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Nerd Saga
2003-11-07, 21:11
I was just contemplating bloodlines and special jitsus. And I thought.... Who would win in a fight between Neji & Haku. Both have pretty powerful bloodlines & special abilities b/c of that blood line.
In my opinion i would assume that it'd be neji since his bakugyn (seriously misspelled) would be able to see 360 degrees and thus be able to catch onto Haku's movements, plus taking into consideration his other abilities which i won't say b/c i haven't used spoiler tags before.
But what do you you all think?
(i'm not new to this forum, just my first time posting)
(if this thread has already been discuss, i'm sorry, i did do a search for it prior to posting)
bluerose
2003-11-07, 21:30
I'd say Haku because i don't think neji could stand a chance in the ice mirror thingy that naruto and sasuke were trapped in. Although i don't know the full extent of neji's abilities since i've never read the manga... Plus i might just be biased cuz i like haku better.
diabolistic
2003-11-07, 21:32
Neji would use his ultimate defense and counter if he was caught in the demonic ice mirrors. Not only would he see Haku coming, he would be able to block any and all attacks.
Then, its all a matter of slowly closing Haku's chakra points; a couple of hits is all thats needed.
not really sure...but it could be Neji...we know about Neji and his abilities after the battle between Naruto-sasuke vs. Haku concluded and we found out Neji would have been much tougher with his already gained abilites against Haku..But Neji could be in trouble if those ice-beams of Haku traps him for Haku gains incredible agility, then again we dont know about Neji's true potential...
7hour.4mdy!
2003-11-07, 22:02
i think haku kick neji ass =) no way for him haku is too fast and mirror skill is no match for neji
hard to say. Naruto had to go into red chakra mode to defeat haku but like all neji discussions it comes down to close combat. very few can compete with him in close combat because of he can close chakra points. Half the fight is strategy, if neji calculates properly he could defeat haku and vice versa because he wouldn't stand a chance in that mirror thing
Alfzilla
2003-11-07, 22:15
You all have to remember that Naruto and Saskue were allot weaker then, no where near what they are now and given the chance now Naruto, Sasuke, and Neji could win over Haku alone. (assuming haku dident get stronger himself during this time that is)
Dragon Flame
2003-11-07, 22:18
this has been discussed before, Neji wouldnt stand a chance, you guys dont seem to get the fact that Haku is a jounin, he was a hunter-nin, no Genin, besides Kabuto, could possibly kill a hunter-nin, Neji doesnt stand a chance against Haku, especially if Haku were to fight seriously.. he didnt even try against Naruto and Sasuke
Alfzilla
2003-11-07, 22:25
How do you figure Haku was a jounin? and he was never a hunter nin he just had the mask to hide who he really was. Sasuke was even standing up to him pretty good until Haku busted out with the mirrors and if it wasn’t for Narutos stupidity jumping into the mirrors him and Sasuke would of probably gotten out allot faster.
this has been discussed before, Neji wouldnt stand a chance, you guys dont seem to get the fact that Haku is a jounin, he was a hunter-nin, no Genin, besides Kabuto, could possibly kill a hunter-nin, Neji doesnt stand a chance against Haku, especially if Haku were to fight seriously.. he didnt even try against Naruto and Sasuke
Are you telling us that none of the Genins (including Gaara) would be able to defeat a Jounin. ?
I do not underestimate Haku, but I dont think that it comes down to just titles.
TheGrinch
2003-11-07, 22:51
I think Haku would beat Neji even thoguh Neji has some defense because Neji would eventually run out of chakra and Haku would have plenty left. Haku wasnt even trying agaisnt Sasuke or Naruto, he was using some therapeudic needles...
I think Haku was possibly stronger than Zabuza, but he hid his powers...iono
Well, I also agree that Haku would win against Neji. But Haku isn't that strong, he's on Chuuni level. Zabuza could beat him easily. Any Jounin can beat him. See the 1st Naruto Special Book, you'll see Haku wasn't that special.
-|(aGe-BuNsHiN-
2003-11-08, 01:07
Haku really is a hunter nin because if you habnt noticed, i read a sub somewhere where it says "for old times sake" or somethin like that by Haku.
Ok so those non-believers, Haku wasnt trying against sasuke and naruto. He was trying hard NOT to kill them. Remember that.
Napoleon
2003-11-08, 01:36
I think there is no way in hell Neji could beat Haku. If you watch episode 15, Zabuza made it obviously clear that Haku is stronger than he is. He specifically said to Kakashi that "Even if you defeat me, you can't win against Haku." He also states that he had taught Haku every thing he knew and then Haku further improved on his own.
Just look at it this way, Zabuza is supposedly one of the strongest Jounin in the entire Mist village. There is no way, somebody that strong will really on another person so heavily to fulfill his dreams and call him the ultimate tool if Haku didn't have massive potential. For a Jounin at that level he should be able to judge other people and his own strength pretty well, so after being exiled he had enough hope in Haku's abilities in order to have them return one day.
TheGrinch
2003-11-08, 01:50
I think there is no way in hell Neji could beat Haku. If you watch episode 15, Zabuza made it obviously clear that Haku is stronger than he is. He specifically said to Kakashi that "Even if you defeat me, you can't win against Haku." He also states that he had taught Haku every thing he knew and then Haku further improved on his own.
Just look at it this way, Zabuza is supposedly one of the strongest Jounin in the entire Mist village. There is no way, somebody that strong will really on another person so heavily to fulfill his dreams and call him the ultimate tool if Haku didn't have massive potential. For a Jounin at that level he should be able to judge other people and his own strength pretty well, so after being exiled he had enough hope in Haku's abilities in order to have them return one day.
I agree with Napoleon, Zabuza did mention that Haku was stronger. All Sasuke could do was put a little fire on his clothes. It took the Kyuubi Naruto to beat him. (Kakashi as well) And we all know how strong Kyuubi is
Lst2touchdasky
2003-11-08, 01:55
Neji would definately lose, even if he can see 360, all he will see is alot of Hakus, his ability isnt genjitsu its just reflections of himself. It took sasuke a very long while to even notice haku's kind hearted movements. If you bring a guy back from his grave to fight some one, he probally would be as nice as he was when he was alive so he would have a killer intent and kill neji in seconds. Also arent all Neji's attacks physical, the most he could do is shatter a glass or 2
Gabriel710
2003-11-08, 03:41
Well before I thought Haku would ahnialate Neji. Now that I think about it I say Neji would win. Neji was able to keep up with a Kyubi Naruto(yes I know the berserk Kyubi Naruto was most likely stronger). I think the only way Haku could win if he traps Neji with the mirrors. Cuz if he doesnt Neji would own his ass with the Hyuga style and the 64 hands of hake. If Neji do get caught in the mirrors I still think he has a chance cuz he could just stand next to a mirror and do Kaiten and he could escape it. Hmm I wonder if his Kaiten is big enough to take down all the Mirrors probaly not though.
Kamui4356
2003-11-08, 05:07
Tough question, but I'd have to say Haku would win. Haku was beating both Sasuke and Naruto together. Naruto only won because the kyubi didn't just give him some chakara, it took control. Also Haku stopped to let Naruto kill him. He still had enough speed and strength to block Kakashi's chidori and save Zabuza. Neji's defense would protect him for a while, but it uses a lot of chakara. I don't think he can keep it up as long as Haku can keep up his ice mirrors. Neji's only chance is if he seals Haku's chakara points before he does any high level jutsu. Taijutsu isn't Haku's strength, he's more of a ninjutsu specialist.
Pervert Sennin
2003-11-08, 07:58
i think that Haku wins, because he has the Mirror wall or something like that, but as Neji use the 64 points thing or something like that, then could Neji win :twitch:
Haku will easly winn over neji, 1. Haku is on a higher lvl and 2. neji could never keep upp with haku's speed.
Buyakan would help, if youre thinkin that Saskue saw haku's movements, Sharinga, buyakan doesnt work on the same way.
Winner Haku
Esperchld
2003-11-08, 09:26
Neji's Buyakan would be useless in this fight. The most he could do is see chakra points for Haku who is bouncing from mirror to mirror looking like he is in all of them. You assume that once the demon mirrors is started that he is only going to attack with the pins? What is to stop him from attacking with the water on the ground (remember he can form ice to his will), or doing any kind of jutsu. Neji really has no chance once that thing is started. No one really does (well except for Naruto in Kyubi mode. Gaara would be slaughtered, his sand can't keep up with Rock Lee's 5th gate, and Haku is atleast as fast as that in the ice mirrors if not faster. I don't know, maybe a Sharingran user would stand a chance if they were ALLOWED to be in there long enough.
I think Haku would win this one pretty easily. He has much more experiance than any chunnin, was a hunter nin, and is one of the fastest if not the fastest characters we have ever seen.
I don't think that Neji can win against Haku.
Sasuke was able to 'see' haku's movement because the sharingan allow him to guess them and Neji can't do that even if he can see the chakra too.
In fact it's pretty simple, if Haku's speed outclass Neji's reflex, Neji can't win and it's most likely the case, Haku moved litteraly in a glanze.
But if Neji can see an attack and use the Kaiten, the fight is over, Haku wasn't the tough one.
Lee-pimp
2003-11-08, 14:44
there is no way that neji could beat haku unless haku didnt use ice mirriors
diabolistic
2003-11-08, 14:57
Neji's byakugan, although it doesn't allow for him to predict the opponents moves, still give's neji a clear advantage, especially when trapped inside the demon ice mirrors. Think about it, the advantage of the demonic ice mirrors is
1) Its a genjutsu that makes the opponent think that you are everywhere
2) It attacks from all sides and angles
Neji can easily counter this by using what HE's good at:
First step, release chakra, ward off needles.
Second Step, wait until Haku comes to attack, and use Kaiten to blast him back.
Of course, there will be those that argue Haku is simply too fast for Neji to keep track of, but again, i disagree. Remember, Kyubi-Naruto was much faster than Haku, but during the Neji/Naruto fight
We clearly see that Neji can match Kyubi-Naruto's speed and movements
So what does this mean?
-Neji can see 360 attacks that Haku performs during the demonic ice mirrors
-Neji has an effective physical defense to Haku's close combat within the demonic ice mirrors AND Neji can also slowly close off chakra points.
-Neji has the speed to keep up with Haku
Actually, by "trapping" Neji within the Ice Mirrors, Haku probably made it harder for himself to win. After all, Kaiten Heavenly Spin deflects and counters all attacks. For Haku to limit himself to a small area where Neji's spin can do damage is a disadvantage to Haku.
Testament
2003-11-08, 17:39
Hmm.. even with all the abilities in Haku's arsenal you have to keep climate in mind. If it werent for all that water then Saskue and Naruto might have won. So it's safe to say that if Haku and Neji were fighting in a dry place. Neji would definitely win.
Neji's byakugan, although it doesn't allow for him to predict the opponents moves, still give's neji a clear advantage, especially when trapped inside the demon ice mirrors. Think about it, the advantage of the demonic ice mirrors is
1) Its a genjutsu that makes the opponent think that you are everywhere
2) It attacks from all sides and angles
It's not a genjutsu, it's a ninjutsu, you can be everywhere and attacks from all sides and angles in the same time for real.
Neji can easily counter this by using what HE's good at:
First step, release chakra, ward off needles.
Second Step, wait until Haku comes to attack, and use Kaiten to blast him back.
Haku can lauch countless waves of needles, Neji can't use the kaiten that many time.
Of course, there will be those that argue Haku is simply too fast for Neji to keep track of, but again, i disagree. Remember, Kyubi-Naruto was much faster than Haku, but during the Neji/Naruto fight
We clearly see that Neji can match Kyubi-Naruto's speed and movements
And I don't think that Naruto was faster than Haku, when he moved between the mirror, Haku moved litteraly in a glanze.
diabolistic
2003-11-08, 21:20
It's not a genjutsu, it's a ninjutsu, you can be everywhere and attacks from all sides and angles in the same time for real.
Ok.. even if it is a ninjutsu, Neji's ultimate defense still blocks all attacks.
Haku can lauch countless waves of needles, Neji can't use the kaiten that many time.
I'm not so sure about this. It would probably require a lot more chakra for Haku to keep up the teleporting mirror speed than for neji to expel chakra for the instant that the needles connect.
And I don't think that Naruto was faster than Haku, when he moved between the mirror, Haku moved litteraly in a glanze.
Well, if that were true, than it would've been impossible for Naruto to grab Haku...
I don't remember Zabuza saying Haku was stronger than him. Didn't he say Haku was able to become much stronger? And Haku really had a chance of beating Zabuza, since he can control water, and Zabuza uses water. Anyways, Zabuza was in fact stronger than Haku. It's on the 1st Naruto Special Book, he had the same level as Kakashi. Put Haku against Kakashi, he wouldn't stand a chance.
Ok.. even if it is a ninjutsu, Neji's ultimate defense still blocks all attacks.
Indeed, it was just a little correction ;)
I'm not so sure about this. It would probably require a lot more chakra for Haku to keep up the teleporting mirror speed than for neji to expel chakra for the instant that the needles connect.
Hmm maybe, but I don' t think so.
Well, if that were true, than it would've been impossible for Naruto to grab Haku...
Not really, Naruto caught Haku while he tried to return in the mirroirs, not during a displacement between 2 of them.
But like I said in my first post, it's just a question of speed, if you thibk that Neji can react he's the winner, he you don't think so he will lose.
diabolistic
2003-11-08, 22:00
aye aye, cap'n!
:D
Well, now that I read the chapter 192, I think that it's possible that Neji can mess up the chakra of the mirrors and break them with his gentle touch :love:
NenMaster
2003-11-09, 12:29
ok u think haku will be using JUST pins if they were fighting? i dont think so.
ok u think haku will be using JUST pins if they were fighting? i dont think so.
Well first yes Haku will just use needles because he hadn't any other weapon.
But anyway he could have some swords, axes and one or two grenades, that doesn't change anything against the Kaiten.
The only advantage of Haku is his speed.
Napoleon
2003-11-09, 13:59
Well first yes Haku will just use needles because he hadn't any other weapon.
But anyway he could have some swords, axes and one or two grenades, that doesn't change anything against the Kaiten.
The only advantage of Haku is his speed.
I don't know about that one. Haku could just use the water explosion technique on Neji. Not even the Kaiten could save Neji from the huge flood of water. And if Haku is smart, he can use his ice spells to that that water ice cold, that shock alone will drown Neji.
I don't know about that one. Haku could just use the water explosion technique on Neji. Not even the Kaiten could save Neji from the huge flood of water.
What?
The water explosion is a jutsu of Zabuza, not one of Haku, he can't did it.
And if Haku is smart, he can use his ice spells to that that water ice cold, that shock alone will drown Neji.
lol seriously, stop trying to invent new jutsu, Even if Haku could do that (and it's not sure), he didn't think of doing it against Sasuke and Naruto, no reason that he think about that against Neji.
Dragon Flame
2003-11-09, 14:55
Zabuza taught Haku everything he knew, so its safe to say Haku knows all his jutsu, not to mention, Haku can control water and ice, remember how he killed his father? implaed him on a giant ice spike he made
Moon The Cat
2003-11-09, 15:14
I think Neji would win.
With what we have seen of Neji in the anime so far, Haku should be able to beat Neji. Neji has not shown the speed or skill required to defeat Haku if he is trapped in Haku's ice mirrors.
However, with the spoilers I have read from the manga, it seems that Neji would win. With his Jutsu to deflect the needles, he can use byukagan (horrible spelling, I know) and his ability to view 360dg. and attack haku. However if haku is able to use some of zabuza's jutsus like the water explosion technique, Neji wouldn't stand much of a chance. It's a very difficult decision as I see it.
NenMaster
2003-11-09, 16:54
haku didnt want 2 kill sasuke and naruto so he JUST used pins. haku was able 2 knock out zabuza with 1 pin, he "could" do that with neji. then cut him up and eat his heart :) j/k
Can Neji deal with Haku's speed? Well, how fast is he compared to Lee? If he's roughly on par with Lee at his full speed, than Neji can keep up (note Neji's failure to react to Lee's speed in the Gaara fight, only when he released the heavenly gates did Neji show a reaction).
Can Neji do anything about the ice mirrors? Yes, easily -- and I'm suprised so few on this board realizes this. Sauske was able to see through the movements with his newly awakened Sharingan, and Bakyugan is actually superior in terms of detection and insight. In the manga, we see Neji is able to percieve extremely fine details about everything around him. He can also see chackra flows. And we just saw in ch.192 that he can destroy objects made out of chakra very easily by just injecting his own into them. So Neji could destroy the mirrors easily.
So Neji can coutner all of Haku's techniques, but Haku has nothing except speed to counter Neji. Is Haku fast enough? Probably not. All Neji has to do is hit the 64 hands of hake and the fight is over -- only freaks like Naruto or Gaara can coutner the the 64 hands because they can get chakra from an external source.
And guys -- power creep is alive and well in this series. Last year's jounins are like child's toys compared to this year's chunins. Lame, but that's Naruto for you.
all good points. it all comes down to strategy. Winning a fight is learning how to effectively use your jutsu. When haku fought sasuke and naruto he was clearly outstrategyzing them. The difference between his level and their level was huge. Naruto has done this many times in fights where he was clearly outmatched. Against kiba, gaara, neji, kabuto etc. As for sasuke I he hasn't learned how to fight well. he rushes into fights with little thought (gaara, itachi etc). Neji is also good at strategy but he was outsmarted by you know who. Haku would win just because he has more experience (and no.. he won't use the ice mirrors in the desert. I'm sure he has other jutsus too)
However, the 64 Hands of Hake is a technique that no human being can counter -- you can only avoid it. It is a genius-level taijutsu that only high-level memerbs of the Hyuga clan can use -- Neji managed to develop it on his own because he such a genius.
So is Haku a human being? Yes. Can he avoid it? Maybe.
However, against someone like Itachi, even genius taijutsu is trumped by supernatural mind-bending techniques. It's just that, compared to today's high-level fighters, yesterday's are weak.
Dragon Flame
2003-11-09, 18:40
u forget Haku is a genius too, Haku is compareable to Itachi, think of Haku as a young Itachi, cuz thast exactly what he is, a younger version of Itachi, without Sharingan, but with water and ice controlling powers
Napoleon
2003-11-09, 19:18
u forget Haku is a genius too, Haku is compareable to Itachi, think of Haku as a young Itachi, cuz thast exactly what he is, a younger version of Itachi, without Sharingan, but with water and ice controlling powers
I completely agree, Haku is an uber genius. Even from a very young age, being taught nothing of the very basics of ninjutsu was able to kill his father with that gigantic ice spike. Even when has was taken in by Zabuza, he was able to delelope his unique gifts with having anyone to compare it with. Unlike Neji or Sasuke at least they were able to look upon family members with simular skills and work off that, Haku probably really had no one with the same kinds to skills and at least for him it is completely uncharted territory
P1RO N1NJ4
2003-11-09, 19:22
I thinks Haku was a better ninja partly because he doesn't have all the emotional baggage that Neji has. Hell he killed his own father for crying out loud. But unfortunately he had a problem with wanting to please Zabuza.
Stickels
2003-11-09, 20:19
easy question
haku is dead, beating a dead body is easy.
easy question
haku is dead, beating a dead body is easy.
I don't think that the 3rd will agree with you :D
NenMaster
2003-11-09, 21:51
I don't think that the 3rd will agree with you :D
hahaha :heh:
Mr. Bushido
2003-11-09, 23:36
srry i havent read the ENTIRE thread since this was discussed before in the previous forum, but after i read the latest chapter of naruto, and reading some of what u said i'll leave a comment
Haku is a gennin level, no way he's a jounin. He just had the mask thats it, he wasnt a hunter nin. Zabuza is stronger than Haku, so is Kakashi. They both have enough power to break out of the mirrors
Neji is not slow, he can probably match Haku's speed. examples of his speed are: his 64 hands (that was fast), he wasnt surprised by Lee's speed till he used primary lotus, he closed up all of hinata's chakra points except one with NONE of the jounins and including the hokage noticing. (the last one was made ovbious to show hinata)
Neji's jyuken is Haku's weakness. If u read chapter 192, ull remember that all jutsu is done by chakra, no matter how long it left the body, and if these objects have chakra in them Neji can break them. The ice mirrors can be broken when neji simply disrupts the chakra in them.
tat is all
Moon The Cat
2003-11-10, 01:37
I don't think that the 3rd will agree with you :D
Counter from Hunter! KO!
I still think Neji is the winner.
Haku is not THAT fast. And even if he is smart, Neji is not stupid either.
Dragon Flame
2003-11-10, 05:12
Zoro, you obviously weren't paying attention when Zabuza admitted that Haku was stronger than him, but i guess that Zabuza was wrong and you're right, right Zoro?
Zoro, you obviously weren't paying attention when Zabuza admitted that Haku was stronger than him, but i guess that Zabuza was wrong and you're right, right Zoro?
Well actually, Kishimoto say in the special fan book (or the special character book I forgot) that Zabuza was stronger than Haku.
Zoro, you obviously weren't paying attention when Zabuza admitted that Haku was stronger than him, but i guess that Zabuza was wrong and you're right, right Zoro?
Where did Zabuza said that, Dragon-san?
All I remember he saying was that:
1. Kakashi could beat Zabuza, but he couldn't beat Haku. Of course Zabuza was understimating Kakashi, he tought Kakashi wouldn't be able to stop Haku's jutsu. Kakashi could pretty much beat Haku.
2. Haku's jutsu is much better than Zabuza's. Of course it is, since Haku has an advanced bloodline.
Just see in the Naruto 1st Special Book, Zabuza was stronger than Haku. Zabuza was at Kakashi's level. Haku had the same strenght as Gekkou Hayate. Anyways, he's dead now, why keep discussing about him? :heh:
Mr. Bushido
2003-11-10, 12:51
who wasnt paying attention? maybe u just mis-read (that a word?)
But anyway Haku was at Gekkou Hayate level, a special jounin and stronger than Neji ;)
Dragon Flame
2003-11-10, 12:55
i dont remember what episode, but Zabuza says, in the TW sub that i have, something like this he says.. (lol) "I taught haku everything i knew and he got better with his own jutsu"
Mr. Bushido
2003-11-10, 13:07
in the end he died by naruto. doesnt matter wat state he was in, he lost.
does it really say in the book tat Haku was Hayate's level?
If u read chapter 192, ull remember that all jutsu is done by chakra, no matter how long it left the body, and if these objects have chakra in them Neji can break them. The ice mirrors can be broken when neji simply disrupts the chakra in them.
which begs the question, why couldn't he break out of the earth coffin?
Napoleon
2003-11-10, 14:14
Well actually, Kishimoto say in the special fan book (or the special character book I forgot) that Zabuza was stronger than Haku.
Really? hmm...I mostly based my opinion on the anime. All this stuff that Zabuza said could be found in episode 15.
Stickels
2003-11-10, 14:52
Haku would win, if he weren't dead.
Neji's fighting style is teh shitty.
in the end he died by naruto. doesnt matter wat state he was in, he lost.
does it really say in the book tat Haku was Hayate's level?
I'm not sure who "he" is but naruto didn't kill haku. Kakashi did
in the end he died by naruto. doesnt matter wat state he was in, he lost.
does it really say in the book tat Haku was Hayate's level?
No, but if you compare their strenght, you'll see they're almost the same.
Just let it go, he's dead. You'll never know for sure unless they have some kind of raise the dead jutsu :)
Haku is mad fast and his special mirrors and the move he used against his father(glacial spikes that destroyed the house) could be used in so many different ways. (Haku made the ice mirrors it was his own move. Neji wouldnt be able to counter so many moves of Haku because Haku is albe to change the way he uses the ice. Thus, Haku would kill Neji.
Stickels
2003-11-11, 00:28
and then, when Neji tried to hit Haku, Haku would grab his fingers, and bend them, and make Neji beg like a little girl.
7hour.4mdy!
2003-11-11, 00:31
dunno , neji can antecipate hakus attacks and counter attack him back , this is could be great but we cant surely tell who gonna win
einjuru333
2008-01-31, 01:19
guys! all of you are forgetting about neji's blind spot[
after that all haku would have to do, is find it ( which wouldn't be hard since haku is/was a smart guy.
so yeah neji would DEFINATLY DIE >)
Spectacular_Insanity
2008-01-31, 01:22
Well, maybe if Neji got smart and actually turned around in order to cover his blind spot, he might be able to win. He relies on his Kaiten too much, and enemies will eventually be able to see through it, like that one ninja of the Sound Four.
However, Haku moves near-lightspeed, and even Neji probably wouldn't be able to keep up.
The one advantage I think Neji would have is that kaiten would, more or less, negate the effects and abilities of Haku's ultimate technique. Since he has the ability to attack/defend 360 degrees, I'd think he'd have the slight upper hand there, regardless of how fast Haku moves. That plus, I'd be willing to believe that, with a kaiten big enough, he could destroy all of those mirrors.
remind me why are we responding to ancient threads? and the obvious answer is Haku. :frustrated:
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