cast that's overly one gender your going to see more pairings go that way. Where close friendships end and the romantic relationship starts really is what's open to debate. For this series being close friends opens the door to speculation.

[krisslanza]

And with that translated time chart in the image thread, we know Nanoha and Fate spend 3 hours before bed together... *coughs*

Moving right along.

I have a feeling Erio will be the "main guy" of StrikerS, with Chrono and Yuuno taking the sidelines. I think Chrono deserves more screentime, he's a cool character and all.

But now I need something on-topic here...

So assuming that timechart is the real deal... It leads more material to Nanoha x Fate. I mean, they have the same time for showering.

[Andy00]

A recent magazine pic has everyone's 24 hour schedule.

Both Fate's and Nanoha's have 11pm to 1am dedicated to "time with each other and planning."

Planning, huh?

http://kei.iichan.net/2/src/1179190090936.jpg (Somebody please get a more permanent version of this pic, please)

[Chaos2Frozen]

And with that translated time chart in the image thread, we know Nanoha and Fate spend 3 hours before bed together... *coughs*


BEFORE bed :P


I have a feeling Erio will be the "main guy" of StrikerS, with Chrono and Yuuno taking the sidelines. I think Chrono deserves more screentime, he's a cool character and all.


They BOTH deserve more...

(Don't make me break out Skane's "Why Yuuno is a good" speech again :p !)


But now I need something on-topic here...

So assuming that timechart is the real deal... It leads more material to Nanoha x Fate. I mean, they have the same time for showering.

I'll avoid saying 'coincidence' since it's not a good form of offence to break people's illusions :p ...

... But because they'll in the military, it could just be the time table... After all, Subaru/Teana/Carol all have the same bath time...

Of course, the simplest explaination is that the writers just want to keep a major portion of the fans happy and deluded :)

[Meophist]

I don't have access to the sound stages, so I wouldn't know. I can only use MSLN, A's, and StrikerS for my evidence and such.Fate and Hayate has an aside about how Nanoha and Yuuno still haven't gotten together.

[BPHaru]

BEFORE bed :P
Is not before bed, it's before SLEEP. So they can be for 3 hours in the bed without sleep.
But if you don't like the bed, they still can do it in the settee, in the bathroom, in the kitchen, or whenever you like :D

-Haru

[Chaos2Frozen]

Is not before bed, it's before SLEEP. So they can be for 3 hours in the bed without sleep.
But if you don't like the bed, they still can do it in the settee, in the bathroom, in the kitchen, or whenever you like :D

-Haru

Hmmm, my final answer is...

'D'

They do it in your dreams.

... Just a friendly opinion of course :)

[Nightengale]

Now, now, now...Careful, guys...and girls.

Anyway, it's nice and all to be pumped up with the recent revelations of their time-schedule, but really... That's what I call, that's what we call subtle fanservice. At the same time, it really shows the kind of workaholics both of them are, especially Nanoha. Even more so, if you think about it...we'll most likely never really get to see what happens in those "vague coincidental" hours. It's to protect the illusion, that "something happened" and "something did not."

And those with experience teaching knows damn well that 3 hours is around "just enough" to review the day's work, compile them, and plan for the next day's. If we assume 1 hour is cut from those thanks to RH's l33t computing skills, then they reall only had one hour a day to catch up on their daily events.

[BPHaru]

Hmmm, my final answer is...

'D'

They do it in your dreams.

... Just a friendly opinion of course :)

They sure do it in my dreams http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q314/BPHaru/emoticons/LS-emoticon-Good-Job.jpg
But they may be doing it in no-screen time, they have the Giant-Yuri-Bed after all :D

-Haru

[Meophist]

There is no romantic relationship between Nanoha and Fate. This, I'm sure about.

[Kha]

I don't want to make it personal Haru, but please remember this is for SERIOUS discussion and not mud-slinging with fan doujin or what you can pull out of that hat.

*you know, I've a feeling my words are going to be misused again, but there is no honor in calling in a MOD for this...*

:rolleyes:

[krisslanza]

While that's not evidence, I have to point out Meophist didn't give any evidence to support his claim.

Just stating "Because I think so." isn't the meaning of this thread I believe. You're supposed to give reasoning and evidence behind your belief.

[Meophist]

While that's not evidence, I have to point out Meophist didn't give any evidence to support his claim.

Just stating "Because I think so." isn't the meaning of this thread I believe. You're supposed to give reasoning and evidence behind your belief.
Of which I did.Fate and Hayate has an aside about how Nanoha and Yuuno still haven't gotten together.Why would Fate be encouraging a relationship between Nanoha and Yuuno if…

[BPHaru]

Of which I did.Why would Fate be encouraging a relationship between Nanoha and Yuuno if…
Are there any translation? I have listened to the sound stages, but my japanese isn’t very good and I didn't get that part.
Anyways all the sound stages have hints about Fate being in love with Nanoha.

-Haru

[krisslanza]

Remind me how wondering why two people haven't hooked up automatically means they should?

Just because Fate wonders doesn't mean she wouldn't like Nanoha. As a poor example, look at Kannazuki no Miko. Chikane loved Himeko but she still helped set her up with Souma.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Are there any translation? I have listened to the sound stages, but my japanese isn’t very good and I didn't get that part.
Anyways all the sound stages have hints about Fate being in love with Nanoha.

-Haru

That was before...

(You know, when they were all YOUNG CHILDREN...)

... This is 10 years later.

Remind me how wondering why two people haven't hooked up automatically means they should?

Just because Fate wonders doesn't mean she wouldn't like Nanoha. As a poor example, look at Kannazuki no Miko. Chikane loved Himeko but she still helped set her up with Souma.


I'm all about to give up on Nanoha (The character) in terms of romance...

It's going to take a "Ragnarok Breaker" class spell to get through to the romance part of her brain, which seems to be protected by a skull with the thickness of a TSAB warship hulk...

... Suddenly I'm welcoming the thought of Nanoha getting BADLY injury...

In which she'll needs a HEALER...

[BPHaru]

That was before...

(You know, when they were all YOUNG CHILDREN...)

... This is 10 years later.
I was talking about the last one too.

Remind me how wondering why two people haven't hooked up automatically means they should?

Just because Fate wonders doesn't mean she wouldn't like Nanoha. As a poor example, look at Kannazuki no Miko. Chikane loved Himeko but she still helped set her up with Souma.
Yes, or you may consider as a better example the ultimate lesbian from CCS, Tomoyo.

... Suddenly I'm welcoming the thought of Nanoha getting BADLY injury...

In which she'll needs a HEALER...
Well, she has Caro and Shamal in the team.
Nanoha getting injured… Suddenly I remembered this (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3521041/1/) fic :D

-Haru

[Nightengale]

Even if Fate leans the other way, towards Nanoha, Meophist pointed out that they're not in a romantic relationship. Which they aren't.

Because Fate wouldn't even need to wonder anything if she and Nanoha both had already mutually reached home run.

At it is, we can all say whatever we want, but Nanoha and Fate...Nanoha and Yuuno..., in the current light of events, regardless how many hours Nanoha and Fate spend together a day, or how detached Yuuno's own workaholic tendencies are from Nanoha's all-work and almost no time to play attitude, are all great buddies, and very good friends.

Until proven extremely wrong...but that hasn't happened. Not until it goes Gravitation or Strawberry Panic wrong.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Even if Fate leans the other way, towards Nanoha, Meophist pointed out that they're not in a romantic relationship. Which they aren't.

Because Fate wouldn't even need to wonder anything if she and Nanoha both had already mutually reached home run.

At it is, we can all say whatever we want, but Nanoha and Fate...Nanoha and Yuuno, in the current light of events, regardless how many hours Nanoha and Fate spend together a day, or how detached Yuuno's own workaholic tendencies are from Nanoha's all-work and almost no time to play attitude, are all great buddies, and very good friends.

We should start moving on to the other possible pairings on the list... Before we all get sucked into our alternate realities...

... If we haven't already.

[Meophist]

Are there any translation? I have listened to the sound stages, but my japanese isn’t very good and I didn't get that part.
Anyways all the sound stages have hints about Fate being in love with Nanoha.

-HaruI'm guessing you don't want to just see my own translation due to possible perceived bias issues, but there's one post from the Music thread:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=882067&postcount=94

Hayate: Okay, next question:
Hayate: As for Nanoha and Fate who's been friendly 10 years ago, are you still friendly? Are you "raburabu"?
Fate: Ah, putting "raburabu" aside, we're still friendly like before.
Nanoha: Yup! Friendly! Friends!…Bah, I tried translating the scene I was talking about but it's hard to hear Fate and Hayate's aside while Nanoha is talking in the background.

[krisslanza]

I don't know about you, but if Midchilda may have the same views as Earth so you know, if I were Nanoha or Fate if they were together I wouldn't come and say it...

You know?

And heck, knowing the developers they probably won't reveal anything until near the end... In fear of losing viewers perhaps. I'll openly admit: One reason I wanted to see StrikerS was to see NxF.

[BPHaru]

Hayate: Okay, next question:
Hayate: As for Nanoha and Fate who's been friendly 10 years ago, are you still friendly? Are you "raburabu"?
Fate: Ah, putting "raburabu" aside, we're still friendly like before.
Nanoha: Yup! Friendly! Friends!…Bah, I tried translating the scene I was talking about but it's hard to hear Fate and Hayate's aside while Nanoha is talking in the background.
I was not talking about that scene, there are another ahead where Fate acts weird when Nanoha and Hayate were talkink, she mumbles something to herself about friendship...I don't remember very well, I dont have the sound stage here, I’ll be re-downloading it.


And heck, knowing the developers they probably won't reveal anything until near the end... In fear of losing viewers perhaps. I'll openly admit: One reason I wanted to see StrikerS was to see NxF.
I think there are 2 posible reason to watch this average show:
-To see girls trowing Dragon Ball-alike energy rays.
-To see NxF.


-Haru

[krisslanza]

Don't forget the fact when they henshin, you wouldn't feel like a pedophile anymore.
Well except for when Caro does it.

But that's besides the point. It's common place knowledge, I believe, that NxF is the most popular fan pairing of the series.

[Fuyu no Sora]

I don't know about you, but if Midchilda may have the same views as Earth so you know, if I were Nanoha or Fate if they were together I wouldn't come and say it...

You know?

And heck, knowing the developers they probably won't reveal anything until near the end... In fear of losing viewers perhaps. I'll openly admit: One reason I wanted to see StrikerS was to see NxF.

I agree. The producers would probably lose less than half the audience, but it would be nice if they gave us a bit on romance. However we have to acknowledge that this show, sadly, focuses more on friendship.

Don't forget the fact when they henshin, you wouldn't feel like a pedophile anymore.
Well except for when Caro does it.

But that's besides the point. It's common place knowledge, I believe, that NxF is the most popular fan pairing of the series.

Dunno about the pedophile thing, but I do know that I like Nanoha x Fate. I'm not watching it only for that though. I found the show interesting and so I'm gonna follow until it ends. Even though it would disappoint me a bit if there was no romance here, I'll still watch.

[BPHaru]

Don't forget the fact when they henshin, you wouldn't feel like a pedophile anymore.
Well except for when Caro does it.
Sorry, I forget that. So there is another minority group who looks this series for the fanservice too. I think this is a minority group because if you want to watch an anime for the fanservice, there are a lot of ‘better’ options.

But that's besides the point. It's common place knowledge, I believe, that NxF is the most popular fan pairing of the series.
Just need to look at the doujins, the rate of NxF per each NxAnother is about 5:1.
If someone knows what the public want, they are the people who draw those.

-Haru

[FlareKnight]

Maybe they just don't want to alienate a portion of the fanbase even if it is a minority. Keeping Nanoha relatively open lets them pull in the maximum amount of people. Though really if they wanted to keep it open why they have kept Yuuno pretty much out of the series is beyond me.

Doujins have it easier, people aren't suddenly going to say "I'm not buying these, there is no Yuuno." It's an easier business in that regard, give the people what they want.

[Chaos2Frozen]

I don't know about you, but if Midchilda may have the same views as Earth so you know, if I were Nanoha or Fate if they were together I wouldn't come and say it...

You know?

And heck, knowing the developers they probably won't reveal anything until near the end... In fear of losing viewers perhaps. I'll openly admit: One reason I wanted to see StrikerS was to see NxF.

I'm reminded of the 'conversion' I had with someone (I can't remember if it's Loner or Woden...) a long time ago when that person questioned the reliablility of the OFFICIAL information of the Character's mage ranking.

It's really call delusional when you don't believe official information.

There's no information, they're not admitting it, but you're PRETTY SURE that the writers are just keeping a tight lip on it.

And that this WOULD ONLY apply for the pairing that you favor, cause even though Yuuno had the same treatment, he isn't allowed to have that possiblity.

EDIT:

With that being said, did Chrono and Amy really have twins? Oh did they lie to everyone and just adopt?

Cause you know, they probably wouldn't want to reveal too much...

[Kha]

*slams both fists on the table*

I see! The mystery is solved!

*slaps a backhand onto a piece of paper*

Notice how most of what we know of the Nanohaverse characters comes from the supporting media, like sound stages, novels and manga. As such we have come to trust them more than the anime, which is in contact with far more people, for information. As such, while the anime has given us inneudos, the supporting media have given us contradictions separated by a long distance of canon-time, and thus polarizing all debate for both sides have their moments of truth.

*folds arms up*

And what's happening is really human psychology. The mind looks for a pattern to make sense of what's going on, even when there's none. I am not saying I am totally neutral, but I can state this firmly...

*points dramatically*

All this is just hype! The truth is not out there! The only winner is Seven Arcs who are riding on all this!

*sits down*

That is all for now.

PS: I wonder what were the Hallaoun twins named? I only recall a mention that is a boy and a girl. Has there been an official statement on this? But if they are really adopted, and they are not related by blood, it would be the advent of the worst possible form of that moe...

*shudder*

[Chaos2Frozen]

*slams both fists on the table*

I see! The mystery is solved!

*slaps a backhand onto a piece of paper*

Notice how most of what we know of the Nanohaverse characters comes from the supporting media, like sound stages, novels and manga. As such we have come to trust them more than the anime, which is in contact with far more people, for information. As such, while the anime has given us inneudos, the supporting media have given us contradictions separated by a long distance of canon-time, and thus polarizing all debate for both sides have their moments of truth.

*folds arms up*

And what's happening is really human psychology. The mind looks for a pattern to make sense of what's going on, even when there's none. I am not saying I am totally neutral, but I can state this firmly...

*points dramatically*

All this is just hype! The truth is not out there! The only winner is Seven Arcs who are riding on all this!

*sits down*

That is all for now.



So... Once again you baffle me with your long explainations, but since I have a high interest in the contents, I shall brave the dangers and attempt to comprehend it...

*5 minutes later after reading through 3 times...*


How I so wish to believe it... So your point is that the Anime and the other media are telling different versions of the same tale? That they are,

Messing with our heads?
Screwing with our minds?
Yanking our chains?
Pushing our buttons?
Rattling our cages?

Well, that does give hope, but along with it all the other evil and chaos from the box :)



PS: I wonder what were the Hallaoun twins named? I only recall a mention that is a boy and a girl. Has there been an official statement on this? But if they are really adopted, and they are not related by blood, it would be the advent of the worst possible form of that moe...

*shudder*

Apparently, their names are japanese (suspicious... suspicious... :eyebrow: )

The girl is Ai, and the boy... (Now, I'm being serious here, so don't laugh...)

...Is Makoto... (NO LAUGHING! :heh: )

But if anything, they should be more worried of Arf... After all, who knows how she's taking it since Fate started work... :uhoh:

[dkellis]

I don't know about you, but if Midchilda may have the same views as Earth so you know, if I were Nanoha or Fate if they were together I wouldn't come and say it...

You know?

That's a pretty big If. It's a whole other world, quite literally.

Even on the Nanoha-verse Earth, it's not a given that homosexual relationships are seen the same way as in the Real World. I present, once again, Card Captor Sakura, which has all sorts of different pairings which would at least raise a few eyebrows if they existed in the Real World, but in the CCS-verse, it's taken as normal, possibly as a message that Love Is Blind.

(Doesn't matter if it's just CLAMP's habit of having weird relationships; in that universe, regardless of authorial intentions, those relationships are seen in that particular way. Apply to the Nanoha-verse.)

Maybe they just don't want to alienate a portion of the fanbase even if it is a minority. Keeping Nanoha relatively open lets them pull in the maximum amount of people. Though really if they wanted to keep it open why they have kept Yuuno pretty much out of the series is beyond me.

I'm guessing that, as mentioned, they're going to focus more on the action than the romance (or rather, all the romance). This is not a Bad Thing or a Good Thing, it is just What It Is. So it goes and all that. (A bit like how Shakespeare's Macbeth focused on drama rather than actual deep political intrigue; there is some there, but it's nowhere near the main focus.)

This, of course, may also have the added benefit of "not alienating" shippers. However, as I keep saying, it's not as though having canon confirmation either way will end the shipping wars.

... sometimes I wonder if I'm being ignored or something.

Notice how most of what we know of the Nanohaverse characters comes from the supporting media, like sound stages, novels and manga. As such we have come to trust them more than the anime, which is in contact with far more people, for information. As such, while the anime has given us inneudos, the supporting media have given us contradictions separated by a long distance of canon-time, and thus polarizing all debate for both sides have their moments of truth.

It's a side-effect of what I see in a lot of shounen anime. For example, very often, the main character does a Cool Move, and then all action stops for several minutes as the details behind the Cool Move is explained, perhaps with editorial comments on how it is Impossible or High-Level or whatever. It breaks the momentum of the scene horribly, and is generally poorly-done.

MSLN just leaves most of it out of the anime, and the mechanics of how everything is done remains unexplained. But then we have people like myself who keep going "wait, so how does it work?", and so the information is released in extra supplements, a bit like the Star Wars Encyclopaedia or something. With all that, I can see this being expanded for stuff like, well, relationships: the producers would rather not break the action to show a romantic interlude in the middle of a pitched battle, so they leave it out entirely. It's also entirely possible that they truly do not know why fans place such an emphasis on pairings, despite every single fandom ever having at least a portion of its fanbase defined by pairings. But I digress.

So, now we have all the extras and supplementary materials. But, as various other franchise universes have shown (Marvel and DC, anyone?), keeping track of all of them appears to be beyond the skills of the story writers. (Seriously; I think several comics writers have said that there is no way even an author can surpass the nitpicking capabilities of the detail-obsessed fan, even when the author pays attention. If the writers are working at least partly on autopilot, continuity can fall apart after two chapters.)

I know there are several Warcraft fans in here, so I'll just present the examples of Medivh as he is presented in WC1 (a random "evil warlock"), and Medivh in WC3 (the Last Guardian). And then there's the rather illogical retcon of the Eredar and Draenei, from WC3 to the WoW expansion.

And, as you mentioned, there's the probability that we're all reading far too much into it, based on faulty information (more precisely, the lack of all the information).

[Keroko]

I know there are several Warcraft fans in here, so I'll just present the examples of Medivh as he is presented in WC1 (a random "evil warlock"), and Medivh in WC3 (the Last Guardian). And then there's the rather illogical retcon of the Eredar and Draenei, from WC3 to the WoW expansion.

And, as you mentioned, there's the probability that we're all reading far too much into it, based on faulty information (more precisely, the lack of all the information).

Ugh... don't remind me of the 'Draenei Lore War' (trust me, 300 and the Legion combined had nothing on that horrifying battle).

[dkellis]

Ugh... don't remind me of the 'Draenei Lore War' (trust me, 300 and the Legion combined had nothing on that horrifying battle).

I am normally a fairly mellow guy, who espouses the stereotypical hippie view of "can't we all just get along?" I honestly don't care who Nanoha ends up with, be it Fate, Yuuno, or Arf.

But come a battle about the importance of continuity, and I will call for a crusade. We will call ruin upon their houses, raze their cities, plunder their ships, pillage their livestock, salt their lands, and be generally rather unpleasant, until the continuity error is acknowledged and fixed. If the latter is not possible, then I will at least keep harping on it at every opportunity.

In any case, though, I haven't really seen a lot of continuity problems in the Nanoha-verse that cannot be No-Prized away with sufficient plot contortions. It doesn't make me happy that these contortions are needed, but it's marginally better than a direct contradiction.

Then again, I haven't looked very hard.

In any case, I've noticed that romantic discussions in the MSLN materials tend to be short conversations, mostly leaving the matter vague and undecided. We don't even know the circumstances behind Chrono marrying Amy.

And the furor of the shipping wars, as usual, revolves around Nanoha, being that she's technically the main character. Apart from any relationship possibility with Nanoha as part of it, we have the strongly hinted Caro/Elio, the stated but not shown Chrono/Amy, and the mostly offscreen Kyoya/Shinobu. Other than that, well, I don't remember anything. (This doesn't count stuff like Chrono's or Nanoha's parents.)

I'd personally be interested in seeing some example of Yuuno or Fate being interested in someone other than Nanoha.

[Andy00]

What Meophist links to isn't proof of anything, though.

Fate is being the typical Tomoyo from Card Captor Sakura. "The only way I can love my beloved is to make sure she's happy with someone else." All this shows is that at the time of the Sound Stage, they weren't.

One thing this show indicates time and again, though, is that Nanoha just doesn't think like other people. She doesn't think like other magical girls.

I can easily see her coming to the understanding that Fate's interested in her...then, when enough time has passed that it would be healthy to pursue a relationship; ask Fate to be together that way.

See, the Japanese have what they call "Type S" relationships. These are friendships between young girls that superficially resemble romantic ones. The theory behind them is that they are "safer" and give girls confidence to go on to relatonships with boys. (Don't ask me, that's just how they think.)

Nanoha is smart. She _knows_ this. She doesn't a relationship that would get "outdated" with high-school graduation; especially not with her most special person in the world. So...she waits until they're grown-up; and THEN pursues it.

Remember what the StrikerS ED says. "I won't forget you when I'm a women, my love." And...she doesn't. Fate can be all Tomoyo-esque self sacrificing as she wants, but Nanoha screws the rules, she has money.

[Chaos2Frozen]

What Meophist links to isn't proof of anything, though.

Fate is being the typical Tomoyo from Card Captor Sakura. "The only way I can love my beloved is to make sure she's happy with someone else." All this shows is that at the time of the Sound Stage, they weren't.

One thing this show indicates time and again, though, is that Nanoha just doesn't think like other people. She doesn't think like other magical girls.

I can easily see her coming to the understanding that Fate's interested in her...then, when enough time has passed that it would be healthy to pursue a relationship; ask Fate to be together that way.

See, the Japanese have what they call "Type S" relationships. These are friendships between young girls that superficially resemble romantic ones. The theory behind them is that they are "safer" and give girls confidence to go on to relatonships with boys. (Don't ask me, that's just how they think.)

Nanoha is smart. She _knows_ this. She doesn't a relationship that would get "outdated" with high-school graduation; especially not with her most special person in the world. So...she waits until they're grown-up; and THEN pursues it.

Remember what the StrikerS ED says. "I won't forget you when I'm a women, my love." And...she doesn't. Fate can be all Tomoyo-esque self sacrificing as she wants, but Nanoha screws the rules, she has money.

*Falls face flat on the table and groan...*

Please point out one solid, undeniable evidence that'll support your claim that Nanoha is indeed 'waiting' for the right moment that you can find from the Anime or any other official sources than your wishfully thinking and pure biasiness?

Also, I'm amused that you only Identify this Possibility with Fate and not Yuuno when they both shared the same situation and treatment with/by Nanoha.

But hey, at least you'll be meeting the others that thinks like that... I believe you can find them growing all sorts of weeds and funguses in the "Image Thread"

[Tenkaichi]

Just thought I'd throw in my two cents.

Since all the romance that's occurred so far hasn't been in the focus of the show, I agree with the speculation that if we get anything close to a canon pairing, it's either going to be at the very end of StrikerS or in the manga.

Also, not that *main* characters can't hook up with not-so-focused-on-past main characters, but unless the producers stick Yuuno in a more prominent position, it feels less and less likely that NxY pair up. In this series so far, the parings have been rather even in terms of what type of cast they are -

Chrono and Amy - work together, more like supporting characters.
Erio and Caro, Subaru and Tiana - fit in the newbies catagory. They have the most interaction with their respective partner (or at least spring out the most emotions anime-wise for now)
Nanoha and Fate - almost the default pairing due to very close friendship.

Hayate and her knights - wouldn't say it's romantic per se, but for the sake of discussion, they're all typically grouped together.

Now if we were to use this silly train of thought, Yuuno would be paired with Arf in terms of casting, and YES, I know he's not a familiar. But like I said - casting-wise that would make Arf about the equivalent. Only evidence for throwing those two together post A's would be in the StrikerS 01 manga where we first see Arf in a chibi form helping Yuuno out in the library. Otherwise, the two have been grouped together for their support abilities.

[Chaos2Frozen]

@Tenkaichi

Actually, considering the writers' history to announce things like this all of a sudden, I don't think that screentime is any important factor at all.

[Fuyu no Sora]

@Tenkaichi

Actually, considering the writers' history to announce things like this all of a sudden, I don't think that screentime is any important factor at all.

If we really consider that, then maybe he will just pair up Nanoha with a new and unknown character that came outta nowhere.

[BPHaru]

@Tenkaichi

Actually, considering the writers' history to announce things like this all of a sudden, I don't think that screentime is any important factor at all.

It's not about screentime, it's all about popularity, in this series and in every other. All we know what characters are loved by all, as well as we know what character is hated.
Furthermore, more popularity implies more screentime, so you can consider those factors as equivalents in an anime like this, not based on a pre-written plot (like a novel or a manga).

If we really consider that, then maybe he will just pair up Nanoha with a new and unknown character that came outta nowhere.
Yes, and that would be a suicide xD


-Haru

[Chaos2Frozen]

If we really consider that, then maybe he will just pair up Nanoha with a new and unknown character that came outta nowhere.

That's exactly what I've meant...

Hey, why are you only using him as an example?

It's not about screentime, it's all about popularity, in this series and in every other. All we know what characters are loved by all, as well as we know what character is hated.
Furthermore, more popularity implies more screentime, so you can consider those factors as equivalents in an anime like this, not based on a pre-written plot (like a novel or a manga).


If it's about popularity, you locusts/floods/zergs would have had things done your way a long time ago...

Also, popularity doesn't control the plot... If it does, we're going to have a serious problem later... Mai Otome style

[Nagumo]

I honestly don't give a damn about relationhips. MSN to me is about explosions, AWESOME, hissatsu waza (secret moves) and shouting friendship, justice and ZENRYOKU ZENKAI (FULL POWER).

All the relationship talk was actually driving me crazy as I shifted through some of the board posts to constantly listen to rants about the Legion and 300... To the point I put off translating tracks because I felt that it might end up putting more fuel into the fire.

Now that I've learned the mods are shutting people up about it I'm going back to translating the tracks.

The only bare preference I have for relationships is Hayate/Signum which really comes out from left field.

I mean, at least it seems like Viita has a one sided thing for Hayate.

[krisslanza]

Whose locusts/zergs now? <_<

Just because I'm a rabid fangirl for anything shojo-ai doesn't meant I'd blanatly pair up two people that has no canonical reason to be together. I'm not a crack pairing kind of person...

But that's besides the point.

Really, until Yuuno actually appears in StrikerS there isn't any evidence to believe he's done anything with Nanoha, so I think we should venture away from any pairings involving Nanoha since really, there is only evidence to support a NxF right now. Maybe some more episodes and we can debate over if Nanoha will ever get in a relationship or just be single forever.

I will concede, if I haven't already, that Erio x Caro seems like a done deal. Really, you can't take Nanoha's kindness as anything more then that and Fate is her adopted mother. And since those three (Erio, Fate, and Nanoha) are the only characters that have really interacted with Caro, she's pretty much stuck with him.

Plus they have the whole same age deal going on and stuff. Seems set in stone to me.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Whose locusts/zergs now? <_<

Just because I'm a rabid fangirl for anything shojo-ai doesn't meant I'd blanatly pair up two people that has no canonical reason to be together. I'm not a crack pairing kind of person...



*Smiling with a thumbs-up :) *


Really, until Yuuno actually appears in StrikerS there isn't any evidence to believe he's done anything with Nanoha, so I think we should venture away from any pairings involving Nanoha since really, there is only evidence to support a NxF right now. Maybe some more episodes and we can debate over if Nanoha will ever get in a relationship or just be single forever.


I'm not disagreeing that we should avoid discussing about Nanoha (the character) pairings, but I want to point out that ANYTHING before StrikerS doesn't have evidence to support she's in a relationship.

My problem now is not that there's no NxY scenes, my problem is that people are intentionally undermining Yuuno and have turned a blind eye towards his efforts in favor of Fate.

Not that I have anything against Fate, but I feel that it's -for a lack of better term at the moment- bulls***.


I will concede, if I haven't already, that Erio x Caro seems like a done deal. Really, you can't take Nanoha's kindness as anything more then that and Fate is her adopted mother. And since those three (Erio, Fate, and Nanoha) are the only characters that have really interacted with Caro, she's pretty much stuck with him.

Plus they have the whole same age deal going on and stuff. Seems set in stone to me.

Again, no complains... But you kinda left out that Teana and Subaru were like older sisters to her, juding from episode 3 and 4. :heh:

[Fuyu no Sora]

That's exactly what I've meant...

Hey, why are you only using him as an example?

If it's about popularity, you locusts/floods/zergs would have had things done your way a long time ago...

Also, popularity doesn't control the plot... If it does, we're going to have a serious problem later... Mai Otome style

Ummmm................ Him who? :heh: :heh:

[Skyfall]

I honestly don't give a damn about relationhips. MSN to me is about explosions, AWESOME, hissatsu waza (secret moves) and shouting friendship, justice and ZENRYOKU ZENKAI (FULL POWER).


Then why are you posting here? This is a thread for serious discussion (as the title, surprisingly, hints) about the relationships, not a place for even more complaining. It was a tough call whether to delete your post or not, because i don't see anything in it that would contribute to the topic.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Ummmm................ Him who? :heh: :heh:

My bad, I read your post wrongly :heh:

[krisslanza]

Teana and Subaru obviously are in a relationship!
I kid, I kid. They're like Fate and Nanoha in MSLN, if less blushy-blushy whenever they're near each other.

I wonder if Ginga is going to be like Subaru and be all idolizing Fate. Seems she does idolize her, but not to the extent I can imagine Subaru (being younger and all).

I just watched episode 6 and I think it might still support a Fate x Nanoha pairing. Of course just because Fate say she was saved by "one with warm hands" doesn't mean much, but it would seem to me at least that if NxF aren't together... That Fate might be the one being in love with Nanoha. Like Tomoyo to Sakura in CCS to support my claim 'ere. =p

Trying to tack down Nanoha with anyone is rather hard, since she's just well... So nice, to everyone. With Fate we know she's happiest around Nanoha.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Teana and Subaru obviously are in a relationship!
I kid, I kid. They're like Fate and Nanoha in MSLN, if less blushy-blushy whenever they're near each other.


Nah, they feel... ALOT more different than Fate and Nanoha... Probably because of the different character... :heh:


I wonder if Ginga is going to be like Subaru and be all idolizing Fate. Seems she does idolize her, but not to the extent I can imagine Subaru (being younger and all).

I won't call it 'idolize', it's more like a simple 'respect'.

[krisslanza]

I meant they are close friends like Nanoha and Fate were, just without all the blushing constantly in each other's presence. They've known each other for a number of years that I can't recall and know a lot about each other.

But I still, as of now, still see them just as friends. They haven't done anything to believe so otherwise.

Do you mean Subaru or Ginga? I'll admit Ginga is more of 'respect' but Subaru borders on 'idolize' in a way.

[Fuyu no Sora]

I meant they are close friends like Nanoha and Fate were, just without all the blushing constantly in each other's presence. They've known each other for a number of years that I can't recall and know a lot about each other.

But I still, as of now, still see them just as friends. They haven't done anything to believe so otherwise.

Do you mean Subaru or Ginga? I'll admit Ginga is more of 'respect' but Subaru borders on 'idolize' in a way.


Subaru and Teana are friends. Plain simple. If people start speculating about them being a couple, then let'em be, but I don't think it's gonna happen anytime soon.

Ginga respects Fate whereas Subaru idolizes Nanoha. The serious idolizing type ><.

[Chaos2Frozen]

@krisslanza

Subaru and Teana are friends. Plain simple. If people start speculating about them being a couple, then let'em be, but I don't think it's gonna happen anytime soon.

Ginga respects Fate whereas Subaru idolizes Nanoha. The serious idolizing type ><.

^
What she says :)

[krisslanza]

I already said Ginga respects Fate more then idolizes... <_<

Ok so we need another relationship to debate over now.

[Chaos2Frozen]

I already said Ginga respects Fate more then idolizes... <_<


I meant that who I was refering to was what she said...:heh:


Ok so we need another relationship to debate over now.

Lindy and Clyde... What could have possibly happened 30+ years ago? :D

[Andy00]

When writers want a happy lesbian couple, they don't actually SAY it; due to cultural aspects.

Look at Haruka and Michiru from "Sailor Moon". (ie Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune.) People argued for OVER A DECADE (no, this isn't an exaggeration) that, really, they were just friends. (lol cousins). It was only when their popularity was legendary that they were more obvious about it in the last season.

For various reasons, when you flat out SAY someone is a lesbian in anime, they're either spoofed, or bad stuff happens to them. Really bad crazy stuff.

"Oniisama E", "Kannaduki no Miko", "Devilman Lady", "Mai-HiME", etc. etc. The one lesbian couple in "Maria-sama ga Miteru"? As in, the only one with the kind of proof people are demanding here? One of the girls instantly left to become a nun. And this is from the anime that is supposedly the "flagship" of anime lesbians. Tomoyo from "Card Captor Sakura" saved herself from a bad fate by dropping any claim on Sakura early, and practically throwing Sakura at Syaoran.

So frankly, if the writers have Fate and Nanoha as a couple, we're probably not going to have any of the "proof" that is being demanded here. It will be subtle, something known but not spoken about.

[Chaos2Frozen]

When writers want a happy lesbian couple, they don't actually SAY it; due to cultural aspects.

Look at Haruka and Michiru from "Sailor Moon". (ie Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune.) People argued for OVER A DECADE (no, this isn't an exaggeration) that, really, they were just friends. (lol cousins). It was only when their popularity was legendary that they were more obvious about it in the last season.

For various reasons, when you flat out SAY someone is a lesbian in anime, they're either spoofed, or bad stuff happens to them. Really bad crazy stuff.

"Oniisama E", "Kannaduki no Miko", "Devilman Lady", "Mai-HiME", etc. etc. The one lesbian couple in "Maria-sama ga Miteru"? As in, the only one with the kind of proof people are demanding here? One of the girls instantly left to become a nun. And this is from the anime that is supposedly the "flagship" of anime lesbians. Tomoyo from "Card Captor Sakura" saved herself from a bad fate by dropping any claim on Sakura early, and practically throwing Sakura at Syaoran.

So frankly, if the writers have Fate and Nanoha as a couple, we're probably not going to have any of the "proof" that is being demanded here. It will be subtle, something known but not spoken about.


How convenient! No physical evidence! :)

Nanoha and Yuuno have such a close and loving relationship too! Don't you know? They're just REALLY really shy about it so they're hiding it from everybody and covered their tracks well :)

And the writers are just being extremely subtle about it too ;) !

[krisslanza]

Why did you mention Kannazuki no Miko but didn't mention that it did in fact have a very blanat lesbian couple that did end up together?

Just because two anime you listed didn't end happily, doesn't mean Nanoha will follow that line.

EDIT:
Pshaw. No one cares about Yuuno anymore... =p *Not serious. I just don't. XD*

[Zemyla]

Nanoha and Yunno were so cute together, and I hope we see him in ep 7.

Also, am I the only one who is thinking of Raising Heart x Bardiche?

[krisslanza]

Nanoha and Yunno were so cute together, and I hope we see him in ep 7.

Also, am I the only one who is thinking of Raising Heart x Bardiche?

When were they ever 'together'?

And how can two intelligent devices be together? XD

[Meophist]

Since this is the relationship thread, I'm wondering about the nature of…Zest and Lutecia's relationship. I've heard "guardian", but would like to know what people mean by this.

[Zemyla]

When were they ever 'together'?
Well, maybe "together" wasn't the best choice of words. But I find it a lot more likely than Nanoha x Fate.

And how can two intelligent devices be together? XD
You remember in episode 3 of A's, where they both decided to not work unless the Belka-style cartridge system was installed in them? They had obviously decided it together, and so were in mental communication. And what else do you think they did in that communication besides decide to hold out for cartridges... :D

[krisslanza]

They're just AI programs though! XD

And show proof that Nanoha x Yuuno is more likely then Nanoha x Fate. Since Yuuno has far less screentime, and I'm pretty sure Nanoha didn't blush everytime she spoke about him. :3

[Fuyu no Sora]

They're just AI programs though! XD

And show proof that Nanoha x Yuuno is more likely then Nanoha x Fate. Since Yuuno has far less screentime, and I'm pretty sure Nanoha didn't blush everytime she spoke about him. :3

Yuuno has clearly stated that they are nothing but friends. Friends and nothing more.

And why can't it be possible for a Bardiche x Raising Heart thing? I'm serious here. Besides, Kha already gave them four kids: Mach Caliber, Cross Mirage, Strada and Kerykeion. (Mach Caliber maybe, since she's also half-crazy :heh: :heh: )

[quina]

as much I like this topic, dont think we gonna get anywhere.
the producer hint us on possibility of couples,
but he will NEVER shown them kissing nor going further than that...it sells bad.

The viewer are free to imagine on the possibility I guess...
As long as this anime is called "Magical blah NANOHA", she won't pair with anyone. (unless its the final ep and the producer decide to close up all dreams.

May be in FAR future Triangle Heart related universe somewhere, we would learn who she pair with. But not here in MSLN!

[Fuyu no Sora]

as much I like this topic, dont think we gonna get anywhere.
the producer hint us on possibility of couples,
but he will NEVER shown them kissing nor going further than that...it sells bad.

The viewer are free to imagine on the possibility I guess...
As long as this anime is called "Magical blah NANOHA", she won't pair with anyone. (unless its the final ep and the producer decide to close up all dreams.

May be in FAR future Triangle Heart related universe somewhere, we would learn who she pair with. But not here in MSLN!


Umm, the topic is "Relationships", not "Romantic Relationships". It can be any type of relationship. And this has been mentioned before. A big part of us know that they aren't going to pair anyone up, but we keep our hopes up.

[Chaos2Frozen]

And show proof that Nanoha x Yuuno is more likely then Nanoha x Fate. Since Yuuno has far less screentime, and I'm pretty sure Nanoha didn't blush everytime she spoke about him. :3

Down big boy down... :heh:

Zemyla was simply stating his (I'm assume you're a 'his') views and opinion... Something that a good portion of your pack seems to confused with facts...

And as I've said, they're keeping it REALLY SUBTLE :D , in fact so subtle that there's no evidence of it!

Yuuno has clearly stated that they are nothing but friends. Friends and nothing more.

They're REALLY REALLY good at hiding it!

*Thumbs up! :)*



Umm, the topic is "Relationships", not "Romantic Relationships". It can be any type of relationship. And this has been mentioned before. A big part of us know that they aren't going to pair anyone up, but we keep our hopes up.

But you know deep down inside that we all REALLY just want to talk about pairings :D

Since this is the relationship thread, I'm wondering about the nature of…Zest and Lutecia's relationship. I've heard "guardian", but would like to know what people mean by this.


The doctor refers to him as a 'Knight'.

It could just simply be a protective fatherly thing, "birds of the same flock", or even something pedo. :)

[krisslanza]

...
Did you call me a 'his'? When I clearly said a few posts again I was a 'rabid fangirl about shojo-ai/yuri'? <_<;

And I haven't said any of my opinions or evidence as 'facts', the only thing that makes them 'facts' is they are in the show and I am merely interperting them in the way to support what I believe. I haven't made up anything.

[Meophist]

The doctor refers to him as a 'Knight'.

It could just simply be a protective fatherly thing, "birds of the same flock", or even something pedo. :)Maybe, perhaps, "friend"?

Edit:...
Did you call me a 'his'? When I clearly said a few posts again I was a 'rabid fangirl about shojo-ai/yuri'? <_<;Try not to mind Chaos2Frozen. He's cursed.

[Fuyu no Sora]

...
Did you call me a 'his'? When I clearly said a few posts again I was a 'rabid fangirl about shojo-ai/yuri'? <_<;

And I haven't said any of my opinions or evidence as 'facts', the only thing that makes them 'facts' is they are in the show and I am merely interperting them in the way to support what I believe. I haven't made up anything.

Maybe, perhaps, "friend"?

Edit:Try not to mind Chaos2Frozen. He's cursed.

OMG! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Chaos really is cursed! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Omg, so funny! It so happens that I'm also a girl. And btw the first girl that he called a boy. You're the fourth one he calls a boy. I told him he's mean to girls. He says it's unconciously. Oh well. :D :D :D

Unfortunately I think that this show will not have romance. It's the type of show that concentrates more on friendship. Like the one Nanoha has with Yuuno, Fate, Chrono, Amy, Arisa, Suzuka,etc. Extremely low romance probability.

And yeah, most probably Zest is Lutecia's friend and guardian.

[krisslanza]

Well I'd have to think since in StrikerS they are more grown up, it might move beyond friendship. In MSLN and A's they're young so therefore it should focus on friendship.

But I suppose that is true.

[Chaos2Frozen]

...
Did you call me a 'his'? When I clearly said a few posts again I was a 'rabid fangirl about shojo-ai/yuri'? <_<;


Ermm... I was refering to Zemyla... :heh:



And I haven't said any of my opinions or evidence as 'facts', the only thing that makes them 'facts' is they are in the show and I am merely interperting them in the way to support what I believe. I haven't made up anything.

Why are you worried then? :D

I simply said "a good portion of your pack..."

I'm SURE your not ONE of them :D :D :D Rellaaaaxxxx.....

EDIT (1):

Maybe, perhaps, "friend"?

Ah yes! FRIENDS...

Silly me to forget that simple answer in a show full of FRIENDDDDSSSSSssss



Edit:Try not to mind Chaos2Frozen. He's cursed.

It's just coincidental.

EDIT(2):



Omg, so funny! It so happens that I'm also a girl. And btw the first girl that he called a boy. You're the fourth one he calls a boy. I told him he's mean to girls. He says it's unconciously. Oh well. :D :D :D



Ma'am, a faster way to tell the WHOLE world about it would be to spam emails ...


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :heh: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[FlareKnight]

Hard to say the exact relationship with Zest and Lutecia since we just saw them once. Seems safe to call it a friend/guardian thing, probably something close to Hayate and her knights (minus the cosplay).

I try to avoid using anything but the person's name, rather avoid calling a guy a girl or vice versa.

[Meophist]

And yeah, most probably Zest is Lutecia's friend and guardian.I'm kinda wondering what you guys mean by "guardian". The word itself has multiple meanings.

[Chaos2Frozen]

I try to avoid using anything but the person's name, rather avoid calling a guy a girl or vice versa.

It's sometimes hard for me to use a sentence without 'he', 'she', 'him', 'her', 'his' ...

...The alternative would be 'it', but I figure that'll invite more trouble...:heh:

I'm kinda wondering what you guys mean by "guardian". The word itself has multiple meanings.

For me? The common meaning...

A protector, a bodyguard.

[Meophist]

For me? The common meaning...

A protector, a bodyguard.Lutecia needs one? Rather than that…

…actually, where is people getting this? They go around together, it doesn't mean Zest is protecting her.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Lutecia needs one? Rather than that…

…actually, where is people getting this? They go around together, it doesn't mean Zest is protecting her.

First impression.

If you don't like it, you can always wait awhile longer to observe their actions sometime in the future...

Or do you like the 'just friends' answer :D

[Fuyu no Sora]

It's just coincidental.

EDIT(2):

Ma'am, a faster way to tell the WHOLE world about it would be to spam emails ...


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :heh: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

No. Yours is not coincidential Sir. Yours is a curse :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Besides, I don't like spamming.

Lutecia needs one? Rather than that…

…actually, where is people getting this? They go around together, it doesn't mean Zest is protecting her.

Even though we can see Lutecia is powerful enough by herself, I think maybe she has Zest hanging around for a 'Just-in-case-a-crazy-White-Devil-wants-to-be-friends" :heh: :heh: (Not joking here)

[Chaos2Frozen]

No. Yours is not coincidential Sir. Yours is a curse :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Besides, I don't like spamming.


*Smiles and nods 'understandingly'...*


Even though we can see Lutecia is powerful enough by herself, I think maybe she has Zest hanging around for a 'Just-in-case-a-crazy-White-Devil-wants-to-be-friends" :heh: :heh: (Not joking here)

Or even better! Have the two of them become close, then kill Zest off...

That way we'll get another emo episode, but this time there's the possiblilities of it having the BEST ending... :D

[Tenkaichi]

Yuuno has clearly stated that they are nothing but friends. Friends and nothing more.


Manga proof is in StrikerS 01 where Yuuno is talking to Amy (after Arf slips out something about Amy and Chrono getting busier when they have kids) :D

Amy: Oh yeah, Yuuno, have you made any progress with Nanoha yet? (Amy offscreen)
Yuuno: Nanoha saved me once and we're close childhood friends, but we're really nothing more than that (panel spoken with a smile on his face)

...and back to whatever topic was at hand.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Manga proof is in StrikerS 01 where Yuuno is talking to Amy (after Arf slips out something about Amy and Chrono getting busier when they have kids) :D

Amy: Oh yeah, Yuuno, have you made any progress with Nanoha yet? (Amy offscreen)
Yuuno: Nanoha saved me once and we're close childhood friends, but we're really nothing more than that (panel spoken with a smile on his face)

...and back to whatever topic was at hand.

That being said, Fate had also replied with the same answer (more or less) when asked that question in the Sound Stage....

...NOW we can return to whatever topic was at hand.

[Kha]

Well how about this?

Nanoha and Yunno were so cute together, and I hope we see him in ep 7.

Also, am I the only one who is thinking of Raising Heart x Bardiche?

You're not alone friend! And the evidence is, RH and Bard, with the help of Shari who assisted the birth, 'made' 2 kids, Mach Caliber and Cross Mirage. They even have similar sibling names, those junior devices. :D

[Chaos2Frozen]

You're not alone friend! And the evidence is, RH and Bard, with the help of Shari who assisted the birth, 'made' 2 kids, Mach Caliber and Cross Mirage. They even have similar sibling names, those junior devices. :D

But the inbetween process probably isn't going to be as... 'Eye catching' :heh:

[dkellis]

I'm just going to sit here harping about Arisa and Suzuka until the producers put them in StrikerS.

In the meantime, I hope that everyone still remembers their names, and the fact that they were best friends with Nanoha at the beginning of the first season.

[Keroko]

I'm just going to sit here harping about Arisa and Suzuka until the producers put them in StrikerS.

In the meantime, I hope that everyone still remembers their names, and the fact that they were best friends with Nanoha at the beginning of the first season.

And the second, oh, and don't forget Suzuka was the one who became friends with Hayate far before Hayate had even met either Fate or Nanoha.

[Chaos2Frozen]

I'm just going to sit here harping about Arisa and Suzuka until the producers put them in StrikerS.

In the meantime, I hope that everyone still remembers their names, and the fact that they were best friends with Nanoha at the beginning of the first season.


Don't worry, they're not forgotten... They'll 'appear' in the next Sound Stage... But yeah, I'm not too comfident in their appearances for the anime... :heh:

[Zemyla]

Don't worry, they're not forgotten... They'll 'appear' in the next Sound Stage... But yeah, I'm not too comfident in their appearances for the anime... :heh:
Come on, who wants to look at them? They've got no magic powers! :P

...I kid, I kid. And Chaos, I'm wondering why you called me a boy.

[Deathkillz]

Don't worry, they're not forgotten... They'll 'appear' in the next Sound Stage... But yeah, I'm not too comfident in their appearances for the anime... :heh:
yea that is so lame...and i doubt nanoha would even have time to pay a visit to her home where a really nice relationship between her sister and brother has been happening lately :rolleyes:

[Chaos2Frozen]

Come on, who wants to look at them? They've got no magic powers! :P

...I kid, I kid. And Chaos, I'm wondering why you called me a boy.

It's my default setting when dealing with unspecified gender :)

yea that is so lame...and i doubt nanoha would even have time to pay a visit to her home where a really nice relationship between her sister and brother has been happening lately :rolleyes:

You mean her brother and Suzuka's sister?

[Fuyu no Sora]

It's my default setting when dealing with unspecified gender :)

You mean her brother and Suzuka's sister?

I won my case. See? You ARE cursed :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D *Notes this down.*

Hmm......I'm not sure we'll get to see Earth people in this series. C'mon in what way can they help to the story eh?

[Chaos2Frozen]

I won my case. See? You ARE cursed :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D *Notes this down.*

Let not jump to conclusion, there's is no reason to suspect that h- erm, Zemyla is in any way unpleased. :heh:


Hmm......I'm not sure we'll get to see Earth people in this series. C'mon in what way can they help to the story eh?

Swing a katana and grow flaming wings?

[Keroko]

yea that is so lame...and i doubt nanoha would even have time to pay a visit to her home where a really nice relationship between her sister and brother has been happening lately :rolleyes:

Woa, hitting the doujinshi much?

Hmm......I'm not sure we'll get to see Earth people in this series. C'mon in what way can they help to the story eh?Swing a katana and grow flaming wings?

Summon golden rings and huge mass-destructive dragons?

[Deathkillz]

You mean her brother and Suzuka's sister?
no i specifically mean an incest relationship :rolleyes:

just look...

matchmaking heaven :3
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/3388/snapshot20070516232445wp4.th.jpg (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20070516232445wp4.jpg)

[Keroko]

Heh, the picture itself says nothing, but the timing with the subtitles does create a sugestive situation. :heh:

Ain't gonna happen, though.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Woa, hitting the doujinshi much?


no i specifically mean an incest relationship :rolleyes:

just look...

matchmaking heaven :3
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/3388/snapshot20070516232445wp4.th.jpg (http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20070516232445wp4.jpg)


OHHHH~!!!.... THAT one... But allow me to one up ...


http://acatisfinetoo.com/edible/nanoha/as_nanoss17.jpg


SEE?! 'Brothers' and 'sisters' can still hit off :D

EDIT:

Heh, the picture itself says nothing, but the timing with the subtitles does create a sugestive situation. :heh:

Ain't gonna happen, though.

I would sacrifice this one for the possiblility of the OTHER one happening... :)

[Keroko]

I would sacrifice this one for the possiblility of the OTHER one happening... :)

Oi oi oi, are you sugesting Chrono to go two-timing between Amy and Fate here?



.... Cause you've got my full suport.

[Deathkillz]

what is this "other" that you guys speak of? :rolleyes:

(ill have to support if it means that hes laying his dirty grips off fate chan T.T)

[Chaos2Frozen]

Oi oi oi, are you sugesting Chrono to go two-timing between Amy and Fate here?


.... Cause you've got my full suport.

what is this "other" that you guys speak of? :rolleyes:

(ill have to support if it means that hes laying his dirty grips off fate chan T.T)

*shrugged*

I'm just saying... :D

[Meophist]

It's odd. I was just listening to Sound Stage M(takes place 10 years after A's), and there wasn't much mention about the situation with Nanoha's family.

[Chaos2Frozen]

It's odd. I was just listening to Sound Stage M(takes place 10 years after A's), and there wasn't much mention about the situation with Nanoha's family.

I guess they ran out of space and had to prioritized which information people want to know first...

... But there's a possiblity that they're saving that card for later (Though i don't know how/why) ...

[Keroko]

what is this "other" that you guys speak of? :rolleyes:

(ill have to support if it means that hes laying his dirty grips off fate chan T.T)

Actually, two-timing would mean he would get his hands on both Amy and Fate.

But back on track, I don't see the Nanoha sibling incest happening. Mainly because Kyou-chan already has a girl, to sudenly switch to an incest pairing would mean they have to devote atention away from the main cast, and I don't see that happening. Especially with StrikerS.

[Meophist]

I guess they ran out of space and had to prioritized which information people want to know first...

... But there's a possiblity that they're saving that card for later (Though i don't know how/why) ...
Didn't somebody say that the next StrikerS Sound Stage takes place on Earth?

[Andy00]

All the respect people are asking for goes both ways.

So far, the only people "proven" are Amy and Chrono.

Let's, however, explore the definition of proof.

Nanoha/Fate fans, what would you accept as proof of a Nanoha/Yuuno relationship?
The same question goes to Nanoha/Yuuno fans of a Nanoha/Fate relationship.


I postulate that any declarations of relationships are not going to happen. Nanoha will not have any on-screen kisses with anyone.

I also predict that if the impossible happened and some proof did occur, any rival shippers would complain bitterly about the show "selling out."

[Andy00]

Oh, regarding Nanoha's brother and sister.

Wasn't there one very quick (blink and you'll miss it) scene in episode 1 or 2 where her sister made a face that her brother was going to visit Shinobu?

And they never touched the subject again...

[krisslanza]

Yes Nanoha's sister made a face, I remember it.

Now for me, the only way I'd accept NxY as absolute fact is if it was proven. Which means Nanoha or Yuuno would have to openly admit it. In some shape or form.

Stubborn? Probably. But is it undeniable proof? Quite so.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Didn't somebody say that the next StrikerS Sound Stage takes place on Earth?

Yeah, it's a spa scene :D

On the cover, there's the picture of the main cast and on the CD there's all the secondary female characters (Alisa, Suzuka, Amy, Arf...)

All the respect people are asking for goes both ways.

So far, the only people "proven" are Amy and Chrono.

Let's, however, explore the definition of proof.

Nanoha/Fate fans, what would you accept as proof of a Nanoha/Yuuno relationship?
The same question goes to Nanoha/Yuuno fans of a Nanoha/Fate relationship.



I'll accept... That Nanoha/Fate is not random.


I postulate that any declarations of relationships are not going to happen. Nanoha will not have any on-screen kisses with anyone.

I also predict that if the impossible happened and some proof did occur, any rival shippers would complain bitterly about the show "selling out."

Enough, you and several other people have already drill the particularly painful fact into our heads, stop rubbing salt on the wound.

Oh, regarding Nanoha's brother and sister.

Wasn't there one very quick (blink and you'll miss it) scene in episode 1 or 2 where her sister made a face that her brother was going to visit Shinobu?

And they never touched the subject again...

Heh :heh:

Yes Nanoha's sister made a face, I remember it.

Now for me, the only way I'd accept NxY as absolute fact is if it was proven. Which means Nanoha or Yuuno would have to openly admit it. In some shape or form.

Stubborn? Probably. But is it undeniable proof? Quite so.

Glad to see we're all gent- (Damn it!), CIVIL about this...

[raidou]

Actually, two-timing would mean he would get his hands on both Amy and Fate.

But back on track, I don't see the Nanoha sibling incest happening. Mainly because Kyou-chan already has a girl, to sudenly switch to an incest pairing would mean they have to devote atention away from the main cast, and I don't see that happening. Especially with StrikerS.

Umm if we go by Toraha line, it is not incest considering they are not really brother and sister by blood :)
Maybe that's why Miyuki made :eyebrow: face when Kyoya went to Shinobu. Although Miyuki doesn't seems to have any romantic feeling for kyo if we follow canon toraha line.

Shinobu is Toraha canon girl btw is anyone wondering ^.^

Dang it feel like some ship war's mines about blow up or something over here :x with the heated NxF vs NxY discussion

[Meophist]

Shinobu is Toraha canon girl btw is anyone wondering ^.^Nanoha's brother's name was Kyouya, right? You think he'll be married to Shinobu by StrikerS?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Umm if we go by Toraha line, it is not incest considering they are not really brother and sister by blood :)
Maybe that's why Miyuki made :eyebrow: face when Kyoya went to Shinobu. Although Miyuki doesn't seems to have any romantic feeling for kyo if we follow canon toraha line.


Ah, that would explain,




http://acatisfinetoo.com/edible/nanoha/as_nanoss17.jpg





Shinobu is Toraha canon girl btw is anyone wondering ^.^

Dang it feel like some ship war's mines about blow up or something over here :x with the heated NxF vs NxY discussion

Nonsense! We're all calm and relaxed... :uhoh:

Nanoha's brother's name was Kyouya, right? You think he'll be married to Shinobu by StrikerS?

That would be the natural flow of things... Assuming no news is good news ...

[krisslanza]

Heated discussion? We haven't really debated anything about NxF and NxY other then agreeing:
NxF isn't random
NxY will be accepted if anything comes up to support it.

Seems like it's a win-win? *Shrug*

[Meophist]

That would be the natural flow of things... Assuming no news is good news ...Is that really the natural flow of things? I'm rather suspicious since Nanoha didn't say anything about it in Sound Stage M.

[raidou]

Heated discussion? We haven't really debated anything about NxF and NxY other then agreeing:
NxF isn't random
NxY will be accepted if anything comes up to support it.

Seems like it's a win-win? *Shrug*

Ok ok ^.^ not really you but some other, the way they posting is provoking i guess...dont know maybe am just being paranoid :heh:

Nanoha's brother's name was Kyouya, right? You think he'll be married to Shinobu by StrikerS?

Yeah it is Kyouya

On the marriage part,probably if they follow the canon story , but it is toraha so there were 2 other girl in Shinobu storyline.They never shown end up marrying or not in the game, so you never know :eyespin:

Is that really the natural flow of things? I'm rather suspicious since Nanoha didn't say anything about it in Sound Stage M.
In my opinion from toraha perspective , he could be dead already(..am serious) but since this is nanoha (spin off) no idea about that .I dont think they will ever touch on that subject though since Nanoha's family basically characters borrowed from Toraha.So any development on em is part of the game.

[Meophist]

So assuming Kyouya is married to Shinobu by StrikerS, what would he be doing? Still at the kissaten?

[Keroko]

Umm if we go by Toraha line, it is not incest considering they are not really brother and sister by blood :)
Maybe that's why Miyuki made :eyebrow: face when Kyoya went to Shinobu. Although Miyuki doesn't seems to have any romantic feeling for kyo if we follow canon toraha line.

Not related by blood? When did that...

*double checks*

Oh, I see, more Triangle Heart. Whew, this can get confusing at times. Well, considering they hardly flesh out Nanoha's familly, I don't think we can exclude this. Maybe I should go on a hunt for that OVA, it does explain some of the less astonished faces on their faces when they explained what happened wih the TSAB and what Nanoha was going to do.

[raidou]

So assuming Kyouya is married to Shinobu by StrikerS, what would he be doing? Still at the kissaten?

Opss fall asleep while reading book, late reply ...Assuming they are married, he should be taking over the cafe from his father.Since in Toraha that cafe has important meaning to their family.

Though the problem is with Shinobu , in toraha she is also working in that cafe =\ so it is not weird if they both took over.They almost mentioned anything about her activities in nanoha.

Not related by blood? When did that...

*double checks*

Oh, I see, more Triangle Heart. Whew, this can get confusing at times. Well, considering they hardly flesh out Nanoha's familly, I don't think we can exclude this. Maybe I should go on a hunto for that OVA, it does explain some of the less astonished faces on their faces when they explained what happened wih the TSAB and what Nanoha was going to do.

Be careful though , that ova is a little mix of a few girls line in Toraha so might get a little confusing.Although it did explain why they dont seem to be panic/suprised with Nanoha's activities, assuming Shiro,Kyoya and Miyuki has the same occupation :heh: ....
It explain why Nanoha is fighting maniac, it is in her blood :D

In nanoha they did mentioned about Shiro(nanoha's dad) getting seriously injured in the past, whether this is something related to his game profession or just simple incident remain unknown.

[Anh_Minh]

Shouldn't Kyouya be in Hong Kong fighting terrorists? I suppose Miyuki can take over.

[Aaron008R]

In nanoha they did mentioned about Shiro(nanoha's dad) getting seriously injured in the past, whether this is something related to his game profession or just simple incident remain unknown.

As far as I know, Shiro dies in Toraha but survives and quits his assassin/bodyguard job in Nanoha.

[Chaos2Frozen]

As far as I know, Shiro dies in Toraha but survives and quits his assassin/bodyguard job in Nanoha.


What a guy!

And I thought Kane was the only one who could pull that off :heh: ...

(... And Naraku... And Hao... And Mu-)

[raidou]

As far as I know, Shiro dies in Toraha but survives and quits his assassin/bodyguard job in Nanoha.

Yeah he dies in the start of game basically :heh: but what am trying to say whether in nanoha his injuries was from his bodyguard job or not.Since it was never actually mention in nanoha about his previous work, they could have changed it ^.^

[Andy00]

We do, however, see Nanoha watching her brother and sister spar using the outfits and techniques from Triangle Hearts.

Fanfic idea would be having Nanoha caught in an AMF, then suddenly using a family Chi (whatever) technique to get out. "Dad made me learn this after the incident 5 years ago."

That would make her TOO god-mode hax, though. Heh.

[Kha]

We do, however, see Nanoha watching her brother and sister spar using the outfits and techniques from Triangle Hearts.

Fanfic idea would be having Nanoha caught in an AMF, then suddenly using a family Chi (whatever) technique to get out. "Dad made me learn this after the incident 5 years ago."

That would make her TOO god-mode hax, though. Heh.

If you interpret Chi/Chakra as Linker Core magics, it's not that hard to imagine. :D

[dkellis]

We do, however, see Nanoha watching her brother and sister spar using the outfits and techniques from Triangle Hearts.

Fanfic idea would be having Nanoha caught in an AMF, then suddenly using a family Chi (whatever) technique to get out. "Dad made me learn this after the incident 5 years ago."

That would make her TOO god-mode hax, though. Heh.

That's actually a good point: after Nanoha explains the truth to her family, I can't imagine her father not wanting to give every advantage he can to his little girl. We know that Nanoha is still on Earth at age sixteen (in the epilogue of A's), so that's six years she can have the family school of swordfighting (or martial arts) drilled into her.

Unless Nanoha had just given up physical training as a lost cause from the beginning. (With her ambition to becoming a combat instructor, though, it seems unlikely that she'll rely completely on her magic.)

... dammit, now I really want to see a scene in StrikerS where it seems like all is lost, and Nanoha is about to be coup-de-graced, but there is a sudden flash, and Miyuki or Kyouya is there, and the baddie jumps back in surprise. "More friends?"

"We're family."

[Ottocycle]

Now THAT is one scenario destined for badassery, in the same vein as Nagato's knife catch I'd say...It can be even better if Shiro himself decided to appear(with his awakened abilities and whatnot)

But wouldn't bringing the family back into the story, Sound Stages aside, be too much of a stretch(double meaning intended)?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Now THAT is one scenario destined for badassery, in the same vein as Nagato's knife catch I'd say...It can be even better if Shiro himself decided to appear(with his awakened abilities and whatnot)

But wouldn't bringing the family back into the story, Sound Stages aside, be too much of a stretch(double meaning intended)?

It would.

And not to mention confusing as hell to people who had never watch Triangle Hearts... :heh:

[Nightengale]

If we assume that the whole cast is going to be AMF-ed (( maybe the Relics are actually super AMF amplifiers or something )) so bad they're forced to retreat to Earth to hide from Terminator Drones that took over TSAB outpost all over Administrated Worlds, who you're gonna call?

Then, one episode later, Yuuno and Shari revealed that they've upgraded all the devices...to include AMF-Canceler. *cue Freedom music*

Oh, and on that Elio thing in the Ep.7 thread, Chaos...If we're gonna take mecha references seriously assuming there's gonna be raburabu tension between Elio and Lutecia...she's not gonna survive StrikerS. :P

[dkellis]

Now THAT is one scenario destined for badassery, in the same vein as Nagato's knife catch I'd say...It can be even better if Shiro himself decided to appear(with his awakened abilities and whatnot)

But wouldn't bringing the family back into the story, Sound Stages aside, be too much of a stretch(double meaning intended)?

Yeah, in another series, it would have been a bit too much of a Deus Ex Machina, but then MSLN is already filled with them (where did the Starlight Breaker come from, much less the Excelion spear and Zanber sword?), and I don't think something like this would quirk that many eyebrows.

Of course, if the Sound Stage does reveal that they've been living happily mundane lives on Earth, I'll be a bit disappointed, but resigned. The cast is large enough as it is, and it's not inconceivable that all the old Earth-born characters are pushed to the side. (That, and maybe the VAs aren't available. Rie Kugimiya's already doing Nagi, and Hikaru Midorikawa is reprising his role as Seiran.)

Still, I've been wondering since the first season if Nanoha's raw talent and capacity for magic is a one-off unique thing...

... or if it's hereditary.

EDIT:
It would.

And not to mention confusing as hell to people who had never watch Triangle Hearts... :heh:

Well, we were shown Kyouya and Miyuki training in the first season, so that's our connection, I suppose.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Oh, and on that Elio thing in the Ep.7 thread, Chaos...If we're gonna take mecha references seriously assuming there's gonna be raburabu tension between Elio and Lutecia...she's not gonna survive StrikerS. :P

Wanna put your cookies where your mouth is? :p


Then, one episode later, Yuuno and Shari revealed that they've upgraded all the devices...to include AMF-Canceler. *cue Freedom music*


They're come this far, might as well go the whole nine yards :D

[raidou]

Well, we were shown Kyouya and Miyuki training in the first season, so that's our connection, I suppose.

I think he is also referring to other Toraha background such as the technique name, family background, etc.There could be really confusing even worse if those Toraha character's name whom Signum,Subaru based on pop up in the discussion :p

Still, I've been wondering since the first season if Nanoha's raw talent and capacity for magic is a one-off unique thing...

... or if it's hereditary.

It could be assumed that Nanoha being adapt for battle come from his father since kyoya also talented in that aspect (Miyuki adopted from another assassin family Toraha)


In my opinion,at most only Suzuka and Arisa would come back in the storyline.Nanoha's family might appear as cameo to connect with Shinobu(Suzuka'sister)/Kyoya relationship.
If they include too much of Nanoha's family, it might messed up with Toraha's storyline which is not going to be good for the game.

... dammit, now I really want to see a scene in StrikerS where it seems like all is lost, and Nanoha is about to be coup-de-graced, but there is a sudden flash, and Miyuki or Kyouya is there, and the baddie jumps back in surprise. "More friends?"

"We're family."
If they are gonna go that far, might as well put Noel there instead of Kyoya/Miyuki.It would be much more exciting and make sense.Afterall this seasons is filled with Drones and possibly humanoid relic,wont be too weird to have one more cyborg :heh:

Although Miyuki x-ray ability could come in handy for Nanoha to scan for enemy in case RH is broken/disabled by AMF :eyespin:

[Kha]

If they are gonna go that far, might as well put Noel there instead of Kyoya/Miyuki.It would be much more exciting and make sense.Afterall this seasons is filled with Drones and possibly humanoid relic,wont be too weird to have one more cyborg :heh:

Although Miyuki x-ray ability could come in handy for Nanoha to scan for enemy in case RH is broken/disabled by AMF :eyespin:

Erm... That sounded like Miyu's appearing in Mai Otome all of a sudden. :p But I assume if Noel does appear, she'd be just as haxx as a Linker-powered Swiss army knife. :heh: Who was the person who built Noel again? Maybe she might appear as the ultimate haxx technician who taught both Shari and Amy? Or even Miyuki's real mother on the side of the villians, like she did in Toraha (forgot the reason why)?

Boy do I love same-universe-crossovers. :heh:

[raidou]

Erm... That sounded like Miyu's appearing in Mai Otome all of a sudden. :p But I assume if Noel does appear, she'd be just as haxx as a Linker-powered Swiss army knife. :heh: Who was the person who built Noel again? Maybe she might appear as the ultimate haxx technician who taught both Shari and Amy? Or even Miyuki's real mother on the side of the villians, like she did in Toraha (forgot the reason why)?

Boy do I love same-universe-crossovers. :heh:

Noel is created by Kidou Sakura, she is the pink haired girl from 1st Toraha.You dont see much of her older version in 3rd installment.Mix Kotori(DC) with Shiori(kanon) and you get her :heh: .Shinobu is her nephew.

I didn't catch what you you are trying to say about Misato (miyuki's mom) but she own :D as in battle and tactic not technology though.


Relationship discussion for in Nanoha series could get very confusing if we include Nanoha's family >_> since their backgrounds are purposely unexplained.

[krisslanza]

I need to use this for my 'serious' reasons of why I'm opposed to NxY. Since this is about relationships and all... But do keep in mind, while I may not like NxY (I hate it), I do NOT hate the people whom support it. We all have our preferences and choices of what we like and dislike, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Now we know Nanoha and Yuuno are friends, but I don't see them in anything but friendship. For one, Yuuno is just... Not someone I like. Yes he did so some things in A's, but it was limited to a few minor things. He was a far better character as the 'OMG ALL THOSE GIRLS ARE CHANGING BEHIND ME' ferret. At least then he was funny and cute.

Plus, Yuuno looks so much like a girl it's not even funny even more. @_@

But that's not evidence, more so of just my own personal view. The only 'evidence' I can think of is the fact if Nanoha and Yuuno were dating or are dating... Why did he not appear, or even have his name mentioned, until episode 7? Unless Nanoha is a terrible girlfriend, which I find hard to believe considering how much she went on and on about the 'girl with beautiful eyes', whom she didn't even know or be friends with yet.

Ok. I feel better now. I needed to vent this on something and this seemed the most appropriate.

I also do propose this:
If, NxY is shown, don't come and laugh in our faces or anything. I'd actually wait until later on to see where it turns out. I mean, as a poor example, I'm sure in KnM it looked like it'd be Himeko and Souma, but look how THAT turned out.

[Nightengale]

Well...it's because they aren't dating. Both of them had reinforced that they're just very good friends, even if they don't meet each other too often because they're both busy with work left and right.

[krisslanza]

Yuuno's busy reading books all day and we know Nanoha's busy training all day. Nanoha's a busy, busy, busy workerbee.

Probably explains the 'surprise' you pick up in episode 7 when Yuuno spots Nanoha.

[Avatar_notADV]

Interesting point that I don't know where to raise, and it's at least a bit on-topic here...

Okay, so it's been established that whatever it is that makes a mage have magical talent is at least partially heritable. We've seen plenty of magic running in the family (Chrono and both parents, the whole Nakajima family, Teana and brother, Caro and her whole clan, yadda yadda.) It's probably safe to assume that the chances of a child of a mage being a mage is higher than normal; or more to the point, we don't know of ANYONE who's a relative of a mage, but has no magic potential, save Nanoha's immediate family (and do they even know?)

We also know that the TSA doesn't have enough mages to go around, especially A-class and higher. (Else, why is Nanoha wasting her time training up a bunch of kids fresh out of C rank?) Thus, mages are a valuable resource.

We also know that the TSA is at least friendly to the idea of its members taking time out of their careers to raise a family, cf. Chrono/Amy. Well, makes sense, if you're short on mages and there's only one way to make 'em, don't get in the way of that. In fact, they go way beyond most militaries in the sense that they allow members of the same family to be in the same command structure, like Chrono/Lindy, Fate/Elio, Subaru's dad and Ginga... this is ordinarily a massive no-no, but we've seen it way more often than random chance would suggest. Of course, the TSA's also a little more open to specific requests from high-potential mages than a normal military structure would be (a good idea, when they have that kind of firepower at their beck and call...)

The question is, precisely how much is that sort of thing "encouraged" by the TSA? At some point, is someone going to poke Nanoha or Fate or Hayate and say "hey, rank advancement is great, but you should find a nice man and have your kids while you're young!" or something? Even the US Army has a saying, "Captains may marry, majors should marry, colonels must marry" - so if the US army, which ain't really interested in its personnel breeding as a source of recruits, eventually puts pressure on its members to obtain a family, how much more does the TSA, where every high-rank mage couple has the potential to raise more mages, and those already in a military-oriented family? (One observes here that Hayate, in particular, is rapidly running out of ranks to be advanced; if they don't slow her up somehow, she'll definitely end up as one of the most senior generals of the TSA. "You're not getting promoted until we see some kids!" would do this job just fine.)

Of course, we don't really know how many mages are involved in the civilian economy of Midchilda, nor the proportion of mages in active service with the TSA, so it's hard to tell how much this sort of thing might matter in the long run. (Though it's fair to say that, as the power of the mage increases, the chance that they've been involved with the TSA probably increases as well - I mean, if they're willing to recruit friggin' 9 year olds if they're AAA, that suggests that Nanoha levels of power are in high demand in the ranks!)

Also, natural breeding is evidently NOT the only method for making a mage - we have Fate, we have Elio, both of which are the products of experimentation. It's not beyond envisioning that the experiment that produced Elio (or, for that matter, Lutecia?) was actually TSA-backed; they certainly have an interest in being able to produce mages directly, and the presence of the Jewel Seed-like structures in the drones at least suggests that somehow, the Jewel Seeds in TSA custody got out for analysis. Perhaps they were stolen, perhaps it's just another source of 'em, but it may be that they were "unofficially" lost to aid a deniable project... hoo, evil thoughts, evil thoughts. For some reason, I always think of the TSA as the heavy of the piece...

[KBTKaiser]

According to the first StrikerS sound stage though, Nanoha's father Shirou has ZERO magic ability. Admiral Graham, Nanoha, and Hayate are the rare occurences of crazy magic potential spikes on Earth. In a sense, it's possible that Ki and Magic are seperate elements in this universe.

Also, Miyuki is a cousin to Kyouya, I believe. Miyuki's mom is the same family as Shirou. However, Miyuki was left in Shirou's care after her mom went to infiltrate a major underground crime group, working her way up the ranks, IIRC. In the Toraha-verse, Nanoha learns of this in Lyrical Toybox. I think they altered the Nanoha-verse to have them be real siblings though.

[krisslanza]

Magic seems to be random... On Earth at least, since I believe in A's Graham mentioned he and Nanoha were one of the few people that get magical talent on Earth. It's rare, but it seems whenever an Earthling HAS that potetial... They are rather freakishly powerful in it.

Although I suppose it's possible 2 mages kid's might become an even stronger mage, which would lead credit to the ideal they want the women to marry men and have kids.

But if we go into that, it would also be safe to assume they'd want mages of near equal or higher status to have kids perhaps? We know Nanoha and Fate are S and Hayate is an SS... So let's say for the YxN fans, they try to make Yuuno marry Nanoha. Well, what rank is Yuuno? He doesn't use his magic very often, since he's you know, a bookworm. He uses his magical talent to research things in the library.

And anyone who reads Satashi's fics might come to the idea that, let's assume, NxF are dating. They are still in a military, so what if that's something they AREN'T allowed to do? You know the whole "Don't ask, don't tell" deal. It would then be safe to assume, if they were, they might pretend to be dating someone else to draw attention away.

*Shrug* Sorry if I make no sense. It's early and I got school to go to soon.

[Meophist]

The StrikerS Sound Stage mentioned that Subaru inherited her magical power from her mother.

I believe the novel mentioned(though I haven't read it) that Alicia has no magical power.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Although I suppose it's possible 2 mages kid's might become an even stronger mage, which would lead credit to the ideal they want the women to marry men and have kids.

But if we go into that, it would also be safe to assume they'd want mages of near equal or higher status to have kids perhaps? We know Nanoha and Fate are S and Hayate is an SS... So let's say for the YxN fans, they try to make Yuuno marry Nanoha. Well, what rank is Yuuno? He doesn't use his magic very often, since he's you know, a bookworm. He uses his magical talent to research things in the library.



Look at the facts.

1. He could fly easily, so it's no less than A rank.

2. He could hold out against Vita but obviously can't beat her, so no more than AAA rank.

3. He could match Arf in terms of skills and his spells more or less are similar to hers and some of Shamal's.

4. Arf is equal to Zafira. Zafira is AA rank. Shamal is AA+ rank. Therefore, it could be estimated that Yuuno is roughly around that level...

... AT THE TIME OF A's.

Of course, if you want a more detailed, and non-jaded description on what else Yuuno could do, I'll gladly take out Skane's post again...


And anyone who reads Satashi's fics might come to the idea that, let's assume, NxF are dating. They are still in a military, so what if that's something they AREN'T allowed to do? You know the whole "Don't ask, don't tell" deal. It would then be safe to assume, if they were, they might pretend to be dating someone else to draw attention away.

*Shrug* Sorry if I make no sense. It's early and I got school to go to soon.

You're hiding behind a fanfic...

... I've noticed it's an increasing trend...

... What gives? :heh:

EDIT: Bed time...

[Avatar_notADV]

We can assume that the TSA is uninterested in what Nanoha and Fate do in their private time. (Er, well. At least that they have no official comment. For that matter, it's not like either character is officially "out" in the first place. Doubtless the topic is actually one of fevered speculation among the young men of the TSA...)

From this perspective, though, there IS one serious problem with Yuuno. We don't know if he's human! Sure, it's entirely possible that he's just a mage who shapeshifted into a ferret because it was convenient, but if he's some sort of human-like were-ferret, it's entirely possible that he's not genetically compatible with humanity. Boy, wouldn't that cause problems...

[BPHaru]

Although I suppose it's possible 2 mages kid's might become an even stronger mage, which would lead credit to the ideal they want the women to marry men and have kids.

But if we go into that, it would also be safe to assume they'd want mages of near equal or higher status to have kids perhaps? We know Nanoha and Fate are S and Hayate is an SS... So let's say for the YxN fans, they try to make Yuuno marry Nanoha. Well, what rank is Yuuno? He doesn't use his magic very often, since he's you know, a bookworm. He uses his magical talent to research things in the library.


Why they would want a child between Nanoha and Yuuno when they can have a stronger and cutest one between Nanoha and Fate? Maybe they are actually pointing at that, you know, they give them the same room, the same bed, and 3 hours of free time every day before bed.
If you’re asking “how 2 females can conceive?”, it would be really easy in their world, because in our world it is almost possible, in few years we will have a procedure that consist in the insertion of DNA from a mother in some random sperm from a bank, and then continue like artificial insemination using that sperm and a ovule from the other mother. The result would be a child with 2 genetics mothers, just like a child conceived using “traditional procedures” between a male and a female.


You're hiding behind a fanfic...

... I've noticed it's an increasing trend...

... What gives? :heh:
The only fact is that Satashi's fics are 10 times better than this average-poor quality third season.

-Haru

[Skyfall]

The only fact is that Satashi's fics are 10 times better than this average-poor quality third season.

-Haru

I wonder which part of that is relevant to the SERIOUS DISCUSSION ONLY bit in the thread title...

[Nightengale]

Wow. I'm amazed.

If TSAB's really desperate as hell, you'd think they'd ask Graham to contribute to Mid-childa's sperm bank rather than single himself, or force Chrono to divorce Amy to marry someone with a more "potent" aptitude...like Hayate or some non-blood-related sister-moe! C'mon, this is ridiculous as hell.

[Avatar_notADV]

Hey, for all we know, Graham's done his donation duty. (Or who knows, maybe he was a randy young man? It's not written in stone that all children must be born in wedlock, after all...)

I'm hardly suggesting that the TSA has some kind of compulsory breeding program or anything like that, but at the same time, it's hardly a theme that's never been explored in sci-fi. Take the Rowan series from McCaffrey, for example - nobody ever gets sat down and told "make us babies", but the families involved are pretty shameless in "arranging" for their eligible and unattached offspring to run into each other on a regular basis.

(Hm, I was just thinking the other day that Div 6 seemed a bit overstaffed with support personnel relative to its combat force...)

Actually, if you come to think about it, the TSA -does- recruit off Earth - not just Nanoha and the gang, but Graham and one of the Nakajimas (wife, I'm assuming? Hubby doesn't seem to have the skill...) One wonders exactly how common that sort of thing is - and given that Earth is what, "Unadministered Planet 97", just how big the TSA's recruitment pool is?

[Nightengale]

Graham stumbled across a TSAB clerk by fate, and that was the beginning of Mahou Shonen Classical Graham, MSCG : A's in the 60s, and MSCG : The 3 AdmiralS. :P

No real scouting and recruitment. Just a male Nanoha in a different time.

As for Genya, since his ancestors were Earthlings, and his side of the family didn't have magical potential...I dunno, his Sengoku-era samurai ancestor walked into a dimensional gate or something? For all we know, the mother side of Subaru may not neccesarily be from Earth. She could be a Mid-childan.

[Kha]

Interesting point that I don't know where to raise, and it's at least a bit on-topic here...

Okay, so it's been established that whatever it is that makes a mage have magical talent is at least partially heritable. We've seen plenty of magic running in the family (Chrono and both parents, the whole Nakajima family, Teana and brother, Caro and her whole clan, yadda yadda.) It's probably safe to assume that the chances of a child of a mage being a mage is higher than normal; or more to the point, we don't know of ANYONE who's a relative of a mage, but has no magic potential, save Nanoha's immediate family (and do they even know?)

We also know that the TSA doesn't have enough mages to go around, especially A-class and higher. (Else, why is Nanoha wasting her time training up a bunch of kids fresh out of C rank?) Thus, mages are a valuable resource.

We also know that the TSA is at least friendly to the idea of its members taking time out of their careers to raise a family, cf. Chrono/Amy. Well, makes sense, if you're short on mages and there's only one way to make 'em, don't get in the way of that. In fact, they go way beyond most militaries in the sense that they allow members of the same family to be in the same command structure, like Chrono/Lindy, Fate/Elio, Subaru's dad and Ginga... this is ordinarily a massive no-no, but we've seen it way more often than random chance would suggest. Of course, the TSA's also a little more open to specific requests from high-potential mages than a normal military structure would be (a good idea, when they have that kind of firepower at their beck and call...)

The question is, precisely how much is that sort of thing "encouraged" by the TSA? At some point, is someone going to poke Nanoha or Fate or Hayate and say "hey, rank advancement is great, but you should find a nice man and have your kids while you're young!" or something? Even the US Army has a saying, "Captains may marry, majors should marry, colonels must marry" - so if the US army, which ain't really interested in its personnel breeding as a source of recruits, eventually puts pressure on its members to obtain a family, how much more does the TSA, where every high-rank mage couple has the potential to raise more mages, and those already in a military-oriented family? (One observes here that Hayate, in particular, is rapidly running out of ranks to be advanced; if they don't slow her up somehow, she'll definitely end up as one of the most senior generals of the TSA. "You're not getting promoted until we see some kids!" would do this job just fine.)

Of course, we don't really know how many mages are involved in the civilian economy of Midchilda, nor the proportion of mages in active service with the TSA, so it's hard to tell how much this sort of thing might matter in the long run. (Though it's fair to say that, as the power of the mage increases, the chance that they've been involved with the TSA probably increases as well - I mean, if they're willing to recruit friggin' 9 year olds if they're AAA, that suggests that Nanoha levels of power are in high demand in the ranks!)

Also, natural breeding is evidently NOT the only method for making a mage - we have Fate, we have Elio, both of which are the products of experimentation. It's not beyond envisioning that the experiment that produced Elio (or, for that matter, Lutecia?) was actually TSA-backed; they certainly have an interest in being able to produce mages directly, and the presence of the Jewel Seed-like structures in the drones at least suggests that somehow, the Jewel Seeds in TSA custody got out for analysis. Perhaps they were stolen, perhaps it's just another source of 'em, but it may be that they were "unofficially" lost to aid a deniable project... hoo, evil thoughts, evil thoughts. For some reason, I always think of the TSA as the heavy of the piece...

Wow this is SERIOUS food for thought. Nothing like passive and active social engineering to remind me of Nathan and country (It really does remind of Singapore). But your points are valid, and I see another supporter for the theory that the TSAB has a dark side. :D

Hey, for all we know, Graham's done his donation duty. (Or who knows, maybe he was a randy young man? It's not written in stone that all children must be born in wedlock, after all...)

I'm hardly suggesting that the TSA has some kind of compulsory breeding program or anything like that, but at the same time, it's hardly a theme that's never been explored in sci-fi. Take the Rowan series from McCaffrey, for example - nobody ever gets sat down and told "make us babies", but the families involved are pretty shameless in "arranging" for their eligible and unattached offspring to run into each other on a regular basis.

(Hm, I was just thinking the other day that Div 6 seemed a bit overstaffed with support personnel relative to its combat force...)

Actually, if you come to think about it, the TSA -does- recruit off Earth - not just Nanoha and the gang, but Graham and one of the Nakajimas (wife, I'm assuming? Hubby doesn't seem to have the skill...) One wonders exactly how common that sort of thing is - and given that Earth is what, "Unadministered Planet 97", just how big the TSA's recruitment pool is?

I'm sure that's what Fate's trying to do setting up Nanoha and Yuuno's conversation, if that's the case.

*buffs up in case shots start flying*

And I'm pretty sure that pool's just huge. But a large organisation need a large force, and so it justmight be TSAB policy to draw mages to operate in a certain world from that world's population. FOr the uninhabited worlds, they may have to post on rotation basis a small taskforce of Enforcers on interdimensional outposts within a quater of a jump-cycle of that dimension. IN the end, it more or less enforces the fact that mages though many, just aren't as numerous as they are needed to be. Especially the good ones.

[Avatar_notADV]

Interesting points, Kha. One wonders exactly what kind of force Midchilda has. Or even more importantly, how much territory do they need to cover? Is it just one "home" planet? Presumably not - calling Earth an "unadministrated" world pretty much indicates that there are worlds which are "administrated". So... maybe it's like the British empire? One home base, a few colonial possessions, some bases/coaling stations, and every so often a patrol wanders around elsewhere?

Of course, the more mages that crop up in the fringes, the more mages that the TSA has access to - but at the same time, it also expands their responsibilities enormously, because a place which can produce recruitable mages can also produce threat mages. (Not that the TSA won't recruit the latter too!)

Div 6 hasn't done any dimension-hopping yet - certainly nothing like the mad rondo in A's. One wonders why - it would make sense to train up the rookies someplace far from an urban area, especially when some characters have really long-range beam attacks that might knock down nearby aircraft. On the other hand, if they're a rapid-reaction special assault unit, especially one dealing with local threats IN Midchilda, they ought to be based there.

Yeah, okay, starting to drift from the topic. Fate has plenty of reasons to throw Yuuno and Nanoha together, assuming she's not consumed with jealousy at the thought (and she ain't, evidently). The two are old friends - Yuuno's the only friend of Nanoha's present in the cast that's been with her longer than Fate. And if Nanoha gets a little bummed about how her training is going, then he makes a really good distraction, as a friend outside work that she can talk to. No matter how "close" Nanoha and Fate are, Nanoha can't really talk to her about Subaru and Tea without it getting at least a little official, after all. And if we're assuming that any relationship she and Nanoha has is of the Japanese "not actually lesbians, just girls who haven't met a guy yet" type, well, he's definitely a candidate for that spot.

[raidou]

Interesting points, Kha. One wonders exactly what kind of force Midchilda has. Or even more importantly, how much territory do they need to cover? Is it just one "home" planet? Presumably not - calling Earth an "unadministrated" world pretty much indicates that there are worlds which are "administrated". So... maybe it's like the British empire? One home base, a few colonial possessions, some bases/coaling stations, and every so often a patrol wanders around elsewhere?

Of course, the more mages that crop up in the fringes, the more mages that the TSA has access to - but at the same time, it also expands their responsibilities enormously, because a place which can produce recruitable mages can also produce threat mages. (Not that the TSA won't recruit the latter too!)

Div 6 hasn't done any dimension-hopping yet - certainly nothing like the mad rondo in A's. One wonders why - it would make sense to train up the rookies someplace far from an urban area, especially when some characters have really long-range beam attacks that might knock down nearby aircraft. On the other hand, if they're a rapid-reaction special assault unit, especially one dealing with local threats IN Midchilda, they ought to be based there.

Yeah, okay, starting to drift from the topic. Fate has plenty of reasons to throw Yuuno and Nanoha together, assuming she's not consumed with jealousy at the thought (and she ain't, evidently). The two are old friends - Yuuno's the only friend of Nanoha's present in the cast that's been with her longer than Fate. And if Nanoha gets a little bummed about how her training is going, then he makes a really good distraction, as a friend outside work that she can talk to. No matter how "close" Nanoha and Fate are, Nanoha can't really talk to her about Subaru and Tea without it getting at least a little official, after all. And if we're assuming that any relationship she and Nanoha has is of the Japanese "not actually lesbians, just girls who haven't met a guy yet" type, well, he's definitely a candidate for that spot.

That's a nice point on Nanoha and Yuuno relationship there.Not only Fate is in the same work position as her, sometimes there are just some problems that girls cant complained about to other girls :)

Plus like what you stated that other than Fate , Yuuno is the only other person that know Nanoha's past pretty well.So if Nanoha is getting some problems relating to her past experience.Those 2 (Fate/Yuuno) would be the better choice to talk to since they would understand her reasoning or when she refers to the past.I doubt even Hayate and Nanoha's family know as much as Yuuno.

I probably just repeating your point sigh...cant write something better with my english

They did dimension hopping in the Strikers sound stage that was released recently ^^ ...I doubt the producer gonna show much more normal training in the anime, not when everyone is already crying "booooring " with what they had in the last 8 episode :heh:

On MC territory , i doubt MC forces actually has much control over the other world like an empire.They only has information and world relationship (similar to relation between countries in earth) on em.I guess Earth is categorized as "unadministrated" because it has no magic culture therefore is not ready to form relation with MC.The way i think of TSAB is that they are similar to UN forces cum treasure hunter (with LL items being the treasures).They do their work secretly most of the time especially in the unadministrated world.

[Chaos2Frozen]

The only fact is that Satashi's fics are 10 times better than this average-poor quality third season.

-Haru

Hmmm...

Can I automatically assume it's because the focuses more on Nanoha and Fate's relationship, and exaggerate it out of proportion?


Wow. I'm amazed.

If TSAB's really desperate as hell, you'd think they'd ask Graham to contribute to Mid-childa's sperm bank rather than single himself, or force Chrono to divorce Amy to marry someone with a more "potent" aptitude...like Hayate or some non-blood-related sister-moe! C'mon, this is ridiculous as hell.

Actually...

...There might be the reason why he's some where out there, at an undisclosed location, and haven't been reporting back to headquarters...

To sow the seeds far and wide....

... Of course, this mission is TOP secret, and if he's caught, Mid-Childa would most likely deny all involvment.


That's a nice point on Nanoha and Yuuno relationship there.Not only Fate is in the same work position as her, sometimes there are just some problems that girls cant complained about to other girls :)

I'll take your word for it, as well as abit of hope. :)


Plus like what you stated that other than Fate , Yuuno is the only other person that know Nanoha's past pretty well.So if Nanoha is getting some problems relating to her past experience.Those 2 (Fate/Yuuno) would be the better choice to talk to since they would understand her reasoning or when she refers to the past.I doubt even Hayate and Nanoha's family know as much as Yuuno.


Which makes me VERY very interested in their reaction to the 'event' that had taken place several years ago...

... We've all seen Vita's, but what about the others?

[BPHaru]

Hmmm...

Can I automatically assume it's because the focuses more on Nanoha and Fate's relationship, and exaggerate it out of proportion?
Not exactly, I'm complaining about the argument quality of this show, I was expecting a lot more from this series.
The third season’s plot is nothing but a lineal succession of basically auto-conclusive episodes with almost no development of any kind, nearly no history development (“we need to protect the jewel seeds!” counts? It sounds like a Digimon or something like that), and any character development, all the characters are plain since episode 1 and until the first half of episode 8, they just stay there training, speaking about military issues, or killing some filler robots. Where is my crazy Precia and my poor Fate? Where is my Hayate squad and my Reinforce? In this season surely no, but I hope Ivory will put some character development and something good in the plot in the remaining episodes.

-Haru

[S_K]

Not exactly, I'm complaining about the argument quality of this show, I was expecting a lot more from this series.
The third season’s plot is nothing but a lineal succession of basically auto-conclusive episodes with almost no development of any kind, nearly no history development (“we need to protect the jewel seeds!” counts? It sounds like a Digimon or something like that), and any character development, all the characters are plain since episode 1 and until the first half of episode 8, they just stay there training, speaking about military issues, or killing some filler robots. Where is my crazy Precia and my poor Fate? Where is my Hayate squad and my Reinforce? In this season surely no, but I hope Ivory will put some character development and something good in the plot in the remaining episodes.

-Haru

I actually agree with you Haru, all they do so far is training and fighting stupid robots. So far, there's no plot developpment. I hope they fix this, because Im a Nanoha fan, I would expect something gud like the 1st and 2nd season :):):)

[krisslanza]

If Yuuno is supposed to be an AA-ish rank... Why did he get his butt kicked by the 1st Jewel Seed monster when Nanoha annihilates it easily? While most mages have to be A Rank to fly, it doesn't mean ONLY A Rank mages can fly. Just only A Rank ones are allowed to be a part of that division.

I need to find more evidence for FxN. *Ponders*
Well. I wonder if I mentioned it but. In the StrikerS opening it DOES have Nanoha and Fate together during that Relics moment... It also shows Erio and Caro together, so there has to be a reason for it... Right?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Not exactly, I'm complaining about the argument quality of this show, I was expecting a lot more from this series.

Fair enough.

Though the following would be out of topic from the thread...



The third season’s plot is nothing but a lineal succession of basically auto-conclusive episodes with almost no development of any kind, nearly no history development (“we need to protect the jewel seeds!” counts? It sounds like a Digimon or something like that),

That is a rather bias and clouded judgement.

No developments? No history developments?

I would like to point out the fire incident in episode 2. I would like to point out Caro long and badly timed flashback in episode 5.


and any character development, all the characters are plain since episode 1 and until the first half of episode 8, they just stay there training, speaking about military issues, or killing some filler robots.

No developments? No character developments?

I would like to point out Erio and Caro's bonding periods. I would like to point out Nanoha and Fate's obvious maturity. I would like to point out the new members interacting with each other.

Training... I would like to point out that if they didn't have the training periods, and just jump right into the fighting, how much do you want to bet that even MORE people are going to complain about them being overpowered?

Military issues... What, you were expecting it to be a high school?

Killing filler robots... How many times has that happened?

Oh yeah, TWO.



Where is my crazy Precia and my poor Fate? Where is my Hayate squad and my Reinforce? In this season surely no, but I hope Ivory will put some character development and something good in the plot in the remaining episodes.

-Haru

I had enough of that, the results for following the previous two season is EVEN more cast by the end of the season.




See Darco_emp?

Falling apart.... :D

It's only a matter of time...

[Chaos2Frozen]

If Yuuno is supposed to be an AA-ish rank... Why did he get his butt kicked by the 1st Jewel Seed monster when Nanoha annihilates it easily? While most mages have to be A Rank to fly, it doesn't mean ONLY A Rank mages can fly. Just only A Rank ones are allowed to be a part of that division.

Wow, nice try though, especially when you ignored that Nanoha is at least AAA base on raw power alone and that Yuuno was already exhausted, and that the monster wasn't exactly in top shape after facing Yuuno for awhile.

Btw? A ranks are the ones that are allowed to fly because they have the SKILLS and raw power to mantain and control it.

Sure, anyone lower could try, but they'll just crash into a wall or something.

Do you see Yuuno with that problem?


I need to find more evidence for FxN. *Ponders*
Well. I wonder if I mentioned it but. In the StrikerS opening it DOES have Nanoha and Fate together during that Relics moment... It also shows Erio and Caro together, so there has to be a reason for it... Right?

Lets not try that Op and Ed clue searching again, cause it would also mean that Nanoha would die and be one with the stars.


EDIT:

Lesson started, play with you later again...

[BPHaru]

Fair enough.

Though the following would be out of topic from the thread...




That is a rather bias and clouded judgement.

No developments? No history developments?

I would like to point out the fire incident in episode 2. I would like to point out Caro long and badly timed flashback in episode 5.



No developments? No character developments?

I would like to point out Erio and Caro's bonding periods. I would like to point out Nanoha and Fate's obvious maturity. I would like to point out the new members interacting with each other.

Training... I would like to point out that if they didn't have the training periods, and just jump right into the fighting, how much do you want to bet that even MORE people are going to complain about them being overpowered?

Military issues... What, you were expecting it to be a high school?

Killing filler robots... How many times has that happened?

Oh yeah, TWO.




I had enough of that, the results for following the previous two season is EVEN more cast by the end of the season.




See Darco_emp?

Falling apart.... :D

It's only a matter of time...

Sorry, I can’t argue against your post, using my English it would take a lot of time. To sum up, it's only a matter of how much have happened in this series, ignoring all the non relevant successes and filler, and how many episodes it would really take to fit that plot in a normal anime.

I need to find more evidence for FxN. *Ponders*
Well. I wonder if I mentioned it but. In the StrikerS opening it DOES have Nanoha and Fate together during that Relics moment... It also shows Erio and Caro together, so there has to be a reason for it... Right?
Surely they are still paired in this opening for a few sequences, but they had practically the complete opening of the second season for them together. This is a step back, but there was no choice, they needed to show the new characters.

-Saludos, Haru

[krisslanza]

Yuuno only fought one of the Jewel Seed monsters... And failed at even beating that one. I still find it hard to believe he could be that high of a mage. If he is, why make him waste all his talent sitting in a library all day?
*Shrug*

And I was just looking for something to consider evidence that was from the series itself ok? :<

[Lunariska]

Fair enough.

Though the following would be out of topic from the thread...




That is a rather bias and clouded judgement.

No developments? No history developments?

I would like to point out the fire incident in episode 2. I would like to point out Caro long and badly timed flashback in episode 5.



No developments? No character developments?

I would like to point out Erio and Caro's bonding periods. I would like to point out Nanoha and Fate's obvious maturity. I would like to point out the new members interacting with each other.

Training... I would like to point out that if they didn't have the training periods, and just jump right into the fighting, how much do you want to bet that even MORE people are going to complain about them being overpowered?

Military issues... What, you were expecting it to be a high school?

Killing filler robots... How many times has that happened?

Oh yeah, TWO.




I had enough of that, the results for following the previous two season is EVEN more cast by the end of the season.




See Darco_emp?

Falling apart.... :D

It's only a matter of time...

it creeps me out but i have to agree with chaos here.
sure it could be a bit better in terms of char and story development, but.. why try to make something perfect and maybe overdo it that way, instead of enjoy it like it is
i really don't get haru's point here, maybe he was expecting too much from strikers.
at last i'm statisfied with the char development. for story development is enough room there. we're with 8 episodes barely on 1/3 of this season.
my guess is, the season is not being made as last season, so there is no reason to make all things clear.


edit:
well Yuuno might be a A mage. there is no point in being a A Mage = Able to fly, able to fire off some nuke skills, able to do that what other A Rank Mages do.
Magic can be from various sort and type, and Yuuno seem's more talentet in defense, binding, healing and... reading book magic then offensive.
you'd ever try'd to beat some boss monster in a RPG with just your supporter charackters?
i think it's obviously that yuuno has some power, maybe A, maybe even AA, maybe below A. but his offensive skills are just crappy. no wonder he can't beat a jewel seed monster.

[Ruri]

Yuuno's powers don't lie in offense. He's an incredible support mage, but he's not the best person to be in combat.

[Lunariska]

i wouldn't say "incredebil"
if you compare his support abillitys to, hum, *try not to use nanoha or hayate,* Fate's offensive, or speed abillity's, it's more "above average" then anything else
and i don't think he will be fighting in strikers, since he's more suitable for the ressearch thingy

[Skane]

i wouldn't say "incredebil"
if you compare his support abillitys to, hum, *try not to use nanoha or hayate,* Fate's offensive, or speed abillity's, it's more "above average" then anything else
and i don't think he will be fighting in strikers, since he's more suitable for the ressearch thingy
It is neither prudent, nor fair to compare a "support" person's capabilities with a "combat" personnel. Their strengths and contributions to the team differ greatly. Comparing Yuuno to a combat Mage is like comparing a Goalkeeper to a Striker. What's the point?

Do you also regularly compare a Cleric's healing skill with a Warrior's bash? A Monk's defensive buff with a Warlock's poison spells?

As any competent gamer will tell you, trying to engage a high-level mob without a good support character is SUICIDE. Just like trying to play a soccer/hockey match without a goalkeeper.

Erio and Caro are currently the best example of how a support-Mage can turn the tides of a battle. On his own, Erio was basically swatted like a fly against the Type-3 Drone. Once he got boosted by two of Caro's enchantments though, he sliced that Drone like a hot knife through butter.

Caro was also instrumental in making sure he could score a hit on Nanoha, and even Teana acknowledges Caro's contribution to the team during their first mock Drone battle.

If Yuuno was not in battle, A's would have ended very much prematurely, since Nanoha and Fate would be DEAD. :p Annihilation Lightning, anyone? Notice how he was the ONLY one who recognised the threat that the spell posed, and did not need prompting to cast his protection spell (the Wolkenritter had to warn Arf, Fate and Nanoha about the danger).

Knowledge is power, and Yuuno has it. His talent and raw skill in using magic without the aid of a device is also commendable. Nanoha was shown to be using magic without using a device in Ep08, but she is already 19. Yuuno was flying around and casting spells device-less at the age of 9 (and possibly younger, since we've not been privy to his history yet). Just imagine the potential Yuuno will have if he ever decides to adopt a device of his own (gloves like Caro perhaps?)

Cheers.

[BPHaru]

Knowledge is power, and Yuuno has it. His talent and raw skill in using magic without the aid of a device is also commendable. Nanoha was shown to be using magic without using a device in Ep08, but she is already 19. Yuuno was flying around and casting spells device-less at the age of 9 (and possibly younger, since we've not been privy to his history yet). Just imagine the potential Yuuno will have if he ever decides to adopt a device of his own (gloves like Caro perhaps?)

Cheers.

Maybe he can't use any device, just like arf and zafira. Remember we don't know anything about Yuuno's race, we only know he looks like a human or a ferret, but nothing more, maybe he isn’t a human, but something else.

Saludos, Haru

[krisslanza]

RH was Yuuno's Device, wasn't it? He gave it away. But that's besides the point, we need another relationship thing to come up...

[Lunariska]

Feretania *just kidding*

you made your point. well i'm playing rpg's like this: be so strong that you one hit and nuke all enemy's, before your turn ends.
boom.
ok, that's not elsewhere possible but in the most games.
yuuno may be strong at defense and stuff, but you can't wind with only defense. ( that's was what i'm getting at )
but you CAN, most likely injured but alive, beat someone with only offensive.
i didn't say yuuno is weak or something, just that's no wonder that the jewel beast beat him up.
and his potenial when using a davice. well, dunno.. maybe arround S or if he posses a powerfull device, S+, but you know.. he will have to use limiter, like the rest of his unit. but i think since he don't fight anymore, he don't have to use a davice or anything like that stuff.


i guess we went way too far off topic

edit: i don't want to read 10 whole pages 'bout realtionship from which i'm maybe in 50% interestet. could someone please listen up which relationsships was already discussed?

edit2: rofl. i'm sorry for that terrible english, but it's late ( 6am now.. i forgot to sleep -.- that will be a happy day ) and beside that, i'm still learning ( and that's quite hard w/o a teacher, school or something like that )

[Chaos2Frozen]

Erm... Yeah... Need new relationships... :uhoh:



Yuuno only fought one of the Jewel Seed monsters... And failed at even beating that one. I still find it hard to believe he could be that high of a mage. If he is, why make him waste all his talent sitting in a library all day?
*Shrug*


Ah well, Skane already said it... No need to repeat I guess...

Sorry, I can’t argue against your post, using my English it would take a lot of time. To sum up, it's only a matter of how much have happened in this series, ignoring all the non relevant successes and filler, and how many episodes it would really take to fit that plot in a normal anime.

-Saludos, Haru

You're making it sound as if you just want to get the show over and done with in the quickest possible time ever.

I understand slow plots are sometimes annoying, but what I don't get is why people want the plot to move so fast?

it creeps me out but i have to agree with chaos here.


Eh?!

Feretania *just kidding*

you made your point. well i'm playing rpg's like this: be so strong that you one hit and nuke all enemy's, before your turn ends.
boom.
ok, that's not elsewhere possible but in the most games.
yuuno may be strong at defense and stuff, but you can't wind with only defense. ( that's was what i'm getting at )
but you CAN, most likely injured but alive, beat someone with only offensive.
i didn't say yuuno is weak or something, just that's no wonder that the jewel beast beat him up.
and his potenial when using a davice. well, dunno.. maybe arround S or if he posses a powerfull device, S+, but you know.. he will have to use limiter, like the rest of his unit. but i think since he don't fight anymore, he don't have to use a davice or anything like that stuff.



A common misunderstanding about the limiter.

It is not because the trios couldn't control their power, they're using the limiters just to bypass a regulation.

(btw, were you playing RO? Cause it's the only one I know that you can do that... :p)




... I've got nothing :heh:

Though it's interesting how with the 4 new main characters, both Hetero and Homo factions gets Satisfaction :)

(I wonder if they could sweeten the deal for Erio... 'Greedy'? Damn right I am)

[BPHaru]

RH was Yuuno's Device, wasn't it? He gave it away. But that's besides the point, we need another relationship thing to come up...

Maybe he only found RH in an excavation or something like that. In the first fight of the first season he didn’t use RH or any kind of device, even if he was seriously damaged, he only tried to seal the jewel seed inside RH using his own powers.

Saludos, Haru

[Lunariska]

Erm... Yeah... Need new relationships... :uhoh:



Eh?!

A common misunderstanding about the limiter.

It is not because the trios couldn't control their power, they're using the limiters just to bypass a regulation.

(btw, were you playing RO? Cause it's the only one I know that you can do that... :p)




... I've got nothing :heh:

Though it's interesting how with the 4 new main characters, both Hetero and Homo factions gets Satisfaction :)

(I wonder if they could sweeten the deal for Erio... 'Greedy'? Damn right I am)


lol, yeah i do play RO. ( i own a 99/70 Gypsy, kinda badass build XD a bit self promotion ;D )

but it's more likely i'll do this in Final Fantasy games. just deal so much damage that the enemy don't have enough time to kill you. if you're overleveled it's easy

and you're the leeder of the 300. a member of the legion, agreeing with a 300'er officier is really creepy XD

and i know 'bout the limiter. nanoha, fate, hayate, they were all beyond A, so they were dropped. so i guess, it would be the same with yuuno.

we're already though the most relationships.

and i'd like subaru/teana much more then nanoha/fate, just cuz i like their personalities more


ps: i just startet posting arround here, and my english is almost not as good as i want, so don't be harsh if something wrong or stuff XD

[Chaos2Frozen]

and you're the leeder of the 300. a member of the legion, agreeing with a 300'er officier is really creepy XD



Eheheh... :heh:


and i know 'bout the limiter. nanoha, fate, hayate, they were all beyond A, so they were dropped. so i guess, it would be the same with yuuno.




Nono~ :heh:

They were dropped because of a regulation that states that every department in the TSAB have a limit cap on number of high ranking (AAA rank and above) mages.

It's a cheap trick, but by lowering their level, they're allowed more powerful people into Riot Force 6...

So it has nothing directly to do with being above A rank :)




we're already though the most relationships.


There're weren't much to begin with :heh:


and i'd like subaru/teana much more then nanoha/fate, just cuz i like their personalities more

This one I have to admit, they really have a Husband and wife thing going on... :heh:


ps: i just startet posting arround here, and my english is almost not as good as i want, so don't be harsh if something wrong or stuff XD

Nobody would ever blame you.

[Nightengale]

You know what totally cracks me up on this Yuuno =/= human thing? In a way, it's almost like an attempt to demean Yuuno's position within the story and relationships, but on the other hand, if StrikerS somehow really throws us a curveball and reveal that Yuuno's really one of his kind as far as shapeshifters go such as a genuine hybrid or something, it means that he'll definitely be integral as far as character-central plots go, and thus, increase his overall importance.

Orenji : That transformational matrix! He's no familiar...and that hair colour, eyes...fufufufu, what were the odds? Not only have I found 2 survivors of Project F, the only living baby specimen of Project A that was lost 19 years actually lived....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[Anh_Minh]

I thought it was pretty much established all Scryas were non-humans... (http://acatisfinetoo.com/edible/nanoha/bangai07.html) :p

[Kha]

I thought it was pretty much established all Scryas were non-humans... (http://acatisfinetoo.com/edible/nanoha/bangai07.html) :p

I'm dead sure that the SS that inspired it begs desperately to differ... :heh:

[S_K]

I thought it was pretty much established all Scryas were non-humans... (http://acatisfinetoo.com/edible/nanoha/bangai07.html) :p

Was there ever a human Scrya? without counting Yuuno

[LoweGear]

Was there ever a human Scrya? without counting Yuuno

Difficult to say, since we've never seen other Scryas asides from Yuuno, although we assume that since they're Midchildan natives that they most likely are.

[Kha]

You know what totally cracks me up on this Yuuno =/= human thing? In a way, it's almost like an attempt to demean Yuuno's position within the story and relationships, but on the other hand, if StrikerS somehow really throws us a curveball and reveal that Yuuno's really one of his kind as far as shapeshifters go such as a genuine hybrid or something, it means that he'll definitely be integral as far as character-central plots go, and thus, increase his overall importance.

Orenji : That transformational matrix! He's no familiar...and that hair colour, eyes...fufufufu, what were the odds? Not only have I found 2 survivors of Project F, the only living baby specimen of Project A that was lost 19 years actually lived....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

That would be surprising... But... What's with the HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, ah? :p

[Chaos2Frozen]

That would be surprising... But... What's with the HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, ah? :p


Repressed stress.

I know how he feels :heh:

[Nightengale]

stress lawl

I was trying to do a evil doctor laugh imitation...but I guess I should had placed it behind Scagliette's dialogue.

[Deathkillz]

Was there ever a human Scrya? without counting Yuuno
actually i dont think anyone else who doesnt come from earth can be called human...the are all aliens out there by earthling standards :o

[Kha]

stress lawl

I was trying to do a evil doctor laugh imitation...but I guess I should had placed it behind Scagliette's dialogue.

You left the M and the stress off. As in, MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :heh:

Nothing like a good laugh to kill stress from worrying that exams are next week and the White Devil's back. :D

@Death: *nods approvingly* Not to mention they are also Espers (psycomms) and Time-travellers (same time, but totally different frame of referrence). :D

[Lunariska]

well..

yuuno was in episode 1 very exhaustet and.. badly beaten and transformed into a ferret
maybe 2 reasons:
1. he try'd to escape/to hide as ferret. so it would be explanation that he is " not really" a feret
2. he IS really a feret und wasn't able to stand in human shape after the battle. magic exhaustet = no longer in human shape

i believe it was really the 2nd because he just "forgot" to change, even after he was ok.

remember how suprised nanoha was, when he transformed the first time?

[Keroko]

well..

yuuno was in episode 1 very exhaustet and.. badly beaten and transformed into a ferret
maybe 2 reasons:
1. he try'd to escape/to hide as ferret. so it would be explanation that he is " not really" a feret
2. he IS really a feret und wasn't able to stand in human shape after the battle. magic exhaustet = no longer in human shape

i believe it was really the 2nd because he just "forgot" to change, even after he was ok.

remember how suprised nanoha was, when he transformed the first time?

A more simple explanation would be: Bringing a heavilly injured ferret to a vet raies few questions. Bringing a heavilly injured boy -without ID, I might add- to a hospital, raises a ton of questions.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Lets not forget that Chrono also mention that he could return to his original form...

I believe one reason why Yuuno could have 'forgotten', is because before the events of season one, he could have stayed in ferret form for long periods of time and had gotten used to it.

[Lunariska]

like zafira and his doggy form. ( or is the "dog" form maybe his orginal form?" )
and i doubt that chrono know about yuuno's orginal form. i guess he was just thinking, a speaking feret = not normal

@Keroko
you have a point there. but it's a anime XD ok laaaame reason, i know, but we haven't evidence for all point's till yuuno really show's off some familliy pics or something

[Chaos2Frozen]

and i doubt that chrono know about yuuno's orginal form. i guess he was just thinking, a speaking feret = not normal


Yuuno's response wasn't,

"Huh? What are you talking about? I have always been in-"

It was,

"Oh! That's right! I've been in this form for so long I've forgotten..."

Give it up already :p

[Lunariska]

well it was a nice try, but for the ppl he will alway's be "feret-guy"
well we need another relationsship.. i wasn't there when you guy's discussed teana/subaru, too bad

[krisslanza]

Yunno turned into a ferret because it saves his mana, like how Arf stays in dog form when she isn't fighting; being a human uses up more mana so since he had to recover his energy, he stayed as a ferret.

But yes. He shall be forever known as 'Ferret boy'. I don't think they'll ever forget all that...

SubaruxTeana is... possible but... I still see them as close friends. They haven't hit the 'sappy love music' starts playing when they speak to one another and blushing madly stage yet. Like Fate and Nanoha. /shot

[Lunariska]

i didn't mean exactly a romantic relationsship, although i'm a fan of this paring.
someone earlier mentioned a "wife and husband thingy" between those two. i agree with that XD

[S_K]

I dont think a subaruxteana would work. lawl Teana is always to bossy and gets mad all the time and subaru is the exact opposite of her.

Or maybe that opposites will attract:)

[Chaos2Frozen]

i didn't mean exactly a romantic relationsship, although i'm a fan of this paring.
someone earlier mentioned a "wife and husband thingy" between those two. i agree with that XD

That would be me... Again :)

I dont think a subaruxteana would work. lawl Teana is always to bossy and gets mad all the time and subaru is the exact opposite of her.

Or maybe that opposites will attract:)

That is exactly the attraction between the two. :heh:

[Lunariska]

That would be me... Again :)



That is exactly the attraction between the two. :heh:

*runs away* someone, help me XD

you have a point there.

exactly cuz nanoha and fate are a bit too much alike for my taste, i'm not so much fan of this paring.
i think, if those two might be more alike, they were a less chance of being in any romantic relationship.
it's good as it is. ppl don't have to be very alike to be togehter

[S_K]

What about Elio's Harem :heh::heh::heh:

[Avatar_notADV]

I don't really think Nanoha and Fate are all that much alike, really.

Nanoha's definitely the aggressor between the two, when it comes to normal situations. But Nanoha's very much a solo type - grew up that way, was the odd one out in the family, doesn't really rely on others for her emotional support. Fate's the exact opposite in this respect - from the very beginning, her entire self-image was based on making other people happy. She couldn't make her mom happy, but to a large extent she's managed to transfer that onto her friends, and now her new family too. So there's a bit of imbalance in their relationship - Nanoha can deal without Fate around a lot easier than Fate can deal without Nanoha - but that's much less of a big deal now that Fate also has other people to deal with on a regular basis.

Subaru and Teana, well... different situation, really. They're not together because they've forged a deep bond with each other, they're together 'cause that's how they're assigned. They get along, they pal around some, they COULD put something together if it came to that. Certainly Nanoha's managed to (hopefully) knock some sense into Tea, and the way she did it looks like it has a good chance to knock some of the hero-worship outta Subaru. If the story trends that way, there's certainly a chance for the two of them to grow closer (though, y'know, presumably they won't get TOO alienated from Nanoha either, given the whole "still in her squad" thing.)

Still, I don't think that's the way to bet, if for no other reason than there's a lot of other characters kicking around in this show, some of whom are actually men. The real question is, when Subaru was petting Zafira, did she know he talks? (Or rather, that he's actually pretty good-looking in a buff way, when he goes human?)

[Chaos2Frozen]

What about Elio's Harem :heh::heh::heh:

Not yet... Not just yet...


Still, I don't think that's the way to bet, if for no other reason than there's a lot of other characters kicking around in this show, some of whom are actually men. The real question is, when Subaru was petting Zafira, did she know he talks? (Or rather, that he's actually pretty good-looking in a buff way, when he goes human?)

I'm willing to bet that since episode two till the Hotel incident, the poor bugger hadn't utter a single word :heh:

[S_K]

Not yet... Not just yet...



I'm willing to bet that since episode two till the Hotel incident, the poor bugger hadn't utter a single word :heh:

It would be batter if erio develops when he's younger. hehehe

That was great point that was brought up, Why did Subaru pat Zafira :confused::confused:

[Chaos2Frozen]

It would be batter if erio develops when he's younger. hehehe


That remains to be seen... :heh:


That was great point that was brought up, Why did Subaru pat Zafira :confused::confused:

Subaru's a little girl, that's all there is to it :)

[krisslanza]

Well Erio and Caro didn't know Zafira could talk... I'd believe Subaru wouldn't know either.

And you mean you guys never get an urge to pet a dog when you see one!? =o

[Lunariska]

to beginn with, it may be cuz they were simply in the same unit, but i don't think that's the reason anymore, why they get along
i guess, they get along cuz they wanted too.

obviously, we can't say if there might be something between those two, till we watched what teana will do in episode 9

[Chaos2Frozen]

Well Erio and Caro didn't know Zafira could talk... I'd believe Subaru wouldn't know either.

And you mean you guys never get an urge to pet a dog when you see one!? =o

Hmm, you got I point, I don't come into contact with dogs often, so the feeling kinda escapes me :heh:

[S_K]

Well Erio and Caro didn't know Zafira could talk... I'd believe Subaru wouldn't know either.

And you mean you guys never get an urge to pet a dog when you see one!? =o

I know this is off topic but my grandmother has a dog, and everytime I go near it, it starts chasing me, which I don't really like, even though I know the dog is happy. But I'm not really a dog lover.

[raidou]

Based on the rookies reaction, is it safe to assume that most familiar in Nanoha verse usually cant talk?Since Subaru did some research on Hayate's gang before hand.

Btw on ferret Yuuno , i actually wonder whether Nanoha's family actually know that the ferret is him since it was never mentioned in the anime/manga.

I would like to see Miyuki's reaction since she seem to cuddle with ferret Yuuno a lot.He might get chopped to pieces :p lol

[Nightengale]

Based on the rookies reaction, is it safe to assume that most familiar in Nanoha verse usually cant talk?Since Subaru did some research on Hayate's gang before hand.

Btw on ferret Yuuno , i actually wonder whether Nanoha's family actually know that the ferret is him since it was never mentioned in the anime/manga.

I would like to see Miyuki's reaction since she seem to cuddle with ferret Yuuno a lot.He might get chopped to pieces :p lol

They know. Alisa and Suzuka knows as well.

It's in the SS.

[Meophist]

In any case, every familiar we've seen so far(Lilith, Arf, Zafira, Yuuno, Lotte, etc.) can talk, so I'm not sure if "most familiars can't talk" is a reasonable assumption.

[Chaos2Frozen]

In any case, every familiar we've seen so far(Lilith, Arf, Zafira, Yuuno, Lotte, etc.) can talk, so I'm not sure if "most familiars can't talk" is a reasonable assumption.

Erm... I'm not sure if it was unintentional, or you're just trying a stab at humor :heh:

[Meophist]

Erm... I'm not sure if it was unintentional, or you're just trying a stab at humor :heh:
I can try humour every now and then too, you know, despite what some may believe.

[Nightengale]

Maybe it's because Zafira doesn't give the bloated impression he's a familiar?

I mean... even if magic consumption's less, one would think that they wouldn't mind or even prefer a human form, even if shota, when they're not in battle. It's not like there's a huge gap in consumption.

Zafira, for one seems to treat himself fully like a guardian beast. He doesn't speak unless neccesary, he's in the beast form 24/7, and even takes it to himself to eat on the floor.

Can't wait for Subaru expression (( to that extention, the rookies )) when she finds out Zafira has a human form...if we ever see it, that's it.

[raidou]

Well i am just assuming that since they are still surprised on Zafira case even though they knew that he is a familiar.

I was refering to most familiar in general/known by public.Since all the familiars shown so far are owned by high ranked mage so their intelligence lvl might be different.

@Nightingale, may i know which sound stage is that, if you happen to remember?(i assume it is A's SS)

[Meophist]

A's Sound Stage 03. Arisa and Suzuka talk about Arf's normal form is the wolf, but can become human, and Yuuno's normal form is human, but can become ferret.

[raidou]

A's Sound Stage 03. Arisa and Suzuka talk about Arf's normal form is the wolf, but can become human, and Yuuno's normal form is human, but can become ferret.

Thank you :D

[Chaos2Frozen]

I can try humour every now and then too, you know, despite what some may believe.

Erm, yeah sure... Why not...

Still I must say again in case some others forget...

Yuuno's not a familiar :heh:

Maybe it's because Zafira doesn't give the bloated impression he's a familiar?

I mean... even if magic consumption's less, one would think that they wouldn't mind or even prefer a human form, even if shota, when they're not in battle. It's not like there's a huge gap in consumption.

Zafira, for one seems to treat himself fully like a guardian beast. He doesn't speak unless neccesary, he's in the beast form 24/7, and even takes it to himself to eat on the floor.

Can't wait for Subaru expression (( to that extention, the rookies )) when she finds out Zafira has a human form...if we ever see it, that's it.


So basically, he doesn't talk until he's directly refered to :heh:

[Avatar_notADV]

"Are you kidding? Being in familiar form all the time is great. Nobody expects you to sit behind a desk and fill out paperwork all day. Nobody wants you to help them right away with whatever they were supposed to be doing themselves. While Hayate and Rein get to tear their hair out trying to figure out how many boxes of toilet paper we need a month, I go out in the park and play frisbee -all day-. And I can bite things when I get pissed. Plus, the girls love it. They can't keep their hands OFF me."

- From Division 6, The Secret Diaries, Zafira interview

[LoweGear]

"Are you kidding? Being in familiar form all the time is great. Nobody expects you to sit behind a desk and fill out paperwork all day. Nobody wants you to help them right away with whatever they were supposed to be doing themselves. While Hayate and Rein get to tear their hair out trying to figure out how many boxes of toilet paper we need a month, I go out in the park and play frisbee -all day-. And I can bite things when I get pissed. Plus, the girls love it. They can't keep their hands OFF me."

- From Division 6, The Secret Diaries, Zafira interview

This man wins for absolute truth :D:D:D

There's also the fact that being a dog, he can see what most others could not... :rolleyes::uhoh:

[FlareKnight]

Zafira has just put into words what many people have believed throughout the ages "Being a dog is great!" He's so got a point, just look at when they were transporting to the hotel mission. Getting pet by Subaru, then Erio and Caro being shocked that he speaks. Seriously he should've added that speaking just blows people away, they are so impressed.

Zafira has the right attitude. Being outside of his familiar form is just too much work, once you look like a person people have way too many expectations. Might as well stay like that and let them do all the administrative work, he just has to show up and fight.

[S_K]

"Are you kidding? Being in familiar form all the time is great. Nobody expects you to sit behind a desk and fill out paperwork all day. Nobody wants you to help them right away with whatever they were supposed to be doing themselves. While Hayate and Rein get to tear their hair out trying to figure out how many boxes of toilet paper we need a month, I go out in the park and play frisbee -all day-. And I can bite things when I get pissed. Plus, the girls love it. They can't keep their hands OFF me."

- From Division 6, The Secret Diaries, Zafira interview

I totally agree with you there. And i like that last sentence :heh::heh::heh:

[Daisuke CP9]

I'm half supporter for NanohaxFate, half Nanoha Yuuno. I'd like to ask something about the past shipping spam off topic wars that happened in the image threads in this forum.

First off-Why the fuck are people flaming and bashing Yuuno just because he appeared in StrikerS? It's not like he tried making a move on nnanoha, all he does is make appearances and that's it. What makes fans so angry enough to make all these 'Kill Yuuno' or 'Yuuno is dead as holy god fuck' genres either by Nanoha or Fate in these 4comas or comic strips? I'm just pointing out though, what wrong has Yuuno done? He hasn't tried asking Nanoha out or done anything cruel to nanoha. He's a ferret boy...is that what he did wrong or is it because he's such an unpopular minor character? Jeez, sometimes, even I think myself, take fandom too far in overreact or flame terms. One thong's for sure, just glad those off-topic shipping wars wont be coming any longer in the forums again, it was getting pretty childish but yeah, I am half NanohaxFate and half for NanohaxYuuno,s imple and no argument and will leave it to that.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Oh goody :), it's been nearly a week since the last post on this thread :D

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First off-Why the fuck are people flaming and bashing Yuuno just because he appeared in StrikerS?

It's not like he tried making a move on nnanoha, all he does is make appearances and that's it.


I blame the lack of parental guidance for drugs and alcohol...


What makes fans so angry enough to make all these 'Kill Yuuno' or 'Yuuno is dead as holy god fuck' genres either by Nanoha or Fate in these 4comas or comic strips?


Ah, it can't be helped for those long standing 4komas :heh:

It's better to remain consistence with certain things for it to remain funny...


I'm just pointing out though, what wrong has Yuuno done? He hasn't tried asking Nanoha out or done anything cruel to nanoha.

Give it up, most of them can't be reasoned with... I've already tried :heh:


He's a ferret boy...is that what he did wrong or is it because he's such an unpopular minor character?

Ermm... Are you refering to the first two seasons, or the current season? :heh:

Cause he's only a minor character now...


Jeez, sometimes, even I think myself, take fandom too far in overreact or flame terms.

It can't be helped, there will always be overeacting people in these kinda things... On both sides.