Claymore - Episode 8 Discussion / Poll

[Pellissier]

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[Defiled one]

Oh gawd ;_* worth it! It was worth it! God, Pricilla ;_;

[IMSabbel]

Seems the changed at least some details of the fight ( ._+)...

[Defiled one]

Oh Gawd Im still oh Gwad and oh Gwad ;_# after seeing it.

[dutchman]

Oh Gawd Im still oh Gwad and oh Gwad ;_# after seeing it.

Dont make me cry while waiting :p

[SimplyEd]

Oh Gawd Im still oh Gwad and oh Gwad ;_# after seeing it.


Now that brings back memories..°.°

[Fenrir_valindri]

Think I am developing a twitch waiting for screen Caps and RAWs lol

[IMSabbel]

God, i havent been hunting after a series like this since last exile and hikaru no go...

Seems like the initial fears that they may tone down the brutatilty were a bit premature...

[Defiled one]

I could give you a simple picture....wait for a while.

Very violent I might warn you.
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/894/1179856354848cn4.jpg http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/9348/picqe3.jpg http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6962/pic1jd9.jpg

[Fenrir_valindri]

Wow
Right in the face :P Guess they decided to up the cringe level this episode :uhoh:

[zato_1one]

*0* Oh my...

Just only saw your screen shot, I can rate this to 10/10.

Can't WAIT!!!

[dutchman]

I could give you a simple picture....wait for a while.

Very violent I might warn you.
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/894/1179856354848cn4.jpg http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/9348/picqe3.jpg http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6962/pic1jd9.jpg

H'm thats much more graphical then in the manga. It makes me cringe just to watch. In most other action shows the characters just say after a beating down " ah it was nothing just a minor flesh wound". :twitch:

I am speechless must get my hand on a raw.

[cyoti]

Was this in the manga?

[NoSanninWa]

I've been waiting for this episode since the Claymore anime was announced. It's going to be a long hard day until the fansub is released. Ah what the heck, I've already read the manga; maybe I'll just get the raw this time. ;)

Was this in the manga?I haven't seen the episode yet, but if you're gaping in shock at the story, then the answer is probably yes. If you're referring to the pictures above? Just not as graphically.

[IMSabbel]

Yeah, just as i posted in the other thread:
THAT was the point when the manga went from "ok, quite nice" to "I WANT THE NEXT VOLUME _NOW_".
And it never stopped being that way every since :)

[Deathkillz]

thats a new one...you mean the series actually toned it up more than the manga...nice change indeed...

*looks at spoiler*

OMG! O__o

[Child_of_Sierra]

guess they finally went all out with the gore then? this battle seems to take place in a considerably lighted environment too as opposed to most fights before (based on those pics you posted)

[Negativedark]

Was this in the manga?

No. In the manga Noel and Sophia were killed by bieng impaled in the chest, and it was far less graphic. I think that in some ways changing it was a good idea, as how they died in the manga, really didn't seem to bad, since Claire took similer wounds in the cathereal fight.
This episode, was story wise, for the overall plot of Claymore one of the most important parts EVER. Now we know what it is that drives Claire.

[IMSabbel]

Also about the same scene
Its now less ambiguous. There is no doubt that they are killed, while in the manga you could just overlook the quick panel of them getting hit

[hi no ken Jebus]

Wow the moments leading up to Priscilla's awakening were awesome as was when she fully transformed. I feel Teresa got robbed considering how she dies but her ass kicking campaign had to end sometime I guess. Overall the best scene was Clare running to her head and hugging it. Well it's back to the present next week with more Claymores showing up.

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7876/cm08pg5.th.jpg (http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cm08pg5.jpg)

[Xellos-_^]

Wow the moments leading up to Priscilla's awakening were awesome as was when she fully transformed. I feel Teresa got robbed considering how she dies but her ass kicking campaign had to end sometime I guess. Overall the best scene was Clare running to her head and hugging it. Well it's back to the present next week with more Claymores showing up.

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/7876/cm08pg5.th.jpg (http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cm08pg5.jpg)

I had to read that scene over twice when ireading the manga to make sure i didn't miss anything.

[Key Board]

That was.... phenomenal

my only complaint is they ran out of time and had to cut the most awesome ending scene to a story arc ever

hopefully they will go over it the next episode or I will have to hurt someone

[orion]

I could give you a simple picture....wait for a while.

Very violent I might warn you.
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/894/1179856354848cn4.jpg http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/9348/picqe3.jpg http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6962/pic1jd9.jpg


Poor Priscilla. :sad:

Waiting for the raw is torture.

[zoozoc]

wow, that sure sucks for the organization. Though i have a feeling this kind of thing happens quite a bit, or at least has happened sometime in the past.

[wrex_japan]

Poor Priscilla. :sad:

Waiting for the raw is torture.

I wouldn't say 'poor Priscilla'... I'd say, "poor Teresa..."

Ep. 8 Screencaps and summary. (http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/?p=520)

I'd give this a 10 if it weren't for what happened to Teresa... but I guess it was inevitable... T_T

It was quite graphic and violent... very surprising... and shocking.

[The-Ghost]

one word: WOW.

that had to be one of the best eps of claymore ever

[RaphaYagami]

Hmm... 8 really has become an interesting number for the greatest episodes this season... at least for both G-L and Claymore.

[Tempest35]

This show deserves its own primetime slot. The animation studio is really pulling out all its stops for this series.
Teresa-sama with the golden eyes...*melts*




MIRIA-SAAAAAN~ *glomp* HELEN~!!! *glomp glomp* DENEVE~!*iz stabbed*

[Zeluch]

Wow, I haven't been this emotionally affected by an anime for quite some time. I knew this was coming but I didn't expect it to turn out this way. Truly amazing, I guess that's really all I can say.

Yes, and Teresa WAS robbed. What an awful way of getting killed off. I feel so bad for her and Clare. After the beginning of the episode I had a glint of hope that things might be able to go on a bit longer between Clare and Teresa - but after the awakening by Priscilla I really started to have my doubts. I'll probably be thinking about this episode for awhile.. I really loved Teresa's character. (T_T)

Well It's back to studying I suppose. Perfect episode IMO.

I honestly don't think any episode from here on could even hope to top this. If by chance one does, I'll be glady surprised. I knew there was very something special about this show, and this week proves it to me. I hope you all feel the same way about it. =)

[dutchman]

Noooooo.... Teresa.. gah:upset:

Now I know again why I have read the manga volume when Teresa died only 1 times! I frig... hated the lame unfair way Teresa got done in.

And seeing it in the anime makes it even a ten fold worse.

[Hahiru]

Noooooo.... Teresa.. gah:upset:

Even though I gave the episode a 10, I couldn't bring my self to watch it again :upset: (at least until the subs come out).

[NoSanninWa]

It seems that this episode ends just before the end of the manga chapter and several people wanted to discuss what happened next in the manga. I understand the temptation, but please don't do this. I hate banning anyone for such little things, but this thread really is supposed to be 100% free of spoilers. The event being discussed may very well happen at the beginning of episode 9 or maybe it will be saved for later. In any case, it really is a spoiler to discuss it here.

[Varis]

oh wow, I'm glad I started watching this series. I was not very convinced at first because the emo kid annoyed me.
Once the Teresa arc came along though I was nothing but impressed.
Makes sense now why Claire bothered with that boy.

What a cheap shot though. Teresa just barely used her eyes (and looks incredible with them) and was still beating that monster Priscilla.
So Priscilla resorted to crying and looking helpless to get Teresa to drop her guard.
I bet if Teresa kept her eyes up, she would have been able to react.


Sigh, there goes my favorite character. I like Claire but she has a long way to go.

[zato_1one]

WOW! just WOW!

I usually vote after watch sub version. But in this case, there is no need to wait for that.

Perfect 10 :D sigh, can I vote 11?

[Cats]

Well that was bloody.
What did they say Pricella turned into.
I don't think she turned into a Yoma.

[Deathkillz]

OMFG!!! how can this happen??? :twitch:
too fast...it was just too fast...teresa!!! ;_____; :sad:

teresa is a goddess...she took on all 4 claymores who went youma mode even without releasing her powers...and for her to die because Priscilla played dirty is unforgivable...she a fricking monster!!!

well at least we know whos the final boss now...clare go get your revenge!!! T__T

spoilerific pics ~
last chancehttp://img412.imageshack.us/img412/7844/snapshot20070523105509nt4.th.jpg (http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20070523105509nt4.jpg) http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1148/snapshot20070523105517fy2.th.jpg (http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20070523105517fy2.jpg)

best ep ever filled with heart pains...>__< ~ whats up with this week...first its gurren lagann now this...i cant take much more grr...

[toxic_trance]

man..i wish i had half the will power of Clare...i have read the manga..so i thought i will be able to keep myself away from the thread....but i guess i was fooling myself. And now seeing all the reviews..i think i might just awaken with all this frustration building upon me. Oh Eclipse..when shall u release thee..

Neway..i guess this episode will convince people that Claymore just aint about gore but also a LOT OF EMOTIONS.

[t3ck]

The way Teresa got killed was so fast... too fast... I couldn't even react! I was like WTF!? when she got her head slash off! This part of the story is just awesome. The impact it had on me is huge. I just couldn't believe my eye when i read it (yea I was a manga reader but still...). And the best thing is, it reveals the main focus for the rest of the story. What do you call Priscilla & co.? The awakens?

[Archmagination2002]

The way Teresa got killed was so fast... too fast... I couldn't even react! I was like WTF!? when she got her head slash off! This part of the story is just awesome. The impact it had on me is huge. I just couldn't believe my eye when i read it (yea I was a manga reader but still...). And the best thing is, it reveals the main focus for the rest of the story. What do you call Priscilla & co.? The awakens?

What Priscilla turned into is a Voracious Eater(To the Claymore Clients) Internally the Organization calls them Awakened Ones because they are Claymores who have gone over their power limit and awakened into Powerful Yoma's.

[Mentar]

I feel good that I was reluctant to pass out 10s the episodes before, because in compensation, now I won't have any qualms pulling it (something I've done a total of 5 times in the entire past), even though the episode wasn't QUITE perfect in some aspects.

Problem 1: A slightly strange choice of soundtrack every once in a while. For example the relatively happy tune when Teresa was about to execute Priscilla felt really really off...

Problem 2: The "flash sword" animation only looks appropriate when it's matched by the opponent. If the animation looks as if Teresa is simply holding her sword as a passive block, it sounds and looks a little bit silly.

Problem 3: The swordfight on the roof looked only funny to me. Budget saving done wrong ^_^;

Problem 4: I don't wanna be smacked by NSW, so I'll just say that they stopped the episode at the wrong scene. There is a totally vital key scene which finally completes the circle of the flashback and which must NOT be omitted. I hope we'll see it right at the beginning of the next episode.

But overall, it was an amazing execution of Claymore's key episode. There are so few animes which do a conversion well enough to fully satisfy the fans. I am. In fact, some parts of the fighting were simply superior in the anime. For example I considered it a hoot when Teresa was playing soccer with Noel once again ^_^


Madhouse, I salute thee!

[Shiori-chan]

one word for this episode: WOW

[livs20]

this episode is the best but i'm a little sad that teresa had to die :(

[Lemartes]

man, how sober and undramatically Teresa got killed. It kinda caught me off guard.
But then again, that's one of the strong points of claymore. No endless talk and heoric fighting/dying. Just plain and simple battles.

I don't understand what Priscilla talked about, since I don't understand japanese. So I'll have to delay my final judgement. However my first impression of her is "I don't like this cocky bitch".
She is a total sucker in my opinion. Hopefully she will get killed! =(

[Mez]

uhh wow. although i had predicted there was a strong possiblity of it happening, it was really looking good for teresa for awhile, so i got my hopes up. then out of nowhere, bam. very shocking and surprising. there goes my favourite character :/

[GriS]

like most of the above, I kind of expect teresa to get killed, but what I did not expect is how she is killed! all of the sudden, her hands are simply chopped off in one flash, and beheaded in a sec. Just when I thought teresa will end priscilla so supposed suffering, it is reversed, producing a huge impact and caught me off guarded.

Kudos to madhouse for the impressive execution

edit: huge failure for the organisation .. instead of teresa's death, we have top 4 claymore killed and even worst of all, an awakened priscilla...

[Deathkillz]

like most of the above, I kind of expect teresa to get killed, but what I did not expect is how she is killed! all of the sudden, her hands are simply chopped off in one flash, and beheaded in a sec.
couldnt agree more ~ i expected teresa to die but this was just unfair...a warrior should die in battle...not getting backstabbed from the shadows...im still shocked at how her hands got taken off so quicky...she didnt have time to react ;__; i hope clare makes priscilla pay a million times over for what she did T.T

[Wosho128]

No. NO! I WON"T ACCEPT THAT!

Why? Teresa was so awesome! My eyes couldn't believe what happened on screen! The directors cut off the sentimental music and then there is a quick transition to Teresa's hands being cut off then the head. It happened in all one quick motion! My poor Teresa. ;_;

This episode was emotionally draining. I might take another day off of school because of today's episode. (/Kidding) But this episode was excellent. Claymore is definitely this season's best IMO. Every episode has been animated with disgusting detail. The script, story and characterization have been almost flawless in my eyes. This will be my number one anime if the quality keeps up.

[Kouvley]

What an episode!

I had expected Teresa to lose and probably die but the way it actually happened shocked and suprised me completely. Just as a glimmer of hope crept into my mind that Teresa might actually survive then BAM - it's over. Poor Teresa indeed. T_T

Priscilla's full transformation and the masacre of the other claymores was also unexpected, I had thought they might be the ones to have taken Claire in to become a claymore after Teresa's inevitable defeat and perhaps appear in the present day as mentor type characters. :heh:

Judging from the preview, looks like we will be introduced to a new cast of claymores.:)

Overall this flashback arc has been near flawless, we now know Claire's motivation for becoming a claymore is probably to avenge Teresa but is that her only reason?

Can't wait for more.

[Anime Online]

What the hell, for all her supposed ability, Teresa could only make a baffled expression before Priscillia killed her. Even Irene put up more of a fight.

Teresa being the best there is but still caught off-guard? Isn't she able to sense the flow of yoki energy? Bah, I feel so cheated. Damn the mangaka for hyping up Teresa's powers and then giving her such a stupid death.

Oh well, we move back to present-day Clare next episode.

[Defiled one]

Priscilla, the Antagonist. Yep, she can´t be ranked as an evil villain though.

[t3ck]

Problem 4: I don't wanna be smacked by NSW, so I'll just say that they stopped the episode at the wrong scene. There is a totally vital key scene which finally completes the circle of the flashback and which must NOT be omitted. I hope we'll see it right at the beginning of the next episode.

But overall, it was an amazing execution of Claymore's key episode. There are so few animes which do a conversion well enough to fully satisfy the fans. I am. In fact, some parts of the fighting were simply superior in the anime. For example I considered it a hoot when Teresa was playing soccer with Noel once again ^_^


Agree wholeheartedly on this two points. I thought it would be great to end at what we think should be (erm.. spoiler so...) ^^;

As for her death I don't think it's stupid. Teresa have changed after Clare's tag along, like how she spare Priscilla's life the first time. When she was going to behead Priscilla, instead of being the ruthless Teresa that don't give a damn about others, she pity her. Letting down her guard and just wanted to end Pris's suffering. And we know what happens next. I thought it was pretty reasonable (to me at least) and although shocking none the less, I really like how the mangaka put at end to Teresa and unfold the rest of the story.

[Kabitzin]

man, how sober and undramatically Teresa got killed. It kinda caught me off guard.
But then again, that's one of the strong points of claymore. No endless talk and heoric fighting/dying. Just plain and simple battles.

This is pretty much how it happened in the manga as well. It was a very "huh, what? WHAT??? NOOOOOOO!!!!!" depiction, and it looks like the anime has carried that over.

The shots in the anime of the eye skewers remind me of A Christmas Story. Shoulda worn safety goggles!

[cors8]

What the hell, for all her supposed ability, Teresa could only make a baffled expression before Priscillia killed her. Even Irene put up more of a fight.

Teresa being the best there is but still caught off-guard? Isn't she able to sense the flow of yoki energy? Bah, I feel so cheated. Damn the mangaka for hyping up Teresa's powers and then giving her such a stupid death.

Oh well, we move back to present-day Clare next episode.

Well that just goes to show how powerful Priscilla was in her awakening. After all, Priscilla had the potential to surpass Teresa anyway.

[Defiled one]

It was too much energy swinging in every direction. Theresa was unfortunate.

Priscilla just lost control.... ;_; Poor girl.

[darky]

Man after watching it I can't stop crying and I'm crying while writing now

why ?? why have Teresa die ??

I didn't get the chance to see her demonic transformation and her -naked body-

I'm so deperate right now

[Guido]

For some reason after watching all the blood and gore for this episode I am feeling hungry.:heh:

Some human entrails, anyone?:heh:

[Souten no Seigyoku]

Im confused. Teressa named the girl Claire. It seems she knows Claire the Claymore and named the girl after her. After she broke the rule, I figured theyd send Claire the Claymore after her and there'd be a claire v raki philosophical debate/conflict. Hence the obvious naming and whatnot.

But now I dont know what the heck is going on. Is this a flashback to before Claire was a Claymore? Is Claire the girl, Claire the claymore?

[toxic_trance]

Well...finally..the moment is here..which made me cry when i read the manga and go one whole week with a pissed off mood. Awesomely made episode...truly deserves a 10...even if better episodes may come. No matter how many times i see the scene where Teresa was killed by that cheap shot from that bi*** Priscilla, I just cant help but being over come by this extreme sad and painful feeling

I guess this episode decides who stay hooked on to the series and who dont. Those who didnt give up till now on this series will definitely realise how beautiful of a series this has a potential of. Hope MADHOUSE continues its brilliant job.

PS: The Yoma Priscilla's voice was a bit irritating, but i really dont care about her. Priscilla has always pissed me off neway.

FAREWELL to Teresa of The Faint Smile. Not once did u show the ugly face. You will always remember a Beauty for Eternity...cyonara

[LCeh]

What a powerful episode. You could really feel the bond between Teresa and Clare in this episode. I gotta say this was quite well done, though that's not to say that there weren't flaws, but then some parts were just done so well that I just have to hand it to Madhouse.

As a manga reader, even already knowing what was happening, I was still holding my breath during the second half of the episode, and when the inevitable happened, I was still shocked by it.

The anime also did a really good job on depicting just how much more powerful Priscilla was than your average everyday claymore. Only Teresa could have matched her, and the others were disposed in a matter of seconds, even though they were the higher single digit ranked claymores.

[whitepearl]

Rated this a 10.

The scene at the end with Clare was very sad...really hated seeing Teresa go like that.

[ImClueless]

What a great episode. I totally expected Teresa to survive up until the very end. Totally a WTF moment for me. I haven't read the manga, but is Priscilla gonna be the final boss monster that Claire will have to take on?

[Mentar]

Im confused. Teressa named the girl Claire. It seems she knows Claire the Claymore and named the girl after her. After she broke the rule, I figured theyd send Claire the Claymore after her and there'd be a claire v raki philosophical debate/conflict. Hence the obvious naming and whatnot.

But now I dont know what the heck is going on. Is this a flashback to before Claire was a Claymore? Is Claire the girl, Claire the claymore?

You mean, you didn't realize?

All this was a flashback. The Claymore Clare roaming around with Raki in the present is the very same Clare who Teresa took under her wing in the past. See the preview: "The same girl is wielding a sword now".

The most part of her motivation should be obvious by now, but I won't go into details, because a total key scene will hopefully follow at the beginning of the next ep... and explain what happened until "today".

[Deathkillz]

What a great episode. I totally expected Teresa to survive up until the very end. Totally a WTF moment for me. I haven't read the manga, but is Priscilla gonna be the final boss monster that Claire will have to take on?
seems like it...and i think that we can expect an epix struggle for survival when goes up against such a monster...and i dont think she can ever get as strong as teresa so some tricks is needed to take out this bit*h :mad:

[Souten no Seigyoku]

No I Honestly did not realize. Remember, flashbacks are always given in a way that the viewer automatically knows its a flahsback. They gave no clue that this was a flashback. Other than the Claire name.

I assumed Teressa knew Claire the claymore and named the girl Claire as an homage. Figured the Teressa/Claire the claymore relationship was similar to the Claire the claymore/ other claymore she killed relationship. After the 4 top claymores were beaten, they'd send Claire the claymore with another group (showed in the openning creds) to kill the overpowered Teressa. Philosophical conflict would ensue as per usual in anime (similar to the Priscilla philosophical conflict). Plus the usual "weaker character becomes progressively stronger throughout series until they can beat the main villan" schtick.

I was way WAY off...

So I guess instead its: Claire is saved by Teressa. Then Teressa is killed and Claire turns into a claymore for revenge eh? Then she takes Raki as a companion similar to how Teressa took her in. Only question here is whether shes as strong or stronger than Teressa is. Which I doubt, since then it'd be a question of find & kill instead of overcome unsurmountable odds and kill the unkillable villan

[HinaThePrince]

This episode was actually kind of "meh" for me. I could hardly relate or even pity Prissyface with that voice, even when she said her father killed her family etc etc.
In the manga I could really feel Clare's shock when Teresa got killed in a split-second before her eyes - in the anime, not really. It was probably because of the art. One of the things I like best about Yagi's art is the way he masters facial expressions, and that's pretty much lost in the anime. Also, one of Clare's eyes was quivering and the other wasn't, and that was retarded.
Clare's monologue about not being reflected in Prissyface's eyes was dropped out, which is a shame because I loved it and I think it was very important.

Good parts: the battles, the part where Teresa got her head cut off, the part where Clare's vision was blurring [brilliant directing IMO] and when she hugged Teresa's severed head. Awakened Prissyface's voice was really kind of sexy.

Anyway, this one gets a 7.

[Fenrir_valindri]

Ah, as I thought, the Priscilla hate is rampent :p

To be honest I feel sorry for Priscilla as well, like Clare said, they are not able to control themselves when their power goes over the limit. So I believe it is quite possible that Priscilla was simply no longer in control, and the Yoma half had simply taken over.

I remember reading this in the manga, it was a tear-jerking moment for me :heh:
Priscilla was obviously mentally unstable, and Teresa had obviously gone soft, so she unfortunately let her guard down.

Heh sympathy for the devil I suppose you could call it :D

On another note

I was quite upset that they did not have the final scene at the end, like the others I hope that it is at the start of the next episode.

Edit:
I kinda agree with the above poster on certain points, alot of reasonably important lines were ommited, and Partially Awakened Priscilla's voice made it hard to sympathize with her.
Some of the tension was lost from the manga, but it was still overall quite good imo

Another Edit:
I recall someone saying Teresa should have been able to react with her power, keep in mind that the power is only realy as good as your reflex time, and the point of the Scene was partially to show that Priscilla's speed had surpassed even Teresa's ability to counter it.

[Xellos-_^]

On another note

I was quite upset that they did not have the final scene at the end, like the others I hope that it is at the start of the next episode.




I don't think we will see that scene until after the battle with O and she meets up with I who is going to ask her why she became a claymore.

[dutchman]

After watching the fansub I still had to restrain myself from checking if my own eye was still intact after the scene where Noel gets an eye perforation by Pricillia.

I wonder if Claymore will be licenced in the future. And if in that case this scene would have a chance to stay uncensored.

Fenrir_valindri I don't hate Priscilla I only hope she dies...preferable by being stabbed slashed a multiple times in many tiny pieces. For the rest I don't hold a grudge against her .. honest..:D

[Key Board]

Theresa turned off her hax mode

when she was preparing to kill her Pris, her eyes went back to normal color

[D a m i e n]

owned, made me laught.

[Seska]

For the Manga Wisdom Users....

See, we saved all this users curiosity. They all was surprised with Teresa's death.
I bet that they don't knowing this, while they was talking about "the poor Bandits". Or that was some of us (Yes, Manga Wisdom Users) that knows what will come...

But hey, don't fall onto the dark side of Spoilers, young Padawan. A Jedi must not fall into Chaos and Hate :)

Keep your Spoilers in check, and everyone will have a hell of a ride, with this Anime. And didn't i told it?. That we need a 11 for voting? :)

Well, anyway...

[Eclipse] i love you.... (Well your speed subs, of course)

[Kamel]

I guess people in this Forum already mentioned to possible reasons as to way Teressa died.

- Was it Pricillas speed at the brink of awaking surpassing Teresas so much that she was defenseless. [ version Prissila the Ultimate Claymore]

- or was it the fact that after meeting Clare Teresa softened and let he guard down, because of Pricilla’s act, and Pricilla’s victory was just victory thanks to the dirty trick. [ version Teresa the ultimate Claymore]

Sad part is that we will probably never know for sure.

[zato_1one]

Somehow I love this episode much more than in manga. Even if I've already knew what will happen, I still feel very sad. The anime has done a very very good job on this. A moment when Teresa died, I could feel the expression from characters that they were really shocking. The anime also adds some new elements and makes it more violent which really impress me and totally awesome.

I think it's inevitable to omit some lines/scenes from manga due to the limit of time. Not that I don't feel anything but I'm sure MADHOUSE "will" present it in later episode. Up to this episode they've already proved that they have enough potential to make Claymore the best adaptation from manga. And may be the best in this season too, imo. I have no doubt in them now because I believe they know what's important and know how to fit them in anime.

I agree that if it ends this arc just like in manga, it will be much more better. But ends like this is still not bad. In fact, it's also very powerful, imo. It makes viewer to focus on that emotional impact scene without distraction from any speech. And that can make viewer almost speechless... If I'm not a manga reader, I'm sure I will feel blank for a while. T T

Again, salute you MADHOUSE!

[Seska]

Om... Thats future knowing... you are spoiling... (well Semi-spoiling) and in the wrong thread...
Only Manga readers, knows if episodes are fillers or not.... anime only viewers, enjoy the trip...


With no hard feelings...

[Cats]

An awakened one ehh~
How long is this series again?!

[Xellos-_^]

Really? I don't remember that.

it is vol7

[Skyfall]

I would like to remind you all of one thing, requested in the thread guidelines: Spoilers about future events must not be posted in this thread.

This means NO manga spoilers in the thread, even if you put it under 10 spoiler tags. Also, do not quote spoilers - it only helps them to spread.

[yononaka]

Theresa was really careless here. Priscilla may have swung the sword really fast, but she moved her hand toward it pretty slowly. It wasn't very smart of Theresa to let her get into a position to pick up the sword like that. I don't think it was a matter of "going soft" in terms of compassion, she just seemed to overestimate her sense of whether Priscilla's human side would remain in control for the time it took Theresa to behead her. A serious miscalculation for an experienced Claymore. Although it could also be that it was in fact the human Priscilla who wanted to kill Theresa at whatever cost... She seemed very commited, so I wouldn't put that past her. Either way, although I didn't want Theresa to die, I don't share the view that this was a "cheap" move. Fairness is not to be expected in a battle to the death. When someone believes their cause to be righteous, using sneak tactics against a (thus far) superior enemy is par for the course.

[Defiled one]

I finaly got the subbed one and I loved the part where Priscilla begged to be Killed. It was so sad... ;_; Papa....Papa...

Although, I have only one complain..the wings could have been bigger but I think they are small because they didn`t dried themselves completly. She looks like a moth and all. My opinion of course.

Not even caring for Clare, she just went walking and walking like nothing happened.

[SimplyEd]

Theresa was really careless here. Priscilla may have swung the sword really fast, but she moved her hand toward it pretty slowly. It wasn't very smart of Theresa to let her get into a position to pick up the sword like that. I don't think it was a matter of "going soft" in terms of compassion, she just seemed to overestimate her sense of whether Priscilla's human side would remain in control for the time it took Theresa to behead her. A serious miscalculation for an experienced Claymore. Although it could also be that it was in fact the human Priscilla who wanted to kill Theresa at whatever cost... She seemed very commited, so I wouldn't put that past her. Either way, although I didn't want Theresa to die, I don't share the view that this was a "cheap" move. Fairness is not to be expected in a battle to the death. When someone believes their cause to be righteous, using sneak tactics against a (thus far) superior enemy is par for the course.

It was a cheap move if you consider what Priscilla was "preaching" to Teresa just before the start of the battle. All that bull about rules of conduct and values and the like.
It's just like Teresa said, that's not how the world works. Everything about Priscilla is just a ruse to cover up that rotten core of hers.
But yeah, Teresa pretty much doomed herself by going soft on Priscilla. It shows a lot of her recent development in character but it also cost her her life.
In the end both of their roles were effectivly reversed. Teresa turned out to be the righteous force of benevolence (surprise,surprise), while Priscilla showed her true colors as a treacherous double-tongued hypocrite.

[Defiled one]

Priscilla begged to be killed before it was too late, Theresa just went for it too late. Priscilla wanted to die while she still controled her body...After that, we saw the outcome. Survival.

I have no idea what she became. But I though she would become a Youma ;_; not so...unique.

[yononaka]

It was a cheap move if you consider what Priscilla was "preaching" to Teresa just before the start of the battle. All that bull about rules of conduct and values and the like.
It's just like Teresa said, that's not how the world works. Everything about Priscilla is just a ruse to cover up that rotten core of hers.
But yeah, Teresa pretty much doomed herself by going soft on Priscilla. It shows a lot of her recent development in character but it also cost her her life.
In the end both of their roles were effectivly reversed. Teresa turned out to be the righteous force of benevolence (surprise,surprise), while Priscilla showed her true colors as a treacherous double-tongued hypocrite.
IIRC Irene had told Priscilla point blank to forget the niceties and use all her power to find the most certain way to kill Theresa. And, personally, I don't really see that much hypocrisy in talking about the rules as far as killing humans went and eventually doing whatever it took to prevail against (in her eyes) a dangerous Claymore criminal; so I think some of your harsher rhetoric is (while understandable from an emotional point of view) not entirely fair. Especially if Priscilla had already lost control in the very end. It'd be silly to call her human side rotten and treacherous for whatever the youma did.

Edit: BTW, note that at no point did Priscilla try to use Clare, which she could have done if she were as rotten as you say.

[SimplyEd]

IIRC Irene had told Priscilla point blank to forget the niceties and use all her power to find the most certain way to kill Theresa. And, personally, I don't really see that much hypocrisy in talking about the rules as far as killing humans went and eventually doing whatever it took to prevail against (in her eyes) a dangerous Claymore criminal; so I think some of your harsher rhetoric is (while understandable from an emotional point of view) not entirely fair. Especially if Priscilla had already lost control in the very end. It'd be silly to call her human side rotten and treacherous for whatever the youma did.

Emotions play a rather large role in my reasoning here, agreed. And now i shall take some things on face value.

So, Irene gave little Priscilla the permission to go all out there. That's like: " Hey i'm supposed to be Miss Goody-Two-Shoes here, you're the criminal AND big sister Irene, coughing up her own blood over there, gave me permission to slash you up in the name of my own narrow view of the world around me".

You know, Priscilla might have thought to be an avatar of justice, that she is infallible in her own reasoning and that everything that goes against that would be ultimately wrong and has to be purged.
She literally pressed her own moral code (which fits that of the organization) onto Teresa without even trying to understand her side of the story. It was irrelevant to her. She demanded of those around her to accept her point of view without even making the effort to give them the benefit of a doubt at least.
That's a hypocrite in all her glory.

Remember how she deliberatly plays the innocent little airhead as long as everything goes the way she wants? See how her entire demeanor changes when she faces off against something that doesn't fit into her little black&white world?

For her, Teresa..no rather her image of Teresa is everything that she hates about herself, her life before being a Claymore and while being a Claymore. She casts her whole frustrations, anger, regrets onto her. She can't even do so much as to understand the reason why Teresa didn't forfeit her own life willingly after committing those alleged murders. She doesn't understand that this "evil" could actually be something else than evil. That she could have a reason for all she did back then. That her actions were justified. It would have ruined her own little world there.

She doesn't even understand why she was losing to Teresa over and over again, even though she was supposed to be righteous and pure. How could goodness fail to villainy? How could she fail to Teresa?
Could Priscilla actually be...conceited..even self-righteous?

Priscilla lost to Teresa even after using that dreaded youki, while Teresa didn't even show the slightest need to do the same. Why does she have to use the thing she hates the most while the villain Teresa, her enemy, the enemy of all she stands for, doesn't?

She was defeated several times, just like her comrades. Teresa still standing, moving in for the kill. She would definitely kill her there, because she is evil and she , Priscilla, has lost. But.....she didn't kill her? Why didn't that evil villain kill her there? Why does evil show mercy on her, on the force of goodness? Unforgivable! Slander! Papa...killed Papa....

What follows is an unstoppable downfall after that little illusionary bubble of hers burst into tiny little bits. She couldn't return to being the human she thought she was. She begged Teresa to take her life while she was still human....not.

She lured her into that trap and Teresa (regrettably) fell for it. It was her own change of character that led her into believing that she was still standing in front of a human being there. Priscilla, the human, was lost long ago. Probably at the time when her family died.
Remember her words after awakening? Why did she struggle so hard? It feels so great (to let go off all the pretentions and just give in to the anger).

That all was the youmas doing, hmm? Why should Priscilla be responsible for what the monster inside her did? She was right, the monster was wrong. I am good you are evil.

It all comes back in a circle. Thoughts like these are exactly what keeps us humans fighting among each other day by day.

Did this post seem a bit..ahh, melodramatic? Naww, i'm just a Claytard.

[Kinematics]

Absolutely beautiful. Loved it. 10.

While I definitely miss that closing scene, I can't see where they could have reasonably removed more than about 5 seconds of footage from the rest of the episode without making it feel chopped up. Plus, the point where they ended the episode is really quite perfect in itself, right at the point where the greatest sense of loss had fully caught up with you.

As for Pris catching Teresa off guard, remember that Pris was throwing off so much yoki energy that when Teresa was still in silver-eyed mode she couldn't track it. The surprised/shocked moment when she lost her hands I think was less about losing the hands and more about realizing Pris had been faking and she'd fallen for it. Unfortunately she didn't have time to recover since she'd powered down.

[Kinematics]

You know, Priscilla might have thought to be an avatar of justice, that she is infallible in her own reasoning and that everything that goes against that would be ultimately wrong and has to be purged.
She literally pressed her own moral code (which fits that of the organization) onto Teresa without even trying to understand her side of the story. It was irrelevant to her. She demanded of those around her to accept her point of view without even making the effort to give them the benefit of a doubt at least.
That's a hypocrite in all her glory.

Actually, no, that's not hypocrisy. That's dogmatism, or fanaticism. Extremely common in people with strong political or religious beliefs. They know they are right, so anything you say that conflicts with that belief must be an attempt to trick or manipulate them. Any actual evidence that is contradictory with their beliefs can cause a "crisis of faith", as it were. Priscilla definitely showed signs of that here.

[SimplyEd]

Actually, no, that's not hypocrisy. That's dogmatism, or fanaticism. Extremely common in people with strong political or religious beliefs. They know they are right, so anything you say that conflicts with that belief must be an attempt to trick or manipulate them. Any actual evidence that is contradictory with their beliefs can cause a "crisis of faith", as it were. Priscilla definitely showed signs of that here.

Nicely put. All of them fit like a glove. Just like hypocrisy^^

hy·poc·ri·sy (hĭ-pŏk'rĭ-sē) pronunciation
n., pl. -sies.

1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
2. An act or instance of such falseness.

[Middle English ipocrisie, from Old French, from Late Latin hypocrisis, play-acting, pretense, from Greek hupokrisis, from hupokrīnesthai, to play a part, pretend : hupo-, hypo- + krīnesthai, to explain, middle voice of krīnein, to decide, judge.]

hypocrisy
n

Definition: deceitfulness, pretense
Antonyms: forthrightness, honesty, righteousness, sincerity, truth

hypocrisy pronunciation

IN BRIEF: Insincerity by pretending to have qualities or beliefs not really held.

pronunciation Hypocrisy is the homage which vice pays to virtue. — Duc de La Rochefoucauld (1613-1680)



Sorry, i had to pull the google card. You're not wrong per se, i just had to add a little bit of a footnote here.

[rockdevil]

OMG teresa DIED CRY !!!!!! really sad that it happend... knew it was comming tough.. but still !! :(

[pirs]

AMAZING episode! I was like :OOOOMFG!!

[cf18]

Some speculation:

I have always wondered why Clare (as a grown Claymore) appears to be much less powerful than Teresa. So it appears that it is either Teresa just being super strong, or the organization reduce the power of new Claymores after this event.

[sola]

I can't believe what happened to Teresa! T_T It happened so fast,:mad: I was so stunned for the rest of the ep!

[LCeh]

I am starting to feel that it was a great decision to end episode 8 at where it ended, because that way we won't be distracted by what happens afterwards and can focus on the impact Teresa's death had on Clare and their bond.

[SapientiSat]

A very well done OMG episode. While the evil twist was unfoulding, I think I heard creepy small girls singing "lalala-la.. la" in the corridors outside my office o.O

[Dustin]

This is one of the greatest episodes in an anime I've seen 10/10. The episode was action-packed and also full of sadness. I hope the next episodes will also be as exciting as this one.

Offtopic: Did any of you know that Teresa is voiced by the same person as Hitsugaya from Bleach? It kinda took me by surprise when I found out because y'know Hitsugaya's a dude and Teresa's a chick although that doesn't matter much in the anime world >_>.

[4Tran]

This was an excellent episode. The first part of it was pretty much the typical shounen fighting sequence, but the latter half more than made up for it. I especially liked the old convention was reversed: "She's only fighting at 10%, but she'll still win!" sure as heck didn't end the way it normally does. Finally, I'm really pleased with the way Hisakawa Aya sounds at the end of the episode. She adds a lot to Priscilla's character.

[orion]

One of the few Priscilla sympathizers.

Poor Priscilla. She was fed the organization propaganda and believed it to the fullest. She was sent into battle too early by the organization. She ultimately turned into one of the creatures that she hated.

Lets' face it Teresa made errors in judgement and...

... bit the dust because of it. Those death flags were just waving in this episode.

a. She left everyone alive and then she taunted them as she left town with Clare. If she had killed Claymores 2-5 while she was in town or just knocked off Priscilla while she was down, then Teresa would be alive today. Instead, she went into the "Come at me and I'll kick your butts again." speech which rightly ticked off Priscilla and the rest is history.

b. During that fight outside of town, she gave a long winded speech and then prepared to chop Priscilla's head off. Duh! Since when does long winded speeches do anything but attempt to comfort the speaker? Priscilla was too far gone at this time for it to mean anything. Priscilla had her opening and she used it to kill the murderer of her family all over again.

c. Why did she power down? She was only at 10%. She could have kept it going until Priscilla's head was taken off. Plus, Claymores 3-5 were right behind her too.



Claymores 3-5 had some errors in judgement too...

Priscilla was trying to leave and really wasn't interested in them but they attacked her anyway. They got their butts handed to them.

[Grey]

The little changes to the Claymore opening each episode...they creep me out. "Add a bit of static here...darken the sunset a little there..."--eeeyaaargh.

A nice episode, with some very nice shots here and there (like the very last scene of weeping Clare before the episode end). The limited number of background music tracks wears at me a little, but only a little bit, and the music is often eminently appropriate anyways.

I remember being puzzled when I first saw that final scene, and I wasn't quite certain how Teresa lost. Eventually I concluded that it was a combination of Teresa letting her guard down--i.e. Clare's made her soft--and Priscilla became fast and "yoki-crazy".

Of course, Priscilla could have been playing a trick. But, if one presumes that a person's honest unless there's sufficient reason to indicate otherwise, then it seems there's insufficient reason to conclude that Priscilla was a trickster as opposed to yoki-crazy. Eh.

[LCeh]

Claymores 3-5 had some errors in judgement too...

Priscilla was trying to leave and really wasn't interested in them but they attacked her anyway. They got their butts handed to them.

The way I look at it though...

It's only right for claymores to be killed before they awaken, because then they are essentially yomas who crave for human flesh, except they are much stronger than your normal yomas.

Therefore, the claymores that are going to awaken ask for others to kill them, while the other claymores kill her because it's a mutual thing, the awakening claymore doesn't want to awaken, and her comrades don't want her to awaken either. If we look at it that way, then it's only right for claymores 3-5 to go after Priscilla.

[zangetsu_21]

Teresa!!!!!!

[cors8]

One of the few Priscilla sympathizers.

Poor Priscilla. She was fed the organization propaganda and believed it to the fullest. She was sent into battle too early by the organization. She ultimately turned into one of the creatures that she hated.

Lets' face it Teresa made errors in judgement and...

... bit the dust because of it. Those death flags were just waving in this episode.

a. She left everyone alive and then she taunted them as she left town with Clare. If she had killed Claymores 2-5 while she was in town or just knocked off Priscilla while she was down, then Teresa would be alive today. Instead, she went into the "Come at me and I'll kick your butts again." speech which rightly ticked off Priscilla and the rest is history.

b. During that fight outside of town, she gave a long winded speech and then prepared to chop Priscilla's head off. Duh! Since when does long winded speeches do anything but attempt to comfort the speaker? Priscilla was too far gone at this time for it to mean anything. Priscilla had her opening and she used it to kill the murderer of her family all over again.

c. Why did she power down? She was only at 10%. She could have kept it going until Priscilla's head was taken off. Plus, Claymores 3-5 were right behind her too.



Claymores 3-5 had some errors in judgement too...

Priscilla was trying to leave and really wasn't interested in them but they attacked her anyway. They got their butts handed to them.

Well, you have to consider the fact that Clare was watching. Teresa's basically acting as her guardian and role model.

I'm assuming she did what she did to set a good example for Clare. Killing Claymores is quite different from killing Youmas.

[MuMuLi]

Mat makes Priscilla so powerful ion the first place? Was it cuz of her screwed up child hood? n that case Clare gone through some crazy stuff herself and yet she is not teh ubar l337,

[Hahiru]

I wonder why Priscilla just walked past Clare like that when she was saying how hungry was. I know she's small fry, but she was right there to munch on!

[Straywolf]

Beautiful episode, extremely well animated and adapted from the manga. I agree with some of you about a few scenes and dialogues which were left out. Those are crucial to the story, but hopefully we will see them next week.

I love this arc of the story although I'd be a masochist if I want to rewatch/reread it again too many times ^^;

Most of us are upset at the Teressa's fate, but keep in mind that she willingly chose this path the moment she put away her sword after defeating Pricilla the first time. The end result just came sooner than expected. I feel better knowing that she achieved the moral victory by following her new way of life with Clare. But oh so bittersweet!

[Lendial]

what an incredible ep.

i cant believed they killed her off so early in the anime, i wanted to see some more development between her and clare. they make terresa out to be absurdly strong, and she is with the exception of her single weakness, kindness, which she gained from clare. kinda ironic. terresa at 10% was stronger than the little prodigy child at 90+%. she should just killed the 4 off at first opportunity. the little monster flew off in the end too, why didnt she kill clare?

[snood2000]

Amazing episode. Too bad Teresa had to go out that way, I liked her character. :(

[7thFonon]

That was just...WOW.... I didn't even react to what happened til like 15 seconds after. It was so unexpected....

[yononaka]

@SimplyEd

For me, whether I can call someone a hypocrite has to do with their awareness. If they are aware that what they say and how they portray themselves is bunk compared to what they actually believe, and they deliberately continue to project that falseness, they are a hypocrite. Otherwise, they are deluded at the most. So, Priscilla may have been deluded big time, but I can't call her a hypocrite since (like orion) I think she seemed to sincerely believe what she said, or at the very least she wanted to believe it. Kinematics pretty much had it, except I think that in Priscilla's case she was too immature to be properly dogmatic. I don't think a child can be called either a hypocrite or a fanatic in a true sense, and as Irene pointed out, Priscilla was still a child. I can't blame her for believing in the Organization's dogma if it gave her a sense of purpose in the world full or chaotic terror.

Personally, I liked Theresa over Priscilla, but judging people differently on the basis of likes could be considered... no, I'm not going to say "hypocritical" :)

Edit: About Theresa sparing Priscilla in the town fight, I think (similarly to orion) that she negated that effect by taunting the group to come after her any time. I think that probably made it look to Priscilla as though she wasn't spared out of mercy but rather out of a sense of superiority. Or at least it made it easier for her to filter it through her beliefs that way as opposed to considering the act more deeply.

[Guido]

I am just stunned for the visual gore quality for this episode.

I thought after seeing the pics but before watching the episode itself that it would made me cringe and full me with goosebumps if I ever dare to watch it.

However, I took all my courage onto myself and did so, and boy, I am glad I did.

I cannot deny that the episode was graphic, although not that visceral as I was trembling before.
I got the same sensation when I grew expectations before going to watch the first episode of Elfen Lied.

In the past I had it watching horror movies, shows, or anime about guys fmutating into disgusting or violent creatures. It's good to be relieved that Claymore holds no back and allow girls to freaking mutate into monsters or mistresses of hell.
Priscilla's transformation was so emotionally involving to me because unexpectedly one cannot avoid to earn some sympathy for her due to her traumatic background, but within a split second all that kindness and compassion goes to smoke and here she goes for the killing blow in order to win at any cost without minding to damn her soul for eternity.
Because she was such a spoiled brat and a naive one too, she surely goes monkey when it comes to being a sore loser that hates to lose because she thought her little and eschew b&w vision of the world was the right one.

Teresa showed her for once and all what is the reality of the world, but she wouldn't accept and well you know how the rest well. Miss pure ally of justice went apesh** and fmutated into Satan's concubine.

Did not I mention that Awakened Priscilla sounded either like a robot or a zombie?
My hypothesis is that she's still at child stage even for Awakening.

Let me make a comparison. In Venus Versus Virus there was this episode about a cute girl and her twin brother. The girl was attacked by a Virus and got herself turned into one, but she did not realize it until her new hunger and instinct took over.
Similar case with Priscilla, but I am not too sure if she has realized she turned into an even worse thing that brought her misery and ruined her. That or Priscilla does already knows what she's become to, but she is too childish as of now to acknowledge or comprehend it.

My point is that I am also stick with everyone's decision that as of now Priscilla has turned into an antagonist but not a full-time villain, unless she reaches the adult stage and when that happens she'll be the queen among the fsadists!!

Ok. Enough of Priscilla. Now I want to bring on the very highlight of the episode.

Our queen and goddess has.... You f***ing writers how dare you did to the goddess of the faint smile.

It was just too quick and soon. In just about three frames Teresa lose her arms and head.

What the heck!:upset:

She is Teresa of the Faint Smile, the ultimate Claymore who can sense and relocate when Yoma or Claymore are about to send youriki to which specific body parts and advance one step ahead to earn the advantage.

They should had made Teresa be wary of Priscilla's murderous and dishonest intentions, so she could had at least barely escaped her trap with a major bruise.

Heck!!

I absolutely cried and sob for Clare. For a second time she was witness to murder on cold-blood of another precious person dearest to her. I am quite amazed that Clare's mentality did not break after that trauma.

Hugging Teresa's severed head reminded when Seras did the same to Alucard's head in Hellsing.

And now what's going to happen to Clare?
The question is just stupidly obvious, but I would not post it due for spoilerful reasons.


In summary, a powerful episode and quite explains now why Clare detested to have human companionship at the very start of the series.

[Kinematics]

I wonder why Priscilla just walked past Clare like that when she was saying how hungry was. I know she's small fry, but she was right there to munch on!

Well, figure: you're sitting on the couch and you've got the munchies. Now, you know there's like half a turkey sandwich in the fridge, but even if you eat it you're still gonna be hungry. On the other hand you can drive a few blocks and grab a couple Big Macs and some fries from the local McD's. Which are you going to go for?

... I'm going to pay for that analogy someday, I know it.

[NoSanninWa]

In summary, a powerful episode and quite explains now why Clare detested to have human companionship at the very start of the series.

It really makes you reconsider the meaning behind Clare's words when she told Raki that he would suffer if he stayed with her. I wonder if she meant that Raki would suffer because he was walking the same path that she did and wondered if she'd end up the same way that Theresa did.

I wonder why Priscilla just walked past Clare like that when she was saying how hungry was. I know she's small fry, but she was right there to munch on!
Here's a supposition, purely speculation: Perhaps something of the idealistic Priscilla remained inside of the Awakened Priscilla. That remnant of idealism and purity could not kill a suffering and innocent child.

[Nesty]

i just dled all the current manga for claymore last week and held of reading it from start till current before this ep. the shock factor was INSANE! i honestly thought she was a gonner last ep, but this ep made me thing omg she's gonna make it till the VERY end T_T

just when i u get to love the bond of teresa and clare, the stupid B!tch ruins everything. i can't wait how this unfolds, now i understand the intro more and more with each passing manga read.

[FlareKnight]

Just utterly unbelievable. It was really weird, at the end of last episode I was writing Teresa off. It just seemed impossible that she could pull off a win against all of them at the same time. But, then they gave some hope with her owning them without having to go nearly all out. Clearly the fatal choice was sparing them. But the reason she spared them is the reason she had to fight them in the first place. Saving Clare and building that bond weakened her killing resolve. Before she'd finish them without question, but if she was like that she wouldn't be in that situation. It was just hard to see.

Started to worry as they went on with that crazed Priscilla going closer and closer to the limit. It was incredible that Teresa only needed 10% to overpower her. Then coming to the end it seemed clear she'd finish her off and be fine. Suddenly she's just dead, it was so fast that there was no time for even the people watching to react. She goes down to normal to finish things off and that'd be that.

It's just mind boggling that Teresa only ever went 10% and now is dead. If she had just stayed at that level she could've probably avoided the attack. Even if Priscilla had awakened she may have needed to up the percentage but I have no doubt she would've won. I understand that sometimes fights don't go as planned, that just because a person is stronger doesn't mean they'll win. I still hate the fact that she lost, she was stronger, a great person but she still lost. It could've been a trick, Teresa had spared her so many times already. If she just pretended to want mercy, or to be killed it'd lower Teresa's guard long enough. I really hope that monster gets beaten to hell.

Hard to believe that the top 5 claymores are gone after one moment. 4 are dead and one has become a youkai of insane power. I know Clare will have to fight her but does she even stand a chance? Nothing has really brought up that she is in the top numbers of the organization. I can assume she joined up to get enough strength to kill Priscilla but I don't know what will come next.

All I can say is poor Teresa.

[grey_moon]

Yah I thought it was going to be a Terese V Clare final due to the scene in the OP. The thing is I couldn't work out how it was going to happen, since they seemed so nice together. Well the OP misled me, it misled me well.

[Guido]

Here's a supposition, purely speculation: Perhaps something of the idealistic Priscilla remained inside of the Awakened Priscilla. That remnant of idealism and purity could not kill a suffering and innocent child.

That or maybe it is the Sasuke-Naruto principle on the works again.

[SimplyEd]

@SimplyEd

For me, whether I can call someone a hypocrite has to do with their awareness. If they are aware that what they say and how they portray themselves is bunk compared to what they actually believe, and they deliberately continue to project that falseness, they are a hypocrite. Otherwise, they are deluded at the most. So, Priscilla may have been deluded big time, but I can't call her a hypocrite since (like orion) I think she seemed to sincerely believe what she said, or at the very least she wanted to believe it. Kinematics pretty much had it, except I think that in Priscilla's case she was too immature to be properly dogmatic. I don't think a child can be called either a hypocrite or a fanatic in a true sense, and as Irene pointed out, Priscilla was still a child. I can't blame her for believing in the Organization's dogma if it gave her a sense of purpose in the world full or chaotic terror.

Personally, I liked Theresa over Priscilla, but judging people differently on the basis of likes could be considered... no, I'm not going to say "hypocritical" :)

Oh? Did i judge Priscilla on personal feelings there? Did i judge Teresa differently because i may feel more for her part of the story? So, it makes me a hypocrite because i pointed out some obvious flaws in Priscillas way of acting..even though she's still an innocent little thingy?

hypocrisy
1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
2. An act or instance of such falseness.

I thought i already posted that before to make my side clear. Look, it doesn't matter whether Priscilla was truly consciously aware of what she really was. I'm just saying that her actions betrayed her intentions, IF those were her real intentions. You know, you can talk about goodness and lawful behaviour and whatnot all you want, but that doesn't mean that you're actually a good person.
I really wrote a lot more besides her being a hypocrite, really. Sorry if you don't like it.

Yes, Priscilla is a deeply hurt individual. I'm grieving over her loss. Not only her immideate loss (family) but also her mental loss. It's plainly ovious that she has deep psychological scars (not that the other Claymores don't have such, mind you) and that she's troubled more than meets the eye.
I wasn't evaluating her on the premise that i hate her (far from it) but rather on the premise of what's really lying under all that act. Things that can be deducted by observing how she reacts on things that go against her understanding. How she's able to cope with stress, the real world, things that lie beyond good and evil.
Yeah, her way of thinking was "deluded big time". Because of the Organizations dogma? Wasn't it rather that those doctrines fit her own twisted view of the world? Two wrongs equal a right? The end justifies the means?
So, she seemed to really believe in what she was saying there? She practised a belief she didn't really held in the end (hint). Fanatism is just as much hypocrisy as it is indifference to what is going on around you.

Was that fair enough now?

People tend to give her too much leeway just because immature, "just a child". A young, seemingly righteous, adult(which is what i'd rather call her) can be the most wicked wolf in a sheeps pelt while an alleged villain can be a benevolent nice person with circumstances.

[NoSanninWa]

That or maybe it is the Sasuke-Naruto principle on the works again.

Pardon me, but I'm not such a Naruto-head that I know what you are referring to. Sure, I know who those characters are, but I just don't see the similarity between the Sasuke-Naruto relationship and the Priscilla-Clare relationship. Please explain yourself instead of merely referrring to some "principle" from another show.

[IMSabbel]

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Calm down, get some anger managment and a nice dose of prozac.

You seem to take this all far to personal.
And consider: Pris was already beyond the point of no return. I consider everything after the last "woosh" and the "i can't turn back" line to be actions of the yoma, not of the claymore.

Theresas error was that she went so soft-harded that the yoma was able to fool here, just like Raki was fooled by the yoma imposing as his brother.

[yononaka]

Oh? Did i judge Priscilla on personal feelings there? Did i judge Teresa differently because i may feel more for her part of the story? So, it makes me a hypocrite because i pointed out some obvious flaws in Priscillas way of acting..even though she's still an innocent little thingy?
I thought I was talking about myself there, actually... I think you're mistakenly assuming that I'm arguing with your judgements. Actually, I don't particularly care what you believe and how you evaluate Priscilla, and I'm not under the illusion that I could change that belief or should try to do so. I'm not saying that to assert the superiority of my point of view, just to say that it isn't a big deal for me if you think differently. I'm expressing some of the ideas I have, and addressing you because you entered the discussion by quoting my entire first post, and because you make it easy for me to point out some aspects of the situation that matter to me.

There's no need to get into some "sorry if you don't like it" game here. It's pretty annoying when people assume that me expressing a different view must mean that I'm not allowing them to keep to theirs... Conversely, I hope that you'll allow me to express mine without getting personal about it.

People tend to give her too much leeway just because immature, "just a child". A young, seemingly righteous, adult(which is what i'd rather call her) can be the most wicked wolf in a sheeps pelt while an alleged villain can be a benevolent nice person with circumstances.
I'm not giving Priscilla "leeway", I'm merely refraining from damning her, because I can make myself consider her point of view just as, for example, I can consider the point of view that made Theresa kill the bandits instead of doing something else with them. I don't see why Priscilla can't be excused for going wild in battle if Theresa could. It doesn't matter who was more "right", the point is that they both acted in extreme circumstances and did questionable things. (Edit: In Theresa's case against inferior opponents and without the clear influence of you-ki.) According to your model, it seems that I should assume that Theresa in fact held the view that some people should be killed without mercy and was a hypocrite for having held back from doing so earlier in her career.

[Varis]

Clearly Teresa was asking to be killed when she spared the 4 claymores but how could she not???

It was compassion that made her feel human again, it was compassion that made her spare her hunters and it was again compassion that made her drop her guard in the end.

Teresa was just being true to herself.

[cyoti]

And compassion in the end damned her.

Of course, it was probably her best choice since she'll still be remembered fondly by Clare and it beats dying as a nameless Claymore for the organization.

[SimplyEd]

Calm down, get some anger managment and a nice dose of prozac.

You seem to take this all far to personal.
And consider: Pris was already beyond the point of no return. I consider everything after the last "woosh" and the "i can't turn back" line to be actions of the yoma, not of the claymore.

Theresas error was that she went so soft-harded that the yoma was able to fool here, just like Raki was fooled by the yoma imposing as his brother.

Tss, it seems like i can write it as much as i want and people just don't get it. I wasn't taking this emotional, let alone as "anger management", okay? I could really care less how tame you want to lead your discussions, but at least i was trying to make a point there. And no thanks, i most definitely don't need tranquilizers just because you don't like my explanations.
Anyway, i made myself clear enough and it fit into this episode discussion just fine. No need to take this any farther.


Personally, I liked Theresa over Priscilla, but judging people differently on the basis of likes could be considered... no, I'm not going to say "hypocritical"

Actually, that little part was the occasion. I sure know that you're trying to express your point of view there, otherwise we wouldn't have that nice discussion here. I wasn't trying to be offensive, if that's what bugs you though. "I'm sorry if you don't like it" means just that and nothing else. I sure understand that we seem to be at a pinch here, but that doesn't mean that i'm trying to convert you to my opinions. The "not get it personal" part hold true for both sides though.

Finally:

I'm not giving Priscilla "leeway"

Yeah, that's exactly why i expressivly wrote: "People tend to.."
And no, i'm not assuming anything in that direction about Teresa, because i was addressing Priscillas circumstances.If you read the last part of my last post carefully, it should be clear that i'm not trying to "damn" Priscilla (the human). I'm directing my attention towards what she has become after what has happened to her family.

[potchip]

As I read the manga I must say it is sometimes very hard to replicate the same effect in animated form.

Some comments:

Some of the sound effects are just queer, like Star Wars laser..

The voice of Priscillaman wasn't entirely flattering, so were the ashen complexion.

It is a good touch to show environmental damage rather than actual sword fights, but when it gets to the part when 2 claymores just swinging their arms about with their lower body perfectly still, it gets bad. In my opinion fight animations between powerful entities needs to be short and sweet. Fights in samurai champloo is good because it is dynamic, opponents MOVE while fight. Claymore's fight scenes are better than the average shonen-jump into anime but still not quite up there.

The mangaka portrayed the awakened to be aloof and dreamy(especially the more powerful ones). In the manga the part Clare realize that she while the only living human at the scene did not even register on Priscilla's radar. It reinforces the gulf between the awakened which are like gods, and was unfortunately left out in the anime. I remember Priscilla indicating she's off to some town to feed, because Clare is not enough. One of the most powerful theme was the hunger for human guts, by the newly awakened, a sign of inexperienced as well as a metaphor of them as different from humans. The animation did not do it justice.

One scene where Prescilla was on the verge and froathing was well done. It describes when one passed the threshold, it is like when you are drunk and about to throw up, the power(stuff!) inside you just throws about and irresistable! Later on Priscilla also commented how it was stupid to resist because it felt so good(just after you empied your gut, relatively speaking :P).

I don't think Priscilla purposefully deceived Teressa. It is more likely that Prescilla was simply overwhelmed by the surging power and all that muttering about human heart etc was a momentarily confusion, as she loses the human part and embraces something entirely alien. When she came about, she immediately killed the threat by instinct, at which point she is already stronger than Teressa, no matter how strong Teressa was initially. And contrary to popular believe, the awakened is not the more powerful version of yoma, which is essentially driven by instincts. Awakened is like a type of more advanced being, the only problem being incidentally, humans are their food! Of course, the will of the human before becoming awakened matters a lot on the eventual behaviour.

It was good that Clare didn't end up muttering 'Teressa x12351351' near the end, a mistake many sentimental anime make. Sometimes, silence is for maximum impact!

Ijo.

[yononaka]

Actually, that little part was the occasion.
Well, I thought by putting that in a separate paragraph and prefacing with "personally" was enough to indicate that I want to avoid judging Priscilla more readily just because I like her less...

And, no offense, but despite what you just said to IMSabbel about not taking this emotionally, you do seem kind of emotional about this. You even said before
Emotions play a rather large role in my reasoning here, agreed.

In any case, let's all get along :)

[HinaThePrince]

The little changes to the Claymore opening each episode...they creep me out. "Add a bit of static here...darken the sunset a little there..."--eeeyaaargh.

ME TOO. They even redraw Deneve's face! D: [I just made a side-by-side comparison. God, I need a life.] I think the darkening is because of the quality of the RAWs rather than the actual studio messing with the contrast, though.

[Sorrow-K]

I was getting ready to bag this episode for being generic shounen tripe and then BAM, plot-twist of the millennium (excuse the hyperbole). Now that's how you execute a plot-twist. Absolutely no warning, and almost blew me out of my chair. I'm more than willing to forgive the bland fight scenes simply because of the impact of that one plot-twist alone.

What the hell, for all her supposed ability, Teresa could only make a baffled expression before Priscillia killed her. Even Irene put up more of a fight.

Teresa being the best there is but still caught off-guard? Isn't she able to sense the flow of yoki energy? Bah, I feel so cheated. Damn the mangaka for hyping up Teresa's powers and then giving her such a stupid death.
Yeah, but the writers can't make these characters so insanely powerful that they can predict, sense and evade killing intent when they're not expecting it. They'd be invincible otherwise. I think the writers really deserve credit for not being afraid to just kill off major characters, and I'd hope that they'd do it again in the future. That's a formula for potentially great drama: spend great amounts of time meticulously establishing and developing relationship bonds and then destroy them with the snap of fingers. After all, if I wanted to see characters not die, I'd go watch Mai-Otome.
It is a good touch to show environmental damage rather than actual sword fights, but when it gets to the part when 2 claymores just swinging their arms about with their lower body perfectly still, it gets bad. In my opinion fight animations between powerful entities needs to be short and sweet. Fights in samurai champloo is good because it is dynamic, opponents MOVE while fight. Claymore's fight scenes are better than the average shonen-jump into anime but still not quite up there.
Glad someone mentioned Samurai Champloo, since that'd have to be very close to the epitome of sword action in anime (if it isn't). Claymore really doesn't get near that at all, which is quite disappointing, since the action choreography is really unambitious in a time where titles like this really should be trying to push boundaries and further blaze the trails that shows like Samurai Champloo and the RK OVAs, etc, etc set before it. I'd really hope the plot continues to be good, since the action really is subpar, in my eyes. Then again, I'm not a big fan of action in the first place, and it usually has to be really special to capture my attention.

[SimplyEd]

As I read the manga I must say it is sometimes very hard to replicate the same effect in animated form.
Some of the sound effects are just queer, like Star Wars laser..


Because you identify that soundeffect as a Tie-Fighter laser soundeffect or because you think the soundeffect is queer? Would it still sound queer if you didn't know it was that particular soundeffect?

The voice of Priscillaman wasn't entirely flattering, so were the ashen complexion.

Priscillaman...i take it you mean her awakening state as well as her Awakened state. Well, it is not supposed to be flattering, really.
About the complexion. That lies in the eyes of the beholder.

It is a good touch to show environmental damage rather than actual sword fights, but when it gets to the part when 2 claymores just swinging their arms about with their lower body perfectly still, it gets bad. In my opinion fight animations between powerful entities needs to be short and sweet. Fights in samurai champloo is good because it is dynamic, opponents MOVE while fight. Claymore's fight scenes are better than the average shonen-jump into anime but still not quite up there.

They are fighting on a supernatural level. Even when Teresa didn't use any of her youki, her whole body was still different from that of a normal human being. If you catch a part of their body as looking still, then that's what a normal human observer would be able to see. The moving parts of their body are just too fast for a human eye to properly see.
It's a bad idea to compare Samurai Champloo with Claymore. Based on the way of how the battles actually play out. Claymore is much more fantasy while Champloo is more on a "realistic" side. And that's already stretching it pretty much.

The mangaka portrayed the awakened to be aloof and dreamy(especially the more powerful ones). In the manga the part Clare realize that she while the only living human at the scene did not even register on Priscilla's radar.

More like, they are on a completely different level of perception of their surroundings.
Priscilla ignores Clare, true.

It reinforces the gulf between the awakened which are like gods, and was unfortunately left out in the anime. I remember Priscilla indicating she's off to some town to feed, because Clare is not enough. One of the most powerful theme was the hunger for human guts, by the newly awakened, a sign of inexperienced as well as a metaphor of them as different from humans. The animation did not do it justice.


It's a bit farfetched to call them gods, really. They are a new type of being, different from human,youma and Claymore.
Priscilla merely states her urges for feeding. No statements about Clare. The explanation to this incident is not yet set in stone.
The part about the animation is also highly dependent on who you ask.

One scene where Prescilla was on the verge and froathing was well done. It describes when one passed the threshold, it is like when you are drunk and about to throw up, the power(stuff!) inside you just throws about and irresistable! Later on Priscilla also commented how it was stupid to resist because it felt so good(just after you empied your gut, relatively speaking :P).

The feelings you get from awakeneing vary from person to person. It's not a spoiler per se, but as a manga reader you should know what i mean.

I don't think Priscilla purposefully deceived Teressa. It is more likely that Prescilla was simply overwhelmed by the surging power and all that muttering about human heart etc was a momentarily confusion, as she loses the human part and embraces something entirely alien. When she came about, she immediately killed the threat by instinct, at which point she is already stronger than Teressa, no matter how strong Teressa was initially.

As i recently learned, there are many people who share different opinions about that. And it's a touchy subject, methinks.

It was good that Clare didn't end up muttering 'Teressa x12351351' near the end, a mistake many sentimental anime make. Sometimes, silence is for maximum impact!

As are tears..



@ yononaka

Hence my second paragraph in that post " And now i shall take some things at face value" which indicates my utmost willingness to treat Priscilla on a more objective basis.
I'm not really mad at IMSabbel, i just thought that first part was rather blunt.

But yeah, let's all be friends^^

[ashesatdusk]

I just finished it. I've read the available manga through (Volumes 1-7 Shipping from Amazon right now:D). Man every time I see the scene were Teresa dies... I think why couldn't they just kill Priscilla and live happily ever after I'd had been happy with that.

I wonder though what amount of power, Teresa really had, I think she beat Priscilla before she went over limits with just 10% of here Yoki. She wasn't expecting Priscilla to attack her, I wonder if she'd been able to hold her own against an awakened Priscilla.

The animation in this was great... simply fantastic this time around. Though I enjoyed the earlier fights more than the Postal Priscilla v.s Teresa fight. I think Priscilla's voice did ruin it for me a bit.

[SimplyEd]

I wonder though what amount of power, Teresa really had, I think she beat Priscilla before she went over limits with just 10% of here Yoki. She wasn't expecting Priscilla to attack her, I wonder if she'd been able to hold her own against an awakened Priscilla.

The animation in this was great... simply fantastic this time around. Though I enjoyed the earlier fights more than the Postal Priscilla v.s Teresa fight. I think Priscilla's voice did ruin it for me a bit.

Yeah, until her death she never really went above 10% of her youki capabilities. That alone, plus her ability to read youki (and therefore getting stronger the longer a battle lasts against a being of enourmous youki) would lead me to believe that Teresa would have been able to kill Awakened Priscilla.

[potchip]

As stated in the anime, Teresa already had difficulty sensing pre-awakened prescilla's yoki. That ability is unlikely to improve as she releases her own power. Her surprise was obvious, either she never believed Priscilla can hurt her, given what she sensed, or she did but couldn't stop it anyway.

[SimplyEd]

As stated in the anime, Teresa already had difficulty sensing pre-awakened prescilla's yoki. That ability is unlikely to improve as she releases her own power. Her surprise was obvious, either she never believed Priscilla can hurt her, given what she sensed, or she did but couldn't stop it anyway.


It doesn't matter so much how much Teresa increases her own amount of youki, but rather how much youki her opponent is utilizing. As a Claymore, Priscilla was able to hide her youki from Teresa but the moment she released it to grow stronger and subsequently awaken, she played right into Teresas hand. An Awakened, regardless wether they try to hide their youki emanates so much of it that youki readers can gain the upper hand if they keep their heads cool enough.
In the end, Teresa wasn't on her toes enough. It was stated long before that the "old Teresa" wouldn't have given Priscilla a chance when she was down the first time.

[Child_of_Sierra]

Ironically it was the instance of Teresa's death that got me truly hooked on Claymore. Painful yes, but oh so well told and executed as well. The emotional wounds I suffered then (reading manga) was experienced by quite a lot of anime watchers in this episode. Some even when to vent their frustration on the poll's literal meaning of painful.

The author is indeed gutsy, for doing what he did and the anime team as well for delivering the entire scene in its full gut-wrenching impact to the audience.

[potchip]

Nono, you misinterpret(or more likely I wasn't clear enough): by pre-awakened I meant the almost-at-limit-and-quite-made Priscilla, not the claymore Priscilla. Around 10:30 mark of the episode. Simply to point out that reading ki would not help Teresa after that level. (or perhaps simply because Priscilla was mad, so that there were no pattern)

[ashesatdusk]

>Yeah, until her death she never really went above 10% of her youki capabilities. That alone, plus her ability to read youki (and therefore getting stronger the longer a battle lasts against a being of enourmous youki) would lead me to believe that Teresa would have been able to kill Awakened Priscilla.

I'm not sure she could win, but I think your right the Youki ability would be able to give her some ability to hold her own. However, it was stated in the episode, that when Initially Priscilla was releasing an abnormal amount of Yoki energy, Teresa was having trouble predicting her moves.

[superzombie23]

This anime ep. didn't make me flinch as much as other watchers b/c I had already read the manga, but the ep. still shocked me regardless lol. They transferred what happened in the manga perfectly. When I read the manga, the scene where Teresa gets pwned made me go WTF O_O. I had to read it over and over. The anime would have made a huge impact on me if I had never read the manga. That's one of the downsides of reading manga before watching the anime b/c manga gives less of an impact with the same scene animated, but it's still a big impact.

[zato_1one]

I had rather died to see both Teresa and Irene slowly unsheathe their sword. Carefully Cross sword with each other for a while. After finish testing their ability, Teresa said "You're not good enough". Then both of them run through each other with a light speed! Time stop for seconds. Irene falls on her knee and said "You're still as strong as ever". :eyebrow:

Well my example may sounds too stupid but I enjoy fighting scene in Claymore. At least it looks very intense and suits for the anime style, imo. This may truly base on personal taste. But Samurai fighting in Claymore is a no-no to me. :twitch: It won't reflect that Claymores are superior than human anymore.

[SimplyEd]

@potchip & ashesatdusk

Yeah, she had problems with the flow because youki was gushing out everywhere. Yet, Teresa kept the upper hand. Why? Because she was also an extraordinary conventional fighter regardless of her youki powers. In a way, she was very much peerless in that regard.
Besides, just because she had trouble there, doesn't mean that her ability was outright canceled for each and every situation. At some point the youki flow would have had to regain precision for coordinated attacks. As it stands, Priscilla was pretty much fighting blindly, head-on and not that refined any longer.
I'm not saying that Teresa would have had a stroll in the park with Awakened Priscilla, but there were favours leaning into her direction. For me, that is.

[godraziert]

Rather sad to see Teresa go out this way, even though I felt that she would get killed eventually. She had a lot of potential had she been a main/sub-main character. The ending felt a tad rush, would've been interesting to see more of Clare's reaction, though she was probably in shock.

Wonder if Clare became a Claymore to avenge Teresa . . . this arc has heightened my interest in the series overall ;)

[TinyRedLeaf]

Very unexpected plot twist, but arrrgh, it felt cheap.

I get the feeling that I would probably be better off reading the manga (which I haven't). I don't feel as shocked as I feel I should be. Strangely enough, I feel cheated, as though something important had been left out.

If I had to give a reason, it's probably because I don't know enough about any of the characters (save Teresa) to care about their loss. And just when I thought I was going to learn more -- the hints regarding Priscilla's motivation for becoming a Claymore, for example -- they all die or get transformed into the Mega Boss.

Lots of impact, but the conclusion feels hollow somehow. Still not perfect enough to deserve a 10 from me. But a very high 9 certainly. :)

[Defiled one]

Anyways I think Priscilla spared Clare for several reasons.

1- Priscilla had a brother who was eaten by a youma, she muttered it when awakening. Clare probably reminded her about her loved brother.

2- Priscilla didn´t even cared for Clare, because she was not attacked by her. Turning in to a Youma caused her to behave by instinct. No threat, no need to attack.

3- Clare was to thin for eating and priscilla wanted something more. Which is strange because she could have used the girl as an apetizer.

And the Forth most favourite..The " Yuri Fanboy theory" not making this up swear but I doubt this one even counts. :cool:

4- Priscilla loved Clare and just waited for her to grow up as a Claymore for...stuff. Since Killing Theresa granted her Spoils of war "Clare".
And she envied Teresa for having someone that loved her. :twitch: Kinky.

Don`t ask me where I got that one. Half-youma Half-human

[zato_1one]

I just remember something in manga which may be a reason why Priscilla made a cheap move like that. Back in ep.3, this scene was only presented in manga, when Clare was nearly awaken. She put her sword to her neck.And when she was about to cut her own throat, her arm suddenly jerked away and try to cut Raki instead. Fortunately, she could force it to miss Raki. It seemed like she lost control of her body.

This behavior might be because of the Youma instinct in her. The killing and survival instinct. She almost couldn't control her body and the urge to be awaken. In case of Priscilla, she was just a rookie who didn't even know her limit and couldn't control her power properly. So when her life was in danger, it has very high possibility that the Youma side took over her and killed Teresa instantly. Because she was too inexperience, she wasn't strong enough to suppress her Youma instinct and accepted her death obediently just like Elena in ep.2

But who care, she was just a spoil brat anyway. :mad:

[Darkside]

Was irene killed for sure? I couldn't really tell if she took a fatal wound or not at the end there. Wondering, because she's still in the intro with some of the claymores we haven't seen yet.

[Deathkillz]

Anyways I think Priscilla spared Clare for several reasons.

1- Priscilla had a brother who was eaten by a youma, she muttered it when awakening. Clare probably reminded her about her loved brother.

2- Priscilla didn´t even cared for Clare, because she was not attacked by her. Turning in to a Youma caused her to behave by instinct. No threat, no need to attack.

3- Clare was to thin for eating and priscilla wanted something more. Which is strange because she could have used the girl as an apetizer.

And the Forth most favourite..The " Yuri Fanboy theory" not making this up swear but I doubt this one even counts. :cool:

4- Priscilla loved Clare and just waited for her to grow up as a Claymore for...stuff. Since Killing Theresa granted her Spoils of war "Clare".
And she envied Teresa for having someone that loved her. :twitch: Kinky.

Don`t ask me where I got that one. Half-youma Half-human
my take would be a spin off from option 3 ~ clare was too insignificant for even priscilla to consider eating...or being the evil bitch that she is spared clare's life on purpose so she may angst over the loss of teresa ~ kinda like saying: "come get me if you are strong enough"...

[Grey]

ME TOO. They even redraw Deneve's face! D: [I just made a side-by-side comparison. God, I need a life.] I think the darkening is because of the quality of the RAWs rather than the actual studio messing with the contrast, though.Ack, you're right! I often skip some or all of the opening, so I missed the change to Deneve. Looks like they made the change at episode 5--the beginning of the flashback arc--along with most of the other small changes.

...I don't know why they flattened her face like that. I find it unpleasant, and I'm not sure it fits with the original character design either.

[Seska]

First of all, and the Admins may forgive me and of course you,too...


DON'T PANIC!!!!

and

DON'T SPOILING!!!

...*hint* Radar of someone *hint*...

Think first where you are, and what you are typing... What will you say, if someone kills your curiosity... Or from the beginning of this Arc, knowing that Teresa will have lose her head?

Calm down, people. I can understand that you are upset of her death, but that is not a excuse to spoiling and taken all the fun for others....

(Your faction inside the community has gone worse) (EQ Insider joke)

[whitepearl]

Ack, you're right! I often skip some or all of the opening, so I missed the change to Deneve. Looks like they made the change at episode 5--the beginning of the flashback arc--along with most of the other small changes.

...I don't know why they flattened her face like that. I find it unpleasant, and I'm not sure it fits with the original character design either.

Who is the Claymore to the right of Deneve? They changed the color of her Claymore hilt (or guard...sorry I'm lacking in sword terminology) in episode 5, too.

[cors8]

Who is the Claymore to the right of Deneve? They changed the color of her Claymore hilt (or guard...sorry I'm lacking in sword terminology) in episode 5, too.

Her name is Helen.

[HinaThePrince]

I didn't even catch that. Good one. And I think Deneve's face looks a lot nicer now, before the shape of her head was pretty messed up and she looked really angry. Deneve does not look angry.

[ArmisaelXVIII]

Great episode...

All we know that Teresa was going to die, but it was completely unexpected... just as unexpected as seeing priscila awakening...

I don't think Priscilla was lying or putting an act... she actually wanted to die before turning completely into a youma, but simply couldn't hold her youma half and lost herself in the last moment...

I think Irene will survive that wound, because she is seen in the opening fighting alog side clare and others. And comparing to the wounds of Noel an Sophia, her wound doesn't look so deadly.


By the way... some complained about the song playing when Teresa almost executed priscila in the town. It was exactly the same song playing when Clare take care of Elena... it was very fitting for me...

[Matrim]

I was getting ready to bag this episode for being generic shounen tripe and then BAM, plot-twist of the millennium (excuse the hyperbole). Now that's how you execute a plot-twist. Absolutely no warning, and almost blew me out of my chair. I'm more than willing to forgive the bland fight scenes simply because of the impact of that one plot-twist alone.

Quoted for truth.

Not much more to say except Hisakawa Aya being so great that she made me symphatise with Priscilla who is overall quite an unsympatethic character.

[whitepearl]

Thanks, cors8.

And i'm also agreeing with the excellent execution of the plot twist.

[Archmagination2002]

About Teresa having trouble reading an almost awakened Priscilla's energy.. it was because Teresa wasn't using her Yoma energy and was still silver eyed. When she used 10% of her power she was easily able to keep up and read Priscilla's Yoma energy.

The way Priscilla's hand slid to the hilt of her sword while at the same time requesting that Teresa kill her made me think that Priscilla had no intention of dying and was just sucking in Teresa.

[Tarinai]

This was a damn great episode, made me sign up just to post about it! At first it looked like pretty standard shounen with power-ups and stuff, but the twist in the end was really something.

Damn, Priscilla really went nuts :twitch: I didn't expect her to kill Teresa though. Because there was talk before about this being the last episode of this arc (damn spoilers :heh:), and since Clare is a Claymore now and Teresa seemed intent on having her live a normal life, I thought something must have happened to her. But I thought more like maybe Teresa herself will awaken because she'll have to power up once the others do and maybe she won't be able to control it. I didn't expect Priscilla to be the one to do it and kill them all.

One side comment to the person who was talking about Priscilla's hypocrisy before. I get that you're upset about her killing Teresa because so am I, but I think it's wrong to call her a hypocrite. That way you're judging her the same way she was judging Teresa, like she does one thoughtless thing and immediately she's twisted and can't be forgiven. It's not all that black and white. Damn I hate the fact that she killed Teresa though. But she looked kind of hot after her transformation, more so than before :heh:

In a strange way Teresa's own words were prophetic, things don't always work out so ideally in the real world. Logically she should have been able to get a read on Priscilla before she got her, but I guess shock factors in storytelling are also good. I hate that it happened but if it didn't happen it would have been a lot more standard fare.

[KirbyMorph]

Wow, seriously, this is probably the best anime episode I have ever watched. Ive never read the manga and this just blew me away.

I was under the impression since she never released her youma powers, that when the others released theres, she would be forced to use hers and then go insane from all the power and become the main villain at a later date and that would be the reason Claire becomes a Claymore. I was waaaayyyyyyyyy off and this episode basically cemented this series as the best anime Ive watched in years.

[Rowan]

I liked a lot about this episode, but there were two things that bugged me. Priscilla's voice in her half-transformed state was the primary one. It just didn't seem to fit coming out of that creature. I'm actually hoping for some nice synthesizing work on it in the (probable) english dub.

The other thing... drool. Everywhere. For five solid minutes. The drool, man... THE DROOOOOOOL! :upset:

Loved the opening fight, though.

R.

[godraziert]

I liked a lot about this episode, but there were two things that bugged me. Priscilla's voice in her half-transformed state was the primary one. It just didn't seem to fit coming out of that creature. I'm actually hoping for some nice synthesizing work on it in the (probable) english dub.


Heh, that voiced bugged me a little as well. Thank goodness it didn't stay that way in the end. :D

[cors8]

I liked a lot about this episode, but there were two things that bugged me. Priscilla's voice in her half-transformed state was the primary one. It just didn't seem to fit coming out of that creature. I'm actually hoping for some nice synthesizing work on it in the (probable) english dub.

The other thing... drool. Everywhere. For five solid minutes. The drool, man... THE DROOOOOOOL! :upset:

Loved the opening fight, though.

R.

The voice and drool was probably used to show how much of a change she was going through by releasing so much energy.

[4Tran]

Not much more to say except Hisakawa Aya being so great that she made me symphatise with Priscilla who is overall quite an unsympatethic character.
As Tempest35 pointed out in the episode 7 thread, Priscilla is just like a typical shounen fighting protagonist: young, idealistic, and possesses a hidden power. The main difference is that we don't know much about her, so there's little reason to sympathize with her. I noticed that there seems to be quite a difference between the anime-only viewers and the manga-readers over her character. The anime-only ones seem to like her quite a bit more, while several manga-readers have said that they've seen her in a new light. I think that Hisakawa Aya's performance brought out a lot to the character, and made Priscilla that much more human.

I liked a lot about this episode, but there were two things that bugged me. Priscilla's voice in her half-transformed state was the primary one. It just didn't seem to fit coming out of that creature. I'm actually hoping for some nice synthesizing work on it in the (probable) english dub.
The voice was made to sound awful on purpose. It's to show the difference between Priscilla-Claymore, Priscilla-Monster and Awakened Priscilla. All three sound totally different, and their voices also reflect how much control Priscilla has over her actions. Priscilla-Claymore is new to her position, so she's a little indecisive except for her duties, which she follows fanatically. Priscilla-Monster is little more than a berserker with no control; and her attacks, while powerful, have little direction. This lack of control is reflected in her appearance, voice and the drool. Awakened Priscilla, on the other hand, is the very opposite: she is in complete control over herself and everything around her. She's more than human, and her voice, appearance and bearing all reflect this.

[Solace]

I'm not even sure what to say. This episode was just amazing. Between this and last weeks Sola, it's like an overdose of shock.

On a side note, Claire wins the award for the most screwed up childhood ever. I think knowing Teresa was the only thing that kept her sane. What a cruel life. :(

[SimplyEd]

This was a damn great episode, made me sign up just to post about it! At first it looked like pretty standard shounen with power-ups and stuff, but the twist in the end was really something.

One side comment to the person who was talking about Priscilla's hypocrisy before. I get that you're upset about her killing Teresa because so am I, but I think it's wrong to call her a hypocrite. That way you're judging her the same way she was judging Teresa, like she does one thoughtless thing and immediately she's twisted and can't be forgiven. It's not all that black and white.


Hello and welcome to the boards, nice to have you on board.^^

I take it you meant my little exposition back there, if not then please disregard the following few lines.

*sigh* Look, there's a fine line between being upset and writing about what was plainly obvious if one takes his/her time to evaluate what has just happened there. I didn't even judge her unfairly since i even stated my condolences and understanding for her past. After all that, do you or any other individual on this board truly believe that THAT was just one tiny little mistake? Oopsie-daisy..turned into something more dangerous than a youma there, sorry. Let's make up and hug a bit.

I never even said that Teresa, let alone any other Claymore present at that time, was entirely without guilt and sin, i wonder why some people assume such a thing.
Priscillas fault is that she demanded for others to see her as something much pure than she actually was. This delusion ultimately caused her downfall and will cause a lot more pain in the future. (This is not a spoiler, any cognitive being can deduct this with a little bit of thinking).

To close this whole case up: I am NOT upset at Priscilla as a human being, but at her limited point of view and what has become of her. Fairness can be given but there comes a point where actions can no longer justify the means. Priscilla may not fit into a black&white sceme but right now she qualifies for a very dark shade of gray.

Teresas death was very depressing, in the manga and even more so in the anime. Ultimately it marked the end of an era and the beginning of a legend..or was it vice versa? Anyway, it was a very powerful moment of this series, no doubt.

[Deathkillz]

As Tempest35 pointed out in the episode 7 thread, Priscilla is just like a typical shounen fighting protagonist: young, idealistic, and possesses a hidden power. The main difference is that we don't know much about her, so there's little reason to sympathize with her. I noticed that there seems to be quite a difference between the anime-only viewers and the manga-readers over her character. The anime-only ones seem to like her quite a bit more, while several manga-readers have said that they've seen her in a new light. I think that Hisakawa Aya's performance brought out a lot to the character, and made Priscilla that much more human.

we were given hints of her past about her family being eaten in front of her "bla bla" ~ but thats all it was for me...im just left thinking "so what?" ~ yea her family was killed but that was at the hands of a youma...so why is she telling teresa to return her dad to her? the logic just doesnt add up and therefore i cant seem to feel for Priscilla's position...

[Tarinai]

Hello and welcome to the boards, nice to have you on board.^^

Thanks for the welcome but after that you start losing me. Are you trying to say that there are a bunch of hypocrites here? After the definition you posted before, I don't know what else to make of your idea that people who don't agree with you can't possibly truly believe what they do.

I don't see how Priscilla turning into a youma means that she was a hypocrite. She just didn't realize her limitations, it's not like she wanted to turn into a youma. What the awakened one said about it feeling good was no longer the human Priscilla speaking. And what do you mean Priscilla demanded others to see her as more pure, I don't remember her demanding that.

[Fenrir_valindri]

Heh as expected this episode generated alot of response :D

About Awakaned Priscilla, in all honesty I do not believe that even Teresa would have been able to fight against it even fully aware and releasing 80% of her Yoma power. People seem to misunderstand what releasing Yoma energy does, It does appear to make the user faster/stronger but by no means has it been even hinted that it increase actual reaction speed or in Teresa's case, improve her sensing abilities.

So the entire "wall of energy" effect of Priscilla's attacks would have remained, and even if Teresa was able to sense it, it is very likely that with Awakened Priscilla's speed, she would not have been able to react anyway.

From what I understand Awakening is not only 100% power, it transforms them into something entirely different and superior to what they once were. Berzerk Priscilla was probably much stronger then Teresa, but Teresa simply had much more control and more experience.

Those advantages would have crumbled before Awakened Priscilla :eyespin:

[ArmisaelXVIII]

I wonder if it'll be posible to go above 80% and still be able to keep their humanity...

Claire was already able to stop herself of going out of control once...

[theacefrehley]

Just a question:
I never read the manga but I know it has something around 72 or 74 chapters
About this episode 8, wich chaper is it in the manga?

I'm just trying to guess up to where in the manga the anime will reach, since it looks like a 24 or 26 episodes anime... If it's like death note with 37 episodes it'd be great :D

[Kamel]

Whole flashback arc shown that underestimating Teresa is a grave mistake. Who knows how much power would she be able to generate faced with overwhelming power. I think that although she would not win it would still be quite a fight.

On the other hand in fight - awakened Teresa vs awakened Pricilla ......I don't have any doubts as to who would win that one. :D

[Mentar]

Just a question:
I never read the manga but I know it has something around 72 or 74 chapters
About this episode 8, wich chaper is it in the manga?

The anime is halfway through chapter 24 by now.

[Fatsobob]

M Night Shyamalan was here
WHAT A TWIST!
http://www.figtography.com/Blog/2006/Apr/Faces/NightJorge.jpg

[Sorrow-K]

M. Night Shyamalan's twists are more ironic and quirky (when they're not crap, that is *cough* Signs *cough*) and are generally carefully built up to over the entire course of his films. This was more, BAM, unexpected, high-impact event, bet you didn't see that coming, har har.

[SimplyEd]

Thanks for the welcome but after that you start losing me. Are you trying to say that there are a bunch of hypocrites here? After the definition you posted before, I don't know what else to make of your idea that people who don't agree with you can't possibly truly believe what they do.

I don't see how Priscilla turning into a youma means that she was a hypocrite. She just didn't realize her limitations, it's not like she wanted to turn into a youma. What the awakened one said about it feeling good was no longer the human Priscilla speaking. And what do you mean Priscilla demanded others to see her as more pure, I don't remember her demanding that.

No, nothing of that sort. I wrote about Priscilla, not about anyone on this board. It has nothing to do with whether i want to influence others with my opinion. I'm just writing what i think about..well, exactly what i wrote about. Why should other people be hypocrites, i never wrote that.
You wrote that you think it's not right to think of Priscilla as a hypocrite and i answered to that with my own opinion. I think that Claymore Priscilla was/is one. I don't want to convince you. I just state my point of view.

Furthermore: I admit that "demand" was probably not the best choice of words, so i'll change it into "expects and manipulates". When she first appeared before the other single-digits, what did she do? She acted like a clumsy airhead. She went so far as to appear almost useless and submissive there. The next thing we learn is about her way of operating in reality. She did not only kill those youma there, she virtually slaughtered them. Even to such an extend that the other Claymores (experienced and even somewhat indifferent fighters) were shocked, if not disgusted.

In the next few frames, when Irene continues to comment on what she knows of Priscilla, notice how her whole demeanor changes after her actions have been found out? She does the same after Teresa tells her off and she realizes that she can't win against her any longer. She doesn't understand why and she really doesn't even want to understand. "Unforgiveable" comes to mind.

Next, her whole speech to Teresa and her thoughts during their clash. They give quite an impression of how she views herself and how others should view her, for that matter.

Seriously, i can't really believe that all i wrote was so misunderstandable. I appreciate your posts cause they showed me that,obviously, i have to go much more into detail in the future. Hopefully there won't be any more misunderstandings.:(

. People seem to misunderstand what releasing Yoma energy does, It does appear to make the user faster/stronger but by no means has it been even hinted that it increase actual reaction speed or in Teresa's case, improve her sensing abilities.

Hmm, but that's exactly what it does. By releasing youki you effectivly remove your inner inhibitors which keep it at a certain level. Claymores can redirect youki into whatever body-part they want, which will be followed by an increase in that parts inate abilities. I'll grant it that a Claymores natural abilities can only be furthered that far, even when utilizing youki.

As for Teresa. Her youki reading is much more passive than it active. It's an ability she can always use at peak. So it's not that much tied to her youki output, true. When she goes into 10% mode, she does so because her opponent just went over 80%. Priscillas abilities were vastly increased, all of them. Teresas convential fighting style without using youki wasn't enough any more.

[JaeEleutheria]

I personally believe that what happened to Priscilla was primarily due to her inexperience in battle. She never should have been made Number 2 so early and I wonder why she was even made that with her lack of experience.

I don't think it makes her a hypocrite, because she didn't even know or understand her own limits. Everyone can become a slave to their emotions, especially in times where they cannot control it.

[Scep]

For someone who hadn't thought that teresa would die.... omg o.O that was so totally wtf. 1 second, her arms are gone. Another second, her head is gone. Never expected teresa to die so quickly, even though it was probably time already. ON another hand, im kinda happy that the thing in the OP was priscilla, as I was getting kinda scared that clare would become evil or become a youma.

[Anh_Minh]

Well, it seems the denial is quite strong in me. First I "procrastinated" on watching the ep because I didn't want to see its end. I did this for various other animes, too.

Then I spent the episode telling myself that maybe this time, it would end differently. And if I ever watch the episode again, I'll do it again. :(

Poor Theresa.

[Varis]

I think Theresa could have beaten Priscilla even awakened. It's not that Teresa is stronger, but she will be able to predict her moves. Perhaps she would have to release to 50% who knows.. but I think it would be possible.

In a real swordfight it's hard to land a hit because at a point, your opponent will dodge or parry anything you throw at them. Even faints are tough because if the reflex is trained enough, they can compensate in time.

I find the only way to land a hit is find out what kind of reaction he/she has to a certain attack. Provoke that reaction and you know where her sword will be and so get your opening. If the opponent is inexperienced things get far easier because just being faster will do the trick but let's assume all claymores are experts at swordfighting :D

Teresa knows exactly what you will do from the start though... no matter how good the opponent is, every attack they do has an opening. It's just a matter of time before Teresa will land a hit even if they are faster, stronger and more skilled then her.





That's why Priscilla did better with her yoma suppressed then when she released.

[Anh_Minh]

Gah, sorry, wrong thread. Hope nobody read it.

[Forever]

To be merciful to your enemy is to be cruel to yourself. Bye Bye Teresa and back to Clare.

[Defiled one]

I think this gave us a hard blow in the anime Claymore. No matter how strong you are, the body is not above anyone else, only your skill.

Teresa and Priscilla. I ask myself why did she asked Teresa, to bring back her papa? Perhaps she was allucinating...who knows?

[Kouvley]

Teresa and Priscilla. I ask myself why did she asked Teresa, to bring back her papa? Perhaps she was allucinating...who knows?

I think Priscilla's mind had gone back to the time when her family was killed and she just pictured Teresa as the youma out of fear.

edit: Much better analysis from Tempest35 below, excellent post.

[Tempest35]

For Priscilla going on and on about her papa while she was mentally cracking - I cite the Kenshin Himura vs Seta Soujirou fight. Soujirou cracked on Kenshin because Kenshin stood for something in direct opposition to his belief system. Despite his self-training never to show emotion, the fact that Kenshin was fighting him to save Japan from Makoto and not just so that he could fight to get stronger, really got under Soujirou's skin. The weak were suppose to be devoured by the strong, according to the doctrine that Soujirou was taught, but here was someone just as strong as Makoto fighting for the weak. So, like all good mentally unstable children do, they push the sins of the past upon those trying to save them and make them the target of their hate.

With what I just said, I sense that when Teresa spared Priscilla, that was a 'slap' in the face for her. She had killed the youma who had taken over her father's body, but the shock of it never left her. In her heart of hearts, she hates herself so much for killing her father, even though logically, she knows that her true father had been devoured long ago. So she put that hate onto Youma and killed them indiscriminately. When she learned of the traitor - someone who had killed humans - she projected that self-loathing onto Teresa. She wasn't really fighting Teresa, she was fighting herself - her own self-image of a murderer. She wanted so much to triumph over her own past self-image that she just snapped when Teresa beat her - then worse - spared her.

She wanted to win, she wanted to win so badly - to exorcise the ghost of her father haunting her in her own mind. If she beat the murderer of humans with her own strength, she probably would have felt herself vindicated of her 'great sin'.

As for at the end, I can't tell - something just switched over and Priscilla went dark side. Her desire to remain human was overridden by the desire to kill Teresa and the rush she felt from killing Teresa, the 'vindication' that she wanted, made her Awaken. I think that Teresa genuinely wanted to save her. She didn't want to have to kill her but she did so with as much compassion as she could muster - letting her power go back down to normal. As a human, she would have ended Priscilla's life and not with her eyes glowing like a Youma.


Yay, so I haven't forgotten how to write out long replies... :heh:

[Defiled one]

:bow: FINALY!! "CLAPS"

A person who trully knows what Priscilla mentality was and didn`t compared her as a villain, but rather as an Antagonist with different beliefs.

:bow: I salute you! You truly explained why people sympathize with her.

[SimplyEd]

@ Tempest35


We seem to think on the same wavelength there. Nice exposition! :)

[piccu]

I cried :( that's the first time I've ever cried because of an anime
and everytime I listen to the OP and ED I still feel so extremely sad...
At first I was too skocked to cry but when Clare started to weep I couldn't stop it anymore...
I had premonitions already that Teresa is going to die, but it's still difficult for me to accept my favourite character's death. Poor Clare, but this finally explains her reasons of becoming a Claymore.
But this was seriously the most shocking plot-twist I've seen, since I didn't expect Priscilla to turn into a super Yoma and killing Teresa like that.

[LCeh]

Great post Tempest. It's not that difficult to understand Priscilla's action if we give it some thought, and you put it really nicely.

As for at the end, I can't tell - something just switched over and Priscilla went dark side. Her desire to remain human was overridden by the desire to kill Teresa and the rush she felt from killing Teresa, the 'vindication' that she wanted, made her Awaken. I think that Teresa genuinely wanted to save her. She didn't want to have to kill her but she did so with as much compassion as she could muster - letting her power go back down to normal. As a human, she would have ended Priscilla's life and not with her eyes glowing like a Youma.


Yay, so I haven't forgotten how to write out long replies... :heh:

I think it was simply a matter of her awakening cause of going too far over the limit, the instant before she awakened, she was still human and begged for Teresa to kill her, but the moment she awakened, her desires took over and she wanted to live again. This huge change in her way of thinking only took one instant, which is why Teresa did not even have time to react.

[ArmisaelXVIII]

We shouldn't forget that Teresa herself said that priscilla was releasing to much youki that she just couldn't read...






With what I just said, I sense that when Teresa spared Priscilla, that was a 'slap' in the face for her. She had killed the youma who had taken over her father's body, but the shock of it never left her. In her heart of hearts, she hates herself so much for killing her father, even though logically, she knows that her true father had been devoured long ago. So she put that hate onto Youma and killed them indiscriminately. When she learned of the traitor - someone who had killed humans - she projected that self-loathing onto Teresa. She wasn't really fighting Teresa, she was fighting herself - her own self-image of a murderer. She wanted so much to triumph over her own past self-image that she just snapped when Teresa beat her - then worse - spared her.



I would like to state that I do not agree with your point of view about priscilla... she is just too innocent for me...

That said, I think you should also add to that you said that priscilla first rejected to stab Teresa when she was jumping out the window and also disapprove to fight 4vs1 , but when she talks about her past, she said that she "crept" behind the youma that killed her family, and beheaded it from behind...

(btw... For a human child to be able to kill a youma is at least impresive..)

[Tempest35]

*looks around* ... ah, thanks? :heh:

I had a point of view about Priscilla...? Heh, just messing. Anyway, it's fine. I based all of what I said about Priscilla from what I have seen with other anime characters that go along the same character path that she had. For one in recent memory, from Bleach I choose Kaname Tousen! *throws Pokeball*

He, like Priscilla, loved all that is fair and right and justice-based. And for those who don't know him, don't worry; for those who do, you should know the immediate parallel that I'm trying to draw between them.

Basically, I feel that Priscilla wanted to prove herself and her way of doing things to not only be morally right but to be an 'absolute right'. Yes, she was young and all young people are idealistic in some way, shape, or form but let's remember that she's staring down THE STRONGEST CLAYMORE in the history of the Organization that spawned them at the time.

Irene was correct in assuming that Priscilla had the best chance against Teresa but she didn't take into account that Priscilla being so young, was fighting a veteran who had unknown battle experience as well as a world view that had seen both the good and the bad side of humans as well as Youma. Priscilla did not have that. I feel that what Priscilla had was a 'blind faith' - faith of a child - in what the Organization told her. They probably told her that it was not only right of her to kill that Youma, but that it was also righteous.
It's hard to shake that kind of faith but once it's gone, the damage is trememdous. While fighting Teresa, her faith in herself and in her brand of 'justice' became shaken to the core.

Justice may be blind, but justice is not 'innocence'.

Justice is suppose to always win. That thought was probably in her mind, and to some degree, it is in our own. Because that youma killed her family, she was able to kill it on her own because it was the 'right' thing. Teresa killed humans, an unforgivable act that puts a Claymore at the same level as the filthy Youma that they hunt. Justice demanded of Priscilla that the murderer be put down. In doing so, she was also vindicating herself of the ghost/memory of her father that died because of the youma that she killed. Logically, she knew that she had killed a Youma - a Youma that was proably wearing her father's face at the time - but at the same time, in her heart, the same little girl who managed to kill that Youma also killed the man who called her 'his baby girl', tucked her in at night, held her up high and carried her around on his shoulders.
"Why is Papa eating Mama?" Can anyone imagine the sheer trauma that would inflict on a little girl?

[Deathkillz]

Justice may be blind, but justice is not 'innocence'.
boy...death note just popped into my mind :heh:

Logically, she knew that she had killed a Youma - a Youma that was proably wearing her father's face at the time - but at the same time, in her heart, the same little girl who managed to kill that Youma also killed the man who called her 'his baby girl', tucked her in at night, held her up high and carried her around on his shoulders.
"Why is Papa eating Mama?" Can anyone imagine the sheer trauma that would inflict on a little girl?
great point! with this i can actually pity Priscilla a bit more for what she did...i can imagine the trauma she must have felt but being unable to blame herself she puts all her might into killing youmas ~ but when anying else (claymore) besides a youma kills a human then she will actually have the same impact that the claymore is on the same level as the youmas...and therefore much be eliminated (lol) ~ but thats her downfall...and i love teresa too much to care about Priscilla too deeply :/

[ArmisaelXVIII]

I just wanted to say that she rejected to fight teresa with the help of the other claymores, and rejected to stab her... just because it was not righteous...

But she treacherously killed a youma when it was distracted, and now she did the same to Teresa... (supposing that she make teresa feel pitty for her on purpose :P)

PS:I just noticed, thanks to what you said, that the youma was disguised as his father... x.x It should have been very dificult for her... in physical and mental terms x.x

[full metal x]

Priscilla has potential it just that she hasn't have experience to test her limit to the fullest. Then came Teresa when Priscilla was down and about to go out couple of feet away from Teresa. She just had to unleash all her raw power and killed Teresa. she was still a child

[7thFonon]

^^^Priscilla unleashing her power did not kill Teresa, It was definitely trickery.
Teresa was at the 10% youma mark while Priscilla was at like 85%. Pricilla was no match for Teresa.

[SimplyEd]

A very disturbed child and far from being innocent. A tragic victim? Most certainly. It's a very sad thing that happened to her and her family back then. Should one pity her? Just as much as any other Claymore or human survivors of youma attacks.

All Claymores share the same danger of ending up like Priscilla. All of them are victims, yet there's still the matter that they themselves can bring about their ultimate fate. It's their decisions that brings about their doom or their salvation.
For me, it's better to judge them on their actions (decisions), rather than on their supposed image.

Priscilla could have stopped fighting the moment when Teresa showed mercy on her.
The old Teresa would probably not have shown any mercy at all, but Clares influence on her made her change her old ways. She decided to reevaluate herself and change herself because she found something she thought lost.

Priscilla was ultimately consumed by her losses, but her own doom ,she brought about herself. That was her decision. Not that of the youma inside her, not that of herself awakened.
The same holds true for Teresa. Both situations are very regrettable and depressing.

[zoozoc]

i wonder when they will show us that the yoma arn't all mindless monsters after all....

[Xellos-_^]

i wonder when they will show us that the yoma arn't all mindless monsters after all....

The Yoma form Ep1 wasn't mindless
The Yoma form Ep2 wasn't mindless
The Yoma hiding in the church wasn't mindless

[Negativedark]

Cocky yes. But far from mindless. They are able to perfectly imatate people, not just physically, but in how they act, and knowledge. Raki didn't suspect a thing with that first Yoma imatating his brother, until it was ready to eat him.

[Justice Knight]

gave a 10 for this ep,stupid pricilla using a cheapo trick on teresa.

btw i have a Q here
all claymores have yellow hair right? y does irene has a diff color?

[Xellos-_^]

gave a 10 for this ep,stupid pricilla using a cheapo trick on teresa.

btw i have a Q here
all claymores have yellow hair right? y does irene has a diff color?

The all have silver hair and silver eye. When they using their Yoma powers their eyes turn gold.

[Amirali]

Cocky yes. But far from mindless. They are able to perfectly imatate people, not just physically, but in how they act, and knowledge. Raki didn't suspect a thing with that first Yoma imatating his brother, until it was ready to eat him.


I wouldn't say yoma are mindless in the sense that they have no intelligence/sentience........they're clearly crafty and sentient. Unfortunately, its just that they don't seem to be driven by anyrthing other than survival/ hunger for guts. That shallow motivation means that they all seem simlar; just like there isn't much difference between hungry lions.

To make more well-rounded characters/villains , I think they need more of a purpose then "I want to eat guts". In this episode, Priscilla displayed seeds of intriguing motivations in her idealism, self-righteousness, pride and other traits. For her to remain interesting, I hope she doesn't lose that character development after awakening to become merely a "I want to devour all humans, especially weak claymores" type monster. That latter quality could be part of what defines her later, but that should not be all of it.

[Negativedark]

I wouldn't say yoma are mindless in the sense that they have no intelligence/sentience........they're clearly crafty and sentient. Unfortunately, its just that they don't seem to be driven by anyrthing other than survival/ hunger for guts. That shallow motivation means that they all seem simlar; just like there isn't much difference between hungry lions.

To make more well-rounded characters/villains , I think they need more of a purpose then "I want to eat guts". In this episode, Priscilla displayed seeds of intriguing motivations in her idealism, self-righteousness, pride and other traits. For her to remain interesting, I hope she doesn't lose that character development after awakening to become merely a "I want to devour all humans, especially weak claymores" type monster. That latter quality could be part of what defines her later, but that should not be all of it.

Yeah. Some of the most destructive villians in fiction are those who have rightous ambitions. They can do just as much damage as someone trying to take over the world to rule it, and the fact they were trying to "help" just makes it worse.

[whitepearl]

The all have silver hair and silver eye. When they using their Yoma powers their eyes turn gold.

Though Irene's hair (and skin color) is closer to a silvery-white.

Even her ears are noticeably different than those of other Claymores.

[grss1982]

Just saw and last nyt and I'll give it a 10.

But, if you ask me to view it again I WONT!!! Even if you pay me a million bucks I still won't rewatch episode 8.

YES, it was that heart wrenching to watch for me. :-(

Preview for the next episode (Slashers Arc???) seems nice though. :-)

With episode 8, Claymore has cemented itself as one of my "TO WATCH" Anime fopr this year. :-) Hope Madhouse keeps the quality up. ^_^

[Deathkillz]

Though Irene's hair (and skin color) is closer to a silvery-white.

Even her ears are noticeably different than those of other Claymores.
there are lots of different humans out there...and irene so happens to look like an elf thats all...:heh:

[ArmisaelXVIII]

All the youma we have seen are moved by instincts that really make them seem stupid or mindless... even though all of them have played some kind of trick or strategy in battle...

[SimplyEd]

All the youma we have seen are moved by instincts that really make them seem stupid or mindless... even though all of them have played some kind of trick or strategy in battle...




Small correction. Just like most predators on earth, they can be considered cunning. They certainly are intelligent, though maybe not as much as humans. Most of them don't have to be overly intelligent though, since they are naturally stronger than humans and thus can overwhelm them with brute force, if need be. Yet, they mostly rely on stealth and trickery for most of the time.

[ashe]

what a cheap shot, just after priscilla kept talking non-stop about fairness and honor (ep.7) in fighting with teresa she became desperate and resorted to such in the end. poor teresa, i'm just starting to like her.. but what an awesome episode! ruthless and cunning sure is fun. heads roll literally :)

[Negativedark]

All the youma we have seen are moved by instincts that really make them seem stupid or mindless... even though all of them have played some kind of trick or strategy in battle...




It's possible for an highly intellegent bieng to be driven by it's instincts, even if it's more intellegent than a human. IQ doesn't determine what you do so much as how well you do it. Sorta like the Star Trek episode where Spock has to go back to Vulcan to mate. He's possibly the smartest person on the Enterprise, but his instincts compleatly take over.

[Amirali]

It's possible for an highly intellegent bieng to be driven by it's instincts, even if it's more intellegent than a human. IQ doesn't determine what you do so much as how well you do it. Sorta like the Star Trek episode where Spock has to go back to Vulcan to mate. He's possibly the smartest person on the Enterprise, but his instincts compleatly take over.

Not entirely relevant to your comment of course (and a little off topic from this episode) but..........can we expect to see youma mating at some point? Maybe youma mating with humans? The only instinct we've seen them display so far is hunger; wouldn't be too much of an extension to see some other primal instincts at a later point :P?

[Tempest35]

Of course. That's why there's Raki. :D

[Defiled one]

Not entirely relevant to your comment of course (and a little off topic from this episode) but..........can we expect to see youma mating at some point? Maybe youma mating with humans? The only instinct we've seen them display so far is hunger; wouldn't be too much of an extension to see some other primal instincts at a later point :P?


Some are speculated to "forcibly mate with humans" But it was never stated "truly"
Only small hints. Youmas mate with other Youmas for offsring of course, my guess. :cool: Although in episode one...raki and miss youma in disguise.:uhoh:

[SimplyEd]

Of course. That's why there's Raki. :D

Oh boy, i guess we just found out the main attraction for future doujin escapades.

[silix]

Some are speculated to "forcibly mate with humans" But it was never stated "truly" well, it is more or less explicitly said that Clare was repeatedly raped (i saw "sodomised" somewhere, maybe on the wikipedia article) by the Yoma Theresa killed in ep. 5 ...:uhoh:
Only small hints. Youmas mate with other Youmas for offsring of course, my guess. :cool: Although in episode one...raki and miss youma in disguise.:uhoh:actually, do they?
AFAIK there's no clear indication about the way Yomas reproduce, nor to whether they are or not a sexuated species...having never seen a female yoma, one could even theorize that all Yomas are born hermaphrodites ...

[Xellos-_^]

well, it is more or less explicitly said that Clare was repeatedly raped (i saw "sodomised" somewhere, maybe on the wikipedia article) by the Yoma Theresa killed in ep. 5 ...:uhoh:
actually, do they?



That is a fan interperation, the manga in chinese and english state Claire was abuse. Nothing about it being physical or sexual.

[Defiled one]

I have to disagree, she was physically abused. Her back was bruised among other places. At least we are certain that she was beaten. That is a fact, not fan speculated, now about the reprodution ...I have no idea if it is true.

I guess people start wondering this way because when Teresa was being, you know with the thief "Handy-kun". Clare attacked him and after she got beaten, she spoke to Teresa.

"Hur...rt...no?"

A person can`t really understand what she was meaning or refering. We don´t know if it was the wound or the action itself. But if we first see where her eyes look. We can see that she was looking at Teresa and then, to the wound. You can`t know for certain. No one can. Maybe I don´t even want to know.

But I know one thing, that scene trully traumatized Clare to the point of crying, hugging Teresa and for the first time, speak to her. She had never been so comitted in facing and fighting the thief off Teresa.

[Tempest35]

It's true that people will react almost unconsciously to something like that. Clare wanted to save Teresa from that. She probably thought that Mr. Nice Hand was doing something similar like what happened to her so *picks up stick* and -WHACK-. She wasn't going to let something like that happen to her Teresa. ;)
She was protecting Teresa in her own way. (awww~)

[Defiled one]

That`s my point. Was Clare defending Teresa because she thought the thief was attaking? Or she knew, that the thief was there for the "pillaging"?

In both cases, Clare would have the same reaction. For reasoning was not needed in aiding Teresa.

[Deathkillz]

That`s my point. Was Clare defending Teresa because she thought the thief was attaking? Or she knew, that the thief was there for the "pillaging"?

In both cases, Clare would have the same reaction. For reasoning was not needed in aiding Teresa.
well you cant tell for sure what it was but clare knew that teresa was in pain ~ and thats all that is needed for her to protect someone who can very well fend for herself but chooses not to...(clare is soo moe im gonna die!!! *__*)

[Tempest35]

I vote for the 'pillaging'.

Serious comment ahead...
And yes, I am indirectly voting that Clare was physically, mentally, and most likely sexually abused. Men (even youma pretending to be men) won't keep young girls around Clare's age just to have a punching bag. Sorry if that offends anyone but that's a very real truth in today's RL world as well.

[Anh_Minh]

For one thing, physical abuse doesn't have to turn sexual. For another, there was a practical reason they kept Clare around: it was so they wouldn't be suspected of being youmas.

Also, we have no idea if youmas even have sexual urges, or if they find humans attractive that way. (I mean, do you want to have sex with a youma? Why would you assume they would want to have sex with us?)

I'm not saying it's impossible. But so far, they haven't shown anything in that direction.

[Defiled one]

The memories. Youmas know everything about humans by using the memories inside the brain. Episode one made the Youma cry involuntary due to the memories. Physical manisfestations.....

But it doesn`t mean anything of course.

Youmas see humans as food, they kill humans for feeding. We know they can talk and befriend with each other in large groups. And know our language pretty well.

Factor Clare still reamins unknown to me. About the Youmas.

[Tempest35]

Well, I hope more than anyone that any abuse Clare suffered whlie with the youma was just limited to physical and mental.

In regards to the youma having sexual urges... Now if the youma kept up female human appearance, I'd probably be none the wiser until after my guts had been ripped out. So personally I'd stick with hanging around Claymores - if she walks by the woman, she's human. If she cleaves, it was a Youma. :D

[Whitemoon648]

Such a sad episode, I want to cry :upset:. Why did she have to die like that, NOOOOOO . Poor Teresa :upset:.

[HinaThePrince]

But so far, they haven't shown anything in that direction.

http://aycu04.webshots.com/image/18163/2004470480708917274_rs.jpg

[Tempest35]

Ahaha! There's that picture. Seems that a few Youma are pedos too. At least the one who had Clare was.

[Defiled one]

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3784/28146478xk7.jpg
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From the anime....The youma did things...bad things. You just have to slow down the episode really slowly. Episode one has it

[dutchman]

http://aycu04.webshots.com/image/18163/2004470480708917274_rs.jpg

Ahaha! There's that picture. Seems that a few Youma are pedos too. At least the one who had Clare was.

Could it maybe be the influence of the remaining 'human' memories just like in the ep1 where Raki's brother was crying when the yoma had revealed itself.

Maybe the human which served as cover for the yoma which kept Clare in captivity. Had a thing for young girls and thus influenced the behaviour of the yoma.

It would be sad if such a low instinct had to come of the human side and not from the yoma who I consider more as an natural predator.

[Anh_Minh]

http://aycu04.webshots.com/image/18163/2004470480708917274_rs.jpg

I don't remember that scene. Where is it from?

[HinaThePrince]

Maybe the human which served as cover for the yoma which kept Clare in captivity. Had a thing for young girls and thus influenced the behaviour of the yoma.

But that's Clare's brother. \:

I don't remember that scene. Where is it from?

Chapter 3, "Memories of a Witch", or episode 1 of the anime.

[dutchman]

But that's Clare's brother. \:



Chapter 3, "Memories of a Witch", or episode 1 of the anime.

Ack what a sick brother he was then :twitch:

Aw well i guess unless the brother had indeed a loli sis complex. I guess this theory won't hold up at all.:heh:

[Defiled one]

Continuation

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And the final...What person also was in this position? Teresa...

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[Anh_Minh]

But that's Clare's brother. \:



Chapter 3, "Memories of a Witch", or episode 1 of the anime.

Ah. Then it doesn't look like sexual abuse to me. It looks like, back when the author hadn't written "Theresa of the Faint Smile" yet, Clare's story was exactly like Raki's: she didn't know, but her brother had been replaced by a yoma. When a Claymore arrived in town, it ate the rest of her family, but Clare was saved in the nick of time from having her entrails devoured.

[SimplyEd]

Yeah, i would think the same. All those images are still not exactly hard proof for sexual abuse.
There's just too much room left for interpretation. We know for sure that she was beaten up a lot. Some of the scars were still fresh, when Teresa released her back then.
as for the naked youma. I think that was when it freshly assumed human form and Clare witnessed that. Then she got captured and thankfully not killed on the spot. Maybe because of the latent emotions still left in the human form.

[Tempest35]

So the Youma was Clare's brother, eh? Then it can be true about there not being sexual abuse...still, that Youma had Clare around for a while. Long enough for the townspeople to know that she had been beaten a few times but didn't do anything.

And from ep 1 we also know that Youma also take sadistic pleasure in taunting people, espcially their prey. Hell, the one that Teresa dispatched for free looked like he was going to devour that kid right there in front of the town, knowing full well that none of them could stop it.

If that is proven to be Clare's brother that the Youma inhabited, only bad part about his death was that Teresa didn't take her time carving him up like she did to Arm-kun. For some personal relationships, only a few things are worse than dying by a loved one's hand and a sister being raped by her brother would be definitely one of them. I wouldn't put it past a Youma to assume a boy's body, devour his parents and then go rape his sister afterward just for the hell of it. It most likely didn't happen to Clare in this story (I really hope not), but for the senario to play itself out in the Claymore world, it still remains a possibility in my mind.

[HinaThePrince]

So the Youma was Clare's brother, eh?

No, no. The Youma in the picture was Clare's brother, the one who kept Clare around as his punching bag was a different one.

[Tempest35]

So...*scratches head*...ah bugger...I think I'll just re-read then re-watch again... not today though...tomorrow. Yeah, less headache tomorrow. :heh:

[Last_Hope]

So far I´ve only been reading in here but after this episode I feel I need to write something. I doubt it´ll contribute much to the very interesting discussions in here but I just need to get this off my chest. :)

Theresa´s death. As soon as the little girl started following her I was so sure either one of them would die. When she named the girl Clare I was so sure she was going to die. But, you know, things looked so good for her one second before her hands and head was chopped off by Priscilla. I actually didn´t realize at first what had happened.
(I started watching Hayate no Gotoku right after this episode but 5-6 minutes in it came down on me. WTF Theresa died! So I stopped the episode and came running in here. :heh: )

So expected yet so suprising.

As a non-manga reader I didn´t either understand that this was a flashback. I thought it was a side-story and that perhaps Clare would be sent after Theresa but I guess not. :heh: So if this is a flashback then the only guess I can make would be that Clare (the little girl) is Clare (the Claymore) and that also makes her words to Raki feel very much emotionally loaded. Not just something said haphazardly because he´s annoying (which I think he is :heh: ) but something coming from deep within her.

I guess I´m done. :)

[IMSabbel]

Ah. Then it doesn't look like sexual abuse to me.

Would you like a bride? I have one to sell....
how much would you need to see to believe its rape? A penetrating penis?

[Anh_Minh]

That'd do it.

I just don't understand that insistence that there must be something sexual between youmas and lolis. (As if the anthropophagy thing wasn't enough.) I like tentacle hentai as much as the next guy, provided the next guy doesn't like it too much, but I don't have to see it everywhere.

Also, do you believe youma penises protrude from their knees?

[Defiled one]

Actualy, people just want to know how the hell Youmas started to appear and since people compare them as demons. Demons were known at least the succubus and incubus to...!"#$ young males and girls.

[Anh_Minh]

Wrong mythology.

Anyway, we already know how youmas get energy from young males and girls. And adults. And little children.

They eat them.

[Deathkillz]

Continuation

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this is clare's brother right? if so i can find the meaning behind those tears...

youma's are fcking sick bastards...this is torture to watch :twitch:

[HinaThePrince]

I just don't understand that insistence that there must be something sexual between youmas and lolis.

You haven't read the manga, have you?

Anyway. He is between her legs and lifting her dress. Seriously. You'd have to be six years old or just deeply in denial not to get what's going on in there.

[Anh_Minh]

You haven't read the manga, have you?
Actually, I have.

Anyway. He is between her legs and lifting her dress. Seriously. You'd have to be six years old or just deeply in denial not to get what's going on in there.
He's not lifting her dress. He's pinning her arms. And savoring her fear and his power over her. That sadism may be something he and human rapists have in common, but they don't have to share the same sexual appetites.

[HinaThePrince]

He's not lifting her dress.

Look at the folds on her dress. It definitely looks like it's folded upwards, which means her lower part is bare.

[Anh_Minh]

It probably bunched up when she got on the ground and/or when she lifted her leg. Look at the first picture, it's already folded like that, and it still comes down to her thighs. And even if he'd lifted her dress - need I remind you what youmas eat?

[SimplyEd]

This is getting more and more ridiculous with each post.
Why are you insisting that there definitely was a rape? You should probably read the manga yourself there, and i mean the japanese version. There's not a single word of rape. The panels do not show a rape. The youma pins her down and does not lift her dress. Look at the following panels when the youma gets sliced. He was about to kill Clare, not rape her.
Even if you don't want to believe otherwise, you'd have to, at least, admit that there's not enough proof.

[HinaThePrince]

This is getting more and more ridiculous with each post.
Why are you insisting that there definitely was a rape? You should probably read the manga yourself there, and i mean the japanese version.

I don't read Japanese. But I think I can trust the scanlations. And it never says "sex", either, even though it's there. I'm not saying the rape is DEFINITELY there, but I am saying it sure looks like it. Yagi-sama's way of spinning the story is more a "show, don't tell" one, anyway. He never told us directly "THIS IS A FLASHBACK" in the Teresa arc, and half the fandom was convinced there are two Clares. It's a basic skill of picking up what's between the lines. Not everything has to be spoon-fed for you.

[SimplyEd]

The danger with reading between the lines lies in the possibility that you're starting to see stuff that isn't there.
As for the remembrance. I was never confused about it depicting the past, just as many other people. Just because some people are confused, that doesn't mean that everything is just a blurry, indirect way of storytelling that needs to be surgically cut open and than read between the lines with a bag full of fantasy.

Sorry if this sounds aggrevated. I'm not in a bad mood or something.

[HinaThePrince]

As for the remembrance. I was never confused about it depicting the past, just as many other people

I know, I said "half the fandom", not "all of it".

that doesn't mean that everything is just a blurry, indirect way of storytelling that needs to be surgically cut open and than read between the lines with a bag full of fantasy.

But that makes everything so much more fun!

...Or maybe I just watch too much Utena, whatever. D:

[Defiled one]

The danger with reading between the lines lies in the possibility that you're starting to see stuff that isn't there.
As for the remembrance. I was never confused about it depicting the past, just as many other people. Just because some people are confused, that doesn't mean that everything is just a blurry, indirect way of storytelling that needs to be surgically cut open and than read between the lines with a bag full of fantasy.

Sorry if this sounds aggrevated. I'm not in a bad mood or something.


But that`s the fun part:heh:!!

[SimplyEd]

Apparently, it would seem so. :rolleyes:

[BlackMadonna]

I'm still in shock O______________O
I hate pricilla, dat's official. >< She killed Teresa by employing dirty tricks, never in a million years would she have killed her if she didn't used sneaky tactics.
I wish we could get to see more of teresa in future episodes, she had just become my favorite character ;__;

[Tempest35]

Okay, let's just drop that little bit about the abuse thing - let it be debated in fanfiction. I'm not going to ruin my head anymore trying to figure it out officially. Besides, this is suppose to be the thread about Priscilla's and Teresa's respective downfalls, not about Clare's past abuse...

If it becomes even more debatable in the future, then let a mod make thread for it. Not saying that everyone didn't have respective good points to make for either argument, but this is ultimately not the place for it, ne?

[Revolutionist]

Well, I must admit up until this episode the series really hadn't caught my attention. However, after seeing this one it blew me away :D The way Teresa went down was unexpected, but sorta cool and sad at the same time lol.

Good back story though cause now we know Clare's reason for becoming a Claymore and this all will lead to a showdown with Priscilla (HOPEFULLY).

[Key Board]

I'd say she is as sexually abused as Guts from Berserk is