Claymore - Episode 7 Discussion / Poll

[Pellissier]

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[Mentar]

Jesus.

Just one thing in advance: I knew from the start that this would be an action-heavy episode, but...

Usually, most Claymore raws are between 250 and 280 megabytes in size.

This one is 470 megabytes.

Go figure.

[Seska]

I envy you. My Source don't have it On line :)

[dutchman]

Argh I hate you Mentar :p

How can I sleep when I know someone is already watching it??? (not counting the few 100.000 of japanese plp).

Ah wel at least based on your reaction it must be worth to watch it tomorrow:D

(Goes sleeping chanting softly Claymore claymore ... while in rabid fanboy mode...)

[Tempest35]

High frames per second. Sweet... Lots of movement is in the works. Very promising indeed since we should have 'Light Speed' and the 'Loli from Tartarus' featured finally.

[Deathkillz]

Jesus.

Just one thing in advance: I knew from the start that this would be an action-heavy episode, but...

Usually, most Claymore raws are between 250 and 280 megabytes in size.

This one is 470 megabytes.

Go figure.
still doesnt beat the RAW for GurrenL...over half a gig and i was actually stupid enough to DL it :heh:

em yea i cant wait to see this ep...and the problem is to just brace myself for an emotional rollercoster >.<

[Xellos-_^]

since Jebus did the screen caps i will delelted the 2ch link.

[Fenrir_valindri]

might wanna drop the link, against the forum rules :D


Edit: Oh sorry, did not have time to check the link myself >.< no problem then :D

[Xellos-_^]

might wanna drop the link, against the forum rules :D

When did 2ch become a ban site?

I thought the rule was to remove the link after a certain amount of time becuase it will turn into a link of porn

[striderm]

Those're just pics from the ep, I think they were thinking you were linking to the actual episode.

[hi no ken Jebus]

Hmm more or less what I expected although the claymores going super saiyajin in the end made me laugh for some reason. Anyway episode ends with no. 2-5 ganging up on Teresa who handed them their asses in style. The scene with her sitting in the chair dodging Ilena's speed sword was awesome. I like Priscilla's VA although she sounds more like Yuki from fruit basket with a little bit of Maya from Tenjo Tenge mixed in.

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3653/cm07ae5.th.jpg (http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cm07ae5.jpg)

[Mentar]

Oh wow, that was great.

The only reason why I'm stopping at the 9 was that traditionally, to pull a 10 I demand something particularly outstanding and surprising with tremendous impact, and I'll probably draw it in ep8... but it was already scratching at that in this one too.

What impressed me most was how many new, original shots and angles they found and animated... very stylish. Also, the near-impossible task to capture the intensity of the hi-speed swordfights was done in a very convincing way.

The first one of two budget-killer episodes, done extremely well. On to the climax!

[Edit] One more thing needs to be said. It's a shame... a shame crying to heaven... that Claymore is not aired in proper HD. Once again, the background drawings are _amazing_ in their depth and detail. Absolutely incredible. Why why why are we relegated to blurry lo-res captures which kill most of the effect?

To be honest, if there was a Blu-Ray release of Claymore, this show alone might get me to shell out major bucks to have it.

[Xellos-_^]

There is going to be a lot of budget killing fight scene in this series.

[dutchman]

Saw the raw and I can say only wow.. action packed indeed.

I liked very much the way how they animated the "faster then eye" sword moves of the (single digits) higher level claymores.

The high speed moves they displayed really helped to highlight the fact. That claymores really operate on a whole other dimension then normal humans do, both in speed and power. (normal bystanders were even getting deaf from the high pitch noice caused by the swordblades colliding at incredible speeds)

I gave it a 9 for the same reasons others before me stated. I know this is only the start of the best to come.

So I can't give it a 10 yet otherwise I won't be able to give a higher mark in the upcoming episodes;)

Also I want to praise the VA for Priscillia she sounded exactly like I somehow expected her to sound. (a typical naive young idol) somehow she reminded me a bit of a 'genki' Arika (from Mai Otome).

[wrex_japan]

Ep. 7 screencaps and summary (http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/?p=512) as usual.

Yeah, I gave it a 9 too... but maybe I should've given it a 10... Teresa is so awesome. I hate the Organization for ordering her execution.

[Tempest35]

Wow, Irene looks so much like a Nightelf from from WoW...XD Pwnage abounds. This proves that Old Skool is nearly always the best. :D

[Lost]

...and the problem is to just brace myself for an emotional rollercoster >.<Same here actually, and it has pretty much been the same with the past two episodes, ever since Teresa started kicking Clare around. Nonetheless, I do want to find out how Clare became Claymore, which I hope this arc will shed light on. I'm sure it's not gonna be pleasant tho.

[NoSanninWa]

When did 2ch become a ban site?

I thought the rule was to remove the link after a certain amount of time becuase it will turn into a link of porn

You're right about the rule. Though I'd rather 2ch links weren't used at all since sometimes they get forgotten and go bad.

[Deathkillz]

whow crap what speed @_@ next ep is going to be on hell of a fight while this was just the appetizer if compared...i guess ill be saving my tears for next week then :rolleyes: teresa going SS4 for the first time :3

[Fenrir_valindri]

This episode was great. I was amazed at how well they animated everything in this episode. Cannot wait till next week >.< its almost like waiting for the next volume of the manga, but atleast the wait is shorter :D

[Mentar]

I mean ... I was thinking about it a bit. Isn't it basically unfair to withhold top ratings to those episodes which you know will have the biggest impact? :)

This episode delivered everything you'd want for a top-rating. So I guess I retroactively change my vote to 10, even though I technically can't.

[Mandrake]

Small detail but, did anyone catch the familiar sound when Ilena released her youki in the end of the episode?

a sound from Star Wars, the sound of shooting TIE Fighters

[Fenrir_valindri]

Small detail but, did anyone catch the familiar sound when Ilena released her youki in the end of the episode?

a sound from Star Wars, the sound of shooting TIE Fighters

Yes and I also noticed in That there was very Star War-ish music near the end when Elena first appears infront of Clare :D

[Kabitzin]

Small detail but, did anyone catch the familiar sound when Ilena released her youki in the end of the episode?

a sound from Star Wars, the sound of shooting TIE Fighters

All that was missing was for her to say:

The Force is strong with this one

BTW, are these really even spoilers...?

[StrawHatLuffy23]

The sub is out now.

[Mez]

another very enjoyable episode, animation quality seemed to be better than usual too, and teresa is getting more and more awesome with each episode.

[Kouvley]

Wow, this episode was outstanding.

Loved the introduction of numbers 2-5. I found them all to be quite likeable so hopefully there won't be any casualties next ep although knowing that Claire becomes a Claymore eventually, I don't think it would be that far off the mark to assume Teressa "loses" this battle. :(

[Deathkillz]

Wow, this episode was outstanding.

Loved the introduction of numbers 2-5. I found them all to be quite likeable so hopefully there won't be any casualties next ep although knowing that Claire becomes a Claymore eventually, I don't think it would be that far off the mark to assume Teressa "loses" this battle. :(
but not without taking down numbers 2-5 along with her to hell first :mad: (but ofc teresa is going to heaven ;))

rewatching this ep again its clear as to why teresa is so strong...her ability to sense the yoki means she is able to predict the moves of her enemy...genius!

[HinaThePrince]

Awesome episode. The animation kind of sucked, but it got SO beautiful and powerful during the fighting scenes that I don't care. I mean, I almost felt like I was going to get blown away myself! Teresa and Clare's interaction was as adorable as ever. Man, I forgot they were THIS happy together. D:

The seiyuu choices for everyone were awesome. Ilene, have my babies. ;-; I'd really like to know more about Ilene and Teresa's past, since they seemed like they were friends, but I doubt I'll get to. Shame.

[Claymore_Obsessed]

This episode was great. I was amazed at how well they animated everything in this episode. Cannot wait till next week >.< its almost like waiting for the next volume of the manga, but atleast the wait is shorter :D

Yes, I'm feeling the same.
I finished watching 5 minutes ago and I'm already in withdrawal:heh:

[Xellos-_^]

I mean ... I was thinking about it a bit. Isn't it basically unfair to withhold top ratings to those episodes which you know will have the biggest impact? :)

This episode delivered everything you'd want for a top-rating. So I guess I retroactively change my vote to 10, even though I technically can't.

After thinking about it bit. I am going with agree. If a ep derserve a 10 then a 10 it should have. Just becuase the next ep might be better doesn't meant it shouldn't get a 10 if it derserve it.

So perfect 10 form me for this Ep.

[Mandrake]

All that was missing was for her to say:

The Force is strong with this one

BTW, are these really even spoilers...?



nah, but I didn't reveal it immediatly ...if someone wanted to go check before reading the spoiler:D

[Shiroth]

So perfect 10 form me for this Ep.
Have to agree.

Outstanding episode. The whole of this arc has not let me down at all, still carrying on this epic story. I couldn't believe the level of animation shown in the fight scenes in this episode, Madhouse went OVER THE TOP and beyond with this one.

Have to hate that cliffhanger, though its the best thing to do --- just like two parts to the fight. Can't wait for next week.

[bkg9990]

the fight scene was intense for me... and too fast O_O

Im gonna bet the next episode will gonna be a sad one :(

[Azure King]

Wow i was VERY impress with this episode the amount of effort the anime team put into it, normally you don't get this kind of effects until late in the anime series, lets hope that they haven't blown there budget, becuase i would love to see more of this quality

i give it an 9/10 (10 would be something very special)

[Grey]

Well, well. This episode was thoroughly awesome.

I liked the yoma voices in general--although I must say the creatures couldn't fight worth beans (what on earth were those two doing jumping at Ilena?). The top five Claymores, on the other hand, are true monsters in combat. The style they used to show Ilena's quicksword is something I appreciated.

When the four Claymores release their yoma power at the end, it seemed like they were made especially more intimidating (i.e. demonic and dangerous) than usual. Good stuff.

I'll save the super high scores for other episodes, though.

[Guido]

This has to be now for me the coolest episode so far I have seen.

Teresa is a "black" goddess that owns and pawns everyone, that's a granted. Priscilla is just the heck on the same league to Teresa, but she's still too naive and all white-black, kind of bugging with her friend-of-justice speeches. Teresa works perfectly in her role, because she's in the grey zone and that makes her balanced personality wise.

The more I witness all the clanking, clashing swords and freakish-monster power auras unleashing, the more I come to think that Claymore = Berserk + DBZ.

Or maybe this is more like Berserk gone DBZ, and pretty ironic that I making comparisons to DBZ since the hybrids go ape-shit, Super Saiyan-esque when changing eye colors and releasing their youki aura.

In addition, I felt on Priscilla kind of the "Revenge of the Sith" vibes on her. I mean come on a seemingly innocent hybrid who places trust and idolizes an organization, that's more or less has its black agendas, as an agency of justice and both acts & speaks as a savior of justice how campy can she get to be.

Mark my words that blindfolded attitude of hers would make her go astray into the dark side.
And for the record, I have NEVER ever read the manga in case that statement is an spoiler

[superzombie23]

This episode is definitely worth a 9-9.5/10. Very good animation and very faithful to the manga. Couldn't ask any more from this episode.

[Archmagination2002]

This episode is awsome.. the next episode should be even better though. I actually think that Priscilla releasing her power Yoma power will put her at a disadvantage. Teresa's special ability is reading the flow of Yoma power, but she had a hard time with Priscilla because of that.. now with Priscilla releasing her power makes it much easier for Teresa to face her. Think about how much harder it would be for Teresa to face a Priscilla she couldn't read and 3 who she could.. instead she will face 4 she can read easily.

[Azure King]

i wounder if Teresa will go SS2 ... opps i mean, will use her Yoma powers too :)

[Lumir]

This ep was simply outstanding. The fight scenes were well played, even the style was well animated. It was quite intresting to learn that Teressa's advantage was being a master at detecting the flow of yoma power. This in itself allows her to detect attacks/movements and act accordingly.

As we all saw the 2-5 power up at the end, i think, though Terresa can detect their movements she wont be able to keep up unless she unleashes her own yoma powers. Its going to be intresting. *Gose to watch the ep again*

[4Tran]

I'm very much not an action fan, but I think that this episode was very good. In particular, the banter between Sophia and Noel was very well done and the action sequences had a sense of dynamics that's sort of uncommon nowadays. The new characters work out pretty well. And it comes as no surprise that Hisakawa Aya did an excellent job voicing Priscilla. I even liked Irene even though I'm not particularly fond of her archetype.

I'm still impressed by how much I've been enjoying Claymore despite not being a fan of the genre. (I didn't even like Berserk.)

[Adam E]

I gave this episode a 10/10.

Music was good, animation was great, the fighting scenes were intense. Best episode of Claymore yet. Also, Eclipse did a great job subbing the episode.

[toxic_trance]

MADHOUSE is being top-notch in keeping up with my expectations. The only reason I m giving an 8 for this episode is because i know there will be episodes which will deserve 10 more than this. Its a stupid analogy but i guess if u have read the manga..u cant help but feel like me.

12 volumes have been scantalated. I can assure u, there is not a time it feels boring. As for the anime, till now there has been no complaining point what so ever. Lets hope MADHOUSE keeps the level of work it has been doing.

CLAYMORE FTW ^_^

[Afuro Kamen]

phew, its getting more intense and interesting. this episode totally awesome. Nice fighting sequence.

Madhouse did a nice job when all the four Claymore release their power. Especially Priscilla. The effects was superb, beyond what I've imagined while reading the manga.

And Teresa didn't even release her power yet.

[NoSanninWa]

MADHOUSE is being top-notch in keeping up with my expectations. The only reason I m giving an 8 for this episode is because i know there will be episodes which will deserve 10 more than this. Its a stupid analogy but i guess if u have read the manga..u cant help but feel like me.
Amusing. That makes two people who refused to give this episode a 10 simply because they have already read the manga and feel that if this was a 10, then they'd have to make 10 higher to rate future episodes. :heh:

Now if only these people could find words instead of numbers to express this feeling I'd be much happier. I'm not thrilled watching numerical ratings dumb down conversation in this way. In order to raise the conversational level I'll add that I know what toxic_trance means. So far this show has been exciting and emotionally touching, but it hasn't yet reached the level of the show it is constantly being compared to -- Berserk. If we are going to reach that level of greatness, then we're going to have to change the expectations that make people consider this episode a pinacle. Berserk had many episodes which were as good as this one or better. So obviously, this was not the best possible episode.

Let's not set our sights for greatness as low as this episode provides. Let us wish for even more. Let this be just the first taste of how good Claymore can really be as it continues to improve until the finale.

[Anh_Minh]

I don't really understand all that Berserk love. I couldn't stand to watch more of a few episodes of that, or read more than a few pages (admittedly, I'd probably have given it more of a chance if I hadn't hated the anime).

Claymore, though, I can watch. And read. With great pleasure.

[HinaThePrince]

I haven't watched or read Berserk yet, but I do think that constantly comparing Claymore to it and judging it by Berserk's standards is not only irritating but also pointless. Claymore and Berserk are their own shows. So they both have people with bigass swords killing monsters - just HOW many shounen shows have that?! It's just the basis, Claymore's plot and characters develop their own way, just as Berserk's do.

[Forever]

This episode is awsome.. the next episode should be even better though. I actually think that Priscilla releasing her power Yoma power will put her at a disadvantage. Teresa's special ability is reading the flow of Yoma power, but she had a hard time with Priscilla because of that.. now with Priscilla releasing her power makes it much easier for Teresa to face her. Think about how much harder it would be for Teresa to face a Priscilla she couldn't read and 3 who she could.. instead she will face 4 she can read easily.

In the words of Kenichi, even if you could see the attack, does not mean you could avoid it.

A full power Priscilla will give teresa huge blocking problems. Priscilla's speed is already starting to match teresa. Teresa should have focus on killing 3-5 first to stand a chance. Now her hesitation will definitely cost her life.

[Anh_Minh]

You forget that Teresa hasn't released her power yet either. So it's not like she's come anywhere close to her limits.

[Sorrow-K]

Action packed ep for sure, but I'm not a huge fan of this style of action, where actual fighting is substituted for effects and blur lines and stuff like that. Sort of cheapens the whole thing, IMO. Oh well, I'm not really an action fan to begin with.

The whole ranking system behind the Claymore organization was very shounen-anime-esque, but I did dig the competitive banter between the characters. Unfortunately, that's all there is to these new Claymores so far, rankings and very skeletal personalities and abilities. At least they're not Yoma, but it means that Teresa's antagonists are very flat, which kills a lot of the drama which is supposed to come with the action. I guess in a sense they exist to highlight the difference between the standard Claymore and Teresa with her new outlook on life, but I still object to antagonists that aren't properly fleshed out, just because it's something that really jades me and I always consider the mark of a mediocre action series.

Not as good as last week's ep, but I suppose just like ep 2, this is just a chapter in a much larger story.

[IMSabbel]

I haven't watched or read Berserk yet, but I do think that constantly comparing Claymore to it and judging it by Berserk's standards is not only irritating but also pointless. Claymore and Berserk are their own shows. So they both have people with bigass swords killing monsters - just HOW many shounen shows have that?! It's just the basis, Claymore's plot and characters develop their own way, just as Berserk's do.

Sorry, but you cant say that, because you told us right now you never watched or read berserk (which really isnt something to be proud of, either).
(not that i agree with those comparisons, but your post was also uncalled for (any berserk references in this thread?))

[Scep]

This episode was outstanding. Finally i understand what the people in the old claymore thread meant when they said the story would pick up when the teresa arc came along. This episode was amazing, both in animation quality and in excitement. Its been a long time since i prayed as much for the end of the episode to not be the end XD

[Forever]

You forget that Teresa hasn't released her power yet either. So it's not like she's come anywhere close to her limits.

You and I know she is a goner even if she releases her power. Against all 4 at full power, she is dead (at least thats where the story is going). Dont know how many will she take down with her though.

[TinyRedLeaf]

It was quite intresting to learn that Teressa's advantage was being a master at detecting the flow of yoma power. This in itself allows her to detect attacks/movements and act accordingly.

As we all saw the 2-5 power up at the end, i think, though Terresa can detect their movements she wont be able to keep up unless she unleashes her own yoma powers. Its going to be intresting. *Gose to watch the ep again*

I would think that it's more than just her unparalleled ability to detect the flow of youki that makes Teresa Number One. She is clearly a superior fighter in her own right, capable of outwitting and outmatching even Priscilla, who fights with her youki fully suppressed. Teresa probably lags behind Irene, Sophia and Noel only very slightly in their respective areas of expertise, and makes up for it (and then some) with her own inherent advantage.

Personally? I think it's not just inherent skills that makes Teresa so powerful -- she is quite possibly smarter and far more experienced than all four of the others as well. Four against one? Psh-psh. Don't underestimate Teresa just yet. :D

As for rating this episode, I find myself agreeing Sorrow-K actually. Action alone is not what makes a series great, and while this episode is definitely a good-looker, it lacks the emotional impact of the previous episode, so it's 8/10 from me.

Hmmm....but I highly suspect that the next episode will turn things around though. :)

[Tempest35]

*chuckles* Now I see the 'other side of the fence' in this one. We have gotten a rare look into 'the portrayed villian' side.

Priscilla did remind me a LOT of a lot of the typical shounen hero-esque types. She's young, idealistic, and very strong. So much so that she gets promoted to #2 within just a few months. Typical story arc of most hero types - they become insanely strong within a fraction of the time and they do their best to uphold the 'values' they believe in. Then she was sent after a traitor considered to be the strongest Claymore ever at that time. Heck, she even gave Teresa a 'justice speech'! I was lol'ing for a minute there, especially with Teresa's response back to her, which really made her out to be a villian to Priscilla.

I wasn't really intruguied by Priscilla's character before but this episode really made me think about that little sprite differently.

Irene is a gem. I love her - auto ranking in my book is already top 5. The way she can understand how people work is very good - her perception is top-notch.

[Anh_Minh]

You and I know she is a goner even if she releases her power. Against all 4 at full power, she is dead (at least thats where the story is going). Dont know how many will she take down with her though.

What you and I know is that she's not with Clare anymore. And that Clare became a Claymore.

Irene said it herself. Without Priscilla, no matter how many Claymores they gathered, she wouldn't want to face Theresa. So the only question that remains is "Is Priscilla, with her released power and her three almost negligible allies, good enough to get Theresa?" Answer next episode.

[Child_of_Sierra]

Really good episode. The fights are definitely improving in terms of animation.

What I liked most about it is that Irene (No.2) was very businesslike in her treatment of their mission. She was not about to let the show turn on a 1on1 fight and instead decided that "teamwork" is much better against a strong opponent. What a refreshing idea that is considering this is shounen. (where people are supposed to get cocky thinking that if they just try and persevere then a fight can be won.)
===
(okay, okay that might have been too harsh on the genre or I have been reading/watching all the wrong series until now )

[Mithinco]

Amazing. Their fighting skills are just amazing!

[toxic_trance]

As much as i would love commenting on this thread but i m too scared of revealing spoilers. Anyway..the animation of the fighting is good no doubt...but i want more i guess. Maybe because the manga is filled with it. I think the next episode might fill my appetite. Let us see how they pace the series after that. Because it still doesnt seem that they will be able to complete the series if it is a 26 episode one

[zato_1one]

Irene flash sword is cool. And I really like Irene's surprising face when her flash sword was easily block. She's also one of my favorite because I love elf. :p I wonder how long and when Irene had become Claymore. Her hair is white not blond though.

I felt battle scene was too fast but looked very intense. It was showing that Claymore ability was really superior than human. An introduction of 4 new Claymore was nicely done. The interaction between Noel and Sophia was fun to watch. By the way, Sophia strength was truely immense. She could still hold her sword with one hand even when Teresa was stooding on it.

An outstanding episode indeed but... well. 9/10 :)

The whole ranking system behind the Claymore organization was very shounen-anime-esque, but I did dig the competitive banter between the characters. Unfortunately, that's all there is to these new Claymores so far, rankings and very skeletal personalities and abilities. At least they're not Yoma, but it means that Teresa's antagonists are very flat, which kills a lot of the drama which is supposed to come with the action. I guess in a sense they exist to highlight the difference between the standard Claymore and Teresa with her new outlook on life, but I still object to antagonists that aren't properly fleshed out, just because it's something that really jades me and I always consider the mark of a mediocre action series.
What drama do you expect from this battle anyway? You wouldn't mean you expect a series to introduce all new comers in detail in just 1 episode right?

[piccu]

Another Perfect Ten this week!
I haven't read the manga and *gosh* the suspense is killing me XD
That was an awesome episode, Teresa is the coolest female character I've ever seen. I really can't stop praising Claymore *insert more*

[dutchman]

I watched this ep again and I noticed a very cool moment during the fight between Theresa and Pricillia its around 18.20 time/frame.

You see a sudden movie like slow motion of the action and see Theresa's sword grazing pricillia's cheek accompanied by a nifty soundeffect. Right after that the slow motion changes to real time again and only then you realise how freaking fast they were moving.

This is a way of showing action which you normally encounter a lot in hongkong action movies. They must have really spend quite some budget on this episode.:bow:

[Mentar]

Unfortunately, that's all there is to these new Claymores so far, rankings and very skeletal personalities and abilities. At least they're not Yoma, but it means that Teresa's antagonists are very flat, which kills a lot of the drama which is supposed to come with the action. I guess in a sense they exist to highlight the difference between the standard Claymore and Teresa with her new outlook on life, but I still object to antagonists that aren't properly fleshed out, just because it's something that really jades me and I always consider the mark of a mediocre action series.

Sorry, but I've got to strongly disagree here. I'm not sure whether or not you've read the manga - I assume you haven't, otherwise I'd find your comment completely inexplicable - but the setting is very simple. Claymores 2-5 are summoned to execute Teresa for her transgressions, that's it. In fact, the anime did an excellent job fleshing out a few very distinct characters in only the few minutes they had available. The inexperienced-righteous-idealistic Priscilla, the sober-rational-experienced Irene and the cats-and-dogs pair of Noel (impulsive-excitable) and Sophia (haughty-aloof). These characters are fulfilling a very straightforward function: Kill Teresa. If they had taken 1-2 episodes to flesh them out even more like you seem to demand, it would have been a catastrophic pacing error. It would have killed the storyline momentum and suspense at the same time.

[Deathkillz]

Sorry, but I've got to strongly disagree here. I'm not sure whether or not you've read the manga - I assume you haven't, otherwise I'd find your comment completely inexplicable - but the setting is very simple. Claymores 2-5 are summoned to execute Teresa for her transgressions, that's it. In fact, the anime did an excellent job fleshing out a few very distinct characters in only the few minutes they had available. The inexperienced-righteous-idealistic Priscilla, the sober-rational-experienced Irene and the cats-and-dogs pair of Noel (impulsive-excitable) and Sophia (haughty-aloof). These characters are fulfilling a very straightforward function: Kill Teresa. If they had taken 1-2 episodes to flesh them out even more like you seem to demand, it would have been a catastrophic pacing error. It would have killed the storyline momentum and suspense at the same time.
/agree
with a series like this there just isnt time for too much talk (which would kill any sense of pleasure as it would feel as if things are just being dragged on for the sake of it...) ~ theres isnt a need to know the background of the claymore comming to kill teresa...and tbh what is there to know that we dont already know? the general picture is there...most claymores are just cold killing machines but by no means are they considered "flat" ~ out of the 4 assassins we have 4 distinct characteristics as mentioned above ~

im in love with the series and hope things can only get better :D

[NoSanninWa]

Quite right. I'd expect that if these Claymores 2-5 are going to become more important than just a hit squad then they'll get more personality to match. For now it is actually impressive we understand their personalities as well as we do given so little time.

[Sorrow-K]

What drama do you expect from this battle anyway? You wouldn't mean you expect a series to introduce all new comers in detail in just 1 episode right?

Sorry, but I've got to strongly disagree here. I'm not sure whether or not you've read the manga - I assume you haven't, otherwise I'd find your comment completely inexplicable - but the setting is very simple. Claymores 2-5 are summoned to execute Teresa for her transgressions, that's it. In fact, the anime did an excellent job fleshing out a few very distinct characters in only the few minutes they had available. The inexperienced-righteous-idealistic Priscilla, the sober-rational-experienced Irene and the cats-and-dogs pair of Noel (impulsive-excitable) and Sophia (haughty-aloof). These characters are fulfilling a very straightforward function: Kill Teresa. If they had taken 1-2 episodes to flesh them out even more like you seem to demand, it would have been a catastrophic pacing error. It would have killed the storyline momentum and suspense at the same time.

The problem is that the show has gone from 'gripping character and relationship analysis coupled with great story-telling' in one episode to 'standard action fare' in the next. I mean, I get that these new characters are distinct, but there's very little to them at this stage. They're motivated by a job, have no background and, at this stage, are only really there to provide a conflict for Teresa. I mean, there's no reason why they won't be developed into real characters with proper motivations and emotions down the road, but until they are any fight against them will just be little more than another action scene against a slightly tougher opponent. That just lacks drama, IMO. I'd much prefer fight scenes with complex characters and motivations that aren't totally black-and-white.

And it'd be fair if this were the first fight between them, and Teresa gets away for another conflict down the road. That'd give them time to flesh-out these characters as well as Teresa and Clair. But if they fight again and these antagonists are still as flat, it'd be much harder to forgive.

[LCeh]

The problem is that the show has gone from 'gripping character and relationship analysis coupled with great story-telling' in one episode to 'standard action fare' in the next. I mean, I get that these new characters are distinct, but there's very little to them at this stage. They're motivated by a job, have no background and, at this stage, are only really there to provide a conflict for Teresa. I mean, there's no reason why they won't be developed into real characters with proper motivations and emotions down the road, but until they are any fight against them will just be little more than another action scene against a slightly tougher opponent. That just lacks drama, IMO. I'd much prefer fight scenes with complex characters and motivations that aren't totally black-and-white.

And it'd be fair if this were the first fight between them, and Teresa gets away for another conflict down the road. That'd give them time to flesh-out these characters as well as Teresa and Clair. But if they fight again and these antagonists are still as flat, it'd be much harder to forgive.

I think that in an action series, there will always be highs and lows of story telling and character development. It is not quite possible to achieve constant peaks of both in every episode. Episode 6 was purely a character developing episode with very little action, but episode 7 is more about the story telling. If you are expecting some great character development in every single episode, then this series might not be that enjoyable to you, cause there will be episodes like this where it's more about the story and action than the characters.

But either way, I think Claymore is an exceptional action/shounen series, especially compared to the more current ones.

[Xellos-_^]

The problem is that the show has gone from 'gripping character and relationship analysis coupled with great story-telling' in one episode to 'standard action fare' in the next. I mean, I get that these new characters are distinct, but there's very little to them at this stage. They're motivated by a job, have no background and, at this stage, are only really there to provide a conflict for Teresa. I mean, there's no reason why they won't be developed into real characters with proper motivations and emotions down the road, but until they are any fight against them will just be little more than another action scene against a slightly tougher opponent. That just lacks drama, IMO. I'd much prefer fight scenes with complex characters and motivations that aren't totally black-and-white.

And it'd be fair if this were the first fight between them, and Teresa gets away for another conflict down the road. That'd give them time to flesh-out these characters as well as Teresa and Clair. But if they fight again and these antagonists are still as flat, it'd be much harder to forgive.

If they are canon fodder then there is no need to flesh out thier background and motivation.

if they important recurring characters then we will see more of their background and development of their character.

[Sorrow-K]

If they are canon fodder then there is no need to flesh out thier background and motivation.

if they important recurring characters then we will see more of their background and development of their character.If they are cannon fodder, then that's fair enough. Fights against cannon fodder just bore me, though. It's action for the sake of action, which isn't the reason why I watch series like this.

[4Tran]

I haven't watched or read Berserk yet, but I do think that constantly comparing Claymore to it and judging it by Berserk's standards is not only irritating but also pointless.
Anh_Minh and I haven't done this in this thread. True, we brought up Berserk, but only to point out that even though we're not fans of it, we still like Claymore. Effectively, we're pointing out that these two shows work quite differently despite their apparent similarities.

Action packed ep for sure, but I'm not a huge fan of this style of action, where actual fighting is substituted for effects and blur lines and stuff like that. Sort of cheapens the whole thing, IMO. Oh well, I'm not really an action fan to begin with.
I sort of agree with this. I'm not too fond of the style of direction wherein a lot of still frames and implied motion is used to substitute actually animating a fight sequence. This (and poor choreography) are largely the reasons why I'm not much of an action fan anymore. In Claymore episode 6, I think that the creators did a relatively decent job of working around the limitations of the style, so it's a bit more entertaining than most action sequences of this nature.

Priscilla did remind me a LOT of a lot of the typical shounen hero-esque types. She's young, idealistic, and very strong. So much so that she gets promoted to #2 within just a few months. Typical story arc of most hero types - they become insanely strong within a fraction of the time and they do their best to uphold the 'values' they believe in. Then she was sent after a traitor considered to be the strongest Claymore ever at that time. Heck, she even gave Teresa a 'justice speech'! I was lol'ing for a minute there, especially with Teresa's response back to her, which really made her out to be a villian to Priscilla.
This is a very good point. In most shows, Priscilla's attitude would be a major advantage (and sometimes the shounen fighting protagonist's only real merit). Here, it feels more as if she will either have to change to become more accomodating, or her fanaticism will lead her to a very bad end.

What I liked most about it is that Irene (No.2) was very businesslike in her treatment of their mission. She was not about to let the show turn on a 1on1 fight and instead decided that "teamwork" is much better against a strong opponent. What a refreshing idea that is considering this is shounen. (where people are supposed to get cocky thinking that if they just try and persevere then a fight can be won.)
I feel as if it's slightly mocking other shounen action shows: "What kind of fool sits around taking on the bad guy in one on one fights when you have a numerical advantage? Doesn't it make more sense to take her on all at once?" :)

[Grey]

If they are cannon fodder, then that's fair enough. Fights against cannon fodder just bore me, though. It's action for the sake of action, which isn't the reason why I watch series like this.No no, it's the yoma who are cannon fodder. Teresa vs. #2-#5 is more like a boss battle. And if some of #2-#5 seem a bit weak or undeveloped...well, not everyone can be the over-powered and recurring arch-rival, after all.

As for it being action for the sake of action...I'm not quite sure what you mean. The conflict clearly follows from Teresa's conduct. Moreover, the series features people raised and altered to fight monsters, so combat is going to be a major part of the story. Heck, I'd say that 65% of the series takes place in a combat situation, and 35% is a lead-up to a combat situation.

[TinyRedLeaf]

You see a sudden movie like slow motion of the action and see Theresa's sword grazing pricillia's cheek accompanied by a nifty soundeffect. Right after that the slow motion changes to real time again and only then you realise how freaking fast they were moving.

This is a way of showing action which you normally encounter a lot in hongkong action movies. They must have really spend quite some budget on this episode.

Interesting that you should compare the action with HK-style slo-mo action. That may in fact partly explain why I'm not particularly "wowed" by the action in this episode. It's a matter of personal taste really, rather than a direct criticism of the action cheoragraphy in this episode.

The predominant trend in most HK-style action films nowadays is towards flashy, over-the-top "wire-fu", vs authentic martial arts combat. The last movie I've seen that featured true martial arts was Huo Yuanjia, purportedly Jet Li's "last" martial-arts film.

Sure, the Claymores move at superhuman speeds, and are capable of superhuman feats of strength and agility. But on-screen, all I see are blurs of "super-fast" animation, which in my opinion, cheapens the action actually. I don't "see" the skill, if you get what I mean. What I see instead, is lots of special effects.

Don't get me wrong -- the action as presented in this episode is well done, or I wouldn't have rated Episode 7 highly at all. But, frankly, this is not the kind of action that excites me at all. What I'd really like to see are battles of skills and tactical wits. More brains than brawns, if you will. :)

[grss1982]

I think the manga readers should put those guys above -- who are talking about priscila's future role in the series -- out of thier misery.

OK i'm through with my RANT. :D

Nice episode, BTW. Hope the anime gets better and better. :-)

On another note, has it been really confirmed that this anime will only run for 26 episodes?

[Negativedark]

Well comparing the amount of Manga they can adapt into each episode of the anime, 26 could get them pretty well caught up, and then they would have to stop. Claymore is a monthly, so it would be impossible to continue with a weekly anime. Wonder if they'll do the now standerd Hot Springs filler episode?

[TinyRedLeaf]

Oooh yes! Hot springs for the win! It wouldn't be shounen anime without it.

Plus, we get to finally see what's so gross about Claymore bodies....... :eyespin:

[Zu Ra]

Out of all the episodes of Claymore I have watched this one was the best by far . Ilena stole the show from the Gorilla and the Monkey . Yes the Yoma were cannon fodder , they themselves say it even a single one of them could have handled it easily . Once again thanks to Eclipse for bringing out quality subs and fast .

[Lendial]

what an incredible ep, this single ep has been more exciting than 4 weeks worth of naruto and 2 weeks of bleach. it kinda looks like the girls are about to go bankai or something.

[Zu Ra]

I do second what you said . Just the intro of Ilena and Co. stole the show from Bleach and Naruto hands down. Also the pacing is very good you never feel the show is dragging on : )

[Tempest35]

So I'm not alone in wanting to see that. :D :D

As for battles with more skill and wits...I'd say you'd have to be pretty skillful to stop someone who is known as 'Flash Sword Irene' even after you'd let her build momentum. And what's not skillful and witty about Teresa realizing in mid-battle that while Priscilla's Youki-hiding ability was superb that her overall sword skill was far lower than Irene's and using that to gain an advantage quickly enough to end what would have been a really bad fight for her.

And Irene's battle sense is top notch, berating Priscilla for trying to settle an execution of an extrememly powerful fighter one-on-one she knows personally can outdo the entire Claymore organization any day of the week. Priscilla was far too idealistic to have been put in that sort of position in the first place (fault: Org).

[Zu Ra]

On a sidenote regarding comparisions Ilena's entry even beats Gai's Dynamic Entry (Naruto) :heh:

[P.G.]

I was impressed seeing this episode, Priscilla & Teressa were awesome, and yes, I feel like DBZ too since those two were pawning each other with light speed & causing their surroundings to crumble.

[Fenrir_valindri]

DBZ comparisons are inevitable in shonen.

DBZ is kind of the grandfather of shonen after all, so comparisons between it and other shonen are easy to make. Atleast they are not flying and throwing energy blasts at each other from long range, while blowing up planets, not to mention wasting episodes upon episodes of charging there "last remaning strength" :p

I actually thought they did a rather impressive job considering how little there is to animate when going from panels to animation.
This style is easily one of the more common animation styles for high speed fighting after all. I do hope we will see less of it in the future, but I realy do not demerit them for using it at all.

Someone mentioned being disappointed in the lack of development for the new characters. I believe this is a bit unfair in all honesty, they were just introduced after all, and they have already shown more personality then Adult Clare did in the first 2 episodes of this series.

Not every character introduced can be a major one, I would put most of these new claymore's in the same character catagory as Galk from episode 3-4, they get some minor development so they are not just faceless people to us, but at the same time they are not rolling out the red-carpet of main-character-ism for most of them either.

On a final note; I did find it amusing that Priscilla is the arctypical shonen hero type, her black and white out look on life is obviously going to cause her trouble in the very grey world of Claymore.

Edit: one last thing, people should keep in mind this kind of fighting is to represent the immense speed and power of the top 3 Claymores in this episode (Teresa, Priscilla, and (Flash-Sword) Irene) notice that 3-4 (oops ment 4-5 :p) do not move the same way that these three do, that is probably because the top 3 really are that much faster, although with them releasing their Yoma power they might start moving that quickly as well.

My hope is, we are basically seeing some of the strongest people in this series fight atm, so it is possible that once this flash-back is over, that we will be back to Clare, who's fighting speed is displayed in episode 3-4 against the humans and Big-Yoma, bit then again, maybe not ;)

[Kabitzin]

If they are cannon fodder, then that's fair enough. Fights against cannon fodder just bore me, though. It's action for the sake of action, which isn't the reason why I watch series like this.

It's funny how the Yoma don't get any screen time anymore (though you are talking about scrub Claymore in this case). Previously the Yoma would have plans and fight moves and all that. Now you just see a spray of purple blood and they kinda fall to the floor in 2 pieces.

I give it 2 more episodes before we simply get Yoma Death Stock Footage :D .

[Fenrir_valindri]

It's funny how the Yoma don't get any screen time anymore (though you are talking about scrub Claymore in this case). Previously the Yoma would have plans and fight moves and all that. Now you just see a spray of purple blood and they kinda fall to the floor in 2 pieces.

I give it 2 more episodes before we simply get Yoma Death Stock Footage :D .

Not to suprising when you consider the power that the Claymore's that they are fighting wield. I mean 1-5? they are pretty boned :D

[Mentar]

The problem is that the show has gone from 'gripping character and relationship analysis coupled with great story-telling' in one episode to 'standard action fare' in the next. I mean, I get that these new characters are distinct, but there's very little to them at this stage. They're motivated by a job, have no background and, at this stage, are only really there to provide a conflict for Teresa.

With all due respect, isn't that a little bit oblivious? After two character-development and drama-centric episodes, we now had _one_ action-centric episode, which was STILL strong in character development. This is a shonen action drama, so better get used to the idea that there WILL be action. Unlike most other shows of this genre, it's still woven into the overall storyline very well. Numbers 2-5 already ARE distinct (I'm glad we agree there), but of course they don't have the same depth as the main characters. OF COURSE NOT. The only possibility to introduce them more would be to deviate from the main story even more than just the Yoma hunt, and that simply would have killed the pacing and momentum.

I mean, there's no reason why they won't be developed into real characters with proper motivations and emotions down the road, but until they are any fight against them will just be little more than another action scene against a slightly tougher opponent. That just lacks drama, IMO. I'd much prefer fight scenes with complex characters and motivations that aren't totally black-and-white.

And they aren't. Numbers 2-5 have some very differing motivations to go. Priscilla for idealism, Irene for sober "carry out the job", Noel for the challenge... so who is black and who is white? Are 2-5 bad for abiding by the organization rules? Is Teresa bad for defying them?

No, the strength of Claymore is exactly that it's NOT black-and-white. There are no universally good or bad guys. Since I'd say you're one of the most clear-eyed reviewers on this board, I'm a bit puzzled that you seem to disagree here ^_^;

And it'd be fair if this were the first fight between them, and Teresa gets away for another conflict down the road. That'd give them time to flesh-out these characters as well as Teresa and Clair. But if they fight again and these antagonists are still as flat, it'd be much harder to forgive.

There's absolutely nothing to "forgive" in the first place. Also, you better keep something else in mind: This isn't standard shonen fare which has the old fight-lose-train-get-stronger-fight-win setup. In Claymore, when you lose, you don't get a pat on the back, a silver medal and "come back when you're stronger". Losses count, and you usually do NOT return anymore...

[dutchman]

Interesting that you should compare the action with HK-style slo-mo action. That may in fact partly explain why I'm not particularly "wowed" by the action in this episode. It's a matter of personal taste really, rather than a direct criticism of the action cheoragraphy in this episode.

The predominant trend in most HK-style action films nowadays is towards flashy, over-the-top "wire-fu", vs authentic martial arts combat. The last movie I've seen that featured true martial arts was Huo Yuanjia, purportedly Jet Li's "last" martial-arts film.

Sure, the Claymores move at superhuman speeds, and are capable of superhuman feats of strength and agility. But on-screen, all I see are blurs of "super-fast" animation, which in my opinion, cheapens the action actually. I don't "see" the skill, if you get what I mean. What I see instead, is lots of special effects.

Don't get me wrong -- the action as presented in this episode is well done, or I wouldn't have rated Episode 7 highly at all. But, frankly, this is not the kind of action that excites me at all. What I'd really like to see are battles of skills and tactical wits. More brains than brawns, if you will. :)


I know what you mean and I do agree on most of the points.

However don't lose sight of the fact that this is an TV anime with an limited budget. To really pull of what you suggest is basically a frame for frame drawn out fighting sequence. Which would probably blow up their budget.

Another alternative is going full CGI like for example 'final fantasy advent children' or James Cameron upcoming CGI project of 'Battle Angel Alita'. However Claymore is currently not (yet) popular enough to justify such huge amounts of capital by an studio like 'Madhouse'.

Also both you and I agree on the fact that the claymores fight at superhuman speeds and strenght. If you watch at modern Kendo and fencing matches most of the untrained people cannot even properly follow when someone scores a hit without the modern help aids like flashing signals and electronic registration.

So having plp fight at 5-6 times the speed of olympic fencer. I am not sure if that is even very exiting. Because the normal human eye can't even keep up.

So I don't mind them using the blurring techniques to give us somehow the illusion/impression of how an fight at supersonic speeds would look.

And the specific frame I mentioned gave me a nice impression of speed you see an slow motion attack and then bam! Suddenly an abrupt switch to 'normal' speed.

I hope anything I said made sense if not just forget about it :heh:

[chrry370]

I loved this episode and i have to do admit it was action packed. But it was cool! Teresa sure showed no 2-5 that she's no 1! Although i have to say i was very worrited that Priscilla would actually beat her....

Irene's character intro also had my attention...love her too!

I have a very bad feeling...but Teresa's story seem to be ending soon... (NOO!!! I LOVE TERESA! :frustrated: )

I just can't believe a wonderful character is coming to an end...and NO i haven't read the manga! Just a bad feeling i have...

Going over to a corner to sob :sad:

9/10 i gave this one...

[zato_1one]

Well, this kind of story is very common in shonen series. Protagonist breaks the rule or do something wrong then new characters are sent to hunt and punish him/her.

At first they just take their own role. Fight to protect one's life or fight because of duty. But after fought each other about 1-3 times, they became more intimate. And eventually become close friend or may be a rival. During that process a series will gradually reveal more background for those new comers. It's a common way to introduce new character in shonen series. Fight before talk.

Man, do you even care who is Ikkaku when he first encounter with Ichigo? Claymore is also a shonen series but it has its own style. You will discover it soon. And I think that this episode also has a slight character development. But I don't even want to mention it because it can lead to spoiler.

Don't forget that this is just a flashback arc. If you really want drama, Claymore can serve it but it may not full your appetite.

[Lost]

I wouldn't give this episode a 10, or even a 9. It was good, yes, but not awesome or outstanding. It is the same with almost every Claymore episode to date, from my point of view. I echo Sorrow_K's words :

Action packed ep for sure, but I'm not a huge fan of this style of action, where actual fighting is substituted for effects and blur lines and stuff like that. Sort of cheapens the whole thing, IMO. Oh well, I'm not really an action fan to begin with.
What I did like, as Mentar states one page before, is how they fleshed out Claymores 2 thru 5. I found Priscilla's character rather interesting and amusing; a fresh change/contrast to the rest of the hardened Claymores. I thought it was a pity that Teresa didn't try to explain the issue fully to Priscilla. I hope to see Teresa in Yoma mode.

[Deathkillz]

^ she has too if she doesnt want her head to fall onto the floor O.o
i for one really liked all the fancy effects in this ep...super sonic speed and awesome movements is my kinda thing for situations like these to show the l33tness of the top claymores :p

but as i say again we dont really need to know Priscilla that much cause she is going to die in the end (or i hope so for a double knockout situation :p)

i wonder if they are going to show how clare becomes a claymore :rolleyes:

[Shiroth]

i wonder if they are going to show how clare becomes a claymore
Doesn't the name for the next episode give it away?

[Deathkillz]

"awakening" doesnt have to mean clare...it could mean teresa turning on her demon mode :3

[cors8]

"awakening" doesnt have to mean clare...it could mean teresa turning on her demon mode :3

Well if you watch the ED closely, the sword in the ground, with Clare facing away from it, has Teresa's symbol on it.... least I think it's her symbol.

[yononaka]

I thought it was a pity that Teresa didn't try to explain the issue fully to Priscilla.

This may be more appropriate for the ep. 6 thread, but I guess since this episode continues to deal with the repercussions...

I'm not sure what she was supposed to explain. "See, Priscilla, the Organization is wrong. If you find a person you care about, you should be allowed to kill anyone who threatens that person, including humans. Forget the fact that you could just easily knock bad people like robbers out in a flash, tie them up, and let the authorities deal with them. If you feel like it, you should just go ahead and kill them. It's good to have unsupervised eventually-to-be-turned-into-a-youma running around, killing anyone they think deserves to die."

OK, this may have been a bit over the top :heh: , but I am nevertheless surprised that no one (that I've seen, might have missed it) had any problem whatsoever with Theresa's style of vigilante justice. I know we're supposed to support her because she's "cool" and, well, we're just plain set up to root for her, but I don't think the Organization's policy automatically makes them the villains in this situation. It's not that I'm necessarily advocating an instant death sentence for a single offense, but the Organization may have pretty good reasons to nip these kinds of problems in the bud, considering who (plural) they're dealing with, and what relaxation of discipline could potentially bring with it. After all, they don't know that Theresa won't continue killing people as she pleases, and as a clearly identifiable "silver-eyed witch", such actions would have repercussions for the organization all such people are known to belong to.

As much as I like Theresa, she didn't have to kill those robbers. Not with her superior abilities. She did it because she wanted to do it.

Besides, I like 2-5 and this gave them a good excuse to show up and really kick ass :D (as opposed to just casually mowing through some youma).

[Grey]

As much as I like Theresa, she didn't have to kill those robbers. Not with her superior abilities. She did it because she wanted to do it.You're right. She could have just taken Clare, and let the bandits continue ransacking the village. Or she could have knocked them all out, and left so that they could finish ransacking the village a few hours later when they woke up. She might even search enough rope to tie up a couple dozen bandits, so that they might have to spend an extra hour trying to release themselves.

What I'm saying is that it's not clear the Organization cares a whit about bandits. It may be that they're a strict mercenary group, offering assistance by killing Yoma--if they're paid--and doing nothing more. And since the location was apparently a remote mountain village, it's not clear there were any authorities to deal with the issue.

Yes, the bandits ticked Teresa off, and she killed them all. But it's not clear that not killing them is much better.

[yononaka]

What I'm saying is that it's not clear the Organization cares a whit about bandits. It may be that they're a strict mercenary group, offering assistance by killing Yoma--if they're paid--and doing nothing more. And since the location was apparently a remote mountain village, it's not clear there were any authorities to deal with the issue.

Yes, the bandits ticked Teresa off, and she killed them all. But it's not clear that not killing them is much better.
So far I haven't seen that the Org doesn't allow Claymores to take care of law-enforcement problems if and when they aren't otherwise engaged. They are, however, strictly forbidden to kill people. Unless you think that Theresa had no other viable way to neutralize the robbers, I'm not sure I undestand your point. IMHO she had options other than killing available to her, and still chose to kill. From the Org's point of view, I can see how that could be seen as a big problem.

(BTW, if, as you say, the bandits hadn't finished ransacking the village, knocking them out would have given the remaining villagers the opportunity to deal with them as they saw fit. Including killing them, if there were no authorities to turn to. Per the rules we've heard, I doubt Theresa would have been penalized for that.)

[orion]

So far I haven't seen that the Org doesn't allow Claymores to take care of law-enforcement problems if and when they aren't otherwise engaged. They are, however, strictly forbidden to kill people. Unless you think that Theresa had no other viable way to neutralize the robbers, I'm not sure I undestand your point. IMHO she had options other than killing available to her, and still chose to kill. From the Org's point of view, I can see how that could be seen as a big problem.

(BTW, if, as you say, the bandits hadn't finished ransacking the village, knocking them out would have given the remaining villagers the opportunity to deal with them as they saw fit. Including killing them, if there were no authorities to turn to. Per the rules we've heard, I doubt Theresa would have been penalized for that.)

Yep, Teresa could have done anything to stop them as long as those bandits survived her actions. She amputated one of the bandit's hands and the organization didn't care. She went over the top when she killed them.

[HinaThePrince]

For all those who're saying "But Teresa could've knocked them out and call the other village people" or whatever - yes, in theory she could have, but she obviously wasn't thinking clearly that time so you can't really expect her to act logically. Plus, Teresa isn't a saint. It'd be completely out of character for her to always do what's right. So yeah, she could've just knocked them up. Yeah, Clare could have not become a Claymore. But then we'd have boring characters, and most importantly, no plot.

[Defiled one]

It was the heat of the moment that caused her to kill. She found Clare in that state and she "clicked"

[Grey]

So far I haven't seen that the Org doesn't allow Claymores to take care of law-enforcement problems if and when they aren't otherwise engaged. They are, however, strictly forbidden to kill people. Unless you think that Theresa had no other viable way to neutralize the robbers, I'm not sure I undestand your point. IMHO she had options other than killing available to her, and still chose to kill. From the Org's point of view, I can see how that could be seen as a big problem.My objection was to your characterization of her actions as "vigilante" justice, the subjectivization of her action as "her judgment on who deserved to die", and how these two relate to the state of local authority. Also, relevant was your statement that you didn't see how Teresa could excuse her actions to Priscilla.

For instance, you stated that Teresa didn't have to kill the bandits. I was pointing out that, in the Claymore world, there may be no over-arching authority to deal with the bandits. And--as you say--we've seen no indication regarding the Organization's policies on these issues (e.g. they may ignore the bandits). Furthermore, as you also noted, it was not clear to what extent the village was wiped out, so the local authority may have been non-existent too. And if these things were the case, then anything short of killing the bandits would have done nothing to stop them.

(BTW, if, as you say, the bandits hadn't finished ransacking the village, knocking them out would have given the remaining villagers the opportunity to deal with them as they saw fit. Including killing them, if there were no authorities to turn to. Per the rules we've heard, I doubt Theresa would have been penalized for that.)That would be more prudent, certainly, but does letting the survivors kill the people who just ransacked their village really count as "justice by the authorities" rather than "vigilante justice" or just plain "revenge"? And if the villagers would kill them for their crimes--what, is a remote mountain village going to let them go, or imprison them?--then Teresa's actions are hardly "killing anyone she thinks deserves to die". If there's no difference in the end result, nor in the authority of those who execute the bandits, then Teresa committing the deed isn't very condemnable.

Also, the Organization's rule sounds like BS, and Teresa could have said that as well. I mean what, if the Organization offered to hunt down [human] bandits as part of their services--are the villages who are preyed upon by those bandits going to stop trusting the Organization? Because those Claymores are killing [human] bandits (bandits who clearly are willing to destroy their entire village)? Ridiculous.

Certainly Teresa's actions were rash and imprudent, and broke an Organization rule. But to characterize her actions as merely "killing anyone she thinks deserves to die", or "anyone who threatens Clare" is mistaken. That she killed the bandits I might even say is only imprudent, and only because the Organization would hunt her down. And if that's the only condemnation of her action, then I see little problem.

[Anh_Minh]

The rule isn't about moral, as such. It's to reassure human that Claymores, though half-yoma, are on the side of the humans.

It's like the Aes Sedai's three oaths in the Wheel of Time series. It's a concession to the fear normal people feel when meeting Claymores.

[Deathkillz]

*sigh* they could have just kept things *hush hush* right after teresa destroyed those bandits...it wasnt like there was anyone left alive anyway besides clare so what the devil doesnt know wont hurt her :rolleyes:

[Anh_Minh]

There were the surviving villagers.

[yononaka]

@Grey

I still don't know what you're complaining about, especially since you seem to be assuming that I personally am condemning Theresa for her actions whereas I'm trying to take a perspective the Organization might have. You can't use "maybe"s and "what if"s on your side and disallow me the use of the same. Mainly what I'm talking about is that:

1. Theresa kills people (although there are other options). Excusable. Forgivable. Good, even.
2. The Organization executes their rule (which may have reasons behind it). Inexcusable. Unforgivable. Evil, even.

is simplistic reasoning and predicated on Theresa being a protagonist and likable to us. If it's a grey world, shouldn't it also be grey as far as judging the Organization goes (based on the anime only so far)?

@HinaThePrince

I'm not expecting Theresa to be a saint. Unless you think that knocking people out so that they could be killed by someone other than you and you'd get off on a technicality is saintly :) Doing something callous like that would seem pretty fitting with some of the personality she'd shown earlier. I'm not sure how that would make Theresa a more boring character, either. It's just more emotionally appealing to us to see her snap and do an, in the end, imprudent thing for her situation.

[Child_of_Sierra]

If the org wanted to reassure people about Teresa's punishment they should have done so in plain view of a lot of people. As it is, her execution site was out of sight and the rumor of claymores killing humans would still prevail. Relating that to this episode it seems foolish to have an all out fight in a town full of humans. Specially when normal attacks of Priscilla can break the ground like that.
(friendly fire anyone?).

[IMSabbel]

My guess is that the "no killing" rule doesnt have _anything_ to do with the prestige of the organisation in the eyes of the commoners... If yoma start eating your children, you WILL call them.

No, i guess to rule has something to do with the half-yoma nature of claymores. Maybe killing humans has been shown to trigger yoma urges in other claymores in the past?

[yononaka]

My guess is that the "no killing" rule doesnt have _anything_ to do with the prestige of the organisation in the eyes of the commoners... If yoma start eating your children, you WILL call them.

No, i guess to rule has something to do with the half-yoma nature of claymores. Maybe killing humans has been shown to trigger yoma urges in other claymores in the past?

I'm not sure if I'd say "anything" for the first part, but yes, the second idea is part of what I had in mind before with my "may have pretty good reasons to nip these kinds of problems in the bud, considering who (plural) they're dealing with"; but I guess I should have been clearer. Thanks for bringing this up.

[Grey]

@Grey

I still don't know what you're complaining about, especially since you seem to be assuming that I personally am condemning Theresa for her actions whereas I'm trying to take a perspective the Organization might have. You can't use "maybe"s and "what if"s on your side and disallow me the use of the same.Sigh. Alright, let me sum up. You said you didn't know what Teresa could tell Priscilla to excuse her actions. I then explained how Teresa's actions could be seen as not especially condemnable. In addition, I pointed out that we lacked certain information regarding the Claymore world, and that these unknown variables may further weigh in Teresa's favor. In other words, I was pointing out factors that clearly point to a possible explanation Teresa could give Priscilla. Something more reasonable than your imagined explanation.

[cajunman380]

My two cents into the matter.

Some people are criticizing thresas actions, but then we have to remember that the bandits are no better than her. They pretty much slaughtered the entire village. Killed innocent defenseless people, and who knows how many other villages or towns they have raided previously. If there were any survivors and they saw what theresa did, they would have supported her actions 100%. Those bandits were pretty nuch asking for it. Provoking her to a boiling point. They were pretty much pusing their luck with the rule which clearly has so many flaws in it its not funny. I would think the organization would have made some concessions given these types of circumstances. But the fact that they dont is a clear sign they dont really care.

Could thresa have dismembered them, yes? but would it have stopped them? whats to prevent them from killing their own comrades and blaming her anyway. or worse yet take revenge upon her and clare when they least expect it. Or worse yet inform a rival claymore about her weakness for clare and use that against her in the future. Plus lets not forget the fact that she was PISSED AS HELL. A normal human reaction when the very bandits who she met previously and were aware of her pretty much did everything in their power to cause their own demise.

The place was a remote mountain village i doubt anyone would have found out what had happened until days or even weeks later whyich by that time the bandits would have escaped and caused more damage. The world is comprised of self contained towns and aside from claymores there doesnt seem to be a major police force for each town (a world map would sure be nice at this point)

Was the organization fair? I think not. Theresa may have killed humans but there were extenuating circumstances. I believe they should have punished her somewhat. but given her rank and accomplishments i think they shoudnt be so quick to judge. Once again i just think the rule doesnt allow one to see the massive grey area that exists in the world of claymore. Wheter its intentional on the orgs part well have to see.

As for theresa and Priscilla. Theresa pretty much said the very best argument agianst a rookie idealistic kid. The ideals she held may be nice in theory but in the real world it doesnt work out that way. In other words the only way she owuld truly understand is for her to experience it herself. Ohterwise anything theresa said would have bounced off her. Plus her main goal was to stay alive for clares sake not to turn people over for her cause.

anyways. my two cents

[7thFonon]

Teresa's the only one who made any sense at all, she killed to protect a human. That is her job, and it was the bandits' who killed an entire village of humans, if anything, Teresa saved people who would have been killed in the future.

and I know she will probably die soon, but I hope Teresa at least beats these three.

[cors8]

The point of the bandits was to show that humans can be even worse than youma. At least youma kill for food while humans kill for the sake of killing.

[NezoR]

The point of the bandits was to show that humans can be even worse than youma. At least youma kill for food while humans kill for the sake of killing.

Indeed, but humans are far weaker than Claymores. For a Claymore (who is part human) to kill humans sets a very dangerous precedent (imagine what those bandits could have done if they were all Claymores). IMO, it makes perfect sense for the organization to send someone to kill Teresa.

[cors8]

Indeed, but humans are far weaker than Claymores. For a Claymore (who is part human) to kill humans sets a very dangerous precedent (imagine what those bandits could have done if they were all Claymores). IMO, it makes perfect sense for the organization to send someone to kill Teresa.

I think it's has to do with the shady dealings of the organization itself. If it let's Claymores kill humans for doing horrible things, then the organization may end up facing the Claymores' wrath down the line.

[NezoR]

I think it's has to do with the shady dealings of the organization itself. If it let's Claymores kill humans for doing horrible things, then the organization may end up facing the Claymores' wrath down the line.

You have a good point, but you must also remember that Teresa committed mass murder. No one that powerful that kills so many should be allowed to walk free. Yes, the organization is "shady", but again it makes perfect sense to put Teresa to death.

[orion]

But the human world is gray also. With Teresa's speed and strength, she could have mopped the floor with those bandits and not kill them. She can take off a limb here and there. As long as they didn't die, no one was going to complain. But instead, she killed them all.

Killing was stepping over the line. Sad to say it. She blew it big time imo.

[Deathkillz]

You have a good point, but you must also remember that Teresa committed mass murder. No one that powerful that kills so many should be allowed to walk free. Yes, the organization is "shady", but again it makes perfect sense to put Teresa to death.
but as teresa put is "these guys are lower than youma" then its like taking them down to a even insignificant level of the food chain...the problem here is the iron rule of the organisation...there was a perfectly good reason to kill those scum bags but it is overlooked as it doesnt matter that a crime has happened ~ all that matters and is of concern is for the claymores to mind their own business...teresa snapped hard but the main blame has to be put onto her developing emotions...claymores are after all half human so it cant be helped >.< i can see clare doing to same as well...

but in the end i still think that teresa should have been give a special case...she clearly tried to protect a human even if it ment killing others :heh: (but meh thats how the story goes :3)

[Archmagination2002]

Sigh... guys you are forgetting that this is set in the Middle Ages time. There is no police force(Unless you count the Holy City soldiers).. every town and village is self contained. The closest thing to a government is actually the Claymore Organization and the only thing they are interested in is killing Yoma for money. I think there are 2 main reasons why there is no real kingdom/government
1)Claymore Organization
2)Yoma's.

Now that we got that out of the way.. I approve of what Teresa did to those bandits.. she really had 3 choices..

1)Stand by and do nothing
2)Kill them all and save the surviving villiagers
3)Incapacitate them and leave it to the surviving villagers to do with them what the will

#1 wasn't an option with because of Clare, #3 wasn't a very good option either.. most if not all of the men would have already been killed by the bandits leaving the woman(who were raped or were going to be raped). They would have also killed or sold the kids into slavery. Sorry but I would have choosen option #2 as well.. those bandits deserved to die.

[Anh_Minh]

Rationally, #3 was the best option. It not like the women would have had any trouble finishing off bandits who were lacking all their limbs.

But Theresa had been repeatedly provoked. It's understandable why she didn't react fully rationally.

[yononaka]

Sigh. Alright, let me sum up. You said you didn't know what Teresa could tell Priscilla to excuse her actions. I then explained how Teresa's actions could be seen as not especially condemnable. In addition, I pointed out that we lacked certain information regarding the Claymore world, and that these unknown variables may further weigh in Teresa's favor. In other words, I was pointing out factors that clearly point to a possible explanation Teresa could give Priscilla. Something more reasonable than your imagined explanation.

Huh? It's quite a stretch to represent what I said as me not knowing what Theresa could tell Priscilla to excuse herself... :confused:

My point was that most people are jumping in to excuse her, without giving a whole lot of consideration to the other side. The reason I kept telling you that I didn't see what you were getting at is that I'd already considered those kinds of arguments before making my first post (they aren't so hard to come up with, I don't know why you seem to think it would be news to me), and IMHO they are not as exonerating as some people seem to think. All I can say is that if I were Priscilla, an Organization faithful, your argument would not convince me to abandon the execution.



And to those who say the bandits "had it coming" or "deserved to die" -- IMHO as far as what I've been saying is concerned, that is irrelevant. I doubt anyone thinks they weren't lowlives.

[IMSabbel]

Again something about the theresa-pricilla situation:

Pricilla is young, idealistic, confident in her abilities and about to put a murderer to the sword. How would _any_ kind of explanation in such an -at swordpoint- situation convince her of the opposite?

I am _so_ sick of anime where some quick words turn around alignments better than a year of brainwashing.

OF COURSE the criminal will claim that "it was a complicated situation" or something. Who in the right mind would listen to that kind of talk in a life-or-dead situation?

[LCeh]

All I can say is that if I were Priscilla, an Organization faithful, your argument would not convince me to abandon the execution.

I don't think Teresa was trying to convince Priscilla to abandon the execution at all. She knows why they are after her, she knows that she broke the rule, and so they should be after her. That is why she didn't bother to give a better explanation.

[yononaka]

I don't think Teresa was trying to convince Priscilla to abandon the execution at all. She knows why they are after her, she knows that she broke the rule, and so they should be after her. That is why she didn't bother to give a better explanation.
Sure, plus she doesn't seem like the type that would make excuses in any case.

[7thFonon]

Priscilla should be on Teresa's side if she wants to do the right thing though, I mean the Organization has weird rules....Protect humans....but if a band of 8 humans kill about 100 innocent ones, you cannot help.

But yeah, Priscilla won't change her mind as it is already shown that she is dumb/stubborn......The girl's head is about to get chopped off, and was barely rescued and then she says that she wants to fight Teresa one on one.

[Tempest35]

Priscilla was the most 'pure' Claymore, especially being just a rookie promoted to #2 in only a few months. She hadn't seen enough of the world or felt the full weight of the stigma attatched to being a Claymore yet. Everything was for the good of humans in defending them against Youma. she probably felt that her strength came from her belief that what she was doing was right and that nothing could dissuade that. As Teresa hinted at - she saw the world in black and white.

Teresa told her a very honest truth - the world isn't black and white. Teresa knew that Priscilla was just a child in that respect and treated her as such - a very dangerous child. Irene probably understood Teresa best out of everyone there and while she herself wouldn't care if a Claymore like Teresa chopped up some bandits to use as bait, she was very focused on her job. She already knew the world wasn't black & white but she wasn't suppose to care about that so she didn't.

[joshualimm]

I don't believe the organisation is there to protect people. It's more like a business. Each village is required to pay for their service. And like any private organisation/business, it's up to them to specify their own rules, and not killing humans is one of those rules. Unfortunately for the Claymores, they owe their lives to the organisation. So instead of getting fired, they get executed if they disobey the rules. I think the rules are not there to protect humans. Instead, it's there to protect the organisation's arse.

Just like those shops out there where you can rent electronics devices. If an electronic device does not do what it's supposed to do, it's either repaired, discarded or sold for parts. Even if there's a top-renting item in the store, if it's "damaged", it will be replaced. In the case of Claymores, they're treated pretty much the same way. It's objectification I tell you! Objectification of hu-you-mans!!!! Oh my poor Clare and Teresa!!! can't bear to watch the next eipsode!!

[Anh_Minh]

Just because they ask for money doesn't mean they aren't there to protect people. Making Claymores looks like an expensive business.

For that matter, cops, firefighters, medics and so on - they all get paid.

[Defiled one]

Youmas are in charge of killing humans not Claymores, even if Teresa said it as a joke, I think there is something a little weird in her assumption of the order sending Youmas in to villages that don`t pay.

[Grey]

Huh? It's quite a stretch to represent what I said as me not knowing what Theresa could tell Priscilla to excuse herself... :confused: My point was that most people are jumping in to excuse her, without giving a whole lot of consideration to the other side. The reason I kept telling you that I didn't see what you were getting at is that I'd already considered those kinds of arguments before making my first post (they aren't so hard to come up with, I don't know why you seem to think it would be news to me), and IMHO they are not as exonerating as some people seem to think.What. Alright, referencing your original post...
I thought it was a pity that Teresa didn't try to explain the issue fully to Priscilla.I'm not sure what she was supposed to explain. "See, Priscilla, the Organization is wrong. If you find a person you care about, you should be allowed to kill anyone who threatens that person, including humans. Forget the fact that you could just easily knock bad people like robbers out in a flash, tie them up, and let the authorities deal with them. If you feel like it, you should just go ahead and kill them. It's good to have unsupervised eventually-to-be-turned-into-a-youma running around, killing anyone they think deserves to die."

OK, this may have been a bit over the top :heh:This explanation is not one that suggests you grasped possible semi-plausible explanations. And you further claimed that you weren't sure what she was supposed to explain. This, I reason, could be concluded as not being able to come up with an interpretation that excused Teresa's actions.

All I can say is that if I were Priscilla, an Organization faithful, your argument would not convince me to abandon the execution.And to those who say the bandits "had it coming" or "deserved to die" -- IMHO as far as what I've been saying is concerned, that is irrelevant. I doubt anyone thinks they weren't lowlives.Ah, well. That depends on the type of idealism Priscilla possesses, and how well indoctrinated she has been. If one assumes that Priscilla is really an "Organization faithful" archetype, then it may well be than no explanation--however reasonable--would excuse Teresa's conduct in Priscilla's eyes. Or if one assumes that the author wants Teresa and Priscilla to fight and not reconcile, then it may once again be that no excuse would be deemed acceptable by Priscilla. In a railroad plot headed towards "Priscilla-and-Teresa-Fight" Town, of course no excuse would be accepted.

Of course, I was not assuming such things, because I would have otherwise immediately agreed with you. However, since this was based in speculation about an alternative (i.e. what if Teresa explained herself to Priscilla), I presumed a non-deterministic Claymore world to make the alternative viable. And in the non-deterministic world, Priscilla doesn't have her character fully fleshed out, and it may well be that some explanations would have been persuasive to her. As some have mentioned, Priscilla seems akin to a the idealistic shounen protagonist--such generic idealism could certainly be amenable to Teresa's explanations.

[ArmisaelXVIII]

I also think that the rule about not killing humans may have another purposes. It really doesn't matter if people fear claymore, and even if that rule exist, most villagers still fear claymores...

Think about youmas like beings that are more motivated by instincts... In a zoo, a circus, or even in the wild, when a carnivorous animal like a lion kill people they are hunted down because once they do it once, they used to kill people... to the taste of human blood and flesh...

Teresa also said something about losing herself... and when she "wake up" she's already killed them. Killing humans (youma's natural prey) could have a stronger effect than just releasing their youma powers, making their instincs grow stronger faster...

By the way, I supose that the 'awakening' refers to losing control over your youma-self. But in the episode entitled "Clare's Awakening", she really doesn't lose herself... May be awakening could mean to gain full control over your youma-self...

[Manatsu]

Well I think Claymores are so powerful that it be disastrous if one or more turn against the Organization. So it's also in their best interest that any Claymore who broke their rules be executed without trial in the hands of other Claymores no less. That would drive a message into all Claymores to know their place. With that said, a rigid system like this might have it's flaw though, ever heard that a dog in desperation will leap over a wall?

[7thFonon]

And Teresa is the dog?

[yononaka]

What. Alright, referencing your original post...
This explanation is not one that suggests you grasped possible semi-plausible explanations. And you further claimed that you weren't sure what she was supposed to explain. This, I reason, could be concluded as not being able to come up with an interpretation that excused Teresa's actions.
Are you serious? I guess I wasn't over the top sarcastic enough if you thought that was what I'd actually have Theresa say. I thought it was pretty obvious that the lines I gave Theresa were more like what her opponent(s) could bring up in case she made the types of excuses you later listed. It would have been a waste of time for me to list these excuses myself, because they were implicit in how people were quickly taking Theresa's side.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't have a problem with you listing these reasons, it was just difficult to understand why you kept addressing them to me.

As far as Priscilla goes, I don't agree with your (apparent) assumption that if Priscilla were less idealistic/indoctrinated, she would most likely have to acquit Theresa based on these excuses. I think (at least for now in terms of the anime) there are viable reasons for a reasonable person to side with the rule. The reason I addressed Lost's point was not because it would be impossible to imagine Priscilla being swayed by Theresa's potential arguments; it's because I thought the view that such excuses may not be sufficient (on the whole, not just in terms of Priscilla's mentality) wasn't being represented in the discussion.

[Negativedark]

Well as Teresa said, she compleatly lost her head, and by the time she cooled down all the bandits were dead. She wasn't thinking calmly enough to just chop off limbs, she wanted them dead. It was something more primal than justice that motivated her, it was her love for Claire, and that also drives her to continue living. And even if Teresa had spared the bandits they wouldn't have been long for this world. Either the angry townspeaple would have killed them in revenge, while they were incapacitated, or in whatever crippled state she left them in, the local governing body would have caught them. And considering the setting then the bandits would probably have been executed, in a way ranging from relitivly pleasent, like hanging, to something like drawing and quartering.

[Seska]

Teresa, has learned something. What we every day learns...

Emotions.

Emotions, can be happy/Love/friendly (light side) feelings, but it can be Hate/Envy/Angry feelings.... Emotions is a double sword, you have to keep them in check.

Teresa, has lose in this second to the dark side of the force, like the young Anakin Skywalker in part 4?. Taking revenge and slain all bandits. Even Womans and children of them ...

And a important cause, emotions give her a Human heart.....

[Fenrir_valindri]

I do not believe there were any women or children with the bandits fyi :D

In all honesty, if you replaced Teresa with a normal human and she did the same thing, her crime would be the same. She still needlessly killed a large group of people she did not have to.
I believe Murder 2 to be exact, Crime of passion or something like that.
You cannot realy use self-defense as an arguement either, most of the bandits were not willing to fight her after she killed their leader, infact they were running away.

BUT

I believe what Teresa ment when she stated "That is not how the real world works...little girl." She was just trying to impart some small part of her wisdom to the younger (and idealistic) Priscilla. She wanted Priscilla to prepare herself for a world were her idealism would most likely be shattered.

All in all the next episode is sure going to be interesting :heh:

[Anh_Minh]

They were still armed criminals resisting arrest!

[Wosho128]

Teresa told her a very honest truth - the world isn't black and white.

That's the line that made this episode for me.

"Things don't work so ideally in this world, little girl."

Teresa realized that things don't always go by the textbook and that she must create her own path when others aren't available to her.

This is exactly why I like Teresa; she is the epitome of what it means to be an individual. She's going against the grain to fulfill what she feels is necessary or a cognitive "right" in her mind.

[Amirali]

Good action episode...........and I liked the new characters introduced as well. However, seeing the uberness of these gals makes clare seem really weak. Even that weak yoma back in episode two was able to rip a hole in clare's guts after she threw her sword away. Somehow, I don't see the likes of Teresa(or even the other 4 of the top 5) letting themselves get hurt against a single yoma that easily, with or without their claymore at easy reach.

Also, not to mention how badly clare gets ripped up in episodes 3 and 4.......even though her opponent was a comparatively higher ranking yoma. I haven't read the manga, but maybe the whole point is to show clare "powering up" as the series goes on.

[Negativedark]

They were still armed criminals resisting arrest!

Actually that in some ways isn't to far off. What Teresa did isn't too far from an old western, where the protagonist would walk into town, and bloodily gun down the entire gang. I doubt anyone but the organization is particurly disturbed by what Teresa did. To much of the world at large what Teresa did would be a good thing, killing a bunch of murderers and rapists, who quite frankly deserved it. It reminds me of a line someone on another forum said about the current Increadible Hulk storyline "Anywhere else but on modern earth Hulks morality would be perfectly justified." In many times and places what Teresa did would be seen as a noble act of heroism. I may not agree with killing people left and right, and it was an act of passion, but what Teresa did was not entirly a bad thing.

[Tempest35]

Now we are judging Teresa's moral desicion to kill bandits...? :heh:

I suppose that if she had just killed the one (Arm-kun)who had beat little Clare up, that in itself would have been 'justified' to everyone, no questions asked. Quite frankly, he deserved it. So to was the bandit leader who tried the very insane idea to take her head-to-head, but on a lesser degree...

The other bandits I see as being collateral. She knew that even if she just killed Arm-kun, she'd be hunted down and executed. Hell, she's the #1 Claymore, if she's gonna defect, why not do it with a bang? Go on, take out an entire motly crew of bandits. If you're gonna die, might as well be for something big? I'd hate it even more if Teresa was being pursued to be executed just because of Armless. A group of bandits seems a little more 'execution' worthy, if that makes sense.

[IMSabbel]

Good action episode...........and I liked the new characters introduced as well. However, seeing the uberness of these gals makes clare seem really weak. Even that weak yoma back in episode two was able to rip a hole in clare's guts after she threw her sword away. Somehow, I don't see the likes of Teresa(or even the other 4 of the top 5) letting themselves get hurt against a single yoma that easily, with or without their claymore at easy reach.


You know, thats one of the things the flashback is supposed to do.
Those are the best of the best claymores. It shows the contrast between them an a "notmal" one like clare...

[Sinestra]

I found Priscilla very innocent and also very naive. She sees the world in black and white and Teresa told her quite bluntly the world is not like that. The other Claymores seemed more intrested in ranking than anything else and i found their banter quite funny, they may be Claymores but they acted just like little teenage girls. The fight between the Priscilla and Teresa was pretty decent. But the level of skill vs a vertern fighter was obvious. Great potential will never replace experience in the field. I get the feeling things leading up to how Claire becomes a Claymore her self is going to be very interesting and also how and when Teresa is finally defeated

[Deathkillz]

^ true about battle experience but given time i can say that Priscilla can become stronger than teresa...thats why it would be better for teresa if she killed Priscilla before she becomes a major pain in the ass...as for Priscilla's view on the world...thats pretty much her own downfall as it doesnt seem that she is able to "think" for herself :/

[orion]

^ true about battle experience but given time i can say that Priscilla can become stronger than teresa...thats why it would be better for teresa if she killed Priscilla before she becomes a major pain in the ass...as for Priscilla's view on the world...thats pretty much her own downfall as it doesnt seem that she is able to "think" for herself :/


That's exactly what makes Priscilla a good story. If only we had an OVA just for Priscilla. :sad:

Priscilla's story is prob as good as Clare's so far imo. Idealism meets reality with the consequences always makes such a good drama imo.

[lenneal]

Tersa was amazing in that fight becuz she could take on all 4 of them even thought priscilla is very expericence for a beginner u just can't stack up to the
fight style that tersa has though ep 8 is gunna probaly be when it ends and who.....survives